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Chicago White Sox / Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Last post by msf on December 19, 2017, 01:25:49 pm »
I think Carlos Sanchez (or whatever his name is now) had a better WAR than the 2.1 Machado had last year.
Chicago White Sox / Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Last post by WshflThinking on December 19, 2017, 08:03:13 am »
Maybe move anderson to CF

Personally I'd rather keep Anderson at SS and play Machado at 3rd where we are weak. Or we could move Anderson to 3rd and play Machado at SS.
Chicago White Sox / Re: Pale Hose History
« Last post by AndyMacFAIL on December 19, 2017, 01:02:08 am »

    On December 19 in Baseball History...

    1928 -  Senators' player-manager Bucky Harris is traded to the Tigers for infielder Jack Warner. The future Hall of Famer will replace George Moriarity (68-86, 6th place) as the Motor City skipper.

    1936 - The Braves purchase Eddie Mayo from the Giants. The 26-year old infielder will see limited playing time during his two seasons in Boston hitting just .216, but will become a productive war-time player for the Tigers being named the Most Valuable Player by The Sporting News in 1945.

    1954 - Wally Moon (.304, 12, 106) becomes the first Cardinal player to be selected by the BBWAA as the National League's Rookie of the Year. The 24-year-old center fielder, who replaced Enos Slaughter in the St. Louis outfield, gets 17 of the 24 writers' votes with runners-up including future Hall of Famers Ernie Banks (4) and Hank Aaron (1).

    1976 - A single-engine plane crashes into the upper deck of Baltimore's Memorial Stadium, home of the Orioles, injuring the pilot and three others. Minutes prior to the mishap the plane had buzzed the stadium during the final moments of the Steelers play-off victory over the Colts.

    1986 - After finding no other clubs interested in signing him, free-agent pitcher and 20-game winner Jack Morris agrees to salary arbitration with the Tigers. Morris accuses the major league owners of collusion against free agents. Morris had offered to sign a one-year contract, with salary to be determined by an arbitrator, with either the Yankees, Angels, Twins, or Phillies, but was turned down by all four.

    1990 - At a press conference, Tiger management and WJR announce 1991 will be Ernie Harwell's 32nd and final season in the broadcast booth. The dismissal of the Motor City's popular play-by-play announcer starts a furor among fans which includes a threatened boycott of Domino's Pizza, a business of club owner Tom Monaghan, and the rise of the slogan, "Say It Ain't So, Bo", which appears on bumper stickers and T-shirts all over Detroit, referring to Bo Schembechler, the team president and former University of Michigan football coach.

    1991 - The Blue Jays sign free-agent veteran Dave Winfield to be their designated hitter, a role the former Angel fills well when he hits .290 with 26 home runs along with 108 RBIs. The veteran, who will become a fan favorite, provides leadership and experience en route to the team's first world championship.

    1991 - The Orioles sign former 1984 Cy Young Award Rick Sutcliffe (6-5, 4.10) as a free agent after the Cubs decline to offer him a contract due to recurring arm problems. During his two seasons with the Birds, the right-hander will compile a 26-25 record for the club, and will be Baltimore's starter in the team's first game at Oriole Park at Camden Yards.

    2001 - Several hours before a midnight deadline, Barry Bonds accepts the Giants' offer of salary arbitration. San Francisco's decision to go to arbitration avoids a bidding war for their franchise player, and this season's National League MVP's award will be likely worth at least $20 million for one year of service.

    2001 - Free agent Moises Alou (.331, 27, 108) signs a $27 million, three-year deal with the Cubs. The former Astro All-Star's presence in the Chicago line-up, along with Fred McGriff and Sammy Sosa, will give the team a fearsome 3-4-5 threesome.

    2002 - The Japan's most heralded player, 28-year-old outfield slugger Hideki Matsui (.334, 50, 107) reaches a preliminary agreement with the Yankees on a $21 million, three-year contract. 'Godzilla', the three-time Most Valuable Player of Japan's Central League, rejected the Yomiuri Giants' $33 million, four-year offer opting to play for Bronx Bombers.

