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The place to critique the workings of Jerry, Kenny, Rick Hahn,
Ozzie, Robin,
Brooks Boyer, Buddy Bell, Doug Laumann, Scott Reifert, Herm Schneider, Roger Bossard, etc.
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discuss this year's White Sox team here.
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If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?
Do a Smoltzy thing with him?
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If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?
Do a Smoltzy thing with him?
That may not be a bad idea....
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i'm in for that :D
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If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?
Do a Smoltzy thing with him?
It would just be nice to have Humber be available for the pen. Why the hell did we even send Milledge down for a pitcher, we have not even used him yet. Sometimes I wonder about this club.
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They just didn't like havinng 11 pitchers MSF....
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What about boy wonder Rick Hahn?
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What about boy wonder Rick Hahn?
Never hear of him anymore. Pretty sure he is still around too.
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What's Matt Thornton's problem?
<Bill Melton>
He's Matt Thornton!
</Bill>
http://www.beerleaguer.com/whitesox/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-matt-thornton.html
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If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?
Do a Smoltzy thing with him?
It would just be nice to have Humber be available for the pen. Why the hell did we even send Milledge down for a pitcher, we have not even used him yet. Sometimes I wonder about this club.
Our pen has done so well, we haven't need him
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What's Matt Thornton's problem?
<Bill Melton>
He's Matt Thornton!
</Bill>
http://www.beerleaguer.com/whitesox/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-matt-thornton.html
Ahhhh... that never gets old. Now go buy Bill his 6th Kettle One.
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Hey Ozzie, what do you think of your team so far this season?
(http://tedwilliamshead.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/102_ozzie_choke_bdd.jpg)
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"If we play like we did today, we are going to win a lot of games," said White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, who was noticeably more upbeat in comparison to his last postgame press conference Wednesday. "We battled pretty good today. I like the way they show up."
<Monotone Moran voice on>Yaaaayyy<off>
This sounds more like something you might hear out of a team that would be thrilled to finish the season over .500. I know it's just a quote and what he's saying this early in the year, but, 14 errors into this season. . . .yaaaayyyy.
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"If we play like we did today, we are going to win a lot of games," said White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, who was noticeably more upbeat in comparison to his last postgame press conference Wednesday. "We battled pretty good today. I like the way they show up."
<Monotone Moran voice on>Yaaaayyy<off>
This sounds more like something you might hear out of a team that would be thrilled to finish the season over .500. I know it's just a quote and what he's saying this early in the year, but, 14 errors into this season. . . .yaaaayyyy.
I agree. They're mighty mediocre right now.
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They are trying to catch the Twins for last place
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Doesn't sound like Phil Humber has to worry about losing his place in the rotation for quite awhile: :(
Peavy leaves rehab start with discomfort
Right-hander throws just 15 pitches before exiting
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story)
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Doesn't sound like Phil Humber has to worry about losing his place in the rotation for quite awhile: :(
Peavy leaves rehab start with discomfort
Right-hander throws just 15 pitches before exiting
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story)
Smoltzify him.
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Jake Peavy = Mark Prior
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yep, most likely he is toast, guessing by the time he gets healthy, if ever, he will be in another org.
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I can't fault Kenny for the Peavy trade because no one knew he'd be this injury prone, but damn, San Diego won that trade in landslide!
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I'd say the jury is still out on the Peavy deal. Richard is going to end up a very average pitcher it appears. I do think we'll regret the Hudson trade and the Swisher debacle will haunt KW for a long time
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I think the jury is still out too. However I am not sold Peavey will ever regain his Cy Young form he had with the Padres.
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Whats with Danks's weight gain? He appears to have gained about 20-30 lbs. His face is noticibly fuller too
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Headline from whitesox.com on my igoogle:
Danks, hitters tip caps to Rays' Shields
First sighting of the classic paying of obeisance we all know and love? Know it's not the last.
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I take it that we are continuing our drive to the basement of the AL Central.
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Since returning from an April 6 appendectomy that forced him to miss six games, Dunn is 2-for-23 (.087) with 14 strikeouts in six games. He has struck out three times in each of his last two games played.
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Maybe they should try to put it back in.
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That deserves some Karma points...
I wish they had that feature here.
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Heh.
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That deserves some Karma points...
I wish they had that feature here.
They do but I shut it off.
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That deserves some Karma points...
I wish they had that feature here.
They do but I shut it off.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That deserves some Karma points...
I wish they had that feature here.
They do but I shut it off.
Damn, you took away my fun of smiting Jeter.
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Pretty sure this was done because it was becoming clear that BlackSox would wantonly abuse this feature.
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Is there anything that BlackSox doesn't wantonly abuse?
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54-36
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NO, Ozzie will have him bunt his way out.
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?
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The 2011 White Sox and Sox Management topics have been merged.
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Good idea.
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The Rios deal is an albatross right now. He's probably the worst player on the team.
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The Rios deal is an albatross right now. He's probably the worst player on the team.
I have a few other candidates in mind
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Gotta agree with Shoeless...
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I'm wondering if we can't package Teahen, Lillibridge, Rios, Thornton and maybe one or two more for five or six lower-level, highly regarded prospects in some other org.
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not unless we're willing to throw in 60-70 million.
I'm hoping Gardner keeps failing in Nyy. they might take Rios off our hands... we've had a certain lvl of success dumping contracts on the yanks.
If we're out of it, i'd LOVE to see us trade MB or Jackson to NYY for Montero. shoot they can have both for Montero/Nova/Betances/noesi.
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I'd be interested in taking a look at the Red Sox forums about a dozen or so games into the season. I'm sure they'd be just as wussed-out and whiny and resigned as this one.
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I'd be interested in taking a look at the Red Sox forums about a dozen or so games into the season. I'm sure they'd be just as wussed-out and whiny and resigned as this one.
No, no, we're more wussed-out and whiny than anyone. We're the best at that, dammit.
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I'd be interested in taking a look at the Red Sox forums about a dozen or so games into the season. I'm sure they'd be just as wussed-out and whiny and resigned as this one.
Do it Jeter and then come back and report back to us and let us know how we compare.
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Hmm, is Sons of Sam Horn considered a good one for that? That's the one I always hear about. It's probably the WSI equivalent.
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Did they fire a coach yet? You know, to "spark the team".
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JJ
With the recent style change to a vegas gold & black scheme, are you going to stick with the orange effect avatar?
We'll have to get a ruling from our fashion police if the orange effect clashes with the new setup.
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So is this where I say that Greg Walker doesn't seem to be pulling his weight?
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Hes another one that will get never get canned. should have been gone a couple years ago.
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But Quentin and Paulie are hitting pretty well. So you have to fire Walker from working with all the players who are not--it's clearly his fault that Rios and Beckham and Morel suck--but don't fire him from working with Quentin and Paulie. In fact, you have to give him a raise for his Quentin work this year.
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But Quentin and Paulie are hitting pretty well. So you have to fire Walker from working with all the players who are not--it's clearly his fault that Rios and Beckham and Morel suck--but don't fire him from working with Quentin and Paulie. In fact, you have to give him a raise for his Quentin work this year.
I hear what you are saying, but I cannot credit Walker for Quentin or Kong, they are just pure professional hitters. Not sure they would even need a hittingl coach. I was thinking about saying exactly what Joseph brought up, but not sure it would help the team. We need to do something to break up this status quo however.
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I agree with MSF on that one... whats walker done to develop guys or help out young bats?
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I hear what you are saying, but I cannot credit Walker for Quentin or Kong, they are just pure professional hitters. Not sure they would even need a hittingl coach.
I thought I read a quote from Paulie once before where he credited Walker for helping him get out of one of his slumps. And Quentin obviously needed some help too.
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Maybe Coop should try using this with the bullpen staff:
(http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=d30bab556176b257b9a81609117dca85&w=450.0)
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I just don't think any hitting coach does all that much. It's not like an offensive coordinator in football.
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Sergio Santos – It’s now back to back saves but this last 2 out save should go to Brent Lillibridge who made two outstanding plays in RF. Lillibridge fields like he’s nailing Sergio Santos’ sister. Juan Pierre fields like Thornton is nailing Juan’s sister.
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For reference:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dGduSVZZY0J2OUtCV0s2ZUdLVkpMQmc&output=html
[Edited: Thanks BlackSox. Your link has been added to the sticky 'Quick Reference Links' topic.]
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Is Ozzie feeling the heat?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/guillen-discusses-future-in-chicago.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29
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OK, after examining it and thinking about it, I have to ask: BlackSox, what is avatar? I'm thinking that guy is in an army uniform but can't be sure.
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almost looks like the sidekick in Good Morning Vietnam
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OK, after examining it and thinking about it, I have to ask: BlackSox, what is avatar? I'm thinking that guy is in an army uniform but can't be sure.
"You just made the list, buddy"
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Gah, I THOUGHT it might be Stripes. I should have guessed it here. Even did a search > black guy stripes movie - and got some interesting results, but not what I was looking for.
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"We're all in", says management. But what are they in?
- The Shytter
- Debt
- Over their heads
- Trouble
- Losertown
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(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/create-a-forum/surgeon-general-warning2-1.gif)
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Yes it is and the Surgeon General didnt have to warn me.
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Accidentally caught part of the postgame for a recent game, and the guy who's not Bill Melton said something like "when you're going extremely well, you're never that good, and when you're going bad, you're never that bad either", point being that the Sox are a better team than what we've been seeing.
The thing about that is, even "better than they are currently" might only get them to a less severe level of suck. Is "better" .500? Meh.
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I'd say the Sox are historically bad, so might as well enjoy it. "Histerically" bad?
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This is why I hate when this team actually has high expectations. It seems that's when we're let down the most. Remember the "It's Time" campaign? Didn't they have all those public signs removed because the team was so bad to start that year that that slogan was embarrassing?
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Shouldn't the title of this thread be Sox Mis-management?
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Send Morel down, yes.
But maybe not stop there -- send Beckham down too, let him get his swing and confidence back. How is Lillibridge at 2B? I seem to recall that IF is his original position -- maybe plug him in at 2B and put Vizquel at 3B and, dare I say, let Teahen spell him on occasion. At least shore up the defense so that the starting pitching, which hasn't been all that bad, might win them a few 2-1, 3-2 squeakers until the offense wakes up (and the offense WILL wake up -- hopefully before the Sox have buried themselves further in the standings).
Regardless, some kind of shake-up is in order here....
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When I look at Brent Morel, I think "Joe Borchard". Someone explain this phenomenon. Actually, don't.
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Heh:
Sox management shoved “All In,’’ apparently with 7-deuce off suit
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-white-sox-season-is-over-so-kenny-williams-had-better-start-trading-20110502,0,1941110.column
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7-deuce off suit
I had to look that up to find out what it meant.
Texas Hold'Em sucks, by the way. What a sh1ttay card game....
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waive Pierre, waive Pena.
Send Beckham down and let Omar/Lilli lead off and play 2nd. Consider that a temporary move: with more plate appearances, those two and Castro will come back to the mean.
EDIT: let Castro play a lot more. Let AJ sit and stew.
I'd keep Morel up for now: he should get a chance to battle back at the plate. But I'd keep looking for available 3rd basemen.
Bring up Viciedo and let him and Teahen and Lilli share time in left. Keep looking for a decent bat to bring in to play left.
The injuns' schedule has actually been very favorable: they beat up on Mariners, Royals, bad Red Sox, Orioles but were pretty average against White Sox, Angels. Now they face Red Sox, Reds, Angels and A's on the road, Tampa. If the Sox get to about 24-30 by end of May, the Indians should be closer to 30-24. If that doesn't happen, fire Greg Walker.
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7-deuce offsuit
Blacksox was excellent in that band. Townes Van Zandt tribute if I recall. They were going places. But then this dude (http://www.myspace.com/sevendeuceoffsuit) threatened a lawsuit even those he's some guy in a basement somewhere, and they wimped out.
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What nickname best suits Adam Dunn at the moment?
Nora
Gertrude
Holly
Emma
Gertrude is the obvious choice, but my vote is for Emma.
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I was thinking "Get the F*ck out and then you're", but that only makes sense if one is familiar with the last track on "The Chronic".
"Nora"? Oooh, that's low. Horrible SNL cast member.
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Jeter -- nice find... is that for real?
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I guess that is for real. Think I like "Beat #2" the best.
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Shouldn't the title of this thread be Sox Mis-management?
A guy I worked with many, many years ago coined the phrase manglement when referring to the management of a under-performing company.
So we'll use his term in the topic's title until this team's record approaches within a few games of .500.
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Phil Humber - The third overall pick in the 2004 draft, Humber had not come close to putting it together in the majors until last year. Now a starter for the first time in his MLB career, Humber is pitching for his fifth organization in as many years. So far, the results have been tremendous. He has a 3.06 ERA through five starts with a 21K/8BB ratio. Opponents have been unlucky against Humber on balls in play, and only 5% of their fly balls have left the yard, so that 3.06 ERA may climb closer to 4.00. Still, Humber looks like one of the shrewdest waiver claims of the winter.
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We still seem poised to reach 100 L's
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quote author=WshflThinking link=topic=7.msg1216#msg1216 date=1304434161]
We still seem poised to reach 100 L's
[/quote]
Nope. This is still a 90-win club. There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break...
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We still seem poised to reach 100 L's
Nope. This is still a 90-win club. There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break...
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We still seem poised to reach 100 L's
Nope. This is still a 90-win club. There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break...
This wont be a 90 win team playing this brand of baseball
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Which "brand" is it? Old Milwaukee? Bud Light? Miller Chill?
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This is still a 90-win club. There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break
You tell 'em, chief. I've already called shotgun, so the rest of you squeeze into the back.
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4n, since you called shotgun, your job as co-pilot is to run the tunes and spot the cops. We're all counting on you.
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This is still a 90-win club. There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break
You tell 'em, chief. I've already called shotgun, so the rest of you squeeze into the back.
This team has a better chance at 100 losses than it does 90 wins
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Cowley piles on:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/5171180-452/sox-fans-can-brace-for-a-wreck.html
Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung.
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one of his better pieces. sans the arrogance
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Cowley piles on:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/5171180-452/sox-fans-can-brace-for-a-wreck.html
Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung.
You have a problem with Cowley's correctness?
He made it seem like it couldn’t get any lower.
On Tuesday night, it did. Lower by about 6 feet after Minnesota Twins pitcher Francisco Liriano — he of the 9.13 ERA heading into the series against the Sox — no-hit the hapless South Siders in their own backyard 1-0. A hammer, a few nails, some dirt on top and a headstone. Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung
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Cowley piles on:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/5171180-452/sox-fans-can-brace-for-a-wreck.html
Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung.
Pretty accurate, for the most part.
The only chance we really have is if these players somehow "snap out of it" and elevate their level of play.
But I don't see that happening. If it was only a couple of players dragging us down, that would be one thing... but nearly the entire team is playing like s h i t.
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You have a problem with Cowley's correctness?
Not at all. Not sure why you inferred that.
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Tremstra, on ther other hand, has a big problem with it.
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Time for some Juan Pierre Fun Facts, courtesy of Unky Phil:
Liriano's three-walk game of Juan Pierre is interesting. It's only the sixth three-walk game of Pierre's career, but the second in the last three days. He's had only 33 multi-walk games in his 11-year career.
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-your-morning-phil-liriano-mauer-pierre-20110504,0,471180.story
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Given his defense, and baserunning this year, he's going to need to walk to about a .390 OBP to be valuable.
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I'm starting to think that sacking Ozzie may not be a bad idea after all. Providing that it's done right -- i.e. no ugly fallout (yeah, a tall order with any controversy involving Guillen), keep him within the org, etc.).
Not sure that Cora would be a suitable replacement though. Get someone in there with a different approach to managing.
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Y'know, if I'm Jake Peavy. . .
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I'm starting to think that sacking Ozzie may not be a bad idea after all. Providing that it's done right -- i.e. no ugly fallout (yeah, a tall order with any controversy involving Guillen), keep him within the org, etc.).
Not sure that Cora would be a suitable replacement though. Get someone in there with a different approach to managing.
I personally think we should bring in Jim Thome as manager. Love that guy. Class act and all that. Bring him back to the org.
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Again - when can we fire Greg Walker?
The offense is f'ing talented. VERY talented.
Konerko is the only one hitting worth a damn right now. Quentin started hot, but he's cooling off.
In the no-hitter, those two were the only two guys in the starting lineup hitting above .250.
Every year, we have this conversation with the underachieving offense. Yes, you can point to the success of Konerko, and yes, you can point to the success of Quentin early on, but I can point to the failures of Rios, Beckham, Pierre, AJ, Morel, Dunn, .... and that's just this year.
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It's becoming obvious that Walker has pictures... lots of 'em.
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Again - when can we fire Greg Walker?
The offense is f'ing talented. VERY talented.
Konerko is the only one hitting worth a damn right now. Quentin started hot, but he's cooling off.
In the no-hitter, those two were the only two guys in the starting lineup hitting above .250.
Every year, we have this conversation with the underachieving offense. Yes, you can point to the success of Konerko, and yes, you can point to the success of Quentin early on, but I can point to the failures of Rios, Beckham, Pierre, AJ, Morel, Dunn, .... and that's just this year.
I think that Dunn will eventually come around, but it will probably be too late to save this season. Obviously, he was rushed back way too fast from his appendectomy.
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Well, I've found Beckham's problem:
http://www.sunherald.com/2011/05/03/3077124/gordon-beckham-of-the-chicago.html
He's just a cheap bastard. Look for a bounceback year in 2012.
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Again - when can we fire Greg Walker?
The offense is f'ing talented. VERY talented.
Konerko is the only one hitting worth a damn right now. Quentin started hot, but he's cooling off.
In the no-hitter, those two were the only two guys in the starting lineup hitting above .250.
Every year, we have this conversation with the underachieving offense. Yes, you can point to the success of Konerko, and yes, you can point to the success of Quentin early on, but I can point to the failures of Rios, Beckham, Pierre, AJ, Morel, Dunn, .... and that's just this year.
I think that Dunn will eventually come around, but it will probably be too late to save this season. Obviously, he was rushed back way too fast from his appendectomy.
I heard an interesting suggestion on the Score today. Holmes was filling in for Speigs today and he was talking about the Peavey and Rios deals and said maybe it was time to get rid of KW and replace him with Hahn. I cant say I'd be against that idea
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I heard an interesting suggestion on the Score today. Holmes was filling in for Speigs today and he was talking about the Peavey and Rios deals and said maybe it was time to get rid of KW and replace him with Hahn. I cant say I'd be against that idea
Rios cost us nothing but money. Last year he earned it, and it's too early to say he won't this year as well.
Peavy hasn't cost us anything crucial either, and no one could have foresaw his injury. If he comes back and performs, that's still a good trade. He's a former Cy Young winner with the potential to be our ace.
If KW is to be fired, it should be for the ridiculous way in which he handled Nick Swisher, his immediate extension of Teahen and his complete devastation of our farm system.
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If KW is to be fired, it should be for the ridiculous way in which he handled Nick Swisher, his immediate extension of Teahen and his complete devastation of our farm system.
Agreed, but I would still include Rios, and Pierre, in the equation. Couldn't KW have made better choices than those two?
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Agreed, but I would still include Rios, and Pierre, in the equation. Couldn't KW have made better choices than those two?
I don't think either one is an egregious mistake. Pierre is an upgrade over the previous occupant in LF, and Rios might not be worth what we're paying him, but he hasn't been a bust. Streaky hitter who can play defense. Again, upgrade over the previous player.
On the other hand, we're empty-handed for Swisher and didn't bother to replace him until signing Dunn.
Teahen is a waste of any money we've given him, and gave up a better player in the bargain.
I still think with our rotation and the bats return to expectations, it isn't impossible for us to recover. The division is hardly stellar and no one is going to run away. 85 wins might be enough.
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Pierre is an upgrade over the previous occupant in LF
I do not agree. Pods was better with the bat, had just as much speed and even getting picked off as much as he did is about equal to the number of times Pierre has been caught stealing already this year, and Pods was not that much worse in left field than Pierre. All in all, I don't see how Pierre has been an upgrade.
And to me, there seemed to be a spark with Pods in the lineup. I don't see that with JP.
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I do not agree. Pods was better with the bat, had just as much speed and even getting picked off as much as he did is about equal to the number of times Pierre has been caught stealing already this year, and Pods was not that much worse in left field than Pierre. All in all, I don't see how Pierre has been an upgrade.
And to me, there seemed to be a spark with Pods in the lineup. I don't see that with JP.
The only things Pantywaist brought to this team were a hot wife and an uncanny knack for short-hopping routine flyballs.
I am unforgiving.
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And that was more than Pierre has brought to this team. Pierre literally adds nothing.
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And lets not give Quentin a pass on his time in LF either. Pierre was an upgrade over Quentin too
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And lets not give Quentin a pass on his time in LF either. Pierre was an upgrade over Quentin too
Yeah, because Pierre sure hasn't dropped any fly balls or anything like that...
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manglement?
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Quote from: WshflThinking on Today at 04:46:19 pmAnd lets not give Quentin a pass on his time in LF either. Pierre was an upgrade over Quentin too
Yeah, because Pierre sure hasn't dropped any fly balls or anything like that...
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The operative word in Wshfl's quote is "was"
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:-*
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Never seen someone lose speed so fast as JP.
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Just a hunch -- this team is about to turn the corner. Starting pitching has been excellent (I think I saw that they've reeled off seven straight Quality Starts) and the bats are starting to come around. Last four series they've gone 1-1-2 and have been a hit or two away from a win in most of the games.
Of course, I'll attribute this "hunch" to Koolaid poisoning if they play like a bunch of pansies in Anaheim and Oakland.
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Another thought -- not sure if this has been brought up before:
I have little interest in replacing Humber with Peavy in the rotation at this point and Santos has been very nice in the closer's role. But what about converting Peavy to a closer?
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They miss both Haren and Weaver, so there's that.
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Another thought -- not sure if this has been brought up before:
I have little interest in replacing Humber with Peavy in the rotation at this point and Santos has been very nice in the closer's role. But what about converting Peavy to a closer?
I think we've thrown that idea around... doubt KW's ego will allow him to use Peavy as anything other then a starter..
Plus if hes a starter the chances of him hurting himself and the insurance company paying his salary rise drastically.
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I don't think a guy with so many injury problems would be the ideal guy to have to get up and throw every day, especially without notice. If you want to collect all the insurance money on Peavy, this would be a good way to do it.
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Another reason why I like Oziie:
Manager Ozzie Guillen had a snappy reply Monday night after being asked if the White Sox have an advantage in not facing Jered Weaver or Dan Haren in this week's series against the Angels: "No s h i t".
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-sox-satisfied-with-win-no-matter-the-opponent-20110509,0,5726396.story
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That one's going on facebook....
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That one's going on facebook....
Fail.
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Going on facebook in the first place is fail enough.
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It's a generational thing....
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No... no its not.
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Going on facebook in the first place is fail enough.
Loveland is a closet Farmville addict.
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Why do grown women send me gifts of baby squids? And what kind of farm has squids?
If I ever send anyone such a gift ban me.
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Jeff Gray, we hardly knew thee...
The White Sox designated righty Jeff Gray for assignment to open a spot on the 25-man roster for Jake Peavy, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin. The move leaves the Sox with 35 players on their 40-man roster.
Gray, 29, tossed 13 1/3 innings for the Sox this year, including a nice three-inning effort yesterday. The team had signed Gray to a minor league deal in December after he'd been outrighted by the Cubs. Gray had been part of the December '09 deal that sent Jake Fox and Aaron Miles to Oakland.
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Cripes, the kid has done ok, should have released Pena instead
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I agree - not too thrilled about it. I was thinking they send Sale down and let hiom start at Charlotte the rest of the year to get ready for 2012. But getting rid of Pena is okay by me.
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Cripes, the kid has done ok, should have released Pena instead
Agreed. It seems that Sox management is inordinately attached to keeping dead wood (Teahen, Pierre, Pena, Thornton) around.
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Why do grown women send me gifts of baby squids? And what kind of farm has squids?
If I ever send anyone such a gift ban me.
You can block all those things on face book... when you hit decline it will ask you "block farmville"?
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That would require logging on wouldn't it.
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That would require logging on wouldn't it.
Indeed.
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You took the time to create a Facebook account, so what was the point if you don't want to use it?
I don't get it. IMO, great communication tool. There's a reason it's worth billions.
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Its worth keeping in contact with long lost friends... sending a message once in a while.
The rest of it... with the retarded games... the stupid requests for retarded games. along with hearing every thing certain people are doing every moment of the day is annoying as ****.
I dont need to know the consistency of each of your bowel movements... and thats about the level of content being posted on facebook....
Facebook should have been a way to keep in touch with people... its turned into an exercise in trying to make money thru that concept along with a forum to some people to indulge in their vanity 24/7.
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I have turned down invitations to join Facebook. Just doesnt interest me
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Well that doesnt help our case... you dont like firefox.... :)
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I dont need to know the consistency of each of your bowel movements...
That might make Facebook more interesting
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Reading this thread, I'm wondering how the Facebook experience is so different from this forum experience . . .
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Probably not much different than Facebook here but I dont need more to make me happy. Dont need another addiction.
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Eh, no one on this forum posts what they're making for dinner or that they're headed to Target or out looking for boxes to start packing for their big move. Some people update their status 10 times a day. Who the heck cares???????? It is very annoying (and dumb).
I like to reconnect with old friends, see pics of them and their family, etc.
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I completely agree, I hate facebook
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That's more or less what I use it for. Some of the stuff my friends post is funny.
That's about it though.
I appreciate it when folks post really good recipes and stuff (hint, hint, Camel....).
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You'll definitely want to check out "The Swimming Pig Guy" (updates coming! promised since May 2010!) as well as my periodic updates on variations of oatmeal I am eating for lunch. Occasional Bosco Chocolate Syrup news as well.
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That's more or less what I use it for. Some of the stuff my friends post is funny.
That's about it though.
I appreciate it when folks post really good recipes and stuff (hint, hint, Camel....).
This used to be a great thing about facebook 2 years ago... but now to find the one good thing that camel might post... one has to wade thru 1000 posts like the ones Sox rule mentioned.
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Or how about the many times people will post 2 lines of lyrics to a song. Okay. That adds nothing of value.
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Then there is crap like this... where some asshat posts an update concerning an update on another page....
Schlitzie Surtees
Major changes coming to The Swimming Pig Guy page soon! Tell all your little Facebook Friends!
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Did I tell you guys I had a tasty jelly donut for breakfast this morning? mmmmm!!!!!
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@ 153 and 154- pretty sure I covered your material in #150. Everyone's playing the Fury13 "Blunt Echo" game all of a sudden.
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Missed your 150. Agree my 154 added little.
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Miss a little, miss a lot. Well, actually, quite the opposite is true where JhonJeterWD40 posts are concerned.
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Hawk & Wimpy reunion this weekend. And plenty of annoying crowd sounds, too.
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Probably not much different than Facebook here but I dont need more to make me happy. Dont need another addiction.
Me neither, heroin is plenty
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News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.
He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.
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Me neither, **** is plenty
Field Day time!! Where is that giant tee photo.
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I put a 6 letter word in there for a very addictive drug, and it replaced it with 4 asterisks???
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You've graduated to her0in?
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I was bored
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I respect you taking a proactive approach to dealing with the situation then.
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I suppose it is not a thing I should make light of, could get in trouble just kidding about that kind of stuff.
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News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.
He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.
Bring him up. Find a spot for him.
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Who do the Sox move into that leadoff spot?
Not that pretty much anybody wouldn't be an upgrade to what Pierre is providing right now....
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Omar... or mabe even Rios if he gets his crap together.
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News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.
He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.
Bring him up. Find a spot for him.
bat boy? or fat boy?
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News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.
He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.
Bring him up. Find a spot for him.
bat boy? or fat boy?
Viciedo can flat-out hit... which is more than we can say for your boy Morel.
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Viciedo can flat-out hit... which is more than we can say for your boy Morel.
Well your boy Cede couldnt hit either when he first came up and Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either. I still think Morel can hit big league pitching. Hey I am not expecting 40/40 from Morel but he wont be bad either
Oh and Viciedo is such a great fielder he might take Quentin's job in RF. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Viciedo, Rios and Quentin? Short of the Flubs I cant visualize a worse defensive OF in the majors.
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Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either.
Are we talking about his hitting or his weight?
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Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either.
Are we talking about his hitting or his weight?
Either choice. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Viceido still has ZERO plate discipline.
I want them to stick with Morel. Ventera didn't hit when he came up/ same with Crede.
Morel has been good with the Glove so far from what I've seen.
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Viciedo can flat-out hit... which is more than we can say for your boy Morel.
Well your boy Cede couldnt hit either when he first came up and Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either. I still think Morel can hit big league pitching. Hey I am not expecting 40/40 from Morel but he wont be bad either
Oh and Viciedo is such a great fielder he might take Quentin's job in RF. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Morel will end up like a Brandon Inge... a good fielder that will eternally frustrate fans with his consistent .220-230 batting average.
We need more hitters who can knock in runs. Viciedo is crushing minor-league pitching. It's time to find a place for him on the Sox and have a Mentor work with him on his fielding.
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I disagree... he wont be anything more then a situational pinch hitter like he was last year...
Ozzie will pick and choose his spots... granted i'd rather have him in that roll then Treehorn.
But as a starter his 9:28 BB to K ratio will hurt bad... and i'm pretty sure 5 of those walks were IBB
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We need more hitters who can knock in runs. Viciedo is crushing minor-league pitching. It's time to find a place for him on the Sox and have a Mentor work with him on his fielding.
Dont know what he is crushing if he is striking out so much. Maybe he has taken up recycling aluminum cans and is crushing them. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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His K rate is actually down a solid 5% from last year from 22+ to just over 17 this year.
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Can we please stop quoting quotes quoting quotes?
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How else are we to follow which random train of thought is being responded to?
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Ozzie protected Viciedo last year, and said as much. An everyday Viciedo would be something like .270/.300/.450 . . . still better than JP but not a savior. Lilli or Omar can lead off, cause Beckham's not looking like an everyday player either. If you sometimes have Beckham, Morel, and the Tank all in the line-up at once, let Rios leadoff. Or let Viciedo do it . . . break up that muderer's row of fleas with a guy who might actually hit a 2-run shot . . .
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Can we please stop quoting quotes quoting quotes?
Whats the problem with quotes within quotes?
what's wrong with quoting quotes within quotes?
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LOL
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Dallas MacPhearson is the guy you call up? Really?
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God, I hope not
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Usually when BlackSox asks a rhetorical question like that, it's a fait accompli.
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T'is indeed.
Also -- Pierre benched, Lilli starting in LF and leading off.
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http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-teahen-to-dl-mcpherson-promoted-pierre-sits-vs-lhp-harrison-20110517,0,5265647.story
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well, he's hitting. If he has a few good games, you send Morel down and bring up Viciedo
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Morel playing tough defense last night. Took away at least 3 hits if Viciedo were playing 3rd. Morel is playing the best 3B of anybody we have
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Morel playing tough defense last night. Took away at least 3 hits if Viciedo were playing 3rd. Morel is playing the best 3B of anybody we have
I concur... and I think he's still underachieving with the bat, so I think that'll come around soon too. Maybe the 3-run jack is a sign of things to come. He seems to be overly aggressive at the plate, and isn't waiting for his pitch to drive.
Either way, he's the best option we've got at 3B.
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I wouldn't use Viciedo at 3rd. But Dallas McPherson is here to light a fire under Morel's butt.
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Morel should stay at 3B , no matter what. His defense more than compensates for a .240 average.
Viciedo should be up here playing in the outfield with Pierre on the bench as a pinch runner.
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Morel should stay at 3B , no matter what. His defense more than compensates for a .240 average.
Exactly. It's Beckham who needs to contribute a lot more with the bat. Sox can get by with the good-D, no-O 3B if they're getting decent production at 2B.
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Sox can get by with the good-D, no-O 3B if they're getting decent production at 2B.
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[/size]or vice-versa. Third base is usually more of a power position, but I think Morel's bat was deemed ok because of (1) his defense (2) potential for power/hitting at 2B/SS/CF/C and (3) excessive financial obligations. Without much production at those spots, it puts a highlight on Morel's bat again. If he hits .240, great. I'll take him. But if that .195 crap continued, this would be a much easier position to make a change at than 2nd, SS, or CF.
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Robin Ventura sucked big time with the bat in 1990 but was good with the glove, so if morel is gonna play awesome defense then keep him out there, but ozzie needs to do sound keep playing him
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Senator, I know Robin Ventura. I served with Robin Ventura. Brent Morel is no Robin Ventura.
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Morel or Viz at 3rd.
I'd prefer they keep Morels glove and move Viz to 2nd. Send beckham down for 2 weeks.
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Viciedo turning the double play.... could be entertaining.
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Morel or Viz at 3rd.
I'd prefer they keep Morels glove and move Viz to 2nd. Send beckham down for 2 weeks.
That would be a good scenario. Vizquel gives good at bats , beckham Looks lost out there
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And Vizquel could hit leadoff, so Pierre can be put out of his misery.
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GM Williams mum on plans to alter club
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110518&content_id=19222312¬ebook_id=19230256&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110518&content_id=19222312¬ebook_id=19230256&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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If we really want the Mentor Factor, we could go Viz at 3B and LIl'Beast at 2B.
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I am not ready to close the door on the Brent Morel 3B experience
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I am not ready to close the door on the Brent Morel 3B experience
I concur. If everyone in our lineup were hitting like they're capable of, I could live with Morel's so-far-anemic bat.
Also, I'd like to call it The Hot Corner Mushroom Experience.
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If we really want the Mentor Factor, we could go Viz at 3B and LIl'Beast at 2B.
I want Lillibridge in CF instead of Rios, seriously.
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I was thinking that last night- Rios and a couple others aren't doing anything with the bat, Lillibridge can't be any worse. Let him play, somewhere, until he sucks his way out of the lineup. Maybe he'll surprise people and stick around for awhile.
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He plays good D, he can run. Just needs to hit a bit. He might hit a little better being an OF than a SS, less thinking at least.
I can live w/o Rios. Never did like him. I
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The Hot Corner Mushroom Experience
That name is already taken -- BlackSox's Hawkwind cover band.
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hahah- perfect call on Hawkwind.
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I was thinking that last night- Rios and a couple others aren't doing anything with the bat, Lillibridge can't be any worse. Let him play, somewhere, until he sucks his way out of the lineup. Maybe he'll surprise people and stick around for awhile.
Bring up Mitchell. He cant be any worse than Lilli. >:( >:( >:(
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You want to bet on that
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Why don't we wait til Lillibridge's OBP sinks down to, oh, .340, and his OPS goes under .800 or so. Because until then, he's an upgrade over a lot of these stiffs.
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BlackSox's Hawkwind cover band.
Oh, if only I had the time to start that project...
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Oh, if only I had the
time drugs to start that project...
For when you do get the time. .. .
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I'm for keeping Lillibridge in CF until he starts sucking. On his great catch yesterday did anyone notice how he ran farther than JP and then JP instead of backing off the wall in case the ball comes off it ran in close?
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Dazed you are beginning to remind me of bosoxfan... always bringing up painful memories...
I generally look away from the Television whenever any play involving JP is occurring... it saves me from wasting more money on tums.
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You want to bet on that
One mendoza liner or another. To me thats 6 of one and half dozen of the other. Hey bad is bad.
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RE: McPherson - I think we've found our Teahen replacement.
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Mentor lays down a sac bunt.... a favorable call gets us a "safe" call at 3rd. Bags juiced, nobody out.
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Wow - Sox put up 4 (and counting) after a bags juiced, nobody out situation.
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Wow
[The Sox'] 10 hits marked the first time they reached double digits in hits since April 8 (11).
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-sox-enjoy-rare-laughter-at-home-20110519,0,7499824.story
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wrong
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I call bullsh1t on that. They must mean at home, the Sox have definitely racked up more than 10 hits in a game on that last road trip.
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wasn't there a 15-hit, 4-run attack recently?
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May 11, 15 hits against LAA. That's just sloppy reporting.
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RE: the URL:
I'd like to contend that the Sox have had their share of "laughers" at home between April 8 and last night.
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BlackSox got that info from Triemstra.
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ouch.
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No, it was a setup.
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No, it was a setup
I suspected as much. Threw it out there just to watch the mongrels get in a frenzy over it. Not unlike what you did with the "Cubs town" comment in the other thread, but your inclinations to rile the rabble with such remarks has been so overused here that nobody fell for it.
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Gah, no, TRIEMSTRA set up BLACKSOX. It's all part of my little imaginary world.
I think there are about 5 people on this forum, so I don't think there's much rabble to rile with that Cubs comment, but you never know. Seriously, I do think that would prevent a repeat of the 85 Bear ridiculousness to a considerable degree.
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Tremstra is a bastard. But he knows that.
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Recent news is humber is going to lose his spot and we go back to a 5 man rotation after JP's last start....
Me thinks thats a bad bad bad bad bad idea... send Jackson to the DL. send jackson to AAA... not one of our most effective starters thus far...
Fire whoever makes the decision that Jackson/Peavy (both with one good starts) belongs in the rotation over Humber.
So let it be written. so let it be done.
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Jackson with one good start? huh? Peavy's only had two starts, and the first one actually was not bad despite giving up 4 runs.
Humber doesn't deserve to lose his spot, but he's the best candidate. Mainly, he doesn't have the track record of those others, and let's not get into his BABIP . . . . he's due for some serious regression.
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I through with EdLose Jackson. Send his b*tch ass to the bullpen.
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Time for Sox Manglement to be through... through being cool. Eliminate the ninnies and the twits.
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Yeap... humber should keep his spot in the rotation for now.
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Maybe they could trade Jackson for Adam Dunn.
Oh, wait.....
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Heh
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If anybody is interested McPherson was DFA'd and Harrell was demoted, Marquez and bruney called up
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If anybody is interested McPherson was DFA'd and Harrell was demoted, Marquez and bruney called up
LOL. We just got worse.
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Sox Manglement to be through... through being cool. Eliminate the ninnies and the twits.
Definitely- time to show those evil spuds what's what. Put the tape on erase.
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Nice, 13 pitchers and 3 bench players.
Can't be for too long, with trips to NL parks coming up starting June 17.
Something is up.
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6.0 back in the Wild Card Hunt
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Where would we be without [H]Umber?
A lot deeper in the shytter, methinks
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To quote Ronnie Van Zant, "you got that right."
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I'll be PIIIIIIIIISSED if Humber loses his spot in the rotation.
He's been very good.
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yeap...
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I watched a few minutes of a (guessing it was recent) Skynyrd concert on some HD channel the other day. They were playing "That Smell", which rocks. But it was more fun trying to figure out which guys were original members and which were fill ins.
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Marquez: he gone
Marquez claimed off waivers by the Yankees.
http://twitter.com/#!/CST_soxvan/status/78519812048961538
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Adam Dunn, Chicago White Sox (ADP: 31, Player Rater: 290): Like Uggla, Dunn is 31 years old, with many of the same problems. Stark also addressed the Dunn topic, as did Eric Karabell on Monday; I generally agree with Eric on the "you've got one more week" approach with Dunn, but I bet we'd both admit it might be our tendency to preach patience talking.
Tom Szczerbowski/US PresswireThe move to the American League has been anything but good for Adam Dunn.
Dunn, again like Uggla, has had fastball issues in 2011; he's a .165/.310/.243 hitter against them this season, after .309/.399/.652 in 2009-10 combined. There's a key difference between the two, however: Dunn isn't improving in that department with time, and as a result, he's actually seeing an increased rate of fastballs in recent weeks. Through April, 54.4 percent of the pitches he saw were fastballs, 6.9 percent sinkers; since May 1, those numbers have risen to 59.3 and 9.5. Dunn is also a .197/.351/.311 hitter against fastballs since May 1, only marginally improved upon his .174/.309/.261 rates before that date. And surely you've heard all about his miserable performance against lefties, 1-for-42 (.024 avg.) so far. Clearly he's not adjusting, and American League pitchers are challenging him more as a result.
Nevertheless, just like Uggla, Dunn's problems are unlikely a decline in skills, and in his case, he actually has a wider array of explanations for them: the league change, the adaptation to designated hitter -- though his .296/.449/.648 rates in 16 career games as a National League DH during interleague play suggest otherwise -- and his hasty return after an April 5 emergency appendectomy. Those make me slightly more confident in Dunn's ability to bounce back than Uggla's, but at the same time, there aren't any hints that such a bounce-back is imminent.
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The Roger Bossard bobblehead doll promotion for Sunday June 12th is postponed because of a manufacturing issue and rescheduled for Sept. 13. The first 20,000 fans with tickets to Sunday's game will receive vouchers good for a bobblehead doll that they can collect at U.S. Cellular Field after Sept. 13.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20207578&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20207578&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)
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http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Dayan-Viciedo-feasting-in-minors-Juan-Pierre-st;_ylt=AuMj88vJ2bNBuOSWWSpp4Sw5nYcB?urn=fantasy-wp3973
Article at Yahoo! Sports on Viciedo, advocating for him to move to RF, Quentin to LF, and Pierre to the bench, with Lil'Beast being a utility guy.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Dayan-Viciedo-feasting-in-minors-Juan-Pierre-st;_ylt=AuMj88vJ2bNBuOSWWSpp4Sw5nYcB?urn=fantasy-wp3973
Article at Yahoo! Sports on Viciedo, advocating for him to move to RF, Quentin to LF, and Pierre to the bench, with Lil'Beast being a utility guy.
Quentin should be moved to DH to replace Done.
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With Mckeon taking over in Florida... maybe next year that crazy owner will send us Morrison for Ozzie!
to dream....
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Heh:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-heres-an-idea-if-ozzie-talks-his-way-out-of-town-20110621,0,1585947.column
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Huzzah to that notion. Brenly does seem to know his stuff. Shoeless would not like this idea, I divine.
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I'd rather Kendry get shitcanned first, but hell, sack the whole lot of 'em.
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"Maybe they are showcasing him for a trade" -- a reach of an explanation as to why Juan Phucktard is still on the team, that made me laugh
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Okay, I guess there is an excuse for not yet promoting Viciedo: Scott Boras.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/6/21/2234700/reading-room-counting-down-the-days-until-dayan
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I'm almost tempted to celebrate that the Sox are now "only" two games below .500.
They need to beat up on the Nationals before going to Colorado.
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Washington is not so beat-up-able this year, 9-1 over their last 10. It would be nice if they could take the first one, which they failed to do vs. Cubbies and Snakes.
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Washington is not so beat-up-able this year, 9-1 over their last 10. It would be nice if they could take the first one, which they failed to do vs. Cubbies and Snakes.
What about the Nats' possible loss of focus, after the Riggleman exit?
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I just have ZERO confidence in the offense. Which is a shame, because I have a pretty good feeling about the pitching at this point.
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If Dunn and even just one of Beckham or Rios starts hitting it will be like making 2 trades and will really ignite this team. We are hanging around the division leaders with our team playing as poorly as it can....it we can just get a couple guys going we can be right there at the end.
Whatever happened to the offense that scored 14 runs on Opening Day and was lighting it on fire the first week of the season? Can you imagine if that was our standard offense?
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Once the bats come around, the bullpen will start sucking again. The two connot coexist in the same space-time.
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/6/29/2249821/the-wait-for-viciedo-gets-messy
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Just trade bait. DH him and send Dunn down.
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I know he's a crap-stirrer, but I kind of like Cowley:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6267089-419/ken-williams-should-use-power-to-fix-white-sox-not-deflect-blame.html
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I know he's a crap-stirrer, but I kind of like Cowley:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6267089-419/ken-williams-should-use-power-to-fix-white-sox-not-deflect-blame.html
I think Cowley is on the money. Williams is the one who is responsible for the makeup of this team, and this team is lacking talent in key places. Sure, Ozzie has made his blunders, but that is bound to happen once in awhile. Williams is the man who puts the talent, or lack thereof, in the clubhouse.
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That said, it's hard to believe that Dunn is still sucking, into July.
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Dunn OPSed .498 in June.
Wow.
That's on-base percentage PLUS slugging percentage.
Just for comparison, Jose Bautista's OBP for the season is .470.
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Guess Konerko's not a Paul Star. It's a huge joke this season.
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He has the unfortunate situation of playing the same position as Adrian Gonzalez who's having a monster season of his own, and also has the bigger name recognition being in Boston now. We all know Paulie's one of the top players in baseball so far this year but if he doesn't play in the AS game at least he gets a couple days to rest.
Either way it's a win-win, imo (and probably in Paul's opinion too)!
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yep, certainly won't hurt to get him the rest. Humber should be there too. Price is a joke
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They still have an All-Sra Game? Thought it was cancelled in the early 90s due to lack of interest.
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Quentin is the Sox' All Star. I just read some stats on Quentin and didn't realize just how bad he's been lately. Hasn't homered in 19 games now and has only 4 rbi's since June 8th. Humber deserved it far more, but does any non-Sox (and now non-Cub) fan even know he exists?
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http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2011/fv/ballot.jsp?cmpid=117244&cme=-1&tcid=ca_fm2011_ballot (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2011/fv/ballot.jsp?cmpid=117244&cme=-1&tcid=ca_fm2011_ballot)
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I should be in marketing. fucckkers stole my Paul Star
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heh:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-alex-rios-stinks-but-still-starts-20110711,0,474837.column
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That's a nice rant, and spoken like an actual fan of the team vs. being just an attention-grab.
I wish I hadn't read this:
Rios is owed $50 million this season, next season, season after that, and after that through a $1 million buyout in 2015. Cleveland’s opening day payroll was $49.4 million.
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Yesterday was not a good day for the KW regime.
Tony Pena's rehab outing is stopped after just four pitches:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-reliever-pena-to-start-second-minor-league-rehab-assignment-with-triplea-charlotte-20110720,0,3450153.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-reliever-pena-to-start-second-minor-league-rehab-assignment-with-triplea-charlotte-20110720,0,3450153.story)
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You know your team sucks when there is more banter on the fan boards on on their off-days than on game days.
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Yesterday was not a good day for the KW regime.
I would argue the opposite. Anything that keeps Tony Pena out of the Sox bullpen is a good thing.
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That was a good Rosenbloom rant.
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"The Yankees would pay big for A's lefty Gio Gonzalez, tweets Sherman, but Oakland still refuses to discuss the southpaw. The 25-year-old ranks eighth in the American League with 124 strikeouts and seventh with a 2.67 ERA, and is not arbitration-eligible until after this season."
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"The Yankees would pay big for A's lefty Gio Gonzalez, tweets Sherman, but Oakland still refuses to discuss the southpaw. The 25-year-old ranks eighth in the American League with 124 strikeouts and seventh with a 2.67 ERA, and is not arbitration-eligible until after this season."
He was ours. Damn. Damn. Damn.
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This is getting stupid....
@CSNChi_Beatnik
Brett Ballantini
Safe to say a fair # of #WhiteSox are enraged by Oney's latest tweets on Mark Teahen + wife. One term used was "smash his face in"
I guess Teahen responded (indirectly) to Oney with:
Hope my career is good enough 2 1day raise a kid 2lazy & dumb 2have a real job so I can pay his bills & he can think he's successful #Goals
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Oney Guillen was born on first and advanced to second on a passed ball and then sacrificed over to third, and he thought he hit a triple.
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More interesting than the dead-ass team.
I went to Oney's Twitter to see what he said about teahen, but it was an endless mire of nonsense. That kid needs to get a life.
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Oh, Oney... That explains everything.
When I first read the thread I was thinking it said Olney, as in Buster Olney. I was trying to figure out why in the world he would be tweeting about Mark Teahen's wife.
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Oh, Oney... That explains everything.
When I first read the thread I was thinking it said Olney, as in Buster Olney. I was trying to figure out why in the world he would be tweeting about Mark Teahen's wife.
...now THAT would've been interesting. Like in an Eric Lindros - Rod Brind'Amour sort of way.
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“Let me explain to the idiots out there, the geniuses,’’ Guillen said. “They say I don’t bench Rios, but the only player I benched because he didn’t hustle, it was Rios, for two days, OK? Tell these people out there, they think they know baseball more than I do, then send me the lineup that was better without Rios in [it]. Is Rios not playing well? Of course he’s not. He’s brutal everywhere.’’
Yes, Ozzie benched Rios for 2 whole days. What more do you people want from him? Correction: what more do you idiots want?
Stay classy, Oz.
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All of them. KW, Ozzie, Walker. Gone. Keep Coop.
And JR needs to pass the chairmanship to someone else. The ride that has carried over from 2005 is done.
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Boot Ozzie, Kenny, I'll keep Coop.
Stinkos has to go but who in their right mind would take that contract????
Lot of coin to eat!!!!!!!!!!
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For anyone who is still following, is there any logic to Guillen sticking with the 6-man rotation at this point?
Humber had a great first half, but he seems to be tailing off, perhaps the innings taking their toll -- I don't think he's logged this many innings in a season, at least not in MLB. Let him and Stewart work the 5th starter role, at least until Peavy goes on the DL.
But running six guys out there, when you still have an outside chance at the division, seems like a bit of concession. Buehrle, Danks, Floyd and Peavy have been keeping the team in most of the games they pitch, why take the innings away from them? So they can be rested when the Sox fall short of the playoffs?
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Some say the reason why Buehrle has been pitching so well is because of the extra day of rest.
But I agree that Humber is out of magic dust. I'd like to see Sox Brass shuffle the rotation, and occasionnally skip a start for Humber or Peavy, to make sure our three best guys (Buehrle, Danks, ???) are pitching when we play the Injuns or Tigers.
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Hmmm... type in three consecutive question marks and you get that stupid little non-smiley...
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For anyone who is still following
snicker
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Yeah, all seven of us.
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AJ has broken wrist. Lucy is back. Flowers gets his shot.
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Uh oh. There go 5 of the 7.
Isn't this his first stay on the DL?
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Lucy, eh? I vaguely recall hearing that he was a standout at Fallbrook HS in San Diego and later All Pac-10 in his junior year at Stanford University.
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Lucy is back.
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While attending Fallbrook Union High School in San Diego, CA, Lucy, a catcher and an infielder in baseball and a running back and a linebacker in football, was named the 2001 San Diego County Male Athlete of the Year.
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AJ has broken wrist. Lucy is back. Flowers gets his shot.
Hate losing AJ when he is on a hot streak.
Lucy did a good job for us when he was called up before.
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We may actually throw some runners out now though.
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Lucy has hit a paltry .158/.233/.256 in 147 plate appearances this season at the Triple-A level.
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I thought they cut Lucy. I didnt know he has been hanging out at Charlotte
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Lucy has hit a paltry .158/.233/.256 in 147 plate appearances this season at the Triple-A level.
He's like a Rhodes scholar stuck in 7th grade. He's bored...
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<Hawk voice>
Ah love Lucy
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Was he really hanging out at Charlotte? Because that sort of behavior is totally unacceptable in a professional environment.
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Yeah, all seven of us.
Hey, I'm still here.
So AJ has been hurt a few days already and they just now determine it's a fracture? What has happened to Rush Orthopedics?
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I had you down as one of the seven:
Petey, Jhonny, Blackie, Lovey, Joey, Methy -- and Wishfl, the one that everybody always forgets.
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You guys really know how to make a guy feel good. ;D ;D
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Well, they got to .500, so here comes the 5-game losing streak.
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Well, they got to .500, so here comes the 5-game losing streak.
Like I said in an earlier post, .500 is too much to ask of this team.
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Well, we've be at or above .500 since Sunday. That's four straight days, buddy!
Where's our trophy??
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Adam Dunn currently has a .592 OPS with a .296 SLG.
Neifi Perez's worst OPSing season (minimum 300 PA's)? .564 in 2002. Neifi slugged .303 that year.
Yes - you read that correctly. Adam Dunn in 2011 is being outslugged by Neifi Perez in Neifi's worst season.
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This year is toast for Dunn. Write it off as one awful, awful year. All we can do now is hope next year is better. Much better.
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Adam Dunn in 2011 is being outslugged by Neifi Perez in Neifi's worst season.
hahah. . .I think that whenever you mention Neifi, you're also required to mention Jose Macias from that great 2005 Cubs team. And yes, he's also being outslugged by Macias in Jose's worst full season.
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Write it off as one awful, awful year. All we can do now is hope next year is better.
I dunno, I'm having Nick Swisher flashbacks here, which entails a buy-high, sell-low transaction and us watching in disgust as he regains his form clubbing the ball with another team.
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Yet our hitting coach still has a job...
Greg Walker and Jim Hendry must have identical embarrassing photos of upper management.
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Adam Dunn is currently being outslugged by Juan Pierre and Brent Morel!
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...and every other hitter on the White Sox.
Yes, he's our "power hitter."
Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.
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...and every other hitter on the White Sox.
Yes, he's our "power hitter."
Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.
He's currently on a 3-game hitting streak. That is a positive sign. He hasn't shown a consistent ability to hit all year, so maybe he's starting to get it figured out.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-humber-on-dl-kinney-promoted-from-charlotte-20110819,0,2668907.story
I can't wait for this new guy to get shelled: "Oh my god, they killed Kinney! (You bastards)"
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-humber-on-dl-kinney-promoted-from-charlotte-20110819,0,2668907.story
I can't wait for this new guy to get shelled: "Oh my god, they killed Kinney! (You bastards)"
I'd like one of those shirts...
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...and every other hitter on the White Sox.
Yes, he's our "power hitter."
Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.
He's currently on a 3-game hitting streak. That is a positive sign. He hasn't shown a consistent ability to hit all year, so maybe he's starting to get it figured out.
And if i'm not mistaken hes started at 1st each of those games...Why the F didnt we try this 3 months ago?
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Because PK is a much better 1Bman.
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I'd rather take that little hit on defense then the blackhole that has been AD in the lineup.
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Eventhough Dunn is at least getting a hit or two, his power production as a 1Bman is attrocious. Were he hitting doubles or HRs then I could validate your premise, but I cant. He flat out stinks whether as a DH or as a 1Bman.
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I think KW might have been a little too candid:
"I've made no secret about it," Williams said of Hahn, who's in his 11th season with the Sox. "Rick Hahn is, to me, one of the most qualified men to assume the position moving forward.
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Interesting to see what is in the White Sox players' "Favorite Things" baskets (White Sox wives' basket auction).
http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/community/baskets.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/community/baskets.jsp)
Kudos to Gavin Floyd for the inclusion of NY Times Crossword Puzzles books, and Jesse Crain for a bottle of La Crema red and other wine-related stuff.
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I think KW might have been a little too candid:
"I've made no secret about it," Williams said of Hahn, who's in his 11th season with the Sox. "Rick Hahn is, to me, one of the most qualified men to assume the position moving forward.
If Rick Hahn gets a GM job in Chicago I hope its here with the Sox.
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La Crema red
Is that any good? The wife likes the Chard, so by default, I like the Chard.
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I'm just guessing, because all I've had is the Chard too!
Your wife has good taste. . . . at least in wine. LULZ
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The Matt Thornton basket offers an "on-field photo with Matt in September"... gee, I've got to get my bid in NOW.
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I bet JP would love to have that opportunity :)
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Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.
Especially considering that the Cubs wouldbe paying that inflated salary instead of us.
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The Sox are expected to bring up outfielder Dayan Viciedo and right-hander Shane Lindsay, and possibly left-hander Hector Santiago and shortstop Eduardo Escobar when rosters are expanded Sept. 1.
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Does Escobar look like a realistic major league prospect? Alexei is a fine SS for a major league team with a lot of talent, but not exactly a cornerstone piece. He might be a decent surprise trade candidate.
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Should have kept him at 2B. He ain't no shortstop.
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Should have kept him at 2B. He ain't no shortstop.
I think he's a fantastic shortstop... when he wants to be.
His nonchalance kills me.
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His nonchalance kills me.
Which is precisely what makes him "not-a-shortstop." It's a positiion that affords very little latitude to sacrifice the mental game for physical ability.
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I think it's time to stop running the "All In" ads.
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I think it's time for any season tag lines to go away. They're almost never accurate and always lame. You listening, Brooks?
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It's foolish to market "winning"... something beyond their control. They should market things they can deliver on, like "fun" and 'entertainment".
Oh, wait...
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FOOD! We have it! It's not bad!
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkcIPAAHCHItjdg6al95pEMRvLYF?slug=ys-accuscore_mlb_playoff_projections_082911
We still have almost a 5 percent chance. C'mon, folks.
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We still have almost a 5 percent chance.
Winner.
"White Sox Baseball: We have a 5% chance"
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There’s growing suspicion the curtain is about to close on either manager Ozzie Guillen or general manager Ken Williams — or maybe both.
A major-league source told the Sun-Times that the fragile relationship between Guillen and Williams is now beyond repair.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7354760-419/ozzie-guillen-sounds-off-on-season-ken-williams-marlins.html
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There’s growing suspicion the curtain is about to close on either manager Ozzie Guillen or general manager Ken Williams — or maybe both.
A major-league source told the Sun-Times that the fragile relationship between Guillen and Williams is now beyond repair.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7354760-419/ozzie-guillen-sounds-off-on-season-ken-williams-marlins.html
I still think Ozzie is a decent manager and I think he'll win another ring, somewhere.
That said, I wouldn't have a big problem with both Kenny and Ozzie being gone.
But if only one of them is ousted, I hope it's Kenny.
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...so if Ozzie gets traded to the Marlins, who could we expect to get in return?
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I hope that its kenny that gets to the unemployment line and not ozzie.
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If only one goes, I too wish it were Kenny. Lately I've been thinking I wouldn;t miss Ozzie too much, but I fear for who they would hire in his stead.
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Greg Walker.
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Peavy shut down for the year.
Guess we are officially "All Out!"
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...so if Ozzie gets traded to the Marlins, who could we expect to get in return?
I'd be sad to see Ozzie go, but an Ozzie Guillen & Carlos Quentin trade to the Marlins for Mike Stanton would help me quickly get over it. However, I don't think the Marlins want Ozzie that bad that they would make the trade.
Realistically, if Ozzie has to go, I'd settle with left-handed outfielder Logan Morrison for Ozzie. Straight up. No Quentin included in the deal. I'd trade Quentin elsewhere this off-season to help reduce the payroll as I'm expecting him to receive around $7.5M from arbitration in the off-season. Morrison is a younger, left-handed version of Quentin who would provide power if Dunn doesn't bounce back next season. BTW, Logan Morrison is the player the Marlins sent down to the minors last month not because of his performance but because they didn't like his 'tweets' on twitter.
Mike Stanton's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stantmi03.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stantmi03.shtml)
Logan Morrison's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrilo01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrilo01.shtml)
Carlos Quentin's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quentca01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quentca01.shtml)
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First and foremost, managers are not like players... Ozzie can flat out refuse the trade.
The idea that they would give up even Neifi Perez for a manager thats on the bubble at his current job is fantasy at best.
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Why would he refuse the trade? He doesnt want to enter the last year of his contract. Why would he hurt JR by not agreeing to the deal? He has been legislating ro go to the Marlins, like its his long lost love he wants to recapture. He likes the punch and judy style NL ball.
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Rosenthal has a source familiar with the thinking of Ozzie Guillen who has recently dropped his predicted chances of the manager returning to 50-50.
Not surprising. He still continues to chirp about "having to play" Dunn. GM and Manager need to be on the same page. It's clear Ozzie and KW are not.
Time for a change, and Ozzie needs to go first. He can take Walker with him.
If Dunn sucks next year and team continues to underachieve, KW goes and Hahn takes over GM duties.
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IF ozzie goes... KW better be right there with him, Ozzie isnt doing the one running the farm system and the ML team into the ground with bone head moves.
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IF ozzie goes... KW better be right there with him, Ozzie isnt doing the one running the farm system and the ML team into the ground with bone head moves.
I get that our depth sucks down there. But we're running a lineup onto the field right now that includes Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo and Alexei Ramirez.
The rotation includes John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Zach Stewart, with Sergio Santos and Chris Sale in the bullpen.
That is alot of young, homegrown talent that started in our farm system, be it FA from Cuba, trades or draft.
Hudson, right now, remains the only young player we've traded who looks to be a bad giveaway. And while he had potential, he certainly hadn't lit up the world with the Sox. His resume to that point included 28 Ks to 20 BBs and an ERA near 5. Jake Peavy without the control.
The Rios and Dunn FA contracts are albatrosses at this point. Still think Dunn 2011 mirrors Swisher 2008. Fluke bad year.
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We gave hudson all of 10 starts before trading him away.
KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.
The list of Craptastic moves made by KW is very very long and they some have been very very expensive.
Ozzie isnt costing the team millions upon millions and still running one of the worst farm teams around and a ML roster riddled with lousy contracts.
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But Ozzie has been working on a team with a large payroll and KW has given him a team built to compete. The fact that some of these guys come here and completely fall apart is telling. And that is on the coaching staff.
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I get that our depth sucks down there. But we're running a lineup onto the field right now that includes Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo and Alexei Ramirez.
The rotation includes John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Zach Stewart, with Sergio Santos and Chris Sale in the bullpen.
That is alot of young, homegrown talent that started in our farm system, be it FA from Cuba, trades or draft.
Well . . . of 10 guys, only 4 actually started in the Sox' farm system. And of the other six, only two have spent significant time in the farm system, and by "significant," I mean one year of pitching (Santos). That doesn't sound like homegrown talent: it's mostly the Coop effect.
Beckham spent one year in the system, and it's looking like maybe they screwed up on him and should have kept him down longer. If Morel's OPS stays over .600 for the rest of the year, I'll count him as a success. Sale may be really good, but he barely got a cup of coffee in our system: a great draft pick: yes. but not a testimony to player development. Viciedo: yes. Flowers, though obtained through trade, has spent significant time in the Sox' system.
All-in-all, this is really really bad. And I think Ozzie should go, and Kenny should stay, but my biggest complaint against Williams is that he mainly uses the draft and the minor league system as trade fodder. It's great that he tends to get better value in return for his trades, but it's his deliberate negligence of player drafting and development that puts our player development in the same league as the Cubs.'
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All-in-all, this is really really bad. And I think Ozzie should go, and Kenny should stay,
Right so he can trade all our young players and draft picks for more Rios and Peavey type players. Uh, no thanks, hes gotta go. If that pompus POS stays this team will blow.
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Kenny is always in "win now" mode.
That has gotten him one WS and one other playoff win.
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/9/13/2422125/its-greg-walker-time-for-the-last-time
Basically a quick summary of why Greg Walker should be canned.
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KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.
I will not sit here idly and have Juan Pierre's name sullied. What's the knock on this trade? He cost the Sox a few games with some careless errors early on and he's apparently lost a step in his baserunning. Even so, the guy has hit .280, stole 90 bases, and played a decent LF in his two years here. Plus he gives %110 percent in everything he does.
And as skeptical as I was about him after listening to Jeter and his Cubfan buddies, he's been a positive to this franchise.
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I thought last year he was OK, but his terrible start, defense, lack of power and SB #s move him to below average this year
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I'm sorry i dont know where decent LF play came into this...
Just last nite the tigers announcers were laughing about how hes the only LF in Baseball where a soft hit down the line is a double and not a single... thats not decent play thats bottom of the barrel play.
He shows no power. while he has stolen 90 bases... his success rate this year is.. 24 out of 39 or 61%.
He had one hell of a year from the SB perspective last year... thats about the only positive hes brought to this team... well that and giving it 110% every time.
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KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.
At Ozzie's urging, lest we forget!
Ozzie was also the one who didn't want Thome back, opting instead to give those at-bats to Kotsay last year. Worked out great, huh? This team has been so poor fundamentally for several years now and has not come out of the gate ready to play. That, once again, is an indictment on the coaching staff and it starts with Ozzie. It should now end with him.
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Pierre is the least of this teams problems. To be blaming him is being unrealistic and most likely hateful.
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Call it for what it is, Wshfl...
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Call it for what it is, Wshfl...
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OK. Thats just plain racist!
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Cowley:
So by next month, Guillen could indeed be shaking hands with Loria as the Marlins’ new manager.
What does that leave the Sox shaking hands with?
Irrelevancy
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7643768-419/ozzie-guillen-eyes-end-of-line-with-sox-says-hes-ready-for-anything.html
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No games against Ozzie in Miami, but we will travel to StL to face Buehrle:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-release-2012-schedule-20110914,0,7798346,full.story
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What does that leave the Sox shaking hands with?
Irrelevancy
Because the Sox have been so relevant the past 8 years with Ozzie? Nice try, Cowley.
Between Ozzie's big mouth and his son's twitter, the only press he brought to the team was negative and embarrassing.
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Who replaces Ozzie?
I hope it's not a guy who talks about "playing the game the right way" unless he's willing to bench guys who don't.
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Another year with no Sox visit to Atlanta. That'll make it an even decade since they played here. So much for rotating the teams in interleague play. Complete bullsh1t.
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But we have to play the Pirates and/or Dodgers every f'n year.
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Another year with no Sox visit to Atlanta. That'll make it an even decade since they played here. So much for rotating the teams in interleague play. Complete bullsh1t.
Has it been 10 years already?
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Who replaces Ozzie?
I hope it's not a guy who talks about "playing the game the right way" unless he's willing to bench guys who don't.
Sandy Alomar Jr.
Omar Vizquel.
Aaron Rowand.
Blacksox.
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Too much travel involved. But then again, there is free beer in the clubhouse after games....
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In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.
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In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.
We played? I thought the season was over...
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Who replaces Ozzie?
I hope it's not a guy who talks about "playing the game the right way" unless he's willing to bench guys who don't.
Probably Mike Quade.
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Too much travel involved. But then again, there is free beer in the clubhouse after games....
Just imagine the talks around the whirlpool.
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In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.
excellent! Need a higher draft pick (heh)
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In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.
excellent! Need a higher draft pick (heh)
For what? So we have a larger pool of more talented players to pass up in favor of "signable" picks?
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A very Rogersian look at the Next Sox manager, complete with some wacky suggestions:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-guillen-la-russa-red-sox-20110920,0,2632183.story
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Don Baylor. Ask Cubbie fans about him. Could be funny.
Speaking of which, why didn't JBN come over here?
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I thought he did, once.
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He was a Cub fan but owned the board. When WC went under and the board was no longer his then it no longer interested him to come here.
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User stats show hes posted here 5 times... he rarely posted on the other board... and the other board was run by Dave23.... JBN and sailor were just admins for us when it started up...
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The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board
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Baseball Prospectus picked the Sox to go 79-83. That would be pretty cool if they nail it. Gotta good chance too.
Not such a great season for close races, but still might be some excitement for the WC in both leagues. Jeez, there's St. Louis again! Thought their season was over.
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The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board
Sailorgirl owned the first board.
After the first (or second?) major meltdown, Dave23 started the "backup board" that eventually became the full-time one... I think.
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Baseball Prospectus picked the Sox to go 79-83. That would be pretty cool if they nail it. Gotta good chance too.
Not such a great season for close races, but still might be some excitement for the WC in both leagues. Jeez, there's St. Louis again! Thought their season was over.
What did they predict for Minnesota?
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A very Rogersian look at the Next Sox manager, complete with some wacky suggestions:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-guillen-la-russa-red-sox-20110920,0,2632183.story
Way to mess up the managers name Phil, jeesh, Ewing, cripes, you just called him McEwing in the same sentence.
It would not be that much of a stretch for Reinsdorf to ask him to manage for one or two years before turning the team over to Joe McEwing, the Sox’s Triple-A manager and a La Russa favorite from Ewing's playing days in St. Louis.
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For my two cents worth. I wouldnt be surprised if Gardy either quits or was fired. If so thats who I'd go after
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I'd take Gardy.
The problem he would find is the Sox system does not teach fundamental baseball. :)
The base running mistakes alone would give him a heart attack.
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The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board
Sailorgirl owned the first board.
After the first (or second?) major meltdown, Dave23 started the "backup board" that eventually became the full-time one... I think.
I think sailor found worstcrossing when the cubbune boards changed format and everyone left cause of it and unbearable host George. So they go way back to the cubbune boards. ( I loved shoe's battles with Irv on the cubbune boards)
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I'd take Gardy.
The problem he would find is the Sox system does not teach fundamental baseball. :)
The base running mistakes alone would give him a heart attack.
You would have thought with all of Ozzie's talk about playing the right way that the system would get engineered to respond, and produce players who could play Ozzie's way. But when you develop so few players for actual major league spots on your roster, and Ozzie keeps playing guys like Rios no matter how far his head is up his ass, why should they bother to teach fundamentals.
Maybe a guy like Gardy would come in and say "here's what you need to change with player development to keep me from having a heart attack . . "
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Sure, but would KW listen to Gardenhire, or anyone else?
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I think KW would listen to someone he respects, yeah. I don't think he respects(respected) Ozzie. I think, and I'm only guessing here, he didn't like the way Ozzie mouthed off ALL the time, how his kids mouthed off all the time, and how Ozzie always seemed to have this air of entitlement about him. Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.
And I don't think Ozzie respected KW either, possibly for similar reasons. The difference is I don't think Ozzie would really respect any GM with the Sox.
Both really need to go.
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Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.
Yep. Loyalty to a fault.
JR, KW, OG - all need to go.
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It really wouldnt make me sad if Ozzie goes too, but KW has to go. You already have Hahn ready to step in. I wouldnt wait till Hahn finds another job elsewhere
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I think KW would listen to someone he respects, yeah. I don't think he respects(respected) Ozzie. I think, and I'm only guessing here, he didn't like the way Ozzie mouthed off ALL the time, how his kids mouthed off all the time, and how Ozzie always seemed to have this air of entitlement about him. Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.
And I don't think Ozzie respected KW either, possibly for similar reasons. The difference is I don't think Ozzie would really respect any GM with the Sox.
Both really need to go.
I dont think KW respects anyone other them himself... hes comes of as being berry barry arrogant... not that ozzie is much different. I'll bet Ozzie will respect a GM that doesnt draft **** talent...
We're talking about getting Gardy here... Twins have been successful because they always have SOMEONE in the minors at every position to step in... this year not so much but years past they've always had that... what do we have at SS? how about 2b? 3b? cf? lf? rf? C? not much... not much at all. and that falls on the GM.
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I'll bet Ozzie will respect a GM that doesnt draft **** talent...
I bet that won't make a difference.
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Hudson, right now, remains the only young player we've traded who looks to be a bad giveaway. And while he had potential, he certainly hadn't lit up the world with the Sox
How can you forget GIO?
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If you have an aggressive GM who's always trading prospects for guys who can help now, then losing two prospects who turn out great is not so bad. Especially if, to be fair, you acknowledge that Kenny relieved other teams of players like Danks, and Floyd, and even Quentin.
That said, he probably feels so free to trade all his prospects because he's go devalued the system.
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If you have an aggressive GM who's always trading prospects for guys who can help now, then losing two prospects who turn out great is not so bad. Especially if, to be fair, you acknowledge that Kenny relieved other teams of players like Danks, and Floyd, and even Quentin.
What have we won with them? We havent been to the post season in the last 3 years.
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Coop & Baines got re-upped. The rest -- adios amigos!
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Then it looks like the new manager will be from in house, not outside the organization. A new manager would want his own people
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Then it looks like the new manager will be from in house, not outside the organization. A new manager would want his own people
A new manager rarely gets to name all his own coaches.
Usually a GM picks at least one coach that he knows and trusts to report any 'problems' back to him. For example, Don Cooper, was a KW pick, not a Ozzie hire. Even well established managers rarely get to name all their own coaches as Larry Rothschild was a Jim Hendry hire/loyalist and not chosen by Cubs manger Lou Pinella as the pitching coach.
In the vast majority of MLB clubhouses, at least one coach is or was considered a 'spy' for the GM when he was first hired.
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Good call on those coaches. Those are the only two worth anything.
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are you sure its the actual Baines and not the Baines statue that got retained?
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Knowing Reinsy's love for Harold, its not a surprise that Harold is retained. Cant agree that he necessarily deserved to be rehired.
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I hope he gets the manager's job. Then Kenny will have no one to blame for his sh1t moves. Baines might also be about the only person in the world to have the patience to deal with KW as his boss... and go through a rebuilding phase.
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are you sure its the actual Baines and not the Baines statue that got retained?
Ha, can you tell the difference?
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Heh
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Haha, one and the same. Hay no diferencia.
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Ozzie's departure is a crap ending to a crap season. I predicted more than once that the Sox wouldn't see .500 this year after all was said and done.
This ball club is not going to win another World Series title until KW is gone, folks. He is an anchor on this team in the most literal sense.
We might be able to break out the champagne again in, oh, about 2027.
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For Boat:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-walker-out-as-white-sox-hitting-coach-20110928,0,6792209.story
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Too bad it's three years too late...
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Too bad it's three years too late...
With Ozzie and Walker gone, I'm surprised nobody's brought out the brooms yet....
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I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.
I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox. I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile.
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Gracious, I can't believe Waker was here for 9 very long years.
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Here, this will make you throw-up. http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down
How on earth do we still end up saddled with KW while the media is standing room only to see Ozzie introduced in Florida.
Blecko again.
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I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.
I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox. I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile.
I think Ozzie had a terrible year managing. I also grew tired of the drama. Could well have affected team performance. But, unless they make the right hire, you could well be right.
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Here, this will make you throw-up. http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down
How on earth do we still end up saddled with KW while the media is standing room only to see Ozzie introduced in Florida.
Blecko again.
It's like the proverbial train wreck, Loveland. They show up out of morbid curiosity.
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I think Ozzie had a terrible year managing. I also grew tired of the drama. Could well have affected team performance. But, unless they make the right hire, you could well be right.
Bingo.
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Here, this will make you throw-up. http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down
How on earth do we still end up saddled with KW while the media is standing room only to see Ozzie introduced in Florida.
Blecko again.
"Williams said he is aware that he also might be the reason there isn't another World Series title on the South Side of Chicago since the club ended an 88-year championship drought in 2005."
Well, duhhh.
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I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.
I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox. I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile.
I'm definitely in the "It should have been Kenny instead" camp. I'm not happy that Ozzie is gone, but not super-bummed either.
The guy I'm fretting about losing is Buehrle. I don't care that's he's probably not worth $14 million, he's my favorite guy on the team and he can start IMBL anytime.
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He Ain't Gone:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-harrelson-receives-extension-with-sox-through-2015-20110928,0,803389.story
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I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.
I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox. I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile.
I'm definitely in the "It should have been Kenny instead" camp. I'm not happy that Ozzie is gone, but not super-bummed either.
The guy I'm fretting about losing is Buehrle. I don't care that's he's probably not worth $14 million, he's my favorite guy on the team and he can start IMBL anytime.
I have firmly been in the fire KW camp along with Method
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I also agree that without the right managerial hire this team could be headed into a serious decline. You need a Gardy or someone of that caliber to run this team
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There was a bit of history made this season. Ladies and gentlemen, your new White Sox single season strikeout king: Adam Dunn, with 177, surpassing Dave Nicholson's 175 in 1964.
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From the "Adam Dunn Sucks" Facebook page:
He actually did not "qualify" for the lowest batting average in baseball history, being that he only had 496 overall plate appearances. However, taking in consideration that even if he had another 6 plate appearances to give him 502 and went 6 for 6 (ha-ha!) that would have only raised his overall average to .171, still .008 points behind Rob Deer's .179.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Dunn hits .270 and smacks 40 HRs next year.
I also wouldn't be surprised if he hits .170 again.
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He actually did not "qualify" for the lowest batting average in baseball history, being that he only had 496 overall plate appearances.
Think that was by design? To have some empathy for that fat bastard? If so, weak.
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After seeing Don Cooper's two post-game pressers, I got to admit I wouldn't mind if he got Ozzie's job. He'd be a hell of a lot more interestiung than Sandy Jr or Cindy's buddy.
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Before anyone defends Ozzie's managing this year TOO much:
August 31: 9th inning, Ozzie pinch hits Adam Dunn for Brent Lillibridge. Dunn was 0 for 2 lifetime against Joe Nathan. Lillibridge was 1 for 1 against Nathan, a 2-run homer......and Lillibridge on this day was 1 for 3 with a 2-run homer.
That move really sticks in my craw.
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Juan Pierre tied A.J. Pierzynski for fourth on the team with 50 RBIs.
Beast Mode, b*tches
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-rest-then-major-retooling-ahead-for-sox-following-7983-season-20110928,0,706699.story
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We may just need a Juan Pierre Mega-Retrospective: Images From Two Glorious Seasons.
And yes, I've saved them on Flickr. ****.
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The 2011 season is now offically over for the White Sox so this topic is now closed and locked. A 2012 White Sox / Sox Management topic will return in its place starting with the opening of Spring Training in February 2012. Until then, please use the new Offseason 2011-12 topic to post.
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We'll open this topic up earlier that planned due to JoeyCub's request.
Let's try to keep this topic limited to White Sox talk only and use the Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League for discussion of the other 29 teams.
When pitcher and catchers report to camp in February, we'll close the Around Baseball/ HSL topic and replace it with a Spring Training - 2012 topic.
Is this satisfactory Joey?
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No complaints here....
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Well I already have some complaints about the 2012 version of the Chicago American League baseball club.
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Well I already have some complaints about the 2012 version of the Chicago American League baseball club.
You mean, (broadcaster voice on) Your Fifth-Place 2012 Chicago White Sox?
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Your Fifth-Place 2012 Chicago White Sox?
At this point its entirely possible from my viewpoint
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Finally some good news from 35th and Veeck Drive!
or is it good news as it make Danks 'more tradeable' just like giving Santos the extension did in late September.
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-10/65764253.jpg)
Danks agrees to 5-year, $65 million deal with Sox
Left-hander now can be anchor for rebuilding movement
After losing ace Mark Buehrle and trading closer Sergio Santos, White Sox general manager Ken Williams labeled his White Sox as being in "rebuilding" mode.
If so, then he has the foundation for the project after agreeing with John Danks on a five-year, $65-million contract Wednesday that multiple outlets have confirmed. The deal will not become official until after Christmas when the left-hander passes a physical exam.
And while the contract could make it easier to trade Danks, it seems likely Williams, who didn't' return text messages, will use him as a centerpiece in a makeover to a cheaper, younger team.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1222-danks-white-sox-chicago--20111222,0,2242728.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1222-danks-white-sox-chicago--20111222,0,2242728.story)
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I am almost about to break down and cry in tears..
I'm glad we kept him... and now MB's contract does look ridiculous.
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Wow, nice move, hard to believe. Let MB move on, make Danks the new stud LH and let Sale take over Danks spot. I sorta like it, despite losing Buehrle.
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I bet that contact is heavily backloaded.
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Rebuilding? No...
http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/33992280
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This really surprised me
"Danks joined Tommy Thomas (1926-31) as the only pitchers in franchise history to make at least 25 starts in each of his first five seasons. "
I also love what I read in what ISF posted
"Third, the word in both the international scouting community and among White Sox people is that the Sox could be very involved in the bidding for 26-year-old Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes, who should become a free agent next month."
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Lets see...
Rotation: Danks, Floyd, Peavy (one more year removed from surgery, sometimes that is very key), Humber and Sale. Not great, but pretty solid assuming Peavy is ok and Sale comes thru to at least finish something like 10-10. If Peavy fully recovers, it is possible, then I like our staff very much. I really think Humber will stay solid. He was once the 3rd choice in the draft, and he looked like it last season.
Pen: Let Addison Reed close. Thornton, Crain, Fraser and Ohman are pretty solid setup men. Could use one more solid pen guy. Axelrod maybe, tho I would like to see him continue as a starter. Maybe we get that one Rule V kid back if Twins do not keep him (course that means he would have had to sucked in ST). Maybe the kid we got for Sanchez can relieve, but I think they want him to start in AAA if nothing more than to get him some innings (he is another ex position player)
I would like to see us spend the cashola to get the Cuban outfielder, Cespedes. He might be able to start. Hey, if we do not spend on the draft, I would not mind as long as we spent on even more sure things from Cuba or elsewhere in the Carribbean. Especially these Cuban guys, they are typically older and more major league ready than the other types that some clubs spend their money on.
OK, that is all I can type, the buzz is wearing off now.
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If humber falters i'd guess the the guy we got for santos steps in?
Still worried about us screwing up sale... starter/ to bullpen to starter no bueno.
Bullpen is looking rough... i dont see thorny starting the year with us.. think thats one spot KW can cut some $$$.
Cespedes might not be a bad get but if hes looking for 32/4 thats a pretty steep price.
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I have zero faith in Humber. He just didnt have it after once around the league. I expect more of the same this year
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If Cepedes is a RFer I say go for it. Cant be any worse there than Quentin.
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Still worried about us screwing up sale... starter/ to bullpen to starter no bueno.
Didn't seem to negatively affect a guy named Buehrle eleven years ago.
Bigger worry on Sale is his unorthodox delivery, not moving from starter to bullpen to starter.
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Yeah, I like seeing a kid pitch a year or two in relief and then step into the rotation. Astros used to do that and those guys were ready by that time, and they had learned how to pitch out of situations.
Humber did not do that poorly after his first time thru the league.
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Yeap... 3rd time thru... but one can argue thats fatigue.
With sale thats my issue... dont think that delivery will stand up to starting... and we didnt help him by moving him back and forth in roles
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What was Humber's ERA prior to the All Star break compared to the last half?
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Yeah, I like seeing a kid pitch a year or two in relief and then step into the rotation. Astros used to do that and those guys were ready by that time, and they had learned how to pitch out of situations.
The New York Mets did it too in the late '60s. Took a 22-year old kid pitcher who started 18 out of 21 games for them in '68 and moved him into the bullpen for most of the '69 season including the post-season. They went on to win the World Series that year. BTW, the kid pitcher who moved from starter to bullpen and back to starter was Nolan Ryan.
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excellent example andy.... chris sale is nolan ryan!
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excellent example andy.... chris sale is nolan ryan!
Chris Sale is an arrogant a-hole who never won anything except as a reliever, who pads his own stats while putting himself before his team?
God, I hope not.
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Chris Sale is an arrogant a-hole who never won anything except as a reliever, who pads his own stats while putting himself before his team?
God, I hope not.
Saw THAT coming.
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excellent example andy.... chris sale is nolan ryan!
Never said or implied that Chris Sale would turn into Nolan Ryan. I'd be surprised and more than thrilled if the CWS got 70 wins over the next 5 years out of Chris Sale before he reaches free agency. If he even lasts that long without a major elbow injury. I expect with safety in mind, the CWS will try to limit Chris Sale to somewhere between 150-175 innings pitched in the 2012 season due to his one year layoff from starting.
I just used Ryan & Buehrle as examples on how the switch from starter to reliever back to starter doesn't negatively affect a pitcher. Ferguson Jenkins is another guy that started his ML career in the bullpen before he was put in the starting rotation full-time. He had a very long and productive relatively injury-free career like Buehrle and Ryan.
Sale's unorthodox delivery should be the concern on his longevity as a MLB pitcher. Not the switch from starter to reliever to starter.
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and Method, you keep saying we have switched him back and forth, we have not, he has been in the pen since we drafted him. Don't worry so much about his delivery, it works for him.
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Well I worry about his delivery. Sure it HAS worked for him, but he never threw 200 innings with it either. Thats a lot of stress on that shoulder and arm. But there are exceptions to rules. Just because some pitchers have had arm and shoulder problems doesnt necessarily mean Sale will too. But that being said, it certainly is a cause for concern. Even as great as Kerry Wood WAS as a starter, he has found that he cant put all that stress on his arm and needs to be a one inning pitcher. I guess we just have to hope he doesnt have arm/shoulder trouble.
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I thought they had tried to stretch him out last spring as well...
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I thought they had tried to stretch him out last spring as well...
They did and it was the original plan to make him a starter in 2011.
However Humber's performance in spring training gave them 5+ candidates for the rotation without Sale (Buehrle, Jackson, Danks, Floyd, Humber and a late returning Peavy).
Add to it that their primary 8th inning lefty (Thornton) was scheduled to move into the closer roll leaving only one other lefty in the bullpen (Ohman) made it more necessary to keep Sale in the bullpen.
It's not that Sale wasn't capable to start, it was he was needed more in the bullpen.
That's pretty much the same thought the Mets had in '69 with Ryan.
Ryan was more than ready to start but the Mets 4-man rotation was solid and he filled in a big hole in the bullpen.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-soxrangers-will-be-primetime-on-april-8-20120110,0,2579002.story
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ok, I am going to make my 1012 prediction.
Addison Reed is in the top 3 for AL ROY voting.
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hmmm... interesting.. i didnt think they played baseball back then... but alright :P
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hmmm... interesting.. i didnt think they played baseball back then... but alright
The 1012 World Series was played between the Reykjavik Norsemen (with Leif Ericson pitching) and the Winchester Hesitators (led by Aethelred the Unready).
The Norsemen, wielding battle-axes, chopped down the Englishmen in five games.
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damn it all to hell
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Fury, its been alledged that Winchester threw the series -- many believe the Templar Knights were behind it (they made a killing betting on the games).
As a baseball historian, I thought you knew that.
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Good job guys. LOL
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White Sox released their 2012 promotional schedule a week ago.
The camouflage hat that they're giving away in mid-August seems appropriate since they should be 15+ games under .500 by then:
(http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-8821020t130.gif)
(Note: For illustration purposes only. This is not a photo of the actual giveaway cap.)
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120105&content_id=26268820&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120105&content_id=26268820&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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ain't nothing that doesn't go with camouflage
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Camo goes well with any clothing item that's dirty.
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Good article in BA on Sox needing to get with the rest of the folks and recruit Latin America better.
Here is the link http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/news/2012/2612803.html
Here is a few hilites, did not know that Krauss did sign someone in his short time.
A veteran scout familiar with the inner workings of the White Sox and the Dominican said that trainers wouldn't even bring players to Sox camps in the last decade because their offers would pale in comparison to signing bonuses offered by other teams. As teams spent more money in the Caribbean, the Sox were more content to invest their money in U.S. amateur talent, though they have rarely spent over the recommended slot for draft picks in the past 10 years.
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Krause brought in respected scout Pablo Cruz, who signed Aramis Ramirez during his tenure with the Pirates, and his first big sign was 6-foot-7 lefthander Jefferson Olacio for $125,000. But Cruz left a few months after joining the team and Krause resigned after less than a year to join the Diamondbacks as a special assistant.
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"We're able to add a guy who has proven himself to be very capable of bringing major league talent to the forefront and has already started down that road," Williams said of Paddy, who signed Cuban shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria, two-time Futures Game pitcher Henderson Alvarez and Venezuelan catcher Carlos Perez. Under Paddy's watch and with a healthy international signing budget, the Blue Jays added some of the top players on the international market last year, including Mexican righthander Roberto Osuna, Venezuelan outfielders Wuilmer Becerra and Jesus Gonzalez, and Dominican shortstop Dawel Lugo.
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(http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/22531475.jpg)
Feeling fresh, Pierzynski not thinking farewell
Catcher anticipates playing beyond 2012, his 15th MLB season
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/23/12 2:33 PM EST
CHICAGO -- The 2012 campaign marks the 15th big league season for A.J. Pierzynski, his 12th full one.
Despite Pierzynski having endured the bumps and bruises of catching at least 1,000 innings for 10 straight seasons, making him the only active backstop to accomplish such a feat, while knocking out 1,512 hits and 128 home runs, the 35-year-old has no intention of making this upcoming year his last in the Majors.
"I would love to keep playing," Pierzynski told MLB.com during a recent phone interview from his Florida home. "Physically, I feel great. I feel as good this winter as I have in a long time. "There are no physical limitations on anything, and I'm happy to be able to go out and play. I'm fortunate that I've done the things I've done. I haven't been beat up. I would love to finish my career with the White Sox."
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120123&content_id=26438334&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120123&content_id=26438334&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Morel entering 2012 in new comfort zone
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/18/12 5:08 PM EST
CHICAGO -- Spring Training 2012 should be a decidedly different experience for Brent Morel from Spring Training 2011.
Morel arrived in Glendale, Ariz., last February ready to partake in a third-base position battle with veteran Mark Teahen. Because of the fact that Morel was pretty much limited to playing third base defensively, the talented 24-year-old wasn't even guaranteed a roster spot.
Not only did Morel win that starting nod, with Teahen eventually being traded to the Blue Jays, but he finished off a fairly solid first full season in the big leagues. Morel's stellar defense never was a question, but he added a .245 average, 10 home runs and 41 RBIs from the bottom of the order.
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26382046&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26382046&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Encouraging headline on Pierzynski; there's nothing worse than having that not-so-fresh feeling.
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Sox add 18 to Spring Training roster:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-sox-add-18-to-spring-training-roster-20120123,0,2037241.story
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Sox promote Buddy Bell, 2 others:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-sox-promote-bell-capra-champion-in-player-development-department-20120123,0,3992701.story
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Y'know, what we need on the Sox are eight more .245 hitters, like Morel. Yeah.
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Jake speaks:
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/whitesox-talk/post/Peavy-ready-for-bounce-back-season?blockID=636866&feedID=10338&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
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Actually, I have less optimism for a "bounce back" from Peavy than I do for Dunn.
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And I am hearing a bunch of anti-Coop stuff too
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When the Sox are in contention AJ is rock solid and locked in.
When they slip out, he goes through the motions.
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TRIGGER!
Andy, why are my and Trigger's avs so small? That's some kind of BS.
I did try reloading it.
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Theirs are portrait and yours is landscape..
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It was fine before Method. Flickr doesn't have a way to specify that. I also tried uploading from my computer. Any idea on a fix?
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White Sox signed left-hander Scott Olsen to a minor league contract, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick tweets. The deal includes a 2013 option.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/white-sox-sign-scott-olsen.html
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Ugh:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-to-wear-1972-red-throwback-jersey-for-sunday-home-games-20120125,0,1936476.story
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It was fine before Method. Flickr doesn't have a way to specify that. I also tried uploading from my computer. Any idea on a fix?
Possibly has something to do with the latest C-A-F upgrade as I see my avatar is now also smaller.
That's also now the case for my avatar on three other C-A-F boards (Dave23's BBF, World Today and Phill23's Chicago Bulls Central). All of them now display reduced size avatars.
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Sox in line for final push for Cespedes?
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 4:48 p.m. CST, January 25, 2012
Along with telephone calls by Cuban native Dayan Viciedo, the Chicago White Sox have several elements that can't hurt their chances of landing free agent outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.
Cespedes, 26, was granted free agency Wednesday by Major League Baseball after establishing residency in the Dominican Republic. Cespedes' decision could come down to money, but the Sox are well-equipped to provide a comfort zone for him, according to an international talent evaluator from another American League team.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-in-line-for-final-push-for-cespedes-20120125,0,5809069.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-in-line-for-final-push-for-cespedes-20120125,0,5809069.story)
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Why would one need a larger avatar?
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-bad-offseason-gets-worse-for-white-sox-20120125,0,5169054.column
So, you get the idea, the whole thing reeks. It’s aggravating in some ways, pitiable in others, and don’t forget hopeless. This has been some offseason for the second baseball team in town. Geez, this has been some week, and it’s only half-over.
Tell you what, if they really wanted to create a buzz for SoxFest, they’d introduce Theo Epstein.
Haha thats telling them. LOL ;D ;D ;D
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Guillen followed with tweets that indicated he would empty the magazine that is his mouth when he came to Chicago. The Chairman didn’t want to continue that tiresome crap, so he tried to stanch it by releasing a statement pardoning Guillen, who might not have quit on the team the way everybody thinks, but he certainly made it all about his contract selfishness a month earlier when the Sox were facing their last best chance to have a season.
So, that’s how the week of SoxFest began, with the Sox running for cover, and now we know that management can’t play defense any better than the guys in uniform do.
Heh
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Ugh:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-to-wear-1972-red-throwback-jersey-for-sunday-home-games-20120125,0,1936476.story
I agree, yecch. During the red-and-white uniform years, I always wondered if the White Sox were trying to be the Red Sox.
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Wow, all kinds of stupid in that article:
Tell you what, if they really wanted to create a buzz for SoxFest, they’d introduce Theo Epstein.
Why, so we can have a GM that overloads our team with bad contracts? We already have that. Or someone who's won a world series in the last decade? We have that too. Sure, Theo's Red Sox won 2 WS but he also had one more thing our GM doesn't have: a massive payroll to work with.
Before last season, the Red Sox had a team that almost everyone thought was headed to the World Series with Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Lackey, Lester, Papelbon, etc. They started off slow then got back on track and built a very comfortable wild card lead. And then there was a collapse of epic proportions that basically ran the "great" Theo Epstein out of town. Why does everyone want that so badly?
and now we know that management can’t play defense any better than the guys in uniform do.
Not sure I get this statement. Is he saying it was a bad thing that Reinsdorf tried to fan the flames because our moronic ex-manager can't ever keep his big mouth shut and perpetually acts like a 5-yr old?
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I just checked the 2012 schedule, and sure enough, there will be two Red Sox teams playing each other at the Cell on Sunday, April 29.
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Wow, all kinds of stupid in that article:
Tell you what, if they really wanted to create a buzz for SoxFest, they’d introduce Theo Epstein.
Why, so we can have a GM that overloads our team with bad contracts? We already have that. Or someone who's won a world series in the last decade? We have that too. Sure, Theo's Red Sox won 2 WS but he also had one more thing our GM doesn't have: a massive payroll to work with.
Before last season, the Red Sox had a team that almost everyone thought was headed to the World Series with Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Lackey, Lester, Papelbon, etc. They started off slow then got back on track and built a very comfortable wild card lead. And then there was a collapse of epic proportions that basically ran the "great" Theo Epstein out of town. Why does everyone want that so badly?
and now we know that management can’t play defense any better than the guys in uniform do.
Not sure I get this statement. Is he saying it was a bad thing that Reinsdorf tried to fan the flames because our moronic ex-manager can't ever keep his big mouth shut and perpetually acts like a 5-yr old?
Whitesox have had a top 5-8 payroll for 7 years running... so thats a craptastic excuse. how many bad contracts do the bosox have? the collapse drove francona out of town... theo did his job.
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the collapse drove francona out of town... theo did his job.
Just like KW did his job! How can you possibly think that way about Epstein (that the problems weren't his fault when he was the one who put that team together) yet villify Williams?? They did the same things!!!!!
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no no they didnt... one got adrian gonzalez when he was 27... the other got a 32 year old adam dunn...
thats not even close to the same thing.
One built a consistant winner with a stocked farm system.. the other tries to catch lighting in a pan and has no clue how to build a farm system.
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in a pan?
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I recommend against using a pan to catch lightning.
However, one can have a flash in a bottle. But its not easy.
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However, one can have a flash in a bottle. But its not easy.
Lol!
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in a pan... since he seems to get electrocuted often.
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Ha yeah, be careful with that flash in a bottle or you'll be up a tree without a paddle.
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Beckham feeling good heading into new year
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/26/12 4:19 PM EST
CHICAGO -- Over the course of Gordon Beckham's 2011 offensive struggles, amateur hitting coaches around Chicago and across the Internet dissected Beckham's plate approach against his better times dating back even to his Georgia days.
The general consensus arrived at from studying video or simple screen grabs was that Beckham had developed a hitch in his swing leading to his downfall. That theory was quickly shot down by Beckham when the idea was presented prior to the start of this weekend's SoxFest.
"No, that's not the case," said Beckham, speaking to MLB.com during a meet-and-greet at Hub 51 to celebrate the 2011 success with his Out of the Park for Parkinson's charity in association with the National Parkinson Foundation.
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26479842&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26479842&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Ugh:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-to-wear-1972-red-throwback-jersey-for-sunday-home-games-20120125,0,1936476.story
If the White Sox plan to wear the '72 uniforms at all their Sunday home games, they really should go 'All In' and wear the '72 away versions on Sundays road games too:
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Hope they bring back the '72 socks to wear along with the Sunday home unis. Of course with the new style of wearing their pants down and covering the socks, they'll be barely noticeable:
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This Dick Allen photo shows some of the '72 socks:
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Yup there he is. Dick Allen. Interesting homies at home and roadies on the road each Sunday
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As long as MLB doesn't bring back the 1999 'Turn Ahead the Clock' Day promotion, I won't mind the CWS using the '72 jerseys on Sunday.
In case you forgot, the 1999 TATC jersey looked like this:
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http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008 (http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008)
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other MLB teams wore:
http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008 (http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008)
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(http://i35.tinypic.com/xarhv5.jpg)
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I wonder if that was Brooks's idea
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Those were hideous
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They still are.
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Horrific.
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Even with that slow start, Ventura tabbed Thornton on Thursday as his leading 2012 closer candidate over rookie Addison Reed and Jesse Crain.
"I'm leaning on Matt doing that," Ventura said. "I don't think those type of things are concrete. I would like to see him do that, but we'll see how that goes in Spring Training with him and how he feels."
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Appreciate Blown Saves.
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Heh.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/8470/ventura-hints-at-plans-for-2012-season
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Some people have to learn the hard way and Ventura just might be one of those
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And it wouldnt surprise me if KW told him Thornton could close
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To play devil's advocate....
If you have a closer with no leads for him to protect, do you really have a closer?
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Say, is Javier Vazquez retiring, or is he interested in pitching? We've got a nice low-pressure team for him to excel on.
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Say, is Javier Vazquez retiring, or is he interested in pitching? We've got a nice low-pressure team for him to excel on.
I think Kenny has other plans. I heard that he was defrosting a few lobsters.
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Say, is Javier Vazquez retiring, or is he interested in pitching? We've got a nice low-pressure team for him to excel on.
Excellent
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The pitching situation, particularly the BP, should be one of the most interesting things to follow in ST.
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Hey its Oats. Hi buddy! Glad you made it here. Hope you keep posting.
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I was just over in your area on Wednesday and was thinking about how you are doing
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By the way I cought a bit of the beginning of Sox Fest and they interviewed Thornton. He said he wants another crack at closing. He is looking forward to the challenge.
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No.
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I didnt say it Thornton said it.
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Jheter, check it out.... pure gold:
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2884824&postcount=314
Wonder if that a**hole will ban himself for the "personal attack"?
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HAHAHAHAHAH- why do I get the feeling that Brian26 is one of those people who stood in line for autographs? And since when does "prick" get allowed over there?
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One of my favorite times of the off-season... reading about all those goofs...
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I like when they get desperate for something to talk about, you get something like 10 pages devoted to the throwback uniforms.
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By the way I cought a bit of the beginning of Sox Fest and they interviewed Thornton. He said he wants another crack at losing.
Fixed that for you.
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Parent wants the Sox to run more. Now there's something we haven't heard before.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120130&content_id=26515848&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws&partnerId=rss_cws
On the surface, this strikes me as stupid, given the Sox' SB% was second-to-last in the majors last year, a gifty 60%, but if you really think about it, it's still really stupid.
I know, Juan Pierre is gone, but still. . .
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I dont think we have the team speed to steal bases.
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You have to get on base to run more...
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Right, ya cant steal first
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ARow could
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Haha
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Mark Parent stresses the Sox will be working on fundamentals, starting in the minor leagues. Going to do things the "White Sox Way". When he was with the Orioles he learned a lot from Cal Ripken Sr and they had the "Orioles Way" (back when the O's were good)!
Would be a welcomed change if they follow through with this.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-0201-white-sox-chicago--20120201,0,4811621.story
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Well then I would have rather he said "going to do things the 'Oriole Way'".
Anyway, they say this shytte every year.
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you can't run yourself out of innings if you can't get on base first
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Anyway, they say this shytte every year.
How can that be when neither Ventura nor Parent have run any White Sox teams in the past?
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"They" = everybody.
You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends. Write this down: "We gotta play it one day at a time."
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:o ::) ::) ;)
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The last couple of years (the Sox) have got too big of a separation between the major leagues and the minor leagues," Parent said. "The minor leagues weren't on the same page.
This never mattered in the past because Kenny always traded away the prospects before they made it to the big club.
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What the White Sox should do (long post)
A plan for rebuilding the Orioles
By Jim Bowden | ESPN.com | Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM
Orioles skipper Buck Showalter has work ahead of him. Here's how his front office can help.
In 1997, Davey Johnson led the Orioles to a first-place finish in the American League East. The team won 98 games and featured a pitching staff with four starters in double-digit wins, a closer who saved 45 games and two future Hall of Famers in Cal Ripken Jr. and Roberto Alomar.
Today, the Orioles have no players of such caliber and need only look 40 miles south to find Johnson once again in the Mid-Atlantic area managing the rival Washington Nationals, this time with eyes trained on a National League East title.
It’s been 15 years since the Baltimore Orioles mattered. And unless the team is willing to take some drastic measures, it might be 15 more. And they need to start the process now, as it will take anywhere from 6-10 years to rectify their current problems.
Consider it took the Oakland A’s six sub-.500 years, from 1993-1998, to rebuild their team into the contender that dominated the early 2000s with “The Big Three” of Barry Zito, Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson. It took Tampa Bay 10 years of sub-.500 ball, from 1998-2007, to get it right. They’ve made the playoffs in three of the past four years and are arguably the favorites to win the division this year. Certainly the Orioles had better get started soon. Here's a five-point plan for getting the O's back into contention.
article continued at: http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=the-gms-office&id=3378 (http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=the-gms-office&id=3378)
(Post edited by Admin to conform with the fair use provision of U.S. copyright laws)
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Sox's Peavy: 'I'm as 100 percent as I can be'
Right-hander's goal is at least 30 starts, 200 innings
By Dave van Dyck, Chicago Tribune reporter - 7:25 p.m. CST, February 5, 2012
Ask Jake Peavy whether he is 100 percent healthy for this season and this is the answer you get:
"I'm as 100 percent as I can be. I don't know if I'm 100 percent as to what I was four years ago. I know I'm as 100 percent as 100 percent is going to get after what I had done (surgically). I guess that's the best way to say it."
Well, that's one way to say it. And actually, it's not a bad way when you re-read it slowly.
One thing seems certain about this summer on the South Side: If Peavy isn't 100 percent — whether you use his San Diego scale or the post-surgery scale — the White Sox's chances of a rebound season is close to 0 percent.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0206-whites-sox-peavy-chicago--20120206,0,5324067.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0206-whites-sox-peavy-chicago--20120206,0,5324067.story)
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Uh, so he says. If that translates to wins I will be happy. Until then we shall see. Like daddy always said, "Talk is cheap, its action that counts"
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almost sounds like he is preparing us for disappointment. "As good as I am going to be"?? Cripes, just say you are healthy again and lets see how it goes.
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Thats what i saw in that too MSF.. "i'm 100% of the new max i can be... forget cy jake"
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If that chode would have just accepted the trade the first time, then he wouldn't have hurt his foot running the bases... it all snowballed from there...
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Good point on the base running deal, cripes. I will take 14-10 with 225 innings from the guy.
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This doesn't sound like the Peavy I've come to know: I think he can be even 100 percenter than he is now.
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Good point on the base running deal, cripes. I will take 14-10 with 225 innings from the guy.
I would hope KW jettisons him if thats what we are to get from PV. I would be surprised if we get any starter with a positive record this season. And I dont see any of the starting OFers hitting .250 or better this year.
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From Ozzie to Bobby V, eyes are on skippers
Ten managers who will encounter challenges in new season
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120208&content_id=26607630&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
4. Robin Ventura, White Sox: He's not the high-decibel Ozzie Guillen -- which isn't necessarily a bad thing -- but the soft-spoken Ventura still has a tough act to follow.
More to the point, he'll be without workhorse starter Mark Buehrle (Marlins), closer Sergio Santos (Blue Jays) and productive outfielder Carlos Quentin (Padres). The biggest reason the South Side icon will be under such a microscope, though, is that he comes to the job without previous managerial or coaching experience at any level.
"I have principles of things I like and a policy of the way things should be done," Ventura promised. "It might not be as loud, but I'm very persistent with how I like to do things and the way I like it being done. I'm not a loud person, but it will get done."
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You know Spring Training is around the corner when the broadcast schedule is released:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120208&content_id=26613280&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws
As an aside, looks like Sox-Rangers Opening Day game will be on the MLB Network.
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productive outfielder Carlos Quentin
If only........
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Damn near won MVP that year before he hurt his wrist, I call that productive as well as peaking my interest in him as a hitter.
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and before I get scolded over an injury riddled player, seems like all the young Sox end up that way, or a lot of em.
Pete Ward, Ron Hanson, Bill Melton, Ron Kittle, Joe Crede - all bad backs.
Jason Bere, Bart Johnson and many others - bad wings.
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I see I "piqued" your interest enough to get you to post.
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Identity crisis envelops rebuilding White Sox
By Jeff Passan, Yahoo! Sports - Jan 19, 5:03 pm EST
2011 record: 79-83
Finish: Third place, AL Central
2011 final payroll: $125.8 million
Estimated 2012 opening day payroll: $98 million
Yahoo! Sports’ offseason rank: 23rd
Offseason Action
he Chicago White Sox are Jerry Reinsdorf’s car, and his whims tend to dictate how it’s outfitted. Last season, Reinsdorf was in go-for-it mode, so he went full “Pimp My Ride,” throwing around nearly $120 million in guaranteed money. Gone this year are the in-dash TV, the leather seats and the 24s. If they’re not careful, the White Sox may end up without a steering wheel one of these days.
Much of it was understandable, what with the disappointing 2011, manager Ozzie Guillen’s departure to the Miami Marlins and the contracts of Adam Dunn, Alex Rios and Jake Peavy, on which Reinsdorf still owes $104.5 million. Gone went outfielder Carlos Quentin for a couple minor league pitchers, closer Sergio Santos for another and reliever Jason Frasor for even more pitching. Never mind the enormous risks in young pitchers’ arms. General manager Kenny Williams runs the White Sox with a – hmmm – unique perspective.
And never was that more evident than the day Chicago announced it had locked up starter John Danks to a five-year, $65 million extension. Rebuilding teams under the weight of three absolutely unmovable contracts do not commit that many years and that much money to anyone, particularly a pitcher whose track record of health offers no promise that his elbow and shoulder will continue to cooperate.
more at: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Apc4qC8hcI0wR_.S4s0Fih08R9MF?slug=jp-passan_hot_stove_daily_white_sox_ventura_011912 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Apc4qC8hcI0wR_.S4s0Fih08R9MF?slug=jp-passan_hot_stove_daily_white_sox_ventura_011912)
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I see I "piqued" your interest enough to get you to post.
You sure did.
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. . . .all the other kids with their pimped-up Sox better run better run, faster than the Royals . . .
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Something to read...
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120210&content_id=26646966&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws
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Sounds kindof like this:
We have now entered upon a new phase of a struggle.... Relieved from the necessity of guarding cities and particular points, important but not vital to our defence with our army free to move from point to point, and strike in detail the detachments and garrisons of the enemy; operating in the interior of our own country, where supplies are more accessible, and where the foe will be far removed from his own base, nothing is now needed to render our triumph certain, but the exhibition of our own unquenchable resolve. Let us but will it, and we are free.” --Jefferson Davis April 4, 1865 after the fall of Richmond
(It's all good Andy - public domain and all)
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and we are free.” --Jefferson Davis
"We"? Heh.
Great allegory, by the way.
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Hmmm... guess it can;t hurt. Pierre's uniform #1 has been replaced.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-sign-former-cubs-of-fukudome-20120214,0,4842477.story
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Nice move at that price. Good defensive outfielder and LH off the bench? Solid signing. Certainly can't hurt.
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Under terms of the agreement, [Fuku] will receive $500,000 in 2012, while the Sox hold a $3.5-millon option for 2013, including a $500,000 buyout.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/10637031-419/kosuke-fukudome-signs-with-white-sox.html
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Kosuke can catch the ball. The sox need outfielders who can catch the ball.
http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=CST_soxvan
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In addition to having a great "Prof. Frink" name, Daryl Van Schouwen looks like the love child of Albert Brooks and Colm Meany.
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Hah!! what a hoot. Fuk will have a good year. Maybe it will even entice boatdrink back to "book it".
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Actually, I communicated with boatdrink awhile back and the only reason he's not on at this point is the fact that his employer now has all forums blocked. I wonder how you do that.
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so get a damn iphone or an android! Lazy.
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pretty easy to block forums etc... esp when they are generic like createaforum.
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2 days until pitchers and catchers report.
...in case anyone was wondering.
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Thornton, Crain leaving closer's role up to Sox's staff
By Mark Gonzales - Tribune reporter - 11:47 a.m. CST, February 22, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. - Matt Thornton said Wednesday he's more consumed with preparing for the regular season and not winning the closer's role this spring.
"They know what I can do," said Thornton, who won the closer's role but lost it during the first two weeks of the 2011 season. "They know what Jesse (Crain) can do. I’m not out here to have a competition for a job. I’m going to go out and do what I do to prepare myself to help win games for this team.
"If they want me to be the closer, so be it. That’s the way it is. It’s Robin (Ventura's) job at the end. And Kenny (Williams) and (Don) Cooper will give their advice, and the coaches will give their advice on what they think is better. I don’t care, either way. I’m going to help this team wins games. If I get a shot at being the closer, I would enjoy it and I’d like to have a chance I could do it.”
continued at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-thornton-crain-leaving-closers-role-up-to-soxs-staff-20120222,0,4078449.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-thornton-crain-leaving-closers-role-up-to-soxs-staff-20120222,0,4078449.story)
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What riff raff did we get for Santos again?
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some converted position player to starter.
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Sox GM Williams not afraid of changeup
Discusses job status as Ventura begins 1st camp as manager
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 9:34 p.m. CST, February 23, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — As he watched rookie manager Robin Ventura conduct his first workout for pitchers and catchers Thursday, general manager Ken Williams didn't shy away from discussing his job status after three consecutive non-playoff seasons.
"Listen, I've always been fortunate to be part of this whole equation," Williams told reporters. "If there comes a time where (chairman Jerry Reinsdorf) believes that there's somebody that can do this job in a better way ... I'll be the first one to step up and say, 'You need to make this move,' and won't be anything but grateful and thankful and move on my way or move into a different position if he were to suggest that. But it is sports."
With Ozzie Guillen off to Miami, Ventura being hired without any managerial experience and offseason departures by staff ace Mark Buehrle, closer Sergio Santos and slugger Carlos Quentin, Williams knows the stakes might become greater despite the firm loyalty of his chairman.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0224-white-sox-chicago--20120224,0,7752565.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0224-white-sox-chicago--20120224,0,7752565.story)
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Just leave, Kenny.
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Agreed but leave your lobsters for Fury
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KW is such an arrogant SOB!!
He would need a magic wand and broom just to clean this mess up.
Besides, he won't get tossed to the curb.
Just "reassigned" somewhere else in Soxworld!
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Andy, that image is way too small for something as cool as Trigger Fish. What a disgrace.
Gosh, seems like 30 or so years ago, no one had peanut allergies. Now it's quite the in thing:
The White Sox announced Thursday that they will host a "Peanut-Controlled Zone" for a game against the Orioles on Tues., April 17 at 7:10 p.m. CT. The intent is to provide fans who suffer from severe peanut allergies with the safest environment possible. No peanuts, nor anything containing peanuts, will be allowed or sold in three reserved sections of the Club Level at U.S. Cellular Field.
I'd like to go walking past there and point and laugh at these people and call them p***ies.
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My misguided wisdom has blamed all this allergy to this and that to the "anti-bacterial" craze. Jeez WTF ever happened to having some dirt and grime in your life?
I'm surprised they have not come out with bread that can kill germs.
You never asked for drink from someones house, you drank from the garden hose for christ sakes!!
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There's wisdom in your words, dazed.
Let the kids build up their immune systems by getting dirty, being exposed to moderate amounts of germs, and getting sick once in awhile.
No idea how food allergies work, but the pussification of our immune systems is going to be the end of us.
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I think that a lot of the newer food allergies stem from the fact that a lot of what we call "food" isn't food any more. It's full of GMOs, chemicals... it's altered, it's mutated... in many cases, I think the body is rebelling against that s h i t.
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I would assign him to head scout for Lower Slobovia, wherever that is
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George Carlin has the answers on how to improve your immune system.
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I take plenty of vitamin D suplement. Rarely do I get sick.
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Your 2012 breakout star: Brent Morel
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/2/23/2816075/the-next-next-jose-bautista
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Coach Jeff Manto steps up to the plate for White Sox
BY DARYL VAN SCHOUWEN dvanschouwen@suntimes.com February 29, 2012 8:54PM
GLENDALE, Ariz. — Jeff Manto knows how it is for the hitting coach. Team hits, and the players are doing what they get paid for. Team doesn’t, and he needs to be fired.
Beginning his first year with the White Sox after four as the organization’s minor-league hitting instructor, Manto expects the same scrutiny from fans that Greg Walker was under.
“It comes with the territory, without a doubt,’’ Manto said Wednesday. “I’ve been there before in a different environment [as Pittsburgh’s hitting coach in 2006 and ’07], but it’s part of the gig. It’s a sign that these people are passionate. I know it’s not going to be against me personally but me the hitting coach. People are showing the passion. That’s appreciated.’’
more at: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/10967228-574/coach-jeff-manto-steps-up-to-the-plate-for-white-sox.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/10967228-574/coach-jeff-manto-steps-up-to-the-plate-for-white-sox.html)
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"...Manto expects the same scrutiny from fans that Greg Walker was under. However, pitching coach Don Cooper is exempt from any such scrutiny, because he is tight with GM Ken Williams and is Williams' spy in the clubhouse."
Fixed that.
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Brandon Short, he gone for the season. Dang!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-outfield-prospect-brandon-short-out-for-year-20120309,0,6048910.story
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That was a mighty Short career.
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Cripes, KW needs to find some more AAA fodder
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LOL
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Kenny "Mr. Lightning in a bottle" will find some guy he's had a hard on for years who is being dumped and pick them up.
I'm surprised he has not asked Roberto Alomar to come out of retirement along with Carl Everett.
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I'm surprised he has not asked Roberto Alomar to come out of retirement along with Carl Everett.
I know. I'm curious to see who his next lobster will be.
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LOL. Not nice to jossle Andy's sole brother.
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According to Forbes, Jerry & the Boys cleared $10.7 million last year.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/21/3505310/forbes-says-royals-made-285-million.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2012/03/21/the-business-of-baseball-2012/
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Does that $10.7 million represent Jerry's "salary", or is it after paying him something for his investment. He's got expenses.
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How much did Adam Dunn clear last year?
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Lillibridge carving out big niche
Sox utilityman has impressed Ventura so much he could get extra playing time
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 3:44 p.m. CDT, March 24, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — One of the defining moments in the development of Brent Lillibridge occurred two years ago when he was one of the White Sox's final spring cuts.
"I knew my swing was getting there," Lillibridge recalled. "It was just a matter of time."
Since getting promoted from Triple-A Charlotte two months later, Lillibridge gradually has evolved into more than just a versatile glove man.
His steady improvement has encouraged manager Robin Ventura to find ways to get him in the lineup, which could lead to more financial stability for him after virtually facing a crossroads with his third organization.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0325-white-sox-chicago--20120325,0,3946880.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0325-white-sox-chicago--20120325,0,3946880.story)
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2012 White Sox 25-man Roster:
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=cws)
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Looks like three spots are still open on the 40-man roster. Will they be filled internally later on in the year or are they looking at some last minute cuts from the other 29 MLB teams?
2012 White Sox 40-man Roster:
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws)
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Blah, Fukudome.
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Flukydummy
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White Sox will not face Yu Darvish Sunday night:
The Rangers' decision to make Matt Harrison the No. 3 starter means that Yu Darvish will make his American debut against the Mariners and Ichiro Suzuki.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/sc-spt-0401-whispers-rogers-baseball--20120401,0,3606609.column
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Blah, Fukudome.
What's wrong with him?
He's a perfectly adequate 4th OFer. Good OBP, good defense in the corner spots.
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Konerko: Team has 'good vibe'
'All-hands on deck situation,' captain says
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 6:51 p.m. CDT, April 2, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — Paul Konerko has experienced too many spring trainings to become giddy over the assumption that spring statistics can carry into the regular season.
But the White Sox's team captain has sensed that the offense is in the right frame of mind entering the 2012 season.
