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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #2775 on: February 19, 2019, 11:46:18 am »
Cue the sad trombone...

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« Reply #2777 on: February 19, 2019, 12:28:22 pm »

  Yonder Alonso and Jon Jay to the Padres for Fernando Tatís Jr.



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« Reply #2778 on: February 19, 2019, 12:59:17 pm »
Market rate obviously.... We had our shot and we came up short.

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« Reply #2779 on: February 19, 2019, 01:24:55 pm »
Market rate obviously.... We had our shot and we came up short.


 
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« Reply #2780 on: February 19, 2019, 01:31:35 pm »
Its hard to argue with this unnamed source....  10/300 was the price that was floated last year for him, and that is exactly what he ended up getting. he obviously valued 2 extra guaranteed years at 30 million more then the 1.25 million more per year for 8 years.

The deal the sox offered was 50 million in guaranteed dollars short of what Manny wanted/got. Preller stole Tatis from KW, now swoops in and takes Manny to.

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« Reply #2781 on: February 19, 2019, 03:05:17 pm »
  $50 million more total gross but spread out over a contract that is two years longer.  Net is considerable less when you consider the difference in state income taxes as currently IL is 4.95% and California is 13.5%.  Playing for the Padres means 81 home games and 10 road games in LA and 9 road games  in SF this year.  That's 100 games out of a total of 162 subject to the higher CA tax rate.  The White Sox play 7 total road games in CA (4 in Anaheim & 3 in Oakland).  100-7=93 more games per year at a 8.5% higher state income tax rate.  93/162 =  57.4%.   $300 million x 57.4% x 8.5% = $14.65 more in state taxes.  So basically $35 million more net but you become a free agent again at 36 years old instead of 34 years old. If he's still a productive in demand player at the end of the contract, a 34-year old should get a better deal than a 36-year old free agent.   That's also not taking into consideration that being a superstar pro athlete playing for a Chicago-based team is more in demand than the same player playing for a smaller market like San Diego.  Hell the '85 Bears players are still making $$ endorsement deals in Chicagoland.

  Maybe it's the weather but honestly you expect Manny to live in Florida in the off-season and summer in Chicago is just as good and maybe better than summer in San Diego.  Maybe he preferred the softer media and less pressure of San Diego versus the attention he'd receive in Chicago. He won't be scrutinized in SD like he would be in Chicago.  Chicago is a sports crazed town while SD is not.  Heck the Padres are the only major sports team there as they have no major pro football, basketball or hockey team.


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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #2783 on: February 20, 2019, 11:39:06 am »
Sox made a great offer. Who cares what he wanted to sign for. This wasn’t about this season but the next 10

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« Reply #2784 on: February 20, 2019, 11:58:49 am »
I thought Sox Brass realized they had a golden opportunity to revitalize the franchise by getting both Harper and Machado, both of whom they easily could afford.  Such a move would make the White Sox relevant, increase interest (and thus sell more tickets), and maybe even increase the value of the team for a guy that will probably sell it in 5 years.

But after they whiffed badly on Machado and subsequently decided to bail on pursuing Harper, color me disappointed.

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« Reply #2785 on: February 20, 2019, 01:06:35 pm »
I thought Sox Brass realized they had a golden opportunity to revitalize the franchise by getting both Harper and Machado, both of whom they easily could afford.  Such a move would make the White Sox relevant, increase interest (and thus sell more tickets), and maybe even increase the value of the team for a guy that will probably sell it in 5 years.

But after they whiffed badly on Machado and subsequently decided to bail on pursuing Harper, color me disappointed.

Jerry Reinsdorf has stated numerous times the White Sox won't be sold while he's alive.  Too much capital gains in a sale.  He's told his son to sell the Sox after Jerry dies and keep ownership of the Bulls.

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« Reply #2787 on: February 20, 2019, 02:07:26 pm »
I'd rather sign somebody next year that actually wants to play 3B...
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« Reply #2788 on: February 20, 2019, 02:50:25 pm »
I'd rather sign somebody next year that actually wants to play 3B...
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arenano01.shtml

Have you ever looked at Nolan's home and away splits? 320/374/609 with a .290 iso at coors; 263/318/469 with a .206 iso on the road.

Rockies are also apparently working hard on a extension for him.

