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Title: 2017 + 2018 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 10, 2011, 04:00:16 pm
The place to critique the workings of Jerry, Kenny, Rick Hahn,Ozzie, Robin,
Brooks Boyer, Buddy Bell, Doug Laumann, Scott Reifert, Herm Schneider, Roger Bossard, etc.
Title: 2011 White Sox
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 10, 2011, 04:33:26 pm
discuss this year's White Sox team here.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: joeconners on April 13, 2011, 04:34:59 pm
If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?

Do a Smoltzy thing with him?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Fury on April 13, 2011, 11:34:06 pm
If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?

Do a Smoltzy thing with him?

That may not be a bad idea....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: dazed63 on April 14, 2011, 09:22:38 am
i'm in for that :D
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: msf on April 14, 2011, 09:39:26 am
If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?

Do a Smoltzy thing with him?

It would just be nice to have Humber be available for the pen. Why the hell did we even send Milledge down for a pitcher, we have not even used him yet. Sometimes I wonder about this club.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: aka Loveland on April 14, 2011, 12:32:53 pm
They just didn't like havinng 11 pitchers MSF....
Title: Re: Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on April 14, 2011, 07:02:33 pm
What about boy wonder Rick Hahn?
Title: Re: Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 14, 2011, 07:58:36 pm
What about boy wonder Rick Hahn?

Never hear of him anymore. Pretty sure he is still around too.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: ISF on April 15, 2011, 11:14:41 am
What's Matt Thornton's problem?

<Bill Melton>

He's Matt Thornton!

</Bill>

http://www.beerleaguer.com/whitesox/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-matt-thornton.html
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Shoeless on April 15, 2011, 01:28:52 pm
If Humber does okay as a 5th starter, can we just make Peavy our closer for the year?

Do a Smoltzy thing with him?

It would just be nice to have Humber be available for the pen. Why the hell did we even send Milledge down for a pitcher, we have not even used him yet. Sometimes I wonder about this club.

Our pen has done so well, we haven't need him
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: boatdrink on April 15, 2011, 01:41:09 pm
What's Matt Thornton's problem?

<Bill Melton>

He's Matt Thornton!

</Bill>

http://www.beerleaguer.com/whitesox/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-matt-thornton.html

Ahhhh... that never gets old.  Now go buy Bill his 6th Kettle One.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 16, 2011, 01:13:43 am
Hey Ozzie, what do you think of your team so far this season?



(http://tedwilliamshead.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/102_ozzie_choke_bdd.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 16, 2011, 07:49:25 am
"If we play like we did today, we are going to win a lot of games," said White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, who was noticeably more upbeat in comparison to his last postgame press conference Wednesday. "We battled pretty good today. I like the way they show up."

<Monotone Moran voice on>Yaaaayyy<off>

This sounds more like something you might hear out of a team that would be thrilled to finish the season over .500. I know it's just a quote and what he's saying this early in the year, but, 14 errors into this season. . . .yaaaayyyy.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Fury on April 16, 2011, 04:29:35 pm
"If we play like we did today, we are going to win a lot of games," said White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, who was noticeably more upbeat in comparison to his last postgame press conference Wednesday. "We battled pretty good today. I like the way they show up."

<Monotone Moran voice on>Yaaaayyy<off>

This sounds more like something you might hear out of a team that would be thrilled to finish the season over .500. I know it's just a quote and what he's saying this early in the year, but, 14 errors into this season. . . .yaaaayyyy.

I agree.  They're mighty mediocre right now.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: WshflThinking on April 17, 2011, 05:10:14 pm
They are trying to catch the Twins for last place
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 19, 2011, 02:20:33 am
Doesn't sound like Phil Humber has to worry about losing his place in the rotation for quite awhile:  :(

Peavy leaves rehab start with discomfort
Right-hander throws just 15 pitches before exiting

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: joeconners on April 19, 2011, 04:25:19 am
Doesn't sound like Phil Humber has to worry about losing his place in the rotation for quite awhile:  :(

Peavy leaves rehab start with discomfort
Right-hander throws just 15 pitches before exiting

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0419-white-sox-peavy--20110418,0,7856098.story)

Smoltzify him.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: dazed63 on April 19, 2011, 10:56:06 am
Jake Peavy = Mark Prior
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: msf on April 19, 2011, 10:57:49 am
yep, most likely he is toast, guessing by the time he gets healthy, if ever, he will be in another org.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: SoxRule on April 19, 2011, 12:07:05 pm
I can't fault Kenny for the Peavy trade because no one knew he'd be this injury prone, but damn, San Diego won that trade in landslide!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Shoeless on April 19, 2011, 12:43:36 pm
I'd say the jury is still out on the Peavy deal. Richard is going to end up a very average pitcher it appears.   I do think we'll regret the Hudson trade and the Swisher debacle will haunt KW for a long time
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2011, 01:07:52 pm
I think the jury is still out too. However I am not sold Peavey will ever regain his Cy Young form he had with the Padres.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: WshflThinking on April 19, 2011, 01:11:48 pm
Whats with Danks's weight gain? He appears to have gained about 20-30 lbs. His face is noticibly fuller too
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 20, 2011, 09:45:38 am
Headline from whitesox.com on my igoogle:

Danks, hitters tip caps to Rays' Shields

First sighting of the classic paying of obeisance we all know and love? Know it's not the last.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2011, 09:49:37 am
I take it that we are continuing our drive to the basement of the AL Central.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Method on April 20, 2011, 03:17:43 pm

Since returning from an April 6 appendectomy that forced him to miss six games, Dunn is 2-for-23 (.087) with 14 strikeouts in six games. He has struck out three times in each of his last two games played.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 20, 2011, 03:22:12 pm
Maybe they should try to put it back in.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Method on April 20, 2011, 03:25:58 pm
That deserves some Karma points...

I wish they had that feature here.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: aka Loveland on April 20, 2011, 04:18:26 pm
Heh.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2011, 12:37:21 am
That deserves some Karma points...

I wish they had that feature here.

They do but I shut it off.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Method on April 21, 2011, 01:27:18 am
That deserves some Karma points...

I wish they had that feature here.

They do but I shut it off.


BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Fury on April 21, 2011, 09:09:38 am
That deserves some Karma points...

I wish they had that feature here.

They do but I shut it off.
Damn, you took away my fun of smiting Jeter.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 21, 2011, 10:15:36 am
Pretty sure this was done because it was becoming clear that BlackSox would wantonly abuse this feature.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: 4nek8 on April 21, 2011, 11:57:34 am
Is there anything that BlackSox doesn't wantonly abuse?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Shoeless on April 21, 2011, 02:29:37 pm
54-36
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: dazed63 on April 21, 2011, 02:37:54 pm
NO, Ozzie will have him bunt his way out.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: Shoeless on April 21, 2011, 02:40:01 pm
?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 22, 2011, 04:40:30 pm
The 2011 White Sox and Sox Management topics have been merged.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 22, 2011, 04:42:33 pm
Good idea.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on April 25, 2011, 09:39:48 am
The Rios deal is an albatross right now.  He's probably the worst player on the team. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 25, 2011, 12:04:32 pm
The Rios deal is an albatross right now.  He's probably the worst player on the team.

I have a few other candidates in mind
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 25, 2011, 12:11:03 pm
Gotta agree with Shoeless...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 25, 2011, 01:22:59 pm
I'm wondering if we can't package Teahen, Lillibridge, Rios, Thornton and maybe one or two more for five or six lower-level, highly regarded prospects in some other org.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 25, 2011, 01:47:58 pm
not unless we're willing to throw in 60-70 million.

I'm hoping Gardner keeps failing in Nyy. they might take Rios off our hands... we've had a certain lvl of success dumping contracts on the yanks.

If we're out of it, i'd LOVE to see us trade MB or Jackson to NYY for Montero. shoot they can have both for Montero/Nova/Betances/noesi.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 25, 2011, 02:06:01 pm
I'd be interested in taking a look at the Red Sox forums about a dozen or so games into the season. I'm sure they'd be just as wussed-out and whiny and resigned as this one. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 25, 2011, 02:31:46 pm
I'd be interested in taking a look at the Red Sox forums about a dozen or so games into the season. I'm sure they'd be just as wussed-out and whiny and resigned as this one.

No, no, we're more wussed-out and whiny than anyone.  We're the best at that, dammit.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 25, 2011, 03:29:58 pm
I'd be interested in taking a look at the Red Sox forums about a dozen or so games into the season. I'm sure they'd be just as wussed-out and whiny and resigned as this one.

Do it Jeter and then come back and report back to us and let us know how we compare.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 25, 2011, 03:35:16 pm
Hmm, is Sons of Sam Horn considered a good one for that? That's the one I always hear about. It's probably the WSI equivalent.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 25, 2011, 03:43:19 pm
Did they fire a coach yet?  You know, to "spark the team".
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 25, 2011, 04:09:32 pm
JJ

With the recent style change to a vegas gold & black scheme, are you going to stick with the orange effect avatar?

We'll have to get a ruling from our fashion police if the orange effect clashes with the new setup.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on April 25, 2011, 05:02:25 pm
So is this where I say that Greg Walker doesn't seem to be pulling his weight?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 25, 2011, 05:04:31 pm
Hes another one that will get never get canned. should have been gone a couple years ago.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on April 25, 2011, 05:22:13 pm
But Quentin and Paulie are hitting pretty well.  So you have to fire Walker from working with all the players who are not--it's clearly his fault that Rios and Beckham and Morel suck--but don't fire him from working with Quentin and Paulie.   In fact, you have to give him a raise for his Quentin work this year.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 25, 2011, 06:07:52 pm
But Quentin and Paulie are hitting pretty well.  So you have to fire Walker from working with all the players who are not--it's clearly his fault that Rios and Beckham and Morel suck--but don't fire him from working with Quentin and Paulie.   In fact, you have to give him a raise for his Quentin work this year.
I hear what you are saying, but I cannot credit Walker for Quentin or Kong, they are just pure professional hitters. Not sure they would even need a hittingl coach. I was thinking about saying exactly what Joseph brought up, but not sure it would help the team. We need to do something to break up this status quo however.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 25, 2011, 06:56:50 pm
I agree with MSF on that one... whats walker done to develop guys or help out young bats?

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 26, 2011, 09:30:41 am
Quote
I hear what you are saying, but I cannot credit Walker for Quentin or Kong, they are just pure professional hitters. Not sure they would even need a hittingl coach.


I thought I read a quote from Paulie once before where he credited Walker for helping him get out of one of his slumps. And Quentin obviously needed some help too.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 26, 2011, 04:52:08 pm
Maybe Coop should try using this with the bullpen staff:

(http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=d30bab556176b257b9a81609117dca85&w=450.0)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on April 26, 2011, 06:11:43 pm
I just don't think any hitting coach does all that much.  It's not like an offensive coordinator in football. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 27, 2011, 02:12:40 pm
Sergio Santos – It’s now back to back saves but this last 2 out save should go to Brent Lillibridge who made two outstanding plays in RF.  Lillibridge fields like he’s nailing Sergio Santos’ sister.  Juan Pierre fields like Thornton is nailing Juan’s sister.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 28, 2011, 01:44:56 pm
For reference:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ah4PW47PiAi-dGduSVZZY0J2OUtCV0s2ZUdLVkpMQmc&output=html


[Edited:  Thanks BlackSox. Your link has been added to the sticky 'Quick Reference Links' topic.]
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Joshpr on April 28, 2011, 02:40:13 pm
Is Ozzie feeling the heat?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/04/guillen-discusses-future-in-chicago.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 28, 2011, 02:48:18 pm
OK, after examining it and thinking about it, I have to ask: BlackSox, what is avatar? I'm thinking that guy is in an army uniform but can't be sure.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 28, 2011, 03:50:45 pm
almost looks like the sidekick in Good Morning Vietnam
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 28, 2011, 04:36:11 pm
OK, after examining it and thinking about it, I have to ask: BlackSox, what is avatar? I'm thinking that guy is in an army uniform but can't be sure.


"You just made the list, buddy"
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 28, 2011, 04:41:47 pm
Gah, I THOUGHT it might be Stripes. I should have guessed it here. Even did a search > black guy stripes movie - and got some interesting results, but not what I was looking for.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 01, 2011, 07:27:43 pm
"We're all in", says management.  But what are they in?

  -  The Shytter

  -  Debt

  -  Over their heads

  -  Trouble

  -  Losertown
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 01, 2011, 09:55:45 pm
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/create-a-forum/surgeon-general-warning2-1.gif)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on May 02, 2011, 06:47:46 am
Yes it is and the Surgeon General didnt have to warn me.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 02, 2011, 08:55:10 am
Accidentally caught part of the postgame for a recent game, and the guy who's not Bill Melton said something like "when you're going extremely well, you're never that good, and when you're going bad, you're never that bad either", point being that the Sox are a better team than what we've been seeing.

The thing about that is, even "better than they are currently" might only get them to a less severe level of suck. Is "better" .500? Meh. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 02, 2011, 10:02:10 am
I'd say the Sox are historically bad, so might as well enjoy it.  "Histerically" bad?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 02, 2011, 10:19:48 am
This is why I hate when this team actually has high expectations. It seems that's when we're let down the most. Remember the "It's Time" campaign? Didn't they have all those public signs removed because the team was so bad to start that year that that slogan was embarrassing?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 02, 2011, 11:50:58 am
Shouldn't the title of this thread be Sox Mis-management?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on May 02, 2011, 12:08:53 pm
Send Morel down, yes. 

But maybe not stop there -- send Beckham down too, let him get his swing and confidence back.  How is Lillibridge at 2B?  I seem to recall that IF is his original position -- maybe plug him in at 2B and put Vizquel at 3B and, dare I say, let Teahen spell him on occasion.  At least shore up the defense so that the starting pitching, which hasn't been all that bad, might win them a few 2-1, 3-2 squeakers until the offense wakes up (and the offense WILL wake up -- hopefully before the Sox have buried themselves further in the standings).

Regardless, some kind of shake-up is in order here....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 02, 2011, 12:27:29 pm
When I look at Brent Morel, I think "Joe Borchard".  Someone explain this phenomenon. Actually, don't.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 02, 2011, 12:53:47 pm
Heh:

Sox management shoved “All In,’’ apparently with 7-deuce off suit


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-white-sox-season-is-over-so-kenny-williams-had-better-start-trading-20110502,0,1941110.column
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on May 02, 2011, 01:08:04 pm
7-deuce off suit

I had to look that up to find out what it meant. 

Texas Hold'Em sucks, by the way.  What a sh1ttay card game....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on May 02, 2011, 01:51:24 pm
waive Pierre, waive Pena. 
Send Beckham down and let Omar/Lilli lead off and play 2nd.  Consider that a temporary move: with more plate appearances, those two and Castro will come back to the mean. 
EDIT:  let Castro play a lot more.  Let AJ sit and stew.
I'd keep Morel up for now: he should get a chance to battle back at the plate.  But I'd keep looking for available 3rd basemen.   
Bring up Viciedo and let him and Teahen and Lilli share time in left.  Keep looking for a decent bat to bring in to play left.

The injuns' schedule has actually been very favorable:  they beat up on Mariners, Royals, bad Red Sox, Orioles but were pretty average against White Sox, Angels.  Now they face Red Sox, Reds, Angels and A's on the road, Tampa.  If the Sox get to about 24-30 by end of May, the Indians should be closer to 30-24.   If that doesn't happen, fire Greg Walker.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 02, 2011, 02:01:16 pm
7-deuce offsuit

Blacksox was excellent in that band. Townes Van Zandt tribute if I recall. They were going places. But then this dude (http://www.myspace.com/sevendeuceoffsuit) threatened a lawsuit even those he's some guy in a basement somewhere, and they wimped out.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on May 02, 2011, 07:56:30 pm
What nickname best suits Adam Dunn at the moment?

Nora
Gertrude
Holly
Emma

Gertrude is the obvious choice, but my vote is for Emma.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 02, 2011, 08:46:53 pm
I was thinking "Get the F*ck out and then you're", but that only makes sense if one is familiar with the last track on "The Chronic".

"Nora"?   Oooh, that's low.   Horrible SNL cast member.

-----

Jeter -- nice find... is that for real?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 02, 2011, 08:48:47 pm
I guess that is for real.   Think I like "Beat #2" the best.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2011, 12:07:56 am
Shouldn't the title of this thread be Sox Mis-management?

A guy I worked with many, many years ago coined the phrase manglement when referring to the management of a under-performing company.

So we'll use his term in the topic's title until this team's record approaches within a few games of .500.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on May 03, 2011, 09:21:38 am
Phil Humber  - The third overall pick in the 2004 draft, Humber had not come close to putting it together in the majors until last year. Now a starter for the first time in his MLB career, Humber is pitching for his fifth organization in as many years. So far, the results have been tremendous. He has a 3.06 ERA through five starts with a 21K/8BB ratio. Opponents have been unlucky against Humber on balls in play, and only 5% of their fly balls have left the yard, so that 3.06 ERA may climb closer to 4.00. Still, Humber looks like one of the shrewdest waiver claims of the winter.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 03, 2011, 09:49:21 am
We still seem poised to reach 100 L's
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on May 03, 2011, 02:37:14 pm
quote author=WshflThinking link=topic=7.msg1216#msg1216 date=1304434161]
We still seem poised to reach 100 L's
[/quote]

Nope.   This is still a 90-win club.  There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on May 03, 2011, 02:37:57 pm
We still seem poised to reach 100 L's

Nope.   This is still a 90-win club.  There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 03, 2011, 03:03:41 pm
We still seem poised to reach 100 L's

Nope.   This is still a 90-win club.  There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break...

This wont be a 90 win team playing this brand of baseball
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 03, 2011, 05:31:47 pm
Which "brand" is it?   Old Milwaukee?   Bud Light?  Miller Chill?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 03, 2011, 06:34:37 pm
This is still a 90-win club.  There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break

You tell 'em, chief.  I've already called shotgun, so the rest of you squeeze into the back.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 03, 2011, 07:25:04 pm
4n, since you called shotgun, your job as co-pilot is to run the tunes  and spot the cops.  We're all counting on you.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2011, 06:11:55 am
This is still a 90-win club.  There will be no room for you loosers on the bandwagon come the AS break

You tell 'em, chief.  I've already called shotgun, so the rest of you squeeze into the back.

