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WshflThinking · « **Reply #2300 on:** December 08, 2016, 08:15:49 am »

so.... who goes next?

Quien sabe. While I agree that pitching wins championships and pitching is nice to acquire, where are the bats besides Moncada? We have a farm system void of ML talent. Position player of greatest need could be CF and then catcher.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #2301 on:** December 08, 2016, 08:23:18 am »

After Eaton's defensive gems in RF this year, I am very sad to see him go. Best RFer I saw. Good bat too. After that I am very unhappy to see the Avasail experiment continue.

Method · « **Reply #2302 on:** December 08, 2016, 08:26:33 am »

It'll be ok. As JJ used to say if they arnt going to be good, be comically bad. They are going to be comically bad at some point this year after the selloff.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #2303 on:** December 08, 2016, 08:32:42 am »

As for who's next, probably Frazier or Abreau. I heard Denver is after a 1Bman. If Frazier and Abreau go this team will be a punch and judy team. This team wont win 50 games next year. No pitching or hitting.

Method · « **Reply #2304 on:** December 08, 2016, 08:53:55 am »

Denver signed Desmond to Play 1b.

Method · « **Reply #2305 on:** December 08, 2016, 08:54:26 am »

That is the point Wshfl... #1 draft pick and highest draft pool for a couple years.

SoxRule · « **Reply #2306 on:** December 08, 2016, 09:31:32 am »

where are the bats besides Moncada?

I definitely want to see some big time bats added as well. Quintana is the obvious last key player that can bring back a big haul of position prospects but there's also building through the draft since the Sox should be bad enough next year to warrant a high pick (and most likely again in 2018). They can also trade some of this elite prospect pitching they're loading up on now for hitting later. The Cubs are very thin on pitching prospects so maybe there's something that can be worked out on that front?

ISF · « **Reply #2307 on:** December 08, 2016, 09:48:36 am »

Took Dylan Covey in Rule 5 draft.

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WshflThinking · « **Reply #2308 on:** December 08, 2016, 11:33:14 am »

I saw that Rule 5 pickup. Interesting. Here is another link:

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WshflThinking · « **Reply #2309 on:** December 08, 2016, 11:45:12 am »

I definitely want to see some big time bats added as well. Quintana is the obvious last key player that can bring back a big haul of position prospects but there's also building through the draft since the Sox should be bad enough next year to warrant a high pick (and most likely again in 2018). They can also trade some of this elite prospect pitching they're loading up on now for hitting later. The Cubs are very thin on pitching prospects so maybe there's something that can be worked out on that front?

That's an interesting idea, If they do trade off some of it, I just doubt its the Cubs. Who knows, I could be wrong (as usual). Hahn seems different. He might trade with the Cubs, but I don't believe he will just trade to help the Cubs. If it benefits both teams he might. I believe he knows that in order to win the fan battle in Chicago he better win any trades with the Cubs.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #2310 on:** December 08, 2016, 12:19:11 pm »

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WshflThinking · « **Reply #2311 on:** December 08, 2016, 01:31:42 pm »

Interesting from the Trib:

The plan for a complete overhaul, which began with the trades of Chris Sale and Adam Eaton this week, means Renteria won’t quite know what his first Sox squad will look like until spring training. After the Sox selected right-handed pitcher Dylan Covey in the Rule 5 draft, general manager Rick Hahn said he was still “deeply engaged” with several teams about more moves, which very well could include closer David Robertson, third baseman Todd Frazier and left-hander Jose Quintana.

SoxRule · « **Reply #2312 on:** December 08, 2016, 02:42:41 pm »

If they do trade off some of it, I just doubt its the Cubs.

The Sox would never trade a superstar like Sale to the Cubs (unless they for some reason lost their minds and wanted to massively overpay). But I wonder if they would consider prospect for prospect trades? We give them our top pitching prospect for their top hitting prospect. Probably would never happen but it was a thought. I know the Cubs will be flush with money when they get their new tv deal but if they were to sign FA pitchers it will be extremely costly on top of the huge, huge payout they'll have to give Kris Bryant a few years later.

msf · « **Reply #2313 on:** December 08, 2016, 06:10:32 pm »

Quote from: WshflThinking on December 08, 2016, 08:15:49 am

so.... who goes next?

