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White Sox with #1 pick in 2026 Amateur draft. Let's hope they choose well!
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Agree with that Blackie
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I wasn't a fan of trading Crochet (you should keep - and pay - good young pitchers), but I do like the return. As you said, some very intriguing prospects. But it makes me wonder how Getz was willing to take a bunch of schmoes for Cease.
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I do like the return we got for Crochet. Real good LH hitting young catcher, a really good OF, an infielder who just gets on base and a young strong arm. IMHO I think the OF will be a stud. Was expected to be a top 3 pick this past draft, hurt his leg midseason and dropped to the Red Sox in the 12th slot. Switch hitter with power.
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Unbelievable.
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Well, pretty sure they did not get the Fedde deal right.
Cue Yakkity Sax... (Yakkity Sox?)
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Well said Blackie, I agree on all that.
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I think it would be a big mistake to trade Crochet. They probably talked about future contract expectations and it was over the Reinsdorfian line, so they have to dump him.
I also think maybe they should keep Fedde and Robert, but if do trade these guys, they better get it right.
Can't think of another non-rookie on the team who I would be bummed about them trading away.
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I would keep him
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It's early, but should the Sox trade Crochet for "can't miss" prospects at the trade deadline or is he someone they can build a pitching staff around?
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I approve of everything Loveland previously said. Including all that wilderness stuff….
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I get wanting to improve the defense, but it is really up the middle that needs improving. Outside of Robert, it has been putrid.
We can have light-bat players at @2B, SS and C, but it only works if the guys at the other positions are carrying bats that are average or better at their positions.
Moncada = Fail
Vaughn = Slightly Below Avg/Avg
Benintendi = Below Avg
Robert = Above Avg
RF = Fail
DH = Avg
Vaughn has to improve. He's been Greg Walker good. i.e. - good, but not good enough for position.
Eloy needs to stay healthy and produce.
If those 2 things happen, we still have 3B and RF holes to fill.
Benintendi is what he is. They knew what he was when they gave him 75 mil, he produced exactly what you can expect.
Assuming they trade Cease, someone has to take the bump every 5th day.
That group will likely include some rotation of Mike Soroka, Michael Kopech, Garrett Crochet, Erick Fedde and the winner of Prospect Survivor.
That is a lot of lightning to try and catch in one bottle.
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We have been in the defensive wilderness fo soooo long.
Ha, fo shizz
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i complained mightily about Getz but since he appears to be all about gloves right now I approve, until I don’t. We have been in the defensive wilderness fo soooo long.
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If Soroka even moderately returns to form, it is a win. SP > RP. Reminds me of Karchner/Garland a little.
Lopez is an upgrade from Leury last year.
I'm interested in the 2B. Shewmake is a lottery ticket. He should be given every opportunity to win the job. Get him ABs.
Montgomery is going to end up at 3B long term. Our 1st round pick this year should end up at SS.
I like what Getz did with this trade. Bummer wasn't going to help us.
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We did not get much. Soroka maybe, but why would Braves give up on him for Bummer? Lopez can play D and will be a good player for us, but he cannot hit much. The rest is meh
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The type of trade this team should be making at this point.
Sell off high-cost players who are going to underperform and take a bunch of players with various upside. Guys like Soroka are the types of players this team is going to want to get for 2024... formerly high-ceiling guys who are bounceback candidates to be flipped later.
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Hmmmmm. I came here to get feedback on the trade, which is generally high. I just wanted the opinions of this peer group. Crickets!
Please opine away.
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As long as they are taking Grandal in return, I'm good with it.
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Mets are shopping McCann -
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I love almost any glove move. Bonus that he is a lefty.
It seems like our long Sox Nation Nightmare may be over. I’ll never understand the idea of throwing anyone in RF/LF. That was not the TLR we remembered. What happened?
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Nice that they actually addressed the OF need with a quality player... now go get another one. And a 2Bman.
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Benintendi! Method's guy...
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Elvis might be here right in time, he terrorizes Cleveland pitching.
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Sox to sign Elvis Andrus as a stopgap for TA.
Fun fact: Elvis Andrus' birthday (8/26) is also Elvis Night at Sox Park.
Expect Andrus to be benched for that game somehow.
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Hah!Suckers.
Thanks Joey - I enjoyed that.
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For Loveland:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/pirates-trade-rumors-jose-quintana.html
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McGuire got caught doing a naughty a few years back in a parking lot.
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Great move.
Huge upgrade behind the plate (even if just as a primary backup). Great pitch framer with a good arm.
Only downside is that McGuire doesn't have options available, but at least on the Sox that's not an issue.
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Sox acquire catcher Reese McGuire from Toronto in exchange for catcher Zack Collins
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/04/white-sox-trade-zack-collins-to-blue-jays-for-reese-mcguire.html
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Or rather, we no longer have an “option” in RF for the first time in years.
We have a RFer.
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Yep - finally a decent RFer.
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I think so
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Pollock is huge upgrade in right
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Surprised they got someone halfway decent for Kimbrel without eating any money. Works for me.
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Yep
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Kimbrel for Pollock. Great trade
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Yep, not like we gave up anything
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Not going to slam him Bill?
I actually like the trade. Worth the gamble. Often see guys like Haseley stumble badly for some reason. Change can be revitalizing esp. if we have good batting coaching.
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Depth
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Not going to slam him Bill?
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33622377/chicago-white-sox-acquire-adam-haseley-trade-philadelphia-phillies
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Vince Velasquez for 1 year / $3MM
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I got bupkis. But it seems they are trying hard for a starting pitcher.
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Blackie, any smoke around the campfire? Kelly and Harrison were solid but we need more
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Okay. The Holidays are over. is Spring training going to happen this year? Baseball Needs to Happen. Get er Done you IDIOTS!!!
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Segura?
Yeah. That makes sense.
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I want Ketel Marte.
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That's a possibility.
Basically a wash, salary-wise ($14.25MM salary for Segura)
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Segura?
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Yeah, I've heard that the Phillies are looking to acquire Kimbrel, but they also have just as strong of a need for outfield help.
No way they're trading Harper unless they're desperate to dump salary.
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I go to many places for Sox info, that rumor has not even shown up on any of the others. I think it is BS
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Btw, who is floating?
My son asked me if I had heard it. So naturally I came here to ask for thoughts because it would be such a fit. It does appear that the Phillies would like Kimbrel, lots of valid source info on that….
But I am not finding anything pointing to them also wanting or needing to dump Harper’s contract.
I think there may be something to the Kimbrel to the Phillies part.
Yeah, I think that there would be a riot in Philly if they dared trade Harper. I again scanned the Phillies system and don't see anything that would immediately help the White Sox. They have McCutchen but he's a left fielder and the Sox have enough of those guys. My guess is that if the Sox are talking about Kimbrel to the Phils it is for minor league prospect or two.
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Btw, who is floating?
My son asked me if I had heard it. So naturally I came here to ask for thoughts because it would be such a fit. It does appear that the Phillies would like Kimbrel, lots of valid source info on that….
But I am not finding anything pointing to them also wanting or needing to dump Harper’s contract.
I think there may be something to the Kimbrel to the Phillies part.
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Moncada, Vaughn, and Cespedes?
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Btw, who is floating?
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Harper would be huge
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Burger, Micker, Sheets.
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I also wouldn’t think it would be enough, and would expect another player be thrown in. I was just curious if anyone thinks this trial balloon has any truth behind it. Mostly because I agree it would be a really good fit.
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Someone is floating Harper for Kimbrel and Vaughn.
I think it will take more than Vaughn and Kimbrel. Maybe Moncada and Kimbrel unless this is strictly a salary dump of Harper which I doubt. They could also want either Kopech or Crochet. The Sox do have young assets to obtain Harper and the Phillies are weak at 3rd base, 1B, and with the DH coming into play in the NL next year in all probability, the Sox are strong in those 3 positions.
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Harper would be a perfect fit for the White Sox. He's in his prime. A great left handed bat as well as a good right fielder.
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Bryce Harper would have to waive the full no-trade provision in his contract to move to another team.
Bryce Harper rf
13 years/$330M (2019-31)
13 years/$330M (2019-31)
signed by Philadelphia as a free agent 2/28/19
$20M signing bonus paid in two equal installments, 6/1 and 11/1/19
19:$10M, 20-28:$26M, 29-31:$22M
full no-trade protection
award bonuses:
$500,000 for MVP ($50,000 for second place, $25,000 for third)
$100,000 for WS MVP
$50,000 each for All Star, Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, LCS MVP
perks: hotel suite on road, right to purchase suite for home games
at signing, most lucrative contract in MLB history
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I'd do Kimbrel and Vaughn for Harper in a nanosecond :D :D
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Someone is floating Harper for Kimbrel and Vaughn.
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Yep. Really good signing. Go get Ketel Marte and a starter
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/white-sox-sign-kendall-graveman.html
Sox nearing a deal with Kendall Graveman for 3 years / $24M.
Converted to a full-time reliever with Seattle for the first time in 2021, it looks like he'll be good for an ERA in the low- to mid-3's.
I really like Graveman as a relief pitcher. Really good control and a good strike-out and ground ball rate. This also pretty well insures that Kimbrel will be traded.
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https://www.fangraphs.com/players/kendall-graveman/15514/stats?position=P#pitch-type
Primarily a Sinker - Slider combo. Looks like dropping the Changeup and Cutter from his arsenal and going to basically a 2-pitch repertoire did him good in 2021.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/white-sox-sign-kendall-graveman.html
Sox nearing a deal with Kendall Graveman for 3 years / $24M.
Converted to a full-time reliever with Seattle for the first time in 2021, it looks like he'll be good for an ERA in the low- to mid-3's.
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No. Trade will involve young talent
I think that they absolutely need a good two way player for right field and an experienced front end guy in their starting rotation. They also need a catcher who can handle a lot of the catching job because Grandal is not the defensive answer at the position over a long season. Good teams have shown in the play-offs the need of a good reliable catcher behind the plate and we are fooling ourselves in thinking that Grandal is that guy nor anyone else in their organization.
I guess what I am saying Shoeless is that now is the time for this team and organization to get serious about winning a championship. They are so damned close to it as far as I am concerned and I really do not want some half measures and guys on the bottom leg of their careers and unproven young players who they HOPE will produce. Its time for them to step up and go for it.
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No. Trade will involve young talent
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Think one big trade, one big FA signing
Could be. A right Fielder and a Starting Pitcher. I think that they have enough 2nd base prospects to satisfy their needs there. I will also guess is that they will wait until spring training to find a good defensive catcher to share time with Grandal. Do you think that the major trade will involve Kimbrel?
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Think one big trade, one big FA signing
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I think that the White Sox are going to make trades in their quest for improving their team and not go the free agent route. I think that there will be a couple of major deals that will occur. I still, though, would like for them to sign Starling Marte as a free agent, though.
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Verlander to Stros for $50 mil. Jfc. Absurd
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/justin-verlander-rumors-east-coast-yankees-red-sox-blue-jays-tigers.html
Verlander would be an excellent addition. IF they sign him and re-sign Rodon, that would be the best starting rotation in baseball. Now get Starling Marte in right field and a good defensive catcher(how about getting McCann back?), and this team would be awesome.
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I think it irks the hitters also, and that’s why he does it.
Heh, I can totally see that. You step up to the plate, only to see the pitcher acting like Bela Lugosi. It would be funny to see more pitchers "emote" on the mound. Maybe a Python-esque "Silly Wind Up".
With all of the crap going on right now regarding rule changes like eliminating the shift, the man on second rule for extra innings,etc. I personally would like for the league to eliminate the multiple delays in the step forward **** that pitchers use to throw off the hitters timing. I also question how much crap the pitchers go through in changing their glove mechanics prior to going forward Personally, I think that it should be called a balk because they really don't come to a set position with runners on base when they do this ****.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/justin-verlander-rumors-east-coast-yankees-red-sox-blue-jays-tigers.html
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heh
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I think it irks the hitters also, and that’s why he does it.
Heh, I can totally see that. You step up to the plate, only to see the pitcher acting like Bela Lugosi. It would be funny to see more pitchers "emote" on the mound. Maybe a Python-esque "Silly Wind Up".
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Quite the shocking move! At first blush, I don't hate it. But I do hate watching the weird thing Kimbel does before the throws.
Nicky is a nice hitter, but his defense and base running were meh.
Blackie, that’s the infamous Rod Beck windup. Man, was he hard to watch. Kimbrel doesn’t do it all the time, but I think it irks the hitters also, and that’s why he does it. Kimbrel has been really really good this year, everything always translates into stats, but his demeanor is all there too. I hope he helps you. I like him, but no sense having an elite closer with no games to close.
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But I do hate watching the weird thing Kimbel does before the throws.
Ugh, so do I. But man, what a day. That was one trade I never expected the Sox to make.
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Hah! Your Sheets is in the line-up again. Plus Loveland was in attendance for his MLB debut.
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Hahn is GOD!
Welcome back!
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Hahn is GOD!
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....and César Hernández has a 2022 team option with no buyout.
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Oooh. Very glad we didn’t give up Chochet, I think he can be fixed. I liked Cody but he was not consistent.
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As someone said somewhere today (cannot recall), the speed and defense of Madrigal was not as advertised. Supposedly they have been looking to move him. I guess we almost gave up Crochet.
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Quite the shocking move! At first blush, I don't hate it. But I do hate watching the weird thing Kimbel does before the throws.
Nicky is a nice hitter, but his defense and base running were meh.
At first I did not like it. I am one of the few who really thought Madrigal would grow into a really good player. But 2B is a spot that you can fill as their are tons of them right now it seems like. I do like the guy we got from the Indians, err the Guardians. Maybe they plan on going after Story or Baez if they are FAs.
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I like Nicky but he's a throwback 2ndbaseman. Back to a time when they were contact singles hitter. Unless he becomes a consistent .330 hitter he doesn't supply enough power for this era of baseball to be a star.
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Plus he seems to get hurt every year. So far two for two.
Loveland used the quote feature! 😉
Holy hell.
Also, I too love the trade.
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Holy hell.
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Quite the shocking move! At first blush, I don't hate it. But I do hate watching the weird thing Kimbel does before the throws.
Nicky is a nice hitter, but his defense and base running were meh.
Plus he seems to get hurt every year. So far two for two.
Loveland used the quote feature! 😉
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Quite the shocking move! At first blush, I don't hate it. But I do hate watching the weird thing Kimbel does before the throws.
Nicky is a nice hitter, but his defense and base running were meh.
Hahn has massively improved team. Kudos
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Kimbrel trade is official. Statement from Rick Hahn:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7kMT9YXsAoaMlH?format=jpg&name=small)
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Quite the shocking move! At first blush, I don't hate it. But I do hate watching the weird thing Kimbel does before the throws.
Nicky is a nice hitter, but his defense and base running were meh.
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Bob Nightengale tweet:
The #Cubs will receive second baseman Nick Madrigal and pitcher Codi Heuer from the #WhiteSox for Craig Kimbrel.
https://twitter.com/BNightengale
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Ken Rosenthal tweet:
White Sox plan to give both Kimbrel and Hendriks save opportunities. With short season last year, they believe this move will help them protect both their starters and relievers. Also have option to retain Kimbrel next season for $16M.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1421174581189021698
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Jeff Passan tweet:
The Chicago White Sox are finalizing a deal to acquire closer Craig Kimbrel from the Chicago Cubs, sources tell ESPN.
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1421173569489362944
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Low-hanging headline:
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/needing-a-second-baseman-white-sox-hail-cesar-hernandez/
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(https://triblive.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2963520_web1_GTR-Bucs08-021920.jpg)
White Sox Sign Kyle Crick To Minor League Deal
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-sign-kyle-crick-to-minor-league-deal.html
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Is Hernandez really better than Leury?
Uh yeah. Bigly
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Absolutely. Big upgrade.
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Loveland has changed her mind!!! I agree with MSF.
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Tepera for Horn, any time you get a player for a kid who likely never makes the Sox it is a good trade.
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Good move. Gold glove at 2B, power. Switch hitter. Pilkington was no loss.
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Tepera received an MVP vote last year:
https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2020/11/13/cubs-ryan-tepera-mvp-vote-explanation
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Wow, we got Tepera for free.
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To make room for Tepera on the 40-man roster, the White Sox transferred right-hander Evan Marshall to the 60-day injured list.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1420819353210130436
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7fDGslWEAY_yHZ?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1420819350588624907
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Is Hernandez really better than Leury?
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To make room for Hernández on the 40-man roster, the White Sox released right-handed pitcher Tyler Johnson.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1420784249825812487
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It is official:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E7ei9kpXMAAKd3t?format=jpg&name=small)
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1420784247305129988
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Really??!! That’s our infield move? 231 .307 .431
Phhhhhhbbbbt
He had a slow start to his season but has come on strong. This month he's .268 / .337 / .562 with 6 HR and 17 RBI. An .899 OPS this month, just what the Sox offense needs right now and he's a switch hitter. He also was the AL Gold Glove winner at 2B last year.
Not a bad move especially if he only cost them Konnor Pilkington. Although I would have prefer trading someone already on the 40-man roster like Burdi.
Sure beats seeing Leury, Mendick or Yolmer in the lineup every day at 2B for the rest of this year.
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Plus glove, league-average bat. Gets the 2B slot in the lineup back up to "not a hole" status.
Giving up Pilkington to upgrade to "not a hole" kind of hurts, but that's the price of a contention window I suppose.
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Really??!! That’s our infield move? 231 .307 .431
Phhhhhhbbbbt
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(https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Large/Baseball/239033/239033-16233932Fr.jpg)
White Sox To Acquire Cesar Hernandez
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/indians-trade-cesar-hernandez-white-sox.html
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2021/07/29/white-sox-acquire-cesar-hernandez-from-cleveland/
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I doubt it happens. But no way they move Jimi to setup guy. Kimbrel would be one helluva 8th inning guy.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/latest-on-interest-in-cubs-trade-chips.html
Sox (White and Red) linked to Kimbrel, have also scouted Tepera.
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No way i let Cease start a playoff game
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I'm wondering, bullpen-wise, if they'll decide that moving Cease into a bullpen role for October will be enough of a reinforcement.
Not sure if I'd consider Cease or Keuchel the 5th starter at this point, but my feeling is that power arms adjust better to the bullpen.
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With Robert and Jimenez returning, I doubt they get an OFer.
Lots of teams need bullpen help, so that's probably a deadline day deal.
So I'll guess 2B is the first move.
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OK - 8 days until the deadline with hardly a peep....
Any predictions on the first (major league) trade the Sox pull off, if any?
Obvious options are:
1) Bullpen
2) 2B
3) RF
4) Catcher
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Grullon has been a highly rated defensive catcher and has hit 15-20 homers. Not hitting well for average this year, but typically has had a good bat. Had 2 hits in his debut last night with a homer and 4 RBIs
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-acquire-deivy-grullon.html
Deivy Grullon to Sox from TB for cash considerations.
Fallback backup backstop until Grandal is back.
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Eaton officially released.
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Atlanta traded OF Tyler Neslony to the Sox today. Not much but its a player I guess.
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https://tomahawktake.com/2021/07/11/atlanta-braves-picking-adam-eaton-white-sox/
Not sure why, but I’m seeing chatter (mostly from bloggers) about the Braves making a minor move for Eaton.
Would give the Sox some non-prospect most likely, but would maybe be something in return for Eaton.
I wouldn’t hold my breath, but worth watching over the next few days until his DFA period expires.
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The 1 trade every contender needs to make
https://www.mlb.com/news/most-glaring-trade-deadline-needs-for-each-contender
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Hahn: 'Impossible' to predict Deadline deals
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/rick-hahn-talks-white-sox-trade-deadline
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... or it's "fake news" put out by the D-Backs to Heyman to try and get the White Sox to up their trade offer and bid against themselves. Kind of like when a player agent claims "multiple teams" are interested in signing his client.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-trade-rumors-diamondbacks-eduardo-escobar.html
now multiple teams are bidding for Escobar.
Probably onto plan B....
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/report-white-sox-get-eduardo-escobar-diamondbacks-trade
Word is that the Sox have picked Escobar up.
No word on the return.
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Eduardo Escobar is not in the lineup today for the Diamondbacks. A source says he's expected to be traded. A few teams are interested in acquiring him. Destination unknown at this point.
https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/1409216991513219079
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false hope for a trade as McRae was removed from the 40-man roster to make room for Jace Fry's return from the 60-day IL. Fry optioned to Charlotte.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/white-sox-reinstate-jace-fry-outright-alex-mcrae.html
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A deal may be close to fruition as the White Sox just opened up a 40-man roster spot:
Scott Merkin tweet:
White Sox roster moves: RHP Alex McRae outrighted to Triple-A Charlotte
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1408875187299360768
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/white-sox-discussing-eduardo-escobar-trade-with-diamondbacks.html
Sox linked to Eduardo Escobar.
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Given our long-established track record of acquiring aging bats....
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I gotta think the Twins would want more from us since we are rivals in same division. Not sure what they would be asking about, they need young pitching, pretty set in young outfielders. I would think 2 of our better young pitchers in the minors would do it. They will want more but they need to realize he is a rental for 3 months.
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Rumor has it, the Twinkies are planning or willing to trade their DH Nelson Cruz who's going to be a free agent again after the season. Are you interested? What young prospects(s) are you willing to give up for his services? Why do you think the Twinkies will realistically take for him? Discuss.
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Looks like there is an Eduardo Escobar rumor out there.
Yes. Escobar got held out of the game today and there is a strong rumor that he is going to the White Sox. He's got 15 home runs this season and can pay 2nd, ss and 3B. Do it, please Hahn!!
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I think that Hahn should be talking to KC right now for a deal for Whit Merrifield. He has one year left on his contract after this season. He is a very good player both offensively and defensively and one of the best base stealers in all of baseball. He can also play right field. With Madrigal out for the season, this would be a good trade for the Sox to make with KC rebuilding and needing prospects. Adding a veteran who knows how to win would also be important to a young team.
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Looks like there is an Eduardo Escobar rumor out there.
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If the Braves release him, I wouldn't object to the Sox giving him a chance if Mendick/Garcia struggle at second. He wouldn't cost much and we already know he's well liked by management and in their clubhouse. A change of scenery might just work for him again like ii did last season when he joined the Sox after being released by the Giants.
Plus aka Loveland will get to see or use her favorite White Sox gif again:
(https://i.imgur.com/mUx4Kel.gif)
Yolmer? Hilarious.
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If the Braves release him, I wouldn't object to the Sox giving him a chance if Mendick/Garcia struggle at second. He wouldn't cost much and we already know he's well liked by management and in their clubhouse. A change of scenery might just work for him again like ii did last season when he joined the Sox after being released by the Giants.
Plus aka Loveland will get to see or use her favorite White Sox gif again:
(https://i.imgur.com/mUx4Kel.gif)
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Yolmer is on the Braves' AAA team... meaning he's probably going to be cheap. No need to give up any future pieces to make a postseason run this year.
He's slashing quite poorly, so we may not want him back anyways....
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Yolmer has a job. He's on the Braves Triple-A team. Adam Frazier would be nice if he didn't cost too much in prospects. He has 4 years of service time, already makes $4+M in salary so unless the rules change under a new CBA, he's "under club control" for 2022. t's a gamble though. With his current OPS+ of 140m the Pirates would probably ask for a minimum top pitching prospect and Gavin Sheets to do a deal right now. Might be acceptable if Mendick fails in the next 5 weeks but I'd hate to deal away Jared Kelley and Sheets to see Frazier walk away after the season in a new CBA. With the team somewhat comfortably in 1st place, current rostered players deserve the chance to show if they can handle the position before looking elsewhere. Unless you can pick Frazier up for a bargain price.
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...or at what point do we bring back Yolmer?