This team has a better chance at 100 losses than it does 90 wins
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 04, 2011, 10:26:52 am
Cowley piles on:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/5171180-452/sox-fans-can-brace-for-a-wreck.html

Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on May 04, 2011, 11:01:54 am
one of his better pieces.  sans the arrogance
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2011, 11:24:30 am
Cowley piles on:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/5171180-452/sox-fans-can-brace-for-a-wreck.html

Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung.

You have a problem with Cowley's correctness?

He made it seem like it couldn’t get any lower.

On Tuesday night, it did. Lower by about 6 feet after Minnesota Twins pitcher Francisco Liriano — he of the 9.13 ERA heading into the series against the Sox — no-hit the hapless South Siders in their own backyard 1-0. A hammer, a few nails, some dirt on top and a headstone. Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 04, 2011, 11:52:00 am
Cowley piles on:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/5171180-452/sox-fans-can-brace-for-a-wreck.html

Rest in peace, you $125 million pile of dung.

Pretty accurate, for the most part. 

The only chance we really have is if these players somehow "snap out of it" and elevate their level of play.

But I don't see that happening.  If it was only a couple of players dragging us down, that would be one thing... but nearly the entire team is playing like s h i t.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 04, 2011, 12:15:33 pm
You have a problem with Cowley's correctness?

Not at all.   Not sure why you inferred that.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 04, 2011, 12:21:42 pm
Tremstra, on ther other hand, has a big problem with it.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 04, 2011, 12:29:54 pm
Time for some Juan Pierre Fun Facts, courtesy of Unky Phil:

Liriano's three-walk game of Juan Pierre is interesting. It's only the sixth three-walk game of Pierre's career, but the second in the last three days.  He's had only 33 multi-walk games in his 11-year career.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-your-morning-phil-liriano-mauer-pierre-20110504,0,471180.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 04, 2011, 12:35:21 pm
Given his defense, and baserunning this year, he's going to need to walk to about a .390 OBP to be valuable.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 04, 2011, 02:47:07 pm
I'm starting to think that sacking Ozzie may not be a bad idea after all.  Providing that it's done right -- i.e. no ugly fallout (yeah, a tall order with any controversy involving Guillen), keep him within the org, etc.).

Not sure that Cora would be a suitable replacement though.  Get someone in there with a different approach to managing.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 04, 2011, 03:04:56 pm
Y'know, if I'm Jake Peavy. . .
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 04, 2011, 06:04:56 pm
I'm starting to think that sacking Ozzie may not be a bad idea after all.  Providing that it's done right -- i.e. no ugly fallout (yeah, a tall order with any controversy involving Guillen), keep him within the org, etc.).

Not sure that Cora would be a suitable replacement though.  Get someone in there with a different approach to managing.

I personally think we should bring in Jim Thome as manager.  Love that guy.  Class act and all that.  Bring him back to the org.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 05, 2011, 07:55:36 am
Again - when can we fire Greg Walker?

The offense is f'ing talented.  VERY talented.

Konerko is the only one hitting worth a damn right now.  Quentin started hot, but he's cooling off.

In the no-hitter, those two were the only two guys in the starting lineup hitting above .250.

Every year, we have this conversation with the underachieving offense.  Yes, you can point to the success of Konerko, and yes, you can point to the success of Quentin early on, but I can point to the failures of Rios, Beckham, Pierre, AJ, Morel, Dunn, .... and that's just this year.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on May 05, 2011, 08:52:06 am
It's becoming obvious that Walker has pictures... lots of 'em.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 05, 2011, 09:20:46 am
Again - when can we fire Greg Walker?

The offense is f'ing talented.  VERY talented.

Konerko is the only one hitting worth a damn right now.  Quentin started hot, but he's cooling off.

In the no-hitter, those two were the only two guys in the starting lineup hitting above .250.

Every year, we have this conversation with the underachieving offense.  Yes, you can point to the success of Konerko, and yes, you can point to the success of Quentin early on, but I can point to the failures of Rios, Beckham, Pierre, AJ, Morel, Dunn, .... and that's just this year.

I think that Dunn will eventually come around, but it will probably be too late to save this season.  Obviously, he was rushed back way too fast from his appendectomy.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: ISF on May 05, 2011, 10:36:35 am
Well, I've found Beckham's problem:

http://www.sunherald.com/2011/05/03/3077124/gordon-beckham-of-the-chicago.html

He's just a cheap bastard. Look for a bounceback year in 2012.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2011, 01:19:04 pm
Again - when can we fire Greg Walker?

The offense is f'ing talented.  VERY talented.

Konerko is the only one hitting worth a damn right now.  Quentin started hot, but he's cooling off.

In the no-hitter, those two were the only two guys in the starting lineup hitting above .250.

Every year, we have this conversation with the underachieving offense.  Yes, you can point to the success of Konerko, and yes, you can point to the success of Quentin early on, but I can point to the failures of Rios, Beckham, Pierre, AJ, Morel, Dunn, .... and that's just this year.

I think that Dunn will eventually come around, but it will probably be too late to save this season.  Obviously, he was rushed back way too fast from his appendectomy.

I heard an interesting suggestion on the Score today. Holmes was filling in for Speigs today and he was talking about the Peavey and Rios deals and said maybe it was time to get rid of KW and replace him with Hahn. I cant say I'd be against that idea
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on May 05, 2011, 01:49:12 pm
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I heard an interesting suggestion on the Score today. Holmes was filling in for Speigs today and he was talking about the Peavey and Rios deals and said maybe it was time to get rid of KW and replace him with Hahn. I cant say I'd be against that idea

Rios cost us nothing but money. Last year he earned it, and it's too early to say he won't this year as well.

Peavy hasn't cost us anything crucial either, and no one could have foresaw his injury. If he comes back and performs, that's still a good trade. He's a former Cy Young winner with the potential to be our ace.

If KW is to be fired, it should be for the ridiculous way in which he handled Nick Swisher, his immediate extension of Teahen and his complete devastation of our farm system.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 05, 2011, 01:53:35 pm

If KW is to be fired, it should be for the ridiculous way in which he handled Nick Swisher, his immediate extension of Teahen and his complete devastation of our farm system.

Agreed, but I would still include Rios, and Pierre, in the equation.  Couldn't KW have made better choices than those two?

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on May 05, 2011, 02:07:22 pm
Agreed, but I would still include Rios, and Pierre, in the equation.  Couldn't KW have made better choices than those two?

I don't think either one is an egregious mistake. Pierre is an upgrade over the previous occupant in LF, and Rios might not be worth what we're paying him, but he hasn't been a bust. Streaky hitter who can play defense. Again, upgrade over the previous player.

On the other hand, we're empty-handed for Swisher and didn't bother to replace him until signing Dunn.

Teahen is a waste of any money we've given him, and gave up a better player in the bargain.

I still think with our rotation and the bats return to expectations, it isn't impossible for us to recover. The division is hardly stellar and no one is going to run away. 85 wins might be enough.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on May 05, 2011, 02:17:33 pm
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Pierre is an upgrade over the previous occupant in LF

I do not agree. Pods was better with the bat, had just as much speed and even getting picked off as much as he did is about equal to the number of times Pierre has been caught stealing already this year, and Pods was not that much worse in left field than Pierre. All in all, I don't see how Pierre has been an upgrade.

And to me, there seemed to be a spark with Pods in the lineup. I don't see that with JP.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on May 05, 2011, 02:23:23 pm

I do not agree. Pods was better with the bat, had just as much speed and even getting picked off as much as he did is about equal to the number of times Pierre has been caught stealing already this year, and Pods was not that much worse in left field than Pierre. All in all, I don't see how Pierre has been an upgrade.

And to me, there seemed to be a spark with Pods in the lineup. I don't see that with JP.

The only things Pantywaist brought to this team were a hot wife and an uncanny knack for short-hopping routine flyballs.
I am unforgiving.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on May 05, 2011, 02:33:20 pm
And that was more than Pierre has brought to this team. Pierre literally adds nothing.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2011, 04:46:19 pm
And lets not give Quentin a pass on his time in LF either. Pierre was an upgrade over Quentin too
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 05, 2011, 07:57:28 pm
And lets not give Quentin a pass on his time in LF either. Pierre was an upgrade over Quentin too

Yeah, because Pierre sure hasn't dropped any fly balls or anything like that...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on May 05, 2011, 08:52:09 pm
manglement?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 05, 2011, 09:38:27 pm


Quote from: WshflThinking on Today at 04:46:19 pmAnd lets not give Quentin a pass on his time in LF either. Pierre was an upgrade over Quentin too



Yeah, because Pierre sure hasn't dropped any fly balls or anything like that...


-----

The operative word in Wshfl's quote is "was"
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 05, 2011, 10:07:11 pm
 :-*
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: dazed63 on May 07, 2011, 08:48:43 am
Never seen someone lose speed so fast as JP.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 09, 2011, 12:02:17 pm
Just a hunch -- this team is about to turn the corner.  Starting pitching has been excellent (I think I saw that they've reeled off seven straight Quality Starts) and the bats are starting to come around.  Last four series they've gone 1-1-2 and have been a hit or two away from a win in most of the games.

Of course, I'll attribute this "hunch" to Koolaid poisoning if they play like a bunch of pansies in Anaheim and Oakland.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 09, 2011, 12:05:06 pm
Another thought -- not sure if this has been brought up before:

I have little interest in replacing Humber with Peavy in the rotation at this point and Santos has been very nice in the closer's role.  But what about converting Peavy to a closer?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 09, 2011, 12:09:08 pm
They miss both Haren and Weaver, so there's that.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 09, 2011, 12:13:54 pm
Another thought -- not sure if this has been brought up before:

I have little interest in replacing Humber with Peavy in the rotation at this point and Santos has been very nice in the closer's role.  But what about converting Peavy to a closer?


I think we've thrown that idea around... doubt KW's ego will allow him to use Peavy as anything other then a starter..

Plus if hes a starter the chances of him hurting himself and the insurance company paying his salary rise drastically.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 09, 2011, 12:15:17 pm
I don't think a guy with so many injury problems would be the ideal guy to have to get up and throw every day, especially without notice.  If you want to collect all the insurance money on Peavy, this would be a good way to do it.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 10, 2011, 02:07:17 pm
Another reason why I like Oziie:

Manager Ozzie Guillen had a snappy reply Monday night after being asked if the White Sox have an advantage in not facing Jered Weaver or Dan Haren in this week's series against the Angels:   "No  s h i t".

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-sox-satisfied-with-win-no-matter-the-opponent-20110509,0,5726396.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 10, 2011, 06:22:30 pm
That one's going on facebook....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 10, 2011, 09:13:41 pm
That one's going on facebook....


Fail.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on May 10, 2011, 11:04:00 pm
Going on facebook in the first place is fail enough.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 11, 2011, 07:27:40 am
It's a generational thing....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 11, 2011, 09:48:52 am
No... no its not.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on May 11, 2011, 10:45:14 am
Going on facebook in the first place is fail enough.

Loveland is a closet Farmville addict.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on May 11, 2011, 11:54:29 am
Why do grown women send me gifts of baby squids?  And what kind of farm has squids?

If I ever send anyone such a gift ban me.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: ISF on May 11, 2011, 01:00:23 pm
Jeff Gray, we hardly knew thee...


The White Sox designated righty Jeff Gray for assignment to open a spot on the 25-man roster for Jake Peavy, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin.  The move leaves the Sox with 35 players on their 40-man roster.

Gray, 29, tossed 13 1/3 innings for the Sox this year, including a nice three-inning effort yesterday.  The team had signed Gray to a minor league deal in December after he'd been outrighted by the Cubs.  Gray had been part of the December '09 deal that sent Jake Fox and Aaron Miles to Oakland.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 11, 2011, 01:18:11 pm
Cripes, the kid has done ok, should have released Pena instead
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 11, 2011, 01:47:30 pm
I agree - not too thrilled about it.  I was thinking they send Sale down and let hiom start at Charlotte the rest of the year to get ready for 2012.   But getting rid of Pena is okay by me.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 11, 2011, 03:11:59 pm
Cripes, the kid has done ok, should have released Pena instead

Agreed.  It seems that Sox management is inordinately attached to keeping dead wood (Teahen, Pierre, Pena, Thornton) around.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 11, 2011, 03:55:37 pm
Why do grown women send me gifts of baby squids?  And what kind of farm has squids?

If I ever send anyone such a gift ban me.

You can block all those things on face book... when you hit decline it will ask you "block farmville"?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on May 11, 2011, 04:05:12 pm
That would require logging on wouldn't it.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 11, 2011, 04:13:31 pm
That would require logging on wouldn't it.

Indeed.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on May 11, 2011, 04:36:32 pm
You took the time to create a Facebook account, so what was the point if you don't want to use it?

I don't get it. IMO, great communication tool. There's a reason it's worth billions.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 11, 2011, 05:14:20 pm
Its worth keeping in contact with long lost friends... sending a message once in a while.

The rest of it... with the retarded games... the stupid requests for retarded games. along with hearing every thing certain people are doing every moment of the day is annoying as ****.

I dont need to know the consistency of each of your bowel movements... and thats about the level of content  being posted on facebook....

Facebook should have been a way to keep in touch with people... its turned into an exercise in trying to make money thru that concept along with a forum to some people to indulge in their vanity 24/7.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 11, 2011, 08:58:31 pm
I have turned down invitations to join Facebook. Just doesnt interest me
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 11, 2011, 09:09:00 pm
Well that doesnt help our case... you dont like firefox.... :)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 11, 2011, 10:41:33 pm
I dont need to know the consistency of each of your bowel movements...

That might make Facebook more interesting
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 11, 2011, 11:39:24 pm
Reading this thread, I'm wondering how the Facebook experience is so different from this forum experience . . .
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 12, 2011, 06:29:36 am
Probably not much different than Facebook here but I dont need more to make me happy. Dont need another addiction.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on May 12, 2011, 09:07:40 am
Eh, no one on this forum posts what they're making for dinner or that they're headed to Target or out looking for boxes to start packing for their big move. Some people update their status 10 times a day. Who the heck cares???????? It is very annoying (and dumb).

I like to reconnect with old friends, see pics of them and their family, etc.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on May 12, 2011, 09:24:00 am
I completely agree, I hate facebook
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 12, 2011, 09:25:46 am
That's more or less what I use it for.  Some of the stuff my friends post is funny.

That's about it though.

I appreciate it when folks post really good recipes and stuff (hint, hint, Camel....).
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 12, 2011, 09:28:15 am
You'll definitely want to check out "The Swimming Pig Guy" (updates coming! promised since May 2010!) as well as my periodic updates on variations of oatmeal I am eating for lunch. Occasional Bosco Chocolate Syrup news as well.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 12, 2011, 09:59:12 am
That's more or less what I use it for.  Some of the stuff my friends post is funny.

That's about it though.

I appreciate it when folks post really good recipes and stuff (hint, hint, Camel....).

This used to be a great thing about facebook 2 years ago... but now to find the one good thing that camel might post... one has to wade thru 1000 posts like the ones Sox rule mentioned.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on May 12, 2011, 10:07:34 am
Or how about the many times people will post 2 lines of lyrics to a song. Okay. That adds nothing of value.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 12, 2011, 10:08:55 am
Then there is crap like this... where some asshat posts an update concerning an update on another page....

Schlitzie Surtees
Major changes coming to The Swimming Pig Guy page soon! Tell all your little Facebook Friends!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: PeteWard on May 12, 2011, 10:10:33 am
Did I tell you guys I had a tasty jelly donut for breakfast this morning? mmmmm!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 12, 2011, 10:21:51 am
@ 153 and 154- pretty sure I covered your material in #150. Everyone's playing the Fury13 "Blunt Echo" game all of a sudden.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: PeteWard on May 12, 2011, 10:25:13 am
Missed your 150.  Agree my 154 added little.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 12, 2011, 10:37:16 am
Miss a little, miss a lot. Well, actually, quite the opposite is true where JhonJeterWD40 posts are concerned. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 12, 2011, 11:21:35 am
Hawk & Wimpy reunion this weekend.   And plenty of annoying crowd sounds, too.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 12, 2011, 02:10:18 pm
Probably not much different than Facebook here but I dont need more to make me happy. Dont need another addiction.
Me neither, heroin is plenty
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 12, 2011, 02:16:27 pm
News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.

He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 12, 2011, 02:22:22 pm
Me neither, **** is plenty

Field Day time!! Where is that giant tee photo.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 12, 2011, 02:41:44 pm
I put a 6 letter word in there for a very addictive drug, and it replaced it with 4 asterisks???
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 12, 2011, 02:44:19 pm
You've graduated to her0in?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 12, 2011, 02:52:23 pm
I was bored
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 12, 2011, 03:53:54 pm
I respect you taking a proactive approach to dealing with the situation then.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 12, 2011, 04:06:01 pm
I suppose it is not a thing I should make light of, could get in trouble just kidding about that kind of stuff.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 12, 2011, 04:08:48 pm
News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.

He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.

Bring him up.  Find a spot for him.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 12, 2011, 04:22:30 pm
Who do the Sox move into that leadoff spot?

Not that pretty much anybody wouldn't be an upgrade to what Pierre is providing right now....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 12, 2011, 04:29:27 pm
Omar... or mabe even Rios if he gets his crap together.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 06:45:40 am
News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.

He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.

Bring him up.  Find a spot for him.

bat boy? or fat boy?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 13, 2011, 09:56:44 am
News: White Sox minor leaguer Dayan Viciedo broke a 1-for-11 slump at Triple-A Charlotte on Tuesday with a 4-for-5 performance. He homered, doubled and drove in five runs. Viciedo is hitting .439 (18 for 41) with two homers and 13 RBI in his last 10 games. "If we didn't have Carlos Quentin out there in right field, he would be out there right now, knocking the ball around," White Sox GM Ken Williams told MLB.com. "The ball doesn't come off anybody's bat that we have any harder than it comes off that kid's bat." It seems manager Ozzie Guillen is already lobbying for Viciedo to get promoted. "I think it's time for us to give this kid a shot and say, 'You're going to be outfield, DH, first base, third base,' whatever he is," Guillen said.

He has a position waiting for him in LF... lets get it done.