Quien sabe. While I agree that pitching wins championships and pitching is nice to acquire, where are the bats besides Moncada? We have a farm system void of ML talent. Position player of greatest need could be CF and then catcher.

We trade pitching prospect for some bats at some point. We cannot protect all these kids, so we either trade some eventually or in a couple years we have so many we lose them in Rule V draft. heh

msf · « **Reply #2314 on:** December 08, 2016, 06:12:37 pm »

Quote from: Method on December 08, 2016, 08:54:26 am

That is the point Wshfl... #1 draft pick and highest draft pool for a couple years.

Exactly, we want to be the worst team in the league for 2 or 3 years now. Otherwise why do this?

WshflThinking · « **Reply #2315 on:** December 08, 2016, 07:44:33 pm »

We trade pitching prospect for some bats at some point. We cannot protect all these kids, so we either trade some eventually or in a couple years we have so many we lose them in Rule V draft. heh

That's what it looks like to me too. Cant stockpile forever. Rules wont let them. OTOH, not all this talent is going to make it to the big leagues, there will be attrition, but you have to draft well and be able to judge talent. Sox haven't had a good track record on that.

josephc · « **Reply #2316 on:** December 08, 2016, 09:44:48 pm »

The Avifail Garcia "experiment" is over. Now it's the Avifail Garcia dumpster fire march to the #1 pick.

josephc · « **Reply #2317 on:** December 08, 2016, 09:46:07 pm »

Nationals Discuss David Robertson With White Sox

1:24pm:Â The Nationals tried to expand the Eaton deal to include Robertson, USA Today's Bob Nightengale tweets. The White Sox turned …

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WshflThinking · « **Reply #2318 on:** December 08, 2016, 11:39:59 pm »

Where the Sox are now is closer to the playoffs than they were four days ago thanks to the boldness of Hahn, the busiest man in Chicago sports this week and the boldest GM at the winter meetings. A weary but wired Hahn returned to his office Thursday to continue an awkward victory lap after hitting his stride as the Sox executive empowered finally to try a long-range approach.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-rick-hahn-rebuilding-haugh-spt-1209-20161208-column.html#nt=oft03a-1la1

I don't buy that. And how many years will it take to even get to the playoffs, even if they do? If they sell off more vets it could resemble the Cubs 5 year plan. I believe that article is just too optimistic.

msf · « **Reply #2319 on:** December 09, 2016, 06:41:26 am »

Quote from: joeconners on December 08, 2016, 09:44:48 pm

The Avifail Garcia "experiment" is over. Now it's the Avifail Garcia dumpster fire march to the #1 pick.

heh. He is such a chode.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #2320 on:** December 09, 2016, 12:03:32 pm »

They re-signed him for one year avoiding arbitration

Method · « **Reply #2321 on:** December 09, 2016, 02:20:26 pm »

Quote from: msf on December 09, 2016, 06:41:26 am

Quote from: joeconners on December 08, 2016, 09:44:48 pm
The Avifail Garcia "experiment" is over. Now it's the Avifail Garcia dumpster fire march to the #1 pick.

heh. He is such a chode.

The chode is going to make 3 mill this year... if everything goes perfect i might earn that much in my entire life.

msf · « **Reply #2322 on:** December 09, 2016, 06:31:12 pm »

Good point.

josephc · « **Reply #2323 on:** December 10, 2016, 12:14:04 pm »

White Sox Asked Astros For Musgrove, Martes, Tucker In Return For Jose Quintana

During the Winter Meetings, it emerged that the Astros had asked the White Sox about lefty Jose Quintana, and that …

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Something to read

Method · « **Reply #2324 on:** December 12, 2016, 01:04:42 pm »

Nationals just lost out on Jensen, who is returning to the dodgers. So lets hope robertson has his bags packed and on the ready to move to the DC area.

Turner resigns with the Dodgers, so that removes one suitor for his services.