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fraziad01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
Adam Frazier of the Pirates - potential target...? He has some RF experience (albeit a few years ago) in addition to his 2B experience.
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Any RF targets?
Gavin Sheets to the Reds for Nick Castellanos would be nice. ;D
Nick has an opt-out in his contract which he'll probably exercise at the end of the season. If Cincinnati falls to 10 games back, it might be doable.
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But would prefer a lefty bat as well
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Absolutely. Just think that cost is going to be prohibitive. Although, Seattle is closer in the West than expected. They might not be sellers until it is too late to get top dollar for him...
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I’d see what it would take for Haniger
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One trade chip for every MLB team
https://www.mlb.com/news/one-trade-chip-for-every-mlb-team-in-2021
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It’s tough because lu and eloy likely back at some point but i’d shoot higher.
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With Engel back, that could be the case, but Hamilton just hit the IL and somebody has to play CF...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/diamondbacks-reportedly-listening-to-trade-offers-for-david-peralta.html
I had mentioned Peralta as a candidate that should end up available and apparently he is.
He's off to a meh start, but even his meh start against righties represents an upgrade from most of our lineup against RH pitching.
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Agreed, we are stuck with Eaton. I will give him some credit for having some big hits this year however. Just not consistent enough.
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RF has to be target.
I can't see Tony giving up on Eaton. I don't think uprgrading RF is going to happen this year even though we all know it should happen. Hope I'm wrong though.
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Someone must have shot Vaughn up with something in his time off. He looked like he was trying to jump out of his skin at the plate today.
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Sheets is being called up to replace Vaughn. Catcher upgrade won't happen. Grandal is on base all the time and he's getting paid.
RF has to be target. Haniger would be the guy to go get, but it would be pricey.
A guy like David Peralta might work as well if you felt he could handle RF. He's not bad against righties either.
Arizona is going to be selling and Peralta wouldn't cost much.
Good points. I'm not talking about replacing Grandal, though I'm more referring to Collins. If they can find a decent catcher to replace Collins, it would be an improvement I think.
As for right field, I agree, that Hadinger or Peralta would be good ideas. That is if Sheets is given a decent chance out in right field and doesn't show anything. Signing Eaton to me was a mistake from the beginning.
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Sheets is being called up to replace Vaughn. Catcher upgrade won't happen. Grandal is on base all the time and he's getting paid.
RF has to be target. Haniger would be the guy to go get, but it would be pricey.
A guy like David Peralta might work as well if you felt he could handle RF. He's not bad against righties either.
Arizona is going to be selling and Peralta wouldn't cost much.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/top-mlb-trade-deadline-candidates-rumors.html
Any RF targets?
As bad as our catching is right now, I'd be looking for a guy as well. There is nobody in the minor leagues ready to step up. Collins is terrible so maybe a move there is warranted also. I still don't know what they hell they are waiting for in not bringing Sheets up. Does Eaton have the goods on someone in the Sox organization or something?
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/top-mlb-trade-deadline-candidates-rumors.html
Any RF targets?
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It's June, time to warm up the hot stove...
Have to think Mariners are at least taking calls on Haniger...any thoughts on what might pry him loose? His .844 OPS against righties would be 2nd to Moncada among our regulars.
Probably cost the Sox Gavin Sheets as Haniger makes $3M and has an addition year of club control before free agency. That's if the free agency rules don't change after this season when the current CBA expires.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/mariners/mitch-haniger-is-appearing-in-mlb-trade-scenarios-but-the-mariners-should-not-deal-him-heres-why/
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It's June, time to warm up the hot stove...
Have to think Mariners are at least taking calls on Haniger...any thoughts on what might pry him loose? His .844 OPS against righties would be 2nd to Moncada among our regulars.
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He is no where near an Ohtani. Hits well, but not like Ohtani. Has hardly pitched, sounds like those days are over. What a terrible nickname, puts a ton of pressure on the kid and he is not anything close to Ohtani.
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Not sure if this thread or the Farm thread is the appropriate place for it....
https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-favorites-for-oscar-colas
Sox are the favorites for Oscar Colas, aka the "Cuban Ohtani."
Colas is rated as the #2 available international pool prospect.... behind Yoelqui Cespedes.
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Finally on the Sox, we drafted him out of HS in 2009 hoping to take him away from his UNC commitment.
He's a decent player and good outfielder. It'll be interesting who else the Sox will be trading for or signing. With Eaton going in the proverbial tank and Leury just a fill-in on occasions kind of guy, they need another outfielder. I say that Sheets hit a home-run in his first game in 3A. I still think that he has a good future.
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Finally on the Sox, we drafted him out of HS in 2009 hoping to take him away from his UNC commitment.
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White Sox To Sign Brian Goodwin
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/05/white-sox-sign-brian-goodwin.html
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Avery Weems was the prospect included with Dane Dunning in the Lance Lynn trade. Weems was a 6th round pick in 2019 where he was was a "Senior budget pick" to save money to pay for earlier round picks. He signed for $10K but did well in rookie ball.
https://www.lonestarball.com/2020/12/8/22163591/dane-dunning-avery-weems-texas-rangers-lance-lynn-chicago-white-sox
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good explanation of why Engel is no more than a platoon player:
https://baseball-dugout.com/2020/12/07/white-sox-2021-projections-adam-engel/
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Lance Lynn is considered to be one of the best teammates for the clubhouse. This guy is one of the worst:
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White Sox To Sign Adam Eaton
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/white-sox-to-sign-adam-eaton.html
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Dunning seems like a bit too much to give up for one year.
But maybe by going with the cheap salaries of Lynn and Eatme, they'll spend $$ elsewhere (bullpen, Bauer).
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I also hate to see the kids go before we find out what they can do. But I also like the fact they are trying to improve. This does not appear to be the Lance Lynn who stunk it up with the Twins. Guess we will find that out too.
As Shoeless said on another board, wish we would spend money rather than giving up on kids.
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Not sure I like the trade all that much.
I guess Lynn would be a much better known asset - more predictable - than Dunning, but I was really hoping that Dunning would get a fair shake at a full season. I liked what he did for us this year, and he seemed to be a good #3 at best, reliable #5 at worst.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K4QlIPUC4Y
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Lance Lynn traded to the White Sox for Dane Dunning:
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1336172641581936642
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/white-sox-to-acquire-lance-lynn.html
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Never mind... looked at his peripheral stats. Not great.
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www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/as-designate-daniel-mengden-for-assignment.html
Worth an add???
Not even sure he would fall to the Sox....
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I can't wait for a walk-off 2-run home run to lead off the bottom of the 7th inning one of these games.
I am a box score reader, I still get caught once in a while wondering how there was an unearned run in an extra inning. No errors, no Passed Balls, no catcher interference... and then it sinks in. But I like the rule now, we have a bit of an advantage with Dyson.
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jarrod-dyson-trade-to-white-sox
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1299392266184929283
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I can't wait for a walk-off 2-run home run to lead off the bottom of the 7th inning one of these games.
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85% steal percentage for his career. Nice to have for extra innings when we get to start out with a man on 2B.
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In terms of his bat? Yeah, his bat is a pool noodle.
His defense (this year's 20 games or so notwithstanding) is superb, and his speed / base running / base stealing are also elite.
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no, Dyson makes Engel look like Ichiro.
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Basically a late inning defensive replacement / pinch running option. Aka left-handed Adam Engel.
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Sox reportedly acquiring Jarrod Dyson from the Pirates for international cap space:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/08/pirates-trade-jarrod-dyson-white-sox.html
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If we had a like button I would like Method,s post.
Same here. If Madrigal starts, we have Mendick and Sanchez as reserve infielders. They are both solid ballplayers both ways. Let Mendick play some 3B vs LH pitching.
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If we had a like button I would like Method,s post.
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We can carry yolmers bat. Get him up here.
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If Leury were healthy he'd be my DH.
If Leury was healthy, he'd be my LFer and Eloy would DH.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/08/white-sox-sign-yolmer-sanchez-to-minors-deal.html
For Loveland
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If Leury were healthy he'd be my DH.
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Yep. Mendick is pretty solid out there though. Certainly better than Leury.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/08/white-sox-sign-yolmer-sanchez-to-minors-deal.html
For Loveland
What Loveland wants Loveland gets!!
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/08/white-sox-sign-yolmer-sanchez-to-minors-deal.html
For Loveland
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he'd still be Sox property if they hadn't put him on the 40 after hitting .221 in A ball.
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My guy Basabe traded to the Giants for cash considerations.
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Looks like Hahn agrees with you
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As long as its a 1 year deal its ok. more then a year and its messy.
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A lot of smoke around an Edwin Encarnacion signing by the beloved. I don't love it, but I don't hate it. But I do love that the Sox have recognized that the AL Central window has opened (and that the Chicago Sports Abyss window has also opened), and are going for it in a relatively reasonable manner.
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Years and money seem very good to me; color me on board with this one.
.....and no loss of their 2nd round pick for signing him as Keuchel was exempt from a qualifying offer since he didn't sign with Atlanta until after the June draft.
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Years and money seem very good to me; color me on board with this one.
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Keuchel, 3 years for 55.5M, so 18.5 per. Not that bad, long as he stays healthy. Almost Buehrle-like, seems consistent.
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I'd be okay with that trade; Cease is still unproven and those other two guys are probably going to be okay at best.
Yeah, I would not hesitate. Those other two are nothing, Cease could be real good, but for Arenado, see ya.
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I'd be okay with that trade; Cease is still unproven and those other two guys are probably going to be okay at best.
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Maybe if we needed a 3bman. Moncada to CF??
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Lol.... No way do the Rockies ever take that, and no way do the Sox do that.
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6 Arenado trade proposals that could work
3) South Siders finally land a superstar
White Sox get: 3B Nolan Arenado and cash
Rockies get: RHP Dylan Cease, OF Luis Alexander Basabe (White Sox No. 7 prospect) and C/1B Zack Collins (White Sox No. 9 prospect)
Why it could work: The White Sox have been trying to top off their rebuild by adding a star from outside the organization, landing Yasmani Grandal but missing on Manny Machado, Bryce Harper and Zack Wheeler over the last two winters. Enter Arenado, whose all-around game and leadership would boost the young roster. In this scenario, Yoán Moncada -- who had a breakout 2019 after moving from second to third base -- would put his speed and athleticism to use in center field, filling one of Chicago’s holes. And getting a significant amount of money (perhaps $30 million?) to help accommodate Arenado’s salary might motivate the Sox to move Cease. That would be a tough pill to swallow, but the club could turn to the free agent market for pitching help, or use second baseman Nick Madrigal (MLB’s No. 40 prospect) as trade bait while moving Moncada back to the keystone.
Speaking of Cease, the 23-year-old has electric stuff that misses bats, which is key at Coors Field, and he already has 73 big league innings (and 81 K's) under his belt. Also 23, Basabe is a little further away -- he was limited by injury to 74 games in 2019, mostly at Double-A -- but he’s a switch-hitter with speed, some pop and a good enough defensive profile to stick in center. Collins, like Cease, is just about ready after making his MLB debut this year, and he brings plenty of power and patience at the plate. While it’s unclear whether he has the receiving skills to catch full time, the Rockies would be able to give him the opportunity.
Who says no? The White Sox. Pitching remains a major area of need, and Chicago is counting on Cease to be a big part of the rotation in 2020. The White Sox could fill second base and center field with Madrigal and fellow prospect Luis Robert, respectively, allowing Moncada to avoid another position switch.
https://www.mlb.com/news/nolan-arenado-trade-proposals
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White Sox To Acquire Nomar Mazara
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/white-sox-to-acquire-nomar-mazara.html
https://www.mlb.com/breaking-news/white-sox-trade-interest-nomar-mazara
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Baseball has the weirdest arbitration system where players get more in arbitration than they would as free agents. Just nutty.
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Source: White Sox place Sánchez on waivers
What would move mean for club, well-liked infielder?
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/yolmer-sanchez-placed-on-waivers-by-white-sox
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I was surprised by the Grandal deal. I thought McCann was a budding star and made the AL Allstar team. I didnt think catching was a major problem
McCann hit like his norm of prior years after the All Star break, around .220. Grandal helped drive the Brewers to the playoffs. He was very important to them.
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Catching isn't a "problem" per se, the problem was the need for a lefty power bat, which they got. Creating great depth at an important position is a bonus.
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I was surprised by the Grandal deal. I thought McCann was a budding star and made the AL Allstar team. I didnt think catching was a major problem
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2019/11/22/20977887/chicago-white-sox-jose-abreu-agree-on-3-year-50-million-deal
Not unexpected
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He can DH too
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I'm pretty sure they will keep McCann, and that he will catch about 35% of the time.
Yes, I would. Will he be happy however?
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I'm pretty sure they will keep McCann, and that he will catch about 35% of the time.
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Need 2 SPs
2 would be nice but if it’s Wheeler only still very good
true, but Wheeler can be one and then take a shot at one or two lower level starters and maybe get lucky with one.
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I liked McCann - a lot. He had a knack for big plays like Creede talk me out of being upset.
I liked him too, but Grandal appears to be the better player. Out of all the qualifier catchers last year (by #innings) Grandal was #2 on pitch framing. McCann was dead last. That is something that truly helps out pitchers, especially young pitchers who do not always get breaks from the umps. Grandal has more power, hit 28 homers last year and in past 4 years is #2 homer run hitter among catchers behind that Sanchez guy on the Yankees. He also walked 109 times to 32 or so for McCann. Therefore, even tho McCann out hit him like .280 something to .240 something, Grandal has the better OBP. Grandal has the most RBIs for catchers in the past 4 years. He is 31, a year or two older than McCann, but keeps himself if good shape. I heard he was a leader that helped turn around that Brewer team last year.
I would keep them both, send Collins back to AAA so he can put up some big numbers and maybe become trade bait or maybe he does well enough we want to keep him and he can take over for McCann. Giolito likes to pitch to McCann so there is that. Plus Grandal played 1B in 20 games last year. When McCann plays as C then Grandal can DH or play 1B and let Jose DH.
C was not a position of need as much as RF or DH, but this can basically help with DH and it improves our defense a lot if he can help our young pitching by stealing strikes. One thing to remember tho, as soon as live umps go away, the edge a framer gives a team basically goes away. So that part of his game only helps us a year or a couple max.
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Need 2 SPs
2 would be nice but if it’s Wheeler only still very good
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I liked McCann - a lot. He had a knack for big plays like Creede talk me out of being upset.
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Need 2 SPs
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Grandal/Wheeler/Castellano's and a traded for BP arm would be as fantastic off-season.
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After signing catcher Yasmani Grandal on Wednesday, the White Sox are expected to pursue free agent pitcher Zack Wheeler, according to major league sources.
https://www.sny.tv/yankees/news/sources-white-sox-to-pursue-free-agent-zack-wheeler-after-signing-yasmani-grandal/311953278
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The literal answer is "Yes, he could".
Chicago sports radio personality Sam Panayotovich reported Wednesday that he was hearing the White Sox were "strongly pursuing" Castellanos, who the club became plenty familiar with during his time with the Tigers.
"Chicago sports radio personality"? Never heard of this dude.
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Could Castellanos move across town
to the South Side?
https://www.mlb.com/news/nicholas-castellanos-rumors
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Price is really really good. Beni was injured for a lot of the year he'd be our best defensive OF almost immediately. Move Eloy to DH. 3 problems solved with 1 move.
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Kind of interesting:
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/jd-martinez-mookie-betts-andrew-benintendi-could-white-sox-seek-big-splash-trade-red-sox-mlb-trade-rumors-free-agency-hot-stove-offseason
Meh. Need better pitching than Price would bring. Beni maybe if 18 is more real than 19.
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If we could get Price/Benintendi for a piece like Lopez, JR should pay up and get it done.
Beni is a lefty bat that plays + defense in the OF. Price would be a nice #2 behind gio. If we can add a Ryu and kendrick in FA that would be gravy.
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Kind of interesting:
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/jd-martinez-mookie-betts-andrew-benintendi-could-white-sox-seek-big-splash-trade-red-sox-mlb-trade-rumors-free-agency-hot-stove-offseason
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Red Sox claim lefthander Josh Osich off waivers
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2019/10/31/red-sox-josh-osich-waivers
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White Sox ship Castillo, int'l money to Rangers
Chicago receives Minor League IF/OF Jonah McReynolds in return
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/welington-castillo-traded-from-white-sox-to-rangers
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/10/rangers-acquire-welington-castillo.html
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the info on the deal: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/white-sox-trade-nate-jones-rangers.html
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-trade-nate-jones-for-minor-league-pitchers
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The 19 year old has very good potential
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so is this from next years pool of cash? does that mean we are already giving up on the top guys for next year?
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Weird trade:
Nate Jones plus international slot compensation & cash considerations goes to Texas; we get a could schmoe low-level pitchers.
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Ivan Nova: Trade Candidate?
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/ivan-nova-trade-candidate.html
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And, whether we trade him for a top 50 prospect this year or next, I’d make that trade again a thousand times.
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Why did we trade a solid young starting left handed hitting catcher (Narvaez) for Colome if we just use him as trade dead line material?
He can hit, I give him that. Now, does the pitching staff miss him? Is he calling a good game? Stopping the running game at all? That was some of the rap on him. I saw a rating of all MLB catchers last year that played a certain amount. I think there were about 150 ranked and he was like 144 or 148 as a defensive catcher. Actually that may have been for framing, he was like the WORST framing catcher in baseball last year. Think about that. Does not help the staff out a lot.
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Why did we trade a solid young starting left handed hitting catcher (Narvaez) for Colome if we just use him as trade dead line material?
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I say trade Colome.
Relief pitching is a fickle commodity. You have unknown guys coming out of nowhere to become dominant each year, and the markets won't get any hotter than during the regular season. You're going to get an inflated value out of relievers by contenders who just need that one extra arm to get themselves over the hump.
I think there are enough arms out there during the offseason that you can bring in a half dozen low-risk / high-upside guys and hope that one sticks.
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I’d take Kieboom and then deal Anderson
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Its possible that the Nats would trade Carter Kieboom a top 50 guy for Colome.The are back into the race and desperately need bullpen help.
I'm not sure Kieboom is a need for us given we have Moncada Anderson and Madrigal.
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Hope they keep? I agree. You’re not getting a top 50 prospect for any of our guys so stay on track for next year.
Yes, keep
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Hope they keep? I agree. You’re not getting a top 50 prospect for any of our guys so stay on track for next year.
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I sure hope so.
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I won't be surprised to see them trade Colome, but I suspect that they keep him. They control him for another year and I think they fully plan on competing in 2020. I think they keep Abreu too.
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I highly suspect Colome will be traded. Everyone needs bullpen help right now and Colome and Felipe Vasquez are probably the best two on the market.
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White Sox could be quiet at Trade Deadline; Abreu staying put?
June 20: The White Sox have made some strides this season, playing .486 ball (35-37) after going 129-195 (.398) over the previous two seasons. However, the club is likely still at least a year away from seriously contending, and it isn’t likely to be among the top buyers this summer.
That said, Chicago might not be a major seller, either. MLB Network insider Ken Rosenthal writes in an article for The Athletic (subscription required) that the club may prefer to keep players such as catcher James McCann and relievers Kelvin Herrera and Alex Colome to make a push next season. Each of those players is under control through 2020.
Jose Abreu can become a free agent this offseason, but according to Rosenthal, general manager Rick Hahn has said the first baseman is "very likely" to remain with the club.
As a result, it could be a quiet Trade Deadline for the White Sox.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings
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Sox made a waiver claim:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago-white-sox
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Alright with Craig Kimbrel to the nort'siders a done deal pending a physical, let's START some rumors.
How about closer Alex Colomé to the Brew Crew for OF Corey Ray. Maybe even offer to include up to $3 million if they include their #9 prospect LHP Aaron Ashby in the deal. Corey Ray has been a big disappointment since being the overall #5 pick three years ago but he is a Chicago kid and one of the prized graduates of the White Sox ACE program.
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=641999#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=676879#/career/R/pitching/2019/ALL
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-corey-ray-brewers-haugh-20180224-story.html
Fair proposal or is it too much?
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Machado contract is already a bargain... and harper has yet to sign. Watch goldy sign something like 6-190/200 as well.
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Have you ever looked at Nolan's home and away splits? 320/374/609 with a .290 iso at coors; 263/318/469 with a .206 iso on the road.
Rockies are also apparently working hard on a extension for him.
Like blackie said, we had a golden opportunity to get this done and we failed...
Of course Arenado's numbers are better at Coors. Everybody's are.
Extrapolate his numbers in games outside of Coors and you still get a guy that's going to hit 30 HRs, drive in 100 runs and OPS about .800.
Arenado is not going to get Machado money, because GMs are well aware of the splits. he is also older than Machado.
Cheaper, less years, all-star numbers...I'm good with it.
BREAKING: Third baseman Nolan Arenado and the Colorado Rockies are finalizing an eight-year, contract extension worth more than $255M, league sources tell ESPN. Deal includes an opt-out after three years, would give Arenado the largest per-year salary of any position player.
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Machado was not a good fit - which is why I preferred Harper. He doesn’t hustle, he isn’t going to turn that on simply because he signed a big contract, it is likely going to get worse. How is that a good fit for a young team? If he didn’t want to come here why would you want him??? I am not going to whine that he wasn’t offered enough to satisfy his ego, as Andy pointed out the taxes alone made it a comparable deal.
Let it go.
I am seriously ok not getting either.
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Sox take a flyer on Ervin Santana w/ a minor league deal. He couldn't pitch after surgery on his middle finger last year, problems gripping the ball & getting the right spin on it. Fact that Sox were only team interested looks bad.
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Heard Hahn on the radio say the reports that the Sox weren't offering an opt-out were fake news, completely untrue.
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I did not like Harper...lots of OF options in minors, I don’t think he ages well, gonna be over $300 mil
Agree on Harper not aging well. I would have offered a very high high AAV for 6 years.
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How many WS have the Nats won? What huge contract did the Cards, Royals, Cubs, Astros do to fuel their WS titles? Interesting that the Phils, who are uber aaggresive, also passed.
Nats haven't won any WS, but I sure enjoyed 7 consecutive years of being division favorites, with another 3 or 4 years ahead to look forward too. Plus four division championships. Compare that to the WSox last 7 years, and that we have only been in the post season four times since 1960.
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$50 million more total gross but spread out over a contract that is two years longer. Net is considerable less when you consider the difference in state income taxes as currently IL is 4.95% and California is 13.5%. Playing for the Padres means 81 home games and 10 road games in LA and 9 road games in SF this year. That's 100 games out of a total of 162 subject to the higher CA tax rate. The White Sox play 7 total road games in CA (4 in Anaheim & 3 in Oakland). 100-7=93 more games per year at a 8.5% higher state income tax rate. 93/162 = 57.4%. $300 million x 57.4% x 8.5% = $14.65 more in state taxes. So basically $35 million more net but you become a free agent again at 36 years old instead of 34 years old. If he's still a productive in demand player at the end of the contract, a 34-year old should get a better deal than a 36-year old free agent. That's also not taking into consideration that being a superstar pro athlete playing for a Chicago-based team is more in demand than the same player playing for a smaller market like San Diego. Hell the '85 Bears players are still making $$ endorsement deals in Chicagoland.
Maybe it's the weather but honestly you expect Manny to live in Florida in the off-season and summer in Chicago is just as good and maybe better than summer in San Diego. Maybe he preferred the softer media and less pressure of San Diego versus the attention he'd receive in Chicago. He won't be scrutinized in SD like he would be in Chicago. Chicago is a sports crazed town while SD is not. Heck the Padres are the only major sports team there as they have no major pro football, basketball or hockey team.