Bring him up.  Find a spot for him.

bat boy? or fat boy?

Viciedo can flat-out hit... which is more than we can say for your boy Morel.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 10:04:24 am
Viciedo can flat-out hit... which is more than we can say for your boy Morel.

Well your boy Cede couldnt hit either when he first came up and Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either. I still think Morel can hit big league pitching. Hey I am not expecting 40/40 from Morel but he wont be bad either

Oh and Viciedo is such a great fielder he might take Quentin's job in RF. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 10:07:35 am
Viciedo, Rios and Quentin? Short of the Flubs I cant visualize a worse defensive OF in the majors.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: PeteWard on May 13, 2011, 10:07:43 am
Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either.

Are we talking about his hitting or his weight?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 10:09:49 am
Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either.

Are we talking about his hitting or his weight?

Either choice. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 13, 2011, 11:46:53 am
Viceido still has ZERO plate discipline.

I want them to stick with Morel. Ventera didn't hit when he came up/ same with Crede.

Morel has been good with the Glove so far from what I've seen.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on May 13, 2011, 11:50:53 am
Viciedo can flat-out hit... which is more than we can say for your boy Morel.

Well your boy Cede couldnt hit either when he first came up and Viciedo hasnt reached Ruthian proportions yet either. I still think Morel can hit big league pitching. Hey I am not expecting 40/40 from Morel but he wont be bad either

Oh and Viciedo is such a great fielder he might take Quentin's job in RF. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Morel will end up like a Brandon Inge... a good fielder that will eternally frustrate fans with his consistent .220-230 batting average.

We need more hitters who can knock in runs.  Viciedo is crushing minor-league pitching.  It's time to find a place for him on the Sox and have a Mentor work with him on his fielding. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 13, 2011, 11:55:37 am
I disagree... he wont be anything more then a situational pinch hitter like he was last year...

Ozzie will pick and choose his spots... granted i'd rather have him in that roll then Treehorn.

But as a starter his 9:28 BB to K ratio will hurt bad... and i'm pretty sure 5 of those walks were IBB
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 13, 2011, 12:20:23 pm
We need more hitters who can knock in runs.  Viciedo is crushing minor-league pitching.  It's time to find a place for him on the Sox and have a Mentor work with him on his fielding.

 Dont know what he is crushing if he is striking out so much. Maybe he has taken up recycling aluminum cans and is crushing them. ;D  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 13, 2011, 12:36:51 pm
His K rate is actually down a solid 5% from last year from 22+ to just over 17 this year.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on May 13, 2011, 12:38:44 pm
Can we please stop quoting quotes quoting quotes?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 13, 2011, 12:46:00 pm
How else are we to follow which random train of thought is being responded to?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 13, 2011, 01:30:55 pm
Ozzie protected Viciedo last year, and said as much.  An everyday Viciedo would be something like .270/.300/.450 . . .   still better than JP but not a savior.  Lilli or Omar can lead off, cause Beckham's not looking like an everyday player either.  If you sometimes have Beckham, Morel, and the Tank all in the line-up at once, let Rios leadoff.   Or let Viciedo do it . . . break up that muderer's row of fleas with a guy who might actually hit a 2-run shot . .  .
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2011, 06:20:52 pm
Can we please stop quoting quotes quoting quotes?

Whats the problem with quotes within quotes?

what's wrong with quoting quotes within quotes?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on May 14, 2011, 03:51:24 pm
LOL
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 17, 2011, 01:16:28 pm
Dallas MacPhearson is the guy you call up?   Really?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 17, 2011, 02:40:33 pm
God, I hope not
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 17, 2011, 02:44:02 pm
Usually when BlackSox asks a rhetorical question like that, it's a fait accompli.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 17, 2011, 03:06:34 pm
T'is indeed.   

Also -- Pierre benched, Lilli starting in LF and leading off.   
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 17, 2011, 03:08:05 pm
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-teahen-to-dl-mcpherson-promoted-pierre-sits-vs-lhp-harrison-20110517,0,5265647.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 17, 2011, 03:19:19 pm
well, he's hitting.  If he has a few good games, you send Morel down and bring up Viciedo
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 18, 2011, 06:14:42 am
Morel playing tough defense last night. Took away at least 3 hits if Viciedo were playing 3rd. Morel is playing the best 3B of anybody we have
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 18, 2011, 07:37:06 am
Morel playing tough defense last night. Took away at least 3 hits if Viciedo were playing 3rd. Morel is playing the best 3B of anybody we have

I concur... and I think he's still underachieving with the bat, so I think that'll come around soon too.  Maybe the 3-run jack is a sign of things to come.  He seems to be overly aggressive at the plate, and isn't waiting for his pitch to drive.

Either way, he's the best option we've got at 3B.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 18, 2011, 11:24:52 am
I wouldn't use Viciedo at 3rd.  But Dallas McPherson is here to light a fire under Morel's butt.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 18, 2011, 11:35:46 am
Morel should stay at 3B , no matter what.   His defense more than compensates for a .240 average.

Viciedo should be up here playing in the outfield with Pierre on the bench as a pinch runner.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 18, 2011, 12:02:48 pm
Morel should stay at 3B , no matter what.   His defense more than compensates for a .240 average.

Exactly.  It's Beckham who needs to contribute a lot more with the bat.  Sox can get by with the good-D, no-O 3B if they're getting decent production at 2B.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 18, 2011, 03:52:52 pm
Quote
Sox can get by with the good-D, no-O 3B if they're getting decent production at 2B.

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[/size]or vice-versa.  Third base is usually more of a power position, but I think Morel's bat was deemed ok because of (1) his defense  (2) potential for power/hitting at 2B/SS/CF/C and (3) excessive financial obligations.  Without much production at those spots, it puts a highlight on Morel's bat again.  If he hits .240, great.  I'll take him.  But if that .195 crap continued, this would be a much easier position to make a change at than 2nd, SS, or CF.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on May 18, 2011, 05:23:04 pm
Robin Ventura sucked big time with the bat in 1990 but was good with the glove, so if morel is gonna play awesome defense then keep him out there, but ozzie needs to do sound keep playing him
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 18, 2011, 08:13:43 pm
Senator, I know Robin Ventura.  I served with Robin Ventura.  Brent Morel is no  Robin Ventura.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 18, 2011, 09:57:30 pm
Morel or Viz at 3rd.

I'd prefer they keep Morels glove and move Viz to 2nd. Send beckham down for 2 weeks.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 18, 2011, 10:15:05 pm
Viciedo turning the double play.... could be entertaining.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on May 18, 2011, 10:22:49 pm
Morel or Viz at 3rd.

I'd prefer they keep Morels glove and move Viz to 2nd. Send beckham down for 2 weeks.


That would be a good scenario. Vizquel gives good at bats , beckham Looks lost out there
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 18, 2011, 10:40:28 pm
And Vizquel could hit leadoff, so Pierre can be put out of his misery.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 19, 2011, 12:49:06 am
(http://www.thesportsbank.net/core/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/kenny-williams.jpg)

GM Williams mum on plans to alter club

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110518&content_id=19222312&notebook_id=19230256&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110518&content_id=19222312&notebook_id=19230256&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 19, 2011, 06:43:26 am
If we really want the Mentor Factor, we could go Viz at 3B and LIl'Beast at 2B.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2011, 07:45:32 am
I am not ready to close the door on the Brent Morel 3B experience
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 19, 2011, 08:09:40 am
I am not ready to close the door on the Brent Morel 3B experience

I concur.  If everyone in our lineup were hitting like they're capable of, I could live with Morel's so-far-anemic bat.

Also, I'd like to call it The Hot Corner Mushroom Experience.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 19, 2011, 08:39:32 am
If we really want the Mentor Factor, we could go Viz at 3B and LIl'Beast at 2B.
I want Lillibridge in CF instead of Rios, seriously.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 19, 2011, 09:28:19 am
I was thinking that last night- Rios and a couple others aren't doing anything with the bat, Lillibridge can't be any worse. Let him play, somewhere, until he sucks his way out of the lineup. Maybe he'll surprise people and stick around for awhile.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 19, 2011, 09:57:37 am
He plays good D, he can run. Just needs to hit a bit. He might hit a little better being an OF than a SS, less thinking at least.

I can live w/o Rios. Never did like him. I
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 19, 2011, 11:38:43 am
The Hot Corner Mushroom Experience

That name is already taken -- BlackSox's Hawkwind cover band.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 19, 2011, 11:58:55 am
hahah- perfect call on Hawkwind.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2011, 12:50:59 pm
I was thinking that last night- Rios and a couple others aren't doing anything with the bat, Lillibridge can't be any worse. Let him play, somewhere, until he sucks his way out of the lineup. Maybe he'll surprise people and stick around for awhile.

Bring up Mitchell. He cant be any worse than Lilli. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on May 19, 2011, 12:53:48 pm
You want to bet on that
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 19, 2011, 12:57:56 pm
Why don't we wait til Lillibridge's OBP sinks down to, oh, .340, and his OPS goes under .800 or so. Because until then, he's an upgrade over a lot of these stiffs.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 19, 2011, 01:06:13 pm
BlackSox's Hawkwind cover band.

Oh, if only I had the time to start that project...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 19, 2011, 01:12:51 pm
Oh, if only I had the time drugs to start that project...

For when you do get the time. .. .
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: dazed63 on May 19, 2011, 03:13:12 pm
I'm for keeping Lillibridge in CF until he starts sucking. On his great catch yesterday did anyone notice how he ran farther than JP and then JP instead of backing off the wall in case the ball comes off it ran in close?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 19, 2011, 03:15:58 pm
Dazed you are beginning to remind me of bosoxfan... always bringing up painful memories...

I generally look away from the Television whenever any play involving JP is occurring... it saves me from wasting more money on tums.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on May 19, 2011, 07:28:17 pm
You want to bet on that

One mendoza liner or another. To me thats 6 of one and half dozen of the other. Hey bad is bad.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 19, 2011, 07:48:50 pm
RE: McPherson - I think we've found our Teahen replacement.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 19, 2011, 07:49:57 pm
Mentor lays down a sac bunt.... a favorable call gets us a "safe" call at 3rd.  Bags juiced, nobody out.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 19, 2011, 07:54:11 pm
Wow - Sox put up 4 (and counting) after a bags juiced, nobody out situation.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 20, 2011, 12:42:57 pm
Wow


[The Sox'] 10 hits marked the first time they reached double digits in hits since April 8 (11).


http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/cbsports-sox-enjoy-rare-laughter-at-home-20110519,0,7499824.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 20, 2011, 12:52:21 pm
wrong
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 20, 2011, 01:04:41 pm
I call bullsh1t on that.  They must mean at home, the Sox have definitely racked up more than 10 hits in a game on that last road trip.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 20, 2011, 01:05:59 pm
wasn't there a 15-hit, 4-run attack recently?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 20, 2011, 01:07:34 pm
May 11, 15 hits against LAA.  That's just sloppy reporting.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 20, 2011, 01:22:59 pm
RE: the URL:

I'd like to contend that the Sox have had their share of "laughers" at home between April 8 and last night.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 20, 2011, 01:24:53 pm
BlackSox got that info from Triemstra.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 20, 2011, 01:39:23 pm
ouch.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 20, 2011, 01:40:05 pm
No, it was a setup.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 20, 2011, 01:54:51 pm
No, it was a setup

I suspected as much.  Threw it out there just to watch the mongrels get in a frenzy over it.  Not unlike what you did with the "Cubs town" comment in the other thread, but your inclinations to rile the rabble with such remarks has been so overused here that nobody fell for it.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 20, 2011, 01:59:49 pm
Gah, no, TRIEMSTRA set up BLACKSOX. It's all part of my little imaginary world.

I think there are about 5 people on this forum, so I don't think there's much rabble to rile with that Cubs comment, but you never know. Seriously, I do think that would prevent a repeat of the 85 Bear ridiculousness to a considerable degree.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 20, 2011, 03:07:59 pm
Tremstra is a bastard.  But he knows that.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 25, 2011, 11:47:03 pm
Recent news is humber is going to lose his spot and we go back to a 5 man rotation after JP's last start....

Me thinks thats a bad bad bad bad bad idea... send Jackson to the DL. send jackson to AAA... not one of our most effective starters thus far...

Fire whoever makes the decision that Jackson/Peavy (both with one good starts) belongs in the rotation over Humber.

So let it be written. so let it be done.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on May 26, 2011, 01:15:16 am
Jackson with one good start?   huh?  Peavy's only had two starts, and the first one actually was not bad despite giving up 4 runs.

Humber doesn't deserve to lose his spot, but he's the best candidate.  Mainly, he doesn't have the track record of those others, and let's not get into his BABIP . . . .   he's due for some serious regression.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 28, 2011, 12:27:21 pm
I through with EdLose Jackson.    Send his b*tch ass to the bullpen.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 28, 2011, 12:32:52 pm
Time for Sox Manglement to be through... through being cool.  Eliminate the ninnies and the twits.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 28, 2011, 02:52:37 pm
Yeap... humber should keep his spot in the rotation for now.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: PeteWard on May 28, 2011, 03:03:25 pm
Maybe they could trade Jackson for Adam Dunn.

Oh, wait.....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on May 28, 2011, 03:14:51 pm
Heh
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on May 30, 2011, 03:21:55 pm
If anybody is interested McPherson was DFA'd and Harrell was demoted, Marquez and bruney called up
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on May 30, 2011, 04:01:32 pm
If anybody is interested McPherson was DFA'd and Harrell was demoted, Marquez and bruney called up

LOL. We just got worse.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 31, 2011, 09:13:52 am
Sox Manglement to be through... through being cool.  Eliminate the ninnies and the twits.

Definitely- time to show those evil spuds what's what. Put the tape on erase.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 31, 2011, 10:37:35 am
Nice, 13 pitchers and 3 bench players. 

Can't be for too long, with  trips to NL parks coming up starting June 17.   

Something is up.   
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 31, 2011, 10:39:15 am
6.0 back in the Wild Card Hunt
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 31, 2011, 07:55:26 pm
Where would we be without [H]Umber?   

A lot deeper in the shytter, methinks
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on May 31, 2011, 08:05:08 pm
To quote Ronnie Van Zant, "you got that right."
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on May 31, 2011, 08:24:06 pm
I'll be PIIIIIIIIISSED if Humber loses his spot in the rotation.

He's been very good.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on May 31, 2011, 08:31:57 pm
yeap...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on May 31, 2011, 09:01:11 pm
I watched a few minutes of a (guessing it was recent) Skynyrd concert on some HD channel the other day.   They were playing "That Smell", which rocks.    But it was more fun trying to figure out which guys were original members and which were fill ins.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 08, 2011, 01:04:27 pm
Marquez:  he gone

Marquez claimed off waivers by the Yankees.


http://twitter.com/#!/CST_soxvan/status/78519812048961538
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on June 08, 2011, 02:08:41 pm
Adam Dunn, Chicago White Sox (ADP: 31, Player Rater: 290): Like Uggla, Dunn is 31 years old, with many of the same problems. Stark also addressed the Dunn topic, as did Eric Karabell on Monday; I generally agree with Eric on the "you've got one more week" approach with Dunn, but I bet we'd both admit it might be our tendency to preach patience talking.


Tom Szczerbowski/US PresswireThe move to the American League has been anything but good for Adam Dunn.

Dunn, again like Uggla, has had fastball issues in 2011; he's a .165/.310/.243 hitter against them this season, after .309/.399/.652 in 2009-10 combined. There's a key difference between the two, however: Dunn isn't improving in that department with time, and as a result, he's actually seeing an increased rate of fastballs in recent weeks. Through April, 54.4 percent of the pitches he saw were fastballs, 6.9 percent sinkers; since May 1, those numbers have risen to 59.3 and 9.5. Dunn is also a .197/.351/.311 hitter against fastballs since May 1, only marginally improved upon his .174/.309/.261 rates before that date. And surely you've heard all about his miserable performance against lefties, 1-for-42 (.024 avg.) so far. Clearly he's not adjusting, and American League pitchers are challenging him more as a result.

Nevertheless, just like Uggla, Dunn's problems are unlikely a decline in skills, and in his case, he actually has a wider array of explanations for them: the league change, the adaptation to designated hitter -- though his .296/.449/.648 rates in 16 career games as a National League DH during interleague play suggest otherwise -- and his hasty return after an April 5 emergency appendectomy. Those make me slightly more confident in Dunn's ability to bounce back than Uggla's, but at the same time, there aren't any hints that such a bounce-back is imminent.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2011, 05:53:04 am
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/259267039.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1307617546&Signature=ArJZQz9Q8zXaCHp0E6yis7BCSfY%3D)

The Roger Bossard bobblehead doll promotion for Sunday June 12th is postponed because of a manufacturing issue and rescheduled for Sept. 13. The first 20,000 fans with tickets to Sunday's game will receive vouchers good for a bobblehead doll that they can collect at U.S. Cellular Field after Sept. 13.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20207578&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20207578&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on June 17, 2011, 11:27:27 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Dayan-Viciedo-feasting-in-minors-Juan-Pierre-st;_ylt=AuMj88vJ2bNBuOSWWSpp4Sw5nYcB?urn=fantasy-wp3973

Article at Yahoo! Sports on Viciedo, advocating for him to move to RF, Quentin to LF, and Pierre to the bench, with Lil'Beast being a utility guy.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on June 17, 2011, 09:45:01 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy/blog/roto_arcade/post/Dayan-Viciedo-feasting-in-minors-Juan-Pierre-st;_ylt=AuMj88vJ2bNBuOSWWSpp4Sw5nYcB?urn=fantasy-wp3973

Article at Yahoo! Sports on Viciedo, advocating for him to move to RF, Quentin to LF, and Pierre to the bench, with Lil'Beast being a utility guy.