"It seems like everyone has a good feel and a good vibe," said Konerko, who sat out Monday's Cactus League finale against Milwaukee. "No one is in the cage now scrambling to find something. Everyone seems OK where they're at. That's something that's a day-in and day-out thing. Once the season starts, you either get the feeling, or keep the feeling you have. But right now, leaving Arizona, it seems like everyone has a good feel."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0403-white-sox-chicago--20120403,0,6048627.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0403-white-sox-chicago--20120403,0,6048627.story)
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GM Williams optimistic about White Sox's chances
Genuinely believes his team can make playoffs
Phil Rogers On Baseball - 6:44 p.m. CDT, April 2, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — The soap opera is over, and one of the leading men wrote his own character out of the script. How long can the other last without him?
We're going to find out.
Say this for Ken Williams. The White Sox general manager truly seems at peace with Ozzie Guillen in Florida, even though Guillen took Mark Buehrle, the team's best pitcher in 50 years, with him.
Water off a duck's back, apparently. Hope really does spring eternal.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0403-rogers-white-sox-williams--20120403,0,3423791.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0403-rogers-white-sox-williams--20120403,0,3423791.column)
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Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
AL Manager: Robin Ventura, #WhiteSox. NL Manager: Don Mattingly, #Dodgers.
Interesting.
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Rule....?
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I'm with Rule, and see the upside. I see this team surprising us this year, probably not making the playoffs, although there will be two teams this year, but it will be a fun summer. I like all the new youth on the team, and I see Dunn making a big comeback.
I a wishful thinker.
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Ventura aims to keep surprises coming
New manager has White Sox prepared to overcome doubters
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 04/03/12 2:00 PM ET
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Over the course of six months, Robin Ventura has moved from quite possibly the biggest surprise hire in White Sox history to the man clearly fostering the new vision for this franchise.
Ventura has his team prepared and confident that it can pull off a surprise within the 2012 American League Central greater than the official announcement made via a team press release on Oct. 6, 2011.
Before embarking on his first regular-season game as manager against the Rangers on April 6, the six-time Gold Glove winner and veteran of 16 big league seasons discussed the start of his tenure in an exclusive conversation with MLB.com.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120330&content_id=27763780&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120330&content_id=27763780&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Rule....?
Shoe ?
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I didn't get it either Shoeless. It's the magic language of Twitter I guess. And who is Jon Morosi?
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I didn't get it either Shoeless. It's the magic language of Twitter I guess. And who is Jon Morosi?
Morosi (a writer for Fox Sports) is predicting that Ventura and Mattingly will be managers of the year.
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Oh, thanks. I though there was something amusing there or something. It's just some guy tweeting some prediction.
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It would be a shock if Ventura were Manager of the year. I dont believe they give that award for .500 teams. (and thats giving the benefit of the doubt to an improved Dunn)
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I think we have a .500 team and Jake Peavy. His record will make or break this team.
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I dont see Peavey as a better than .500 pitcher. The last time Peavey was good was when he was in San Diego. It wouldnt shock me if he has a decent first half that KW moves him at the trading deadline. KW might even get some decent prospects back
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When you read an article by Merkin, keep in mind that he's basically hired by mlb.com to be the Sox PR cheerleader.
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Williams knows Sox must win quickly
GM maintains go-for-it style again will pay dividends but admits club must regain fans to replenish coffers
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 8:01 p.m. CDT, April 4, 2012
The pause before each answer seemed as long as the time since the White Sox last won an American League Central title.
But Ken Williams seems as relaxed as he has at any point during his 12 years as general manager — even after overseeing three consecutive non-playoff seasons during which his big-ticket acquisitions failed to live up to their billing, his contentious relationship with manager Ozzie Guillen resulted in the latter's departure to the Marlins and death threats were levied at his football-playing son Kyle after two mishaps in the NFC championship game.
"I struggle with this," Williams said before one of several pauses during a 21-minute interview. "I just want to move on from a lot of the (stuff) that was going on. So this is hard for me. This is hard.
"All I can do is just continue to say positive things about the past and look forward to the future."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-preview-chicago--20120405,0,4964175.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-preview-chicago--20120405,0,4964175.story)
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Sox rookies eagerly await their baptisms of fire
Even Ventura wonders how he and team will perform
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - April 5, 2012
HOUSTON — Growing pains often temper the excitement of youth, sometimes on the biggest stages.
For the White Sox — from first-year manager Robin Ventura to four rookies on their opening day roster — how quickly those parties can acclimate themselves to baseball's highest level will be crucial.
Ventura, who experienced a 16-year playing career, wonders about his possible moves with his personnel in various situations.
"I'm sure there will be (nerves)," Ventura said. "I had nerves as a player. It's fun to get it started. Once you get it started, we'll see what happens."
The final six exhibitions have given the youngsters as well as the coaching staff a better measuring stick for their potential.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-ventura-white-sox-chicago--20120405,0,948078.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-ventura-white-sox-chicago--20120405,0,948078.story)
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If Sox stumble out of gate …
Rebuilding could come quickly
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - April 5, 2012
Contend or pretend?
Here are nine issues facing the White Sox:
Compete now, or else: The Sox will play the American League champion Rangers and AL Central-winning Tigers in six of their first nine games. General manager Ken Williams wants to change the atmosphere, so it's up to the Sox finally to get off to a successful start and keep a positive vibe with the prospect of full-scale rebuilding if they stagger out of the box.
Play smart: Fundamentals were repeated in spring training workouts even over the slightest hesitations. With a new outfield alignment, the Sox must eliminate the costly mistakes they committed last year. They also must find ways to disrupt the running game of opponents and be more creative on offense with the departure of slugger Carlos Quentin.
Adam's mark: The Sox need a power surge from Adam Dunn with Quentin gone. If A.J. Pierzynski bats second, RBIs from the left side will become more essential from Dunn unless Kosuke Fukudome receives more playing time.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-9-issues-chicago--20120405,0,4176508.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-9-issues-chicago--20120405,0,4176508.story)
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Wouldnt surprise me.
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"I'm sure there will be (nerves)," Ventura said. "I had nerves as a player. It's fun to get it started. Once you get it started, we'll see what happens."
I think we need to start a Robin Ventura Bland Cliche meme. . .because that's the only way to make this interesting, looks like.
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HAHAHHAA- although you realize that will provoke a Fury Hatin' on Nolan Ryan meme post.
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He had nerves, he also had a big freaking noogie mark on his head.
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Bovada sports betting lines on the 2012 Chicago White Sox:
Odds White Sox win the World Series: 65/1
Odds White Sox win the AL Pennant: 35/1
White Sox player over/under prop bets:
O/U Player BAvg. HR RBI total Strikeouts
Paul Konerko na 30½ 95½ na
Adam Dunn .240 27½ 85½ 175½
Alex Rios na 15½ na na
Alexi Ramirez .277 na na na
Gordon Beckham .250 na na na
O/U Pitcher Wins ERA
John Danks 11½
Gavin Floyd 11½
Jake Peavy na 3.90
http://sports.bovada.lv/ (http://sports.bovada.lv/)
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Probably Peavey 14-16
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Hey, we got Kip Wells back.
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It's freaking about time!
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Just brings back bad memories for Metodo
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Todd ritchie..... i need a beer now
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Oh, did someone mention Nolan Ryan? Screw that overrated punk-azz cowboy.
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White Sox roll out Wi-Fi at U.S. Cellular Field
By Wailin Wong Tribune reporter - 2:08 p.m. CDT, April 12, 2012
The White Sox are going Wi-Fi.
Los Angeles-based Boingo Wireless, a provider of large-scale Wi-Fi networks in areas such as airports and malls, said Thursday it will manage and operate a public Wi-Fi system at U.S. Cellular Field. Financial terms of the agreement, which the company said is exclusive, were not disclosed.
Boingo said it will provide complimentary Internet access at the stadium as part of an introductory offer. Higher bandwidth is available for Boingo’s existing subscribers, as well as for customers that pay $1.99 per hour with their iPhone or iPad.
Brooks Boyer, senior vice president of sales and marketing for the White Sox, said the network can “easily expand to accommodate the skyrocketing number of Wi-Fi enabled mobile devices” that fans are carrying at games to use social media, watch video replays and look up real-time statistics on the web.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-white-sox-roll-out-wifi-at-us-cellular-field-20120412,0,5872366.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-white-sox-roll-out-wifi-at-us-cellular-field-20120412,0,5872366.story)
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US Cellular doesn't have it's own Wifi service? Really!!?
You would have thought haveing a park named after a mobil phone service provider that this would have been done 3 years ago, and by their namesake.
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US Cellular doesn't have it's own Wifi service? Really!!?
You would have thought haveing a park named after a mobil phone service provider that this would have been done 3 years ago, and by their namesake.
My first reaction as well.
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I really have no idea how that e got in having. just saying.....
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Source: Ex-Sox pitcher Hickey in coma
By Bruce Levine | ESPNChicago.com | April 13, 2012 1:55PM CT
Former Chicago White Sox pitcher and current batting practice coordinator Kevin Hickey is in Parkland Hospital in Arlington, Texas after being found unresponsive by hotel personnel on April 5 in his room.
Hickey’s vital signs are fine, but he is still in a coma, according to a source familiar with the situation. Hickey is an insulin dependent diabetic.
Hickey, who was a member of the White Sox’s 1983 AL West Division title team, has worked for the club in pre-game drills for the past 10 years.
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/9276/source-ex-sox-pitcher-hickey-in-coma (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/9276/source-ex-sox-pitcher-hickey-in-coma)
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Is that a full-size bat I see them giving away on Bat Day this year? If so, cool for the youngsters. The WSI guys will also want to buy them no doubt.
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Nice slide show of new food items at Cell. Wow, they have banh mi now? Yum. Plus the Burger Barn is intriguing- most ballpark burgers are awful, but these look like they might be good. Might have to take in a game this season.
There are also some pics of the new retail store. Looks pretty spacious and nice.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2012/04/10/u-s-cellular-field-improvements/#photo-279551 (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2012/04/10/u-s-cellular-field-improvements/#photo-279551)
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Sox BP pitcher Hickey transferred to Chicago hospital
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 2:54 p.m. CDT, April 16, 2012
Chicago White Sox batting practice pitcher Kevin Hickey was transported from Dallas to Chicago this past weekend.
Hickey is in the intensive care unit at Rush University Medical Center, where he remains unresponsive while showing minor signs of improvement.
Hickey, 56, who pitched for the Sox from 1981-83 and for Baltimore from 1989-91, has been hospitalized since April 5, when he was found unresponsive in his hotel room after failing to show up for the Sox's workout at Rangers Ballpark at Arlington, Texas.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story)
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In other Sox news, the team and pitcher Kip Wells have mutually parted ways, less than two weeks after Wells agreed to a minor league deal following a workout in Houston. Wells, who pitched for the Sox from 1999-2001, was scheduled to report to extended spring training.
The first game of the Sox's split doubleheader at Cleveland on May 7 will be telecast by WGN-Ch. 9 at noon. That game is a rescheduled game of last Tuesday's rainout. The regularly scheduled game at 6:05 p.m. will be telecast by Comcast SportsNet.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story)
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Hawk has been repeating himself quite a bit this season.
I've seen parts of maybe 5-6 games, and I've heard the "Cecil & Prince have exactly the same number of home runs affter 1000 games" thing three fricking times.
And just now he's doing the "you don;t have to hit a curveball but you have to be able to hit a fastball" schtick for (at least) the second time.
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That has to be way way more interesting then these booooring Orioles announcers.
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I should switch feeds to check out the o's announcers.
Humber is struggling... lots of base runners.
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And just now he's doing the "you don;t have to hit a curveball but you have to be able to hit a fastball" schtick for (at least) the second time.
Hahahahaa- I heard that! Tonight! He also went into a Ted Williams thing, which some might find tiresome, but I don't, because I love any Ted Williams anecdotes, especially because DiMaggio was a douche, and Ted Williams was the greatest hitter ev-ah and got short changed.
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Sale and Humber = lots 'o pitches. Coop needs to fix that magically, or there will be patchwork relief and bullpen depletion and losing.
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at least sale isn't giving up as many base runners.
AJ is missing a lot of the balls in the dirt this year...
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AJ looking like he is going to have a big year with the bat.
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Heh:
The White Sox were off to a 7-4 start last season before suffering a very similar loss to Oakland. The A’s got three runs in the ninth off Chris Sale, Crain and Thornton, then three more off Thornton in the 10th. A fairly routine win had turned into a tough loss. That wouldn’t have been such a big thing but the White Sox went on to lose the next six games, falling to 7-11.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-your-morning-phil-timmy-starlin-robin-20120417,0,5811725.story
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Yeah, that was sucky.
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Interesting to note that while the White Sox have started out as a .500 team (6-6), all of their 12 games have been against opponents with an above .500 won/loss record.
Those 4 teams include ALL three division leaders plus a second place team.
Those 4 teams have a combined record of 34-16, a .680 winning percentage.
Take out their 12 games against the White Sox, these 4 teams have played at a combined won/loss record of 28-10, an unbelievable .737 winning percentage.
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Sox's first 12 games a mixed bag
By Scott Powers - ESPNChicago.com - April 19th 7:41PM
CHICAGO – The Chicago White have experienced some good and some bad this season as one would expect from a team which stands at .500 after 12 games.
Here’s a look at what’s gone right and what’s gone wrong for the White Sox so far in 2012:
The good: Jake Peavy looks like the Jake Peavy of old through three starts. He’s 2-0 with a 2.75 ERA and has allowed 14 hits, six runs, two walks and struck out 21 in 19 2/3 innings.
The bad: April and May have often been Gavin Floyd’s worst months, and that appears to be the case again this season. With Thursday’s 5-3 loss to the Baltimore Orioles, Floyd’s record fell to 1-2 with a 4.82 ERA for the season.
The good: The White Sox’s starting pitchers have been consistently solid this season. Only once in 12 games has a starter allowed more than four earned runs. The starters have combined to allow 30 runs in 73 innings.
The bad: Hector Santiago still hasn’t proven he can be an effective closer. Santiago has three saves and one blown save in four opportunities. He allowed runs in two of those appearances and has allowed a total of three runs in four innings. His ERA is 6.75.
The good: The White Sox’s pitchers strike out opposing hitters a lot. The White Sox are tied for fourth in the majors with 103 strikeouts.
read more: http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/ (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/)
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This is all kinds of awesome. I want to be the Luis Aparicio statue.
http://www.suntimes.com/12134163-417/luis-little-louie-aparicio-still-getting-to-second-base-at-sox-park.html (http://www.suntimes.com/12134163-417/luis-little-louie-aparicio-still-getting-to-second-base-at-sox-park.html)
Oh, and I fully expect aka Loveland and SoxRule to post their pics with Luis here.
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That is indeed all kinds of awesome. Great headline, too.
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That is fantastic.
I wonder if I stood next to him on the concourse like that it'd work for me....
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It only works if you're a famous shortstop.
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I'm a bad-hop grounder man myself..
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Crain on DL; Axelrod called up:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-put-crain-on-15day-dl-20120427,0,1427598.story
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My, what a tremendous thing the White Sox have done. They've hired this tremendous hitting coach, Manto, who has elevated our hitters on this club. We now have Beckham and Morel and Dunn being .300 hitters. And that just goes to show you how bad Greg Walker was and the real value of a hitting coach. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I wish someone on the Sox would explain why Beckham is not down in the minors.
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Thank goodness I can't read that as I've already reached my 30 day limit. Of course the Suntimes system is so uber-sophisticated that I can get to it from my phone or work, but I shan't.
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aka Loveland, just use Private Browsing and it gets around the Sun Times quota thing. There's nothing offensive about the article anyway, it's just a bit of fun at the ol' ballpark.
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Good idea, Jheter. I used to just clear out me cookies to get around the suntimes thing.
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So if the powers that be think Beckham belongs in the show, I can't imagine the guys they think are good prospects down in the minors.
Buddy Bell = Bob Bell?
Cartoon Town vs. Kenny's Ghost Town, one was good funny, the other is becoming bad funny.
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Leave it to Trigger to make two Chicago kids' shows references in the span of 30 words or less.
I disagree on BJ and Dirty Dragon however- kinda thought that sucked.
If you are not old and from Chicago, you have no idea what I'm talking about in this post. So phuck off.
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Thanks for the ST tip.
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It's also great if you don't want your spouse or SO to see the pr0n sites you've been to. Just something to keep in mind.
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Jake Peavy wins AL Pitcher of the Month. So in the first month of baseball the White Sox have won 2 players of the week and a pitcher of the month honors. Not bad.
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Hmmm... 10 games against Cleveland in the month of May. Then we don't play them again until the end of September. Weird
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It's also great if you don't want your spouse or SO to see the pr0n sites you've been to. Just something to keep in mind.
Plwasw explain to me again how to do that. ;)
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Everyone's Pal Phil Rogers smells a second-base shake up:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0504-rogers-white-sox-chicago--20120504,0,502246.column
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Luv, the pic!
Harry and Jimmy, best pair of all time.
One drunk, one crazy.
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this doesn't sound good -
from Scott Merkin's twitter feed:
Dylan Axlelrod to start on Sunday replacing Chris Sale. Sale has 'tenderness' in the elbow. Unable to pitch until Monday but when he returns, he'll be the new closer. Santiago will move to middle relief.
https://twitter.com/#!/@scottmerkin/ (https://twitter.com/#!/@scottmerkin/)
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White Sox move Sale from rotation to closer
By Spencer Fordin / MLB.com | 05/04/12 5:47 PM ET
The White Sox have re-evaluated Chris Sale's current role with an eye toward his long-term success. Chicago announced Friday that Sale will be moved out of the rotation and into the closer's role in an effort to lessen his strain and make sure that his left pitching elbow stays healthy.
Sale, the 13th overall selection in the 2010 First-Year Player Draft, was used exclusively out of the bullpen in his first two seasons with the White Sox before moving into the rotation this year. The 23-year-old went 3-1 with a 2.81 ERA in his first five starts, striking out 29 batters in 32 innings.
Now, though, Sale will work as Chicago's closer. The White Sox have decided that Dylan Axelrod will get the first chance to take Sale's vacant rotation slot, which comes up again on Sunday. Hector Santiago, who had been working as the closer, will now pitch in middle relief for Chicago.
The White Sox have been aggressive with Sale, and he pitched in just 11 Minor League games before making his big-league debut during the 2010 campaign. Sale is 7-4 with a 2.64 ERA and 140 strikeouts in 126 1/3 innings in the big leagues and won't turn 24 until Spring Training of next season.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120504&content_id=30377726&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120504&content_id=30377726&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
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Interesting timing on that Roger's piece. ;)
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Transaction: White Sox send P Dylan Axelrod down to the minors and purchase the contract of P Eric Stultz who will start game #2 of today's doubleheader..
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White Sox call up Quintana as 26th man
By Zach Meisel / MLB.com | 05/07/12 12:45 PM ET
CLEVELAND -- A new rule in Major League Baseball's Collective Bargaining Agreement permits clubs to carry 26 players on their roster for the day of a doubleheader. The White Sox took advantage of the new rule on Monday, calling up left-hander José Quintana from Double-A Birmingham.
Manager Robin Ventura said Quintana was to return to Birmingham following the twin bill against the Indians.
"We need an extra body," Ventura said. "We're sitting here going back and forth between whether we need an extra pitcher. You go by what they're seeing in the Minor Leagues. We're playing Cleveland, so we know they're going to load up on a lot of lefties."
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120507&content_id=30638458¬ebook_id=30639940&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120507&content_id=30638458¬ebook_id=30639940&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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Waited a few days to post on this...
But the Chris sale to Closer thing is no bueno... Obviously he has some strain in his elbow and they are concerned with his work load... They should have just left him in the BP.
I do hope Molina is readier then we saw in ST. cause he might be up here pretty quickly.
Sale was supposed to be MB's replacement in the rotation... with him out of there our rotation for next year and beyond is basically John Danks and 4?s.
Peavy is a FA after this year. Floyd after next. Humber is a serviceable 4/5 starter but not much more then that.
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Danks is a "?" and Humber blows.
IMBL, at least.
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Humber is nothing more than a bridge, IMO. Or a 5th starter.
He's NOT a top-4 guy.... not according to my baseball logic, anyways.
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Danks is a "?" and Humber blows.
IMBL, at least.
Humber has 'Buehrle Syndrome'. Throw a perfect game or no-hitter and then suck in your next five starts.
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Well, what was a team strength (starting pitching) is now looking like a big mess. Danks has not performed well at all so far, Humber has post-perfect game syndrome and now with Sale going to the pen we're a starter short. If Sale can stay healthy we'll have a dynamite 1-2 bullpen punch with Reed and Sale but the rotation needs to get addressed somehow.
We were getting by with a stagnant offense when we had superb starting pitching but without that this team is going downhill quickly. Things are not looking good.
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I was being a bit kind to humber... but in our current state humber is a #4.
Danks has sadly become a ?. I wonder if his velocity is down this year? or if hes just struggling with the big contract expectations?
Sale was imho one of the brighter spots of this season so far... the news that his arm might not handle starting duties is a big blow.
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Well, what was a team strength (starting pitching) is now looking like a big mess. Danks has not performed well at all so far, Humber has post-perfect game syndrome and now with Sale going to the pen we're a starter short. If Sale can stay healthy we'll have a dynamite 1-2 bullpen punch with Reed and Sale but the rotation needs to get addressed somehow.
We were getting by with a stagnant offense when we had superb starting pitching but without that this team is going downhill quickly. Things are not looking good.
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I am not shocked if they sit Sale for awhile. His delivery had me head scratching when I first saw him. He looked like a candidate for arm/elbow/shoulder surgery. I always wondered how long he'd last till he was injured
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I am not shocked if they sit Sale for awhile. His delivery had me head scratching when I first saw him. He looked like a candidate for arm/elbow/shoulder surgery. I always wondered how long he'd last till he was injured
Same here. He's kind of got that classic high-risk delivery.
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The way Robin and Coop have handled the closer situation throughout, and the Sale move, makes me miss Ozzie's honesty.
This is the season's turning point, time to make some serious moves and stop defending some endless underperformers this year.
Robin, Coop and Kenny should be on short notices.
Robin is showing no leadership.
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The motto of the 2012 White Sox should be something like:
"We won't win the game, but we're going to string you along until the final out."
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"Appreciate the First 8/9 of the Game"
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"Appreciate the Shiitty Hitting"
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"2012 White Sox -- Hey, at least there's always good seats available."
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"Appreciate the Shiitty Hitting"
Now now, it cant be shiity hitting, we got rid of the culprit Greg Walker. And Manto is a great coach who is making .300 hitters out of our weak hitters. ;D ;D ;D
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The hitting's not ALL shiitty.
Konerko, Dunn, and A.J. have been good.
In fact, don't look now, but Dunn is posting some very nice numbers in homers, RBI, and OPS so far.
I'm hoping that Alexei is just have his usual slow start.
Beckham and Morel need to GO. Morel especially does not look like a major league player out there.
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Konerko, Dunn, and A.J. have been good.
Don't forget Rios. He's having a great year so far and has single handedly won 2 games for us. It's Beckham and Morel that's killing this lineup. Morel especially needs to be gone. However, in a year where we're not supposed to be competing for anything, do you just leave him in there to go through some growing pains?
I remember in '05 I was so disgusted with Joe Crede and was so hoping he would be traded at the deadline that year. Then all of a sudden he just turned it on and was all-star caliber the rest of the year and through the playoffs.
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Uh oh...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-sale-to-undergo-mri-on-left-arm-20120509,0,7661412.story
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Yet, there was this from last night after the game. What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here?
Sale said his arm feels great and that the subject of starting again is on the burner.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/12406447-419/white-sox-beat-indians-in-10-chris-sale-wants-to-start.html
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He's hurt... he looked off in his inning last nite as well.
Cant say we didnt see this coming.
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Just get the fricking TJ surgery done, see ya next year, tho not same self until 2nd year. Pretty simple operation nowadays, just need two full years.
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Cold corner: Third baseman Brent Morel was scratched from the lineup because of lower back soreness. Escobar started in his place.
Morel is 0-for-10 and is batting only .172 overall, but the Sox have few long-term options because Escobar has played shortstop for most of his career.
Triple-A Charlotte third baseman Dallas McPherson will be sidelined for about two more weeks because of an abdomen injury and Conor Jackson will be lost for a month because of a left hand fracture.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0510-white-sox-indians-chicago--20120510,0,3681027.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0510-white-sox-indians-chicago--20120510,0,3681027.story)
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There must be someone at Bristol who can hit as well, heh
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[Last] Friday, the Sox announced Sale was out of the rotation because of lingering soreness in his pitching elbow. Privately, his fellow pitchers weren’t surprised because Sale still was searching for a changeup as a third pitch, so he was relying on a heavy dose of sliders.
According to Fangraphs, 30 percent of Sale’s pitches were sliders. That’s fine for one inning out of the bullpen, but over six-plus innings? Good luck.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/12428996-452/chris-sale-saga-raises-questions-about-sox.html
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Back to White Sox rotation for Chris Sale
MRI on Chris Sale’s elbow is clean, he will return to White Sox rotation
CHICAGO (AP) - Chris Sale made his pitch. Did he ever. The Chicago White Sox's young lefty convinced general manager Ken Williams that the discomfort he felt in his elbow was normal soreness and not pain from a major injury.
An MRI came out clean to back up his claim and on Friday the White Sox decided to put him back in the starting rotation, a week after he was sent to the bullpen as a precautionary measure. He's scheduled to start Saturday against Kansas City.
"At the end of the day, we're all on the same side. They've had my best interest in mind since the day I got here. They'd rather be too cautious than not cautious enough. I got no complaints, because at the end of the day, they truly are looking out for my best interests,'' Sale said Friday after a meeting that included Williams, manager Robin Ventura and members of the medical and coaching staff.
"It was just something that might have been maybe a little early, as far as making a move before getting an MRI, making sure 100 percent that I wasn't able to do it,'' Sale added. "At the end of the day, it all came through and worked out well.''
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/wires/05/11/2010.ap.bba.white.sox.sale.1st.ld.writethru.0636/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/wires/05/11/2010.ap.bba.white.sox.sale.1st.ld.writethru.0636/)
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I am guessing he will not last long this year. I am going to just take a guess and say over 1/2 of the pitchers who get TJ surgery are told it is just fine after the first series of MRIs. Sure seems that way.
Why would his agent be so pissed we are looking out for him? The kid could make quicker big money as a closer than a 12 game winner out of the rotation. Never understood why guys resist it so much.
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I see a repeat of the whole Strasberg thing for Sale. Hate to say it, and hope it doesn't happen, but...
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I am just glad its an elbow and not a shoulder
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If anyone was wondering about the black diamond patch with the initials "BMS" that the CWS are wearing on their right shoulder, they're there to honor the late Bill 'Moose' Skowron.
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There is also a black diamond with the word “Moose” is on the padding next to the White Sox on-deck circle:
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Well happy Monday my White Sox Forum buddies, and isn't it a beautiful Monday? Why, you couldn't have gotten better weather if you had ordered it! And speaking of weather, just a quick reminder, tomorrow is White Sox Weather Day at beautiful CellularOne Stadium on the south side!
This is a super-educational field trip that leaves the confines of the classroom behind for a real-world lesson! It's an interactive and fun program about severe weather specific to our region! Weather Day will be highlighted by weather experiments, trivia, video and sound effects. Fun for all ages! Make your plans to attend now!!
Also it features an on-field presentation by WGN Chief Meteorologist Tom Skilling. Wait, wait, what? Oh yeah, I'm not even invited to this phucking thing. Yeah, Tom Skilling, that backstabbing, chipmunk-cheeked asscastle who stole what was rightfully mine when Volkman left. Well guess what phuckstick, paybacks are a bytch. . .just ask your brother Prison Bytch Jeffy, who if I'm not mistaken, has a new neighbor in Blago. God- DAMN - it!! Weather Day blows goats.
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Ah luv Treamstra posts
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To make room for Crane, they DFA's Stults. I'd probably would have sent Private Santaigo down to Charlotte instead... he sucks.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-reinstate-reliever-crain-from-dl-20120515,0,2359939.story
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If only the Sox had a farm club in Guantanamo...
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Santiago not that bad. He has been solid since replaced as closer. Dude throws real hard for a LH, reminds me of a young Johann Santana (remember, he relieved for a couple years at the start too)
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If he could replicate Santana's circle change we'd be in good shape :)
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Ah luv the headline on this:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-ventura-nl-strategy-is-obvious-20120515,0,7305357.story
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A really good obituary of Kevin Hickey in the Sun-Times:
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Kevin Hickey, a long shot who fulfilled a neighborhood dream, dies at 56
BY MARK KONKOL | mkonkol@suntimes.com Updated May 16, 2012 10:06PM
Kevin Hickey never quit.
Not in a bar fight. Not on a ball diamond. Never.
He epitomized South Side toughness. He took no guff.
He wasn’t afraid of anything. Especially not big league hitters.
How do I know? Hickey told me.
Repeatedly, in fact, over the last few months in a series of interviews that would be his last. The folks who know the former major league lefty best — his family, his teammates, big league coaches, Jerry Reinsdorf and Roland Hemond, a guy who gave Hickey more chances at realizing his major league baseball dreams than anyone else — backed up every word of it.
Maybe you’ve heard about Hickey. He’s the street tough from Brighton Park, the stud at 16-inch softball who got laid off at Ryerson Steel and got signed by the White Sox, his favorite team, after throwing just few dozen fastballs at a open tryout at Old Comiskey Park.
And after a long, arduous journey — shoulder injuries, five years in the minors, a big league resurrection with the Orioles, more injuries, retirement, a movie role alongside Charlie Sheen, divorce, poverty, diabetes and eight long years selling used cars — Hickey made it back to the White Sox bench as a batting practice pitcher who was beloved by players.
He died Wednesday from complications of an April 5 seizure that left him in a coma. He was 56.
read more: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/12569512-419/kevin-hickey-a-long-shot-who-fulfilled-a-neighborhood-dream-dies-at-56.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/12569512-419/kevin-hickey-a-long-shot-who-fulfilled-a-neighborhood-dream-dies-at-56.html)
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Hickeys never really last that long, they tend to fade pretty quickly.
Too soon?
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Great read, thanks Andy.
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Now this would be too good. Oh please let it happen. Pretty please with sugar and honey on it.
"If the White Sox were able to make it into the playoffs, it wouldn’t shock me to see Williams step aside at the end of the season. His predecessor Ron Schueler, did that after a 95-win season in 2000. Williams could be a good fit for a broadcasting career -- a la John Hart and Jim Bowden -- and the MLB Network is headquartered in Secaucus, N.J., not far from New York City, where Williams now spends a lot of time after ending his Chicago-Phoenix timeshare."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-williams-johnson-youkilis-20120521,0,916724.story
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I've always dreamed of retiring in Seacaucus.
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Actually, I dream of retiring in Wildwood or Cape May.
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This is week-old news, but the first I am hearing of it:
According to a Sox source, Morel was having issues since the spring with keeping weight on and was feeling lethargic at times, raising a red flag about what was initially thought to be Crohn’s disease. After that was ruled out, there was concern he might have to undergo surgery on his intestine. Celiac disease was thrown around.
Morel didn’t want to go into too many details about his issue but said that as of Tuesday, the plan involves a change of diet.
‘‘It’s not celiac disease, but it’s just a sensitivity to wheat,’’ he said. ‘‘I have to eat gluten-free, but actually I finally have been able to keep [some weight] on. I went into spring training at 220, and I’m back up to 215 right now. For right now, I just have to have a gluten-free diet, and so far it seems to be OK as we go forward.’’
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/12710854-452/white-sox-3b-brent-morel-hopes-to-escape-fate-of-joe-crede.html
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Well thats good news. We need a healthy Morel
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We're better off with O'Dog than with no hit Morel
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The question is simple: Who is really in charge?
“Robin,’’ reliever Matt Thornton said without giving a second thought.
“Robin, no doubt,’’ starting pitcher John Danks insisted. “In here, Robin.’’
And don’t think he wasn’t concerned about that perception when he met with Williams and chairman Jerry Reinsdorf when they visited California and offered him the job.
“Oh yeah, I was concerned about that,’’ Ventura admitted. “I think that was a question that was asked because it was so, for lack of a better expression, outside the box. I asked Kenny that. In going over everything that’s there, I wanted to make sure if I’m going to do it, I’m going to do it. I don’t want to do it if someone else is making all the decisions.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/12829490-452/sox-players-embrace-robin-ventura-as-rookie-skipper-asserts-control.html
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Get rid of Cooper, then Robin will really be in charge.
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As for Morel, I think Charlotte needs him, not the Sox. Not major league material.
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The only advantage Morel gives us over Hudson is his arm.
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Could not one of them think to say "Charles"?
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Get rid of Cooper, then Robin will really be in charge.
You've made this insinuation more than once. Why do you think Cooper is the one "really in charge?" It doesn't seem that way from any accounts from the players.
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Yeah, I don't see the logic in getting rid of Cooper, he's got to be one of the best pitching coaches in all of baseball.
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hes KWs rat.
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hes KWs rat.
How so? Who did he rat on?
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Could not one of them think to say "Charles"?
Hey - Oh!
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Coop is KW's spy in the clubhouse. He's KW's man. He has a longer contract than Robin. I think even in that article Robin admitted that Cooper has more influence than most other teams' pitching coaches.
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Yeah, I don't see the logic in getting rid of Cooper, he's got to be one of the best pitching coaches in all of baseball.
Pffft. There are others out there.
I suppose I'd be higher on him if he wasn't KW's stooge.
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I think Coop is a pretty dang good pitching coach.
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Jake Peavy named the American League Pitcher of the Month (April 2012).
Chris Sale named the American League Pitcher of the Month (May 2012).
So which one of our starters will it be for June?
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It won't be Floyd, I'd guess.
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Wont be Danks or Humber either
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Reed is going to have the first 20 save month in MLB history...
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If he does thats a lot of W's. That would be super
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Fuku to the DL, Jordan Danks called up.
One Danks goes to the minors, another comes up.
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Interesting move
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Jordan Danks gets a familiar number -- #20
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Blasphemy. 20 should be retired in honor of Q's stellar record.
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The Mighty Quinn.
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Blasphemy. 20 should be retired in honor of Q's Ron Karkovice's stellar record.
Fixed.
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F you guys
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The best player to wear #20 as a member of the White Sox might be Joe Horlen.
List of White Sox players who wore #20:
Joe Vance 1935
Clint Brown 1936
Bill Dietrich 1936
John Rigney 1937
Pete Appleton 1941
Jimmy Grant 1942
Sam Dente 1953
Sandy Consuegra 1953 – 56
Bill Fischer 1957 – 58
Jonny Romano 1958 – 59
Dick Brown 1960
Jake Striker 1960
Joe Horlen 1961 – 71
Deacon Jones 1962
Hugh Yancy 1970, 74
Johnny Jeter 1973
Nyls Nyman 1974 – 77
Bill Nahorodny 1977
Wayne Nordhagen 1978 – 81
Aurelio Rodriguez 1982
Jerry Dybzinski 1983 – 84
Joe DeSa 1985
Reid Nichols 1985 – 86
Bill Lindsey 1987
Mike Diaz 1988
Mike Woodard 1988
Ron Karkovice 1989 - 97
Jon Garland 2003 – 07
Carlos Quentin 2008 - 11
Jordan Danks 2012-
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This article is 10 year old. Has MLB.com really been around for over 10 years?
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Where have you gone, Joel Horlen?
By Jimmy Greenfield / MLB.com / 03/27/2002 8:23 PM ET
This is the second -- wait, check that -- the third retirement for Joel Horlen, and he's just about got it right this time.
Until the phone rings.
On the other end of the call is San Diego Padres pitching prospect Jason Middlebrook, one of his former pupils who is spending his off-season in Austin, Texas, only a few hours drive from Horlen's San Antonio home.
Middlebrook made his Major League debut last season and explains his need for a few pitching tips to help him get through the winter. With that, the 64-year-old Horlen gets in his pickup truck and is off.
"Somebody wants some help, I'll try to help them," Horlen says.
Horlen, a crafty right-hander who never struck out more than 125 batters in a season, found a second career in baseball after his playing days ended, just as many former players do. But in Horlen's case his coaching career didn't begin until 15 years after he threw his last pitch.
Having signed with the White Sox hours after helping Oklahoma State win the 1959 College World Series, Horlen won 113 games in 11 seasons and remained in the organization until 1972, when he was released during Spring Training. He was picked up by Oakland and helped the A's to their first of three straight World Series titles.
In Horlen's era, the Sox were notable for their ability to have an outstanding season and fall just short of a pennant. The Sox won at least 94 games from 1963-65 without getting to the World Series and then finished three games behind Boston in 1967 after a memorable American League pennant race.
Horlen was ecstatic to get his ring after so many close calls with the Sox. But even though he was only 35 and had gone 3-4 with a 3.00 ERA as a spot starter and reliever with the A's, Horlen ended his playing days after the 1972 season.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/cws/y2002/m03/d27/c1435.jsp (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/cws/y2002/m03/d27/c1435.jsp)
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Bill Nahorodny 1977
Wayne Nordhagen 1978 – 81
Two great "Harry Carey" names, there
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There is a restaurant here - Nordy's BBQ - JohnJeter might like it. It is not a chain and everyone says it's wonderful. Loveland doesn't like BBQ and usually succeeds in staying out of the place. Anyhow, they have a Nordhagen jersey hanging promenantly in the bar.
Pete Ward - it is located by 125 and Crossroads, by the Budweiser Events Center, and they have a place in Old Town -- Just in case you want to go look at the jersey. (Of course I can't say if they have a Wayne Nordhagen jersey in the Old Town location.)
http://www.nordysbbq.com/
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Andy, its Joel Horlen. Damnit. heh, pet peave of mine. Was looking at some family tree crap my sisters are working got from some of our cousins. Lists me as Joseph. Cripes. Of course, these are the cousins who called us the Easterners cause we lived East of the Mississippi, only family that did. So of course it was too far to travel to visit us.
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Don't get bent out of shape, Joey.
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heh, my sisters still insist on calling me that!!
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Andy, its Joel Horlen. Damnit. heh, pet peave of mine. Was looking at some family tree crap my sisters are working got from some of our cousins. Lists me as Joseph. Cripes. Of course, these are the cousins who called us the Easterners cause we lived East of the Mississippi, only family that did. So of course it was too far to travel to visit us.
His legal first name is Joel but Horlen also went by Joe. Just like people named Steven use Steve or Kenneth use Ken or David use Dave or Joseph use Joe, or Jacob use Jake, etc. Does it bother you that DiMaggio, Namath, Frazier, Torre and Crede are called 'Joe' instead of their legal first name of Joseph?
I have a ball that Horlen autographed in front of me back in 1965 that he signed "Joe Horlen". If Horlen has no problem signing his name as Joe, why shouldn't I call him 'Joe' too?
More than half of his baseball cards were labeled 'Joe Horlen' and not 'Joel Horlen'.
see some examples of "Joe" Horlen:
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/68/68-125Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/68/68-377Fr.jpg)
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/57796/57796-8bFr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/57796/57796-1aFr.jpg)
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/69/69-328Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/9109/9109-12Fr.jpg)
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/70/70-35Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/9956/9956-1Fr.jpg)
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/71/71-345Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/72/72-685Fr.jpg)
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/10106/10106-120Fr.jpg)
BTW, did it bother you when people referred to Griffey as "Ken" when his legal name is actually George Kenneth Griffey Jr. or the 'One Dog" - Kenneth Johnson was called "Lance" and Beckham is called 'Gordon' when his legal first name is James. :)
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I was just giving you crap. I go by Joel and Joe as well. Professionally I was Joel, to my close friends and family I am Joe and Joey.
4n picked up on it, I was not serious, but I do see it as Joel Horlen more often.
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Sometimes Andy is no fun.
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Damn... Andy with the beat-down!
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That was a beatdown for sure
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It's "Joel" if you're not into the whole brevity thing.
Yeah, can really see why he'd want to shorten it.
Conclusion: Horlen was a colossal deuche who had identity issues and liked confusing the phuck out of people.
Little-known fact: he was also a cross-dresser who went by "Josephine".
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Jhon's pulling your leg, of course. He went by Jo-elle.
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heh, my daughter gave her daughter the middle name Joelle. Talk about pissing off my ex, exactly why she picked it I think.
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I was just giving you crap. I go by Joel and Joe as well. Professionally I was Joel, to my close friends and family I am Joe and Joey.
4n picked up on it, I was not serious, but I do see it as Joel Horlen more often.
MSF, I knew you weren't serious. My post was meant to be light-hearted and sarcastic and not a 'beat down'. Guess I'll use 'purple font' the next time so you'll know it's sarcasm
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NP, I did not take it as a beatdown, not like these animals on the board suggest, heh. Its all fun.
Jhon, I did hear that Horlen was not the nicest guy in the world, wish I knew where I heard that.
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You probably heard it from Thome. That miserable bastage never has a kind word about anyone...
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yeah, probably was that rat bastard
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As shiitty as the White Sox' home record is, it happens to be the second-best home record in the AL Central, 1.0 games behind the Injuns (if'n my math is correct).
Ah luv being in a shiitty division.
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Schoolgirl, will look for that place next time I am up north.
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Schoolgirl, will look for that place next time I am up north.
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Who is that, Jeter?
I would have thought you'd use Alan Thicke for that.
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Chris henson...
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Hansen- Henson is muppets.
I'm still trying to figure out what the "Schoolgirl" reference is.
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I believe that's a reference to Loveland's OLLLLLD user name of "Schoolgirl Loveland"
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I'm still trying to figure out what the "Schoolgirl" reference is.
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Don't get the Alan Thicke reference.
Fury, let's just say you don't want Chris Hansen showing up on of your "dates". You know, the ones you bring Mike's Hard Lemonade and a box of Twizzlers to.
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Don't get the Alan Thicke reference.
Fury, let's just say you don't want Chris Hansen showing on of your "dates". You know, the ones you bring Mike's Hard Lemonade and a box of Twizzlers to.
Hmmmm... what exactly does "showing on of your 'dates'" mean?
This post is made more hilarious due to NJ's propensity to notice ever one of our Fu0k-ups.
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OK, upon a little research, I see that Hansen has a TV show where he catches older guys who use the Internet to try and pick up young girls. All is clear to me now.
The Alan Thicke reference was to "schoolgirl" and Thicke's many noted relationships with younger women, particularly Kristy Swanson.
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Fixt.
Also, I did not know that about Thicke! Funny thing about Hansen, I believe he got caught cheating on his wife via hidden camera! That's rich.
I'm no spelling/grammar Nazi. . .unless there's incidental humor in it.
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I'm no spelling/grammar Nazi.
Ahh, but I am.
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Re: Schoolgirl Looveland, Joseph C. is right - It is an oooold moniker. One day I believe Irv told us to stop acting like schoolgirls. I pounced, but while the joke lasted a couple of months in the Trib forums it lives forever with PeteWard.
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"Schoolgirl" is kind of creepy. It has its own pr0n category, especially with the Japanese. At least that's what BlackSox told me.
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You heard about it from Black Sox, I heard it from Alan Thicke.
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"Schoolgirl" is kind of creepy. It has its own pr0n category, especially with the Japanese. At least that's what BlackSox told me.
I don't know about first hand; just heard about it. I don't always watch pr0n, but when I do, I go to over 50 . com.
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http://rotoworld.com/player/mlb/1323/john-danks
Danks has a sub-scapula tear in his shoulder.
Can anyone tell us what that means?
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It's basically a rotator cuff injury. The subscapularis is the largest muscle of the rotator cuff, responsible for internally rotating your upper arm. It comes off the back of your rib cage and raps around the front of the head of your upper arm. Don't know if a "grade 1 tear" refers to an injury to the muscle itself or the tendon as it raps around the humerus.
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Trib sez "no surgery, out 3-6 weeks".
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0619-brite-white-sox-chicago--20120619,0,4583644.story
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You know this had to happen after he got his new deal.
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I don't know about first hand; just heard about it. I don't always watch pr0n, but when I do, I go to over 50 . com.
I don't always fictionally attribute knowledge of pr0n to other people, but when I do, it's to BlackSox.
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Looking at the Sox' schedule, there are going to be some tough games coming up beginning next week and through July. As we near the trading deadline we should have a good feel for where this team is. If the pitching doesn't stabilize somewhat, we can be out of this thing pretty quickly.
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@SoxRule, Tigers have won their last four series. 'twill be interesting to see how "mediocre" they are going forward. And yeesh, KC is no slouch. Take a look at their W-L since April and I think they might have the best record in the AL Central.
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Fuku DFA'd.
Humber on DL. Bruney called up. Axlerod to rotation (ugh).
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http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8086521/sources-potential-deal-boston-red-sox-3b-kevin-youkilis-nearing
Wsox considered to be in the lead in trading for youk.
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But we already have a plethora of light hitting 3Bmen. Do we need one more?
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Hawk saying that Youkilis has been traded - pulled from the Boston game in the 7th inning, and was seen giving hugs to all of his teammates.
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Word is it might be Zach Stewary for Yo-Kill-Us.
I'd be cool with that, as Zach Stewart is worthless.
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Same here. Stewart for Youkilis?
Any word from Mom's Basement?
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.... as is Orlando Hudson
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let me check...
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...found this there:
JIM BOWDEN@JimBowdenESPNxm
Kevin Youkilis has been traded to the White Sox for a Pitcher and Utility player...this has been confirmed by both sides...names to follow
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Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.com and ESPN's Jim Bowden are both reporting (via Twitter) the White Sox have acquired Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox. Dave Van Dyck of the Chicago Tribune tweets the official announcement is expected after the White Sox complete their game with the Brewers.
Bowden, via Twitter, says the Red Sox will recevie a utility player and a pitcher.
Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweets the Red Sox, as of yesterday, were willing to eat about $5MM of the remaining $8MM on Youkilis' contract.
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I hope it's not Lil'Beast....
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A quick check of Boston's 40-man roster shows that it is at the limit.
So I'd guess its someone not on our 40-man.
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Unless there was a lil' DFA action going on....
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Jon Heyman@JonHeymanCBS
Heard stewart and lillibridge go to red sox in youk deal
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Makes sense as to why Escobar is hitting right now instead of Lil'Beast.
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Yep. And I didn't see #18 on the field during the walk-off celebration.
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Goofs. Lili was already used as a pinch runner in the 8th, or was it the 9th....
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Lilli pinch ran for Konerko, stayed in lineup as DH, was due up, but trade had occurred, so Escobar basically pinch hit for Lilli.
I did not want Youkalis, but I like the trade as we gave up a shitty pitcher and a utility man we never let hit. Viciedo plays good enough D to stay in the game now. Danks can sub any of the spots if needed.
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Low risk move considering what we gave up...
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Oh yay! I'm the goof - perfect.
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I like this trade. $2.5M and spare parts (though I did like Lil'Beast) for Youkilis.
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I like this trade. $2.5M and spare parts (though I did like Lil'Beast) for Youkilis.
I liked 2011 Lillibridge.
2012 Lillibridge won't be missed.
He sucked.
Year BAvg. SLG % OBP OPS OPS+ K BB
2012 .175 .190 .232 .422 16 26 4
2011 .258 .505 .340 .845 123 62 17
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The way I see it we gave up nothing for nothing. And nothing from nothing is nothing. Yuck sucks.
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From Hudson to Youkilis, then Youkilis gets hurt. . .again, then it's back to Hudson. Will it go 'round in circles?
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Will Youk hit the ball so high like a bird up in the sky?
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Any comparison between 2011 and 2012 Lillibridge is unfair. The guy hasn't been given a chance to do much of anything other than pinch-run and defensive sub. He's officially my new Ross Gload -- the guy that should have been a nice .290 hitter if the Sox had given him a legitimate shot at a starting job. It's a sort of Joe Schlobotnik fixation that I have.
That said, I like the deal, for what it might bring for the Sox. Slot Youkilis somewhere among Viciedo/Ramirez/AJ, and the lineup looks much more formidable. Just removing Hudson from the lineup is an improvement at this point.
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Ross Gload... i remember demanding PK be the DH so we can have him be a regular...
Paul Konerko... ruining dreams since 1999... FYI hes a card carrying member of the Jim Thome Fan club.
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I think I was absent from these boards for awhile when you guys all developed this hard-on for Thome. Mystifying.
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Oh yeah, and I love this trade. If Youk gets back on track with us, it's a great deal. Boston is eating a lot of his contract.
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Boston is eating a lot of his contract.
That goes well with thawed out lobster, or so I have been told.
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It's kind of nice hearing reports of how it was the White Sox who got a steal of deal with this trade. Lots of good buzz going around for us, finally.
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We really can't lose. Escobar can replace Lillibridge's role and, quite frankly, improve upon it this year.
Youkilis can't be any worse than what we've been trotting out there and is most likely to be a far sight better.
Hudson can be traded, released or relegated to waterboy. Whatever helps the most.
Still think we need to trade for a starter, you'd have to be overly optimistic to expect Peavy/Sale/Quintana to continue.
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I concur with 4.
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Sale... will be shut down in august... if my math is correct he should hit his innings limit mid august.
Unless KW decides screw the kids arm lets just pitch him till it falls off..
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Any comparison between 2011 and 2012 Lillibridge is unfair. The guy hasn't been given a chance to do much of anything other than pinch-run and defensive sub. He's officially my new Ross Gload -- the guy that should have been a nice .290 hitter if the Sox had given him a legitimate shot at a starting job. It's a sort of Joe Schlobotnik fixation that I have.
That said, I like the deal, for what it might bring for the Sox. Slot Youkilis somewhere among Viciedo/Ramirez/AJ, and the lineup looks much more formidable. Just removing Hudson from the lineup is an improvement at this point.
The White Sox have played 72 games this season. Roughly the same amount as they played in the 2nd half of 2011 (they played in 70 games after the All-Star break).
If you look at the 'splits' from the 2nd half of 2011 and this year's total, Lillibridge's plate appearance totals are very close in both 'splits'. It's his 2012 performance that's down. Way down, like falling off the cliff down.
A Slugging Average under .200 (.190)! An OBP drop of 107 points . A Slugging Percentage drop of a mind-boggling 379 points! An OPS drop of 476 points! He just plain old sucks this season and no amount of excuses for lack of playing time explains the huge dropoff in his performance since his 2012 PAs are similar to the 2nd half of 2011.
Year (half) G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BAvg OBP SLG OPS
2011 (2nd) 39 75 65 16 17 2 0 6 14 6 23 .262 .329 .569 .898
2012 (1st) 49 70 63 10 11 1 0 0 2 4 26 .175 .232 .190 .422
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Rather than providing subjective timeframes like those, Andy, how about looking at his numbers when he was given regular playing time compared to playing 5 games a month. Last year he started 12 games alone in a single month and produced some decent stats. This year it looks like he's started 13 games total over almost three months. I think a lot of players would agree that it's harder to get any kind of streak going when you're sitting 5 games a week, as opposed to getting 3-4 starts per week.
That is what I meant by not being a fair comparison.
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I've now had Billy Preston tunes running through my head all phucking day, at work and during my workout and during my evening Sox-viewing-drinking-hours -- these tunes include the instrumental "Space Race".
I hate you BlackSox.
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heh, I listened to Space Race yesterday....
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I thought I remembered him playing with the Rolling Stones on a tour and sure enough, googling that bears that out.
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I always admired his hair.
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Incidentally, the name of his first album was "The Most Exciting Organ Ever." Hmmm. I imagine he'd have to prove that.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-let-emerging-ace-chris-sale-test-his-limits.html
A quick piece on the Sox not putting an innings cap on Sale.
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Nice read, thank you.
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...and of course, I read the discussion on Sale you guys were having in the other thread right after I post this one....
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Septimo gets the call.
Surprising, as I don't think he was on the 40-man.
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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/13451919-574/sox-making-inner-city-pitch-with-double-duty-all-star-game.html
Can someone please explain to me why decedents of African slaves in Cuba, or Mexico, or South and Central America are not African American, or Negro to but it more broadly? Just because they speak Spanish doesn't remove their ancestry, they are still of African Negro decent - every bit as much as Jackie Robinson.
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Surprising, as I don't think he was on the 40-man.
Why surprising? I thought this guy was a 6-year minor league FA type and really did not have a clock running on when he had to be put on 40 man.
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Can someone please explain to me why decedents of African slaves in Cuba, or Mexico, or South and Central America are not African American, or Negro to but it more broadly? Just because they speak Spanish doesn't remove their ancestry, they are still of African Negro decent - every bit as much as Jackie Robinson.
Good point Love.
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Septimo gets the call.
Surprising, as I don't think he was on the 40-man.
The White Sox had a few open spots on the 40-man roster BEFORE they even made the 2-for-1 trade for Youkilis and DFA'ed Ohman. After all the moves, they still have 3 'open' spots of the 40-man roster.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws)
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Just figured they'd go with a guy already on the 40-man. Less paperwork.
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heh.
Sounds like a guy on the Canada fishing trip. He is driving his diesel pickup, me and my buddy are riding in the cab with him. Returning from the Lake and we are heading into Kakabaka Fall in Ontario. Our first stop from out of the bush, we always stop for gas and ice cream cones. The guy is driving faster than hell, and he never pays attention to anything.
A motorcycle all of a sudden appears on a side road and looks like it is going to dart right in front of us. My buddy and I yell, watch out Ritchie!!!! He slams on the breaks (hauling 3 boats as we have one on the topper and one on top of the one we are pulling) and I just closed my eyes. Well, the bike did not pull out, but we were all breathing hard and the other guy says, think of the freaking mess there would have been with all the weight we have. All the driver can do is sigh and say, "Think of the paperwork".
I laughed so freaking loud.
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The fellers over at SoxTalk say that Omogrosso got called up. Speculating that Crain is going back on the DL.
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Omogrosso up, Bruney on the DL.
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The ISF clan will be in attendance for the "Star Wars Day" tilt on 9/8 vs. the Royals...
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I do not like Youkilis 2nd, why mess with Beckham, he has been over .300 all month. Now he is going to go into the abyss, just watch.
Looks like you called it, msf. Gordo's racking up a slew of oh-fers since dropping back to the 9th spot.
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yeah, but looking at the lineup, who bats last then? Ramirez? Viciedo? Youk? They probably have it right, Youkilis is hitting, has a couple hits tonight including a homer.
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Ramirez and his 2 HRs bat last.
I'd actually be inclined to throw Youkilis in the #3 hole just to get Dunn out of there.
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Ramirez and his 2 HRs bat last.
I'd actually be inclined to throw Youkilis in the #3 hole just to get Dunn out of there.
I agree drop dunn to 5th...
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Dunn stays at 3.
Youk hits either after Paulie or after Rios.
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• The White Sox had 10 hits in 15 at-bats with runners in scoring position Tuesday, raising their Major League-best average with RISP to .303. They are hitting .359 (107-for-289) with RISP in their last 34 games.
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From espn.com:
The lanky lefty will likely not pitch again before the break and then be available for the All-Star game in a week.
So Sale will participate in the ASG, might even start, and will pitch an inning or two max. The kid can then pick up his next start on Saturday or Sunday after the break on normal rest.
But Sox mgmt will skip his final turn in the rotation -- against a power-hitting club while the Sox are in the middle of what could very well be a tight race in the AL Central? Anybody besides me a bit baffled by the priorities and/or logic here?
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yeah, I am. Pitch him Sunday, F the AS game.
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dont pitch him at all! skip one start and the ASG!
we're going to need him in sept/oct.
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The way I heard "them" explain it is Sale was going to skip a start anyways (he will do that from time to time the rest of the year), and that they have requested he only throw one inning, which wil count as the usual "side session" he normally has between starts.
meanwhile, Crain on the DL, Heath gets the call:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-heath-becomes-10th-rookie-on-soxs-roster-20120704,0,1802138.story
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I will still go on record saying I do not like Kenny as a GM... however, this year is working out well for him so far, and I won't quarrel with results.
I do like Ventura as manager, although I will always be an Ozzie fan. Two different styles of managing... each can work well in different situations.
Ventura seems to learn his lessons pretty well as he goes along.
We're still the only team in the AL Central with a positive run differential.
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Time to get Dunn and his feast-or-famine results out of the #3 spot. Youkilis is the guy that ought to be there now.
De Aza
Beckham
Youkilis
Konerko
Dunn
Rios
Viciedo
AJ
Ramirez
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I can agree with that but dont like Beckham in the 2 hole. Ramirez is way overdue to heat up. Maybe move Ramirez to the 2 hole.
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Jheter - a [brief] story about the making of the Beckham Imitates Peavy Video (interesting -- you have to answer two questions to view the article):
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120708/sports/707089814/
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As of today (the ASB), Baseball Prospectus projects odds of 87.8% for the Sox to make it to the postseason.
So we've got that going for us... which is nice.
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making of the Beckham Imitates Peavy Video
Thanks, it makes it even funnier to picture Konerko behind the cameras "directing".
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As of today (the ASB), Baseball Prospectus projects odds of 87.8% for the Sox to make it to the postseason.
So we've got that going for us... which is nice.
I subscribe to Murphy's Law theory.
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Shocking,
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Yahoo! Sports' MLB Power Rankings (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/power-rankings--yankees-knock-rangers-from-top-spot.html;_ylt=AuD2uVmJ0RcbbmVRFowvqxcRvLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1bHZsamZuBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBNTEIEcGtnAzY2ZjlhODNjLTc0MDItM2JmMC1iNzk2LWZjNDRmMzZjYzUwOARwb3MDMQRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzc0MDEyMmUwLWNjNWEtMTFlMS05OWYyLTg0YzA1YjQ2ZTc3Zg--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoODgyNmttBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANtbGIEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3)
These rankings confirm two things:
1) The Sox are starting to be taken seriously around the media
2) Tim Brown needs to stop trying to use "humor."
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Man, seeing the Bucs at #6 looks like a typo...
Good for them and their long-suffering fans.
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2) Tim Brown needs to stop trying to use "humor."
Thanks for the warning. Wow. Who amongst the typical demo that would read this piece is going to find any of that funny? Did he even consider that as he was writing it? All he needed to do was look at "Occupy Tebow" to see that the online audience (under the age of oh, 70) is WAY beyond this"humor". Btw, that's still going. And still funny.
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Never heard of this cat:
Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales
Jhan Marinez recalled from Triple-A Charlotte.
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got him from the marlins for Ozzie.
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http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/jhan-marinez/
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A Dominican who will probably be most-remembered for being one of the prospects traded for new Miami manager Ozzie Guillen, Jhan Marinez is a bit of an under-the-radar sleeper prospect now in the White Sox system who doesn't get as much attention as he probably deserves, despite his appearance in the Futures Game last season. Marinez is a slight player with a power fastball that can touch 98, but he has more success with his two-seamer, a 92mph offering with exceptional movement. His change and slider still need to improve before they're ready for the big stage, but he has so much raw talent that he's bound to make it sooner or later.
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Jhan
Cool name for sure.
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Jhan
Remember that, en Espanol, the J does not match the English pronunciation of that letter, the H will likely be silent, and he uses the dialect from the Azua provincia for the AN. I believe that the correct pronunciation is "Arnold".
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Jhan
Cool name for sure.
I knew that would pic Jeter's interest
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Also from the link to the Martinez article was this:
Marinez will be the 11th rookie to appear on the White Sox's 25-man roster this season.
Interesting. And thats from a farm system without talent
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got him from the marlins for Ozzie.
Would be especially sweet if this youngin comes in and plays a key role in leading the Beloved to the WS.
Maybe JR could offer Ozzie some free seats in the UD to watch the games
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I believe that the correct pronunciation is "Arnold".
That was good.
I'm thinking that "Jhan" is a cross between "Jhonny" (which I always make sure to pronounce "Juh-Honny") and "Juan."
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URL sez it all:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-put-floyd-on-dl-humber-activated-20120717,0,7591324.story
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Bad news... Jhan Marinez was sent back down to the minors to make room for Pedro Hernandez.
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Bad news... Jhan Marinez was sent back down to the minors to make room for Pedro Hernandez get another vowel.
Had to fix that.
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Is that vowel or bowel.
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And I think he meant consonant.
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(http://wishiweretherenow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bob-barker.jpg)
Donnie Veal, come on down!
http://twitter.com/whitesox
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And let the puns and wordplay begin!
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Okay.
(http://steeshes.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/alan-shemper-mustache.jpg)
Thanks, you're a great audience! Try the veal, its fantastic...
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We can save this one for his first bad outing
(http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/files/2007/07/pounding-veal.jpg)
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Guess with Septimo effort in his loss the other night we decided to bring up a LH. In fact, I would have rather kept Heath up to make the start that was made by Hernandez, and then we could have just swapped Veal for Septimo. Oh well, maybe cause Thornton sucks monkey balls we have to have the extra LH in the pen.
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I loved BlackSox's "classic" approach, but Method's was covered in awesomeness sauce as the kids say. Let us hope we will never have to use it, but I think we will.
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Brian Omogrosso sent back to Triple-A as Jesse Crain comes off the DL:
@AdamHogeCBS: Jesse Crain is back. Brian Omogrosso optioned to Charlotte. #WhiteSox
http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-white-sox/2012/7/21/3174267/white-sox-roster-update-jesse-crain-set-to-return (http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-white-sox/2012/7/21/3174267/white-sox-roster-update-jesse-crain-set-to-return)
Also: White Sox acquire pitcher Brett Myers from the Houston Astros. No report yet and what they gave up for him (see Trade & Rumors thread).
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.186 / .255 / .286 / .541
Beckham's splits in the #9 slot. Compared to .729 OPS (not great, but acceptable) while hitting #2. I hope Robin has the both the common sense and cojones to move him.
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I wouldn't feel bad if KW decided to move him. Miami is in sell-mode, see if you can't package him with a couple prospects for Hanley Ramirez.
Then let the Ramirez boys fight over who plays SS/2B.
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Is the headline "Danks to have season-ending surgery" news to anyone? Surprise, yeah, no.
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no surprise
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Kinda explains why he signed that deal... I was shocked when he did it... Seems he's always maintained maximizing his payday... iirc 2 years ago when floyd signed his deal we offered danks a sweat heart deal and he turned it down...
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Nice praise for KW's work:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8220697/mlb-deadline-day-winners-losers
The White Sox, meanwhile, did what they seem to do this time every year: They listen to everybody spout off about how they have no prospects to trade and no money to spend. Then they make some of the best deals out there to be made. Well, maverick GM Kenny Williams did it again -- reeling in Kevin Youkilis, Brett Myers and Francisco Liriano at shockingly low prices. Listen to how his peers talked about him:
"I think Kenny Williams was the star of the deadline," one AL executive said. "He gives up nothing. He's not eating money. And he's getting all these guys who can really help him."
"Kenny just keeps going," said an NL exec. "He's relentless at what he does. He keeps it moving. And he doesn't like taking no for an answer."
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Meh.
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i agree... i wish he'd landed Grienke... but considering what we gave up... we got the best bat that was traded... and if we get the Francisco i saw last nite... a good SP and RP.
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Being the stadium announcer at White Sox and Blackhawks games is nice... announcing at the NCAA Final Four is swell and all... but Gene Honda had finally moved up in the world.
He is now the stadium announcer for your Fighting Illini Football.
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Ahhh. Seems just like yesterday that your BlackSox's, boatdrink's, et al were discussing all things large and small with one Gene Honda in the BP bar.
Memories....
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The Cub portion of that ESPN piece was the true gem. Thanks for the chuckle Rule.
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"Kenny just keeps going," said an NL exec. "He's relentless at what he does. He keeps it moving. And he doesn't like taking no for an answer."
No wonder he typically seems to throw in one too many prospects. Not so this round.
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John Danks is expected to be ready for the start of spring training next February after undergoing surgery Monday to repair a capsular tear and minor debridements of the rotator cuff and biceps in his left shoulder.
The surgery revealed a normal labrum.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-danks-surgery-destined-to-be-more-than-exploratory-20120806,0,1808452.story
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normal labrum
You did a few gigs with those guys, right?
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That's not a band, its a "banned" WSI poster.
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If we need another starter, I would rather Axelrod get recalled and start it rather than Humber. We could release Humber and I would be ok with it. Axelrod went 6 shutout innings this evening in Charlotte's 1-0 win.
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Wouldnt mind seeing Santiago again either...
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Santiago is being converted back to a starter, he could possibly be Liriano-like, he throws hard, just needs to get consistent.
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If we need another starter, I would rather Axelrod get recalled and start it rather than Humber. We could release Humber and I would be ok with it. Axelrod went 6 shutout innings this evening in Charlotte's 1-0 win.
Not me. I wouldn't want to release any starting pitcher that could be signed by another contender. I don't want to see any player we release have the chance to come back and hurt us this season. Better to bury him in the bullpen as a long reliever then release him to be signed by another team where he has a chance to hurt us if they 'fix' him. If you're going to release somebody, make it after the season.
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(http://content.hollywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/adam-corolla.jpg) + (http://www.draftsite.com/images/playerfaces/9662.jpg) = (http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/baseball/mlb/players/9060.jpg)
Adam Corolla + Joe Borchard = Dylan Axelrod?
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JorDanks sent to AAA, Donnie Veal recalled.
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AJ needs to be resigned for whatever, his past 8 years, especially this year scream that. Another few good years from him may deserve a statue in the park.
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They may not get another 25-HR season out of AJ, but whatever they get from him, he's worth every penny. That play where he scored from first on a ball that never left the infield says it all.
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When Pierzynski's career is over, I'd sure like to see him stay with the White Sox and added to the coaching staff as the 'bench coach'. Got to think he'd be a big help to a manager with in-game strategy.
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He's a keep for pure smarts. Might be a bit too snarky to be a manager, but maybe not so much once he stops playing.
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snarky
Snicker. Perfect
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O-Hud & Septimo to DL (hmm...), Konerko activated, Santiago recalled.
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I wonder if Septimo to the DL is just the Sox's way of giving him a week or so off, then being able to legally send him down to the minors for "rehab."
Remember that Santiano was sent down (instead of Septimo) purely because Septimo is out of options....
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Shift Leader at the local Hardee's seems like a suitable option for him.
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Better yet, White Castle. He can work on his slider there.
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Heh. I'll admit to chuckling on that one...
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Yeah, well done, 4n.
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Looks like De Aza is going to the De Ell, and JorDanks getting called up
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Couple o' nuggets:
General manager Ken Williams confirmed that more players than he budgeted for will be promoted from the minors on or after Sept. 1 when 25-man rosters can be expanded. But he said some will join the Sox after Sept. 1 because the Knights have qualified for the International League playoffs.
Williams didn't sound optimistic about acquiring a player through waivers.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0821-bits-white-sox-yankees--20120821,0,3151091.story
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There will have to be some deletions from the present 40-man roster by September 1st if they plan to promote any position players. The 40-man roster is full and top heavy with 25 pitchers. There isn't a third catcher on the 40-man. There are no position players in the minors that are currently part of the White Sox 40-man roster other than Brent Morel. A couple of players need to join John Danks on the 60-man DL or be removed from the 40-man roster if the White Sox want Josh Phegley and Dan Johnson to join the major league club in September.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws)
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Was hoping someone would catch that.
One would think that a Beat Writer would know that information, considering its his Full Time Job...
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...There are no position players in the minors that are currently part of the White Sox 40-man roster other than Brent Morel...
Brent who?
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heh, hitting .190 in AAA. Doubt we see him again in a Sox uniform in a regular season game.
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If you would've told me that Francisco Liriano, Kevin Youkilis (+ cash!), and Brett Myers could be had for a total of Lil'Beast, Zach Stewart, and a bunch of minor league spare parts, I would've thought you were nuts.
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I think I see a lobster in that visor reflection.
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Kevin Hickey funeral most WSox attend, ledgend Johnny Peskey funeral 4 RSox attend.
There is a reason we are in first and they are imploding
BOSTON -- David Ortiz, one of four Red Sox players who attended Monday's funeral for Sox icon Johnny Pesky, said all of his teammates "probably" should have attended, "but I'm nobody to say who should and who should not [have gone]."
A front-page story in Thursday's Boston Herald noted that Ortiz, pitchers Vicente Padilla and Clay Buchholz and catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia were the only current players to attend, along with manager Bobby Valentine. Two busloads of other Red Sox employees and front-office officials -- numbering more than 100 in all -- also attended the funeral, which was held in Swampscott, the same North Shore town in which Pesky, 92, lived for decades.
The Red Sox did not arrive from New York, where they had played in a nationally televised game Sunday night, until around 4 a.m. Monday, according to club officials. New York was the last stop on a three-city, 11-day trip that had begun Aug. 8 with a flight to Cleveland.
"Me personally, I was close to Johnny and when it comes down to his funeral situation, there's no reason why you don't show up when a friend passes away," Ortiz said. "I felt like I needed to be there for him and his family. Everybody has their particular reasons why some of the guys didn't show up. We came back from New York very late and some of the guys probably had some things to do that day and that's probably the reason why some of the guys didn't show up."
read more: http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8298065/david-ortiz-not-mad-boston-red-sox-johnny-pesky-funeral-no-shows (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8298065/david-ortiz-not-mad-boston-red-sox-johnny-pesky-funeral-no-shows)
(this post was edited by Admin to comply with accepted copyright standards.)
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Love to see the bean-eaters imploding. Only problem is that the mainstream sports media sees their turmoil as newsworthy and we still have to hear about them. Hopefully a few years of being also-rans will usher in a new era of irrelevance for them. We can hope.
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I liked what Ortiz said and did. He showed some class.
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My parents were at the game last night, and my dad's new favorite player is now Hector Santiago.
He said Santiago was out by the foul pole signing autographs for every kid who asked for one... basically all the way up until first pitch. The last kid in line was a little girl (no older than 6 or 7), who had nothing to sign.
It looked like Santiago told her to come back at the end of the inning.
When she returned, she still came back empty handed, so he went back and grabbed a ball from the bullpen to sign for her.
Just kind of cool to see players go out of their way to take care of the young fans like that.
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Definitely a case to be made for Ventura as MOY -- not sure that he can overtake Showalter and/or Melvin in the media poll though.
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Ventura has made some questionable bullpen moves this year but for the most part you have to like what he's done with the team and the coaching staff he's surrounded himself with. He's instituted fielders taking fielding practice before games and it shows, pitchers are holding runners better, our catchers are actually throwing out baserunners, our offense doesn't roll over and die once they give up a lead or fall behind 3-0 in the first inning.
To me, that has been the most fun aspect of the team this year -- the fact that they don't quit. If the score is within reach you just feel like they're either going to come back or at least make it interesting. After Friday night's 9th inning bullpen collapse, last year's team would have gone down 1-2-3 in the bottom of the 9th. But this year they don't give up that easily.
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yep, Robin has been a good steadying influence. I think the team is more confident and little things do not seem to bother each player as much. Ozzie had guys on pins and needles. Fundamentals are soooooo important.
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Nice story, JC. Looks like Private Santiago has been trained well!
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Sox don outlandish pants! Wacky!
http://www.csnchicago.com/v11_photogallery?gid=13577&gf=594&awid=6956205089813826264-914
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He's instituted fielders taking fielding practice before games and it shows, pitchers are holding runners better, our catchers are actually throwing out baserunners, our offense doesn't roll over and die once they give up a lead or fall behind 3-0 in the first inning.
To me, that has been the most fun aspect of the team this year -- the fact that they don't quit.
The fielding practice is probably the most positive thing he's implemented. A great idea and much needed. Back to fundamentals... and it's paid off, I agree.
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Sox don outlandish pants! Wacky!
Jeez, yeah, what's with that? Does that come with being a "celebrity," or are they all on their way to play golf?
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Paul Konerko visits the Chicago Music Exchange. Didn't know he played!
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SGs are cool, but its a huge pain in the arse to change strings on some models.
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G-Floyd on the DL, LongFace called up (will start WEDS)
DeAza starts a minor league assignment tonight
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LongFace called up
Ha!
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heh, make all the Independent Leaguers pround LF. <insert horse whinnying>
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Want to go to a game but concerned about $$? This is a great deal and it's going right now:
http://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-chicago-white-sox-4?c=dnb&p=1
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TRANSACTIONS
Dylan Axelrod optioned to Birmingham after last night's game. White Sox reported to promote infielder Jose Lopez from Charlotte to fill the spot on the 25-man roster. Space will have to be made on the 40-man roster before today's game. Will Brian Bruney be transferred from the 15-day to the 60-day DL? Or will they drop one of the minor league pitchers from the 40-man roster? Maybe they'll release the O-Dog.
Also talk of Tyler Flowers possibly heading back to Chicago for the birth of his 1st child. Another spot on the 40-man roster will have to be clear for Gimenez.
Guess we'll know in a few hours as today's game starts at 11:35AM Central Time.
http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-bringing-Lopez-up-for-Axelrod-?blockID=765153&feedID=10338 (http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-bringing-Lopez-up-for-Axelrod-?blockID=765153&feedID=10338)
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Guessing he'll be back on 9/1 (or whenever he's eligible to come back up after being optioned).
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Does this mean Youk is ailing? We do not need another infielder, this guy has been hitting but thought I had read his defense has been atrocious. I do not like this one bit.
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I somehow missed or paid no attention to the acquisition of Lopez from the Indians. Gonzo says he is starting today and batting 2nd
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Did I miss something posted here or elsewhere about Youkilis hurting again?
He's been a great addition, but this was the concern back when they acquired him.
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Anyone else going to the game on Tuesday, the 4th?
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I think Youk has achy (breaky) knees... probably will need a game or two off every now and then.
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White Sox add INF Lopez, make 4 other moves
The Associated Press – 1 hour 49 minutes ago
BALTIMORE (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox have purchased the contract of infielder Jose Lopez from Triple-A Charlotte and placed backup catcher Tyler Flowers on the paternity leave list.
Lopez was signed by Chicago on Aug. 14 after being designated for assignment by the Cleveland Indians. The 2006 AL All-Star is a .262 career hitter over nine seasons and was in the starting lineup for Thursday's game against the Orioles.
Flowers is expecting the birth of his first child.
To fill the void behind the plate, the White Sox purchased the contract of catcher Hector Gimenez from Charlotte. Gimenez hit .259 with Charlotte this season.
Chicago also transferred right-hander Brian Bruney to the 60-day disabled list and released right-hander Gregory Infante, who appeared in five games with the White Sox in 2010.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-add-inf-lopez-154429362--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-add-inf-lopez-154429362--mlb.html)
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If you wonder why a .300+ hitting Paul Konerko's RBI totals are mediocre for a 4th place hitter, see below:
Paul Konerko's 2012 Situational Stats (thru Saturday's game)
AB H 2B HR RBI BB K AVG OBP SLG OPS
None on/out 119 33 4 8 8 4 14 .277 .306 .513 .819
None on:1/2 Out 131 46 7 7 7 22 21 .351 .459 .565 1.023
Men on, 2 outs 99 29 4 3 20 9 16 .293 .358 424 .782
Man on 3rd, < 2 outs 25 4 1 0 13 2 3 .160 .233 .200 .433
Bases Loaded 11 1 0 0 3 1 1 .091 .167 .091 .258
Hitting .351 with nobody on and 1 or 2 out is fantastic, but batting .091 with the bases loaded and .160 with a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out is awful.
As Hawk would say "Don't tell me what you hit, tell me when you hit it."
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5908/situational;_ylt=Akz1NEZ.vDm.g3XLdGp5NomFCLcF (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5908/situational;_ylt=Akz1NEZ.vDm.g3XLdGp5NomFCLcF)
Looking further at the numbers, Paul Konerko's career average with the bases loaded is .324. Great! However, his last three seasons are: .200 (2010), .167 (2011) and .091 (2012). A troubling trend downward. Maybe it's time to move Paulie out of the cleanup spot.
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These people shouldn't be allowed to have babies in September and October. If it wasn't so much fun watching the Tigs continue to lose I would be really angry.
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White Sox this year 9-20 vs. the Tigers & Royals.
66-44 versus the rest of MLB.
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Add our record against the Orioles and Red Sox to that and we are destroying the rest of baseball
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If you dont count the 64 games we've lost this year... we have basically destroyed the AL. 75-0
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You sure can see a lot just by observing.
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We've often talked on this board about KW not giving away a decent prospect...
looks like he traded away a soon to be Cy Young winner not once... but twice.
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Agree, the Gio for Thome was OK and excusable, getting Gio back for Garcia was brilliant, the Gio for Swisher was his worst ever, and the Swisher for whatever was the second worst.
The only good thing about it is that I live in DC, and rooting for Gio and the Nats is fun this year!
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They really are a fun team to watch...
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Any of your locals who are LEYE Frequent Diner Club members, (that may be zero besides me), half price tix for tomorrow's tilt vs. Tigers. I mention this one, as it's a discount on a key matchup instead of vs. the Astros or whatever.
http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/ticketing/groups/gsg/gsg.jsp?loc=diners
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Are you going, Jeter?
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Nope, watching $$ before our trip.
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Two series against the Mets in 2103?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-tentative-2013-schedule-includes-threegame-series-vs-miami-guillen-four-consecutive-games-with-20120912,0,1371957.story
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2012-09/300445760-12103200.pdf
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Oh, I get it. Two 2-gamers vs. Mets to off-set the two 2-gamers vs. Cub.
3 games each at Washington & Philly, 3 games each at home vs. Miami and ATL.
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Other things of note:
Open and close at home, against KC both times
The "day off after Opening Day" is back
"Wrap-around" series at Houston in June
Looks like only two series vs. AL West teams instead of three - probably due to addition of Houston
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3 games each at home vs. Miami and ATL.
I'm pretty sure the Sox played the Braves in Chicago last year. They have not played in Atlanta since 2003. Whisky-tango....
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I was looking at that schedule and couldn't figure out the Houston thing. Duhhh... they switched leagues! It's going to take me awhile to get used to that.
Guess we'll never meet them in another World Series.
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Maybe we will, after they do radical realignment in about 30 years.
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Why didn't they move Milwaukee back. That would have been more logical. Texas needs 2 AL teams?? Stupid
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Why didn't they move Milwaukee back. That would have been more logical. Texas needs 2 AL teams?? Stupid
Spot on.
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Why didn't they move Milwaukee back. That would have been more logical. Texas needs 2 AL teams?? Stupid
I totally agree. Milwaukee would have been ideal. Less travel.
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The "moved" team needed to go to the AL West. No one wants to go to the AL West (more games out west = later start times, which = less TV ratings and thus less TV revenue). No way the Brewers (or even the Royals) would agree.
So ol' Bud was opportunistic, and said to the proposed new owner of the Astros: "you want us to approve the sale? you have to move to the AL West". This moved also pacified the malcontent Dallas Rangers, who don;t like being the only Central time zone team in that division.
I think this is just step 1. Step 2 is having the DH in both leagues; once that happens, radical realignment is inevitable.
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So why not KC and move Milwaukee back to the AL central?
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I thought they were moving to a more balanced schedule. We are still playing teams in our division 19 or 20 freeking times!!!!!??
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So why not KC and move Milwaukee back to the AL central?
KC would have to agree to the move, which they would never do, because of the TV stuff.
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Two series against the Mets in 2103?
Why do I care since I will likely be dead by then?
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Texas needs 2 AL teams?? Stupid
Actually makes allot of sense. Houston/Dallas is a natural rivalry; now they get to play each other more often. Get the right circumstances (both teams being good at the same time) and it could develop into another Dodgers/Giants or Cubs/Cardinals type thing.
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Texas needs 2 AL teams?? Stupid
Actually makes allot of sense. Houston/Dallas is a natural rivalry; now they get to play each other more often. Get the right circumstances (both teams being good at the same time) and it could develop into another Dodgers/Giants or Cubs/Cardinals type thing.
It does make sense in a way, but the real reasons that Houston moved instead of Milwaukee were:
1) As stated, MLB (Bud Selig) used leverage on the new Astros owner to approve the team's sale.
2) No way does Bud want to see "his" Brewers moved to the AL. Milwaukee fans, because of the tradition going back to the '50s Braves, prefer to have an NL team.
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Yes. That's the real reason.
I say contract the Brewers!!!
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Houston should change its team name from Astros upon entering the AL. There has actually been some talk about that.
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Well they sure in heck won't go back to being the Colt .45's. See "Washington
Bullets Wizards".
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They could be the Colts, though. The horsey thing might go over well in Texas, plus it would be a nod to tradition.
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because everyone is afraid of colts.
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(I sense a similar reference to Cubs coming right about here.)
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equinophobia is a real problem...
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I think that is a more common phobia than a lot of people think!
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I'm confused.
Is this where I make a Dylan Axelrod joke, or a Sarah Jessica Parker joke?
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Is this where I make a Dylan Axelrod joke, or a Sarah Jessica Parker joke?
You just did, both of them.
Egad, imagine the offspring...
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We got a "Jh..." guy!
Reliever Jhan Marinez was promoted from Triple-A Charlotte, where he had a 2.86 ERA in 40 games. Marinez joined the Sox last fall as compensation for the departure of manager Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0915-bits-white-sox-twins-chicago--20120915,0,4655863.story
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To MSF and other old timers like us.
What past season does this one most remind you of.
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1967
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You win blackie!
Lots of teams in the race, we have a team no one expected to go this far, every day is a nail biter, and we may yet face KC in a doubleheader.
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1967
I'm sure I was a Sox fan then, but too wee to remember that year.
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In a way it reminds me of 2005. We seem to have led most of the way and then late we almost got passed by Cleveland. Also, our closer went down that year and we had to use a rookie in that role.
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we had a big lead in 2005. Maybe 10 games. Don't think we've ever led by more than 4 this year.
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It was 15 games at the ASB before the 2006 WS Champs closed it down to 1.5.
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In a way it reminds me of 2005. We seem to have led most of the way and then late we almost got passed by Cleveland. Also, our closer went down that year and we had to use a rookie in that role.
BUUUUURN!
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the 2006 WS Champs
Heh.
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In a way it reminds me of 2005. We seem to have led most of the way and then late we almost got passed by Cleveland. Also, our closer went down that year and we had to use a rookie in that role.
BUUUUURN!
No not burn, that rookie held his own too.
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the 2006 WS Champs
Heh.
Yeah, agreed, good one Joey.
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I would say 2008. Spent most of the year in first or second place, never had more than a couple game lead over the Twins, almost blew it late because we could not beat them. Substitute Tigers for Twins, very similar scenario.
Would have to disagree about 1967. That was a winner take all scenario to go right to the WS. The whole two wild card thing and playoffs dilutes the whole experience plus its like there are two races going on at once (division and WC) but most of the tension comes from the Division race. So its hard to feel like we are in a multi team race. I think the Sox and Detroit only go to the playoffs by winning the division.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2008-schedule-scores.shtml
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I agree with Pete, it feels kind of like 2008 to me.
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Well Black Sox got it, and I didn't even give a hint.
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Just cause Black Sox was wrong doesn't mean he was right.
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I'll explain why Black Sox and I are the beains here, and maybe msf will see the light bulb. This is the fiirst year since 1967 that we have to worry about several teams at the same time for making the post season, In 2005, all I worried about was the Indians in September, in 2008 it was the Twins in September, In 1983 there was no one to worry about, in 1992 just the Indians. In 1967 I was worried about the Tigers, Twins, and Red Sox all at the same time. In 2012 I worry about the Yankees, Orioles, Tigers, A's and Angels at the same time because if we don't neat the Tigers, there is the wild card.
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But in '67 if the Sox beat out those three other teams, they were in the WS. And they'd have proved they were the best of all the teams over 162 games. Winning the WC means they get to play the other WC team, then maybe in the ALDS, then maybe the ALCS, then maybe the WS. And they were probably only the 5th best team in league, since unlikely they would catch Oakland.
Just hard to get as excited about the WC as we were in 1967. Which is not to say I would not be pleased if we lose the Division but manage to win a WC.
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I think bottom line is I don't even look at the WC standings. That might change if we were to fall out of first, but that ain't gonna happen.
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Pete how old were you in 67?
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8.
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But the thing is, there is no wild card if we do not win. It is us vs the Tigers, neither of us can even barely sniff the wild card. 1967 there were 4-5 team fighting for 1st place in one "division", just do not see the similarity as you guys do.
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As I was not yet born in 1967, I can safely say that you guys are old.
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In 1967 I would have been 11.
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Two series against the Mets in 2103?
Too bad I won't live to see those games...
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I turned 13 in 1967
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As I was not yet born in 1967, I can safely say that you guys are old.
Fellas like msf and I prefer the term "experienced".
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heh, that is correct Pete.
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I was also 11 in 1967 and I remember that pennant race very well. I went to a few ball games that year with my dad.
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Watching mlb.com slobbering over Rios' slide. What a nice hustle play, never ever thought I would see Rios be a grinder as he has this year. I knew they guy had it in him, just with the way he had played since we got him I never thought we would see it.
Such a difference with Ventura in charge. You gotta believe if OG was still here that Dunn and Rios may have never turned it around. Seems like Showalter or the guy at Oakland are shoe ins for MOY, but Ventura sure deserves it too. We were picked for last, of course both of those teams likely were too.
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Guy in Oakland doesn't have a prayer. He's just the beneficiary of the genius of moneyball...
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You misspelled "genious."
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moneyball
Which as we all know was written by Billy Beane.
I love saying that every chance I get.
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Speaking of Joe Morgan, below is an article that would be picked apart by FJM if it were still around:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--schiano-s-order-sparks-a-great-debate-over-the-unwritten-rules-of-sport.html
The writer just talks about the unwritten rules of sports... which we all already know anyways. He has no point he makes in the article, other than to point out that the unwritten rules exist.
Something to read if you feel like being bored.
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Wow, how would you like to hang out with this guy at a game? Pretty sure I'd be driving sporks into my tympanic membrane by about the 2nd inning or so.
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Note his buddies sitting with him, laughing hysterically.
...oh... wait....
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Just heard this on the local sports yakker:
Bob Nightengale@BNightengale
Dan Jennings expected to be next #Marlins GM while Rick Hahn becomes #WhiteSox GM, Williams elevated to Sox President.
https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/248872008983666688
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Well good for Rick Hahn
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this report says Bob Nightengale claiming Kenny will be promoted to Vice President - Baseball Operations, not team president. Either way, Rick Hahn moves up to GM after the season.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/9/20/3364946/report-rick-hahn-to-become-white-sox-general-manager-this-offseason (http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/9/20/3364946/report-rick-hahn-to-become-white-sox-general-manager-this-offseason)
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Non-Tender candidate...Phil Humber
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/non-tender-candidate-phil-humber.html
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Humber has been mishandled, and yet we continue to trot Quintana out there, to put us in a hole.
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How has humber been mishandled?
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How has humber been mishandled?
He's been allowed to pitch.
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heh
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I actually don't agree with my statement at all, but it was set up on a tee.
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I don't get the Quintana criticism. It was Quintana that beat the Tiggers. Quintana has been way beyond anything we could have hoped for.
He has plugged a hole in the rotation, and not just in mediocre fashion. He has been what Danks was hyped to be.
That he has had some struggles the last month is not a surprise. But unless Coop suspects/knows he has a tired arm, he has earned his rotation spot as much as anyone on the team.
Gavin Floyd aspires to one day be as good as Quintana has been.
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The last two months, and struggled big time without those in charge seeming to notice. So they leave him in until we are down by 5. He is no where near the pitcher he was at the beginning of the year.
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Something to read:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-set-chris-sale-free-as-nats-shut-down-stephen-strasburg-.html
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I don't get the Quintana criticism.
I agree with ISF. I have more faith that we might get a good perfromance when Q starts than either Pinky of Liriano
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Quintana kills himself with his defense, needs to work on that. I love his cutter. He seems strong still. Would hope he is the type to improve.
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Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.
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Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.
...?
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The White Sox have altered their rotation.
Jake Peavy's next start was moved back to Thursday night against Tampa Bay; Hector Santiago will start Wednesday night in place of Peavy.
Chris Sale will get an extra day of rest and make his last start of the season on Sunday against the Rays.
Part of the switch was to give the Sox more favorable matchups, particularly against Cleveland's predominently left-handed hitting lineup.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-peavy-extra-extra-rest-sales-last-start-on-sunday-20120925,0,1587809.story
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Why the Axelrod kid get no chance to start? His last two starts have been more than adequate while he's more-or-less sucked in relief. Meanwhile, Santiago, even though he threw four shutout innings his last start, has been decent out of the pen, IIRC.
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Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.
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Sorry, must have put in the wrong thread, in response to asking about Steve Wapnik.
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Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.
...?
Sorry, must have put in the wrong thread, in response to asking about Steve Wapnik.
Steve Wapnick was the PTBNL the White Sox received from Toronto in the Cory Snyder deal. In that trade, the White Sox also acquired Shawn Jeter who is the son of former White Sox Johnny Jeter.
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Ventura actually PH Hudson for AJ on Sunday because of the percentages? Good ucking lord.
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In that trade, the White Sox also acquired Shawn Jeter who is the son of former White Sox Johnny Jeter.
Hmmm, you never hear Jhon Jeter mention his son, Shawn, on these boards. Must be a deep family secret...
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/al-notes-trout-ventura-peavy-twins-1.html
If the Sox buy out Peavy, he may act as his own agent, since his current agent (David Axelrod) is taking a position with the DBacks. Peavy wants to stay with the Sox.
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Whoops - meant Barry Axelrod.... not David.
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Mods!?!?
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If?
It's WHEN the White Sox buy out Peavy.
Anyone who picks up Peavy's $22 Million option deserves to be fired.
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at least you did not say Dylan Axelrod.
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Peavy is fine if you pencil him in as a #3 or #4 starter. That's his level now.
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And oh yeah, I hate Kenny Williams.
Maybe Hahn will do a better job of signing some real talent, instead of defrosting lobsters.
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Sometimes I fantasize about becoming a Yankee fan just so I could experience championships on a semi-regular basis.
But it's a fantasy. I am doomed, I'm a Sox fan.
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Sometimes I fantasize about becoming a Yankee fan just so I could experience championships on a semi-regular basis.
But then they wouldn't mean anything. When you only win one every 88 years, you tend to get a little more excited.
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When you only win one every 88 years, you tend to get a little more excited.
It better not be 88 years 'til the next one!
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Ray Olmedo - he outrighted
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-olmedo-outrighted-now-minor-league-free-agent-20121010,0,2586766.story
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http://www.chicagonow.com/white-sox-observer/2012/10/another-troubling-update-from-old-friend-john-danks/
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-position-analysis-another-chance-for-morel-20121011,0,4253360.story
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Big drops in Sox ticket prices and parking for next season:
More than 87 percent of all full season-ticket prices for the 2013 season will either drop or stay the same. More than 54 percent of the full season tickets will decrease in price by an average of 26 percent.
Corner seats in the lower deck will be available for $20 on a daily basis, and upper-deck seats will be available for $7 for every game but opening day and the two home games against the Cubs.
The cost of parking will drop to $20, a decrease ranging from $3-$5.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-cutting-2013-ticket-prices-20121018,0,1655301.story
I amazed it took them this long to realize how out of reach their pricing was for the average family. I guess barely having a half-full stadium night after night during a playoff run finally woke them up...
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OTOH nowhere did I see what otc game tickets were going to be just that season ticket prices were going to be reduced. Most of arent big spenders like Shoe and maybe go to only one or two games per year. So it remains to be seen whether this just allows the rich who buy the decent seats a break and the average fan no break.
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That's why we have to rise up against the 1%!
(oops, wrong thread)
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Its trickle down ticket pricing... get tickets from season holders on the cheap
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Sometimes I fantasize about becoming a Yankee fan just so I could experience championships on a semi-regular basis.
But it's a fantasy. I am doomed, I'm a Sox fan.
You're better off becoming a Cards fan
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Big drops in Sox ticket prices and parking for next season:
More than 87 percent of all full season-ticket prices for the 2013 season will either drop or stay the same. More than 54 percent of the full season tickets will decrease in price by an average of 26 percent.
Corner seats in the lower deck will be available for $20 on a daily basis, and upper-deck seats will be available for $7 for every game but opening day and the two home games against the Cubs.
The cost of parking will drop to $20, a decrease ranging from $3-$5.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-cutting-2013-ticket-prices-20121018,0,1655301.story
I amazed it took them this long to realize how out of reach their pricing was for the average family. I guess barely having a half-full stadium night after night during a playoff run finally woke them up...
For me, it's not so much the ticket price but parking, beer and food. 8 bucks for a beer and 5 for a hot dog is just out of control
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For me, it's not so much the ticket price but parking, beer and food. 8 bucks for a beer and 5 for a hot dog is just out of control
That's why you do all the drinking and eating outside before the game. It works out pretty well for me. Just ask Blackie.
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I never eat or drink at games, I have no desire to use the restroom (ick) and miss an inning and 1/2 in the process.
Eat and drink After!
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Eating and drinking at a game is all part of the ballpark experience. Kids want a hot dog at a game. Guys want to have a couple beers at the game. Again, it all adds to the experience and should be reasonably priced.
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Oh, for the days when you could get a ticket, a hot dog, and two beers all for under $20!
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Brooks Boyer held a conference call with media and WSI was asked to represent. Here are some notes about what Brooks had to say about the surveys that were taken and how the Sox are addressing some of the issues:
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136383
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Sox promote Williams and Hahn
GM Williams turning over reins to assistant while he becomes head of baseball operations
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 9:36 p.m. CDT, October 25, 2012
The long-awaited transition of the White Sox's front office will be announced Friday when Ken Williams is promoted to overseeing the baseball operations department, with assistant general manager Rick Hahn elevated to Williams' GM duties.
A major league source confirmed the moves shortly after the team announced a news conference was scheduled for Friday. The elevation of Williams and promotion of Hahn had been anticipated as early as 2008 — after the Sox's last American League Central title.
The transitions will complete a 13-year run as GM for Williams, 48, who constructed the Sox's 2005 World Series title team — their lone world title since 1917. As head of baseball operations, he will retain his title as a senior vice president.
At the end of the 2012 season, Williams spoke of the team's challenge to attract more fans to U.S. Cellular Field, and he's expected to provide input outside of the baseball department.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1026-white-sox-chicago--20121026,0,1587582.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1026-white-sox-chicago--20121026,0,1587582.story)
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With changes at top, Pierzynski wonders where he might fit
Free agent Sox catcher wants to stay after Williams and Hahn are promoted
By Dave van Dyck, Chicago Tribune reporter - 10:37 p.m. CDT, October 25, 2012
SAN FRANCISCO — When it's official that Rick Hahn is promoted to White Sox general manager and Ken Williams to president of baseball operations as expected Friday, how will that affect whether A.J. Pierzynski returns?
He's eager to find out, but doesn't think there will be much change.
"It's still the same two people in charge, from what I hear," Pierzynski said Thursday from the World Series, where he is doing color work for Fox. "They just have different titles.
"I'm sure Rick will have more responsibility as far as picking players (acquired) and player development. At the same time, Kenny is still there. Kenny's going to have his hand in it and so is (Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf) and all the guys they have."
Asked if had heard anything from the Sox regarding his future since the end of the season, Pierzynski said:
"Nope. Nothing."
Does he expect hear something, especially with the change at the top?
"Nope. I didn't last time either (as a free agent two winters ago), not until right at the last minute," he said. "So I don't expect to this time either."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sc-spt-1026-bits-world-series--20121026,0,4268968.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sc-spt-1026-bits-world-series--20121026,0,4268968.story)
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Retaining AJ is a must.
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I concur.
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They need to improve the position. However, the availability of something better at a cheaper price doesnt seem possible. IMHO A.J had an outstanding year and should be back
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AJ will cost a bit to bring back. We do need him though.
I am anxious to see how Hahn runs the show.
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Retaining AJ is a must.
Agreed, otherwise it is likely Flowers and Miguel Olivo.
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I would not mind having Olivo as a backup to AJ.
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I would not mind having Olivo as a backup to AJ.
I would agree with that. But the staff loves how Flowers handles the pitchers, and they like his power. Olivo would be too expensive as a backup, as he is a FA.
It will be AJ and Flowers as a unit, or it would be Olivo and Flowers (no LH hitter then). After reading some of the raves about Flowers, I would not doubt if they end up going with Flowers and a young unknown backup.
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Flowers is fine.
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I'm OK with Flowers, if only for the sheer number of metaphors that will be coming our way... though I'd love to see AJ retire in a Sox uniform.
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Flowers is fine.
Seriously?
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As a backup to AJ? Absolutely. He throws runners out and hits the occasional HR.
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I'd perfer a catcher who hit better than Flowers. I too would be fine with Olivo. Seems to me I recall we have another catcher moving up the ladder in the minors the organization is high on.
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As a backup to AJ? Absolutely. He throws runners out and hits the occasional HR.
OK, I thought you meant as the starter if AJ left. Sorry.
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Phegley needs one more year in AA I would imagine. No one else close to being ready and no one that they are real up on. Blanke was high A and Kevan Smith was low A I think. Maybe one of them could come thru.
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Peavy re-signed. 2 years, $29 million. Yay!
Floyd is also back. His $9.5 million option was picked up. Yay? Trade Bait?
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Options declined on Youk & Myers. Okay by me.
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Peavy re-signed. 2 years, $29 million. Yay!
Floyd is also back. His $9.5 million option was picked up. Yay? Trade Bait?
Excellent. Now we still have our #2 and I think Floyd is going to be solid, he looked good once he was feeling good at end of year. No way we can count on Danks, typically takes 2 years to recover from these injuries. Also cannot count on Quintana, he may have been a 1/2 year wonder.
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Options declined on Youk & Myers. Okay by me.
Agreed. I did like Myers however, but we have young arms, and I think he wants to start.
Another reason I like Peavy and Floyd, prior to that we were looking at 4 LH starters with Sale, Danks, Santiago and Quintana.
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I am absolutely stunned that Peavy re-upped. I would have bet my left nut he would go to NL again.
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I'm guessing the Yankees will try to sign AJ Pierzynski. Russell Martin, the Yankees starting catcher, is also a free agent and he was paid $7.5 million in 2012 while Pierzynski only was paid $8 million over two years. Martin's numbers of .211 / .311 / .403 with 21 Hrs and 53 RBI pale in comparison to AJ's .278 / .326 / .501 with 27 Hrs and 77 RBI. Especially with the likelihood that the Yankees are prepared to let Nick Swisher leave in free agency. AJ's power numbers and that short right field porch should be appealing to both AJ and the Yankees. Defensively, AJ's numbers were also better than Martin's in 2012.
I think if the White Sox try to low ball AJ or take him for granted, the short Yankee Stadium porch, the chance to play for a team that will spare no expense to field a definite contender, being able to be near home for Spring Training and a 2 year/$12-14 million offer will be too much to turn down. I'm guessing it's a 50/50 chance that AJ will be playing in the Bronx next season.
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Interesting thought... Swisher out, AJ in... get rid of one clubhouse jerk, add another...
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If I have to choose between deuchy players, I'll go AJ over "Bro up in your face" Swisher every time. That being said, I'm not so sure about how actual teammates feel about AJ. . .have read some negative things from guys (the whole Deadspin piece or wherever it was), but plenty of guys on teams would likely be happy to have someone with his authority, knowledge, and craftiness back there.
I realize some teammates don't love him, but most of the hate comes from the opposition. I will take that. I've been on teams with an azzhole, but I wasn't always averse to that. They had their function.
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I agree with Jeter on both AJ and Swisher.
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I'd be much happier if it was AJ. I admit to being surprised about Peavy...
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As a backup to AJ? Absolutely. He throws runners out and hits the occasional HR.
OK, I thought you meant as the starter if AJ left. Sorry.
My fault. I was responding to Rule. I didn't even see that you responded.
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I too would like to see AJ back next year, the problem is the year or two after that. He will get a three year contract, and signing with the Yankees will only help his exposure with the broadcast media markets for his second career.
I am shocked at Peavy accepting a two year deal at $14.5 per. This is a weak free agent year for starting pitchers, and I think he could have done far better. But I am not complaining.
As for Flowers, I'm happy with him playing a but more next year, what about Brian McCann?
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I too would like to see AJ back next year, the problem is the year or two after that. He will get a three year contract, and signing with the Yankees will only help his exposure with the broadcast media markets for his second career.
I am shocked at Peavy accepting a two year deal at $14.5 per. This is a weak free agent year for starting pitchers, and I think he could have done far better. But I am not complaining.
As for Flowers, I'm happy with him playing a but more next year, what about Brian McCann?
The Braves picked up his $12 million option earlier today.
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Just read that. Are there any more left hand bats at catcher out there?
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Just read that. Are there any more left hand bats at catcher out there?
Only Brian Schneider of the Phillies and he sucks. Unless someone else is non-tendered soon.
list of potential free agents:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=177 (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=177)
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Peavy re-signed. 2 years, $29 million. Yay!
Floyd is also back. His $9.5 million option was picked up. Yay? Trade Bait?
Possibly, I could see that happening.
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25 Million in new money for Peavy... good deal for both parties...
I didnt see them picking up the option on Floyd.... Shields makes 9 million this year... we can find a better RH starter for cheaper then 9.5.
I hop AJ has noticed JR's loyalty to players and gives us a discount.
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Would also love to see Sox pick up JP Howell to replace Myers.
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Although AJ isn't homegrown, he should be a Sox "lifer" -- like Buehrle, Thomas, Baines, et. al. SHOULD have been. AJ has roots with this team and its fan base, and it'll be another bummer for me if they let him walk without making a honest effort to re-sign him.
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FWIW, stolen from a post at WSI:
Talking about Mark Gonzalez....
Chicago Tribune Live! finally decided to have him appear . Had thoughts on everything that happened:
1. Very, VERY surprised Peavy stayed. Said his agent was going to explore the market because it was Jake's first time. Said Peavy is a good guy and this is a win-win deal for both considering what guys like Lohse and Greinke are going to get.
2. Doesn't see the Sox being involved in free agency. Said they'll fill holes for next season via trade route. Mentioned Floyd might still go.
3. Youk he said could be back but probably not, family lives on West Coast and that's where he's looking to.
4. Said chances are "slim and none" the Sox bring AJ back. Said it will be Flowers and a left handed hitting catcher acquired in some other fashion. Said only shot AJ comes back is if he agrees to a one-year deal.
5. Moves today show Sox are in it to win again next season, not rebuild.
6. Hahn will be allowed to 'be his own man' as a GM and not have to answer to Kenny for every little thing.
7. Didn't say a thing about Liriano or Myers.
Kaplan talked about how he thinks the Royals will "contend" next season by acquiring two pitchers. Gonzo and the rest of the panel looked at him like he was insane. Defended comment by saying "David Glass the owner said he's going to open the checkbook." Gonzo replied, "to try to get the pitchers they need they'll have to trade either Hosmer or Moustakis or Butler."
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Doesn't see the Sox being involved in free agency. Said they'll fill holes for next season via trade route. Mentioned Floyd might still go.
Sounds about right. If they did go after a FA it'd be come January or just before Soxfest and it would be at bargain basement prices. As for Floyd, the Sox would have to figure that they are bettering themselves with a trade because the staff is very thin as it is.
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I too would like to see AJ back next year, the problem is the year or two after that. He will get a three year contract, and signing with the Yankees will only help his exposure with the broadcast media markets for his second career.
I am shocked at Peavy accepting a two year deal at $14.5 per. This is a weak free agent year for starting pitchers, and I think he could have done far better. But I am not complaining.
As for Flowers, I'm happy with him playing a but more next year, what about Brian McCann?
Juan, only thing I can figure is Jake actually appreciated the Sox standing by him when he had the strange shoulder ailment etc... Not often a player will do that. I have a bit more respect for Jake than I did a week ago.
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I am ok with Floyd. If we trade him we better get another RH pitcher somewhere. I do NOT want 4 LH starting pitchers. We would get torched by all the teams overloaded with RH hitting, which is the majority of teams.
We tried 4 LH starters once long ago, Kravec, Trout, Baumgarten and Wortham. Teams get that timing down and you are toast. Much, much easier to go with 4 RH starters, that you can more likely get away with.
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Isn't Edwin Jackson FA? Royals could sign him and Brett Myers. Myers wants to start and has the resume to do it.
He'll be cheap and worst-case scenario, he ends up a lefty out of the pen, which he's been good at.
Just because the biggest names aren't on the market doesn't mean Royals won't be able to contend. They're not that far away.
Tiggers and Sox aren't impressing anyone with dominating talent.
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FWIW, stolen from a post at WSI:
Talking about Mark Gonzalez....
Chicago Tribune Live! finally decided to have him appear . Had thoughts on everything that happened:
1. Very, VERY surprised Peavy stayed. Said his agent was going to explore the market because it was Jake's first time. Said Peavy is a good guy and this is a win-win deal for both considering what guys like Lohse and Greinke are going to get.
2. Doesn't see the Sox being involved in free agency. Said they'll fill holes for next season via trade route. Mentioned Floyd might still go.
3. Youk he said could be back but probably not, family lives on West Coast and that's where he's looking to.
4. Said chances are "slim and none" the Sox bring AJ back. Said it will be Flowers and a left handed hitting catcher acquired in some other fashion. Said only shot AJ comes back is if he agrees to a one-year deal.
5. Moves today show Sox are in it to win again next season, not rebuild.
6. Hahn will be allowed to 'be his own man' as a GM and not have to answer to Kenny for every little thing.
7. Didn't say a thing about Liriano or Myers.
Kaplan talked about how he thinks the Royals will "contend" next season by acquiring two pitchers. Gonzo and the rest of the panel looked at him like he was insane. Defended comment by saying "David Glass the owner said he's going to open the checkbook." Gonzo replied, "to try to get the pitchers they need they'll have to trade either Hosmer or Moustakis or Butler."
Letting AJ go and promoting Flowers to the every day catcher doesn't seem like a team that's 'in it to win again".
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Isn't Edwin Jackson FA? Royals could sign him and Brett Myers. Myers wants to start and has the resume to do it.
He'll be cheap and worst-case scenario, he ends up a lefty out of the pen, which he's been good at.
Just because the biggest names aren't on the market doesn't mean Royals won't be able to contend. They're not that far away.
Tiggers and Sox aren't impressing anyone with dominating talent.
Myers is a RH, but I agree, he is very serviceable. I liked him as a setup man.
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I say we sign AJ on Friday, or maybe Thursday night. That is what happened last time.
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Sounds about right. If they did go after a FA it'd be come January or just before Soxfest and it would be at bargain basement prices. As for Floyd, the Sox would have to figure that they are bettering themselves with a trade because the staff is very thin as it is.
Time to start counting downflthinking's doom and gloom posts
MSF I agree with your thoughts on Peavy, it had to be that and I respect him more now too.
On AJ, he's been my favorite player for years, and still is, but I do think the years will soon catch up on him, and its all about the years. I don't want to see a 3 year contract for a catcher his age. Buehrle will come back in some capacity eventually, and if AJ leaves so will he, just as Baines and Robin and others did. Putting it another way, how many are willing to pay $21 million or more for 3 years, if that is what it takes?
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Juan, could Mikey Morse be pried from the Nats? He would be able to play 3B I would imagine.
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Yes, he could be pried for Matt Thornton, and maybe a prospect, but not only can he not play 3rd, he can't play defense period. He's turned into a beast (that's his nickname here) and he sure is that in the field. If the Nats resign LaRoche, they have already admitted they will look to trade Morse.
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downflthinking
How about WoeflThinking?
how many are willing to pay $21 million or more for 3 years, if that is what it takes?
Of Reinsdorf's money? I'd do that. Of mine? Pass...
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Post of the night!!!
WoeflThinking it is, and it ain't my money!
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Royals didn't get Edwin....they got Ervin:
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/8577812/ervin-santana-traded-kansas-city-royals-los-angeles-angels
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Yes, he could be pried for Matt Thornton, and maybe a prospect, but not only can he not play 3rd, he can't play defense period. He's turned into a beast (that's his nickname here) and he sure is that in the field. If the Nats resign LaRoche, they have already admitted they will look to trade Morse.
OK, he has bulked up, I recall when he got caught on roids when in our minor league system. Since he was a SS when he was with us I thought maybe he could play 3B. Wish Viciedo could play 3B, that is what he was in Cuba.
Remember Rex Hudler from Birmingham, he loved him some Mikey Mo (that is what he called Morse). He said Morse would make it and Brian Anderson would not due to desire. Guess he was correct.
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Sounds about right. If they did go after a FA it'd be come January or just before Soxfest and it would be at bargain basement prices. As for Floyd, the Sox would have to figure that they are bettering themselves with a trade because the staff is very thin as it is.
Time to start counting downflthinking's doom and gloom posts
MSF I agree with your thoughts on Peavy, it had to be that and I respect him more now too.
On AJ, he's been my favorite player for years, and still is, but I do think the years will soon catch up on him, and its all about the years. I don't want to see a 3 year contract for a catcher his age. Buehrle will come back in some capacity eventually, and if AJ leaves so will he, just as Baines and Robin and others did. Putting it another way, how many are willing to pay $21 million or more for 3 years, if that is what it takes?
Hey take your knife out of my back before you run off will ya? I was commenting on what was posted and I dont see anything negative about what I said. Everybody knows that Reinsdorf doesnt want to spend money because he cant get it back with a half-empty park. So we all should know that we arent likely to sign a big expensive FA. Even little Juannie should know that. And as for Floyd I think 9.5 to bring him back is a cheap price considering the going rate, but thats still a lot of moolah and the Sox could still move him if a cheaper priced player somewhere were offered along witth a prospect they liked. But, OTOH I dont expect a deal to be made moving Floyd although I still feel his name hasnt been removed from the "players available list".
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Nats a trying hard to find a veteran late inning lefty specialist in the bullpen. They think the team's pitching staff is too green, following the Storen meltdown in game 5. Great opportunity to unload Thornton, while his value is high.
Three players that hit me as interesting are LH speedy outfielder Roger Bernadina, infielder Steve Lombardozi, and catcher Sandy Leon, latter two are switch hitters.
I like Thornton, but we have several lefty options in the bullpen, and the last several years, our bench role players have been weak.
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I would like to move Thornton, but then we would have a LH hold in our pen. But if we could get something really nice for him I might have to move him anyway.
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I would take Lombardozzi for Thornton in a heartbeat.
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Nats a trying hard to find a veteran late inning lefty specialist in the bullpen. They think the team's pitching staff is too green, following the Storen meltdown in game 5. Great opportunity to unload Thornton, while his value is high.
Three players that hit me as interesting are LH speedy outfielder Roger Bernadina, infielder Steve Lombardozi, and catcher Sandy Leon, latter two are switch hitters.
I like Thornton, but we have several lefty options in the bullpen, and the last several years, our bench role players have been weak.
Lombardozzi is not an upgrade over Beckham. Is Leon considered a top prospect? I'd take the catcher all day
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Hes about even with beckham... still a great bench player.
I love Thorny but if we can get something of value for him time to move on. His salary number is pretty high as well.
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Lombardozzi is a super bench guy who can play all positions except catcher, and play them well, he's a switch hitter. He along with Tyler Moore, helped the Nata stay on top while Werth, Morse, ane Zimmermann were down early in the season. I would give up Thornton for this guy in a heartbeat.
Don't know about Leon's upside. He's third string there, and not a top flight prospect.
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(http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/05/31/Ramirez-soxx-large.jpg)
Wilson names Ramirez White Sox top defender
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 11/05/12 5:39 PM ET
CHICAGO -- Alexei Ramirez was selected as the 2012 White Sox best defensive player during the inaugural Wilson Defensive Player of the Year Awards, announced on Sunday night on MLB Network.
Each club had a winner, while each league was awarded a top defensive player. A best overall defensive team was also chosen. The winners were determined by the detailed statistical analysis of MLB Network's "shredder system," used by Clubhouse Confidential, plus input from MLB Network analysts.
Ramirez, 31, is commonly considered one of the best defensive shortstops in the game, although he has never captured a Rawlings Gold Glove. His 2.4 defensive WAR (wins above replacement) placed him fifth in the American League among position players, trailing only Brendan Ryan, J.J. Hardy, Brett Lawrie and Denard Span. All four of those players also won Wilson awards.
Ramirez's .982 fielding percentage ranked him fifth among AL shortstops, and his 434 assists were second only to Hardy. Other Wilson winners in the AL Central included Austin Jackson, Lorenzo Cain and Jason Kipnis. Mike Trout was the overall AL winner, Michael Bourn was the overall National League winner and the Atlanta Braves ended up as the team winner.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121105&content_id=40177206&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121105&content_id=40177206&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Looks like the White Sox need a new bullpen coach
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/20868768/nieves-expected-to-get-red-sox-pitching-coach-job
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Ray Olmedo's gone?
Don't let the door hit you on your way out, you piece of ****.
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Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
The more I think about it, #WhiteSox in strong position as offseason begins. Figure out C and 3B, maybe add an arm. Good team.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-us-cellular-exiting-chicago-market-20121107,0,6960450.story
US Cellular is exiting the Chicago market, so will they change naming rights?
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WhiteSox in strong position as offseason begins. Figure out C and 3B, maybe add an arm. Good team.
If they focus on defense and fundamentals again, I totally agree. And hopefully resigning AJ takes care of the C position.
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Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.
We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.
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Poor web development by create a forum... if one edits a post with a censored word, they do not retain the original text.
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White Sox shuffle scouting department:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-scouts-changes-20121106,0,1139409.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-scouts-changes-20121106,0,1139409.story)
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Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.
We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.
Method. after this past year being in first place most of the year then losing at the end. I would rather go in a new direction, even if it meant we didn't contend next year.
Re-signing Youk and AJ will put us over the salary cap JR has set (wish we were owned by Ilich), and we would be back to where we were last year, maybe worse with the Tigers getting better. I'd rather see lots of creative trades, getting rid of Dunn, Rios, Beckham, Floyd, and others, for as much as we can get back in return.
Who is T****?
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Thornton
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Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.
We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.
Method. after this past year being in first place most of the year then losing at the end. I would rather go in a new direction, even if it meant we didn't contend next year.
Re-signing Youk and AJ will put us over the salary cap JR has set (wish we were owned by Ilich), and we would be back to where we were last year, maybe worse with the Tigers getting better. I'd rather see lots of creative trades, getting rid of Dunn, Rios, Beckham, Floyd, and others, for as much as we can get back in return.
Who is T****?
An educated guess is Thornton. Method probably wrote 'Th0rny' which is banned by CAF due to 'h o r n y' being part of the word. Similar to Joe Adcock (Adc0ck) being censored due to the four letters c o c k being part of his name.
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Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.
We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.
Method. after this past year being in first place most of the year then losing at the end. I would rather go in a new direction, even if it meant we didn't contend next year.
Re-signing Youk and AJ will put us over the salary cap JR has set (wish we were owned by Ilich), and we would be back to where we were last year, maybe worse with the Tigers getting better. I'd rather see lots of creative trades, getting rid of Dunn, Rios, Beckham, Floyd, and others, for as much as we can get back in return.
Who is T****?
You sir are preaching to the choir... but this isnt going to happen... i wanted this a year ago.. I'm all for dumping the likes of rios/dunn et al... lets use Dayan and Beckham as trade bait and rebuild as well.
That is not how this team is going to move foward... Lets go for it again this year... Central is there for the taking... build a pitching staff that can win and go for it one more time!
If i am not mistaken you were all for asking why we shouldnt have kept rios this past year! he was AWESOME!
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Then it should have been T*******
Like I said before Nats would go for Thornton bigtime.
How about Tyler Moore in return?
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NO team is taking Dunn of our hands...
Becks has more value to us then anyone else.
Rios... well.. who knows what he will do... other then earn a **** ton of money on the sox dime. I do believe some of us were wishing he was traded during the season and you mentioned wanting him over MB?
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Rios over Burly? I don't recall that
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Unless the White Sox step up quickly, AJ's White Sox career is over. The odds of him returning is slim to none. There will not be any last minute 'home town discount' this time. He wants a minimum two year contract for over $6 Million @ year for which will probably be his last major league contract. According to WSCR, that's what he's telling everyone.
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How about Tyler Moore in return?
I'd go for Mary Tyler Moore! Back in the day -- hubba!
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Rios over Burly? I don't recall that
Believe you asked me if i'd rather have Rios this year... or MB...
I mentioned that i'd always rather spend the $$$ on pitching.