Andy, I read somewhere that Manny could avoid a good amount of the extra CA taxes if the Padres take a portion of the $300 million and give it Manny as a signing bonus, in which case he pays no state taxes as a Florida resident.
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I did not like Harper...lots of OF options in minors, I don’t think he ages well, gonna be over $300 mil
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Have you ever looked at Nolan's home and away splits? 320/374/609 with a .290 iso at coors; 263/318/469 with a .206 iso on the road.
Rockies are also apparently working hard on a extension for him.
Like blackie said, we had a golden opportunity to get this done and we failed...
Of course Arenado's numbers are better at Coors. Everybody's are.
Extrapolate his numbers in games outside of Coors and you still get a guy that's going to hit 30 HRs, drive in 100 runs and OPS about .800.
Arenado is not going to get Machado money, because GMs are well aware of the splits. he is also older than Machado.
Cheaper, less years, all-star numbers...I'm good with it.
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I preferred neither and am getting what I wanted.
Oh, and I am laughing at the incompetence of the Twins organization these days...
One of these guys is getting 21 mil over 2 years, the other ain't.
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Machado was not a good fit - which is why I preferred Harper. He doesn’t hustle, he isn’t going to turn that on simply because he signed a big contract, it is likely going to get worse. How is that a good fit for a young team? If he didn’t want to come here why would you want him??? I am not going to whine that he wasn’t offered enough to satisfy his ego, as Andy pointed out the taxes alone made it a comparable deal.
Let it go.
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And here we go. Ervin Santana signs minor league deal
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The club needs new ownership. But they may have dodged a bullet with Harchado. Spend on pitching
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Juan, problem is Jerry will never sell. Family will wait til he dies and monetarily they come out ahead due to tax situations or something or other.
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How many WS have the Nats won? What huge contract did the Cards, Royals, Cubs, Astros do to fuel their WS titles? Interesting that the Phils, who are uber aaggresive, also passed.
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I'd rather sign somebody next year that actually wants to play 3B...
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arenano01.shtml
Manny already stated weeks ago that he was willing the play third base for any team. Manny and Bryce at 26 are a once in a lifetime opportunities, given their value and age. There are no free agents in our upcoming window that come close to them. Arrenado and Rendon will resign with their current teams.
i'm in the camp that this was the most devastating blunder in Sox history since the Black Sox. Go the www.soxmachine.com and read Margulis article today. I'm in total agreement. I'm boycotting the team this year by not attending any games.
Shoe you must work for JR
Proud of their "creative and aggressive effort"? Bullshit! No opt outs at all, and Sox get to decide in year 8, if he gets 550 plate appearances for him to get years 9 and 10.
Manny made the no brainer choice.
Hahn promises they will spend the money on other players, yeah, like Adam Dunn and LaRoche.
Nats signed Werth to contract that changed their franchise, even though he waned out in the last few years. We had the chance here
Time for Jerry to sell, and fire Rick and Kenny! I've lost faith in this franchise/
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I concur with Blackie. I am not nearly so annoyed that Machado chose to go elsewhere than I am that we folded up on Harper a long time ago.
Who knows the future though, I was upset when we didn’t land Arod but the Rangers couldn’t shed him fast enough. Watch what happens!!
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Manny has been decidedly better at Balt than road. Phillips is idiot. Sox deal was worth more but players don’t want to be held accountable. F him
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Jerry Reinsdorf has stated numerous times the White Sox won't be sold while he's alive. Too much capital gains in a sale. He's told his son to sell the Sox after Jerry dies and keep ownership of the Bulls.
I know that is the narrative, but there are "rumblings" that many of the minority owners want to cash in now before they get too old, and are strongly urging Jerry to sell. Guess we shall see.
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I'd rather sign somebody next year that actually wants to play 3B...
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arenano01.shtml
Have you ever looked at Nolan's home and away splits? 320/374/609 with a .290 iso at coors; 263/318/469 with a .206 iso on the road.
Rockies are also apparently working hard on a extension for him.
Like blackie said, we had a golden opportunity to get this done and we failed...
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I'd rather sign somebody next year that actually wants to play 3B...
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arenano01.shtml
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https://twitter.com/StevePhillipsGM/status/1098236010339672065
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I thought Sox Brass realized they had a golden opportunity to revitalize the franchise by getting both Harper and Machado, both of whom they easily could afford. Such a move would make the White Sox relevant, increase interest (and thus sell more tickets), and maybe even increase the value of the team for a guy that will probably sell it in 5 years.
But after they whiffed badly on Machado and subsequently decided to bail on pursuing Harper, color me disappointed.
Jerry Reinsdorf has stated numerous times the White Sox won't be sold while he's alive. Too much capital gains in a sale. He's told his son to sell the Sox after Jerry dies and keep ownership of the Bulls.
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I thought Sox Brass realized they had a golden opportunity to revitalize the franchise by getting both Harper and Machado, both of whom they easily could afford. Such a move would make the White Sox relevant, increase interest (and thus sell more tickets), and maybe even increase the value of the team for a guy that will probably sell it in 5 years.
But after they whiffed badly on Machado and subsequently decided to bail on pursuing Harper, color me disappointed.
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Sox made a great offer. Who cares what he wanted to sign for. This wasn’t about this season but the next 10
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This sums it up pretty well.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/white-sox-dont-sign-player-1832738689/amp
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$50 million more total gross but spread out over a contract that is two years longer. Net is considerable less when you consider the difference in state income taxes as currently IL is 4.95% and California is 13.5%. Playing for the Padres means 81 home games and 10 road games in LA and 9 road games in SF this year. That's 100 games out of a total of 162 subject to the higher CA tax rate. The White Sox play 7 total road games in CA (4 in Anaheim & 3 in Oakland). 100-7=93 more games per year at a 8.5% higher state income tax rate. 93/162 = 57.4%. $300 million x 57.4% x 8.5% = $14.65 more in state taxes. So basically $35 million more net but you become a free agent again at 36 years old instead of 34 years old. If he's still a productive in demand player at the end of the contract, a 34-year old should get a better deal than a 36-year old free agent. That's also not taking into consideration that being a superstar pro athlete playing for a Chicago-based team is more in demand than the same player playing for a smaller market like San Diego. Hell the '85 Bears players are still making $$ endorsement deals in Chicagoland.
Maybe it's the weather but honestly you expect Manny to live in Florida in the off-season and summer in Chicago is just as good and maybe better than summer in San Diego. Maybe he preferred the softer media and less pressure of San Diego versus the attention he'd receive in Chicago. He won't be scrutinized in SD like he would be in Chicago. Chicago is a sports crazed town while SD is not. Heck the Padres are the only major sports team there as they have no major pro football, basketball or hockey team.
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Its hard to argue with this unnamed source.... 10/300 was the price that was floated last year for him, and that is exactly what he ended up getting. he obviously valued 2 extra guaranteed years at 30 million more then the 1.25 million more per year for 8 years.
The deal the sox offered was 50 million in guaranteed dollars short of what Manny wanted/got. Preller stole Tatis from KW, now swoops in and takes Manny to.
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Market rate obviously.... We had our shot and we came up short.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1097938351850770432
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Market rate obviously.... We had our shot and we came up short.
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Yonder Alonso and Jon Jay to the Padres for Fernando Tatís Jr.
notice the purple font
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Cue the sad trombone...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48
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Cue the sad trombone...
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so no big names for us.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26031051/manny-machado-san-diego-padres-reach-deal
10 year deal at an average of $30 million per year. Too much $$$ for too long a term.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-manny-machado-padres-20190219-story.html
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so no big names for us.
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26031051/manny-machado-san-diego-padres-reach-deal
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<Boatdrink's old "flying under the radar" picture here>
<BlackSox' not-yet-made mock up of the X-Files "I want to believe" poster here>
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I think Yankees are his first choice. Everyone else is plan B
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General feeling seems to be we are Manny's back up plan. They are waiting for someone else to blink and pay more, if not he'll end up here.
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I love the rumor that Machado already signed with us, and they are waiting until Harper signs so Sox Brass can announce them both at the same time. I don't believe it, but I love it.
Heh
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I love the rumor that Machado already signed with us, and they are waiting until Harper signs so Sox Brass can announce them both at the same time. I don't believe it, but I love it.
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Blackie to the rescue... thanks for posting.
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Dare to dream...
https://theloopsports.com/2019/02/12/a-south-side-coup-detat-how-the-white-sox-could-shock-the-baseball-world-and-sign-both-machado-and-harper/
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Yahoo is reporting that Sox offer for manny is 8/250. Yankees offered 8/220.
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That was one dumb article
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/whats-manny-machado-waiting-more-money-or-yankees
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-reportedly-add-depth-outfield-brandon-guyer
At first... yeah, meh. But this clearly is a move that sends a signal to Bryce Harper to either sh*t or get off the proverbial pot, as they say.
#34toSoxConfirmed
:)
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Where you reading this?
SoxTalk, guess it did not happen, heh.
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Interesting, dont know if this moves the needle
http://sports.yahoo.com/manny-machado-told-white-sox-021517493.html
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Where you reading this?
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Noooooooooo!!!!
Yep, rather not have Engel around, I agree.
Looks like we got Joc, waiting to announce that and Machado at Sox Fest. Bummer, Fulmer and Laz Rivera for Joc.
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Noooooooooo!!!!
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Engel would only play vs southpaws.
Or as a late inning defensive replacement, I'd think.
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Wonder what he would cost
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There's some rumors out there that the Sox are trying to deal for OF Joc Pederson from the Dodgers. Another Machado friend?
Eats up RH pitching. Nice CF platoon with Engel if he is still with the team. Engel would only play vs southpaws.
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There's some rumors out there that the Sox are trying to deal for OF Joc Pederson from the Dodgers. Another Machado friend?
My guess?
Left-handed kind-of-power-hitting outfielder (read: "we're giving up on Harper")
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There's some rumors out there that the Sox are trying to deal for OF Joc Pederson from the Dodgers. Another Machado friend?
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If you're going to do 7, there's no reason not to do 8. Make it a mutual option year and structure the pay schedule in a sine curve. Something like 30, 32, 32, 34, 35, 34, 32, 32, 30 *(option year)
I find it hard to believe Machado would get a shorter contract than Heyward unless that is what he is looking for.
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ESPN's Buster Olney presented those numbers on Wednesday afternoon. Word is the White Sox aren't willing to go beyond seven years for Machado -- or Bryce Harper, for that matter -- but Heyman writes that the dollar value in this case "almost surely begins with a 2," as in $200-million-plus. The Phillies and Yankees are the only other two teams that have been connected publicly to Machado, though darkhorses could certainly emerge if the price drops well below the $300 million he was believed to be demanding at the start of the winter. Machado's agent Dan Lozano released a statement Wednesday evening decrying "completely wrong" reports about the market for his client. The saga continues
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Machado’s agent just shot it down.
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Yeah, that 7/175 report is laughable. No way it's true.
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White sox offer to manny is 7/175
No way that's the final offer. Sox wouldn't even be in the conversation if it were. And more teams would be "in" if that were the case. It's just a whole lot of posturing going on between the teams and the agents. We won't know who offered what until the two guys actually sign.
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White sox offer to manny is 7/175, 3 years ago heyward got 8/184.
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Pitchers and Catchers report in 2 weeks... and the two biggest FA's have yet to sign.
I think it's pretty obvious that neither the White Sox or the Phillies are Harper or Machado "first choice" and each of their "preferred team" hasn't made them an offer that they would accept. Both of them also want to be the BIGGEST free agent signee this off-season. So it's a matter of who blinks first Bryce Harper/Scott Boras or Manny Machado/Dan Lozano.
https://theathletic.com/703532/2018/12/09/rosenthal-agent-wars-between-scott-boras-and-dan-lozano-are-a-huge-part-of-the-harper-machado-pursuits/
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Pitchers and Catchers report in 2 weeks... and the two biggest FA's have yet to sign.
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https://twitter.com/WatchStadium/status/1083478589260136448/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chicagotribune.com%2Fsports%2Fbaseball%2Fwhitesox%2Fct-spt-white-sox-manny-machado-20190113-story.html
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me too.
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Prefer Manny
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Not a big Machado fan.
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I want them both too but would take Harper if I had to choose.
And I am disappointed that we seem to be putting more effort into Machado.
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I want them both. And Keuchel.
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Agree. And Nightengale reporting Phils favs to sign Harper. Good for us re; MM
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The good ol' Mystery Team... must means things are getting close and they are trying to drive up final offers.
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https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1083865863827140613
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I wouldn't give up on Machado just yet.
The Sox will spend... they are willing to drop a ton on both Machado and Harper.
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MLB revenues hit an all time high of 10.3 billion in 2019, MLB payrolls declined for the first time since 2010.
There is a strike coming...
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Chart came from reddit, data is from Fangraphs. - https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/7sq2j1/mlb_payroll_as_a_percentage_of_revenue_for_all_30/
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Where do those numbers come from and why do the Cubs and Red Sox have exactly the same "real revenue" down to the penny?
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Herrera is a great signing at that price. Jay is our contingency for Harper obviously.
Harper is going back to the nationals most likely. Machado will end up in NY.
How are the nationals capable of spending this much money, but the sox cant find get past 125 million in payroll. easy answer.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUQ_FZtUQAAfCgM.jpg:large
Please note those numbers dont factor in the newly signed TV deal the Sox just got.
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Sox ink John Jay & Kelvin Herrera.
Came here to read about it, but it seems no one is interested.
My take - Herrera is really good, Jay seems a bit long in the tooth.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/bryce-harper-manny-machado-reportedly-dont-like-idea-playing-philadelphia-024356728.html
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(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/157374/157374-10823459Fr.jpg)
Sources: White Sox sign James McCann
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-sign-james-mccann/c-301864534
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-sign-james-mccann-20181214-story.html
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Manny Machado's brother-in-law is on his way to Guaranteed Rate Field:
(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/157374/157374-11726923Fr.jpg) (https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/130223/130223-9331758Fr.jpg)
White Sox To Acquire Yonder Alonso
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/yonder-alonso-traded-to-white-sox/c-301883238
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-acquire-yonder-alonso-20181214-story.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/12/white-sox-to-acquire-yonder-alonso.html
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Yordi Rosario (who?) and half a mil in international bonus pool money.
the last time the sox traded a19 year old "who?", he became a stud prospect
Fernando Tatis, Jr. was never considered a "who?" prospect. He was a MLB.com "Top 30 International Prospect" when they signed him for $825k at age 16. It was just a bad trade when they dealt him for James Shields.
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Yordi Rosario (who?) and half a mil in international bonus pool money.
the last time the sox traded a19 year old "who?", he became a stud prospect
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Yordi Rosario (who?) and half a mil in international bonus pool money.
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Guessing lower level mid tier prospect
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Supposedly the Sox made a trade with the Pirates. Sox getting SP Ivan Nova, pending physical. No word on what the Sox gave up.
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The Anaconda
heh
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I wasn’t there
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The Anaconda
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https://670thescore.radio.com/white-sox-meeting-bryce-harper-jim-thome-recruiting-pitch-young-core
So we send the big stick out to talk to him eh?
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https://670thescore.radio.com/white-sox-meeting-bryce-harper-jim-thome-recruiting-pitch-young-core
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Why wouldnt we take this deal? A warm body would be fine in return for Avi. Now we've non-tendered him and gotten nothing in return.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/so-apparently-astros-tried-trade-avisail-garcia-summer
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Stud reliever for Omar? Hahntastic
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the decision to waive Kevan Smith looks really stupid now. I liked the Narvaez/Smith catching combo, hard to find a good lefty bat at catcher.
I'd offer Avi a contract, the amount people said he'd get in arbitration was really stupid, really absurd. Don't know if his knee surgery will correct whatever caused him to stink last year after hitting .330 in 17.
Palka is a left handed version of Davidson, no field power guy, but Palka seems just a tad better hitter. Davidson's apparent inability to field 3rd really hurts his value.
Smith will not be missed either. We need a catcher who can help our pitchers out with framing. Narvaez was dead last out of 100+ catchers last year in framing, Smith not much better. Grandal is very good at it. Avi with horrible OBP, we need some guys to have better OBP, he could not do it. Palka way better than Davidson, maybe Eloy can DH from RH side for us at times. A very good day IMHO
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the decision to waive Kevan Smith looks really stupid now. I liked the Narvaez/Smith catching combo, hard to find a good lefty bat at catcher.
I'd offer Avi a contract, the amount people said he'd get in arbitration was really stupid, really absurd. Don't know if his knee surgery will correct whatever caused him to stink last year after hitting .330 in 17.
Palka is a left handed version of Davidson, no field power guy, but Palka seems just a tad better hitter. Davidson's apparent inability to field 3rd really hurts his value.
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Avi Garcia - he gone. Non-tendered.
Leury Garcia - he kept.
I read Hahn said one of the two non-tendered guys might be offered a contract. but at a lower salary that he would have gotten in arbitration.
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James Shields.
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... glad to be rid of Avi and Davidson. Good day.
Not me. So who is gonna pitch when the Sox are down 8 runs and the bullpen is worn out?
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Like the trade, now the kids do not have to close, let them learn via setup. Glad we kept Leury, glad to be rid of Avi and Davidson. Good day.
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Avi Garcia - he gone. Non-tendered.
Leury Garcia - he kept.
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Matt Davidson - he gone. Non-tendered.
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Some details:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/mariners-trade-alex-colome-white-sox-omar-narvaez.html
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Whoa
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Narvaez traded to Seattle for Alex Colome.
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Heard Sox offered Harper 10 years, $310,000,000
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He's back: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1067153780834295809
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(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/136339/136339-9039244Fr.jpg) (https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/162157/162157-10457165Fr.jpg)
Cubs claim LHP Ian Clarkin off waivers from White Sox;
Dylan Cease among 4 added to Sox roster
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/ct-spt-cubs-white-sox-40-man-roster-20181120-story.html
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I think there is no way we can sign Harper because he's all about making a historic impact. He will be a Yankee or Dodger. Machado is possible, but Philly is willing to pay stupid prices according to their owner,
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There's been a lot of talk about how we have a ton of payroll and we'll go after Harper, Machado, etc. I don't know how plausible that is. Both certainly fit our window, but the length of the contract for either would be prohibitive.
We know we have to replace Shields and it would be nice to upgrade. This information came out today, and it makes me wonder how much salary we could get them to absorb. Our portion of Shields was around 10 million last year.
If we could get them to absorb half his salary, he would slot into that spot pretty well, and the 3-year window fits with developing his replacement.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/market-chatter-greinke-suzuki-eovaldi-reds-nats-phils.html
The Diamondbacks are “aggressively shopping” righty Zack Greinke, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (via Twitter). With $95.5MM of salary still due over the next three years, he’s an expensive option. But the deal is at least cabined in length, and the Snakes have a good shot at getting out from under most of it. (Alternatively, the club might be able to pay down a larger portion and recoup some talent in a swap — or go in the other direction and include additional talent to make the whole contract go away.) It’s still largely unclear how things will shake out, but the fact that the Arizona organization is looking for a taker certainly makes a trade seem quite plausible.
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https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-stove-what-to-make-of-the-white-soxs-apparent-push-for-bryce-harper-at-the-united-center/
https://sportsmockery.com/2018/11/leaked-united-center-picutes-bryce-harper/
https://twitter.com/sportsmockery/status/1060675835898851328/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1060675835898851328&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.soxtalk.com%2Fforums%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26controller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fsportsmockery%2Fstatus%2F1060675835898851328%3Fs%3D19
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Cubs pick up Johnny Field. Hunnie must be about ready to throw up.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/white-sox-acquire-manny-banuelos.html
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OF looks pretty bad.
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Couple of young uns.
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(https://i.imgur.com/i0qN5vH.jpg)
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-get-bryan-connel-and-johan-dominguez/c-292758714
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/milwaukee-brewers
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/phillies-acquire-luis-avilan.html
https://twitter.com/Phillies/status/1032292711733317637
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-trade-luis-avilan-20180822-story.html
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/phillies-acquire-luis-avilan.html
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Cabrera throws hard, but no movement on the fastball. its straight as an arrow.
Yep, he has pitched in Rookie League with Burdi. Cabrera getting hit fairly hard by the HS kids.
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One in the hand is worth 2 in the minors.
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His bigger issue is taking too many strikes
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He'll do great... can we have someone just throw him curve balls in the dirt... let him know ahead of time that's whats going to happen... he'll still swing at half of them.
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They need him to throw batting practice to Moncado.
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Cabrera throws hard, but no movement on the fastball. its straight as an arrow.
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The White Sox signed once-promising Braves reliever Mauricio Cabrera.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/08/minor-mlb-transactions-81418.html
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Frare missed 2013 & 2014 with injury, I'm guessing TJ surgery.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/white-sox-acquire-caleb-frare-from-yankees.html
Decent pickup for International pool money.
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Looking at Medeiros' stats the high walk rate jumps out.
Good thing is he's having his best yr this yr at AA.
Surprised we got so much for Soria.
The 20 yr old Perez has good #s as a starter in the DSL. We have no talent in the DSL, our team there really sucks.
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He has a Chris Sale slider. As mentioned, if does not make it as a starter, could be a great LOOGY or set up man.
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Medeiros was their 13th ranked prospect. Former 1st round pick in 2014.
Scouting grades: Fastball: 55 | Slider: 60 | Changeup: 50 | Control: 45 | Overall: 45
The Brewers made Medeiros the highest-drafted prep to come out of Hawaii, selecting him 12th overall in 2014 after he blew away the club's front office during a pre-Draft workout at Miller Park. He's continued to impress with his pure stuff in the professional ranks, though the results have been uneven at times. After a rocky 2016 season at the Class A Advanced level that saw him miss time with back and groin injuries as well as the flu, Medeiros returned there in 2017 and showed bat-missing ability more on par with his stuff -- a trend that continued for him in 2018 in his first Double-A campaign.
Getting away from his low-three quarters arm slot in '16 cost Medeiros both velocity and life on his fastball. Bigger and stronger in '17, he looked more like his old self in the Carolina League, operating at 92-95 mph with a heavy fastball. His slider remains a plus pitch, one capable of inducing whiffs on both sides of the plate with its significant lateral break, and he'll also flash above average with his changeup, which has good sink and fade. Medeiros' control continues to be below average, but he was markedly better in that regard in '17, issuing a career-best 3.7 walks-per-nine, down from 6.7 the previous year.
The jury is still out on whether Medeiros, with his unique arm slot and underwhelming control profile, can remain a starter long term. The Brewers think he can, believing that the Hawaiian southpaw will eventually learn how to harness his dynamic three-pitch mix. If he can't, however, it's widely agreed on that Medeiros will have impact potential in a big league bullpen.
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its a done deal.
Sox get Kodi Medeiros and wilber perez both pitchers.
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Medeiros looks like a good return. 2014 1st round lefty posting solid numbers.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/brewers-to-acquire-joakim-soria-trade-white-sox.html
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Tilson sent down, Delmonico probably ready
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(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/157374/157374-10823420Fr.jpg)
No apology necessary: White Sox All-Star Jose Abreu worth keeping more than trading
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-jose-abreu-haugh-20180711-story.html#
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Heh
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Jeff Abbott - he of the giant forehead ("five head"?)
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Ryan LaMarre is a rare breed. One of the very few MLB position players in the last 50 years to throw lefty but bat righty. Last White Sox player that I remember to do so was outfielder Jeff Abbott (late '90s). Only position player in the HOF who batted right and threw left is Rickey Henderson.
(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/1196/1196-123Fr.jpg) (https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/155909/155909-11364513Fr.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/pR8kTYX.jpg)
You can pretty much rule out trading Avisaíl García before the trade deadline as his bad hammy has him back on the DL:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1016717662280388617
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-put-avisail-garcia-on-10-day-disabled-list-with-strained-hamstring/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-avisail-garcia-disabled-list-20180710-story.html
(https://i.imgur.com/qTlwrow.png)
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Kevan Smith on DL at AAA. Seby Zavala on DL at AA.