Quentin should be moved to DH to replace Done.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 20, 2011, 10:49:09 am
(http://blackhawksbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/werewaiting.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on June 20, 2011, 10:57:34 am
With Mckeon taking over in Florida... maybe next year that crazy owner will send us Morrison for Ozzie!

to dream....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 21, 2011, 03:00:34 pm
Heh:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-heres-an-idea-if-ozzie-talks-his-way-out-of-town-20110621,0,1585947.column
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 21, 2011, 03:10:32 pm
Huzzah to that notion. Brenly does seem to know his stuff. Shoeless would not like this idea, I divine.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 21, 2011, 04:12:52 pm
I'd rather Kendry get shitcanned first, but hell, sack the whole lot of 'em.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 21, 2011, 04:15:24 pm
"Maybe they are showcasing him for a trade" -- a reach of an explanation as to why Juan Phucktard is still on the team, that made me laugh
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 22, 2011, 12:00:29 pm
Okay, I guess there is an excuse for not yet promoting Viciedo: Scott Boras.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/6/21/2234700/reading-room-counting-down-the-days-until-dayan
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on June 23, 2011, 10:02:20 am
I'm almost tempted to celebrate that the Sox are now "only" two games below .500.

They need to beat up on the Nationals before going to Colorado.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 23, 2011, 10:23:56 am
Washington is not so beat-up-able this year, 9-1 over their last 10. It would be nice if they could take the first one, which they failed to do vs. Cubbies and Snakes.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on June 24, 2011, 01:28:07 pm
Washington is not so beat-up-able this year, 9-1 over their last 10. It would be nice if they could take the first one, which they failed to do vs. Cubbies and Snakes.

What about the Nats' possible loss of focus, after the Riggleman exit?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 24, 2011, 01:49:00 pm
I just have ZERO confidence in the offense. Which is a shame, because I have a pretty good feeling about the pitching at this point.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on June 24, 2011, 02:06:48 pm
If Dunn and even just one of Beckham or Rios starts hitting it will be like making 2 trades and will really ignite this team. We are hanging around the division leaders with our team playing as poorly as it can....it we can just get a couple guys going we can be right there at the end.

Whatever happened to the offense that scored 14 runs on Opening Day and was lighting it on fire the first week of the season? Can you imagine if that was our standard offense?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2011, 03:34:20 pm
Once the bats come around, the bullpen will start sucking again.  The two connot coexist in the same space-time.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on June 29, 2011, 09:19:48 pm
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/6/29/2249821/the-wait-for-viciedo-gets-messy
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on June 29, 2011, 09:58:59 pm
Just trade bait. DH him and send Dunn down.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on July 01, 2011, 12:55:43 pm
I know he's a crap-stirrer, but I kind of like Cowley:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6267089-419/ken-williams-should-use-power-to-fix-white-sox-not-deflect-blame.html
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on July 01, 2011, 02:52:37 pm
I know he's a crap-stirrer, but I kind of like Cowley:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/6267089-419/ken-williams-should-use-power-to-fix-white-sox-not-deflect-blame.html

I think Cowley is on the money.  Williams is the one who is responsible for the makeup of this team, and this team is lacking talent in key places.  Sure, Ozzie has made his blunders, but that is bound to happen once in awhile.  Williams is the man who puts the talent, or lack thereof, in the clubhouse.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on July 01, 2011, 02:53:26 pm
That said, it's hard to believe that Dunn is still sucking, into July.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on July 01, 2011, 03:14:30 pm
Dunn OPSed .498 in June.

Wow.

That's on-base percentage PLUS slugging percentage.

Just for comparison, Jose Bautista's OBP for the season is .470.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on July 03, 2011, 11:25:50 am
Guess Konerko's not a Paul Star.  It's a huge joke this season.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on July 03, 2011, 11:34:27 am
He has the unfortunate situation of playing the same position as Adrian Gonzalez who's having a monster season of his own, and also has the bigger name recognition being in Boston now. We all know Paulie's one of the top players in baseball so far this year but if he doesn't play in the AS game at least he gets a couple days to rest.

Either way it's a win-win, imo (and probably in Paul's opinion too)!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on July 03, 2011, 11:53:15 am
yep, certainly won't hurt to get him the rest.  Humber should be there too.  Price is a joke
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on July 03, 2011, 12:06:15 pm
They still have an All-Sra Game?  Thought it was cancelled in the early 90s due to lack of interest.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on July 03, 2011, 12:22:08 pm
Quentin is the Sox' All Star.  I just read some stats on Quentin and didn't realize just how bad he's been lately. Hasn't homered in 19 games now and has only 4 rbi's since June 8th. Humber deserved it far more, but does any non-Sox (and now non-Cub) fan even know he exists?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 04, 2011, 08:41:26 am
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-07/62979695.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KHc3V6i1clo/ThCg1FodZII/AAAAAAAALrQ/hnnlKIqqUWc/s340/Picture%2B1.png)

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2011/fv/ballot.jsp?cmpid=117244&cme=-1&tcid=ca_fm2011_ballot (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2011/fv/ballot.jsp?cmpid=117244&cme=-1&tcid=ca_fm2011_ballot)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on July 04, 2011, 04:22:56 pm
I should be in marketing.  fucckkers stole my Paul Star
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on July 12, 2011, 12:54:35 pm
heh:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-alex-rios-stinks-but-still-starts-20110711,0,474837.column
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 12, 2011, 01:39:11 pm
That's a nice rant, and spoken like an actual fan of the team vs. being just an attention-grab.

I wish I hadn't read this:

Rios is owed $50 million this season, next season, season after that, and after that through a $1 million buyout in 2015. Cleveland’s opening day payroll was $49.4 million.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 21, 2011, 07:09:58 am
Yesterday was not a good day for the KW regime.

Tony Pena's rehab outing is stopped after just four pitches:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-reliever-pena-to-start-second-minor-league-rehab-assignment-with-triplea-charlotte-20110720,0,3450153.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-reliever-pena-to-start-second-minor-league-rehab-assignment-with-triplea-charlotte-20110720,0,3450153.story)

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on July 21, 2011, 09:00:36 pm
You know your team sucks when there is more banter on the fan boards on on their off-days than on game days.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: PeteWard on July 22, 2011, 09:09:41 am
Yesterday was not a good day for the KW regime.

I would argue the opposite.  Anything that keeps Tony Pena out of the Sox bullpen is a good thing.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on July 22, 2011, 09:35:41 am
That was a good Rosenbloom rant.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on July 26, 2011, 12:19:35 pm
"The Yankees would pay big for A's lefty Gio Gonzalez, tweets Sherman, but Oakland still refuses to discuss the southpaw.  The 25-year-old ranks eighth in the American League with 124 strikeouts and seventh with a 2.67 ERA, and is not arbitration-eligible until after this season."
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on July 26, 2011, 01:16:58 pm
"The Yankees would pay big for A's lefty Gio Gonzalez, tweets Sherman, but Oakland still refuses to discuss the southpaw.  The 25-year-old ranks eighth in the American League with 124 strikeouts and seventh with a 2.67 ERA, and is not arbitration-eligible until after this season."

He was ours.  Damn.  Damn.  Damn.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on August 01, 2011, 08:12:01 pm
This is getting stupid....

@CSNChi_Beatnik
Brett Ballantini

Safe to say a fair # of #WhiteSox are enraged by Oney's latest tweets on Mark Teahen + wife. One term used was "smash his face in"


I guess Teahen responded (indirectly) to Oney with:

Hope my career is good enough 2 1day raise a kid 2lazy & dumb 2have a real job so I can pay his bills & he can think he's successful #Goals

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on August 02, 2011, 01:08:52 am
Oney Guillen was born on first and advanced to second on a passed ball and then sacrificed over to third, and he thought he hit a triple.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 02, 2011, 08:59:58 am
More interesting than the dead-ass team.

I went to Oney's Twitter to see what he said about teahen, but it was an endless mire of nonsense.  That kid needs to get a life.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on August 02, 2011, 09:31:03 am
Oh, Oney...  That explains everything.

When I first read the thread I was thinking it said Olney, as in Buster Olney.   I was trying to figure out why in the world he would be tweeting about Mark Teahen's wife.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on August 02, 2011, 10:22:07 am
Oh, Oney...  That explains everything.

When I first read the thread I was thinking it said Olney, as in Buster Olney.   I was trying to figure out why in the world he would be tweeting about Mark Teahen's wife.

...now THAT would've been interesting.  Like in an Eric Lindros - Rod Brind'Amour sort of way.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on August 05, 2011, 09:27:42 am
“Let me explain to the idiots out there, the geniuses,’’ Guillen said. “They say I don’t bench Rios, but the only player I benched because he didn’t hustle, it was Rios, for two days, OK?  Tell these people out there, they think they know baseball more than I do, then send me the lineup that was better without Rios in [it]. Is Rios not playing well? Of course he’s not. He’s brutal everywhere.’’


Yes, Ozzie benched Rios for 2 whole days. What more do you people want from him? Correction: what more do you idiots want?

Stay classy, Oz.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on August 05, 2011, 09:31:15 am
All of them.  KW, Ozzie, Walker.  Gone.  Keep Coop.

And JR needs to pass the chairmanship to someone else.  The ride that has carried over from 2005 is done.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: dazed63 on August 05, 2011, 01:13:39 pm
Boot Ozzie, Kenny, I'll keep Coop.

Stinkos has to go but who in their right mind would take that contract????

Lot of coin to eat!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 16, 2011, 12:24:34 pm
For anyone who is still following, is there any logic to Guillen sticking with the 6-man rotation at this point? 

Humber had a great first half, but he seems to be tailing off, perhaps the innings taking their toll -- I don't think he's logged this many innings in a season, at least not in MLB.  Let him and Stewart work the 5th starter role, at least until Peavy goes on the DL. 

But running six guys out there, when you still have an outside chance at the division, seems like a bit of concession.  Buehrle, Danks, Floyd and Peavy have been keeping the team in most of the games they pitch, why take the innings away from them?  So they can be rested when the Sox fall short of the playoffs?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 16, 2011, 12:43:11 pm
Some say the reason why Buehrle has been pitching so well is because of the extra day of rest.

But I agree that Humber is out of magic dust.  I'd like to see Sox Brass shuffle the rotation, and occasionnally skip a start for Humber or Peavy, to make sure our three best guys (Buehrle, Danks, ???) are pitching when we play the Injuns or Tigers.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 16, 2011, 12:43:59 pm
Hmmm... type in three consecutive question marks and you get that stupid little non-smiley...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on August 16, 2011, 01:01:12 pm
For anyone who is still following

snicker
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 16, 2011, 01:03:01 pm
Yeah, all seven of us.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 16, 2011, 01:27:17 pm
AJ has broken wrist.   Lucy is back.   Flowers gets his shot.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on August 16, 2011, 01:50:24 pm
Uh oh.  There go 5 of the 7. 

Isn't this his first stay on the DL?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 16, 2011, 01:58:01 pm
Lucy, eh?  I vaguely recall hearing that he was a standout at Fallbrook HS in San Diego and later All Pac-10 in his junior year at Stanford University.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 16, 2011, 02:05:48 pm
Lucy is back.

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4526365466_27e1c62953_m.jpg)

While attending Fallbrook Union High School in San Diego, CA, Lucy, a catcher and an infielder in baseball and a running back and a linebacker in football, was named the 2001 San Diego County Male Athlete of the Year.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on August 16, 2011, 02:08:38 pm
AJ has broken wrist.   Lucy is back.   Flowers gets his shot.

Hate losing AJ when he is on a hot streak.

Lucy did a good job for us when he was called up before.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on August 16, 2011, 02:13:19 pm
We may actually throw some runners out now though.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 16, 2011, 02:18:19 pm
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4526365466_27e1c62953_m.jpg)

Lucy has hit a paltry .158/.233/.256 in 147 plate appearances this season at the Triple-A level. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on August 16, 2011, 02:48:52 pm
I thought they cut Lucy. I didnt know he has been hanging out at Charlotte
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on August 16, 2011, 03:24:03 pm
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4019/4526365466_27e1c62953_m.jpg)

Lucy has hit a paltry .158/.233/.256 in 147 plate appearances this season at the Triple-A level.

He's like a Rhodes scholar stuck in 7th grade. He's bored...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 16, 2011, 04:07:46 pm
<Hawk voice>

Ah love Lucy
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 16, 2011, 04:13:26 pm
Was he really hanging out at Charlotte?  Because that sort of behavior is totally unacceptable in a professional environment.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: PeteWard on August 16, 2011, 05:42:47 pm
Yeah, all seven of us.

Hey, I'm still here.

So AJ has been hurt a few days already and they just now determine it's a fracture?  What has happened to Rush Orthopedics?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 16, 2011, 06:39:49 pm
I had you down as one of the seven:

Petey, Jhonny, Blackie, Lovey, Joey, Methy -- and Wishfl, the one that everybody always forgets.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on August 16, 2011, 08:39:39 pm
You guys really know how to make a guy feel good. ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on August 18, 2011, 02:13:39 am
Well, they got to .500, so here comes the 5-game losing streak.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on August 18, 2011, 08:58:21 am
Well, they got to .500, so here comes the 5-game losing streak.

Like I said in an earlier post, .500 is too much to ask of this team.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on August 18, 2011, 09:03:28 am
Well, we've be at or above .500 since Sunday.   That's four straight days, buddy!

Where's our trophy??
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on August 18, 2011, 09:45:31 am
Adam Dunn currently has a .592 OPS with a .296 SLG.

Neifi Perez's worst OPSing season (minimum 300 PA's)?  .564 in 2002.  Neifi slugged .303 that year.

Yes - you read that correctly.  Adam Dunn in 2011 is being outslugged by Neifi Perez in Neifi's worst season.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on August 18, 2011, 10:19:56 am
This year is toast for Dunn. Write it off as one awful, awful year. All we can do now is hope next year is better.  Much better.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 18, 2011, 10:51:51 am
 Adam Dunn in 2011 is being outslugged by Neifi Perez in Neifi's worst season.

hahah. . .I think that whenever you mention Neifi, you're also required to mention Jose Macias from that great 2005 Cubs team. And yes, he's also being outslugged by Macias in Jose's worst full season.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 18, 2011, 11:36:54 am
Write it off as one awful, awful year.  All we can do now is hope next year is better.

I dunno, I'm having Nick Swisher flashbacks here, which entails a buy-high, sell-low transaction and us watching in disgust as he regains his form clubbing the ball with another team.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on August 18, 2011, 11:42:46 am
Yet our hitting coach still has a job...

Greg Walker and Jim Hendry must have identical embarrassing photos of upper management.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on August 19, 2011, 12:59:00 am
Adam Dunn is currently being outslugged by Juan Pierre and Brent Morel!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on August 19, 2011, 07:22:30 am
...and every other hitter on the White Sox.

Yes, he's our "power hitter."

Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on August 19, 2011, 09:13:52 am
...and every other hitter on the White Sox.

Yes, he's our "power hitter."

Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.

He's currently on a 3-game hitting streak. That is a positive sign. He hasn't shown a consistent ability to hit all year, so maybe he's starting to get it figured out.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 19, 2011, 02:48:46 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-humber-on-dl-kinney-promoted-from-charlotte-20110819,0,2668907.story


I can't wait for this new guy to get shelled:  "Oh my god, they killed Kinney! (You bastards)"
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on August 19, 2011, 04:44:58 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-humber-on-dl-kinney-promoted-from-charlotte-20110819,0,2668907.story


I can't wait for this new guy to get shelled:  "Oh my god, they killed Kinney! (You bastards)"

I'd like one of those shirts...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on August 19, 2011, 08:50:38 pm
...and every other hitter on the White Sox.

Yes, he's our "power hitter."

Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.

He's currently on a 3-game hitting streak. That is a positive sign. He hasn't shown a consistent ability to hit all year, so maybe he's starting to get it figured out.

And if i'm not mistaken hes started at 1st each of those games...Why the F didnt we try this 3 months ago?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on August 19, 2011, 08:58:57 pm
Because PK is a much better 1Bman.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on August 19, 2011, 09:05:58 pm
I'd rather take that little hit on defense then the blackhole that has been AD in the lineup.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on August 20, 2011, 07:43:58 am
Eventhough Dunn is at least getting a hit or two, his power production as a 1Bman is attrocious. Were he hitting doubles or HRs then I could validate your premise, but I cant. He flat out stinks whether as a DH or as a 1Bman.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on August 20, 2011, 12:59:56 pm
I think KW might have been a little too candid:

"I've made no secret about it," Williams said of Hahn, who's in his 11th season with the Sox. "Rick Hahn is, to me, one of the most qualified men to assume the position moving forward.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 21, 2011, 03:29:07 pm
Interesting to see what is in the White Sox players' "Favorite Things" baskets (White Sox wives' basket auction).
 
http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/community/baskets.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/community/baskets.jsp)
 
Kudos to Gavin Floyd for the inclusion of NY Times Crossword Puzzles books, and Jesse Crain for a bottle of La Crema red and other wine-related stuff.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on August 21, 2011, 04:29:52 pm
I think KW might have been a little too candid:

"I've made no secret about it," Williams said of Hahn, who's in his 11th season with the Sox. "Rick Hahn is, to me, one of the most qualified men to assume the position moving forward.

If Rick Hahn gets a GM job in Chicago I hope its here with the Sox.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 21, 2011, 06:21:00 pm
La Crema red


Is that any good?   The wife likes the Chard, so by default, I like the Chard.


Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 21, 2011, 06:49:28 pm
I'm just guessing, because all I've had is the Chard too!
 
Your wife has good taste. . . . at least in wine. LULZ
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on August 22, 2011, 11:14:00 am
The Matt Thornton basket offers an "on-field photo with Matt in September"... gee, I've got to get my bid in NOW.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on August 22, 2011, 11:31:44 am
I bet JP would love to have that opportunity :)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on August 22, 2011, 02:29:42 pm
Seriously, picking up Carlos Zambrano to DH would be an improvement over Dunn.

Especially considering that the Cubs wouldbe paying that inflated salary instead of us.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2011, 08:58:36 pm
The Sox are expected to bring up outfielder Dayan Viciedo and right-hander Shane Lindsay, and possibly left-hander Hector Santiago and shortstop Eduardo Escobar when rosters are expanded Sept. 1.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on August 25, 2011, 11:38:28 pm
Does Escobar look like a realistic major league prospect?   Alexei is a fine SS for a major league team with a lot of talent, but not exactly a cornerstone piece.  He might be a decent surprise trade candidate.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 26, 2011, 12:34:07 am
Should have kept him at 2B.  He ain't no shortstop.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on August 26, 2011, 07:17:01 am
Should have kept him at 2B.  He ain't no shortstop.

I think he's a fantastic shortstop... when he wants to be.