    2003 - Agreeing to a $6 million, two-year contract with Angels, Jose Guillen (.311, 31, 86) will become the team's right fielder next season. The deal will give Tim Salmon the opportunity to become Anahiem's designated hitter full-time.

    2003 - Kevin Millwood agrees to the Phillies' surprise offer of salary arbitration. As the ace of the staff, the all-star hurler will anchor an outstanding rotation which includes Randy Wolf, Vicente Padilla, Eric Milton and Brett Myers.

    2003 - Gary Deporter, the managing partner of the late broadcaster Harry Caray's area restaurants, submits the winning bid of $106,600 to obtain the foul ball that Steve Bartman deflected costing the Cubs a costly out during Game 6 of the NLCS. The plan is to have the ball destroyed as an act of exorcism during a worldwide toast to Harry on his birthday, February 26.

    2006 - The Yankees purchase left-handed pitcher Kei Igawa from the Hanshin Tigers for a posting fee of $26 million, and will sign the Eiji Sawamura Award winner to a five-year deal worth another $20 million. The deal, prompted by Boston's signing of Daisuke Matsuzaka, will prove to be diastrous for the Bronx Bombers when the 27 year-old southpaw compiles a 2-4 record in 14 starts along with an ERA of 6.66 over two seasons.

    2007 - With a 3,200-word posting on his blog,, Curt Schilling urges Roger Clemens, if the right-hander is unable to clear his name, to give up the four Cy Young Awards won after 1997, the period after he allegedly starting taking performance-enhancing substances according to the Mitchell Report. The veteran Red Sox hurler acknowledged the help the 354-game winner gave him as a young pitcher, but wanted to stay consistent having noted previously Jose Canseco should forfeit the 1988 AL MVP award due to the use of steroids.

    2008 - Agreeing to stay in Anaheim, Juan Rivera (.246, 12, 45) agrees to a $12.75, three-year deal to roam the outfield for the Angels. The 30 year-old Venezuelan, who was the teamís best pinch hitter going 5-for-14, including two hits which won games, could also be used as the club's designated hitter.

    2008 - The Dodgers confirmed they have inked their current shortstop, Rafael Furcal, to a three-year deal believed to be worth $33 million. Braves president John Schuerholz, who believed he had an agreement in place to sign the 31-year old infielder earlier in the week, described the negotiation process for the free agent as dishonest, and said his team would never again deal with the Wasserman Media Group.

    2008 - The Marlins come to terms with Josh Johnson, projected to be their No. 1 starter next season. The right-hander, who returned from elbow surgery in midseason to compile a 7-1 record for the third-place Fish, agrees to a one-year, $1.4 million deal which includes incentives for the number of games started in 2009.

    2009 - Scott Rolen agrees to a two-year contract extension to stay with the Reds, a team he was dealt to last July by Toronto for third baseman Edwin Encarnacion along with pitchers Josh Roenicke and Zach Stewart. The seven-time Gold Glove winner appeared in only 40 games for Cincinnati with his playing time being diminished after getting hit in the head by a Jason Marquis fastball shortly after the trade.

    2010 - The Brewers obtain 27-year old right-handed starter Zack Greinke, as well as shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt and cash considerations, from the Royals in exchange for shortstop Alcides Escobar, outfielder Lorenzo Cain and pitching prospects Jake Odorizzi and Jeremy Jeffress. The acquisition of the 2009 American League Cy Young winner bolsters an already strong Milwaukee rotation that also includes Shaun Marcum, a recent acquisition from Toronto in a deal that sent second-base prospect Brett Lawrie to the Blue Jays.

    2011 - The Diamondbacks and free-agent Jason Kubel come to terms on a two-year deal worth a reported $15 million. The former long-time Minnesota outfielder is expected to add more punch to the reigning NL champs' offense.

    2011 - After offering a reported posting fee of $51.7 million, the Rangers win the rights to negotiate exclusively with Yu Darvish, the 25-year-old right-hander Japanese pitching ace of the Nippon Ham Fighters. Texas now has thirty days to sign the two-time MVP, who posted a 93-38 record along with a 1.99 earned run average during his seven seasons in Japan's Nippon Professional Baseball Pacific League.