Garneau to AAA.
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Dustin Garneau and Alfredo Gonzalez it is...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/white-sox-claim-dustin-garneau.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/white-sox-select-contract-of-alfredo-gonzalez.html
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Why, we really do not want to win at this point? We brought up Gonzalez from AAA, he is no good, but Smith is on DL as is Zavala and Collins needs to continue hitting in AA for now. Since our C is suspended for PEDs we do not need to make room on 40-man for him, so we do not need to cut anyone to add Gonzalez.
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So, do we sign a scrap heap guy or trade for a body at C?
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That looks like a new starting bat position for Eloy....
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Thanks Theo:
https://twitter.com/soxmachine_josh/status/988563304888045568
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Collins has a career minor league BA of .219.
He also has a career OBP of .373 and OPS of .798.
The batting eye will play. He just needs to find his swing.
That is a real big IF
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Collins has a career minor league BA of .219.
He also has a career OBP of .373 and OPS of .798.
The batting eye will play. He just needs to find his swing.
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Not sure how you think he will hit .230, I tend to doubt that
He's still working on his swing. End of last year he switched to having bat on shoulder instead of wagging it before swinging. He's admitted it feels awkward, so it is going to take ABs to get used to.
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I thought there would be rejoicing since we had wailing and gnashing of teeth when Trace was traded away.......
Not from me. We gave away nothing and basically got nothing (Frazier)
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I thought there would be rejoicing since we had wailing and gnashing of teeth when Trace was traded away.......
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Collins has a career minor league BA of .219.
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I guess I don't get the negativity around Collins. He is what he is. He'll be a .230 hitter with a .330-.350 OBP and .750-.800 OPS
If we can have a guy who gets on base at a .340 clip and plays good D behind the dish, that isn't a bad catching prospect in my view.
Castillo will OPS .800 and be a defensive black hole. Still think we're better off with Kevin Smith right now.
Not sure how you think he will hit .230, I tend to doubt that
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Sorry - meant Adam Engel not Eaton - mind kinda groggy late at night.
Mo betta
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Sorry - meant Adam Engel not Eaton - mind kinda groggy late at night.
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I guess I don't get the negativity around Collins. He is what he is. He'll be a .230 hitter with a .330-.350 OBP and .750-.800 OPS
If we can have a guy who gets on base at a .340 clip and plays good D behind the dish, that isn't a bad catching prospect in my view.
Castillo will OPS .800 and be a defensive black hole. Still think we're better off with Kevin Smith right now.
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They're stretching him out as a starter. Still throws 97. He's got some work to do yet.
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Montas is a reliever with Oakland I think. Still only 25.
He is getting torched at AAA I think
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Never mind, he was sent to AAA this year.
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Montas is a reliever with Oakland I think. Still only 25.
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To follow up on Juan's post...
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/two-separate-trades-white-sox-send-tyler-saladino-milwaukee-and-bring-back-trayce-thompson
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/brewers-acquire-tyler-saladino-designate-alec-asher.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/white-sox-acquire-trayce-thompson.html
Weird, but okay I guess. No word on who takes Saladino's place with the Big Club.
I would guess Thompson replaces Saladino. Leury can play infield and Yolmer can move to SS at times. No need for another infielder.
Laughing about when we traded Thompson. Frigging Method was all up in arms how Frankie Montas was going to haunt us, he even in the league?
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I'd rather have Saladino - tho his back issues are a problem.
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Trayce is better than Adam E, and Salidino is worthless.
Blackie, Trayce is on the 25 man roster now.
Adam Eaton is 10 times the ballplayer Thompson is, just needs to stay healthy. I hate him, glad he is not a Sox, but no one would have traded us 3 prospects for Thompson.
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just about anyone is better than Eaton, but Thompson may be the only guy with a worse bat.
I'd hoped Evan Skoug would make up for some of the pain of Zack Collins, but it appears he can't hit either.
Rutherford now hitting .404. His inability to hit last year after we traded for him worried me.
Skoug is nothing, not a chance. Our next catcher is not in our system. Rutherford had 6 doubles in his first 9 games. Gets the bat on the ball, when he learns to lift the ball and gets a little stronger he could be a player. Only 20 and in High A ball. Thompson sucks so bad.
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just about anyone is better than Eaton, but Thompson may be the only guy with a worse bat.
I'd hoped Evan Skoug would make up for some of the pain of Zack Collins, but it appears he can't hit either.
Rutherford now hitting .404. His inability to hit last year after we traded for him worried me.
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I'd rather have Saladino - tho his back issues are a problem.
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Trayce is better than Adam E, and Salidino is worthless.
Blackie, Trayce is on the 25 man roster now.
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I'd rather have Saladino - tho his back issues are a problem.
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"Thompson becomes another young player who could perform well enough to impress the front office and work himself into consideration for its long-term plans"
Yeah that could happen but he failed in that regard with three other clubs this year.
Didn't someone just post an article about how excited he was to be back in the Bay area with his brother? He must be bummin' big time
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To follow up on Juan's post...
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/two-separate-trades-white-sox-send-tyler-saladino-milwaukee-and-bring-back-trayce-thompson
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/brewers-acquire-tyler-saladino-designate-alec-asher.html
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/white-sox-acquire-trayce-thompson.html
Weird, but okay I guess. No word on who takes Saladino's place with the Big Club.
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Saladino gone to the Brewers and Trayce is back.
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Rays released Dan Hudson. Maybe we should bring him home, since we're collecting iffy RPs...
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The White Sox have acquired righty Ricardo Pinto from the Phillies for an unknown amount of international bonus pool money.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/03/white-sox-acquire-ricardo-pinto.html
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Nothing earth-shattering:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-agree-to-terms-with-26-players-on-2018-contracts/c-267018310
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Supposedly Hahn is making some sort of announcement at 12:30.
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The White Sox have been linked, albeit loosely, to Moustakas, and it still seems as if the Chicago organization could have some tricks up its sleeves. While the focus, no doubt, remains on the future, the club is going to have some solid veterans and high-end young talents on the roster for the coming season. With just over $70MM on the books for 2018, perhaps the organization could yet pursue some one-year or multi-year deals that would hold out the promise of delivering excess value. Outfielder Carlos Gonzalez is a “possibility” for the South Siders, per Heyman. It stands to reason that the Sox might hold added appeal to players such as Gonzalez if they are willing to offer more playing time than might be available elsewhere.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/heymans-latest-lomo-braves-moustakas-white-sox-cargo-lynn-arrieta.html
https://www.fanragsports.com/mlb/inside-baseball-mlb-notes-hanley-ramirez-ready-for-comeback/
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Stephen is way better...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/white-sox-outright-dylan-covey.html
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Hope he's healthy.
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Solid signing
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/white-sox-sign-hector-santiago.html
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Latest signing and Burdi news:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-notebook-xavier-cedeno-alec-hansen-zack-burdi/
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-miguel-gonzalez-signing-20180111-story.html
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This is a surprise:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
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(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Jose+Rondon+San+Diego+Padres+Photo+Day+MlFa_0ngRiyl.jpg)
White Sox Acquire Jose Rondon
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-trade-for-jose-rondon-from-padres/c-264527020
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/player/602922/jose-rondon
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/white-sox-acquire-jose-rondon.html
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Interesting. They gave up basically nothing - Jake "Black" Peter was left exposed in the Rule V, and no one took him -- and got back a couple of potential Trade Deadline Flips. Yes, they took on some salary, but the Sox can afford it.
Jake "Black" Peter, I love it.
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Soria was half decent for KC last year... does this mean he's our closer?
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Obi Hahn Kenobi
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Interesting. They gave up basically nothing - Jake "Black" Peter was left exposed in the Rule V, and no one took him -- and got back a couple of potential Trade Deadline Flips. Yes, they took on some salary, but the Sox can afford it.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSvIJq_UMAE7QC5.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/949072218025353217
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/dodgers-nearing-acquisition-of-scott-alexander-in-3-team-swap-with-royals-white-sox.html
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Jerry Crasnick (espn.com) just tweeted:
The #Dodgers and #Whitesox are working on a trade. Stay tuned.
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That would be awesome... Yelich will hate it.
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Trade Abreu then deal for Yelich
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I think a project like Jose Ruiz is just as deserving of a 40-man roster spot as, say, a Daniel Palka, Guillermo Quiroz, or Thyago Vieira.
(Pop Quiz: Which one of those latter three names are not on currently on the Sox' 40 man? Point being - we gotta a lotta riff raff on there.)
Quiroz
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I think a project like Jose Ruiz is just as deserving of a 40-man roster spot as, say, a Daniel Palka, Guillermo Quiroz, or Thyago Vieira.
(Pop Quiz: Which one of those latter three names are not on currently on the Sox' 40 man? Point being - we gotta a lotta riff raff on there.)
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No downside. Throws hard. Just started pitching
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Of course that's good. :o
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Yep.
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A 5.98 era in A ball?
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Good move
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRrHIv6XUAEgp4-.jpg)
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-claim-jose-ruiz-off-waivers/c-263952280
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Sanchez did a Yolmer's job of handling the utility infield role...
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<snicker>
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I think Carlos Sanchez (or whatever his name is now) had a better WAR than the 2.1 Machado had last year.
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Maybe move anderson to CF
Personally I'd rather keep Anderson at SS and play Machado at 3rd where we are weak. Or we could move Anderson to 3rd and play Machado at SS.
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Andy - the odds of a serious career altering injury is MUCH higher for a pitcher than a position player. Your point isn't very strong.
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Maybe move anderson to CF
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...but I guess that wouldn't make sense either, since the Orioles aren't really in need of a shortstop....
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The only way I see a Machado deal working out is if the Sox can sign him to a big extension. Even then, I'd imagine that a trade would have to involve Anderson going to Baltimore and Machado playing SS (something he has said he wants to do).
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Even if the Orioles granted a 72-hr window to work out an extension, Machado has absolutely no reason not test free agency. He's going to get a MEGA contract from someone and it makes no sense for him not to see what's out there and play other teams against each other to keep raising the bidding. The Sox may offer a very, very big amount but there's no amount the Dodgers or Yankees couldn't top if they decide they really want him. And for as good as Machado is, there does get to be a point where the money he'll command is just not practical. Forget about Bryce Harper, too. That guy's a dbag.
There's one reason to consider agreeing to a multi-year contract now before reaching free agency next off-season. It's called potential injury. Just think of two recent White Sox pitchers, Gavin Floyd and John Danks. Floyd turned down the multi-year deal and Danks took it. Floyd got hurt and never got a big contract offer again. Danks got hurt too but AFTER he signed the pre-free agency $60M deal so he collected on all of it.
Now the odds favor the player getting more money by waiting until free agency, but injuries do happen which seriously affect their earning potential. Just ask Gavin Floyd as Danks' career earnings are more than double Floyd's even though Floyd accumulated more MLB service time than Danks.
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Borass is going to make a lot of $$$$ next year.
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Even if the Orioles granted a 72-hr window to work out an extension, Machado has absolutely no reason not test free agency. He's going to get a MEGA contract from someone and it makes no sense for him not to see what's out there and play other teams against each other to keep raising the bidding. The Sox may offer a very, very big amount but there's no amount the Dodgers or Yankees couldn't top if they decide they really want him. And for as good as Machado is, there does get to be a point where the money he'll command is just not practical. Forget about Bryce Harper, too. That guy's a dbag.
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Hmmmm.... You all are just as baffled by the Machado talk as me.
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Wouldn't we receive a comp pick after the first round if he signed elsewhere?
I'm of the belief we will be strong in 2nd half next season. KC and Tigers in toilet. Show Machado you're a year away (and the money). If he walks, get the pick and sign someone else.
Yes and no. Compensation rules changed in the latest CBA reducing the value of a compensation pick. Only teams that receive revenue sharing will now get a sandwich pick between rounds 1 and 2 for their loss of a free agent who rejected the qualify offer.
The White Sox do not receive revenue sharing so no round 1A pick for them. Best they'd receive is a pick which would come after Competitive Balance Round B. Competitive Balance Round B comes after Round 2. Last June the Competitive Balance Round B ended with overall pick #75.
So as an example, if Jake Arrieta signs with another team this off-season, the Cubs compensation in the June 2018 draft, would be approximately the 80th overall pick. If Arrieta was a free agent last off-season, losing Arrieta would have given them pick #31 in the June 2017 draft.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/11/07/mlb-free-agency-compensation-rules-draft-picks-qualifying-offer
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Yep
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Wouldn't we receive a comp pick after the first round if he signed elsewhere?
I'm of the belief we will be strong in 2nd half next season. KC and Tigers in toilet. Show Machado you're a year away (and the money). If he walks, get the pick and sign someone else.
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More Machado:
At least we can dream.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/dare-to-dream-machado-buzz-trickles-down-to-white-sox/
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Dont sell yourself short, Blackie. You’te a smart schmoe
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the Orioles aren't allowing teams to try to negotiate an extension with Machado apparently.
One of the many things that makes zero sense. The O's would get a bigger "haul" if their trade partner knew they'd have Machado for more than a year. Given the option, you want the bigger "haul". If a schmoe like me knows this, certainly the brain trust of a major league team knows this.
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I don't think we'd be buying 1 year. There's nothing stopping us from offering a boatload of cash over 5-6 years. Who else are we going to be paying? Rodon? Abreu?
CF Polo
2B Moncada
3B Machado
1B Abreu
LF Jimenez
DH Davidson
RF Garcia
C Castillo
SS Anderson
Rough lineup, assuming we don't trade Abreu or Garcia (I think we'll move Avi while value is up).
We have no big player contracts. Machado fits our window. I'd hate to give up Giolito or Kopech, but you don't get a Machado for pennies on the dollar. That's why we accumulated volume.
Yeah, but the Orioles aren't allowing teams to try to negotiate an extension with Machado apparently.
If we're going to commit to someone like Machado, why not just give up a 2019 draft pick to sign him later? Or do you think we'll get a "hometown" discount?
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I don't think we'd be buying 1 year. There's nothing stopping us from offering a boatload of cash over 5-6 years. Who else are we going to be paying? Rodon? Abreu?
CF Polo
2B Moncada
3B Machado
1B Abreu
LF Jimenez
DH Davidson
RF Garcia
C Castillo
SS Anderson
Rough lineup, assuming we don't trade Abreu or Garcia (I think we'll move Avi while value is up).
We have no big player contracts. Machado fits our window. I'd hate to give up Giolito or Kopech, but you don't get a Machado for pennies on the dollar. That's why we accumulated volume.
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There's no way any of our main prospects are on the table for 1 year of Machado. I'm not buying it either.
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There's a lot to the Machado rumors that just do not make sense. I'm not buying any of it.
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The rule 5 pickup that was sold to the Rangers was for cash. Bummer.
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White Sox plans:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-interest-in-manny-machado-doesnt-match-up-with-plans/
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Nick Burdi picked just before Sox pick - Smart move, he had TJ surgery so will be on DL most of the year followed by 30 day rehab assignment - only needs to be called up at end of year.
Sox could have picked Nestor Cortez.
Last yr sox picked a bum - this yr they bailed. What was point in getting down to 36 on the roster?
Sox should sign Putnam & Petricka to minor league deals, bet I fear they're to stupid to act on a no lose situation.
I would sign Putnam, not the other bum. Cannot stand him.
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Nick Burdi picked just before Sox pick - Smart move, he had TJ surgery so will be on DL most of the year followed by 30 day rehab assignment - only needs to be called up at end of year.
Sox could have picked Nestor Cortez.
Last yr sox picked a bum - this yr they bailed. What was point in getting down to 36 on the roster?
Sox should sign Putnam & Petricka to minor league deals, bet I fear they're to stupid to act on a no lose situation.
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https://theathletic.com/184555/2017/12/14/rosenthal-machado-in-chicago-white-sox-are-serious-suitors-for-the-orioles-star/
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/rangers-acquire-carlos-tocci.html
Sox draft Tocci then trade him for a bag of coin...
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Just dont see it unless they have deal in place for new contract
Agree, especially when the White Sox are still in re-build mode. It would be a foolish trade for a one year rental unless you can steal him in a trade or have him agree to a contract extension before the trade.
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Just dont see it unless they have deal in place for new contract
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6:27pm: The Yankees and White Sox are also interested in Machado, ESPN’s Buster Olney reports (Twitter link). As mentioned below, Peter Angelos doesn’t want to deal Machado to New York, while the Sox are an interesting suitor that could be looking at Machado as the centerpiece of a return to contention.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/orioles-trade-rumor-manny-machado.html
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White Sox assets Jose Abreu and Avisail Garcia could be up for bid at winter meetings
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-winter-meetings-20171209-story.html
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Seems like a good Coop special to me. Try converting him to the bullpen. We need arms there, especially a LH.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/red-sox-place-henry-owens-outright-waivers.html
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My My - http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/262745812/white-sox-decline-to-tender-2018-contracts-to-four-players/
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We need to sign a lot of Rob Scahill type of players.
Always liked Wellington Castillo's hitting, kinda surprised we signed a catcher - thought our catchers were a pleasant surprise last year.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/white-sox-to-sign-welington-castillo.html
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White Sox sign Welington Castillo. Two years + club option.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/white-sox-sign-rob-scahill.html
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Trade Avi
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Boston is interested in dealing for Abreau according to this link too:
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/jose-abreu-trade-white-sox-red-sox/
I will say this, that he has improved defensively since coming to the White Sox. I really am not totally opposed to a trade.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/red-sox-other-teams-discussing-jose-abreu-trade-scenarios-with-white-sox-mlb-rumors.html
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Cards are looking for a OF, wonder what we'd have to add to Avi to get Carson Kelly.
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White Sox could target familiar names in free-agent pitching market
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-free-agents-starters-20171121-story.html
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If its going to happen later, that won't help us keep Guerrero and Peter. The 40 man roster is now frozen for the rule 5 draft
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Putting Basabe isn't the problem. I would have done the same given the Padres Rule 5 picks last year. The problem I had was keeping guys like Putnum, Petricka, Saladino, Hansen, etc. on the 40.
Those guys will probably be cut/demoted/downgraded later.
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just can't see protecting a guy that sucked in A ball. Peter, Clark, Guerrero & Polo are all more likely to play in the majors next year than fricking
Basabe
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Hopefully do not lose the LP Guerrero or the Inf Peter, I would have cut some others off the list (as Juan said)
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Really only a problem if we lose someone
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Putting Basabe isn't the problem. I would have done the same given the Padres Rule 5 picks last year. The problem I had was keeping guys like Putnum, Petricka, Saladino, Hansen, etc. on the 40.
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can't believe the Sox put Basabe on the 40 roster. What a stupid move. No one is going to use a Rule 5 pick on a guy who sucked in single A.
Hope we don't lose anyone.
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I'm in the "Trade Avi" camp.
I'm on the fence. One side says trade him while his value is high and the other side says maybe there is still an upside and hold off. The bottom line is he is still an unknown and its hard to tell which is the real Avi. I am sure not going to cry and whine if he is moved. We tolerated the bad Avi long enough.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/al-west-notes-maxwell-avisail-healy-trade-rangers-astros.html
Oakland interested in Avisail Garcia.
I'm in the "Trade Avi" camp.
Not me and if IRCC I was the only one who didn't want to trade/non-tender him last off-season.
Keep Avi and hope last season was his breakout and not a fluke year. Maybe, just maybe, trade him mid-season if Eloy is considered ready to join the major league club.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/al-west-notes-maxwell-avisail-healy-trade-rangers-astros.html
Oakland interested in Avisail Garcia.
I'm in the "Trade Avi" camp.
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(https://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2017/08/14/97decde5-96b0-4695-91d6-691d92fedc5c/thumbnail/770x433/3a0d575fb8baf3909c511f6704749f5e/thyago-vieira.jpg)
White Sox trade for hard-throwing Vieira
Chicago sends $500K in international slot money to Seattle
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/262042040/white-sox-trade-for-thyago-viera-from-mariners/
Get to know White Sox new 100-mph arm
http://m.mlb.com/cutfour/2017/11/16/262024416
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-thyago-vieria-trade-20171116-story.html
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The WhiteSox have acquired minor-league pitcher Thyago Vieira from the Seattle Mariners in exchange for international signing bonus pool money.
#8 prospect in mariners org.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/931205448421789714
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Article says sox at 35 on the 40 roster with Eloy, Gillaspie, Peter, Guerrero, Brian Clark, Polo & Ian Clarkin all due to be put on the 40.
Aren't Adams & Stephens due also?
I'd cut Jacob May and someone else.
Tough choices.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/926827663825649664
https://theathletic.com/147359/2017/11/06/white-sox-add-daniel-palka-to-stack-of-advanced-corner-outfield-bats/
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that was a good read.
don't know if this had been posted but interesting angle on getting more prospects by taking on bad salary
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/09/three-needs-chicago-white-sox-3.html
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Off-season outlook:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-white-sox-8.html
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He sucks as a 3bman. they moved him to the OF late in the year.
here are the league leaders in hard hit percentage. - http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=2&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=19,d
He ranks 5th, if you organize by Soft hit, he's at 6th (lowest in the league) He had a terrible first 2 months but the talent is there. Change of teams could do him real good.
If the price is low enough he's the type of player to go after, only 25 and has great peripheral stats.
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looks like he's a 3Bman. Who Ks quite a bit
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I read the Tigers are shopping the greek god of hard contact, nick castellanos. The trade price for OFers has dropped in recent years, he would be a great get.
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Would love a SS
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Here is that link Metodo put out for 2018 early mock draft.
I love the Sox choice, a switch hitting SS out of same academy as Lindor on Cleveland.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/mlb-mock-draft-2018/#asvoLbDAOUZwohaL.974. White Sox
Chicago's rebuilding efforts have moved into overdrive with trade acquisitions and solid early returns from bat-first college first-rounders the last two years in Zack Collins and Jake Burger. If the White Sox continue in that vein, they could pursue college bats such as top Cape Cod League performers Greyson Jenista of Wichita State or Griffin Conine of Duke.
But Chicago won't have to limit itself to college bats, and a need for athletes could push it to pick a prep bat this high. If so, the best choice is Nander De Sedas, who attends the same Florida prep school that produced another American League Central shortstop, Francisco Lindor. De Sedas switch-hits like Lindor and has some lightning in his bat to go with middle-of-the-diamond athleticism.
PICK: Nander De Sedas, SS, Montverde (Fla.) Academy
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/10/white-sox-outright-five-players.html
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the 40 gets fixed in October/November, before the rule 5 draft & before those who are not on the 40 can become free agents.
There are guys in the minors who have to be protected & you normally want a spot open to pick a rule 5 guy - especially if you're so bad that you pick at the beginning of the draft.
So what's to prevent the guys like Volstad from being released when his contract is up?
Still not sure how having "filler" guys is a bad thing for the 2017 season.
Its not. Like you say, release them or outright them off the 40-man the day the season ends. Will be room to pick up one or two guys in Rule V draft, not a big deal.
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the 40 gets fixed in October/November, before the rule 5 draft & before those who are not on the 40 can become free agents.
There are guys in the minors who have to be protected & you normally want a spot open to pick a rule 5 guy - especially if you're so bad that you pick at the beginning of the draft.
So what's to prevent the guys like Volstad from being released when his contract is up?
Still not sure how having "filler" guys is a bad thing for the 2017 season.
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the 40 gets fixed in October/November, before the rule 5 draft & before those who are not on the 40 can become free agents.
There are guys in the minors who have to be protected & you normally want a spot open to pick a rule 5 guy - especially if you're so bad that you pick at the beginning of the draft.