His nonchalance kills me.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on August 26, 2011, 10:51:09 am
His nonchalance kills me.

Which is precisely what makes him "not-a-shortstop."  It's a positiion that affords very little latitude to sacrifice the mental game for physical ability.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on August 27, 2011, 10:57:24 pm
I think it's time to stop running the "All In" ads.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on August 27, 2011, 11:11:58 pm
I think it's time for any season tag lines to go away.  They're almost never accurate and always lame.  You listening, Brooks?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 28, 2011, 04:40:28 pm
It's foolish to market "winning"... something beyond their control.   They should market things they can deliver on, like "fun" and 'entertainment".

Oh, wait...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 29, 2011, 09:28:44 am
FOOD! We have it! It's not bad!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on August 30, 2011, 05:31:57 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkcIPAAHCHItjdg6al95pEMRvLYF?slug=ys-accuscore_mlb_playoff_projections_082911

We still have almost a 5 percent chance.  C'mon, folks.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on August 30, 2011, 09:01:39 am
We still have almost a 5 percent chance. 

Winner.

"White Sox Baseball: We have a 5% chance"
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 30, 2011, 09:11:48 am


There’s growing suspicion the curtain is about to close on either manager Ozzie Guillen or general manager Ken Williams — or maybe both.

A major-league source told the Sun-Times that the fragile relationship between Guillen and Williams is now beyond repair.






http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7354760-419/ozzie-guillen-sounds-off-on-season-ken-williams-marlins.html
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on August 30, 2011, 10:29:40 am


There’s growing suspicion the curtain is about to close on either manager Ozzie Guillen or general manager Ken Williams — or maybe both.

A major-league source told the Sun-Times that the fragile relationship between Guillen and Williams is now beyond repair.






http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7354760-419/ozzie-guillen-sounds-off-on-season-ken-williams-marlins.html

I still think Ozzie is a decent manager and I think he'll win another ring, somewhere. 

That said, I wouldn't have a big problem with both Kenny and Ozzie being gone.

But if only one of them is ousted, I hope it's Kenny.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on August 30, 2011, 10:38:32 am
...so if Ozzie gets traded to the Marlins, who could we expect to get in return?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on August 30, 2011, 11:02:01 am
I hope that its kenny that gets to the unemployment line and not ozzie.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on August 30, 2011, 11:51:03 am
If only one goes, I too wish it were Kenny.   Lately I've been thinking I wouldn;t miss Ozzie too much, but I fear for who they would hire in his stead.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on August 30, 2011, 12:10:28 pm
Greg Walker.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: PeteWard on September 10, 2011, 04:50:14 pm
Peavy shut down for the year.

Guess we are officially "All Out!"
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 10, 2011, 07:08:03 pm
...so if Ozzie gets traded to the Marlins, who could we expect to get in return?

I'd be sad to see Ozzie go, but an Ozzie Guillen &  Carlos Quentin trade to the Marlins for Mike Stanton would help me quickly get over it. However, I don't think the Marlins want Ozzie that bad that they would make the trade. 

Realistically, if Ozzie has to go,  I'd settle with left-handed outfielder Logan Morrison for Ozzie. Straight up. No Quentin included in the deal.  I'd trade Quentin elsewhere this off-season to help reduce the payroll as I'm expecting him to receive around $7.5M from arbitration in the off-season. Morrison is a younger, left-handed version of Quentin who would provide power if Dunn doesn't bounce back next season.  BTW, Logan  Morrison is the player the Marlins sent down to the minors last month not because of his performance but because they didn't like his 'tweets' on twitter. 

Mike Stanton's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stantmi03.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stantmi03.shtml)

Logan Morrison's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrilo01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrilo01.shtml)

Carlos Quentin's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quentca01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quentca01.shtml)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 10, 2011, 11:06:38 pm
First and foremost, managers are not like players... Ozzie can flat out refuse the trade.

The idea that they would give up even Neifi Perez for a manager thats on the bubble at his current job is fantasy at best.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 11, 2011, 06:50:19 am
Why would he refuse the trade? He doesnt want to enter the last year of his contract. Why would he hurt JR by not agreeing to the deal? He has been legislating ro go to the Marlins, like its his long lost love he wants to recapture. He likes the punch and judy style NL ball.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox
Post by: ISF on September 12, 2011, 03:09:53 pm
Rosenthal has a source familiar with the thinking of Ozzie Guillen who has recently dropped his predicted chances of the manager returning to 50-50.


Not surprising. He still continues to chirp about "having to play" Dunn. GM and Manager need to be on the same page. It's clear Ozzie and KW are not.
Time for a change, and Ozzie needs to go first. He can take Walker with him.

If Dunn sucks next year and team continues to underachieve, KW goes and Hahn takes over GM duties.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 12, 2011, 04:34:15 pm
IF ozzie goes... KW better be right there with him, Ozzie isnt doing the one running the farm system and the ML team into the ground with bone head moves.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on September 12, 2011, 04:59:37 pm
IF ozzie goes... KW better be right there with him, Ozzie isnt doing the one running the farm system and the ML team into the ground with bone head moves.

I get that our depth sucks down there. But we're running a lineup onto the field right now that includes Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo and Alexei Ramirez.

The rotation includes John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Zach Stewart, with Sergio Santos and Chris Sale in the bullpen.

That is alot of young, homegrown talent that started in our farm system, be it FA from Cuba, trades or draft.

Hudson, right now, remains the only young player we've traded who looks to be a bad giveaway. And while he had potential, he certainly hadn't lit up the world with the Sox. His resume to that point included 28 Ks to 20 BBs and an ERA near 5. Jake Peavy without the control.

The Rios and Dunn FA contracts are albatrosses at this point. Still think Dunn 2011 mirrors Swisher 2008. Fluke bad year.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 12, 2011, 07:23:26 pm
We gave hudson all of 10 starts before trading him away.

KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.

The list of Craptastic moves made by KW is very very long and they some have been very very expensive.

Ozzie isnt costing the team millions upon millions and still running one of the worst farm teams around and a ML roster riddled with lousy contracts.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on September 12, 2011, 07:56:51 pm
But Ozzie has been working on a team with a large payroll and KW has given him a team built to compete. The fact that some of these guys come here and completely fall apart is telling. And that is on the coaching staff.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on September 13, 2011, 01:05:33 am
Quote
I get that our depth sucks down there. But we're running a lineup onto the field right now that includes Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo and Alexei Ramirez.

The rotation includes John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Zach Stewart, with Sergio Santos and Chris Sale in the bullpen.

That is alot of young, homegrown talent that started in our farm system, be it FA from Cuba, trades or draft.


Well . . .  of 10 guys, only 4 actually started in the Sox' farm system.  And of the other six, only two have spent significant time in the farm system, and by "significant," I mean one year of pitching (Santos).   That doesn't sound like homegrown talent:  it's mostly the Coop effect.

Beckham spent one year in the system, and it's looking like maybe they screwed up on him and should have kept him down longer.  If Morel's OPS stays over .600 for the rest of the year, I'll count him as a success.  Sale may be really good, but he barely got a cup of coffee in our system: a great draft pick: yes.  but not a testimony to player development.   Viciedo:  yes.   Flowers, though obtained through trade, has spent significant time in the Sox' system.

All-in-all, this is really really bad.  And I think Ozzie should go, and Kenny should stay, but my biggest complaint against Williams is that he mainly uses the draft and the minor league system as trade fodder.  It's great that he tends to get better value in return for his trades, but it's his deliberate negligence of player drafting and development that puts our player development in the same league as the Cubs.'
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2011, 07:54:57 am
All-in-all, this is really really bad.  And I think Ozzie should go, and Kenny should stay,

Right so he can trade all our young players and draft picks for more Rios and Peavey type players. Uh, no thanks, hes gotta go. If that pompus POS stays this team will blow.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: dazed63 on September 13, 2011, 11:08:42 am
Kenny is always in "win now" mode.

That has gotten him one WS and one other playoff win.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on September 13, 2011, 12:06:55 pm
http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/9/13/2422125/its-greg-walker-time-for-the-last-time

Basically a quick summary of why Greg Walker should be canned.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on September 13, 2011, 12:50:00 pm
KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.

I will not sit here idly and have Juan Pierre's name sullied.  What's the knock on this trade?  He cost the Sox a few games with some careless errors early on and he's apparently lost a step in his baserunning.  Even so, the guy has hit .280, stole 90 bases, and played a decent LF in his two years here.  Plus he gives %110 percent in everything he does.

And as skeptical as I was about him after listening to Jeter and his Cubfan buddies, he's been a positive to this franchise.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on September 13, 2011, 01:07:23 pm
I thought last year he was OK, but his terrible start, defense, lack of power and SB #s move him to below average this year
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 13, 2011, 01:09:24 pm
I'm sorry i dont know where decent LF play came into this...

Just last nite the tigers announcers were laughing about how hes the only LF in Baseball where a soft hit down the line is a double and not a single... thats not decent play thats bottom of the barrel play.

He shows no power.  while he has stolen 90 bases... his success rate this year is.. 24 out of 39 or 61%.

He had one hell of a year from the SB perspective last year... thats about the only positive hes brought to this team... well that and giving it 110% every time.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on September 13, 2011, 02:18:35 pm
Quote
KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.

At Ozzie's urging, lest we forget!

Ozzie was also the one who didn't want Thome back, opting instead to give those at-bats to Kotsay last year. Worked out great, huh? This team has been so poor fundamentally for several years now and has not come out of the gate ready to play. That, once again, is an indictment on the coaching staff and it starts with Ozzie. It should now end with him.

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2011, 02:40:51 pm
Pierre is the least of this teams problems. To be blaming him is being unrealistic and most likely hateful.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on September 13, 2011, 02:46:04 pm
Call it for what it is, Wshfl...

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Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2011, 04:28:15 pm
Call it for what it is, Wshfl...

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/002/135/sw50sw8sw578.gif?1293729577)

OK. Thats just plain racist!
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 14, 2011, 09:33:58 am
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/5750564897_268b7aa22e_m.jpg)

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/4988029846_bbc8a95e90_m.jpg)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 14, 2011, 09:39:01 am
Cowley:

So by next month, Guillen could indeed be shaking hands with Loria as the Marlins’ new manager.

What does that leave the Sox shaking hands with?

Irrelevancy




http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7643768-419/ozzie-guillen-eyes-end-of-line-with-sox-says-hes-ready-for-anything.html
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 14, 2011, 09:47:34 am
No games against Ozzie in Miami, but we will travel to StL to face Buehrle:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-release-2012-schedule-20110914,0,7798346,full.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on September 14, 2011, 11:30:00 am
Quote
What does that leave the Sox shaking hands with?

Irrelevancy

Because the Sox have been so relevant the past 8 years with Ozzie?  Nice try, Cowley.

Between Ozzie's big mouth and his son's twitter, the only press he brought to the team was negative and embarrassing.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on September 14, 2011, 12:05:07 pm
Who replaces Ozzie?


I hope it's not a guy who talks about "playing the game the right way" unless he's willing to bench guys who don't.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on September 14, 2011, 12:14:39 pm
Another year with no Sox visit to Atlanta.  That'll make it an even decade since they played here.  So much for rotating the teams in interleague play.  Complete bullsh1t.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 14, 2011, 12:44:27 pm
But we have to play the Pirates and/or Dodgers every f'n year.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 14, 2011, 12:46:22 pm
Another year with no Sox visit to Atlanta.  That'll make it an even decade since they played here.  So much for rotating the teams in interleague play.  Complete bullsh1t.

Has it been 10 years already?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on September 14, 2011, 01:28:33 pm
Who replaces Ozzie?


I hope it's not a guy who talks about "playing the game the right way" unless he's willing to bench guys who don't.

Sandy Alomar Jr.

Omar Vizquel.

Aaron Rowand.

Blacksox.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 14, 2011, 02:59:12 pm
Too much travel involved.    But then again, there is free beer in the clubhouse after games....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on September 14, 2011, 03:53:42 pm
In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on September 14, 2011, 04:05:48 pm
In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.

We played? I thought the season was over...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 14, 2011, 07:08:09 pm
Who replaces Ozzie?


I hope it's not a guy who talks about "playing the game the right way" unless he's willing to bench guys who don't.

Probably Mike Quade.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on September 15, 2011, 09:27:56 am
Too much travel involved.    But then again, there is free beer in the clubhouse after games....

Just imagine the talks around the whirlpool.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 15, 2011, 12:07:10 pm
In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.

excellent!  Need a higher draft pick (heh)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on September 15, 2011, 12:55:25 pm
In case it matters to anyone, we blew a 3-run lead in the 9th.

excellent!  Need a higher draft pick (heh)

For what?  So we have a larger pool of more talented players to pass up in favor of "signable" picks?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 20, 2011, 11:38:33 am
A very Rogersian look at the Next Sox manager, complete with some wacky suggestions:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-guillen-la-russa-red-sox-20110920,0,2632183.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 20, 2011, 12:41:13 pm
Don Baylor. Ask Cubbie fans about him. Could be funny.

Speaking of which, why didn't JBN come over here?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on September 20, 2011, 12:46:56 pm
I thought he did, once.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 01:00:49 pm
He was a Cub fan but owned the board. When WC went under and the board was no longer his then it no longer interested him to come here.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 20, 2011, 01:26:08 pm
User stats show hes posted here 5 times... he rarely posted on the other board... and the other board was run by Dave23.... JBN and sailor were just admins for us when it started up...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 03:06:58 pm
The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 20, 2011, 03:36:00 pm
Baseball Prospectus picked the Sox to go 79-83. That would be pretty cool if they nail it. Gotta good chance too.

Not such a great season for close races, but still might be some excitement for the WC in both leagues. Jeez, there's St. Louis again! Thought their season was over.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on September 20, 2011, 04:59:06 pm
The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board

Sailorgirl owned the first board.

After the first (or second?) major meltdown, Dave23 started the "backup board" that eventually became the full-time one... I think.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on September 20, 2011, 05:10:01 pm
Baseball Prospectus picked the Sox to go 79-83. That would be pretty cool if they nail it. Gotta good chance too.

Not such a great season for close races, but still might be some excitement for the WC in both leagues. Jeez, there's St. Louis again! Thought their season was over.

What did they predict for Minnesota?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on September 20, 2011, 05:13:28 pm
A very Rogersian look at the Next Sox manager, complete with some wacky suggestions:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-guillen-la-russa-red-sox-20110920,0,2632183.story

Way to mess up the managers name Phil, jeesh, Ewing, cripes, you just called him McEwing in the same sentence.

It would not be that much of a stretch for Reinsdorf to ask him to manage for one or two years before turning the team over to Joe McEwing, the Sox’s Triple-A manager and a La Russa favorite from Ewing's playing days in St. Louis.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 05:17:14 pm
For my two cents worth. I wouldnt be surprised if Gardy either quits or was fired. If so thats who I'd go after
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: dazed63 on September 20, 2011, 10:15:46 pm
I'd take Gardy.

The problem he would find is the Sox system does not teach fundamental baseball. :)

The base running mistakes alone would give him a heart attack.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on September 21, 2011, 11:52:36 am
The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board

Sailorgirl owned the first board.

After the first (or second?) major meltdown, Dave23 started the "backup board" that eventually became the full-time one... I think.

I think sailor found worstcrossing when the cubbune boards changed format and everyone left cause of it and unbearable host George. So they go way back to the cubbune boards. ( I loved shoe's battles with Irv on the cubbune boards)
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on September 22, 2011, 11:46:17 am
I'd take Gardy.

The problem he would find is the Sox system does not teach fundamental baseball. :)

The base running mistakes alone would give him a heart attack.


You would have thought with all of Ozzie's talk about playing the right way that the system would get engineered to respond, and produce players who could play Ozzie's way.  But when you develop so few players for actual major league spots on your roster, and Ozzie keeps playing guys like Rios no matter how far his head is up his ass, why should they bother to teach fundamentals. 


Maybe a guy like Gardy would come in and say "here's what you need to change with player development to keep me from having a heart attack . . "
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Toker on September 22, 2011, 12:09:31 pm
Sure, but would KW listen to Gardenhire, or anyone else?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on September 22, 2011, 12:51:52 pm
I think KW would listen to someone he respects, yeah. I don't think he respects(respected) Ozzie. I think, and I'm only guessing here, he didn't like the way Ozzie mouthed off ALL the time, how his kids mouthed off all the time, and how Ozzie always seemed to have this air of entitlement about him. Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.

And I don't think Ozzie respected KW either, possibly for similar reasons.  The difference is I don't think Ozzie would really respect any GM with the Sox.

Both really need to go.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on September 22, 2011, 01:31:12 pm
Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.

Yep.  Loyalty to a fault. 

JR, KW, OG - all need to go.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 22, 2011, 01:33:32 pm
It really wouldnt make me sad if Ozzie goes too, but KW has to go. You already have Hahn ready to step in. I wouldnt wait till Hahn finds another job elsewhere
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 22, 2011, 01:59:24 pm
I think KW would listen to someone he respects, yeah. I don't think he respects(respected) Ozzie. I think, and I'm only guessing here, he didn't like the way Ozzie mouthed off ALL the time, how his kids mouthed off all the time, and how Ozzie always seemed to have this air of entitlement about him. Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.

And I don't think Ozzie respected KW either, possibly for similar reasons.  The difference is I don't think Ozzie would really respect any GM with the Sox.

Both really need to go.

I dont think KW respects anyone other them himself... hes comes of as being berry barry arrogant... not that ozzie is much different. I'll bet Ozzie will respect a GM that doesnt draft **** talent...

We're talking about getting Gardy here... Twins have been successful because they always have SOMEONE in the minors at every position to step in... this year not so much but years past they've always had that... what do we have at SS? how about 2b? 3b? cf? lf? rf? C? not much... not much at all. and that falls on the GM.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: SoxRule on September 22, 2011, 03:02:55 pm
Quote
I'll bet Ozzie will respect a GM that doesnt draft **** talent...

I bet that won't make a difference.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 22, 2011, 10:06:11 pm
Hudson, right now, remains the only young player we've traded who looks to be a bad giveaway. And while he had potential, he certainly hadn't lit up the world with the Sox


How can you forget GIO?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on September 24, 2011, 01:17:31 am
If you have an aggressive GM who's always trading prospects for guys who can help now, then losing two prospects who turn out great is not so bad.  Especially if, to be fair, you acknowledge that Kenny relieved other teams of players like Danks, and Floyd, and even Quentin.