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In searching the forums i couldnt find the post i did find my response thought... I recollect you specifically asking me if i'd rather have dunn/rios or MB on the 2012 sox... the answer today is the same it was then... I'd rather have the P
Re: Today's Game - 2012
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hmmm... i suggest Santos... more qualified then any of the others healthy or not.
Reed has good stuff... but we're a playoff team with a rookie closer not named Kimbrel...
You keep offering me these choices with the benefit of hindsight...
Rios/Dunn or MB... (regardless of prior costing 2x as much as MB)
Reed or the misfits we have assembled...
McDougal or Thornton...
I am not really sure what you are looking for...
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Rios had an excellent season last year, but it seems he is a one year on and one year off. His value should be high after this season. Maybe it is time to trade him. I thought this was his last year on his contract or is it next year?
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Unless the White Sox step up quickly, AJ's White Sox career is over. The odds of him returning is slim to none. There will not be any last minute 'home town discount' this time. He wants a minimum two year contract for over $6 Million @ year for which will probably be his last major league contract. According to WSCR, that's what he's telling everyone.
Give it to him. What he brings to the club cannot be overestimated. The fire, the will to win, the experience behind the plate, his handling of pitchers, the fact that he often psyches-out the competition, his smart way of playing the game... these are all pluses that we will not duplicate with another catcher.
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How about Tyler Moore in return?
I'd go for Mary Tyler Moore! Back in the day -- hubba!
Someone actually named their kid Tyler Moore?
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I love to watch reruns of Mary Tyler Moore.
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I am not really sure what you are looking for...
I'm not looking for a thing and I'm not sure what you're rambling about
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the schedule at whitesox.com has the sox playing in Milwaukee the Fri & Sat before opening day, fwiw
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Was not sure where to post this one. Got my hard copy of the newest Baseball America. Nice looking headline under the PLUS section of the cover.
Taking a Closer Look at White Sox Knack for Developing Pitchers
This is what I have said all along, we have a knack. It starts with guys like Kirk Champion and Curt Hasler, both whom have overseen our minor league system as well as some of our long time minor league pitching coaches like JR Perdew and Richard Dotson. I think Dotson has been doing it for 11 years, the others longer in our system. That stability is such a key.
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the schedule at whitesox.com has the sox playing in Milwaukee the Fri & Sat before opening day, fwiw
hmm, let me get back to you on the FWIW
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Taking a Closer Look at White Sox Knack for Developing Pitchers
If only they could develop a few posistion players....
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We have a few coming up, Hawkins, Thompson, Sanchez.
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We've always had "a few coming up."
When was the last time we've had an impact home grown player?
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Chris Sale?
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Meant to say "position player."
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We've always had "a few coming up."
When was the last time we've had an impact home grown player?
Before Sale, Gio Gonzalez, Chris Carter, Dan Hudson, Chris Young. Does not mean we keep em all, we can use them in trades too. I would consider Nathan Jones and Santiago possible impact players.
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Meant to say "position player."
Rowand & Crede.
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Thats a long time back.
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85 days until pitchers & catchers report:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-white-sox-open-spring-training-feb-12-first-exhibition-game-feb-23-20121119,0,4743032.story
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85 days until pitchers & catchers report:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-white-sox-open-spring-training-feb-12-first-exhibition-game-feb-23-20121119,0,4743032.story
Way to be on top of it big guy!!
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Andre Rienzo, Santos Rodriguez, Jared Mitchell and Josh Phegley are expected to be placed on the 40-man roster, which will be set later Tuesday. Carlos Sanchez and Trayce Thompson are not required to be placed on the 40-man roster. The Sox's 40-man roster stands at 34.
Bobby Thigpen, Richard Dotson, Curt Hasler, J.R. Perdew and Mark Salas are under consideration for the bullpen coach's job.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-top-prospects-carlos-sanchez-and-trayce-thompson-not-required-to-be-placed-on-20121120,0,7812497.story
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Thought Salas was already bullpen coach?
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He's the bullpen catcher, no?
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Andre Rienzo, Santos Rodriguez, Jared Mitchell and Josh Phegley are expected to be placed on the 40-man roster, which will be set later Tuesday. Carlos Sanchez and Trayce Thompson are not required to be placed on the 40-man roster. The Sox's 40-man roster stands at 34.
Bobby Thigpen, Richard Dotson, Curt Hasler, J.R. Perdew and Mark Salas are under consideration for the bullpen coach's job.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-top-prospects-carlos-sanchez-and-trayce-thompson-not-required-to-be-placed-on-20121120,0,7812497.story
Sounds like Charlie Shirek also added, so room for 1 FA at this time.
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Dewayne Wise - he re-signed
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I sure hope he's insurance/backup
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Dewayne Wise - he re-signed
Good insurance policy. He can help when he is called on
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Forgot to mention, signing Wise fills up our 40-man roster at this point.
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The Chicago White Sox named Daryl Boston as their first base coach and Bobby Thigpen as bullpen coach while shifting first base coach Harold Baines to the newly created position of assistant hitting coach.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-daryl-boston-bobby-thigpen-named-to-coaching-staff-20121127,0,2697453.story
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Harold Baines to the newly created position of assistant hitting coach..
Heh, our hitting is so bad that we need 2 hitting coaches now!
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Thats a gas.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMuQCoMgCxI
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I see this week is the winter meetings. Lets hope some of our team problems get solved this week by a couple of trades.
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The winter meetings are next week... Dec 3-6 IIRC.
I think this Friday is the "Non-Tender" deadline, so some addition guys will become available. I am expecting Humber to be one of them.
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You are right, and I knew it. It begins Monday. Sorry. I dont know what made me post that, maybe I just wanted some trades to happen so badly
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HAH!!! I really enjoyed that post Wshfl...
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Glad it tickled your funny bone
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White Sox tempted to promote prospect Sanchez
http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-tempted-to-promote-prospect-Sa?blockID=807305&feedID=7139&utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=63a8325f9f-Daily+CSNChicago.com+E-Blast&utm_medium=email
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The move to make might be to bring up Sanchez and move Beckham to 3B
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I'd rather keep Sanchez down for a year and sign a 3Bman like Youk.
If Sanchez shows he can handle a full load at AAA, then demote Beckham to the bench.
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Nats are talking about going after Grienke, now that they got Span. It's so refreshing to root for a team where a team payroll cap is never the issue. With JR and KW we hear of this every year, and accept it. Did they ever think that if they built a winner with a higher payroll, that the added attendance would easily cover the extra costs?
If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.
Cheapskate JR is the problem.
Is Edward DeBartelo still alive?
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Nats are talking about going after Grienke, now that they got Span. It's so refreshing to root for a team where a team payroll cap is never the issue. With JR and KW we hear of this every year, and accept it. Did they ever think that if they built a winner with a higher payroll, that the added attendance would easily cover the extra costs?
If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.
Cheapskate JR is the problem.
Is Edward DeBartelo still alive?
I have been asking for that for years. I like JR and some of the things they do, but this budget stuff is for the birds.
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I like JR and some of the things they do, but this budget stuff is for the birds.
Especially when you're in a 2-team town and your team is the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay distant 2nd in popularity. You kind of need to do a little more to make your team stand out and force people to take notice of you.
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If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.
The team was in first place most of the 2012 season and no one showed up. I can understand ownership's hesitation regarding wanton spending.
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So did Youkilis add to the attendance? No. Adding better players doesnt necessarily increase attendance. I think the economy was the biggest factor as well as the skepticism of the fans that hindered attendance this year
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White Sox tempted to promote prospect Sanchez
http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-tempted-to-promote-prospect-Sa?blockID=807305&feedID=7139&utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=63a8325f9f-Daily+CSNChicago.com+E-Blast&utm_medium=email
I hate tools like Dan Hayes. He implies they are thinking of promoting him when in fact they have no intention. Budget conscious? What team isn't? But it's the Coo who are now the major Scrooges in town
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If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.
The team was in first place most of the 2012 season and no one showed up. I can understand ownership's hesitation regarding wanton spending.
Actually, there is evidence that 4 people made it to the park last season. Anecdotal but still seems likely.
That said, they were never great, never super exciting and though they have tons more personality type players than the Cub, no one really dynamic that you want to go see play.
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Nats are talking about going after Grienke, now that they got Span. It's so refreshing to root for a team where a team payroll cap is never the issue. With JR and KW we hear of this every year, and accept it. Did they ever think that if they built a winner with a higher payroll, that the added attendance would easily cover the extra costs?
If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.
Cheapskate JR is the problem.
Is Edward DeBartelo still alive?
I have been asking for that for years. I like JR and some of the things they do, but this budget stuff is for the birds.
JR is rich, but he's not THAT rich. Not Rickett's rich. He's taken the payroll up recently and it hasn't worked too well. Guessing if they could add a VERY good player they would add a lot.
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and though they have tons more personality type players than the Cub, no one really dynamic that you want to go see play.
The Cubs have Anthony Rizzo. We can't compete with that. And just wait til it's time for them to bring up Soler, Almora and Baez! If there's one good thing the Cubs/media are good at, it's being a marketing machine.
In all seriousness, the Sox just can't compete with the Cubs right now in terms of popularity so they need to win big consistently in order to change the tides. It doesn't matter if the team wasn't "all that great" last year. A first place team late in September should be drawing big crowds and have a buzz about them. I can understand ownership's frustration to a degree.
They are taking steps to make things more fan friendly but lowering ticket prices alone isn't going to make them start selling out the park.
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Yeah, why don't we go after the top FAs like Adam Dunn or try to trade for former Cy Young winners like Jake Peavy?
We should show some balls and spend a little money when all-star talent like Alex Rios come available on waivers.
This avoiding salaries crap sucks....
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Of course, the flip side is if we sign the big dollar guys and they don't produce as much as we thought, then we have to crab-a$$ about why we waste so much money...
I'm here all week. Pick a tune and sing it already. In the meantime, I like where we sit. Our pitching looks very good.
We have a couple holes to fill, but that's better than most teams. The Nationals didn't get good by buying FAs.
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I'm not sure what the Cubs have to do with any of this. It's not like the Sox are going to convert Cub fans and get their dollar. They need to get the people who are Sox fans (or are indifferent) who stayed home last season to show up.
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I'm not sure what the Cubs have to do with any of this.
I think Shoe brought them up because anytime the Sox are discussed in baseball terms of anything, it's easy to compare them to the other team in town who draws fans like flies without the benefit of needing to field a winning team (at least in years past).
No one is advocating trying to turn Cub fans into Sox fans. It's a question of how can we consistently sell out our baseball games? Chicago is a huge city. The Cubs do it, why can't we? It's a natural comparison.
They need to get the people who are Sox fans (or are indifferent) who stayed home last season to show up.
Which the org is trying to do by lowering prices, to which I said that alone won't do it (imo).
My point was that the Cubs are the Cubs and we can't compete with their popularity unless we win consistently. And to win consistently we might need to increase our budget more than ownership likes.
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It is what it is, Sox are the 2-dog in town but they are my favorites. I realize JR is not as rich as Ricketts, but I agree with whomever said you have to spend money to get better before anyone else is going to come to the park. I guess I will continue to love the Sox as well as hate the Cubs for being more popular than my team
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I'd say it's looking bleak at this point for the 2013 Sox. Is Hahn going to continue with Kenny's MO of getting just enough talent to keep fans somewhat interested, but not enough talent to go through the playoffs?
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Fury, not sure where you think we will get the money for a big haul.
I saw on mlb that the top 6 teams in spending are now
Dodgers (215M)
Yankees (185M)
RedSox
Phillies
Angels
Tigers
I think the other 4 are all around 150M. They also expect the Cubs to break into the top 6 within a year or two. Sure wish we could, as SoxRule has also been wishing we could play on an equal playing board with the others.
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We were in the top six 2-3 years ago. It guarantees nothing...
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So what you are all saying is: don't expect another World Series win within our lifetimes. Got it.
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Lots of coaching moves...and Shirek has gone to conquer Asia:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-burns-law-chicago-white-sox-20121218,0,3572120.story
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Lots of coaching moves...and Shirek has gone to conquer Asia:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-burns-law-chicago-white-sox-20121218,0,3572120.story
Just saw my dental hygienist today, she is Shirek's aunt, I asked about the rumor (at the time I had not seen that he had gone) and she said she knew nothing about it and their families talk weekly, heh
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my dental hygienist... is Shirek's aunt
That is so funny-yet-cool on so many levels...
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LaRussa to be at SoxFest:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-tony-la-russa-soxfest-20121226,0,7894268.story
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LaRussa to be at SoxFest:
Jeez. Overrated, master of the four-hour ball game.
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The White Sox have extended non-roster spring training invitations to 13 "prospects" and seven "recently signed scrap heap guys": right-handed pitchers Jeff Gray and Ramon Troncoso, left-hander David Purcey, catcher Bryan Anderson, infielders Josh Bell and Steve Tolleson and outfielder Stefan Gartrell.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-spring-training-20130110,0,6809709.story
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Didn't realize Sanchez was a pitcher, man that kid can do it all...
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Thanks Blackie, I did not have Josh Bell nor Stefan Gartrell on my rosters. They will both help Charlotte quite a bit, good hitters in the minors. Bell could be a candidate for 3B, likely not, but off his hitting numbers throughout the minors, he has been consistently good. From Rockford too.
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worth a read:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/1/10/3862502/whos-who-among-white-sox-non-roster-spring-training-invitees
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worth a read:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/1/10/3862502/whos-who-among-white-sox-non-roster-spring-training-invitees
Gracias Amigo
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That was real impressive
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Josh bell was highly Tought of within the orioles org not long ago
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(http://s3.amazonaws.com/cmi-niche/gallery_photos/12860/images/slideshow_std_h_ZoraidaSambolinKennyWilliamsCourtesySteveStar.jpg?1305064221)
White Sox VP Williams Gets Engaged
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/white-sox-vp-williams-gets-engaged/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/white-sox-vp-williams-gets-engaged/)
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I see KWs ex stepson is having some problems.
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I see KWs ex stepson is having some problems.
Ken Williams’ former stepson charged with sexual assault
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17572013-418/ken-williams-former-stepson-charged-with-sexual-assault.html (http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17572013-418/ken-williams-former-stepson-charged-with-sexual-assault.html)
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They are going to wear 1983 throwbacks on Sundays this year. Ugh.
I'd prefer that they wear 1993 throwbacks.
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Beckham & DeAza signed deals, avoid arbitration.
Beckham will earn $2.925 million, a healthy raise from his $520,000 salary in 2012. De Aza's salary will jump from $495,000 to $2.075 million.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-gordon-beckham-agrees-to-oneyear-2925-million-contract-20130118,0,982633.story
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Seems good to me:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/white-sox-agree-to-sign-matt-lindstrom.html
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Sure cant hurt. Another hard thrower in the bullpen is always a good thing. ;D
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I'd prefer that they wear 1993 throwbacks
Or 1953
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From Jeff Passan:
"This is what Backloaded Contract Hell looks like, " in reference to the payroll up quite a bit but with no new major acquisitions. Whose contract is backloaded?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no--18-white-sox--chicago-hard-pressed-to-prove-last-season-s-surprising-run-wasn-t-a-fluke-215701921.html
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Hector Santiago visits Newton, CT:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8865838/chicago-white-sox-pitcher-hector-santiago-visits-newtown
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Danks goes from 2 million to almost 16 million, Dunn goes up 1 million, Rios 500K. Pauly goes up 1.5 million but 7 million is deferred so not sure how that is counted
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Something to read:
http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/Sox-Drawer---Hahn-Were-not-done?blockID=826065&feedID=10338
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Hooray!
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Hector Santiago visits Newton, CT:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8865838/chicago-white-sox-pitcher-hector-santiago-visits-newtown
Kind of goes along with the image I had of him as being a good guy.
For the few games my parents / brother went to last year, he was always signing autographs all the way up until the first pitch, and he went out of his way on a few occasions to make sure that some of the younger fans were taken care of.
He was also tossing sunflower seeds to people in the stands.
Seems like an all around good guy... the anti-Thome.
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Thought this was interesting:
In Flowers, the team not only has a player who is projected to be a better hitter by Bill James, but also the better defender. Last season, Flowers was more than six runs better defensively than Pierzynski by one measure, and that was with Pierzynski playing three times as much. With more time, Flowers should be a huge asset, and could end up a top-10 catcher defensively.
http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=87369&view=findpost&p=2753746
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While I hope that proves out to be true, I just didnt see that out of him enough to believe it'll be true. Catcher has always been a power position and I dont see that out of Flowers.
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Power is the only thing I see out of Flowers.
I see a .230 hitter, .320ish OBP, and 20 home runs.
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Just my opinion but 20 is very average, its a norm.
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Thought this was interesting:
In Flowers, the team not only has a player who is projected to be a better hitter by Bill James, but also the better defender. Last season, Flowers was more than six runs better defensively than Pierzynski by one measure, and that was with Pierzynski playing three times as much. With more time, Flowers should be a huge asset, and could end up a top-10 catcher defensively.
http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=87369&view=findpost&p=2753746
I'd like to see some archived Bill James predictions on other 'major change' in starting personnel. Like the Karkovice replacing Fisk as the starting catcher back in the mid-80s.
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While I am certainly in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp, I was surprised that someone as relatively knowledgable as Bill James thought he'd be a better hitter than AJ. That's all.
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Just my opinion but 20 is very average, its a norm.
Before last year, which was a fluke, AJ averaged 12 homers/year over his previous ten seasons.
I'll be fine if Flowers produces what JoeC projects.... lower average, same OBP, but more power & much better defense at a much lower cost than AJ.
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Sox will televise six exhibition games, starting with March 15 game vs. Cubs on WGN. Other five on Comcast SportsNet
https://twitter.com/MDGonzales
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Blackie, pretty sure James uses OBP heavily, and Flowers should have a better OBP than AJP, unless he cannot get his average over Mendoza level. I know he has power, thought that was pretty evident. Just surprised by his D, he never was considered a good defensive catcher when we traded for him.
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I think his defense is "good" in a relative sense, as in compared to AJ's.
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Blackie nails it
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Well, I never thought AJ killed us with his D. He seemed to be real good blocking balls in the dirt, he manned the plate well on plays at home. He lacked the arm to prevent teams like Minny from running wild on us, that was his big problem. Maybe the pitchers like the handling by Flowers, I know Peavy did.
But these guys are saying he is much more than AJ, sounds like Thurman Munson from those reports.
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In today's Trib, Ventura hints that he may wait until ~ March 7 to have Sale, Qunitana, and Danks make their first spring training appearance in order to preserve their arms for the regular season.
Seems like a plan to me.
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Add Peavy to the list, Please.
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In the Trib today there is an article in which the Sox want to rework the lineup to reduce strikeouts. That is all good stuff, but thus far we have brought in Keppinger to replace Youkilis, Kepp will strike out less, but Youk did not K a ton. Then we replace AJP with Flowers, and I will tell you right now, if Flowers bats 500 times he will K 150 times, and that is like 4 times what AJP struck out.
So, I agree with their premise, but man, lets see you back up that talk.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/13214/edgy-flowers-ready-to-produce#more
Edgy Flowers ready to produce
“I’m not A.J.,” he said. “I’m going to strike out more than A.J., so we can go ahead and get over that. I’m not worried about striking out or statistics to be honest with you. I hope the statistics look good at the end of the year, but the biggest thing is catching and handling the staff. For me, hitting .300 isn’t going to help us win as much as it is me doing my job behind the plate working with the pitchers. If we give up zero runs, we have a pretty good chance of winning that game.”
Oh yeah?
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http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/13214/edgy-flowers-ready-to-produce#more
Edgy Flowers ready to produce
“I’m not A.J.,” he said. “I’m going to strike out more than A.J., so we can go ahead and get over that. I’m not worried about striking out or statistics to be honest with you. I hope the statistics look good at the end of the year, but the biggest thing is catching and handling the staff. For me, hitting .300 isn’t going to help us win as much as it is me doing my job behind the plate working with the pitchers. If we give up zero runs, we have a pretty good chance of winning that game.”
Oh yeah?
(http://thegoldensombrero.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tylerflowersgoldensombrero.jpg)
real world translation of Flowers quote:
"I'm going to suck offensively as my batting average will hover at the Mendoza line and I'll battle Adam Dunn to see who strikeouts at a higher rate but hopefully my defense will compensate for the gaping hole my promotion to the starting catcher will create in the batting order."
In other words, Karkovice 2.0.
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They are wasting the last open slot on the 40-man for this guy?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/white-sox-claim-lars-anderson.html
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Scouting Report: Tall left-handed hitter with well, filled out frame. Smooth swing. Demonstrates strong patience at the plate, comfortably working counts to get offerings to drive. Brings a plan to the plate and has knowledge of his strike zone. Lets the ball get deep on him and hits inside of the baseball. Extends well with his arms to drive ball to opposite field. Struggles with breaking balls, which leads to swings-and-misses and weak contact on the ground. Must improve contact skills to project as an average-to-better hitter for batting average at the big league level. Despite plus raw power, has trouble pulling the ball with lift. Swing shows too much hook and lacks leverage due to looping hands during swing load. Struggles to get good wood on inside fastballs. Average-to-solid-average home run projection at big league level. Below-average speed. Defense around the first base bag has improved the last two seasons. Has become more sure-handed. Digs throws in the dirt well. Average range. Adequate defensively. Ability to stick on a major league roster heavily tied into offensive production. Needs more consistency with focus and concentration. Projects as an up-and-down major leaguer, with potential to carve role out on a second division team.
Well, I'd say he's found his home...
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LOL
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I recall about 2-3 years ago Bosox claiming this guy was their next Yaz (not in those very words I am sure). They were really touting him, guess he fell off his pedestal.
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What a numbingly mediocre team this is going to be next season...
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I concur.
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I was more optimistic heading into last year than I am this year.
Our pitching still looks competitive, but we really haven't done anything to upgrade our offense.
Right now I could see the same thing happening this year as last,
where we do well until later in the season and then the offense is unable to carry us when the pitching starts tiring.
Not sure where the bats come from, but we better find a few.
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The only hope I have is that Hahn makes some trades during the season.
Otherwise, it's third place, at best.
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But we're in the Central....
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Yep...
1. Detroit (92-70)
2. Cleveland (86-76)
3. Sox (80-82)
4. KC (78-84)
5. Minny (65-97)
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Cleveland sucks, I'm not impressed with their offseason . Choo is gone, starting pitching still a mess there.
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Cleveland sucks, I'm not impressed with their offseason . Choo is gone, starting pitching still a mess there.
Yeah, the luster of their magical 2006 season is all but gone now.
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I agree that Cleveland and the Sox could battle it out to see who tops .500.
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I see KC as more of a threat. Their pitching is still mediocre, but they've added depth.
Their offense won't be an issue.
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Heh:
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/17969912-574/hawk-harrelson-says-chemistry-between-him-steve-stone-will-be-better.html
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I really wish Hawk would just retire. I have a feeling Stone is gone after this year and it would be really nice to have a whole new broadcasting team. I'm tired of both of them!
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I think I'd miss Hawk more than Stoney
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I think I'd miss Hawk more than Stoney
True, but (to me) only because Hawk has been part of the White Sox for such a long time now, whereas Stone has only been here a couple years and doesn't have the passion for the Sox that Hawk obviously has.
Still, I think Hawk is starting to become an embarrassment.
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Personally if Stoney were to remove his shirt for us his undershirt would be Cubby blue. Its just a feeling I have of him. While he is very baseball knowledgeable, I have never been a true fan of his. Eventhough Stoney has burned a lot of bridges over at Clark and Addison it doesnt make him more White Sox.
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Eventhough Stoney has burned a lot of bridges over at Clark and Addison it doesnt make him more White Sox.
I agree, although I also don't feel like he bleeds Cubbie blue either. But he does have more of a history with the Cubs after being part of that org for so long and I'm sure he wants to be a part of it if the cubs ever win the big one (and then his ego will make him feel like he was partly responsible for the victory).
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Oh I definitely think he bleeds Cubbie blue. He is definitely Cubbie inside where it really counts
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Hearing Stoney on the local sports yakker several times over the past couple of years, he seems more than happy to take shots at the Cubs & Cubs org. Methinks he is still a bit bitter about being fired by them.
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I don't think Hawk is an embarrassment.
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Methinks he is still a bit bitter about being fired by them.
Definitely. He wanted to be their GM. But he is still Cubby blue inside.
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Sox and Chris Sale agree to 5-year deal:
Bruce Levine
@ESPNBruceLevine
White Sox will give Chris Sale 35 million with options that could take deal $60 million.
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The Chicago White Sox and left-hander Chris Sale agreed on a five-year, $32.5 million extension Thursday that includes club options for 2018 and 2019.
Sale, 23, will earn $850,000 in 2013, $3.5 million in 2014, $6.0 million in 2015, $9.15 million in 2016 and $12 million in 2017. The White Sox then hold options for 2018 at $12.5 million and for 2019 at $13.5 million. If either option is declined, Sale will receive a $1.0-million buyout.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/07/report-white-sox-sale-agree-on-extension/
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Seems like a good deal to me. Hopefully he (and Danks) earn their money.
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Sale is going to be Cy Young in a few years. Good move.
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It seems to be a fair deal for both sides
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Yep, I am ok with it. Glad to take a chance on a young arm, we never would do that for quite a while. I also appreciate Peavy hanging around and, in my opinion anyway, show us he appreciated us sticking with him so he stuck with us for a deal.
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Shoulda kept Buehrle.
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Agreed
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Probably, but not with the deal he got.
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If toronto sucks this year... we might be able to trade for him.
Like the sale deal... low risk esp since those are Free agent years they are getting with club options.
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Ed Farmer was on the McNeil show last Friday. He had some interesting things to say about AJ & his departure's impact on the team. Let's just say he agrees with BlackSox in that overall it is addition by subtraction... but the stuff about how AJ called pitches (and "cost Quintana a couple of victories") was very intriguing.
I finally got around to looking for the podcast, I believe it is #18 in the link below. Worth a listen.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/670-the-score-interviews/id398083094
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Thank You Blackie!
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Ed Farmer was on the McNeil show last Friday. He had some interesting things to say about AJ & his departure's impact on the team. Let's just say he agrees with BlackSox in that overall it is addition by subtraction... but the stuff about how AJ called pitches (and "cost Quintana a couple of victories") was very intriguing.
I finally got around to looking for the podcast, I believe it is #18 in the link below. Worth a listen.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/670-the-score-interviews/id398083094
The Farmer interview is now #24 on the list.
There is also a pretty good 9-minute interview with Rick Hahn at Blackie's link. Presently it's #11 on the iTunes WSCR interviews list.
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Too early for me to select a Whipping Boy yet, but I tell ya what, if Peavy is no better than "decent", I got my eye on him.
Kessinger could be Canadian Mark Treehorn all over again.
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Kessinger is retired. You mean Keppinger...
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"yeah, F you Jeter, this Keppinger guy couldn't hold my jock. He can barely beat out a guy named Conor..."
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Kessinger is retired. You mean Keppinger...
No, I meant Kessinger. He is Kessinger until he proves he can hit better than Kessinger.
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...until he proves he can hit better than Kessinger.
Or better than Kissinger.
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Kissinger was supposed to be quite the ladies man.
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Hung like Milton Berle?
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Did not hear that, but just heard he really got along with ladies. Maybe he had lots of toys.
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White Sox Offseason in Review:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/03/offseason-in-review-chicago-white-sox.html
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http://deadspin.com/for-once-baseball-has-the-nfl-by-the-short-hairs-456535617
Heh. And I believe the game in question is against the White Sox.
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I read that Robin has pretty much confirmed Axelrod will take Danks' place in the rotation. If it is for 1 or 2 starts it may not be that bad, but if Danks is out for a few months this could get ugly really fast. It is critical that the Sox get off to a good start this year, with the Royals (if ST is any indication) being much improved and most of our games against the Tigers coming in the second half of the season.
We really cannot afford to go every 5 days holding our breath hoping for a win. If we get off to a slow start, what tiny tiny chance we may have had for a good season will be doomed.
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Robin has pretty much confirmed ... that the Sox ... season will be doomed.
Edited your post for you, SoxRule.
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(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2013-02/74412268.jpg)
White Sox RHP Jesse Crain (strained right adductor) had a setback in a minor league outing Wednesday and looks doubtful to make the opening day roster. Brian Omogrosso or Ramon Troncoso are potential replacements in the White Sox bullpen.
read more: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sale-goes-7-innings-white-230555154--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sale-goes-7-innings-white-230555154--mlb.html)
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These commercials are rather lame... but at least they are wacky-lame instead of the usual schmaltzy-lame. Wacky > Schmultzy.
http://www.mlb.com/cws/ticketing/pie.jsp
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Last night is the perfect Peavey (intentional misspelling, deuches- he's makes a lot of noise just like the amps and often a lot of **** comes out of them) example.
Great stuff and always gutsy (whatevs) for 5 innings and his pitch count was up over 90 ALREADY and he proceeded to suck immediately. He remains a Whipping Boy candidate.
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Last night is the perfect Peavey (intentional misspelling, deuches- he's makes a lot of noise just like the amps and often a lot of **** comes out of them) example.
Great stuff and always gutsy (whatevs) for 5 innings and his pitch count was up over 90 ALREADY and he proceeded to suck immediately. He remains a Whipping Boy candidate.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tkbDtgOc6lw/USZq9JEQGQI/AAAAAAAALCE/Kn8oEalkM_Y/s1600/2013ToppsSpring+Fever16JakePeavy.JPG)
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this season's in-game 'entertainment' at the Cell includes:
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Sox retired numbers being moved from the outfield wall to the facade of the Stadium Club:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130328&content_id=43457000&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws
I wonder which sponsors they got to pay for the newly opened up ad space? Whoever it is, their ads better not be fugly. I'd much rather see some sort of LED board take up that real estate, though. Make it functional for sponsors as well as fans.
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Ugh. Why do we have to jump on the stupid stupid minor league races.
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What's even worse is that Pudge, Kitty, and Harold all look like gigantic dildos.
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bandwagon. s/b "stupid minor league races bandwagon"
Why are they wearing dress shoes? And wouldn't it have made more sense to look further back and make one of them shoe-less? Idiots.
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And wouldn't it have made more sense to look further back and make one of them shoe-less?
30 year anniversary of the 1983 Winning ugly championship. You can expect allot of themes from that team all season
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Ugh. That team didn't even get out of the 1st round. Still, what's with the dress shoes?
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Ugh. That team didn't even get out of the 1st round. Still, what's with the dress shoes?
it was a photo-op. They'll be wearing sneakers, like in Milwaukee & Pittsburgh's sausage/pierogi races, during the actual games.
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White Sox make a move on April Fools Day:
White Sox Acquire Lars Anderson
By Zach Links [April 1 at 3:53pm CST]
The White Sox have acquired Lars Anderson from the Blue Jays in exchange for cash considerations, according to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter). Anderson was designated for assignment by Toronto on March 29th to free up room for waiver claims Alex Burnett and Clint Robinson.
Anderson, 25, spent most of the 2012 season at Triple-A, where he posted a .250/.353/.396 batting line in 470 plate appearances. He also has 30 games of big league experience to his credit with the Red Sox from 2010-12.
The first baseman has done his best impression of Carmen Sandiego, having moved around quite a bit this offseason. Anderson went from the Indians to the D'Backs in the three-team Shin-Soo Choo deal and before a series of roster moves led him to the White Sox, then the Blue Jays, and finally back to the White Sox.
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Note to Brooks Boyer - please do something about the hideous collection of ads and announcements on the wall behind home plate. It makes the place look like a AA park. Ugh.
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(http://espn.go.com/photo/2010/0730/mlb_u_cooper11_600.jpg)
Cooper to miss rest of Sox's trip
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 1:30 p.m. CDT, April 11, 2013
WASHINGTON -- Pitching coach Don Cooper will miss the rest of the Chicago White Sox's 10-game trip while he recovers from a bout of diverticulitis.
Cooper, 57, remains hospitalized at Inova Hospital in Arlington, Va. Once Cooper is released, he will return to his offseason home in Nashville to continue his recovery. Cooper has been hospitalized since Tuesday.
Bullpen coach Bobby Thigpen will continue to serve as pitching coach, with bullpen catcher Mark Salas handling Thigpen's duties.
‘The only difference is the simple fact he’s not here," Thigpen said. "We talk every day. We’re going to talk tomorrow, obviously. Thankfully he’s feeling a little bit better. The quicker he can get back, the better. He’s part of the team, the pitching coach. It’s weird. Basically we talk about the same stuff, keeping the guys on the same track they’re on.”
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-don-cooper-divertiticulitis-20130411,0,7447239.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-don-cooper-divertiticulitis-20130411,0,7447239.story)
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/73718/73718-23Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/61443/61443-619Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/10022/10022-BP54Fr.jpg)
The White Sox have placed infielder Angel Sanchez on the 15-day DL (retroactive to April 10) with a lower back strain, purchased the contract of infielder Tyler Greene from Triple-A Charlotte and designated lefty Charlie Leesman for assignment.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130414&content_id=44751394&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130414&content_id=44751394&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/news/#player_id=460022 (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/news/#player_id=460022)
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Pitching coach Don Cooper will miss the rest of the Chicago White Sox's 10-game trip...
This is devastating. Who is managing the team in Coop's absence, I wonder?
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Who is managing the team in Coop's absence, I wonder?
Who is managing the pitching staff you mean?
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No, I mean who is managing the team.
Everyone knows that Coop pulls the strings and has more power in the clubhouse than Robin.
I wonder, if Robin had the authority/power to pick his own pitching coach, would he choose Cooper?
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Everyone knows that Coop pulls the strings and has more power in the clubhouse than Robin.
No, I don't believe that for one second.
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Fury speaks with much wisdom...
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Regardless of his buddiness with KW... cooper is still regarded as one of the better pitching coaches in the game...
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Not knocking Cooper's ability... I just feel that the manager should be given full, unqualified control of the team (and his staff) on the field and in the clubhouse.
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Well the pitching seems to have missed Coop.
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It would be better if they missed bats...
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Very well put.
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White Sox Press Release
4/17/2013 1:03 P.M. ET
White Sox recall Jordan Danks from class AAA Charlotte; option Deunte Heath to Charlotte
Prior to tonight's game at Toronto, the Chicago White Sox recalled outfielder Jordan Danks from Class AAA Charlotte. To make room for Danks on the active roster, the White Sox optioned right-handed pitcher Deunte Heath to Charlotte following last night's game against the Blue Jays.
Danks, 26, was batting .333 (17-51) with two home runs, five RBI and nine runs scored in 13 games with the Knights this season. The younger brother of Chicago pitcher John Danks, he appeared in 50 games with the White Sox in 2012, hitting .224 (15-67) with one home run and four RBI.
Danks will wear uniform No. 20.
Heath, 27, appeared in one game with the White Sox this season after being recalled from Charlotte on April 12.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130417&content_id=45049644&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130417&content_id=45049644&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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White Sox recall Jordan Danks from class AAA Charlotte; option Deunte Heath to Charlotte
Like rearranging deck chairs on the...
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Pitching coach Cooper set to rejoin White Sox
By Chris Toman / Special to MLB.com | 04/18/2013 7:14 PM ET
TORONTO -- Pitching coach Don Cooper will rejoin the White Sox in Chicago on Friday for the start of a 10-game homestand that begins with a three-game set against the Twins.
Cooper was hospitalized in the Washington, D.C., area on April 9 with diverticulitis and returned to Chicago on Saturday.
The team is eager for his return to the dugout, where he spent 11 of his 26 seasons with the organization as pitching coach.
"We are looking forward to having Cooper back," manager Robin Ventura said. "It's odd him not being here. I'm just glad he's feeling better. It's going to be nice to have him back."
During Cooper's absence, bullpen coach Bobby Thigpen has filled in as the team's pitching coach, while Curt Hasler, the organization's pitching coordinator, has served as the bullpen coach.
Hasler's last game with the team will be Thursday's series finale against the Blue Jays and as much as he has enjoyed his time with the big club, he said it doesn't feel right with Cooper not around.
Ventura agrees, although he's pleased with the job Hasler and Thigpen have done.
"It's different. Bobby has filled in and done a great job," Ventura said. "Again, it's different not having Cooper there -- the conversations you are use to having in the middle of the game. Definitely looking forward to him getting back with us."
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130418&content_id=45158768¬ebook_id=45159322&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130418&content_id=45158768¬ebook_id=45159322&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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"We are
looking forward to faced with the inevitability of having Cooper back," manager Robin Ventura said. "It's odd such a relief with him not being here. I'm just glad he's feeling better. You know, I have to say that because he's Kenny's buddy and is the real power in the clubhouse It's going to be nice to have him back."
During Cooper's absence, bullpen coach Bobby Thigpen has filled in as the team's pitching coach, while Curt Hasler, the organization's pitching coordinator, has served as the bullpen coach.
Hasler's last game with the team will be Thursday's series finale against the Blue Jays and as much as he has enjoyed his time with the big club, he said that he's compelled to express that it doesn't feel right with Cooper not around.
Ventura agrees, although he's pleased with the job Hasler and Thigpen have done.
"It's different. I can breathe so much easier. Bobby has filled in and done a great job," Ventura said. "I wish I could name my own pitching coach. Again, it's different not having Cooper there -- the conversations you are use to having in the middle of the game. I actually feel like it's my team now. But... Definitely looking forward to him getting back with us. I mean it. Really. Are you listening, Kenny?"
Had to fix that.
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Something happen to Floyd? On my MLB APP it shows Axelrod following Peavy, the Q, then TBD?
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Da sports guys here said everyone was pushed back a day. Peavy today, Floyd tomorrow.
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Viciedo placed on DL with strained left oblique
Outfielder likely to miss more than 15 days; Tekotte called up
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 4/20/2013 2:36 P.M. ET
CHICAGO -- Dayan Viciedo became the fifth White Sox player to be placed on the disabled list since the start of the 2013 season when the left fielder was added Saturday morning with a strained left oblique.
Viciedo sustained the injury on a swing during his eighth-inning at-bat in Toronto on Thursday. He didn't feel any better Friday, so the White Sox gave him time to recover and added outfielder Blake Tekotte from Triple-A Charlotte.
"[White Sox head athletic trainer] Herm [Schneider] has seen it enough that you know it's not going to be a two- or three-day thing," said White Sox manager Robin Ventura of Viciedo. "So we're actually hoping it's just a two-week thing."
"We're going to have to play that one by ear," White Sox general manager Rick Hahn said. "With something like this, it's so easy to re-aggravate it if you don't give it the proper amount of time to heal."
The plan for Viciedo at this point, according to Hahn, is for Viciedo to essentially do nothing for about a week and then slowly start moving into baseball activities. That work will be followed by a Minor League rehab assignment.
"So it may take a little bit longer than the 15 days," Hahn said. "But we'll see how quickly he gets back to normal in these first seven [days] before we decide on that."
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130420&content_id=45304872&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130420&content_id=45304872&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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It wasn't like he was scaring pitchers.
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"Make an impact"? More like "We're impacted."
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They're making an impact in a "Titanic hitting the iceberg" kind of way.
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Fisk throwing out first pitch Sunday
Among the festivities during the current White Sox home stand is the return of Hall of Famer Carlton Fisk to throw out the ceremonial first pitch, which he's scheduled to do Sunday before the South Siders take on Tampa Bay. Since he had the honor a year ago, the former Sox great has been in the news for some unfortunate reasons, including having been pleading guilty in December to a drunk-driving charge and having thousands of dollars worth of collectible coins stolen from his home in Florida. Sunday ought to be a nicer moment for the man whose statue stands inside U.S. Cellular Field, especially given the 30th anniversary of the Sox's 1983 "Winning Ugly" season, during which Mr. Fisk hit 26 home runs finished third in votes for the AL MVP award. Other highlights from the home stand include weatherman extraordinaire Tom Skilling hosting the fifth annual "Weather Day" at the Cell before today's game, Bears cornerback Tim Jennings throwing out the ceremonial first pitch tomorrow and Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White tossing the first pitch Friday.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130424/BLOGS04/130429904/-1/takes-names (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130424/BLOGS04/130429904/-1/takes-names)
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great, just great. Another black eye for this franchise.
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Fisk throwing out the first pitch??
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Fisk throwing out the first pitch??
Yes, not a big fan of his anymore, never really was, he is a jerk.
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I liked him, still do, but I admit he's abrasive at times. He had a conflict with Reinsdorf, but the way the White Sox dumped him in the middle of the 1993 campaign was crappy. At least let the guy finish out the season. Plenty of players worse than he was that year have been retained for the whole season. Karkovice in my mind was just OK and not the team leader that Fisk was.
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Pudge was my idol while growing up in the 80s. I remember mimicking his batting stance every time we played ball in the neighborhood. He was the 2nd favorite poster I had displayed in my room - only topped by the bikini-clad Samantha Fox poster near my bed.
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Fisk managed to leave both teams he played with in a huff. The common denominator wasn't that they both had Sox in their team name.
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I agree with Love and MSF. Fisk was (and probably still is) an arrogant a$$.
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White Sox Press Release
4/28/2013 3:03 P.M. ET
White Sox option Blake Tekotte to Class AAA Charlotte
Following today's game vs. Tampa Bay, the Chicago White Sox optioned outfielder Blake Tekotte to Class AAA Charlotte.
Tekotte, 25, appeared in three games (one start) with the White Sox this season after being recalled from Charlotte on April 20, going 0-2 with a walk.
The White Sox will make a corresponding roster move prior to Tuesday night's game at Texas.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130428&content_id=46038948&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130428&content_id=46038948&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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The White Sox have acquired Casper Wells from the Athletics in exchange for cash considerations, both teams have announced via press release. In order to clear room on the 40-man roster, the White Sox placed left-hander Leyson Septimo back on the 60-day disabled list.
Wells, 28, has garnered quite a bit of media attention due to the constant fluctuation of his roster status this month. After being designated for assignment by the Mariners at the end of Spring Training, he was claimed off waivers by the Blue Jays ten days later. Following a short stint with Toronto during which he did not appear in a game, he was designated once again, this time being traded to the A's.
Wells' Oakland tenure wasn't much more noteworthy, as he received five plate appearances before being designated for assignment yet again. Casey Pratt of CSN Bay Area tweets that the A's promised Wells they'd try to work something out quickly following his most recent DFA, and they look to have honored that pledge.
Wells is capable of playing all three outfield positions and has posted a strong .264/.349/.489 batting line versus left-handed pitching in his career. Last season with the Mariners, he hit .228/.302/.396 in 316 plate appearances.
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Yes, yes, give us more fodder.
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I have never been a fan of Casper Wells. He can hit LHs, so will platoon with Wise and/or DeAza, ugh.
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At some point, the Sox are going to field a lineup where I don't recognize ANYONE in it.
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Meh. I think he fits right in. One more friendly ghost of a player...
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Gavin Floyd to have Tommy John surgery tomorrow?
Guess we've seen the last of him in a White Sox uni. There goes one thing we had available to "sell" at the trading deadline.
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Surgery an option for Floyd; Danks nears return
Right-hander to get third opinion; southpaw works seven rehab innings
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 5/3/2013 12:36 A.M. ET
ARLINGON -- Gavin Floyd confirmed Thursday night that a muscular tear was found near his right elbow and surgery is one of the options to fix his injury.
According to the White Sox, Floyd has a tear in the flexor muscle and an unstable ulnar collateral ligament. He visited with Dr. Keith Meister on Tuesday in Arlington and will get a third opinion Monday when he visits Dr. David Altchek in New York.
Floyd left Saturday's home game against the Rays with what was diagnosed as a right flexor strain and was placed on the disabled list on Sunday. The right-hander intends to weigh all of his options before making the final decision.
"We'll wait until the last doctor so I can think about it, pray about it and take it from there," said Floyd, following the club's 3-1 victory over the Rangers. "You just look at everything and make the best decision you can.
"There's options of surgery. There's options of rehab. And everything like that," Floyd said. "We just got to weigh the options and see what happens. Go Monday and see what happens."
Earlier Thursday, White Sox general manager Rick Hahn said that the team hoped "to have a treatment plan next week" for Floyd.
This trip to the disabled list marks Floyd's third since early July of last season for issues in the same general area. From July 8-23, 2012, Floyd was out of action with right elbow tendinitis. He then returned to the DL from Aug. 27 to Sept. 12 with the same flexor strain he has been diagnosed with presently.
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130503&content_id=46476092&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130503&content_id=46476092&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Sounds like Sleepy's White Sox career maybe over as a 14-19 month rehab isn't good for a free agent-to-be pitcher:
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White Sox RHP Floyd needs season-ending surgery
The Associated Press – 1 hour 51 minutes ago
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Chicago White Sox starter Gavin Floyd needs elbow surgery and will miss the rest of the season.
The team said Monday that Floyd will be out for 14-19 months - also putting next season in jeopardy. The right-hander will have the ulnar collateral ligament and a torn flexor muscle repaired Tuesday in New York.
The 30-year-old Floyd was 0-4 with a 5.18 ERA in five starts for Chicago this season before going on the disabled list April 28 with what was initially diagnosed as a flexor muscle strain.
Floyd is 70-70 with a 4.48 ERA in 10 major-league seasons with the White Sox and Phillies.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-rhp-floyd-needs-190530363--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-rhp-floyd-needs-190530363--mlb.html)
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Given that we've lost Floyd for the year, and Peavy has been gimpy, I would entertain the notion of getting creative and offering a pittance for this guy. Then I'd tell him he just became a pitcher again and get him stretched out in AA.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/astros-designate-rick-ankiel-fernando-martinez-for-assignment.html
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Hahn sure likes the scrap heap:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/white-sox-claim-mike-mcdade.html
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Ugh. No one tell me again that Hahn is the same as Kenny.
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Ugh. No one tell me again that Hahn is the same as Kenny.
Drafted by the Jays in the sixth round in '07, McDade never ranked among the Baseball America's top 30 prospects for the team in any season.
That says it all.
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I wonder what Dan Evans is doing these days??
6-1, 250 lbs they list McCade at, that means he is likely 5-11 and 270 lbs. Jesus H.
Plus, 1B for AAA they have Loman already, plus in AA they have their 2 best young hitters in Wilkins and Black. WTF.
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•Infielder Josh Bell has been released by the White Sox, according to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter). Bell, 26, was with the club's Triple-A affiliate in Charlotte where he hit .273/.310/.345 in 58 plate appearances this season.
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White Sox activate OF Dayan Viciedo from DL
The Associated Press – 3 hours ago
CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox have reinstated outfielder Dayan Viciedo from the 15-day disabled list before their game Friday against the Los Angeles Angels.
In a corresponding move, the White Sox optioned outfielder Jordan Danks to Triple-A Charlotte.
Viciedo was placed on the DL after he strained his left oblique April 18 at Toronto. Viciedo played four games on a rehab assignment at Charlotte. In 13 games for the White Sox, Viciedo is hitting .229 with two homers.
Danks started four games and played in nine for the White Sox, hitting .200.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-activate-dayan-viciedo-201452733--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-activate-dayan-viciedo-201452733--mlb.html)
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Whoo Hoo. That ought to help our defense a lot. <Insert stupid eye-roll emoticon here>
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There is parity in the division this year, somewhat. The Tigers aren't THAT good. The Sox are, what, only five games under .500? Yeah, they stink right now, but if Hahn/Williams would make two or three moves, we could still possibly make a run. It's only May.
Yeah, I know, uncharacteristic optimism... but Detroit is beatable. Not a really good team there.
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we could still possibly make a run.
I am not optimistic that we can make a run this year but I'll grant you that as badly as the Sox have played, it's a testament to them that they're only 5 GB and 5 games under .500. They should be 10 games out and 10 under.
but if Hahn/Williams would make two or three moves,
This is Hahn's team now. Not sure why you keep inferring that Williams is interfering with it. It has been stated that the GM decisions will be all Hahn's. I see no reason not to believe it.
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Robin: What's our record, Coop?
Coop: Sixteen and twenty-one
Robin: Sixteen... and twenty-one. How'd we ever win sixteen?
Coop: It's a miracle.
Robin: This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.
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This is Hahn's team now. Not sure why you keep inferring that Williams is interfering with it. It has been stated that the GM decisions will be all Hahn's. I see no reason not to believe it.
Williams is not retired. I'm sure he still has major input/influence on the direction of the team.
After KW retires and vacates his office in U.S. Cellular Field, then and only then is it Hahn's team, in my opinion.
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Robin: This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.
Or, in this team's case, you fail to hit the ball and muff those catches.
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I am not optimistic that we can make a run this year...
I'm not either. But I guess what I'm saying is that the rest of this so-so division is offering us an opportunity to catch up... if we choose to do so. I think Sox management is making the decision to "blow it all up" and rebuild from the ground up, though.
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If I am not mistaken, the 2013 White Sox have the same record after 38 games as did the 2012 White Sox.
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I think Sox management is making the decision to "blow it all up" and rebuild from the ground up, though.
What makes you think that? That's not a challenge, I truly haven't seen/heard anything to indicate what they're planning to do.
If I am not mistaken, the 2013 White Sox have the same record after 38 games as did the 2012 White Sox.
And, as I just read on the other board, that is with the Tigers being able to beat up on Astros for a bunch of games already, the Sox playing several games by this point against the Tigers last year, and the Sox sustaining several injuries this year and playing just as poorly as they possibly can. There's definitely room for improvement.
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Danks back Friday to face the Shiity Marlins?
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Reinsdorf recommends selling White Sox when gone
The Associated Press – 38 minutes ago
CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox confirm a report that chairman Jerry Reinsdorf has recommended a family succession plan that includes selling its interest in the franchise.
The team says in a statement released Tuesday that while he has recommended putting the club up for sale ''once he is no longer with us,'' all plans are ''fluid'' and ''ultimately will depend on timing and other circumstances.'' The White Sox also say he has no plans to sell the team anytime soon.
The 77-year-old Reinsdorf is the chairman of the White Sox and Chicago Bulls. He told the Sports Business Journal that the plan he has recommended to his sons calls for the family relinquishing its stake in the White Sox while maintaining control of the Bulls.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/reinsdorf-recommends-selling-white-sox-000728626--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/reinsdorf-recommends-selling-white-sox-000728626--mlb.html)
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Sale scratched from Wednesday's start
By Mark Gonzales - Tribune reporter - 7:29 p.m. CDT, May 21, 2013
Chicago White Sox ace Chris Sale was scratched from Wednesday night's start against Boston because of tendinitis in his left pitching shoulder.
The Sox made the announcement in the top of the second inning of Tuesday's game, adding that the decision was made as a precautionary measure. Fellow left-hander Hector Santiago will start in Sale's spot.
The Sox added that Sale is expected to make his next start May 28 against the Cubs at U.S. Cellular Field.
Sale (5-2) has a streak of 23 consecutive scoreless innings. This is the first time he's had an ailment of any form this season. He had a brief bout of tendinitis last May in his first full season as a major league starter and was given extra rest on three occasions to ensure his health.
Sale is seventh in the American League with a 2.53 ERA and has thrown 64 innings. He has limited opponents to a .192 batting average, third lowest in the AL.
Sale was scheduled to face Clay Buchholz (6-0).
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-scratched-20130521,0,258118.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-scratched-20130521,0,258118.story)
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^ It begins, joeconnors.
We don't WANT to be right about this, but those mechanics. . .
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In other news, what are they going to call the park and will it look much different with different branding? Sprint closes purchase of US Cellular.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-17/business/chi-us-cellular-sprint-deal-closes-20130517_1_kan-based-sprint-sprint-officials-u-s-cellular
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^ It begins, joeconnors.
We don't WANT to be right about this, but those mechanics. . .
If it were his mechanics, I believe it would be his elbow that would be the problem, not shoulder. I could be wrong.
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I have zero knowledge of mechanics and how they relate to how they will effect different parts of the arm, but I'm pretty sure you can get bad shoulders from bad mechanics.
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Oh for sure, but I thought with Sale it was his elbow that would end up being troublesome. No idea truthfully, everyone used to talk how unnatural it was for his elbow.
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Would rather it have been an elbow... then a shoulder. rough if JD and Sale end up with bum shoulders.
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Yep, lets hope it is just a little tendonitis, a rotator or torn labrum would likely be the end of him.
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In other news, what are they going to call the park and will it look much different with different branding? Sprint closes purchase of US Cellular.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-17/business/chi-us-cellular-sprint-deal-closes-20130517_1_kan-based-sprint-sprint-officials-u-s-cellular
Sprint didn't purchase all of U. S. Cellular. U.S. Cellular sold to Sprint their Midwest operations which was only 10% of their customer base. U.S. Cellular will continue as a company. Think of it as similar to many years ago when Jack-In-The-Box decided they didn't want to continue competing in the Chicagoland area and closed their franchises. The company continued on elsewhere and continues to this day, just not in Chicagoland. Krispy Kreme is another example of a company that has left the Chicagoland area but still continues in the franchise business in other areas.
How this will affect long term the name rights of 'new Comiskey' is unknown. I doubt if the contract between U. S. Cellular & the White Sox allows U. S. Cellular to sell or transfer the naming rights to another company. I'm guessing the White Sox would allow U. S. Cellular out of the contract IF the Sox can find some other company willing to pay more for the naming rights or extend the naming rights for five or more years. However, I doubt the White Sox have any legal obligation to allow U.S. Cellular out of their contract because they no longer want to compete in the Midwest.
In fact, at least publicly, U. S. Cellular isn't trying to get out of their naming rights deal with the White Sox: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20121107/BLOGS04/121109795/u-s-cellular-sticking-or-stuck-with-white-sox (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20121107/BLOGS04/121109795/u-s-cellular-sticking-or-stuck-with-white-sox)
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I say we negotiate naming rights with Wrigley's Chewing Gum.
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Sprint didn't purchase all of U. S. Cellular. U.S. Cellular sold to Sprint their Midwest operations which was only 10% of their customer base. U.S. Cellular will continue as a company.
Thanks for the clarification on this. Still, it will be odd to have the park named after a product/service which is not available locally. I'm trying to think of any other examples of this, and can't come up with one.
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Donnie Veal back to Triple-A to make room for John Danks:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-reinstate-danks-dl-193911608--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-reinstate-danks-dl-193911608--mlb.html)
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Top Spring 2013 pickups... #4:
Conor Gillaspie -- The White Sox picked up Gillaspie in exchange for Jeff Soptic, who has a 6.48 ERA in 25 innings at High-A San Jose for the Giants. Gillaspie, on the other hand, has received regular at-bats against right-handed pitching and posted a .276/.341/.422 batting line against them. He's also been terrific defensively according to UZR/150 (+4.4) and The Fielding Bible (+3).
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The worst thing about the Sox sucking this year is that it means we'll have tons of m a sturbatory discussion over what they should do/might do/bus leaguers/could do/maybe they might/how bout doing this/I'd like to see, etc. That shytt was annoying enough in the off-season, now we have to have it year-round this time.
Can't we just make fun of how bad the current guys suck? That's a lot more fun, but that's just me.
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I'd start with Dunn, but not much more left to be said about him. My biggest disappointment is that I thought we signed him for 3 years and this was it, but now I realize he has 1 more year. Why not just release him and let someone else DH?
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I'd start with Dunn, but not much more left to be said about him. My biggest disappointment is that I thought we signed him for 3 years and this was it, but now I realize he has 1 more year. Why not just release him and let someone else DH?
Omar Vizquel is out there.... I'm sure he'd love to DH again.
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I'd start with Dunn, but not much more left to be said about him. My biggest disappointment is that I thought we signed him for 3 years and this was it, but now I realize he has 1 more year. Why not just release him and let someone else DH?
Omar Vizquel is out there.... I'm sure he'd love to DH again.
Omar Vizquel is out there.... I'm sure he'd love to mentor again.
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I would be more interested watching this team start the rebuild this year, then see what's going on.
JR instructed his heirs to sell the Sox upon his death, and he still has hope.
The rebuild includes JR, KW, and the hawk.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/06/weak-hitting-positions-for-al-contenders.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Position-by-position look at the offense of each AL "Contender."
Just because the AL Central in general is so bad, all AL Central teams were considered "contenders."
The only positions for which the Sox aren't at / near the bottom were shortstop and right field.
That's dire, folks.
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I pretty much knew before the season that they would be bad this year, but I hoped for a miracle... chemistry, mediocre guys having great years all at once, etc. No such luck.
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Yeah, I liked the pitching, a lot, but I was worried about the offense, especially after AJ was gone. Twins fans having lots of fun at my expense, wondering how we can play folks like Dunn, Flowers, Viciedo etc... I would rip them but they have actually improved a bit this year and are going younger and they also have one of the top 2 systems for prospect along with StL.
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I have not seen an offense this putrid since the Sox of the mid-60s, when a .240 avg and 45 RBI was a good year for our hitters. Never thought I would have yearned for players like Al Weis, Ken Berry, Ron Hanson, and old Ken Boyer, an old Tommy Davis. We have 2 position players in Rios and Ramirez who are worth a crap, maybe Beckham will do something, but he sure is not gonna carry this heavy, heavy load.
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I am very interested in seeing what Mr. Hahn will do. Time to step up, junior.
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I have not seen an offense this putrid since the Sox of the mid-60s
I seem to recall the 1976 team being exceptionally bad. Though it may not have been the hitting alone, perhaps I remember it being so bad because they had no offense plus no pitching.
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Just looked it up, '76 was the year that they tried to turn Gossage and Forster in starters. An act that should have launched another revolution....
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They totally f'd up on handling Gossage and Forster, I swear I cried when they traded those two for another slug, Richie Zisk. This franchise should be known as the Slithering Slugs, as we have had more slow, fat players than any other franchise I would guess.
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Al Weis, Ken Berry, Ron Hanson, and old Ken Boyer
Those guys had TWTW
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That's the ticket Pete, damn good point.
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Even MSF has turned, and done so with a vengence!
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yeah, hated to do it, especially with a vengence, meant to do it with a vengeance.
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Dog house.
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heh, seems like I just got out of the dog house, dang.
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Dunn is untradeable, but otherwise, we have some guys that should have value.
Dodgers are going to be looking for some way to make room for Puig permanently, which means Ethier is on the block.
Still think he'd be a nice pick up for us. De Aza could be a 4th/5th OF for that team, and what do we need Thornton for at this point if we have Santiago in the 'pen?
Thornton, De Aza and Floyd for Ethier and AJ Ellis.
Dodgers fix their "where do we put Puig when Crawford gets back" issue and we shed about 1.5 mil from payroll while adding an OF and C with some hitting ability. They don't have to worry about Floyd until next year, when he probably takes Lilly's spot on the roster.
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Floyd is a FA after this year... why would the Dodgers want a hurt pitcher thats about to hit FA?
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Because his salary disappears next year?
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umm... since when do baseball team's make NBA style trades?
Thorny and De aza for a guy they think is a part of their core...
If wishes were horses...
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They do not think Ethier is part of their core. Kemp and Puig are the fixtures. They know that can't trade Crawford, so Ethier is the guy they're going to trade.
You've become quite the grump lately. I'll take it sleep is still hard to come by...
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You've become quite the grump lately.
I'd go with "you mad, bro?". Speak the language of his generation.
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"you mad, bro?".
Change that to "brah" and you nailed it.
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Because his salary disappears next year?
...then why trade for him at all?
Also, I don't disagree that the Dodgers would part with Ethier, but why would we want him? He's the kind of player we're trying to get rid of, I thought.
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"you mad, bro?".
Change that to "brah" and you nailed it.
#missinghashtag
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not of the hastag generation... i can proudly say i have never sent out a single tweet.
Sleep not the problem... time in general, is hard to come by.
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I do not want Ethier, yuck.
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...then why trade for him at all?
Also, I don't disagree that the Dodgers would part with Ethier, but why would we want him? He's the kind of player we're trying to get rid of, I thought.
No, the kind of player we're trying to get rid of is of the AAAA, can't-hit variety. Pretty much anyone in the lineup at this point...
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Ethier is batting .236 this year... he would fit right in...
He is also owed 69 million over the next 4 years...
That is the perfect KW move.
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...then why trade for him at all?
Also, I don't disagree that the Dodgers would part with Ethier, but why would we want him? He's the kind of player we're trying to get rid of, I thought.
No, the kind of player we're trying to get rid of is of the AAAA, can't-hit variety. Pretty much anyone in the lineup at this point...
Have you looked at Ethier's numbers?
If you're willing to take those 2013 numbers and hope he turns it around (for a price of ~$17M / yr), why not let guys like Viciedo try to figure it out for a fraction of that cost?
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Also, I'm guessing Ethier will be available to pick up for free in August (like Rios).
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Might be, might not be. His cost is 13.5 million. Less than Rios, Dunn and Konerko.
Unlike Dunn and Konerko, he can actually play defense, which is another problem area for this team right now.
I just put it out there as a way to improve the team without adding cost. The trade I proposed dumped a million or so in getting him.
LH bat, still has 4-5 good years left and plays defense. If you folks have better ideas, feel free to propose them. A lot easier to shoot holes at others thoughts than step into the line of fire yourself, methinks.
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Ethier is batting .236 this year... he would fit right in...
He is also owed 69 million over the next 4 years...
That is the perfect KW move.
Rios was a similar pickup. He has had one bad year for us. Where would this offense be without him? 14 mil for his production is actually a tradeable asset. One of the few we have....
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Ethier's contract goes up to 15 million next year... then up to 18...
I'm all for a full out rebuild... build a nice foundation and get competitive that way.
Unlike teams like indians/twins we've never been shy about trading the prospects away.
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I concur with that.
Connor Gillespie is a bright spot. Let the kids play.
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To me, Ethier is not rebuilding, it is replacing and hoping to strike it rich. That is the KW way.
I want a total rebuild. Start trading players for kids, not guys like Ethier (and I follow this guy cause he played in Rochester for a while in the NWL while in college).
That is why I say, release Dunn, move Kong to DH to let him finish his career, move Gillaspie to 1B, and bring Morel up and let him play 3B. I might keep Ramirez and Beckham, but if I was offered enough I would unload them. Guys like DeAza and Floyd are not going to get you anything at all, all other GMs know what they are. Release Wise, release DeAza or get what you can for him. Trade Rios if someone will take his salary. Trade Peavy, Thornton, Crain all for prospects.
Lets do this the correct way, it has been since 1990 or so since we have gone back to bare bones and it is time to do it again.
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Yeap. Cut Dunn lose.
Trade Crain, PK, Rios, Peavy for High A, AA players with high ceilings.
Try and trade sale for a young stud bat... say Puig... if the dodgers are flush in the outfield go get the young stud not the old dude owed 69 million.
It will be rough for a couple years while the big league roster sheds some contracts, but we need that...
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I don't have a problem with any of that, except playing Morel at 3B and moving Gilllaspie. I still wonder how much we've delayed Beckham's development by moving him around. He seems to just now be starting to look like he might become the hitter we thought he'd be. Why screw with Gillaspie, he's had success.
If we're going with the blow-it-up route, what prospects do you think we're going to get? Nobody we have is going to get you anything top-shelf.
We can go young without selling out. We have absolutely no one to play 1B after Kong, at this point we could probably get Ike Davis from the Mets as part of a deal for Rios. They are desperate for OF help. He's a guy I would let work his struggles out for the big club.
Doubt we could get them to include Wheeler, but maybe a guy like Wilmer Flores. He's blocked by Wright over there.
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Sale will bring back a couple of top shelf prospects. Young Ace pitcher with a team friendly contract. you can probably get a couple of studs for him.
I think Peavy going to a contender could net us a + prospect.
Baltimore is looking for pitching... maybe they bite on Peavy for Gausman.
Cardinals need BP help.. send Crain to them for Carlos Martinez... he might end up in the bullpen but hes got a good arm.
TB needs a bat. PK for a Alex Torres would work. or if we are willing to eat some salary they would probably take both Rios and PK and they have a bounty of good pitching prospects.
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ISF is correct we do not have a lot worth a lot of prospects, but ****, still go ahead and blow this up. The reason I move Gillaspie to 1B this year is just to see if Morel can do anything at all. Might make him worthwhile trade bait, or even Gillaspie. Gillaspie has played a lot of 1B in the minors so even tho he has no power, I would put him at 1B over Viciedo, for defensive purposes.
I might trade Sale for a proven young outfielder not named Giancarlo.
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Sale is who we're building around.
Peavy is gimpy again, and hasn't looked good last couple times out. He might get us a couple + prospects, but only if he's healthy and pitching well. I could actually see Pittsburgh showing interest if he is. Peavy's contract is short and pretty low for his potential.
Cardinals are too smart to send anything worth while for a BP guy.
Kong will finish as a White Sox methinks.
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Yeah, Sale's not going anywhere and not sure how much Konerko would fetch these days anyway.
Rios, Crain, and Reed could bring back some decent prospects.
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I have no problem with releasing Dunn. He is utterly worthless. Just eat the rest of the contract and be done with it.
We have a guy playing 1B at AA...Dan Black...has pretty good splits. Him or Andy Wilkins have both been hitting well.
Dan Black - Drafted in the 14th round in 2009 and not reaching A-ball until he was 23, this switch-hitting 1B has been behind the age curve the past couple seasons, but there is no denying his ability to hit and get on base. In 2012 at A+ (at age 24/25), Black compiled a .315/.392/.483 line that included 17 home runs, with a reasonable strike out rate. He'll likely be the starting 1B for Birmingham in 2013 at age 25, trying to prove he can pass the big test of jumping to AA.
Phegley has a .999 OPS at Charlotte...at some point he needs to be given an opportunity.
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I am not going to even get into who we can get for whom. I just want this team overturned and I want our scouts to make good recommendations to Hahn.
I would have to get a proven top notch prospect (someone in the league already) and more for Sale. But if I could get an everyday stud or two for him I might unload him. 2 everyday players, if great prospects, are worth more to us than what Sale will be worth if we really suck. If guys like Joseph are correct and he is an injury just waiting to happen, then it would look great. If he never gets hurt, hey it happens, then we look like we just gave up our next Gossage.
Yet, I lean towards keeping him.
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This from a month ago, but reiterates my comments about Rios and the Mets:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/madden-rios-add-sock-mets-lineup-article-1.1339012
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Peavy out 4-6 weeks with non-displaced rib fracture
Left-hander Santiago to move back into White Sox rotation
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 6/5/2013 5:51 P.M. ET
SEATTLE -- Jake Peavy's MRI revealed a non-displaced rib fracture on his left side and he will be shut down for four-to-six weeks. The only treatment for him is rest.
X-rays taken at Safeco Field after he left Tuesday's start did not show a fracture, but Peavy had an MRI just two hours before Wednesday's game. White Sox manager Robin Ventura said that Hector Santiago would move back into the rotation to fill Peavy's spot.
"Yeah, again, you get all the tests you can and see what it is and you go from there," Ventura said before the MRI results were known. "It's just one of those until you get that information, the only thing you can really do is kind of line up Hector in that spot."
"They kind of gave me a heads-up when they told me I was going back to the bullpen," Santiago said. "'If a guy could use a spot start, you will be the guy. We won't bring anybody up.' I'm mentally ready for it."
Santiago threw just one-third of an inning and only 12 pitches in relief Tuesday night, admitting that he was somewhat surprised not to be the first guy up when Peavy departed. The pain started for Peavy on Sunday in Oakland, but the veteran added there might have been something there previously that would account, in part, for his similar velocity dip against the Cubs last Thursday at Wrigley that had his fastball topping out at 90 mph.
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130605&content_id=49699814&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130605&content_id=49699814&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Great, another of our very few marginally tradeable guys gets hurt.
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Beachy might be coming of the DL soon and no place in the rotation... would love to acquire him from the braves.
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Sox add bullpen depth with Heath, Troncoso
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 1:06 p.m. CDT, June 6, 2013
Jake Peavy's rib cage fracture Tuesday night and a 16-inning win Wednesday fueled a series of roster moves by the Chicago White Sox prior to Thursday night's game against Oakland.
Peavy, who came out of Tuesday's game after only 2 1/3 innings, was placed on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to Wednesday.
The Sox promoted Deunte Heath from Triple-A Charlotte and purchased the contract of reliever Ramon Troncoso from the Knights. Heath was 1-0 with a 2.25 ERA in 10 games for Charlotte and made four appearances with the Sox earlier this season.
Troncoso, one of the Sox's final spring training cuts, is 1-1 with a 2.19 ERA in 21 games for Charlotte. He has made 175 major league appearances with the Los Angeles Dodgers (2008-11), posting a 3.92 ERA with six saves.
Reliever Brian Omogrosso, who threw 60 pitches over the past two games, was optioned to Charlotte.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-bullpen-20130606,0,2220154.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-bullpen-20130606,0,2220154.story)
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Jim Thome is now part of Sox Brass. Hired as a special assistant or something like that.
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Jim Thome is now part of Sox Brass. Hired as a special assistant or something like that.
future hitting coach or assistant hitting coach when Jeff Manto ends up being the scapegoat after this season
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The Josh Phegley Era begins tonight!
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130704&content_id=52756290&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130704&content_id=52756290&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-josh-phegley-20130704,0,1371945.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-josh-phegley-20130704,0,1371945.story)
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Not a bad article: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/08/hoge-why-the-white-sox-need-a-complete-rebuild/#comments
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That is a pretty good read. I sorta see it the way he does. I am not sure of how others in the fanbase feel, either way. I hope that org comes out and is straight forward in saying this is what we need to do to stay competitive for a long time.
In addition, I hope they view attendance as a secondary issue. Relegate all that nonsense of "they have to win now for attendance" to the meathead cesspool of sports talk radio.
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I hope that org comes out and is straight
Heh. That was sounding funny as I was reading it.
In addition, I hope they view attendance as a secondary issue. Relegate all that nonsense of "they have to win now for attendance" to the meathead cesspool of sports talk radio.
Unfortunately that's a valid concern for the organization. The Sox are not like other ballclubs, even small market ones. When you have an insanely popular team you're competing for fans with (and that team is winning by an very large margin), you have to take attendance into consideration. If attendance falls extremely hard for the years while the team is rebuilding -- and don't forget, no one can predict how long a rebuild can take -- there's no telling when they'll get fans back -- if at all (especially if the cubs become contenders in that time period)! And then the team could certainly be in line for contraction. There's no need for MLB to keep the White Sox if they're only getting 10,000 a game when our city has another team here that most of Chicago prefers anway.
And I know I'm in the minority with this opinion but I still maintain that the Sox do not need to tear everything apart ala the Cubs and rebuild. They already have a few good pieces to build around and with some smart drafts/trades/free agent signings, it doesn't have to be 5 years before we're contending again.
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Tim, I agree, rip the team up. I would keep Sale, Reed, Quintana, Beckham, and would like to keep Santiago tho many might not agree. The rest can all go, including all prospects except Eric Johnson.
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Guess what I am trying to say is that I hope they don't feel they can't pull the trigger on something in fear of how it will affect attendance. If it is first and foremost in the best interest of the team then attendance will be there. They can't allow themselves to be held hostage by a group maroons who say they wont go to games unless the sox win. It creates fear off a false reality.
Yes, granted the Sox do not have an "area" to rely on to draw tourists ( wouldn't hurt for the state and city to promote the cell better) but this is where they need to be open and honest with the fans as to what they are trying to do. If they show that they are truely trying to build a strong and deep organization, attendance may drop somewhat until they they are finished. I don't think it will be that bad though. IMV, the reason may left and didn't come back for a while was because they felt betrayed (ie 1997). I don't think it will happen this time. What gets teams in trouble is that they say they are rebuilding but in reality are just cutting payroll.
Interesting you bring up the Cub. I don't think they are rebuilding either. Let me rephrase that, the Ricketts are not rebuilding. Word on the street is the old man is not happy. He is all about pure profit and doesn't like the fact they are this leveraged. He also likes to have a quicker return on his money than he is seeing. Thus they are building up the farm system, decreasing liabilities (payroll) and improving the one asset they do have all to make the team more attractive to sell and making a huge profit. It will be probably be a new tv show on A&E called "Flip this Team".
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Thus they are building up the farm system, decreasing liabilities (payroll) and improving the one asset they do have all to make the team more attractive to sell and making a huge profit.
Hmm, haven't heard that rumor before. Might explain why they're doing things this way. I was just discussing the cubs "rebuilding" with a co-worker today (who is all pro-cubs and everything they do is right). Imo, they have a pretty good starting rotation right now which is why they should re-sign Garza instead of trading him. Garza-Smardz-Wood is a pretty good start to a team's rotation. Their offense isn't great but it's not White Sox bad and -- like the Sox -- it could get a whole lot better very quickly with a few smart trades or free agents. At least the Cubs, unlike the Sox, have the resources to take on extra payroll and that team could be contending as soon as next year.
But if they trade Garza, Wood and many others...forget it. They're trading for prospects they hope will perform what those guys are already giving them. And chances are, they won't get it (especially since as of now they have no pitching prospects in the pipeline and they won't be competing for anything without pitching).
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Let Hahn go and hire Billy Beane away from the A's. Heh
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Let Hahn go and hire Billy Beane away from the A's. Heh
Why? Bily Beane is the most overrated self-promoter in all of baseball. This so-called "genius" has not produced one World Series team, let alone a World Series winner in the 15 seasons he's run the Oakland team. And I don't want to hear how he doesn't have the $$$$ to compete with the Tigers, Yankees, Angels and Red Sox as he turned down the chance to run the Red Sox before they gave the job to Theo Epstein. He's at best, a big fish in a little pond that's afraid to compete at the next level. If the White Sox want to shake things up, they should go get Andrew Friedman away from Tampa Bay.
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But Billy Beane wrote "Moneyball".
I love saying that and never getting corrected by you morans.
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One of the problems is, and seems to have always been in the KW era, that the org doesn't have a plan. Dodgers, Cards, Twins, Skanks, et.al., have all at some time in the past implemented a system in which players were drafted and developed within a framework of skills and have experienced sustained success because of it. The Sox for the past 15 years, maybe with the exception of Guillen's first couple of years, have focused more on catching lightning in a bottle.
JMHO.
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Agreed, and for the most part that has meant to try to stay out of the money game. Not that we have not spent, but to me not on the right thing. We should have been spending more money in the draft and internationally and less on patching with Free Agents.
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Sox's Wise suffers setback in rehab
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 8:04 p.m. CDT, July 16, 2013
Outfielder Dewayne Wise won’t be rejoining the White Sox soon.
Wise suffered a right hamstring strain during his second minor league rehabilitation stint at Triple-A Charlotte and has returned to the Sox until he can be healthy enough to start another assignment.
Wise hasn’t played for the Sox since May 29 because of the hamstring injury. He started a minor league rehab assignment at Charlotte two weeks later but was shut down on June 17 because of an oblique strain.
Wise returned to the Sox to heal before starting another rehab assignment at Charlotte, only to suffer the hamstring strain July 10. He was 2-for-17 in his last rehab stint.
Wise, 35, is batting .234 in 30 games with the Sox.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-chicago-white-sox-dewayne-wise-right-hamstring-20130716,0,1857506.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-chicago-white-sox-dewayne-wise-right-hamstring-20130716,0,1857506.story)
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This team is on pace to lose 97 games. I am more than disgusted. I am emotionally disinvesting in the Sox at this point.
I agree with SoxRule that the Sox org cannot afford a complete rebuild in terms of retaining the fan base. Keep the key pieces, acquire All-Star level talent, and shore up the farm system. It's possible the Sox could legitimately contend again by 2017.
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I am not watching games... but i am a bit excited about the up-coming rebuild...
Been a long time since we've had discussions of the 4 horsemen waiting to take over the rotation... hah.
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I agree with SoxRule that the Sox org cannot afford a complete rebuild in terms of retaining the fan base
Not sure I agree with this. The basic fan base (ie die hard fans who will always be White sox fans) stays the same. Sox fans who are parents will still raise their kids to be Sox fans. Of course being Sox fans they won't support the team financially as much while they are losing because sox fans don't spend $$ on a crappy product. But being sox fans they'll follow the team from a distance but be back when they start winning again. The band wagoners will disappear of course but they will reappear when they start winning again cause that's what band wagoners do. So the key to a rebuild to me is paring salaries to a reasonable level while you rebuild so you're not running in the red. And the rebuild has to be successful (ie, give us a 1990ish team with exciting young players who play hungry) and can't take more than 4 years.
The wildcard in this is if Reinsdorf dies and the family sells to someone who wants a quick return on investment.
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This team is on pace to lose 97 games. I am more than disgusted. I am emotionally disinvesting in the Sox at this point.
I agree with SoxRule that the Sox org cannot afford a complete rebuild in terms of retaining the fan base. Keep the key pieces, acquire All-Star level talent, and shore up the farm system. It's possible the Sox could legitimately contend again by 2017.
Cripes Fury, I think we could rip the team up and be contending by 2017 if we did it right.
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We just need hitting.
Our pitching looks good. Sale, Santiago, Quintana. We have Erik Johnson in minors looking like a keeper.
Relief pitching we have depth as well.
What we need are a couple young hitters to build the lineup around. We should be able to do that trading Peavy, Crain and Rios. The Rangers want Rios and they'll part with Olt. The Pirates want Rios and they have Blanco and Hanson. Alexei Ramirez could bring us something as well.
Red Sox want Crain if he's healthy. They have a deep system too. We should be able to get plenty of solid young additions to the lineup this year. See who pans out next year and build around the nucleus.
2 1/2 years, tops.
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ISF, I think you and I are the only ones who feel a gut rebuild is not necessary and that this team can be competitive relatively quickly with a few good trades/signings.
Luckily, it appears management agrees with us so far as it doesn't appear they're going to completely rip the team apart.
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I do not think it would be wise to break up Alexi and Beckham? Why? Steal from the areas. Like that OF. How in the world did we end up with a guy in LF with no glove. Did we win with Carlos Lee out there no. Why oh why does this team do this. Ugh.
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Please dont compare Dayan to Carlos... Lee could could actually contribute to the team with his bat...
Dayan is hacking away at the plate and in the field.
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We just need hitting.
Our pitching looks good. Sale, Santiago, Quintana. We have Erik Johnson in minors looking like a keeper.
Relief pitching we have depth as well.
What we need are a couple young hitters to build the lineup around. We should be able to do that trading Peavy, Crain and Rios. The Rangers want Rios and they'll part with Olt. The Pirates want Rios and they have Blanco and Hanson. Alexei Ramirez could bring us something as well.
Red Sox want Crain if he's healthy. They have a deep system too. We should be able to get plenty of solid young additions to the lineup this year. See who pans out next year and build around the nucleus.
2 1/2 years, tops.
Agreed, in all my posts of ripping it up, I always mention I like our pitching and would keep at least 1/2 of our current staff. Hitting is where we are worlds behind other teams and it is not even close.
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"Q, it's like one of those, once he gets past that first inning, for one reason or another, he gets in a little trouble in the first and then after that he gets stronger," White Sox manager Robin Ventura said of Quintana after he took the no-decision in Chicago's 4-3 extra-innings loss to the Phillies last Sunday.
Who was it that used to have a similar problem, runs in the first, lights out after? Was it Melido Perez in the early 90s?
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I'd say Danny Wright, but I don't think he ever made it out of the first.
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I'd say Danny Wright, but I don't think he ever made it out of the first.
heh, yeah, damn we had a lot of promising arms then.
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I'd say Danny Wright, but I don't think he ever made it out of the first.
heh, yeah, damn we had a lot of promising arms then.
I still blame Nardi Contreras for our pitching woes back then
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He or the clock?
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Who was it that used to have a similar problem, runs in the first, lights out after?
Not sure, but there's a long list of Sox pitchers who fit the opposite MO. Possibly the entire 1976 rotation.
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Pretty sure it was Melido Perez, when we gave up on him and sent him to Yankees, I expected him to really get good. Never happened.
Traded Floyd Bannister to Royals for Melido, Greg Hibbard, John Davis (setup for a bit) and some minor leaguer named Chuck Mount. Pretty good trade. Perez and Hibbard won a few games for us before we traded them.
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Melido Perez; the first inning was his nemesis
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Thank you ole black one
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In 2012, the White Sox committed 70 errors and allowed 30 unearned runs. During the current campaign, they have committed 68 errors and given up 48 unearned runs.
Wow, and I was led to believe that Keppinger would be better defensively than Youk, and Flowers better on D than AJP (what a lie that was). I thought Viciedo had improved last year. What a joke, everyone got worse.
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What a joke, everyone got worse.
It's simply mind-boggling how bad the defense got this year.
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I hate watching such a sloppy team. It's terrible.
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I truly thought we had pitching and defense. Pitching has held its own despite injuries. No excuse for the D. We all knew the offense might stink, but not this badly.
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The White Sox pitching staff ranked among the American League leaders in home opponents' batting average (.240, third), slugging percentage (.374, third), OPS (.678, third), ERA (3.72, fourth) and WHIP (1.24, fourth)
Yep, pitching seems to be holding up its end of things.
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Anyone else get a survey emailed from the White Sox?
First question:
From a fan’s perspective, what things would you like us to keep in mind as we go through the changes needed to improve the team?
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"get better players"
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Spend on draft and international players to the max. Build up the farm system to use for future players and trade purposes, to get what we did not draft well. Be patient, do it correctly, and you can have a solid franchise forever.
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Next Page:
What has disappointed you the most about this White Sox season?
The losing. The defense. The awful 1983 uniforms.
What excites you the most about the White Sox going forward this year and in seasons to come?
Seeing what Hahn can do at the trade deadline.
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That was it. only those 3 questions.
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Wish I got one.
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I filled out the survey too. I tried to provide constructive answers and not let my disappointment and anger cloud my responses.
Of course I mentioned the '83 unis too.
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I filled out the survey too. I tried to provide constructive answers and not let my disappointment and anger cloud my responses.
Of course I mentioned the '83 unis too.
You had to mention the uniforms didn't ya? Now they toss all your other thoughts because they think you are just a flaming style concsious fan.
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From a fan’s perspective, what things would you like us to keep in mind as we go through the changes needed to improve the team?
Get a friggin' organizational plan. Decide how you want the MLB team to compete and then draft and develop players to that plan. Sheesh.
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...just a flaming style concsious fan.
Well, that's all I am. With emphasis on flaming.
No, I actually gave them pretty detailed suggestions too.
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Cool, they just need input, I have no idea why some of this stuff is so tough to figure out. Like 4n says, establish a plan for what you want to do and execute it. Don't just wing it year to year and hope you get lucky.
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Sox now only 6 games out!
Of the #1 draft pick for 2014, I mean.
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White Sox recall RHP Andre Rienzo from Class AAA Charlotte; Option OF Blake Tekotte to Charlotte
CLEVELAND - Prior to tonight's game at Cleveland, the Chicago White Sox recalled right-handed pitcher Andre Rienzo from Class AAA Charlotte and optioned outfielder Blake Tekotte to Charlotte.
Rienzo, 25, is scheduled to make his major-league debut tonight at Progressive Field in place of right-hander Jake Peavy, who was scratched from his scheduled start and pushed back to tomorrow night.
The 6-foot-3, 190-pounder is 8-6 with a 4.06 ERA (51 ER/113.0 IP), three complete games, one shutout and 113 strikeouts over 20 starts with Charlotte. Rienzo has gone 3-2 with a 1.47 ERA (7 ER/43.0 IP) and 42 strikeouts in his last six starts (five quality starts). He played for the World Team at the 2013 All-Star Futures Game at Citi Field (1.0 scoreless IP).
Rienzo leads the International League in strikeouts, is tied for the league lead in complete games and is tied for second in strikeouts-per-9.0 IP (9.00).
The right-hander threw a no hitter (7.0 IP) on July 25 vs. Indianapolis and recorded a career-high 11 strikeouts.
Rienzo, a native of Sao Paulo, Brazil, would become the second Brazilian, and first pitcher, to play in the major leagues. Cleveland's Yan Gomes was the first native of Brazil to appear in a major-league game in 2012 with Toronto. Rienzo played for Team Brazil in the 2013 World Baseball Classic.
He entered the season rated by Baseball America as the No. 7 Prospect in the White Sox organization. Rienzo, who will wear uniform No. 64, was originally signed by Chicago as a free agent on November 17, 2011.
Rienzo is 37-26 with a 3.46 ERA (209 ER/543.2 IP), seven complete games, four shutouts and 584 strikeouts in 111 games (97 starts) over seven seasons in the White Sox minor-league system.
Tekotte, 26, has appeared in 16 games (five starts) with the White Sox this season, going 5-20 (.250) with three runs scored.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130730&content_id=55255526&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130730&content_id=55255526&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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The Sox are currently a half a game behind Miami, and 5.5 games behind Houston for the #1 pick.
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Only 4 games up / back of Houston.
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NOW is when we need them to pull a 1919. Where's Chick Gandil when you need him.
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no kidding
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Noticed on the postgame show how Melton and Thomas seem to be getting frustrated over how this team is being handled (by Ventura, without saying so) The mentioned how placid the team is, no dynamic personalities, just going through the motions.
The team exemplifies their manager
no worries, be patient, hey, what else can we do
Robin is not the guy to rebuild around.
Sooner or later you have to show some fire, this is ridiculous
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and we thought Jerry Manual was laid back.
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Fun fact:
This is the first time in Sox history that they've been swept on a 7+-game road trip.
Congratulations!!!!
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Robin is under contract for one more season and even if the org is dumb enough to extend another contract extension offer (which they are), I have a feeling Robin will decline and will walk away on his own.
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I'm getting this unnerving feeling that, as their reward for fielding this lackluster team, the Sox will earn the #2 draft pick for 2014 -- and they will use it to land Sam Bowie.
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If anyone is dumb enough to claim either Dunn or Rios when they are put through waivers (I'm looking at you, Texas), I say let them have them for free. I don't need Hahn to work out a trade, just get rid of them and their salaries.
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I'd still like to get at least one live arm in return. The way the CBA is set up now, it's harder to just spend you way into having a good farm system... it'll take time.
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I'd still like to get at least one live arm in return. The way the CBA is set up now, it's harder to just spend you way into having a good farm system... it'll take time.
This is an important note, just cannot go hog wild and overspend at draft or internationally any longer.
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I know, but I'm pretty sure the $$$ limits do not apply to Cuban defectors (they are free agents) and to posting for the rights to get Japanese players.
Hey, I'd love to get something for them, but I seriously doubt that is going to happen.
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I'd rather spend $$$ on proven FA players than on Cuban defects (really iffy, IMO) or Japanese players (iffy... see: Fukudome, Kosuke). At least we'd be overpaying for what we've seen against real competition.
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This is an important note, just cannot go hog wild and overspend at draft or internationally any longer.
And that makes Mr. Epstein very sad.
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Draft lots of pitching, trade off prospects for hitters. Pick up some Caribbean players.
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Cuban defectors
Clever way to sneak in a plug for your Public Image Limited cover band, Blackie...
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This is an important note, just cannot go hog wild and overspend at draft or internationally any longer.
And that makes Mr. Epstein very sad.
Not true. Epstein already found a loophole in the new system. You can vastly overspend for international players. Just can't do it every year but you can now do it every other year.
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While I would rather see Rios, Dunn, and Ramirez and their salaries go, I admire the way Dunn has come back from the depths he was at. Hitting nearly .300 with lots of power for 50+ games is impressive. Where did l the rest of our power go?
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While I would rather see Rios, Dunn, and Ramirez and their salaries go, I admire the way Dunn has come back from the depths he was at. Hitting nearly .300 with lots of power for 50+ games is impressive. Where did l the rest of our power go?
Well, Konerko has been mediocre-to-horse$hit for a full year now:
Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
Last 365 days 125 125 516 467 45 114 15 0 17 58 0 0 43 76 .244 .310 .385 .696
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Cuban defectors
Clever way to sneak in a plug for your Public Image Limited cover band, Blackie...
Heh.
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What MSF said, though in the early rounds, if there's a "sure fire" hitter (not a "toolsy" guy - I'm talking about a "close to ML-ready with a pretty high ceiling" guy that our system couldn't possibly F up) in the early rounds, I take him. We do a good job of developing pitchers - draft to your strength for sure, but if there's a chance to get a really good position player in the early rounds (again - not a Jared Mitchell), I say take him.
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I would agree, but maybe not this org. We may have missed on the past 5 OFs we had high hopes on. We get hitters from other orgs and they seem to digress (except for this Jacobs kid we got for Thornton, he has done very well).
Beckham has come around and looks decent with the bat however. So their is some hope. But we do know pitching.
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Good article:
Bernstein: A Reason for Optimism
Take your eyes away from the flaming garbage that is the White sox at the moment, if you have yet to do so.
Ignore the defensive buffoonery, the maddening struggle to reach base, and the brain-dead behavior once somebody actually, astonishingly gets there, only to be picked off or thrown out. Don’t think about the stalled development of young players, either. And take a deep breath.
Something good is happening, and it’s visible in the hard numbers.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/08/07/bernstein-a-reason-for-white-sox-optimism/
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There is only one FA that interests me for next year and his name is Brian McCann.
Sign him and let him DH/C with Phegley.
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They are reporting on the local sports yakker that Alex Rios has been claimed on waivers (team unknown).
Please please please please just let him go....
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No harm to us, that's how we got him.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/phillies-claim-casper-wells-off-waivers.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Casper Wells to the Phillies.
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I doubt Hahn will let Rios go for nothing. After all that talk he did about demanding prospects for him around the trade deadline, to turn around and just give him away now would make him look like a fool and other GM's will just call his bluff in the future.
Besides, if a deal can't be worked out now he can always trade Rios during the offseason. Hahn has said he's not under any orders to shed salary so they're not looking for a straight salary dump....they want prospects to reload.
But I guess we'll see how much of that was true or not in the 2 days.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/unknown-team-claims-alex-rios-on-waivers.html
This says the Rangers claimed him.
I don't buy the assumption that "he can always be traded in the off-season" -- guessing that if that is the case, the Sox will have to eat significant money. Certainly try to get something via this claim, but I am all in on payroll flexibility over eating money to get some schmoe prospect.
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A: Casper Wells to the Phillies (in a waiver claim).
Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?
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But Texas is desperate for a bat now after the Cruz suspension and that puts the Sox in the driver's seat on this. Don't just let them off the hook for not being able to work out a deal earlier.
If the Sox can't trade Rios in the offseason there's always next year's trade deadline. Sure, he'd be in the last year of his contract but that didn't stop the Cubs from getting decent value for Garza.
I think Hahn needs to prove himself to the rest of the baseball world and stand his ground on this. If not and he lets Rios go for nothing for the financial flexibility, well that's okay with me too. ;D
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A: Casper Wells to the Phillies (in a waiver claim).
Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?
Yeah, pretty much.
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Look at what Rios makes and his production just this year, and compare it the other available right field options the Rangers can find at the same productivity and same price or less. I'm guessing we get them to pay his full salary (because he is worth it), and a decent prospect as well, or else we pull him back off of waivers tomorrow.
Former GM Jim Bowdon on ESPN insider says Rios is worth his pay plus a coupe of prospects because he can be controlled a few year.
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A: Casper Wells to the Phillies (in a waiver claim).
Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?
Yeah, pretty much.
He robbed someone of a game winning home run to clinch a Sox win last month.
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I'd rather not risk injury or another sucky Rios year to try to get more next year... Take that $13 million + whatever he's owed for the rest of the year and invest in scouting and Latin America. Make the pay off be a better draft next year.
That said, one has to assume that the Rangers are willing to take on the salary or else they wouldn't have claimed him, so I would expect they're willing to give up a couple low-tier prospects for him.
Ken Rosenthal is on WSCR in a minute; if he says anything of note, I'll post it.
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KR:
White Sox want something for Rios. Rangers more motivated to get him now (as opposed to at the deadline) because they lost Cruz & Murphy.
If they take him, the Rangers would be assuming $19 million for this year, next year, and the 2015 buy out. When you take on that money, you don't give up much.
White Sox dilemma: can they do better in the off-season? There's more suitors, but then again, they did at the deadline and there were no takers. (BlackSox adds: and is that additional gain worth the $4 million he's owed the rest of the year?)
White Sox position: he's better than guys like Swisher (who have bigger deals), so they believe he has value.
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What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?
Retarted puns and plays on words with his first name.
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I would agree with Blackie, except that Rangers are in a pickle.
Demand Brett Nicholas, even if we have to cough up the extra money Rios will be owed if he's traded.
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Thought I read somewhere the Rangers were about 5 deep in SS prospects. Take the 4th or 5th best one, they still gotta be better than our SS prospects. Plus, with Profar and the kid who starts in the majors, there are 2 real good ones in front of these lower ranked guys.
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Casper Wells
Why all the fuss about some water holes in eastern Wyoming?
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msf
You don't consider Tim Anderson a decent prospect?
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4nek8 wins the internets for the day. So sayeth I.
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msf
You don't consider Tim Anderson a decent prospect?
Yes, but you need more than one at a position. I like Marcus Semien in our system the best, but he will be 2B or 3B, he may be ready next year. He is a good one. Anderson will end up in the OF or somewhere other than SS is my guess, but I like him quite a bit as a hitter. Maybe he will make it. Did not intend to diss him.
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4nek8 wins the internets for the day. So sayeth I.
I agree
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4nek8 wins the internets for the day.
Awesome! That's twice in 11 years that I've taken home Jeter trophy. Trending upward!
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4nek8 wins the internets for the day.
Awesome! That's twice in 11 years that I've taken home Jeter trophy. Trending upward!
Even the blind squirrel blah, blah, blah
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Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?
Reading a text message regarding Casper Wells hitting an rbi producing double and thinking "Who is Casper Wells?" That's actually about me, and not Casper, but that is exactly how life should be! Are you listening MSF?
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huh?
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It's all about me.
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oh, yeah, I knew that. heh. But it should be!!
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I have to criticize Rick Hahn for not having Avisail Garcia on the 1st plane scheduled out of Charlotte to Chicago this morning. SWA Flight 691 was nonstop leaving Charlotte at 6:50am and arriving at Midway at 7:45am. They didn't have to officially 'call him up' before the Rios deal came to a finale but there's no good excuse for not having Garcia in Chicago before the waiver wire claim deadline expired. Especially with a double header scheduled today and a day-to-day Viciedo on the roster.
At the very worst, Avisail Garcia would have missed one minor league game instead of now missing two games starting in the lineup at the Cell. Pretty bad when you're forced to start both Jordan Danks and Blake Tekotte in both games of a doubleheader. Got to think ahead or are they hoping to lose for a better pick? :)
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Pretty sure Sox Brass could afford to rent a private jet for a one-way trip; after all, they trimmed $18 million from the budget earlier today.
Heck, Reinsdorf probably owns one.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/al-notes-hanson-ellsbury-reynolds-konerko.html
Scott Gregor surmises that this is Konerko's last year.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/al-notes-hanson-ellsbury-reynolds-konerko.html
Scott Gregor surmises that this is Konerko's last year.
I hope that's true. He's been disappointing, to put it nicely, for over a year now. Over the last 365 days, Paulie's .247/.314/.386
Use the money saved to go after Abreu from Cuba.
From Paul Konerko to Jose Abreu?
http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/8/13/4616614/jose-abreu-white-sox-rumors-paul-konerko (http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/8/13/4616614/jose-abreu-white-sox-rumors-paul-konerko)
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Pretty sure I like Mark Parent:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130826&content_id=58505680¬ebook_id=58514114&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws
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Sox going to Denver in April...
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Last time they were here (2011) I went to all three games; not sure I'll be so eager to shell out the cash next year.
Nothing more painful than watchin' The Beloved lose in person.
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Last time they were here for a regular season game was 2003. F'ing ridiculous, I think they've played in Pittsburgh three times since that. I don't know if they're skipping Atlanta just because they played their spring training finale here for a couple of years. If that's the justification for no road trip to Atlanta for a dozen years, then really f'ing ridiculous.
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They were here (Denver) in 2005 too. I went in 2011 and watched Buehrle, I will probably go to one game.
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This is probably more an "Around Baseball" topic, but why in hell is Pittsburgh playing Texas in mid-September?
aka Loveland, sound off.
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Answer #1: 15 and 15 (instead of 14 and 16) = interleague (almost) every day.
Answer #2: Elvis needs boats.
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Answer #2
And there you go. Question answered.
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Dale Sveum for hitting coach! :-)
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Making room on the 40-man roster, and clearing out some dead weight:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-white-sox-outright-ramon-troncoso-20131004,0,2052342.story
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White Sox to tab Steverson as hitting coach
Former big leaguer spent past two years as A's Minor League hitting coordinator
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 10/25/2013 9:38 A.M. ET
CHICAGO -- The White Sox will name Todd Steverson as their new hitting coach after the conclusion of the World Series, a Major League source confirmed on Friday. The White Sox declined comment on the impending hire.
Steverson, who turns 42 on Nov. 15, previously served as Oakland's first-base coach and was a manager and hitting coach in their farm system. The past two seasons, he has served as Oakland's Minor League hitting coordinator. Steverson replaces Jeff Manto, who was relieved of his duties by the White Sox at the end of the 2013 season following two seasons as hitting coach.
In a past interview with the Modesto Bee, Steverson talked about his aggressive philosophy for hitters at the plate.
"You don't want passive hitters. You want people that do know the strike zone and are able to put a good swing on a ball in the strike zone. That's still the philosophy, to swing at strikes," Steverson said. "There's a difference between being on the offense and being on the defense when you are in the box.
"I want all my hitters to be on the offense when they stand in there. And that includes when you get your pitch -- when you get the ball across the plate as a strike -- give it what you got. You don't want to leave home plate saying, 'I could have, should have, would have' or whatever like that. You only get four [at-bats] a day, or how many you get in a week or a month, so you have to go out there and give it all you got every time. Under-control aggression is a good way to put it."
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-to-tab-todd-steverson-as-hitting-coach?ymd=20131025&content_id=63343804&vkey=news_mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-to-tab-todd-steverson-as-hitting-coach?ymd=20131025&content_id=63343804&vkey=news_mlb)
also: http://swinginas.com/2013/10/25/todd-steverson-joins-chicago-white-sox-hitting-coach/ (http://swinginas.com/2013/10/25/todd-steverson-joins-chicago-white-sox-hitting-coach/)
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I like that hire. a lot.
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I like his philosophy. And, it is such an un-Kenny move.
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Abreu will wear #79. Contract details, Hahn thoughts here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-introduce-jose-abreu-20131029,0,840255.story
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White Sox introduce slugger Abreu to Chicago
Twenty-six-year-old first baseman signs six-year, $68 million deal
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 10/29/2013 12:24 P.M. ET
CHICAGO -- The White Sox announced the signing of first baseman Jose Abreu to a six-year, $68 million deal and introduced the Cuban slugger during a news conference Tuesday at U.S. Cellular Field.
Abreu will receive a $10 million signing bonus and be paid $7 million in 2014 and 2015, $10 million in 2016, $10.5 million in 2017, $11.5 million in 2018 and $12 million in 2019.
Abreu, 26, stood at the center of general manager Rick Hahn's plan for reshaping a White Sox team that lost 99 games in 2013. Chicago is not writing off the 2014 season as part of this reshaping, but the club is also not looking for a quick fix over a year or two, not by trade and certainly not by domestic free agency.
"This is a good day today," Hahn said. "As we talked about, as we went through the difficulties of last season, we undertook some moves to provide us with some flexibility to give us the opportunity to make some impact signings.
"When Jose became available toward the end of the summer, it became clear that he was a very high-priority target for us."
Abreu played nine seasons for Cienfuegos in Serie Nacional (Cuban National Series), Cuba's top-level league. The 6-foot-3, 255-pound right-handed hitter made his debut with the team in 2004 at age 17.
Including postseason play, Abreu hit .392 with 133 home runs, 337 RBIs, 311 runs scored and 278 walks in 346 games over the past four seasons.
read more & watch video: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-announce-signing-of-cuban-first-baseman-jose-abreu?content_id=63441434&partnerId=as_mlb_20131029_13750444&vkey=news_mlb&ymd=20131028 (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-announce-signing-of-cuban-first-baseman-jose-abreu?content_id=63441434&partnerId=as_mlb_20131029_13750444&vkey=news_mlb&ymd=20131028)
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Abreu will wear #79.
What does he think he is, a defensive end?
Kind of stupid for a starting first baseman to wear such a number.
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Chuck Garfien @ChuckGarfien
Rick Hahn says White Sox will continue to add players. Yep, more moves to come.
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Dayan Viciedo and Tyler Flowers are 'Super 2s" and are now eligible for arbitration. Recently released David Purcey also qualified for "Super2" status:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/felix-doubront-misses-arbitration-cutoff-194320643--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/felix-doubront-misses-arbitration-cutoff-194320643--mlb.html)
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Red sox doing so well with their retooling means the wsox rebuilding is basically a non starter... shame.
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White Sox outright Castro
36 minutes ago AP - Sports
CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox have outrighted right-handed pitcher Simon Castro to Triple-A Charlotte.
Castro was 0-1 with a 2.70 ERA in four games with the White Sox last season. He went 3-7 with a 5.83 ERA over 27 appearances (12 starts) with Charlotte.
The move announced Friday puts the White Sox's 40-man roster at 36.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-outright-castro-194449969--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-outright-castro-194449969--mlb.html)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/castrsi01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/castrsi01.shtml)
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That was the big piece we got for Q right?
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That was the big piece we got for Q right?
yes. Trading Q was mainly a salary dump.
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We also got a LH that we traded to Twins for Liriano, so yep, nothing more than a salary dump.
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Sox add two crappy prospects to 40-man roster (to protect them from Rule 5 draft), and also claim some schmoe off waivers:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-claim-jake-elmore-waivers-20131120,0,7871909.story
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"Hey Dylan Axelrod, why the long face?"
"I got non-tendered."
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Daniel Hudson was non tendered by the d-backs as well.
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Good one Blackie.
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Article in the Baseball America I got in the mail this week about Logan White, a super scout. He was the one guy Dan Evans took a real big chance on when he got to be GM of the Dodgers. White turned out to be a superstar. Evans staff is the one that got the Dodgers all their younger talent. Whatever happened to Evans?
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Article in the Baseball America I got in the mail this week about Logan White, a super scout. He was the one guy Dan Evans took a real big chance on when he got to be GM of the Dodgers. White turned out to be a superstar. Evans staff is the one that got the Dodgers all their younger talent. Whatever happened to Evans?
He's a scout for the Toronto Blue Jays. Also the commissioner of the new, independent Northern League of Professional Baseball which is scheduled to start play in 2014. Evans also owns a 'baseball consulting' firm and wrote some columns for Baseball Prospectus (last one was in January 2013). BTW, the Blue Jays have 4 former MLB GMs as members of their scouting staff (Dan Evans, Jim Beattie, Ed Lynch and Chuck LaMar).
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Sox sign another schmoe they think they can fix:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20131209&content_id=64504250&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws
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Yeah, this guy will take a lot of work.
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"the White Sox learned plenty about Sale’s character in 2013 as he never once lashed out publicly despite more frustrating personal moments than one should ever have to handle."
Blackie? Anything from around the campfire?
MSF, email me. whichever one you have
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I think that is referring to the fact that Sale got ZERO run support last season, thus giving him an awful W-L record despite his Top-5-Cy-Young year performance.
Then again, "Wins" is an incredibly meaningless / misleading pitching stat.
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Bo knows SoxFest...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-bo-jackson-jim-thome-soxfest-20131217,0,42373.story
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Beckham, Thome happy Konerko opted to return
Second baseman didn't want veteran to go out on heels of 99-loss season
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 12/22/2013 5:16 P.M. ET
LISLE, Ill. -- Gordon Beckham had three primary reasons in wanting Paul Konerko to return to the White Sox for a 16th and final season.
The White Sox second baseman didn't want the captain to end his stellar career with the 99-loss White Sox debacle of 2013. He wanted a healthy Konerko to have another shot after battling issues with his back last year. And the third one was a little more personal.
When Konerko left U.S. Cellular Field to a thunderous ovation in the second inning of the final game of the '13 campaign, Beckham chose not to shake hands with his friend and mentor. Beckham didn't want to acknowledge that moment might be Konerko's last one with the White Sox.
"I didn't want to regret that decision for rest of my life," Beckham told MLB.com during a phone interview. "I told him, 'I'm not shaking it. I want you to come back.'
"I'm glad he is. We are great friends, and he has a wealth of knowledge needed to help out young guys. There are guys coming in that need to see Paul's work ethic and what it takes for someone who wants to be good. It's a no-brainer, a special thing to have him. I'll soak up as much as I can from him."
Jim Thome was one of the people who Konerko spoke to before making his decision to return for one more season and then agreeing to terms with the White Sox on a one-year, $2.5 million deal with $1 million deferred. Thome played as a full-time force into the 2009 season, accumulating 612 homers overall for his Hall of Fame-worthy 22-year career, before the White Sox traded him to the Dodgers on Aug. 31, 2009.
Thome served as a pinch-hitter for the Dodgers and then played three more seasons as a part-time player with the Twins, Indians, Phillies and Orioles. His plate appearance high during that time was 340 with the Twins in '10, when he launched 25 home runs.
According to Thome's comments during Sunday's youth hitting clinic at the Bulls/Sox Academy, where he served as an instructor, getting those extra days off as Konerko will in a part-time situation can only benefit the veteran at this point of his career.
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/gordon-beckham-jim-thome-happy-paul-konerko-returning-for-final-season-with-white-sox?ymd=20131222&content_id=66139030&vkey=news_mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/gordon-beckham-jim-thome-happy-paul-konerko-returning-for-final-season-with-white-sox?ymd=20131222&content_id=66139030&vkey=news_mlb)
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Interesting analysis of Nate Jones' 2013 season:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/12/27/5057122/the-bedeviling-nate-jones
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He needs to step it up next year, for sure. Throw more strikes! Still too much low-and-away.
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The Chicago White Sox and outfielder Dayan Viciedo have agreed to terms on a one-year, $2.8-million contract, avoiding arbitration.
Since 2012, Viciedo ranks second among AL outfielders with 25 assists, trailing only Kansas City’s Alex Gordon (34).
The White Sox have two remaining arbitration-eligible players: Gordon Beckham and Alejandro De Aza.
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Bob Dylan Axelrose is back in the fold
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Scroll down to read a tid about Jenks making a comeback
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•The White Sox have agreed to terms with right-hander Brian Omogrosso to a minor league contract, MLB.com's Scott Merkin reports (Twitter link). Omogrosso elected to become a free agent in October after the White Sox outrighted him off their 40-man roster. Omogrosso, 29, posted a 9.37 ERA, 8.8 K/9 and 1.78 K/BB rate over in 16 1/3 relief innings with Chicago last season.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/white-sox-to-sign-brian-omograsso.html
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http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/jose-abreus-first-white-sox-impression-was-good-one
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White Sox creatively attempting to rebuild the right way
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-creatively-attempting-to-rebuild-the-right-way-171948113.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-creatively-attempting-to-rebuild-the-right-way-171948113.html)
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That's a good read but the 2014 White Sox won't lose more than 81 games
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Sox avoid arbitration with Gordon Beckham, Alejandro De Aza
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/sox-avoid-arbitration-gordon-beckham-alejandro-de-aza (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/sox-avoid-arbitration-gordon-beckham-alejandro-de-aza)
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I would be OK with dealing Beckham. If his D is not really special then yeah, he ain't worth the money.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chicago-white-sox-second-baseman-gordon-beckham-could-192500087--mlb.html
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I say give him one more year to find himself at the plate. But if he's playing daily, no health issues, and he puts together another mediocre offensive slash line, yeah, it's time to take a look at other options.
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Who knew? Well, Bo did.
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/bo-jackson-rejoins-white-sox-team-ambassador?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
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Yeah, might as well give Gordo one last shot wit the new hitting coach. WTFN?
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Ventura getting a contract extension today?
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Apparently.
Why the hell not, you know? If the team's going to suck, they'll suck with or without him. Might as well at least give the guy job security since he isn't the one who screwed things up last year (well, at least not the worst).
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Apparently.
Why the hell not, you know? If the team's going to suck, they'll suck with or without him. Might as well at least give the guy job security since he isn't the one who screwed things up last year (well, at least not the worst).
Joseph, long time no hear. Good to have ya back.
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Thanks. It's been a long and tumultuous (but good) few months. Took a new job in the Detroit area. Big step up financially and career-wise... plus I finally got to meet our very own Furio, who's given me quite a bit of advice on the area.
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That is super. Furio is a good dude, no matter what everyone else says, heh.
Good luck with the changes.
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Thanks!
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-might-not-name-closer-until-late-march?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Headline: White Sox might not name closer until late March.
Subtext: White Sox might not need closer until next March.
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Thanks!
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-might-not-name-closer-until-late-march?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Headline: White Sox might not name closer until late March.
Subtext: White Sox might not need closer until next March.
heh, I want Jones staying as setup man.
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I hope they make him a closer... and then trade him away... then prepare a new one and trade that one away too.... lot of surplus value in closers just starting down the arbitration road.
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Jones should close if he can command his stuff. If not, I think Lindstrom. Unless he was part of our purge. I thought we re-upped with him though.
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White Sox sign reliever Mitchell Boggs
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-sign-reliever-mitchell-boggs (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-sign-reliever-mitchell-boggs)
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/boggsmi01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/boggsmi01.shtml)
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Assuming they saw something in his mechanics that they think they can fix.
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Stats last year make it appear he was hurt.
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he was closer once Motte got hurt and just didnt handle the gig well. was great as a setup guy for years.
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he was closer once Motte got hurt and just didnt handle the gig well. was great as a setup guy for years.
We have had our share of those, Thornton and Crain, good setup men, not closers.
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I love me some Rick Hahn
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rick-hahn-39-vision-evident-revamped-chicago-white-155400283--mlb.html
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/02/09/jose-abreu-chicago-white-sox-cuban-baseball-yasiel-puig/5349629/
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Thanks for the Hahn article Shoeless, good stuff.
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I think he has a plan. Kenny shot from the hip. Gonna be a good few years. I just hope Abreu is close to what some think. That will be cool
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Why are most people talking about Paulino being the 5th starter, what happened to Rienzo. I thought he seemed like he deserved a shot, do not even see his name mentioned in the articles. Its like we think Paulino is healthy all of a sudden? Sheesh.
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I was not impressed at all by Rienzo. His minor league stats suck, and while he was OK first go around in the bigs, adjustments would be made by big league hitters, and I see him being nothing but another Axelrod. ( was thinking about saying Jeremy Reed) ;)
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Interesting about the ground ball rates. Would like to see that kind of analysis from the local beat writers.
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Very interesting and bravo to Hahn. It always makes me wonder when I see Detroit go after mashers instead of speed and defense. Does Dombrowski ever look around at the size of his park?
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Danks says he feels 18 again, which tells me he's still about 5 years from being MLB ready...
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•The White Sox and pitcher Jose Quintana do not plan to discuss an extension during spring training, Cotillo tweets. Quintana, 25, posted a 3.51 ERA with 7.4 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 in 200 innings in 2013. He will likely be eligible for arbitration next offseason as a Super Two player.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/extension-notes-segura-bailey-quintana-parker.html
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Haven't been this excited about a season in a long time. Just really looking forward to seeing Abreu, Garcia, Eaton. And I think the starters have a chance to be just about as good as any. If Johnson is good, look out.
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If Johnson is good, look out.
I don't know WHAT to say about that.
Seriously, I am guardedly optimistic about the upcoming season. At the very least, the Sox won't blow quite as much.
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White Sox announce 2014 broadcast schedule
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140224&content_id=68263018&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws
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http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140226&content_id=68365662&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws
The Chicago White Sox will bring back the 1983 throwback jerseys as one of the team's permanent uniforms and wear during select games at home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU8KCBZtpEk
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Have officially purchased my tickets to the Saturday, April 26 game against Tampa Bay.
Minnie Minoso statues certain to be worth more than my Nick Swisher bobbleheads....
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I just realized today that the Sox are coming to Denver on the first road trip of the year. I am such a dolt! he We'll have to take in at least one of those games. I might wait for the rotation to be confirmed because I would love to see Sale in person, a straight 4 man would put him on the Wednesday afternoon game.
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Some random happenings here at Camelback Ranch today
Adam Eaton was giving all the kids who had Dodger jerseys a tough time ;)
Gordon Beckham seemed very irritable with the autograph seekers
Carlos Sanchez played well but he sure gained some weight and looks a bit plump
I asked Rick Hahn is there were any trades on the horizon, he showed me his cell phone and said "no calls today"
Jordan Danks looks real locked in at the plate.
John Danks spent the most time giving autographs
Every play at the plate today played out awkwardly by both the catcher and runner.
Same old, DeAza just missed getting picked off with the bases loaded
Jim Thome took in some swings
Kenny Williams worked out most of the morning by himself on a far off empty field
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I just realized today that the Sox are coming to Denver on the first road trip of the year.
I have 4 tix lined up behind the Sox dugout for Weds afternoon. I'll have to see about the other two games as they are night games, which that time of year can be nice or 40 degrees and raining
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pretty fair assessment of the state of the sox
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/offseason-in-review-chicago-white-sox.html
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a straight 4 man
You rang, Ms. Love?
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Before it even began, the Mitchell Boggs era is OVAH!
Sox demote Matt Davidson, Jordan Danks
By Colleen Kane, Tribune reporter - 12:31 p.m. CDT, March 23, 2014
GLENDALE, Ariz. – Third baseman Matt Davidson and outfielder Jordan Danks felt like they had solid showings for the Chicago White Sox in spring training this year, but both will start the season in the minor leagues after the Sox optioned them to Triple-A Charlotte on Sunday.
The Sox made five roster moves prior to Sunday’s game against the Rockies, also optioning right-hander Jake Petricka to Charlotte, assigning right-hander Dylan Axelrod to minor league camp and requesting waivers in order to grant the unconditional release of right-handed reliever Mitchell Boggs, who joined the team as a free agent in the offseason.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-matt-davidson-jordan-danks-20140323,0,6075964.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-matt-davidson-jordan-danks-20140323,0,6075964.story)
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Quintana inks five-year deal with White Sox
By Joey Nowak / MLB.com | 3/24/2014 12:01 P.M. ET
The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a five-year contract with left-handed pitcher Jose Quintana, which includes two club options.
If Quintana, 25, is eligible for arbitration following the 2014 season, the total guaranteed dollars would be $26.5 million. He would receive $850,000 in 2014, $3.4 million in 2015, $5.4 million in 2016, $7 million in 2017 and $8.85 million in 2018. The White Sox would hold options for 2019 at $10.5 million and for 2020 at $11.5 million. If either option is declined, Quintana would receive a $1 million buyout.
If Quintana is not eligible for arbitration after the 2014 season, the total guaranteed dollars would be $21.0 million. He would receive $850,000 in 2014, $1 million in 2015, $3.8 million in 2016, $6 million in 2017 and $8.35 million in 2018. The Sox would hold options for 2019 at $10.5 million and for 2020 at $11.5 million with a $1million buyout.
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-sign-left-handed-pitcher-jose-quintana-to-a-five-year-contract-contract?ymd=20140324&content_id=70006044&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-sign-left-handed-pitcher-jose-quintana-to-a-five-year-contract-contract?ymd=20140324&content_id=70006044&vkey=news_cws)
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Your 2014 starting pitchers:
Ventura said the Sox rotation order will start with left-hander Chris Sale, followed by right-hander Felipe Paulino, left-hander Jose Quintana, right-hander Erik Johnson and left-hander John Danks.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-starting-rotation-20140325,0,137879.story
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Has Paulino done something this spring I'm not aware of?
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He's splitting the lefty's from the righty's, so it would either be Paulino or Johnson number 2. I think Paulino has been a little stronger, and he probably doesn't want a rookie in the number 2 spot.
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Paulino had a nice start his last time out, 5 innings with 1 run. He can be overpowering. I think Juan has the correct reasons as well.
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Hawk ready for White Sox to start fresh
Legendary broadcaster focused on team's core of young talent
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 3/26/2014 10:00 A.M. ET
CHICAGO -- A prevailing thought running through the mind of Ken "Hawk" Harrelson goes something like this: Don't even mention the 2013 White Sox season at the start of the 2014 campaign or any other time throughout the 162-game schedule.