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There are probably 7 guys currently on the 40-man who won't be by next spring.
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Just roster filler and a guy who can help us lose. If we had brought up someone like Kopech you would have screamed we were ruining him. Seriously. This guy is up to lose, no other reason.
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Chris Volstead? WTF? What a waste of 40 roster space.
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We picked up Gonzalez last year when Orioles released him.
Yep - I thought it was a minor league contract with some guaranteed (non-league-minimum) salary if he was called up.
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We picked up Gonzalez last year when Orioles released him.
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From the southsidesox write up:
"Also, his letters in his name can be rearranged to spell “Barf Question.”"
Amazing!
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From the southsidesox write up:
"Also, his letters in his name can be rearranged to spell “Barf Question.”"
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Basically turned a scrap heap pitcher (wasn't gonzalez a minor league FA signing after spring training last year?) and turned him into an underperforming but high ceiling young prospect. All before losing the pitcher for nothing in 2 months to free agency.
That is how it's done, right?
Yes sir, did same thing with Kahnle and Swarzak.
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Basically turned a scrap heap pitcher (wasn't gonzalez a minor league FA signing after spring training last year?) and turned him into an underperforming but high ceiling young prospect. All before losing the pitcher for nothing in 2 months to free agency.
That is how it's done, right?
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(http://i.imgur.com/9FWbkib.jpg)
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/149814/149814-9716454Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/105429/105429-25017279Fr.jpg)
Miguel Gonzalez traded to the Rangers
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/rangers-expected-to-acquire-miguel-gonzalez.html
info on Forbes: https://www.minorleagueball.com/2017/6/5/15740706/mlb-prospect-profile-tiquan-forbes-3b-texas-rangers
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just fwine.
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He is going to be just fine.
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His ops is near .700. Boston brought him up last year. He'll be better next yesr because of this
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Shoe, cubs brought up Happ who hit .298 in AAA, brought up Carantini who hit .344 in AAA.
Moncada is younger than both those guys (22) and only hit .282. Moncada has only played half a season at AA & half a season at AAA. He's clearly been rushed. And for what?
Smart teams like St. Louis would never do what the Sox are doing.
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Moncada needed 100+ ABs at the major league level. Only way you get better
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He needs to spend another 4-500 atbats in the minors. bring him up when eloy is ready.
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Sooner you bring them up sooner they become a FA. Giolito still has to pitch better before I'd give him service time.
I still think it's silly having Moncada on the 25 roster. I get no joy in watching him struggle, I find it painful.
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Calling up Giolito would be stupid - he's really stunk at AAA.
Sharpie you haven't been following Giolito's last 5 or 6 starts, he's been great in all of them except one. Tonight was another example. They would be nuts not to bring him up, just to see if this late improvement plays in the Show.
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I just heard they activated Covey off the DL.
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I haven't heard who they have or have not called up. No announcement that I've heard
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Calling up Giolito would be stupid - he's really stunk at AAA.
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No one is looking at Holland as a starter. As a LOOGY out of the pen, he could be interesting. Sox should probably call up Giolito and move Holland into that role to give teams a look.
Makes sense, good idea.
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No one is looking at Holland as a starter. As a LOOGY out of the pen, he could be interesting. Sox should probably call up Giolito and move Holland into that role to give teams a look.
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Heyman with the scoop of the year:
Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports reports the White Sox would like to work out trades for Gonzalez, Holland and reliever Tyler Clippard, all of whom will be free agents this offseason.
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The rumor mill continues to churn:
http://www.espn.com/blog/mlb/rumors/post/_/id/36656/rumor-central-orioles-looking-at-miguel-gonzalez-derek-holland
Ten cents each? Sold.
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Clippard has a pretty good track record and had a 1.80 ERA for us. We should get something decent...
Kemp would be a great get
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Rick Vaughn.
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Forgot about Farquhar. I'm guessing it will be some old guy reclamation project that they possibly could showcase & flip in the next two weeks.
Could also be Lowe or Machi, the two guys we picked up from Seattle AAA team, both ex big leaguers I believe.
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Forgot about Farquhar. I'm guessing it will be some old guy reclamation project that they possibly could showcase & flip in the next two weeks.
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Holmberg. :)
Probably Dylan Covey or Al Alburquerque.
I would guess Covey, but I would think Farquhar ahead of Alburquerque. I just wanted to try and spell those two names.
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Holmberg. :)
Probably Dylan Covey or Al Alburquerque.
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Question of the day....Who gets the callup to replace Clippard on the roster? Should be a pitcher I would presume.
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But Houston also has a record of not giving up anything of value in trades. Its why I suggested toilet paper.
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Clippard has a pretty good track record and had a 1.80 ERA for us. We should get something decent...
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As long as his salary is off the books, it's a win.
He was thrown in as a salary dump to help offset the payroll the Yanks took on for Robertson and Frazier.
If the PTBNL has a pulse, that's a plus.
One name I have heard rumored is 2B Tony Kemp.
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As long as his salary is off the books, it's a win.
He was thrown in as a salary dump to help offset the payroll the Yanks took on for Robertson and Frazier.
If the PTBNL has a pulse, that's a plus.
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He gone:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-trade-tyler-clippard-astros-spt-0814-20170813-story.html
Cant say what we got, probably toilet paper.
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"as long as Burr avoids a duel with Ian Hamilton ..." LOL
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http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2017/08/white-sox-acquire-rhp-ryan-burr-from-arizona-for-international-bonus-pool-room/
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Did Dylan Covey enter the witness protection program?
Dylan Covey, he sleeps with the fishes.
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(http://www.milb.com/images/643494/t426/180x270/643494.jpg) (http://www.milb.com/images/664846/t495/180x270/664846.jpg)
MLB.com had Puckett ranked the Royals #13 top prospect. They now have him as the White Sox #25 top prospect.
LHP Andre Davis was #22 on the Royals prospect list. He now doesn't crack the top 30 White Sox list.
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=cws
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2017/07/white-sox-net-two-pitching-prospects-for-melky-cabrera/
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(http://i.imgur.com/IhR7pRe.jpg)
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/891706618890604544
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We get RHP A.J. Puckett & LHP Andre Davis, paying half of the rest of Melky's salary. Puckett was KC's 2nd rounder last year.
Not bad.
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Melky to KC for two pitchers. Looks like a solid return
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Did Dylan Covey enter the witness protection program?
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http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/busy-white-sox-send-dan-jennings-to-rays/#ARVTlZIpyiL8jYGm.97
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the Jennings trade was putrid. Doesn't make any sense at all.
**** even if Jennings were only a rental it would be a bad trade. Mindless.
(and I'm not a great fan of Jennings)
it only makes sense if they decided they didn't want him on the 2018 team and they planned to non-tender him after this season.
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the Jennings trade was putrid. Doesn't make any sense at all.
**** even if Jennings were only a rental it would be a bad trade. Mindless.
(and I'm not a great fan of Jennings)
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or Jeremy Reed ;)
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Bummer was our 19th round draft pick in 2014. Gillaspie was Rays 1st round pick that year.
Aaron Bummer is getting the call to replace Jennings. Let the jokes begin.
Aaron Bummer should have been the name for Dylan Axelrod.
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18-year old Fernando Tatis, Jr. now at #58 on the MLB.com Top 100 Prospects list - ahead of Reynoldo Lopez, Lucas Giolito and Dylan Cease. Whoever recommended the James Shields trade needs to leave the White Sox organ-I-zation ASAP.
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=prospects
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Jenning flipped for Connor Gillaspie's brother.
Not enough of a return for a decent LH reliever who has two more years of control. RH should have held out for Gillaspie + another player too.
The + being a fringe prospect like Johnny Field. That return would have brought Hunnie back to the boards. ;D
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFwCLM-XoAAqXxR.jpg
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Bummer was our 19th round draft pick in 2014. Gillaspie was Rays 1st round pick that year.
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Aaron Bummer is getting the call to replace Jennings. Let the jokes begin.
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/128930/128930-9142560Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/143401/143401-9816059Fr.jpg)
Rays Acquire Dan Jennings From White Sox
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/white-sox-trade-dan-jennings-rays.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-casey-gillaspie-dan-jennings-trade-white-sox-20170727-story.html
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Jenning flipped for Connor Gillaspie's brother.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFq3TS5VoAQ0t_s.jpg)
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/890225510340599811
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seems like a decent return for a rental.
Hope his back problem isn't significant.
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White Sox acquire OF Ryan Cordell for RHP Anthony Swarzak
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2017/07/white-sox-acquire-of-ryan-cordell-for-rhp-anthony-swarzak/
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/244408148/white-sox-trade-anthony-swarzak-to-brewers/
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@JeffPassan
How rebuilding is done: Sign guy in late January to minor league deal (Swarzak), turn him into legit prospect (Cordell). Bravo, White Sox.
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Sell away, wish we'd convert Fulmer to a full time BP guy and sell him as well in a year or two.
ABTR, and he is likely to bring back more value in that form....
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Hahn strikes again. Swarzak to Brewers for Ryan Cordell. Cordell projects as a solid 4th OFer
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/white-sox-sign-danny-farquhar.html
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he Rockies have acquired lefty Will Lamb from the White Sox, with an announcement confirming a tweet from Robert Murray of Fan Rag (via Twitter). It’s not known what Chicago will receive in return, but it’s surely reflective of Lamb’s struggles. While the former second-rounder has produced good results in brief stops at Double-A in recent years, he has been knocked around at the highest level of the minors. Over 120 1/3 total Triple-A frames, Lamb carries a 6.06 ERA with 7.8 K/9 and 4.6 BB/9.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/minor-mlb-transactions-72517.html
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****? Oh, the vodka
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I'm with ISF. Think Tito could be very good
Shoe likes Titos
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I'm with ISF. Think Tito could be very good
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Eh, this trade may have been a tad underwhelming but Hahn got his guy in Rutherford and I trust he knows he wasn't getting offered anything better. By the way, here's a tidbit from a national writer at Baseball America:
Hudson Belinsky Retweeted Baseball America
Really like Blake Rutherford. White Sox system getting deeper and more impactful. Easily the top farm system in baseball in my opinion.
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Not sure eating salary would have changed much. Hahn has had a good of 8 mos as any GM ever
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Polo looks like he could end up the best of the bunch. Yanks got him in Nova trade.
Enjoyed this write-up; read it to the end, especially the part about what Yanks can do with bullpen now....good stuff.
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2017/7/19/15995094/yankees-white-sox-trade-todd-frazier-david-robertson-tommy-kahnle-blake-rutherford
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I'm guessing this salary dump is tied to all that $$$ they gave to "Robber"
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Yea would have rather we paid some for more prospect goodness.
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Heh, good one, Shoe.
Method, one more thing -- keep in mind that "we" didn't eat any money; the Yanks took on Robertson's full salary this year and next year.
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I see what you did there...
Kahnle was not going to fetch what Miller did. Too much uncertainty. But a very good haul regardless. So glad Hahn is flying solo now
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/amid-trade-rumors-white-sox-todd-frazier-scratched-from-lineup/
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Kahnle was not going to fetch what Miller did. Too much uncertainty. But a very good haul regardless. So glad Hahn is flying solo now
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Rutherford is a good get, but the trio is a hard sell for just him.
I disagree. Trade the trio separately, and you get what, maybe a couple of schmoes per guy? I'd rather have a top 30 prospect + a couple of schmoes than have 7-8 schmoes. Nice parlay by Hahn.
I agree would rather have the top prospect then a few schmoes... just feel like 3 yrs of Khanle should have brought back more. He's really elevated his game this year... here is an article on him from right before ethe trade on fangraphs yesterday.
He compares favorably to Andrew Miller... compare our haul to what miller brought the yankees last year from the indians...
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-sox-have-another-major-trade-chip/
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Tito Polo... my guy!
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deal finalized:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/887522527433588739
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Rutherford is a good get, but the trio is a hard sell for just him.
I disagree. Trade the trio separately, and you get what, maybe a couple of schmoes per guy? I'd rather have a top 30 prospect + a couple of schmoes than have 7-8 schmoes. Nice parlay by Hahn.
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If its clarkin... that is a now a suddenly underwhelming return.
Rutherford is a good get, but the trio is a hard sell for just him.
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Other speculation that it's Rutherford, #9 prospect Clarkin, possible Cooper reclamation project in Clippard and some other guy.
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Adams is legit! that would be a coup.
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It's even worse if we have to eat Clippard in the deal.
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Lots of speculation. I'm also hearing #3 Rutherford plus #7 Adams (pitcher), who is a borderline Top 100 prospect. Should be finalized soon.
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I heard a crap prospect after Rutherford, if we get also their #4 prospect as well, I'm all all in.
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I'm hearing Robertson, Frazier, and Kahnle for Yankees #3 prospect Rutherford, and possibly their #4 prospect Mateo and perhaps others. It won't be officially announced until after the game.
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I hear its Blake Rutherford plus little else. I would think we need a bit more. Deal to be announced after the game.
Kahnle by next year could be worth more than Robertson and Frazier.
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Big'n brewing.
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Looks like a role player. Is he really any better than Yolmer?
Yes, he can 100% hit major league pitching... as far as i know yolmer hasnt ever done that.
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Looks like a role player. Is he really any better than Yolmer?
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I know its doubtful this type of trade is made. but i would love for the sox to go get Adam Frazier from the Pirates.
still has 4 years control left, high contact rate hitter and gets good at-bats.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/latest-on-todd-frazier-david-robertson.html
Robertson rumors (various)
Frazier to BoSox for a fringe prospect is the word on the street.
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Frazier to the Red Sox for two minor leaguers?
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Good stuff, Ang!
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Quintana arrived in Baltimore on Friday morning and was recognized by some Cubs fans at the baggage carousel at the airport, where he posed for photos. A few teased him because his gear was in a White Sox bag.
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I laughed audibly.
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https://twitter.com/SC_Phalen27/status/885615491208925184
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Jiminez with a 2 run single this evening already.
So the Dash played Myrtle Beach today; how cool. Flete and Rose also played. So which three guys on W-S found out this morning that they either got promoted, demoted or released?
Released OF Landon Lassiter (again), released 1Bman Telvin Nash, and put INF Sam Dexter on 7 day DL
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Time to get the gang back together!
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C'mon Method, you seem to continually find something to groan about with all these deals. You think Hahn lost by not holding out for Benitendi (that was just not happening, just like Hahn asked Theo for Kris Bryant and that didnt' happen). Now you seem to imply Hahn didn't get a better player than Eloy. Either your expectations are way too high or you just don't want to give the Sox org any due praise for whatever reason.
Like Shoe said, Hahn has been universally lauded for all these deals, big time. If the Sox do as well as expected in a few years Hahn will be Theo 2.0. Get on board!!
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There's no such thing as high floor guys. And not sure where this boom or bust is coming from. Hahn's deals have been universally praised for the abundance of talent he has acquired.
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So we've shipped out Q, Sale and Eaton so far with the main guys we've gotten back being Dunning, Giolito, Lopez, Moncada, Kopech, Eloy and Cease.
We gone for boom or bust high ceiling guys. All of them have high bust potential... i hope we chase after some high floor guys in the next draft or when we move Abreu and Robertson
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Jiminez with a 2 run single this evening already.
So the Dash played Myrtle Beach today; how cool. Flete and Rose also played. So which three guys on W-S found out this morning that they either got promoted, demoted or released?
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not impressed with what we got.
Who takes Q's spot in the rotation? No one at AAA is ready
Danny Wright, for all I care.
What's Jamie Navarro up to these days? Todd Ritchie?
Really, we do not need to win for crying out loud, put Greg Infante in the rotation just for **** and grins.
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Chicago White Sox
@whitesox
#WhiteSox have acquired OF Eloy Jiménez, RHP Dylan Cease, 1B Matt Rose & INF Bryant Flete from the Cubs in exchange for LHP José Quintana.
Wow! Hell hath frozen over. MSF, whaddaya think of the prospects?
Gotta like it. Two chodes (Flete and Rose) cannot even mess it up. Jiminez with a 2 run single this evening already. Cease is one I really like. Cubs have treated him with kid gloves and he is about ready to show what he can do.
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Jeff Passan article:
The White Sox now have the best farm system in baseball. This is inarguable. It’s not just Jimenez and Yoan Moncada and Michael Kopech, three of the top 10 or 15 prospects in the game. Their depth is frightening. It’s fair to say Dane Dunning, a right-handed pitcher acquired in the Adam Eaton deal, is somewhere in the vicinity of their 12th-best prospect. It’s also fair to say Dunning would be the No. 1 prospect in a good five to seven other organizations.
Most striking in this trade wasn’t the fact that it was the first of any significance in a quarter century between the crosstown teams. It was how the White Sox are priming themselves to take back the city right around the time the Cubs face a gauntlet of difficult decisions. Quintana’s contract runs through 2020. Rizzo, Schwarber, Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Javier Baez and Mike Montgomery all are set to hit free agency after 2021. By then, Moncada will be well-established, Jimenez settling into stardom and the White Sox free to have supplemented that jab of cheap players with a righteous hook of free agent stars.
https://sports.yahoo.com/jose-quintana-trade-proves-money-matters-cubs-nurse-world-series-hangover-195650568.html
Rule!! Those paragraphs give me lumber
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Not ritchie...
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not impressed with what we got.
Who takes Q's spot in the rotation? No one at AAA is ready
Danny Wright, for all I care.
What's Jamie Navarro up to these days? Todd Ritchie?
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This part of Passan's article seems inaccurate, though: The Quintana trade also reinforces just how deep the Cubs believe in Schwarber: With Jason Heyward occupying right field and Anthony Rizzo at first base, the Cubs had just one spot for Schwarber or Jimenez. They chose Schwarber.
There have been multiple accounts now saying the Cubs wanted to Schwarber in the deal, not Jimenez, but Hahn would not back off his demand for Jimenez. There were also reports that the Cubs offered Schwarber to the Tigers for either Verlander or Fulmer but were declined.
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Jeff Passan article:
The White Sox now have the best farm system in baseball. This is inarguable. It’s not just Jimenez and Yoan Moncada and Michael Kopech, three of the top 10 or 15 prospects in the game. Their depth is frightening. It’s fair to say Dane Dunning, a right-handed pitcher acquired in the Adam Eaton deal, is somewhere in the vicinity of their 12th-best prospect. It’s also fair to say Dunning would be the No. 1 prospect in a good five to seven other organizations.
Most striking in this trade wasn’t the fact that it was the first of any significance in a quarter century between the crosstown teams. It was how the White Sox are priming themselves to take back the city right around the time the Cubs face a gauntlet of difficult decisions. Quintana’s contract runs through 2020. Rizzo, Schwarber, Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Javier Baez and Mike Montgomery all are set to hit free agency after 2021. By then, Moncada will be well-established, Jimenez settling into stardom and the White Sox free to have supplemented that jab of cheap players with a righteous hook of free agent stars.
https://sports.yahoo.com/jose-quintana-trade-proves-money-matters-cubs-nurse-world-series-hangover-195650568.html
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not impressed with what we got.
Who takes Q's spot in the rotation? No one at AAA is ready
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Loveland is on cloud 9. Q is finally good for something. Double bonus is that I cannot wait for him to pitch just good enough to lose for the Chicago National League ballclub. What A Day!!!!
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I am guessing but I expect Robertson is the next to go.
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Just saw that trade. It shocked me. I sure didn't expect it because of past dealings between the teams and non-dealings. It looks like 2 very good players the Sox got and two trade assets. I am sure Loveland is dancing now.
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Some info from FutureSox:
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2017/07/white-sox-acquire-eloy-jimenez-dylan-cease-two-other-prospects-for-jose-quintana/
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Hahn has played this perfectly. Stuck to his guns and got his man.
Hahn: "There's nothing for us to talk about with the Cubs without Jimenez being part of it."
#WhiteSox and #Cubs talked about Kyle Schwarber. #WhiteSox wouldn't get off Eloy Jimenez.
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Between Abreu, Moncada, Luis Roberts and now Eloy, we have a lot of former cuban stars!
Wonder who gets traded off next? Robertson? Abreu?
I know its a wild dream but Abreu+ for Brendan rodgers would make me really happy. Colorado is looking for a 1bman
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Heh, guess this headline proved to be true:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-cubs-minor-league-report-spt-0711-20170710-story.html
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Matt Rose: 2015 11th round draft pick, (almost) 23-year old playing in high A ball, not hitting. Throw in.
Bryant Flete: 24 yo, also at high A, seems to be hitting okay. Have no idea about his defense.
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According to this, Jimenez is the #8 prospect in all of baseball, Cease #63. Think this gives us 9 in the top 70.
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=prospects
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Cease has come on REALLY strong this year. I love this trade. dont know much about rose or Flete.
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I can't believe Hahn got Jimenez from Theo. And then to get Cease too? Wow!!
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Chicago White Sox
@whitesox
#WhiteSox have acquired OF Eloy Jiménez, RHP Dylan Cease, 1B Matt Rose & INF Bryant Flete from the Cubs in exchange for LHP José Quintana.
Wow! Hell hath frozen over. MSF, whaddaya think of the prospects?
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Brewers Reportedly Looking Into Jose Quintana, Sonny Gray
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/07/brewers-trade-rumors-jose-quintana-sonny-gray.html
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/zach-putnam-undergoes-tommy-john-surgery.html
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Top 50 Trade Deadline Candidates For 2017
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/top-50-trade-deadline-candidates-for-2017-2.html
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/white-sox-claim-alen-hanson.html
after tonight's game, the 25-man roster move to make room for Hanson:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/873376260629700608
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092010/1284123330_chris-hansen-gif.gif)
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/06/white-sox-claim-alen-hanson.html
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Or perhaps your memory banks were able to match who he was talking about.
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Took me a few minutes to get what the hell "Gene", but then I recalled from my memory banks from my youth who the hell you were talking about
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"Gene": he gone
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/05/nationals-acquire-ryan-raburn-from-white-sox.html
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https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/04/27/jose-quintana-white-sox-trade-rumors
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The White Sox, Astros, Padres, Reds and Cardinals are the teams with the most interest in highly touted outfield prospect Luis Robert. Baseball America has reported on multiple occasions that the White Sox are the favorites to land Robert. Unlike the ChiSox, all of the Astros, Padres, Cardinals and Reds have already exceeded their 2016-17 international bonus pools.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/04/rosenthals-latest-yankees-rockies-l-robert-orioles-mariners.html
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Just like to say - Reynaldo Lopez is my guy. He's gonna be the best arm out of the bunch that RH grabbed this off-season. Book it.
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something to read:
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-white-sox-favorites-for-top-international-prospect-luis-robert-030317
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MLB Rumor Central: Four teams still pursuing Jose Quintana?
http://www.espn.com/blog/mlb/rumors/post/_/id/33896/mlb-rumor-central-four-teams-still-pursuing-jose-quintana
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That's exactly why I want him. Collins should be ready by 2019. In meantime Norris can help our young Ps like Fulmer, Giolito, etc.
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no point in getting Norris - he's 28 & a FA in 2019.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/02/white-sox-nationals-were-close-to-david-robertson-trade-now-in-stalemate.html
While I get wanting to trade for prospects, I would rather have Norris. Better framing and a vet who can help our young pitchers. Decent bat as well.
Not sure what Severino can do that Collins won't.
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Nice article: http://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/white-sox-revitalize-farm-system-pair-significant-trades/#WYBjT5H7LXgTX5SL.97
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Well here we go to training camp in the desert.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-spring-training-preview/
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I will guess idiot
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The Abreu trade on there... is he joking? or is he an idiot?
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Reed Martes tucker sounds like a crazy package for Q... but with them now getting Cards supplemental and 2nd rounder... maybe they would do it.
Hope they get off to a rocket start offensively and struggle with SP.... Hope reed gets beaten out and sent to AAA making him more of a tradable commodity.