Like blackie said, we had a golden opportunity to get this done and we failed...

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« Reply #2789 on: February 20, 2019, 05:19:38 pm »
Jerry Reinsdorf has stated numerous times the White Sox won't be sold while he's alive.  Too much capital gains in a sale.  He's told his son to sell the Sox after Jerry dies and keep ownership of the Bulls.

I know that is the narrative, but there are "rumblings" that many of the minority owners want to cash in now before they get too old, and are strongly urging Jerry to sell.  Guess we shall see.



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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #2790 on: February 20, 2019, 08:56:35 pm »
Manny has been decidedly better at Balt than road. Phillips is idiot. Sox deal was worth more but players don’t want to be held accountable. F him

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« Reply #2791 on: February 21, 2019, 06:51:37 pm »
I concur with Blackie.  I am not nearly so annoyed that Machado chose to go elsewhere than I am that we folded up on Harper a long time ago.

Who knows the future though, I was upset when we didn’t land Arod but the Rangers couldn’t shed him fast enough.  Watch what happens!!

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« Reply #2792 on: February 21, 2019, 09:41:41 pm »
I'd rather sign somebody next year that actually wants to play 3B...
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/arenano01.shtml

Manny already stated weeks ago that he was willing the play third base for any team. Manny and Bryce at 26 are a once in a lifetime opportunities, given their value and age. There are no free agents in our upcoming window that come  close to them. Arrenado and Rendon will resign with their current teams.

i'm in the camp that this was the most devastating blunder in Sox history since the Black Sox. Go the www.soxmachine.com and read Margulis article today. I'm in total agreement. I'm boycotting the team this year by not attending any games.

Shoe you must work for JR

Proud of their "creative and aggressive effort"? Bullshit! No opt outs at all, and Sox get to decide in year 8, if he gets 550 plate appearances for him to get years 9 and 10.

Manny made the no brainer choice.

Hahn promises they will spend the money on other players, yeah, like Adam Dunn and LaRoche.

Nats signed Werth to contract that changed their franchise, even though he waned out in the last few years. We had the chance here

Time for Jerry to sell, and fire Rick and Kenny! I've lost faith in this franchise/

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« Reply #2793 on: February 21, 2019, 11:28:42 pm »
How many WS have the Nats won?  What huge contract did the Cards, Royals, Cubs, Astros do to fuel their WS titles?  Interesting that the Phils, who are uber aaggresive, also passed.

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« Reply #2794 on: February 22, 2019, 10:45:36 am »
Juan, problem is Jerry will never sell. Family will wait til he dies and monetarily they come out ahead due to tax situations or something or other.

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« Reply #2795 on: February 22, 2019, 11:28:33 am »
The club needs new ownership. But they may have dodged a bullet with Harchado. Spend on pitching

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« Reply #2796 on: February 22, 2019, 11:36:21 am »
And here we go. Ervin Santana signs minor league deal

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« Reply #2797 on: February 22, 2019, 02:31:48 pm »
Machado was not a good fit - which is why I preferred Harper. He doesn’t hustle, he isn’t going to turn that on simply because he signed a big contract, it is likely going to get worse. How is that a good fit for a young team? If he didn’t want to come here why would you want him???  I am not going to whine that he wasn’t offered enough to satisfy his ego, as Andy pointed out the taxes alone made it a comparable deal. 

Let it go.

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« Reply #2798 on: February 22, 2019, 03:16:23 pm »
I preferred neither and am getting what I wanted.

Oh, and I am laughing at the incompetence of the Twins organization these days...
One of these guys is getting 21 mil over 2 years, the other ain't.

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« Reply #2799 on: February 22, 2019, 03:24:17 pm »

Have you ever looked at Nolan's home and away splits? 320/374/609 with a .290 iso at coors; 263/318/469 with a .206 iso on the road.

Rockies are also apparently working hard on a extension for him.

Like blackie said, we had a golden opportunity to get this done and we failed...

Of course Arenado's numbers are better at Coors. Everybody's are.
Extrapolate his numbers in games outside of Coors and you still get a guy that's going to hit 30 HRs, drive in 100 runs and OPS about .800.

Arenado is not going to get Machado money, because GMs are well aware of the splits. he is also older than Machado.

Cheaper, less years, all-star numbers...I'm good with it.

 

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