That said, he probably feels so free to trade all his prospects because he's go devalued the system.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 24, 2011, 08:44:29 am
If you have an aggressive GM who's always trading prospects for guys who can help now, then losing two prospects who turn out great is not so bad.  Especially if, to be fair, you acknowledge that Kenny relieved other teams of players like Danks, and Floyd, and even Quentin.

What have we won with them? We havent been to the post season in the last 3 years.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 27, 2011, 04:56:42 pm
Coop & Baines got re-upped.  The rest -- adios amigos!


 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 05:19:52 pm
Then it looks like the new manager will be from in house, not outside the organization. A new manager would want his own people
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 27, 2011, 05:39:10 pm
Then it looks like the new manager will be from in house, not outside the organization. A new manager would want his own people

A new manager rarely gets to name all his own coaches. 

Usually a GM picks at least one coach that he knows and trusts to report any 'problems' back to him.  For example, Don Cooper, was a KW pick, not a Ozzie hire.  Even well established managers rarely get to name all their own coaches as Larry Rothschild was a Jim Hendry hire/loyalist and not chosen by Cubs manger Lou Pinella as the pitching coach. 

In the vast majority of MLB clubhouses, at least one coach is or was considered a 'spy' for the GM when he was first hired.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on September 27, 2011, 05:44:53 pm
Good call on those coaches.  Those are the only two worth anything.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Sophist on September 27, 2011, 06:23:32 pm
are you sure its the actual Baines and not the Baines statue that got retained?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 08:38:58 pm
Knowing Reinsy's love for Harold, its not a surprise that Harold is retained. Cant agree that he necessarily deserved to be rehired.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Method on September 27, 2011, 09:05:09 pm
I hope he gets the manager's job. Then Kenny will have no one to blame for his sh1t moves. Baines might also be about the only person in the world to have the patience to deal with KW as his boss... and go through a rebuilding phase.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: msf on September 27, 2011, 09:32:46 pm
are you sure its the actual Baines and not the Baines statue that got retained?

Ha, can you tell the difference?
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Joshpr on September 27, 2011, 10:02:24 pm
Heh
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 08:24:00 am
Haha, one and the same. Hay no diferencia.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on September 28, 2011, 11:53:42 am
Ozzie's departure is a crap ending to a crap season.  I predicted more than once that the Sox wouldn't see .500 this year after all was said and done.

This ball club is not going to win another World Series title until KW is gone, folks.    He is an anchor on this team in the most literal sense.

We might be able to break out the champagne again in, oh, about 2027.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 28, 2011, 12:10:26 pm
For Boat:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-walker-out-as-white-sox-hitting-coach-20110928,0,6792209.story

Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: boatdrink on September 28, 2011, 12:27:11 pm
Too bad it's three years too late...
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: joeconners on September 28, 2011, 12:30:22 pm
Too bad it's three years too late...

With Ozzie and Walker gone, I'm surprised nobody's brought out the brooms yet....
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on September 28, 2011, 01:06:57 pm
I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.

I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox.  I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile. 
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on September 28, 2011, 01:08:21 pm
Gracious, I can't believe Waker was here for 9 very long years.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: aka Loveland on September 28, 2011, 01:17:09 pm
Here, this will make you throw-up.  http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down

  How on earth do we still end up saddled with KW while the media is standing room only to see Ozzie introduced in Florida. 

Blecko again.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Shoeless on September 28, 2011, 01:22:58 pm
I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.

I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox.  I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile.

I think Ozzie had a terrible year managing.  I also grew tired of the drama.  Could well have affected team performance.  But, unless they make the right hire, you could well be right.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: ISF on September 28, 2011, 01:48:38 pm
Here, this will make you throw-up.  http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down

  How on earth do we still end up saddled with KW while the media is standing room only to see Ozzie introduced in Florida. 

Blecko again.

It's like the proverbial train wreck, Loveland.  They show up out of morbid curiosity.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: 4nek8 on September 28, 2011, 02:13:39 pm
I think Ozzie had a terrible year managing.  I also grew tired of the drama.  Could well have affected team performance.  But, unless they make the right hire, you could well be right.

Bingo.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on September 28, 2011, 02:14:25 pm
Here, this will make you throw-up.  http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down

  How on earth do we still end up saddled with KW while the media is standing room only to see Ozzie introduced in Florida. 

Blecko again.

"Williams said he is aware that he also might be the reason there isn't another World Series title on the South Side of Chicago since the club ended an 88-year championship drought in 2005."

Well, duhhh.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 28, 2011, 03:50:11 pm
I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.

I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox.  I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile.

I'm definitely in the "It should have been Kenny instead" camp.   I'm not happy that Ozzie is gone, but not super-bummed either.

The guy I'm fretting about losing is Buehrle.   I don't care that's he's probably not worth $14 million, he's my favorite guy on the team and he can start IMBL anytime.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 28, 2011, 03:54:09 pm
He Ain't Gone:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-harrelson-receives-extension-with-sox-through-2015-20110928,0,803389.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 06:01:02 pm
I don't understand the folks who are all happy that Ozzie is gone.

I stand firmly with Method, Fury and I think Black Sox.  I fear this is a slide into Baseball oblivion for quite awhile.

I'm definitely in the "It should have been Kenny instead" camp.   I'm not happy that Ozzie is gone, but not super-bummed either.

The guy I'm fretting about losing is Buehrle.   I don't care that's he's probably not worth $14 million, he's my favorite guy on the team and he can start IMBL anytime.

I have firmly been in the fire KW camp along with Method
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 06:05:00 pm
I also agree that without the right managerial hire this team could be headed into a serious decline. You need a Gardy or someone of that caliber to run this team
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 29, 2011, 09:39:52 am
There was a bit of history made this season. Ladies and gentlemen, your new White Sox single season strikeout king: Adam Dunn, with 177, surpassing Dave Nicholson's 175 in 1964.


Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 29, 2011, 09:45:08 am
From the "Adam Dunn Sucks" Facebook page:

He actually did not "qualify" for the lowest batting average in baseball history, being that he only had 496 overall plate appearances. However, taking in consideration that even if he had another 6 plate appearances to give him 502 and went 6 for 6 (ha-ha!) that would have only raised his overall average to .171, still .008 points behind Rob Deer's .179.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: Fury on September 29, 2011, 09:50:23 am
I wouldn't be surprised if Dunn hits .270 and smacks 40 HRs next year.

I also wouldn't be surprised if he hits .170 again.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 29, 2011, 10:03:38 am
He actually did not "qualify" for the lowest batting average in baseball history, being that he only had 496 overall plate appearances.

Think that was by design?   To have some empathy for that fat bastard?  If so, weak.     
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 29, 2011, 10:05:00 am
After seeing Don Cooper's two post-game pressers, I got to admit I wouldn't mind if he got Ozzie's job.   He'd be a hell of a lot more interestiung than Sandy Jr or Cindy's buddy.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 29, 2011, 10:07:32 am
Before anyone defends Ozzie's managing this year TOO much:

August 31: 9th inning, Ozzie pinch hits Adam Dunn for Brent Lillibridge. Dunn was 0 for 2 lifetime against Joe Nathan. Lillibridge was 1 for 1 against Nathan, a 2-run homer......and Lillibridge on this day was 1 for 3 with a 2-run homer.

That move really sticks in my craw.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: BlackSox on September 29, 2011, 10:10:15 am
Juan Pierre tied A.J. Pierzynski for fourth on the team with 50 RBIs.

Beast Mode, b*tches


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-rest-then-major-retooling-ahead-for-sox-following-7983-season-20110928,0,706699.story
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 29, 2011, 10:31:19 am
We may just need a Juan Pierre Mega-Retrospective: Images From Two Glorious Seasons.

And yes, I've saved them on Flickr. Bitches.
Title: Re: 2011 White Sox / Sox Manglement
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 30, 2011, 02:07:08 am
The 2011 season is now offically over for the White Sox so this topic is now closed and locked.  A 2012 White Sox / Sox Management topic will return in its place starting with the opening of Spring Training in February 2012.  Until then, please use the new Offseason 2011-12 topic to post.
Title: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 09, 2011, 12:04:08 am
We'll open this topic up earlier that planned due to JoeyCub's request.

Let's try to keep this topic limited to White Sox talk only and use the Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League for discussion of the other 29 teams.

When pitcher and catchers report to camp in February, we'll close the Around Baseball/ HSL topic and replace it with a Spring Training - 2012 topic.

Is this satisfactory Joey?

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2011, 08:05:39 am
No complaints here....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on December 09, 2011, 09:58:48 am
Well I already have some complaints about the 2012 version of the Chicago American League baseball club.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on December 11, 2011, 06:10:04 pm
Quote
Well I already have some complaints about the 2012 version of the Chicago American League baseball club.

You mean, (broadcaster voice on) Your Fifth-Place 2012 Chicago White Sox?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on December 12, 2011, 10:45:12 am
Your Fifth-Place 2012 Chicago White Sox?

At this point its entirely possible from my viewpoint
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2011, 05:32:16 am
Finally some good news from 35th and Veeck Drive!

or is it good news as it make Danks 'more tradeable' just like giving Santos the extension did in late September.


Quote

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-10/65764253.jpg)

Danks agrees to 5-year, $65 million deal with Sox
Left-hander now can be anchor for rebuilding movement

After losing ace Mark Buehrle and trading closer Sergio Santos, White Sox general manager Ken Williams labeled his White Sox as being in "rebuilding" mode.

If so, then he has the foundation for the project after agreeing with John Danks on a five-year, $65-million contract Wednesday that multiple outlets have confirmed. The deal will not become official until after Christmas when the left-hander passes a physical exam.

And while the contract could make it easier to trade Danks, it seems likely Williams, who didn't' return text messages, will use him as a centerpiece in a makeover to a cheaper, younger team.

more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1222-danks-white-sox-chicago--20111222,0,2242728.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1222-danks-white-sox-chicago--20111222,0,2242728.story)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on December 22, 2011, 08:06:17 am
I am almost about to break down and cry in tears..

I'm glad we kept him... and now MB's contract does look ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 22, 2011, 09:11:51 am
Wow, nice move, hard to believe.  Let MB move on, make Danks the new stud LH and let Sale take over Danks spot. I sorta like it, despite losing Buehrle.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on December 22, 2011, 11:49:22 am
I bet that contact is heavily backloaded.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on December 22, 2011, 02:06:34 pm
Rebuilding? No...

http://danny-knobler.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/8590096/33992280
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 22, 2011, 03:39:16 pm
This really surprised me

"Danks joined Tommy Thomas (1926-31) as the only pitchers in franchise history to make at least 25 starts in each of his first five seasons. "

I also love what I read in what ISF posted

"Third, the word in both the international scouting community and among White Sox people is that the Sox could be very involved in the bidding for 26-year-old Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes, who should become a free agent next month."
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 22, 2011, 03:53:43 pm
Lets see...

Rotation: Danks, Floyd, Peavy (one more year removed from surgery, sometimes that is very key), Humber and Sale. Not great, but pretty solid assuming Peavy is ok and Sale comes thru to at least finish something like 10-10. If Peavy fully recovers, it is possible, then I like our staff very much. I really think Humber will stay solid. He was once the 3rd choice in the draft, and he looked like it last season.

Pen: Let Addison Reed close. Thornton, Crain, Fraser and Ohman are pretty solid setup men. Could use one more solid pen guy. Axelrod maybe, tho I would like to see him continue as a starter. Maybe we get that one Rule V kid back if Twins do not keep him (course that means he would have had to sucked in ST). Maybe the kid we got for Sanchez can relieve, but I think they want him to start in AAA if nothing more than to get him some innings (he is another ex position player)

I would like to see us spend the cashola to get the Cuban outfielder, Cespedes. He might be able to start. Hey, if we do not spend on the draft, I would not mind as long as we spent on even more sure things from Cuba or elsewhere in the Carribbean. Especially these Cuban guys, they are typically older and more major league ready than the other types that some clubs spend their money on.

OK, that is all I can type, the buzz is wearing off now.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on December 22, 2011, 04:05:37 pm
If humber falters i'd guess the the guy we got for santos steps in?

Still worried about us screwing up sale... starter/ to bullpen to starter no bueno.

Bullpen is looking rough... i dont see thorny starting the year with us.. think thats one spot KW can cut some $$$.

Cespedes might not be a bad get but if hes looking for 32/4 thats a pretty steep price.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2011, 04:33:38 pm
I have zero faith in Humber. He just didnt have it after once around the league. I expect more of the same this year
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2011, 04:37:21 pm
If Cepedes is a RFer I say go for it. Cant be any worse there than Quentin.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2011, 05:02:42 pm

Still worried about us screwing up sale... starter/ to bullpen to starter no bueno.



Didn't seem to negatively affect a guy named Buehrle eleven years ago.

Bigger worry on Sale is his unorthodox delivery, not moving from starter to bullpen to starter.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 22, 2011, 06:05:13 pm
Yeah, I like seeing a kid pitch a year or two in relief and then step into the rotation. Astros used to do that and those guys were ready by that time, and they had learned how to pitch out of situations.

Humber did not do that poorly after his first time thru the league.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on December 22, 2011, 06:07:59 pm
Yeap... 3rd time thru... but one can argue thats fatigue.

With sale thats my issue... dont think that delivery will stand up to starting... and we didnt help him by moving him back and forth in roles
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2011, 06:20:28 pm
What was Humber's ERA prior to the All Star break compared to the last half?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2011, 06:31:33 pm
Yeah, I like seeing a kid pitch a year or two in relief and then step into the rotation. Astros used to do that and those guys were ready by that time, and they had learned how to pitch out of situations.


The New York Mets did it too in the late '60s.  Took a 22-year old kid pitcher who started 18 out of 21 games for them in '68 and moved him into the bullpen for most of the '69 season including the post-season.  They went on to win the World Series that year.  BTW, the kid pitcher who moved from starter to bullpen and back to starter was Nolan Ryan.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on December 22, 2011, 07:01:45 pm
excellent example andy.... chris sale is nolan ryan!

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on December 22, 2011, 09:44:07 pm
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excellent example andy.... chris sale is nolan ryan!

Chris Sale is an arrogant a-hole who never won anything except as a reliever, who pads his own stats while putting himself before his team? 

God, I hope not.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 22, 2011, 11:39:35 pm
Chris Sale is an arrogant a-hole who never won anything except as a reliever, who pads his own stats while putting himself before his team? 

God, I hope not.

 
Saw THAT coming.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 23, 2011, 07:10:23 am
excellent example andy.... chris sale is nolan ryan!



Never said or implied that Chris Sale would turn into Nolan Ryan. I'd be surprised and more than thrilled if the CWS got 70 wins over the next 5 years out of Chris Sale before he reaches free agency.  If he even lasts that long without a major elbow injury.  I expect with safety in mind, the CWS will try to limit Chris Sale to somewhere between 150-175 innings pitched in the 2012 season due to his one year layoff from starting.

I just used Ryan & Buehrle as examples on how the switch from starter to reliever back to starter doesn't negatively affect a pitcher. Ferguson Jenkins is another guy that started his ML career in the bullpen before he was put in the starting rotation full-time.  He had a very long and productive relatively injury-free career like Buehrle and Ryan.

Sale's unorthodox delivery should be the concern on his longevity as a MLB pitcher.  Not the switch from starter to reliever to starter.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 23, 2011, 07:49:07 am
and Method, you keep saying we have switched him back and forth, we have not, he has been in the pen since we drafted him. Don't worry so much about his delivery, it works for him.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on December 23, 2011, 08:26:05 am
Well I worry about his delivery. Sure it HAS worked for him, but he never threw 200 innings with it either. Thats a lot of stress on that shoulder and arm. But there are exceptions to rules. Just because some pitchers have had arm and shoulder problems doesnt necessarily mean Sale will too. But that being said, it certainly is a cause for concern. Even as great as Kerry Wood WAS as a starter, he has found that he cant put all that stress on his arm and needs to be a one inning pitcher. I guess we just have to hope he doesnt have arm/shoulder trouble.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on December 23, 2011, 11:34:35 am
I thought they had tried to stretch him out last spring as well...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 23, 2011, 11:49:38 am
I thought they had tried to stretch him out last spring as well...

They did and it was the original plan to make him a starter in 2011. 

However Humber's performance in spring training gave them 5+ candidates for the rotation without Sale (Buehrle, Jackson, Danks, Floyd, Humber and a late returning Peavy). 

Add to it that their primary 8th inning lefty (Thornton) was scheduled to move into the closer roll leaving only one other lefty in the bullpen (Ohman) made it more necessary to keep Sale in the bullpen. 

It's not that Sale wasn't capable to start, it was he was needed more in the bullpen. 

That's pretty much the same thought the Mets had in '69 with Ryan. 

Ryan was more than ready to start but the Mets 4-man rotation was solid and he filled in a big hole in the bullpen.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 10, 2012, 10:42:01 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-soxrangers-will-be-primetime-on-april-8-20120110,0,2579002.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 12, 2012, 09:52:29 am
ok, I am going to make my 1012 prediction.

Addison Reed is in the top 3 for AL ROY voting.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on January 12, 2012, 10:09:23 am
hmmm... interesting.. i didnt think they played baseball back then... but alright :P
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 12, 2012, 10:19:33 am
Quote
hmmm... interesting.. i didnt think they played baseball back then... but alright

The 1012 World Series was played between the Reykjavik Norsemen (with Leif Ericson pitching) and the Winchester Hesitators (led by Aethelred the Unready).

The Norsemen, wielding battle-axes, chopped down the Englishmen in five games.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 12, 2012, 10:34:49 am
damn it all to hell
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 12, 2012, 10:39:28 am
Fury, its been alledged that Winchester threw the series -- many believe the Templar Knights were behind it (they made a killing betting on the games).

As a baseball historian, I thought you knew that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2012, 11:06:17 am
Good job guys. LOL
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 13, 2012, 11:46:34 pm
White Sox released their 2012 promotional schedule a week ago. 

The camouflage hat that they're giving away in mid-August seems appropriate since they should be 15+ games under .500 by then:

(http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-8821020t130.gif)

(Note: For illustration purposes only. This is not a photo of the actual giveaway cap.)