This iconic television play-by-play personality, beginning his 30th season in the White Sox booth, understands that thought won't be entirely possible to execute.
"Yeah, I've never seen a ballclub perform that poorly," Harrelson told MLB.com of last year's 99-loss campaign during a recent Spring Training conversation. "Not any club I played on or any club I was associated with.
"I told players this is the worst performing team I've ever been associated with in my life and I never want to see it again, I can tell you that. It took me a long time to get over it.
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/broadcaster-hawk-harrelson-ready-for-white-sox-to-start-fresh?ymd=20140326&content_id=70043310&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/broadcaster-hawk-harrelson-ready-for-white-sox-to-start-fresh?ymd=20140326&content_id=70043310&vkey=news_cws)
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The White Sox made several moves on Wednesday, the most significant of which was the placement of starting second baseman Gordon Beckham on the disabled list with an oblique injury. Marcus Semien will replace him in the starting lineup.
The temporary loss of Beckham resulted in fellow second baseman Leury Garcia landing a spot on the opening day roster.
http://bbl69.baseball.cbssports.com/players/playerpage/news/1660445
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Keppinger also starts on the DL:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-beckham-keppinger-dl-20140326,0,5408204.story
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Yes! S*ck it, Michelle Obama...
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/10676917/chicago-white-sox-offer-3-pound-sundae-helmet
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Sox outright Guerra to Triple-A Charlotte
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-guerra-charlotte-20140328,0,7028438.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-guerra-charlotte-20140328,0,7028438.story)
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Daniel Webb makes the 25-man opening day roster:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-reassign-minor-league-camp-20140328,0,2523214.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-reassign-minor-league-camp-20140328,0,2523214.story)
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162-0, me frien'.
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162-0, me frien'.
Pass it over to me.
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A. Garcia out for the year - torn labrum.
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Well, if it wasn't already a rebuilding season, it is now.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-avisail-garcia-out-for-season-20140410,0,1770403.story
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Well, if it wasn't already a rebuilding season, it is now.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-avisail-garcia-out-for-season-20140410,0,1770403.story
The mlb.com story which includes the CSN-Chicago video/audio of the play:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/avisail-garcia-of-white-sox-to-have-season-ending-shoulder-surgery?ymd=20140410&content_id=71604500&vkey=news_mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/avisail-garcia-of-white-sox-to-have-season-ending-shoulder-surgery?ymd=20140410&content_id=71604500&vkey=news_mlb)
I still can't believe Ventura didn't challenge the "trapped ball" call as that was a turning point in the game.
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Ugh, a whole year of Avi Garcia's development is gone now. That stinks. If he were a halfway decent outfielder this wouldn't have happened. In every game I saw he was making easy plays look difficult.
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An update on Beckham from "The Bright One":
Gordon Beckham is fielding ground balls and taking batting practice at Class AA Birmingham, but Ventura doesn’t see him returning to game action right away. Beckham hasn’t played since last Thursday when he had a setback in his recovery from a strained left oblique.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/26809010-574/felipe-paulino-gets-a-warning-from-robin-ventura-that-he-has-to-step-it-up.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/26809010-574/felipe-paulino-gets-a-warning-from-robin-ventura-that-he-has-to-step-it-up.html)
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I pissed off over Ventura's passiveness over the replay system. Terry Francona blew him away this weekend as Robin never challenged the plays he was crazy not to, and terry was smart to challenge at every opportunity.
Love to see us get Joe Madden here. JR and his loyalties could never do it though,
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Here's your bullpen help:
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White Sox sign Frank Francisco
Aaron Gleeman - Apr 14, 2014, 5:43 PM EDT
Veteran reliever Frank Francisco has signed a minor-league contract with the White Sox.
Francisco was slated to be the Mets’ closer last season, but instead elbow problems kept him sidelined until September and he made a total of just eight appearances. He also wasn’t any good for the Mets in 2012, saving 23 games with an ugly 5.47 ERA after signing a two-year, $12.5 million deal as a free agent.
Injuries and poor control made Francisco a poor fit as a closer, but he’s always missed plenty of bats and thrown plenty hard. If healthy he could help Chicago in a setup role, especially given the White Sox’s current need for bullpen depth. For now he’ll head to Triple-A at age 34.
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/14/white-sox-sign-frank-francisco/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/14/white-sox-sign-frank-francisco/)
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My guy! Franky-Frank is back.
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Cool, I always like Franky Francisco. He gets it back and we are set.
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Belisario and Lindstrom have been put on notice. Francisco and Guerra are waiting at AAA.
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add Downs to that list. He's has been as bad as those two.
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Downs has been a huge disappointment, I knew the others could implode but I thought he was safe from that.
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Downs is a lefty. And since Veal has s*cked, we really have no options for replacing him right now.
We'll have to ride his early struggles out. Hopefully he'll get going.
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Felipe Paulino to the DL. To replace him on the 25-man roster, the White Sox recalled Andre Rienzo from Charlotte.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140419&content_id=72648260&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t494&sid=t494 (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140419&content_id=72648260&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t494&sid=t494)
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Dunn is over 300 BA and way over 400 OBP.
If he keeps this up for a month or two we could get something very decent in return,
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Is there anyone who watched Paulino pitch this month that didn't know he was disabled?
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Let me be the first to suggest Scott Downs and Ron Belisario for the DL too...
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White Sox starter Chris Sale headed to DL
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-chris-sale-tigers-20140421,0,6572986.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-chris-sale-tigers-20140421,0,6572986.story)
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Ugh.
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Strained flexor... 3 days after he throws 127 pitches...
Dusty Ventura?
Really hope this doesnt go down the patrick corbin route where one week its nothing to worry about the next week its partially torn and TJ.
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If that's all it is, we're lucky. Sale has been overused the entire month.
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Frickin sh*tty-arse bullpen.
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Sale has had arm trouble every spring thus far. Been on DL before. I do not have a problem with him throwing 120 pitches. He is likely going to be ok.
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I worry a lot about Sale's arm. I know this has happened before and they've rested him and he's come back strong, but I still worry.
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It is what it is, there were articles saying we were only team brave enough to take him as early as we did. We have gotten a lot out of his arm thus far, more than anyone expected. I think there will be more.
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White Sox claim right-hander Noesi off waivers
By Daryl Van Schouwen | Get In Touch: @CST_soxvan | dvanschouwen@suntimes.com
Inside the White Sox, Sports - April 25, 2014 1:23 pm
The White Sox claimed right-handed pitcher Hector Noesi off waivers from the Texas Rangers Friday.
Noesi, 27, has struggled in April between the Seattle Mariners and Texas, allowing 10 earned runs over 6 1/3 innings (14.21 ERA). He got roughed up by the Sox for seven runs over one inning in Texas on April 20 and was designated for assignment two days later. He had pitched 4 1/3 scoreless innings over his first two games with the Rangers.
Over four major-league seasons Noesi has pitched in 69 games, including 21 starts between the Yankees, Mariners and Rangers. His career record is 4-16 with a 5.81 ERA with 140 strikeouts over 196 2/3 innings.
The Sox 40-man roster now stands at 40.
A shortage of quality pitching depth has kept Sox general manager Rick Hahn active on the waiver wires and discard pools, claiming or signing right-handers Javy Guerra, Maikel Cleto, Frank Francisco, Tommy Hanson and Noesi. Cleto made the team out of spring training.
http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-claim-right-hander-noesi-off-waivers/#.U1qn37PIFE0.twitter (http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-claim-right-hander-noesi-off-waivers/#.U1qn37PIFE0.twitter)
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White Sox believe they can fix waiver claim Noesi
Duh, really? I figured they claimed him because he was good enough as is.
http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-claim-right-hander-noesi-off-waivers/#.U1wbwyiE65R
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Sox's Gillaspie lands on DL
By Fred Mitchell Tribune reporter - 2:31 p.m. CDT, April 26, 2014
The Chicago White Sox placed infielder Conor Gillaspie (left hand contusion) on the 15-day disabled list before Saturday night’s game against the Tampa Bay Rays at U.S. Cellular Field.
Right-handed pitcher Hector Noesi, 27, acquired off waivers Friday from the Rangers, was placed on the 40-man active roster. Noesi gave up seven runs in one inning pitched last Sunday against the White Sox and was designated for assignment Tuesday.
Gillaspie, whose DL stint is retroactive to April 22, is hitting .302 with 12 RBIs.
fmitchell@tribune.com
Twitter@kicker34
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-conor-gillaspie-disabled-list-20140426,0,6709779.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-conor-gillaspie-disabled-list-20140426,0,6709779.story)
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I can't believe how horrific our pitching is.
MSF, Beckham has sucked for most of the last 6 years. Who would want to trade anything of value for a washed up guy making 4+ million? The guy shows no energy, and since he came back Luery's role is extinct.
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Beckham has value because 2B is a weak position across the league.
Danks is damaged goods now. He'll be going on the DL.
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Should never have traded away chris getz!
maybe beck's to toronto for getz?
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Plenty of roster moves today by the White Sox:
1.) Centerfielder Adam Eaton to the 15-day DL.
2.) Left-handed pitcher Frank De Los Santos recalled from Class AAA Charlotte.
3.) Outfielder Moises Sierra claimed off waivers from Toronto.
4.) Right-handed pitcher Nate Jones transferred to the 60-day disabled list.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-center-fielder-adam-eaton-placed-on-dl-with-hamstring-strain?ymd=20140502&content_id=74112396&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-center-fielder-adam-eaton-placed-on-dl-with-hamstring-strain?ymd=20140502&content_id=74112396&vkey=news_cws)
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Sox's Jones to undergo back surgery
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-nate-jones-surgery-20140503,0,1621006.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-nate-jones-surgery-20140503,0,1621006.story)
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Sierra adds depth to White Sox bench
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140504&content_id=74292690¬ebook_id=74292696&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140504&content_id=74292690¬ebook_id=74292696&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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Abreu named AL Player of the Month and Rookie of the Month.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-abreu-player-of-month-20140505,0,76769.story
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Sox option Jordan Danks; Gillaspie returns
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-jordan-danks-gillaspie-20140507,0,1533508.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-jordan-danks-gillaspie-20140507,0,1533508.story)
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White Sox Purchase Contract of Frank Francisco; Designate Cleto for Assignment
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140510&content_id=75007580&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140510&content_id=75007580&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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Keppenger: He Gone!
DFA'd and removed from the 40-man roster.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/white-sox-designate-jeff-keppinger-for-assignment.html
Never did like that signing. Thought it was a Teahen deal, this is just confirmation.
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Heh.
http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/trades-and-rumors-24/msg17873/#msg17873
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Keppenger: He Gone!
DFA'd and removed from the 40-man roster.
Good riddance
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Heh.
http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/trades-and-rumors-24/msg17873/#msg17873
Unnamed sources out of the state of Iowa claim ISF is scheduled to meet with Dr. James Andrews in Alabama for possible TJ surgery.
ISF injured his arm patting himself on the back for his correct prediction of Keppinger's failure with the White Sox. ;D
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heh
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/al-notes-keppinger-zobrist-singleton-devries.html
Earlier today, the White Sox made the tough decision to designate infielder Jeff Keppinger for assignment, despite the fact that his contract calls for a $4MM salary in 2014 and a $4.5MM salary in 2015. GM Rick Hahn spoke to reporters about the move about the decision: “We are focusing on the future as opposed to trying to justify a decision from the past. … [Keppinger's signing] didn’t work. That’s on me.”
Nice to see that Hahn isn't afraid to cut bait on a bad contract, or take responsibility for it. Bodes well for the future.
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Agree
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And sends a message to the players: perform or your out
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De Aza can be DFA'd as far as I am concerned. Might as well see if either Jordan Danks or that schmoe they picked up has anything. De Aza adds nothing, and has no future with this team. Danks and Sierra probably don;t either, but might as well give them One Last Shot.
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Really? De Aza has had two ok years with the bat. Gotta think he is better than those other two. Danks has a long swing. Sierra will never walk and makes mental mistakes galore.
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We have Eaton and the worst outfield ever.
Put Leury Garcia out there.
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Sox put Lindstrom on DL
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-lindstrom-disabled-list-20140520,0,3891787.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-lindstrom-disabled-list-20140520,0,3891787.story)
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicag-white-sox-place-closer-matt-lindstrom-on-disabled-list-call-up-pitcher-javy-guerra?ymd=20140520&content_id=76112384&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicag-white-sox-place-closer-matt-lindstrom-on-disabled-list-call-up-pitcher-javy-guerra?ymd=20140520&content_id=76112384&vkey=news_cws)
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Guerra gets #41.... does that make him Humber, Broadway, Simas... or Seaver?
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Guerra gets #41.... does that make him Humber, Broadway, Simas... or Seaver?
You forgot to add Dennis Higgins, Paul Edmondson, Brandon McCarthy, Daniel Hudson, Scott Nielsen, Jeff Carter, Floyd Weaver, Jason Grilli, Dick Tidrow, Fred Howard, Larry Monroe, Verle Tiefenthaler and Cy Acosta.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/uniform-numbers.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/uniform-numbers.shtml)
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Francisco....he gone:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/white-sox-to-designate-frank-francisco-for-assignment.html
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Keppinger gone too...unconditional release:
https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane/status/469206683260973056
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Lindstrom to have surgery on ankle, miss three months
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140521&content_id=76241470¬ebook_id=76287378&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140521&content_id=76241470¬ebook_id=76287378&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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This is cool. The best all-time choice for each of the first 15 rounds for the Sox.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-have-benefited-from-casting-wide-draft-net?ymd=20140529&content_id=77342514&vkey=news_cws
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This is cool. The best all-time choice for each of the first 15 rounds for the Sox.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-have-benefited-from-casting-wide-draft-net?ymd=20140529&content_id=77342514&vkey=news_cws
What no mention of the Sox 43rd round pick of the 1993 draft?
Carey Schueler, daughter of then GM Ron Schueler, chosen by the White Sox with the 1208th overall pick. That was 61 spots ahead of Bobby Howry, 95 spots ahead of Dave Roberts and 149 spots ahead of Plácido Polanco.
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•The White Sox selection of Kolek is “the lock” of the top five picks, says Law
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/draft-links-astros-gordon-howard-top-5.html
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"reminds you of a young Kenny Williams"
.........are the 7 words I don't want to hear as a description of a White Sox draftee next week.
Check that, those 7 words I NEVER want to hear about a White Sox draftee for at least a decade.
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Agree 100%, we have too many like him now. Walker, Thompson, Hawkins, Anderson. They all K way too much although they are athletes. I want baseball players, not guys who would be good at football or basketball.
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We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.
You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell
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We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.
You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell
How could I forget him, Mitchell is the worst of all the bad picks we have make lately.
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We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.
You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell
How could I forget him, Mitchell is the worst of all the bad picks we have make lately.
That pick of Mitchell really hurt.
It was really important to "draft someone who reminds you of a young Kenny Williams" and pass on a kid who, so far, has turned out to be "the next Mickey Mantle".
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They may have missed (badly) on Mitchell, but they sure hit gold with Sale.
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You got that right.
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Closing Time: The last days of Belisario
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/closing-time--the-last-days-of-belisario-162340788.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/closing-time--the-last-days-of-belisario-162340788.html)
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From that article:
Last year's Chicago closer is no bargain, either. When it comes to the carnival experience, Addison Reed is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Sure, he's converted 17-of-20 save chances, if you want to frame it that way. But he's also carrying a 4.18 ERA, he's allowed eight homers in 32.1 innings, and he's been scored upon in 15 of 33 appearances. Nothing is ever easy with this guy.
Reed's third blown save came Tuesday against Cleveland, though the Snakes eventually won the crazy game in extra innings. Reed generally is around the plate, but two walks hurt him in this meltdown. Arizona doesn't have immediate incentive to push Reed out of the ninth, but keep in mind the closer did have a tired arm not long ago. Brad Ziegler, stay fresh.
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From that article:
Last year's Chicago closer is no bargain, either. When it comes to the carnival experience, Addison Reed is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Sure, he's converted 17-of-20 save chances, if you want to frame it that way. But he's also carrying a 4.18 ERA, he's allowed eight homers in 32.1 innings, and he's been scored upon in 15 of 33 appearances. Nothing is ever easy with this guy.
Reed's third blown save came Tuesday against Cleveland, though the Snakes eventually won the crazy game in extra innings. Reed generally is around the plate, but two walks hurt him in this meltdown. Arizona doesn't have immediate incentive to push Reed out of the ninth, but keep in mind the closer did have a tired arm not long ago. Brad Ziegler, stay fresh.
Addison Reed is no Mariano Rivera but I think we all would agree that the White Sox would be better off having Reed as their closer than have Matt Davidson suck at Charlotte.
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In case Loveland missed it .....
....also from that article:
• We'll close up shop in reverse fashion, double back to a starting pitcher who's a little under the radar. Jose Quintana was superb over seven crisp innings (6 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 8 K), scoring his first win in a month. The 3.69 ERA and 1.32 WHIP might not look like much to you, though some of the advanced metrics are in his corner (3.08 FIP). He's also nudged his ground-ball and strikeout rates up slightly.
It's a shame the schedule won't play nicer: he's at Toronto this weekend (nope), then up against Felix Hernandez (on paper anyway) the next turn. Just remember we had this talk: I still think Quintana's pitching better than his surface stats, and I expect he'll help us at some point later this summer.
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Andy, I'd rather have the hope of Davidson turning it around than to have a closer that maybe blows just a few less games than our current closers). Didn't that article say they Reed has given up runs in half of his games? Reed will also become too expensive once we get good again.
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Hindsight is 20-20. I didn't like parting with a young closer, but we were getting a highly thought of 3B prospect in return. Given the inconsistency of bullpen arms in general, you do that move every time and take the risk. I really thought Jones or Lindstrom would step into the closer role and do fine.
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Downs DFA'ed:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/white-sox-designate-scott-downs.html
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I never said Q doesn't pitch well or have a good ERA. I said the team loses more games than it wins when he pitches, and he often pitches just poor enough to lose. No clue why, just one of those things. You can post all the little articles you want my opinion won't change a line was crossed in the last couple months. Others have crossed the line, sometimes I end up wrong but I am usually right. Remember when we all were told on this forum that Josh Fields would become the next big thing just give it time?
Let it also be noted that I have been harping on the Reed/Davidson trade failure for some time now.
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Best pitcher for a Chicago team in '14: Jose Quintana, according to WAR on @fangraphs. Ahead of Samardzija, Hammel, Sale (had DL time).
Jose Quintana could become Doug Fister circa 2011: Very little trade hype, then he gets traded and helps a team win its division.
Can't see the team trading Quintana. If Rodon is as good as advertising we could have a really nice 1-2-3 next year.
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Yeah, we do need to hang onto him. He is consistently decent, even if the team manages to win less than half his starts. I also think he will keep improving.
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The team loses more games than it wins in general. Last year we were horrible and Quintana was 9-7. Would that everyone else in the rotation had won as often.
Holding Quintana to a higher standard just because he receives less run support is a bogus way of judging talent.
If Sale got Quintana's run support he'd be under .500 too.
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The Cubs don't win when Samardzija pitches either even though he's pitched pretty well. And Theo is supposedly asking for a huge haul for him.
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Why bother keeping a W-L record for pitchers at all then if the only thing that matters is ERA? Tell Mr. Ryan that his 300+ wins are nice and all but not that important and a bit over-rated. (The actual number over 300 hardly matters so I am not going to look it up.)
What about the quality in a player who holds the opposition to 1 run when his team scores 2, and manages to do it over and over again. Isn't that what W-L tracks besides just run support?
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Apples and oranges. Ryan played when no one knew what a pitch count was. I bet Quintana would have more wins if he had been left in instead of being pulled for Ronald Belisario and crew. You do not get to dismiss the fact that you have already said that it doesn't matter to you that the bullpen has blown a bunch of his games, it's his fault he leaves tied or with the lead and the bullpen blows it.
http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/today039s-game-2011-(1)-22/?message=23876
http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/today039s-game-2011-(1)-22/?message=23877
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I did not click on those links, nor will I. I hope you enjoyed the stroll down memory lane though.
I will, however, paraphrase what I have said in the past. For some unknown and unquantified reason this team very often loses games when Q starts. Personally I am tired of it, let him pitch just good enough to lose elsewhere.
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Love, your arguments are baseless and you refuse to see them.
Q was 9-7 last year on a team that won 63 games. This year he is 5-7 on a team close to that same winning percentage. Then you blame him for what happens after he leaves the game if the bullpen blows it.
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Exactly.
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Right, now you get it I didn't lay out a statistical defense of my whipping boy. I simply said that the team loses games when he pitches and I am tired is it. I don't have to offer a statistical defense for why I don't like him anymore.
My favorite player ever is Chet Lemon. Hardly the greatest of all time but my favorite. I don't have to offer a statistical defense for that either.
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While I don't agree with Loveland's assessment of Quintana, I enjoy her lambasting of "the other Q". "You go girl", as they say.
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The White Sox have released righty Mitchell Boggs from Triple-A, reports Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com (via Twitter). The move will clear space for the addition of fellow reliever Henry Rodriguez, who signed a minor league deal recently, as Scott Merkin of MLB.com reported on Twitter. Boggs struggled to a 9.50 ERA in 36 innings with the Sox’ top affiliate this year, while Rodriguez was utterly unable to throw strikes consistently during his tenure with the Marlins.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/phillies-outright-sean-osullivan.html
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while Rodriguez was utterly unable to throw strikes consistently during his tenure with the Marlins.
Unable to throw strikes? He'll fit right in with this White Sox bullpen.
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The White Sox have claimed righty Angel Sanchez off waivers from the Rays, tweets Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune. He will join the club’s Class-A affiliate.
The Rays claimed Sanchez off waivers from the Marlins last month, only to designate him to make room for the addition of Cory Burns. Sanchez, 24, was part of last year’s Ricky Nolasco deal. Over 61 1/3 Double-A frames on the year, Sanchez owns a 7.04 ERA with 5.3 K/9 versus 2.9 BB/9.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/white-sox-claim-angel-sanchez-from-rays.html
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The White Sox have made several big-dollar signings: shortstop Ricardo Mota has signed for $750K, second baseman Felix Mercedes will receive a $950K bonus, and catcher Jhoandro Alfaro (brother of Rangers’ prospect Jorge) will get $750K, according to Dionisio Soldevila of ESPNDeportes.com (links to Twitter). Earlier, we learned that shortstop Amado Nunez has agreed to a $900K bonus with Chicago, per MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez tweets. The club has announced all four signings, per Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune (via Twitter). Nunez is perhaps the highest-rated of the foursome, with MLB.com and BA both rating him the 26th-best available prospect. Though he lacks any eye-popping tools and may ultimately need to move off of shortstop, BA says that his broad-based talents tend to show up in game action.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/international-signings-perez-sierra-ynoa-nunez.html
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-jose-abreu-earns-al-rookie-of-the-month-award-for-june?ymd=20140702&content_id=82766580&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-jose-abreu-earns-al-rookie-of-the-month-award-for-june?ymd=20140702&content_id=82766580&vkey=news_cws)
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Reports are saying than Rodon got a deal north of $6.45 million.
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TODAY: Rodon will receive a $6.582MM bonus, reports John Manuel of Baseball America. That figure represents the largest bonus in the draft, as even the previously agreed upon $6.5MM bonus between the Astros and Aiken would fall shy (of course, the two sides in those negotiations have hit a snag due to a rumored injury, and Houston is now seeking a discounted bonus).
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/white-sox-agree-to-terms-with-carlos-rodon.html
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What's the consensus on Conner G's future? He's impressing me more and more
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3Bman for the next 10 years.
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I think he gets traded along with becks before the deadline...
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Atlanta has a young reliever Shae Simmons.. would love the sox to get him somehow..
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3Bman for the next 10 years.
Now, now msf, you're almost sounding like the average cubs fan who after a few games, weeks or months of a prospects' success seem to start dreaming of a future HOF enshrinement for their guy.
As far as my view on Conor Gillaspie, I like what I've been seeing but it's way too early to make a prediction of long term success. Lets see if it continues for the rest of the season and into at least the 2015 All-Star break before I'd ever starting hoping there is a good chance he's the answer at 3rd for 5 years let alone 10 seasons.
There are way too many guys all throughout baseball who have had a 1/2 year or 1 season of success in their rookie or 2nd season before they turned to mediocrity. The names "Super" Joe Charboneau, Jerome Walton, Mike Caruso and our current failing 2nd baseman Gordon Beckham are just a few examples are guys turning into mediocre or even crap players after one good season. Way, way too early to start predicting Conor Gillaspie as a long term starting third baseman for the White Sox.
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Andy,
I disagree with your analysis because all the guys you mentioned were great at first, and then flamed out. Conner G flamed out from the get go and that's why we got him cheap, and he is only now showing signs of making it. Its more like Bautista, Arriaeta, and Encarciaon. (excuse the sp) guys that sucked first and then found it. But I agree we need to wait until all-star break next year.
His D needs big time improvement.
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Andy,
I disagree with your analysis because all the guys you mentioned were great at first, and then flamed out. Conner G flamed out from the get go and that's why we got him cheap, and he is only now showing signs of making it. Its more like Bautista, Arriaeta, and Encarciaon. (excuse the sp) guys that sucked first and then found it. But I agree we need to wait until all-star break next year.
His D needs big time improvement.
I'll give you Toronto's Bautista and Encarnarcion but Jake Arrieta doesn't yet belong in the discussion as 'one who made it after initially struggling' as Jake, like Conor Gillaspie, has been very good only over a two and a half month span.
Don't forget Phil Humber had a heck of a good first half when he joined the White Sox in 2011 after failing with the Mets, Twins & Royals. Everyone thought he 'turned the corner' but other than the perfect game a year later, how'd he turn out? Esteban Loaiza is another guy 'who found it' back with the White Sox in 2003 with 21 wins and a 2.90 ERA and 'it' only lasted for that 2003 season.
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Gillaspie is a true baseball player, we do not have many of those. He is a very good hitter and will only get better as he gets a bit more power. Might fit better at 1B than 3B as a fielder but we have Abreu. I think Gillaspie can maintain this hitting for a long time. He is no flash in the pan.
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I agree with MSG. Connor has quick wrists and you can't teach that. He is only going to get better.
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I just like that we got a baseball player and not an athlete trying to be a baseball player. Tired of those kind.
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Hahaha. MSG, stupid phone. .. can't believe you aren't the standard directory MSF.
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I was gonna say something, but figured it was an honest mistake. heh
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I was waiting and hoping that JhonJeter +/or Juan pizzarro showed up to make fun of aka Loveland's mistake before she noticed it.
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Rienzo sent down: The Sox optioned right-hander Andre Rienzo to Triple-A Charlotte after Saturday's game and will call up a position player for the series finale Sunday against the Indians.
Rienzo was 4-5 with a 5.87 ERA in 14 games, moving back and forth between the bullpen and rotation. In two relief appearances spanning three innings since June 26, he allowed two earned runs on five hits and three walks.
Infielder Carlos Sanchez wasn't in the lineup in Charlotte on Saturday night and could be an option to fill the opening, which Ventura said would go to a position player because of injuries to Ramirez and center fielder Adam Eaton.
see more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-alexei-ramirez-bits-white-sox-spt-0713-20140713,0,2451713.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-alexei-ramirez-bits-white-sox-spt-0713-20140713,0,2451713.story)
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At 5.87, Rienzo is the ace of the bullpen....
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I think he gets traded along with becks before the deadline...
I want Beckham traded too but unless a team is looking for mainly defense at that position, what would we even get for him? He's only hitting .230-something. And I don't know if he's considered the defensive wiz around baseball that Hawk says he is.
It stinks that we don't have a whole lot of guys doing well enough to get something decent. Dunn still sort of stinks and won't net anything other than salary relief, DeAza is nothing special, Viciedo is still too much of an unknown. Alexei is the only one that we can get some decent value, and even he isn't bringing back a top 5 prospect.
The only guys we could trade for a seriously good package are guys we need to keep.
Depressing.
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We can do it without trading a lot. Keep investing in International talent, hopefully ones that contribute right away like Abreu. Sign some FA relievers, a starter, and a catcher. Always lots of outfielders out there to pick up cheap. Granted, it is tougher without good prospects that are tradeable, but we are not that far away. I bet our pen has blown close to 20 games this year (not just counting blown saves). A better pen saves half of those at minimum. We are not as far away as it looks. We have a 1B, SS, 3B, CF, RF. We have 3-4 starting pitchers.
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We are two good relievers away from being in the hunt. How many blown leads in the 8th/9th inning so far? 15?
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Gillaspie has four more years of team control remaining and is hitting well in 2014, while offseason acquisition Matt Davidson is floundering in Triple-A. That may make it tough for GM Rick Hahn to deal him, but Gillaspie’s name hasn’t been included among Chicago’s four supposedly unavailable players. The Sox may look at Gillaspie and see unsustainable production (.370 BABIP) coupled with platoon issues and think this is a good time to sell high.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/trade-market-for-third-basemen-3.html
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Ugh
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Booooooo !!!!!
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What are the boo's and ugh's for?
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The ugh from me was for the ISF post that said the Sox think Gillaspie is playing over his head and may end up trading him. Would be a horrible move.
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The next Sergio Santos....
The White Sox have claimed right-hander Raul Fernandez off waivers from the Rockies and assigned him to Class-A Advanced Winston-Salem, the team announced on Twitter. The 24-year-old Fernandez was designated for assignment last week to clear a roster spot for fellow righty Brooks Brown.
Fernandez ranked as Colorado’s No. 22 prospect heading into the season, according to Baseball America. As BA’s scouting report explains, Fernandez is a converted catcher that is new to pitching but boasts a power arm, including a fastball that touches 99 mph. However, he has little feel for pitching and needs to work on his changeup and slider as well as his command.
Clearly, his first run at Class-A Advanced didn’t go so well, as the Dominican righty posted a 7.00 ERA with a 20-to-15 K/BB ratio in 27 innings. He posted an equally troubling 6.29 ERA in 34 1/3 innings at Class A last season, though he had a much better 55-to-11 K/BB ratio in 2013.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/white-sox-claim-raul-fernandez-from-rockies.html
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The ugh from me was for the ISF post that said the Sox think Gillaspie is playing over his head and may end up trading him. Would be a horrible move.
If I had the energy, I'd calculate what his numbers would be if not for the inflated BABIP (BA on balls in play... so not counting home runs, strikeouts, etc).
One thing to note with his BABIP of .370 is that it's not too far off from his line drive percentage (25%). A soft rule of thumb is to add 12 points to your line drive rate to get your BABIP. An average BABIP is around .300, btw.
His line drive percentage of 25% is high... 18~20% is "normal." Basically, he's been making very good contact with the ball, in one way or another.
"Luck" is often used to describe a high BABIP like his... and it usually means that he's getting more balls to fall in for him (fly balls dropping in front of outfielders, ground balls that somehow find a hole, etc). However, in his case, the numbers suggest he's hitting the ball very well.
Basically this probably means pitchers will change their approach against him, and it'll be interesting to see what happens, but I would disagree with the notion that he's been getting "lucky."
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Thanks, the guy just has a nice swing and appears to be legit .300 or so hitter who will gain some power. Hard for me not to see a Robin Ventura type of hitter here.
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If Davidson weren't worthless in AAA, I'd say we trade Gillaspie while his value is highest.
I think his value will go down from where it is now, but he'll be a serviceable .280 / 20 HR guy.
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I don't know that you'll ever see 20 HRs out of him, but he'll hit at least .280.
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Eventually he will hit 20, too nice of a swing and in our park as a LH hitter. He will hit 20 within 3 years I am guessing. Nice line drive hitter and when he becomes more comfortable he will be able to loft some of those.
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Tyler Flowers on Framing and Umpires
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tyler-flowers-on-framing-and-umpires/ (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/tyler-flowers-on-framing-and-umpires/)
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2014/7/17/5911513/gifing-it-moises-sierra-white-sox-dugout-all-star
Moises Sierra... extra grindy with good chemistry.
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Good stuff
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Taylor Thompson, a 44th-rounder in '09, joins club
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 7/20/2014 2:14 P.M. ET
CHICAGO -- Taylor Thompson, who was pick No. 1,333 in the 44th round from the 2009 First-Year Player Draft, officially joined the White Sox on Sunday when his contract was purchased from Triple-A Charlotte. The Sox moved Felipe Paulino to the 60-day disabled list to make room for the right-hander on the 40-man roster.
Chicago had been going one bullpen arm short for the first two games of the second half, with Carlos Sanchez serving as an extra utility infielder. The club had Scott Carroll in relief in an emergency, but with Carroll's start coming up Tuesday, the White Sox needed reinforcements.
read more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140720&content_id=85410922¬ebook_id=85420258&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140720&content_id=85410922¬ebook_id=85420258&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
official White Sox press release: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140720&content_id=85401300&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140720&content_id=85401300&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
official White Sox press release on Carlos Sanchez optioned to Triple-A: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140719&content_id=85352124&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140719&content_id=85352124&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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Guys like this, who show it can be done, get me to really hate all the KW kids drafting and OG kids we drafted. Jesus Christ, pick someone who has a freaking chance.
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Does anyone know why Conner G is not listed amongst league batting average leaders when he has the necessary 3.1 plate appearances per games played?
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He doesnt qualify he is 3.6 PA short.
Sox have played 106 games so 328.6 PA to qualify, he has 325.
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Thanks Method, the site I was looking up Conner's stats on showed him 5 more plate appearances.
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White Sox setup man Nate Jones underwent Tommy John surgery yesterday, tweets MLB.com’s Scott Merkin. Dan Hayes of CSN Chicago tweets that Jones, who was on the disabled list recovering from a back injury, tore his ulnar collateral ligament while ramping up his rehab from his previous injury.
The 28-year-old was thought to be the favorite to take over the closer’s role in Chicago following Addison Reed‘s trade to Arizona, but manager Robin Ventura instead went with Matt Lindstrom to open the season in that role. Jones made just two appearances this season and didn’t record an out, allowing four runs on a pair of hits and three walks.
The operation will likely sideline him through next summer, which is a tough break, considering that he is arbitration eligible for the first time this offseason. Jones had a 3.31 ERA with 9.3 K/9 and 3.5 BB/9 through his first two seasons with the South Siders, so a strong 2014 would have positioned him for a nice payday.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/nate-jones-undergoes-tommy-john-surgery.html
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Was just looking at the peripherals on our RPs, and was a little surprised by what I found.
Jones being out for a year hurts, and we obviously need to replace Belisario with someone resembling an MLB pitcher,
but by and large our BP looks like it could be good.
Petricka, Webb, Lindstrom (if he's back), Putnam and Guerra give us 5 very serviceable RHP.
Surkamp's 6.00 ERA looks like an aberration. He's only given up 6 hits in 9 IP, 3 of those in yesterday's 1 IP.
The problem is that he's prone to the BB and 2 of those 6 hits have left the yard.
Still, I would have no problem having him as one of our LH BP next year. Bullpen numbers tend to fluctuate wildly, and his peripherals suggest much better potential for the future.
We need a closer. I'm not ready to trust Webb, Putnam or Petricka outright, and if there is one area where Guerra has been lacking, it's that he can't close. Lindstrom has struggled in that role as well.
Still think grabbing a guy on the cheap like Jim Johnson would be the way to go, but if Atlanta felt compelled to trade Jordan Walden, I'd be interested.
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Interesting.
One observation I had was that Surkamp seemed to throw lots of strikes. I'm wondering if that was a specific design....
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Taylor Thompson optioned to Charlotte and Maikel Cleto returns:
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White Sox call up reliever Cleto
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-call-up-cleto-20140804-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-call-up-cleto-20140804-story.html)
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ugh
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If it was Belisario for Cleto, I'd be excited...
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MLB.com’s Scott Merkin writes that Avisail Garcia‘s aggressive approach to his rehab from a shoulder injury has impressed the White Sox. Garcia’s injury was thought to be season-ending back in April, but an August return now looks possible. Merkin notes that the move could create an interesting roster decision, though GM Rick Hahn has noted that he will pursue August trades, so a roster spot could be created that way.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/al-central-links-may-milone-pestano-garcia.html
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MLB.com’s Scott Merkin writes that Avisail Garcia‘s aggressive approach to his rehab from a shoulder injury has impressed the White Sox. Garcia’s injury was thought to be season-ending back in April, but an August return now looks possible. Merkin notes that the move could create an interesting roster decision, though GM Rick Hahn has noted that he will pursue August trades, so a roster spot could be created that way.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/al-central-links-may-milone-pestano-garcia.html
TRANSLATION: As soon as they can move Big Donkey, Avisail Garcia will take over as the DH for the rest of this season.
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He was 2-3 with a walk today. He is hitting .500
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White Sox Place Adam Eaton on 15-Day DL; Recall Jordan Danks from AAA Charlotte
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140809&content_id=88765314&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140809&content_id=88765314&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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Abreu's stopped hitting HR's, but the average is still up. Have pitchers found a way to adjust?
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http://deadspin.com/chris-sale-flexes-his-comprehensive-vocabulary-after-st-1620093526/all
Amusing.
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Abreu's stopped hitting HR's, but the average is still up. Have pitchers found a way to adjust?
I think he was getting a bit lucky on balls getting out of the park. I also think pitchers have adjusted a bit. I think the HRs will come back soon.
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http://deadspin.com/chris-sale-flexes-his-comprehensive-vocabulary-after-st-1620093526/all
Amusing.
This is great... i wish their video clip had all the vocab words and not just 3!
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• Juxtapose (April 11)
• Consternation (April 17)
• Ameliorate (May 22)
• Acquiesce (May 27)
• Capitulated (June 1)
• Nascence (June 7)
• Ruminate (June 12)
• Repudiate (June 18)
• Antithetic (June 23)
• Dichotomy (June 28)
• Cacophony (July 4)
• Adjudicate (July 9)
• Ubiquitous (July 21)
• Voracious (July 26)
• Prescience (Aug. 1)
• Amalgamation (Aug. 6)
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Sounds liek they are trying to turn him into a sesquipedalian!
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White Sox Press Release
8/16/2014 3:09 P.M. ET
White Sox Make Five Roster Moves
CHICAGO - Prior to tonight's game vs. Toronto, the Chicago White Sox made the following five roster moves:
Placed OF Moises Sierra on the 15-day disabled list with a strained left oblique;
Returned OF Avisail Garcia from his injury rehabilitation assignment at Class AAA Charlotte and reinstated him from the 60-day disabled list;
Designated LHP Charlie Leesman for assignment;
Placed RHP Javy Guerra on the Bereavement List;
Recalled LHP Eric Surkamp from Charlotte.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140816&content_id=89929622&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140816&content_id=89929622&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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Rodon could be a White Sox call-up in September
by Paul Sullivan - Chicago Tribune - August 17, 2014 7:52pm
First-round draft pick Carlos Rodon and Chris Sale have a few things in common, and it's no secret the White Sox have Rodon on the "Sale Plan" for success.
Rodon, the third selection in the 2014 draft, was rewarded with the largest bonus of any draftee ($6.58 million), and advanced from Class A Winston-Salem to Triple-A Charlotte on Saturday after only four appearances covering 9 2/3 innings.
But before the Sox held off the Blue Jays in a 7-5 win on Sunday, general manager Rick Hahn tried to temper comparisons between their hot prospect and their dominant ace.
"I understand if you're talking about polished college left-handers on the fast track and, frankly, with similar repertoires, the comparisons are natural," Hahn said. "But really, the only relevancy of Chris' path is the fact we have experience with guys making that transition (to the majors) fairly quickly.
"That doesn't mean Carlos is going to do it. It just means we've been through it … which can only help Carlos should we get to that point."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-report-white-sox-blue-jays-spt-0818-20140818-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-report-white-sox-blue-jays-spt-0818-20140818-story.html)
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Right-hander Matt Lindstrom is a free agent at season’s end, but he told Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com that his preference is to return to the White Sox, with whom he spent the past two seasons. Said Lindstrom: “I’d like to be a part of something special. We’ve definitely seen the offense pick up here and I think we’re seeing some guys in the starting rotation learning on the job. I’d like to be a part of it here in Chicago.”
The 34-year-old opened the season as Chicago’s closer, but he’s spent much of the 2014 campaign on the disabled list following surgery to repair a subluxed tendon in his left ankle. Lindstrom had a 3.32 ERA in 19 innings when he initially hit the disabled list, though he had posted a fairly worrisome 11-to-9 K/BB ratio in that time. Since returning from the disabled list, he’s struggled through a pair of three-run outings, causing his ERA to soar to 5.09.
However, Lindstrom had a quietly strong season for the Sox in 2013, turning in a 3.12 ERA with 6.8 K/9, 3.4 BB/9 and a very strong 55.6 percent ground-ball rate in 60 2/3 innings — the second-highest innings total of his eight-year career. Lindstrom is earning $4MM this season after the ChiSox exercised a club option on his deal following the 2013 season.
It sounds like there’s at least some interest on behalf of the Sox as well, or at least some interest from manager Robin Ventura. “You’re always hoping you have someone in each area of your team that guys can draw from who has experience,” Ventura explained to Hayes. “Matty has that.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/lindstrom-hopes-to-return-to-white-sox-in-2015.html
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White Sox Press Release
8/31/2014 11:55 A.M. ET
White Sox make four roster moves
Prior to today's game vs. Detroit, the Chicago White Sox purchased the contracts of left-handed pitcher Scott Snodgress and first baseman Andy Wilkins from Class AAA Charlotte, and also returned Moises Sierra from his injury rehabilitation assignment at Charlotte and reinstated the outfielder from the 15-day disabled list.
Snodgress, 24, takes the roster spot of right-hander Chris Bassitt, who was optioned to Charlotte following last night's game. Wilkins, 25, takes the roster spot of Adam Dunn, who was traded to Oakland prior to today's game, while Sierra replaces Alejandro De Aza, who was traded to Baltimore last night.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140831&content_id=92372444&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140831&content_id=92372444&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
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Call-ups:
Bassitt, Carroll, Danks, Phegley, Semien, Surkamp... and purchase contract of OF Michael Taylor.
So no room on 40-man for Rodon.
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no Mitchell either.
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I'm starting to dislike they way Rick Hahn is so elusive with his answers on almost everything. I'm hardly a fan of Ozzie's speak what's on your mind at all times, and I am feeling the same way over Hahn's gobbledygook say nothing answers on questions he's asked. He mentioned in such vague terms that Rodon was possible September call up before, and today he states in even more vague terms why his wasn't called up. He ought to run for Congress.
I don't buy today's BS answer. There was nothing to lose as far as Rodon's long term development in letting the fans see Rodon pitch in at least one game, but there was much to gain with fans getting even more excited this winter having had a glimpse.
I chalk it up to our cheapo owner who was ****ed over the Boras negotiations.
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There WAS something to lose in bringing up Rodon. A spot on the 40-man roster this off-season. Might not mean something now but this off-season there might be a Rule-5 draftee or a six-year minor league free agent that they like (like Quintana three years ago) and they can use that roster spot for that player or even a roster spot for a possible big $$ free agent signee like VMart. There is NEVER a good reason to bring up a player in September who isn't already on the 40-man roster or will be required to be put on the 40-man roster in the off-season to avoid losing him to free agency or the Rule-5 Draft.
I'm thrilled they didn't bring Rodon up since they're not in contention for the playoffs. Boras/Rodon played hard ball with them after he was drafted by waiting until a few days before the deadline to sign and then taking ALL the money they had left plus the maximum allowable overpayment penalty up to the potential loss of a 1st round pick. Boras/Rodon had the leverage and wouldn't throw them a bone so now the shoe's on the other foot and I hope they don't promote him to the majors until next June, a few days after the Super-Two status cut-off. Plus what happens if you promote Rodon now and he sucks next spring and you're forced to send him back to the minors at the end of Spring Training? Then you wasted a 40-man roster spot for 8 months and started the clock ticking on his option years for nothing.
In September, especially when you're not in the pennant chase, never promote a guy to the 40-man roster unless you're required to in order to prevent losing him in the Rule-5 draft or minor league free-agency or you're 99% sure that he's major league ready.
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I'm starting to dislike they way Rick Hahn is so elusive with his answers on almost everything. I'm hardly a fan of Ozzie's speak what's on your mind at all times, and I am feeling the same way over Hahn's gobbledygook say nothing answers on questions he's asked. He mentioned in such vague terms that Rodon was possible September call up before, and today he states in even more vague terms why his wasn't called up. He ought to run for Congress.
I don't buy today's BS answer. There was nothing to lose as far as Rodon's long term development in letting the fans see Rodon pitch in at least one game, but there was much to gain with fans getting even more excited this winter having had a glimpse.
I chalk it up to our cheapo owner who was ****ed over the Boras negotiations.
As far as Hahn, I like having my GM be vague. KW was taken to the woodshed too many times by other GMs cause he would talk about trades etc... (at least in my opinion) and he always had to add to the trade. Better to have a GM keep his mouth shut.
Rodon, meh, not like he was lighting it up in AAA. He has thrown a lot of innings, let him vie for starter spot in the spring.
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Remember when Ray Ray went from a great trade chip to a club house cancer in one interview? no more of that please.
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Remember when Ray Ray went from a great trade chip to a club house cancer in one interview? no more of that please.
Yep, he screwed himself over several times opening that big trap of his.
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Andy you make a good point about how we got Q, but losing a Rule 5 draftee has never hurt us, and if you are happy he wasn't called up cuz we got Borassed in the negotiations, then we are just kissing away any chance of signing Rodon long term if he succeeds.
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Juan --
From what I've seen from Boras through the years, Hahn promoting Rodon to the majors this year would be viewed by Boras to be a sign of Hahn's weakness.
A perceived weakness that Boras would try to exploit each and every chance he'd get until Rodon reached free agency.
Boras would not view it as a sign of White Sox 'kindness' that he'd feel obligated to return in the future.
Let's just hope that Rodon dumps Boras as his agent (like many players have) before Rodon reaches free agency.
#ScottBorassIsEvil
...and as msf posted, Carlos Rodon wasn't tearing up the minors that he deserved a call up. While, for kicks, I wouldn't mind seeing him make a few starts/appearances in a White Sox uni this month, he didn't do enough to earn the promotion. Plus until they can unload John Danks, there is no room for him in the rotation as 4 lefty starters in a 5-man rotation would be insane.
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He will get his shot soon enough
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anyone ever hear from Oats?
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Nope
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anyone ever hear from Oats?
According to the C-A-F records, Minoats was last active on this site on February 25, 2013, 09:43:03 am.
Shoeless, since you're a moderator, you can view the e-mail address that Minoats used to register here. Just click on 'members' and then scroll down to 'Minoats' and click on his name. You can view his e-mail address there and if you want copy & send him an e-mail.
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I believe Minoats is now legally married to Jon Adkins (he of the Ray Durham trade and one of Minoats favorite players) and living happily ever after.
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I believe Minoats is now legally married to Jon Adkins (he of the Ray Durham trade and one of Minoats favorite players) and living happily ever after.
Was that before or after he moved in with Rick White?
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You could be correct. I may have actually been thinking more of Rick White, he really loved that bastard.
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I thought he killed Rick White and ran away with Jon Adkins.
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He had so many I could not keep up
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He also had Method.
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Ha, that is correct.
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It's statistically odd to see someone hit 30 HR's by end of July and only hit only three in a month and a half after words, while the batting average climbs from .280 to .320
Anyone have a theory? Mine is that Abreu is dead tired, can still hit but not with power and is now just trying to hit the ball not power it.
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I'd guess that pitchers are not giving him much to hit (for power). Nice to see all the adjustments he's made along the way.
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He's also hitting more doubles now (15 in July / August vs. 16 in April / May / June).
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It's statistically odd to see someone hit 30 HR's by end of July and only hit only three in a month and a half after words, while the batting average climbs from .280 to .320
Anyone have a theory? Mine is that Abreu is dead tired, can still hit but not with power and is now just trying to hit the ball not power it.
Like Blackie said, they are pitching around him.
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It's statistically odd to see someone hit 30 HR's by end of July and only hit only three in a month and a half after words, while the batting average climbs from .280 to .320
Anyone have a theory? Mine is that Abreu is dead tired, can still hit but not with power and is now just trying to hit the ball not power it.
It just goes to prove, Jose Abreu is not as good as Anthony Rizzo. [/cubfans]
Besides fatigue and the lack of 'protection' behind him in the order, Abreu just might be playing hurt.
While his HRs & RBIs are way down from the 1st half, it's really hard to be disappointed in a guy that entered play today with
a 2nd half line of .365/.441/.959
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First year adjustments... neither rizzo or Grande Dolor have had a lot of lineup protection.
It is going to be fun to watch the different rebuild strategies take shape next two years.
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The White Sox have just $46MM in commitments to the 2015 payroll before arbitration
and General Manager Rick Hahn isn’t exactly sure how he’ll allocate that money just yet, writes Scott Merkin of MLB.com.
“We’ll have to decide based on the options available to us whether it makes sense to invest heavily in one or two targets
or try to spread it around between a half dozen or so,” Hahn said. “I don’t think anything is going to be precluded from us in terms of opportunities.
It’s going to be a matter of allocating the resources most effectively when the time comes.“
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/quick-hits-dunn-white-sox-kemp.html
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A fitting tribute to Paul Konerko from the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/sports/baseball/for-paul-konerko-a-steady-white-sox-presence-16-years-of-earning-his-keep-is-an-ample-farewell.html?ref=sports&_r=0
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That was a nice read.
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The White Sox have just $46MM in commitments to the 2015 payroll before arbitration and General Manager Rick Hahn isn’t exactly sure how he’ll allocate that money just yet
Let me help. Get as many good players as you can get; preferably an OF who can both hit and play defense, and lots and lots of pitching.
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LF, DH, another catcher, two SPs and lots of relievers
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I wish Lester were a righty
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I wish Lester were a righty
It doesn't really matter since he's going to the Cubs anyway....at least that's what those in the media keep saying.
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I wish Lester were a righty
It doesn't really matter since he's going to the Cubs anyway....at least that's what those in the media keep saying.
Samardija is not against returning to Chicago, he never stated which team. Do we want him or too costly?
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I wish Lester were a righty
It doesn't really matter since he's going to the Cubs anyway....at least that's what those in the media keep saying.
Samardija is not against returning to Chicago, he never stated which team. Do we want him or too costly?
Since he's not a free agent until after NEXT season, it's too early to make that decision on whether we want Samardzija.
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Whoops, my bad.
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Goosebumps.
http://m.mlb.com/video/v36552901/a-personal-thank-you-from-paul-konerko
Class act! Thanks for the memories, Paulie.
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Dan Hayes @CSNHayes
Favorite U.S. Cellular memories: Paul Konerko lists Game 2 2005 WS, blackout game in 2008, the fight vs. Detroit in 2000, Buerhle's games.
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While the White Sox figure to add to their bullpen this offseason, Jake Petricka has carved out a role as future member of the group, writes Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune.
The 26-year-old Petricka has seen time in the closer’s role this season, converting 14 of 18 save opportunities and pitching to a 2.88 ERA in 72 innings.
While he doesn’t have an elite strikeout rate (6.9 K/9), his 63.9 percent ground-ball rate ranks fifth among qualified relievers.
Fellow right-hander Zach Putnam — he of a 1.98 ERA in 54 2/3 innings — also figures to be a bullpen cog for the South Siders going forward, Kane notes.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/09/al-central-notes-hughes-tomas-petricka-finnegan.html
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I would expect Petricka to be the leading contender for closer next season, with Jones and Putnam in contention.
I would have no problem bringing Lindstrom back.
Which leaves the question of who the lefties are.
Bringing Rodon up and putting him in the bullpen this year would have made some sense, as you could get his feet wet and set up preferable matchups.
But doing it for a whole year....I don't see it.
If we can't get a team to take Danks off our hands (And I don't think we will), his salary is a sunk cost. He hasn't been an overly effective SP since 2010.
The good news is LH batters have an OPS against him that is 100 points less than RH batters, which means he's finding some success where he ought to.
I'd make him an expensive LH long reliever who can be brought in to face LH batters in some situational pitching as well.
Our rotation should be:
Sale
RHP
Quintana
RHP
Rodon
Noesi hasn't impressed me enough to give him one of those 2 spots.
I do not think Bassitt or Beck is a long-term answer, although if they want to hand Bassitt #4 and give him a shot...
So I think we need to be focused on finding a #2 SP and an OF in FA and see what we can't get for Viciedo in trade.
One would think we could at least get a serviceable RP given his age.
The DH spot is another improvement opportunity, we should be able to fill that hole at reasonable cost as well.
I think Flowers will get another year. I think 2B is wide open for someone to claim.
Should be interesting to see what Hahn does.
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I would expect Petricka to be the leading contender for closer next season, with Jones and Putnam in contention.
I think Nate Jones is out for most, if not all, of next season as well.
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I agree that the Sox need another OF, preferably one who can hit and plays decent defense. Unfortunately, I don't think there are any available via free agency.
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I agree that the Sox need another OF, preferably one who can hit and plays decent defense. Unfortunately, I don't think there are any available via free agency.
Wait for the list of non-tenders, that list will change the pool of outfielders.
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Responding to ISFs long post.
I think Noesi earned the chance to be 4th or 5th starter. Lot of quality starts. Needs to keep the ball in the park more however.
In regards to Nate Jones. I would not expect anything out of him next year. We know that 90% of the pitchers are not really back until year two after TJ surgery. Rarely does one contribute in year one.
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White Sox GM Rick Hahn spoke with Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times earlier this week and offered several glimpses into the South Siders’ upcoming offseason.
“Long-term targets are priority,” the GM said when asked whether the Sox would be players on the free agent market before softening his stance a bit.
“We may be in position where shorter-term deals for veteran players might make sense.”
The bullpen will be a target for the Sox this winter, and while Hahn isn’t opposed to signing or trading for an established ninth-inning arm, he said he’s never much bought into the “proven closer” concept:
“The overall goal for the bullpen is to have multiple options from potentially the right and left side, many of which could be end-game options.
I’ve never been of the mindset that somebody has to be the closer. It’s not an ideal way to deploy what should be your best reliever.”
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/al-central-notes-anderson-tomas-sox-cabrera.html
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Off-season Outlook: Chicago White Sox
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/offseason-outlook-chicago-white-sox-5.html
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Conor Gillaspie had 104 ABs against LHP this year and OPS'ed .565.
With Rick Hahn stating we could look at short-term deals for veteran players, I'd take a strong look at newly available Kevin Kouzmanoff as a platoon partner for Conor.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=kouzmke01&year=Career&t=b
Conor's OPS against RHP was .805 this year, and Kouzmanoff's career OPS against LHP isn't much short of that.
Kouzmanoff is a league average fielder, which I can live with, although I'd want to be sure his back isn't going to continue to be an issue.
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8 teams were in the divisional play off round.
So far the teams with the higher payroll has lost in 3of the 4 series... If nationals beat the Giants no team with a payroll in the top 8 will make it to the ALCS or NLCS.
Whitesox only have 47 million committed for next year and no big players hitting year 3 of arbitation or FA. I hope we are players for James Shields on a 4 year deal.
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Long-term pitching contracts always spook me (see our very own John Danks), but stealing Shields from KC would be a nice move, methinks.
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Bruce levine says LH power will be an offseason priority for the Sox.
Hahn says we're still looking for long-term pieces.
Atlanta is looking to hand their catching job to Christian Bethancourt.
Let the Evan Gattis rumors commence...
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He's like a modern day Greg Norton:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/big-league-stew/evan-gattis-chuck-norris-baseball-legend-keeps-growing-002503618.html
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http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-jose-quintana-top-10-pitcher
For Loveland.
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oh oh
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Given that he's likely to get no more than a 2 yr-deal, would you bring Rios back to play LF as a replacement for Viciedo?
I suspect Rios will be slightly more expensive per year, but not that much.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/rangers-inform-alex-rios-that-club-will-decline-option.html
As a RF, he's below average defensively, but in LF...he'd definitely be an upgrade.
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My feeling is they wouldn't bring him back, as he's 34 and there were some rumblings he doesn't put the time in, which could mean a very quick, steep decline.
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no... no... please no.
I dont watch as much of the beloved as i'd like but even in the 10% of games i watched he had atleast one lazy play in the outfield per game.
Lets try and build with the youth and not go for a steeply declining Rios for any length of time.
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http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-jose-quintana-top-10-pitcher
For Loveland.
My favorite part about that when you click on the link is the question mark in the title. I know the answer.
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Just out of curiosity, Loveland, how do you explain his above .500 record in 2013, if you claim he's as unwinnable as you say he is?
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My feeling is they wouldn't bring him back, as he's 34 and there were some rumblings he doesn't put the time in, which could mean a very quick, steep decline.
Watching Cain and Gordon in CF and LF for KC is why we need someone better then rios... those guys never take a play off and it shows!
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Agreed, also why we dump Viciedo, unless we go with him as DH, but I would rather try others in that slot.
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Will this guy be the 2015 starting second baseman for the White Sox?
http://tinyurl.com/2015secondbaseman (http://tinyurl.com/2015secondbaseman)
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Will this guy be the 2015 starting second baseman for the White Sox?
http://tinyurl.com/2015secondbaseman (http://tinyurl.com/2015secondbaseman)
Doubt we go after 2Bmen this offseason, one of our 3 kids will win that role in ST.
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If the CWS don't sign Victor Martinez to be their DH, any interest in signing Ichiro (for a max of $5M) and moving Viciedo to the everyday DH?
Ichiro is 156 hits away from 3000 for his MLB career so I assume he'd be willing to take $5M if he's given the chance to be a full-time player rather than return to Japan for more money. Ichiro is coming off a 2-year/$13M deal.
2014 Ichiro: .284/.324/.340
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Would be an improvement. But do you think they will go for an old guy at this time. I think not.
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Would be an improvement. But do you think they will go for an old guy at this time. I think not.
Maybe. Especially on a one year deal. It's not like he'd be holding back a major league ready outfielder in their minor league system. What's the internal alternative if VMart doesn't join the White Sox? Jordan Danks, Michael Taylor or Andy Wilkins in the starting lineup everyday? No thanks. Unless they see something in Moises Sierra and plan to give him the shot to play every day, Ichiro just might be the best alternative unless a solid outfielder is non-tendered by another team.
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I agree with you there. He is better for one year than anyone we have, he would not be holding anyone back, seems like a win situation. I would like to see how many more are non-tendered yet. Still think we can get better. But I like your idea.
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Sporting News MLB awards 2014: White Sox 1B Jose Abreu voted top AL rookie
by Ryan Fagan - last updated October 20, 2014 1:10pm EDT
Sporting News has selected a Rookie of the Year since 1946, a year before MLB began its official award. This year's winners, as voted on by fellow players in their leagues, are Jose Abreu of the White Sox (American League) and Jacob deGrom of the Mets (National League).
Jose Abreu’s power was a known quantity heading into his first season in Major League Baseball, and that ability to crush a baseball is a primary reason the White Sox decided to give the slugger a six-year, $68 million contract after a stellar career in Cuba.
A few weeks into his time with the White Sox, a long-time scout told Sporting News that Abreu was a rarity, a player who rated as a legitimate 8 on the 2-to-8 scouting scale.
“There’s only a handful of those guys,” the scout said. “He’s got big-time raw power. Strength.”
What only a handful of people expected was how complete of a hitter Abreu would be in his first season in the majors. The 27-year-old first baseman had 36 homers and 107 RBIs for the White Sox—those numbers were, obviously, excellent but not surprising—and he also batted .317 with a .383 on-base percentage.
And those numbers are why Abreu was the easy choice by American League players as the Sporting News Rookie of the Year (see full voting results below). Had Yankees starter Masahiro Tanaka stayed healthy after his exceptional start, the vote might have been close. Instead, Abreu ran away with the award this season.
read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2014-10-20/mlb-awards-2014-american-league-rookie-of-the-year-jose-abreu-white-sox (http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2014-10-20/mlb-awards-2014-american-league-rookie-of-the-year-jose-abreu-white-sox)
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Many scouts thought his bat was too slow to do more than hit ,240 and 25 homers. Heh
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Jose Abreu beats out Miguel Cabrera for The Sporting News A.L. All-Star first baseman:
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2014-10-22/sporting-news-american-league-all-star-team-2014-trout-felix-abreu/ (http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2014-10-22/sporting-news-american-league-all-star-team-2014-trout-felix-abreu/)
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Tis nice to have one work out for a change.
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The Moises Sierra era is over. The White Sox 40-man roster now has three open spots.
Chicago White Sox Transactions
10/24/14 Chicago White Sox sent Michael Taylor outright to Charlotte Knights.
Kansas City Royals claimed RF Moises Sierra off waivers from Chicago White Sox.
http://mlb.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cws#month=10&year=2014&team_id=145 (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/transactions.jsp?c_id=cws#month=10&year=2014&team_id=145)
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/24/royals-claim-moises-sierra-off-waivers-from-white-sox/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/24/royals-claim-moises-sierra-off-waivers-from-white-sox/)
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The White Sox would love to move John Danks, but the $28.5MM owed to him over the next two years will be a deterrent to teams.
Meanwhile, pitching coach Don Cooper still believes Danks, who has lost some of his heat, could become the second coming of Buehrle and pitch effectively in the mid-to-high 80s.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/cafardo-on-shields-buehrle-zobrist-danks.html
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I am stating right now that I want the Hound to be our closer in 2015. Bassitt like relieving over starting, maybe he has the correct tude needed to be a closer. Bassitt and Montas each made the All Star team in the Arizona Fall League, Tim Anderson just missed making it.
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When he comes into close the ninth at home, they should play ACDC's "Givin the Dog a Bone".
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When he comes into close the ninth at home, they should play ACDC's "Givin the Dog a Bone".
Good thinking there Mr Black
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if they want to move Danks, eat some of his contract. How the eff hard is that?
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The Felipe Paulino era comes to an end...
The White Sox have informed righty Felipe Paulino that they will not pick up his $4MM option, MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes reports on Twitter. Chicago will instead pay him a $250K buyout.
Paulino, 31, had signed a one-year, $1.75MM deal before the 2013 season. At the time, Paulino was coming off of Tommy John surgery and looked to be an easy high-upside risk to take. That gamble did not pay off, however, as Paulino made just four MLB appearances and was roughed up at all levels this year.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/10/white-sox-to-decline-option-on-felipe-paulino.html
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Maybe they will resurrect "Who Let the Dog(s) OUT?"
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There as a special on ESPN tonight, in their series called 30 for 30. Tonight's episode was Brothers in Exile a 90 minute documentary on the Hernandez brothers escaping Cuba. It's amazing.'
If you had respect for El Duque for his performance vs. Boston in the 2005 playoffs, you'll triple plus that watching this documentary.
I know this isn't 2014 2015 White Sox topic, but no other thread choice seemed to fit. Pale Hose history has turned into this daily meaningless stuff about what happened on this date that no one reads much I'm guessing.
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I'll have to check it out.
Correction though - I read the "this date in baseball" posts every day.
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So do I. But then I am old enough that I can't remember having read the interesting tidbits in the past.
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I read them, but not daily.
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30 for 30 S02E24: "Brothers in Exile"
http://gorillavid.in/byulawjhfxmy (http://gorillavid.in/byulawjhfxmy)
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Abreu a unanimous choice for AL Rookie of the Year
Cuban slugger first White Sox winner since 1985
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | @scottmerkin | 18 minutes ago
CHICAGO -- Jose Abreu sat behind a table at the U.S. Cellular Field Conference and Learning Center Monday night, looking as calm, cool and focused as he did with pretty much every at-bat or moment in the field that he had for the White Sox during the 2014 campaign.
A few broad smiles and a few moments of laughter were the only true signs of Abreu's joy in being unanimously named the Jackie Robinson American League Rookie of the Year, as voted on by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Abreu completed the trifecta of 2014 AL rookie honors, having previously been anointed by Sporting News and Players Choice in voting by his peers.
When asked about the emotions attached to becoming the ninth unanimous winner in the history of the AL award, Abreu flashed one of those smiles and quickly pointed out that appearances can be deceiving.
read more: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101052904/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-a-unanimous-choice-for-al-rookie-of-the-year (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101052904/white-sox-slugger-jose-abreu-a-unanimous-choice-for-al-rookie-of-the-year)
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Scott Carroll DFA'd to make room for LaRoche.
I would have shitcanned Wilkins, because he appears to be useless.
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That is a surprise. Carroll filled in admirably at times. Not a boatload of talent, but he was a grinder. Like to see him stay with us in AAA.
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Thank you! http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/ronald-belisario-elects-free-agency.html
And, Tony Campana? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/white-sox-sign-tony-campana.html
http://mlb.mlb.com/cutfour/article.jsp?content_id=32125036
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Campana has great speed... not a bad signing for a minor league contract.
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Campana to a minor league deal? Might as well. Sounds like the next Scott Podsednik / Juan Pierre without the price / cost. Could be just as entertaining in many ways.
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Snodgrass non-tendered.
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-trim-40-man-roster-39-after-parting-snodgress
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Snodgrass non-tendered.
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-trim-40-man-roster-39-after-parting-snodgress
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The 8.53 ERA in the Arizona Fall League didn't help his cause:
http://southsideshowdown.com/2014/11/17/prospect-scott-snodgress-tough-afl-season/ (http://southsideshowdown.com/2014/11/17/prospect-scott-snodgress-tough-afl-season/)
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The White Sox now have a legitimate closer as David Robertson agrees to a 4-year/$46 Million deal with the White Sox:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103574398/white-sox-agree-to-four-year-deal-with-reliever-david-robertson (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/103574398/white-sox-agree-to-four-year-deal-with-reliever-david-robertson)
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Holy ****.
Does this make us contenders?
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According to Jon Heyman via twitter, "Instant contenders. #chisox"
I'd like one more power bat and I definitely think we're right there!
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I'll retroactively join the Fire KW crowd, now that I see what we'd been missing out on.
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From Adam Eaton's twitter page:
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Multiple sources are saying Sox still aren't done!
Guessing a trade is next....hopefully Vicideo for a good OF bat/defense.
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please, please, please ...
I was hoping for Semien to win 2B job, now I am going with Johnson. Sanchez is barely above the Mendoza level in a winter league. Leury Garcia is hitting real well. Maybe he will win it, never really think about him.
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Soxtalk says 3rd pitcher is beck... that kinda sucks. have read really good things about him.
Thats a pretty hefty price for 1 year of sam.
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Soxtalk says 3rd pitcher is beck... that kinda sucks. have read really good things about him.
Thats a pretty hefty price for 1 year of sam.
If it is Beck, that is ok. We kept Montas, Danish and I was really hoping it was not Adams, the 2nd rounder this year. Thought maybe we could not announce it until he is around for a year. Rather lose Beck. Adams may be our RH of the future, the righthanded Sale.
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Man,
Semien, Bassitt and Beck are like 5th rounder/16th rounder/2nd rounder. I would have never thought we could turn those 3 into Samardija.
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I agree on adams... and you are right trading those 3 for sam is a coup... esp since you basically get the 2nd back if he walks... and have the inside track at resigning him since he'll have been here for a year.
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...and he supposedly grew up a Sox fan.
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Hah!!
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Theo talks the talk. Hahn seems to back his up.
Cub fans had to be told they were going all in this year to compete for post season. Sox fans do not need to be told, we can tell by our managements actions.
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But the Cubs have Theo MSF!!!
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People also seem to forget that Epstein took over a team that had won 93 games the year before and had a good farm system.
Hahn inherited a trainwreck, save for Sale and Quintana.
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But the Cubs have Theo MSF!!!
heh
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People also seem to forget that Epstein took over a team that had won 93 games the year before and had a good farm system.
To be fair (yes, SoxRule can be fair when it comes to the cubs!!), with the cubs Epstein inherited a train wreck too. And the consensus among baseball experts is that the Cubs, because of Theo's trades/signs the past few years, are now about to become a powerhouse.
Let's see what happens with Lester before we rag too much. If they get him and rumors are they would then go after a big bat to accelerate the rebuild, they could become quite good quite fast. And don't forget they have Maddon too and everyone wants to play for him.
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got to love this whitesox.com tweeted image:
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Soxfest ticket sales must be improving...
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With Robertson, I think we win at least 5-7 of the blown games last year and not just because of him. Adding him moves the other relievers down to more reliable roles. With Duke maybe we add a 1-2 more. LaRoche/Abreu-more rest over Dunn/Konerko, maybe a few more. With MJohnson/Sanchez over Beckham a few more.
I think we are at least a mid 80's win team. What other position players can we reasonable expect to get?
another reliever and an outfielder, maybe a platoon with DV. I assume Brantley being a left handed hitting catcher with mlb experience will be the back up catcher.
In hindsight I'm glad we did not get Markakis. It's about pitching, pitching, pitching, and defense.
Rick Hahn is on such a good role, we better pay him well.
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Here is a link to mlb that shows how all Sox players are doing in the winter leagues. http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/org.jsp?id=cws
Avisail is hitting over .300 and showing power. Nieto and Leury G are both hitting well. Dan Black, who I like better than Wilkins, is hitting really well. One pitcher of interest, Junior Guerra, is doing well. He played professionally in Italy last year. One never knows ...
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AL Central tops MLB division ranks
If anyone subscribes to ESPN's Insider, take a look:
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/buster-olney/post/_/id/8904?ex_cid=InsiderTwitter_olney_alcentraltopsdivisionranks
Considering the offseason moves, you can make a strong case that the AL Central is now baseball's best, with all of its Cy Young Award-caliber pitchers (Corey Kluber, David Price, Chris Sale, etc.) to its elite hitters (Miguel Cabrera, Jose Abreu, Victor Martinez) to the great bullpens of the Royals and Indians.
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SSS: Sox announced all the big moves late at night as a strategic ploy to get drunk fans to buy tickets, and increase payroll.
I like it.
http://www.southsidesox.com/2014/12/17/7406879/white-sox-offseason-momentum-transfers-to-fans
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SR, good article. Unfortunate for us of course, and once again the AL is much the better league with more top talent flowing to the AL
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Sox sign George Kottaras:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/white-sox-to-sign-george-kottaras.html
That's 4 backup catchers and counting.
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Kottaras, Brantley, Nieto and who else?
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Kevan Smith I assume, he was our AA catcher last year.
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Flowers.
I guess Smith would make 5.
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Insider-only piece for ESPN.com, Tony Blengino describes Adam LaRoche signing with the White Sox as “a perfect marriage of club, player, ballpark and contract.” Using analyses of LaRoche’s swing and U.S. Cellular Field’s park factor, Blengino thinks the veteran first baseman could challenge for the AL homer crown if he stays healthy.
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Good read, quick read:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/1/6/7497049/ramifications-of-the-emilio-bonifacio-signing
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Hey Jimmie, he likes it!
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White Sox agree to deal with pitcher Javy Guerra
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/update/24964236/white-sox-agree-to-deal-with-pitcher-javy-guerra (http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/update/24964236/white-sox-agree-to-deal-with-pitcher-javy-guerra)
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White Sox announce Spring Training NRIs, included are some "old friends":
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/107147694/top-prospect-carlos-rodon-among-white-sox-non-roster-invitees
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Kottaras, Brantley, Nieto and who else?
According to the link in above post by BlackSox, 32-year old former Cub/Ranger catcher Geovany Soto.
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/01/white-sox-sign-gordon-beckham-designate-dayan-viciedo-for-assignment.html
The White Sox announced that they have signed infielder Gordon Beckham to a one-year, $2MM contract and designated outfielder Dayan Viciedo for assignment in order to clear a space on the 40-man roster. Earlier today, SB Nation’s Chris Cotillo tweeted that a reunion between the Sox and Beckham was a possibility.
Chicago is of course more familiar with Beckham than any other club, having formerly drafted him eighth overall and watched him on their big league roster from 2009 through this past August, when he was traded to the Angels. Beckham never lived up to a strong rookie season and batted a fairly pedestrian .241/.300/.361 from 2010-14. However, the Sox were known to be looking for a utility infielder that can handle left-handed pitching, and Beckham will presumably fill that role with the team.
The White Sox and Viciedo had already agreed to a one-year, $4.4MM contract to avoid arbitration, however that salary is not fully guaranteed.
This situation is the same in which Emilio Bonifacio found himself with the Royals last winter, when he was designated after agreeing to a salary.
(Coincidentally, Bonifacio had a solid season and signed a $4MM contract to join the White Sox this offseason.)
The White Sox are able to cut Viciedo for roughly one sixth of his agreed upon salary at this point,
meaning they’ll be on the hook for roughly $733K of that $4.4MM sum, should he ultimately be released.
Of course, a team could claim the entirety of Viciedo’s $4.4MM salary on waivers (which seems unlikely) or trade for him, with Chicago kicking in some cash as well.
Viciedo, 26 in March, has never provided much in the way of defensive value and saw his offense slip to a .231/.281/.405 triple-slash in 2014 —
his worst full season of production to date. I was a bit surprised to see that the team tendered him a contract, but the Sox likely did so with the intent
of flipping him to a club that was still enticed by his right-handed power. However, as Bob Nightengale of USA Today tweets,
the Sox tried unsuccessfully to trade Viciedo all offseason.
Now, with Melky Cabrera in the fold in left field, Avisail Garcia expected to man right field and Jose Abreu/Adam LaRoche sharing time at
first base and DH, there wasn’t a good fit on the roster for Viciedo.
Beckham will join Bonifacio as an option at second base, though he’s also capable of serving as a platoon partner for Conor Gillaspie at third base,
shielding Gillaspie from his weakness against southpaws. Should Beckham finally tap into the potential that made him the eighth pick in the 2008 draft,
he’d be able to fill in at second base on an everyday basis, with Bonifacio shifting into the role of a super utility player.
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I sure hope Johnson is given the shot to win the job. And Robin better not start Gillaspie ever against lefties
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I don't mind the Beckham signing - I don't get why they signed Viciedo only to release him. Unless Hahn already has a deal in place.
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Like the Beck move... need to give Johnson a few months in the minors i think... atleast 1-2.
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We know Beck will not hurt us on D. He just needs to hit, and if we can hit him vs LHs more than RHs he can maybe be helpful on offense.
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So our bench becomes backup catcher, Bonafacio, Beck, and who else? If Johnson wins the 2b job, does Sanchez make the team?
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Only one of Sanchez/Johnson make it I think. The other spot could be an outfielder or a utility man like Saladino.
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I am FIRMLY in the "let Micah Johnson stay in AAA" camp.
His 5.3% walk rate is alarming. Let him develop and be ready before you bring him up.
I don't care as much Sanchez. He's much closer to his ceiling IMO than Johnson is, and so having him up on the big club isn't really hindering his future development.
My lineup would feature Bonifacio as the everyday 2B. Beckham backs up 3B / 2B. Bonifacio can cover basically anything for anyone, and Beckham slides into 2B for those days.
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Is Bonifacio a better 2Bman than Beckham? If so, yes, I am not a fan of Sanchez either, and Johnson will not be ready this year. I thought maybe let Beckham play 2B and let Bonifacio be the man jumping around to other positions.
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Sign Everth Cabrera and move Alexei to 2B. Gordon should platoon with Conor. Bonifacio will be needed as super-utility and slotting in for the inevitable Eaton DL stints.
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Everth ain't good. Boni needs to backup 3B. Beckham should not get nearly as many ABs as Boni unless he wins the 2B job by default. Which is what I bet happens.
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Amusing:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/1/28/7933199/the-unlikely-return-of-gordon-beckhams-unfortunate-offseason-tradition
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I predict Gordon will become the everyday 2nd Baseman, and I expect his bat to bounce back with the pressure off.
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Now all we need is Buehrle.
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I predict Gordon will become the everyday 2nd Baseman, and I expect his bat to bounce back with the pressure off.
But the pressure isn't off. One can argue it's increased as he's at a huge crossroad in his career. He was not only traded in August because the CWS were planning to non-tender him after the season but then the LAA who traded for him non-tendered him and "Bacon" didn't get a job offer until late January. An offer that cut his salary by more than half. Another mediocre season relegates him to at best journeyman status with a possible need to sign a minor league contract or play in Japan in 2016 in order to stay in organized baseball. 2015 will be the most pressure packed season in Beckham's professional career. Especially when you consider he's now a married man too so 'failure' affects the lifestyle of more than just him.
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Sox marketing
http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/1/27/7919713/white-sox-marketing-waits-for-white-sox-baseball-to-cooperate
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2343127-sox-pulling-out-stops-to-bump-attendance
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Hahahaha! Ok Andy, since we are talking about baseball here's hoping Beck and his wife can squeak by on 2 mil a year.
I submit I am right about the pressure though. Must be a terrible
conundrum to know that if you get tge big hit it is going to be shown over and over again on Sports Center, Baseball Tonight et all, while you are wearing that awful red jersey the Angels sport sometimes. Not that the standard uni is any better with those red shoes. One wouldn't want to be caught dead in that so I see your point!!!
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Becks signed for 2.6 Million out of UGa, he subsequently earned 8.95 million in salary over the last 5 years, and he'll earn another 2 this coming year.
I wish i'd had a pressure packed year at 28 with 13.5 million in earnings in the bag... lets assume a total of 70% lost to taxes/agents/friends and family, and he's already put 4 million away in personal earnings.
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That sounds really horrible.. i dont wish it... But i dont think there is much pressure left on Becks at this point.
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you two just don't get it. Of course, pro athletes who spend more than 4 years in the majors don't have the same 'financial pressures' as a single parent working in a crappy $30K job that offers a strip down healthcare program or a typical suburban two income family with 2/3 kids or a family barely squeaking by from week to week or a young professional making $45-60K with school loans up the wazoo.
We're talking about the 'pressure' that Beckham is now facing which is the most pressure he's faced in his pro life. 'Failing' this coming season means he will have to actually 'work for a living' after his baseball career is over. The 7-figure salary would be gone and maybe never return. The baseball career could be over. Remember two teams dumped him in 2014 and no one was lined up to sign him when he became a free agent. 'Financial success' in sports is retiring with enough money to sustain you and your children and maybe your children's children for the rest of their lives without the need to work. Doesn't mean they won't find another profession after their career but the freedom of it being their choice. Robin Ventura has that. Thome, Konerko and Adam Dunn have that. John Danks, Brandon McCarthy, Adam LaRoche & Alex Rios have that. They all have "F#ck You" money where the can do anything they want or if they want can decide to 'sit on their asses' for the rest of their lives without any financial pressures.
No question it's less stressful to be a 28-year old with a net worth of $4 million than a 28-year old living paycheck to paycheck. But method you're not that thick, or you have very low standards, to think that $4 million in net worth is enough to sustain a 28-year old athlete anywhere near his present life-style for very long. Retiring with a $4 million net worth will mean those three or four days a week dinners at $$$$ restaurants will have to be greatly reduced. As will the lavish multi-week vacations at 4-star resorts or trips to Europe/Australia as will any reality to live in a million dollar home or have multiple residences or make that impulse purchase of high dollar vehicles for him & his wife. Maybe those things don't appeal to Beckham but I doubt it looking at his twitter account where it seems like he's always on vacation in a tropical location. You're right that he'll never be in the position that you are as a 'normal' person. Unless he's a complete fool financially, he'll never need to keep driving a ten year old car or clip coupons or survive on ramen noodles, the dollar menu items at fast food franchises and $5 Little Cesar Hot-N-Ready pizzas that some people are having to do to stretch their income to make ends meet. He'll always have the advantages of being a former pro athlete when it comes to some money making opportunities but his future won't be as easy as what he expected/hoped it would be when he was chosen as the 8th pick in the first round of the MLB draft.
My point was this season will be the MOST pressure Beckham has faced in his pro career. Yes he no longer has the 'pressure' of being a starter and the appointed future 'leader' on the field. His new pressure is preforming well enough to keep his career alive. He's at the make or break point in his career as it's been shown that no one wanted him this off-season. He's not even assured a place on the 25-man roster this spring. A poor spring training coupled with a hot spring training by both Garcia & Johnson COULD result in Beckham being released at the end of spring training. A move that would ONLY cost the White Sox $334K (1/6 of the $2M contract). Beckham's in a more precarious position than he's been in any of his pro seasons. There is less likelihood of the team giving him the 'time to find his offense game' like they did in the past. He's no longer a prospect or an important player to the team. He's the last minute signee who's trying to be 23rd-25th member of the roster. This may be his LAST chance. He needs to produce big time if he ever will have the chance to land a decent free agent money multi-year contract. By decent I mean $20M for 4 years which is a fortune to most people but to people he may consider his 'peers' is just decent.
He's at the fork of the road where failure means he's like Mark Prior (some success but his career fell far, far short of what was expected by him or the organization that drafted and signed him).
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I wouldn't even bother answering but for the fact that it might be be construed as some sort of agreement. ...
So many suppositions in that post. Fyi Beckham's dad is the CEO of a pretty large company I'm pretty sure his finances are in good hands. Some people have parents or siblings who are dying --Now that's pressure, "regular" person or not. Fwiw I was talking about the alleviated pressure from the actual game on the field due to better bats around him.
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The 2015 season is over before it ever began....might as well start selling off pieces now...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-campana-acl-20150210-story.html
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It's OK, ISF. We've made up for it in other areas:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/02/white-sox-matt-albers-agree-to-minor-league-deal.html
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And here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=delmon000nic&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.mlbtraderumors.com
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/02/minor-moves-guillon-rapada-delmonico-todd.html
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Delmonico has a nice eye at the plate, decent BB vs K ratios. Some power. Maybe that was from roiding?
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Yeah, I really like the Delmonico pickup. He's only 22.
My perception is that there is an adjustment period between when someone gets off the pills and when they start producing. Melky is an example.
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Matt Albers
Hey Hey Hey...
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I have an entirely new outlook on Fat Albert now ...
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Yeah, I really like the Delmonico pickup. He's only 22.
My perception is that there is an adjustment period between when someone gets off the pills and when they start producing. Melky is an example.
Agree. Albers was a good move as well.
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Printable Sched, with times & TV channel:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/downloads/y2015/2015_season_schedule_02.pdf
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RIP Minnie Minoso.
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Autopsy: Minoso died from tear in pulmonary artery
By Ed Sherman, Special to the Tribune - March 1, 2015, 3:55PM
White Sox great Minnie Minoso died from a tear in his pulmonary artery caused by "chronic obstructive pulmonary disease," an autopsy found Sunday afternoon.
Minoso had gone out Saturday night for a friend's birthday party when he apparently fell ill and pulled over in the Lakeview neighborhood, according to police and family.
He was found unresponsive in the driver's seat of his car near a gas station in the 2800 block of North Ashland Avenue around 1 a.m. Sunday, according to police. There were no signs of trauma and Minoso was pronounced dead at the scene at 1:09 a.m., police said.
Minoso's son said he had talked with his father Saturday and "he was in great spirits."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-great-minnie-minoso-dead-at-90-20150301-story.html#page=1 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-great-minnie-minoso-dead-at-90-20150301-story.html#page=1)
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Sad. Minnie passing to me is like Banks passing to Cub fans.
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WGN sad Minnie died due to natural causes
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Sad. Minnie passing to me is like Banks passing to Cub fans.
Would Minoso be "Mr. White Sox"?
I would think Luke Appling...or Konerko if you want someone from most of our lifetimes...
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And that's not me saying you're wrong in thinking that...everyone has their own opinion on that stuff...just me thinking out loud...
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http://regressing.deadspin.com/youve-got-to-be-superman-to-swing-like-jose-abreu-1689330810/+kylenw
Interesting read on Jose Abreu's swing
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I do not think the franchise has one like that, in some ways Shoeless Joe is what we are all about. Could have been Frank if he would not have been such a turd at times. Appling was too long ago. Minoso was not a Sox player long enough, he spent time with the Indians in the 50s too.
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fast forward to 3:30 of this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQT_WL9or8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQT_WL9or8Q)
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He was great. Could do everything.
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The White Sox will wear No. 9 patches on their jerseys this season to honor Minoso:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-minnie-minoso-visitation-spt-0307-20150306-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-minnie-minoso-visitation-spt-0307-20150306-story.html)
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Andy,
I dont remember which thread we made our Bet in... but... I have fullfilled my end. i can provide a CC statement to confirm if you like :)
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Most recently Chicago White Sox Charities - with your support - provided grant funding to 37 Chicago-area agencies that are making a significant and lasting impact on so many of our most vulnerable residents - agencies such as Gilda's Club Chicago, Youth Guidance, Metropolitan Family Services and Chicago Children's Advocacy Center. With your generosity lives have been changed.
To the Chicago White Sox, winning goes beyond the baseball diamond into the community. The White Sox and CWSC want to inspire, educate and embrace Chicago to create a lasting legacy for future generations. Thank you for joining the White Sox and Chicago White Sox Charities in these efforts.
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Method, I can only see the last 4 of your credit card number....
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Michael Taylor retires, Engel Beltre signed as new filler:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-michael-taylor-retired-20150310-story.html
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Method, I can only see the last 4 of your credit card number....
sending you the rest on email... along with the 1.2 million in escrow to help me unlock 12 million from your Nigerian friend.
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Actually, Jhon Jheter is "mr. White Sox".
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And here I thought that I was Mr. White Sox.
Fickle fans.
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Reading tea leaves could signal opening day start for Jeff Samardzija
by Paul Sullivan - Chicago Tribune - March 14, 2015 8:34 PM
TEMPE, Ariz. — The White Sox's decision on whom to start on opening day became a little clearer Saturday when Jeff Samardzija was scheduled to start on Tuesday, putting him on schedule to replace injured Chris Sale in the opener.
"Is that what it lines him up for?" manager Robin Ventura said. "It might line him up for that, but there is another B game down the road so you never know."
So it doesn't mean anything?
"Not today, no," he said. "Doesn't mean anything today. He looked great today, too."
"Any time you get an opportunity to pitch in any type of game like that, whether it's a playoff game, play-in game, 163rd game, opening day, All-Star Game, you want to pitch in them." Samardzija said. "But that's so far away right now I'm not worried about it. I'm just worried about getting my work in and mentally being 100 percent and being where I need to be."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-opening-day-starter-white-sox-spt-0315-20150314-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-opening-day-starter-white-sox-spt-0315-20150314-story.html)
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JBN will be happy to hear this:
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White Sox changes cause Hawk Harrelson to stick to full schedule
by Paul Sullivan - Chicago Tribune - March14, 2015 8:24 AM
Glendale, Ariz. — Watching the bullpen implode last season was hazardous to the health of White Sox fans, and no one took it worse than broadcaster Ken "Hawk" Harrelson.
The long silences after blown games spoke volumes, and the simmering would continue on the 100-mile drive to his Indiana home.
"When we win, I'm happy. I'll listen to my Kindle, about 30 audio books last summer," Harrelson said. "And when we lose, if we beat ourselves the way we've done the last few years, I'm so pi$$ed off that by the time I get over my anger, I'm pulling into my driveway."
The spring air and sunshine in Arizona has a way of calming the nerves. Memories of lost ballgames recede like a college basketball coach's hairline.
It's a new year, a new bullpen and another reason for Hawk to pronounce he's as excited as he ever has been going into a season.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-hawk-harrelson-white-sox-spring-spt-0315-20150314-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-hawk-harrelson-white-sox-spring-spt-0315-20150314-story.html)
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Sox sign Eaton to 3 year 23.5 million dollar deal.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/12524777/chicago-white-sox-sign-cf-adam-eaton-5-year-235m-extension
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That's a 5 year extension plus club options for 2 more years
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yes but he will be hurt for 2 years... so its really a 3 year contract with 2 options.
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This sounds good but I'm still predicting Micah Johnson starts the season in Triple-A as he's not on the 40-man roster and they'll want to delay his service time to extend the time before he's eligible for arbitration & free agency. I'm penciling in Carlos Sánchez as the starting second baseball for at least the first month.
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Robin Ventura will let White Sox second-base battle play out
by Colleen Kane - March 23, 2015, 4:34 PM
GLENDALE, Ariz. – White Sox manager Robin Ventura said Monday he intends to let the battle for second base play out through the remainder of spring training, but he likes the fire he has seen from prospects Micah Johnson and Carlos Sanchez as they try to win the job.
“Both of those guys come to play,” Ventura said. “When you’re young and in a competitive position battle like this, it’s good not only for them, but for everybody else to see it.”
Johnson has caught attention at the plate this spring, going 15-for-33 with a double, a triple, a home run, six RBIs and two stolen bases over 13 games. Sanchez, who started at second against the Padres on Monday, has also performed well offensively in more limited time, going 8-for-23 with four RBIs through Sunday.
The concern surrounding Johnson coming in was whether his defense was up to speed, and he had a rough game Sunday against the Brewers. He committed his first fielding error of the year and also misplayed another ball for a Brewers single. Ventura said “those days are going to happen” to a young player like Johnson.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-second-base-20150323-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-second-base-20150323-story.html)
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Gordon Beckham on roster hampering White Sox growth
http://southsideshowdown.com/2015/03/16/gordon-beckham-on-roster-hampering-white-sox-growth/ (http://southsideshowdown.com/2015/03/16/gordon-beckham-on-roster-hampering-white-sox-growth/)
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Booooo. We need his glove.
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I think this year we go micah and hope it works out on D... i am ok with this plan as it can ensure a extended year of rebuilding.... yea...
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White Sox Claim Kyle Drabek
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/white-sox-claim-kyle-drabek.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/white-sox-claim-kyle-drabek.html)
http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2015/03/27/chicago-white-sox-claim-kyle-drabek-off-waivers-from-toronto-blue-jays/ (http://www.baseballessential.com/news/2015/03/27/chicago-white-sox-claim-kyle-drabek-off-waivers-from-toronto-blue-jays/)
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His dad was a Sox prospect before we dealt him for Roy Smalley Jr.
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Wasn't Doug Drabek on the '97 team? One of Scoop's favorites, IIRC.
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We got him back when he was much older, he went 12-11 with ERA over 5.
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MSF has lied to us about the influence he wields...
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/update/25129254/white-sox-to-start-pitcher-carlos-rodon-at-triple-a-charlotte
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Good. When we release Danks and bring up Rodon, it should be for good, and we'll have our extra year of control.
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Bah. I thought we were all in this year? are we really running that BP out there this year. i'll forgive the sox if he's up by april 12th...but right now it seems silly to send down our highest upside major league ready arm.
When did we become the Cubs? we didnt do this with Sale.
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Well then I guess he should have signed quickly instead of dicking around.
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Bah. I thought we were all in this year? are we really running that BP out there this year. i'll forgive the sox if he's up by april 12th...but right now it seems silly to send down our highest upside major league ready arm.
When did we become the Cubs? we didnt do this with Sale.
Carlos Rodon has pitched LESS THAN 25 innings in pro ball and those innings have been good but not great. His command was lacking as his BB9 ratio was 4.8. Since the White Sox already have a five man starting rotation without him, there's nothing wrong with sending him to Triple-A to work on his fastball command and his changeup. This is NOT similar to the Cubs dealings with Kris Bryant as Bryant has 740 plate appearances in 1 1/2 years as a pro.
Carlos Rodon's White Sox debut expected in 'not-too-distant future'
The Sox have considered whether Rodon could start the season in the big-league rotation or bullpen with fewer than 25 professional innings. They have been impressed this spring as Rodon posted a 3.65 ERA with three walks and 19 strikeouts in 121/3 innings.
But they also believe Rodon needs to work on his fastball command and his changeup to go with his well-established slider. For now, they think he will be best served doing that as a starter, and with Chris Sale on track to make his return from injury by the first weekend of the season, they have five starters who can hold down the rotation until Rodon is better prepared.
General manager Rick Hahn said depending on team circumstances or his developmental needs, Rodon still could be used out of the bullpen this year, as Sale was early in his career. But the Sox aren’t ready to change course from using him as a starter yet.
“He’s going to be a mainstay toward the front end of our rotation for a long time,” Hahn said. “I think everyone has now seen on a national level, thanks to the broadcast last week (against the Royals), how devastating his slider can be. … Now it’s a matter of getting that changeup to where it needs to be and continuing with fastball command and getting the right pitch mix.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-carlos-rodon-20150330-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-carlos-rodon-20150330-story.html)
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Well then I guess he should have signed quickly instead of dicking around.
Spot on as that one month of hardball negotiations to get every available dollar (which ended up to an additional $860K) might just end up delaying Rodon's free agency by a year. Chris Sale was very astute as he & his agent recognized that a fast and reasonable signing can lead to a quicker path to the majors and eventual free agency bargaining power.
If you produce on the field, your initial signing bonus is "chickenfeed" compared to what you can make when you're arbitration eligible and then finally reach free agency. Very few Boras college/high school clients realize that holding out for "all the money" always helps Boras' reputation to attract future Rule 4 Draft clients but doesn't necessarily benefit the player in the long run.
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Well then I guess he should have signed quickly instead of dicking around.
Exactly. He wanted to play hard ball to squeeze every last dollar out of the White Sox. And now the Sox will do the same. Like I said, both sides realize it's a business.
When did we become the Cubs?
It's actually more prudent for the White Sox to gain an extra year of control since they don't have the type of money to throw at FA's like the Cubs do. The Cubs are loaded with money and presumably in for a huge tv contract in a few years....they do have the money.
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http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/12593706/chicago-white-sox-offer-cheap-tickets-early-part-season
Boyer is a genius... love this move.
Why are the rays not doing this as well?
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And to think, 16 years ago, Rob Gallas brushed off my suggestion for $5 upper deck tickets in April and May as "unsustainable". An empty seat is lost parking and concession revenue.
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This is somewhat surprising as the White Sox will start the season with a 5-man bench as both Carlos Sanchez and Micah Johnson make the opening day 25-man roster. The Sox will go down to a 4-man bench when Chris Sale comes off the DL to make his first start. I'm assuming the player send down for Sale's return will be either Johnson, Sanchez or Beckham. If that ends up being Johnson that's pretty poor management of their 40-man roster.
I sure thought the White Sox would carry an extra reliever for that first week instead of another position player. Multiple moves must now be made on the 40-man roster as presently it sits at 39 but with Johnson, Soto & Albers not on it two players must be dropped. Possible even more if one or more of the other non-rostered relievers make the opening day roster. I'm guessing Brantley will be dropped from the 40-man and possibly Saladino.
Albers, Soto and Sanchez make Opening Day roster
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/115879074/matt-albers-geovany-soto-and-carlos-sanchez-make-white-sox-opening-day-roster (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/115879074/matt-albers-geovany-soto-and-carlos-sanchez-make-white-sox-opening-day-roster)
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White Sox cut pitchers Scott Carroll, Brad Penny
By Colleen Kane Chicago Tribune - April 2, 2015, 2:24 PM
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- The Chicago White Sox reassigned right-handers Brad Penny and Scott Carroll to minor-league camp Thursday, the final day of spring training.
Penny, who has pitched on and off in the majors since 2000, had joined the Sox on a minor-league contract this spring with the hopes of latching on as a fifth starter or potentially helping out in the bullpen.
He posted a 6.89 ERA, walking four and striking out nine over 15 2/3 innings pitched this spring. He will head to Triple-A Charlotte.
“I think it’s better for me to stay starting right now (at Charlotte) just so I can get the innings and get everything going,” Penny said. “But just take it one start at a time, starting with today.”
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-scott-carroll-brad-penny-20150402-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-scott-carroll-brad-penny-20150402-story.html)
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Sox signed Lindstrom to a minor league deal:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/04/white-sox-to-sign-matt-lindstrom.html
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Fire Ventura. He's the Sox equivalent of having Denis Savard coach the Blackhawks.
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White Sox send down Carlos Sanchez to clear space for Chris Sale
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/update/25145351/white-sox-send-down-carlos-sanchez-to-clear-space-for-chris-sale (http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/update/25145351/white-sox-send-down-carlos-sanchez-to-clear-space-for-chris-sale)
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After 8 games I've seen enough to suggest three moves.
Micah needs a bit more seasoning, bring Carlos Sanchez back.
Danks is worthless, let him go and bring Rodon up next week.
Ventura is no Joe Maddon. How about Dave Martinez? Other than robin's a good guy and former Sox, he doesn't have a clue. I think the only reason they hired him (and Ozzie) was to win more ticket sales. Ozzie paid off.
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Agree on letting Danks go and bringing up Rodon. Today is Rodon's next start, see how he does. Also agree on Sanchez, he is hitting since he has been sent down.
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Agree on both counts.
Danks to bullpen?
Johnson can develop more in the minors. His development is only being hindered right now by being up in the big leagues.
Sanchez is about as good as he's going to get. It's not like we'd be screwing up his long-term development by bringing him up.
So even if 2015 Sanchez = 2015 Johnson, 2016 Johnson >> 2016 Sanchez... unless we let Johnson continue to suck in 2015. Let him develop properly.
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Agree on letting Danks go and bringing up Rodon. Today is Rodon's next start, see how he does. Also agree on Sanchez, he is hitting since he has been sent down.
Since he went down? More like Carlos Sanchez has been hitting for two and a half months. He was 2nd in hitting in the spring training for the White Sox - only to be beaten out by Abreu's .500+ spring. Sanchez numbers were .425/489/.425 for an OPS of .914 in 40 ABs along with stellar defense. Then in his very limited playing time in the first week of the regular season, Sanchez was 2 for 3.
The only advantage Johnson has is extra base power which Sanchez is lacking. Not that Sanchez is just a singles hitter as he had 7 HRs, 6 triples and 14 doubles last season in Charlotte. I would have mentioned 'speed' too but I've already seen Johnson picked off first base, thrown out at third trying to take an extra base and nailed at home on a grounder to third. Speed is good, but not knowing when to use it negates some of that 'advantage'.
There's no denying I was set against promoting Johnson to the 25-man roster for opening day. Part of that was for 'club control' to delay his arbitration & free agency time table. The main reason was Johnson's less than average defense at 2nd. I don't want the White Sox to take a 'Cub-like' approach by promoting players before they are ready both defensively & offensively (see: Corey Patterson & Felix Pie). As many times those players deficiencies are NOT eliminated during their major league time. They need to be 'fixed' in AA or AAA before promotion to the majors. I want a roving infield instructor hitting 500+ ground balls a day to Johnson to improve his play. Especially when there seems to be an more than adequate alternative already on the 25-man roster. I hope Micah Johnson proves me wrong, but so far I've seen nothing to change my mind that Sanchez should be the starting 2nd baseman on the 'big club' and Micah should be playing for Charlotte..
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2 errors today for Sanchez, with 3 hits. 3 more hits for Trayce Thompson as well. Rodon went 5 meh innings.
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that meh outing would be considered outstanding for Danks and Noesi, even in AAA ball.
Rodon is being asked to work on his change up, so I expect some meh performances
He's still lights out better than Danks and Noesi.
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Agree, just a comment on his outing. I expect to see that once in a while.
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Rodon is being asked to work on his change up, so I expect some meh performances
It might be better that he works on his change up in AAA then. As much as I cringe at the thought of Danks and Noesi's turn in the rotation coming up, the last thing we want to do is rush Rodon too much. If he needs a 3rd pitch to be successful at the ML level, we don't want him having some bad outings while working on his change up and then ruining his confidence. I trust the org will do what's right for Rodon. It's just too bad they didn't address the starting pitching with 1 more better option.
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Can we please jsut bring him up to pitch the 8th inning. he can work on the change up in the bullpen throwing sessions or sim innings. we need arms in the BP that can get outs.
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That I agree with for sure.
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Until Robin can admit that it didn't matter what his video guys saw, nor Hawk defending him for saying that the sox didn't have the right video, I will be constantly hopeful of his firing.
To Rick Hahn. You want people to be accountable right? Then prove it.
It didn't matter what any video showed. It was the bottom of the ninth, runner got to second, his shortstop argued the call, and he did nothing. There was nothing to lose by challenging, but his mind works to slow to realize it. Every other manager in baseball knows how dumb and slow RV mind is and that will work against us.
I'll be over it when RV says I screwed up and it didn't matter about the videos. I want to believe in the guy again, and I just don't now. He shirked accountability.
Come on Robin. I'm over the game but not over you not being accountable.
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White Sox to call up top prospect Carlos Rodon
by Collen Kane - April 19,2015, 5:45 PM
DETROIT — After starting the season 4-7, the White Sox will call up some relief Monday when they return home for a seven-game stand at U.S. Cellular Field.
Top prospect Carlos Rodon will join the Sox on Monday, and the left-hander is expected to initially pitch out of the bullpen, a team source confirmed after Sunday's 9-1 loss to the Tigers.
Rodon, the No. 3 overall draft pick in June, had an impressive spring, going 2-0 with a 3.06 ERA, five walks and 21 strikeouts in 172/3 innings.
But the Sox sent Rodon to Triple-A Charlotte not only for the service-time benefit but for him to work on his changeup and fastball command. The Sox view Rodon long-term as a starter, but general manager Rick Hahn mentioned during spring training that they could use Rodon in the bullpen at first, as they did initially with Chris Sale.
"He could survive in the bullpen right now, yes," Hahn said at the end of March. "We may get to the point … of bringing him through the bullpen, in part because it will make the bullpen stronger and in part because OK, now he has to refine that fastball command against big-league hitters or get used to throwing all three of his pitches at the big-league level as the next stage in his development."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-carlos-rodon-debut-20150419-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-carlos-rodon-debut-20150419-story.html)
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Good. Quintana, Danks and Noesi all should be fighting for their jobs. Survivor Ventura: who gets voted off the proverbial island?
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To make room for Rodon, a player needs to be removed from the 25-man roster and a spot on the 40-man is also required. I'm guessing Kyle Drabek is the guy who loses on both accounts. Or Drabek goes on the DL, Rob Brantley who's already on the DL, comes off of it and is DFA.
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Good news on Rodon's call-up.
Hopefully he can work on his changeup from the 'pen.
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Well at least I have gotten Blacker to start believing what I know about Q.
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Should have shipped Q out for a nice prospect this past winter.
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Should have shipped Q out for a nice prospect this past winter.
That's easy to say in hindsight. No one except for Loveland thought that last year. He has up until this year been a really good pitcher. I know he stinks so far but can you imagine the rotation if all we had were Sale/Shark/Danks/Noesi and whoever would have filled in for Quintana, because the Sox weren't going out and signing Scherzer or trading for Cole Hamels so it would have been someone equally as bad as Danks or Noesi.
There are some big pitching names that will be FA at the end of the season. Does anyone see Reinsdorf opening the vault for Price or Zimmerman? I sure don't.
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Lets not give Loveland exclusive rights to bashing Q... pretty sure i was pushing for a Q for young position player trade this off-season...
leverage that nice "cheap" contract for good young talent... Xander would look great in black.
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Lets not give Loveland exclusive rights to bashing Q... pretty sure i was pushing for a Q for young position player trade this off-season
Well then I stand corrected. I guess Loveland was just more vocal about her disdain for Q. ;D
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2 bad starts in April and Q is now garbage?
Holy cr*p people, back off the ledge...
In statistics, that is called a negligible sample size. He has 2 years of being a well above average pitcher behind him.
Q isn't a problem. All pitchers have bad outings. Sale got shelled early last year.
I'm much more concerned that we will refuse to eat Danks contract and put Rodon in the rotation when he's ready.
Alot has been made of the first 25 games being in division. It's important we don't bury ourselves, but if we can finish April around .500 I expect the bats to pick up as the weather warms.
Replace Danks with Rodon and we have a 4-man staff that can get us a lot of winning streaks when we start hitting.
As for Q, my only concern is that he's hurt and not telling anyone. If his velocity is down he needs to be checked out.
If it's a command thing, which his last start would indicate, see my first comments.
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Spot on about the sample size.
Q's velocity is slightly down (FB velocity of 90.6 MPH vs. 91.4 MPH in 2014), but again - sample size.... BABIP is .365 (career average of .302).
Statistically, it's basically impossible to tell right now, so all we have is the eyeball test. Is he hitting his spots? How is he finishing on his pitches? How are the hits falling?
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It is statistically small.. but still doesnt change the fact that we had a fantastic chance to leverage him up to something big this off-season. i wish we'd done it!
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Statistically he is just as likely to post an L as he is a W, so he is overpaid.
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By that measure, 2014 Jose Quintana > 2013 Chris Sale.
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Chris Sale, Jeff Samardzija suspended 5 games
by Fred Mitchell - Apri; 25, 2015, 2:58 PM
The White Sox plan to appeal the 5-game suspensions levied on Saturday to starting pitchers Chris Sale and Jeff Samardzija for their part in Thursday night's ugly brawl with the Royals.
"We will work with them and their representatives and the players association in the coming days to try to figure out the best ways to handle the process going forward," Sox general manager Rick Hahn said Saturday.
"Obviously they will have their rights of protection so they could get to the point of stating their case and have it adjudicated. But for right now both players will appeal and both are scheduled to make their next start in Baltimore."
MLB also announced suspensions for Royals pitchers Yordano Ventura (7 games), Edinson Volquez (5) and Kelvin Herrera (2) and outfielder Lorenzo Cain (2). Sox catcher Tyler Flowers received an undisclosed fine.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-royals-suspensions-20150425-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-royals-suspensions-20150425-story.html)
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White Sox place Albers on DL, may need Rodon to start
Right-handed reliever fractured finger during Thursday night's fracas
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | @scottmerkin | 1:51 PM ET
CHICAGO -- The White Sox lost Thursday night's contest to the Royals by a 3-2 margin in 13 innings.
They potentially could lose starting pitchers Chris Sale and Jeff Samardzija for five games each, which represent two of six overall suspensions handed down by Major League Baseball on Saturday coming from the melee in the bottom of the seventh of that same Thursday game.
And now the White Sox have lost right-handed reliever Matt Albers to the 15-day disabled list due to a compression fracture suffered in a finger on his throwing hand. That injury was a direct result of Thursday's fracas, as announced by general manager Rick Hahn during a Saturday morning conference call.
Albers, 32, has a 1.59 ERA over four games covering 5 2/3 innings, with five strikeouts.
read more: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/120450788/white-sox-place-pitcher-matt-albers-on-dl-may-need-carlos-rodon-to-start (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/120450788/white-sox-place-pitcher-matt-albers-on-dl-may-need-carlos-rodon-to-start)
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It's time for Rick Hahn to take a visit to Lake Elmo, Minnesota:
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/ron-gardenhire-minnesota-twins-manager-ready-to-manage-again-042315
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I can't take Sox Brass seriously if they continue to have a mascot as a manager. I am a RV fan, and he was a great player and seems like a nice guy, but he is not a big league manager.
I know that Reinsdorf is reportedly to be very loyal to his employees, which is nice, but I find it hard to believe that he was successful in his other businesses by having people in positions they are not qualified for.
Time to end the madness before another season goes down the drain.
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I agree, in retrospect he let 2012 slip away. I'd even take Ozzie back.
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Ozzie or Gardenhire and I would be ok.
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No way to Ozzie. I understand that anything other than the catatonic appearance of Ventura seems appealing right now, but Ozzie is gone for a reason. He has a big mouth, he's embarrassing, and his kids butt their noses where they don't belong. Don't forget that Ozzie quit on the team so he could pursue what he thought was greener pastures. He might be fun at first but his act will get really old after awhile again.
It's time for this organization to start gaining some respect around baseball. As much as we hate to admit but look at the north side. With Theo and Maddon that is one well-respected and intelligent organization and it's starting to show. The Sox need to step it up now.
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Gardy. Team of geniouses.
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Every hour I check to see if Robin is gone. Sigh.
So what is more embarrassing? A kid making tweets about his dad's workplace or the product we are throwing out on the field now? I certainly hope I am not held responsible for every silly things my kids say.
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So what is more embarrassing? A kid making tweets about his dad's workplace or the product we are throwing out on the field now? I certainly hope I am not held responsible for every silly things my kids say.
Both are embarrassing and neither should be a solution. The problem with Ozzie isn't ONLY his kids....that just adds to the whole package of what is wrong with him and what this team does not need. He can't keep his mouth shut. He was in trouble his first week with the Marlins a few years ago. There's a reason no other team has shown interest in hiring Ozzie the past few years.
The White Sox can and should do better than Ozzie Guillen. Just my opinion, obviously. But I am as set in that opinion as you are about Quintana. ;D
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But I am as set in that opinion as you are about Quintana. ;D
Heh
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We haven't mentioned probably the worst 2015 performer for the Sox this year, our stolen base coach Vince Coleman. I think we only have two steals and more caught stealing. I think he put something into their minds that screwed them up. We have some decent runners in Micah, Adam E, Alexie, and Avasail.
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Good point
It is not like the poor fundamentals are relegated to same individuals. There has been a turn over in personnel and the poor play stays. That all falls on management I believe.
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On bright spot -- Avi Garcia. Nice start from a guy I am not convinced about.
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Rick Hahn announces Carlos Rodon to join the starting rotation. Next start for Rodon is Friday at Oakland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21TZb0byBUI&sns=tw
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Carlos Rodon to join the starting rotation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2zJecSbWRc
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I noticed that with his bad performance yesterday, Dan Jennings ERA is now north of 7. He's also is walking almost as many hitters as he's striking out (12 vs. 14). One or two more bad outings and he could be dining regularly at the Waffle House in Charlotte until he gets back on track. Only three pitchers on the Charlotte staff are presently on the 40-man roster. All three are right handed but the White Sox 40-man roster sits at 39 players so there is one open slot available.
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Zach Phillips and Surkamp have both done yeomen jobs with the Knights.
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Who is the biggest disappointment: Jennings, Melky, Alexi, or Adam "the Straw" Eaton?
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Who is the biggest disappointment: Jennings, Melky, Alexi, or Adam "the Straw" Eaton?
none of the above.
To me it's the "Duck Dynasty wannabe" Adam LaRoche. He sucks. I am almost to the point where I'm longing for the return of Adam Dunn.
Jeff Samardzija holds down the second spot as most disappointing. I expected much more from him especially as he'll be a free agent after the season.
Pretty much every regular on this club with the exceptions of Avisail Garcia and David Robertson have been disappointments to various degrees.
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I'd also go with Samardzija as most disappointing. Before tonight's outing he hasn't looked like the guy they thought they were getting.
Pretty much every regular on this club with the exceptions of Avisail Garcia and David Robertson have been disappointments to various degrees.
100% agree. It's hard to rag on Abreu when he's hitting nearly .300 but to me he's also been a disappointment. He's basically become a singles hitter. This team is sorely lacking power hitters right now and Abreu needs to be one of the home run hitters.
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LaRoche has always started slow historically. He'll put up his usual numbers. He leads the team in OBP, near the top in RBI's, has played well defensively, second in homers, and a few good games away from being at his career everage numbers.
Abreu to me is the most disappointing based on where I expected he would be. He's just above average, and I expected greatness.
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White Sox push back Carlos Rodon’s next start
The White Sox will skip Carlos Rodon’s next turn in the rotation and let Hector Noesi start in his place Monday against the Blue Jays.
The change is not a permanent one, but manager Robin Ventura wouldn’t say how many starts Noesi would make. The Sox are trying to ease Rodon into the rotation and limit his innings during his rookie season.
“We’ll be able to give Rodon that time,” manager Robin Ventura said, “to give him a stretch to where you can give him that rest.”
Rodon took Noesi’s place in the rotation following a spot start May 9 against the Reds. Two of his three outings have been quality starts, and Rodon has struck out 17 batters in 16 innings as a starter.
Noesi made four starts before Rodon bumped him from the rotation. He went 0-3 with a 6.06 ERA in those starts, and the Sox lost all four of those games. He’s made two appearances as a reliever, pitching 1 1/3 innings without allowing a run.
Noesi threw the last inning of the loss against the Indians on Thursday.
“Looking at him last night, his velocity was a lot more,” Ventura said of Noesi. “I think any guy that goes from starting to the pen, even though he’s got one inning, he probably added a couple miles to his fastball.”
Noesi has allowed 11 earned runs in 16 1/3 innings lifetime against Toronto.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/629911/white-sox-notebook-sox-skipping-carlos-rodons-next-start (http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/629911/white-sox-notebook-sox-skipping-carlos-rodons-next-start)
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What's Frank Thomas's role with this team this year, if he has a role? Don't remember seeing him on Comcast so far this year, and didn't see him attend the Paulie event today.
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What's Frank Thomas's role with this team this year, if he has a role? Don't remember seeing him on Comcast so far this year, and didn't see him attend the Paulie event today.
Frank Thomas 'graduated' from regional sports network and now has a national job. He was hired by FOX when they set up their Fox Sports 1 network. He's in the studio in LA for the Saturday baseball broadcasts on both Fox Sport 1 and FOX. Today he mention the Konerko ceremony in the broadcast:
https://twitter.com/MLBONFOX/status/602196306904252416 (https://twitter.com/MLBONFOX/status/602196306904252416)
Note: Frank also missed the Konerko statue dedication last year for the same reason. He was working in the studio for Fox Sports 1 that day too.
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Launch Danks already
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Launch Danks already
Flowers too. The scary part is there is no catcher in the system that's much better and I have no idea who's out there for Hahn to sign. We can't trade for any decent catcher without teams asking for the only couple of good players our farm system actually has.
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Fire Ventura
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Chris Beck to debut Thursday, Carlos Rodon returns Friday
TORONTO -- Chris Beck is in, Carlos Rodon is back and Hector Noesi may not be gone for long.
That’s the status of the White Sox rotation as manager Robin Ventura announced Beck would start the second game of a doubleheader Thursday while Rodon makes his next turn on Friday. Ventura also offered that Noesi, who was hurt by his defense in a 110-pitch effort on Monday, could get another start next week but is headed back to the bullpen for now.
“It’s a possibility (Noesi) would get another start somewhere in the next week, but as of right now, how it goes, he would be ready to go again probably Friday or Saturday,” Ventura said.
read more: http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/chris-beck-debut-thursday-carlos-rodon-returns-friday?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/chris-beck-debut-thursday-carlos-rodon-returns-friday?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo)
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underperforming Sox
Flowers
Soto
LaRoche
Abreu
Sanchez/Micah
Alexie
Conner G
Melky
Eaton
Bonafacio
Better than expected
Garcia
Beckham
Shuck
Pitching
worse than expected
Sam
Q
Noesi
Danks
Putnum
Petroika
Jennings
Noesi
Duke
OK
Sale
Rodon
Best Robertson
Mostly all under performers
a third of the season
Fire Robin, and K williams
JR sell the team
I lose hope tonight. A somewhat decent road trip, and thud 15-2
Robin doesn't have a clue how to lead
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Jerry Reinsdorf isn't going to ever sell this team. Too big of a tax hit on the capital gains if he ever sold it. His heirs will sell the team quickly after he dies. That was his instructions to his family. Keep the Bulls but sell the White Sox after I die.
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http://deadspin.com/nobody-can-touch-chris-sale-right-now-1710097767
The whiff rates that they cite in the article are insane:
Via Brooks Baseball and Pitch f/x, here are the whiffs per swing rates on all of Sale’s pitches from his last four starts:
Fastball: 28.43 percent
Sinker: 25 percent
Change up: 50.53 percent
Slider: 46.51 percent
Those numbers are insane, particularly the two attached to the slider and change up. For context, Stephen Strasburg had the whiffiest change up in baseball last year, racking up a whiffs per swing rate of 46.42 percent, and 2014’s most elusive slider (46.43 percent) belonged to Ervin Santana. So, basically, Chris Sale has spent his last 30 innings on the mound armed with not one, but two impossibly deadly out pitches.
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i believe after last nights start he also has 4 straight starts with over 20 swinging strikes... its been since randy johnson that someone did that... (javy lopez did it to).
He's really elevated his game. I wish we'd not gone for it all this off-season... this draft has been boooooring. and this team was one year away from an "all in" move.
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Not Javy Lopez, Javy Vazquez.
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my bad! thanks for the correction!
Javy is last person to do it 3 times in a row. randy was last for 4 times
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Awaiting AKA Loveland, the CWSFF Fashion Czar, review of the 2015 4th of July uniform & cap:
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Good piece on Loveland's favorite:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/6/12/8769793/theres-no-budging-jose-quintanas-q-rating
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Scott Carroll recalled from Charlotte, Hector Noesi designated for assigment
http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/6/18/8807265/scott-carroll-recalled-from-charlotte-hector-noesi-designated-for (http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/6/18/8807265/scott-carroll-recalled-from-charlotte-hector-noesi-designated-for)
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/6/19/8811255/white-sox-cant-get-defensive-over-breakdowns-in-field
Hits the nail on the head....