    2011 - The Phillies finalize a $33 million, three-year deal with Jimmy Rollins (.268, 16, 63), which includes a vesting option for 2015 at $11 million. The 33-year old shortstop has been has been an integral part of Philadelphia's recent success of winning five consecutive NL East titles and the 2008 world championship.

    2013 - The Chicago White Sox signed Ronald Belisario as a free agent.

    2014 - The Kansas City Royals signed Alex Rios as a free agent.

    2014 - The Tampa Bay Rays traded Wil Myers, Ryan Hanigan, Gerardo Reyes and Jose Castillo to the San Diego Padres as part of 3-team trade in which the San Diego Padres sent Rene Rivera, Burch Smith and Jake Bauers to the Tampa Bay Rays; the Washington Nationals sent Steven Souza and Travis Ott to the Tampa Bay Rays; the San Diego Padres sent Joe Ross to the Washington Nationals; and the San Diego Padres sent Trea Turner to the Washington Nationals (June 14, 2015).

    2014 - The Philadelphia Phillies traded Jimmy Rollins and cash to the Los Angeles Dodgers in exchange for Tom Windle and Zach Eflin.

    2014 - The Atlanta Braves traded Justin Upton and Aaron Northcraft to the San Diego Padres in exchange for Max Fried, Jace Peterson, Dustin Peterson and Mallex Smith.

    2016 - The San Francisco Giants signed Jimmy Rollins as a free agent.

    Baseball Birthdays on December 19...

    1864 - Drissel, Mike
    1872 - Gaston, Welcome
    1875 - O'Hara, Kid
    1875 - Byers, Burley
    1879 - Welday, Mike

    1882 - Krichell, Paul
    1886 - McMahon, Doc
    1887 - Butler, Art
    1891 - Goodwin, Pep
    1892 - Thomas, Fred
    1893 - Strand, Paul
    1897 - Herrera, Mike
    1898 - Koupal, Lou
    1900 - Gilbert, Wally
    1900 - Jeanes, Tex
    1906 - Sullivan, Tom
    1915 - Yount, Eddie
    1915 - Witek, Mickey
    1917 - Poat, Ray
    1918 - O'Brien, Tommy
    1918 - DeKoning, Bill
    1923 - Freiburger, Vern
    1924 - Barney, Rex
    1933 - Windhorn, Gordie
    1934 - Kaline, Al
    1935 - Taylor, Tony
    1936 - Kubiszyn, Jack
    1943 - Williams, Walt

    1944 - Gardner, Rob
    1945 - Kusnyer, Art

    1945 - Zahn, Geoff
    1955 - Stanfield, Kevin
    1956 - Cliburn, Stan
    1956 - Cliburn, Stew
    1956 - Lawless, Tom
    1962 - Wegman, Bill
    1962 - Parker, Clay
    1964 - Fetters, Mike
    1965 - Martinez, Chito
    1966 - Slusarski, Joe
    1967 - Johns, Doug
    1968 - Mouton, James
    1970 - Wilson, Tom
    1973 - Silva, Jose
    1975 - Branyan, Russell
    1976 - Kershner, Jason
    1978 - Woodyard, Mark
    1978 - McDougall, Marshall
    1978 - Chulk, Vinnie
    1978 - Cannizaro, andy
    1979 - Ambres, Chip
    1979 - Soriano, Rafael
    1982 - Baisley, Jeff
    1984 - Kennedy, Ian
    1985 - Taylor, Michael

    1987 - Loup, Aaron
    1989 - Parmley, Ian
    1990 - Cooney, Tim
    1992 - Lrclerc, Jose
    1993 - Ramos, Edubray

    Baseball Deaths on December 19...