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120105&content_id=26268820&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120105&content_id=26268820&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)

 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 16, 2012, 09:06:36 am
ain't nothing that doesn't go with camouflage
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 16, 2012, 05:36:21 pm
Camo goes well with any clothing item that's dirty.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 19, 2012, 09:50:37 am
Good article in BA on Sox needing to get with the rest of the folks and recruit Latin America better.

Here is the link   http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/majors/news/2012/2612803.html

Here is a few hilites, did not know that Krauss did sign someone in his short time.

A veteran scout familiar with the inner workings of the White Sox and the Dominican said that trainers wouldn't even bring players to Sox camps in the last decade because their offers would pale in comparison to signing bonuses offered by other teams. As teams spent more money in the Caribbean, the Sox were more content to invest their money in U.S. amateur talent, though they have rarely spent over the recommended slot for draft picks in the past 10 years.

...

Krause brought in respected scout Pablo Cruz, who signed Aramis Ramirez during his tenure with the Pirates, and his first big sign was 6-foot-7 lefthander Jefferson Olacio for $125,000. But Cruz left a few months after joining the team and Krause resigned after less than a year to join the Diamondbacks as a special assistant.

...

"We're able to add a guy who has proven himself to be very capable of bringing major league talent to the forefront and has already started down that road," Williams said of Paddy, who signed Cuban shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria, two-time Futures Game pitcher Henderson Alvarez and Venezuelan catcher Carlos Perez. Under Paddy's watch and with a healthy international signing budget, the Blue Jays added some of the top players on the international market last year, including Mexican righthander Roberto Osuna, Venezuelan outfielders Wuilmer Becerra and Jesus Gonzalez, and Dominican shortstop Dawel Lugo.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 02:19:28 pm
Quote

(http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/22531475.jpg)

Feeling fresh, Pierzynski not thinking farewell
Catcher anticipates playing beyond 2012, his 15th MLB season


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/23/12 2:33 PM EST


CHICAGO -- The 2012 campaign marks the 15th big league season for A.J. Pierzynski, his 12th full one.

Despite Pierzynski having endured the bumps and bruises of catching at least 1,000 innings for 10 straight seasons, making him the only active backstop to accomplish such a feat, while knocking out 1,512 hits and 128 home runs, the 35-year-old has no intention of making this upcoming year his last in the Majors.

"I would love to keep playing," Pierzynski told MLB.com during a recent phone interview from his Florida home. "Physically, I feel great. I feel as good this winter as I have in a long time. "There are no physical limitations on anything, and I'm happy to be able to go out and play. I'm fortunate that I've done the things I've done. I haven't been beat up. I would love to finish my career with the White Sox."

more at:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120123&content_id=26438334&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120123&content_id=26438334&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 02:33:08 pm
Quote

(http://www.csnchicago.com/sportsnetChicago/search/thumbnails/cached_media/0005/0005691/0005691292/images/thumb.jpg)

Morel entering 2012 in new comfort zone

By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/18/12 5:08 PM EST


CHICAGO -- Spring Training 2012 should be a decidedly different experience for Brent Morel from Spring Training 2011.

Morel arrived in Glendale, Ariz., last February ready to partake in a third-base position battle with veteran Mark Teahen. Because of the fact that Morel was pretty much limited to playing third base defensively, the talented 24-year-old wasn't even guaranteed a roster spot.

Not only did Morel win that starting nod, with Teahen eventually being traded to the Blue Jays, but he finished off a fairly solid first full season in the big leagues. Morel's stellar defense never was a question, but he added a .245 average, 10 home runs and 41 RBIs from the bottom of the order.

more at:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26382046&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26382046&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 23, 2012, 02:46:31 pm
Encouraging headline on Pierzynski; there's nothing worse than having that not-so-fresh feeling.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 23, 2012, 03:50:55 pm
Sox add 18 to Spring Training roster:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-sox-add-18-to-spring-training-roster-20120123,0,2037241.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 23, 2012, 03:52:03 pm
Sox promote Buddy Bell, 2 others:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-sox-promote-bell-capra-champion-in-player-development-department-20120123,0,3992701.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 23, 2012, 03:56:19 pm
Y'know, what we need on the Sox are eight more .245 hitters, like Morel.  Yeah.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 24, 2012, 11:03:44 am
Jake speaks:

http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/whitesox-talk/post/Peavy-ready-for-bounce-back-season?blockID=636866&feedID=10338&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 24, 2012, 11:58:22 am
Actually, I have less optimism for a "bounce back" from Peavy than I do for Dunn.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2012, 06:52:28 pm
And I am hearing a bunch of anti-Coop stuff too
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on January 24, 2012, 08:04:53 pm
When the Sox are in contention AJ is rock solid and locked in.

When they slip out, he goes through the motions.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 25, 2012, 09:52:38 am
TRIGGER!


Andy, why are my and Trigger's avs so small? That's some kind of BS.

I did try reloading it.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on January 25, 2012, 09:56:10 am
Theirs are portrait and yours is landscape..
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 25, 2012, 10:11:41 am
It was fine before Method. Flickr doesn't have a way to specify that. I also tried uploading from my computer. Any idea on a fix?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 25, 2012, 12:47:00 pm


White Sox signed left-hander Scott Olsen to a minor league contract, ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick tweets. The deal includes a 2013 option.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/white-sox-sign-scott-olsen.html


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 25, 2012, 06:06:01 pm
Ugh:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-to-wear-1972-red-throwback-jersey-for-sunday-home-games-20120125,0,1936476.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 25, 2012, 08:44:49 pm
It was fine before Method. Flickr doesn't have a way to specify that. I also tried uploading from my computer. Any idea on a fix?

Possibly has something to do with the latest C-A-F upgrade as I see my avatar is now also smaller. 

That's also now the case for my avatar on three other C-A-F boards (Dave23's BBF, World Today and Phill23's Chicago Bulls Central).  All of them now display reduced size avatars.


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 25, 2012, 09:49:27 pm
Quote

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2012-01/334363200-25151353.jpg)

Sox in line for final push for Cespedes?

By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 4:48 p.m. CST, January 25, 2012

Along with telephone calls by Cuban native Dayan Viciedo, the Chicago White Sox have several elements that can't hurt their chances of landing free agent outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.

Cespedes, 26, was granted free agency Wednesday by Major League Baseball after establishing residency in the Dominican Republic. Cespedes' decision could come down to money, but the Sox are well-equipped to provide a comfort zone for him, according to an international talent evaluator from another American League team.

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-in-line-for-final-push-for-cespedes-20120125,0,5809069.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-in-line-for-final-push-for-cespedes-20120125,0,5809069.story)



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 26, 2012, 09:39:31 am
Why would one need a larger avatar?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2012, 12:10:48 pm
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-bad-offseason-gets-worse-for-white-sox-20120125,0,5169054.column

So, you get the idea, the whole thing reeks. It’s aggravating in some ways, pitiable in others, and don’t forget hopeless. This has been some offseason for the second baseball team in town. Geez, this has been some week, and it’s only half-over.

Tell you what, if they really wanted to create a buzz for SoxFest, they’d introduce Theo Epstein.


Haha thats telling them. LOL ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 26, 2012, 12:28:59 pm
Guillen followed with tweets that indicated he would empty the magazine that is his mouth when he came to Chicago. The Chairman didn’t want to continue that tiresome crap, so he tried to stanch it by releasing a statement pardoning Guillen, who might not have quit on the team the way everybody thinks, but he certainly made it all about his contract selfishness a month earlier when the Sox were facing their last best chance to have a season.

So, that’s how the week of SoxFest began, with the Sox running for cover, and now we know that management can’t play defense any better than the guys in uniform do.


Heh
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 26, 2012, 01:12:30 pm
Quote
Ugh:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-to-wear-1972-red-throwback-jersey-for-sunday-home-games-20120125,0,1936476.story

I agree, yecch.  During the red-and-white uniform years, I always wondered if the White Sox were trying to be the Red Sox.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on January 26, 2012, 01:13:38 pm
Wow, all kinds of stupid in that article:

Tell you what, if they really wanted to create a buzz for SoxFest, they’d introduce Theo Epstein.

Why, so we can have a GM that overloads our team with bad contracts? We already have that. Or someone who's won a world series in the last decade? We have that too. Sure, Theo's Red Sox won 2 WS but he also had one more thing our GM doesn't have: a massive payroll to work with.

Before last season, the Red Sox had a team that almost everyone thought was headed to the World Series with Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Lackey, Lester, Papelbon, etc. They started off slow then got back on track and built a very comfortable wild card lead. And then there was a collapse of epic proportions that basically ran the "great" Theo Epstein out of town. Why does everyone want that so badly?

and now we know that management can’t play defense any better than the guys in uniform do.

Not sure I get this statement. Is he saying it was a bad thing that Reinsdorf tried to fan the flames because our moronic ex-manager can't ever keep his big mouth shut and perpetually acts like a 5-yr old?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 26, 2012, 01:14:21 pm
I just checked the 2012 schedule, and sure enough, there will be two Red Sox teams playing each other at the Cell on Sunday, April 29.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on January 26, 2012, 01:18:57 pm
Wow, all kinds of stupid in that article:

Tell you what, if they really wanted to create a buzz for SoxFest, they’d introduce Theo Epstein.

Why, so we can have a GM that overloads our team with bad contracts? We already have that. Or someone who's won a world series in the last decade? We have that too. Sure, Theo's Red Sox won 2 WS but he also had one more thing our GM doesn't have: a massive payroll to work with.

Before last season, the Red Sox had a team that almost everyone thought was headed to the World Series with Adrian Gonzalez, Carl Crawford, Lackey, Lester, Papelbon, etc. They started off slow then got back on track and built a very comfortable wild card lead. And then there was a collapse of epic proportions that basically ran the "great" Theo Epstein out of town. Why does everyone want that so badly?

and now we know that management can’t play defense any better than the guys in uniform do.

Not sure I get this statement. Is he saying it was a bad thing that Reinsdorf tried to fan the flames because our moronic ex-manager can't ever keep his big mouth shut and perpetually acts like a 5-yr old?

Whitesox have had a top 5-8 payroll for 7 years running... so thats a craptastic excuse. how many bad contracts do the bosox have? the collapse drove francona out of town... theo did his job.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on January 26, 2012, 01:43:08 pm
the collapse drove francona out of town... theo did his job.

Just like KW did his job! How can you possibly think that way about Epstein (that the problems weren't his fault when he was the one who put that team together) yet villify Williams?? They did the same things!!!!!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on January 26, 2012, 01:55:23 pm
no no they didnt... one got adrian gonzalez when he was 27... the other got a 32 year old adam dunn...

thats not even close to the same thing.

One built a consistant winner with a stocked farm system.. the other tries to catch lighting in a pan and has no clue how to build a farm system.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 26, 2012, 02:47:42 pm
in a pan?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 26, 2012, 02:54:18 pm
I recommend against using a pan to catch lightning.

However, one can have a flash in a bottle.  But its not easy.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on January 26, 2012, 03:11:20 pm
However, one can have a flash in a bottle.  But its not easy.

Lol!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on January 26, 2012, 03:43:12 pm
in a pan... since he seems to get electrocuted often.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 26, 2012, 03:44:22 pm
Ha yeah, be careful with that flash in a bottle or you'll be up a tree without a paddle.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 09:05:56 pm
Quote

(http://www.tremendousupsidepotential.com/assets_c/2009/06/beckham2-thumb-500x568-10069.jpg)

Beckham feeling good heading into new year

By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/26/12 4:19 PM EST


CHICAGO -- Over the course of Gordon Beckham's 2011 offensive struggles, amateur hitting coaches around Chicago and across the Internet dissected Beckham's plate approach against his better times dating back even to his Georgia days.

The general consensus arrived at from studying video or simple screen grabs was that Beckham had developed a hitch in his swing leading to his downfall. That theory was quickly shot down by Beckham when the idea was presented prior to the start of this weekend's SoxFest.

"No, that's not the case," said Beckham, speaking to MLB.com during a meet-and-greet at Hub 51 to celebrate the 2011 success with his Out of the Park for Parkinson's charity in association with the National Parkinson Foundation.

more at:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26479842&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26479842&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 09:14:23 pm
Ugh:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-to-wear-1972-red-throwback-jersey-for-sunday-home-games-20120125,0,1936476.story

If the White Sox plan to wear the '72 uniforms at all their Sunday home games, they really should go 'All In' and wear the '72 away versions on Sundays road games too:

(http://blog.mitchellandness.com/image.axd?picture=2010%2f5%2fdick+allen.jpg)



Hope they bring back the '72 socks to wear along with the Sunday home unis.  Of course with the new style of wearing their pants down and covering the socks, they'll be barely noticeable:

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lntcaoq0gB1qk9es5o1_500.jpg)

This Dick Allen photo shows some of the '72 socks:

(http://franchises1970s.com/DickAllen.jpg)






Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2012, 10:15:24 pm
Yup there he is. Dick Allen. Interesting homies at home and roadies on the road each Sunday
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 10:21:39 pm
As long as MLB doesn't bring back the 1999 'Turn Ahead the Clock' Day promotion, I won't mind the CWS using the '72 jerseys on Sunday.

In case you forgot, the 1999 TATC jersey looked like this:

(http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/pics/43008_02_lg.jpg)

(http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/pics/43008_03_lg.jpg)

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008 (http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t301/arock12/21252_01_lg.jpg)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t301/arock12/jersey.jpg)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t301/arock12/June08265.jpg)

other MLB teams wore:

http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008 (http://www.americanmemorabilia.com/Auction_Item.asp?Auction_ID=43008)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2526/3830575120_af4e56c8de_o.png)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3443/3803913295_6be7845cd4.jpg)

(http://i35.tinypic.com/xarhv5.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/fizzjob/TATC_15_19990918_RedSox.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1272/989635709_46cca0367c_o.jpg)

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1245/990487146_305f806837.jpg)

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t301/arock12/GameUsed027.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-2gf151WQ-A/TJ4LzoXFZBI/AAAAAAAACKQ/tnoyDap_LE8/s1600/bad-pirates-uniform.jpg)

(http://www.marlinsdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/turntheclockahead.jpg)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/004/611/royals_display_image.jpg?1307809397)

(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/860/938/kcroyals_display_image.jpg?1302788766)

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Sv2kdfzI2zo/TI-pr_uVO6I/AAAAAAAAAKg/LZiTsxsUWT8/s1600/pirates+turn+ahead.jpg)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Sv2kdfzI2zo/TI-plKn-VUI/AAAAAAAAAKY/Vkh9s6-g8eQ/s1600/milwaukee+turn+ahead+the+clock.jpg)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2012, 10:23:09 pm
I wonder if that was Brooks's idea
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2012, 10:25:33 pm
Those were hideous
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 27, 2012, 07:53:17 am
They still are.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 27, 2012, 10:32:54 am
Horrific.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 27, 2012, 12:00:52 pm
Even with that slow start, Ventura tabbed Thornton on Thursday as his leading 2012 closer candidate over rookie Addison Reed and Jesse Crain.

"I'm leaning on Matt doing that," Ventura said. "I don't think those type of things are concrete. I would like to see him do that, but we'll see how that goes in Spring Training with him and how he feels."



NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 27, 2012, 12:33:18 pm
Appreciate Blown Saves.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 27, 2012, 12:45:43 pm
Heh.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 27, 2012, 12:54:32 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/8470/ventura-hints-at-plans-for-2012-season

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 27, 2012, 01:33:18 pm
Some people have to learn the hard way and Ventura just might be one of those
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 27, 2012, 01:35:01 pm
And it wouldnt surprise me if KW told him Thornton could close
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 27, 2012, 01:36:02 pm
To play devil's advocate....

If you have a closer with no leads for him to protect, do you really have a closer?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 27, 2012, 02:16:22 pm
Say, is Javier Vazquez retiring, or is he interested in pitching? We've got a nice low-pressure team for him to excel on.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 27, 2012, 02:20:00 pm
Quote
Say, is Javier Vazquez retiring, or is he interested in pitching? We've got a nice low-pressure team for him to excel on.

I think Kenny has other plans.   I heard that he was defrosting a few lobsters.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 27, 2012, 03:52:59 pm
Say, is Javier Vazquez retiring, or is he interested in pitching? We've got a nice low-pressure team for him to excel on.

Excellent
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Minoats on January 28, 2012, 02:48:16 pm
The pitching situation, particularly the BP, should be one of the most interesting things to follow in ST.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 28, 2012, 05:19:48 pm
Hey its Oats. Hi buddy! Glad you made it here. Hope you keep posting.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 28, 2012, 05:21:41 pm
I was just over in your area on Wednesday and was thinking about how you are doing
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 28, 2012, 05:24:26 pm
By the way I cought a bit of the beginning of Sox Fest and they interviewed Thornton. He said he wants another crack at closing. He is looking forward to the challenge.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 29, 2012, 12:15:09 pm
No.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 29, 2012, 09:00:50 pm
I didnt say it Thornton said it.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 30, 2012, 01:01:12 pm
Jheter, check it out.... pure gold:


http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2884824&postcount=314

Wonder if that a**hole will ban himself for the "personal attack"?

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 30, 2012, 01:23:18 pm
HAHAHAHAHAH- why do I get the feeling that Brian26 is one of those people who stood in line for autographs? And since when does "prick" get allowed over there?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 30, 2012, 01:59:36 pm
One of my favorite times of the off-season... reading about all those goofs...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 30, 2012, 03:06:35 pm
I like when they get desperate for something to talk about, you get something like 10 pages devoted to the throwback uniforms.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 30, 2012, 06:22:56 pm
Quote
By the way I cought a bit of the beginning of Sox Fest and they interviewed Thornton. He said he wants another crack at losing.

Fixed that for you.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 31, 2012, 10:28:20 am
Parent wants the Sox to run more. Now there's something we haven't heard before.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120130&content_id=26515848&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws&partnerId=rss_cws

On the surface, this strikes me as stupid, given the Sox' SB% was second-to-last in the majors last year, a gifty 60%, but if you really think about it, it's still really stupid.