Maybe someone like Ozzie is what's needed on this team... someone who will take charge.
<ducks>
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I concur.
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Are they really too scared to fire Robin? Then don't hire "friends".
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They are too scared to fire Robin, and too scared to dump Danks, Bonafacio, etc. because once they do that they (RH and KW) they are next.
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They are too scared to fire Robin, and too scared to dump Danks, Bonafacio, etc. because once they do that they (RH and KW) they are next.
I would be okay with that if I trusted Reinsdorf to hire smart baseball people instead of his "friends". This org needs a complete overhaul starting at the top, and it starts with JR.
However, I will say I haven't soured on Hahn yet. He made some moves that looked good but just haven't worked out.
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However, I will say I haven't soured on Hahn yet. He made some moves that looked good but just haven't worked out.
I agree with this.
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I've given up on Hahn because he tried to make this off season work, and I give him credit for that, but he's now waited way too late to make any changes to turn this season around.
There is something obviously wrong in the clubhouse for all 9 position batters to be having bad years.
His inaction is inexcusable.
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Not sure they would mind one more poor season. One more top draft pick as well as more money for draft and international draft as well. Seems they are letting Danks pitch until he gets hot then maybe we can move him.
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http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-no-excuse-adam-eatons-lack-hustle-hit
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Adam Eaton needs a serious kick in the arse, and Robin is not the guy to do it.
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Wish we had never committed to Eaton for those years. I heard his Arizona mates did not care too much for him. I can see why, what a chode.
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It's too early to give up on Eaton. How can you call him a chode when you don't know him first hand?
According to Fox and Boat and many others, Obama is a chode or worse
Let history decide
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Oh come on Juan, take a lude, for chrissakes
He looks like a chode and he has not been a good teammate prior to the Sox, that is history.
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Heh. MSF is firey tonight
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Understandable, as dogstoothe got him all worked up by talking about some mannequin he saw.
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From De Luca at The Bright One:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/731065/white-sox-need-dump-robin-dial-ozzie
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Eaton is a Total Chode. And a very bad player. F Eaton. Featon.
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Featon, I like that, my new name for him.
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Be the first on your block to #Featon
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Be the first on your block to #Featon
Classic
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http://deadspin.com/some-thoughts-on-chris-sales-historically-dominant-run-1715139254
Per Paul Casella of MLB.com:
Chris Sale has two games this year in which he hasn't gotten a win despite 8+ IP, 12+ Ks and 0/1 run allowed. Rest of MLB has two COMBINED.
Pfft... if he were so good, he'd have won those games....
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he caught Q's disease... tsk tsk.
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no one has mentioned... sale tied pedro's record of consecutive 10 K games last night.
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Checked his stats, Sale's ERA for the month of June is well under 2.00 in 6 starts INCLUDING a game where he gave up 5 runs in 6 IP. So in the other 38 IP, he's allowed 4 ER. 44 IP and 36 base-runners allowed with 75 Ks. Dude, that's sick! Except for the 2-2 record...
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In other "it-kinda-sucks-to-be-Sox-fan-'cept-for-the-awesomeness-of-2005" news:
Buehrle's chugging along, chewing up innings with decent starts and tallying the Ws. 9 wins already this year and it's only July. If he pitches five more years after this season, he should be a lock for 275 wins. Shame we weren't able to witness this with him in a Sox uni.
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Checked his stats, Sale's ERA for the month of June is well under 2.00 in 6 starts INCLUDING a game where he gave up 5 runs in 6 IP. So in the other 38 IP, he's allowed 4 ER. 44 IP and 36 base-runners allowed with 75 Ks. Dude, that's sick! Except for the 2-2 record...
If it was not for the Twinkies, he would have a hell of a record.
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In other "it-kinda-sucks-to-be-Sox-fan-'cept-for-the-awesomeness-of-2005" news:
Buehrle's chugging along, chewing up innings with decent starts and tallying the Ws. 9 wins already this year and it's only July. If he pitches five more years after this season, he should be a lock for 275 wins. Shame we weren't able to witness this with him in a Sox uni.
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It is a major bummer whenever I think about it.
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Yeah, but you guys are forgettin' that we were able to sign Danks long term with the money we saved on Burley-man! ;D
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Yeah, but you guys are forgettin' that we were able to sign Danks long term with the money we saved on Burley-man! ;D
Now that is just downright cruel!
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Whenever Danks pitches poorly, which is pretty much whenever he pitches, I can't help but play the What If game... they never should have let Buehrle leave.
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Except as I recall I was one of the only persons on the 'Don't Let Buehrle Leave" bandwagon. Just sayin'
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That is true. I think many wanted him to stay but were ok with toeing the line somewhat. He was well worth whatever Toronto paid him in hindsight.
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That is true. I think many wanted him to stay but were ok with toeing the line somewhat. He was well worth whatever Toronto paid him in hindsight.
It was Miami, not Toronto, that signed him to the 4-year / $58 million contract and no he's not worth the $20 million he's being paid this season. Has Buehrle been better than Danks over the last 3+ years? Of course he has but Danks has an excuse, he had surgery in August 2012 on his throwing shoulder which is the worst injury a pitcher can have. The % of pitchers returning to 100% from shoulder surgery is much, much lower than pitchers returning from 'Tommy John' elbow surgery. While Buehrle has performed better than Danks, neither one is worth what they're being paid. Buehrle's number would be worse if he was still a member of the White Sox because he'd be backed up by the White Sox anemic offense & their dreadful defense instead of Toronto.
Would the White Sox have been better to sign Buehrle rather than Danks? Yes but who could have predicted Danks would get hurt. The White Sox made the logical choice to sign the 26-year old pitcher and let the 32-year old one leave in free agency. Too bad they wasted the compensation pick by drafting Keon Barnum. A later shoulder injury ended up making their decision to sign Danks to a 5-year deal a mistake. I think the White Sox didn't make a mistake in letting Buehrle go. Unless Buehrle was willing to sign for much less than the $58 million he received, they might have been better off to let BOTH of them go. In hindsight, letting Buehrle leave to free agency and trading Danks for top prospects after the 2011 season would have been the ideal outcome.
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Value of HOF pitcher spending his entire career with the White Sox = priceless.
Shoulda signed him.
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Value of HOF pitcher spending his entire career with the White Sox = priceless.
Shoulda signed him.
Who you talking about? Can't be Mark Buehrle as his chance of making the HOF is slim to none. ;D
Now, six more years of Chris Sale continuing to do what he's doing, that's a White Sox HOF pitcher.
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$62 million for 4 years, that wasn't worth beating.
Our problem is Robin and our soft front office afraid of admitting mistakes.
Fire Robin, and things start to get better.
How can all nine position players be playing consistently below the numbers on the back of their cards? There is a lack of leadership on this club. These guys are young.
Might as well see what Davidson has to offer, can't be worse than Conner.
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Buehrle is Frank Viola without a CYA.
He's going to Cooperstown the same way I am...buying a ticket...
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Buehrle is Frank Viola without a CYA.
He's going to Cooperstown the same way I am...buying a ticket...
I agree Mark Buehrle is his generation's Frank Viola. Unlike Dave23 he won't have to buy a ticket to get into the HOF museum as I'm sure they let him in free considering they have some of his game worn memorabilia from his perfect game.
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My guy:
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-don-cooper-says-mark-buehrle-had-beer-unexpected-world-series-bullpen-call
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I didn't realize things were this bleak....
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/MLB/2015-standard-batting.shtml#teams_standard_batting::3
Sox are dead last in runs scored and runs per game.
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Our lineup looks real bad every night, a lot of poor averages.
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Sox are dead last in runs scored and runs per game.
With absolutely no help in the minors (in regards to position players) to really look forward to. This team really really needs to get some young hitting talent in the system...if that means trading Quintana to fill some of those holes, might be something Hahn should look into. Would hate to lose a pitcher of his quality but the offense is so dreadful and the system is so bare that I'm not sure how else to find those hitters. The FA route hasn't worked thus far.
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If I am GM today, I would package Bonafacio, Conner G, Danks into some whatever semi useless bat we can get. We aren't going to win the WS this year, let the Davidson/Micah options on the big league team play out the rest of the year, so we know better where we stand next year. Sanchez has proven he can be the great utility player and plays great D, but can't hit. Beckham will never hit. Will Abreu of 2014 ever return?
Erick Johnson needs to replace Danks, and if we fired Greg Walker for hitting woes, how can Todd S. be still here with hitting woes worse than any team since WW2?
Danks needs to be released, once in a blue moon he has a good game. But what's the point of keeping him?
And Robin must go.
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I way keep Davidson and Micah down in the minors. Let them develop - don't rush them.
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F the offense.
The Sox won in '05 with hardly any position players having a career year. Iguchi maybe because he was an unknown commodity and never replicated his stats from that year. The Sox won with good starting pitching, some stable relievers, and a solid closer. They have that this year, and while I don't expect them to make the playoffs, they are still in a decent position (5-under with 79 games left) to put together a strong second half and at least make a run at a wild card spot.
They also have some nice young players on the team, Abreu, Garcia, Eaton (if he can get his sh1t together), Sanchez. Add a Pierzynski-type catalyst in the off-season and it could click. But with Sale, Samardzija, Quintana, and Rodon, backed by Robertson, I say bankroll your pitchers and let the offense feed off of them rather than the other way around.
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Micah could use more seasoning, but Davidson has 2.5 years at AAA. He is going to be no worse than Conner and at least we'll get some added power which we desperately need
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Davidson is not the answer. The answer may be in AA and he was out the first half of the year. I think he was on suspension when the Brewers released him. Nick Delmonico is his name. Seems to be a hitter.
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Report: Montas moving up to White Sox
Chicago calling up No. 2 prospect for Friday doubleheader vs. Royals
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150715&content_id=136836306&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20150715&content_id=136836306&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&sid=milb)
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Cool... interested in seeing the heater.
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Throws hard, but no movement. Terrible move to bring him up at this point. I bet he gets lit up.
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Maybe the element of surprise??? I've always thought that a hitter facing an unfamiliar pitcher (and vice versa) gives the advantage to the pitcher.... though I could just be making that up.
Plus they might have gotten a good look at him during the Futures game as well.
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Plus they might have gotten a good look at him during the Futures game as well.
I thought I read that he did get lit up in the futures game. Whoever it was (Dan Hayes, maybe??) said the same thing as msf....he threw hard but no movement.
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Yes, he did get lit up in the Futures game.
He's the kind of guy I'd like to see spend a year in the 'pen.
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Yes, he did get lit up in the Futures game.
He's the kind of guy I'd like to see spend a year in the 'pen.
Exactly. Also, your other point about seeing a new guy, that always works vs the Sox
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Plus they might have gotten a good look at him during the Futures game as well.
I thought I read that he did get lit up in the futures game. Whoever it was (Dan Hayes, maybe??) said the same thing as msf....he threw hard but no movement.
He hit 101, but they hit him hard.
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what's his current ERA?
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Plus they might have gotten a good look at him during the Futures game as well.
I thought I read that he did get lit up in the futures game. Whoever it was (Dan Hayes, maybe??) said the same thing as msf....he threw hard but no movement.
He hit 101, but they hit him hard.
A fastball in upper 90s, low 100s isn't going to have any movement.
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what's his current ERA?
2.47 in AA ball
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Wtf is going on with Sale?
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What do you mean?
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Tyler Saladino = extra grindy.
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#Featon
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Man, how many times does it happen this year, it seems. We get some runs to take a lead or tie the game, and our starter goes out and gives up the lead right away.
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What do you mean?
why is he not pitching this series?
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What do you mean?
why is he not pitching this series?
He is pitching in this series. He's scheduled to start the series finale on Sunday.
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I agree, what is going on with Sale. He is or ace, didn't pitch in the All-Star game, hasn't pitched since Saturday and He didn't stat today to get back into the top of the rotation.
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I agree, what is going on with Sale. He is or ace, didn't pitch in the All-Star game, hasn't pitched since Saturday and He didn't stat today to get back into the top of the rotation.
In his last 10 starts, Chris Sale has AVERAGED over 115 pitches per game so they decided to take advantage of the All-Star break/schedule and give him an additional two days off. Makes sense to me to try and protect his arm as he is by far the most valuable asset in this whole organization. He is pitching against the Royals this weekend so no real need to second guess the plan.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30948/chris-sale (http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30948/chris-sale)
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Makes sense to me as well.
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Ummmm.... That's all.
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Maybe they are going to listen to poor old metodo... and begin the rebuild in ernest.
Sale to the Stros for Correa/Moran/Felix/Velasquez and santana.
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The White Sox are expected to add a pitcher / move a position player after this series.
So what happens after Sunday's game?
Does Tyler Saladino get sent back to Charlotte or does he stay and Carlos Sanchez get demoted again to AAA?
Or do Saladino & Sanchez both stay and the White Sox trade either Bonifacio or Alexei or trade/DFA Gillaspie or Beckham?
Make your prediction before game time tomorrow or whenever they make the move whichever comes first..
I'm guessing they can't find a buyer for Bonifacio. Alexei, Gillaspie or Beckham and aren't ready to release one of them so they send Sanchez down until they move one of them just before the trade deadline. Unless some position player is 'injured' and put on the 15-day DL to make room for the extra arm in the bullpen.
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I agree with your choice, if it's not that it's Conner. Tyler has to stay up as he is adding much needed energy.
And why do they have to wait until tomorrow, we were a pitcher short today?
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Manager short all season
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True prophets! ;)
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« Reply #1763 on: July 12, 2014, 08:44:21 am »Quote Gillaspie is a true baseball player, we do not have many of those. He is a very good hitter and will only get better as he gets a bit more power. Might fit better at 1B than 3B as a fielder but we have Abreu. I think Gillaspie can maintain this hitting for a long time. He is no flash in the pan.
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« Reply #1766 on: July 12, 2014, 03:28:46 pm »Quote Hahaha. MSG, stupid phone. .. can't
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White Sox designate Conor Gillaspie for assignment
The White Sox have designated third baseman Conor Gillaspie for assignment, while reinstating right-handed pitcher Matt Albers from the disabled list on Sunday.
"We needed an arm right now, and the way it shakes out -- it's a tough decision, a tough call," manager Robin Ventura said.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-conor-gillaspie-matt-albers-20150719-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-conor-gillaspie-matt-albers-20150719-story.html)
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I missed by a mile on Gillaspie. Of course, Juan hits all his correctly. Jeesh, turning into a chode dude, you keeping count?
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MSF I was joking! I was searching for some key words earlier today and I stumbled on those old posts. I also had just learned of CG's release. It just seemed too funny! ;D
Don't worry we all make bad prophets.
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OK, now I understand, sorry for railing on you. Yep, my classic miss was that Reed kid who played OF for us, went for Freddy. Course Freddy helped us get a WS the following year (I think it was). I did really think Gillaspie would turn into a decent hitter, shows what I know.
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Roster moves: The White Sox placed utility man Emilio Bonifacio on the bereavement list before Thursday’s game against the Indians at Progressive Field. They called up Leury Garcia from Triple-A Charlotte to fill his roster spot.
Garcia is hitting .301 with 15 doubles, 23 RBIs, 39 runs and 27 stolen bases over 73 games with Charlotte this season.
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Big bro's tweet says Thompson will join White Sox
NBA star Klay congratulates Chicago prospect Trayce before removing post
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | @scottmerkin | 7:15 PM ET
CHICAGO -- White Sox outfielder J.B. Shuck was placed on the disabled list prior to Saturdays' game with the Yankees due to a strained left hamstring suffered late in Friday's loss. Right-handed pitcher Scott Carroll was called up from Triple-A Charlotte to take Shuck's roster spot.
The White Sox temporarily needed a 13th arm with the bullpen being extended due to short starts from Chris Sale and Carlos Rodon over the past two nights. But based on a tweet from Klay Thompson on Saturday, a tweet that since has been deleted, the White Sox might be adding a position player soon.
Klay is more than just an All-Star and key member of the NBA champion Golden State Warriors. He also is the older brother of Trayce Thompson, the White Sox No. 15 prospect, the proud tweet that follows.
"Some of the greatest news I've heard my little bro is in the majors. Words can't describe how proud I am can't wait to get to Chicago!" Klay said in his tweet.
It's hard to argue brotherly love, especially for a hard-working, quality kid such as Trayce. He was drafted by the White Sox in the second round of the 2009 MLB Draft and is hitting .260 with 13 homers and 39 RBIs for Charlotte this season.
read more: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/140446994/klay-thompson-tweet-says-trayce-to-white-sox (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/140446994/klay-thompson-tweet-says-trayce-to-white-sox)
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Laumann promoted up the chain, Hostetler is the new dude that will do the draft. He has done well for us as a scout.
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Sox going towards analytics. Hard to believe they have not as of yet. I suppose KW thought he had a scouts eye and did not need analysis. Hostetler sees value in contact bats, wow, who woulda thunk!!!
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/141544310
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Reminds me of that scene in Moneyball, with the crusty old scouts.
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I had always hoped that we were doing it behind the scenes... really sad to see its taken this long to get on board.
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Nice to see the team wearing the throwback Go-Go White Sox jerseys from the '50s today. Too bad they didn't break out the '50s caps too. Also nice to see them honor Minnie by wearing number 9 but they could have had the pitchers today wear #19 in Billy Pierce's honor as both were big contributors to the success of the White Sox teams in the '50s.
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Too bad Smardjzia didn't pitch like Mr. Pierce
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He pitched more like Webb Pierce.
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I have a feeling Samard-Jah is going to suck so bad the rest of the year that Hahn will not even give him a qualifying offer, for fear he'll accept it, and we'll end up with nothing.
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I have a feeling Samard-Jah is going to suck so bad the rest of the year that Hahn will not even give him a qualifying offer, for fear he'll accept it, and we'll end up with nothing.
Got to offer him the qualifying offer. Should be about $16 million for one year. I'd be happy if Samardzija took it as I'm willing to g@mble that this year is an abnormality. Then they could possibly move him next July if (or should I say when) they're not in contention.
I'd rather Samardzija return next year on a one year deal then see Adam LaRoche in a White Sox uniform in 2016.
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I agree with all that Andy
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Glass is half full view of this season. The Sox are 4.5 games out of a playoff spot, so are the Washington Nats.
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White Sox activate Shuck, designate Bonifacio
Thompson gets extended look after initial success
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | @scottmerkin | August 16th, 2015
CHICAGO -- The return of J.B. Shuck to the White Sox active roster and the designation of infielder Emilio Bonifacio for assignment points up the White Sox dual desire to push for the American League's second Wild Card but also give their young players a chance.
Shuck appeared in three rehab games with Triple-A Charlotte to test his strained left hamstring and now returns to the White Sox outfield mix. The White Sox could have optioned Trayce Thompson back to Charlotte, keeping the versatility of Bonifacio, but with six hits in 12 at-bats since his callup, Thompson has earned his place on the roster.
"With kind of the emergence of Trayce, you are getting Shuck back and you can have him as a pinch-hitter playing the outfield," said White Sox manager Robin Ventura. "Again, you look at what Trayce has done since he's been up here, you have some options there.
read more: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/143481712/white-sox-designate-emilio-bonifacio (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/143481712/white-sox-designate-emilio-bonifacio)
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Bob Nightengale has been reporting fairly confidently lately that KW will go to either Toronto or Seattle after the season. Let's hope and pray, although the main problems still start at the top with Reinsdorf.
For now let's lose as many games as possible and get that high draft pick.
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White Sox call up Francellis Montas, Erik Johnson, Rob Brantly and Leury Garcia:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/146695396 (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/146695396)
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-call-francellis-montas-three-others?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-call-francellis-montas-three-others?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo)
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White Sox hope Mike Olt can fill possible infield vacancy in 2016
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-hope-mike-olt-can-fill-possible-infield-vacancy-2016 (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-hope-mike-olt-can-fill-possible-infield-vacancy-2016)
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ugh
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Hopefully he can become the new hole in the middle of the lineup once the Sox realize LaRoche is a bust.
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Hopefully he can become the new hole in the middle of the lineup once the Sox realize LaRoche is a bust.
heh
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Wasn't Mike Olt a very highly touted prospect at one point? What happened? Just another hyped up prospect that didn't live up to his billing or did something else contribute to his fall from grace? I know I read he had vision problems or something but hard to believe that caused him to completely forget how to hit a ball once his vision was fixed.
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He has always struck out a ton. He was highly touted, but by folks who like homers and do not care if a guy Ks 200 times.
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What MSF said.
He's a corner infield version of Joe Borchard, minus the college QB experience.
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what msf and jc said plus if you are going to give a clear loser a shot why not let our loser, Matt D, at least get the first shot.
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typical mis management by the org.
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White Sox open with four at Oakland next year.
Funny thing is, just the other day I was thinking about how fun it is to open the season on the west coast -- the late night opening day, none of that "day off after opening day" crap, etc. And viola, a west coast opener.
Have I mentioned how much fun it is to win the World Series?
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So we will start out 0-4, great
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Quote from Robin about Micah Johnson, maybe they are listening to me (the DH idea)
"You'll integrate him in and there's a couple of different things you can do with him," Ventura said. "You can have him at second, he can DH, put a different element in there like that."
I would much rather have a DH like him, than LaRoche, Olt or Davidson. Power hitters who K too much irritate me to no end.
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2015/9/10/9299993/no-seriously-who-will-finish-second-in-homers-for-the-2015-white-sox
Who will finish second in HR's?
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John Danks warmed up in a leprechaun suit because he lost a bet
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/john-danks-chicago-white-sox-leprechaun-suit (http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/09/john-danks-chicago-white-sox-leprechaun-suit)
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Lol, now why do you think I would like that little comic strip, Love? I have nothing against the cubs. I've barely even mentioned the team up north this year, have I? ;D
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At this point we would be dumb to make a QO to Sam... that means we are going to get nada and like it.
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Think "Sammy" wishes he would have taken that contract offer from the Cub?
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Think "Sammy" wishes he would have taken that contract offer from the Cub?
He should have. Cub fans will now say thank God he didn't take the offer because he's a terrible pitcher and oh boy we got Addison Russell for him. However, first of all JS was pitching very well at the time of that trade but secondly, the cubs might actually have been better off if Samardzija had signed with them. I fully believe he would still be pitching at least fairly well in the NL and the cubs could certainly use a #3 starter right now. Their rotation is complete sh*t after Arrieta and Lester and their offense wouldn't miss a beat if they didn't have Russell.
Just my take.
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I am going to guess most Cub fans would prefer Russell at SS. I would. He could be a 10-15 year SS for them. Maybe Dave will chime in.
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I could see that view but I also see it as they need pitching badly. I'd rather have JS pitching a postseason game than Dan Haren or Clayton Richard. With all the thunder in the lineup the cubs have, they'll still be a good team without Russell. If Samardzija were still there pitching as he was for them, that's a pretty good #3 and in a short postseason series you can get away with that.
It's sort of kind of like our situation with Quintana. He's a very good, young cheap pitcher but the Sox may have to consider dealing him to shore up a bigger hole on the team since we have other pitching prospects who can possibly take his place.
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who can possibly take his place.
Possibly is a big word in that sentence. With how he has pitched this year, on the whole, we can likely replace Sam's numbers. Not Qs however.
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I'm still in the camp of offering Samardzija the qualifying offer.
Since Samardzija is interested in a long term contract, I think it's 90%/10% that he refuses the qualifier resulting in a compensation pick (overall #31-37?) if he signs with a team before next June's draft.
Failure to make the offer actually REWARDS Samardzija as his 'new' team wouldn't need to lose a pick to sign him. This could increase the number of teams interested in signing him driving up his price.
If Samardzija accepts the qualifier, there's a decent chance that his 2016 performance returns to near his career norm. That's what happened in Adam Dunn's second season with the White Sox after his disastrous first year. If Samardzija returns to his norm and the White Sox are again out of playoff contention, they can either move him near the trade deadline or offer him another qualifying offer for 2017.
If Samardzija still stinks in 2016, it was a bad g@mble but it wouldn't be the first time that the White Sox guessed wrong. It's not my money, so I'd roll the dice and make the qualifying offer that walk away in the next two months with nothing.
I do know one thing for certain if Samardzija isn't offered the QO and then signs with one of our division rivals or the team on the northside and then rebounds to his career norm or better, almost EVERY White Sox fan will be complaining about how he was let go for nothing.
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who can possibly take his place
Well, Erik Johnson can possibly take his place. Look, I know the replacement pitcher will not be as good but again, when you have a FO who does not spend money on the big FA's and cannot draft a good hitter to save their lives, you have to sacrifice something somewhere to get what you need.
I'd rather keep Q, Sale and Rodon too but something has to give. This offense is horrific with no internal help in sight.
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They have to give him the QO. Can't just let him go for nothing.
I heard the other day that no player has ever accepted a QO... or maybe it was no pitcher. Not sure if that is true, but if so, it is interesting.
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I would not risk the 13 million.
We'll end up doing that, he will accept and the sox will be crying poor in the draft again.
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I'm still in the camp of offering Samardzija the qualifying offer.
Since Samardzija is interested in a long term contract, I think it's 90%/10% that he refuses the qualifier resulting in a compensation pick (overall #31-37?) if he signs with a team before next June's draft.
Failure to make the offer actually REWARDS Samardzija as his 'new' team wouldn't need to lose a pick to sign him. This could increase the number of teams interested in signing him driving up his price.
If Samardzija accepts the qualifier, there's a decent chance that his 2016 performance returns to near his career norm. That's what happened in Adam Dunn's second season with the White Sox after his disastrous first year. If Samardzija returns to his norm and the White Sox are again out of playoff contention, they can either move him near the trade deadline or offer him another qualifying offer for 2017.
If Samardzija still stinks in 2016, it was a bad g@mble but it wouldn't be the first time that the White Sox guessed wrong. It's not my money, so I'd roll the dice and make the qualifying offer that walk away in the next two months with nothing.
I do know one thing for certain if Samardzija isn't offered the QO and then signs with one of our division rivals or the team on the northside and then rebounds to his career norm or better, almost EVERY White Sox fan will be complaining about how he was let go for nothing.
Agreed
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who can possibly take his place
Well, Erik Johnson can possibly take his place. Look, I know the replacement pitcher will not be as good but again, when you have a FO who does not spend money on the big FA's and cannot draft a good hitter to save their lives, you have to sacrifice something somewhere to get what you need.
I'd rather keep Q, Sale and Rodon too but something has to give. This offense is horrific with no internal help in sight.
I just hate to trade one of the big 3, as we know our history of how our staff wrecks hitters after they arrive. I am not going to take that chance, rather lose my money in FA than trade a good pitcher for a guy we know will suck with us.
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I would not risk the 13 million.
We'll end up doing that, he will accept and the sox will be crying poor in the draft again.
Will not affect what we spend in the draft one iota. We have an assigned amount to spend and we will. We will cry about it when it is trade deadline, if we are in the running and need to add players for the stretch run.
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If he turns down the QO, does that mean that (with the compensation pick) we get additional slot $$ for the supplemental pick?
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Yeap. you get the $$$ mlb slots for that pick as well.
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Loveland and MSF will love this:
Chuck Garfien @ChuckGarfien
Most quality starts in American League in 2015:
Dallas Keuchel 24
David Price 23
Jose Quintana 22
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Most quality starts where the pitcher gives up 2 runs in the 1st
1) Quintana
2) no one gives a crap. see number 1.
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Q has started in 29 games this year... he has given up 25 ER in the first inning...
considering he has given up only 72 ER all year... that means over 35% of his runs are given up in the first inning.
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Love never answers posts about Q when he's on a roll. She waits until he flubs, and then comes out gunning.
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Actually Loveland only is able to read posts about once a week now. Q still mostly pitches just good enough to lose. My eyes tell me so.
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When did you start needing glasses? heh
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If we had an offense, giving up a run in the first wouldn't mean anything.
Offer Sam the QO. He isn't taking it. If he does, 13 mil for Sam is getting your money's worth if he pitches 200 innings and wins 12 games.
If he reverts to norm, you just got a 20 million dollar pitcher at a discount.
Sam will go elsewhere. Our rotation next year should be Sale, Rodon, Quintana, Johnson and Danks.
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I agree with that rotation.
Spend some money this offseason getting some offense without impacting the rotation or key bullpen guys (Robertson, Duke, Jones). 3B and C would be the two positions we just have to get someone decent. Saladino replace Ramirez I guess, unless we want to pay him one more year. I think Sanchez looks like a decent 2Bman this 2nd half.
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trade everyone. rebuild from scratch. burn the barn down.
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****, fold and start over as an expansion team. Only do that if we had all new ownership and Front Office.
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If we had an offense, giving up a run in the first wouldn't mean anything.
Offer Sam the QO. He isn't taking it. If he does, 13 mil for Sam is getting your money's worth if he pitches 200 innings and wins 12 games.
If he reverts to norm, you just got a 20 million dollar pitcher at a discount.
Sam will go elsewhere. Our rotation next year should be Sale, Rodon, Quintana, Johnson and Danks.
The QO for the 2016 season will be $16-17+ million, not $13M. It was $15.3M for this season and was $14.3M in 2014. Still, I'm a firm believer that NOT making the QO to Samardzija would be a foolish move as all 12 players who were offered the QO in 2015 rejected it. Since the newest CBA added the QO provision, 22 players have been offered the QO and ALL of the have rejected it.
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Good catch and info about the 12 players. What can it hurt.
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it can hurt in getting another year like this out of Sam for 15 million. thats money for another washed up old hitter that is going to turn this around.
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I have lost all faith in this team being able to turn it around. Until there is a significant change at the top of the management structure, we are going to flounder around, with an occasional 86-90 win season.
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I agree
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Until there is a significant change at the top of the management structure
I agree but I don't see anything significantly changing until there is a new owner. Getting Kenny out of the system will help, sure, but JR will just replace him with some other loyal puppy instead of going for the best baseball mind. :-\
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http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/rick-hahn-says-robin-ventura-will-return-white-sox-2016?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Ventura to be back in 2016.
Bench coach Mark Parent has been dismissed.
Baines will transition to a front-office role.
The rest of the staff will be in tact.
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Hawk only doing half the games next year:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/10/05/levine-hawk-harrelson-to-cut-back-to-81-game-broadcast-load/
Stoney & AJ for the other 81?
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4817/chris-davis
Maybe we can get this guy to be our new sinkhole.
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aging strike out prone power hitter?
SOLD!
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actually, he's only 29. We'll get him after his next 7 year contract.
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There's not a team in baseball that doesn't trade a Samardzija for an Addison Russell.
All day, every day...
As Billy Beane said at the time..."Congratulations...you just traded for Barry Larkin..."
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I agree
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Saw this posted on another site criticizing the lack of change in upper management with the Sox.
Couldn't agree more.
The fact that any of them still have a job while the entire Nats coaching staff got pink slips today is the real news...good to see that at least some MLB teams have standards, and practice accountability when the expected (winning) results are not delivered.
Jerry please sell
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But we won a World Series just 10 years ago!
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Can we just close this tread? everytime there is a post in this tread i think maybe KW has moved on... its never the case.
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... which is why I vote we keep this thread open. #Heh
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#Heh
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Just read a story on Keppinger from 2013, where he was rated the worst player in the MLB that year. Thinking of the Dunn and then LaRoche free agent signings that followed. Have we ever hit a home run on a free agent signing?
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Just read a story on Keppinger from 2013, where he was rated the worst player in the MLB that year. Thinking of the Dunn and then LaRoche free agent signings that followed. Have we ever hit a home run on a free agent signing?
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I meant an established free agent, who was expected to do well.
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I meant an established free agent, who was expected to do well.
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I meant an established free agent, who was expected to do well.
Jose Abreu aside, yes - you're right there.
I had to go back year by year and look... I would say Dye and AJP worked well.
But to have to go back over 10 years to find a single FA who made a positive impact... yeesh.
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Have we ever hit a home run on a free agent signing?
Since your original questions says "ever": Carlton Fisk.
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Would Albert Belle count as a home run of a signing?
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Was Luzinski a FA?
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Darren Jackson and Ellis Burks each were good for the 1 year we signed em for.
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Why is Hahn looking for a bench coach, shouldn't it be Ventura doing that???
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/155036244/white-sox-in-process-of-hiring-new-bench-coach
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Yes, I agree. Ventura should be the bench coach.
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Fisk was a home run, until he forgot this was baseball and started crying about everything.
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Why is Hahn looking for a bench coach, shouldn't it be Ventura doing that???
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/155036244/white-sox-in-process-of-hiring-new-bench-coach
'cause Hahn wants to make sure he has the 'right guy' to move in as interim manager when Robin Ventura is fired during the 2016 All-Star break.
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Why is Hahn looking for a bench coach, shouldn't it be Ventura doing that???
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/155036244/white-sox-in-process-of-hiring-new-bench-coach
'cause Hahn wants to make sure he has the 'right guy' to move in as interim manager when Robin Ventura is fired during the 2016 All-Star break.
That is about all I can make out of it.
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Yes, I agree. Ventura should be the bench coach.
Swoosh :D
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Saw this posted on another site criticizing the lack of change in upper management with the Sox.
Couldn't agree more.
The fact that any of them still have a job while the entire Nats coaching staff got pink slips today is the real news...good to see that at least some MLB teams have standards, and practice accountability when the expected (winning) results are not delivered.
Jerry please sell
A huge part of the Cubs success lies in the fact Theo
Brought in new scouts, talent evaluaters.
Revamped the minor league system to have a system/plan on how they want their players to develop.
We have Buddy Bell and the "Clown Show College" of how to play baseball.
Thompson could play and Salidino is at best but the rest they have brought up...................................................
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I would not exercise our option on Alexei and I would trade Quintana to the Red Sox for Henry Owens and Jackie Bradley.
Then I'd sign Justin Upton.
Nats have to trade Drew Storen, I'd send David Robertson their way for Storen and a prospect.
Finally, I wouldn't immediately release LaRoche, but if he sucks in April next year I'd cut my losses on him.
Sign Zobrist to play 3B, let Sanchez move over to SS and Micah play 2B.
Those moves would keep our payroll from growing much and give us more balance, IMO.
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The Nats would easily take Robertson for Storen even up without adding a prospect, in fact they would take less than Robertson. Its pretty well known here in the DC area that the Nats do not trust Storen as a closer in a big game. Storen blew game 5 in 2012 to the Cardinal in the NLDS, and then blew another save against the Giants in 2014 NLDS. That's why they got Papelbon who turned out to be a disaster. The have admitted both reliever will be gone next year.
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all of that sounds good. but no upton... and no zobrist.
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I do not want Upton, I do not care for either of the brothers. I would not trade Q (we need 3 quality starters). I would not move Sanchez to SS and have Micah at 2B (hurts 2 spots defensively).
The Storen idea has me a bit intrigued. I could care less about Alexei, but we do not have an everyday SS. Saladino and L Garcia would likely man it, that scares me. Sanchez might be able to play it (Saladino played it ahead of him in the minors) some. I would DH Micah, if he shows he can hit and I think he will, and cut LaRoche.
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Lets just hope the Blue Jays go after Kenny "always going for it" Williams. we desperately need the change at the top.
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Q is a loser.
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Lets just hope the Blue Jays go after Kenny "always going for it" Williams. we desperately need the change at the top.
That ship has sailed as the Blue Jays hired Mark Shapiro to replace the retiring Paul Beeston as President & CEO.
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http://www.tsn.ca/jays-gm-anthopoulos-leaving-team-1.384667
Toronto GM Anthopoulos is leaving.
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Hmmmmm
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http://www.tsn.ca/jays-gm-anthopoulos-leaving-team-1.384667
Toronto GM Anthopoulos is leaving.
Don't get your hopes up, Kenny isn't leaving for a GM position. A team president/CEO opportunity he'd be interested but leaving for another GM position is unlikely. Also, Jerry Reinsdorf isn't going to replace Rick Hahn with AA. Maybe another year or two of 4th/5th place finishes, you'll see a change but not right now.
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http://www.tsn.ca/jays-gm-anthopoulos-leaving-team-1.384667
Toronto GM Anthopoulos is leaving.
Don't get your hopes up, Kenny isn't leaving for a GM position. A team president/CEO opportunity he'd be interested but leaving for another GM position is unlikely. Also, Jerry Reinsdorf isn't going to replace Rick Hahn with AA. Maybe another year or two of 4th/5th place finishes, you'll see a change but not right now.
I agree 100%.
KW is not going to leave this org. for a demotion.
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White Sox decline $10 million option on shortstop Alexei Ramirez
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-option-alexei-ramirez-20151104-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-option-alexei-ramirez-20151104-story.html)
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Good I think. We could be hurting with a young one in there, maybe we have our eyes on a FA.
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But there are no good free agent shortstops this year. I would even prefer Alexie over Ian Desmond.
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Why do you guys still have this random hope of competing?
Lets just be comically bad and rebuild...
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Because the current management/owner team does not know how to do that. Until they are replaced, especially the owner, we are stuck in the current mode.
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They are not going to do a complete rebuild unless they plan to trade Sale and Abreu.
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The finest seasons are those when you expect they well be bad and they blew expectations out of the water.
At least we are set up for one of those.
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Rick Renteria set to be next White Sox bench coach
Former Cubs manager reportedly joining Ventura's staff on South Side
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/156909018/rick-renteria-hired-as-white-sox-bench-coach (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/156909018/rick-renteria-hired-as-white-sox-bench-coach)
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Good pickup IMO
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This is an excellent move. Would be a solid replacement for Ventura but should be good for the young guys and latinos.
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I agree, nice pickup.
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I think he will be an excellent replacement manager for a rebuilding team.
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It's now official. White Sox press release on the new coaching staff hires:
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Renteria, Sparks added to 2016 White Sox coaching staff
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/156909018/rick-renteria-hired-as-white-sox-bench-coach (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/156909018/rick-renteria-hired-as-white-sox-bench-coach)
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Just chiming in with my 2 cents worth. I don't want to see Quintana traded. Why? Because the staff is too overbalanced to the left side. It needs more balance. Its a pity they cant move John Danks. I even heard some other ridiculous BS, trading Quintana and signing Buehrle. No offense to Buehrle who I like but having a staff of 4 lefties and a 5th as a middle reliever (Danks) isn't what the staff needs.
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FWIW:
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/11/11/levine-white-sox-are-in-rebuilding-mode/
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Q is a lefty... so trading him and replacing him with a righty would help the balance issues.
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Does that mean we are selling on Robertson/Melky/Jose A as well?
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wishful, you realize Q is a lefty as well?
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White Sox agree to minor league deal with Hairston
CHICAGO (AP) -- The White Sox and veteran outfielder Scott Hairston have agreed to a minor league contract.
Hairston has not played in the major leagues since 2014, when he hit .208 in 61 games for the Washington Nationals. He is a career .242 hitter with 106 homers and 313 RBIs over 11 seasons with Arizona, San Diego, Oakland, the New York Mets, Chicago Cubs and Nationals.
The White Sox confirmed the move on Wednesday.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-agree-minor-league-deal-hairston-192038708--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-agree-minor-league-deal-hairston-192038708--mlb.html)
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We don't need a rebuild. Sanchez can play SS better defensively than Alexei, cheaper, and his offense surely won't be any worse than Alexei last year. Probably better.
You need Micah to show up offensively at 2B. Sign Zobrist for 3B with the understanding he might need to move to 2B.
Dangle Quintana. He has a ton of trade value and Johnson looks like he can handle the rotation. 3B or catcher, maybe both. Unless San Diego wants to send us Tyson Ross and Austin Hedges, that would also fill 2 spots.
I like that they are looking at trading Garcia. He has trade value as well. I would expect the Pirates to have some interest, and they are shopping Neil Walker.
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Seriously????
There are legit sox fans out there that dont think we need a full on rebuild?
Are we just looking to comepte for a playoff spot every 5 years... or is the goal to win a championship.
There is no hope for this roster to accomplish the latter of those two goals... we might sneak in the playoffs one of the next 5 years at this rate thought!! lucky us.
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White Sox hire Rowand as minor-league instructor
CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox have hired 2005 championship team center fielder Aaron Rowand as minor-league outfield and base-running instructor.
A fan favorite because of his aggressive play, which led to occasional collisions with the wall, he played five seasons with the White Sox and was a key figure on the team that won it all.
Rowand hit .283 during his time in Chicago before being dealt to Philadelphia with pitcher Gio Gonzalez for Jim Thome following the 2005 season. He hit .273 in an 11-year career with the White Sox, Phillies and San Francisco Giants. He was an All-Star with the Phillies in 2007 and helped San Francisco win a championship in 2010.
Rowand, who served as a guest minor-league instructor with the White Sox last spring, replaces Doug Sisson.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-hire-rowand-minor-league-instructor-203038842--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-hire-rowand-minor-league-instructor-203038842--mlb.html)
Also: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/157978288/aaron-rowand-hired-as-white-sox-instructor (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/157978288/aaron-rowand-hired-as-white-sox-instructor)
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WE ARE SAVED!!!!!
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ESPN report best trade partners for LA and Puig
2. Chicago White Sox
There were reports the other day that the White Sox would consider trading Avisail Garcia, which ... umm, I doubt anyone wants Garcia. But that report shows the White Sox believe Garcia isn't the long-term solution in right field. The White Sox finished next to last in the American League in walks and OBP, so Puig would provide some much-needed improvement there.
The guy the Dodgers would want: Jose Quintana, the most underrated starter in baseball. He has been worth 12.9 WAR over the past three seasons, hitting 200 innings each season. After giving up 23 home runs in 2013, he has allowed just 26 the past two seasons combined. Considering he also is signed through 2020 (including two team options) and is thus similar in value to Carrasco, I think the Dodgers would have to sweeten this pot as well, but they could trade from their depth and that's what the White Sox need.
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Argh. NO
Puig would wreck this team. we already have no leadership whatsoever and we are going to add a guy like that???
if they want to send over Puig for Garcia, lets do it.
Q needs to be sold for young Bats... lots of young bats... like a whole lineup worth.
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Dodgers can have Q. but we better get Seager.
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Well at least they agree with me that Avi Garcia is not a good building block.
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Problem is, so does the rest of the league. He is Viciedo part 2.
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The best thing he has going for him is that he looked like a miniature Miguel Cabrera, giving him the nickname "Mini Miggy" in Detroit.
Walk rate sucks... which is why I haven't ever really liked him.
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Problem is, so does the rest of the league. He is Viciedo part 2.
Oh, I never expected to get anything for him, I cannot stand him.
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Problem is, so does the rest of the league. He is Viciedo part 2.
more like Viciedo without the HRs. However, he is still young, only 24, and this year was his first full season in the majors.
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Great story. I think we have our 4/5 guy behind he the three lefties.
http://www.si.com/mlb/2015/11/24/erik-johnson-white-sox-pitcher-health
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That was surprisingly good. Thanks for posting.
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Thanks for posting that... very good read.
Hopefully this is a sign of good things to come from RJ.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/chw/roster/
On a humorous note, look for LaRoche on the roster.
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I think he did pitch one inning last year.
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He did... and he was more useful in that capacity than as a hitter.
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Flowers DFA's by the sox.. surprised by that as i really liked his defense... so who else plays C with Alex?
I think this also means we're "going for it" again this year.
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I'm shocked he had zero trade value?
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well he was non-tendered... so i guess we have 10 days to trade him...
but once you take that step he has very little trade value imo.... why not trade him before DFA'ing him?
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well he was non-tendered... so i guess we have 10 days to trade him...
but once you take that step he has very little trade value imo.... why not trade him before DFA'ing him?
Non-tendered means the team declined to offer him a contract for next season. Non-tendered players become free agents immediately. Not the same as designated for assignment. No ten-day window to make a trade.
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that is worse!
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I think Hahn realizes his job is in jeopardy and he's got to make some serious changes.
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I doubt he had much trade value, despite his ability to steal strikes.
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I'm a bit surprised that he was non-tendered. I thought we'd be in for a platoon.
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Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1h1 hour ago
Source: Free-agent catcher Dioner Navarro in agreement with #WhiteSox on a one-year contract, pending a physical.
Buster OlneyVerified account
@Buster_ESPN
Last year, Dioner Navarro posted an .894 OPS vs. lefties, so White Sox can work a platoon of he and the left-handed hitting Alex Avila.
Jon Heyman @JonHeymanCBS 1h1 hour ago
Navarro is a solid two-way catcher who lost job with Russell Martin signing last year in toronto #chisox
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Nice. Navarro/Avila is definitely an upgrade. Not claiming we will be any better yet, but it is a start.
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I don't think Flowers had any trade value. I'd expect he'll get nothing better than a minor-league contract with a invite to spring training.
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...and now the Sox have apparently re-signed Turner to a $1.5M contract.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/white-sox-to-re-sign-jacob-tuner.html
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Chris sale is due roughly 100 million less then ZG in the next 4 years... is significantly younger... and better.
Sale/anderson for Mookie + Xander + top 3 prospects in bosox system?
or does that sound like something SRwould mock?
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or does that sound like something SRwould mock?
Seriously? Okay. Tell me, did you really think that trade proposal for Chris Sale was in the ballpark of realistic?
Not sure why the need for the attitude. We've disagreed on the subject of the cubs but I thought it was a pretty civil discussion for the most part. I never directed any ridicule at you, at least not intentionally. And if I did so -- unintentionally -- then I apologize. I guess I'll try to watch what I say.
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it was meant as a compliment... i though my trade idea was cub fanesque in a return for sale... mookie and xander are both all-star lvl players at this point...
add in their 3 top prospects and its just a crazy deal.
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Obviously my suppositions that the cubs have a decent team is hitting some nerves and fraying some anger!
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it was meant as a compliment
Well then once again I apologize. ;D ;D
Obviously my suppositions that the cubs have a decent team is hitting some nerves and fraying some anger!
No, but I thought you were p'd off at me for my cubs stance and mocking me with that remark.
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Not one bit...
I just REALLY want the sox to rebuild... and rob some team blind for sale.. Redsox seem to really fit the mold of being that team.
Although with Dodgers losing ZG they might want to step up and be the chump...
Sale for Seager and Urais + would get it done for me...
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and rob some team blind for sale.
It would hurt to lose Sale but I would be on board as long as the Sox come out as such grossly lopsided winners that it's laughable that another team even made the deal.
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Obviously my suppositions that the cubs have a decent team is hitting some nerves
And by the way, I've stated more than once that I think the cubs are a very good team. I just think they have some flaws, like all teams, and am aggravated that the flaws are kind of dismissed by most fans and media and no one dares criticize the great Theo or Joe Maddon (no mention from anyone about Maddon riding Arrietta kind of hard in the 2nd half where he ultimately had a tired arm in the playoffs? If that were Dusty Baker there'd be all kinds of remarks about how he kills pitchers!).
Not trying to start another cubs argument, just wanted to state for the record ONCE AGAIN that I'm not completely irrational about the cubs. I think they are a very good team. Ugh, I hate that I am forced to keep saying that to prove I'm not totally ragging on them. :D
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Not one bit...
I just REALLY want the sox to rebuild... and rob some team blind for sale.. Redsox seem to really fit the mold of being that team.
Although with Dodgers losing ZG they might want to step up and be the chump...
Sale for Seager and Urais + would get it done for me...
Q for Seager.
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Kenny Williams has started haunting my dreams. Wife says last night after taking ambien, i cussed KW out to her... she thought it was a work associate and played along. today she asked me who this KW is, that i was really upset about him last night and i need to resolve my work conflicts better.
KW is haunting my sub-conscious now... he has become my spider.
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Let me help you rid your mind of KW.
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You're welcome.
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that was a horrible chapter.
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heh
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154573122948298&substory_index=0&id=45484098297
So I enjoyed almost all these comments to the Sox scoreboard post on Facebook today. I remember when our little site used to hold such wit. Where oh where have all you funny people gone.
Jeter, rip.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154573122948298&substory_index=0&id=45484098297
So I enjoyed almost all these comments to the Sox scoreboard post on Facebook today. I remember when our little site used to hold such wit. Where oh where have all you funny people gone.
Jeter, rip.
We are adults now, heh
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A 2 year old saps wit out of you and replaces it with humility.
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Ha
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White Sox claim outfielder Daniel Fields off waivers
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-daniel-fields-waivers-20160107-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-daniel-fields-waivers-20160107-story.html)
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/01/white-sox-claim-daniel-fields-dodgers-waivers.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/01/white-sox-claim-daniel-fields-dodgers-waivers.html)
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So I enjoyed almost all these comments to the Sox scoreboard post on Facebook today. Jeter, rip.
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If you enjoyed those comments, you'll love what soxtalk has turned into.
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Oh stop. There were a couple amusing ones in there, as opposed to the general void of comments here. Y'all do seem to be getting better though.
in other news, after getting back into the payments business 2 years ago the office has been closed. Loveland is now a remote employee, no more cummute!
Being home again is going to drive me insane.
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BlackSox was working from home every day for the past 4 months. It was great. Saved a decent amount of money on gas & tolls; better yet, got an hour and a half of my day back by not commuting. That all changed -- now only working at home two days a week.
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Oh stop. There were a couple amusing ones in there
Okay, there was this:
Javier Deltoro
I'm ready to get hammered
Like · Reply · Report · Jan 5 at 8:21pm
And maybe this:
Tim Franz
Should have done this last year when they didn't use the scoreboard until mid-June.
Like · 5 · Reply · Report · Jan 5 at 3:41pm
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Yes. The scoreboard not being used. That was one of them. Hah. Still funny
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I have not been out there since they moved from Tucson.
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"What's Willie Harris' problem?"
"He's Willie Harris!"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-willie-harris-rejoins-white-sox-20160119-story.html
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2016 Spring Training Uni's:
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fugly
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I'm watching SoxFest on CSN, and the music they are playing while introducing the players is the worst piece of crap I have ever heard. It makes that Coldplay song they played before this sound like Mozart.
I'm guessing this is what they play at Guantanamo Bay to torture the inmates.
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heh
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I'm guessing this is what they play at Guantanamo Bay to torture the inmates.
Loveland will be pleased
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Only if they are Cubs fans.
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1328760/white-sox-projected-win-90-games-division-usa-today
USA Today is drinking the Kool-Aid.
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http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/02/16/pecota-projects-cubs-for-92-wins-white-sox-for-82-victories/
PECOTA has us at 82 wins.
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I want what the USA Today is smoking!!
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Everything has to go right for the Sox to win 90 games. Don't see that happening. PECOTA is more in line with where they should end up. As such, I'm having a hard time mustering up some excitement for this season. They should be better than last year, sure, but so far I'm just not into it. Don't even care that spring training starts up in a few days. Normally I'm counting down the hours at this point. Just don't have it yet.
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just about exactly how I felt before 2005.
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For me, it's probably just a reflection of how bad Illinois basketball has been, but I am very, VERY excited for baseball to start this year. Looking at the Sox roster, it's easy to see weaknesses offensively at RF and SS, but I think I'd rather roll with what they have than giving up draft picks to get someone likely Fowler or Desmond. If the Sox are competitive at the trading deadline, then make a move at that time to upgrade one or both of those positions. I think either Saladino or Garcia or both is/are going to surprise this year with significantly better results than last year. If that happens, I do think the Sox can be competitive. I think their pitching staff is as good as anyone else in the division. They just need to play solid defense and score a few runs (something they were horrible at last year.)
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Also shaking my head at USA Today picking the Royals in last??
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For me, it's probably just a reflection of how bad Illinois basketball has been, but I am very, VERY excited for baseball to start this year. Looking at the Sox roster, it's easy to see weaknesses offensively at RF and SS, but I think I'd rather roll with what they have than giving up draft picks to get someone likely Fowler or Desmond. If the Sox are competitive at the trading deadline, then make a move at that time to upgrade one or both of those positions. I think either Saladino or Garcia or both is/are going to surprise this year with significantly better results than last year. If that happens, I do think the Sox can be competitive. I think their pitching staff is as good as anyone else in the division. They just need to play solid defense and score a few runs (something they were horrible at last year.)
Yeah, what a disappointing season once again for the Illini.
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Heh, Illini sports are so bad, they make the White Sox look promising.
Hell, I got some of that USA Today smoke. Sox win the division this year. Everything does go right.
... until the ALDS, when we get swept.
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Well, they are hiring a really solid young AD today. Whitman is one sharp dude, especially for an ex-FB player. The Chicago paper (Shannon Ryan) trying to make it look like a real fiasco. They tried hard for Rich George (now AD at Colorado), spent some time trying to get Tiley (Australia Tennis CEO) so Whitman considered #1. Many on the Illini board wanted Whitman badly, I think he will be good. It is the people above him at the UI that are clueless.
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Heh, Illini sports are so bad, they make the White Sox look promising.
Hell, I got some of that USA Today smoke. Sox win the division this year. Everything does go right.
... until the ALDS, when we get swept.
Can you smell what Blacksox is smoking!!! heh
Yep, think I might have found what the USA Today was having.
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It would really help my excitement level if the Sox can get out of the gate strong. A 10-2 start would be nice. ;D
At this point a winning April would be a nice change from the last however many years.
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I'm excited. Baseball is fun precisely because you never know. I expect to be better than expected and would rather be underestimated.
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http://www.redreporter.com/2016/2/24/11105214/pennant-chasers-basement-dwellers-the-weird-world-of-the-2016-white
The opening paragraph is pretty spot-on:
Here's the thing about the Chicago White Sox: they could possess 2016's MVP, Home Run Derby champion and Cy Young winner, and they could lose 90 games. At the same time.
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http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14843608/white-sox-vice-chairman-broadcasting-pioneer-eddie-einhorn-dead-age-80
Eddie Einhorn - he gone.
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http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/02/25/jimmy-rolllins-anytime-a-tall-guy-chooses-a-short-guy-to-be-the-hero-is-pretty-awesome/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs
Rollins was apparently Tim Anderson's idol growing up.
Mentor'd.
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/two-comps-for-two-views-of-carlos-rodon/
Interesting read on Rodon and his pitch movement / velocity / type. A few takeaways:
1) Rodon's slider gained more vertical movement and velocity as the season went on. By the end of the season, his slider looked extremely similar to that of Clayton Kershaw in both velocity and movement.
2) Rodon's closest comparison by overall arsenal is that of Francisco Liriano. Plus slider, accompanied by a fastball and changeup. Movement / velocity and effectiveness of the pitches is around the same. Also struggles with walks.
3) If Rodon can improve his changeup (which we've discussed in the past), he could be an extremely productive pitcher.
4) Rodon is the "x-factor" on the Sox this year. He could be the difference between a mediocre season and a playoff-bound season.
I'm half wondering if adding a cutter would improve his effectiveness... something with straight horizontal movement that would help complement his increasingly vertical slider could take him to the next level. That, and the ability to cut down on walks, would be huge.
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He is a good one
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he words spewed out of center fielder Austin Jackson’s mouth nearly the moment he scribbled his name on his Chicago White Sox contract last week.
“This is great,’’ Jackson told White Sox executive vice president Ken Williams. “Now, I don’t have to face Chris (expletive) Sale anymore.’’
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/bob-nightengale/2016/03/13/mlb-white-sox-contend-in-al-central-chris-sale/81737174/
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The Sox are 2 over .500 for the first time in three years. And there was much rejoicing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yciX2meIkXI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yciX2meIkXI)
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The Nats are showing a significant improvement in the baserunning/stealing area and Dusty Baker credits this to Davey Lopes
]The Nationals’ hiring of Davey Lopes has already begun to pay dividends, writes James Wagner of the Washington Post. New manager Dusty Baker came to the Nats with the goal of making the club more aggressive on the basepaths and improving the club’s stolen base numbers and overall running efficiency. Lopes has already been working with Bryce Harper to improve his stolen base acumen in an effort to punish opponents who pitch around him. “There’s something you can take advantage of [every opponent],” Baker tells Wagner. “And Davey Lopes is the best at picking that up. He’s the best. Davey sees things that very few people see [in] the young players. He’s been around a long time. He was one of the best at his craft when he was playing. So coaching does come into play.”
Wasn't this what Vince Coleman was hired to do for us? Does he still work for us?
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No, Coleman is not still here. He did a **** poor job.
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No, Coleman is not still here. He did a **** poor job.
Are you sure?
Got a link showing he's gone?
He's still listed as the "Major and Minor League Baserunning Instructor" on the White Sox website:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/roster/coaches/
...and here's a link to an ESPN interview from last month stating Vince Coleman works as a baserunning coach for the White Sox:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/68743/where-have-all-the-stolen-bases-gone
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I am sorry, I should have known to check and not just go off what I read in a post on SoxTalk. My bad, sorry guys.
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Due to the bullpen pitching 8 2/3 inning last night the White Sox have decided they need a 'fresh' arm in the bullpen for tonight's game. So J.B. Shuck has been optioned to Charlotte and Erik Johnson (who was scheduled to start tonight for Charlotte) has been recalled to the major league team:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/173157114/white-sox-to-bring-in-bullpen-reinforcements
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/roster/transactions
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Alex Avila to the 15-day DL with a strained right hamstring. Catcher Kevan Smith promoted from Charlotte to take his place on the active roster. Smith was already on the 40-man roster so there are still three open slots as the 40-man roster sits at 37 players.
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/174083850/alex-avila-on-dl-with-hamstring-injury
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One of those open slots was taken up by this dude:
The White Sox have recalled right-hander Miguel Gonzalez from Triple-A and optioned righty Erik Johnson in a corresponding move, tweets Scott Gregor of the Daily Herald. Gonzalez will start for the White Sox on Monday in Toronto. Gonzalez joined the Sox as a free agent earlier this month after the Orioles unexpectedly released him.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/04/minor-mlb-transactions-42416.html
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I guess he has a great record against the Blue Jays, whom we happen to play, heh.
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One of those open slots was taken up by this dude:
The White Sox have recalled right-hander Miguel Gonzalez from Triple-A and optioned righty Erik Johnson in a corresponding move, tweets Scott Gregor of the Daily Herald. Gonzalez will start for the White Sox on Monday in Toronto. Gonzalez joined the Sox as a free agent earlier this month after the Orioles unexpectedly released him.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/04/minor-mlb-transactions-42416.html
....and I'm guessing one roster spot is being saved for Carson Fulmer if they decided he's ready to move up to the majors later this season.
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He had a real nice start last night I believe.
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I guess he has a great record against the Blue Jays, whom we happen to play, heh.
And, IIRC, the Blue Jays usually cream lefties. Interesting move. Guess it also serves as an audition for the 5th starter role.
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....and I'm guessing one roster spot is being saved for Carson Fulmer if they decided he's ready to move up to the majors later this season.
And the other spot for my guy Coats.
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http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/
Baseball Prospectus gives The Beloved a 64.5% chance of making the playoffs as of today. They love Cleveland for some reason, so let's take these predictions with a grain of salt.
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Great column on the Beloved - a rarity for the Jockey:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-waiting-on-john-danks--white-sox-20160425-column.html
Things are finally looking up on the South Side, and maybe the best part is the Sox are willing to audible, even when it comes to changing the roles of established players.
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Danks DFA'd. EJ to start in his place this week.
Wow, it truly is a proverbial new day.
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This is surprising, but much needed.
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Danks DFA'd. EJ to start in his place this week.
Wow, it truly is a proverbial new day.
Most excellent
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Thought he would be sent to the bullpen.
EJ up for good now?
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needed to be done. No spot in pen for him - who would you cut?
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Maybe Petricka.
Surprised loyalty didn't trump practicality.
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Can't see Danks in the pen, guess others have done it. Petricka can be cut at anytime, even Putnam is better than him.
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I would have liked to see Danks get one more start against Boston, who hits terribly against LHers. I think Danks would have a higher probability of success against Boston than EJ. I wish Danks would have accepted a minor league stint. If he were locating his pitches better, he could be effective. There is no way for him to be effective if he keeps falling behind the batters in the count.
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I have a lot of nostalgia towards Danks... but i'm glad that mistake has been realized and moved off the team.
It seems we are growing in that regard.
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I can't believe that J Sands is our DH. All he does is strike out or hit singles. Davidson might suck, but will now and then hit an accidental home run.
Jeesh, 3 hits against Clay B.
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You got a hard on for Sands eh? Yeah, I was not happy when we kept him out of ST. But the guy I wanted sucks in AAA, so does the guy you want. What makes it worse, Sands is really a bad defender, at 1B he almost cost us a game and he is no better in the OF. Too bad Coats got hurt, not sure when he is going to be ready. One would think there is a decent OF out on the pavement looking for work, one who could play a tad of 1B as well.
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I'm not sure where you're getting this "Sands has no power" thing from, Juan. Power is about the only thing he has going for him.
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OK, maybe it's the strikeouts with Sands, 34 at bats, 17 K's, 8 singles, and 1 HR
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Yeah, he was highly regarded as a power hitting prospect with the Dodgers at one point.
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He fit in with the OF prospects we have for the most part, a lot of whiffing and some power. Was hoping Coats, Engel and a couple others would change that. Engel is really struggling as is Eddy Alvarez (the SS who was an Olympian) at Birmingham.
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Jake Petricka to the 15-day DL with an alleged right-hip impingement. This move is retroactive to May 2nd. Taking Petricka's spot on the 25-man roster is Tommy Kahnle who was recalled from the Charlotte Knights.
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/roster/transactions
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Lets hope we have seen the last of Petricka. Kahnle could be the answer or we find someone. Should be able to improve that bullpen slot.
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Kahnle has control problems, always has. Hate that in a reliever.
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I have not looked much into his past, was hoping Cooper could set him straight. Well, then I guess we look on the scrap heap, we have no relievers in the minors ready to contribute. They better not bring up Ynoa.
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If Fulmer continues to do well in the minors, I wouldn't be surprised if he was brought up in June.
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I think he needs to actually do well in the minors before he can "continue to do well in the minors"... heh...
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Fulmer has had three consecutive very good starts
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Yep, he is coming along very nicely
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File this under "something to read."
http://www.si.com/fantasy/2016/05/09/fantasy-baseball-jose-quintana-chicago-white-sox
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/white-sox-s-lights-out-bullpen-driving-force-behind-great-start-180945254.html
Bullpen = good.
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Yankees are shopping andrew miller. i would love to add him to the guys we have right now.
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Your new bullpen arm: Matt Puke... er, Purke. Minor league free agent signing last winter. Had a good ERA but bad WHIP @ Charlotte. High walk rate... yay.
http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20160513&content_id=177899166&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t494&sid=t494
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He was considered a top 3 pick in the draft when he was drafted. Had shoulder surgery in minors. He and Renauldo are both former top 10 picks in the draft. See if Cooper can do anything here.
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Avi has been getting too much of the blame. Not saying he's that good, but he's got a better OPS than Abreu, and only one less homer with 75 less at bats. Jose has been a bigger problem for us this year.
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Jerry Sands: he gone.
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Hopefully Hahn has Latos on a short leash.
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cut Latos now.
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Can't remember the last time the Sox were so aggressive in cutting dead weight:
whitesoxdave @barstoolWSD 1h1 hour ago Chicago, IL
Just confirmed Tim Anderson has been called up
whitesoxdave @barstoolWSD 1h1 hour ago Chicago, IL
Still waiting on 100% confirmation of what's happening with Rollins, but Anderson has gotten the call #WhiteSox
Brian Bilek @BrianBilek_ 4m4 minutes ago
@JonHeyman it's done deal. Rollins packed his stuff yesterday. Anderson in Chicago today. @barstoolWSD
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And The Purge continues.
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Wow.
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Does this leave a slight crack in the door open for a Duck Dynasty wannabe return? Rumors were that Jimmy Rollins was the player that went and complained to Kenny Williams about Drake's constant presence around the team in spring training.
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Well I'll say this. The ship might be going down but Hahn is doing what he can to try to save it at least. Although he did kind of put the team in this position in the first place by signing guys like Rollins and keeping Garcia when there were bigger bats available in the offseason.
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Well I'll say this. The ship might be going down but Hahn is doing what he can to try to save it at least. Although he did kind of put the team in this position in the first place by signing guys like Rollins and keeping Garcia when there were bigger bats available in the offseason.
Not knowing until March that he was free from paying Adam Laroche $13 million surely hindered Hahn's ability to sign a big bat this off-season.
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According to Dan Hayes of CSN, Jake Petricka and Daniel Webb had season ending surgeries. Tommy John surgery for Webb. Austin Jackson will have surgery on his meniscus. Rick Hahn said he's out a minimum of six weeks but no official timeline.
https://twitter.com/CSNHayes
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We may very well end up regretting the Frazier trade
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/dodger-report/post/_/id/20037/trayce-thompson-klays-little-brother-is-making-a-name-for-himself
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I have kept waiting for him to fall apart and he has not. You could be correct, hopefully not.
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We may very well end up regretting the Frazier trade
Unless we end up giving away Frazier away for nothing, that's still a trade I'd make any day. Did you really want another year of Conor Gillaspie/Gordon Beckham at third base? Or wait for Matt Davidson to try to amount to a major league player? We finally have a reliable third basemen.
And we also have no idea if Thompson would have fared as well here.
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Frazier has been a disappointment, what's he hitting? .213? That's Dunn/LaRoache territory.. Everyone we get suddenly can't hit, look at Lawrie.
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My bad, just looked at the boxscore - Frazier .211
Lawrie .235
unfrickingbelievable
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We had some idea about Thompson playing this well as he played almost as well for us last season.
In 263 mlb at bats 15 homers, 39 rbi's, .285 BA, .361 OBP, .900 OPS
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-could-a-j-pierzynski-return-as-white-sox-manager-20160613-column.html
Would make things entertaining.
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Oh jeez. How about hiring someone with actual qualifications?
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Incidentally, my mother passed away on May 9th.
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Sorry for your loss Joe.
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Incidentally, my mother passed away on May 9th.
My condolences Joey.
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My condolences as well.
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Sorry for your loss Joey.
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You'll always miss your mother...
Sorry
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Thank you... and sorry for bringing the thread down.
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You did not bring us down, we have all been thru it most likely. Good to bring it up actually.
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Yeah, thanks... cancer is a horrible disease. This was her third unique form of cancer, which is basically unprecedented. She exercised regularly (6X / week), was a very healthy eater, and was mentally and physically very active. Sometimes you can do all of the right things, but you can't win against a stacked deck.
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Sox are 9 game back of Cleveland now... if we are 5 back by end of this month, White flag 2?
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Sox are 9 game back of Cleveland now... if we are 5 back by end of this month, White flag 2?
No. You don't have to win the division to make the playoffs. 19 years ago when the infamous 'White Flag Trade' took place there was only one wild card team in both leagues. Two wild cards from each league team make postseason play now. Back then the White Sox were crucified by the Chicago media for 'giving up' on the season. I expect the same would happen again if they're 5 back of the division this year at the end of July and unload vets for prospects.
"Backing up the truck" for anything less than 10 games out of the second Wild Card with 5 teams ahead of them in the wild card race would be a PR disaster for them this season. Their TV ratings would tank. All Chicago media - TV, newspapers, and sports talk radio - (especially their old radio outlet which now broadcasts the Cubs) would ridicule them again. Attendance would plummet with virtually no walk up sales for the rest of the season. Winter sale of tickets for the 2017 season would drop considerably from 2016 levels too. Especially with the team on the nort'side doing so well.
I know you'd like for them to 'back up the truck', probably a symptom of your fantasy league involvement. You also live over 1,000 miles away from U.S. Cellular Field and don't live in one of their TV/radio markets so you put NO MONEY directly into White Sox revenues. You also don't have to live with the media fallout over another White Flag trade. As a White Sox fan and Chicago area resident, I'm more interested in them, in the next few months, firing KW +/or RV then in trading away Sale, Quintana or Melky.
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Sox send Rodon to DL with wrist sprain, recall Kahnle
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/188876154/carlos-rodon-wrist-injury-on-disabled-list/
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Jose Quintana added to the A.L. All-Star roster.
Quick somebody buy a Quintana All-Star jersey for aka Loveland. ;D ;D
http://www.redeyechicago.com/ct-white-sox-jose-quintana-all-star-20160710-story.html
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/189069278/jose-quintana-added-to-al-all-star-team/
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When does it arrive?
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Does anyone look good in brown and yellow?
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Love might. :-)
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Does anyone look good in brown and yellow?
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Those boots are horrible
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http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/07/22/revisiting-the-trades-of-rick-hahn/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Looking back at Hahn's trades
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Fullmer & Turner on roster but Ranaudo sent down?
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I do not get that at all. Especially Turner.
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The Yankees got Dillion Tate for 39 year old Carlos Beltran.
White Sox Management.... moved zack duke.... wow. just wow.
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Dillon Tate is not as highly thought of as he was. He is struggling.
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did not realize he'd had this bad of a year... before season started he was top 50ish....
Point still holds... we did NADA
The Rays got a killing for Moore and a ton of relivers were traded for young talent, we sat on our hands to half ass compete again next year.
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We knew what we wanted in the larger trades and the other teams would not give in. Glad we did not give in. Hold firm on what you want, if do not get it, try to someway somehow pick up some bats in the offseason and improve the pen. I would love to keep our 5 starters in place (yes, even Shields and Miguel)
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Oh stop it Method, at least we'll have Q. He's going to start posting some Ws next year. Really!
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agree with msf. Our pen is really bad & our hitting sucks, but the starting pitching is really good.
These idiots who want to trade without getting full value are just plain nuts.
idiots say we have to follow what the cubs did, but the cubs never traded any all star quality players. Their best player was Castro & they kept him until he played himself off the team last year & eventually got nothing for him last winter. Their best pitcher was Jeff S. & they tried to keep him until it was obvious he was going to test free agency come hell or high water.
All they did was trade some of their garbage & not dive into free agency until the team was ready to compete.
they never traded a Sale or a Q. And they never would have.
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All they did was trade some of their garbage
But they were lucky to hit big on the some of the garbage they traded (Scott Feldman to the Orioles for Arrieta and Strop, and Jeff S and Hammel for Russell and McKinney, for example).
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The Charlie Tilson era has begun:
Tilson to get ample opportunities with White Sox
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | @scottmerkin | August 1st, 2016
CHICAGO -- Charlie Tilson, the local product from Wilmette, Ill., and New Trier High School who was acquired by the White Sox from St. Louis in the Zach Duke trade on Sunday, will join the big league team on Tuesday in Detroit.
General manager Rick Hahn made the announcement Monday on a conference call after the 3 p.m. CT non-waiver Trade Deadline, adding that Tilson can play all three outfield spots but will get most of his playing time in center.
"Tilson is an interesting kid," said Hahn of his newest outfielder, who played several years ago on one of the organization's Area Code teams for Nathan Durst, one of the organization's scouts. "High character kid, plus-speed, solid defense, very good bat-to-ball skills.
read more: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/193047814/white-sox-call-up-outfielder-charlie-tilson/
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He does not have a good arm. Other than that I like him and want to see him get a chance. In high school he could hit with power, so maybe some day that will come although I guess with his swing it might not, he chops at the ball a lot. He could be like Eaton someday without the arm.
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Oh stop it Method, at least we'll have Q. He's going to start posting some Ws next year. Really!
I'm still waiting for you to explain how a lack of run support is Q's fault.
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I have no ecplanation for it. It is an intangible not visible in any stat but the win/lose record. However it is often the case that when he gets run support he often gives up 6 runs. It may be partly mental on his part.
For the record I do not think he should be traded just to do it. If the rest of MLB is not willing to pony up keep him until they are.
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It sounds to me like Hahn has him valued as a #1, so if someone wants to give us that value for him...go ahead.
What will Tilson's number be?
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No uniform number listed yet for Tilson at whitesox.com. I'm guessing they'll give him a low prime number (#7) since it's been available since Jimmy Rollins was released.
Nice to read Charlie Tilson grew up a diehard White Sox fan:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/winnetka/sports/ct-gln-charlie-tilson-chicago-white-sox-outfielder-tl-0801-20160802-story.html
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I guessed wrong as the White Sox tweeted Charlie Tilson will wear uniform number 24. Hope he does better than the last two guys (Mike Olt & Dayán Viciedo) who wore that number for the White Sox.
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All they did was trade some of their garbage
But they were lucky to hit big on the some of the garbage they traded (Scott Feldman to the Orioles for Arrieta and Strop, and Jeff S and Hammel for Russell and McKinney, for example).
That's what great scouting will do for you.
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agree with msf. Our pen is really bad & our hitting sucks, but the starting pitching is really good.
These idiots who want to trade without getting full value are just plain nuts.
idiots say we have to follow what the cubs did, but the cubs never traded any all star quality players. Their best player was Castro & they kept him until he played himself off the team last year & eventually got nothing for him last winter. Their best pitcher was Jeff S. & they tried to keep him until it was obvious he was going to test free agency come hell or high water.
All they did was trade some of their garbage & not dive into free agency until the team was ready to compete.
they never traded a Sale or a Q. And they never would have.
No one is calling for us to give away Sale or Q, but we need 8 new position players on this team. only way we are going to get that done is to rebuild the entire org from bottom up.
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and prospects are just prospects, most of the highly rated ones don't make it.
Sox problem has been idiotic drafting - Mitchell, Barnum, Hawkins, Walker etc. Fixing that is imperative, trading away all star talent isn't.
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Bad drafting and lack of effort in the Caribbean. Why not go nuts in the Caribbean and take the meaningless penalty. Cubs did, just traded one of their gets for Chapman. Red Sox did, that is how they got Moncada.
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I have no ecplanation for it. It is an intangible not visible in any stat but the win/lose record. However it is often the case that when he gets run support he often gives up 6 runs.
Starts in which the offense has scored 3+ runs for him in 2016: 12.
Number of times he's given up 2 or more runs in those 3+ run starts: 2.
Note - I'm counting all runs attributed to Quintana - both earned and unearned.
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Just good enough to lose....
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He's given up 2 or more runs in 2 games (out of 12) in which his team has scored 3 or more runs.
That's good enough to win 10 times out of 12.
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facts don't matter to Love when it comes to Q. give it up.
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That's good enough to win 10 times out of 12.
Not with this bullpen!
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Tilson sustains season-ending injury in debut
Newly acquired outfielder to undergo surgery on torn hamstring
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/193216372/white-sox-charlie-tilson-makes-mlb-debut/
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Great start for All Star Chris Sale, too bad we have no one that hit a baseball to help him out.
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Jim Bowden on ESPN insider ranked all the GM's during the trading deadline.
He ranked Rick Hahn last
30. Chicago White Sox
GM: Rick Hahn
Grade: F
Analysis: The White Sox had a chance to headline the deadline by rebuilding in a 24-hour period like the Yankees did, but decided to hold on to Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, Dave Robertson, Todd Frazier and Melky Cabrera. They had long conversations with many teams, but in the end never had the offers they liked enough to become huge sellers. This organization has been treading water for a long time, and that approach will continue. Look for them to shift gears and be the stars of the winter meetings come December, when they'll still have the same pieces to trade.
And Method, don't make excuses for Sale's two starts after the break, he pitched bad enough to just lose.
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Exactly. Lets trade the all-stars that just do enough to lose. Along with all of management.
I'll be your age before we win again.
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Thank goodness we won one in 2005, not sure I see one in the next 10 years if JR hangs around.
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facts don't matter to Love when it comes to Q. give it up.
Fact: We don't win many games Q starts. Do you feel confident that we are going to win or do you wait for the proverbial shoe to drop when he pitches? Quote all the stats you want but the last time I checked the object is to win games.
Let me know though when they pass him right onto the WS roster because of all those other stats.
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Right. But baseball is a team sport. A pitcher has an impact on 1/2 of the outcome. His objective toward winning is to limit the other team from scoring.
I'm still waiting for you to explain to me what he is supposed to do beyond "win games."
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I keep having to repeat myself....for years now. If he's not going to win games here get something for him!
As to what he can do, start by never walking in a run again. With his White Sox karma he can't afford it.
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Appears he did just enough to win today...
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heh
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Appears he did just enough to win today...
Did he? or did Zimmerman do enough to lose? Lets not give credit where it isnt due. he'd have lost if we put up our normal offensive performance.
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Lets say this all together now.
full out rebuild! full out rebuild! fire the entire management staff! Make the Wsox great again!
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Not while JR holds the keys. I would rather wait 10 years.
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full out rebuild! full out rebuild!
I think people see the Cubs and think every rebuild will turn out the same way. Not all prospects turn into Kris Bryant or Kyle Schwarber. The Cubs scouting has been very good, no doubt, but they've also gotten pretty lucky that almost all of their kids have turned into good to great major leaguers. That's not often the case.
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full out rebuild! full out rebuild!
I think people see the Cubs and think every rebuild will turn out the same way. Not all prospects turn into Kris Bryant or Kyle Schwarber. The Cubs scouting has been very good, no doubt, but they've also gotten pretty lucky that almost all of their kids have turned into good to great major leaguers. That's not often the case.
Who is looking at the cubs? they have no pitching after next year. I'm looking at the Astros.
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full out rebuild! full out rebuild!
I think people see the Cubs and think every rebuild will turn out the same way. Not all prospects turn into Kris Bryant or Kyle Schwarber. The Cubs scouting has been very good, no doubt, but they've also gotten pretty lucky that almost all of their kids have turned into good to great major leaguers. That's not often the case.
...or maybe the Epstein regime is just good at knowing who will make it and who won't. That's one of the central ideas of the statheads - trying to identify what stats translate the best from college / minors to the big leagues, and using that information to help supplement the "eye test" of scouts. Look at the Red Sox roster now. Of their 9 position players / DH, all but 3 (Hanley Ramirez, Pedroia, and Ortiz) were drafted by the Epstein regime. Of those 3, Ortiz was picked up as a free agent on the cheap by Epstein before he ever became a star.
Say what you will, but whatever he does, Epstein knows how to pick 'em.
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Who is looking at the cubs? they have no pitching after next year. I'm looking at the Astros.
The Cubs are MLB's dream team this year so I'd imagine "most" people look at the cubs as the model of rebuilds. The Astros, yes, have a built a solid team but they're not steamrolling to a division title like the cubs.
Say what you will, but whatever he does, Epstein knows how to pick 'em
They are definitely good at their jobs, no denying that.
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Say what you will, but whatever he does, Epstein knows how to pick 'em
There's no question that Epstein has had a great run of luck/skill in his Rule 4 Draft picks and international free agent signings. His one subpar/average has been signing Major League free agents.
I still look back at his ridiculous signing of Bobby Jenks after the White Sox decided to non-tender him after the 2010 season. Jenks got hurt in late August/early September and didn't pitch the rest of the 2010 season for the White Sox. Jenks' numbers also had gotten worse just about every season he was with the White Sox. His 2010 ERA skyrocketed to 4.44 with an ERA+ of 97. Consensus around baseball was that Jenks would have to sign a low value 2011 contract with plenty of incentives as his heath concerns and diminishing performance didn't help his cause. Instead Epstein signed Jenks to a 2-year/ $12 million contract which ended up to be a HUGE mistake as Jenks only pitched a total of 15 2/3 innings in 2011 and zero innings in 2012 before the Red Sox released him in July of 2012. That's over $750,000 per inning pitched as a Red Sox. One of the WORST free agent signings in the history of MLB. Now there have been plenty of bad free agent signings, especially by the White Sox, but the Jenks $12 million signing by Epstein was especially bad considering all the red flags (recent declining performance and health concerns) that were evident before his signing.
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Say what you will, but whatever he does, Epstein knows how to pick 'em
There's no question that Epstein has had a great run of luck/skill in his Rule 4 Draft picks and international free agent signings. His one subpar/average has been signing Major League free agents.
I still look back at his ridiculous signing of Bobby Jenks after the White Sox decided to non-tender him after the 2010 season. Jenks got hurt in late August/early September and didn't pitch the rest of the 2010 season for the White Sox. Jenks' numbers also had gotten worse just about every season he was with the White Sox. His 2010 ERA skyrocketed to 4.44 with an ERA+ of 97. Consensus around baseball was that Jenks would have to sign a low value 2011 contract with plenty of incentives as his heath concerns and diminishing performance didn't help his cause. Instead Epstein signed Jenks to a 2-year/ $12 million contract which ended up to be a HUGE mistake as Jenks only pitched a total of 15 2/3 innings in 2011 and zero innings in 2012 before the Red Sox released him in July of 2012. That's over $750,000 per inning pitched as a Red Sox. One of the WORST free agent signings in the history of MLB. Now there have been plenty of bad free agent signings, especially by the White Sox, but the Jenks $12 million signing by Epstein was especially bad considering all the red flags (recent declining performance and health concerns) that were evident before his signing.
(http://mediadownloads.mlb.com/mlbam/2011/06/07/images/mlbf_15647451_th_25.jpg)
...but $6M/year is far less waste than many other GM's. I'm not saying it wasn't a bad signing, but to criticize a GM who has a VERY good record over one bad signing? It's not like he paid Alex Rios $15M / year. Besides, a $6M hit for the Red Sox is a far lesser impact than for nearly all other clubs (minus the Yankees, Dodgers, and maybe Cubs).
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when did the astros have a sale or quintana under long term cheap contracts that they traded.
If you can't identify anyone then the comparison to the astros is inappropriate.
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The need for a full tear down rebuild is not inappropriate. that is what this team needs.
Instead we keep patching holes treading water.
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The need for a full tear down rebuild is not inappropriate. that is what this team needs.
Instead we keep patching holes treading water.
What Method said.
Sadly, with this team constructed as it is with a horrible farm system and immense holes in the lineup and bullpen, they simply don't have enough resources to field a competitive team, even if they build around Sale / Quintana and get good years from Shields / Rodon / Gonzalez. The team is going to continue to get a bunch of B-list prospects, free agent signings that handcuff the team from making real moves, low-risk free agent signings that hope to catch lightning in a bottle, and a parade of mediocrity that makes us fans think, "man - if we just had (choose one: another decent starter; another bat; a center fielder; a decent bullpen)."
In reality, I really feel like an 88-win team that is on the brink of contending is about the best we can hope for unless the front office tears down and builds from the bottom up. Sale's and Quintana's values arguably will never be higher than they are now. We know this team isn't going to contend in 2016, most likely won't contend in 2017, and has a pretty remote chance at contending in 2018.
Even if we aim for 2018, Sale and Quintana will make a combined $21.35M (Sale: $12.5M, Q: $8.85M), with Sale under control for 1 more year and Q for 2 more.
To me, the questions are: a) can the Sox contend by 2018 without the huge haul of prospects that Sale and Quintana will bring (including 3-4 blue chip prospects)? and b) can the Sox contend deeper in the future without Sale and Quintana, relying on the major haul from those trades + wisely using high draft picks?
I choose (b). I want to believe they can contend with Sale and Quintana on the roster, but I just don't trust the front office to be able to build anything substantial around them. Whatever faith I had in Rick Hahn disappeared with this recent trade deadline.
Maybe the team is doomed either way.
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...but $6M/year is far less waste than many other GM's. I'm not saying it wasn't a bad signing, but to criticize a GM who has a VERY good record over one bad signing? It's not like he paid Alex Rios $15M / year. Besides, a $6M hit for the Red Sox is a far lesser impact than for nearly all other clubs (minus the Yankees, Dodgers, and maybe Cubs).
The criticism is for ignoring all the red flags and paying an outrageous contract for a player who proved the consensus right. Doesn't matter if it was "only" $6 million a year or $60 million. Yes, there have been plenty of free agents signings that turned bad by all teams including the White Sox and teams run by Theo Epstein. The Jenks one stands out because everyone knew it was a 'buyers beware' situation that Epstein alone ignored in his ridiculous contract offer. Like I posted, the consensus was Jenks was 'damaged goods' when the White Sox non-tendered him. Everyone expected Jenks to have to sign a minor league contract or a very low MLB contract with incentives to prove his worth and health. Instead Epstein blew every other team out of the water and got burned. To me, that's much worse than signing a healthy proven performed that immediately goes bad or under-performs expectations (LaRoche, Dunn, Shields, Ellsbury, Pujols, etc.) even though the total dollar amount lost by Boston was less confining to their salary budget.
The LaRoche, Dunn, Shields, Ellsbury, Pujols, etc. signings were all considered, by the consensus of MLB, "good" signings when they occurred. The signings ended up being "bad/poor" in the long run. The consensus of the contract when Epstein signed Bobby Jenks was YGTBFKM, That was proved to be correct in very short order. 294 total pitches thrown for $12 million, an average of $40,816.33 a pitch!
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If anything having sale and Q means we can jump start the rebuild by a full year... we need 2-3 years of #1 over all draft pick type of rebuild. Not another "re-tool for next year while we trot James Shields out there ever 5th day to get his brains bashed in.
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If anything having sale and Q means we can jump start the rebuild by a full year... we need 2-3 years of #1 over all draft pick type of rebuild. Not another "re-tool for next year while we trot James Shields out there ever 5th day to get his brains bashed in.
In fairness let's point out that while yesterday's start was awful and the one before that was bad, James Shields previous seven starts were all "quality starts". The James Shields of those seven starts is somebody I wouldn't mind seeing "take the bump" every five days for the White Sox:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?id=shielja02&t=p&year=2016
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Shields has 12 starts on the sox so far. he has 6 starts with more then 6 ERs, and 5 QS, the first game of his "good" streak was only 5IP so it was not a QS..
So 50% of his starts he has given up more then 6 ER, while he's kept the team somewhat competitive in the other 6. Of-course the games he does pitch well... we've lost 2-0, 1-0, 2-1, 8-7.
Next year he will be another year older... i can see him being DFA'd by mid-season.
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Shields has 12 starts on the sox so far. he has 6 starts with more then 6 ERs, and 5 QS, the first game of his "good" streak was only 5IP so it was not a QS..
So 50% of his starts he has given up more then 6 ER, while he's kept the team somewhat competitive in the other 6. Of-course the games he does pitch well... we've lost 2-0, 1-0, 2-1, 8-7.
Next year he will be another year older... i can see him being DFA'd by mid-season.
look again, it's three starts with more than 6 ERs. There's two with 6 ERs so it's a total of 5 QSs and five games with 6 or more ERs allowed. So we both miscounted. ;D ;D
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I have nothing against trading, a trade for equal value means you don't improve the talent pool. you have to win the trade, and with sale & Q. that's near impossible. If you just want to get really bad for a few years in the slight hope of getting a Chris Bryant why not just cut Sale & Q?
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"We" need a major upgrader in "our" pro scouting. It has been absolutely horrendous. For the most part, the pros brought in via FA and trades lately have suck-diddely-ucked. That to me is the number 1 problem. They seemed to have improved the amateur scouting, based on this year's draft, so there's that.
As much as I understand the desire to trade Sale and Quintana for a "haul" of prospects, unless you somehow absolutely rob someone blind, I can't see the merit. Half the guys you'll get will be Corey Patterson. Remember "pitching and defense"? S & Q are two relatively cheap proven All Stars (with great WAR) under control for ~4 more years -- absolutely priceless.
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agree
No one will give us the package it takes to get Sale or Q, too much risk to dismantle your entire farm system, even though that's what it takes. In a year or two that could change.
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our major league scouts have sucked for a long time, our minor league scouts don't seem to be any better. And I am not convinced we have fixed our horrendous amateur scouting.
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As much as I understand the desire to trade Sale and Quintana for a "haul" of prospects, unless you somehow absolutely rob someone blind, I can't see the merit. Half the guys you'll get will be Corey Patterson. Remember "pitching and defense"? S & Q are two relatively cheap proven All Stars (with great WAR) under control for ~4 more years -- absolutely priceless.
I agree with the rest of your statement other than the "half the guys you'll get will be Corey Patterson."
Patterson had the raw talent (passed the "eye" test in the minors), yes... but his plate discipline was crap from the get-go. He's more or less a poster child of the prospect you can't reasonably expect to pan out.... walk rate in the single digits throughout the minors (BB% of ~6%) translated to a similar number in the big leagues (BB% of 5%). Those numbers are pretty atrocious... in Neifi Perez territory.
Focus on guys who walk a lot, or at least otherwise show some plate discipline.
In other words, don't be an idiot about prospects and take a look at some numbers before making these decisions.
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I would trade Quintana for the right package. My problem with him is that he's almost Jon Rauchian in his ability to be great for 5 innings and then....poof.
His OPS against from the 6th on is kind of ugly.
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Just out of curiosity, where are you pulling the data per inning? I can't seem to find any splits along those lines.
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baseball reference has it on their splits page.
Direct link below.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=quintjo01&year=&t=p#innng
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On a team like the 2014-2015 Royals, Quintana has the potential to be a 20-game winner. A team that can consistently manufacture a few runs with a dominant bullpen the manager is proactive in utilizing earlier in the game.
He's not a classic #1 though. He should not be valued as highly as Sale. Had Rangers offered us the Lucroy package for Quintana, I'd hope Hahn would grab that sh*t and say Thank You sir...
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forget cory patterson, how about Felix Pie & Hee Chop Suey & all the rest of the great cub prospects I've heard about for the last 20 years that never made it.
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Well shoot the cubs had failed prospects in the 90s... so lets just be mediocre/lower third forever instead of rebuilding.
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the point is most prospects don't make it, losers fall in love with prospects.
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the point is most prospects don't make it, losers fall in love with prospects.
...or have you just considered the possibility that some teams are better at identifying and developing players?
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http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/08/12/robin-ventura-and-the-danger-of-treating-symptoms/
Great piece on the current state of the Sox.
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Word going around is that GM Rick Hahn was more in favor of a sale than team owner Jerry Reinsdorf, who might be more sensitive about selling than most after the negative way the “White Flag” trade of 1997 was received.
http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/inside-baseball-with-jon-heyman/heyman-10-managers-whose-seat-hot-lukewarm-cooler-youd-think/
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sale or rebuild?
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Coats sent back to Triple-A as Avisail Garcia returns:
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story: http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/197206442/white-sox-activate-of-avisail-garcia-from-dl/
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqknO2pWYAADmLF.jpg)
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Where's Kenny?
Who's the only other Suit?
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http://southside.locals.baseballprospectus.com/2016/08/23/white-sox-need-to-face-facts-about-chronic-offense-shortcomings/
Something to read.
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It appears we can be confident in a "Guaranteed Rate" of mediocrity for the foreseeable future...
BREAKING: Mortgage lender Guaranteed Rate has signed a 13-year naming rights deal with @whitesox. New name? GUARANTEED RATE FIELD
http://twitter.com/darrenrovell
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It appears we can be confident in a "Guaranteed Rate" of mediocrity for the foreseeable future...
BREAKING: Mortgage lender Guaranteed Rate has signed a 13-year naming rights deal with @whitesox. New name? GUARANTEED RATE FIELD
http://twitter.com/darrenrovell
Perfect name. since JR is more concerned about his Guaranteed return Rate vs whats good for the team. it fits very well.
I think we should call it IRR field for short.
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Guaranteed Rate? More like, "Guaranteed Great!"
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They **** on the fans and then complain nobody shows up.
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This new name will give Jerry a few extra million versus the current deal with US Cellular, and he'll lose millions more from the growing fan apathy over how he runs the franchise
What a total joke of a name Jerry.
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heh, you guys got him read correctly.
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Ha!
"with the team about to miss out on the playoffs for the 10th time in 11 seasons, perhaps Guaranteed Rate’s logo (https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrink_200_200/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAK0AAAAJGMxZjNiYWNiLWVjMmMtNGQ3Yy1iMjhiLWMwOTQzYjkzODA5Zg.png) was too on-the-nose"
http://deadspin.com/you-dont-have-to-call-it-guaranteed-rate-field-1785732517
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This comment is pretty spot on:
Season ticket holder here. I am dead inside. This team has spent the better part of 2016 spitting in the faces of fans. The new stadium name doesn’t even faze me. At least this company actually has a **** office in Chicago, unlike US Cellular. The downward red arrow is just the cherry on the **** sunday.
Every single goddamn person knows they need to rebuild, they need to clean house. The GM, Rick Hahn, has been vocal about how a rebuild needs to happen. Mother **** Kenny Williams and Jerry Reinsdorf will never allow that to happen. They will continue to trade away the one or two decent prospects we have, every year, so they can get some past his prime star. Manny Ramirez, Griffey, Andruw Jones, Adam Dunn, Kevin Youkilis, JImmy Rollins, Adam Laroche, James Shields, Jeff **** Samardzija, it just **** goes on. They have Sale, Quintana, and Frazier, players who would bring in several top prospects each and yet they will not **** do anything. Goddamn this team. Robin Ventura has never once shown human emotion and can’t run a bullpen to save his life, and yet they’ll probably extend him another 5 years.
Oh, and they had Sale scheduled to pitch tonight against King Felix, but pushed him off for Anthony **** Ranaudo. Going to love sitting through rain delays for this curb-stomping of a game. Drake LaRoche was a leader.
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Pretty sure US Cellular's USA HQ is in Chicago. And he/she lost me with "Drake LaRoche was a leader".
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I think the "Drake LaRoche was a leader" bit was tongue-in-cheek.
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He/she lost me with the "cherry on top of the sunday" part. I thought all this was announced on Wednesday. ;D
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/115847/115847-8624914Fr.jpg) (http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/CTurnerLHP_zps14icijjy.jpg)
The Dioner Navarro Era has come to an end - traded to the Blue Jays for a 25-year old LHP Colton Turner:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-ship-catcher-dioner-navarro-to-toronto/
To take Navarro’s place on the 25-man roster, the White Sox reinstated fellow catcher Alex Avila from the 15-day disabled list.
Colton Turner's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=turner000col
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would like to see Minaya & Smith get enough playing time to see if the can hack it in the bigs.
Would like to see Coats & L. Garcia called up once the AAA season ends.
Do not want Burdi or anyone not on the 40 roster called up' Sox have screwed up the 40 bad.
Guys who need to go on the 40 or become FAs (or is it subject to Rule 5?): Goldburg, Colton Turner, Jordan Guerrero, Nolan Sanburn, Blake Smith (taken in Rule 5 last year), Tago etc.
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Keep Goldberg and Guerrero. The rest will not be missed.
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I might be mistaken, but if they call up Burdi this year, they burn a year of service time. If so, would be a dumb move for a guy who probably has thrown too many innings already.
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wew just traded for Colton Turner, hard to believe we'll let him go so soon.
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If Justin Morneau decides to retire/move onto another organ-I-zation this off-season, here's your 2017 Chicago White Sox designated hitter/ part time 1st baseman:
http://tinyurl.com/2017CWSdh
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I will pass on that racist. Frigging hillbilly.
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???
Sox just announced that Robin can come back and manage next year "if he wants to come back".
If Robin comes back, then there ought to be some type of sox fan revolt/protest that hits Jerr's pocket.
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Sox fans will show up in paltry numbers when we sign Joey bats to a 3 year 68 million dollar deal. he'll be hurt by week 3.
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I want to cry.
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???
Sox just announced that Robin can come back and manage next year "if he wants to come back".
If Robin comes back, then there ought to be some type of sox fan revolt/protest that hits Jerr's pocket.
I hope this announcement is just a way to give RV a chance to save face as he was a "fan favorite", at least as a player.
Allowing him to 'decided' to "leave on his own" instead of being not re-signed/fired is something I think Jerry Reinsdorf would do for him.
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Don't care about the manager. Don't believe anyone would have done much better with this bunch.
There is something wrong with the chemistry of the players on this team.
Why has Austin Jackson not come back this year? Is there any reason to bring him back?
How bad is Tilson's injury? Are they couting on him to play center?
Do we keep Lawrie for the last year of his contract? Why has he never come back from the DL?
How do they plan on rebuilding the horrific bullpen? We don't have anything to trade - at least anything anyone would want.
Will any of the injured relief pitchers be counted on to come back?
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sounds like we need to... i dont know... maybe just maybe... rebuild?
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bad trades are never a way to rebuild.
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You are making the assumption that any trade of sale or Q is a bad trade.
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No, the assumption is that winning such a trade is unlikely. The odds are simply not in our favor.
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the objective isnt to win the trade, its to add a lot of talent to your organization.
This organization needs talent at every single level, good talent creates competition, greater competition helps create better players. this is a full tear down rebuild imo... we are just so barren in the minors and majors at this point its unbelievable.
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What Method said.
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So, if the point isn't to win the trade, then the point can only be to get worse at the major league level.
So the plan is to get better draft picks & win more minor league games.
Can't say that excites me.
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What exactly is your definition of a rebuild?
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do what the cubs did. Rob other teams while trading away your crap & draft well. Make a big slash in FA only when you have a solid foundation & the FAs complete the team. Don't sign anyone named Adam.
I really don't think believing the Sox can draft well is realistic. They've sucked at it for the last 15 years. Their Latin program sucks also.
Short term they have to win the trades they make & be smarter in the players they target in FA.
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Hard to argue with BillSharp on this. We suck at all that other stuff, only way we can win is to plug holes and get lucky once in a while and things gel, like 2005 and some other years. I do not want a total rebuild until we get a new organization, from Reinsdorf on down, I could not bear to see how far back this FO would put us if they attempted a real rebuild, we do not have an Epstein.
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just read that Saladino has a herniated disc in his back. God, there has to be a curse on this team.
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Jeesh, that could be long term problemo.
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Heard the Sox will announce RR as Mgr Monday morning at 11
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Heard the Sox will announce RR as Mgr Monday morning at 11
I'm also hearing KW will be gone too.
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Article at sox official site on Brad Goldburg pitching (2 saves) for Israel in the WBC.
This may explain why he wasn't put on 40 & called up.
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I hope Renteria is given his choices for assistants and not forced to take ex-Sox players.
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Providing there are no changes in the new CBA affecting the MLB Rule 4 Draft, The White Sox will pick 12th next June.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/10/current-2017-draft-order.html
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I hope Renteria is given his choices for assistants and not forced to take ex-Sox players.
Ajo-pe so!
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https://twitter.com/hashtag/firekenny
kicks up this time of year... hope there is truth to it this time.
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Can we also fire anyone that was at the meeting where trading for james shields turned out to be a good idea?
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I'd click 'agree' if I could...
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the Shields fiasco was just further proof that our major league scouts suck.
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I'd click 'agree' if I could...
Hey Dave! Enjoying the season, heh. Good to see ya drop in.
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I don't believe we need a full rebuild. We could use another back-of-the-rotation starter and some continued improvement from Rodon.
The bullpen needs a couple arms, hopefully Burdi can provide one.
If Tilson can stay healthy, we won't be playing Avi anymore. Bring in a LF so Melky can DH and send Avi packing.
Our IF is fine. Avila is a placeholder until Collins arrives.
I disagree with the idea we have nothing in the minors. Fulmer and Burdi aren't far from helping. Collins, Adams, Engel and Delmonico are all intriguing guys. At the lower levels Nick Basto looked decent, tough to say when talking about A+ ball.
A couple years ago our minors were barren, I don't buy that today though.
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Chemistry is a fragile thing. We were about 13 games over .500 when we jettisoned Danks. From a talent perspective it was the right call, but we tanked after that move. Sometimes, if it ain't broke, you don't fix it. See 2005 and only adding Geoff Blum.
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I sort of agree with ISF, a total rebuild won't work with the current brass in the front office. But I would like to see us bring what ISF said, plus bring in a haul for Sale, like Jackie Bradley Jr, Buckholz (and money), and two very good close to ready prospects if not more. I think Sale is on the downside, given what happened after 14-2 this year. Sell high.
I think Renteria alone will add 5-6 wins over Robin, given his intensity impact on Robin's laid back team.
One other piece, Barry Bonds got fired by Miami as hitting coach today even though Miami's offense improved this year. Hire him.
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I am so unexcited.
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5-6 wins for renteria? is he also turning into Pudge and playing C for us?
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I am so unexcited.
I just hate it when you are not excited.
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so no KW firing? no one gets fired for the shields trade?
what do we need for next year? 2 BP arms? 2 starters, a C, a OF and pray that no one gets hurt all year.
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I don't think the O's will offer Matt Wieters the $16.7 million qualifying offer again this off-season.
A 2-year/$27 million deal for Wieters would be a good start for re-making the 2017 White Sox.
A Wieters/Navaez duo behind the plate would give Zack Collins two more years time in the minors to develop his catching skills.
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Oriole fans around here are not that fond of Wieters, they say his defense/framing/pitch calling aren't so hot but I haven't researched it myself. Also, I doubt he goes for a two year deal, given the Wilson Ramos injury,
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I like Suzuki, his bat could play even better in Sox park than in that Twins outdoor park.
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Sox can trade anyone as far as I'm concerned, I have no emotional attachments to anyone on this team. Sox just have to win any trade they make.
MSF, wondering about the option situation. Who can we still send down?
I think Davidson is out of options, but what about L. Garcia, Carlos Sanchez, Avi Garcia & Dan Webb?
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I am going to guess all 4 of those are out of options. Pretty sure on the first two (Leury and Sanchez). Avi might have too much time in the bigs to get sent down, even if an option available, not sure how that works. Webb is likely out of them too, but hell, let him go, heh.
I think you are right that Davidson is out.
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I don't want to see a total rebuild. I'd like to see a real center fielder and a decent hitting catcher behind the plate. Melky hasn't been bad in LF and I love Eaton in RF. The infield is decent with Anderson at SS. I hope Anderson doesn't have a sophomore jinx season. He seems like the real deal. But we really need relief pitching and probably a RH starter other than Shields. He needs to go away. Bad move.
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You list them about how I see them. Good hitting CF, a damn decent catcher, plenty of relief and one solid RH starter.
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You list them about how I see them. Good hitting CF, a damn decent catcher, plenty of relief and one solid RH starter.
Might have had this already covered if they didn't lose this guy on waivers one year and a day ago:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/guerrju02.shtml
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Yep, they got sloppy with him and his options.
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They're rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic for 2017:
Nick Capra and Curt Hasler join the major league coaching staff while Bobby Thigpen is the fall guy:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/206077092/joe-mcewing-among-white-sox-coach-changes/
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Ugh.
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heard that former sox Chris Getz made head of player development.
Ironic as he never developed.
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"Those that can't do, teach"
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"Those that can't do, teach"
"those that can't teach, teach gym"
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Getz was asst player development dude in KC. Since he has done it somewhere before that makes me less worried that we just hired a former player once again. KC would be a good place to learn.
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2016 - Flowers .270, Soto .269
Avila .213, Navarro .210
that's the Sox in a nutshell.
Rymer Liriano anyone?
Sox 40 roster now has 43 on it. (3 on the 60 day DL)
We'll lose players to rule 5 & not have room to pick anyone.
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4 FAs to be taken off of that however, unless we sign them back up. Morneau, Albers, Avila and Jackson.
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4 FAs to be taken off of that however, unless we sign them back up. Morneau, Albers, Avila and Jackson.
The White Sox hold a club option on Albers for 2017 so it's not certain he'll become a free agent. I expect J.B. Shuck to be non-tendered so that will open another spot on the 40-man roster. Avisail Garcia and Bret Lawrie might be non-tendered next month opening up even more spots. Also, while he'd be a fool to do so, James Shields can opt out of his contract and become a free agent.
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Shields already opted in, I believe. They better not exercise their options on Fat Albers. Garcia and Lawrie can go.
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Chicago White Sox @whitesox 1 hour ago
The #WhiteSox today announced the following five roster moves:
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Here's a link to the story of these roster moves from whitesox.com:
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/208038436/white-sox-make-five-roster-moves/
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How did we miss this? Sox claim Rymer Liriano off waivers. Once a promising prospect who has suffered a couple of injuries.
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Pffft
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The enticing domino that could catapult White Sox into fire sale
http://nypost.com/2016/11/07/the-enticing-domino-that-could-catapult-white-sox-into-fire-sale/
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Your Class A manager....Willie Harris...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-mark-grudzielanek-player-development-20161116-story.html
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hmmm, did a good job at Great Falls last year as hitting coach (I think)
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https://twitter.com/JoeO670/status/803633026064384000
I guess incompetent management will still around even if we rebuild.
Why would we take a bidder out of the equation?
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Just plain stupid.
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That reeks of Reinsdorf, if it's even true. Sadly nothing will drastically change until there's an ownership change.
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You got that right.
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https://twitter.com/JoeO670/status/803633026064384000
I guess incompetent management will still around even if we rebuild.
Why would we take a bidder out of the equation?
...or they didn't, and either Buster lied or his source (probably from the Cubs side) misled him. see:
Rick Hahn: White Sox 'open to discussing trades with all 29 other clubs'
http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-sox/rick-hahn-white-sox-open-discussing-trades-all-29-other-clubs
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what I think could have happened is............
Theo/Jed contacted Kenny/Rick and inquired what it would take to get Chris Sale. KW/RH possibly replied that trading Sale to the nort'side would be a huge g@mble for the White Sox. Possibly a franchise killer in the Chicago market for 10 or more years if the player(s) they received back ending up being a bust while Sale helped the Cubs win at least another World Series championship.
KW/RH might have then told Theo/Jed the Cubs would need to overpay for Sale to protect the CWS from that worst case scenario and a potential fan backlash. Possibly told them it would take Kris Bryant and as much as one or two top prospects to make a deal. Cubs said too big of a price and when Buster contacted them they said 'the CWS don't want to deal with us over Sale".
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But that wouldn't fit the narrative that everything the White Sox FO does is wrong and everything the Cubs FO does is right, does it?
I still don't think the Sox would even attempt to ask for Kris Bryant. Everyone knows he's untouchable now. But I would start discussions by asking for Schwarber, Baez, Almora, Jimenez, and Cease. I don't think Epstein would even consider it so it's really a moot point.
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Ugh. No interest in Schwarber. He is not near as good as he is portrayed and is going to get injured again.
Of course the Sox wouldn'the trade Sale to the Cubs, and the Cubs also will not give up what he is worth, the risk is too high for both teams.
--Pragmatic Loveland
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I think Schwarber is the real deal, on-base machine with power. Quick bat and a very hard swing.
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Cub fans have Schwarber in the hall of fame already and I agree he's not the god they make him out to be but I would take him as a DH. It's probably where's he destined to be anyway. I would also want Contreras from the Cubs. But as Love said, there's no way the Cubs will give up what it'll take to get Sale. They won't remove multiple pieces from their major league roster and their farm is not what it used to be now. Anyone would take Eloy Jimenez but that's obviously not close to enough.
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Well, Avi Garcia was "tendered" and given $3 million for 2017. Yuck.
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Well, Avi Garcia was "tendered" and given $3 million for 2017. Yuck.
Don't get too upset/excited about this move. If someone better becomes available to them in a trade or free-agency, he'll be released in the spring. It's the same scenario as Dayan Viciedo was in two years ago. It's a $3 million insurance signing in case someone gets hurt in the spring and can't start the 2017 season. There's a better than a 50-50 chance if Avisail Garcia didn't agree to a contract by today and decided to go to salary arbitration, they would have non-tendered him today.
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White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf knows 'it will be very hard to trade' Chris Sale
http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-chairman-jerry-reinsdorf-knows-it-will-be-very-hard-trade-chris-sale
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/806239572715716608
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They held the Rule V draft this morning. The White lost no one. And, they drafted someone in the major league portion: RHP Dylan Covey (from the As).
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You heard it here first. Covey will make the team. We will have traded so many arms for kids we will actually have room for a Rule V guy. The guy was good in 2015, in a hitter league. Last year started out in AA very well, tore an oblique muscle and missed the rest of the season. Throws 91-93 with a sinking fastball. Bullpen fodder for the 100 loss upcoming season.
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You folks are slipping. No mention of this anywhere on the board
http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170113/sports/170119370/
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Hawk Harrelson Alarm Clock giveaway?
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say good bye to Carlos and hello to Yolmer:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/white-sox-infielder-changes-his-name-becomes-baseballs-first-yolmer/
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/player/570560/yolmer-sanchez
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Sox retiring Buehrle's number:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/02/white-sox-to-retire-mark-buehrles-number.html
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Cool. My guy!
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Brett Lawrie, he gone.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/whitesox-release-brett-lawrie.html
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The 107 MPH Man: Michael Kopech's Quest to Be the Hardest Thrower of All Time
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697051-the-107-mph-man-michael-kopechs-quest-to-be-the-fastest-pitcher-of-all-time?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
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Book I posted in another thread. He will never be a good pitcher. He is the anti MB
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He Gone?
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/ken-harrelson-likely-to-cut-back-schedule-even-more-after-2017/
http://deadspin.com/hawk-harrelson-to-remain-face-of-white-sox-even-after-r-1793346985
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Excellent; everything is going according to plan...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/rays-interested-in-acquiring-peter-bourjos.html
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Excellent; everything is going according to plan...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/03/rays-interested-in-acquiring-peter-bourjos.html
I would much prefer getting back a fringe prospect back, like Johnny Field, instead of cash.
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My guy!
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/04/white-sox-sign-ryan-raburn-to-minor-league-deal.html
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heh
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Shields lands on 10-day DL with lat strain
Right-hander Mike Pelfrey promoted to start in Shields' place Saturday vs. Tribe
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/225712982/james-shields-placed-on-10-day-disabled-list/?topicId=27118146
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White Sox place C Soto on DL, recall Smith
Veteran backstop lands on disabled list for second time with right elbow inflammation
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/229442772/white-sox-place-catcher-geovany-soto-on-dl/
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Could the Moncada Era start tomorrow?
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heard it'll be a pitcher as they think the pen is worn out.
maybe a guy like Minaya. they have some good pen guys at AAA. The best starter has been Fulmer - a bit of a surprise to me,
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considering how well Sanchez has been playing no need to rush Moncada.
Sanchez has surprised me, never thought he would hit, Saladino & Anderson have been disappointing.
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If we are sellers we are in a good spot with the BP arms doing well. Lots of contenders need BP help. Nats probably sooner vs later.
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SSS says Gregory Infante is getting the call up. Guess it means we need to clear space on the 40-man.
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Catcher Giovanny Soto to have surgery. Out a minimum of 12 weeks and transferred to the 60-day DL. That opens us a 40-man roster spot for the return of relief pitcher Gregory Infante:
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http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=t494&player_id=500872#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL (http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=t494&player_id=500872#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL)
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latest on James Shields: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/864261616543686656
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'lamar lawhorn' sure is psyched
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some good news:
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So drafted Fulmer one spot ahead of Ian Happ...
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was thinking about how we drafted Fulmer just ahead of Ian Happ. Our scouting stinks to high heaven. Can't really be surprised Zack Collins looks like a typical Sox bust.
Can't believe the Astros passed on Chris Bryant, they must feel stupid.
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Their 1st over all that year Appel was a supreme bust at that... so its really rough.
We consistently pass on high ceiling hitters for pitchers high in the draft... when will be draft BPA?
I used to feel that we're good at developing pitchers so add to a strength... but now it seems the scouting is just plain poor no matter who they are drafting.
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Leury Garcia has won the CF job for now, Tilson just has been unable to play. Too bad for him
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http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/heres-the-david-robertson-trade-the-nats-white-sox-were-reportedly-close-to-making/
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At this point, The Sox should eat money to get better prospects. I'm glad they turned that deal down.
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At this point, The Sox should eat money to get better prospects. I'm glad they turned that deal down.
Agree on both your comments
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Yeap. Eat his contract add kahnle and get Robles.
Kc appears to be marketing Herrera so that's our competition in being early sellers.
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You are not getting Robles for any number of relievers
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Oblique injury forces Covey to DL
Minaya recalled from Triple-A; Shields nears rehab start
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/232559446/white-sox-place-dylan-covey-to-dl/
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Boat is going to be disappointed
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Saladino to DL with back spasms; Engel up
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/232754178/white-sox-place-tyler-saladino-on-10-day-dl/
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Sox are 4th in the league in Batting Average. Amazing, they were near last the other time I looked. Over .250 now, they were at .220 earlier.
Pitching-wise they are 3rd in the league in ERA.
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When they showed the starting line up the other day, and listed BA's, I thought "wow, expect for Frazier, those don't suck".
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I was about ready to say lets play Davidson more and more, he has surprised. But he K'd all 5 times up yesterday. Ouch
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Well some of those were against Sale.
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Well some of those were against Sale.
and? Seems like other than him we must have hit Sale pretty good.
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Yes, pretty good. Sale pitches just good enough to win as compared to our offering of just good enough....well you know.
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Yes, pretty good. Sale pitches just good enough to win as compared to our offering of just good enough....well you know.
I understand.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/873005249606414336
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imagine Ventura still being manager playing Davidson every day regardless who is pitching
The guy never gets to where he's at today without Rick's way of slowly building his confidence
Ricky is such a dramatic improvement over RV
(except for his bunting tendencies)
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/875219081112113154
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/875371260607426563
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Leury Garcia to the DL
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/237408736/white-sox-place-leury-garcia-on-10-day-dl/
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/876830622857277442
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White Sox recall Adam Engel from Class AAA Charlotte
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-recall-adam-engel-from-class-aaa-charlotte/
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White Sox reliever Zach Putnam undergoes Tommy John surgery
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-zach-putnam-tommy-john-surgery-20170626-story.html
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Well, there goes a "tradable assist".
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Jake Petricka to the DL & Juan Minaya recalled:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/880471153487302658
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Melky rules.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/883020252703076352
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White Sox option rookie OF Garcia to Triple-A
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/241573898/white-sox-option-willy-garcia-to-triple-a/?topicId=27118146
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/884494406103052288
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Nate Jones has surgery, out for year.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2721969-the-mlb-team-on-a-mission-to-hoard-all-of-the-leagues-future-superstars
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Great article, ISF. It's really exciting to think where this team might be in 3-4 years. I am aware that lots of prospects never live up to the hype but not every single one will completely fail either. Good times are (hopefully) ahead.
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The Moncada Era hath begun. And he shalt wearith number 10.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/887525663468597248
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Injuries mount, but Tilson won't give up dream
White Sox prospect keeps working his way back before another enduring another setback
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/243351032/white-sox-charlie-tilson-injured-wont-quit/?topicId=27118146
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/890237170107256836
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Avisail Garcia to the DL with a ligament strain in his thumb:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/890316430952062978
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-avisail-garcia-disabled-list-20170726-story.html
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Leury Garcia news:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/890322947537346561
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Willy Garcia and Aaron Bummer promoted from Charlotte to the 4-A White Sox:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/890629480632299520
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Nick Delmonico, c'mon down! You're the next contestant...
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It's like a Big League Fantasy Camp.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-blue-jays-spt-0802-20170801-story.html
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/892426913142235136
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Today's the one year anniversary since Charlie Tilson's MLB debut at Comerica Park. It was also the last time he played as he was injured his hamstring on a Victor Martinez double to right field in the bottom of the 5th. Since then he suffered foot injuries which still has him on the DL. Will we hit the 2nd anniversary before he plays again?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-charlie-tilson-jb-shuck-20160803-story.html
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/2016/B08020DET2016.htm
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/white-sox-sign-al-alburquerque.html
Sox sign Al Alberqueque to eat a few innings.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/08/white-sox-to-promote-reynaldo-lopez.html
Lopez to make debut on Friday. Pelfrey to 'pen.
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Nicknames for that "Players' Weekend" thing. WTF is up with the orange?
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An actual quite informative Q&A:
https://www.southsidesox.com/2017/8/14/16145224/p-o-sox-answering-an-abundance-of-white-sox-questions
But, I would add: when was the last time there wasn't "an unimpressive cast of free agent catchers"?
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2017/08/15/white-sox-owner-jerry-reinsdorf-rebuild/570393001/
Bob Nightengale interviews Reinsdorf, in case you couldn't glean that from the headline.
File this under "something to read."
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Too bad to read his comments on Ozzie.
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-not-cubs-have-most-satisfied-fan-base-in-chicago/amp/
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Glad they included the Fire in that survey. Although they can't seem to win on the road.
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Giolito to start Monday against Twinks
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White Sox put Reynaldo Lopez on DL, call up Farquhar
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/249408368/reynaldo-lopez-on-dl-with-back-strain/?topicId=27118146
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Fulmer Monday, Giolito Tuesday.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-reynaldo-lopez-strained-back-20170819-story.html
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Moncada to the DL, Davidson returns
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/250541926/white-sox-place-yoan-moncada-on-disabled-list/
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/901146145635872768
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You look at what Rhys Hoskins is doing now... and its really hard to argue that Moncada should be up right now.