    1908 - Foster, Reddy
    1916 - McGuinness, John
    1916 - Allison, Doug
    1934 - Atherton, Charlie
    1938 - Griggs, Art
    1943 - Bergen, Bill
    1949 - Gibson, Robert
    1950 - Anderson, Wingo
    1951 - Lindemann, Bob
    1954 - Pfeffer, Big Jeff
    1955 - Divis, Moxie
    1965 - Knight, John
    1967 - Tappan, Walter
    1970 - Rucker, Nap
    1970 - Wilson, Charlie
    1979 - Sketchley, Bud

    1983 - Collins, Zip
    1984 - Warwick, Bill
    1986 - Stokes, Al
    1998 - Mack, Joe
    2000 - Polli, Lou
    2000 - Thuman, Lou
    2002 - Crocker, Claude
    2002 - Rinker, Bob
    2003 - Mauro, Carmen
    2008 - Ellis, Dock
    2012 - O'Donnell, George




Chicago White Sox / Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Last post by BillSharp on December 19, 2017, 12:40:16 am »
Andy - the odds of a serious career altering injury is MUCH higher for a pitcher than a position player. Your point isn't very strong.
Chicago White Sox / Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Last post by Shoeless on December 18, 2017, 05:28:42 pm »
Maybe move anderson to CF
Chicago White Sox / Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Last post by joeconners on December 18, 2017, 01:46:37 pm »
...but I guess that wouldn't make sense either, since the Orioles aren't really in need of a shortstop....
Chicago White Sox / Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Last post by joeconners on December 18, 2017, 07:13:50 am »
The only way I see a Machado deal working out is if the Sox can sign him to a big extension. Even then, I'd imagine that a trade would have to involve Anderson going to Baltimore and Machado playing SS (something he has said he wants to do).
Chicago White Sox / Re: Pale Hose History
« Last post by AndyMacFAIL on December 18, 2017, 12:06:29 am »

    On December 18 in Baseball History...

    1952 - Ellis W. Ryan resigns after failing to secure a vote of confidence at a shareholder's meeting. After losing the showdown with general manager Hank Greenberg, the president of the Indians resigns and sells his stock for a nifty profit of more than a quarter of a million dollars for the 551 shares he purchased three years ago.

    1956 - Former Yankees shortstop Phil Rizzuto signs as a Yankee radio-TV announcer.

    1973 - The Yankees announce the signing of Dick Williams as manager, precipitating a legal showdown with Charlie Finley. Two days later, AL president Joe Cronin rules that the Yankees cannot sign Williams.

    1975 - Chuck Tanner signs a three-year deal to manage the A's. After compiling a 87-74 (.540) record to finish in second place, Oakland will release the New Castle, PA native from his contract allowing him to manage the Pirates in exchange for catcher Manny Sanguillen and $100,000 from Pittsburgh.

    1981 - The Reds swap third baseman Ray Knight to the Astros for outfielder Cesar Cedeno. The trade will help both clubs with each player spending at least 2+ years in a productive role with their new team.

    1985 - The Giants trade Rob Deer to the Brewers for farmhands Eric Pilkington and Dean Freeland.

    1990 - The NL announces the six finalist cities for the two expansion clubs that will join the league in Buffalo, Denver, Miami, Orlando, Tampa-St. Petersburg, and Washington, D.C.

    2000 - Charles Johnson, the catcher when the team won the 1997 World Series, agrees to return to the Marlins signs a five-year contract worth $35 million. The 29-year old backstop batted .304 with 31 home runs and 91 RBIs for the Orioles and White Sox last season.

    2000 - Free agent Sandy Alomar Jr. agrees to a $5.4 million, two-year deal with the White Sox. The former Indians catcher will replace Charles Johnson, who earlier in the day signed to a $35 million, five-year contract with the Marlins.

    2001 - Filling the void created by Mark McGwire's unexpected retirement, the Cardinals sign first baseman Tino Martinez to a $21 million, three-year contract. After he was replaced in the Yankees lineup by Jason Giambi, the former Bronx Bomber said the Cardinals were his first choice as a free agent.

    2001 - John Rocker is traded to the Rangers from the Indians for minor league pitcher David Elder. The reliever, not known for his clubhouse diplomacy, will join recently acquired Carl Everett, who also has had difficulties with management and teammates.