Reed might not be the most athletic fellow (leading to issues maintaining his mechanics at his size) ... but he has a sweet lefty swing, he might bust big time, but he's equally likely to figure it out. Its obviously that time of year but i have read he's lost a few Lbs... etc. haha.
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We are getting down to nitty and gritty as for trades for the beginning of this season but here is an article that supposedly shows the value of our most tradeable star players and what the author believes we should get back.
http://dawindycity.com/2017/01/12/chicago-white-sox-three-trades/
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Q is under contract for another 4 years, right? No rush to trade him.
Peter Bourjos (sp?) signed a minor league contract with Sox.
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Haha. He is not doing too bad either. Its about time we had a leader in the White House.
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I too am glad we are holding out for a better deal. We need excellent deals not the usual crappy deals. We need to "Put the White Sox first". If you are trading all star talent you should get excellent players in return.
Haha. You sound just like the President . #Trumpfulthinking
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I keep reading that teams are now low balling the sox on offers for Q and Robertson...
Well... yea... we sold our best pieces first... now everyone knows we are sellers and the best bits are gone. If you sell Q first you'd still have a killer market for Sale.
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Sorry but I don't know where to put this but thought it worth posting since its about the team in 2017.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-white-sox-future-sullivan-spt-0122-20170120-column.html#nt=oft03a-1gp3
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Well, we got a huge haul for Chris Scissorhands and DL Eaton. We don't have to tear it all down today. There'll be some desperate GMs around the all-star break that we can fleece...
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I am not sure we are rebuilding.... really so far we've just shipped out the two guys who were most vocal about Drake!
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I too am glad we are holding out for a better deal. We need excellent deals not the usual crappy deals. We need to "Put the White Sox first". If you are trading all star talent you should get excellent players in return.
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I am glad Hahn is sticking to his guns, KW would have caved in by now and taken less.
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I see that SoxFest is about to begin and Loveland's favorite White Sox pitcher is still a member of the Sox. Usually there is a big show and tell at SoxFest. I am surprised he hasn't been unloaded yet.
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I never encountered a woman in my life who didn't think she was right. I think that's par for the course
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Loveland is right.
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Loveland is really Jed Hoyer. I thought everybody knew that.
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And since most posts here are pokes, what's your point?
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That's a poke in the ribs.
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I think opposing team GMs have been reading this site the past few years. Loveland's continuing rant on Q has obviously dropped his value below what Hahn and us Q fans believe.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/quick-hits-quintana-white-sox-sabathia-harper-grichuk.html
Apparently offers for Quintana have improved of late.
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I do not get why Robertson is not worth a lot. Decent contract, still throws hard, he can still close and might be better as setup guy (maybe in his makeup).
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/yankees-white-sox-discussing-david-robertson-as-part-of-quintana-talks.html
Apparently Roberts may be going to NY along with Q.
Not sure how I feel about that... the haul better be monstrous.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago-white-sox
White Sox Want Conforto From Mets For David Robertson
By Mark Polishuk | December 22, 2016 at 7:53am CDT
•The Mets “haven’t made a serious inquiry” about a trade for White Sox closer David Robertson this winter or at the last trade deadline, though New York hasn’t ruled out the possibility, Kristie Ackert of the New York Daily News reports. Chicago would ask for Michael Conforto in any Robertson deal, however, so it could be hard for the two sides to settle on a deal. The White Sox weren’t looking for a big prospect return when they explored moving Robertson at the deadline, Ackert writes, though their current ask of Conforto reflects this offseason’s huge market for relief pitching.
•Also in regards to a possible Robertson trade, since the Mets are unlikely to deal Conforto or another young talent for the closer, Metsblog.com’s Matthew Cerrone proposes that the White Sox should swap Robertson for Jay Bruce if they’re unable to find a team willing to surrender a good prospect for Robertson’s services. The Sox would, if nothing else, save some money in the deal, as Bruce is owed $13MM in 2017 while Robertson is owed $25MM through 2018. Bruce could also become a good trade chip at the deadline, which would allow the White Sox to eventually get the prospect they want. The Mets would be taking on extra salary in this proposed deal, though allocating that money towards a strong relief arm is a better fit for the club than paying for a superfluous corner outfielder.
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Basabe is an unproductive minor leaguer, he's not a future anything. Call is a better prospect.
Thats why I said we needed a CFer earlier.
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I will definitely go against you on that. I like Call, but Basabe may end up being a real stud. Look at his extra base power already, he was in a pitchers league as well. I am almost willing to bet he ends up being the best player in either deal thus far (but I love Lopez). I think Call will be a good player as well, just does not have the ceiling Basabe does.
The other kid who may be a big sleeper is the A ball pitcher from the Bosox, was it Cruz? Anyway, he jumped from DSL to SALLY league and held his own, throws uppers 90s. No one jumps from DSL to SALLY league, that is incredible.
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Basabe is an unproductive minor leaguer, he's not a future anything. Call is a better prospect.
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Hope we get Adam Frazier in any deal with the Buc's. He's really under-rated, but all he does is get the bat on the ball all the time
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Teams are always looking for pitching. I am sure we are going to pick up some hitters for guys like Q, Robertson, Frazier, maybe Abreu. Otherwise, trade some of our young stud pitchers for some young stud hitters.
We picked up our 2Bman of the future and likely our CF of the future in Moncada and Basabe. We have our SS of the future in Anderson. We could use a real good young 3Bman and some corner outfielders. I would really like another future catcher, I am skeptical about Collins and his defense. I would not expect any of these guys in the bigs in 2017 except Anderson.
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Sounds like you still expect to compete. We want to suck. We need to suck big time for 2-3 years. So stop clamoring for better players. Jeesh. This is a complete rebuild, it is how it is done if you want to do it correctly.
Lets talk English instead of double talk here. We got all these players for Eaton and Sale, right? And these players aren't even destined to be major leaguers this year right? And as for talent the players who played for us lately haven't been capable of dragging us out of the cellar, so of course we are going to suck. And who here is saying that if we trade for position players this year they are going to play in Chicago right away? Stop trying to play pin the tail on the donkey. We need to stop trading talent away for 20 pitchers who are stuck in the minors. Last I checked there are 9 positions on the field, not just one. We need talent for all 9 positions. If there are good position players to trade for then we need these too. That's all I am saying.
And as for sucking, I don't see anything we have traded for so far that is going to change the sucking this year.
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Ah luv three-ways
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There's a rumor out there of a potential three-way deal. Quintana to the Pirates, McCutchen to the Yankees, prospects to the White Sox.
FWIW
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Be as awful as you can be, so you get great draft opportunities as well as extra draft money. Not sure it matters anymore for international, but it may. Just for about 2 years. The kids start playing in that 2nd or 3rd year. So still may suck for a couple more years. It should all be worth it in the long run.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/pirates-have-worked-hard-to-deal-for-jose-quintana.html
Q to the Bucs?
The more teams that are rumored to be trading for him, the better....
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Sounds like you still expect to compete. We want to suck. We need to suck big time for 2-3 years. So stop clamoring for better players. Jeesh. This is a complete rebuild, it is how it is done if you want to do it correctly.
Exactly.
"Plugging a hole" = finding someone, preferably with all 4 limbs (not 100% required), to occupy space in the lineup or on the field until prospects are groomed to fill those positions.
The primary goal of the big league club at this point is to give guys a chance to build their value until the next "core" group is ready to perform. Pretty much the only players from the 2016 roster whom I would consider untouchable are Anderson, Fulmer, and Rodon.
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Sounds like you still expect to compete. We want to suck. We need to suck big time for 2-3 years. So stop clamoring for better players. Jeesh. This is a complete rebuild, it is how it is done if you want to do it correctly.
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IMHO we have a lot of needs. I see CF as a big need, eventually C also, and a power bat for RF and LF. Noticing the Pirate deal for a CFer interested me, but I don't think he hits much. 3B is also an issue if they trade Frazier as rumored. Certainly the Pirates are a good landing spot for Q.
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Lot of interest for Q. I like Yanks and Astros thus far, not sure what exact packages are but I like their prospects.
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Yes. That sounds better.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/latest-on-the-rangers-offseason.html
Sox and Rangers have discussed Q. Asking for Profar plus "a lot more."
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Of the prospects traded this offseason, we have gotten 6 of top 7. That sounds better.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/minor-mlb-transactions-122116.html
Purke outrighted to AAA.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/211923248/ranking-prospects-traded-in-mlb-offseason/
MLB.com's Mike Rosenbaum claims the Sox have acquired 6 of the top 7 prospects this offseason
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/pirates-have-worked-hard-to-deal-for-jose-quintana.html
Pirates a possible match for Q.
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Ah luv Wshfl. Keep up the good fight.
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6MM for an innings eater is the going rate, like it or not.
At least we've got a guy occupying space in the rotation to let our young arms develop in AAA or in the bullpen.
That last sentence says it all
I suppose, provided he doesn't have another injury and end up on the disabled list for most of the season. Its a g@mble. A 6mm g@mble he stays healthy I guess. Does that make me like it better? NO. Its still a wooden nickel and I am not buying.
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It's a win-win for Holland - he gets a chance to rebuild his value, and the Sox get a chance to cash in on that higher value.
So I again ask - what's the downside?
It certainly is a win-win for Holland. He finds a sucker to overpay him. So whats the downside? Well considering the direction we are going, down the toilet, maybe just spending 6 mm for nothing means nothing, but IMHO expecting value in return based on his past injury problems is expecting green cheese from the man in the moon. Just don't see the value, period. All I see is pairing Holland with the other star pitcher they have James Shields. It just makes me go UGH. Maybe the value is only innings eaters. But 6 mm for an innings eater seems too high for me. Maybe I just dont like the Koolaid flavor they are serving.
6MM for an innings eater is the going rate, like it or not.
At least we've got a guy occupying space in the rotation to let our young arms develop in AAA or in the bullpen.
That last sentence says it all
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It's a win-win for Holland - he gets a chance to rebuild his value, and the Sox get a chance to cash in on that higher value.
So I again ask - what's the downside?
It certainly is a win-win for Holland. He finds a sucker to overpay him. So whats the downside? Well considering the direction we are going, down the toilet, maybe just spending 6 mm for nothing means nothing, but IMHO expecting value in return based on his past injury problems is expecting green cheese from the man in the moon. Just don't see the value, period. All I see is pairing Holland with the other star pitcher they have James Shields. It just makes me go UGH. Maybe the value is only innings eaters. But 6 mm for an innings eater seems too high for me. Maybe I just dont like the Koolaid flavor they are serving.
6MM for an innings eater is the going rate, like it or not.
At least we've got a guy occupying space in the rotation to let our young arms develop in AAA or in the bullpen.
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It's a win-win for Holland - he gets a chance to rebuild his value, and the Sox get a chance to cash in on that higher value.
So I again ask - what's the downside?
It certainly is a win-win for Holland. He finds a sucker to overpay him. So whats the downside? Well considering the direction we are going, down the toilet, maybe just spending 6 mm for nothing means nothing, but IMHO expecting value in return based on his past injury problems is expecting green cheese from the man in the moon. Just don't see the value, period. All I see is pairing Holland with the other star pitcher they have James Shields. It just makes me go UGH. Maybe the value is only innings eaters. But 6 mm for an innings eater seems too high for me. Maybe I just dont like the Koolaid flavor they are serving.
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Rajai Davis on a 1 year deal is also a great flip candidate.
I buy that. If my memory is correct he had a very good year. Good bat.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/pirates-to-sign-daniel-hudson.html
Hudson to the Pirates.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/yankees-jose-quintana-trade-rumors.html
Yankees interested in Quintana, but it should be noted that they've been talking to every team about pretty much everyone. Either way, the Yankees have a deep enough of a farm system to help us out.
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Yep - this year's team is about trying to take guys off the scrap heap, give them a chance to build up value before July 31, and cash in on their success (hopefully)... then we see how the kids do.
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Someone has to fill Sale's innings... we need more SP arms. any more recycles left? has Holland the RP signed? another good flip candidate.
Rajai Davis on a 1 year deal is also a great flip candidate.
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Arrieta discovered steroids too,
<Snicker>
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Eeyore-ish attitude.
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Reminds me of Jiminy Cricket, "When you wish upon a star it makes no difference who you are". Good luck with your wishing.
Maybe just wishful thinking on our part.
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What looks and smells like manure is manure. This looks like manure to me. Good luck getting a quality prospect out of manure. And since when have the Sox been great talent evaluators? Count me as very skeptical.
OK, so he sucks. We've wasted $6M on him, and we get a better draft pick in return.
The moves Hahn is making are consistent with the direction of the team. The team isn't going anywhere in 2017, so why not take the money originally owed to Sale and Eaton and allocate it to guys like Holland? It's a win-win for Holland - he gets a chance to rebuild his value, and the Sox get a chance to cash in on that higher value.
So I again ask - what's the downside?
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Reminds me of Jiminy Cricket, "When you wish upon a star it makes no difference who you are". Good luck with your wishing.
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What looks and smells like manure is manure. This looks like manure to me. Good luck getting a quality prospect out of manure. And since when have the Sox been great talent evaluators? Count me as very skeptical.
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Exactly what I want us to do Juan. Just like Theo did, turn crap into kids. Of course, Arrieta discovered steroids too, that did not hurt.
Bill, Holland has not always sucked. This is what we have to do. Pick up scraps and hope some pan out so we can trade them for more kids. We want to be lousy, but we need some guys to have good seasons so we can unload for more. We all wanted a rebuild, we gots to do it right.
Now, where my money and why my lip all busted up
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unfortunately Holland really sucks
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msf, a few years ago, the Cubs had a one year rental Scott Feldman, who had a decent first half and they then tunred him into Jake Arrieta. If Holland can return close to previous form, we might get some prospect out of it.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/white-sox-designate-matt-purke.html?fv-home=true&post-id=80577
Purke DFA'd
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White Sox sign Derek Holland to 1-year, $6 million deal
Why so much? Hasn't stayed healthy. Even if Hahn unloads him he isn't going to get much because its a one year deal.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-sign-left-hander-derek-holland-to-1-year-deal/
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Get a good half season out of him and unload him for more prospects.
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It’ll be a one-year deal, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News tweets. It’s a done deal, per MLB.com’s TR Sullivan (via Twitter).
Holland will receive a $6MM guarantee with $2MM in incentives, Grant reports (via Twitter).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/white-sox-nearing-deal-with-derek-holland.html
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Probably need to wait a bit for the FA market to settle before Hahn can get max value for the ancillary pieces (Frazier, Robertson, etc). No need to rush trading Quintana, either.
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That is calling a spade a spade Sox Rule. Agreed. Boring it is.
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Man, it's been several days and Hahn hasn't made another masterful trade yet. Borrrrrrr-ing. ;D
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No grammar for you, to the end of the line scumbag.
(he has gotten me on the same thing, I have caught myself a few times since)
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ok mr grammer nazi.
no grammar nazi. Just a pet peeve when resign/re-sign are incorrectly substituted for each other since they mean the OPPOSITE of each other.
It would be a real bummer if you posted "Kenny Williams resigns with the White Sox" with a link, only to click on it and find they gave him another contract extension. :'( :'(
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ok mr grammer nazi.
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Nationals just lost out on Jensen, who is returning to the dodgers. So lets hope robertson has his bags packed and on the ready to move to the DC area.
Turner resigns with the Dodgers, so that removes one suitor for his services.
He didn't quit (resign). He agreed to re-sign with the Dodgers.
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Nationals just lost out on Jensen, who is returning to the dodgers. So lets hope robertson has his bags packed and on the ready to move to the DC area.
Turner resigns with the Dodgers, so that removes one suitor for his services.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/white-sox-asked-astros-for-musgrove-martes-tucker-in-return-for-jose-quintana.html
Something to read
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Good point.
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The Avifail Garcia "experiment" is over. Now it's the Avifail Garcia dumpster fire march to the #1 pick.
heh. He is such a chode.
The chode is going to make 3 mill this year... if everything goes perfect i might earn that much in my entire life.
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They re-signed him for one year avoiding arbitration
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The Avifail Garcia "experiment" is over. Now it's the Avifail Garcia dumpster fire march to the #1 pick.
heh. He is such a chode.
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Where the Sox are now is closer to the playoffs than they were four days ago thanks to the boldness of Hahn, the busiest man in Chicago sports this week and the boldest GM at the winter meetings. A weary but wired Hahn returned to his office Thursday to continue an awkward victory lap after hitting his stride as the Sox executive empowered finally to try a long-range approach.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-rick-hahn-rebuilding-haugh-spt-1209-20161208-column.html#nt=oft03a-1la1
I don't buy that. And how many years will it take to even get to the playoffs, even if they do? If they sell off more vets it could resemble the Cubs 5 year plan. I believe that article is just too optimistic.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/nationals-discuss-david-robertson-with-white-sox.html
Sox discussing a possible Robertson trade with Nats....
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The Avifail Garcia "experiment" is over. Now it's the Avifail Garcia dumpster fire march to the #1 pick.
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We trade pitching prospect for some bats at some point. We cannot protect all these kids, so we either trade some eventually or in a couple years we have so many we lose them in Rule V draft. heh
That's what it looks like to me too. Cant stockpile forever. Rules wont let them. OTOH, not all this talent is going to make it to the big leagues, there will be attrition, but you have to draft well and be able to judge talent. Sox haven't had a good track record on that.
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That is the point Wshfl... #1 draft pick and highest draft pool for a couple years.
Exactly, we want to be the worst team in the league for 2 or 3 years now. Otherwise why do this?
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so.... who goes next?
Quien sabe. While I agree that pitching wins championships and pitching is nice to acquire, where are the bats besides Moncada? We have a farm system void of ML talent. Position player of greatest need could be CF and then catcher.
We trade pitching prospect for some bats at some point. We cannot protect all these kids, so we either trade some eventually or in a couple years we have so many we lose them in Rule V draft. heh
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If they do trade off some of it, I just doubt its the Cubs.
The Sox would never trade a superstar like Sale to the Cubs (unless they for some reason lost their minds and wanted to massively overpay). But I wonder if they would consider prospect for prospect trades? We give them our top pitching prospect for their top hitting prospect. Probably would never happen but it was a thought. I know the Cubs will be flush with money when they get their new tv deal but if they were to sign FA pitchers it will be extremely costly on top of the huge, huge payout they'll have to give Kris Bryant a few years later.
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Interesting from the Trib:
The plan for a complete overhaul, which began with the trades of Chris Sale and Adam Eaton this week, means Renteria won’t quite know what his first Sox squad will look like until spring training. After the Sox selected right-handed pitcher Dylan Covey in the Rule 5 draft, general manager Rick Hahn said he was still “deeply engaged” with several teams about more moves, which very well could include closer David Robertson, third baseman Todd Frazier and left-hander Jose Quintana.
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Robertson the (G)Nats? "Nationals Discuss David Robertson With White Sox"
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago-white-sox
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I definitely want to see some big time bats added as well. Quintana is the obvious last key player that can bring back a big haul of position prospects but there's also building through the draft since the Sox should be bad enough next year to warrant a high pick (and most likely again in 2018). They can also trade some of this elite prospect pitching they're loading up on now for hitting later. The Cubs are very thin on pitching prospects so maybe there's something that can be worked out on that front?
That's an interesting idea, If they do trade off some of it, I just doubt its the Cubs. Who knows, I could be wrong (as usual). Hahn seems different. He might trade with the Cubs, but I don't believe he will just trade to help the Cubs. If it benefits both teams he might. I believe he knows that in order to win the fan battle in Chicago he better win any trades with the Cubs.
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I saw that Rule 5 pickup. Interesting. Here is another link:
http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-add-pitcher-dylan-covey-rule-5-draft
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Took Dylan Covey in Rule 5 draft.
As a senior at Pasadena’s Maranatha High School, Covey was widely regarded as an elite pitching prospect, whose control of both plus pitches – fastball and a power curve – as well as solid execution of his changeup, led him to be projected to go in the first round of the 2010 draft. The Milwaukee Brewers called his name with the 14th pick overall. One pick ahead of him, the White Sox chose some lefty from Florida Gulf Coast named Chris Sale.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/12/8/13882580/white-sox-select-rhp-dylan-covey-in-the-rule-5-draft
and
http://www.scout.com/mlb/athletics/story/1735912-a-s-2016-afl-season-in-review
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where are the bats besides Moncada?
I definitely want to see some big time bats added as well. Quintana is the obvious last key player that can bring back a big haul of position prospects but there's also building through the draft since the Sox should be bad enough next year to warrant a high pick (and most likely again in 2018). They can also trade some of this elite prospect pitching they're loading up on now for hitting later. The Cubs are very thin on pitching prospects so maybe there's something that can be worked out on that front?
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That is the point Wshfl... #1 draft pick and highest draft pool for a couple years.
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Denver signed Desmond to Play 1b.
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As for who's next, probably Frazier or Abreau. I heard Denver is after a 1Bman. If Frazier and Abreau go this team will be a punch and judy team. This team wont win 50 games next year. No pitching or hitting.
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It'll be ok. As JJ used to say if they arnt going to be good, be comically bad. They are going to be comically bad at some point this year after the selloff.
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After Eaton's defensive gems in RF this year, I am very sad to see him go. Best RFer I saw. Good bat too. After that I am very unhappy to see the Avasail experiment continue.
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so.... who goes next?
Quien sabe. While I agree that pitching wins championships and pitching is nice to acquire, where are the bats besides Moncada? We have a farm system void of ML talent. Position player of greatest need could be CF and then catcher.
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If we had ate the 30+ million for Moncada we likely could have gotten another prospect.
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Agreed, good return for Eaton.
Still bummed we didn't get more for Sale.
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Why would the Nats give up 3 stud pitchers for Eaton???? Amazing, did not think we would get much for him. Giolito is not the #1 pitching prospect is he? Maybe top 10 but he lost velocity late last year, hoping not re-occurance of his arm injury in HS. Lopez should fit into end of rotation, and Dunning was their 1st rounder this season.
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Gio has been sliding in a lot of folks eyes. But that is a great return for Eaton for sure.
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Why would the Nats give up 3 stud pitchers for Eaton???? Amazing, did not think we would get much for him. Giolito is not the #1 pitching prospect is he? Maybe top 10 but he lost velocity late last year, hoping not re-occurance of his arm injury in HS. Lopez should fit into end of rotation, and Dunning was their 1st rounder this season.
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we are going to need warm bodies in the rotation... bring him on. Lets give the other Holland a shot as well in the BP.
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Frazier, I'm guessing.
Apparently the Sox are interested in Derek Holland... probably to give him somewhere to re-build his value, then (hopefully) trade him for a couple of buckets of spare parts midseason.
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so.... who goes next?
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Low T? ;D
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If we'd gotten Devers instead of Kopech... i'd be so much happier with that deal.
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Didn't see anybody bring up that Michael Kopech was suspended 50 games for "testing postive for a banned substance" in July 2015:
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/136974046/red-sox-prospect-michael-kopech-suspended/
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"Don't stop now boys"
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If this keeps up, you'll be hearing on opening day, Gene Honda announcing "batting 3rd and playing right fielder - Avisail Garcia! ...and batting cleanup, the designated hitter - Dayan Viciedo!" ::) ::)
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(G)Nats must be desperate.... That's a lot of talent. Maybe Q to the Stros
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Congrats on the past 2 days...you all have a lot to look forward to next season...
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Can't believe they got all that for Eaton! What a lovely day!
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on the other hand.. if somehow the Astros want to get desperate and offer up Bergman + Reed for Q make it happen.
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Keep Q and trade him at the deadline. Someone will need an SP at that point. Same with Robertson and Jones. someone will need a RP.
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So Hector Santiago and Brandon Jacobs for them.