He needs a sloid 500-800 more atbats in the minors.
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Some organizations are stuck on stupid.
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Yeah, just like some posters
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I agree with Juan, Metodo and Bill just look for crap to complain about. Gets old fellas
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sorry Min, just hate seeing prospects mishandled. Hate seeing options burned, service time unwisely thrown away and the 40 **** up.
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Boston brought him up last year. More time facing AAA pitching won't make him better. They want him ready for 2019. His ops in August is .780.
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Delmonico to DL, Rob Brantley called up. Glad Brantley gets a chance and now on the 40, but would like to see Asche get another shot.
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"Boston brought him up last year" - only because of a slew on injuries to their infielders, it wasn't earned.
"Facing more AAA pitching won't make him any better" - if he'll never hit more than .282 against AAA pitching we are in big DOO-DOO & he isn't much of a prospect.
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Yeah, that's why he's widely considered one of the top prospects in baseball
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news on Reynaldo Lopez:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/903026727403835392
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/903653601041633281
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Moncada back from DL; Sox Say Goodbye to the Dutch Oven
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/252560126/white-sox-yoan-moncada-reinstated-from-dl/
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/09/white-sox-release-derek-holland.html
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Finally!
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/907635823268519936
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No "home and home" against the NLCBC next year. Good. I tire of the interleague thing
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No "home and home" against the NLCBC next year. Good. I tire of the interleague thing
look again. Three games in May at Wrigley and three games at Comiskey in late September.
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You are correct; I missed the three in Sept
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Rodon seeks answers for left shoulder issue
White Sox pitcher isn't ruling out surgery as potential option
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/255757598/carlos-rodon-wants-answers-for-shoulder-injury/
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Rather cool read:
https://www.wbez.org/shows/curious-city/who-came-up-with-the-iconic-white-sox-look/d6cae5bb-ed65-4ed0-bb87-b0bb288252e4
I think he got the origin of "winning ugly" wrong, though.
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Rather cool read:
https://www.wbez.org/shows/curious-city/who-came-up-with-the-iconic-white-sox-look/d6cae5bb-ed65-4ed0-bb87-b0bb288252e4
I think he got the origin of "winning ugly" wrong, though.
You're right on the |winning ugly". Doug Rader, then manager of the Texas Rangers came up with that after the 83 Sox beat the Rangers and he downplayed our great second half run that year by saying this.
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The Stones even wrote a song for the "83" Beloved:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-s_jBTd3ws
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Phillies, San Fran and now Tigers all with worse records then the Sox... tigers are 2 behind us. we are unlikely to see the #1 pick at this point... most likely at 4.
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We might pick at 6. Mets and Reds are catching us.
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We cant even tank right... heh.
falling out of top 3 hurts a ton in the bonus pool.
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Carlos Rodon underwent arthroscopic surgery on Wednesday, the team announced this afternoon. Rodon’s surgery repaired a “significant” case of bursitis in his left shoulder A recovery time for his specific case wasn’t provided, but the Sox suggested that the general recovery timeline for this procedure is anywhere from six to eight months.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/09/carlos-rodon-undergoes-arthroscopic-shoulder-surgery.html
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ugh, shoulder, not good.
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ugh, shoulder, not good.
Unlike TJ surgery, very few pitchers fully return to form after shoulder surgery. John Danks is one who never return to pre-injury effectiveness. No one wants to see a player injured but the CWS management should be thankful that this is happening now before they offered Carlos Rodon a John Danks-like 5 year/$65+Million extension. But then again, with Scott Boras as his agent Rodon probably would have turned it down.
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Its still going to be a tough loss. #3 overall pick...
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You don't have surgery for bursitis. They're not being truthful about Rodon's surgery - why he had it & what was repaired.
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When I hear shoulder it is typically Labrum, or in the old days they had more rotator cuff injuries. Lately labrum is the uh oh surgery.
I agree with Bill Sharp, especially due to the 6-8 month recovery. Does not sound like they are being truthful.
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Labrum surgery sucks.
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speaking of injuries:
https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/913511311337717761
as the late Jack Brickhouse use to say, "a day late and a dollar short."
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speaking of injuries - what the hell happened to Leury Garcia???????
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White Sox outright 5 players to Triple-A Charlotte
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-roster-moves-20171004-story.html
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surprised by the decision on Goldburg & Brantley. Only 2 catchers on the 40 now.
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I kind of liked Brantley's bat, maybe his D is not so good? They kept Goldberg, but no longer on 40man. The others are MLFA
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I kind of liked Brantley's bat, maybe his D is not so good? They kept Goldberg, but no longer on 40man. The others are MLFA
Goldberg is in the same situation as Hunnie's son, Johnny. Not enough time since he turned pro to become a minor league free agent but will be available to be picked by another organ-I-zation in this December's Rule 5 Draft. If no team selects Goldberg, he remains White Sox property. Same holds true for Johnny with Tampa.
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I kind of liked Brantley's bat, maybe his D is not so good? They kept Goldberg, but no longer on 40man. The others are MLFA
Goldberg is in the same situation as Hunnie's son, Johnny. Not enough time since he turned pro to become a minor league free agent but will be available to be picked by another organ-I-zation in this December's Rule 5 Draft. If no team selects Goldberg, he remains White Sox property. Same holds true for Johnny with Tampa.
Thanks
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I see Petricka had nerve transposition surgery on right elbow. Maybe Goldburg should be put back on the 40.
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He’ll b back in Feb
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Buddy Bell leaves White Sox front office after 14 years for hometown Reds
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-exec-buddy-bell-reds-20171030-story.html
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/926177833311002625
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Pierzynski hopes to call '18 game with Hawk
Former White Sox catcher says broadcaster is Hall of Famer
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/261133620/aj-pierzynski-on-hawk-harrelson-white-sox/
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Margalus looks at who be non-tendered at tonight's deadline.
https://www.southsidesox.com/2017/12/1/16723444/the-white-sox-toughest-calls-at-the-non-tender-deadline
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White Sox: Chicago has agreed to terms on a one-year, $1.05 million contract with right-hander Danny Farquhar, avoiding arbitration. The White Sox have eight other arbitration-eligible players: Jose Abreu, Avisail Garcia, Yolmer Sanchez, Carlos Rodon and Leury Garcia all figure to be tendered contracts, while relievers Zach Putnam, Al Alburquerque and Jake Petricka are potential non-tender candidates.
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/262690758/mlb-players-non-tendered/
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If they planned to non-tender these guys, why didn't they remove them from the 40-man roster two weeks ago so they could have protected 1-4 more prospects from the upcominf December 15th Rule-5 draft?
White Sox decline to tender contracts to 4 players for 2018
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-tender-contracts-20171201-story.html
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/948683171444518913
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Who's the third guy? At first I thought Shoeless Joe, but he never hit 15 HRs in a season. Does anyone know, without going through baseballreference.com?
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Who was the stud 2b? Name escaped me
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Nope, not Eddie Collins. Found the guy. Never heard of him
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Was it John "Jhon" Jeter?
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Who's the third guy? At first I thought Shoeless Joe, but he never hit 15 HRs in a season. Does anyone know, without going through baseballreference.com?
Carl Reynolds - White Sox outfielder who in 1930 hit .359 with 18 triples and 22 HRs.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/reynoca01.shtml
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White Sox sign Miguel Gonzalez to 1-year contract
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-miguel-gonzalez-signing-20180111-story.html
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/951502891507994629
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/951503333155639296
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White Sox Avoid Arbitration With 4 Players, Still Have 2 Unsigned
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2018/01/12/white-sox-avoid-arbitration-with-4-players-still-have-2-unsigned/
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List of White Sox non-roster invitees to 2018 Spring Training:
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/955491844938452992
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https://amp.mlb.com/265097722-five-teams-that-may-surprise-in-2018.amp.html
No team is more interesting than this one thanks to GM Rick Hahn's organizational rebuild around kids. With kids come uncertainty. But kids also bring hope.
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no invite for Goldburg? Wow.
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no invite for Goldburg? Wow.
They must not have liked what they saw.
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no invite for Goldburg? Wow.
They must not have liked what they saw.
What was there to like about a pitcher who gave up 14 hits and 11 earned runs in 12 innings while walking 14, hitting 2 batters and striking out only 3 resulting in a 8.25 ERA with a 2.333 WHIP?
http://m.mlb.com/player/643329/brad-goldberg
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what was there to like, Andy?
his minor league numbers & his performance for the Israeli national team.
His problem is control, but he has been way more effective in the minors than the Becks of the organization.
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The White Sox have agreed to sign right-hander Bruce Rondon to a minor league deal. Rondon will be one of many veterans competing for spots in the Chicago bullpen, joining other offseason minor league signings like Xavier Cedeno, Jeanmar Gomez, Rob Scahill, and T.J. House.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/white-sox-to-sign-bruce-rondon.html
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/avisail-garcia-wins-arbitration-against-white-sox.html
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White Sox prospect Burger out for season
2017 first-round pick will have Achilles surgery Thursday in Chicago
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-prospect-jake-burger-out-for-season/c-267362640
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/970320524415942657
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White Sox roster moves: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/971075697794981888
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I know a few of you peruse SoxTalk, as do I. Anyone know what's up with that site? It's been down for a few weeks now it seems.
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I seem to recall they said they were updating their server, but am not sure. That might be wrong; I doubt that would take two weeks.
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I seem to recall they said they were updating their server, but am not sure. That might be wrong; I doubt that would take two weeks.
It is strange, the error appears to be in some java code talking about timezone setting. Would think that would be an easy fix, but who know who owns the code behind it.
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bad news: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/975079831112179712
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those twitter replies were pretty funny
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Mother's Day: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/975777857401171968
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Memorial Day weekend: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/975778623792861185
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Father's Day https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/975778971718701056
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4th of July https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/975779440255959042
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If I ain't mistaken, we are on the road for all four of those games. Weird.
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I agree with Ricky; a One-Through-Five order of James Shields, Lucas Giolito, Reynaldo Lopez, Miguel Gonzalez and Carson Fulmer "sounds right". For now, of course.
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/sounds-we-know-how-white-sox-starting-rotation-will-line-start-season
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Fulmer hasn't earned a spot in the rotation.
This decision is a merit free one.
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I think Arizona has been very unkind to Fulmer's curve, and expect him to be much better up north. Can't hurt to try and develop him in the bigs.
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"Can't hurt to try and develop him in the bigs."
there is so much wrong with that statement. you promote people after they've earned it, you don't promote people who suck in the hopes the promotion will magically change them. Fulmer was one of the worst starting pitchers in all of AAA last year.
Throwing away service time is unquestionably an idiotic thing for any ball club, but especially one with a limited budget.
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Fulmer hasn't earned a spot in the rotation.
This decision is a merit free one.
I gotta go with you on this one. Seems to me they are just trying to make their draft pick from 2 years ago look like a good pick. It turns out it was not.
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I was on board with Fulmer being a wasted draft pick last year, but I was actually impressed with the way he pitched down the stretch for the White Sox. I'm okay with him getting the 5th starter job for now. I think he earned it based on last year's finish, but he's going to need to perform to keep it. He clearly hasn't performed well in spring training.
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So his 5.79 era last year in AAA is meaningless?
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Did I say that? I will admit to having somewhat of a bias though. My son got to throw out the first pitch at the Sox game last September and Fulmer caught his pitch, gave him the ball, and posed for a picture. He was very nice. So I'm pulling for him. I see no harm in giving him 5 or 6 starts to see if he can replicate what he did for the White Sox last year. If he can't, demote him and give the 5th starter job to Santiago. 2018 is basically still an audition to see who can play and who can't. I'm not sure that's been settled yet on Fulmer.
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I think its fantastic that 60% of the rotation is Shields/Lopez/Fulmer.
Its going to be hard to beat the tigers to the #1 pick.... but that rotation helps.
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Fulmer hasn't earned a spot in the rotation.
Neither has Shields or Gonzalez
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I disagree, Bill. Fulmer did very well with the big club last year. I'm not going to let a bad spring in AZ worry me about a pitcher that relies on his curve. It's not like he's taking the spot of a Kopech or his ilk. It can't hurt to start him out with the big club. If he sucks, burning his service time is a non-issue. If he's good/great, well then it worked out, didn't it? Keep him here with Cooper.
Now, if he sucks in his first 3-4 starts, okay, send him down.
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Method, if the Sox are in contention for the #1 pick next year, I think that could be a bad thing. At some point, the kids have to play well, or else we are in trouble. I think to do this right, you have a couple 2-3 years of top 3 picks, you hit on those, and then start moving' on up.
We need Moncada, Anderson, Giolito, and Lopez to show progress this year, and also could you a surprise bump from a next tier guy, like Delmonico and Sanchez. Even if that means we are picking in the 12-15 range next year, that would bode much better for the future, in my opinion, than having a top 3 pick.
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Yup. Right call
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They wont be anywhere near the #1 pick
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So his 5.79 era last year in AAA is meaningless?
I certainly don't care what he did in AAA last year. His performance the last month or two with the big team last year shows potential.
The troubles in ST are concerning, but I've seen All-Stars do sh*t in ST.
I've never been sold on Fulmer and I certainly am not right now, but who deserves it more? Santiago?
Does his 5.63 ERA and inability to miss bats from last year mean less than Fulmer's AAA stats?
Part of the rebuild is the painful process of throwing the kids out there and seeing who succeeds and who fails.
Fulmer succeeded at the end of last year. Need to find out if that was an outlier or a norm.
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/us/white-sox-hire-wrongly-convicted-groundskeeper-trnd/index.html
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/us/white-sox-hire-wrongly-convicted-groundskeeper-trnd/index.html
Read that yesterday, very nice story although sad too.
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Method, if the Sox are in contention for the #1 pick next year, I think that could be a bad thing. At some point, the kids have to play well, or else we are in trouble. I think to do this right, you have a couple 2-3 years of top 3 picks, you hit on those, and then start moving' on up.
We need Moncada, Anderson, Giolito, and Lopez to show progress this year, and also could you a surprise bump from a next tier guy, like Delmonico and Sanchez. Even if that means we are picking in the 12-15 range next year, that would bode much better for the future, in my opinion, than having a top 3 pick.
Blackie, I agree, and we need to show progress forward to attract one of the top free agents next year.
I still hope we stumble to a pitching boon doogle at the start of the year and come back as the year goes along... basically a 4-28 start to the season and then play .500+ ball on out.
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25-man roster is set:
White Sox roster a mix of steadiness, upside
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-finalize-2018-opening-day-roster/c-269804610
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my only disagreement is keeping Bummer on the 25. Last year he went from A ball to AA to AAA to the majors. There is no reason to rush him and waste service time, a 3rd lefty in the pen is a luxury & guys like Gomez, Rodon, Ross, Scahill etc., can be traded later in the year.
The Knight's bullpen is really going to be loaded tho.
Was shocked how well Volstead pitched, could he finally have learned .... nah.
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The depth in the org is uncanny. A guy like Engel may end up an everyday player but not be a starter in a couple years
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Can't imagine Engel starting on any decent team.
Feel sorry for Kevan Smith, played really well last year.
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Gold glove defender. If he starts to hit, he’s a starter
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Bovada has the over/under on 2018 White Sox wins at 68. Give me the Over. 76 wins, at least.
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Bovada has the over/under on 2018 White Sox wins at 68. Give me the Over. 76 wins, at least.
Agree, we won't suck.
Type of year that I like assuming the kids stay competitive and progress.
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Can't imagine Engel starting on any decent team.
Feel sorry for Kevan Smith, played really well last year.
One of fangraphs writers on Engel.
Adam Engel was one of the worst offensive players in 2017. Yet, the White Sox had no need to go out and acquire a free agent OF to bump him down their depth charts. FanGraphs’ Depth Charts projections (pun intended) projects Engel for 525 PA, which indicates a full-time job this season. For one thing, Engel is a fantastic defensive CF, which could keep him in the lineup through bad stretches.
Last year’s poor .166 BA (which he posted through 301 ABs), also came with a .247 BABIP. His historical BABIP in the minors typically fell somewhere in the mid-300s. This spring he is batting .383, which led all White Sox batters with at least 16 ABs. He’s consistently stolen 30+ bases in the minors, so if that BABIP can bounce back, the speed upside is then real. He is also putting together more of a power swing and has shown that in the spring belting 4 homers.
Engel beat out Charlie Tilson and Leury Garcia in spring training, and the Chi Sox are trusting him with the starting centerfield job to start the year. A hot start for him will keep him in the lineup, and let those counting stats build up.
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Engel hit .218 in AAA last year. His career BA in the minors is .260 (he only hit well in rookie ball). He ain't young - 26 yrs old
his .166 BA with the Sox had to be somewhat expected. I really can't think of a team that would consider him starter material - few would consider him for a bench roll.
Got nothing against him, hope him well.
All I'm saying is you can't ignore his stats.
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Engel hit .218 in AAA last year. His career BA in the minors is .260 (he only hit well in rookie ball). He ain't young - 26 yrs old
his .166 BA with the Sox had to be somewhat expected. I really can't think of a team that would consider him starter material - few would consider him for a bench roll.
Got nothing against him, hope him well.
All I'm saying is you can't ignore his stats.
Not that it will make a difference but it may, he changed his swing over the offseason.
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Love the glove. It never ever works sacrificing defense for meaningless offensive numbers. He deserves every opportunity to show what he can do.
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Love the glove. It never ever works sacrificing defense for meaningless offensive numbers. He deserves every opportunity to show what he can do.
Like to see him get a steady .240-.260 ability with some power, speed and as you say very good defense.
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I like our depth behind him. Cordell looked good this spring. I still think Polo will see time at some point. Maybe in September. Maybe sooner if injuries hit.
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Love the glove. It never ever works sacrificing defense for meaningless offensive numbers. He deserves every opportunity to show what he can do.
To play devil's advocate... Brian Anderson, anyone?
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Love the glove. It never ever works sacrificing defense for meaningless offensive numbers. He deserves every opportunity to show what he can do.
To play devil's advocate... Brian Anderson, anyone?
Ugh
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(http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/sites/csnchicago/files/styles/article_hero_image/public/2017/08/22/renteria_and_minaya_on_his_abilites_640x360_1030356547555.jpg?itok=uhDnDx1v)
White Sox send Minaya to Triple-A after loss
Renteria says reliever 'just doesn't look as confident right now'
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-option-juan-minaya-to-triple-a/c-271238422
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(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5aca305a/turbine/ct-1523200086-zww9me8cnj-snap-image/750/750x422)
White Sox call up reliever Bruce Rondón
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/982994808905109505
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/bruce-rondon-set-to-work-in-white-sox-bullpen/c-271315950
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-bruce-rondon-20180408-story.html
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I don't know about confidence, but he looks sleepy...
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Chris Volstad? Really?
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/white-sox-select-contract-of-chris-volstad.html
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbVLP1DXUAEm0T0.jpg)
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/987778432053506050
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Miggy to the DL; Chris Beck is next up for the SP bucket-o-suck
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/04/white-sox-danny-farquhar-60-day-disabled-list.html
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Avi Garcia placed on the 10-day DL (hammy); Palka called up.
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I have always liked Palka, since his Ga Tech days. Lets hope he stays hot.
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Another roster move must be in the works. Making early room on the 40-man for Kopech?
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/989570679765905408
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Benetti & Wimpy are quite fun; almost awesome.
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Fry up, Minaya down
https://670thescore.radio.com/articles/white-sox-call-lhp-jace-fry-triple-charlotte
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Fry up, Minaya down
https://670thescore.radio.com/articles/white-sox-call-lhp-jace-fry-triple-charlotte
Would have been so much better if it could have been Burger and Fry up, Minaya and blah down.
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....only if the sign Phil Coke, too.
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....only if the sign Phil Coke, too.
Or draft the kid from college who is a likely 1st rounder from Clemson, Beer.
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Gotta be a Mayo somewhere
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Mayo on a burger? No thank you.
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On fries
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(https://i.imgur.com/ovGl5DT.jpg)
Moncada to DL with left hamstring tightness
Second baseman not expected to miss more than 10 days; Rondon recalled;
Avisail Garcia takes BP
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/yoan-moncada-on-dl-with-hamstring-tightness/c-275410252
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Jose Rondon is an interesting case. 24, he was sold to us by the Padres in the off-season & I can't figure out why. Maybe they felt guity about raping us the the James Shields trade.
Played 1 yr in the DSL & then has been in the American minors since 2012. Career .290 BA, 340 OBP. Fielding seems OK.
only odd thing in the numbers is he's only played in 589 minor league games in over 7 years.
Maybe the Padres thought they were unloading an injury prone player.
Anywho I'd keep him, move Leury to center as a regular & Rondon is the utility inf.
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Rough start for Tatis jr
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Bought Hawk’s book, Kindle version. Snoozer. interesting life and I believe it, just bad writing. Oh well - better than watching bad TV.
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Bought Hawk’s book, Kindle version. Snoozer. interesting life and I believe it, just bad writing. Oh well - better than watching bad TV.
I stopped watching TV. I read most of the WWII Pacific battles and now am about halfway thru the major battles of the Civil War. I had stopped reading for so long, never thought I would get back into it. But it beats the crap out of the "slime oozing out of the TV set".
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That's right folks, don't touch that dial!
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heh
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Nicky Delmonico to the 10-day DL. Dylan Covey and José Rondón recalled from Charlotte:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/997889443968233473
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-michael-kopech-carson-fulmer-20180519-story.html
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(http://www.trbimg.com/img-5ade8b2f/turbine/ct-spt-white-sox-avisail-garcia-injured-20180423)
Sounds like Avisail García is out for another 5 weeks or so:
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/998267024924135424
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Hmmm...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/joe-girardi-a-candidate-to-be-next-white-sox-manager/ar-AAxz9vf
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Hmmm...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/joe-girardi-a-candidate-to-be-next-white-sox-manager/ar-AAxz9vf
Yes please
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Not sold
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Agree with Shoe and I think its a total insult if not borderline racism, to the job Ricky has been doing.
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Racism? The new favorite card. No longer can we have different opinions, “They must be racist to have different views than me”. I would like to see Ozzie back, clearly Renteria is not going to cut it. Is that racism too?
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Scrapheap Outfield Roulette continues:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/white-sox-sign-alex-presley.html
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Scrapheap Outfield Roulette continues:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/05/white-sox-sign-alex-presley.html
Rather have him than Engel in CF.
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/157374/157374-10823340Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/157374/157374-10823192Fr.jpg)
Move over Robinson Cano, make room for Welington Castillo:
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/999472743837065216
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If we had to lose a starter I guess Castillo would have been my pick, Kevan Smith was really good last year, he deserves to be in the majors.
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Alfredo Gonzalez gets the call for back up catcher. The Adam Engel of catchers. Curious choice.
Also, Leury Garcia on the DL with a knee, Tilson up.
Lots of injuries this year.
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Alfredo Gonzalez gets the call for back up catcher. The Adam Engel of catchers. Curious choice.
Also, Leury Garcia on the DL with a knee, Tilson up.
Lots of injuries this year.
As stated in other thread. Gonzalez is about only choice. Smith is on DL, Zavala is on DL, Collins is hitting in AA now and I think they would like to keep him there. Gonzalez sucks, but they do not need to make room on 40-man for him since our catcher is suspended for PEDs we are allowed an exemption on 40-man to replace him. So no one needs to be sacrificed to have Gonzalez come up.
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I thought Smith was off the DL. Didn't he play the other day?
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I thought Smith was off the DL. Didn't he play the other day?
Hmmm, his status is active, interesting. He last played on 21st. Why not bring him up? Must not be fully healthy?
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From the jockey, in today's Trib:
"Surprisingly, Hahn mentioned double-A catcher Seby Zavala as a possible call-up when he returns from his wrist injury in a week or two."
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Why is that surprising?
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Why is that surprising?
Because he is not ready, he needs to learn to catch first.
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Maybe he has?
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/168606/168606-10846587Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/115023/115023-2056776741Fr.jpg)
Davidson placed on DL with back spasms
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/matt-davidson-placed-on-dl-with-back-spasms/c-278682630
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ready to call up Rodon. Don't see the point in pitching at Charlotte instead of Chicago.
We need to send down Giolito, ERA is like 7.56. sending him out every 5th day is a form of punishment at this point.
he's still only 23. Let Covey pitch in the rotation for a while. See what he can do, he can't be worse than Gio.
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Santiago needs to go. At least Giolito might be learning on the job. Kopech needs to be up. Not much left for him to learn in AAA.
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Santiago needs to be in the pen, where he's been more effective.
The most effective starter at AAA has been Stephens.
Gio shouldn't be on the 25.
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/158662/158662-10211563Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/166594/166594-10825027Fr.jpg)
White Sox promote C Smith, RHP Minaya
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-promote-kevan-smith-juan-minaya/c-279875792
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(http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mlb/players/full/34108.png&w=350&h=254)
https://twitter.com/mike_petriello/status/1003711641018609664
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yeah, his defense is indefensible.
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Thats pretty bad D. Might trade it for god awful Thompson’s O
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/157374/157374-10823191Fr.jpg)
After tonight's game, Aaron Bummer was sent to Triple-A Charlotte Knights making room on the 25-man roster for Carlos Rodon.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1004572536426893312
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White Sox call up left-hander Xavier Cedeño from Charlotte
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-call-up-left-hander-xavier-cedeno-from-charlotte/
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-aaron-bummer-xavier-cedeno-20180607-story.html
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calling up Cedeno I'm all for, but they need to call up Jeanmar Gomez.
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Positive injury news
• Alec Hansen, the White Sox No. 4 prospect per MLB Pipeline, will make his first 2018 start with Double-A Birmingham this weekend. The Minor League strikeout leader in '17 has been working his way back from forearm soreness, which began in Spring Training.
• Outfielder Avisail Garcia, out of action since April 23 with a right hamstring strain, will begin a rehab assignment with Charlotte on Tuesday. He's going to need at least one week to 10 days of regular action to get his timing back.
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The Micker to start a throwing program which may allow him to avoid surgery.
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Nate Jones placed on the 10-day DL. And the Sox call up...
Not Jeanmar. Minaya instead.
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Nate Jones placed on the 10-day DL. And the Sox call up...
Not Jeanmar. Minaya instead.
Makes sense as Jeanmar Gómez is not on the 40-man roster which is full and Juan Minaya was already on the 40-man. Besides their short term goal is not to win but to get the overall number one pick in the 2019 MLB Draft.
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Nate Jones placed on the 10-day DL. And the Sox call up...
Not Jeanmar. Minaya instead.
Makes sense as Jeanmar Gómez is not on the 40-man roster which is full and Juan Minaya was already on the 40-man. Besides their short term goal is not to win but to get the overall number one pick in the 2019 MLB Draft.
It is going to take a lot of effort to suck more then Baltimore. Not sure we want that.
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Jeanmar could be a flip candidate. Need to showcase him at some point. What's the point of having a 30 year old in AAA?
I don't think getting the #1 pick next year would be a good thing, because that could mean that the young guys already up here suck. It would be better to have the young 'uns show promise and get the number 8 pick.
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We wont. Prolly get pick 6-8
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Genius Blackie
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I credit BillSharp with getting me on the Jeanmar Bandwagon.
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Jeanmar could be a flip candidate. Need to showcase him at some point. What's the point of having a 30 year old in AAA?
I don't think getting the #1 pick next year would be a good thing, because that could mean that the young guys already up here suck. It would be better to have the young 'uns show promise and get the number 8 pick.
We will not get anything for Jeanmar.
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transaction page at Sox web site says Gregory Infante outrighted. This should clear a space on the 40.
Bring Gomez up & send Minaya down?
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Might be Roach, we need a starter
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Weird thought - do you think Shields might be tradeable at the deadline...???
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Definitely. Might not bring much but could help some team. I now think they should move Abreu
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Avi G is going to be activated for the next game, if it ever stops raining. Guessing this means bye bye Trace.
Leury G also close to coming back as well.
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Avi G is going to be activated for the next game, if it ever stops raining. Guessing this means bye bye Trace.
Leury G also close to coming back as well.
It better be good bye Trace. Jeesh. Yeah, been raining for weeks it seems. All day today. Back woods is very thick this year, kinda scary. Lots of rain and lots of heat.
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Ugh. Trayce
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Avi G is going to be activated for the next game, if it ever stops raining. Guessing this means bye bye Trace.
Leury G also close to coming back as well.
Trayce and either Tilson or Palka will be off the 25-man roster when Leury is activated. Neither Avi or Leury were in the lineup tonight for the Knights so both of them might already be heading back to Chicago.
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designating Trace will at least free up a spot on the 40.
Don't want to see either Tilson or Palka sitting on the bench, they need to be playing.
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Rondon is supposedly being sent down, so that means likely Trayce is gone and that makes room for the two Garcias. Tilson and Palka should be safe.
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Rondon is supposedly being sent down, so that means likely Trayce is gone and that makes room for the two Garcias. Tilson and Palka should be safe.
...at least until Nicky Delmonico returns.
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So who's the 26th man for today's doubleheader? MLB rules allow teams to expand their roster to 26 on days they play two games. see: https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/26th_Man_Rule
Nothing is listed on the White Sox website or twitter account. Could have kept Jose Rondon active for one more day as insurance in case there is an injury in one of today's games. A's active roster only shows 25 players too. ????
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So who's the 26th man for today's doubleheader? MLB rules allow teams to expand their roster to 26 on days they play two games. see: https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/26th_Man_Rule
Nothing is listed on the White Sox website or twitter account. Could have kept Jose Rondon active for one more day as insurance in case there is an injury in one of today's games. A's active roster only shows 25 players too. ????
Vierira was called up for it.
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(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/134721/134721-10226672Fr.jpg)
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1010555302180216832
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1010894976887033857
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Gonzalez endures another setback in rehab
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/miguel-gonzalez-endures-another-rehab-setback/c-283515216
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(http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/547989.jpg)
After a terrific May, José Abreu has had an awful June. A hitting line of .211/.250/.367 and a OPS of .617.
Is he hurt or just in a long slump?
http://m.mlb.com/player/547989/jose-abreu?year=2018&stats=splits-r-hitting-mlb
http://m.mlb.com/player/547989/jose-abreu
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Word around the campfire is that Bruce Rondon will be DFA'd today and Jeanmar Gomez is getting the call up.
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Bruce Rodon has been horrific lately.
Hamilton has pitched well enough for a call up, but it would be stupid to throw away service time.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/white-sox-designate-bruce-rondon-select-jeanmar-gomez.html
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(https://i.imgur.com/qLFu5JM.jpg)
Sounds like Miguel González's time pitching for the White Sox is over:
https://www.mlb.com/news/miguel-gonzalez-undergoes-shoulder-surgery/c-285361742
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/white-soxs-miguel-gonzalez-out-9-to-12-months-after-surgery/
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1020745397961207809
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Thinking of options:
Fulmer drafted in 15.
Sox blew an option in 16 when they brought him up for a very short time during year.
Sox blew an option in 17 when they sent him down at beginning of year.
Sox used an option in 18 when they sent him down - this would have been the first used option on a team with brains in the front office.
Usually a team only has 3 player options. I believe there's an exception that idiot teams can use = if a player doesn't have 5 yrs under his belt, majors & minors, the team gets a 4th option.
Right?
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Usually a team only has 3 player options. I believe there's an exception that idiot teams can use = if a player doesn't have 5 yrs under his belt, majors & minors, the team gets a 4th option.
Right?
correct.
see: http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/minor-league-options
If a player misses an entire option year due to injury or expends his third option year before he has completed five professional seasons (Major Leagues and Minor Leagues included), he can receive a fourth option year.
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So, who gets called up to fill the spot in the Bullpen?
I guess Hamilton.
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Volstad DFA'd
Danish & Vieira called up
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Shouldn’t that be D’dFA?
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/white-sox-designate-chris-volstad-for-assignment.html
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VIEIRA SUCKS!
No, really he blows. He's been God Awful at Charlotte, they're simply mesmerized by his velocity.
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VIEIRA SUCKS!
No, really he blows. He's been God Awful at Charlotte, they're simply mesmerized by his velocity.
I agree. I am not a fan thus far.
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Shouldn’t that be D’dFA?
No. I treat "DFA" like it is a word. Also, it's "RBIs", not "R'sBI".
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Vieira comes in, gives up a double, hits 2 consecutive batters then corks a wild pitch.
About what anyone with a brain would expect.
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Apparently he checked all of Rick Hahn's boxes to be called up >:(
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I think it was to help Charlotte
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Davidson should move to the bullpen; he's got great stuff (heh). Thus, Palka can be the DH, and then you have room to bring up Eloy.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1025121095312187398
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Hating on White Sox management has been a personal struggle for me for the last 26 years.
All the grief one might want to give JR for his failures... this is why he is worthy of loyalty. Proud to be a sox fan for how they have handled this.
https://www.facebook.com/WhiteSox/videos/10157839387973298/
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roster move for the return of Leury from the DL?
(https://i.imgur.com/wegkzga.jpg)
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Fantastic piece, well worth the read. Yes, "7 is better than 6", but there is a lot more to it than that.
https://www.southsidesox.com/2018/8/21/17755596/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-promotions-michael-kopech-chicago-white-sox
Who cares about the extra year of team control the White Sox would likely gain from warehousing Jiménez and Kopech in the minors until late April? Let’s be realistic. It’s really just a negotiating chip. If there’s one thing that everyone agrees that Rick Hahn is good at, it’s signing guys to long-term deals that buy out free agent years.
In other words, when we hear “what about 2025,” it really should be “what about 2027 or 2028.” If you have enough trust in Hahn as a general manager, you should trust that he’ll flex his one indisputable skill and sign these guys (assuming their performance merits it) to deals that buy out free agent year(s). And now we’re talking about past prime years.
Sure, if the White Sox only have control for six years instead of seven, the guaranteed money in such a deal will have to be larger. But we’re probably talking in the range of perhaps $10 million guaranteed per player, $45 million instead of $35 million, and that’s high side. And, sure, the team option year(s) will be for more money, but that’s really one of those “good” problems, as those would have been free agency years regardless.
And $10 million over multiple years, and far in the (baseball) future, is nothing.
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That article is idiotic. Sale & Q have lost a ton of money by signing those long term low salary contracts. No agent worth his salt is going to make that mistake again. Those contracts only make any sense with pitchers as they have a high incidence of injuries - they provide insurance against devastating injury. A young position player would never sign such a contract. Hahn has never signed a position player to such a contract.
The idiot who wrote that article doesn't understand that the issue really isn't about money - it's about team control. If Eloy turns out to be an All-Star caliber player he'll become a free agent, like Moncada at 28, not even close to "past prime years." And then what happens? The author of that piece just assumes the Sox will be able to out bid the Yankees, the Dodgers etc.
What incredible stupidity! We have to accept the fact that the Sox aren't one of the high income teams in the league. Delusional fans think it's just about some billionaire owner forking out extra money so who cares. What brain damaged cognitive folly! The ownership group of the Sox doesn't make money on the team & they don't expect to, they just don't expect to lose money.
Jesus Blackie, I can't believe you fell for such shocking stupidity.
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José Abreu going to the DL - sounds like a hernia. No word on his roster replacement:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1032087448099143680
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Keep on keeping' on, Willie.
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Sorry Bill. Hahn is incredibly smart, knows what he is doing. Maybe doesn’t work out but I’ll trust his judgement over the ramblings of someone here
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Yeah, the Samardzija trade was good because we had the opportunity to sign him long term!
No, he already indicated to the cubs & As that he was hitting the free agent market.
But if delusions make you feel better, have at it.
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That was Kenny
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No, it was everybody on this stupid board - I remember tearing my hair out at the time over the insanity.
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“Willie”. Snicker
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Sam trade, Shields trade... lots of those type of deals in our recent past.
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Sam trade, Shields trade... lots of those type of deals in our recent past.
Samardiza did not pan out, but we did not give up much. Phegley, meh. Bassitt hurt all the time, Ravelo is maybe out of baseball and Semien is a good player but Anderson has better ceiling but had some learning to do.
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None of the guys panned out... but it was org depth... and we didnt need to expend it on Sam... Shields... the guy we gave up is now #3 prospect in baseball as a 19 year old.
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They just could not quite believe we were out of contention. Sam trade I can see why they tried. Shields was bad, we were toast and no way he was going to help it, but no one believed at that time Tatis was this good. Still a bad trade but **** happens.
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Enjoy that extra year of Eloy, because after that, he gone.
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Enjoy that extra year of Eloy, because after that, he gone.
No kidding, kid has earned it, call him up although now is likely too late to prevent hurt feelings.
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If the rebuild lives up to its hype, and its a winning ball club and we offer the $$$ he will sign.
BTW when is the last time we kept a someone from leaving in FA that was a hitter? Carlos Lee? Mags? FT?
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Enjoy that extra year of Eloy, because after that, he gone.
No kidding, kid has earned it, call him up although now is likely too late to prevent hurt feelings.
Hurt feelings today don't necessarily linger for seven years. If that were true, the Cubs should trade Bryant soon since Theo did the same to him to ensure 7 years of control.
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The Cubs Model shouldn't be Our Model; the Sox do business differently than the Coob. Goodwill and Contracts-Through-Arbitration-+1 have served us well. I don't recall any Board Outrage when Sale was called up in August 2010.
In any event, it's just one Sox fan's opinion that they f*cked this up.
BTW, where's the outrage over blowing a year of Hamilton's service time? :)
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Come on Blackie. Had to get Hamilton and Burr together.
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Thank you Blackie.
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The odds are good that 7 years from now any pitcher we call up today will have arm trouble.
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...and, in the last 15 seasons, you can probably count on one hand the total number of "good-to-great" relief pitchers who have spent their entire first seven major league seasons with their original team.
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pitchers are definitely a different category.
And there's the age factor - Burr 24, Hamilton 23, Eloy 21. Eloy's agent wants him to become a FA at 27.
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Sox call up Bummer and Bill's guy Frare; Nate Jones to the 60-Man.
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Sox call up Bummer and Bill's guy Frare; Nate Jones to the 60-Man.
Expect Welington Castillo to back with the team when Charlotte's season ends as his 80-game PED suspension has ended.
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supposedly Jose Ruiz is getting called up tomorrow. Another audition.
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Pete is not going to like reading this blurb
• Palka now ranks second for most home runs by a left-handed hitting White Sox rookie with 21. Pete Ward hit 22 in 1963
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Outlaw Pete?
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supposedly Jose Ruiz is getting called up tomorrow. Another audition.
The 40-man roster is full and Ruiz isn't on it. So in order to promote Ruiz to the major league club either Abreu or Leury must be transferred from the 10-day DL to the 60-day DL or someone else currently on the 40-man roster gets moved (traded/released/DFA/outrighted).
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Enjoy that extra year of Eloy, because after that, he gone.
If he's the superstar we all hope he is, he'll be gone anyway to whichever team throws the most money at him. He wouldn't care about loyalty to the Sox, only to whomever shows him the money so forgive me for not sharing in the outrage. See you in 2019, Eloy.
And thanks, Theo! ;)
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Come on Blackie. Had to get Hamilton and Burr together.
Where's the Like button on this thing...
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supposedly Jose Ruiz is getting called up tomorrow. Another audition.
The 40-man roster is full and Ruiz isn't on it. So in order to promote Ruiz to the major league club either Abreu or Leury must be transferred from the 10-day DL to the 60-day DL or someone else currently on the 40-man roster gets moved (traded/released/DFA/outrighted).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmRTj1YXsAIGk25.jpg
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Kopeck needs Tommy John surgery. >:(
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I told you he was snakebit.
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Never seen a run of injuries like this
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http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24608870/michael-kopech-chicago-white-sox-torn-ucl-expected-miss-2019-season
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It happened because Kopeck cut his hair. Wonder if Old Jerry made him do it?
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he'll be racking up service time the whole time he's on the DL, because he's on the major league roster. wonderful.
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(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/168542/168542-11639161Fr.jpg) (https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/8664/8664-494450Fr.jpg)
See what can happen when you promote a top prospect to the majors in late August instead of waiting until mid-April of the next year. If Kopech's season ended on Labor Day with Charlotte, this probably doesn't happen.
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this probably doesn't happen.
Even if it would have happened either way, at least the Sox wouldn't be losing an entire year of control for him to be in rehab. Now they lose a whole year for the handful of innings he got in the major leagues this year. Just a horrible setback all the way around now.
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this probably doesn't happen
I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure if the UCL is going to go, it's going to go at some point. If not now, then next spring. Pete Ward, is that right?
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Yep
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the score has a baseball show every Sunday morning & today they were relentless in blasting the Sox for calling up Kopech.
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Of course they were. Morons
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It was an economically poor choice, and its possible his UCL would have gotten better over the off-season. Tanaka has been pitching on strings for a long time now.
It just seems like a really poor choice right now due to the fact that we'll only have him for 4ish full years... he will not be back till 2020, and will be on an innings cap that year. As he's on the major league DL he will accumulate service time throughout his DL stay.
Blackie probably thinks its karma for keeping eloy down.
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:"Palka now ranks second for most home runs by a left-handed hitting White Sox rookie with 21. Pete Ward hit 22 in 1963"
If Palka ended up second in ROY voting like I did, I wouldn't care about the homeruns
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"I'm no doctor, but I'm pretty sure if the UCL is going to go, it's going to go at some point. If not now, then next spring. Pete Ward, is that right?"
Not sure. I specialize in the right UCL and this is a left one.
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:"Palka now ranks second for most home runs by a left-handed hitting White Sox rookie with 21. Pete Ward hit 22 in 1963"
If Palka ended up second in ROY voting like I did, I wouldn't care about the homeruns
Good stuff
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Not sure. I specialize in the right UCL and this is a left one.
Heh.
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Blackie probably thinks its karma for keeping eloy down.
I just file this under "**** Happens".
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Speaking of Palka
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Wish I could come up with a good nickname for him.
Beer Barrel Palka? Lame.
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Nerko
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I wonder about the call ups of Cordell & Scahill. I don't think either will stay on the 40 after the season ends.
Are they just being nice?
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Yes, for Scahill maybe they are trying to get him enough time to go with what he had and make him pension eligible? Cordell they want to check out, they think he could be something
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Cordell was something, but this year he got hurt & missed most of the year & hit .239 at Charlotte. He turns 27 next March. I don't see him as a Rule 5 candidate or sought after as a minor league FA.
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I'm surprised they added Scahill to the 40-man AND outrighted Tyler Danish to Charlotte. You would think that a 24-year old former 2nd round pick (Danish) would get the nod over a 31-year old minor league free agent signee (Scahill). Especially when you see that Danish had better numbers than Scahill in Charlotte.
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Yes, for Scahill maybe they are trying to get him enough time to go with what he had and make him pension eligible?
The post-1980 collective-bargaining agreement allowed eligibility for a lifelong pension after only 43 game days on a Major League roster. The current minimum benefit is $34,000 a year; the maximum is $220,000. MLB players contribute zero dollars to their pension fund.
They also qualify for free lifetime health insurance after only one day on a MLB roster.
Scahill entered the season with 2 years and 139 days of MLB service time.
http://www.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/bhb/eng/mlb-0f0-pension-print.pdf
https://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-nhl-nba-mlb-retirement-pension-plans-lockout-2011-1
https://notanotherbaseballblog.wordpress.com/2016/10/26/m/
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Fun reading this thread tonight. Seems like old times.
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https://thekzonenews.com/2018/07/30/caleb-frare-chasing-the-southpaw-lion/
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That picture of the Montana mountains they chose is actually from the Canadian Rockies. Moraine Lake; used to be on the back of their twenty dollar bill
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Avisail Garcia to have knee surgery after end of White Sox season
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/09/avisail-garcia-to-undergo-knee-surgery.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-avisail-garcia-knee-surgery-20180925-story.html#
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WTF?
https://sports.yahoo.com/fiancee-white-sox-pitcher-take-breakup-public-first-mlb-start-153203626.html
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The White Sox right now have the third worst record in MLB (62-98). However both the Marlins and the Tigers can possibly drop lower than them in the standings if the White Sox win the next two games. A loss today or tomorrow will guarantee the White Sox the number three pick in next June's draft. Best case scenario is a loss tonight to the Twinkies to secure the overall #3 pick and a win tomorrow to avoid a 100-loss season.
edited to add: Technically if the White Sox win their next two games while the Tigers lose their next two, the Tigers can only tie the White Sox in the standings. However the Tigers would receive the better draft position since the tiebreaker is "worse record the previous season" which last year was the Tigers.
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SOX SET MLB RECORD FOR Ks IN A SEASON. (1,594)
Moncada led the majors. So glad he had nothing to learn in the minors.
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Not sure how I missed this (days-old news) and sorry if this was already posted, but...
Kevan Smith: he gone
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/angels-claim-kevan-smith-waivers-white-sox.html
Also, three more removed from the 40-man, outright to Charlotte:
https://www.southsidesox.com/2018/10/26/18031118/white-sox-trim-four-from-roster-kevan-smith-ryan-lamarre-rob-scahill-danny-farquhar
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Signing Wellington Castillo turned out to be a mistake. Angels made a nice pick-up with Kevan.
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Yes. Not sure how we let that happen.
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Item #2 on this list will make most here happy. However I wouldn't be surprised if he's re-signed later to a contract at about $7 million for 2019. The injury to Kopech and the failure of many starting pitcher prospects (Fulmer, Hanson, etc.) to make the next jump in their development may force the White Sox to do it.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1056996918964957184
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40-Man Roster Decisions: Players Eligible for the 2018 Rule 5 Draft
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2018/11/40-man-roster-decisions-players-eligible-for-the-2018-rule-5-draft/
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Some tough choices.
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White Sox reveal quiet contract extension for manager Rick Renteria
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-rick-renteria-extension-20181106-story.html
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Question on Kopech.
Had he not been injured, he would have been on the opening roster in 2019 and we would have had him for 2019 through 2024. When he comes back in 2020, can we delay his comeback until late April and then have him under control through 2025 and still have him for 6 years?
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Because Kopech got hurt while on the ML roster the whole time he's out will count as ML service time. So if he's out all of 2019 that's 1 yr of ML service time the Sox lose on him.
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Read that 40 roster article. I'd put on the 40 all 6 of those guy listed as a high risk of being taken in the Rule 5 - Cordell is the obvious guy to take off the current roster.
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Because Kopech got hurt while on the ML roster the whole time he's out will count as ML service time. So if he's out all of 2019 that's 1 yr of ML service time the Sox lose on him.
Thanks Bill, but that wasn't quite my question, I knew 2019 would count as service time. My question was that if he was still healthy now, and we kept him down next year (2019) and brought him up in May of 2019 would he have had 6 years starting with 2020?
If so, now that he isn't healthy and we lost a year of service time, can we basically get it back by not bringing him back in 2020 until May of 2020, so the year 2020 won't count as a full year? If so then we could still have 5 years after 2020 and onluy lose April of 2020.
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juan
Yes. As soon as Kopech recovers from the surgery and is healthy, they can activate him and then reassign him to the minors to try to delay his free agency date. He was credited with 41 days of service time for 2018. So he needs 50+ days of minor league non-rehab assignment in the next few years to delay his potential free agency by a year. IIRC, this must be done before a player accumulates 3 full years of MLB service time as a player with 3 years of service time cannot be optioned to the minors without his permission. That's in the current MLB CBA which expires after the 2021 season.
http://www.mlbplayers.com/pdf9/5450407.pdf
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juan
Yes. As soon as Kopech recovers from the surgery and is healthy, they can activate him and then reassign him to the minors to try to delay his free agency date. He was credited with 41 days of service time for 2018. So he needs 50+ days of minor league non-rehab assignment in the next few years to delay his potential free agency by a year. IIRC, this must be done before a player accumulates 3 full years of MLB service time as a player with 3 years of service time cannot be optioned to the minors without his permission. That's in the current MLB CBA which expires after the 2021 season.
http://www.mlbplayers.com/pdf9/5450407.pdf
I do appreciate all these things that you know or know how to look up Andy. I have a hard time keeping up on some of them. Good question however by Juan too.
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Deadline To Set 40-Man Rosters Before Rule 5 Draft Is Tonight
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/deadline-to-set-40-man-rosters-before-rule-5-draft-is-tonight.html
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Good site to bookmark as there is lots of info there:
https://www.rosterresource.com/mlb-chicago-white-sox/
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I count 38 on the 40 roster. Manny Banuelos & Ryan Cordell have no business being on the 40.
Sox cut Kevan Smith & didn't protect Thompson or Adams so they could protect bums like Banuelos & Cordell AND keep 2 empty spots open for the rule 5 draft?
Sox need a new GM.
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Projecting Payrolls: Chicago White Sox
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/white-sox-payroll-2019.html
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Going to be interesting to see what Hahn can pull off this winter.
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White Sox willing to spend for improvements
Club plotting more aggressive approach to Winter Meetings
https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-look-to-be-aggressive-at-meetings/c-301685510
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Something to keep in mind...
https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2018/12/13/comcast-could-easily-write-check-for-bryce-harpers-white-sox-contract
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So whaddaya think... do you believe the Sox' vow not be outbid on "da-both-of-dem" (chicago-speak)?
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Source?
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Source = mostly hearsay and conjecture. Heard someone on the radio mention it, someone else said they saw a tweet, etc.
Just makes me wonder if Sox Brass crunched the numbers regarding the new TV deal, and figured whatever they pay those two guys, their appeal and impact on Sox interest will increase the TV dollars enough to make it worth it. The timing is just so interesting... wonder if Sox Brass were thinking about this three years ago when Jerry agreed to do the rebuild... save a ton of money for a few years and then set yourself up to maximize the new TV deal (knowing that the Cubs were going to bail) by spending silly amounts of money on superstars (and being in a position to do so).
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Makes tons of sense. They could sign both and still have room. I prefer Machado if he comes to play
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Source = mostly hearsay and conjecture. Heard someone on the radio mention it, someone else said they saw a tweet, etc.
Just makes me wonder if Sox Brass crunched the numbers regarding the new TV deal, and figured whatever they pay those two guys, their appeal and impact on Sox interest will increase the TV dollars enough to make it worth it. The timing is just so interesting... wonder if Sox Brass were thinking about this three years ago when Jerry agreed to do the rebuild... save a ton of money for a few years and then set yourself up to maximize the new TV deal (knowing that the Cubs were going to bail) by spending silly amounts of money on superstars (and being in a position to do so).
Where is the like button ??!!???!!
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Something is very wrong.
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Do you sense a disturbance in the space-time continuum?
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(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/149814/149814-9716444Fr.jpg)
White Sox Designate Charlie Tilson For Assignment
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/white-sox-designate-charlie-tilson-for-assignment.html
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keeping Cordell over Tilson is baffling
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keeping Cordell over Tilson is baffling
No freaking way. Cordell has a small shot, Tilson never had a prayer.
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Tilson cleared waivers, so no issue.
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Broadcast schedule is set.
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Welp, Sox Brass totally f*cking blew a once-in-a-lifetime chance to gain real relevance, and then KW piles on by being tone deaf and saying stupid sh*t. What a bunch of maroons.
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really bad. Harpers AAV is 14th highest in the league. Phillies basically deferred 75 million from first 10 years into the last 3 of the contract.
overpay for dallas K coming up.
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https://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/bryce-harpers-hsjuco-scouting-report-unveiled
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I said not to do this, but now I am. If, say... Ozzie Guillen is our manager I think we have a better chance of landing Machado.
I know, Juan says I am racist for not loving Renteria.
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Doubtful. He went with the guaranteed money
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We would have had a better chance at landing Machado if Sox Brass offered him the $300 million everyone knew he wanted. Instead, they tried to be cute.
I am still extremely disappointed in the way Sox Brass handled this. They clearly could have afforded the $65 mil it would have taken to get both Machado and Harper, and as we are seeing with the Phillies, the additional tickets sales and game day revenue is probably going to cover half of Harper's salary this year.
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Yeah, the money is there.
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Yep.
—Annoyed Loveland
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If Moncada takes a step forward with the bat, nobody misses Machado. Madrigal is coming at 2B and Robert is coming for the OF.
I still feel like signing Adam Jones to a 2-3 year deal as a bridge to guys like Rutherford would be wise.
I'm not buying in on Palka (.570 OPS against LH) and Jay shouldn't even beat out Engel. Engel's defense >>> Jay's slightly better bat.
Alonso can't hit LH any better than Palka can.
If you want a more expensive "name", add it to the rotation. There's a real argument Lopez might be our best starter. Rodon has had spurts, but nothing more.
Giolito and Fulmer have looked like washouts. The rotation keeps us from being competitive, no matter who we have in the lineup.
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I think no doubt they are going to need to sign a very good pitcher. Or two
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And Jones signs for 1 yr, 3 mil with Arizona.
Now THAT pisses me off.
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Extension for Eloy. 8 years,$100 mil
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Wow. That is great news.
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Guess it is not done deal but would be grear
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Jeff Passan is reporting a deal is "near". Rumored to be 8 years.
If so, what was the point of keeping him down in the minors last year, when he clearly deserved to be promoted?
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Six years guaranteed for $43 million, with two team options that could make it 8-years, $77 million.
No reason to play the service time game anymore.
Now they look silly for sending Eloy to minor league camp last week.
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Six years guaranteed for $43 million, with two team options that could make it 8-years, $77 million.
No reason to play the service time game anymore.
Now they look silly for sending Eloy to minor league camp last week.
...or that was the push that Eloy and his agent needed to agree to a long term deal.
BTW, unless his starts hitting (his current spring training numbers are .154/.154/.346), I wouldn't be surprised if Eloy starts the season in Charlotte. He's not a proven veteran where spring training numbers are meaningless.
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Stupid. Two in the majors...
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What is stupid?
Eloy with big day. He’ll be in LF next Thursday in KC
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Getting Eloy locked up is good. We did same thing with Sale.
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Opening Day roster set. Cordell made it, Jay on the DL.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-roster-set-opening-day-and-yes-eloy-jimenez-it-breakdown
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Getting Eloy locked up is good. We did same thing with Sale.
....and Quintana and Anderson.
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Getting Eloy locked up is good. We did same thing with Sale.
....and Quintana and Anderson.
Eaton
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I’m so excited to learn we are trying grab an offensive mirage in the outfield while Engle and his glove sit. Season starting well!
Phhhhhbbbbbtt!
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an offensive mirage
That was the title of my fourth album.
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an offensive mirage
That was the title of my fourth album.
heh
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I see Fernando Tatis Jr. went 2 fer 3 for the Padres
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Covey sent down, Hamilton off DL & optioned. Ruiz stays.
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I am getting sick and tired of looking at Eloy fail when Delmonico and his spark are in Charlotte.
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I am getting sick and tired of looking at Eloy Palka fail when Delmonico and his spark are in Charlotte.
Fixed.
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That too.
Jimenez can thank me for his 3 for whatever day.
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Any options left on Palka. He really needs to get his **** together at AAA.
Anyone know ANYTHING on John Jay?
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We have 1/3 of a big league OF. Robert here next year but need a RFer
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Wish Rutherford would step up his game, he is about a year younger than the norm at AA, but he needs to start hitting. Gonzalez at AA is also a good guess.
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Still have hope for the Micker
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about f'n time:
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Giolioto placed on IL; Fulmer, Cordell recalled
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/lucas-giolito-goes-on-injured-list
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Sox DFA Santana, Eloy off bereavement list.
Santana never should have started the yr with the Sox. He needed to work on his comeback at Charlotte & earn a spot on the major league roster.
Completely mishandled.
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Eloy (ankle), Nate Jones (elbow) on injured list
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/eloy-jimenez-placed-on-injured-list
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I absolutely hate Vieira, I think he has no chance of any success.
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Dylan Covey back up, don't know corresponding move.
I guess Burr is on the DL.
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Has Jones ever pitched a complete season without getting injured?
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Has Jones ever pitched a complete season without getting injured?
Not that I know of, seems like he is always hurt.
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I absolutely hate Vieira, I think he has no chance of any success.
Rick Hahn heard you:
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Good, Marshall at least has a chance, Vieira not so much.
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didn't know we had a spot open on the 40 roster.
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Well that didn't last long:
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picks up the win in G2, then this...
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Man, I'm about done with Rodon. Added to the IL with elbow inflammation. The guy just can't stay healthy. Hope whenever he comes back he can put up some really good starts and maybe trade him for something, anything at this point.
What a disappointment.
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He probably needs TJ surgery.
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Rodon to IL with potentially serious elbow injury
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/carlos-rodon-placed-on-injured-list
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Should have signed Gio González when he was available.
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Looks like Palka will return from Charlotte tomorrow. Only bullpen pitcher options are Jordan Stephens, Ian Hamilton or Thyago Vieira unless there is a change on the 40-man roster. Carson Fulmer & Jose Ruiz can't be recalled yet unless someone goes on the DL as they need to spend 10 days in the minors before they can be recalled. Vieira can be recalled before the 10-day period since Rodon went on the DL after he was demoted. Only other pitcher already on the 40-man roster is Dylan Cease. I'm okay with them bringing him for a few starts. Do it now Kenny & Rick!
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Palka ain't hitting at Charlotte.
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I think Tilson and Schryver from Birm
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Neither of those guys is on the 40 roster & the 40 is filled up - we actually have more than 40 because the guys on the 60 day IL don't count during the season.
I'd like to bring up Tilson, he's earned it, but you'd have to designate someone.
Little too early on Schryver, plus we have enough LHPs in the pen.
Hamilyon's utter implosion REALLY is killing us right now.
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I think Tilson and Schryver from Birm
Neither of them are on the current 40-man roster so two guys would need to be dropped.
http://m.mlb.com/cws/roster/40-man/
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maybe Burr is ready to come off the IL.
We already have 2 minor league FAs on the 25 roster - Osich & Marshall & Minaya was called up despite stinking bad at AAA. The pen is a disaster right now.
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Glad to see Tilson back, he was leading Charlotte in hitting. Sorry to hear that Jones' injury is so severe.
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Carlos Rodón to have Tommy John surgery this week
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/carlos-rodon-to-have-tommy-john-surgery
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Nate Jones and Micker Adolfo also done for the year:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-spt-white-sox-carlos-rodon-nate-jones-surgery-20190513-story.html
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/white-soxs-micker-adolfo-slated-for-season-ending-surgery/
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the above three injuries opens up two spots on the 40-man roster.
Jones was already on the 60-day IL & Carlos Rodón and Micker Adolfo was soon be added to it too.
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Looks like Eloy will be back tomorrow:
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I absolutely hate Vieira, I think he has no chance of any success.
Like an infestation of ants in your lawn, you can never completely get rid of him:
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Heh, good one Andy
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So much for the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Machado and Harper not being signed...
9. Anderson can hit for average, flash his glove, flip his bat, lead his team, donate $500 per stolen base, be courteous to fans and the only appropriate response throughout baseball should be admiration for a terrific young athlete maturing before our eyes. For fun, compare Anderson’s statistics at Memorial Day to Manny Machado’s: Anderson .337/.369/.506 with eight home runs and 26 RBIs; Machado .267/.349/.440 with nine home runs and 26 RBIs.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-cubs-white-sox-20-thoughts-20190528-story.html
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Still way early
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looks like Welington Castillo will return from the IL tomorrow:
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Giolito, Story named Players of Week
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/lucas-giolito-trevor-story-earn-player-of-week-award
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Giolito, Ryu rebound to snag May pitcher honors
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/pitchers-of-the-month-giolito-ryu
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...and don't expect Dylan Cease to be brought to take Covey's spot in the rotation later this week. Benetti + Stone said that's not the plan. They said to expect Cease after the All-Star break. Possible call up to the rotation is 32-year old RHP Odrisamer Despaigne from Charlotte which would require a 40-man roster move.
http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=t494&player_id=628333#/career/R/pitching/2019/ALL
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Cease only lasted 2/3 of an inning today.
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Cease only lasted 2/3 of an inning today.
Pulled him after 40 pitches, they will pull a kid who throws 40 pitches in an inning. Reliever gave up a 2 run single, so he gave up 4 earned runs.
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Despaigne kind of looks like Method Man
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How about giving Kyle Kubat a shot? He's 26 and doing well at B-ham.
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How about giving Kyle Kubat a shot? He's 26 and doing well at B-ham.
Bill Sharp had to resort to pulling teeth to get them to promote him back up to the Barons. They have not treated the kid the best, but I also think he has been pitching to the best of his ability. Not sure that translates to the Bigs. I am cheering for him though. Despaigne has been really decent since he got the shot.
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Despaigne called up. Fry 10 day disabled. Delmonico cut. (Don't tell Love).
I didn't even know Delmonico just had shoulder surgery. How'd he get hurt?
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Out of the 3 vets we got at Charlotte (Detwiler, Despaigne & Nicolino) I think I'd like to see what Nicolino has to offer.
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Fry goes on IL; Despaigne called for start
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jace-fry-injured-list-odrisamer-despaigne-recalled
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Delmonico, 26, underwent season-ending surgery on May 30 to repair the labrum in his left shoulder.
pretty crappy move to release him after surgery. NickyD was well liked by the players in the White Sox clubhouse. Could have just re-called him and then placed him on the 60-day IL to create a spot on the 40-man roster. He then could have gotten rehab with the ML club and accumulated more ML service time. Then just non-tender him in November if they had no interest in bringing him back.
On the day the Red Sox chartered a MedVac jet to transport a RETIRED player to Boston to get better medical treatment, the White Sox release an injured player on their 40-man roster. Looks bush league.
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Thought I heard some rumbling about him not being happy at being sent down and he hurt himself somehow.
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Can't they re-sign him to a minor league deal? Maybe they are letting him explore options first.
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Well, he's not getting paid like he would if he was on the DL/IL. No one will sign him until he recovers & he's out for the yr. They could have put him on the 60 day IL & then let him become a FA in the off season.
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Thought I heard some rumbling about him not being happy at being sent down and he hurt himself somehow.
He looked like a guy who was just along for the ride. And btw, the retired Red Sock is David friggin Ortiz who was shot. No comparison
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And btw, the retired Red Sock is David friggin Ortiz who was shot. No comparison
Yup
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Leaving him on the 60 day would also atleast allow him to accrue service time. He must have pissed someone off... Hope we were not that cheap.
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Delmonico, 26, underwent season-ending surgery on May 30 to repair the labrum in his left shoulder.
pretty crappy move to release him after surgery. NickyD was well liked by the players in the White Sox clubhouse. Could have just re-called him and then placed him on the 60-day IL to create a spot on the 40-man roster. He then could have gotten rehab with the ML club and accumulated more ML service time. Then just non-tender him in November if they had no interest in bringing him back.
On the day the Red Sox chartered a MedVac jet to transport a RETIRED player to Boston to get better medical treatment, the White Sox release an injured player on their 40-man roster. Looks bush league.
I read that this was only a plus for Nicky because the Sox are going to let him come back to Charlotte if he accepts, leaving him in no worse position than he was before the release. But now he has the added option to explore any other team.
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Some plus, while his shoulder heals & he recovers he has no income.
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No income... no time towards MLB pension. it really is a **** poor move if the idea was to give him a chance to go back to charlotte...
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Zack Collins getting called up.
I am hoping it means Yonder Alonzo is being DFA'd, but it's probably because Castillo is going on the IL.
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what other team promotes .250 hitting minor leaguers?
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he will always be a low BA, high OBP player... lets see what he can do.
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Methods post deserves a like. Lets see what he can do, no big expectations on my part. A guy with a good eye should do well with better umps.
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I never like anything. Just reminding...
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Yeah, why not have him take Yonder Alonso's ABs, at the very least?
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Another one bites the dust:
Banuelos goes to the IL w/ shoulder inflammation; Fulmer called up
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When John Jay gets called up could we please, please cut Yonder Alonzo?
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Time to cut bait on Alonzo as well.
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Transactions:
6/20/19 - The Chicago White Sox signed free agent LHP Hector Santiago to a minor league contract.
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Time to cut bait on Alonzo as well.
Can they do it during the game?
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hear Tim Anderson has high ankle sprain & needs to be put on DL/IL.
I'd like the Sox to call up ex-Royal Alcides Escobar or even Ryan Goins - someone we can take off the 40 later.
The problem is the 40 is full & there are no infielders on the 40 we can call up.
This is a problem caused by the stupidity of the front office when they unnecessarily called up Zach Collins requiring him to be put on the 40 before he needed to be 40 rostered. It was an incredibly short sighted move. Absolutely no reason to fill the 40 & handcuff your future moves for the season.
(It's better to leave someone off the 40 (Basabe, Adolfo) leaving them exposed to the Rule 5 draft because so few stick with the MLB club a full season opposed to taking someone off the 40 which just requires a team to make a waiver claim like we did with Jimmy Cordero recently. The Collins case is just so stupid because we weren't faced with a Rule 5 reason to roster him)
So what will our idiot management do? Maybe put a guy like Ian Hamilton on the 60 IL retroactive to when he 1st went on the 7 day IL. But for all we know he may be ready to play.
Otherwise we will have to take someone off the 40 & expose him to a simple waiver claim (Kevan Smith).
We really have the dumbest front office in baseball.
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Cannot put a player on the 60 day list if they are not playing in the majors I thought.
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Can't they just DFA Alonso or Castillo?
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quick search says Mn's right, minor leaguers only put on 7 day DL.
Guess Leury can switch to short & Cordell/Tilson in CF every day with Jay in right.
With Moncada hurt & Yolmer sick the situation is close to critical, the guys on the radio during today's game were talking about Abreu playing 3rd.
Sox management are real dumb bells, they seem incapable of rational thinking
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Alonso underlying metrics are all in like w his career... He just has a really low babip... Way to low for his batted ball data....
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One would think so. Who cares if it pisses off Manny Machado, was a stupid move in the first place.
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here's what we've all been asking for.........
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White Sox to DFA Yonder Alonso
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/06/white-sox-to-designate-yonder-alonso-for-assignment.html
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/yonder-alonso-designated-for-assignment
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2019/6/27/18761615/white-sox-designate-yonder-alonso-for-assignment
https://www.dailyherald.com/sports/20190627/report-white-sox-cut-ties-with-yonder-alonso
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-white-sox-yonder-alonso-trade-deadline-20190627-d3nmbffdinayla2piurel6nlzi-story.html
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Maybe Machado went to Padres cause he new Yonder was a terrible player?
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Buried in the Sox notes in today's Tribune:
In other injury news, Sox pitcher Ryan Burr and Double-A Birmingham pitcher Jimmy Lambert underwent Tommy John elbow surgery last week. Triple-A Charlotte pitcher Ian Hamilton was hit by a liner while in the dugout and suffered multiple facial fractures. He’ll miss the rest of the season.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1145366821165588481
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/dylan-cease-to-debut-for-white-sox
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1145487428423225344
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Grumble grumble rush up prospects grumble grumble.
Let's see how he does. Might be just a spot start. Hope he runs w it.
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Not a spot start. They intend for him to be part of the rotation moving forward. Suspect they'll have an innings limit for him.
Of course, he'll probably need Tommy John after a month anyway, so at least we'll get to enjoy watching him for a few games...
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He already had TJ surgery
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You can have it more than once. Jace Fry can tell you that.
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the Reed call up is more evidence of the stupidity of Sox management.
It's amazing how actual performance in the minors means little to nothing to the Sox brass.
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Zack Collins struck out in 54% of his at bats. LOL! Nice burn of an option.
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Really? Who cares?
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Eloy Jimenez headed to IL for second time, with elbow injury
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2019/7/16/20697155/eloy-jimenez-exits-white-sox-game-with-apparent-shoulder-injury
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I think Collins already used his option for the year when he was sent down to AAA during Spring Training, so bringing him up didn't affect anything. I think that's how it works.
Eloy needs some serious defensive coaching. Cripes, bring in a specialist to coach him if no one on the staff can do it.
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I think Collins already used his option for the year when he was sent down to AAA during Spring Training, so bringing him up didn't affect anything. I think that's how it works.
Incorrect. Option years start AFTER a player is placed on the 40-man roster. Collins wasn't on the 40-man list until his promotion to the White Sox in mid-June. This was THE worst move by Sox management this year. Promoted him and didn't play him while they had another catcher already on the 40-man roster they could have recalled (Seby Zavala). They prematurely blew both a 40-man roster spot and an option year on Zack Collins and then hindered his development by not playing him. Dumb move that could have easily been avoided.
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nope, Blackie, Collins wasn't on the 40 this spring, didn't get put on the 40 till a couple of weeks ago.
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BillSharp, master of brevity.
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Meh, if Collins cannot make this team in 2 years then he is worse than I think he is.
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but **** with the 40 creates problems.
Eloy on IL, I'd like to put L. Garcia back in center & call up Escobar or Goins - they're vets who would stabilize the shaky infield play, but they're not on the 40 - so Engel or Palka who are on the 40 will likely be called up instead.
screwing up the 40 just limits options.
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read that Goins called up. I figure 44 on the 40 with 4 on 60 day DL/IL.
Goins deserves the call up he's been the Charlotte MVP this yr. He's played mostly 2nd, some shortstop.
Don't care that he's not a prospect. He earned the call up.
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Eloy is made of glass.
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three days too late for Eloy:
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down to three outfielders on the active 25-man roster, so they nedd to replace Tilson with someone who can play in the outfield. OFers on the current 40-man roster are: Micker Adolfo, Luis Alexander Basabe, Adam Engel and Daniel Palka. Adolfo is out for the season and the rest aren't a better option than Tilson. So it looks like it's Engel/Palka or they're going to have to make another 40-man roster move. Drop Micker from the 40-man or promote him and then place him on the 60-day IL? That would create a spot for Luis Robert.
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Luis Robert & Daniel Palka are in the lineup tonight for Charlotte. Adam Engel isn't. Expecting Engel to rejoin the White Sox in Tampa tomorrow.
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I know Engel stinks, but he was sent down and struggled big time for a while, then he got on a roll and in my honest opinion he has earned another chance given how dire our situation is for OFs.
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I say bring up Robert and let him and Eloy learn to work with each other in the OF, and create some stability there right away. There is plenty of chaff on the 40 man to make room for Luis.
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Blackie never learns.
Engel for Tilson is simply a righty - lefty thing. Once Jay (LH) came back I knew Tilson would be going back to Charlotte.
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Learn what? That it's fun to watch the Rotation of the Schmoes? Engel, Tilson, Palka, whatever... all schmoes that are not part of the future.
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building a long term contending team not dependent on your infantile wants.
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I say bring up Robert and let him and Eloy learn to work with each other in the OF, and create some stability there right away. There is plenty of chaff on the 40 man to make room for Luis.
BillSharp is more worried about owning a guy for an extra year. I say bring him up now as well. If he leaves as a FA a year earlier that is on us, they can prevent that by paying guys the money. The right guys too, not guys like Machado or Harper.
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Pretty sure the service time rules are going to drastically change in the next CBA, so it could be futile to strategize around them.
About as futile as being a myopic know-it-all. ;D
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I say bring up Robert and let him and Eloy learn to work with each other in the OF, and create some stability there right away. There is plenty of chaff on the 40 man to make room for Luis.
BillSharp is more worried about owning a guy for an extra year. I say bring him up now as well. If he leaves as a FA a year earlier that is on us, they can prevent that by paying guys the money. The right guys too, not guys like Machado or Harper.
Can’t bring him up until he proves he can hit .500 at AAA
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Haha. Did Frank not jump directly from AA or did he have the proverbial “cup o’coffee” in AAA.
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Haha. Did Frank not jump directly from AA or did he have the proverbial “cup o’coffee” in AAA.
Both Frank and Robin went AA to majors. So did Alex Fernandez.
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Even more interesting, both Terry Forster and Rich Gossage went from Class A to the majors. Radinsky too I think and maybe a reliever named Al Jones?
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My guy Buehrle also made the leap from AA to the bigs.
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Good call
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Then I am with Blackie. Call him up!!! < BillSharp running towards me with a sharp instrument. >
/off
Insert Trump Rally chant voice <Bring back Ozzie>
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SoxRule groans.....
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Insert Trump Rally chant voice <Bring back Ozzie>
well played
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the just pay them when they become Free Agents argument is a childish one. The Sox are a low revenue team, they can't spend like the Yanks, Boston or even the chubbies. That's just the facts my friends, wishing it otherwise is delusional & infantile.
The Sox have to be smart - smarter than rich teams. They can't throw away years of control on a player. They have to draft much better. They have to sign better minor league FAs to fill the bench & insure against injury (Pablo Osuna).
The most disheartening thing about the rebuild is I'm pretty sure the Sox front office is too stupid to pull it off.
Name another team the promotes young pitchers to the majors with horrible minor league stats as the Sox regularly do? Who needs to be able to throw an off-speed pitch in the majors anyway? And what is this curveball I keep hearing about?
Honestly the IQ deficit in the front office is breathtaking.
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And they have to stop being the chumps of MLB. Whenever a team has a terrible contract they have to unload they always look to the retard Sox. Alonzo & James Shields are exhibit A & B.
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Minor league baseball has Cordero as 27 not 28.
Cordero's been unbelievable since Sox claimed him, but his career minor league numbers aren't very good.
Don't know what to think, but glad he's given a look see.
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watching Fernando Tatis Jr playing against the cubbies this weekend made me vomit.
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Tim Anderson (sprained ankle) to begin a rehab assignment with Triple-A Charlotte
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-white-sox-tim-anderson-20190723-5zhxyqxdrjdxtlfz63li6sudoe-story.html
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Scouting director Nick Hostetler moves
to a new role with the White Sox
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-white-sox-director-amateur-scouting-20190725-sx7qaucogfb7vomtfzjgpocemy-story.html
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Good
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I knew when they recalled Covey from his rehab stint that they were recalling him way too soon - he only pitched a couple of innings at Charlotte. Terrible management.
Sox have no one to call up who can pitch.
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He threw 10 innings over 3 games. He just stinks
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He threw 10 innings over 3 games. He just stinks
Stinks to the high heavens.
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TA reinstated, Cordell sent to minors.
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Fulmer says "I'm baaaaack"
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1156364671802400768
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the info on the deal: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/white-sox-trade-nate-jones-rangers.html
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-trade-nate-jones-for-minor-league-pitchers
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both of those kiddies the Sox got have already lost a full season to injury in their past minor league history.
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He threw 10 innings over 3 games. He just stinks
YEAH, he threw 2 innings, 4 innings & then 4 innings. It wasn't enough to regain his control or velocity.
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in case anyone cares, Jose Rondon was picked up on waivers by another team.
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Moncada's going on the IL list and now there's no Rondon to recall to take his place. There is one open spot on the 40-man roster. Time to add Alcides Escobar from Charlotte?
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1156673739091775488
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doesn't Danny Mendick need to go on the 40 after this year?
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AJ Reed is all the proof anyone needs to conclude the Sox front office is the dumbest in baseball.
Charlotte is filled with players better than him.
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Looks like Seby Zavala or a pitcher will be added tomorrow as all the other position players at Triple-A that are already on the 40-man roster are in tonight's Knights lineup. Luis Robert is also starting tonight for Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball/status/1157015437584097281
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The Shuffling of the Schmoes continues...
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Skole's just a AAAA player - but he's better than that POS AJ Reed.
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True dat. Rather have seen Mendick, but nice PH single by Skole last night.
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Sox - Yankees playing a regular season game at "Field of Dreams" site next August:
https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-white-sox-game-at-field-of-dream-site
And this guy is really excited about it:
https://www.barstoolsports.com/chicago/breaking-white-sox-and-yankees-to-play-at-the-field-of-dreams-in-2020
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I assume they'll be wearing throwback jerseys.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1160554780483379206
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Another season, another opening series against the Royals...
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Making room for Luis Robert? [/purple]
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1162479021164306434
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A decent read, looking ahead to 2020:
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/luis-robert-keeps-blasting-balls-space-white-sox-team-future-near
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Making room for Luis Robert? [/purple]
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I'm hearing they are finally going to call up this Moncada kid.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1165629298067292166
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1173795214407999488
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"There are no long term concerns"
I have a concern: what if the lat strain is due to his new & improved delivery?
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Yep, guessing he will spend lots of time on IL next year.
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Gio? Why??
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Lat strain is nothing to take so lightly IMHO.
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Well, this was an interesting year, weird, but interesting.
Pleasant pitching surprise - Giolito, Bummer, Marshall & I'll even throw in Jimmy Cordero.
Disappointment - Herrera, Lopez
Gio did it mostly with fastball, change. If he ever develops a curve or slider with snap then look out. Bummer provided the solid Lefty pen arm all teams dream on. Marshall proved once again how important the minor league Free Agent signings are every off season. Cordero filled the right hander back of the pen Minaya role better than Minaya.
Herrera was a complete cluster#foock. I don't know why, he always threw 96-97 & always got hit. The curse of the Sox major league free agent sign. Lopez just regressed albeit with moments of brillance.
The review of Sox pitching in 2019 is really a story of injuries.
Fulmer sucking was no surprise
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hitting/position players:
the pleasant surprises: Anderson, Moncada, McCann, Jimenez.
disappointments: Jay, Castillo, Palka & Alonzo.
Anderson has finally lived up to expectations & surpassed them. I don't really care about his lack of walks when he hits like this. Unfortunately he's still an error machine in the field notwithstanding his brilliance with the glove.
I really didn't see this season's performance from Moncada. It's obvious now that he should have been called up as a 3rd baseman.
McCann just looked good all year long. Finally a good FA signing.
Not long ago I wouldn't have had Jimenez on this list - his fielding is really bad (why weren't we warned in any scouting report on him?), but he's raised his BA a good 15 points late in the season so he's got to be on the list.
I really feel sorry for Palka - he was given a spot in the lineup at RF/DH & he just blew up his career.
Because of injuries Jay was a waste, Castillo signed with us before being caught as a juicer, he should be forced to pay back his salary.
Alonzo was just a dumb move.
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Avi Garcia hit .281 with 20 HRs in 124 games with the Rays after signing cheap. We spent more on Jay. We spent more on Alonzo. We spent more on Castillo. And we had a hole in RF all year long.
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Abreu looks so good with the beard/mustache. He should keep it always. — Fashion Police Loveland
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Eloy Jiménez named A.L. Sept. Rookie of Month
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/pete-alonso-eloy-jimenez-named-rookies-of-month
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1178740524477554690
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Eloy really turned it on once he was healthy. I was a tad worried in 1st half of the season. I also have read, on SoxTalk so not sure if believable, that his defense improved quite a bit during the season. That would be nice, do not want to have to DH a young guy.
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Sox hitting coaches: they gone
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Sox hitting coaches: they gone
Good
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Sox hitting coaches: they gone
White Sox part ways with hitting coaches
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/todd-steverson-greg-sparks-white-sox-coaching-changes
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White Sox promote Frank Menechino, the team’s Triple-A hitting coach: ‘I train these guys to win’
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-hitting-coach-20191010-chsonijbe5fa7ln425oi7kxurm-story.html
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1184131059887280129
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1184225908997136384
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1184580289093361664
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1187428823492694017
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1187436295552983042
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1188934557741002752
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The purging of the schmoes hath begun. 4 down, at least 4 to go.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1189977004646502400
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kinda surprised by the Osich move, but if they really needed the roster space I'm OK with it.
I see that earlier this month Tilson was out righted, hope he signs a minor league deal with Sox.
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http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2019/11/nothing-shrewd-about-latest-lonestar-salary-dump/
Somewhat interesting take on the Welly trade.
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kinda surprised by the Osich move, but if they really needed the roster space I'm OK with it.
I see that earlier this month Tilson was out righted, hope he signs a minor league deal with Sox.
I thought Osich was worth hanging onto as a 2nd loogy behind Bummer. Not sure Fry is better than Osich.
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I see that earlier this month Tilson was out righted, hope he signs a minor league deal with Sox.
Doubtful that will happen as his not getting recalled in September and outrighted to Charlotte in early October was an indicator that his time in the organization has come to an end.
I'd rather see them sign Johnny Field to a minor league deal with an invite to spring training.
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and the Rawlings Gold Glove Award goes to .............
https://twitter.com/RawlingsSports/status/1187436091688665088
https://twitter.com/RawlingsSports/status/1191144302199615489
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1191144317336862720
https://twitter.com/CarlosSan29/status/1192880307512467461
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https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press-release-white-sox-name-scott-coolbaugh-assistant-hitting-coach
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Abreu accepts White Sox qualifying offer
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jose-abreu-accepts-white-sox-qualifying-offer
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“Kopech completed his rehabilitation program for 2019 by throwing a couple of innings in instructional league,” informed Hahn. “He went home for the offseason as a healthy player, and will enter spring training without any restrictions other than being cognizant of the fact that he hasn’t [otherwise] pitched to hitters in over 18 months.
“Dane Dunning had his Tommy John last March, so when he comes to spring training he’s not going to be completely done with his rehabilitation. We foresee him being ready to join an affiliate around mid-season. Jimmy Lambert had his Tommy John shortly after Dunning did, and we project him to return around the same time.”
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/sunday-notes-the-white-sox-wanted-rafael-devers-and-the-elbow-gods-got-their-revenge/
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1197243625975013377
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/yermin-mercedes-on-white-sox-40-man-roster
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Sox sign Grandal. 4 years, $73 million.
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Beat me to it!
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28130356/yasmani-grandal-white-sox-agree-four-year-73m-deal
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Awesome! Here we go
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Yeah, great move. Looks like they mean business and intend to compete this year.
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Palka DFA'd.
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was there a comp pick attached to Grandal?
I like this move a lot, should also be able to trade McCann for a + BP arm. Collins can back up Grandal.
Hope Wheeler is next.
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No Comp pick w/ Grandal
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Many think Wheeler is next.
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Sorry, but 18.25 million a year for 4 yrs for a career .241 hitter already in his 30s is way too much.
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Never happy. We just signed a 5 war player... Upgraded our defense, pitch framing, obp and added more pop.
Grandal had 28 hrs and 109 walks. Last player on the Sox to do that was Frank Thomas. Hell ft is the only Sox player ever to hit those numbers.
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Never happy. We just signed a 5 war player... Upgraded our defense, pitch framing, obp and added more pop.
Grandal had 28 hrs and 109 walks. Last player on the Sox to do that was Frank Thomas. Hell ft is the only Sox player ever to hit those numbers.
Good post. He stays in good shape for a catcher. Bill Sharp just going off. I think they got a good deal.
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Who knows. Maybe they overpaid a tad. Who frigging cares as long as they get their guys
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what happens if they don't use a super juiced ball next year? 20 hrs & 241 BA? 18.25 a yr for 4 years is overpaying, I'd rather use the cash for PITCHING, especially when we didn't have a hole at catcher that needed filling. Why not sign a .241 hitting 3rd baseman with a good glove?
By the last yr of this contract it will be an albatross, book it.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1197915574573182976
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Busy White Sox give Abreu 3-year deal
https://www.mlb.com/news/jose-abreu-extension-white-sox
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Grandal got a lot more than Abreu!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
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what happens if they don't use a super juiced ball next year? 20 hrs & 241 BA? 18.25 a yr for 4 years is overpaying, I'd rather use the cash for PITCHING, especially when we didn't have a hole at catcher that needed filling. Why not sign a .241 hitting 3rd baseman with a good glove?
By the last yr of this contract it will be an albatross, book it.
We are getting pitching. Wheeler within the week.
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Grandal got a lot more than Abreu!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Yes. He is much more valuable
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yea, a .240 hitting catcher who can't throw out base stealers is so valuable!
only an idiot would trade Abreu for Grandal.
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Min, did they have to protect Rutherford because he was 19 when drafted outta high school?
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40 roster filled, so who gets cut if we sign more FAs? My list:
1. Vieira, no need to comment
2. Adolpfo, never should have been 40 rostered
3. Zevala, we have 5 catchers on the roster, Mercedes has passed him.
4. Fulmer, never would have been rostered if not a 1st round pick.
5. Medieros, I know he's a lefty, but he stinks.
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Still not thrilled
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Min, did they have to protect Rutherford because he was 19 when drafted outta high school?
Might have been the reason, seems like he was older by a year when Yankees took him.
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Still not thrilled
How about if I told you Grandal is considered to be very into styles, almost czar-like
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This is a big win... There is no comp pick associated with Grandal. That's about 6 million in value saved.
He was the 2nd best catcher in baseball last year at 5.2 WAR. Fangraphs estimates each FA WAR sells for about 8-9 million. If Grandal only produces 4, 3, 2, 1 WAR in each of the next 4 seasons of his contract, he will provide about 90 million in value. we paid 73 total, as we dont have to give up a draft pick for him as well.
We also definitely got a great student of the game, a fantastic pitch framer and a decent lefty power bat. At some point the Wsox were going to have to overpay someone to get the FA ball rolling. I much prefer its Grandal over 4 years, and Wheeler for 5-6 vs Machado or Harper for 10 (not that i'd mind JR spending his money on Cole or a Rendon). Lets be realistic we are never going to be in play for the peak FA due to JR's desire to be cute with contracts and performance escalators. If we're only going to get the second tier, this is a fantastic start.
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This is a big win... There is no comp pick associated with Grandal. That's about 6 million in value saved.
He was the 2nd best catcher in baseball last year at 5.2 WAR. Fangraphs estimates each FA WAR sells for about 8-9 million. If Grandal only produces 4, 3, 2, 1 WAR in each of the next 4 seasons of his contract, he will provide about 90 million in value. we paid 73 total, as we dont have to give up a draft pick for him as well.
We also definitely got a great student of the game, a fantastic pitch framer and a decent lefty power bat. At some point the Wsox were going to have to overpay someone to get the FA ball rolling. I much prefer its Grandal over 4 years, and Wheeler for 5-6 vs Machado or Harper for 10 (not that i'd mind JR spending his money on Cole or a Rendon). Lets be realistic we are never going to be in play for the peak FA due to JR's desire to be cute with contracts and performance escalators. If we're only going to get the second tier, this is a fantastic start.
Good stuff Metodo. We also do not need a guy like Cole or Rendon, we need several spots filled and makes sense to spread out the money among 4-5 guys instead of blowing our wad on one big guy (we would have hated Harper, Machado would have been ok, but I like how Moncada and Anderson did this year).
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The White Sox non-tendered Ryan Burr, Caleb Frare and Yolmer Sánchez, and released Thyago Vieira.
40-man now at 36.
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Burr and Frare both got hurt. Did they have TJ surgery?
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McCann, White Sox agree to 1-year deal
Club declines to tender Burr, Frare, Sánchez; releases Vieira
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/james-mccann-signs-deal-with-white-sox
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White Sox Re-Sign Ryan Burr, Caleb Frare
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/white-sox-re-sign-ryan-burr-caleb-frare.html
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBA3kUmUIuY
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Burr and Frare both got hurt. Did they have TJ surgery?
Burr did. Frare pitched on and off. Not sure what he was on IL for at times.
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Bummer on Wheeler. Lotta dough though
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Bummer on Wheeler. Lotta dough though
Yep, at least they are trying. Who knew his wife was from Jersey!
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Bumgarner next?
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I liked the "Get the Tier 2 pitcher + a low 3b/high 4a pitcher" strategy, but it didn't come to be. So to me, the question is, go two Tier 3-4 guys, or say "f*ck it" and go for one of the Tier 1 guys?
I wouldn't be bummed if they pulled off the latter.
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Why not? They offered Wheeler $125m.
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Yankees are all in on Cole, so you can scratch that one off the list. Borass will use our offer to drive the yankees contract up and JR wont play that game.
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He’s gonna cost too much and Stras injury prone
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White Sox claim Tayron Guerrero off waivers
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/tayron-guerrero-claimed-by-white-sox
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Rumor is Ozuna signs Monday
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Rumor is Ozuna signs Monday
Not according to Jon Heyman:
https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1203720369061945344
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Good. Think they can do better
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1204436281838784513
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"He seems like a perfect candidate to add a cutter to his repertoire."
This sounds like a job for Coop...
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2019/11/8/20954566/mlb-free-agent-julio-teheran-atlanta-braves-decline-option-sinker
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Gio reportedly has deal with White Sox
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/gio-gonzalez-deal-with-white-sox
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Gio, White Sox finalize 1-yr deal with club option
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/gio-gonzalez-deal-with-white-sox
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Keuchel agrees to deal with White Sox (sources)
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/dallas-keuchel-white-sox-deal
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Do we start the season with Leury Garcia at center and Mendick at second? We would need to find some bum to be a utility infielder.
Or do we start Leury at second and Adam Engel at center, having to find a backup CF?
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Robert may start out with us, otherwise I would assume Garcia or Engel are our spare OFs. Mendick is likely 2B until Madrigal is ready.
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I bet they do Eloy deal with Robert.
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Madrigal is ready. Bring him up
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I bet they do Eloy deal with Robert.
Brilliant as always Shoe
https://www.southsidesox.com/2019/12/23/21035889/white-sox-rumors-luis-robert-has-an-extension-offer-on-the-table?adobe_mc=TS%3D1577152948%7CMCMID%3D39319315894792686301662394868722706603%7CMCAID%3D2C8DD61B851D1433-4000190F6001C56B%7CMCORGID%3D10D31225525FF5790A490D4D%2540AdobeOrg
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White Sox To Sign Edwin Encarnacion
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/12/white-sox-closing-in-on-deal-with-edwin-encarnacion.html
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Grandal brought buzz. Keuchel brought expectations. Encarnacion brings the timeline.
(While) multi-year contracts for Grandal and Keuchel continued the front office’s devotion to its long-term planning, a short-term move for Encarnacion outlines that there are now short-term expectations on the South Side. A soon-to-be 37-year-old slugger is not someone you acquire to prop open your contention window for three or four years; it's about having him hit a lot of home runs as you chase a title now. Encarnacion figures to be the White Sox primary designated hitter, solving a glaring problem spot.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-win-now-intent-becomes-obvious-reported-signing-edwin-encarnacion
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I can't see how anyone could be happy with the Encarnacion signing. Too old, too slow, can't field, can't hit for a decent average.
He's Adam Encarnacion. Sox keep making the same mistake over & over.
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Again, I don't love it, but I don't hate it. But, it clearly provides a HUGE upgrade at DH at a very low risk.
2019 White Sox DHs: .641 OBP, 17 HRs
2019 EE (in only 109 games): .875 OBP, 34 HRs
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Huh? It’s an excellent signing. He can hit. Only 1 year. Huge upgrade.
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Adam part 3. Yonder Alonzo part 2. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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Agree with BillSharp.
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Declining Edwin >>>>>> Adam Dunn at any point in his career.
Most Ks in a season=138. Lowest BA=.225 as a 26 yr old.
It is essentially a 1-yr deal that is frankly a value in comparison to his production.
As Blackie pointed out, he could decline steeply and still be much better than the chaff we let bat last year.
The reality is that, given the hitters he will be surrounded by, it is likely we'll see in the neighborhood of .250 BA, 35 HR, 130K, 80BB and about 3 WAR.
12 mil for that season is a pittance.
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O yeah, players in their late 30s usually improve their production.
If that's the case I hope he's using good masking agents.
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Bob Nightengale says:
The White Sox have reached a tentative agreement on a long-term contract extension with prized prospect Luis Robert. He likely will be on the opening-day roster.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/white-sox-to-extend-luis-robert.html
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It’s every day my phone goes off with a new signing.
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Hopefully it'll ring soon with a new reliever or two.
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Pretty awesome hot stove for the pale hose
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Luis Robert agrees to 6-year, record
$50 million deal with White Sox
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28410326/luis-robert-agrees-6-year-50-million-deal-white-sox
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/luis-robert-extension-with-white-sox
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-luis-robert-20200102-pywsu6vy5fhm3c776ruu4e2wo4-story.html#nt=oft-Double%20Chain~Flex%20Feature~sports-top-curated-stories~sports-story-1~~1~yes-art~curated~curatedpage
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1212818775176814592
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Interesting that they would cut a guy they took a flyer on just a month ago, instead of losing other chaff like Zelava or Covey or Rutherford.
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DFA. ‘Might he stick around?
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Well, this off-season certainly escalated quickly. Mercy!
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Boat!
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Schuuuu!!😁
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Steve Cishek is in the fold: one year ($6 million) + an option.
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Nice signing.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/
Pulls payroll up to ~$120M.
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Cishek, White Sox agree to 1-year deal (source)
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/steve-cishek-white-sox-deal
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Players Avoiding Arbitration: American League
Carlos Rodon ($4.45MM) and Nomar Mazara ($5.56MM) each have deals with the White Sox, per Robert Murray (Twitter links). The former was projected at $4.5MM after an injury limited season, making for an expectedly light raise on his $4.2MM salary from the prior campaign. The latter, recently acquired from the Rangers, comes in just under the $5.7MM the MLBTR model projected. The Chicago organization also announced that it has agreed to terms with infielder Leury Garcia for $3.25MM and righty Evan Marshall for $1.1MM.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/players-avoiding-arbitration-american-league-3.html
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White Sox reach deals with all 5 arb-eligibles
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/alex-colome-agrees-to-one-year-deal
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Nice signing.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/
Pulls payroll up to ~$120M.
Yep, 112 right now, not counting Cishek I read. So that means 118. You were right on.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/1/10/21060478/white-sox-avoid-arbitration-alex-colome-rodon-mlb-offseason-2019
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any word on minor league free agent signings
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When will we resign Yolmer? Still need someone to play 2nd until Mr. Madrigal is ready.
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When will we resign Yolmer? Still need someone to play 2nd until Mr. Madrigal is ready.
The Carlos/Yolmer Sanchez era is over.
Unless he's willing to sign a minor league deal for less than a million dollars, they won't consider re-signing Yolmer. Danny Mendick +/or Leury Garcia will man second until Madrigal gets promoted to the majors. Only thing that could change their thinking is an injury to Madrigal.
Plus there are no open spots on the current 40-man roster. A move will have to be made when they officially sign Cisek and another when they add Madrigal. Jimmy Lambert and Carlos Rodon should start the season on the 60-day DL but that move can't be made until the end of spring training.
http://m.mlb.com/cws/roster/40-man/
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any word on minor league free agent signings
No. BTW, Hunnie's son Johnny is a free agent.
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I guess I wasn’t paying attention.
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any word on minor league free agent signings
Nope
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Kodi Medeiros outrighted to Charlotte.
Dylan Covey designated for assignment.
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any word on minor league free agent signings
Nope
The Sox signed Andrew Romine to a minor league deal today, whoever that guy is.
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Just a few of the players that were on the White Sox last year that are no longer on the team: Yolmer Sanchez, Ryan Cordell, Yonder Alonso, Welington Castillo, Jon Jay, Charlie Tilson, Jose Rondon, AJ Reed, Dylan Covey, Ervin Santana, Odrisamer Despaigne
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Just a few of the players that were on the White Sox last year that are no longer on the team: Yolmer Sanchez, Ryan Cordell, Yonder Alonso, Welington Castillo, Jon Jay, Charlie Tilson, Jose Rondon, AJ Reed, Dylan Covey, Ervin Santana, Odrisamer Despaigne
Dylan Covey is the only one on your list that's still with the organization. He's not on the 40-man roster but is still technically part of the organization. He's been DFA'd but until he's traded, released or granted free agent status, his rights are 'owned' by the White Sox.
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Fair, but... what a nice flush of trash.
For Bill Sharp.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1217910483317133312
Right-hander Bryan Mitchell has signed a minor-league deal with the #WhiteSox, source tells The Athletic. Previously with the #Yankees and #Padres.
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Just want to point out we replaced Yolmer Sanchez, Ryan Cordell, Yonder Alonso, Welington Castillo, Jon Jay, Charlie Tilson, Jose Rondon, AJ Reed, Dylan Covey, Ervin Santana, Odrisamer Despaigne
With.
Robert, Grandal, E5, Maraza, Dallas K, Gio G, Cishek, with Madrigal on the way and Andrew V as a outside sept call up.
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good. And no crippling contracts, either.
Although I must admit I cannot bring myself to count on Madrigal and/or Vaughn; odds are that some of the kids will be busts. But that's a worry for another day.
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Yeah, I'd say that's pretty good. And no crippling contracts, either.
Although I must admit I cannot bring myself to count on Madrigal and/or Vaughn; odds are that some of the kids will be busts. But that's a worry for another day.
Do not think Madrigal will bust. He improved as he went up each of two levels last year. Vaughn may, just something about him. Probably will be fine.
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I agree with Blackie.
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This year's NRIs:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-non-roster-invites-spring-training
The White Sox agreed to terms on Minor League contracts with the following 15 free agents: right-handed pitchers Drew Anderson, Ryan Burr, Brady Lail, Alex McRae and Bryan Mitchell; left-handers Ross Detwiler, Caleb Frare, Jacob Lindgren, Adalberto Mejia and Matt Tomshaw; infielders Cheslor Cuthbert, Andrew Romine and Matt Skole; and outfielders Jaycob Brugman and Nicky Delmonico.
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Vaughn, Madrigal head to White Sox camp
First-rounders lead non-roster invites, including seven top prospects
https://www.milb.com/milb/news/andrew-vaughn-nick-madrigal-head-to-chicago-white-sox-camp/c-312499498
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Dylan Covey Elects Free Agency
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/dylan-covey-elects-free-agency-white-sox.html
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thought this funny. Who does Kuechel ask about the Sox dress code?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efroBbJSsf4
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Assuming Leury G. starts at 2nd the starting lineup is set. Bench has McCann, Mendick, Engel & a final 26th player for the new expanded rosters. Everone expects Zack Collins to be the final bench spot as having a 3rd catcher who can play 1st and DH seems ideal.
I think it would be stupid to carry Collins at the end of the bench all year. He needs to play. His defense still is questionable & after finally having a decent year with the bat not playing will retard his progress. Also he did look hopeless with the bat in the majors last year.
Sox 40 is full (the Sox idiotic decision to put Adolpho & the great Basabe on the 40 at an extremely young age and after have bad years in A ball still rankles) and no minor league FA catches the eye, so unless they sign someone before the season starts it'll have to be someone on the current 40. My pick would be Yermin Mercedes. He's a catcher who can hit with a lifetime minor league BA over .300. He has a ton of experience - turns 27 this month I think.
All the "bring Madrigal up now talk I find silly. Leury G. hit .279 last yr, his 3rd year in a row hitting in the .270s for the Sox. He's good & doesn't need to be replaced. Mendick really looked good after his call up. Madrigal's not on the 40, I see no reason why he shouldn't start in the minors. He can always be called up if needed.
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the big ? is how will the pitching perform.
Rotation set - Lucas G, Dallas K, Reynaldo L, Gio G & Dylan C.
Kopech will, of course, start in the minors, he has a long road back, no need to rush him a second time. Rodon probably won't start pitching until after mid season. Earliest I could see him back would be the end of the year.
Bigger questions withe the pen. Will Marshall & Cordero be able to repeat their surprise performances of last year? Will Fry be able to bounce back after a bad year? Will Herrera bounce back after a horrific season? Will Cishek's arm fall off after over use with the chubbies?
Colome, Cishek, Bummer, Marshall, Herrera, Cordero, Fry & simply because he's out of options Fulmer.
BTW, I hate the new rule changes concerning relief pitchers.
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Kopech has been cleared for ST, he will start in the minors so the Sox can get a year of control back. but he'll be up in may,
I doubt 4 ip gio sticks around long.
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Bummer, Leury agree to deals with White Sox
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/aaron-bummer-leury-garcia-deals-with-white-sox
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The White Sox and infielder Yoan Moncada have agreed to a five-year contract extension. The deal contains a club option for a sixth season that would keep Moncada in Chicago through the 2025 season. Moncada will earn $70MM in guaranteed money.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/03/white-sox-extend-yoan-moncada.html
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Moncada-White Sox extension
in place (source)
https://www.mlb.com/news/yoan-moncada-contract-extension
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1235970463135756289
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Opening Day delayed at least 2 weeks;
Spring Training games cancelled
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/mlb-2020-season-delayed
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1238235136057126915
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETP-9JoWAAIooSD?format=jpg&name=small
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The Longest Flirtation In Baseball
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/06/a-baseball-rom-com-enters-its-third-act.html
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White Sox release Caleb Frare, Matt Skole, three others
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/6/26/21305021/white-sox-release-caleb-frare-matt-skole-three-others
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Michael Kopech absent from White Sox camp due to personal matter
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/7/3/21312614/white-sox-michael-kopech-absent-from-camp-due-to-personal-matter
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2 White Sox players test positive for COVID-19
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-players-test-positive-for-covid-19
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Chicago White Sox pitcher Michael Kopech opts out of the 2020 season for ‘personal reasons'
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-michael-kopech-20200710-m7u5wzxjwnbb7gfhkn7nk5zebe-story.html
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1281710108335054848
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1281710262085726208
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Column: Michael Kopech’s return to the Chicago White Sox in 2020 wasn’t in the stars. But rest assured, the promising pitching prospect will figure things out.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-michael-kopech-opt-out-20200711-cndrkabsungubc7jbddknbaylm-story.html#rt=chartbeat-flt
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Taxi squad roster:
https://www.futuresox.com/2020/07/14/garrett-crochet-highlights-white-sox-taxi-squad-roster/
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1283090326262091782
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Moncada back in camp after COVID recovery
https://www.mlb.com/news/yoan-moncada-rejoins-white-sox-after-covid-19
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good to see Vaughn hit a HR on a decent curve by Gio Gonzales. being able to hit the curve so important.
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/nomar-mazara-placed-on-injured-list-by-white-sox
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White Sox Designate Carson Fulmer For Assignment,
Sign Ryan Goins To Minor League Deal
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/07/white-sox-dfa-carson-fulmer-sign-ryan-goins.html
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White Sox set 30-man Opening Day roster
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-updated-2020-opening-day-roster-predictions
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Hamilton didn't even make it to Schaumburg.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1287486217400070146
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Reynaldo López (shoulder) goes on IL
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/reynaldo-lopez-has-right-shoulder-soreness
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Cheslor Cuthbert, we hardly knew ye...
I'm sure ISF is bummed ;D
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White Sox manager Rick Renteria passes coronavirus test,
expected to rejoin team
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/7/27/21341184/white-sox-manager-rick-renteria-passes-test-expected-to-rejoin-team
https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/1287918681331306498
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Madrigal called up and will wear #1. Surely the timing is mere coincidence...
Herrera DFA'd.
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I find that to be a very weird move. We don't need a 2Bman. Certainly not one who stunk in spring/summer training.
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Tim Anderson (groin) goes on injured list
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/8/1/21351007/white-sox-shortstop-tim-anderson-goes-on-injured-list-with-groin-strain
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/tim-anderson-has-right-groin-strain
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White Sox place Tim Anderson on the injured list;
recall Yermín Mercedes from the Schaumburg training facility
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/press-release/press-release-white-sox-place-tim-anderson-on-the-injured-list?t=white-sox-press-releases
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1289991294312255489
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Lambert to the 45-day IL (not good)
Fields of Dreams game cancelled (will be played at GRF)
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White Sox reinstate Mazara from injured list
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/nomar-mazara-reinstated-from-injured-list
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1290339418440687616
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‘Field of Dreams’ game with the White Sox and Cardinals
reportedly is canceled because of logistical problems
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-field-of-dreams-game-20200803-z73hfudv6zebpi4vcuxqebopyi-story.html
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White Sox place Rodón (shoulder) on IL
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/carlos-rodon-has-left-shoulder-soreness
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1290712859782119426
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Carlos Rodón is going to regret not signing a long term extension (if he doesn't already) when he had the chance.
That's the gamble you take when you hire Scott Boras as your agent and follow his advice.
Some win. Some lose. I'm guessing Carlos lost.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1290501864958509056
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Some are born to sing the blues...
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I concur.
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Madrigal separated his shoulder. WTF is it with the injuries this year.
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Madrigal separated his shoulder. WTF is it with the injuries this year.
Guys are dropping so fast all around MLB that they decided to eliminate the 26-man roster and stick to 28 for the rest of the year (including the post-season). Freak injuries, positive COVID-19 tests and the shortened "Summer Camp" have all led to this roster limit increase.
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That was a TERRIBLE slide. Not sure what he was doing there.
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Madrigal (separated shoulder) to injured list
White Sox GM Hahn also provides injury updates on Encarnación, Rodón, López and Anderson
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/nick-madrigal-placed-on-injured-list
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Dane Dunning debut delayed
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/dane-dunning-white-sox-debut-pushed-back
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• Outfielder Nicky Delmonico was optioned to the Schaumburg training facility Thursday. That move, along with Madrigal, got the White Sox roster to the MLB-mandated 28 players.
• Right-handed pitcher Andrew Dalquist, the No. 14 White Sox prospect, per MLB Pipeline, was added Thursday to the team’s alternate training facility in Schaumburg. Dalquist, 19, was the team’s third-round pick in the 2019 Draft.
• Renteria hopes the injury situation for designated hitter Edwin Encarnación (inflammation near his left SC joint) will be resolved by this weekend.
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Notes: Bummer to IL; Burdi, Anderson arrive
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-place-aaron-bummer-on-il
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• The White Sox DFA'd right-handed pitcher Drew Anderson prior to Sunday night’s contest and recalled right-handed pitcher José Ruiz from their alternate training site. Ruiz, 25, had a 5.63 ERA over 40 appearances in 2019, while Anderson gave up six runs on four hits over 1 1/3 innings of relief work in Saturday’s loss. He threw 50 pitches in his only White Sox appearance, after being added from Schaumburg prior to the game.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-injury-updates
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08/10/20 - The Seattle Mariners claimed RHP Brady Lail off waivers from the Chicago White Sox.
Reliever claimed off waivers from White Sox
Right-handed reliever Brady Lail was claimed off waivers from the White Sox on Monday, with infielder Patrick Wisdom designated for assignment to open a spot on the 40-man roster.
Lail, 27, pitched one game for the White Sox last Thursday against the Brewers, allowing two hits over 1 1/3 scoreless innings, then was designated for assignment on Saturday. He’s made two MLB appearances in his career, having also pitched one game for the Yankees last year.
He’s allowed three runs on four hits with three strikeouts over four innings in his two MLB appearances. The 2012 18th-round Draft pick went 4-2 with a 3.83 ERA and one save in 26 games (including one start) over three levels in the Yankees’ Minor League system last year, then signed with the White Sox as a six-year Minor League free agent.
https://www.mlb.com/mariners/news/carl-edwards-jr-placed-on-injured-list
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Why does Keuchel have to do Ricky’s job?
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Good question
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1295550261327474688
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• Right-handed reliever Ian Hamilton was reinstated from the 10-day injured list and optioned to the team’s alternate training site in Schaumburg, Ill. Hamilton was out with right shoulder soreness.
• Second baseman Nick Madrigal, sidelined by a separated left shoulder, continues to work at Schaumburg. General manager Rick Hahn originally had targeted Madrigal’s return by the end of August.
“He's moving well, he's swinging the bat and still trying to get his timing, things of that nature,” White Sox manager Rick Renteria said of the White Sox No. 4 prospect. “He's moving in a positive direction."
• Entering Saturday, the White Sox had set club records for most homers over six (22) and seven-game spans (24). They tied the marks over eight (24), nine (26) and 10-game spans (28), all according to STATS.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jose-abreu-works-hard-to-stay-productive
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Date Transaction
08/28/20 Pittsburgh Pirates traded CF Jarrod Dyson to Chicago White Sox for Future Considerations.
08/28/20 Chicago White Sox designated OF Nicky Delmonico for assignment.
08/28/20 Chicago White Sox activated 2B Nick Madrigal from the 10-day injured list.
08/28/20 Chicago White Sox optioned CF Luis Gonzalez to White Sox Alternate Training Site.
08/27/20 Chicago White Sox optioned C Zack Collins to White Sox Alternate Training Site.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/roster/transactions
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Luis Robert has been named A.L. Rookie of the Month for July/August after batting .298/.348/.612 (36-121)
with eight doubles, 10 home runs, 24 RBI, 22 runs scored and four stolen bases over 33 games.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1301228443259097090
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José Abreu has been named A.L. Player of the Month. He set club records for home runs in a three-game series (six), homers in a two-game span from 8/21-22 (five), and homering in four consecutive plate appearances from 8/22-23.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1301229026388979715
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Team leading the AL in lots of offensive categories. Hats off to hitting instructor Frank Menechino (ex Sox farmhand who played some in majors with A's)
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1301322285522055173
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Lopez optioned.
Bernardo Flores recalled.
REALLY wish we would’ve picked up another starter at the deadline.
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If Ricky cannot figure out how to start getting McCann into line-ups #FireRicky
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what the hell is wrong with Bummer.
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what the hell is wrong with Bummer.
He's hurt
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what the hell is wrong with Bummer.
He's hurt
https://www.rotoworld.com/baseball/mlb/player/21248/aaron-bummer
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1303379728229978112/photo/1
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1303752784886497280
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Keuchel to IL.
I guess with a 10-day IL, it doesn't make sense NOT to add him to the IL if he's missing 1 start anyways (especially with 2 off days).
Lopez called up to take his spot on the roster....
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/09/white-sox-dallas-keuchel-injured-list.html
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/dallas-keuchel-has-back-spasms
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1304087510021271552
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Keuchel to IL.
I guess with a 10-day IL, it doesn't make sense NOT to add him to the IL if he's missing 1 start anyways (especially with 2 off days).
Lopez called up to take his spot on the roster....
Liking that book about David Fairchild, about 1/3 of the way into it.
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Fry looked pretty decent tonight
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Yep.
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Fry looked pretty decent tonight
We need him big time with Bummer out.
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Random thought...
I heard some announcement during the game that the Sox had an "official sports betting partner."
Just wondering how someone in 1920 would have reacted to that.
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White Sox Announce 2021 Spring Training Schedule
https://medium.com/@whitesox/white-sox-announce-2021-spring-training-schedule-5446ce64da83
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Random thought...
I heard some announcement during the game that the Sox had an "official sports betting partner."
Just wondering how someone in 1920 would have reacted to that.
Uffta
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Maybe it's time for MLB to "overturn" some of those Black Sox bans
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MSF. Are you Norwegian or just lived in Minnesota long enough to proclaim Uffta!?
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MSF. Are you Norwegian or just lived in Minnesota long enough to proclaim Uffta!?
I am 1/2 Norwegian. My mother was full Norsk, last name Erickson. Her grandparents were in Norway.
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Maybe it's time for MLB to "overturn" some of those Black Sox bans
There ya go!!
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MSF. Are you Norwegian or just lived in Minnesota long enough to proclaim Uffta!?
I am 1/2 Norwegian. My mother was full Norsk, last name Erickson. Her grandparents were in Norway.
I am also 1/2 Norwegian, my moms parents also immigrated to the IS. Surname: Kelstrup.
...sen is generally Norwegian while ... son Swedish. I look at Tim Anderson and he does not channel Sweden or Scandinavia. Just sayin ‘
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MSF. Are you Norwegian or just lived in Minnesota long enough to proclaim Uffta!?
I am 1/2 Norwegian. My mother was full Norsk, last name Erickson. Her grandparents were in Norway.
I am also 1/2 Norwegian, my moms parents also immigrated to the IS. Surname: Kelstrup.
...sen is generally Norwegian while ... son Swedish. I look at Tim Anderson and he does not channel Sweden or Scandinavia. Just sayin ‘
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Anyhoo...
These guys are reminding me of the 1983 White Sox, in that the first third of the season was "meh", and then how much fun it was to watch them steamroll their way to thought the last two-thirds of the season.
Except this year, there was no trade for Julio Cruz.
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Anyhoo...
These guys are reminding me of the 1983 White Sox, in that the first third of the season was "meh", and then how much fun it was to watch them steamroll their way to thought the last two-thirds of the season.
Except this year, there was no trade for Julio Cruz.
1983 was and still is my favorite year because once they got on that incredible roll, it was a joy ride every day with no threats of not making the playoffs. But then it crashed with the Brett Burns game.
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I'm actually 1/8th Norwegian. It's a family secret no one talks about. The shame!
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Here's head-scratcher:
Garrett Crochet got called up today.
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Evan Marshall to the 10-day IL with shoulder inflammation; he could return by the Cubs series.
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BTW - MSF / Loveland....
Is it Uffta or Uffda?
I've heard it both ways.
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Here's head-scratcher:
Garrett Crochet got called up today.
Shows how thin the top end of our systems is, pitching-wise.
Or shows that they think he can make a Sale-like impact as a flamethrowing lefty coming out of the 'pen.
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Marshall to the dl.
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MSF. Are you Norwegian or just lived in Minnesota long enough to proclaim Uffta!?
I am 1/2 Norwegian. My mother was full Norsk, last name Erickson. Her grandparents were in Norway.
I am also 1/2 Norwegian, my moms parents also immigrated to the IS. Surname: Kelstrup.
...sen is generally Norwegian while ... son Swedish. I look at Tim Anderson and he does not channel Sweden or Scandinavia. Just sayin ‘
Honestly, it could be sen, I am not positive.
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Here's head-scratcher:
Garrett Crochet got called up today.
Shows how thin the top end of our systems is, pitching-wise.
Or shows that they think he can make a Sale-like impact as a flamethrowing lefty coming out of the 'pen.
They are going to see how he does, in case no Bummer and Rodon for playoffs.
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BTW - MSF / Loveland....
Is it Uffta or Uffda?
I've heard it both ways.
I will defer to Love, I have no idea, I just talk that way at times
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Sox management doesn't seem to understand MLB option rules & the need to keep spots open on the 40 roster.
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Billsharp doesnt understand how things work over decades... and keeps harping on the wrong ****.
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Holy cr@p - that's an easy 100 out of Crochet's arm.
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BTW - MSF / Loveland....
Is it Uffta or Uffda?
I've heard it both ways.
I have always used uffda! But I wanted to humor MSF.
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MSF. Are you Norwegian or just lived in Minnesota long enough to proclaim Uffta!?
I am 1/2 Norwegian. My mother was full Norsk, last name Erickson. Her grandparents were in Norway.
I am also 1/2 Norwegian, my moms parents also immigrated to the IS. Surname: Kelstrup.
...sen is generally Norwegian while ... son Swedish. I look at Tim Anderson and he does not channel Sweden or Scandinavia. Just sayin ‘
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I’m sorry - let me fix it.
sen is generally Norwegian while ... son Swedish. Thus, Tim Anderson is obviously the best Swedish player in the game today. Maybe ever. 🇸🇪
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BTW - MSF / Loveland....
Is it Uffta or Uffda?
I've heard it both ways.
I have always used uffda! But I wanted to humor MSF.
Consider me humored
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Cishek & Detwiler got DFA'd.
Bummer & Rodon re-instated.
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Detwiler 3.20 ERA, 122 WHIP was having a career yr.
Cishek has been bad, especially early, but Cordero's been worse.
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Detwiler has not been good after his first 10 innings or so. We also have enough LH relievers.
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Has Rickey been canned yet?
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Detwiler is a FA after this year, no? Probably weren't going to bring him back next year, and he probably was way down on the playoff depth chart... so I don't hate the move.
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2.25 ERA, sounds pretty good, but he gave up one big ass homer that likely killed our division champ hopes.
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Gio Gonzalez and Reynaldo Lopez left off the 1st round roster. Zack Collins and Leury Garcia added.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1310982227677904896
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MVP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJEvmY3LpcA
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Good stuff Bill.
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Jose didn't come thru today in the 9th. Maybe being featured on MLB Baseball Tonight is like being on the cover of SI?
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So who on the 40 roster is going to be a Free Agent now?
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McCann, Colomé & Dyson will be free agents after the World Series ends. White Sox hold 2021 options on EE and Gio Gonzalez which aren't expected to be picked up. Possible non-tenders are Yolmer, Jose Ruiz, Carlos Rodon, Seby Zavala and Yermín Mercedes. Jimmy Lambert is on the 60-day IL and Michael Kopech is on the restricted list. Both will need to be added back onto the 40-man roster after the World Series.
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Ruiz, Zavala & Mercedes not eligible for arbitration so no need to non tender. Zavala should be taken off 40 so he'd be designated for assignment.
If Rodon isn't a FA I'd offer him a contract, he shouldn't get much in arbitration & I think he's worth a gamble as a 4th or 5th starter next year.
I thought Leury G. would be a FA by now.
