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Method · « **Reply #2125 on:** July 24, 2016, 12:19:40 pm »

i think this is a full tear down rebuild like the stro's did.

And lets kick it off by taking them for a ride on sale.

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #2126 on:** July 24, 2016, 12:28:56 pm »

Sale suspended five days by White Sox
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AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #2127 on:** July 24, 2016, 12:47:03 pm »

josephc · « **Reply #2128 on:** July 24, 2016, 02:49:50 pm »

White Sox Reportedly Open To Dealing Veteran Bats, Relievers

The White Sox will reportedly listen to trade offers for anyone other than their SPs and SS Tim Anderson. Get details at MLB Trade Rumors.

MLB Trade Rumors · mlbtraderumors.com

Sox reportedly are sellers. Listening to offers on veteran bats and relievers.

This presumably means Frazier.

josephc · « **Reply #2129 on:** July 25, 2016, 01:45:29 pm »

Passan's Latest: Davis, Miller, Sale, Quintana, Miley, Upton

Yahoo's Jeff Passan has another edition of his 10 Degrees column posted, which focuses heavily on a number of potentially available …

MLB Trade Rumors · mlbtraderumors.com

Sox are apparently asking for 2 ML-ready prospects + 2 other pieces each for Sale / Quintana.

Method · « **Reply #2130 on:** July 25, 2016, 02:26:15 pm »

Other then Gallo, i approve of those targets...

It should be Seager+ from Dodgers not Urias... no need to trade for pitching. we need real hitters.

shawnabner · « **Reply #2131 on:** July 25, 2016, 03:43:20 pm »

Those offers seem terrible to me. Sale would still be able to fetch 2 top prospects in 2018 or 2019. If a team is going to control Sale's contract for 3.5 years, then it should take a "Herschel Walker" type of package to get him. It makes no sense to me for a team to give up two top prospects to get Sale this year, have him pitch for a couple of years, and then trade him for a couple of top prospects in 2019. Basically, they would be getting Sale to pitch for them for 3 years at little or no net difference in prospects. Why would the Sox give up on having Sale and Quintana locked up at team friendly salaries unless they got 6 or 7 prospects in return. The Cubs just gave up 4 prospects to get Chapman for half a season. Getting the rights to Sale for 3.5 years should require 3-4 can't miss prospects, plus a couple other high ceiling guys. If we give up Sale, we'd better be getting at least one pitcher in return.

My preference is to keep Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Anderson, Abreu, and perhaps Jones and just trade off any other parts as a salary dump and revamp the offense next year through free agency. With the Sox having those 6 players at team friendly contracts, the window is still open for the Sox to contend for another 2 or 3 years. If they don't field a competitive team by 2018 or 2019, I would be in favor of doing a complete overhaul at that time. I basically have no confidence in KW or Hahn to get proper value for Sale or Quintana.

ISF · « **Reply #2132 on:** July 25, 2016, 06:09:39 pm »

Agree. If Chapman is worth 3 prospects and a horseshoe...Sale is worth at least 5 and 2 rabbits feet...

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #2133 on:** July 25, 2016, 08:56:13 pm »

Quote from: shawnabner on July 25, 2016, 03:43:20 pm

Those offers seem terrible to me. Sale would still be able to fetch 2 top prospects in 2018 or 2019. If a team is going to control Sale's contract for 3.5 years, then it should take a "Herschel Walker" type of package to get him. It makes no sense to me for a team to give up two top prospects to get Sale this year, have him pitch for a couple of years, and then trade him for a couple of top prospects in 2019. Basically, they would be getting Sale to pitch for them for 3 years at little or no net difference in prospects. Why would the Sox give up on having Sale and Quintana locked up at team friendly salaries unless they got 6 or 7 prospects in return. The Cubs just gave up 4 prospects to get Chapman for half a season. Getting the rights to Sale for 3.5 years should require 3-4 can't miss prospects, plus a couple other high ceiling guys. If we give up Sale, we'd better be getting at least one pitcher in return.

My preference is to keep Sale, Quintana, Eaton, Anderson, Abreu, and perhaps Jones and just trade off any other parts as a salary dump and revamp the offense next year through free agency. With the Sox having those 6 players at team friendly contracts, the window is still open for the Sox to contend for another 2 or 3 years. If they don't field a competitive team by 2018 or 2019, I would be in favor of doing a complete overhaul at that time. I basically have no confidence in KW or Hahn to get proper value for Sale or Quintana.