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That is a good trade!
Eaton for Gio and Lopez is a great deal.
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Why stop now??
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Nice. I like the Eaton deal... a lot.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/white-sox-trade-adam-eaton-nationals.html?fv-home=true&post-id=79853
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They've won me back. Cant wait to get to the park
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With the prospect haul we already have, I'd keep Quintana. Trade off Robertson, Cabrera and Lawrie.
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Eaton to the Nats for Giolito, Lopez and Dunning. A hell of a trio of pitching prospects. They now have the best position prospect and best pitching prospect in the game. Hope Quintana goes for some high impact bats next.
Ben Badler @BenBadler 5m5 minutes ago
The White Sox have gone from one of the game's worst farm systems to one of the best in 48 hours.
Joel Sherman @Joelsherman1 2m2 minutes ago Arlington, VA
#Whitesox have a chance to leave this offseason going from among worst to among best farm systems if keep going, commit fully to rebuild
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/12/white-sox-talking-jose-quintana-trades-with-astros-nationals-other-teams.html?fv-home=true&post-id=79723
Astros and Nats in on Q talks.
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What MSF said.
Build from the bottom up.
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Boston is the winner short term but hopefully the White Sox are even happier with this trade long term. I would have liked one more high impact prospect added to the deal but it's almost unanimous around baseball that Chicago got a haul. Maybe we're just too close to the situation and feel like we should have received more. But I'll trust the baseball experts to know that Hahn did very, very well in this. Time will tell.
And it shows you what having a good farm system can do for a team. Boston was able to pull this off without hurting their major league roster. The even more amazing thing to me is that they've built a good farm without having to purposely tank for several years! That's the true sign of a good front office/scouting department, something I also wish the White Sox had.
MSF... Moncada cost them 63 Million after the penalty for going over slot... that is a lot of $$$.
Not for some teams. It got them Chris Sale and makes them the AL favorites. 63M well spend IMHO.
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Bill, Moncada is a stud. I do not care what he hit in AA. As a matter of fact, he did pretty good, after doing real well in High A ball. All in his 2nd year. Switch hitter, stole 45 bases and has gap power, 20-20 guy most likely if not more. Hopefully he can play D, 2B is supposed to be his position more so than 3B. He has great eye and patience, OBP thus far is extraordinary. Cripes, most call him #1 prospect out there, how can you not like him. Start him out in AA or AAA and bring him up if he deserves it midseason.
Kopech throws hard, also has a slider and change. Most like him in rotation but some say he might be a stud closer. He is a a couple years away, but he did real well in limited innings this year and also did very well in Arizona Fall League. In the AFL it appeared his command had improved quite a bit (thus some wanting him to close, but we have Burdi to do that). Had some questionable decisions in his actions, but nothing that makes it appear his is out of control or Jenks-like.
Basabe did not hit for high average, but I liked his numbers, appeared like a gap hitter. I do not know a lot about him yet, hoping he is a CF and can play D. Hope he can improve OBP.
Cruz I knew nothing about, and I was not excited at all when I saw his numbers in Low A ball. Then I read more, heard how hard he throws and then the biggest plus I see in this kid, he went from DSL to Low A ball and competed well. He is 6:03 and 190 pounds already throwing very, very hard. I changed my mind, he was only ranked 28 in Bosox org cause he pitched in the pen in Low A ball.
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Boston is the winner short term but hopefully the White Sox are even happier with this trade long term. I would have liked one more high impact prospect added to the deal but it's almost unanimous around baseball that Chicago got a haul. Maybe we're just too close to the situation and feel like we should have received more. But I'll trust the baseball experts to know that Hahn did very, very well in this. Time will tell.
And it shows you what having a good farm system can do for a team. Boston was able to pull this off without hurting their major league roster. The even more amazing thing to me is that they've built a good farm without having to purposely tank for several years! That's the true sign of a good front office/scouting department, something I also wish the White Sox had.
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MSF... Moncada cost them 63 Million after the penalty for going over slot... that is a lot of $$$.
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why do you like the trade?
I could be wrong, but I think Boston is the big winner.
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So we get 3 players from Boston who were signed from outside of the draft, Kopech is only one that came via that method. So the Bosox turned those 3 players and a 1st rounder into a 20 game winner (if we had a pen and an offense the past two years he would have won 20 easily).
This is what I have screamed about the past 20 years for cripes sake. Sign kids from the Caribbean and use them, along with draft picks, to trade for what you need. It is money so well spent I just have no idea why they have refused to spend in the draft and for International players.
I like the trade, just sucks that we had to do it. You draft a guy like Sale once every couple of eons, would have been nice to have had a team around him.
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Not all at once, but over the next 5 months. Then we lose a lot of games for 1.5-2 years and accumulate some high draft picks. With JR getting changes in the international market and being allowed to trade those $$$ we should be more competitive with other teams in terms of acquiring young talent.
Wish they would have started this process 5 years ago. My fear now is that with the cubs' championship and the possibility of them either playing in, or God help us, winning another one in the next couple years the local media and fan interest in the Sox will be non-existent. We all know the cubs had a hold on the city even when they were losing so I think this will almost completely obliterate the Sox. By the time the Sox acquire all this young talent they'll probably have to move to the team and another city will get to enjoy the immediate rewards while we suffer through the rebuild part.
Okay, I know that's a Debbie Downer take but I don't think it's completely unrealistic. People will counter with the sweetheart stadium deal as well as the Chicago tv market still being better than anywhere the team could move to but I don't know if even that's enough to keep a team here that no one has any interest in.
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I also think the return was a bit light. I think we should have not backed off asking on Devers over a Diaz.... i think we held the cards and could have just waited dombrowski out... if not him someone else will pay for the ace pitcher.
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Now you trade Jones, Eaton, Abreu, Frazier, Q, Robertson if someone will take him. Hopefully we go after players with above avg hit tools for a change as we def went after high ceiling players in the Sale trade.
Not all at once, but over the next 5 months. Then we lose a lot of games for 1.5-2 years and accumulate some high draft picks. With JR getting changes in the international market and being allowed to trade those $$$ we should be more competitive with other teams in terms of acquiring young talent.
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I heard some SCORE BS on Sunday with conversation with Bruce Levine. Who said what I am not sure, but it was discussed the possibility of trading James Shields in a package deal with some player or players some team wanted as a condition for the deal. Cant see that flying but the talk basically was like the Sox weren't going to be very successful trading, but what would you expect on the Cub flagship station.
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It can't mimic the cubs talent sell off - the cubs had no talent. Cubs traded garbage and got gold.
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Well I am of the opinion that maybe the glass is half empty. I don't believe we got the motherload of talent that some experts say. But on the other side this meltdown is just beginning. It appears for what I read that they aren't going to stop with just Sale. This is going to go very deep and mimic the Cubs talent selloff. At least it likely will if others are willing to part with what Hahn is after.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-not-done-dealing-after-sale-trade/
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I've looked at the stats of the 4 guys we got & I'm just surprised & disappointed we didn't get more. We needed to win this trade, it doesn't look like we did.
What now?
Trading Abreu & Quintana doesn't make sense - we control them for the next 4 years.
Frazier & Melky only have a year left so trade them. Robertson sucks, trade him. That's about it.
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I haeded over to the Winter meetings today for a couple of hours. Saw all the beat writers walking around, Justice, Bowden, Rosenthal, John Sherman, etc (even saw Chuck Garfine). I was heading down an escalator and noticed Ken Rosenthal rushing down the stairs past me. Kevin Millar was heading up the same escalator, and yelled at Ken to get to the Red Sox Suite cuz "something big was hapening soon". I stayed up with Ken but when he got to the elevators, I backed off. He was furiously working his phone, and I noticed a minute later, his tweet that Sale is likely going to the Red Sox. Mad Dog Russo was about the start his live show, and then it was announced.
That was a cool lunch break!
As for the deal, I am with 100%++ on it. Sharpie and Method can see the glass half empty, but when the vast majority of the top evaluators say RH hauled a ton, I'm with them. At least now, there is hope. The Nats were never going to give up Turner, who they consider their best player now, andthe only othere shot was Bregman, but the Astros screwed up IMP.
Winter meetings are a lot cooler than Soxfest!!!
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I think I got my answer from Hahn in the Suntimes:
Sale likely won’t be the only one, and he doesn’t have to be the first to go for others to fall in line, Hahn said. Left-hander Jose Quintana is also a possibility, and if he and Sale are that means everyone is. In explaining why second baseman Brett Lawrie was re-signed over the weekend, Hahn pointed to Lawrie’s flexibility to play third base – which might suggest Todd Frazier, who becomes a free agent after next season, will be playing for another team.
Didn't Lawrie prove to be a bit brittle in 2016?
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Keith Law: White Sox strike prospect gold in Chris Sale trade
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More: Yoan Moncada is arguably the best prospect in baseball. Michael Kopech has thrown 105 mph. White Sox got enormous ceiling in the Sale deal. "Kopech is a top-10 pitching prospect in baseball, maybe top 5."
-- @jimcallisMLB on new White Sox righty Michael Kopech
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One evaluator on the group of prospects the White Sox got from Boston: "No way anyone else was close to that offer."
Buddy who reads all the stuff sent that
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Moncada going to play 2B, only played at 3rd due to Bosox need last year.
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One could make a decent argument that the we got less for Sale then the Braves got for Miller last year.
Swanson is a top 10 prospect in his own right, and they got Incairte in that deal. We didnt get anything Major League ready....
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We got Raw ceiling type players. Instead of high hit tool low risk guys. Its normal sox behavior.
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Let's see ... a 2nd baseman who hit .277 at AA.
A power arm that has never thrown more that 65 innings in a year despite being a starter.
A CF who hit .258 at low A.
And a single A relief pitcher.
And people are excited? Really?
Just hope all are kept in the minors next year.
Sox will definitely have to learn how draft.
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I would expect Moncada to start in the minors and stay there until we get that extra year of service time.
If Frazier goes, your 3B options include Lawrie, Davidson, Saladino, and the ever-popular PTBNL.
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Word has it the Dodgers are interested in Fraizer. If he goes, who plays 3rd? Moncada?
Brett Lawrie or Tyler Saladino. Matt Davidson is also still on their 40-man roster so he's a possibility to start there. Especially if they "back up the truck" and unload some more of their better players.
Or maybe they sign free agent Justin Turner and lose their 1st round pick (#12 overall) in the upcoming June draft.
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Word has it the Dodgers are interested in Fraizer. If he goes, who plays 3rd? Moncada?
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Neither are showing up on any of the lists i visit.
Diaz is a 22 year old P in Single A
Basabe is a 20 year old advanced A CF
Puke. No Benintendi or bergman. Project that cant hit a breaking ball in Moncada... Kopech and 2 no names.
You've lobbied for six months or more for the White Sox to trade Chris Sale and now you're not happy on what they got in return.
I'm shocked. ::) ::)
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also from fangraphs our top prospects before this trade.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-21-prospects-chicago-white-sox/
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Fangraphs takes they like Moncada a lot more then me.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-the-white-sox-monster-return-for-chris-sale/
what it does for the red sox
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-sale-makes-the-red-sox-the-al-team-to-beat/
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tweets from @whitesox:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzBa4YZVQAAHLYZ.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzBlzuGXUAArCYY.jpg)
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No bird in the hand. Hurrrrmph.
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I hope the kid has a bigger frame than what his measurable say at 6' and 160. That's mighty thin. He needs about 20 lbs of upper body, but at 21 I suppose he is capable of gaining some upper body strength.
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I grasp that he is young... but did ya guys see him in his cup of joe in September? he was terrrrrrible. All tools no baseball sense.
Not disagreeing that he looked like poop... but he's 21, walks at a good rate, and has good power.
I'm just saying... if you give up sale... get atleast ONE Major league hitter that can hit a breaking ball... like a Bergman or a Benintendi.
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Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 20m20 minutes ago
One evaluator on the group of prospects the White Sox got from Boston: "No way anyone else was close to that offer."
Consensus around baseball seems to think White Sox did really, really well.
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I grasp that he is young... but did ya guys see him in his cup of joe in September? he was terrrrrrible. All tools no baseball sense.
Not disagreeing that he looked like poop... but he's 21, walks at a good rate, and has good power.
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I grasp that he is young... but did ya guys see him in his cup of joe in September? he was terrrrrrible. All tools no baseball sense.
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Kids that K 30% in AA while having awesome tools isnt crushing it... same old sox.
He also walks at a 12~15% clip. .395 minor league OBP.
He's also 21.
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Kids that K 30% in AA while having awesome tools isnt crushing it... same old sox.
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Neither are showing up on any of the lists i visit.
Diaz is a 22 year old P in Single A
Basabe is a 20 year old advanced A CF
Puke. No Benintendi or bergman. Project that cant hit a breaking ball in Moncada... Kopech and 2 no names.
Everyone loves this trade but you
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Ken RosenthalVerified account
@Ken_Rosenthal
BREAKING: Sale to #RedSox. Moncada, Kopech and two other prospects to #WhiteSox.
Have to see who the other 2 prospects are but can't believe they got Moncada!!!
Hahn crushed it.
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Thinking Quintana could end up with Nationals now.
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Basabe is my guy! Bah-Sah-bee...
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George Ofman @georgeofman 8m8 minutes ago
Just told everyone on the Sox available for trade and they could make several more before meeting end Thursday.
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Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 5m5 minutes ago
Yoan Moncada is arguably the best prospect in baseball. Michael Kopech has thrown 105 mph. White Sox got enormous ceiling in the Sale deal.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 2m2 minutes ago
White Sox get a big haul from BOS
Joe Sheehan @joe_sheehan 13m13 minutes ago
Basabe, too? Damn. Someone buy Rick Hahn the good stuff.
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Neither are showing up on any of the lists i visit.
Diaz is a 22 year old P in Single A
Basabe is a 20 year old advanced A CF
Puke. No Benintendi or bergman. Project that cant hit a breaking ball in Moncada... Kopech and 2 no names.
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Jeff Passan @JeffPassan 5m5 minutes ago
Yoan Moncada is arguably the best prospect in baseball. Michael Kopech has thrown 105 mph. White Sox got enormous ceiling in the Sale deal.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 2m2 minutes ago
White Sox get a big haul from BOS
Joe Sheehan @joe_sheehan 13m13 minutes ago
Basabe, too? Damn. Someone buy Rick Hahn the good stuff.
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#1, 5, 8, 28:
http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=bos
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The other two are Luis Basabe and Victor Diaz.
If Basabe makes it, his name should be pronounced like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP3XaAqDwZ0
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Sale to the Bosox per Rosenthal; Moncada + Koepsh and 2 other pieces coming our way.
I'm dissapointed. I think Moncada is a massive project. prefered the polished bat of Andrew B.
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Robertson + Sale + 5 million for Turner + Robles + Difo + Stevenson.
We hold the magic bullet. BoSox need SP and ar eup against the luxury tax threshold. If Nats dont want to include Turner, focus on Andrew B based package from bosox or a Bergman + reed package from Astros.
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Ken RosenthalVerified account
@Ken_Rosenthal
BREAKING: Sale to #RedSox. Moncada, Kopech and two other prospects to #WhiteSox.
Have to see who the other 2 prospects are but can't believe they got Moncada!!!
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Rosenthal tweet
Sources: Legitimate chance of Sale trade to #Nationals. Robles, Giolito would go to #WhiteSox. Teams haggling over final pieces in deal.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal
That's a fair deal. Two top 10 prospects. Nats aren't stupid. No way they include Tre.
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Another rumor I saw was Abreau to Denver. Didn't say what for, but that they need a 1Bman. Yeah we'd be losing a power bat but it might improve the infield defense. Who knows.
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I like the idea of bats only for Sale, but pitching and defense wins championships. And like the Cubs defensive speed kills.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
dont make a trade where the key piece is a over hyped pitcher. trade sale for bats only.
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Rosenthal tweet
Sources: Legitimate chance of Sale trade to #Nationals. Robles, Giolito would go to #WhiteSox. Teams haggling over final pieces in deal.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal
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I think they want to move Sale as they think he is arm injury waiting to happen, so now watch them trade him and Q will go down in ST
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Giolito is overhyped.
if its not built around Turner and Robles it'll suck. I wish they would move Q before they move Sale.
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If Washington's trade offer doesn't included all three of Trea Turner, Lucas Giolito and Victor Robles; it's not enough.
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Supposedly we are in hot talks with the Nats about Sale:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-chris-sale-white-sox-winter-meetings-spt-1206-20161205-story.html#nt=oft02a-1la1
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(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0523%2Fmlb_g_sale1x_608x342.jpg&w=570)
MLB Hot Stove Trade Rumors: Here are the six teams in hot pursuit of Chris Sale
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-stove-trade-rumors-here-are-the-six-teams-in-hot-pursuit-of-chris-sale/
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Fowler's camp thinks they can get 18 mil/yr, which we won't do, so forget that.
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Fearless prediction time:
When the dust settles, Melky, Abreu and Robertson will be the ones gone in trades.
We will sign Fowler.
Abreu will be traded to the Brewers for Braun, a prospect and a little cash.
Robertson will be traded to the Giants for 3 prospects.
Cabrera goes to the Padres for Derek Norris and Ryan Buchter.
Interesting article from the summer on Norris:
http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/71908/defensive-player-of-the-month-padres-c-derek-norris
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Yes, we do need a catcher.
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Meh indeed. Tejas has noting that is interesting...
Something to read. Can we get flowers back?
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/where-chris-sales-numbers-fell-off-a-cliff/
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http://www.lonestarball.com/2016/11/28/13763030/texas-rangers-rumors-rougned-odor-chris-sale-chicago-white-sox
Rangers rumored to be offering a package centered around Rougned Odor.... to which I say "meh."
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That's what they said about AJP too...
Any interest in bringing this guy back?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hudsoda01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
We are the White Sox. We'll take anybody
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wouldn't touch Puig. Absolute disaster in the making.
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However, they need some better relief pitching, better than Fat Albers. Canning his butt made me happy. I also was disappointed with Nate Jones and he was a pre-injury favorite of mine. That said, they better improve that bullpen.
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All I remember mostly was butchering his name, and associating him with that rotgut Boone Farms trash.
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Wishful would just love getting Boo-nay againl
I don't recall having a lovefest for Boone Logan.
My bad, I recall you disliking him quite a bit, could not get rid of him soon enough. Must have been someone else.
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The fact that we didn't sign Jason Castro, one of the top defensive catchers (and framers) in baseball, for $8 mill per year, when tendering Avi, and either tendoring or trading Lawrie, would pay for that tells me we are in for a rebuild. Problem is, what if we can't get offers in return for what Sale and others should bring in? Now on top of this, there is the added complication of a potential CBA issue, with a threatened lockout on Dec 1st, which may freeze all trades and FA signings.
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Wishful would just love getting Boo-nay againl
I don't recall having a lovefest for Boone Logan.
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Yes on Hudson.
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That's what they said about AJP too...
Any interest in bringing this guy back?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hudsoda01.shtml?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
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I am with Blackie, why take a guy on like Puig. I do not care how talented he is, if he was a decent guy I would think Abreu might be mentioning picking him up, I never hear that. I do not think anyone likes the guy.
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Frazier for Puig, they need a 3bman. Puig is a cancer but he's got talent. ideal scenario he shows up does well and we trade him off in a year.
There is also the chance that he ruins the team chemistry and we end up with the 1st over all pick... so win win.
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Sure, trade two crummy guys for a bad tude.
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I'd be willing to take a chance on Puig for Lawrie and Avi
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Agree. Cant see Sox wanting his act here
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OMG - stop with the Puig nonsense. The guy is a total bust and a clubhouse cancer.
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Is this enough? Might need to add one more player from the Dodgers:
The White Sox are willing to listen to offers for just about all of their players, and industry sources regard them and the Dodgers as perfect trading partners, according to Yahoo Sports’ Jeff Passan (Twitter links). Ace Chris Sale, third baseman Todd Frazier and closer David Robertson are among the players Chicago could move, and all of them fit the Dodgers’ needs, notes Passan. Meanwhile, the White Sox like several Dodgers – outfielder Yasiel Puig and prospects Cody Bellinger, Alex Verdugo, Jose DeLeon and Willie Calhoun – so it seems the two sides could line up for some sort of deal this offseason.
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We were expecting Bradley from Red Sox, so I would expect Puig would be part of deal with Dodgers as well.
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Dodgers have plenty to trade. Stud OFer, pitchers
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That is my hope as well. I really want Benintendi and Devers as part of the package. Kopech and his 100+ mph fastball would be sweet too. Just have to hope Dombrowski will pull the trigger.
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Red Sox.
Andrew B they will trade. There is no way dodgers trade us Seager so this would be built around Bellinger and Urias.
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Twitter source:
#WhiteSox and #Dodgers potentially discussing mega-deal involving Chris Sale, Todd Frazier
So who can put together the better (realistic) package for Chris Sale? Dodgers or Red Sox? I think the Cubs could but won't give up what's necessary (and no, not talking about Bryant).
From what I've read it just seems like, though several teams may have interest and good prospects, the Dodgers and Red Sox have the best to offer.
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Wishful would just love getting Boo-nay againl
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Boo-ne Logan? Again?
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The list of MLB TradeRumors.com's Top 50 Free-Agents are up and their prediction on which teams will sign them.
For the White Sox they're guessing catcher Jason Castro, LH reliever Boone Logan and Carlos Beltran to sign as the 2017 White Sox DH:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/2016-17-top-50-mlb-free-agents-predictions.html
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Agree
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Fire KW first please.
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While no one wants to tear down a potential contender, this is a great market to be shopping premium talent, given the lack of quality free agents and the shortage of sellers with desirable players to move. Without alternatives to compete against, sellers with elite players to move could ask for absurd returns, and might actually get them from desperate buyers who are focused solely on the short-term upgrade. And that set of circumstances puts the White Sox in a particularly great position to make sure the Hot Stove Season runs through the south side of Chicago.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-team-that-will-run-the-winter/
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“White Sox GM Rick Hahn is open for business on just about his entire roster,” more than one general manager tells Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/11/al-central-notes-holland-twins-white-sox-hahn-tigers.html
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I thought at one time I read that Abreu would not want to play with him, but I would hope they would discuss with him before doing anything.
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that's the word - bigtime.
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So he's a clubhouse cancer?
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supposedly everyone on the Dodgers dislikes him - I mean everyone.
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If the Dodgers want to get rid of him that badly why would we want him? The Sox have enough issues as it is. Is he worth the headaches?
Does he have a son he insists on coming to work every day?
Does he have an aversion to certain types of uniforms? Does he have access to sharp objects?
Does he have a propensity to deride certain reporters by using un-PC slurs?
Does he openly complain about Asian players getting preferential treatment?
Will he cause a stink when he's deemed to have "diminished skills?"
Is he a clubhouse cancer who reportedly punched a trainer in the groin?
Ahh, what else have we seen....?
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Rule, its because Puig is too talented and we have a good record with Cuban players. We are a known conduit for Cuban players.
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Yes
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If the Dodgers want to get rid of him that badly why would we want him? The Sox have enough issues as it is. Is he worth the headaches?
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9:40pm: USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (via Twitter) that the White Sox attempted to claim Puig, but he did not make it to them on waivers. That would indicate that either a National League team or one of the few American League teams with a worse record than the ChiSox won the claim.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/yasiel-puig-claimed-on-revocable-waivers-likelihood-of-deal-unknown.html
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I agree with ISF. If nothing else, he could be good trade bait in the off season for the claiming club if the Dodgers let him go.
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I'd take him in a heartbeat, but Dodgers would pull him back. Likely they'll wait until offseason to deal him when they can probably generate more interest.
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Puig, anybody here want him?