I wonder if we have any chance resigning McCann, Sox haven't shown him much respect.
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McCann, Colomé & Dyson will be free agents after the World Series ends. White Sox hold 2021 options on EE and Gio Gonzalez which aren't expected to be picked up. Possible non-tenders are Yolmer, Jose Ruiz, Carlos Rodon, Seby Zavala and Yermín Mercedes. Jimmy Lambert is on the 60-day IL and Michael Kopech is on the restricted list. Both will need to be added back onto the 40-man roster after the World Series.
What happens with Yolmer's arbitration status?
Does it reset back to a league minimum baseline?
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McCann, Colomé & Dyson will be free agents after the World Series ends. White Sox hold 2021 options on EE and Gio Gonzalez which aren't expected to be picked up. Possible non-tenders are Yolmer, Jose Ruiz, Carlos Rodon, Seby Zavala and Yermín Mercedes. Jimmy Lambert is on the 60-day IL and Michael Kopech is on the restricted list. Both will need to be added back onto the 40-man roster after the World Series.
What happens with Yolmer's arbitration status?
Does it reset back to a league minimum baseline?
He's eligible to be offered arbitration, but it would be based on his league minimum salary... likely someone we just resign to a minor league deal.
Please get rid of Mazara and E6-3 on the first ticket out of town. Grandal obviously becomes the primary catcher. Vaughn comes in at 1b, Abreu to DH.
Wouldnt mind kicking the tires on Joc Pederson for RF. good defender and L handed power bat. Very streaky.
Need to extend Giolitto, and in the FA world signing Trevor Bauer to a 1 year deal should be a priority. (bauer many years ago said once he hit FA he will only sign one year contracts to maximize his value year to year in his peak. So give him his 1 year- 35 million deal, and lets go to war.
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If Rodon isn't a FA I'd offer him a contract, he shouldn't get much in arbitration & I think he's worth a gamble as a 4th or 5th starter next year.
Carlos Rodon was paid $4.2M in 2019 and his 2020 contract was for $4.45M. Expect him to be awarded $5+M in his last year of arbitration this winter before he becomes a FA. I'd use that money to help pay for Bauer.
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If the White Sox offer Yolmer arbitration, he'll get over $4.5M as he was paid $4.625 in 2019. Even though he was signed this year to a minor league contract, the arbitrator will consider all his previous salaries and performance which will include his 2019 Gold Glove Award and his 2020 stats of .313/.476/.688 in limited use. Odds are they will non-tender him unless he agrees to a contract around $1M.
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#RickeyFirefThankTheLord
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Cooper gone too.
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Mendick = Yolmer
Leuroy should never again start at 2nd base.
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Wow. Just wow.
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Surprised with the Coop firing. Not that I disagree, but still surprised....
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Cooper gone too.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1315687798318530561
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good news: https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1315690610452561920
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White Sox fire manager Rick Renteria and
pitching coach Don Cooper
Surprising moves come after team’s first playoff appearance since 2008, and team says
Ozzie Guillen will not be a candidate.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/10/12/21512624/rick-renteria-out-as-white-sox-manager
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/rick-renteria-out-as-white-sox-manager
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White Sox’ Michael Kopech ‘fully invested and committed’
to 2021, GM Rick Hahn says
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/10/12/21513150/white-sox-expect-michael-kopech-at-start-of-spring-training
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Surprised with the Coop firing. Not that I disagree, but still surprised....
I agree. I wanted it done but I had no faith that the ownership would allow it to happen.
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Hinch or Cora. Francona if Injuns keep Alomar and let Francona leave. Hahn wants someone with championship play in their background. Those 3.
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Alledgedly we are reaching out to tony la russa... please no.
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That would be so "White Sox". Would be a worse hire than Ventura.
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https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1315690840958930944
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Alledgedly we are reaching out to tony la russa... please no.
I would think JR would like to get some input from LaRussa. Jeez, talk about a guy who abused bullpens.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/10/13/21515008/white-sox-rick-renteria-friction-aj-hinch-rick-hahn
Apparently Renteria (+ Cooper) and Hahn had been clashing for some time:
1) Coaching staff resisted in-game use of analytics.
2) Coaching staff was disappointed that no pitching help came (apparently the front office didn't think the rebuild was as far ahead as the coaching staff, so less urgency to give up assets to "buy")
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Chicago White Sox get OK from Los Angeles Angels
to talk to Tony La Russa about job, source says
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30115106/chicago-white-sox-get-ok-los-angeles-angels-talk-tony-la-russa-source-says
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So happy Renteria and Cooper were let go, finally!! But c'mon, they're not seriously looking to hire a 76-year old who hasn't managed in 11 years are they? It has to be for a different position within the org and they just don't want to say yet.....right? Fwiw, Steve Stone seemed to strongly hint that Hinch is the main target so we'll see.
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So happy Renteria and Cooper were let go, finally!! But c'mon, they're not seriously looking to hire a 76-year old who hasn't managed in 11 years are they? It has to be for a different position within the org and they just don't want to say yet.....right? Fwiw, Steve Stone seemed to strongly hint that Hinch is the main target so we'll see.
Hinch is who I want. Francona would be second if he was available (if Indians let him go and keep Alomar as Mgr)
We'd finally get Hinch. We drafted him 2nd round in 1992 out of HS and he turned us down to go to Stanford.
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I'd be absolutely floored if they hired LaRussa. My guess is they are throwing him a bone by getting his name out there, and maybe get some intel from him in the interview.
Hinch is probably the guy. When is his suspension up?
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Right after the World Series
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Before he joined the White Sox in 2002 Rick Hahn was a MLB player agent for two years at Steinberg, Moorad and Dunn. One of his clients was AJ Hinch.
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Before he joined the White Sox in 2002 Rick Hahn was a MLB player agent for two years at Steinberg, Moorad and Dunn. One of his clients was AJ Hinch.
Interesting
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"apparently the front office didn't think the rebuild was as far ahead as the coaching staff"
I didn't either. They had a hot streak of about 30 games, Had they played 162, I suspect they would have finished around .500
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I am not excited at all by the idea of Tony LaRussa as manager.
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I am not excited at all by the idea of Tony LaRussa as manager.
I hope it isn't true but it could be worse. Jerry Reinsdorf could have felt that Terry Bevington deserved a second opportunity to manage his team.
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LOL. I'd totally forgotten about him.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/15/sports/baseball/astros-heckler-megaphone.html
Wonder what this guy's gonna do if the Sox hire Hinch?
When I told my 24 yo (whom I've raised as a diehard Sox fan) they might hire Hinch he said he would quit following them cause Hinch was a "proven cheater"
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I don’t want the cheater, sign stealing is part of the game but not organized cheating.
Tony LaRussa > Rickey and I’d guess 28 of the other managers in the game. I mean Dusty Baker is still managing.
I’ll admit it’s odd, but age is relative. Now if he starts talking like Biden about how he is running for the senate or puts pitchers into the game as pinch runners again - that’s another thing. Do we get a Vice Manager in case?
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I wonder if LaRussa could adapt to the "the relief pitcher has to pitch to three batters" rule? Wasn't he the master of the "there's three batters in an inning so I should use three pitchers" approach to bull pen management?
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I don’t want the cheater, sign stealing is part of the game but not organized cheating.
Tony LaRussa > Rickey and I’d guess 28 of the other managers in the game. I mean Dusty Baker is still managing.
I’ll admit it’s odd, but age is relative. Now if he starts talking like Biden about how he is running for the senate or puts pitchers into the game as pinch runners again - that’s another thing. Do we get a Vice Manager in case?
Back in January, Jack McDowell claimed the White Sox used a video system to steal signs in the 80's under LaRussa:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-jack-mcdowell-sign-stealing-20200117-vjqmgecsxrh5jepqldntttsouu-story.html
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2020/1/17/21070686/sign-stealing-jack-mcdowell-tony-larussa-comiskey-park
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Report: La Russa interviews with White Sox
https://www.mlb.com/news/manager-rumors-and-candidates
https://www.radio.com/670thescore/sports/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-conduct-interview-tony-la-russa-managerial-opening
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Cool pic. Look at the brick walls creating the dugout. Who knew!
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How can Grandal possibly be nominated for a Gold Glove after he dropped ball after ball on plays at the plate?? This is the exact areas where stats fail to capture the game. Framing phhhhbbbt - tag the runner!.
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How can Grandal possibly be nominated for a Gold Glove after he dropped ball after ball on plays at the plate?? This is the exact areas where stats fail to capture the game. Framing phhhhbbbt - tag the runner!.
Easy now fraujō, don't get too worked up over it, heh
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Twitter is saying Larussa is going to be announced as manager later today.
2020 is just so fun.
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Confirmed by the white sox twitter account. what a **** joke.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1321874797559750660
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Sigh. White Sox gonna White Sox. If I were Rick Hahn, I'd be typing up my letter of resignation.
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Tony La Russa named White Sox manager
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/tony-la-russa-named-white-sox-manager
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Oh lordy
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I'm ambivalent on the hire. While he's in his mid-70's he does have a terrific reputation and track record. Let's see who he hires as his coaches and what happens. If A.J. Pierzynski is the bench coach with plans to eventually succeed LaRussa, I'll be satisfied. Now, if Rick Hahn resigns over this move and Kenny returns as GM then I'll be concerned.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n7Bo9GTq-k
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zdqb-3Gffms
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I don’t want the cheater, sign stealing is part of the game but not organized cheating.
Tony LaRussa > Rickey and I’d guess 28 of the other managers in the game. I mean Dusty Baker is still managing.
I’ll admit it’s odd, but age is relative. Now if he starts talking like Biden about how he is running for the senate or puts pitchers into the game as pinch runners again - that’s another thing. Do we get a Vice Manager in case?
I’ll just repeat myself. Loveland is pleased we have upgraded! Bring it on!
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Rumor on Twitter is Hahn is quitting on Monday! **** tony larussa and jr.
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Rumor on Twitter is Hahn is quitting on Monday! **** tony larussa and jr.
I searched twitter and didn't find this. Do you have a Link? Prefer a credible professional source (national baseball writer or White Sox beat writer) not an unpaid upset fan/blogger or sports talk radio host.
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I'd be surprised if Rick Hahn quits next week. The time to quit was before the hire of LaRussa. Thinking about it, Hahn's is a great position now. If LaRussa is a failure, it's not Hahn's fault. He gets a pass from all in baseball. It's on JR +/or Kenny. If the LaRussa hire works out, Hahn gets some of the credit and he gets to bask in the glory of the rebuild. Best move for Hahn is to go with the flow for 2021, get paid and if he's really unhappy there will probably be a Team President position open after next season on the other side of town so he wouldn't have to move his family to another state. Also we don't know the time left on Hahn's contract. Is there a no compete clause in it that prevents him working for another team during the length of his contract if he quits now? No compete clauses usually aren't valid if your fired but they can be enforceable if you quit.
I, like most here, didn't want LaRussa to return but WE don't own the team. In the last 20 years or so, there have been many White Sox moves that I didn't like initially that worked out (like hiring Ozzie as manager and the Carlos Lee for Scottie Pods trade) and moves I liked initially than ended up not working (like signing Adam Dunn). I'm willing to give them time to prove us wrong.
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I also will give them time to prove they know much more about this than I do. Sox are my team, TLR is mgr of the Sox, so I am backing him now. I like your Hahn scenerio. I doubt he quits, if he does we can find another GM.
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LaRussa Is an upgrade over Rickey, period. This is a net positive
Apparently Hinch was never a real candidate for the White Sox (Loveland happens to believe JR doesn’t like cheaters) per Bob Nightengale. Who btw was proven to be correct - so he certainly seems to know what he is talking about
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Cripes Love, a rock would have been an upgrade. No matter who we chose that was going to happen. Was he the the guy with most potential to get us where we want to go, I sure hope so. Maybe he grooms some young guy to take over at some point. That would be ok. But Hinch would have been a good choice, agree with you that JR would not have stood for it.
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White Sox decline options on Edwin, Gio
Club picks up García's $3.5M option; reinstates Kopech, Lambert
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/edwin-encarnacion-gio-gonzalez-free-agents-2020
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10/30/20 - The Baltimore Orioles claimed 2B Yolmer Sanchez off waivers from the Chicago White Sox.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1322280282297389059
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"Cripes Love, a rock would have been an upgrade."
LOL
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Well I concur.
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Robert 1st Sox rookie since 1966 to receive Gold Glove
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/luis-robert-white-sox-wins-first-al-gold-glove-award
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Hard to believe he beat out Buxton. Buxton, IMHO, is one of the best I have ever seen. Much better than Robert on plays at the wall. Buxton led the league for CFs in runs saved. I guess Robert does play every day and Buxton misses a lot of time with injuries. I am glad he won, but he does have to get better on plays at the wall, think I saw him mess up almost a half dozen of those types.
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I read it was 1966 since the last Rookie for the Sox to win defensive award. Figured it was Tommy Agee and it was. Floyd Robinson in RF and Ken Berry in LF made it a really good defensive outfield. Hard to believe Agee played CF over Berry, thought it was other way around, guess not. With McCraw at 1B and Weis at 2B, Adair at SS (Hanson was hurt with bad back) and Buford at 3B (Ward also hurt with bad back) we had one helluva defense.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/1966.shtml
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Yup, remember that team well. One of the many great defense and pitching, no offense Sox teams of the 60's
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Yup, remember that team well. One of the many great defense and pitching, no offense Sox teams of the 60's
I did not realize how little Pete Ward and Ron Hansen played. If they had played and played like they could, and if Floyd Robinson hit more like a couple years earlier that team would have been even better.
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White Sox Announce Initial Dates
for 2021 Promotional Calendar
https://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/white-sox-announce-initial-dates-for-2021-promotional-calendar-c47ee7f9bb83
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White Sox name Katz pitching coach (source)
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/ethan-katz-named-white-sox-pitching-coach
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Wasn't Dave Duncan available?
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LOL. I heard a rumor LaRussa asked him, and Duncan elected to stay retired.
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Dave Duncan is employed by the White Sox. He was hired in February 2018. He's listed as a "Pitching Consultant".
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/press-release/white-sox-name-dave-duncan-organization-wide-pitching-consultant-266148990
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/team/front-office
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Never knew that.
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Cairo to be White Sox bench coach (source)
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/miguel-cairo-hired-white-sox-bench-coach
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https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1330936399734788098
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Giolito, new Sox pitching coach go way back
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/miguel-cairo-ethan-katz-white-sox-coaching-staff
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Ethan Katz and Miguel Cairo highlight
Tony La Russa’s coaching staff with the Chicago White Sox
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-coaching-staff-20201201-l2lndmiu7raexiuzjoatfwyhai-story.html
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Dave Duncan's son Shelley is a member of the 2021 White Sox coaching staff:
https://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/white-sox-announce-coaching-staff-for-2021-season-d099abeeeefe
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Mazara, Rodón non-tendered by White Sox
Jace Fry agrees to 1-year deal
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/nomar-mazara-carlos-rodon-non-tendered
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Glad we kept Fry. For that money he is worth hanging onto. Not always good but more often than not he gets the job done.
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thought Rodon was worth a gamble. what's 3 to 4 million when you sign an Adam Encanarcion for 13 million.
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Len Kasper is the new White Sox radio PBP announcer? Great news, but WTF is going on with Cubs Brass?
All I can think of is maybe Sox Brass knows Binetti is leaving to go national in a year to two, and Kasper had some issue with The Coob.
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Interesting thoughts from Blackie.
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I think it is really just his desire to do radio. And call a World Series. ;)
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Adam Eaton is back. Ugh.
Not a fan of this off-season so far, other than the Kaspar signing.
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Tony La Russa Reaches Plea Agreement Related To February Arrest
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/tony-la-russa-reaches-plea-agreement-related-to-february-arrest.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-tony-la-russa-dui-20201213-ouwijhrwhzabvpnk7cevfzzy6q-story.html
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Adam Eaton is back. Ugh.
Not a fan of this off-season so far, other than the Kaspar signing.
I really like the Lynn deal. Dunning is already 26. Ceiling is probably a 3/4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swgTbhMTgJg
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White Sox, Adam Engel Avoid Arbitration
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/white-sox-adam-engel-avoid-arbitration.html
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White Sox, Evan Marshall Avoid Arbitration
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/12/white-sox-evan-marshall-avoid-arbitration.html
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1344829105741688832
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guy is only 5'7, but fast & has a true RF arm:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENsqFWe3-xw
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White Sox To Sign Liam Hendriks
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/white-sox-to-sign-liam-hendriks.html
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/liam-hendriks-white-sox-deal
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/1/11/22226277/white-sox-land-top-free-agent-closer-liam-hendriks
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zxwuwKysDs&
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Hendricks is a stud and the contract was a smart one for the Sox. They didn't lose any prospects in this move and that lets them think about trading a couple of top ones for either a right fielder or a starting pitcher which are their remaining needs.
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Interesting contract structure.
3 years at $13M per year, then a 4th year at $15M or a buyout for $15M (paid out over 10 years).
3 years at $13M sounds actually pretty reasonable, and a 4th at $15 sounds reasonable.... not sure about $1.5M per year for 10 years to not pitch....
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Hendricks is a stud and the contract was a smart one for the Sox. They didn't lose any prospects in this move and that lets them think about trading a couple of top ones for either a right fielder or a starting pitcher which are their remaining needs.
No trades. Hold on to the younguns.
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Hendricks is a stud and the contract was a smart one for the Sox. They didn't lose any prospects in this move and that lets them think about trading a couple of top ones for either a right fielder or a starting pitcher which are their remaining needs.
No trades. Hold on to the younguns.
I have to disagree. When an organization goes after young talent, not all of the ones they sign succeed and the ones who do succeed are assets who have value to them. I think that smart organizations use the young players that they sign and develop not only to play for their team but also for trades to make the major league team better. Another way of saying this is...YOU CAN'T PLAY EVERYONE in your system. The object for a major league team is to win at the major league level and sometimes, to do that, you have to make some hard choices.
Look at the 60 man roster when you get a chance. It is LOADED with top quality young pitching talent at different levels. Not all of those guys are going to pitch for the White Sox and you can't hold onto them. The given is that Reinny is not going to over-spend money so you can only go to the free agent well so much. With that given in mind, and the two remaining needs to complete a championship caliber roster being a good veteran starting pitcher and a good right field bat I think that trading from the stock pile of the pitching assets that the Sox have is in order.
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I would only deal for a 3 year type player. We Eaton is the RFer. Trading a top 10 player better be to bring in a stud. We have plenty of options for 4/5 in the rotation. Maybe a DH but i think Vaughn will be solid
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Hendricks is a stud and the contract was a smart one for the Sox. They didn't lose any prospects in this move and that lets them think about trading a couple of top ones for either a right fielder or a starting pitcher which are their remaining needs.
No trades. Hold on to the younguns.
I have to disagree. When an organization goes after young talent, not all of the ones they sign succeed and the ones who do succeed are assets who have value to them. I think that smart organizations use the young players that they sign and develop not only to play for their team but also for trades to make the major league team better. Another way of saying this is...YOU CAN'T PLAY EVERYONE in your system. The object for a major league team is to win at the major league level and sometimes, to do that, you have to make some hard choices.
Look at the 60 man roster when you get a chance. It is LOADED with top quality young pitching talent at different levels. Not all of those guys are going to pitch for the White Sox and you can't hold onto them. The given is that Reinny is not going to over-spend money so you can only go to the free agent well so much. With that given in mind, and the two remaining needs to complete a championship caliber roster being a good veteran starting pitcher and a good right field bat I think that trading from the stock pile of the pitching assets that the Sox have is in order.
Click your heals while repeating ... FERNANDO TATIS, FERNANDO TATIS, FERNADO TATIS ...
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I would only deal for a 3 year type player. We Eaton is the RFer. Trading a top 10 player better be to bring in a stud. We have plenty of options for 4/5 in the rotation. Maybe a DH but i think Vaughn will be solid
I want a DH. Vaughn has not proven anything in the minors. He needs one full year at AA. He needs to earn the right to make the team, has a ways to go.
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I would only deal for a 3 year type player. We Eaton is the RFer. Trading a top 10 player better be to bring in a stud. We have plenty of options for 4/5 in the rotation. Maybe a DH but i think Vaughn will be solid
Eaton is no better than what we had last year in right field really. Mazara was sick and his career stats in several ways are better than Eaton. I wouldn't mind, actually that the Sox invite Mazara back on on a make the team or not type contract. He's only 26 years old and hits left handed. He also hit pretty well at the end of the season and in the play-offs.
If you get a feeling that I don't like Eaton, you'd be right:) I haven't liked him ever since he joined the Sox for the first time. I think that he's a hot dog and "ME" type of player.
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Hendricks is a stud and the contract was a smart one for the Sox. They didn't lose any prospects in this move and that lets them think about trading a couple of top ones for either a right fielder or a starting pitcher which are their remaining needs.
No trades. Hold on to the younguns.
I have to disagree. When an organization goes after young talent, not all of the ones they sign succeed and the ones who do succeed are assets who have value to them. I think that smart organizations use the young players that they sign and develop not only to play for their team but also for trades to make the major league team better. Another way of saying this is...YOU CAN'T PLAY EVERYONE in your system. The object for a major league team is to win at the major league level and sometimes, to do that, you have to make some hard choices.
Look at the 60 man roster when you get a chance. It is LOADED with top quality young pitching talent at different levels. Not all of those guys are going to pitch for the White Sox and you can't hold onto them. The given is that Reinny is not going to over-spend money so you can only go to the free agent well so much. With that given in mind, and the two remaining needs to complete a championship caliber roster being a good veteran starting pitcher and a good right field bat I think that trading from the stock pile of the pitching assets that the Sox have is in order.
Click your heals while repeating ... FERNANDO TATIS, FERNANDO TATIS, FERNADO TATIS ...
Gotta admit, that was a good response. However, there are a helluva more "can't miss" prospects that fail or are "meh" than turn into superstars. Besides....."ELIJAH is COMING":)
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I would only deal for a 3 year type player. We Eaton is the RFer. Trading a top 10 player better be to bring in a stud. We have plenty of options for 4/5 in the rotation. Maybe a DH but i think Vaughn will be solid
I want a DH. Vaughn has not proven anything in the minors. He needs one full year at AA. He needs to earn the right to make the team, has a ways to go.
I think that Vaugh will be called up mid-season. Just a guess. A lot will depend on whether they got after a right fielder or not. I want Brantley. If they do this they won't need a permanent DH. They will have Eaton, Abreu, hopefully Mercedes, Maybe Brantley, et al.
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White Sox Agree to Terms on One-Year Contracts With Lucas Giolito and Reynaldo López
https://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/white-sox-agree-to-terms-on-one-year-contracts-with-lucas-giolito-and-reynaldo-l%C3%B3pez-7951084eb4b8
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Eaton is unreliable. Always hurt. Frankly, I'd be looking at Joc Pederson as a platoon for RF and DH.
Engel is fine against LH and as defensive substitution.
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Eaton is unreliable. Always hurt. Frankly, I'd be looking at Joc Pederson as a platoon for RF and DH.
Engel is fine against LH and as defensive substitution.
I was not thrilled to get Eaton as our LH hitting RFer. Maybe if he platoons he will not get hurt as often. Engel for sure vs LHs, my grandma hit RHs better than Engel can. Anything decent out of RF will be such a bonus because we got absolutely nothing out of that slot last year.
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Eaton is unreliable. Always hurt. Frankly, I'd be looking at Joc Pederson as a platoon for RF and DH.
Engel is fine against LH and as defensive substitution.
I was not thrilled to get Eaton as our LH hitting RFer. Maybe if he platoons he will not get hurt as often. Engel for sure vs LHs, my grandma hit RHs better than Engel can. Anything decent out of RF will be such a bonus because we got absolutely nothing out of that slot last year.
Crap. Brantley was signed. I really liked the idea of him in RF. They still need a guy out there. Maybe Benetendi?
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Carlos Rodon is back... 1 year, $3 million.
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Carlos Rodon is back... 1 year, $3 million.
Rodon before everything is done may just be missing piece of a Sox starting rotation. There is no disputing his stuff when healthy, especially his breaking pitches. Whether Katz can work with him and get him into a good mind set control wise will be the key for him. I really love his pitching delivery. It is a classic one. Whoever taught him did a really good job.
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I agree, it is worth a shot to see if Katz can help him with his command. He seems to be healthy now, so I am glad to take the chance.
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White Sox To Sign Carlos Rodón
https://www.mlb.com/news/carlos-rodon-deal-with-white-sox
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/white-sox-to-sign-carlos-rodon.html
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I really wish that Rodon had been signed to a minor league contract. He really could use a couple of months pitching as a starter in a rotation to get his groove back. That shouldn't be done in the majors.
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I really wish that Rodon had been signed to a minor league contract. He really could use a couple of months pitching as a starter in a rotation to get his groove back. That shouldn't be done in the majors.
They might have not been able to get him to sign a minor league contract. He was a free agent not bound to the Sox. WE don't know what the negotiations were between Rodon's agent and the Sox? The next step is for him to pass a physical which could change everything.
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I really wish that Rodon had been signed to a minor league contract. He really could use a couple of months pitching as a starter in a rotation to get his groove back. That shouldn't be done in the majors.
Remember who his agent is....
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White Sox Designate Emilio Vargas
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/02/white-sox-designate-emilio-vargas.html
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Yeah, Vargas looks like one of those guys who got signed by an organization that thought that he could grow into a fast ball that was better than what it ended up being. 92-93 mph used to be the norm but not anymore. If you throw it at that velocity it had better have some great movement on it which I guess his doesn't. Maybe he can find a job as a reliever for somebody assuming his other pitches are decent and he can control him but I think that his days as a starting pitcher are no more:(
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Does anyone know if and when spring training is going to be held at Camelback? My buddy, son, and I were all set to spend a week there last year but the COvid crap canceled all that out:(
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P&C's report 2/17, full squad 2/22, first game 2/27
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White Sox To Sign Jonathan Lucroy To Minor League Deal
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/02/white-sox-to-sign-jonathan-lucroy-to-minor-league-deal.html
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Lucroy used to be good, not anymore.
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Lucroy used to be good, not anymore.
minor league deal and invited to spring training. He's fallen far from his all-star seasons but he might still be a better back-up alternative than Collins/Mercedes/Zavala.
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There's that something about former Brewers and the Sox.
(minus Jamie Navarro)
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Lucroy used to be good, not anymore.
minor league deal and invited to spring training. He's fallen far from his all-star seasons but he might still be a better back-up alternative than Collins/Mercedes/Zavala.
I agree, better than our current backups. Has to prove he can still do it.
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Lucroy used to be good, not anymore.
minor league deal and invited to spring training. He's fallen far from his all-star seasons but he might still be a better back-up alternative than Collins/Mercedes/Zavala.
I agree, better than our current backups. Has to prove he can still do it.
None of those guys will hit like Mercedes can. Hopefully, he'll get a fair shot unlike Rickey failed to give him.
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https://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/white-sox-announce-2021-player-development-staff-68c5ad2acf2f
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1359547957234827271/photo/1
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/2/10/22276200/white-sox-add-jerry-narron-to-coaching-staff
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/press-release/press-release-white-sox-invite-21-players-to-spring-training
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1359896110127587329
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Hamilton joins the White Sox
The White Sox agreed to a Minor League deal with veteran outfielder Billy Hamilton, with a non-roster invitation to Major League camp. Hamilton was with the team on Tuesday.
“I know [general manager] Rick [Hahn] described last year when they put [Jarrod] Dyson on the roster, the threat like that late in the game, where you can pinch-run him and he can make two or three bases that way,” White Sox manager Tony La Russa said. “His speed is a real weapon. I'm anxious to put him through the paces and see how he looks this year.”
Hamilton, 30, was released by Cleveland on March 13 after appearing in four Cactus League games. The switch-hitter, who homered for the Cubs in the last game of the 2020 regular season against the White Sox, has 305 career stolen bases in 840 games.
Adding Hamilton to the White Sox Opening Day roster would require creating a spot on the 40-man roster but also would give the South Siders another speed and defensive presence for late in the game.
“Sometimes, it's a luxury. You've got to have a roster,” La Russa said. “In Billy's case, he's been a player, not just a baserunner.
“He's an outfielder, had some good hitting years. There's no doubt there will be some games where if you can manufacture a run, it's the difference, and Billy's made a career of that.”
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/carlos-rodon-strikes-out-4-padres
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/03/white-sox-sign-billy-hamilton-to-minors-deal.html
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White Sox Discussing Extensions With Lucas Giolito, Andrew Vaughn
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/03/white-sox-discussing-extensions-with-lucas-giolito-andrew-vaughn.html
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a victim of Ricky's overuse in 2020 I Guess he doesn't have a "rubber arm":
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White Sox reliever Jimmy Cordero has Tommy John surgery
Cordero pitched in two games in spring training after ranking second in the American League in appearances in 2020.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/3/19/22340930/white-sox-jimmy-cordero-has-tommy-john-surgery
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jimmy-cordero-has-tommy-john-surgery
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/03/jimmy-cordero-undergoes-tommy-john-surgery.html
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1373710406439428097
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those 3 pitchers - T. Guerrero, McCray & Sadzeck were in my humble opinion worthy minor league FA signings.
Marco Hernandez (28) has hit .265 over 122 games in the majors. Didn't play at all during 2018, must have been hurt, but overall his stat line looks good. Decent insurance.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1373710406439428097
A wise man once said..."You Never have enough good "lefties":)
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those 3 pitchers - T. Guerrero, McCray & Sadzeck were in my humble opinion worthy minor league FA signings.
Marco Hernandez (28) has hit .265 over 122 games in the majors. Didn't play at all during 2018, must have been hurt, but overall his stat line looks good. Decent insurance.
Yep. I really liked Sadzeck. He just looks a bit nasty on the mound. Kind of an old school type of approach to pitching I think:)
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/03/white-sox-option-reynaldo-lopez-2.html
Lopez optioned.
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The current White Sox 40-man roster sits at 41 players. However that includes Jimmy Cordero who is/will be placed on the 60-day IL which doesn't count towards the 40-man limit. Eloy Jiménez is still listed as active and we can expect him to go the 60-day IL and Andrew Vaughn will be added to replace him on the active 40-man. Nick Lamb is already listed on the 40-man.
My question is which current 40-man roster player(s) will be dropped or placed on the 60-day DL to make room for any non-roster invitees added to the roster. If Billy Hamilton +/or Nick Williams make the team, move(s) must be made.
P. S. While Adam Engel won't be ready to play on opening day he won't be placed on the 60-man IL
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/roster/40-man
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/roster/nri
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White Sox roster: The Opening Day 26 for 2021 World Series chase
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-roster-opening-day-26-2021-world-series-chase
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So, has Adam Engel been placed on the 10 IL/DL?
Can't seem to find out anything per google or the Sox official site.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-put-eloy-jimenez-adam-engel-jace-fry-injured-list
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1378462784799784970
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https://www.mlb.com/news/yermin-mercedes-eric-hosmer-players-of-the-week
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1379170639299362816
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Even though I know he's a 25th or 26th roster guy at best, I like having Billy Hamilton on my team. Mainly because he wears Number Zero.
Stupid, I know. But it amuses me.
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Not ‘00’ just ‘p’. Way cool.
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p????
My stupid stupid phone. I am the only person in the world who spells the numeric value 0 wrong.
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Thought this interesting:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlL9CyrmD5E
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"Mainly because he wears Number Zero".
We had a cold snap in Denver a couple weeks ago and my wife commented that her smart phone said the temperature was "-0".
Then she muttered some comment about "millennials don't know anything about math"
(People of my generation like to blame anything stupid that happens on "....millennials")
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I replied that maybe she needed a new phone, as her's didn't seem to be so smart anymore.
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Adam Engel is now eligible to be activated from the 10-day IL. He's not in today's starting lineup and I don't see a roster move posted by the White Sox. Wonder how close he is to be 100%?
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Adam Engel is now eligible to be activated from the 10-day IL. He's not in today's starting lineup and I don't see a roster move posted by the White Sox. Wonder how close he is to be 100%?
found the answer on Scott Merkin's twitter feed: https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1381263446294007809
Next homestand starts Friday April 23rd.
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Adam Engel is now eligible to be activated from the 10-day IL. He's not in today's starting lineup and I don't see a roster move posted by the White Sox. Wonder how close he is to be 100%?
found the answer on Scott Merkin's twitter feed: https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1381263446294007809
Next homestand starts Friday April 23rd.
Wonder who goes down when Engel and Anderson come back. I don't think it will be Mendick. I hope it is Ruiz and Williams. Right now, this team is basically in survival mode offensively. I'll say this, I think that both Vaughn and Madrigal better start hitting pretty soon.
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I would send down Vaughn. Do not want him in LF, we have a 1Bman and Mercedez has won the DH spot for now. Williams would be other one I would send down, rather keep Mendick. They will not send down a pitcher
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Agreed.
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The bullpen, considered by many to be the best in the game, has five losses and four blown saves.
Hitting with runners in scoring position has been the biggest issue for the offense, especially during the five losses. Per MLB Network, the White Sox are 15-for-43 with 28 RBIs and a 1.129 OPS with RISP in their four victories, and 5-for-45 with seven RBIs and a .415 OPS over their five losses in the same scenario.
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The bullpen, considered by many to be the best in the game, has five losses and four blown saves.
Hitting with runners in scoring position has been the biggest issue for the offense, especially during the five losses. Per MLB Network, the White Sox are 15-for-43 with 28 RBIs and a 1.129 OPS with RISP in their four victories, and 5-for-45 with seven RBIs and a .415 OPS over their five losses in the same scenario.
The pen did look excellent against the Indians. I wouldn't be surprised if Heuer wasn't flipped with Hendrick eventually as the closer. The kid is a stud and he is very cool watching him under pressure. His slider and change-up are freeking unhittable combined with a 98-99 fastball.
As far as the pen as a whole, not all of the losses were due to bad pitching but also due to bad umpiring and bad defense. I think over-all that the pitching has been over-all good. None of the starters have gotten hit hard at all and the Sox have been in virtually all of the games thus far.
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I would send down Vaughn. Do not want him in LF, we have a 1Bman and Mercedez has won the DH spot for now. Williams would be other one I would send down, rather keep Mendick. They will not send down a pitcher
I would send down Ruiz and Williams. Vaughn doesn't look over-matched to me. I think he'll figure it out.
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Keeping Vaughn as a bench warmer is stupid - completely indefensible.
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Just a comment I don't think that you should bench a guy who is hitting better than anyone else in all of baseball. And hell, the way Grandal is screwing up both offensively and defensively, maybe you should have had Collins catch and Mercedes DH and have Grandal screw his head on straight. These veterans are not showing up except for Eaton. Granted they were facing the Cy Young award winner but that line-up that he faced was anemic going into that game.
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Cease to IL with COVID symptoms.
Burdi called up.
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Just a comment I don't think that you should bench a guy who is hitting better than anyone else in all of baseball. And hell, the way Grandal is screwing up both offensively and defensively, maybe you should have had Collins catch and Mercedes DH and have Grandal screw his head on straight. These veterans are not showing up except for Eaton. Granted they were facing the Cy Young award winner but that line-up that he faced was anemic going into that game.
I do not see them often, but if Collins can play an acceptable defense I would like to see him catch more often and let Mercedes keep DHing full-time, he may cool down but man he appears to be a major league hitter. He has over 3000 at bats and it shows.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=merced000yer
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Cease to IL with COVID symptoms.
Burdi called up.
I love Burdi. Are they going to put him in as a starter, though? Or will they go to a reliever day?
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My guess is Burdi is additional bullpen depth until Cease hopefully is cleared in a few days. Burdi will go back down with Cease's spot in the rotation comes up and Lopez will replace him if Cease isn't ready.
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My guess is Burdi is additional bullpen depth until Cease hopefully is cleared in a few days. Burdi will go back down with Cease's spot in the rotation comes up and Lopez will replace him if Cease isn't ready.
Maybe they do a bullpen start, let Kopech go first 2-3 innings.
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TRANSACTIONS
04/16/21 Chicago White Sox optioned RHP Zack Burdi to White Sox Alternate Training Site.
04/16/21 Chicago White Sox activated RHP Dylan Cease from the 10-day injured list.
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Sad state of affairs when the organization thinks McCray is better than Burdi. They're probably right.
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Sad state of affairs when the organization thinks McCray is better than Burdi. They're probably right.
First it's McRae and they don't think he's "better" just that having pitched three innings on Monday Burdi needs a few days rest and was "unavailable" to pitch if needed on Tuesday. McRae COULD have pitched on Tuesday if needed. Luckly, Rodon struggled but was able to go five full innings. The Sunday doubleheader and Monday's short outing by Giolito put a strain on the bullpen. A "fresh arm" from Schaumburg was an insurance policy.
I like Burdi. I've known the Bob Burdi Family since Zack was 7 years old & Nick was 9 both playing in the DGYB program. I want him to succeed but this was the right move by the White Sox.
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Adam Eaton has received a one-game suspension and an undisclosed fine for his aggressive actions and for inciting a benches-clearing incident last Thursday vs. Cleveland. The suspension had been scheduled to be served tonight, however, Eaton has elected to appeal.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1384669646759022593
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Sad state of affairs when the organization thinks McCray is better than Burdi. They're probably right.
First it's McRae and they don't think he's "better" just that having pitched three innings on Monday Burdi needs a few days rest and was "unavailable" to pitch if needed on Tuesday. McRae COULD have pitched on Tuesday if needed. Luckly, Rodon struggled but was able to go five full innings. The Sunday doubleheader and Monday's short outing by Giolito put a strain on the bullpen. A "fresh arm" from Schaumburg was an insurance policy.
I like Burdi. I've known the Bob Burdi Family since Zack was 7 years old & Nick was 9 both playing in the DGYB
program. I want him to succeed but this was the right move by the White Sox.
Everyone wants Burdi to succeed, he's a White Sox for cripes sake. The problem is he isn't adjusting to his lost velocity. He's got to learn how to put movement on his pitches or he's done.
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Burdi's problem isn't lost velocity as far as I am concerned. He throws is as hard as almost anyone. His problem just like it is the problem with Huerer right now is that sometimes he gets his slider up in the zone and hitters hit it. Burdi and Huerer to me are almost the same pitcher. They have wonderful stuff and mechanics but sometimes they miss up in the zone. Both are unhittable when their stuff is down. Hitters go up there looking for a pitch up and are hoping for it because they can't hit both Burdi's and Huerer's other stuff.
The pen over-all has been not as advertised going into the season. All of the relievers have had their problems other than Kopech and Marshall. With the lefties, it's matter of control. They have gotten behind a lot of hitter and walked too many. Maybe it is because of the cold weather. I don't know but I think it will sort itself out. Fortunately the starters have been very good over-all to a man.
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Everyone wants Burdi to succeed, he's a White Sox for cripes sake. The problem is he isn't adjusting to his lost velocity. He's got to learn how to put movement on his pitches or he's done.
...and you prefer him learning this while on the 26-man roster rather than in Schaumburg or Charlotte?
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I think that Tony is really convinced of Rodon's make-up as a pitcher. When you listen to Tony talk about players, one thing that comes across is that he wants his players to have guts and be competitive when they play. He wants his pitchers to battle on the mound when they don't have their best stuff. He talked about it with Lynn earlier and he talked about it with Rodon in yesterday's game. It is relatively easy to pitch when you feel strong, have good control of your pitches, etc. It is a different thing when things aren't working for you. Your best pitch or pitches whatever they are aren't working or you can't control them. Or sometimes when you have bad defense behind you, the umpire is screwing you, etc. But that is what separates the winners from the losers. Figuring out how to get hitters out.
So far, so good with Rodon. I think that he has found something within himself gut wise going forward. After the crap that he has experienced physically, it is good to see him showing what he can do and I think Tony recognizes it also.
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Tim Anderson is 10-for-23 with two homers and six runs scored in five games since coming off the IL last week, per MLB Network Gameday notes.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1384904691432267778
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Tim Anderson is 10-for-23 with two homers and six runs scored in five games since coming off the IL last week, per MLB Network Gameday notes.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1384904691432267778
Tim is their emotional leader as far as I am concerned. He is so animated and into each game. In the game yesterday Perez tried to pick him off of first and Tim just laughed and yelled something to Perez in fun. That is so great to me. A guy totally into the game but having a lot of fun while doing it. That kind of stuff is contagious. What a great player he has become.
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Everyone wants Burdi to succeed, he's a White Sox for cripes sake. The problem is he isn't adjusting to his lost velocity. He's got to learn how to put movement on his pitches or he's done.
...and you prefer him learning this while on the 26-man roster rather than in Schaumburg or Charlotte?
Ahhh, no!
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Everyone wants Burdi to succeed, he's a White Sox for cripes sake. The problem is he isn't adjusting to his lost velocity. He's got to learn how to put movement on his pitches or he's done.
...and you prefer him learning this while on the 26-man roster rather than in Schaumburg or Charlotte?
Ahhh, no!
So why were you bitchin' about Burdi being sent down and McRae taking his spot on the roster?
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I expect Eaton to serve his suspension once Engel returns from the IL, hence his appeal.
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wasn't bitching about Burdi being sent down, just said it was sad that a journeyman like McRae is a better option than a high draft pick.
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wasn't bitching about Burdi being sent down, just said it was sad that a journeyman like McRae is a better option than a high draft pick.
..except Budi was sent down, not because McRae was a better option, but because Burdi threw 49 pitches over 3 innings the day before and was unavailable to pitch, if needed, on Tuesday or Wednesday. The Sunday doubleheader along with Gio's short outing on Monday taxed the bullpen and a "fresh arm" from Schaumburg was added as insurance if Rodon couldn't go at least 5 innings. Burdi was the guy to go down because of his "unavailability" to pitch if needed and he still has options left so he didn't need to clear waivers.
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sorry, not buying it. Burdi stinks right now. Completely ineffective, doesn't deserve a spot on the ML roster. We have 13 pitchers on the roster, there's no emergency because 1 guy in your pen pitched 3 innings. The emergency is to find someone effective.
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sorry, not buying it. Burdi stinks right now. Completely ineffective, doesn't deserve a spot on the ML roster. We have 13 pitchers on the roster, there's no emergency because 1 guy in your pen pitched 3 innings. The emergency is to find someone effective.
Nah. First of all they don't need 13 pitchers. Secondly, Burdi is better than Ruiz right now and has a great future. Ruiz doesn't have a present let alone a future. Let the kid pitch in the bigs. He's legit.
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Still no Adam Engel. His injury must have been worse than originally reported.
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Pretty sure I read that his timetable got pushed back a week, and is now expected to return next weekend.
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Engle re-injured his ham.
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Engle re-injured his ham.
Ouch. Those things can take forever to get back to normal and cold damp weather is the worst. Look at Moncada. Just the way he moves makes me scared that his hammy is going to go out any minute. Even on his home run today, he looked like he felt something that was about to go out. Moncada and Engle to me are like running backs with thick thighs and buttocks. They are very strong but the hamstrings go out on running backs all of the time.
When I was playing ball my hammies were always very tight and luckily I had coaches who literally forced all of us to really stretch before we played. It hurt like hell but the alternative was having them go out and becoming unable to play.
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Injury updates
La Russa said pitcher Lance Lynn (strained right trapezius) will probably be back next week. Because of Monday’s upcoming off day, plus the two recent open dates, the Sox don’t have to push the 33-year-old righty.
As for Adam Engel (strained right hamstring), La Russa said he’s making progress but the team still thinks he won’t be back until early May.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/4/23/22400702/yasmani-grandal-knows-reason-for-three-catchers-interference-calls
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Steiver obviously didn't have it today. He will be sent down and Mendick brought back up for Tuesday's game. Its interesting to me how the cold affects some guys and not others. Watching Kopech today, his velocity was down a couple of ticks but he was still locating a very good fast ball well. I also noticed that he is actually cutting his fastball on occasion and getting an almost screwball effect against left handed hitters He got a couple of great strikeouts with a cut fastball that had the left handed hitter giving up on the inside pitch only to see it tail and get the inside edge of the plate. In that spot, lefties would be helpless 99% of the time.
To me, Kopech has surprised me more than almost any Sox player not named Mercedes. He looks confident and in command. I had my doubts but you cannot question the results thus far. Hitters look over-matched and he has faced a number of excellent hitters.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1387135260236857347
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1387122885542780933
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why Luis Gonzalez? With Leury G in center now you need a back up SS/2B. Mendick would be a logical choice (he can even play some OF.) Hamilton is the back up CF.
Again, why Luis Gonzalez? Simply because he's left handed would be dumb.
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why Luis Gonzalez? With Leury G in center now you need a back up SS/2B. Mendick would be a logical choice (he can even play some OF.) Hamilton is the back up CF.
Again, why Luis Gonzalez? Simply because he's left handed would be dumb.
Danny Mendick can't be recalled yet. He was sent down two days ago. I think the current time required in the minors after being optioned is 10 days (It might be 10 days for a position player and 15 days for a pitcher). Otherwise what would prevent a team from sending every starting pitcher who has options remaining to the minors in-between each of their regular rotation starts and replacing them with fresh bullpen arms?
The exception to this rule is if a player who plays the same position is placed on the IL, a recently option player can be recalled sooner. Mendick has played 2B, SS and 3B in the last two seasons so if Anderson, Moncada, Madrigal, Garcia or Lamb go on the IL, Mendick can be recalled immediately.
edited to add: The minimum number of days a player generally must remain on Optional Assignment to the minors will be ten days for both position players and pitchers in 2021. The "10-day rule" does not apply to players recalled as the "27th-man" for doubleheaders.
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I found it:
MLB Roster Limits Rules:
https://www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3506
https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2021/3/31/22359475/reminder-on-2021-mlb-playing-rules-and-covid-protocols
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why Luis Gonzalez? With Leury G in center now you need a back up SS/2B. Mendick would be a logical choice (he can even play some OF.) Hamilton is the back up CF.
Again, why Luis Gonzalez? Simply because he's left handed would be dumb.
Danny Mendick can't be recalled yet. He was sent down two days ago. I think the current time required in the minors after being optioned is 10 days (It might be 10 days for a position player and 15 days for a pitcher). Otherwise what would prevent a team from sending every starting pitcher who has options remaining to the minors in-between each of their regular rotation starts and replacing them with fresh bullpen arms?
The exception to this rule is if a player who plays the same position is placed on the IL, a recently option player can be recalled sooner. Mendick has played 2B, SS and 3B in the last two seasons so if Anderson, Moncada, Madrigal, Garcia or Lamb go on the IL, Mendick can be recalled immediately.
edited to add: The minimum number of days a player generally must remain on Optional Assignment to the minors will be ten days for both position players and pitchers in 2021. The "10-day rule" does not apply to players recalled as the "27th-man" for doubleheaders.
What if we cut lamb, can we cut lamb? are we cutting lamb?
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Cutting Lamb would not shorten the time frame for a possible Mendick's return. A position player going on the 10-day IL is the only way to bring back Mendick before the 10-day wait period.
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why Luis Gonzalez? With Leury G in center now you need a back up SS/2B. Mendick would be a logical choice (he can even play some OF.) Hamilton is the back up CF.
Again, why Luis Gonzalez? Simply because he's left handed would be dumb.
Danny Mendick can't be recalled yet. He was sent down two days ago. I think the current time required in the minors after being optioned is 10 days (It might be 10 days for a position player and 15 days for a pitcher). Otherwise what would prevent a team from sending every starting pitcher who has options remaining to the minors in-between each of their regular rotation starts and replacing them with fresh bullpen arms?
The exception to this rule is if a player who plays the same position is placed on the IL, a recently option player can be recalled sooner. Mendick has played 2B, SS and 3B in the last two seasons so if Anderson, Moncada, Madrigal, Garcia or Lamb go on the IL, Mendick can be recalled immediately.
edited to add: The minimum number of days a player generally must remain on Optional Assignment to the minors will be ten days for both position players and pitchers in 2021. The "10-day rule" does not apply to players recalled as the "27th-man" for doubleheaders.
What if we cut lamb, can we cut lamb? are we cutting lamb?
Silence that Lamb
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I thought that LaRussa managed a bad game yesterday. First, he should have lifted Giolitto after the game got tied. He also he totally messed up the running game throughout the game. He didn't send Anderson early in the game when he had two legit chances to and then sending him when two runs down was a mistake.
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Engel can't get back soon enough for me. And when he comes back, the Sox should look into adding someone other than Garcia to the roster. I know Grandal is playing for **** but they can't do much about that with his contract and his hitting history.
I know this. the lack of production from the middle of the batting order has cost the Sox about 4-5 games this season. Losing Jimenez no doubt hurt but Mercedes has really stepped into that void. But Moncada, Abreu, and Grandal have been awful. People make excuses for Abreu, but he looks to be trying to pull everything where past season he'd take the outside pitch or when he got jammed he took the pitch to right field. HE also need to get his head out of his ass and play like an MVP.
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Danny Mendick is back for one day only as the 27th man in a doubleheader. He'll need to back down tomorrow unless someone else goes on the IL.
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why Luis Gonzalez? With Leury G in center now you need a back up SS/2B. Mendick would be a logical choice (he can even play some OF.) Hamilton is the back up CF.
Again, why Luis Gonzalez? Simply because he's left handed would be dumb.
Danny Mendick can't be recalled yet. He was sent down two days ago. I think the current time required in the minors after being optioned is 10 days (It might be 10 days for a position player and 15 days for a pitcher). Otherwise what would prevent a team from sending every starting pitcher who has options remaining to the minors in-between each of their regular rotation starts and replacing them with fresh bullpen arms?
The exception to this rule is if a player who plays the same position is placed on the IL, a recently option player can be recalled sooner. Mendick has played 2B, SS and 3B in the last two seasons so if Anderson, Moncada, Madrigal, Garcia or Lamb go on the IL, Mendick can be recalled immediately.
edited to add: The minimum number of days a player generally must remain on Optional Assignment to the minors will be ten days for both position players and pitchers in 2021. The "10-day rule" does not apply to players recalled as the "27th-man" for doubleheaders.
What if we cut lamb, can we cut lamb? are we cutting lamb?
If you cut lamb that would be considered a lamb chop.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1388176576215461893
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1388277129855520769
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1389303463088173066
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Carlos Rodon overlooked by MLB as Gerrit Cole is named AL Pitcher-of-the-Month:
https://www.mlb.com/news/jacob-degrom-gerrit-cole-pitcher-of-the-month
Gerrit Cole Carlos Rodon
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#WhiteSox GM Rick Hahn will have Luis Robert injury update at 5 p.m.
https://twitter.com/scotgregor/status/1389326727101521925
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lots of bad news:
Luis Robert suffered a grade 3 strain of his hip flexor, which represents a complete tear. Further consultation with specialists in coming days to determine next steps.
Either way, the timeline is the same: Robert will not resume baseball activities for 12 to 16 weeks
Hahn said it's too soon to project a return for Robert.
Adam Engel had a setback with his rehab so the team said they are back to square 1 in term of his return. He is progressing but 3 weeks away from beginning a rehab assignment.
Reynaldo Lopez will begin season on IL at Charlotte. He had surgery yesterday on both of his corneas to correct a vision issue he was having presenting him with blurred vision. Should be back in 2 to 3 weeks.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1389339594169143297
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1389339789959303169
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1389339870900985862
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1389340114036445191
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1389340323390832642
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Well, that sucks.
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Terrifically pitched game. Bieberesque:)
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Put Cease in centerfield.
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Another day, another blunder by TLR. Mediocre manager at best.
Anyone want to share with me why he had Liam Hendricks as the ghost runner in the 10th? 50 bucks says TLR is either drunk during games, or doesnt even know or understand all the new rules at this point.
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Twitter has become my safe space...
https://twitter.com/SoxMach_pnoles/status/1390029699741626374
La Russa shared in his post game interview that “some of the guys in the dugout were questioning the decision to make the double switch”.
He was questioned and alerted that he had Liam Hendriks slotted to run on second base, to which he responded “I know”. #WhiteSox
Just wow....
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Ya'll are clouded by nostaligia for TLR. He's in the bottom 1/3rd of current MLB managers.
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I'm not a fan of the TLR hiring. Kind of made me want to puke. I'd have preferred getting one of the two cheaters instead.
White Sox gonna White Sox.
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I also was not a fan of it. Wanted the guy the Tigers got. But its my team and he is the mgr so I will back him until he shows me he is really inept, like Renteria did at the end of last season. We have a horrible owner and I am not surprised he forced the issue, freaking idiot, let your baseball men do their job. Surprised Hahn did not just up and leave.
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Tony La Russa did not know that he could have used Jose Abreu at second base as the free runner instead of closer Liam Hendriks. Was informed of an amendment to rule by
@JRFegan
. "I'm guessing you know the rules better. Now I know," he said.
So great. He didnt know the rule, when told about it in the dugout... he didnt listen. Love his patience with his own sh!tty decisions.
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I see you're still butthurt that your choice for manager wasn't hired.
He was not "told in the dugout". He was told about it by a reporter (James Fegan) in the press conference after the loss. The entire coaching staff didn't know the rule. Blame is on ALL the coaching staff. Usually one coach is assigned to be the "rules guy" not necessarily the manager. Don't know if that duty was assigned to Narron, Cairo or McEwing but one of them should have caught it and pointed it out to TLR. TLR deserves some of the blame as the buck stops at his desk but the bench coach should have know it. My biggest problem with today's game (besides Holbrook squeezing Kopech in the 8th & 9th which total changed the game and forced the Sox to bring in Hendriks early on a double switch) was PHing Mercedes to lead off the 8th. Mendick should have PH leaving Mercedes available for the 10th with a runner in scoring position. Also no reason for Garcia to attempt to steal 2nd in the 10th. Odds were very slim the Reds could have turned a doubleplay if Hamilton hit a groundball.
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"La Russa shared in his post game interview that “some of the guys in the dugout were questioning the decision to make the double switch”."
Sounds like he was told in the dug out.
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"La Russa shared in his post game interview that “some of the guys in the dugout were questioning the decision to make the double switch”."
Sounds like he was told in the dug out.
from the Sun Times:
La Russa, and obviously none of his coaches including bench coach Miguel Cairo, was not aware of the rule until a reporter read it to him after the game.
“I’m guessing you know the rules better,” La Russa said. “Now I know.”
you got your info from a twitter feed of a TLR hater. BTW, WTF is Patrick Nolan? Besides a blogger/podcaster on a sox fan website. What's his credentials? Was he ever a paid professional beatwriter for a legitimate news organization? A pro scout? Or is he a college student who thinks he's a "journalist" reporting from his dormroom/mom's basement? What's his resume/CV? Can't find anything on LinkedIn or even googling him which I take as a bad sign.
I actually watched the entire game and the TLR's presser on the CSNChicago postgame show. Did you? I didn't hear what you claim he said. Unless you have a link to the actual audio or video of TLR saying he didn't believe the dugout I won't believe the twitter trash. I'm sure if he said what your anti-TLR twitter feeds claim the audio/video will be posted. So far none of the 3 Chicago dailies beatwriters, the Sox MLB.com beatwriter and TheAthletic.com beatwriter are reporting what your/PNolan claims.
I didn't like the hiring of TLR either. I also didn't want them to hire one of the cheaters (Cora & Hinch) either. I wanted them to lure Bruce Bochy out of retirement but they hired TLR. What I wanted or YOU wanted doesn't matter. Ownership hires the management. I learned early in business that "the owner isn't always right but the owner is always the owner". Petulant disgruntled "fans" aren't going to change it. As Hawk would say: sit back, relax and strap it down and we'll see what happens. Season doesn't end for 4+ more months. Don't give yourself an ulcer bitchi' about it. I'm looking at a team that was tied for 1st this morning that has played with a huge gapping hole in their lineup due to injuries from day 1.
Complaining about Hamilton playing is foolish. The outfield is decimated. All 4 of their top OFers are hurt. It's not like Eloy, Engel, Robert & Eaton (in an 0-17 slump with a knee bruise) were ready to play in his place.
BTW, tell us about the great managing job "your guy" A.J. Hinch is doing with the last place 8-22 Tigers. LOL
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I see you're still butthurt that your choice for manager wasn't hired.
He was not "told in the dugout". He was told about it by a reporter (James Fegan) in the press conference after the loss. The entire coaching staff didn't know the rule. Blame is on ALL the coaching staff. Usually one coach is assigned to be the "rules guy" not necessarily the manager. Don't know if that duty was assigned to Narron, Cairo or McEwing but one of them should have caught it and pointed it out to TLR. TLR deserves some of the blame as the buck stops at his desk but the bench coach should have know it. My biggest problem with today's game (besides Holbrook squeezing Kopech in the 8th & 9th which total changed the game and forced the Sox to bring in Hendriks early on a double switch) was PHing Mercedes to lead off the 8th. Mendick should have PH leaving Mercedes available for the 10th with a runner in scoring position. Also no reason for Garcia to attempt to steal 2nd in the 10th. Odds were very slim the Reds could have turned a doubleplay if Hamilton hit a groundball.
That is not the report that I heard about the Hendricks move. Whatever happened, it is on Tony for screwing up this game. He did everything wrong in that 10th inning. Having their worst hitter and fastest man who is known to be a good bunter was the worst part. Then there was the idiocy of not having a decent baserunner reading the throw to second base and taking off for the plate. Mendick or Eaton on rd base score that run easily. Another thing. Tony has not used Hamilton correctly ever since he was brought in. The ONLY asset that this guy has is ability to run and speed in the outfield.
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The cheater told his boys multiple times to stop and supposedly even threw a video screen or something away to try to get them to stop. But those darn naughty players just got a new one, set it up, and kept right on going at it. At least that is what we are told. Yep - that’s the person we should have hired he really seems to have had the respect of his guys.
The problem with yesterday’s game is that MLB is asking all of us to swallow little league rules. It is unpalatable and a horrible way to decide a 0-0 game. Unfair to everyone and the loser is inevitably going to feel cheated.
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Yes... the problem is the rules 29 other teams are following without issues... not our manager who seems to be unable to keep up...
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Just to be clear, the runner on 2nd rule is an abomination.
Nonetheless, 29 other teams seem to get it right.
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Just to be clear, the runner on 2nd rule is an abomination.
Nonetheless, 29 other teams seem to get it right.
AMEN!!!
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Well, at least we can finally say that we've found an example of an AL manager being confused by NL-specific rules / lack of DH.
So there's that.
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Yes... the problem is the rules 29 other teams are following without issues... not our manager who seems to be unable to keep up..
Just to be clear, the runner on 2nd rule is an abomination.
Nonetheless, 29 other teams seem to get it right.
While this rule took effect in 2020, the NL home games had a DH last year so this option was not even in play. AFAIK this was the first time an extra inning game had the "pitchers spot in the batting order" come up as "the last batter in the previous inning" which allowed for this ridiculous "courtesy runner-like" option. So you are stretching the truth in saying 29 other teams are getting it right since this situation hadn't occurred in MLB before yesterday's game.
Yes somebody in that dugout should have known the rule and pointed it out to Tony. Jerry Narron and Miguel Cairo are in that dugout not to get a good view of the game but to point out and advise the manager of a situation he might not see. Shelley Duncan, the Analytics Coordinator, is also in that dugout. Why didn't he point out the option to use Abreu as the runner? Somebody in that dugout, not just the manager, should be a "rules expert" and point out these obscure rules options when the situation comes up.
At least be honest and admit you're taking advantage of this "controversy" to get your shots in against a manager you disliked from the day he was hired.
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Larussa is the manager. He has one job...
Never should have come to that though. Offense with Anderson, Madrigal and Eaton should be able to manufacture a run in that game. Can't wait for Abreu to pop a HR.
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Having said that, I'll segway into BOP's Eaton discussion from the other topic to point out my shock that it is May and Eaton is not in a body cast...
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Having said that, I'll segway into BOP's Eaton discussion from the other topic to point out my shock that it is May and Eaton is not in a body cast...
Not grindy enough.
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ISF is back because the Facebook Sox groups he pointed me to are boring. This is the kind of witty discussion I stay here for.
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"courtesy runner-like" option
That's an interesting way to put it. Been told for years how the NL offered "real" or "pure" baseball because the pitcher has to hit.
So why don't they have to run?
(And I know its only in the extra innings situations)
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Bwahahaha!
That’s great Pete Ward. The pure form of the abomination of desolation should indeed have pitchers running.
Btw. I remember when TLR used pitchers as pinch runners. Jimmy Piersall was all over him for that. Oops - Loveland ages herself.
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from white sox twitter:
Luis Robert will not require surgery as part of the recovery & healing process for the grade 3 strain of his right hip flexor. After consultations with a number of specialists, it was determined rest & rehabilitation would be the appropriate course of action for a full recovery.
An update on Robert’s progress will be provided in approximately eight weeks.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1390761225408155649
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Get Rodon signed to a contract really soon please Mr. Hahn. He's REALLY GOOD:)!!!!!
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from white sox twitter:
Luis Robert will not require surgery as part of the recovery & healing process for the grade 3 strain of his right hip flexor. After consultations with a number of specialists, it was determined rest & rehabilitation would be the appropriate course of action for a full recovery.
An update on Robert’s progress will be provided in approximately eight weeks.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1390761225408155649
I wouldn't be at all surprised if when Robert comes back, he comes back as a right fielder and will lose some of his great speed. Perhaps when Engel comes back, he will be a permanent fixture in center field for the remainder of the season.
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Get Rodon signed to a contract really soon please Mr. Hahn. He's REALLY GOOD:)!!!!!
Boros would never allow it.
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Get Rodon signed to a contract really soon please Mr. Hahn. He's REALLY GOOD:)!!!!!
Boros would never allow it.
Its really up to the player though. I guess what i am saying is that the Sox really should engage with Rodon and his agent to get a contract done. For one thing, I believe that Rodon has probably struck a relationship with Katz as his pitching coach. HE certainly didn't turn into this monster of a starting pitcher on his own. And I am not talking about trying to short change Rodon on the cheap either or expect some home town advantage stuff. Go after him HARD, I say and do it now. The Sox have proven to be adventurous in locking up young hitters. Do it with young pitchers also. That is the only way that they will be able to compete for multiple championships from now on.
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Boros would never give up a golden opportunity to go FA and get the MAX. Ain't gonna happen.
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I know he's been awesome, but let's not forget the injury history. I'd be leery of any long-term deal after a career best month...
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career best month
snicker
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I know he's been awesome, but let's not forget the injury history. I'd be leery of any long-term deal after a career best month...
Different mechanics. Simpler delivery with greater easy heat and not afraid of the bat anymore. He's a completely different pitcher. There is an element of risk for all pitchers but Hahn should be aggressive going after him. Sure there is a risk but anytime you sign a guy for mega-bucks there is risk and Reinny sure has the damned money to spend.
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Grandal's stats:
AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG
Last 7 Games 12 5 1 0 1 16 6 0 .083 .586 .083
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Grandal's stats:
AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG
Last 7 Games 12 5 1 0 1 16 6 0 .083 .586 .083
That is about as ridiculous a stats line for a player that I have ever seen in my life. Granda is fortunate that he won't have to face Rodon or Lynn this year, eh? With the way he is "swinging the bat", he'd be something like 1 for 28 facing guys who don't mess around with nibbling.
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1 rbi in the last 7 games. (was on a sacrifice I believe)
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Hard to believe that will continue. That said, when Lucroy's mileage ran out, it wasn't a stretched out affair.
Collins is batting .220, but OPS is .762 and he's thrown out 25% of runners.
I think you give Grandal a little time to work through it. Maybe sit him down for a series to clear his head. But we're already down Robert and Jimenez, so if we get into June and it isn't getting any better...
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McCann hitting 208. Every time I look his average is lower.
But it as still a mistake.
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Sure there is a risk but anytime you sign a guy for mega-bucks
Dunn, LaRoche, Grandal...
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Sure there is a risk but anytime you sign a guy for mega-bucks
Dunn, LaRoche, Grandal...
We really have a bad track record
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If Rodon keeps pitching like this for another month, I wouldn't object to a 3-year contract extension for $15M, $15M and $17M with a $2M
team buyout. So a 2-year guarantee of $32M with a third year team option that would be a total of $47M if the WS exercise the option.
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Kopech is the probable extra starter for the DH on Friday.
Did Sox management collectively forget how to count? We have an off day today - therefore we do not need to have a 6th starter until Saturday. This is the 2nd time we have done this this year - in the last occurrence I believe we had an off day the day after and didn’t need a 6th starter at all. I also think it messed Gialito up.
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I think they are purposely giving guys extra rest in the rotation.
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I think they are purposely giving guys extra rest in the rotation.
That could be. Its the old trade-off between rest and routine. Also, pitchers are really flaky as a general rule. As a former one, I resemble that remark.
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According to a Scott Merkin tweet yesterday, TLR said that Kopech will probably start on Friday. Last week he said he prefers "soft tossers" like Keuchel to stay on their 5 day routine and give the extra day of rest to the hard throwing starters when the schedule permits.
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Whatever he is doing with the rotation I am ok with it because it is working. Best starter ERA in AL (maybe all of baseball). Surprised to see we are 2nd in batting average behind Boston on the offensive side. Last in homers.
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from Scott Merkin's twitter feed:
Updated White Sox starters:
Thursday: RHP Lance Lynn
Friday: RHP Lucas Giolito and TBD
Saturday: LHP Carlos Rodon
Sunday: RHP Dylan Cease
Rodon originally was scheduled to pitch Thursday vs. Twins. Kopech is a possibility for Friday, based on recent comments from La Russa
Rodon had a little hamstring tightness,, per La Russa, so the White Sox didn't want to push him for Thursday.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1392582640520343557
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1392586030302343171
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Can we release Jake Lamb now?
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Can we release Jake Lamb now?
Adam Engel should return to the White Sox sometime this month, per La Russa. The outfielder has been sidelined since the end of Spring Training by a right hamstring strain, but he has been ramping up activity.
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Can we release Jake Lamb now?
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Can we release Jake Lamb now?
Oh, hell no. He's batting 2nd today in Tony's line-up:( This is the second or third time he has done this crap this year. This is like a throwaway game to me. I hate it.
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Looking at the box score and see some guy named Lamb hit a home run today.
Couldn't have been Jake Lamb cause as I understand it, he really sucks.
<snicker>
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Looking at the box score and see some guy named Lamb hit a home run today.
Couldn't have been Jake Lamb cause as I understand it, he really sucks.
<snicker>
What's the expression? Even a blind squirrel can stumble onto a nut to eat sometime:)
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1393234914036830210
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José Abreu is day-to-day after leaving the game with a facial contusion and laceration as well as a bruised left knee.
The initial assessment for a concussion was negative.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1393301205821046786
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BOP, yeah I think Lamb sucks too. Just found it amusing that there were a number of posts denigrating him and them he hits a key home run. Couldn't resist the free shot!
Even a broken clock gives the correct time twice a day.
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José Abreu will miss the entirety of the Sox series with the Twins due to ankle inflammation. He suffered the injury during his ninth-inning slide yesterday. X-rays were negative, and an MRI showed inflammation. He's expected back for the weekend series against the Yankees.
https://twitter.com/VinnieDuber/status/1394393854594277376
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https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/05/18/tony-la-russa-says-yermin-mercedes-made-a-mistake-swinging-3-0-says-there-will-be-consequences/
F!uck Tony larussa.
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Mercedes either "missed' or "ignored" a take sign. There should be consequences. Probably a fine and a warning not to do it again. Can't ignore it or it leads to the players running the show. Just like your golden boy A.J. Hinch did in Houston by not putting an end to the cheating. BTW, how's he doing with his new team? My cousins in Detroit are telling me the fans want him fired already.
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Meh.
Feelings were hurt.
Waah.
Next.
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Mercedes either "missed' or "ignored" a take sign. There should be consequences. Probably a fine and a warning not to do it again. Can't ignore it or it leads to the players running the show. .
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Ugh. Loveland uses the quote feature.
He didn’t bench him - which leaves me to believe it was bluster. Talk can be cheap.
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Mercedes either "missed' or "ignored" a take sign. There should be consequences. Probably a fine and a warning not to do it again. Can't ignore it or it leads to the players running the show. Just like your golden boy A.J. Hinch did in Houston by not putting an end to the cheating. BTW, how's he doing with his new team? My cousins in Detroit are telling me the fans want him fired already.
I doubt he missed or ignored any take sign. Who in the hell in a blow out game like that one has coaches give signs to anyone. Hell, at that point all of the players just want the game to end quickly. As for Hinch, he is a bum and I sure as hell didn't want him to manage the Sox either. My guy was Bruce Bochey. I just hope tony doesn't screw up the clubhouse. This isn't the Cardinals or Athletics clubhouse. As for the players not running the show, how do you explain the roided up parade of players that Tony looked the other way at during his career. And that was the greatest amount of cheating that ever took place in baseball history.
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Loveland,
Can You Imagine what the clubhouse would have been like if tony had benched Mercedes? Over this "supposed" missed sign in a 16-4 game. If he had benched Mercedes, with Abreu out of the line-up, he should have been fired on the spot. Hell, without Mercedes after losing Jimenez, Robert, Engel, and now Abreu, this team would not be in first place. Hell, the guy is hitting .370.
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Listening to the stats.... BoP - I would highly disagree with your assessment earlier that Grandal is the "easiest out" in the lineup.
He's literally getting on base (read: "avoiding outs") over half of the time he steps to the plate. He's walking at an otherworldly 46% rate, and he's getting on base at a .542 rate.
Quite literally, he's the hardest guy to get out right now.
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Yeah. You're right about that. Can't argue with any player that has a his OBP.
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I just read that Tony actually said that he had APOLOGIZED to the Twins for Mercedes swinging at that 3-0 "pitch"!!!! He also said that he talked to Mercedes and that "he wouldn't do it again":(
Between this statement and saying earlier that he "didn't think the Twins pitcher was throwing at Mercedes", Tony has lost his marbles both in his head and below. With several veteran players standing up for Mercedes by their actions and their statements, I think Tony is heading for trouble with this team.
Tony just needs to shut the hell up discussing **** with the media like this. When questioned by the media, a manager doesn't have to answer questions like this and by simply telling the reporter that it was handled internally with the team it maintains the locker-room. Not this crappola. ALready it is clear that Anderson and Lynn and Marshall vocally didn't like what happened. IF Tony loses Abreu also and the Latin guys, this can really go bad in a hurry.
And all this is happening when the Sox are in first place. Imagine the problems headed Tony's way when they go on a losing streak?
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Bird,
He was, and is, trying to diffuse the situation so Mercedes didn’t get thrown at - which he was anyhow. The Twins are like a lighted fuse right now due to their record in contrast with their expectations. - the last thing that was needed for the Sox was a fight ending up with several players suspended or worse yet someone getting hurt.
By putting the attention on himself it removed it from the field, more or less. It all would have worked perfectly but for Bummer and the choice. It to walk Polanco
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Bird,
He was, and is, trying to diffuse the situation so Mercedes didn’t get thrown at - which he was anyhow. The Twins are like a lighted fuse right now due to their record in contrast with their expectations. - the last thing that was needed for the Sox was a fight ending up with several players suspended or worse yet someone getting hurt.
By putting the attention on himself it removed it from the field, more or less. It all would have worked perfectly but for Bummer and the choice. It to walk Polanco
I agree, TLR was being diplomatic about the entire affair.
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I half wonder, with the politicking around the intentional throwing at / behind guys, etc., if LaRussa is just making public apologies so that, in public, it looks like the Twins are babies who can't get over it.
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Note: I don't actually believe that....
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Bird,
He was, and is, trying to diffuse the situation so Mercedes didn’t get thrown at - which he was anyhow. The Twins are like a lighted fuse right now due to their record in contrast with their expectations. - the last thing that was needed for the Sox was a fight ending up with several players suspended or worse yet someone getting hurt.
By putting the attention on himself it removed it from the field, more or less. It all would have worked perfectly but for Bummer and the choice. It to walk Polanco
I do not agree. Managers have to stand up for their players. Tony should have just shut his damn mouth and kept the thing internal. By calling Mercedes basically a dumb ass, he insulted his player. As for "apologizing" to the Twins, that really pisses me off. ANd it obviously pissed off a lot of players not only the Sox but across the league.
Also, Tony made an asinine comment after Lynn stood up for Mercedes with his idiotic statement that Lynn has a locker and Tony has an OFFICE. Guess what, Tony. I think Lynn knows that and to belittle him also accomplishes nothing. Tony is screwing the season up. HE never should have been hired in the beginning and if he continues with screwing up the clubhouse and they don't win the championship because of his stupidity, then thats on Tony and management.
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Bird,
He was, and is, trying to diffuse the situation so Mercedes didn’t get thrown at - which he was anyhow. The Twins are like a lighted fuse right now due to their record in contrast with their expectations. - the last thing that was needed for the Sox was a fight ending up with several players suspended or worse yet someone getting hurt.
By putting the attention on himself it removed it from the field, more or less. It all would have worked perfectly but for Bummer and the choice. It to walk Polanco
I agree, TLR was being diplomatic about the entire affair.
"Diplomatic"? There is no diplomacy in competitive sports. The object of a competition is to WIN. If the Twins have a sore butt because they lost a game 16-4, then they should have pitched better and not get their panties in a twist if their fat Hispanic guy got beat by our fat Hispanic guy. And, for the record, I love fat Hispanic guys who can hit which both of those guys can do pretty well:)
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I doubt he missed or ignored any take sign. Who in the hell in a blow out game like that one has coaches give signs to anyone.
Third base coach Joe McEwing confirmed Yermin was given a take sign on the 3-0 pitch:
from Scott Merkin's twitter account:
Third base coach Joe McEwing acknowledged there was a take sign for Yermin Mercedes at 3-0 Monday. He also said the matter was handled and everyone is moving forward.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1395064573695254530
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Well, who does the 3rd base coach work for?
I cannot believe and no one will ever convince me that any manager or coach in a 15-4 blow-out would be giving any signs to a hitter on any count. It was a freeking CIRCUS out there. Lets see. Think that there would be any controversy if Mercedes had popped out or swung and missed? Hell no. But the odds of him doing exactly that on that EEPHUS pitch were probably much better than to somehow hit that thing 429 feet to dead center field.
Also, did you see Mercedes celebrating or showing off as he rounded the bases? Nope. I think that he just didn't want to be embarrassed by this guy throwing puss at him. He wasn't violating the "old rules" then, right? Its just BS what LaRussa and the whining Twins did.
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IF you dont want hitters to swing at 3-0 pitches, send a real pitcher out there.
When it comes time for salary arbitration will the White Sox kindly add hits/RBI's/HR's to hitters that take on 3-0 counts?
The Twins tried to save a BP arm for the next day, why should we let them off the hook? force them to burn another RP. If you want to send position players out to pitch, be prepared for them to have some silly ERAs.
The irony of TLR knocking Mercedes for unwritten rules, while just 2 weeks ago, he didnt even know the WRITTEN rules of baseball... is not lost on me.
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IF you dont want hitters to swing at 3-0 pitches, send a real pitcher out there.
When it comes time for salary arbitration will the White Sox kindly add hits/RBI's/HR's to hitters that take on 3-0 counts?
The Twins tried to save a BP arm for the next day, why should we let them off the hook? force them to burn another RP. If you want to send position players out to pitch, be prepared for them to have some silly ERAs.
The irony of TLR knocking Mercedes for unwritten rules, while just 2 weeks ago, he didnt even know the WRITTEN rules of baseball... is not lost on me.
That is A TERRIFIC POINT:) Funny also:)
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Go take it to shallow social media platforms where I guess someone cares 3 days later - before the next big thing comes around to suck all your energy.
The goal is to win games is it not?
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And btw - not knowing the runner at 2nd rule was far more egregious.
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Oh i agree.. thats why its sad TLR is "dealing with" mercedes.
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Adam Engel is heading to join the Charlotte Knights tomorrow for his rehab assignment. Hopefully he'll be back within a week to 10 days and we'll see Jake Lamb DFA'd.
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The Sox getting swept in New York and the controversy with Mercedes preceding it presents a real test for the Sox doesn't it? I called this team equivalent to the Indians make-up wise right now and basically that is a good team which would be carried by its pitching. However, a lot of interest is going on with how Tony is managing this team and the general consensus around baseball right now including myself is that Tony is mismanaging this team and they are actually losing games that they should have or at least could have won.
This team is not a team that can afford to lose tight games It is not some kind of juggernaut. When Jimenez and Robert get back then it is a completely different hitting club but there is no guarantee that they will return as they were before they were injured in time to help the Sox. So, what should they do? Just ride things out with Tony at the helm screwing pretty basic things up sometimes and having 3-4 guys in the line-up way too often that are not legitimate MLB starting players and limp into the play-offs? Having Garcia, Eaton, Collins, Lamb, appearing way too often in a line-up is not the mark of a good baseball team. Not only because they cannot hit well but also their presence puts the other hitters under more pressure to deliver runs.
Once again I think that Hahn needs to act and not wait much longer. I think Tony needs to be replaced. Bochey or Alomar are my choices. And the Sox need two legit threats in the existing line-up on a regular basis. To me, that is just SMART. If management waits too long they will screw up the great reaction of Sox fans for the team that is building.
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That was funny.
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I am guessing Hahn does not have the authority to fire LaRussa.
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Having Garcia, Eaton, Collins, Lamb, appearing way too often in a line-up is not the mark of a good baseball team.
1) Garcia --> who else can we play in CF? Hamilton?
2) Eaton --> who else can we play in RF?
3) Collins --> so you're advocating starting Grandal behind the plate every day?
4) Lamb --> no argument here.
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My point is this. When you have 4 shitty hitters playing a lot on a team, you do not have a good hitting team. Fix it. Right now Lynn has not given up a hit in the 6th inning and they are ready to score a run off of him and they will probably lose the damned game. This line-up is awful. Hahn needs to FIX this team. 1-0 on a hit called that should have been an error on Anderson.
Biggest crowd of the year and the Sox are hitting like crap and have been for over a week. Ironically that was when LaRussa went really stupid in the blow-out with Minn. This is going to get really nasty when the fans turn on them. Right now you can hear a mouse in the stands. They are not happy. They are already pissed off about LaRussa but when you have a team telling you that guys hitting .140-.220 are the best that your organization has, they will stop showing up.
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That was funny.
What was "funny"?
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I am guessing Hahn does not have the authority to fire LaRussa.
Probably not. We have the horse **** owner of the Sox to deal with unfortunately:(
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I can agree with you on this one.
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Vaughn starting to show more and more power. Lots of hard grounders and liners. Kopech with nice relief
These two are an example of staying the course, do not start trading our real good kids (not many left) for a 1 year "fix" type scenerio. Another board I scan had guys screaming this off season for the Sox to trade both Vaughn and Kopech together for some starting pitcher from Cincy I think. Maybe it was Seattle. Anyway, even tho I am an old man, I want us to build for long-term, even if that means we struggle some this year without Eloy and Robert.
I am ecstatic about being where we are at this point in the season. If you had told me we would be without Eloy, Robert and Engel I would have scoffed at that. Stay the course, TLR is doing something right.
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I'll rag on TLR (like the Mercedes Incident), but overall he's been doing a better job than any manager we've had in recent memory.
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Vaughn starting to show more and more power. Lots of hard grounders and liners. Kopech with nice relief
These two are an example of staying the course, do not start trading our real good kids (not many left) for a 1 year "fix" type scenerio. Another board I scan had guys screaming this off season for the Sox to trade both Vaughn and Kopech together for some starting pitcher from Cincy I think. Maybe it was Seattle. Anyway, even tho I am an old man, I want us to build for long-term, even if that means we struggle some this year without Eloy and Robert.
I am ecstatic about being where we are at this point in the season. If you had told me we would be without Eloy, Robert and Engel I would have scoffed at that. Stay the course, TLR is doing something right.
I disagree with you about staying the course. There is no reason to. They need a couple of major league bats in the present line-up. I am not talking also about trading guys like Vaughn and Kopech. But there is a great amount of hihgly regarded pitching at every level in their minor league system so why not use one or two of those guys to get a legit bat or two to put in the present line-up? Not all of these guys are going to make the major league team. It just doesn't happen. I count about 10-12 legit arms in the minors that could be tapped to land a good major league hitter. It is foolish not to use it.
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Our "attractive" minor league pitching is not attractive to other orgs. Good chance we will be near last in our minor league potential this next rating.
We have 3-4 arms in low A ball that someone would want. Other than that, not much.
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Our "attractive" minor league pitching is not attractive to other orgs. Good chance we will be near last in our minor league potential this next rating.
We have 3-4 arms in low A ball that someone would want. Other than that, not much.
Nope.
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have to agree with Min, at AAA & AA there's little. Stiever, Burdi, Lambert & Tyler Johnson are the only guys in the top 24 ranked Sox prospects and NONE of them are pitching well.
Looking at the pitchers on the list of top 30 prospects and I'm kinda shocked to see names of pitchers like Caleb Freeman, Bailey Horn, Hunter Schryver and McKinley Moore. WTF! We need a good draft this year.
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Tyler Johnson has yet to have a decent game I think, he has been horrific. Lambert is coming along. Stiever and Burdi are just meh IMHO.
Yep, those names in our top 30 prospect are really bad.
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Other then Kelly there isnt much in our minors that would net us a real big upgrade. We're best off holding onto Kelly
Crochet's velo is down a lot but he could have fetched something nice as well. Other then that we are pretty much barren at this point. Still wish we'd spent a bit more for a 2bman like Wong and or Brantley.
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Lambert has a 9.35 ERA, not coming along very well.
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Lambert has a 9.35 ERA, not coming along very well.
His last start was real nice, The kid is coming off surgery, could take him a full year to get consistency back, at least a 1/2 year. I was pleased he improved in that start. Baby steps.
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Metodo, I like Kelley, Dalquist and Thompson.
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I like a few guys to... but from an outsider prespective... Kelley is really the only one with some value...
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I like a few guys to... but from an outsider prespective... Kelley is really the only one with some value...
Probably
The only reliever doing much at Kanny is Madrigal's brother. 4.35 ERA
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I like a few guys to... but from an outsider prespective... Kelley is really the only one with some value...
Baloney. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. Most of the top Sox prospects are pitchers and highly rated pitchers. Calling Steiver and Burdi as "meh" is ludicrous for example. And Kelly the only pitcher with "some value" is ridiculous.
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have to agree with Min, at AAA & AA there's little. Stiever, Burdi, Lambert & Tyler Johnson are the only guys in the top 24 ranked Sox prospects and NONE of them are pitching well.
Looking at the pitchers on the list of top 30 prospects and I'm kinda shocked to see names of pitchers like Caleb Freeman, Bailey Horn, Hunter Schryver and McKinley Moore. WTF! We need a good draft this year.
7 of the nine top Sox prospects are pitchers:
1. Kopech
2. Crochet
3. Kelly
5. Thompson
6. Steiver
7. Dalquist
9.. Vera
And Johnson, Burdi, and Lambert are in the top 13 or so. Like I said the White Sox are deep in pitching prospects in their system.
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top 30 prospects are listed on the team's website:
https://www.mlb.com/prospects/whitesox/
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I am starting to worry about our bull-pen right now and I am not sure exactly what is happening but almost to a man, they are not as good as they were last year. And it seems that they are missing high on too many pitches. If it were just one guy it would be one thing but it is most or all of them. Makes me think that MAYBE they are not warming up the same as they used to. If they are not getting stretched out properly, pitchers can short stride to the plate and when you short stride, it is very easy to miss high.
I was and am a big fan of Heurer but he is not the same pitcher that he was last year. Last year, his slider was virtually unhittable combined with his fastball and change-up. But now, all his pitches are up and he is getting hit hard. This has to be a concern for Katz and LaRussa going forward. The only guy that is pretty much the same guy as last year is Hendricks who just is a tough SOB to hit.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1398010110061035532
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aka Loveland --
We need our "Style Czar" to give us a review of the "special" City Connect White Sox uniforms:
https://news.sportslogos.net/2021/05/28/white-sox-represent-the-southside-with-new-city-connect-uniform/baseball/
https://www.mlb.com/news/white-sox-unveil-city-connect-uniform
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/fans/city-connect
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1398277896620462083
video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvUJhD3ZPZU&t=1s
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I don't have the keen eye like Loveland, but those seem pretty cool.
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Saw it early this morning - way cool!! - teeny too much gangster but I think some of that was the video portrayal. I love the hat and the S from Sox logo for Southside. Southside is of course spelled wrong but Loveland has a history with spelling and is letting that go. 😉
After those horrid Boston city connect jersey I was worried. The Marlin’s were bad too. If the Cubs have a large swath of bright “Cubby blue” it can do nothing but look horrible. However these are great.
— Fashion Police Loveland
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Can someone explain to me why the Sox have Madrigal - a .306 hitter batting 9th?
He's hitting behind Lamb .194, Mendick .229, Garcia .235, Vaughn .234.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't get it.
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Can someone explain to me why the Sox have Madrigal - a .306 hitter batting 9th?
He's hitting behind Lamb .194, Mendick .229, Garcia .235, Vaughn .234.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't get it.
The theory is that Madrigal is considered as you would a lead off man and would couple with Anderson as a good hit and run type hitter. I agree with you though, that in the weak line-up that the Sox currently have, Madrigal probably be better suited hitting second in the line-up right now. With his ability to hit with two strikes, to me he could be a perfect guy to allow Anderson to steal a base and taking a pitch if Anderson is getting a good jump.
Another guy who I think would actually make a good two hole hitter would be Vaughn right now. Even though he isn't a normal looking two hole hitter he can go the other way and drive the ball and maybe hitting from that spot, he would shorten his stroke a bit and make more contact yet still drive the ball?
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Saw it early this morning - way cool!! - teeny too much gangster but I think some of that was the video portrayal. I love the hat and the S from Sox logo for Southside. Southside is of course spelled wrong but Loveland has a history with spelling and is letting that go. 😉
After those horrid Boston city connect jersey I was worried. The Marlin’s were bad too. If the Cubs have a large swath of bright “Cubby blue” it can do nothing but look horrible. However these are great.
— Fashion Police Loveland
How is Southside spelled?
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Should be two words.
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That is what I figured. Used this way so often I thought it was ok to use it like that.
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https://uni-watch.com/2021/05/29/chisox-unveil-black-pinstripe-city-connect-uniform/
Uni-Watch's review - they agree with Loveland on "Southside".
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Can someone explain to me why the Sox have Madrigal - a .306 hitter batting 9th?
He's hitting behind Lamb .194, Mendick .229, Garcia .235, Vaughn .234.
Maybe I'm dumb, but I don't get it.
The theory is that Madrigal is considered as you would a lead off man and would couple with Anderson as a good hit and run type hitter. I agree with you though, that in the weak line-up that the Sox currently have, Madrigal probably be better suited hitting second in the line-up right now. With his ability to hit with two strikes, to me he could be a perfect guy to allow Anderson to steal a base and taking a pitch if Anderson is getting a good jump.
Another guy who I think would actually make a good two hole hitter would be Vaughn right now. Even though he isn't a normal looking two hole hitter he can go the other way and drive the ball and maybe hitting from that spot, he would shorten his stroke a bit and make more contact yet still drive the ball?
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Saw it early this morning - way cool!! - teeny too much gangster but I think some of that was the video portrayal. I love the hat and the S from Sox logo for Southside. Southside is of course spelled wrong but Loveland has a history with spelling and is letting that go. 😉
After those horrid Boston city connect jersey I was worried. The Marlin’s were bad too. If the Cubs have a large swath of bright “Cubby blue” it can do nothing but look horrible. However these are great.
— Fashion Police Loveland
How is Southside spelled?
Sowside, obviously:) That is the way its pronounced anyway by anyone in Chicago.
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sneak peek of the Nort'side teams' City Connect jersey:
https://dugout.uni-watch.com/app/uploads/2021/05/DT1-1024x766.jpg
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The White Sox have recalled RHP Zack Burdi from Class AAA Charlotte to serve as the 27th man for today’s straight doubleheader vs. Baltimore.
Burdi, 26, is 0-1 with a 4.26 ERA (3 ER/6.1 IP) and 11 strikeouts in five relief appearances with Charlotte this season.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1398646846487203840
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Good move by LaRussa today, batting Grandal in the two hole. Better there than in the middle of the line-up.
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I luv Uni-Watch!
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Following today’s doubleheader vs. Baltimore, the White Sox returned right-handed pitcher Zack Burdi to Class AAA Charlotte.
Burdi served as the 27th man for today’s games vs. the Orioles but did not pitch.
Following the move, Chicago’s active roster returns to 26 players.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1398792206157234185
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Pretty silly that the have the extra man rule and 7 inning double headers. Choose one or the other MLB - stop being redundant.
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Come'on Loveland, Zack got to sleep in his own bed last night in Downers Grove. His parents, Bob & Debbie, got to see their baby boy (Zack is the youngest of three boys). In all probability he's not heading straight back to Charlotte but will be the 27th man again for Monday's doubleheader.
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Burr threw pretty good yesterday didn't he? He isn't ready, yet, but I think that he showed enough to warrant future attention. This 27 man stuff is really kind of crazy. It does get these young guys a taste of the bigs and the Sox had a chance to steal another game from the Injuns but no bats showed up. When you looked at the Sox dugout it looked like that a lot of them were pretty resigned to be happy with a split. I hate that really?
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Yawn
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Yawn
Ditto
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I would hope that they are giving Mercedes some time developing as a catcher going forward. After all, the defensive "performances" of both Grandal and Collins are not major league caliber. I am talking about what happens mainly when Jimenez gets back. I would think about putting him in as a DH for this season at least and let Mercedes move to catcher. That would enable also to keep Vaughn in left field. Hopefully, Hahn will get Sheets up and given a chance to play right field. What the hell are they waiting for It makes no sense.
Frankly I am disgusted with both of our catchers defensively. So I cannot envision Mercedes being any worse and possibly better than they both are. Certainly he has shown a much better throwing arm than either Grandal and Collins have. Also, I am not blaming the catchers for the repeated stolen bases against the Sox this season. This is all on the pitching staff and not holding runners worth a crap. The Royals and the Indians especially have basically been stealing bases at will against the Sox. Even the lefties do not have a move to first that is worth a crap. Also, what ever happened to the slide step and pitch out to give the catchers a decent chance to throw someone out. It is pathetic.
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Vaughn BA .226 OBP .316 .394 SLG
He belongs in AAA. He's had a total of 55 minor league games under his belt.
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Since hitting his 3-0 home run, your guy has 8 hits, 5 walks and 5 RBI in 48 AB and has gone hitless in 10 of those 14 games. Maybe its time for a little bench time?
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Since hitting his 3-0 home run, your guy has 8 hits, 5 walks and 5 RBI in 48 AB and has gone hitless in 10 of those 14 games. Maybe its time for a little bench time?
Since hitting his 3-0 home run in Minnesota, your guy has 8 hits, 5 walks and 5 RBI in 48 52 AB and has gone hitless in 10 11 of those 14 15 games.
Reminiscent of Luis Robert last year. Unstoppable mid-July thru August 31st followed by a September where he couldn't hit the side of the barn.
Looks like the league might have "figured him out". Can he make the adjustment or will Mercedes becoming our next Daniel Palka? Although Palka's "success" lasted for the full season before he turned back into a pumpkin.
Yermin Mercedes
Duration AB R H HR RBI BB SO SB BAVG OBP SLG
Last 7 Games 23 3 2 1 4 3 4 0 .087 .192 .217
Last 15 Games 52 4 8 1 5 5 10 0 .154 .237 .212
Last 30 Games 103 10 22 2 14 9 22 0 .214 .281 .311
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Thanks for the correction. He's been worse than I thought!
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Haha
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Snicker
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Allergies?
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Allergies?
Originally I thought that is what they said, now it is Covid symptoms. So he could be out just a couple days or maybe up to 2-3 weeks
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..or he has/had allergies and recovered since he was held out of both games Monday but did start on Tuesday. He might have just tested positive for covid or been exposed to someone who has tested positive as the current MLB covid protocol requires him to be placed on the IL. The press release does say he was asymptomatic.
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this bullpen scares me.
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this bullpen scares me.
Not me. Katz and company will figure things out. The main guys are solid in the late innings and with Kopech and Crochet and their utility, the Sox are in good shape.
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White Sox Activate Andrew Vaughn, Option Gavin Sheets
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/white-sox-place-andrew-vaughn-on-injured-list-recall-gavin-sheets.html
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White Sox Activate Andrew Vaughn, Option Gavin Sheets
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/white-sox-place-andrew-vaughn-on-injured-list-recall-gavin-sheets.html
Too bad they never gave Sheets a chance to play.
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Danny Mendick dodged a bullet as Billy Hamilton goes on the IL:
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Michael Kopach is eligible to return from the IL for Tuesday's game. Interesting to see if he's ready and who gets sent down to make room for him. Matt Foster?
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Michael Kopach is eligible to return from the IL for Tuesday's game. Interesting to see if he's ready and who gets sent down to make room for him. Matt Foster?
Ryan Burr was 5.40 era at Charlotte, he didn't earn his promotion. But it might be smart to send Foster down just so he can get some innings in, he's only pitched 14.2 innings so far & must be rusty as hell. Call him back up when he's in a groove.
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I'm pretty sure Ryan Burr is out of options while Foster isn't.
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He wasn't on the 40 before being called up, in fact the last time he was rostered was in 2019 and the first time I believe was 2018.
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Michael Kopach is eligible to return from the IL for Tuesday's game. Interesting to see if he's ready and who gets sent down to make room for him. Matt Foster?
Ryan Burr was 5.40 era at Charlotte, he didn't earn his promotion. But it might be smart to send Foster down just so he can get some innings in, he's only pitched 14.2 innings so far & must be rusty as hell. Call him back up when he's in a groove.
I don't think they will send anyone currently on the current roster down. Because the Sox have been blessed with five starters who have consistently gone 5 plus innings in virtually every start, the non set-up guys haven't gotten much work. That's why I am not at all concerned with some of the struggles these guys have sometimes encountered. This is one reason why I don't think that the Sox should keep 13 pitchers. I think that 12 is better because of the quality of the guys they have and given that they could certainly use a better bat at this time.
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this bullpen scares me.
I don't know about the whole bullpen, but I'm tired of watching Evan Marshall allow inherited runs to score like his life depends on it.
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He is not doing that poorly. 18 runners on base and he has let 7 inning. Worse than past two years but in my opinion not horrible.
he was 28/11 two years ago, and 16/4 last year
https://www.mlb.com/player/evan-marshall-605359
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That 18/7 isn't even through half a season. There is not a good stat in his line right now. His WHIP is back up, His K/9 is back down. Last year was essentially a career year for him.
Given the depth we have for bullpen right now, I feel like we have better choices. Heck, give Dopico a shot...
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K rate is down.
HR rate is up.
Launch Angle is up (supports HR rate increase).
Ground Ball rate is down from 53% (career rate) --> 41% (2021).
His contact rate on pitches out of the zone is also higher, and hitters are laying off of more of his pitches out of the zone compared to 2020.
Yeah, they're hitting him more frequently, NOT hitting them into the ground, and his stuff isn't fooling as many people.
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Before the last outing he had a run of 5 innings, 1 hit, 7 Ks, no walks.
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Michael Kopach is eligible to return from the IL for Tuesday's game. Interesting to see if he's ready and who gets sent down to make room for him. Matt Foster?
Ryan Burr was 5.40 era at Charlotte, he didn't earn his promotion. But it might be smart to send Foster down just so he can get some innings in, he's only pitched 14.2 innings so far & must be rusty as hell. Call him back up when he's in a groove.
I don't think they will send anyone currently on the current roster down. Because the Sox have been blessed with five starters who have consistently gone 5 plus innings in virtually every start, the non set-up guys haven't gotten much work. That's why I am not at all concerned with some of the struggles these guys have sometimes encountered. This is one reason why I don't think that the Sox should keep 13 pitchers. I think that 12 is better because of the quality of the guys they have and given that they could certainly use a better bat at this time.
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Before the last outing he had a run of 5 innings, 1 hit, 7 Ks, no walks.
Someone in the bull-pen has to be the last guy talent wise and performance wise. Right now it is Marshall. He's still pretty good stuff wise based on his track record. His best pitch is his change-up. When he's gotten hurt is when he can't locate his fastball and the hitters forget about the fastball and wait on his change-up, especially if it is in their hitting zone. Players waiting on change-up and get it can really hit them very FAR:(
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Foster would go down before Marshall just for the fact Foster can be sent down and not put on waivers. Marshall would be lost to FA. He might have the least stuff on the staff but he has been very serviceable for 3 years, hate to just release him.
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Michael Kopach is eligible to return from the IL for Tuesday's game. Interesting to see if he's ready and who gets sent down to make room for him. Matt Foster?
Ryan Burr was 5.40 era at Charlotte, he didn't earn his promotion. But it might be smart to send Foster down just so he can get some innings in, he's only pitched 14.2 innings so far & must be rusty as hell. Call him back up when he's in a groove.
I don't think they will send anyone currently on the current roster down. Because the Sox have been blessed with five starters who have consistently gone 5 plus innings in virtually every start, the non set-up guys haven't gotten much work. That's why I am not at all concerned with some of the struggles these guys have sometimes encountered. This is one reason why I don't think that the Sox should keep 13 pitchers. I think that 12 is better because of the quality of the guys they have and given that they could certainly use a better bat at this time.
The current active White Sox roster breakdown is 13 pitchers & 13 position players. So when Kopech is ready to return, a pitcher will be sent down or placed on the IL.
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Rick Hahn says Nick Madrigal is going on the 60-day IL due to a proximal tear of his right hamstring. They’re still weighing season-ending surgery or rest and rehabilitation. He’s inactive for six weeks. Brian Goodwin called up.
Hahn says it will be roughly a week until they get to the point of choosing a route for Madrigal’s recovery. He has a complete tear of one of three tendons connected to the hamstring and a partial tear of another. Had he torn all three, surgery would be required.
https://twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1403095017204465665
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Marco Hernandez, a second baseman is hitting .333 at charlotte and we call up a bum OF hitting .244? WTF?
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Maybe the attraction is his glove.
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yeah, that's the obvious need.
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there's this guy playing for Atlanta's Triple-A club
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Marco Hernandez, a second baseman is hitting .333 at charlotte and we call up a bum OF hitting .244? WTF?
Marco Hernandez slash line for June: .231/.231/.231 (6 for 26, 3 runs scored, no walks, extra base hits or RBI, 2 strikeouts)
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Theme song for the 2021 White Sox:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE
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Marco Hernandez, a second baseman is hitting .333 at charlotte and we call up a bum OF hitting .244? WTF?
Marco Hernandez slash line for June: .231/.231/.231 (6 for 26, 3 runs scored, no walks, extra base hits or RBI, 2 strikeouts)
That's a weeks and a half. He's hitting .333 for the season. And that is over 80 points better than Goodwin is hitting. This is Tony's veteran fetish like Garcia, Lamb, and Eaton. They have better young players in their system. It really ticks me off.
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Mendick and Garcia will be manning 2B. Goodwin is an OF. OF is still a bigger hole than 2B.
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Mendick and Garcia will be manning 2B. Goodwin is an OF. OF is still a bigger hole than 2B.
They should have brought Sheets up. He's a freeking hitter and Goodwin isn't. I hate what the Sox aren't doing with their outfield.
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Goodwin (30) has a career .252 BA in the minors. In a thousand MLB at bats he has a .250 BA. Weird.
Guys who only hit .250 in the minors don't usually get to play in the majors.
Marko Hernandez has a .285 BA in the minors & a .265 BA in MLB.
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And I still don't get why teams go with so many pitchers when they have excellent starters. There just isn't enough work for them. Except for the set-up guys and closers, the Sox relief pitchers do not get called upon with a normal load. Look at Foster. The guy is a good pitcher but sitting him for ten days is a joke. Send one of these guys down and bring up a position player that can add value to your team. Our outfield still sucks hitting wise. Goodwin is another subject.
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I don't have a problem with Hernandez, just that he would replace Mendick. Engel just came back and at this point would have to be in the lineup every day. We have no else except Leury who can play CF.
Adding Goodwin provides flexibility that adding Hernandez wouldn't. Likewise with Sheets.
Frankly, part of me believes the best move would be to bring Burger up and move Yoan to 2B.
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we lost our second baseman. calling up a middle infielder isn't an odd move. good lord.
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Leury is the middle infielder.
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I should clarify.
Leury and Mendick are the middle infielders.
Right now the outfield is:
LF: Vaughn (not a LFer)
CF: Engel
RF: Eaton
4th: Goodwin
Lamb (not really an outfielder)
Mendick (not really an outfielder)
Garcia (not really an outfielder)
So we finally actually have an actual outfielder. not sure about you, but I'd rather have someone like Goodwin in LF in late innings than Vaughn, Mendick, or Lamb.
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Bird,
They are saving Sheets for trade bait or
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making Leury a backup on this roster is nuts, he's going to be in the outfield. Lamb is going to play OF on this roster more than 3b/1b like it or not.
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Bird,
They are saving Sheets for trade bait or
Its really nonsense not to bring him up. The guy can hit and hit with power. I get the trade bait stuff but what difference does it make if they do bring him up now. They can still trade him no matter where he is playing. I just do not like Tony's penchant for veterans who haven't done crap in their careers. He's got a really weak hitting bench. The fact that Garcia has played in the 4th most games for the Sox this season is a joke. The fact that Collins starts against left handed pitching is a joke. Lamb hitting in the two hole is a joke.
I get Hamilton on this team for his special talent as a baserunner in a tight game and Mendick is an outstanding infielder defensively and isn't afraid of getting a big hit once in awhile. Now they have Eaton, Leury, Lamb and Goodwin for their right field position. Not one of these guys are worth a spit. Once again, the Sox have the WORST right field production in major league baseball and it is senseless.
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You have a remarkable ability to spot jokes while making none.
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They should have brought Sheets up. He's a freeking hitter and Goodwin isn't. I hate what the Sox aren't doing with their outfield.
Goodwin's first two at-bats were a big screw you directed at his doubters here. ;D ;D
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Good for Goodwin. Its clear that the White Sox are ot going to bring up any young players which is a disappointment.
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Ok with Goodwin. But when are they going to launch Eaton? He suxcx.
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Yea. They may be trying to win.
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Ok with Goodwin. But when are they going to launch Eaton? He suxcx.
This is Reinny. He spent money on Eaton. He's not going to get rid of him. It was a mistake when they signed him and he is here for the duration. I hate the fact that they have a guy in the minor leagues(Sheets) that never got a chance in Spring Training and now has three weak hitting blokes blocking him from a chance at the majors. Its bullshit. All while they are still carrying 13 pitchers with 8 relievers that don't get enough work because of the excellence of the starters. This is just wrong philosophy.
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Eloy Jiménez has been medically cleared to resume baseball activities at the White Sox complex in AZ. This phase of the rehabilitation process is estimated to take a minimum of 4 weeks, after which Eloy could be cleared for a rehabilitation assignment with a Sox affiliate.
There remains no set timetable for Jiménez’ return to the major league club.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1404538870960693249
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Again, I would hope that LaRussa gives Mercedes some time behind the plate because once Jimenez gets back(if he gets back) he almost has to DH.
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I wonder if he's taking reps behind the plate.
Would be smart to, for his sake as much as the team's.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/nick-madrigal-out-for-the-season.html
URL says it all.
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It's official. White Sox confirm Madrigal is gone for the season on their twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1404891797034254337
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Schoop would be nice in the lineup.
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Schoop would be nice in the lineup.
That's another guy that I thought about. I suggested White Merrifield in the Trades and Rumors thread. But Shoop would be another guy to consider.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-carlos-rodon-hits-rob-manfred-mlb-sticky-stuff
Not sure if this falls under this thread or the Around Baseball thread, but count Rodon among the members who see inconsistencies with how MLB seems to handle cheating "scandals."
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It's funny that no active pitcher admits he uses "sticky substance" or knows anyone on his team that does. Right.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Q69CqWjwI
Chuck Garfien, Ozzie Guillén and Scott Podsednik discuss MLB's foreign substance ban on White Sox Pregame Live. Guillén calls MLB's mid-season crack down "a shame" (1:36) and Sox pitcher Carlos Rodón gave his thoughts (8:00), noting MLB commissioner Rob Manfred is "giving out 10-game suspensions for cheating, but you give the Astros no suspensions at all." Rays pitcher Tyler Glasnow blames his injury on the sticky substance ban (4:46).
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It's funny that no active pitcher admits he uses "sticky substance" or knows anyone on his team that does. Right.
Yup; since no one uses it why the big outcry against banning it?
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It's funny that no active pitcher admits he uses "sticky substance" or knows anyone on his team that does. Right.
Well, one way to look at what happened is that major league pitchers got pissed because of the fact that the owners were slanting the game in favor of home runs and offense at their expense. The juiced ball, shorter fences, change in the role of relief pitcher, et all were all designed to score more runs and "liven" up the game. So they decided to take the law into their own hands and "doctor" the ball. So now, the owners decided to show them WHO'S BOSS and lower the boom on the "DOCTOR'S".
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I think Hendriks had the most reasonable take.
https://theathletic.com/2645669/2021/06/11/white-sox-closer-liam-hendriks-thinks-mlb-should-offer-its-own-grip-substance/
Summary: if pitchers are saying they need better grip on the balls, then MLB should standardize and offer its own solution in the form of a grip substance.
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I think Hendriks had the most reasonable take.
https://theathletic.com/2645669/2021/06/11/white-sox-closer-liam-hendriks-thinks-mlb-should-offer-its-own-grip-substance/
Summary: if pitchers are saying they need better grip on the balls, then MLB should standardize and offer its own solution in the form of a grip substance.
Sure, but players being players it would take no time for the pitcher to add to the stuff that is legal. Every player who has ever played the game wants an "edge" on the other guys. Its all about money in the pocket.
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Eaton goes on the IL (strained hammy), Burdi called up
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I would have called Lambert back up, but Burdi it is. Guess they do not want to put Lambert back in the pen for 10 days, I suppose best to keep him on his schedule as a starter since still building his arm back up.
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Seriously - what's going on with these lower body injuries?
Eaton, Robert, Madrigal, Kopech, Eaton, Anderson,....
I miss Herm.
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Herm Schneider still works for the team. His current title is Head Athletic Trainer Emeritus. His duties include evaluating and examining medical records of potential draft prospects free agents and trade acquisitions. I'm guessing he also works with organizational players current on the IL in their rehab.
A bigger question is where is Brian Ball? He was Herm's 2nd in command for many years before succeeding him on Herm's "retirement" in December 2018. Last year he took a leave of absence for personal reasons. Ball was still listed a Head Athletic Trainer into spring training until the Sox promoted James Kruk to the position in mid-February.
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Looks like Brian took his ball and went home.
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I have absolutely nothing bad to say about Burdi pitching fo the White SOx. In fact, I love his upside. However, adding another pitcher is stupid in my view. They already do not have enough innings to give to the relief staff that they have. They SHOULD have brought Sheets up. They are down an outfielder and they currently need offensive production. They should have given Gavin Sheets a chance. I really don't get it. The only logical thing I can think of is that they don't want Sheets to come up and fail and then possibly lose his trade value. Even then, that action is also stupid. What if he succeeds? Would his trade value go up? OF course it would.
This is on LaRussa I think. He controls the roster. They have been winning, yes, but some of it is smoke and mirrors and adding another relief pitcher makes no sense. If they would have sent Heuer down and brought Burdi up, I could understand this. But hell, Foster can't get enough work, Baez, Heuer, even Marshall the same. I get the notion of keeping pitchers from getting used too much and have them healthy but a pitcher's arm needs enough work to be effective. Being too strong is not good either in effectiveness.
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Was it Black Jack who accused TLR of cheating by stealing signs during his first run with the So?
Sox currently 27 - 12 at home, 16-14 on the road.
Verrrry interesting......
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Yes, that was McDowell.
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Was it Black Jack who accused TLR of cheating by stealing signs during his first run with the So?
Sox currently 27 - 12 at home, 16-14 on the road.
Verrrry interesting......
I think it is more the Sox being able to shut down bad teams because of their excellent starting pitching and I don't know the stats of it but I think that it is more also that so far this season they've played a lot of weaker teams. That's why I do not believe that the Sox are a championship team right now with the injuries that they've sustained and they are wasting a damned good pitching staff.
Hahn need to bring in a right fielder and a second baseman. They have a chance to win a championship not just this year but beyond but they can't be TIMID and just hope that players that do not have the ability to play at a championship starting level are somehow going to do it. It doesn't work the way.
And I've said this before, but carrying all these damned pitchers like Tony has is dumb. Meanwhile the White Sox are leaving an army of baserunners on base and striking out regularly.
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Step back for a second and look at the big picture:
The White Sox have lost for a huge amount of time with more going forward, their entire starting outfield as well as their 4th outfielder. They have also lost their starting 2nd baseman. I say that no major league team could have lost one half of their offensive line-up and done as well as the White Sox have and the fact that they are still leading their division and have a very good record is remarkable.
BUT:
With three of the starting players not being available for a long time if ever in this season, then it is foolish to think that this team is a championship team as it stands. If it stands pat, then Reinny is to blame 100% and it is just another of the realities of his ownership. And if Reinny insists to ride this course for the remainder of the season and doesn't let Hahn do his job, then Hahn should quit and go elsewhere. It would be STUPID to stand pat the way things stand.
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I concur with Bird.
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What Bird and Loveland said.
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Since JR is the one who wanted LaRussa, I would expect him to get some help for the club to make his decision look better. Surely he is not so cheap he would risk making his decision look bad (not that I am blaming TLR, I think he has done a good job considering all the injuries, but he is running out of tricks)
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Seems like the "next man up" attitude, while great, caused the team to "peak" emotionally against teams like the Tigers.
Just seemed like the tank was empty from the start of this series with Houston, like the bottom finally fell out a little later than we expected.
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When you have 4 of your presumed every day starters (Eloy, Robert, Eaton & Madrigal) along with a lights out valuable bullpen piece (Kopech) on the IL and your 4th OFer, who already missed 2 months, (Engel) advised by the team doctors to not play every day yet, and your sparkplug 5th veteran OFer (Hamilton) on the IL too, what can you really expect? Add to that you have a struggling Abreu, a not completely healthy Moncada and a disappearing Mercedes. The only regulars who are playing well this month are Anderson and maybe Vaughn. They're really fortunate to be still in 1st place with a 2 1/2 game lead with a record of 14 games over .500.
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My point exactly.
Ran out of steam. Glad it took this long, but it’s too long of a season to avoid altogether.
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Yermin Mercedes is now 0 for his last 22 plate appearances with 0 walks and 10 strikeouts. His batting average is down to a season low of .266.
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Time to revive this picture:
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(from the Australian War Memorial (https://anzacday.org.au/the-sinking-of-the-australian-hospital-ship-centaur-war-crime-or-legitimate-target) page)
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Heh
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Engel back on the IL - hammy
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Seriously - WTF
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Sheesh, might be time to fire the training staff!!
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Unbelievable.
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I blame Eaton. He's infected the entire team with fragility...
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Prior to tonight’s series opener at Pittsburgh, the Chicago White Sox placed outfielder Adam Engel on the 10-day injured list (retroactive to June 20) with a strained right hamstring and recalled outfielder Luis González from Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1407375663787659264
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TLR on length of Engel’s absence from here:
"An amateur's guess: it's hard for me to see that 10 days from now he'd be good to go. Because he's got to get well and build it up and be very certain. I don't know how that can happen in 10 days. Maybe it can. I hope so."
https://twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1407439079722164225
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The Twins talking about yet another Buxton injury and claiming it just isn't fair. LOL. You want to talk about injuries not being fair, JHC, the Sox have been devastated.
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The White Sox currently have five, repeat, five outfielders on the IL and if that semi-collision between Vaughn and Goodwin tonight in left center had been closer, it could have possibly reached seven.
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A deal may be close to fruition as the White Sox just opened up a 40-man roster spot:
Scott Merkin tweet:
White Sox roster moves: RHP Alex McRae outrighted to Triple-A Charlotte
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1408875187299360768
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false hope for a trade as McRae was removed from the 40-man roster to make room for Jace Fry's return from the 60-day IL. Fry optioned to Charlotte.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/06/white-sox-reinstate-jace-fry-outright-alex-mcrae.html
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Following today’s doubleheader vs. Seattle, the Chicago White Sox returned right-handed pitcher Jimmy Lambert to Class AAA Charlotte.
Following the move, the White Sox active roster returns to 26 players.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1409305863039467524
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https://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/martyl-reinsdorfs-death-announced-4f9a914363a3
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Sheets up, Gonzalez down. Lamb to the IL, B-Hamilton back from the IL.
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Sheets up, Gonzalez down. Lamb to the IL, B-Hamilton back from the IL.
BoP left too early
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I better just be nice and stay quiet
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Luis Robert was "cleared to increase baseball activities", and could do a rehab assignment in about four weeks... meaning he could be back early August.
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White Sox tweet:
Luis Robert has been medically cleared to increase his level of baseball activities at the Sox complex in AZ. This phase of the rehabilitation process is estimated to take approx. 4 weeks, after which Robert could be cleared for a rehabilitation assignment with a Sox affiliate.
There remains no set timetable for Robert’s return to the major league club.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1409981177524596739
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Steve Stone tweet:
In 1980 I made 37 starts and threw 251 innings. That is an average of just under 7 innings per start. Average start this year is just over 5 innings. The game isn’t better or worse. It’s different. It’s a MAX effort era. Injuries are frequent and serious. Time to rethink pitching
https://twitter.com/stevestone/status/1409944502958239753
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I remember when Stone was a white sox, he'd be real good for 6 innings then run into trouble.
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Bummer & Marshall to the 10-day IL. Kopech & Jace Fry return to the 26-man active roster:
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Bummer's turn to end up on the HIL (Hamstring Injury List):
-Anderson
-Engel
-Kopech
-Madrigal
-Bummer
-Eaton
Who else?
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Surprised IHOP isn't a White Sox sponsor...
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heh
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Eloy Jiménez on Instagram live with Yancen Pujols, just said he feels 100% right now. He said he feels even better than he did during spring training. He mentioned he was told he’d be playing either Saturday or Monday but doesn’t know what affiliate yet. #WhiteSox
https://twitter.com/HashTagWhiteSox/status/1410051481152233474
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Surprised IHOP isn't a White Sox sponsor...
I laughed audibly
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Surprised IHOP isn't a White Sox sponsor...
It took me a few minutes, but yes, that was clever
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Looks like Burgs is being called up.
This is from Merkin: First round picks contributing to first place White Sox: Crochet (2020), Vaughn (2019), Madrigal (injured, 2018), Burger (today, 2017), Collins, Burdi (2016), Rodon (2014), and Anderson (2013).. Pretty nice, after all those years of failing to develop position players.
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Burger up, Eaton reinstated, Burdi & Yermin to AAA. Kind of surprised by that last one, but not bummed.
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Yoan not going on the IL is also good news.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-promote-jake-burger-prospect.html
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Yoan not going on the IL is also good news.
Yep
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1411001088552181768
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Burger up, Eaton reinstated, Burdi & Yermin to AAA. Kind of surprised by that last one, but not bummed.
Sad but that's what happens when you spend your time campaigning to be added to the HR Derby, promoting yourself and basking in your early season hype instead of working your butt off adjusting to the rest of the league that found the flaws in your swing. Hope this serves as a wakeup call for him.
(https://imgur.com/HVs6azs.png)
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Sad but that's what happens when you spend your time campaigning to be added to the HR Derby, promoting yourself and believing in your early season hype instead of working your butt off adjusting to the rest of the league that found the flaws in your swing. Hope this serves as a wakeup call for him.
Agreed.
Super happy to see Burger promoted. Talk about overcoming hardships....
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Yep. - Agreed. He was handed such an opportunity.
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...and of course, since the Sox are playing Detroit this weekend, there's on way for me to watch....
(Bally Sports Detroit isn't available on any streaming service unless you're a cable subscriber)
May as well go to one of the games, maybe.
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...and of course, since the Sox are playing Detroit this weekend, there's on way for me to watch....