+1

msf · « **Reply #2134 on:** July 25, 2016, 09:07:07 pm »

yep, good thoughts ShawnAbs

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #2135 on:** July 25, 2016, 09:09:07 pm »

shawn

If we wait until 2018, we'll have nothing left other than Sale and Q to dump, and their value will be drastically lowered, given the end of their contracts. Now is the maximum value we can extract, for those two and and others on the team now. Without a big trade, 2017 is our only slim hope of ever contending for a long long time.

Let's get the BoSox two two prospects (Moncada, Benintendi, one of their catcher prospects, two more medium prospects, and throw in Clay B to fill Sale's shoes the rest of this year.

Then I would keep Q, and hope to add some free agents for 2017.

Method · « **Reply #2136 on:** July 25, 2016, 09:34:37 pm »

i Sox are apparently asking for 2 ML-ready prospects + 2 other pieces each for Sale / Quintana.

2 ML ready + 2 others to me reads like Benintendi + Moncada + Torres + McKinnley.

Yankees got a great young talent in Torres, but lets not pretend the rest of what they got is worth a damn, McKinney sucks, warren is being traded back to the yankees after being fairly crappy... and i have never heard of the 4th guy before.

Moncada and Ben are universally ranked as top 1 and top 10 prospects in baseball, and are both considered to be Major League ready right now... lets not compare that to a 19 year high A SS that is at best 3 years away from Major league time.

Same thing with the Astros prospect of Reed and Bergman, both are young hitters that are ready for the majors now... not 3 years from now.

ISF · « **Reply #2137 on:** July 26, 2016, 11:21:44 am »

Moncada, Benintendi, Buchholz and Owens would be a good start.

Keep in mind there is no precedent for someone like Sale being traded, in terms of combination of youth, talent and contract. Hahn can ask for the farm and not be out of line.

josephc · « **Reply #2138 on:** July 26, 2016, 12:03:02 pm »

Deadspin | Chris Sale Is Fed Up With Robin Ventura

deadspin.com

Headline is a bit misleading, but Sale just needs to shut up and pitch.

SoxRule · « **Reply #2139 on:** July 26, 2016, 12:47:30 pm »

Hahn can ask for the farm and not be out of line.

That is true but he might not get it -- now or ever. So do you accept a bit of a lesser, yet still very very good package and get younger and (hopefully) plug several holes? Or keep him, still not win and then lose him for much less later? I don't know.

Whether it's Sale or Quintana that goes, I'm getting to the point where I'll be disappointed if a big move doesn't happen this week.

Method · « **Reply #2140 on:** July 26, 2016, 01:43:50 pm »

Consider the state of pitching in the ML, someone will pay it. Esp the stros and red sox. both appear to be "all in"

Method · « **Reply #2141 on:** July 26, 2016, 01:47:36 pm »

Quote from: joeconners on July 26, 2016, 12:03:02 pm

http://deadspin.com/chris-sale-is-fed-up-with-robin-ventura-1784294494

Headline is a bit misleading, but Sale just needs to shut up and pitch.

Chris sale is proving himself to be very..... "central florida"... thats about the best way i can describe it.

SoxRule · « **Reply #2142 on:** July 26, 2016, 02:35:25 pm »

Consider the state of pitching in the ML, someone will pay it.

I hope so. I'm ready for a blockbuster that hopefully works in our favor for once.

ISF · « **Reply #2143 on:** July 26, 2016, 06:12:33 pm »

Dodgers would supposedly part with Arias for Sale, so that would be an interesting trade partner.

Hey, maybe we could get Trayce back...

msf · « **Reply #2144 on:** July 26, 2016, 07:17:55 pm »

No thanks on Trayce.

Arias and a few other prospects would be a nice package.

Method · « **Reply #2145 on:** July 26, 2016, 07:23:26 pm »

Urais...

SoxRule · « **Reply #2146 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:15:11 am »

Urais...

Urias

SoxRule · « **Reply #2147 on:** July 27, 2016, 04:18:59 pm »

‏@Philabucks
@ESPNChiCubs what are the odds Schwarber, Hamell and a couple others for Sale?
3:28 PM - 27 Jul 2016

This could work if the "couple others" are Bryant and Contreras.

josephc · « **Reply #2148 on:** July 27, 2016, 07:57:00 pm »

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Method · « **Reply #2149 on:** July 27, 2016, 08:33:57 pm »

Quote from: SoxRule on July 27, 2016, 08:15:11 am

Urais...

Urias

They messed me up with arias.