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/dodgers-reportedly-place-embattled-outfielder-yasiel-puig-on-trade-waivers/
Looks like anybody who wants him can have him.
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Dioner Navarro traded to Toronto for LHP Colton Turner:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/197828950/white-sox-acquire-left-hander-colton-turner/
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Reinsdorf needs to throw a sh*t ton of $$$ at John McDonough and have him run the whole shebang.
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And Dombrowski should definitely be a candidate to replace KW. No question.
What?? This is Dombrowski's first year with the Red Sox. I assume (#1) he's on a contract and (#2) why would he leave a team like the Red Sox with an open checkbook for the White Sox? That's not happening. KW definitely needs to go, though....no argument there.
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Dombrowski will not work for Reinsdorf (JR let Hawk can Dombrowski way back when Hawk was the GM)
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Personally, I don't think there was sufficient time to mull that offer over since it seems to have happened right before the deadline and for whatever reason the Sox weren't thrilled by the offer. It doesn't appear the talent was there. It appears the talent was lessened and was supplanted with cash. I can see why it didn't sit well with the Sox. Perhaps after the season ends talks may resume in November and both sides may change their positions and a deal gets done. It appears the Red Sox were hoping for a fire sale at a bargain price and we wouldn't bite.
On the other hand, KW's position with the Sox should be on thin ice. While JR has been supportive of KW on the surface the handwriting should make it clear that a change of scenery is necessary. And Dombrowski should definitely be a candidate to replace KW. No question.
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So the final package would be something like Travis (or Devers or Benintendi), Espinoza, Craig, $18 million, and two others for Sale.
I would not have taken that package for Sale. Bet that 18M was tempting to our cheap owner however.
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Sounds like i'd read on the cubs board. compelling, but total bs.
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If this Red Sox fan's blog (over the Monster) is true, no wonder why no deal for Sale materialized
So the final package would be something like Travis (or Devers or Benintendi), Espinoza, Craig, $18 million, and two others for Sale.
(Side note: Craig has basically become a "the Aristocrats!" style punchline to any and all trade rumors.)
That offer hit Twitter, and of course generated no shortage of reactions, and so here we are.
The thing about that proposal is: it's not completely crazy. Well, at least not in some ways. That it provisionally centers on Sam Travis, giving him all the stock of a Benintendi or Devers based on spring training is perhaps just a concession to more casual fans/readers, but certainly wouldn't fly in reality.
Still, if the package seems light even with Benintendi or Devers in Travis' place, it's actually about what Sale's value should be at right now, taking all factors into account. Assuming whatever team he's on picks up both team options, Sale will be owed just north of $47 million over the next four years. That's an incredible bargain for a player of his talent, which does give us a pretty high baseline to start from.
But the fact is that recent history works against the White Sox here. 2015 was the worst season of Sale's career by a fair margin in terms of results, as he pitched to a 3.41 ERA in 208 innings. Certainly a productive season, but not at the level expected of him.
The peripherals do speak highly for Sale. He actually struck out more batters than ever before by a decent margin. And if you really look at why his runs spiked, the answer lies mostly in playing in front of the league's most atrocious defense. He should be hurt less by that given all the strikeouts, and there's something to be said for the fact that hitters managed more line drives against him than usual and his home run rate spiked. Lots of that could just be noise in the statistics, but it's still hard to completely wipe away the results, leaving Sale worth slightly less today than he has been at other times in his career.
And there is, of course, the clubhouse issue. Sale being upset with ownership might leave the team in an awkward position at the bargaining table. It also makes Kenny Williams an even wilder wild card than usual. It's hard to be certain of much of anything when it comes to Williams, and Dave Dombrowski should certainly be checking in to see what he's thinking given that he's got nothing to lose in doing so.
But if the door seems more open to a Chris Sale trade now than in years gone by, that doesn't mean it actually is. Chris Sale is the White Sox right now. More so than Kenny Williams is, certainly. Likely to the point that ownership would step in if Williams felt slighted enough to make a trade. And certainly if Williams is feeling calm about the whole thing, he'll know that this isn't the time to be dealing his ace on the back of his worst season by ERA. Sure, the White Sox are incurring some small risk that this is just what Sale is going forward--a good pitcher still, but not a great one. It seems unlikely given his age, peripherals, and past, but a rough year, even if it's mostly in terms of results, can't be completely ignored.
But that risk is one they'll be pretty happy to take given Sale's low impact on payroll, incredible talent, and stature with the team, to the point where they likely won't be willing to part with him for anything less that a pre-2016 price. If the Globe's offer isn't too far off the assessor's price for Chris Sale, if you will, the practical price for the White Sox is likely a decent bit higher.
Does Boston have the assets to make a Chris Sale trade? Absolutely. They have Betts, Bogaerts, Swihart, Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Espinoza...the list goes on! Is there any offer out there that will make both teams happy enough to sign on the bottom line?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJxCdh1Ps48
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/08/white-sox-interested-yasiel-puig.html
I'd send Robertson if it would net Puig. Both have tangible upside but have disappointed recently.
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Lots of buzz this morning that Boston wants Sale badly and is still talking to Hahn. Couple hours to go. Tick tock....
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I'll reserve judgement. We don't have an answer in CF right now, this guy sounds alot like One Dog. That would be a great return for Duke. He was a luxury piece on the current team.
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pretty lousy return for Duke
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Kid was going to be an Illini baseball player before the Cards took him in 2nd round and got him to commit to MLB.
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Looks like his upside is a 4th outfielder / Juan Pierre-lite.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/zach-duke-trade-cardinals-white-sox.html
Duke to Cardinals for Charlie Tilson.
Tilson is a speedy outfielder with supposedly decent plate discipline from Winnetka.
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Interesting, and helpful, article.
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/finding-a-fair-price-for-chris-sale/
Fangraphs on Sale trade value.
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Urais...
Urias
They messed me up with arias.
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Presented without context:
http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-sox/report-white-sox-make-james-shields-available-trade?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo&yptr=yahoo
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@Philabucks
@ESPNChiCubs what are the odds Schwarber, Hamell and a couple others for Sale?
3:28 PM - 27 Jul 2016
This could work if the "couple others" are Bryant and Contreras.
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Urais...
Urias
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Urais...
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No thanks on Trayce.
Arias and a few other prospects would be a nice package.
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Dodgers would supposedly part with Arias for Sale, so that would be an interesting trade partner.
Hey, maybe we could get Trayce back... :)
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Consider the state of pitching in the ML, someone will pay it.
I hope so. I'm ready for a blockbuster that hopefully works in our favor for once.
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http://deadspin.com/chris-sale-is-fed-up-with-robin-ventura-1784294494
Headline is a bit misleading, but Sale just needs to shut up and pitch.
Chris sale is proving himself to be very..... "central florida"... thats about the best way i can describe it.
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Consider the state of pitching in the ML, someone will pay it. Esp the stros and red sox. both appear to be "all in"
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Hahn can ask for the farm and not be out of line.
That is true but he might not get it -- now or ever. So do you accept a bit of a lesser, yet still very very good package and get younger and (hopefully) plug several holes? Or keep him, still not win and then lose him for much less later? I don't know.
Whether it's Sale or Quintana that goes, I'm getting to the point where I'll be disappointed if a big move doesn't happen this week.
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http://deadspin.com/chris-sale-is-fed-up-with-robin-ventura-1784294494
Headline is a bit misleading, but Sale just needs to shut up and pitch.
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Moncada, Benintendi, Buchholz and Owens would be a good start.
Keep in mind there is no precedent for someone like Sale being traded, in terms of combination of youth, talent and contract. Hahn can ask for the farm and not be out of line.
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i Sox are apparently asking for 2 ML-ready prospects + 2 other pieces each for Sale / Quintana.
2 ML ready + 2 others to me reads like Benintendi + Moncada + Torres + McKinnley.
Yankees got a great young talent in Torres, but lets not pretend the rest of what they got is worth a damn, McKinney sucks, warren is being traded back to the yankees after being fairly crappy... and i have never heard of the 4th guy before.
Moncada and Ben are universally ranked as top 1 and top 10 prospects in baseball, and are both considered to be Major League ready right now... lets not compare that to a 19 year high A SS that is at best 3 years away from Major league time.
Same thing with the Astros prospect of Reed and Bergman, both are young hitters that are ready for the majors now... not 3 years from now.
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shawn
If we wait until 2018, we'll have nothing left other than Sale and Q to dump, and their value will be drastically lowered, given the end of their contracts. Now is the maximum value we can extract, for those two and and others on the team now. Without a big trade, 2017 is our only slim hope of ever contending for a long long time.
Let's get the BoSox two two prospects (Moncada, Benintendi, one of their catcher prospects, two more medium prospects, and throw in Clay B to fill Sale's shoes the rest of this year.
Then I would keep Q, and hope to add some free agents for 2017.
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yep, good thoughts ShawnAbs
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Those offers seem terrible to me. Sale would still be able to fetch 2 top prospects in 2018 or 2019. If a team is going to control Sale's contract for 3.5 years, then it should take a "Herschel Walker" type of package to get him. It makes no sense to me for a team to give up two top prospects to get Sale this year, have him pitch for a couple of years, and then trade him for a couple of top prospects in 2019. Basically, they would be getting Sale to pitch for them for 3 years at little or no net difference in prospects. Why would the Sox give up on having Sale and Quintana locked up at team friendly salaries unless they got 6 or 7 prospects in return. The Cubs just gave up 4 prospects to get Chapman for half a season. Getting the rights to Sale for 3.5 years should require 3-4 can't miss prospects, plus a couple other high ceiling guys. If we give up Sale, we'd better be getting at least one pitcher in return.
My preference is to keep Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Anderson, Abreu, and perhaps Jones and just trade off any other parts as a salary dump and revamp the offense next year through free agency. With the Sox having those 6 players at team friendly contracts, the window is still open for the Sox to contend for another 2 or 3 years. If they don't field a competitive team by 2018 or 2019, I would be in favor of doing a complete overhaul at that time. I basically have no confidence in KW or Hahn to get proper value for Sale or Quintana.
+1
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Agree. If Chapman is worth 3 prospects and a horseshoe...Sale is worth at least 5 and 2 rabbits feet...
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Those offers seem terrible to me. Sale would still be able to fetch 2 top prospects in 2018 or 2019. If a team is going to control Sale's contract for 3.5 years, then it should take a "Herschel Walker" type of package to get him. It makes no sense to me for a team to give up two top prospects to get Sale this year, have him pitch for a couple of years, and then trade him for a couple of top prospects in 2019. Basically, they would be getting Sale to pitch for them for 3 years at little or no net difference in prospects. Why would the Sox give up on having Sale and Quintana locked up at team friendly salaries unless they got 6 or 7 prospects in return. The Cubs just gave up 4 prospects to get Chapman for half a season. Getting the rights to Sale for 3.5 years should require 3-4 can't miss prospects, plus a couple other high ceiling guys. If we give up Sale, we'd better be getting at least one pitcher in return.
My preference is to keep Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Anderson, Abreu, and perhaps Jones and just trade off any other parts as a salary dump and revamp the offense next year through free agency. With the Sox having those 6 players at team friendly contracts, the window is still open for the Sox to contend for another 2 or 3 years. If they don't field a competitive team by 2018 or 2019, I would be in favor of doing a complete overhaul at that time. I basically have no confidence in KW or Hahn to get proper value for Sale or Quintana.
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Other then Gallo, i approve of those targets...
It should be Seager+ from Dodgers not Urias... no need to trade for pitching. we need real hitters.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/chris-sale-trade-rumors-whitesox.html
Sox are apparently asking for 2 ML-ready prospects + 2 other pieces each for Sale / Quintana.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/white-sox-sellers-trade-deadline-rumor.html
Sox reportedly are sellers. Listening to offers on veteran bats and relievers.
This presumably means Frazier.
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Sale suspended five days by White Sox
Left-hander penalized for 'violating team rules, insubordination, destroying team equipment'
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/191406824/chris-sale-of-white-sox-suspended/
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i think this is a full tear down rebuild like the stro's did.
And lets kick it off by taking them for a ride on sale.
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This isnt a 5 year rebuild, or even 3. Trade Sale, and assuming they get back right pieces, they can contend soon. Gonna have to add via FA as well. But can this org do it? Having Kenny around makes me think not. Wish JR would sell
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me too. but i hate the mediocrity more.
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Yes, but I am scared doing that with whom we have making the decisions.
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I would guess that sale wants out. Haven't heard much more about what transpired. Is it time to tear it all down yet?
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My goodness can this team sink any lower? It is flat out embarrassing being a Sox fan these day. This org is a complete and total mess.
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what a ****
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Sounds like Sale did not want to wear throwback jersey and caused a commotion?
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What are the chances that the "non-physical clubhouse incident" involved Kenny Williams?
Something along the lines of Chris Sale screaming at KW in front of his teammates in the clubhouse.
I'm guessing that's what happened.
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Houston alledgedly offered a kings ransom for sale.
If that included Reed and Bergman, hard to say no imo.
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method might be getting his wish:
Chris Sale scratched from tonight's start. Trade coming?
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/white-sox-reportedly-scratch-chris-sale-from-start-as-trade-rumors-swirl/
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One guy on Twitter who appears to have Sox connections (he broke news of the Shields trade with exact players a week before the trade was announced, as well as a few others) is saying that he's being told that Sale is pretty much untouchable but the Sox are definitely listening to offers on Q and Robertson.
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That is the philosophy now, supposedly.
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i hope we target hitters capable of making contact vs boom and bust types.
Say no to gallo, say yes to beinitendi.
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we'll trade for a team's top 2 prospects & they'll turn out to be Corey Patterson & Hop Chop Suey.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/white-sox-sellers-trade-deadline-rumor.html
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Our offense still needs an enema, and Robertson still looks replaceable. Texas is desperate for pitching, especially at closer. We should be talking to them about a deal around DR and Profar or Gallo.
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Related to the Morneau call-up; if he doesn't work out, look for this guy next year or even as a September call-up...the batting eye is for real:
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2016/05/danny-hayes-deep-sleeper-who-may-help-the-white-sox-this-year/
Only complaint is K rate... other than that, I'm a huge fan of his OBP.
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I'm ok with the Fulmer call up cuz he was on an innings limit, and only had about 50 left Might as well use up those innings here, and get his feet wet.
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Related to the Morneau call-up; if he doesn't work out, look for this guy next year or even as a September call-up...the batting eye is for real:
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2016/05/danny-hayes-deep-sleeper-who-may-help-the-white-sox-this-year/
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Morneau info:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/white-sox-activate-justin-morneau.html
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More info on Fulmer:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/07/white-sox-promote-carson-fulmer.html
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Depends on what he's struggling with... he could still develop in the bullpen (see: Sale, Chris). On the other hand, it could blow up in our faces (see: pretty much everyone else who's been rushed through our system)
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wow msf... you have caught up... within 10 posts now... i better start kvetching about our lack of a proper rebuild to run up the post count.
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Not a huge fan of Fulmer move, let him have some success.
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Glad we rushed fulmer up as well.
Fulmer and Rodon are going to make great BP arms at some point.
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Morneau also called up.
Coats has been optioned back to AAA Charlotte.
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/17082316/chicago-white-sox-promote-top-pitching-prospect-carson-fulmer
Fulmer to be called up, not Turner.
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Half of the dream Q package just went to San diego for Pomeranz.
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I know
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Turner sucks.
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Scott Carroll outrighted to AAA Charlotte. 40-man now at 39.
Corresponding move coming?
Sounds like Jacob Turner getting called up (and put on 40-man) to start in Rodon's slot.
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Note - Morneau is on the 15-day DL (not 60-day), so he's already on the 40-man.
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Scott Carroll outrighted to AAA Charlotte. 40-man now at 39.
Corresponding move coming?
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If we had picked up a big slug like Mark Trumbo I would have been so pissed, yet here he is in the ASG.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2hvkPyiAFE
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Imagine if we had signed Ian Desmond (for CF) and Daniel Murphy......
They'd probably both have sub-.240 batting averages under the tutelage of Todd Steverson.
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Imagine if we had signed Ian Desmond (for CF) and Daniel Murphy......
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Nats need a closer as well.
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Agree with abs. You want to start rebuild, trade David Robertson. Can get 2 good prospects for him from a contender needing a closer. Texas might be a trade partner.
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Good post ShawnAbs
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it works out to giving up 18 war in the short term and perhaps leveraging it into 40 over 6 years of the pieces you get back.
We have to start the rebuild somewhere.
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For 3 more years sure. but what value is he to us if the rest of the team sucks.
If you trade him and get back 4-5 pieces that count its a good trade.
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Let's just say that trades that don't return equal value are dumb. you apparently disagree.
Sale is, after all. one of the best starters in mlb.
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The odds of trading Sale & getting equal value in return is close to nil.
Even if you were really lucky & got equal value in return you'd just be robbing Peter to pay Paul. What's the point?
Need talent desperately. IF they are giving us Moncada/Espinoza and a couple of smaller pieces, that is a great haul.
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The odds of trading Sale & getting equal value in return is close to nil.
Even if you were really lucky & got equal value in return you'd just be robbing Peter to pay Paul. What's the point?
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The amount/type of players a team would have to give up to trade for Sale would be a package that would decimate the other team. No team will give up what it would take so I can't see a scenario where Sale gets traded anytime soon.
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I would be stunned if they traded Sale. With the team options, he's signed through 2019 at a very team friendly salary. Why rush to trade him now? His trade value would still be high in 2018 or 2019. If the Sox don't improve over the next couple of years, then I would agree to trade him. As a reminder, the White Sox are only 3 1/2 games behind KC for the final wild card spot. They mostly need improvement from Shields and Frazier, both of which I think is likely. Giving up on the season now would be as bad or worse than the infamous White Flag trade. If they fall further back by the end of July, then I would agree to trade off some players to get prospects in return, but I wouldn't include Sale in the list of players to trade.
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I would try to make the trade, we aren't going to win a WS soon with the current crop.
I would go all the way, add Q, Frazier, Robertson, Duke, and Fulmer
It would be more fun losing badly and to be loaded with top of the line line prospects, then to have what we have now.
And KW has to go.
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Story by Dave Schoenfield of ESPN
It's time for the Chicago White Sox to trade Chris Sale.
I hate writing that sentence. Sale is exactly the type of pitcher you want: He's great, he is signed to a team-friendly contract that includes options through 2019, he is a homegrown talent, and he is a good citizen. Why would the White Sox consider trading him? Simple answer: They're a mediocre team going nowhere, sinking faster than the ratings for "Shades of Blue." They started off 23-10, but that was a mirage built around Mat Latos winning his first four starts with a 0.74 ERA, Sale and Jose Quintana pitching out of this world, strong starts at the plate from the likes of Avisail Garcia and Brett Lawrie, and excellent defense highlighted by Adam Eaton's bazillion diving catches in right field.
Even after Monday's exciting win -- after Zach Putnam walked the bases full with no outs in the ninth, Zach Duke escaped the jam, and Jose Abreu delivered a two-run double off Craig Kimbrel with two outs in the 10th to beat the Red Sox -- the White Sox are 34-36, or 11-26 since the hot start. The James Shields trade has been a disaster, the offense doesn't get enough guys on base or hit enough home runs, and the defense has regressed in recent weeks.
Maybe the White Sox aren't this bad -- even Sale has a 6.07 ERA in his past five starts, as his BABIP has normalized -- but they aren't playoff contenders, either. That has mostly been the story since Sale joined the rotation five seasons ago. The Sox are 331-387 since 2012, including three straight sub-.500 seasons. Building around Sale hasn't produced a winning team. As admirable as the White Sox's refusal to rebuild has been, it's time to change course, make a blockbuster trade and infuse more talent into the organization.
Sale's trade value would be enormous, given that he's making just $9.15 million this year and $12 million in 2017 and then has team options for $12.5 and $13.5 million in 2018 and 2019. A team that acquires him now would get him for four playoff runs. Compare Sale to Cole Hamels when Hamels was traded last year: Hamels had $70.5 million guaranteed to him in the three seasons remaining on his contract, plus a prorated share of $23.5 million for the rest of 2015 (and a $24 million vesting option for 2019 or $20 million team option or $6 million buyout). Sale will make half as much as Hamels over the same span. Then consider that Sale is four years younger than Hamels and a better pitcher.
Chris Sale would be a great fit in the Red Sox rotation. Mike McGinnis/Getty Images
The White Sox aren't in as obvious a rebuild mode as the Phillies were in July, but everyone seemed to think the Phillies got a nice return of young talent for Hamels. Sale would demand an even bigger return. The team best equipped and most likely to make a deal for Sale? The team he's pitching against Tuesday: the Boston Red Sox. Here are five reasons for that.
1. Dave Dombrowski will be under pressure to win this season, not only to erase the sting of the past two seasons, but also to send David Ortiz out in style.
2. Dombrowski's style during his reign in Detroit was to trade prospects for proven stars, just as we saw with the Kimbrel trade this offseason.
3. The Red Sox need another starting pitcher. Even with knuckleballer Steven Wright a potential starter for the All-Star Game, the Red Sox rank just 10th in the AL in rotation ERA. A playoff quartet of Sale, David Price, Wright and Rick Porcello would look pretty good in front of Boston's league-leading offense.
4. The Red Sox have top-rated prospects to deal. Second baseman Yoan Moncada would be the must-get for the White Sox. He hit .307/.427/.496 with 36 steals in Class A and was just promoted to Double-A. He ranked 12th on Keith Law's top 25 prospects update in late May, behind two more Boston farmhands: third baseman Rafael Devers (No. 5), who hasn't put up the same numbers as Moncada at Salem but is just 19 years old, and outfielder Andrew Benintendi, who already earned an early promotion to Double-A. Teenage right-hander Anderson Espinoza ranked 22nd on Law's list.
5. The state of the major league roster allows Dombrowski to make a move. With three young, inexpensive stars in Xander Bogaerts, Mookie Betts and Jackie Bradley Jr., the Red Sox have a strong foundation of youth. Moncada is blocked by Dustin Pedroia (signed through 2021), so although Moncada could conceivably play left field or third base, he would seem like an asset to move to improve the big league team.
It's a perfect fit. Trade Sale for Moncada, one of the other top guys -- say Espinoza, to give Chicago a potential big arm -- Blake Swihart, whom the White Sox would move back behind the plate, and one of the young starters with some big league experience, such as Eduardo Rodriguez or Henry Owens.
Of course, if Sale were put on the market, every team would inquire. The Dodgers would be frothing at the mouth trying to come up with an offer. The Rangers are still loaded on the farm, with prospects such as Joey Gallo, outfielder Lewis Brinson and pitcher Dillon Tate. The Astros have Alex Bregman and A.J. Reed. The Pirates could look to 2017 and trade Tyler Glasnow and Austin Meadows.
You get the idea. Look, a Sale trade is unlikely. It isn't owner Jerry Reinsdorf's style to give up. (OK, maybe once.) But Ken Williams and Rick Hahn have to realize they haven't made the playoffs since 2008, they haven't won 90 games since 2006, and they're probably headed to their fifth losing season in six years. Put Sale on the market.
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10 years too late, and with a bum flipper.
What happened, did Kenny lose Carl Everett's phone number?
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That would be my thoughts too.
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Would assume Gonzalez take that rotation spot.
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Danish? WTF. He is not ready, maybe they see him in the pen (as most analysts).
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We just signed Justin Morneu and immediately put him on the disabled list.
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Is Danish ready? Isn't this his first season in AA?
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Latos DFA'd, Darnish called up
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I cannot believe we traded for shields... gave up a good young MI prospect... and squandered any flex we got from the laroche early retirement boon
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Latos>>Shields
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Agree ISF
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Morneau announced tomorrow
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He's a mid-rotation improvement. Probably moves ahead of Rodon right now.
Gonzalez > Latos.