    2002 - After spending the previous six seasons with the Giants, the 2000 National League MVP Jeff Kent (.313, 37, 108) signs an $18.2 million, two-year contract with the Astros. The 34-year old Texas resident's presence on the team moves four-time second base Gold Glove winner, Craig Biggio to the outfield.

    2002 - The Rangers sign free agent Doug Glanville to a reported one-year, $1 million deal. In July, Texas will trade the former Philadelphia outfielder to Chicago, where he will be the hero of the Cubs' 5-4 victory over Florida when he triples home the winning run in the top of the 11th inning in Game 3 of the NLCS.

    2003 - Adam Kennedy (.269, 13, 49) agrees to an $8.85 million, three-year deal with the Angels. The 28-year old second baseman has a career average of .277, 36 homers and 229 RBIs during his four years with Anaheim.

    2004 - Two days after trading pitching ace Tim Hudson (17-8, 4.43) to the Braves, the A's deal Mark Mulder to the Cardinals for starting pitcher Dan Haren, reliever Kiko Calero and minor league catching prospect Daric Barton. Five of the six players obtained by giving up two-thirds of the teamís ĎBig Threeí are expected to be part of the opening day roster for Oakland.

    2005 - The bat Pete Rose used to hit his 159th career home run in 1985 is acquired by for $103,631.91 during Lelands Winter 2005 Auction. The on-line c@sino, infamous for placing winning bids for the Dallas Grassy Knoll fence and the Virgin Mary Grilled Cheese Sandwich, plans to raise money for charity by sawing the bat in half to determine if the bat is corked as is widely believed.

    2007 - In a statement released by his attorney, Randy Hendricks, Roger Clemens vehemently denies the allegations put forth by the Mitchell Report concerning his use of performance-enhancing drugs. Brian McNamee, the former trainer of the seven-time Cy Young Award winner, states in the report he injected Clemens with steroids and human growth hormone at least 16 times while Clemens was a member of the 1998 Blue Jays and the 2000-01 Yankees.

    2008 - Sixteen-year-olds Bill Pena, a catcher, and southpaw Gregory Baez agree to contracts with the Nationals. The Dominican youngsters were scouted by the team at the Loma del Sueno complex in San Cristobal.

    2008 - The Astros sign free-agent Aaron Boone (.241, 6, 28) to a $750,000, one-year contract deal. The former National infielder will who will share third base with Geoff Blum, and Chris Johnson, fills the void created when the team didn't tender Ty Wigginton a contract as a means of cutting the payroll, making the infielder a free agent.

    2009 - The Orioles finalize their $12 million, two-year deal with Mike Gonzalez hoping the veteran southpaw reliever can outpitch his competition this spring to become a dependable closer for the team, that has not had one since trading George Sherrill to L.A. at the end of July. The 31-year old Texan posted a 5-4 record with 10 saves for Atlanta last season, and in 2006 compiled a career-high 24 saves for the Pirates before undergoing elbow ligament replacement surgery the following season.

    2009 - Avoiding arbitration, Ricky Nolasco and the Marlins agree to a $3.8 million, one-year deal, which is an increase of $1.4 million from last season. The team's Opening Day starter posted a 13-9 record compiling an ERA of 5.06 for the Fish last season.

    2009 - The Cubs trade outcast Milton Bradley to the Mariners in exchange for starting pitcher Carlos Silva (1-3, 8.60), Seattle's very costly and underachieving right-hander. Chicago suspended the outspoken and unpopular outfielder for his criticism of the atmosphere surrounding the team as being the reason the club hasnít won a World Series since 1908.

    2009 - The Chicago White Sox traded John Ely and Jon Link to the Los Angeles Dodgers completing trade in which the Los Angeles Dodgers traded Juan Pierre to the Chicago White Sox in exchange for 2 players to be named later (December 15, 2009).

    2015 - The Chicago White Sox signed Hector Sanchez as a free agent.

    Baseball Birthdays on December 18...