(Bally Sports Detroit isn't available on any streaming service unless you're a cable subscriber)
May as well go to one of the games, maybe.
try watching it here: https://sports24.icu/mlb/
works 100% of the time for me using Chrome browser and the Adblock Plus extension activated so I get no popup ads. Feed is usually 2 to 3 pitches behind the live action, but it's fine. There is no blackout and your choice of home or away telecast. Don't need to choose the HD option as you'll have to register to use it. The regular home/away buttons work just fine and you won't have to signup to view it.
I use it al the time as I usually have the Sox telecast on my TV and the opponents telecast on my laptop using this link to get their version of what's happening.
...and here are two other backup sites I use to watch live sports on my laptop or chromebook:
http://buffstream.io/mlblivestreams
https://crackstreams.io/
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Injuries & Roster Moves: Eaton returns
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-injuries-and-roster-moves
OF Adam Engel (strained right hamstring)
Expected return: Early next week
Engel explained to MLB.com the freak nature of this latest injury prior to a July 2 game in Detroit.
“I had a little bit of peel back of my scar, and they are thinking that happened right next to a blood vessel or something, which just caused more bleeding than normal. It sounds bad,” Engel said. “Ultimately it bled into an enclosed space. I was having muscle spasms. ... They are calling it a muscle sheath that was filled all the way up with blood.
“My muscle couldn’t work with the blood in there. I got it drained of the blood and the most recent MRI showed literally no damage to the muscle. It was just a matter of recovering from having a needle put into my muscle and I was spasming for hours and hours at a time, like three or four different times. So, my muscles were fatigued from that. I needed to get back and build back up after taking a break and all that.” (Last updated: July 2)
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Liam Hendriks, Carlos Rodón and Lance Lynn are All-Stars. White Sox get shut out for position players.
Lance Lynn makes his second All-Star team nine years after his first trip. Said this weekend he was looking forward for the chance to enjoy it with his family this time.
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Per @SlangsOnSports: Third time the White Sox have had three pitchers in the same All-Star game.
2021: Liam Hendriks, Lance Lynn and Carlos Rodón
2006: Bobby Jenks, Mark Buehrle and José Contreras
1954: Virgil Trucks, Bob Keegan and Sandy Consuegra
Rodon: "When you have multiple guys from one team go to an All-Star game, I think that shows what kind of team we have. I’m not the only one. Hopefully we have a few of us that represent our team. It would be an honor.”
Lynn, Rodon and Hendriks were all voted in via the Player Ballot
AL Player Ballot, starting pitcher votes:
Cole, 272
Lynn, 199
Rodon, 192
Bieber, 189
Ohtani, 121
AL Player Ballot reliever votes
Chapman, 160
Hendriks, 159
Barnes, 117
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Nice to see that the 40% of our rotation that will be FA's at the end of the year are both All-Stars.
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So add Grandal to the IHOP club, I guess.
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White Sox tweet:
Prior to tonight’s game at Minnesota, the Chicago White Sox placed catcher Yasmani Grandal on the 10-day injured list with a torn tendon in his left knee and recalled catcher Seby Zavala from Class AAA Charlotte.
Grandal left last night’s game during his sixth-inning at-bat. He is expected to miss approximately 4-6 weeks before returning.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1412530437382152192
added:
La Russa on Grandal going down with knee injury: “He got a lot of big hits for us. Somebody else has to get them now.”
La Russa: “You learn more from adversity than success. The club feels very good about itself. You play with what you’ve got.”
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Where is Lucroy. Too bad
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-reportedly-interested-in-trevor-story.html
Apparently Sox looking to trade for Trevor Story and move him to 2B.
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AL Postseason Odds:
White Sox 97.8%
Astros 97.6%
Red Sox 96.1%
Rays 87.6%
A's 57.7%
Blue Jays 34.9%
Yankees 13.5%
Mariners 7.9%
Indians 3.3%
Angels 3.1%
Twins 0.3%
Royals 0.1%
Tigers 0.1%
Orioles <0.1%
Rangers <0.1%
NL Postseason Odds:
Dodgers 99.5%
Giants 98.4%
Padres 87.2%
Brewers 79.3%
Mets 35.8%
Reds 26.3%
Nats 24.3%
Phillies 19.4%
Braves 18.4%
Cubs 6.3%
Marlins 4.1%
Cardinals 1.0%
Rockies 0.1%
Diamondbacks <0.1%
Pirates <0.1%
https://twitter.com/baseball_ref/status/1412485257035669509
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Where is Lucroy. Too bad
with the Atlanta Braves Triple-A club:
https://www.milb.com/player/jonathan-lucroy-518960?stats=gamelogs-r-hitting-mlb&year=2021
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Collins should be able to hold the fort, but there has to be a backup catcher and I don't think Zavala is that guy.
Might be worth pinging the Dodgers to see if they'd let Keibert Ruiz go for a small return.
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Adam Engel reinstated from the injured list and Adam Eaton has been designated for assignment. Wow, they really did it!!
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Since recent odds show the Cardinals have a 1% chance of reaching the postseason, at the trade deadline IF Zavala isn't working out as an adequate backup, Yadier Molina to the Sox for their choice of either Reynoldo Lopez or Blake Rutherford or Luis Gonzalez. Cards save $3+ million left on Yady's 2021 contract and they can re-sign him when he becomes a free agent again in the fall. They also give their longtime star a chance to play in the postseason again and help their former manager (TLR) at the same time. If that offer doesn't work, I'd consider offering them Zack Burdi. Either way they'd need to take someone who's already on the 40-man roster as the Sox have no current openings and if Eloy +/or Robert return this season from the 60-day IL they'll need ever more spots to open on the 40-man roster.
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here you go, the move everyone has been waiting for:
Prior to today’s series finale at Minnesota, the Chicago White Sox reinstated outfielder Adam Engel from the 10-day injured list and designated outfielder Adam Eaton for assignment.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1412788596298428423
Pretty big gamble here. I think I would have sent Burger back to Charlotte for 10 days before DFA Eaton. Engel's heath problems this season has me skeptical that he'll remain healthy for a significant length of time. I'd have given it 10 days and if Engel's still 100% healthy then DFA Eaton.
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Boy we should have used that 8 million we signed Eaton with on McCann. What a miserable loss
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Adam Engel reinstated from the injured list and Adam Eaton has been designated for assignment. Wow, they really did it!!
I'm quite surprised, given the Sox' need for major league outfielders. Makes me wonder if a trade is afoot.
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Boy we should have used that 8 million we signed Eaton with on McCann.
I don't think he would have signed here to be a backup, Love, as much as we all would have liked him back.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-designate-adam-eaton-for-assignment.html
As Hawk would say..."YEEEESSSS!'
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Where is Lucroy. Too bad
He's now back in the big leagues:
Braves Option William Contreras, Select Jonathan Lucroy
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/braves-option-william-contreras-select-jonathan-lucroy.html
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Update: Grandal goes under the knife.... hoping to return in 2021 now.
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After further eval. of Yasmani Grandal in Chicago, it was determined that a surgical procedure was needed to repair the tear in his tendon. The procedure was performed today by Dr. Nikhil Verma of Midwest Ortho. at Rush, with Dr. Shane Nho assisting, at Gold Coast Surgery Center.
An updated timeline will be provided in the future, although doctors continue to expect Grandal to return during the 2021 regular season.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1412830056087535616
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"White Sox 97.8%"
Suspect that reflects the weak competition in the AL Central more than how good the Sox are
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"White Sox 97.8%"
Suspect that reflects the weak competition in the AL Central more than how good the Sox are
Yep
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Andy, I like your thoughts on Molina.
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" Yadier Molina to the Sox for their choice of either Reynoldo Lopez or Blake Rutherford or Luis Gonzalez"
Why would anyone want our crap? Rutherford is hitting .224, Gonzalez .189 at AAA.
Renaldo Lopez is 0-6, 8.73 ERA. The time to trade him was in the off season. He's completely fallen apart.
Why not Alec Hansen and Joel Booker?
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Concur
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-eloy-jimenez-rehab-assignment.html
Eloy to begin rehab assignment tomorrow.
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They added a uniform patch to honor Martyl Reinsdorf.
But still don't have one to mark the passing of Dick Allen. SMH
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I loved Dick Allen, but he was only a Sox for 3 years correct?
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Yes three seasons but he's one of only 4 players to win a season MVP Award while a member of the White Sox (Fox, Allen, Thomas & Abreu). I'm not advocating retiring his number or putting up a statue, just adding a patch with his number on this season's uniform. The White Sox over the years used Dick, his name and likeness to sell plenty of merchandise and their product. You can still order a Dick Allen White Sox jersey on their website shop. Least they can do is put a small black patch with the number 15 on their on-field jersey sleeve to honor him in 2021. It would be the honorable and right thing to do.
The Phillies are doing it, so should the White Sox:
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And one could argue he was the first to save the franchise for Chicago. Interest in the Sox waned in 1969 and 1970 as they were abysmal and started playing games in Milwaukee, with rumors of leaving Chicago for anywhere. Attendance fell below 500,000 a year by 1970. A little better in 1971, attendance improved but it was the 1972 club with Allen hitting bombs off the scoreboard and the Sox challenging the A's for the division that recharged the fan base. I remember going to a double header in 1972 with 50,000+ in the stands, a tenth of what they drew in the entire 1970 season.
Found this article about how bad they were in the late 60's
https://www.si.com/mlb/whitesox/history/happy-50th-1970-white-sox
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Of course, most of us old timers tend to remember when the good Dick Allen played for the Sox. As this author points out, there were times when bad Richie Allen showed up:
https://www.si.com/mlb/whitesox/history/a-tale-of-two-bat-days
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Good point about the attendance. It was horrible. I loved Dick Allen, but I think a bit more longevity should have been in order. I sure do not mind Dick getting his dues, he was my favorite very quickly. Too bad he got hurt that year after MVP. He was rolling.
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Agreed
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You might think the organization that prides itself as doing the most in the last 25+ years to promote baseball to minorities in the inner city would go out of their way to recognize & honor their very first African-American superstar upon his death.
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Chicago White Sox 2021 MLB Draft Selections:
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why the heck are they bringing up Lopez? I know his last start was good but he's been crap.
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You got me. Showcasing for a trade?
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Who else in AAA is on the 40 man?
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Burdi, Lambert, Tyler Johnson (who sucks), Stiever
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Steve Stone said Lopez is back to be the "long man" out of the bullpen and work with Ethan Katz.
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White Sox, Lance Lynn Agree To Two-Year, $38MM Extension
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/07/white-sox-lance-lynn-agree-to-two-year-38mm-extension.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOCLPnyOS1c
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Rick Hahn on the Lance Lynn contract extension:
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Fantastic!
May have over paid but also could be a bargain if inflation continues.
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Now if we could just start giving Burger more ABs...
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I hang onto Sheets and Burger. Heck with a trade. We can get to playoffs w/o a trade.
(continuing the discussion from the Farm thread)
I'm more concerned about the bullpen.
Hendriks and Kopech are really the only two arms I fully trust to be shutdown arms... maybe Crochet.
We need someone to step up (Burr?). The offense is playing at a "good enough" level somehow, and the starting pitching actually looks legit. Just need to shorten the game one more inning with another shutdown arm.
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I agree on a reliever, I give up most minor leaguers for one but not the guys who are contributing. Hell, Yermin is hitting very well in AAA, maybe someone needs a bat really bad.
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Following today's workout in Glendale, Ariz., White Sox CF Luis Robert was cleared to begin a rehab assignment. He will join Class A Winston-Salem on Wednesday.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1417280352800890884
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Following tonight’s game vs. Minnesota, the Chicago White Sox returned right-handed pitcher Matt Foster to Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1417316373261324291
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Looking at the banner pic, from right to left:
Adam Engel - originally slated to be a platoon player. Now considered an integral part of the outfield.
Gavin Sheets - originally slated to be a AAA bat, with a possible hope of a call-up at some point this year. Playing a key role and learning a new position (RF) to do so.
Billy Hamilton - NRI / minor league signing. Now a key defensive replacement, pinch runner, and 4th (or 5th? Or 9th? Hard to tell) outfielder.
Jake Burger - hadn't played live action baseball since 2017 in A ball.
Brian Goodwin - early-season castoff from a last-place team. Now an occasional cleanup hitter on a first-place team, along with being an effective defensive replacement.
This offense is a true band of misfits.
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The #WhiteSox have signed shortstop Colson Montgomery, their first-round pick (22nd overall) in the 2021
Major League Baseball First-Year Player Draft, to a minor-league contract with a $3.027-million signing bonus.
Colson Montgomery says the last week has been the most exciting week of his life. He’s headed to Alabama next
for a draft minicamp, before going to the team complex in Arizona. “Baseball is my life now"
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Did Yermin really just quit?
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Spoiled.
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....so.... is he done...?
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I doubt it. Attention needed I guess. Hope we trade him.
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White Sox say apologetic Yermin Mercedes
in uniform for Charlotte Knights
Less than 24 hours after saying he was stepping away from baseball, Yermin Mercedes
was in uniform for the Triple-A Charlotte Knights for their game in Durham, N.C. Thursday.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/7/22/22589264/white-sox-say-apologetic-yermin-mercedes-is-uniform-for-charlotte-knights
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Yermin yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW78swzn_Bs&ab_channel=ClassicEntertainment
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Eloy supposedly making his debut on Monday against KC
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Rumors of Frazier to the Padres. Loveland is very disappointed.
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Eloy Jimenez returning to White Sox lineup Monday
“He’s flying in tonight and I’ll write him in the lineup tomorrow,” manager Tony La Russa said.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/7/25/22593362/eloy-jimenez-set-for-return-to-white-sox-lineup-monday
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Prior to tonight’s series opener at Kansas City, the Chicago White Sox returned outfielder Eloy Jiménez from his injury rehabilitation assignment with Class AAA Charlotte and reinstated him from the 60-day injured list, and optioned infielder Jake Burger to Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1419726974457630722
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Prior to tonight’s series opener vs. Cleveland, the #WhiteSox added infielder César Hernández and right-handed pitcher Ryan Tepera to the active roster and optioned right-hander Ryan Burr and infielder Danny Mendick to Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1421168796891484160
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Cesar to wear # 12, Tepera # 51.
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Blackie has always been a numbers guy. I rarely can tell you a number a guy wears. heh
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Cesar to wear # 12, Tepera # 51.
...and Kimbrel to wear #46.
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When's the last time that the Sox were this aggressive at the deadline?
I mean ACTUALLY aggressive? Not like "we got Sandy Alomar again, y'all" or "hey - our new DH doesn't believe in dinosaurs, but he used to be able to hit a few years ago" aggressive, but going out and landing the top bullpen arm, plugging a hole at 2B, and landing a (for this year) solid setup man?
BoP would probably argue that the team isn't going anywhere without an upgrade at backup catcher, but I for one am happy with what has happened in the last 2 days.
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The bullpen all of a sudden looks good.
CL - Hendriks / Kimbrel
SU1 - Kimbrel / Hendriks
SU2 - Kopech
MR - Crochet
MR - Bummer
MR - Burr
October - Cease (probably)
Basically, come October, we just need 5 or 6 innings out of our starters.
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We should have signed McCann this off-season. That was a mistake. Catcher IS the one position where you have to rest players and have depth over any other. 10M a year - phhhbt we paid Eaton 80% of that. That was a miss.
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We should have signed McCann this off-season. That was a mistake. Catcher IS the one position where you have to rest players and have depth over any other. 10M a year - phhhbt we paid Eaton 80% of that. That was a miss.
In hindsight I agree, and once you put it relative to Eaton, it hurts that much more.
Also in hindsight it's hard to justify $10M to your second catcher. Not that we didn't have the budget for it, but there were bigger needs (like RF, where there is STILL a need....)
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The bullpen all of a sudden looks good.
CL - Hendriks / Kimbrel
SU1 - Kimbrel / Hendriks
SU2 - Kopech
MR - Crochet
MR - Bummer
MR - Burr
October - Cease (probably)
Basically, come October, we just need 5 or 6 innings out of our starters.
Tepera over Burr.
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Sorry - was going off the top of my head and forgot about the other guy we brought in.
CL - Hendriks / Kimbrel
SU1 - Kimbrel / Hendriks
SU2 - Kopech
SU3 - Tepera
MR - Crochet
MR - Bummer
MR - Burr
October - Cease (probably)
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Prior to today’s series finale vs. Cleveland, the #WhiteSox placed outfielder Billy Hamilton on the 10-day injured list (retroactive to July 31) with a right oblique strain and recalled right-handed pitcher Jimmy Lambert from Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1421848512501780485
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Hamilton to the IL is probably a "take one for the team" injury allowing them to bring up Lambert to make a start and give the starting pitchers a couple more days of rest. I expect Lambert will be sent down after the start and Luis Robert will return on Tuesday.
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Following today’s series finale vs. Cleveland, the #WhiteSox optioned right-handed pitcher Jimmy Lambert to Class AAA Charlotte.
The White Sox will make a corresponding roster move prior to Tuesday night’s series opener vs. Kansas City.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1421943138122452998
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I think you're right about Robert.
RF could be a nice platoon between Engel and Goodwin now.
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.... on Tuesday will the roster move be the return of Luis Robert? Or Jake Burger? Or recall another arm for the bullpen (Fry, Foster or Burdi) for a few days to give Luis Robert more reps in the minors for his rehab?
note: Robert didn't start today in Charlotte and Burger hasn't played since he was removed from a game in the bottom of the 2nd on Friday.
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Tuesday is also a birthday for Robert
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If you guessed Matt Foster you're right! No birthday present re-call for Luis Robert:
White Sox tweet:
Prior to tonight’s series opener vs. Kansas City, the #WhiteSox recalled right-handed pitcher Matt Foster from Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1422607441066344448
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Scratching my head over this one. He has done well in AAA though.
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They want to be sure they don't over use their pitching staff especially with a big division lead. Want to limit Rodon and Kopech's innings since both have pitched very little over the last 2 1/2 seasons. So they add another arm for a few days to a week. Also don't want to rush Robert back and then need to rest him like they've had to do with Eloy.
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I will agree with that strategy.
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White Sox Announce 2022 Regular-Season Schedule
https://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/white-sox-announce-2022-regular-season-schedule-144007753b30
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Looking at the initial 2022 schedule, it looks like if there is a 2022 MLB Field of Dreams Game in August, it won't include the White Sox.
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WooHoo! The Beloved coming to Denver next year!
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Funny stuff with LaRussa
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https://www.facebook.com/100063652802976/posts/216217873843305/?d=n
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Ha
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Prior to this afternoon’s series opener at the Chicago Cubs, the #WhiteSox returned infielder/outfielder Jake Lamb from his rehabilitation assignment at Class AAA Charlotte & reinstated him from the 10-day injured list, and optioned right-handed pitcher Matt Foster to Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1423659034691911683
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Lamb only hit .246 at Charlotte.
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With Luis Robert returning today, who's moved offf the active roster? Will it be Jake Lamb DFAd? Somebody maybe (Lamb) getting stashed on the IL to assure they don't lose him on waivers? Or will Gavin Sheets get sent to Charlotte until September 1st?
I'm guessing Sheets goes to Charlotte to allow him to play every day and will return on September 1st when active rosters expand to a max total of 28.
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I agree, Sheets will be sent down.
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I am also guessing Sheets goes down to Charlotte, probably to get more reps in the outfield.
Lamb becomes the lefty bat off the bench (plus Goodwin if he's not platoon-starting in RF).
Leury goes back to being the supersub again.
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Prior to tonight’s series opener at MIN, the #WhiteSox made the following three roster moves:
- Returned Luis Robert from his injury rehab. assignment with Charlotte & reinstated him from the 60-day injured list;
- Optioned Gavin Sheets to Charlotte;
- Released OF Luis González.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1424792744111886338
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More context on Gonzalez:
He is going to undergo season-ending shoulder surgery. Injured players cannot be placed on outright waivers required to take him off of the 40-man roster, so the options are to either:
a) Put him on the major league roster, then put him on the 60-day IL
b) Release him and hope to re-sign him
They opted for (b) apparently.
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More context on Gonzalez:
He is going to undergo season-ending shoulder surgery. Injured players cannot be placed on outright waivers required to take him off of the 40-man roster, so the options are to either:
a) Put him on the major league roster, then put him on the 60-day IL
b) Release him and hope to re-sign him
They opted for (b) apparently.
They made the same "release him when recovering from season ending surgery and then re-sign him later for the next season" move with Nicky Delmonico back in mid-June 2019 and re-signed him in Dec. 2019.
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Thanks fellas, was trying to figure out what was going on there. I thought he was hurt so could not waived or released. Did not realize the difference.
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Thanks fellas, was trying to figure out what was going on there. I thought he was hurt so could not waived or released. Did not realize the difference.
This move was only done because they needed to clear a spot on the 40-man roster to allow Robert to be activated from the 60-day IL.
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Prior to today’s series finale at MIN, the Sox made the following 3 roster moves:
- Placed Carlos Rodón on the 10-day IL (retroactive to 8/8) with left shoulder fatigue;
- Recalled Matt Foster from Charlotte;
- Sent Yasmani Grandal to Birmingham on an injury rehab. assignment.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1425477216624947215
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Lamb is worthless. They should have kept Sheets up and cut Lamb if they want the best record in the AL going into the play-offs.
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Rodon was supposed to start the cornfield game, right? Bummer for him.
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Yep.
But I have to say Lynn looks better in the throwback uni so …..
— Fashion Police Loveland
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Speaking of fashion...
Why the hell didn't the Sox wear their Southside uni's this past weekend when The Coob were wearing their Wrigleyville duds? It would have been very cool. I can only think of three reasons why not:
* It was too damn hot to wear all-black
* The Coob didn't want them to, because it would show how lame theirs are when compared to ours
* MLB has some stupid rule against it
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Speaking of fashion...
Why the hell didn't the Sox wear their Southside uni's this past weekend when The Coob were wearing their Wrigleyville duds? It would have been very cool. I can only think of three reasons why not:
* It was too damn hot to wear all-black
* The Coob didn't want them to, because it would show how lame theirs are when compared to ours
* MLB has some stupid rule against it
Probably also confusing with navy vs. black.
That said, I’ll wait for Fashion Police Loveland to chime in.
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the Southside City Connect unis are home uniforms. I expect we'll see them when the northsiders visit at 35th St.& Bill Veeck Drive.
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* The Coob didn't want them to, because it would show how lame theirs are when compared to ours
This made me laugh!
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MLB allowing a 27-man roster for tonight's game:
Prior to tonight’s game, the Yankees appointed OF Estevan Florial (#90) as their “27th Man.”
The Chicago White Sox have recalled infielder Danny Mendick from Class AAA Charlotte to serve as the 27th player for tonight’s “Field of Dreams” Game vs. the New York Yankees.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1425887751602311173
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If Seby Zavala ("Sebs") is the back up catcher when Grandal comes back, I'm all good with that.
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I’ll be annoyed if he is not.
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Yes, Zavala has beaten out Collins for sure.
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Ditto.
Sorry Collins. Seby is what this team needs.
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Zavala deserves to stay stay however it would be questionable to send Collins down with only 18 days left before September roster expansion. Better to 10-day IL him or someone else and not use up an option year since he's been on the 26-man MLB roster all season long. Could even send Zavala down and then re-call him on September 1st since an option year was already was blown on him this season. In any case, Zavala should be on the playoff roster over Collins.
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White Sox Transactions:
08/13/21 Chicago White Sox optioned SS Danny Mendick to Charlotte Knights.
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Lost in the shuffle of Field of Dreams excitement, Adam Engel exited the game early to right groin tightness and is currently day-to-day:
White Sox OF Adam Engel Day-to-Day with Groin Tightness
https://ontapsportsnet.com/2021/08/13/white-sox-adam-engel-groin-tightness-injury-at-field-of-dreams-game/
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Prior to today’s series finale vs. the Yankees, the Chicago White Sox placed infielder/outfielder Leury García on the seven-day concussion list (retroactive to August 13) and recalled infielder Danny Mendick from Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1426929384196382728
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Burdi DFA’d.
Matt Foster sent down to Charlotte.
Engel to 10-Day IR (shoulder).
Mike Wright recalled. (Burdi was DFA’d to make room on the 40-man for him)
Ryan Burr recalled.
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Engel shoulder inflammation? When he left the FoD game it was called groin tightness.
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Yep.
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Yasmani Grandal's rehab has been transferred to Charlotte and he will be with the Knights starting tonight.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1427692747251666945
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Well raise my rent... might Lopez actually be a thing?
T'would be cool if he was.
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Amazing isn't it. 1.08 ERA
Hope Bassitt is ok
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Lopez has showed great command with his fastball for the first time in…. Seemingly ever.
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He sure has. Quite a surprise, I was ready to DFA him.
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I credit our new pitching coach for the improvement of Lopez. Once again, he simplified his mechanics just like he had with Giolitto, Rodon, and Cease(who is still a work in progress as far as I am concerned. I also credit Lopez to apparently sticking to his newly taught mechanics and to not get discouraged by the send down and not seeing immediate results. Thus far, Lopez has "manned up" so to speak and I love it when that happens.
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I credit our new pitching coach for the improvement of Lopez. Once again, he simplified his mechanics just like he had with Giolitto, Rodon, and Cease(who is still a work in progress as far as I am concerned. I also credit Lopez to apparently sticking to his newly taught mechanics and to not get discouraged by the send down and not seeing immediate results. Thus far, Lopez has "manned up" so to speak and I love it when that happens.
Is there specific adjustment you've noticed in his mechanics?
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https://soxmachine.com/2021/08/18/reynaldo-lopez-writes-himself-back-into-white-soxs-story/
This article talks a little bit about the changed mechanics of Lopez, including shorter arm swing.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/08/orioles-claim-zack-burdi-waivers-white-sox.html
The URL says it all.
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I thought there was some problem with the eyes of Lopez and that was taken care of and since then it has been really good. He was having problems seeing.
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I thought there was some problem with the eyes of Lopez and that was taken care of and since then it has been really good. He was having problems seeing.
You are correct. He had eye surgery in early May. Said he couldn't see the catcher's signs. He spent 8 days on the Charlotte injury list to recover.
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ahhhhh ... things begin to make sense.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/08/orioles-claim-zack-burdi-waivers-white-sox.html
The URL says it all.
i hope that Burdi is successful with them.
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Reynaldo López said he’s throwing with more confidence and conviction, which leads us toward how that procedure in May to correct blurred vision could have helped him
https://theathletic.com/2776284/2021/08/18/what-do-the-white-sox-have-in-the-revamped-reynaldo-lopez/?source=emp_shared_article
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Looking at the timing of Grandal's rehab assignment, it looks like he can stay down basically until the end of the month (20 days started on 8/11 I think).
I'm guessing that they'll opt to carry 3 catchers, including (for better or worse) Collins, to give both Yaz and Seby reps behind the dish and try to give Yaz as many AB's as possible via DHing.
I'd also expect to see more of Vaughn in RF, and less of a Vaughn / Eloy LF / DH rotation.
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I credit our new pitching coach for the improvement of Lopez. Once again, he simplified his mechanics just like he had with Giolitto, Rodon, and Cease(who is still a work in progress as far as I am concerned. I also credit Lopez to apparently sticking to his newly taught mechanics and to not get discouraged by the send down and not seeing immediate results. Thus far, Lopez has "manned up" so to speak and I love it when that happens.
Is there specific adjustment you've noticed in his mechanics?
Yeah. It is in his drop itself. He has a consistent drop now and its all backs up from there mechanically. In this working backward so to speak, then what you do is to try and get the pitcher to throw all of his stuff from the same release point which is a pretty difficult process for some pitchers. A lot of pitchers(Cease is a good example) really have to force themselves to do this because old habits are tough to change when they have been "throwing" not "pitching". Watch Cease today and watch his landing spot and where he throws teh ball from(release point). He's better than he was but is far from a "pitcher" in my eyes. He and Rodon have the best stuff on the staff and among the best in baseball. Rodon has cleaned his mechanics up Cease is still working on it.
Also, watch Cease talk to himself while on the mound. He knows what he should do and when he doesn't he knows it. And that is a good thing. Its a work in process and he is making a good improvement. I think that next year, he will be an ace of the staff and a lot of that credit goes to his coach and himself.
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Yeah. It is in his drop itself. He has a consistent drop now and its all backs up from there mechanically. In this working backward so to speak, then what you do is to try and get the pitcher to throw all of his stuff from the same release point which is a pretty difficult process for some pitchers. A lot of pitchers(Cease is a good example) really have to force themselves to do this because old habits are tough to change when they have been "throwing" not "pitching". Watch Cease today and watch his landing spot and where he throws teh ball from(release point). He's better than he was but is far from a "pitcher" in my eyes. He and Rodon have the best stuff on the staff and among the best in baseball. Rodon has cleaned his mechanics up Cease is still working on it.
Also, watch Cease talk to himself while on the mound. He knows what he should do and when he doesn't he knows it. And that is a good thing. Its a work in process and he is making a good improvement. I think that next year, he will be an ace of the staff and a lot of that credit goes to his coach and himself.
Cool - thanks for the insight.
I love the study of mechanics in any sport. I'm an engineer - it's what I love to study. I've spent years breaking down and teaching various mechanics involved in hockey to varying degrees of success, but I would honestly love to learn more about pitching mechanics.
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Yeah. It is in his drop itself. He has a consistent drop now and its all backs up from there mechanically. In this working backward so to speak, then what you do is to try and get the pitcher to throw all of his stuff from the same release point which is a pretty difficult process for some pitchers. A lot of pitchers(Cease is a good example) really have to force themselves to do this because old habits are tough to change when they have been "throwing" not "pitching". Watch Cease today and watch his landing spot and where he throws teh ball from(release point). He's better than he was but is far from a "pitcher" in my eyes. He and Rodon have the best stuff on the staff and among the best in baseball. Rodon has cleaned his mechanics up Cease is still working on it.
Also, watch Cease talk to himself while on the mound. He knows what he should do and when he doesn't he knows it. And that is a good thing. Its a work in process and he is making a good improvement. I think that next year, he will be an ace of the staff and a lot of that credit goes to his coach and himself.
Cool - thanks for the insight.
I love the study of mechanics in any sport. I'm an engineer - it's what I love to study. I've spent years breaking down and teaching various mechanics involved in hockey to varying degrees of success, but I would honestly love to learn more about pitching mechanics.
You're welcome. I used basic mechanics in teaching young pitchers throughout my life. The controlled fall, the transfer of weight. Experimenting with grips. reducing the stress on the elbow, the use of the legs more than the arm in developing velocity. I also taught them the notion of working backwards when their control goes away and understanding why a pitch ended up where it did. I don't know crap about hockey although it is my favorite sport to watch in person but I do think that the weight transfer involved in firing a puck is akin in a way to delivery of a baseball and hitting a baseball in as far as your lower body is concerned. Same thing applies to the golf swing also.
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I coached my younger son in baseball till he was thirteen. He was always a pretty good hitter. That year he got on a tournament team. Starts the season and can't hit worth squat. At first I thought it was the stiffer competition but one day I am driving him to practice and I laugh at a bumper sticker. He asks me why I'm laughing. I point out the bumper sticker and he says "What does it say, it'a all blurry to me?"
So we get him checked, he gets glasses and contacts and the next tournament he's raking the ball all over the place.
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Good story Pete. I went a couple years in late elementary school needing glasses but too vain to tell anyone. Went from high scorer in my class in hoops to the bench the next year.
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Good story Pete. I went a couple years in late elementary school needing glasses but too vain to tell anyone. Went from high scorer in my class in hoops to the bench the next year.
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Back in the "old days", glasses were pretty expensive for a family to buy. I started wearing them at about 7 years old because the teacher noticed me squinting at what was on the blackboard. I was very nearsighted in both eyes. And when later I played basketball, I played without my glasses for a long time because I didn't want to break them which did happen once. I did okay without them but I really couldn't see the basket when I shot from the outside. As it turned out, I never was a good shot even with glasses either:)
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Did I just hear that Tony is taking both Robert and Anderson out of the line-up for todays game? What the hell is that? Kuechel has got to be wondering why when he pitches, Tony decides to put a weak line-up behind him. To me this is crap. You are playing a team that you should be trying your best to beat and you trot out this line-up? I get the saving the players but do it against bad teams please. Two guys who are raking the ball should not be sitting down especially with our weak hitting bottom of the order. Bad management 101!!!
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I was a shooter. Was not particularly tall so I could not rebound and I was not particularly quick so I sucked on defense. But I could shoot better than anyone else on my team. Helped I knew the game well.
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Prior to tonight’s game at Toronto, the #WhiteSox reinstated infielder/outfielder Leury García from the 10-day injured list and optioned right-handed pitcher Ryan Burr to Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1430257672880787456
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Magic number = 28
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Prior to today’s series finale at Toronto, the #WhiteSox reinstated All-Star left-handed pitcher Carlos Rodón from the 10-day injured list and optioned infielder Danny Mendick to Class AAA Charlotte.
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Yaz is back tonight.
Collins to AAA.
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Prior to tonight’s series opener vs. the Cubs, the Chicago #WhiteSox reinstated catcher Yasmani Grandal from the 10-day injured list and optioned catcher Zack Collins to Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1431292948738678786
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The Collins to Triple-A move surprises me for a few reasons. I assume they plan to carry three catchers in the month of September so why blow an "option year" on Collins when they are only five day away from roster expansion to 28 players. Grandal, in his minor league rehab, spent limited time behind the plate as he was a DH. I'd want to be sure he could catch 9 innings over 50% of the games before I'd go with 2 catchers. Mike Wright, Jr. is still on the 26-man active roster, he should have been sent down first.
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This is Collins' last option.
Looks like September will be the end of the Zack Collins era on the south side.
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This is Collins' last option.
Looks like September will be the end of the Zack Collins era on the south side.
One of the reasons it makes no sense. If they decided he has no future with the team, it's better to preserve the one remaining option year as it makes him more appealing to another organization in a trade if they know they retain a option year. Better to trade him for a prospect before losing him for nothing like they did with Zack Burdi.
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I've always said the Sox don't know how to manage options.
Besides did they really need to call up Grandal - this whole thing seems a rush - if he can't catch 9 innings 2 out of 3 games he's not ready.
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i don't know who does a worse job. The guy who manages their player options or the guy who is their replay reviewer.
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Collins burns an option only if he spends 21 days in the minors. He'll be back next week.
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Collins burns an option only if he spends 21 days in the minors. He'll be back next week.
Really?
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Serious question:
Do the Sox leave Keuchel off the postseason roster?
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Yes
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Collins burns an option only if he spends 21 days in the minors. He'll be back next week.
Really?
Really, Really? That's counter to all I thought I knew.
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Collins burns an option only if he spends 21 days in the minors. He'll be back next week.
BlackSox is correct on 20 days before burning an option year: https://www.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/minor-league-options
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As the P-Funk sang: free your mind, and your ass will follow ;) :D ;D
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I had no idea, and it has always been that way? Wow, surprised this never came up before, thought for sure just the act of sending a guy down first time in a season cost an option. Learned something new today, if I was working I could leave work.
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I didn’t know either. Wry interesting.
Collins now is prepped for not making the playoff roster. So there is that.
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I've always said the Sox don't know how to manage options.
Besides did they really need to call up Grandal - this whole thing seems a rush - if he can't catch 9 innings 2 out of 3 games he's not ready.
Are you serious? They need to set their line-up going into the play-offs. How can you say that he is not ready? based on what? Grandal went through surgery and rehab on his knee. Did you watch him catch the last two games? He was excellent catching from the squat position not the one knee on the ground crap that too many catchers do. He also has to get back in sync with his pitching coach and his pitchers.
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i don't know who does a worse job. The guy who manages their player options or the guy who is their replay reviewer.
Managing Player options requires a guy? Who knew? Hell, even I could do that job:)
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Abreu is an amazing player and role model for all of the younger players the Sox have. You can really tell how much fun he is having talking to these young guys. I think he feeds off of them and they feed off of him.
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Lynn on the 10-day IL, retroactive to 8/29, with knee inflammation. Expected to miss only one start.
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I wonder if we'll see each postseason starter take a turn on the IL for 10 days.
Rodon first, then Lynn. Next up, Cease, then Gio?
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Prior to tonight’s series opener vs. Pittsburgh, the #WhiteSox placed All-Star right-handed pitcher Lance Lynn on the 10-day injured list (retroactive to August 29) with right knee inflammation and recalled infielder Danny Mendick from Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1432803267646525443
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/09/white-sox-to-select-romy-gonzalez.html
Romy Gonzalez being called up.
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White Sox Transactions:
Date Transaction
08/31/21 Chicago White Sox signed free agent RHP Carl Edwards Jr. to a minor league contract.
09/01/21 Chicago White Sox activated CF Billy Hamilton.
09/01/21 Chicago White Sox selected the contract of 3B Romy Gonzalez from Charlotte Knights.
09/01/21 Chicago White Sox designated 3B Jake Lamb for assignment.
09/01/21 Chicago White Sox recalled RHP Matt Foster from Charlotte Knights.
09/01/21 Chicago White Sox recalled 1B Gavin Sheets from Charlotte Knights.
09/01/21 Chicago White Sox placed SS Tim Anderson on the 10-day injured list. Left hamstring strain.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/roster/transactions
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Basically, to read / project into roles, Romy is replacing Anderson, Sheets is replacing Lamb, and Hamilton (speed + OF D) + Foster are roster expansions.
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Who goes down if/when Engel is activated?
Romy (rely on Leury and Mendick to back up the infield)?
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Baaaa - bye
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I snickered.
That said, he was an adequate fill-in who provided almost exactly league-average production... good hole plug.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/09/white-sox-sign-carl-edwards-jr.html
The Kyle Crick era has ended on the South Side. Sounds like after a successful 10 1/3 innings (15 K / 3 BB / 1 ER), he's hoping he catches on somewhere on a big league roster after being passed over by the Sox.
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José Abreu really likes the month of August. :)
He batted .330/.382/.661 (37-112) with seven doubles, 10 home runs, 25 RBI and 22 runs scored over 28 games as he captured his second consecutive August AL Player of the Month Award.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1433550268298317824
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https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/edge/baseball/mlb/player/21183/adam-engel
Engel to begin rehab assignment today.
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The #WhiteSox have recalled right-handed pitcher Jimmy Lambert from Class AAA Charlotte and optioned right-hander Matt Foster to Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1434954707584405511
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has any team picked up Burdi? Anyone know? Foster is worthless.
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has any team picked up Burdi? Anyone know? Foster is worthless.
Baltimore system (8/18 waiver claim)
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....and Jake Lamb was claimed off waivers by the Blue Jays on September 3rd. He is on their MLB active roster.
https://www.mlb.com/player/jake-lamb-571875
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Magic number now at 14
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Magic Number? This team is playing like crap and has been for awhile.
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Fortunately the Indians have been playing crappier.
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Fortunately the Indians have been playing crappier.
Honestly, I wish the Indians were playing much better and making the White Sox get their heads out of their butts and start playing hard and putting decent players on the field. This team sucks right now. I look at these other teams and it looks to me that they are playing with a purpose and just playing harder than the White Sox are. Our has been terrible the entire year and still is. Some of these guys can't even hit a ball to the outfield for cripes sake.
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The #WhiteSox have reinstated right-handed pitcher Lance Lynn from the 10-day injured list and optioned right-hander Jimmy Lambert to Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1436469134267715585
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Prior to tonight’s game:
TA activated from IL
Gio activated from IL.
Collins called up
Vaughn to IL
Seby down to AAA
Mendick down to AAA.
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I suspect Collins was only recalled to preserve his one remaining option year. His hitting was absolutely terrible at Charlotte (.143 / .211 / .610). Seby will now get a chance to play every day in Charlotte and will be the 2nd catcher on the playoff roster.
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another roster move....
Prior to tonight’s series opener vs. the Los Angeles Angels, the #WhiteSox placed right-handed pitcher Ryan Tepera on the 10-day injured list (retroactive to September 11) with a right index finger laceration and recalled left-handed pitcher Jace Fry from Class AAA Charlotte.
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Ouch, that one hurts. Tepera has been pretty good.
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Finger laceration… seems like from an accident.
I hope it wasn’t a wardrobe-related injury like Quantrill earlier in the year.
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Andy,
Thanks for the thoughts on Seby and Collins. Makes sense
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MLB Suspends Mike Wright, Tony La Russa
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/09/mlb-suspends-mike-wright-tony-la-russa.html
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I think that Lance Lynn would like to set the line-up for them when he pitches. I can't believe he just had another start where he gives up no earned runs and doesn't get a victory. He must get less run support than any other starting pitcher in all of baseball. Its going to cost him the Cy Young award:(
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He must get less run support than any other starting pitcher in all of baseball. Its going to cost him the Cy Young award:(
Some people around here believe that to be the fault of the pitcher ;)
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Background: Loveland and I had many debates about Quintana during his best years with the Sox. My claim was that he had zero run support. Her assertion was that he pitched just well enough to lose.
Of course, I think we can all agree that his performance in recent years has been bad.
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I liked Quintana and thought that he pitched very well for the Sox.
Also, they can say all that they want to about the new metrics for assessing a pitcher's "worth" so to speak but Wins for a starting pitcher are important evaluators of a pitcher's performance. And saying that, when a pitcher doesn't get run support like Lynn hasn't, his win-loss record gets affected. And don't think for a minute that any pitcher who works his butt off to shut another team down doesn't get pissed off when his team cannot score any runs to back him up.
Yeah, some people will argue that its a "team" sport and all but it is also a sport which rewards individual excellence probably more than any other sport does. And it is not wrong for any pitcher to get pissed off when a very good performance doesn't merit a win for himself. None of the so-called advanced metrics really cover that situation.
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I just had a thought. I don't know what the rules are regarding this in major league baseball but I suggest that the White Sox wear the same uniforms that they wore in the Field of Dreams game. Those unis were AWESOME. I got the idea for it when I saw the picture of Anderson on this thread. That was truly a magical night and maybe the Sox could feed off of that night's magic when the play-offs start?
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The difference between Lance Lynn and Q can be found in their W-L record.
Plus my post in the Around Baseball topic regarding Q’s innate ability is still sitting there not responded to.
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There. I responded.
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The difference between Lance Lynn and Q can be found in their W-L record.
Plus my post in the Around Baseball topic regarding Q’s innate ability is still sitting there not responded to.
Quintana was a decent middle to back of the rotation starting pitcher for a few years. Lance Lynn has been a stud pitcher for a long time. That is the correct comparison of the two guys, I believe.
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Prior to today’s game at Detroit, the #WhiteSox returned outfielder Adam Engel from his injury rehabilitation assignment with Class AAA Charlotte, reinstated him from the 10-day injured list and optioned infielder Romy González to Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1440343884245045256
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Prior to today’s game at Detroit, the #WhiteSox returned outfielder Adam Engel from his injury rehabilitation assignment with Class AAA Charlotte, reinstated him from the 10-day injured list and optioned infielder Romy González to Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1440343884245045256
They should have brought up Burger instead of Gonzalez. Burger can hit. I guess they wanted to see if Gonzalez can play at this level. I was not impressed. He had one three hit game I think but really didn't square up many baseballs.
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Please, Please, Pretty Please.....Someone stuff a sock in Jason's mouth about this stupid Magic Number bullcrap. I mean every damned inning, this guy runs his mouth about there being some urgency to clinch the division as if Cleveland has anykind of chance to win the division. Shut the damned guy's mouth. Hey, Jason, why don't you quite yapping about stupid stuff and maybe question Tony's line-ups, the lousy techniques the catchers use. Garcia not knowing how to play 3rd base, Sheets going for a ball that he should have let Hernandez get and get his butt back to first base instead of knocking the ball into the outfield and costing them a run? You know. Little stuff like that:)
I really hope that Jason does get a network job. He's a jabbering announcer and is like a little dog gnawing at a steak bone and won't let it go. Sometimes, less is more and this is the case with Benetti.
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Sometimes, less is more
That is not what she said
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Sometimes, less is more
That is not what she said
?????? Who is "she"??
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That is not what she said
Heh.
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The #WhiteSox have recalled right-handed pitcher Matt Foster from Class AAA Charlotte as the 29th player for today’s split doubleheader at Cleveland.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1441046834194096130
Prior to Game 2 of today’s doubleheader at Cleveland, the #WhiteSox reinstated outfielder Andrew Vaughn from the 10-day injured list and optioned left-handed pitcher Jace Fry to Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1441150335188299782
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Following today’s split doubleheader at Cleveland, the #WhiteSox returned right-handed pitcher Matt Foster to Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1441216949262815234
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Prior to today’s series finale at Cleveland, the #WhiteSox placed outfielder Brian Goodwin on the 10-day injured list (retroactive to September 24) with lower back spasms and recalled right-handed pitcher Matt Foster from Class AAA Charlotte.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1442136134302187521
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Man, Foster is really racking up the frequent flyer miles this year.
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Is he not really just traveling with the current team for the most part?
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I think he has actually left the team for most of those times, as he has pitched on and off in AAA too.
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White Sox wins above replacement per Baseball Reference
Lynn 5.0
Rodon 4.6
Giolito 4.0
Anderson 4.0
Moncada 3.9
Grandal 3.7
Robert 3.2
Abreu 2.9
Cease 2.7
Garcia 2.4
Hendriks 2.4
Engel 1.6
https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/1442927014244016134
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where's the great Cesar?
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where's the great Cesar?
Eating his salad maybe?
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Tim Anderson has received a suspension of three (3) regular season games and an undisclosed fine for making contact with Umpire Tim Timmons during the on-field incident with the Detroit Tigers in the top of the ninth inning of Monday’s game at Detroit’s Comerica Park.
Anderson's suspension had been scheduled to begin tonight, when the White Sox are to host the Cincinnati Reds. However, Anderson has elected to appeal. Thus, the discipline will be held in abeyance until the process is complete.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1443343925259997192
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/1443344050778746880
video from Monday in Detroit: https://twitter.com/NBCSWhiteSox/status/1443361332955422720
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Prior to tonight’s series opener vs. Detroit, the #WhiteSox reinstated right-handed pitcher Ryan Tepera from the 10-day injured list and designated right-hander Mike Wright for assignment.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1444014276713320475
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White Sox wins above replacement per Baseball Reference
Lynn 5.0
Rodon 4.6
Giolito 4.0
Anderson 4.0
Moncada 3.9
Grandal 3.7
Robert 3.2
Abreu 2.9
Cease 2.7
Garcia 2.4
Hendriks 2.4
Engel 1.6
https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/1442927014244016134
I'd love to listen to baseball players discussing their value to a team determined by the determination of a very complex statistical regression analysis:) I would love to hear someone like Hendrick getting an explanation of his value being the same as Garcia's, for example:)
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I'd love to listen to baseball players discussing their value to a team determined by the determination of a very complex statistical regression analysis:) I would love to hear someone like Hendrick getting an explanation of his value being the same as Garcia's, for example:)
Some players do, apparently.
The discrepancy in this case is that they don’t take into account number of innings played / pitched, nor does it take into account the leverage of the innings.
That’s why when you compare WAR of a reliever (like Hendriks) vs. a WAR of a position player, you as the reader need to take it into account. It’s a useful metric to compare players of the same position / role, but not so much if you’re looking to compare a Leury Garcia to a Liam Hendriks. Anyone can see that Hendriks is used far more in high-leverage situations, so his contributions in WAR will be skewed based on leverage.
As a side note, for BillSharp, WAR takes into account things like how plays / players move runners along, advance on hit balls, and things like that as well, in case you wanted to see a stat that values the same things you do.
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Hopefully he will win a Silver Slugger award
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I'd love to listen to baseball players discussing their value to a team determined by the determination of a very complex statistical regression analysis:) I would love to hear someone like Hendrick getting an explanation of his value being the same as Garcia's, for example:)
Some players do, apparently.
The discrepancy in this case is that they don’t take into account number of innings played / pitched, nor does it take into account the leverage of the innings.
That’s why when you compare WAR of a reliever (like Hendriks) vs. a WAR of a position player, you as the reader need to take it into account. It’s a useful metric to compare players of the same position / role, but not so much if you’re looking to compare a Leury Garcia to a Liam Hendriks. Anyone can see that Hendriks is used far more in high-leverage situations, so his contributions in WAR will be skewed based on leverage.
As a side note, for BillSharp, WAR takes into account things like how plays / players move runners along, advance on hit balls, and things like that as well, in case you wanted to see a stat that values the same things you do.
Yep. It also doesn't factor things like "leadership" into the model. IF it did, guys like Anderson, Lynn, and Abreu would rate out higher. Back to Hendricks for a second. I don't know but his Walk to strikeout ratio has got to be about the best I have ever seen. In an age, where so many pitchers nibble around the corners, struggle with their control, "choke", etc., what a pleasure it is to have a guy come in with the game on the line and go after hitters like he does. A guy facing Hendricks better get into that batter's box knowing that he is going to have to be ready to hit some excellent stuff and not even think about getting a walk.
Hendricks is truly an amazing pitcher and Hahn gave the Sox the best in all of baseball when he added Hendricks to this already good team.
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FYI I took the liberty of editing your post, as your contributions (your two paragraphs) appeared as part of my post you were quoting.
You're spot on with the leadership aspect. Advanced stats only tell the story of an individual player's results / direct contributions. They don't tell you anything about HOW the players are improving, increasing production, etc. They don't give any indication of the effects of guys like Lynn and Abreu have on other players.
What the advanced stats SHOULD be used for is to help the players and coaches figure out where the deficiencies in a player's (or a team's) game is, whether it's by looking at hitters' "chase" rates, batted ball information (direction, velocity, launch angle), and then make corrective actions if needed. Alternatively, a GM can look at the same information on opposing players, and consult with scouts / coaches to figure out: a) how to exploit opposing hitters' weaknesses; or b) how to fix a "broken" player and acquire someone on the cheap.
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FYI I took the liberty of editing your post, as your contributions (your two paragraphs) appeared as part of my post you were quoting.
You're spot on with the leadership aspect. Advanced stats only tell the story of an individual player's results / direct contributions. They don't tell you anything about HOW the players are improving, increasing production, etc. They don't give any indication of the effects of guys like Lynn and Abreu have on other players.
What the advanced stats SHOULD be used for is to help the players and coaches figure out where the deficiencies in a player's (or a team's) game is, whether it's by looking at hitters' "chase" rates, batted ball information (direction, velocity, launch angle), and then make corrective actions if needed. Alternatively, a GM can look at the same information on opposing players, and consult with scouts / coaches to figure out: a) how to exploit opposing hitters' weaknesses; or b) how to fix a "broken" player and acquire someone on the cheap.
I agree. Intelligently used(And I emphasize the word "intelligently"), metrics can play a role in a players performance or nonperformance. I just disagree with how what I would call "observers" and "baseball analysts" rely on and place too much emphasis(my opinion) on them as the truth of things regarding a baseball player.
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joey, do they rate all position players the same or are they rating Grandal to other catchers, Anderson to other shortstops?
Moncada seems high compared to other position players but not to 3rd baseman.
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Relative to same position, so shortstop vs. shortstop, 3B vs. 3B, etc.
I believe for multi-position players such as Leury they weight them based on innings at each position (and plate appearances while officially designated at that position).
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José Abreu will travel to Houston tonight after battling flu-like symptoms over recent days. He is feeling better & his symptoms are improving. Multiple tests have confirmed that his illness is not Covid-related. A decision on his avail. for ALDS Game 1 will be made tomorrow.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1445833765700341761
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TAXI SQUAD:
INF Jake Burger, RHP Ryan Burr, RHP Matt Foster, LHP Jace Fry, INF Romy González,
OF Brian Goodwin, LHP Dallas Keuchel, RHP Evan Marshall and C Seby Zavala
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Note: audio NSFW (it has Lance Lynn and Liam Hendriks. You should know by now)
"Pitching Ninja" Rob Friedman asks the hard-hitting questions to Lance Lynn and Liam Hendriks
https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1446142293036224512
(and his advanced "scouting report" on Lynn: https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1446140011586412548)
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I feel like in years past, a veteran guy performing like Keuchel would have been picked over someone like Ruiz or Lopez based on track record (see: Griffey, various incarnations of Sandy Alomar, etc.)
I'm very happy to see that they selected the pitchers they selected. Actually, given the options (read: players on taxi squad), I'm pretty happy with the ALDS roster.
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INF Jake Burger, RHP Ryan Burr, RHP Matt Foster, LHP Jace Fry, INF Romy González,
OF Brian Goodwin, LHP Dallas Keuchel, RHP Evan Marshall and C Seby Zavala
kinda surprised Romy has moved ahead of Mendick on Sox depth chart. Mendick is a MUCH better defender.
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You may have missed where Mendick is on the active roster... so your gut is correct.
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You may have missed where Mendick is on the active roster... so your gut is correct.
Didn't see they dropped from 13 to 12 pitchers. Smart move.
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Yep. 4 starters.
Just drop Keuchel.
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Would love to see them drop Keuchel and his $18 million dollar salary for all of 2022.
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The only thing worse than watching a player suck is seeing them suck AND knowing they are making buckets of $$$ while they do it.
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At least Kimbrel is making Hahn's decision regarding picking up Kimbrel's $16M team option for 2022 easy.
Madrigal / Heuer for Kimbrel will go down as the worst trade The Beloved has made in the time I have followed them.
Sosa for George Bell doesn't count in my book because Sammy would likely have been at best a mediocre player if he had not started 'roiding.
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Yea. It will be rubbed in our faces for many years. Good thing we have Cease and Eloy to block the incoming taunts.
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At least Kimbrel is making Hahn's decision regarding picking up Kimbrel's $16M team option for 2022 easy.
Madrigal / Heuer for Kimbrel will go down as the worst trade The Beloved has made in the time I have followed them.
Sosa for George Bell doesn't count in my book because Sammy would likely have been at best a mediocre player if he had not started 'roiding.
I'm hoping that they pick up his option.
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Fernando Tatis Jr. for James Stinker Shields was a worse trade.
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Kimbrel trade reminds me of 1959-1960 when we traded Johnny Callison, Don Mincher, Earl Battey and Norm Cash to get some guys we thought would get us over the top.
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"Fernando Tatis Jr. for James Stinker Shields was a worse trade."
I'm labelling the Kimbrel trade "worst" because it seemed so right at the time and it just blew up in Hahn's face (literally from the first time Kimbrel pitched for the Sox).
I would call Tatis/Shields the dumbest trade. Lets trade some guys who have potential for a guy who has been sucking for a while and will continue his sucktitude with us.
A subtle difference but one that it important ;)
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Ultimately, this year's failure falls upon management.
Did the manager and the coaches really inspire or motivate the team? Or did the players simply tolerate the on-field management?
Did the GM acquire players who know that high intensity must be maintained right through to the end of a long season, or do we have players who are content to let up in the second half and just squeak into the playoffs?
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Tampa maintained their intensity and they were out in 4 games too.
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We faced a team that's used to the playoffs.
Whatever your opinions about their antics, there's a reason Houston's in the ALCS for a 5th straight year.
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Not getting Escobar hurt too.
At least we aren’t the Padres. What a mess they have made of that team.
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Escobar's a FA. We need to solve the second base problem. I've seen enough of the great Cesar.
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Was hoping Cesar would be a “not a hole” in the lineup.
He was not “not a hole.”
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The First thing that the White Sox need to do and do soon is to FIRE Tony LaRussa. They fired Renteria because they needed someone to advance in the play-offs and win a championship. that is why Reinny hired LaRussa we were told. So, the White Sox didn't advance. Tony totally screwed up the regular season and securing home field advantage, he cost the White Sox the second play-off game, he failed to stand up for his player, Abreu when he got intentionally hit by that piece of **** Baker. tony should ahve got in Baker's face not plead his case with the damned umpires. Baker got over Tony who he hates. Screw tony LaRussa.
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Things to do in the off season:
1. Move Reinny to an old folks home and take away his power of attorney.
2. Fire Tony LaRussa
3. Sign Starling Marte to be their right fielder.
4. Sign Yan Gomez to be their starting Catcher and make Grandal a DH/C/1B
5. Release Kimbrel
6. Move Moncada to second base or trade him for a starting pitcher and/or second baseman.
7. Put Burger at 3B and keep him there.
8. Put Sheets in the line-up against all right handed pitchers. Play him at DH and LF on occasion
9. Begin to move Abreu off of first base. He should not play more than 90 games at first base next season. Let him DH and rest him at least one in 6 games.
10. Begin to move Vaughn to 1B. Forget about playing him in the outfield.
11. Fire LaRussa and see what Bruce Bochey is doing these days. He knows his way around how to manage a pitching staff.
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Escobar's a FA. We need to solve the second base problem. I've seen enough of the great Cesar.
Agreed!
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I dunno - just seems like starters sputtered. Efficiency was an issue (starting with command) more and more as the season went on. It seemed like hitters made harder contact more consistently off our guys.
Like I said, I'm hoping that back-to-back full seasons will help things. I just got the sense that arms wore down, not necessarily manifested in velocity but in command and movement. More hanging pitches, more spots missed compared to earlier in the season, less deception on what should be "out" pitches.
I agree that they got rest, but I wonder if it just wasn't enough.
Either way, I think we can all agree that Keuchel shouldn't be on the pitching staff anymore, and we need upgrades at 2B and RF. So there's that.
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Tampa maintained their intensity and they were out in 4 games too.
Not sure about that. According to the Boston players, the Red Sox got more fired up when they heard that Tampa Bay had already ordered champagne before the series was decided. TB is depicted as being very laid-back in the clubhouse/dugout -- eating popcorn, acting nonchalant, etc.
https://www.nbcboston.com/news/sports/nbcsports/rays-plans-to-deliver-champagne-to-boston-lit-a-fire-under-red-sox/2514229/
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BOP, you have "fire Tony La Russa" on your offseason to-do list twice. Not that I disagree, but do you feel strongly about that? LOL
It doesn't seem that the players really seem to listen to La Russa or respect him much – maybe that's a misperception, but I don't think so. In historical context, La Russa's current stint reminds me of the unsuccessful 1976 Paul Richards experiment.
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Is Katz a major league pitching coach? Giolito, Cease and Rodon all struck me as over-amped; not as a deer in the headlights sort of thing but more that they weren't controlling their energy. I think it was Pierzinski who said Rodon looked like he was "bouncing off the walls" when he was standing and talking with Katz after the second inning; found it prophetic that one of of the FOX announcers said the risk that pitchers in the playoffs have is that if they come out too amped they burn thru their adrenalin in teh first inning or two and then fatigue quickly and then sure enough those three were lights out in the first and fell apart after that.
Is that just something that comes with experience or does the pitching coach and veterans like Lynn take it on themselves to make sure they are staying relaxed in the dugout?
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'BOP, you have "fire Tony La Russa" on your offseason to-do list twice. Not that I disagree, but do you feel strongly about that? LOL"
Fury, BOP is not fan of Mr. La Russa. ;)
I was just surprised he didn't add "make Yermin Mercedes your everyday DH" ;D
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Escobar would be nice but I like Semien better and I think he is a FA too. As will be Baez, but would rather have one of the other two.
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Escobar would be nice but I like Semien better and I think he is a FA too. As will be Baez, but would rather have one of the other two.
Semien would probably cost a draft pick (should receive a QO)... FWIW.
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Semien signed a one yr FA contract last year, no? Do second FA contracts cost a draft pick?
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'BOP, you have "fire Tony La Russa" on your offseason to-do list twice. Not that I disagree, but do you feel strongly about that? LOL"
Fury, BOP is not fan of Mr. La Russa. ;)
I was just surprised he didn't add "make Yermin Mercedes your everyday DH" ;D
the White Sox totally screwed up the Yermin Mercedes situation. that is just one of many reasons why i cannot stand Tony LaRussa. He never should have been hired. Now I hear he will only stay if the players vote to keep him as their manager. What kind of total CRAP is that? Its so much typical of stupid management to do something like this. Only in Chicago sports would this happen:(
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Semien signed a one yr FA contract last year, no? Do second FA contracts cost a draft pick?
He didn't get a Qualifying Offer.
Same situation (on paper) as Rodon - was a free agent who was not offered a Qualifying Offer. As someone who has not yet been offered a QO, any team who has him under expiring contract can offer him a QO prior to his hitting the FA market.
That's my understanding anyways.
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Meh on kimbrel. He was bad but had nothing to do with losing series.
Tony back. Players like him
F no on semien. Gonna cost way too much. Yolbert Sanchez is next 2b. Probably better than Mad.
Trade burger, micker, others and get a RF and starter. I want Ketel Marte. Solves many issues. Lefty, high OBP.
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Meh on kimbrel. He was bad but had nothing to do with losing series.
Tony back. Players like him
F no on semien. Gonna cost way too much. Yolbert Sanchez is next 2b. Probably better than Mad.
Trade burger, micker, others and get a RF and starter. I want Ketel Marte. Solves many issues. Lefty, high OBP.
I believe that Ketel Marte plays second base. The guy I want for right field is Starling Marte who bats right handed but who is a high BA and doubles machine with the best stolen base ability in baseball and is a very good outfielder.
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Ketel is CF/2b so he could move to rf.
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Ketel is CF/2b so he could move to rf.
He does but only recently did they put him out there. In seven years, he's played around 75 game total in center field. I like the fact that he is a left handed bat but I still like the other Marte because he is faster and steals bases a lot.
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who's Mad?
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Ketel is CF/2b so he could move to rf.
He does but only recently did they put him out there. In seven years, he's played around 75 game total in center field. I like the fact that he is a left handed bat but I still like the other Marte because he is faster and steals bases a lot.
He’s played 172. I’d take either. Or both. Play Ketel at 2b
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drigal
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Ketel is CF/2b so he could move to rf.
He does but only recently did they put him out there. In seven years, he's played around 75 game total in center field. I like the fact that he is a left handed bat but I still like the other Marte because he is faster and steals bases a lot.
He’s played 172. I’d take either. Or both. Play Ketel at 2b
To be exact, he's played 76 games in the outfield according to hhis fielding statistics. And 70 of those games came last season.
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https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/marteke01.shtml
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Kimbrel + ?? For Gallo?
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I was wrong about Marte's games in center field. I took my numbers from the ESPN baseball site and looking at it a 2nd time just now, I found out that they omitted the 90 games that he played on one year. So you are correct.
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Kimbrel + ?? For Gallo?
I wouldn't give them much in addition to Kimbrel. Its not like Gallo is anykind of a star. He can't hit even .200 hardly and led baseball in strikeouts several years. Yeah he hits home-runs and plays a good right field. But he's only a rental also for a year. I'd do it straight up for Kimbrel with maybe some money going back to the Yankees for the difference in salary. Maybe a minor league prospect also but certainly not a valuable one.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/mlb-free-agent-preview-starting-pitchers.html
FA starting pitcher tiers.
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Syndergaard would be an interesting candidate if he doesn't receive a QO from the Mets
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Syndergaard would be an interesting candidate if he doesn't receive a QO from the Mets
He's the guy that jumped up at me also. I would love to see both he and Rodon signed for maybe a two year contract with a mutual option for the 3rd year.
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I think that it is over-time for the Chicago White Sox to realize that they have way to many DH types and defensively limited players on their roster. Look at the guys who will or do fit the narrative and be a DH in their potential futures:
1. Jimenez -- The guy is a defensive liability in LF. With the kid gloves that they have on him, his inability to cover ground is pathetic. So where else to play him? First base? How in the hell do we know that he has the ability to pick the ball and make the throws that 1B requires on occasion? Nope, his down the road option is pretty much only as a DH.
2. Abreu -- Maybe his last year at 1B and he should be relieved of a lot of that this next season also which means he would DH a lot. On the last year of his contract also. What if he doesn't want to DH? Do you let him walk?
3. Burger -- If you don't trade Moncada and put Burger at 3B his only real options are 1B and DH. IF the Sox lose him, I predict that they will really regret it when this guy puts up very large slugging numbers for someone else.
4. Sheets -- Another 1B who is plugged into right field where he jsut cannot cover much ground. His logical places other than right field is 1B if they platoon Abreu and once again DH
5. Vaughn -- Another 1B (see the problem, yet?) He can play a decent LF and has a good arm but is a liability in RF. So do you move Jimenez to DH and platoon Vaughn in LF/1B/DH?
6. Grandal -- An arthritic catcher whose best defensive days are behind him. So, do you do the DH/1B/C routine with him?
Meanwhile, the White Sox have very real position weaknesses at 2B, RF, LF and C That, to me, is unacceptable. They have 6 players listed above who all possess excellent power and that is all good. But they cannot all fit on a baseball line-up. This is the real challenge for Hahn in the off season. Some very hard decision have to be made.
They need as far as I am concerned with a legitimate Right field. My choice is Starling Marte who will lead the league in stolen bases and can cover a lot of ground in both center field and right field.
They also need a second baseman and I would wait until spring training for making a decision or that until they see how their young guys look that are coming up.
Left Field, I would put Sheets out there and platoon him with Jimenez for awhile and DH the other times
I'd move Burger to 3rd base and move Moncada to 2nd base or if Moncada balks at being moved, I'd trade him for a starting pitcher and a relief pitcher.
I'd move Vaughn to 1B as the logical replacement for Abreu. Let those two split time between first base and DH.
I would also look into trading Grandal. Look, I know, the guy had an awesome year. I get that. But the National League will go to a DH next year and there will be a HUGE demand for these kind of very good to great hitters and Grandal is one of them. So, I'm suggesting that the Sox really scour the trade availabilities and in return get something back that can improve their pitching, defense and minor league prospects. HE also makes a ton of money and Reinny loves his money after all:(
So, by trading Grandal, they will need to sign a veteran catcher and a young back-up. Yan Gomez is a free agent and he would fill the bill for me. Good hitter and receiver. Wait and see how the young catchers in the organization look in spring training for a back-up role.
By trading Moncada and Grandal, it solves the Sheet, Burger, and Vaughn dilemna I think for at least the next year and if Moncada moves to second base that's fine also.
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Yasmani Grandal underwent another knee surgery: https://twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1450971754399244289
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/10/evan-marshall-to-undergo-tommy-john-surgery.html
URL says it all
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gotta take him off the 40, he won't play next yr. Sign Tepera.
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Depending on transaction timing, is he worth keeping on 40-man for the offseason, then stashing on the 60-day IL to free up a spot on the 40-man?
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Yasmani Grandal underwent another knee surgery: https://twitter.com/JRFegan/status/1450971754399244289
33 year old catchers with bum knees are not a great commodity. Fortunately for Grandal, he can hit and hit with power so he will have a lot of value, particularly in a National League that will have a bunch of teams scrambling for DHs next year.
Another guy who would maybe have some value is Mercedes. He's done in the SOX organization but they still have his rights. I expect some teams would be interested in taking a flyer on him in Spring training.
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I might be wrong but I don't think that I'd wait very long to make Crochet into a starting pitcher. I think that he may be a number one caliber starting pitcher before Kopech does. But he needs work and I think that he needs to go to 3A and be brought along for a couple of months and then brought up in June as a starting pitcher. HE also needs to be taught a good pick-off move and a slide step. His stuff is terrific but he really hasn't been taught how to field his position, and the little things that major league pitchers need to be successful.
They also need to teach Kopech a wind-up instead of the simple fall down that he uses. Deception is a tool for good pitchers and without a runner on base, a good wind-up not only adds deception as well as helping hiding the ball.
Kopech also has to throw more breaking pitches in the games. He is too predictable and hitters sit on his fastball way too much.
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I might be wrong but I don't think that I'd wait very long to make Crochet into a starting pitcher. I think that he may be a number one caliber starting pitcher before Kopech does. But he needs work and I think that he needs to go to 3A and be brought along for a couple of months and then brought up in June as a starting pitcher. HE also needs to be taught a good pick-off move and a slide step. His stuff is terrific but he really hasn't been taught how to field his position, and the little things that major league pitchers need to be successful.
You don't think Crochet can be stretched out over the course of the season and used periodically in lower-leverage situations to work on those things?
If the team weren't in contention next year I'd agree that he should go down to AAA to work on those things, but his arm is too valuable in high-leverage situations. Hopefully there's a right balance that doesn't stunt his growth.
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I might be wrong but I don't think that I'd wait very long to make Crochet into a starting pitcher. I think that he may be a number one caliber starting pitcher before Kopech does. But he needs work and I think that he needs to go to 3A and be brought along for a couple of months and then brought up in June as a starting pitcher. HE also needs to be taught a good pick-off move and a slide step. His stuff is terrific but he really hasn't been taught how to field his position, and the little things that major league pitchers need to be successful.
You don't think Crochet can be stretched out over the course of the season and used periodically in lower-leverage situations to work on those things?
If the team weren't in contention next year I'd agree that he should go down to AAA to work on those things, but his arm is too valuable in high-leverage situations. Hopefully there's a right balance that doesn't stunt his growth.
You do ask a good question about stretching him out during the regular season. Truth is I don't know. I kind of question if LaRussa would stick with doing it. He said that the Sox would do it with Kopech and he didn't. Instead he put Kopech into a kind of strange middle relief role and with me anyway, this was a mistake as it pertains to Kopech's development.
I just think that Crochet can be an awesome starting pitcher if they develop him properly. His basic pitching mechanics are excellent and I am impressed by his entire make-up on the mound. I think that he doesn't get rattled or scared whatsoever.
The negative with Crochet, though, is that he just hasn't been taught everything else involved with being a major league pitcher. By that I mean, he doesn't know how to hold runners, doesn't have a pick-off move nor a slide step and doesn't know how to field his position. I haven't read what the plans are for him but he needs a good course given to him in all of the things that I mentioned. I'm not criticizing the kid at all, just stating what is obvious for me.
I just see a guy who could be another Chris Sale but with better mechanics and I hope that they don't waste him in the bull-pen in a miscast role.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/white-sox-outright-brian-goodwin-evan-marshall-jace-fry-free-agents.html
Sox outright :
1) Goodwin
2) Marshall
3) Cordero
4) Fry
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=severi000and&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-
Also added Anderson Severino to 40-man.
40-man roster stands at 34.
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Sox pick up option on Kimbrel, decline option on the great Cesar -
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32566454/chicago-white-sox-pick-16-million-option-reliever-craig-kimbrel
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The #WhiteSox have exercised the $16-million club option on the contract of eight-time All-Star right-handed pitcher Craig Kimbrel for the 2022 season and have declined the $6-million club option on infielder César Hernández for 2022 (no buyout).
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1457037680462729227
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Carlos Rodon doesn’t receive qualifying offer from White Sox
The lefty was a 2021 All-Star, posting a 2.37 ERA.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/11/7/22769032/carlos-rodon-white-sox-no-qualifying-offer
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That move is a head-scratcher.
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White Sox GM Rick Hahn heads to GM meetings looking to improve a good team
“The postseason performance was frustrating. It highlighted certain areas where we need to get better.”
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/11/8/22770148/white-sox-gm-rick-hahn-heads-to-gm-meetings-looking-to-improve-a-good-team
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Liam Hendriks claims second straight second A.L. reliever of year honor
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/11/10/22775472/white-sox-liam-hendriks-claims-second-straight-al-reliever-of-year-honor
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Great Performance by Hendricks. He was one of the most valuable players on this team.
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RF? DH? Sheets training for bigger role in '22
https://www.mlb.com/news/gavin-sheets-preparing-for-2022-white-sox-season
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I would love to see Sheets in RF next year. His old man will make him a good RFer we can count on that.
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I would love to see Sheets in RF next year. His old man will make him a good RFer we can count on that.
That's a good point. He has gotten a lot of good coaching in his life with his dad, Cal Ripken Jr. and Jim Thome. In a way, I can see Thome's impact on how he approaches his at bats. And he is basically the same size as Thome and his swing is similar. They both are just "COUNTRY STRONG" ;D ;D
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This guy?
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I would love to see Sheets in RF next year.
I wouldn't mind giving him a shot, as long as there is a solid back up plan, in case Gavin Sheets himself out there.
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I would love to see Sheets in RF next year.
I wouldn't mind giving him a shot, as long as there is a solid back up plan, in case Gavin Sheets himself out there.
Sub-sophomoric +1
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heh, good one Blackie
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https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
Putting this link here.... payroll tracker.
Sox are currently #4 in baseball, I think before the Graveman signing, at $156M.
One of the most expensive pitching staffs in baseball.
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But, but, Jerry doesn’t ……
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4th?? That is hard to believe.
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https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
Putting this link here.... payroll tracker.
Sox are currently #4 in baseball, I think before the Graveman signing, at $156M.
One of the most expensive pitching staffs in baseball.
Graveman contract (if he does sign with the White Sox) is not included in the current $156+ million 2022 payroll. So that debunks the constant false claim that "Jerry Reinsdorf won't spend money." Will White Sox ownership match the spending of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers or Mets? No, but they don't have the deep revenue sources those teams have either. I'm pretty sure when the 2022 free agency period comes to an end in Feb./March, the White Sox will drop from 4th but still will be a top ten team in payroll this coming season.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox//payroll
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https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/
Putting this link here.... payroll tracker.
Sox are currently #4 in baseball, I think before the Graveman signing, at $156M.
One of the most expensive pitching staffs in baseball.
Graveman contract (if he does sign with the White Sox) is not included in the current $156+ million 2022 payroll. So that debunks the constant false claim that "Jerry Reinsdorf won't spend money." Will White Sox ownership match the spending of the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers or Mets? No, but they don't have the deep revenue sources those teams have either. I'm pretty sure when the 2022 free agency period comes to an end in Feb./March, the White Sox will drop from 4th but still will be a top ten team in payroll this coming season.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox//payroll
No, Andy. One year in a top four salary rank doesn't impress me at all about Reinny. the White Sox failure to have deep revenue sources has a lot to do with their failures to win and build a bigger fan base. The White Sox have been failures on both counts. As for settling for a top ten payroll in baseball, unless the White Sox make a major trade which brings a very good right fielder or second baseman onto their team along with a solid middle to top of the rotation starting pitcher they are not going to do anything more than win a lousy division.
Now then, the White Sox can move a big money contract like Moncada's for a reduction in payroll and then add another asset or two with the money saved and then back fill Moncada with Burger at 3rd. But the options other than moving Moncada are pretty limited without creating another big hole like right field or 2nd base. Your assumption also assumes that Rodon is a goner and that they will not bring another top notch proven pitcher into their team.
Like I said, the time for half measures is done. They need two major moves in the off season and spend more money one way or the other. Otherwise, they are just another pretender for a championship.
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4th?? That is hard to believe.
The disparity between 4th and 3rd and above is huge. Its about time Reinny took some of the money out of his two billion dollar vault and put a team on the field that Chicago deserves. All of this crap that the White Sox don't have the "resources" to put a championship together is a pack of lies that have been sold to the Sox fans ever since Reinny bought the team.
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Today is the last day before the expected MLB freeze on free agent signings. Hope the White Sox at the very least announce the Kendall Graveman signing today. What's the hold up? Can't be a 40-man roster problem as there are five open slots right now.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/white-sox-re-sign-leury-garcia.html
Garcia coming back, presumably (according to the above-linked blog post's author) as a super utility player on a 3-year deal.
I hope it's as a utility player with no premise of being made an everyday starter.
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It's now official:
White Sox ink Graveman to 3-year deal
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/kendall-graveman-white-sox-deal
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/white-sox-sign-kendall-graveman.html
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3 years / $16.5MM guarantee for Garcia ($5.5MM per year).
Talk about an overpay....
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Probably just a bit but that's probably the current market and you know he is well liked and fits in well in the clubhouse. We'll know in mid-March after the free agency frenzy is over if Leury's contract is good, bad or average. IMO, if I have to overpay, I'd rather "overpay"/reward one of your own players for his past performance than overpay a free agent that has done nothing in the past to help your team.
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L. García on deal: 'Sox were my priority'
https://www.mlb.com/news/leury-garcia-white-sox-deal
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A $16 million overpay isn't that big of a risk. A $300 million overpay, on the other hand...
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A $16 million overpay isn't that big of a risk. A $300 million overpay, on the other hand...
The pessimist in me today won't be surprised if Garcia ends up their 2nd baseman this year :o :o :o
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they payed more to slugs like Encanarcion and LaRoche.
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A short term (3 years) $5.5 million a year contract for a 30-year old veteran with 6+ years of service time coming off a 2.1 WAR season is probably more of a "deal" rather than an "overpay". I'm guessing most, if not all, free agents this winter who had a 2+ WAR season in 2021 will end up signing for MORE money than Leury did.
I know he's not my choice for an everyday second baseman but it was sure nice to have him there to fill-in for Anderson when Tim was on the IL.
Now if you want to talk about a bad contract signing look at the Cubs and Marcus Stroman. The consensus is that a tear down and rebuild takes 3 to 4 years even with a deeply talented farm system which the Cubs don't possess. The Cubs are not close to being a playoff contender in 2022 or 2023 unless the Ricketts family open up their check book and spend wildly which they have indicated they have no plans to do. Yet they will pay Stroman $25 million a year that allows him the option to walk away after the second year. You know they want to give their fans some short term hope while they're rebuilding but signing a player to a short term (3 years or less) high dollar contract that will expire before you're considered a serious contender is foolish.
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A short term (3 years) $5.5 million a year contract for a 30-year old veteran with 6+ years of service time coming off a 2.1 WAR season is probably more of a "deal" rather than an "overpay". I'm guessing most, if not all, free agents this winter who had a 2+ WAR season in 2021 will end up signing for MORE money than Leury did.
I know he's not my choice for an everyday second baseman but it was sure nice to have him there to fill-in for Anderson when Tim was on the IL.
Now if you want to talk about a bad contract signing look at the Cubs and Marcus Stroman. The consensus is that a tear down and rebuild takes 3 to 4 years even with a deeply talented farm system which the Cubs don't possess. The Cubs are not close to being a playoff contender in 2022 or 2023 unless the Ricketts family open up their check book and spend wildly which they have indicated they have no plans to do. Yet they will pay Stroman $25 million a year that allows him the option to walk away after the second year. You know they want to give their fans some short term hope while they're rebuilding but signing a player to a short term (3 years or less) high dollar contract that will expire before you're considered a serious contender is foolish.
I've got nothing bad to say about Garcia. He is a fine utility player. What I do have big concerns about is that I wouldn't find i unusual to have Garcia penciled in their everyday line-up once again instead of a good two way player for way too many games for another season. I hope I am wrong. I really do. But with Reinny, I think the odds of them screwing up a real chance to win multiple championships are still pretty good of being penny wise and pound foolish.
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I guess I don't see the value in paying Leury $5.5M instead of putting that money toward a starting 2Bman / RFer / pitcher, and basically backfill Leury with Mendick (better glove in IF).
I like Leury, but I question how he is worth $5.5M per year. Sure, he could get that on the open market, but I feel like the Sox can get more value out Mendick + extra $5.5M budget.
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I guess I don't see the value in paying Leury $5.5M instead of putting that money toward a starting 2Bman / RFer / pitcher, and basically backfill Leury with Mendick (better glove in IF).
I like Leury, but I question how he is worth $5.5M per year. Sure, he could get that on the open market, but I feel like the Sox can get more value out Mendick + extra $5.5M budget.
That's how I feel about it and doubt that many teams would have ponied up that kind of money for a utility infielder. I can tell you this. If the White Sox do not make a couple of major moves this off season and think that shopping at the discount stores like they did last year for talent is going to win them a championship, they are crazy. Don't care how they do. Trades or Free agency or both, they need to do it. They need two very good veteran players and a good defensive catcher. Garcia and Garcia types ain't going to get it.
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I don’t have a problem with the money for Leury. I will still have a problem pronouncing his first name.
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Hah
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Leury deal was a steal
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I think mendick sux. Taylor, another super sub is gonna ger $15m per year. U see what Avi got? Sox have money to spend yet
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Mendick is a surprisingly good defensive player. His bat has always been a question.
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Mendick is a surprisingly good defensive player. His bat has always been a question.
I am surprised that Mendick hasn't done better. I followed him throughout his minor league career and his history was one where he tended to struggle when he went up a level then figured it out and did well. I really thought that he'd do the same at the major league level. He sure can play infield well.
In addition, I think he has turned into a classic case of a smaller player who tries to jack the ball instead of making contact. I think that his bat is too long and heavy for his size. He should shorten things up and try to hit line drives.
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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/a-closer-look-at-luis-roberts-post-injury-breakout/
Breakdown of the adjustments Robert made after his injury that led to his improvements at the plate.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1470516483474219020
https://twitter.com/TonyLaRussa/status/1470513260096942082
https://twitter.com/OzzieGuillen/status/1470503559766720512
https://twitter.com/stevestone/status/1470572691740446729
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1471865418751135745
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I missed this when it was announced two months ago:
Sox return La Russa and coaches, make one change for 2022
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-return-tony-la-russa-coaches-make-change-2022
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https://sports.yahoo.com/white-sox-pitcher-dylan-cease-162030547.html
Cease is now a Scott Boras client.
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/01/gordon-beckham-announces-retirement.html
News: Gordon Beckham was apparently "active" until yesterday.
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1st time I've seen Tanner Banks pitch. He looked real good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jh8yQ7qtZpM
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So the Sox went a very mediocre route for 2B, haven't addressed RF in free agency and still haven't traded Craig Kimbrel. There were so many options for RF that would have been exciting. It is so hard being a fan of this team sometimes.
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Sure appears they plan to play Vaughn and Sheets out there the most. Not great defensively but I could think of worse (Mazara)
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/andrew-vaughn-ready-to-be-white-sox-right-fielder
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I’d be pissed if they did not offer a lot to Az for Marte. I get not blowing ton on a Conforto etc. they must expect must better seasons from Eloy and Vaughn. And if that happens, we’ll be really good offensively
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/white-sox-offered-lucas-giolito-four-year-50mm-extension-prior-to-2021-season.html
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White Sox gonna White Sox...
Glad we're back; hope all is well with y'all.
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You gotta think at this point they think trading Kimbrel at the deadline will bing way more then they can get now. I’m satisfied at 2nd because we improved defensively - Madrigal was not as good with the glove as advertised; and let’s face it, he got hurt every year. The RF options were.not substantial improvements with the glove - so I’m torn. Kinda hoping Engle returns to 2020 form.
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Doing well Blackie, hope you are as well.
I always liked Harrison, I am ok with him at 2B, agree with Love. RF I am ok with Vaughn getting the shot. His bat was good last year but had a bad last month. I think he turns into a hard out this year.
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I just am pretty disappointed in their failure to improve the team over-all. They actually lost ground pitching wise. Losing Rodon is going to hurt and Kuechel is done. They needed to make a trade and make a run for a championship. Instead, it looks like Reinny once again is being cheap. Yeah, I know they are spending more than normal and all that but a whole lot has got to fall into place with guys like Crochet, Kopech, Sheets, Vaughn and Jimenez proving themselves.
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Not sure you guys know this but Budweiser is not coming back which also means goose island and revolution will not be returning. Miller is back the area where goose island was is now Miller lite
More is to be announced this week so I’m not sure what other beers will be there
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WSD! How are ye?
I heard about the beer change. When Blackie opts for "beer water", he prefers Miller/Coors over InBev... so I'm fine with the change Pretty sure it won't affect the Craft Beer Cave nor the Good Beer Spot Down the Left Field Line much (aside from replacing the craft beers owned by InBev). I will miss the Goose Island Sox beer, which is quite good.
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Good, I'm retired now and I have been busy telling people to go kiss my a$$
MolsonCoors has some decent brands and since Miller brews Pabst products there is the possibility for some old school beers. I agree it probably won't effect the craft cave.
The whole sitch seems funny to me from what I heard and my copdar is up because there has to be more to the story.This is real close to opening day (originally the 31st and this story has been around for a few weeks) and there is 1-2 years left in the deal So I guess InBev wanted out because they claim they were not making any money due to poor attendance and poor showing the playoffs last year. This so lame of an excuse if true. It is no secret that attendance is down when the Sox are not doing well. When then the deal was made, the Sox were in rebuild and I am sure they articulated that they were building a really good team so attendance will rise. They can't blame 2020 because nobody was in the stands. And as far as playoffs, they actually made the playoffs and probably will again this year.
One reason I heard, and this is just a rumor, that the Sox want to put up beer tents in the parking lots. I guess InBev maybe butthurt over this. Not sure if they were going to put non InBev brands out there or didn't consult with them. Either way bye bye and your crappy beer.
I heard that Goose Island is pissed because they like the relationship they had with the Sox
Story from Trib
https://www.chicagotribune.com/dining/drink/ct-food-white-sox-beer-guaranteed-rate-miller-lite-returns-tt-0329-20220329-jlx6hw4djjfzzlquy44zd4zqzy-story.html
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Hey Dope, welcome to retirement life. I retired in 2011.
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Hey Dope, welcome to retirement life. I retired in 2011.
lovin it
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A little more detail
https://chicago.eater.com/2022/3/29/23001361/white-sox-molson-coors-miller-lite-official-beer-guaranteed-rate-field-baseball-goose-island
Went to a couple games early last year, was disappointed with beer lines so wondering if that has been cleanup?
The stadium looked a little rough last year too
Was able to take a tour for this year and everything looks good (new painting etc...)
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Sox have yet to post new food options but word is that Rainbow Cone is going to be at the park this year
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I think the long beer early last season were due to a lack of mobile beer vendors and staffing issues.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAZ5D5-lip0
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I hate the Score
Don’t tell how I’m supposed to feel. Continuation of faux rage and being offended bs. I give 0 F’s. I just want the team to win
Blackie I went to opening day last year and that’s what I thought too. Beer venders should be back they have them at in door facilities like United Center
On the tour of park got to see the Jack Daniels bar being worked. On behind 110
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Crochet TJS....
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Crochet TJS....
Sad to hear
Good to see they got Giolito signed
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Being older and comfort being a priority I found this website pretty informative
https://www.shadedseats.com/guaranteed-rate-field-shaded-seats/
We sat in right field on a Sunday day game and it was pretty fricken hot
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Crochet TJS....
Bennett Sousa? I guess it's between him and Severino.
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Being older and comfort being a priority I found this website pretty informative
https://www.shadedseats.com/guaranteed-rate-field-shaded-seats/
We sat in right field on a Sunday day game and it was pretty fricken hot
That's pretty cool (pun intended)
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Morons. Now they look even dumber
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Dang it Lance Lynn now
https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/04/04/white-sox-lance-lynn-knee-injury-miss-four-weeks-slight-tear-opening-day
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Disabled List:
Moncada
Mercedes
Lynn
Kelly
Burr
Crochet
6 guys is a lot to start a season.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/yoan-moncada-starts-2022-season-on-injured-list
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New items at the park this year
The Marketplace at section 154 is pretty convenient if you don't want to wait in line. They have one at the United Center that works well
https://www.soxon35th.com/white-sox-unveil-new-guaranteed-rate-field-food-and-beer-options/
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/white-sox-opening-day-new-food-drink-options-for-2022-season
Proceeds from opening day 50/50 go to Ukraine. Wondering if they will add a Ukraine ethnic night, the CHI as a substantial Ukraine population
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2022/4/5/23011953/chicago-white-sox-food-beer-preview-guaranteed-rate-field-2022-season
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Giolito is hurt, Pollock is hurt... yeesh.
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Is there such a thing as an IL platoon?
I feel like Engel and Pollock are platoon mates
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Herm Schneider still alive? We could sure use him
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33706445/chicago-white-sox-pitcher-lucas-giolito-headed-10-day-il-abdominal-injury
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Giolito & Pollock to IL
Lambert & Severino called up
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I say trading of vaughn for pitching. The pitching is, hopefully temporary. Thus I think the guys need to focus on defense and just score a lot of runs to tread water
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I dunno, I think Vaughn could be something special. The guy can hit.
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I meant to say not trade him pitching
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I didn't know Freddy Mercury was on the White Sox
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Cease?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yyn3KIEsuM
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Supposedly Pollock could be back as early as Friday, Giolito as early as Sunday.
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I figured they were not to upset about the ppds
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I figured they were not to upset about the ppds
to mean excessively use the adverb "too" not the preposition "to."
language police B.S.
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Whoa
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Cueto is at Charlotte and is expected to make a couple of starts, and then should be up with the big club.
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Can we verify Loveland is OK?
1. Embarrassing April loss to a division foe
2. Defense that looks like nine Frank Thomases
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"Defense that looks like nine Frank Thomases"
So those 10 runs aren't all on Keuchel? Working and just checked the box score, saw he gave up 9 without an out in the second (admittedly Anderson started it with an an error). Immediately got pissed with the fact that this stiff is making $18,000,000 this year and they couldn't come up with $22,000,000 for Rodon >:(
Was there some $hitty defense behind him that the modern day scorer credited as hits for the Guardians?
(Won't matter as I'm still pi$$ed we're stuck with him and not Rodon)
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Never mind, just saw all the errors mixed in with the hits
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Yeah.
Keuchel was his normal level of "suck."
The defense pushed it over the edge.
Luckily:
a) the bullpen did well today (including the lefthanded tossing #62... again, for Loveland)
b) the Sox weren't gonna win today unless they shut down Cleveland to 1 or fewer runs thanks to Bieber.... so might as well let it all out there.
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I’m not okay because I love the glove. Defense is a beautiful thing and all people seem to look at is the offensive lines until it matters. What a horrible week.
Qualifying offer for Rodon was only 18 mil was it not?
Bright spot = McGuire
Ignoring Bill Sharp.
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Heh.
(http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/uploads/monthly_2022_04/F4D08525-41D5-4DFB-AB67-597522F30290.jpeg.3d3421f8e1541a0a18a4937b8e67fa6c.jpeg)
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"Qualifying offer for Rodon was only 18 mil was it not?"
Why would you want a guy who is 2-0 with a 1.06 ERA and has 29 strikeouts in 17 innings through three starts????
>:(
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Are we considering Cease the new Pornstache? Nobody has filled that role well since Jose Valentin...
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There will only be one pornstache. Ever. That moniker has been retired.
Cease's mustache is just creepy.
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I think he looks like Freddie Mercury, and I think Blacksox made a mention to that
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Correct
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batting averages -
Abreu .206
Robert .205
Garcia .114
Grandal .173
Engel .188
HARRISON .094
Pollock .182
McGuire .167
could it get any worse?
Sheets .227
Jimenez .222
do we have a batting coach?
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Waiting for JoeyC to post the sinking ship picture...
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That may be too kind.
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so Burr up, Crick down
then to get down to 26 Mendick and Severino sent down
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White Sox: Foster is a high-leverage reliever
Those individuals who watched Matt Foster pitch in 2020 might disagree with his bullpen rise being considered a surprise after he posted a 2.20 ERA over 23 games as a rookie, with 31 strikeouts in 28 2/3 innings. But after a rough sophomore campaign, featuring a 6.00 ERA in 37 games, the right-hander is back with a 0.66 ERA in 13 games. He has incorporated an effective slider and curve into his previous fastball/changeup repertoire, and manager Tony La Russa loves his competitive fire late in games. Foster adds to a late-inning mix already featuring Liam Hendriks, Kendall Graveman, Aaron Bummer and the soon-to-be-arriving Joe Kelly.
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this guy's story is full of holes -
https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/05/11/ex-white-sox-trainer-sues-team-gm-claiming-unlawful-termination-per-report
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33999644/chicago-white-sox-designate-dallas-keuchel-assignement
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If we were going to bench Grandal, or play the catchers at 50/50 - 60/40, why let James McCann go?? They still could have gotten something for Collins.
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they must be counting on the C at Charlotte. Carlos Perez playing next year. He's never been a top prospect, but I like him.
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Sousa has to go. I don't want to see him or his 9.00 era again on this team. It's shocking how bad the pen is.
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Rough weekend for Foster.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQiM5M8T2Mc
Jomboy breakdown of the Lance Lynn - Joe McEwing tiff in the dugout.
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And now Crick to the IL. Who the hell else is left in the Pen?
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Moe, Larry and Curly
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Heh.
When did Sheets get sent down? Somehow I missed that.
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He started off very slow in AAA too after being sent down, been a while now, but he has heated up big time the past 3-4 games.
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Of course we take 2 of 3 from Toronto, but we lose our 3 best defensive players to injury.
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Lenyn Sosa - come on down!
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These injuries are getting out of hand now. Do we have a training staff? Can't ever seem to have the core of the team together at the same time.
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Sheets was sent down two weeks ago, just before they played Texas.
Didn't the Sox fire last year's strength and conditioning coach, who subsequently filed a lawsuit against them? I'll bet he's laughing to himself now.
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boy, do I feel bad for Danny Mendick.
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Agreed.
Here's to hoping for a full recovery.
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This team is toast. 4 runs in three games against the O's? Way too many injuries to overcome. Half the team seems to be on the IL and the half that isn't is playing day to day. Abreu, Anderson and Robert all need extended time off. The bullpen is a shambles (not that it matters if you're only scoring one run a game).
Every time I think they are ready to go on a run they suck it up against $hitty teams.
Not our year.
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And I am officially in the FTN (Fire Tony Now) camp. I know his options are limited but batting a rookie in his third major league game who has yet to get a major league hit at lead off. Really?
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sending Lynn out for the 7th inning was just asking for trouble.
and does Anderson really need all this time off?
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brother -
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34149317/short-handed-chicago-white-sox-understanding-their-legs-important-tell-some-players-slow-running-first-base
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I agree. Oh brother.
What a disaster of a season.
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And I am officially in the FTN (Fire Tony Now) camp. I know his options are limited but batting a rookie in his third major league game who has yet to get a major league hit at lead off. Really?
The sad truth is that TLR isn't getting fired. Maybe they can talk him into walking away this off-season and still pay him; best case scenario.
On the other hand, watching the Sox burn whilst Reinsdorf fiddles can be somewhat entertaining...
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Watching them fiddle is right.
I do not understand what the White Sox have against good defense. In deferring to offensive stats it always ends up that the road runner eludes their grasp. Probably he ends up cuddling up with a hot glove somewhere.
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Sox lost the 1st Angels game because Sheets flubbed a catch in right.
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I think this weekend is critical. They continue their recent success and take 2 of 3 or better yet sweep the Guardians and I will get back on the bandwagon. They lose two of three and I will be looking forward to next year.
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since Lynn came off the IL his velocity has been down, last yr was 93-96 mostly, this yr 90-93 with a resultant loss of life/movement.
Against Cleveland it was the same, but as the game progressed the velocity ticked up.
Lynn is the biggest ? on the staff now.
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I was wrong about Jimmy Lambert. He's turning himself into a valuable member of the bullpen.
I didn't see that happening.
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Radio said last night Sox are 20-23 this year against sub-.500 teams. That's their season right there.
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Should have let Lambert pitch the 9th, 3 walks by Graveman, man oh man
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-sodfather-hernia-20220901-faqipc3vxbbl5mk6k4qr4x7lvy-story.html
Not even our grounds crew is immune to the 2021 - 2022 injury pandemic.
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Can someone tell me why Tanner Banks isn't on the roster?
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Finally a little help from the Twins. Cleveland has really had their number lately, although many of the games have been close late.
Kopech to IL and now Queto feeling under the weather. Sox pitching starting to slip when most needed.
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"Anyone who thinks we can catch Cleveland is crazy"
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So who is Reinsdorf picking for the next manager? Willie Harris or AJ Pierzynski? Or maybe Adam LaRoche's kid?
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So who is Reinsdorf picking for the next manager? Willie Harris or AJ Pierzynski? Or maybe Adam LaRoche's kid?
A true leader.
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Isn't Jim Leyland up next?
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Ugh. I just want new ownership and entire new front office and staff, no ex Sox players either please. No way it happens.
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/marcus-stroman-vouches-willie-harris-next-white-sox-manager
Sure, but I wonder what Bill Melton thinks...
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I found it very fitting that the White Sox, who played a little below and a little above .500 all season, finished at exactly .500. Sums up their year very nicely.
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LOL at ISF post, too funny, I never forgot what Melton told you.
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Are Melton's comments something that can be shared publicly?
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Awful season. I too found it totally appropriate that they finish at .500. Lukewarm from end to end - disgusting. You knew they were absolutely going to lose that last game, and to just fold up in a ball htat way was stupendously horrific.
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At Sox Fest, ISF and others were imbibing with Melton and talking about the next years team. Melton scoffed at Willie Harris talk, someone asked what was wrong with Willie Harris and Melton said "He's Willie Harris"
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I think i remember that. Funny
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I was not there, but I remember laughing hard when ISF put it on the board.
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Melton was more than happy to hang out with us as long as we were buying him Kettle One on the rocks.
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I bet, heh
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I still remember falling off the hi-top stool, hell, I was not even drinking. Then some joker at another table thought I was some dude from the Sun Times or Tribune.
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I think that was the year I made a cameo as well.
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I think that was the year I made a cameo as well.
me too
Still here ghosting this site.
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Hey Juan
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Sox Brass cancels Sox Fest... gee I wonder why? Too funny.
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Pretty blatant .
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(https://imgur.com/HxyYVpK.png)
ANALYZING THE WHITE SOX’S DECISION TO HIRE PEDRO GRIFOL
https://www.soxon35th.com/analyzing-the-white-soxs-decision-to-hire-pedro-grifol/
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Good article, nice analysis.
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Sox put Jose Rodriguez and Bryan Ramos on 40 man roster, now at 38. They did not protect Luis Mieses or Yolbert Sanchez.
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Ugh. I just want new ownership and entire new front office and staff,
We're not getting new ownership until Reinsdorf dies so we are stuck with this disaster. I guess the plan for next year is hope everyone stays healthy and has a good year. Sigh.
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Unfortunately you are correct Rule. I know that, but hate to admit it because I want it to change so badly.
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How have news articles just become a series of tweets?
3 weeks later I am still underwhelmed. Luke warm. Blah. Of course either. Hot or cold is better, this generates no passion from anyone.
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Unfortunately you are correct Rule. I know that, but hate to admit it because I want it to change so badly.
Oh I know, we all do. I really thought this team was headed for some very exciting times coming out of the rebuild and what do we have to show for it? One meaningless playoff win. The Machado fiasco really angered me, not so much because I wanted Machado so badly (because I would have rather had Harper) but because all they kept saying was that once the team was ready they were going to spend the money for that big piece. Never happened. Machado was basically theirs and Reinsdorf still found a way to screw it up.
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Hello all, long time not here.
Right on Rule, and then came the LaRussa hire. This team will never be what it can be while Jerry is still alive. Hope his hiers aren't the same.
MSF, Shoe, Blackie, Hunnie, etc. we all had the chance to tell Jerry what we think of him back in 2003 Soxfest when he came to our table. :)
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This team will never be what it can be while Jerry is still alive. Hope his hiers aren't the same.
I don't think his heirs will keep the team. I have heard that they will sell but only once Jerry dies because of tax purposes.
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Abreu gone, Reinsdorf not willing to spend, nothing in the minors to make a big impact next year. looks the "championship window" has closed.
Wasn't open very long.
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Maybe a sliver of light got thru the window just before we hired LaRussa, but yep, we screwed the pooch with being a contender
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I guess the plan for next year is hope everyone stays healthy and has a good year. Sigh.
Same plan as nearly every other year since... 1981?
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MSF, Shoe, Blackie, Hunnie, etc. we all had the chance to tell Jerry what we think of him back in 2003 Soxfest when he came to our table. :)
Jain, you know we are a classy bunch of folks... we'd never create social unpleasantries when in company of such a fine gentleman as Mr. Reinsdorf (Bill Melton, on the other other hand...)
Nice to see the gang's still here despite the C-F*ck that was the 2022 White Sox.
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Diehards forever.
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🙋🏻♂️
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Melton was more than happy to hang out with us as long as we were buying him Kettle One on the rocks.
Whats this "we" stuff...I got stuck with the bill. I did make Melton throw in 20 though...
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I’m a little hurt…..
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/berniepleskoff/2023/01/17/chicago-white-sox-will-search-for-a-closer-while-liam-hendriks-recovers-from-illness/?sh=e8a5e9f4447c
Any of you experts think Lopez can do it?
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nope
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Yeah, that's what I thought, too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwgjHtoHV1s
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/white-sox-spring-training-workout
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I was just looking at the schedule to start the season and was delighted not to see Twins/Royals/Tigers/Indians/repeat. What a nice smorgasbord of opponents! This is one rule change I can get behind.
The Pitch Clock? Probably okay.
Bigger Bases & Shift Limitations? Bleh - compromises the spirit of the game... but I can deal.
Ghost Runner in Extras? Absolutely icky.
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I am with you Blackie as I despise the unbalanced schedule. Plus if you are going to have a wild card the only way that is remotely fair is a balanced schedule.
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I actually do not mind the ghost runner. If it prevents longer extra inning games then that is good for all the bullpen pitchers who get over-worked as it is.
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While I'd like to see Colas makes the opening day roster, I'm guessing the Sox will play the Service Time Game. Whoever they keep in lieu of Colas, I'm going to refer to as "The Un-Colas".
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I thought the rules were changed so you can’t do that anymore. It’s the Kris Bryant rule - heh
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I actually do not mind the ghost runner.
I really don't mind it either but a better compromise, I think, would maybe be if they started it in say the 12th inning. Gives teams 2 chances to win the normal way first. If they can't then let's speed it along.
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Putting a ghost runner on in a 0-0 or 1-1 tie is sickening.
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Happy Opening Day! May this season suck less than the last.
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1-0, stop the season
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Split opening 4 games series with Astros, get 4 decent starts from the rotation, I am happy with the start thus far. We seemed to hit better than I expected. Should have gone 3-1 but the bullpen is shaky. Reynaldo with 2 "poor" appearances so far, not good if he is the closer.
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Wow... other than Cease (and maybe Clevenger, we'll see), our pitching suck-diddily-ucks
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Yep, I was fooled
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New Sox are just like the old Sox. Perhaps it wasn’t TLR -although his lineups drove me batty
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Season not very enjoyable thus far. I know we are playing good teams (and mostly on the road) but have to at least be .500 against them.
I have losing 1-0, 3-1. Amd especially losing in xtras onan error after c tying it in the 9th. Lose any mo you might have had from that
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third week of the season and Eloy and Yoan already on IR. Eloy off now, but for how long. I mean, those 2 dudes are made of glass.
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New Sox are just like the old Sox. Perhaps it wasn’t TLR -although his lineups drove me batty
Season not very enjoyable thus far. I know we are playing good teams but...
Third week of the season and Eloy and Yoan already on IR.
As the man once said, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss".
Oh well. Maybe we get another 1983 :D
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This crappy team could be buried by May 1st. This rebuild was a massive failure.
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I am starting to worry we are really bad and could lose 100 games
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If they can't be good, might as well crash and burn... at least there is some entertainment value in that. Mediocre is boring and frustrating.
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Heh, hard to argue with that
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When this 10 game Rays-Jays-Rays set started I thought "Geez, they could go 0 -10 in this stretch"
Starting to think I might have been right.
Hard to win when you have 6 starters hitting below .226, including 3 less than .200, and starting pitchers that can't keep the other guys off the board.
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How long are they going to let this go on?
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Until JR dies.
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Joseph is correct unfortunately. We need new ownership and redo the entire front office and staff
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This organization is a complete embarrassment. We're supposed to be in our "world series" window of contention and instead they're more likely to be one of the top 5 worst teams in baseball. The core is just not good and there's no help in the minors. There will be a firesale soon but it's not like any trades that are made will be actually bring back anyone of value. I don't know what we did to deserve this fate in the baseball world but it's really not fair.
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Never would have guessed that out of all my teams, Illini football would be the best of the bunch. At least the Bears have some promise (maybe)... but the Sox and Blackhawks are deep in the shitter.
If the Sox' free fall continues, it will be interesting to see if Jerry and Kenny do anything. (Who am I kidding; they won't.)
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Total free fall.
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Gonna be this way until we get new ownership, sinking ship
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I know they still suck but must admit I was rather surprised when I turned the radio off in the ninth with the Sox down 9-5 and later saw that they had won. Don't remember the last time a Sox team scored 7 runs in the ninth inning
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I know they still suck, but three in a row, that's a "winning streak". And I was surprised when I checked in on Tuesday night, saw they were going into extra innings and then later that they had won. The Sox never win in extra innings.
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The still suck. Load the bases with one out in extras and can't get a run in? No killer instinct. Peralta and Colome not the answer; their playing shows how thin the farms are.
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The real problem with this team is that they have been so bad, no one has any value.
Benintendi might be the best trade nugget we have...
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This is a horrid team.
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No hiding it
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No 2023 Today’s Game thread. If there was here is my post.
WHY???!!?
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Hi guys! How 'bout them 2023 White Sox?
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I am on hold, waiting for new ownership, new front office etc...
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Hope all youz guys still check in every now and then. Nothing to discuss team-wise (a total sh*t show, but whatchagonna do?).
What shall we talk about?
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We need rain up here. I suppose when go to Canada in 6 weeks it is going to be hot up there like last year. We have called around to some folks in Thunder Bay and supposedly the lumber road is in good shape and no fire problems like out East or out West. But if hot, fishing can be tougher, walleyes go deeper. Also, if real dry there will be a fire ban. No camp fire means once dusk hits run for the tents, because the mosquitos will be worse even though we are on an island.
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MSF, was in Canada the last week of May, my first trip back since May 2019. It was dry then as well but not too hot. Fishing was great, lots of Lakers (they were still on top as the ice was just off and water still cold) and Walleyes, as well as the usual collection of small mouths and northern. I go to the Kenora area where I have the good fortune to have a buddy I've known since first grade who owns a cabin there, so plenty of respite when the bugs come out and a propane fueled fridge to keep the beer cold. Other than that it's pretty spartan; no TV, no cell phones, etc.. His grandfather built the original family cabin in 1951 so he's been going since he was a kid in the late 50's and I started to join him annually in 1974. He bought his own place in the late 80's; it's on about a one-acre island that is a couple 100 yards off shore which help keep the bugs down some. There's a huge white pine with a bald eagle nest on his island that has had eagles in residence since he bought it.
All in all pretty cool and relaxing even when the fishing is off, although by about day five I'm ready for a return to civilization
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a propane fueled fridge to keep the beer cold
Pretty sure that's the most important thing!
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Good stuff Pete. My buddy makes huge blocked ice using boxes. We have a huge homemade cooler that fits in back of one of the pickup trucks. Have ice for the week easily. When we get low on the island, the boat that brings keepers to landing to put on ice will break some chunks off the bigger chunks in the big cooler and fill up a couple nice size coolers. Bring that back to island and we have plenty of ice for beer cooler and cold foods cooler (milk, butter, lunchmeat, cheese etc...).
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Yup ;D
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I've finally given up hope. If you can't beat the Oakland's and St Louis's you ain't going anywhere, esp when you are 15 under. The shame of it is that the starting pitching has been pretty good but invariably between the no hit offence and the porous bull pen (where one arm a night decides to have a bad evening) they have lost allot of close games.
But it is what it is. So I assume they will be sellers later this month. Who is going to get moved?
Giolito - unrestricted FA at the end of the season; doubt he will resign with the Sox who won't pay him what he's worth and prolly wants to go to a winner anyway?
Lynn - has $18,000,000 club option for 2024. Not what he used to be but still has flashes of greatness?
Grandal - UFA at season end but who would want him? Would prolly be a salary dump anyway so not much coming back for him?
Andrus - ?
Lopez - UFA at the end of the season?
Kelly - club option in 2024. Can be great when healthy but never is?
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where one arm a night decides to have a bad evening
Today it was Graveman's turn. Blew the save after the offence had managed to score three unearned runs
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Team has 20 blown saves on the season.
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I would like to return this rebuild. Where do I pick up my refunded sanity?
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So….
My daughter asked me today when we were going to get tickets for the Sox games when they are in Denver. I said “Oh yeah. I forgot”
This seemed like the appropriate thread to put this post.
Loveland is very unconcerned about scoring tickets. The white Sox at the Rockies. Hmmmmm…. At least the Rox have already started trading.
Pete Ward do you have any tickets you want to unload?
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No; I was unaware they were even coming to Denver until last week and am pleased with myself that my ignorance kept me from wasting any money on them.
I protested last year when they came and refused to go because that team pi$$ed me off so much and this year's team pi$$es me off even more.
Kind of a fair weather fan in that sense
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Giolito and Lopez moved.
Who's next?
Sox get some top 100 catching prospect. PeteWard did not like this comment in the review of him: "Quero is a below-average defender"
PeteWard wants an Officer Ron Karkovice for the next Sox catcher. Tired of opponents running at will. Cubs with at least 9 stolen bases in the last two games against Grandal and "at least I'm hitting .158" Zavala
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We will see Sebby in 3034. Or is it Seby <shrugs>
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At least it sounds like the catcher we got from Houston has a plus arm
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Some folks giving us good remarks for our returns in those trades. Despite being happy we unloaded who we did I am not pleased with our returns. Especially the pitchers, all around 25 years old already.
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I'm Dr. Ward. Want a catcher with defense.
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I would not say I am happy to see Burgrt go, but he didn’t have a glove. I am a pitching and defense girl.
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I also liked Burger. Honestly, if Eloy can stay healthy just DHing (I know, I know) he will be the better overall hitter between the two. But DH only, no OF for Eloy or Sheets. Sheets can play some 1B with Vaughn and some DH.
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All that rebuilding for one lousy playoff win and now these same dopes are in charge of another rebuild? What a complete failure by this organization.
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It really is a shame that they get to do it again isn't it. A new owner and an entire new front office will have to do it again in near future hopefully.
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Sox have lost 18 of 24, les Royales have won six in a row. This keeps up they could end up with the #2 pick in the 2024 draft. Of course, they'll likely choose a clone of Carson Fulmer
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What's the over/under on whether this team can set the all-time record for futility for a Sox team. I think the 1970 White Sox hold that distinction at 54-108. The current yo-yo's would have to finish 10-32 to achieve that goal. The only thing holding them back is that they have 16 games left against The Rockies, Royals, A's and Nats.
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My bad, turns out the 1970 Sox were 56-106. While that level of futility is certainly within the capability of the current club, the worst Sox team ever was the 1932 team that went 49-102-1
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Hey Pete Ward, heading up to Ontario tonight for week of camping/fishing. Looks like rain every day at this moment at the lake, which could mean good walleye fishing but also means being miserably wet all week. Good thing I invested in real good raingear about 10 years ago.
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How was the fishing?
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Best week in 35 years. For the entire group, more big walleye in one week than ever. I had personal best of 25 going into this year. Now I have a 28 1/2, 27 1/2 and a 26 to beat it. A lot of rain, but maybe that helped. I do not fish Northern Pike much but some guys do. 4 over 40 inches caught. Walleye pot winner had a 30 1/2 and same guy had largest Pike at 42 1/2
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WOW! Sounds like a good time.
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It really was. Only damper on the week was it rained 4 out of the 5 days fishing, and on morning we were tearing down camp. Nothing worse than putting up wet tents and anything not in totes or bagged. Got old, but maybe it helped fishing. Overcast, not too hot (70s), nice breeze to make a good walleye chop. Pretty ideal and left my jigs in tackle box and we used trolling motors and fished with bottom bouncers with a crawler harness and either a blue or red spinner.
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Who will take Kenny’s job? I think they hire VP then that person hires GM. Money on Kim Ng
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Color me shocked. A very Un-Reinsdorfian move on several levels.
Hopefully he continues his Un-Reinsdorfian ways and goes outside the organization to hire a President who is very smart and has complete control to build a new culture.
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👍
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It's a shame he didn't go further and fire himself as owner. I blame Williams and Hahn for shitty draft picks and not building a minor league system that actually develops players. But when your team is a right fielder and second baseman away from really contending you go into the free agent market and fill those needs. That requires $$ and the lack of that effort is on Reinsdorf. Not to mention the Larussa debacle.
I assume this is the end for Grifols as well? New GM's gonna want his own person in there.
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If they slot Chris Getz in there and keep Griffol!!!
I literally am at a loss for words and cannot believe what I am reading. The scary thing is that floating things out via Bob Nightengale has become the way of the Sox. So disheartening.
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If they hire Getz…. The only thing Getz could do to sell himself to the fanbase is to resign.
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"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
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...but less qualified.
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"Sox lose on a walk-off balk".
F*ucking hilarious!
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Well, that was fun.
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It’s just a shame Jheter wasn’t here to see this.
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Worst team since 1976, mbut that team was fun.
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Sox stink, Bears stink, Illini football stinks, expect the Bulls and Hawks to stink. Only recent sports highlight for me was the Cubs end of the season collapse to miss out on the playoffs, and that did not generate the schadenfreude it would have before they won the World Series.
Why did I ever become a Chicago sports fan?
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Not sure I've ever been less interested in the Sox as I am right now.
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Based on the posting here that seems to be the consensus. It took me quite awhile to find the link.
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Yes, it's hard to get excited when they are starting another rebuild, esp when the last was such a bust. Garfien and the other guy on the SoxTalk podcast were talking about how they need to move a few other guys beyond Anderson just to clean up the clubhouse.
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For me it is a matter of Reinsdorf, he sells and I am excited, otherwise meh.
Shoeless and I had a chat on Illini board we peruse. I would not mind the Sox moving to Nashville, to have a city of our own. I realize it likely never happens but if it did I would be excited again. I guess as an out of stater fan it would not bother me. Would think we could start an entire new pack of fans in Tennessee, even if they are hicks, and some new ownership could do a rebuild the correct way. No way I have faith in this crew doing another rebuild. We need Larry Himes for that!!!
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We should start a kickstarter to get Mike Veeck to buy the team.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/1/17/24042048/white-sox-new-stadium-78-site-south-loop-related-midwest-reinsdorf
Well well well. Hopefully this is true and they actually get it right this time by doing the obvious sh*t any idiot could have told them to do 35 years ago: (a) Orient the outfield towards the Chicago skyline, (b) Build a party neighborhood around it, (c) Don't make the thing fricking blue because some jerk told you to do so.
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https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/1/17/24042048/white-sox-new-stadium-78-site-south-loop-related-midwest-reinsdorf
Well well well. Hopefully this is true and they actually get it right this time by doing the obvious sh*t any idiot could have told them to do 35 years ago: (a) Orient the outfield towards the Chicago skyline, (b) Build a party neighborhood around it, (c) Don't make the thing fricking blue because some jerk told you to do so.
I really hope this happens.
Also add (d) upgrade public transit. Drop a Rock Island station there, and beef up the transit across to Soldier Field (assuming the Bears stay). Cash in on the Bears crowd on Sundays and alleviate parking needs.
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...so... do we think this will happen?
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Word around the campfire is there have been "serious" discussions, so.... maybe?
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I really hope this new ballpark happens. The renderings look amazing. I'm just so used to not having good things happen for the Sox that I'll be skeptical until the first game is played there. C'mon Jerry, don't screw this up. Give us one good thing to look forward to.
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The renderings even come with a basic mistake (misspelling "Chicago"), so you know the Sox must be involved.
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Hello everybody, i am new here
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Welcome! Not much going on because there's not much to talk about. Heck, I don't know who half the guys on the roster are... bunch of random schmoes.
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"Random Schmoes" - including guys at the end of their careers looking to get one more year (was surprised to see Moustakas in a Sox uni)
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Welcome
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I do hope it happens also. Plus I hope for the new guys sak3 we have plenty to talk about.
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Happy Opening Day!
(I think)
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Happy Opening Day! I was looking at the roster and there's like 12 guys who I have no idea who they are.
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While I wish they didn't push Benetti out the door, the new guy seems pretty decent.
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I don’t miss Benetti but I still do miss Hawk. I do like the enthusiasm of the new guy. One definite positive thing coming with the change is “Sox Math” is gone. 🤞🤞
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I don’t miss Benettii either.
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110 losses is a possibility.
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"110 losses is a possibility."
Starting to think you meant "probable"
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Yeah, now I'm thinking that 120 is a possibility.
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I think this team is worse than the 1970 Sox
Pete Ward, yes, I believe those 3 used roids. All the symptoms are there.
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I think this team is worse than the 1970 Sox
Could challenge the 2003 Tigers, honestly.
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I agree. Not sure I have seen a worse major league starting lineup.
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I can't remember how to embed vids, but here's my thoughts...
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/005bfe54-c8ff-4df9-b51d-a417e6293bee
DeJong is our slugger! :D :D :D :D :D