    1842 - Wolters, Rynie
    1860 - Hamill, John
    1864 - Oldfield, Dave
    1870 - Rothermel, Bobby
    1873 - Clymer, Bill
    1881 - Essick, Bill
    1881 - Perry, Clay
    1883 - Knolls, Hub
    1886 - Cobb, Ty
    1886 - Murphy, Dummy
    1889 - Napier, Buddy
    1893 - Mulrenan, Dominic

    1893 - Williams, Rinaldo
    1893 - Jacobus, Larry
    1894 - Covington, Sam
    1897 - Richbourg, Lance
    1899 - Barnes, Sam
    1902 - Burke, Les
    1902 - Buskey, Joe
    1906 - Coffman, Dick
    1908 - Pattison, Jimmy
    1911 - Triplett, Coaker
    1915 - Barrett, Johnny
    1924 - Gorman, Herb
    1929 - Cimoli, Gino
    1930 - Baxes, Mike
    1930 - Skowron, Bill

    1938 - White, Mike
    1939 - Versalles, Zoilo
    1944 - Hovley, Steve
    1944 - O'Brien, Syd

    1951 - Ramirez, Orlando
    1953 - Howell, Roy
    1955 - Clancy, Jim
    1958 - Nielsen, Scott

    1961 - Hengel, Dave
    1961 - Bailes, Scott
    1963 - Czajkowski, Jim
    1965 - Blair, Willie
    1969 - Randa, Joe
    1970 - Gulan, Mike
    1972 - Seelbach, Chris
    1974 - Carter, Lance
    1974 - Rodriguez, Jose
    1977 - Acevedo, Jose
    1983 - Brown, Jordan
    1984 - Rodriguez, Josh
    1986 - Carter, Chris

    1987 - Brothers, Rex
    1987 - Owens, Rudy
    1989 - Jungmann, Taylor
    1990 - Johnson, Micah

    1993 - Buxton, Byron

    Baseball Deaths on December 18...

    1899 - Truax, Fred
    1904 - Clapp, John
    1931 - Matteson, C.V.
    1933 - Robinson, Fred
    1940 - Kiley, John
    1943 - Conway, Bill
    1951 - Ohl, Joe
    1955 - Caster, George
    1960 - Nehf, Art
    1974 - Hooper, Harry

    1975 - Allen, Bob
    1976 - Harris, Ned
    1981 - Brown, Jake
    1986 - Shanner, Bill
    1990 - Gibson, Charlie
    2001 - Howerton, Bill
    2004 - Vaughan, Glenn
    2010 - Cavarretta, Phil

    2015 - Hernandez, Evelio





Chicago White Sox / Re: Suggestions & Comments
« Last post by msf on December 17, 2017, 07:52:30 pm »
Ohhh, I saw the picture of Foulke and figured he died or something. Now I know why it is posted.
Chicago White Sox / Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Last post by AndyMacFAIL on December 17, 2017, 06:49:13 pm »
Even if the Orioles granted a 72-hr window to work out an extension, Machado has absolutely no reason not test free agency. He's going to get a MEGA contract from someone and it makes no sense for him not to see what's out there and play other teams against each other to keep raising the bidding. The Sox may offer a very, very big amount but there's no amount the Dodgers or Yankees couldn't top if they decide they really want him. And for as good as Machado is, there does get to be a point where the money he'll command is just not practical. Forget about Bryce Harper, too. That guy's a dbag.

There's one reason to consider agreeing to a multi-year contract now before reaching free agency next off-season.  It's called potential injury.  Just think of two recent White Sox pitchers, Gavin Floyd and John Danks.  Floyd turned down the multi-year deal and Danks took it.  Floyd got hurt and never got a big contract offer again.  Danks got hurt too but AFTER he signed the pre-free agency $60M deal so he collected on all of it.

Now the odds favor the player getting more money by waiting until free agency, but injuries do happen which seriously affect their earning potential.  Just ask Gavin Floyd as Danks' career earnings are more than double Floyd's even though Floyd accumulated more MLB service time than Danks.
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