I know, Juan Pierre is gone, but still. . .
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2012, 10:52:24 am
I dont think we have the team speed to steal bases.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 31, 2012, 12:54:14 pm
You have to get on base to run more...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2012, 02:05:06 pm
Right, ya cant steal first
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 31, 2012, 02:40:17 pm
ARow could
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 31, 2012, 04:47:47 pm
Haha
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on February 01, 2012, 12:17:25 pm
Mark Parent stresses the Sox will be working on fundamentals, starting in the minor leagues. Going to do things the "White Sox Way".  When he was with the Orioles he learned a lot from Cal Ripken Sr and they had the "Orioles Way" (back when the O's were good)!

Would be a welcomed change if they follow through with this.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-0201-white-sox-chicago--20120201,0,4811621.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 01, 2012, 12:23:35 pm
Well then I would have rather he said "going to do things the 'Oriole Way'".

Anyway, they say this shytte every year.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on February 01, 2012, 12:25:19 pm
you can't run yourself out of innings if you can't get on base first
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on February 01, 2012, 01:29:03 pm
Anyway, they say this shytte every year.


How can that be when neither Ventura nor Parent have run any White Sox teams in the past?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 01, 2012, 01:33:23 pm
"They" = everybody.

You're gonna have to learn your clichés. You're gonna have to study them, you're gonna have to know them. They're your friends. Write this down: "We gotta play it one day at a time."
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2012, 09:41:09 pm
 :o ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on February 02, 2012, 01:19:44 pm
The last couple of years (the Sox) have got too big of a separation between the major leagues and the minor leagues," Parent said. "The minor leagues weren't on the same page.

This never mattered in the past because Kenny always traded away the prospects before they made it to the big club.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on February 02, 2012, 09:58:10 pm
What the White Sox should do (long post)

Quote

A plan for rebuilding the Orioles

By Jim Bowden | ESPN.com | Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM


Orioles skipper Buck Showalter has work ahead of him. Here's how his front office can help.

In 1997, Davey Johnson led the Orioles to a first-place finish in the American League East. The team won 98 games and featured a pitching staff with four starters in double-digit wins, a closer who saved 45 games and two future Hall of Famers in Cal Ripken Jr. and Roberto Alomar.
 
Today, the Orioles have no players of such caliber and need only look 40 miles south to find Johnson once again in the Mid-Atlantic area managing the rival Washington Nationals, this time with eyes trained on a National League East title.

It’s been 15 years since the Baltimore Orioles mattered. And unless the team is willing to take some drastic measures, it might be 15 more. And they need to start the process now, as it will take anywhere from 6-10 years to rectify their current problems.

Consider it took the Oakland A’s six sub-.500 years, from 1993-1998, to rebuild their team into the contender that dominated the early 2000s with “The Big Three” of Barry Zito, Mark Mulder and Tim Hudson. It took Tampa Bay 10 years of sub-.500 ball, from 1998-2007, to get it right. They’ve made the playoffs in three of the past four years and are arguably the favorites to win the division this year. Certainly the Orioles had better get started soon. Here's a five-point plan for getting the O's back into contention.

article continued at:  http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=the-gms-office&id=3378 (http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=the-gms-office&id=3378)



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Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 06, 2012, 07:00:11 am
Quote

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2012-02/205297320-05145951.jpg)

Sox's Peavy: 'I'm as 100 percent as I can be'
Right-hander's goal is at least 30 starts, 200 innings


By Dave van Dyck, Chicago Tribune reporter - 7:25 p.m. CST, February 5, 2012


Ask Jake Peavy whether he is 100 percent healthy for this season and this is the answer you get:

"I'm as 100 percent as I can be. I don't know if I'm 100 percent as to what I was four years ago. I know I'm as 100 percent as 100 percent is going to get after what I had done (surgically). I guess that's the best way to say it."

Well, that's one way to say it. And actually, it's not a bad way when you re-read it slowly.

One thing seems certain about this summer on the South Side: If Peavy isn't 100 percent — whether you use his San Diego scale or the post-surgery scale — the White Sox's chances of a rebound season is close to 0 percent.

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0206-whites-sox-peavy-chicago--20120206,0,5324067.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0206-whites-sox-peavy-chicago--20120206,0,5324067.story)


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2012, 10:53:07 am
Uh, so he says. If that translates to wins I will be happy. Until then we shall see. Like daddy always said, "Talk is cheap, its action that counts"
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 06, 2012, 11:13:40 am
almost sounds like he is preparing us for disappointment. "As good as I am going to be"?? Cripes, just say you are healthy again and lets see how it goes.
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Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on February 06, 2012, 11:35:23 am
Thats what i saw in that too MSF.. "i'm 100% of the new max i can be... forget cy jake"
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 06, 2012, 01:20:24 pm
If that chode would have just accepted the trade the first time, then he wouldn't have hurt his foot running the bases... it all snowballed from there...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 06, 2012, 01:58:05 pm
Good point on the base running deal, cripes. I will take 14-10 with 225 innings from the guy.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on February 06, 2012, 03:18:44 pm
This doesn't sound like the Peavy I've come to know:   I think he can be even 100 percenter than he is now.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2012, 05:59:26 pm
Good point on the base running deal, cripes. I will take 14-10 with 225 innings from the guy.

I would hope KW jettisons him if thats what we are to get from PV. I would be surprised if we get any starter with a positive record this season. And I dont see any of the starting OFers hitting .250 or better this year.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 08, 2012, 04:36:21 pm
From Ozzie to Bobby V, eyes are on skippers
Ten managers who will encounter challenges in new season


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120208&content_id=26607630&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb


Quote

4. Robin Ventura, White Sox: He's not the high-decibel Ozzie Guillen -- which isn't necessarily a bad thing -- but the soft-spoken Ventura still has a tough act to follow.

More to the point, he'll be without workhorse starter Mark Buehrle (Marlins), closer Sergio Santos (Blue Jays) and productive outfielder Carlos Quentin (Padres). The biggest reason the South Side icon will be under such a microscope, though, is that he comes to the job without previous managerial or coaching experience at any level.

"I have principles of things I like and a policy of the way things should be done," Ventura promised. "It might not be as loud, but I'm very persistent with how I like to do things and the way I like it being done. I'm not a loud person, but it will get done."
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 09, 2012, 10:13:53 am
You know Spring Training is around the corner when the broadcast schedule is released:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120208&content_id=26613280&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws

As an aside, looks like Sox-Rangers Opening Day game will be on the MLB Network.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 09, 2012, 08:29:04 pm
productive outfielder Carlos Quentin

If only........
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 10, 2012, 08:47:13 am
Damn near won MVP that year before he hurt his wrist, I call that productive as well as peaking my interest in him as a hitter.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 10, 2012, 08:56:24 am
and before I get scolded over an injury riddled player, seems like all the young Sox end up that way, or a lot of em.

Pete Ward, Ron Hanson, Bill Melton, Ron Kittle, Joe Crede - all bad backs.

Jason Bere, Bart Johnson and many others - bad wings.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 10, 2012, 09:30:35 am
I see I "piqued" your interest enough to get you to post. 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 10, 2012, 08:51:47 pm
Quote

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Identity crisis envelops rebuilding White Sox

By Jeff Passan, Yahoo! Sports - Jan 19, 5:03 pm EST


2011 record: 79-83
Finish: Third place, AL Central
2011 final payroll: $125.8 million
Estimated 2012 opening day payroll: $98 million
Yahoo! Sports’ offseason rank: 23rd

Offseason Action

he Chicago White Sox are Jerry Reinsdorf’s car, and his whims tend to dictate how it’s outfitted. Last season, Reinsdorf was in go-for-it mode, so he went full “Pimp My Ride,” throwing around nearly $120 million in guaranteed money. Gone this year are the in-dash TV, the leather seats and the 24s. If they’re not careful, the White Sox may end up without a steering wheel one of these days.

Much of it was understandable, what with the disappointing 2011, manager Ozzie Guillen’s departure to the Miami Marlins and the contracts of Adam Dunn, Alex Rios and Jake Peavy, on which Reinsdorf still owes $104.5 million. Gone went outfielder Carlos Quentin for a couple minor league pitchers, closer Sergio Santos for another and reliever Jason Frasor for even more pitching. Never mind the enormous risks in young pitchers’ arms. General manager Kenny Williams runs the White Sox with a – hmmm – unique perspective.

And never was that more evident than the day Chicago announced it had locked up starter John Danks to a five-year, $65 million extension. Rebuilding teams under the weight of three absolutely unmovable contracts do not commit that many years and that much money to anyone, particularly a pitcher whose track record of health offers no promise that his elbow and shoulder will continue to cooperate.

more at:  http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Apc4qC8hcI0wR_.S4s0Fih08R9MF?slug=jp-passan_hot_stove_daily_white_sox_ventura_011912 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Apc4qC8hcI0wR_.S4s0Fih08R9MF?slug=jp-passan_hot_stove_daily_white_sox_ventura_011912)




Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 11, 2012, 08:39:49 am
I see I "piqued" your interest enough to get you to post.


You sure did.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on February 11, 2012, 03:19:07 pm
. . . .all the other kids with their pimped-up Sox better run better run, faster than the Royals . . .
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 13, 2012, 11:09:35 am
Something to read...

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120210&content_id=26646966&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 13, 2012, 07:35:55 pm
Sounds kindof like this:

We have now entered upon a new phase of a struggle.... Relieved from the necessity of guarding cities and particular points, important but not vital to our defence with our army free to move from point to point, and strike in detail the detachments and garrisons of the enemy; operating in the interior of our own country, where supplies are more accessible, and where the foe will be far removed from his own base, nothing is now needed to render our triumph certain, but the exhibition of our own unquenchable resolve. Let us but will it, and we are free.”  --Jefferson Davis April 4, 1865 after the fall of Richmond

(It's all good Andy - public domain and all)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 13, 2012, 08:55:35 pm
and we are free.”  --Jefferson Davis

"We"?   Heh.

Great allegory, by the way.   
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 14, 2012, 10:55:26 am

Hmmm... guess it can;t hurt.   Pierre's uniform #1 has been replaced.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-sign-former-cubs-of-fukudome-20120214,0,4842477.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on February 14, 2012, 12:10:13 pm
Nice move at that price. Good defensive outfielder and LH off the bench? Solid signing. Certainly can't hurt.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 14, 2012, 12:36:28 pm

Under terms of the agreement, [Fuku] will receive $500,000 in 2012, while the Sox hold a $3.5-millon option for 2013, including a $500,000 buyout.



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/10637031-419/kosuke-fukudome-signs-with-white-sox.html

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 14, 2012, 12:38:04 pm


Kosuke can catch the ball. The sox need outfielders who can catch the ball.




http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=CST_soxvan
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 14, 2012, 12:40:07 pm
In addition to having a great "Prof. Frink" name, Daryl Van Schouwen looks like the love child of Albert Brooks and Colm Meany.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 14, 2012, 07:27:20 pm
Hah!!  what a hoot.  Fuk will have a good year.  Maybe it will even entice boatdrink back to "book it".
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 15, 2012, 12:27:40 pm
Actually, I communicated with boatdrink awhile back and the only reason he's not on at this point is the fact that his employer now has all forums blocked. I wonder how you do that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Sophist on February 17, 2012, 11:23:34 am
so get a damn iphone or an android!  Lazy.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on February 17, 2012, 11:29:29 am
pretty easy to block forums etc... esp when they are generic like createaforum.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on February 20, 2012, 10:49:10 am
2 days until pitchers and catchers report.

...in case anyone was wondering.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 22, 2012, 04:30:59 pm
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2012-02/166409360-22101419.jpg)

Thornton, Crain leaving closer's role up to Sox's staff

By Mark Gonzales - Tribune reporter - 11:47 a.m. CST, February 22, 2012

GLENDALE, Ariz. - Matt Thornton said Wednesday he's more consumed with preparing for the regular season and not winning the closer's role this spring.

"They know what I can do," said Thornton, who won the closer's role but lost it during the first two weeks of the 2011 season. "They know what Jesse (Crain) can do. I’m not out here to have a competition for a job. I’m going to go out and do what I do to prepare myself to help win games for this team.

"If they want me to be the closer, so be it. That’s the way it is. It’s Robin (Ventura's) job at the end. And Kenny (Williams) and (Don) Cooper will give their advice, and the coaches will give their advice on what they think is better. I don’t care, either way. I’m going to help this team wins games. If I get a shot at being the closer, I would enjoy it and I’d like to have a chance I could do it.”

continued at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-thornton-crain-leaving-closers-role-up-to-soxs-staff-20120222,0,4078449.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-thornton-crain-leaving-closers-role-up-to-soxs-staff-20120222,0,4078449.story)


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 22, 2012, 07:59:32 pm
What riff raff did we get for Santos again?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 22, 2012, 08:23:35 pm
some converted position player to starter.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 24, 2012, 05:43:30 am


(http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2008/05/16/392williams_kenny080220ap.jpg)

Sox GM Williams not afraid of changeup
Discusses job status as Ventura begins 1st camp as manager


By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 9:34 p.m. CST, February 23, 2012


GLENDALE, Ariz. — As he watched rookie manager Robin Ventura conduct his first workout for pitchers and catchers Thursday, general manager Ken Williams didn't shy away from discussing his job status after three consecutive non-playoff seasons.

"Listen, I've always been fortunate to be part of this whole equation," Williams told reporters. "If there comes a time where (chairman Jerry Reinsdorf) believes that there's somebody that can do this job in a better way ... I'll be the first one to step up and say, 'You need to make this move,' and won't be anything but grateful and thankful and move on my way or move into a different position if he were to suggest that. But it is sports."

With Ozzie Guillen off to Miami, Ventura being hired without any managerial experience and offseason departures by staff ace Mark Buehrle, closer Sergio Santos and slugger Carlos Quentin, Williams knows the stakes might become greater despite the firm loyalty of his chairman.

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0224-white-sox-chicago--20120224,0,7752565.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0224-white-sox-chicago--20120224,0,7752565.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on February 24, 2012, 08:42:36 am
Just leave, Kenny.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2012, 10:53:45 am
Agreed but leave your lobsters for Fury
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on February 24, 2012, 11:11:53 am
KW is such an arrogant SOB!!

He would need a magic wand and broom just to clean this mess up.

Besides, he won't get tossed to the curb.

Just "reassigned" somewhere else in Soxworld!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 24, 2012, 01:56:15 pm
Andy, that image is way too small for something as cool as Trigger Fish. What a disgrace.

Gosh, seems like 30 or so years ago, no one had peanut allergies. Now it's quite the in thing:

The White Sox announced Thursday that they will host a "Peanut-Controlled Zone" for a game against the Orioles on Tues., April 17 at 7:10 p.m. CT. The intent is to provide fans who suffer from severe peanut allergies with the safest environment possible. No peanuts, nor anything containing peanuts, will be allowed or sold in three reserved sections of the Club Level at U.S. Cellular Field.

I'd like to go walking past there and point and laugh at these people and call them p***ies.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on February 24, 2012, 03:19:53 pm

My misguided wisdom has blamed all this allergy to this and that to the "anti-bacterial" craze. Jeez WTF ever happened to having some dirt and grime in your life?
I'm surprised they have not come out with bread that can kill germs.

You never asked for drink from someones house, you drank from the garden hose for christ sakes!!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on February 24, 2012, 04:00:27 pm
There's wisdom in your words, dazed.

Let the kids build up their immune systems by getting dirty, being exposed to moderate amounts of germs, and getting sick once in awhile.

No idea how food allergies work, but the pussification of our immune systems is going to be the end of us.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on February 24, 2012, 04:26:15 pm
I think that a lot of the newer food allergies stem from the fact that a lot of what we call "food" isn't food any more.  It's full of GMOs, chemicals... it's altered, it's mutated... in many cases, I think the body is rebelling against that s h i t.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2012, 06:46:02 pm
I would assign him to head scout for Lower Slobovia, wherever that is
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 27, 2012, 11:14:55 am
George Carlin has the answers on how to improve your immune system.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 27, 2012, 02:20:57 pm
I take plenty of vitamin D suplement. Rarely do I get sick.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 29, 2012, 01:21:06 pm
Your 2012 breakout star:  Brent Morel

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2012/2/23/2816075/the-next-next-jose-bautista
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 02, 2012, 06:36:48 am

(http://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/174576186796683265/photo/1/large)

Coach Jeff Manto steps up to the plate for White Sox

BY DARYL VAN SCHOUWEN dvanschouwen@suntimes.com February 29, 2012 8:54PM


GLENDALE, Ariz. — Jeff Manto knows how it is for the hitting coach. Team hits, and the players are doing what they get paid for. Team doesn’t, and he needs to be fired.

Beginning his first year with the White Sox after four as the organization’s minor-league hitting instructor, Manto expects the same scrutiny from fans that Greg Walker was under.

“It comes with the territory, without a doubt,’’ Manto said Wednesday. “I’ve been there before in a different environment [as Pittsburgh’s hitting coach in 2006 and ’07], but it’s part of the gig. It’s a sign that these people are passionate. I know it’s not going to be against me personally but me the hitting coach. People are showing the passion. That’s appreciated.’’

more at:  http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/10967228-574/coach-jeff-manto-steps-up-to-the-plate-for-white-sox.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/10967228-574/coach-jeff-manto-steps-up-to-the-plate-for-white-sox.html)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on March 02, 2012, 10:42:33 am
Quote
"...Manto expects the same scrutiny from fans that Greg Walker was under.  However, pitching coach Don Cooper is exempt from any such scrutiny, because he is tight with GM Ken Williams and is Williams' spy in the clubhouse."

Fixed that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2012, 12:16:32 pm
Brandon Short, he gone for the season. Dang!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-outfield-prospect-brandon-short-out-for-year-20120309,0,6048910.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on March 09, 2012, 05:28:11 pm
That was a mighty Short career.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on March 09, 2012, 06:14:58 pm
Cripes, KW needs to find some more AAA fodder
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on March 09, 2012, 06:29:45 pm
LOL
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on March 13, 2012, 12:49:59 pm
Kenny "Mr. Lightning in a bottle" will find some guy he's had a hard on for years who is being dumped and pick them up.

I'm surprised he has not asked Roberto Alomar to come out of retirement along with Carl Everett.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on March 13, 2012, 01:21:44 pm
Quote
I'm surprised he has not asked Roberto Alomar to come out of retirement along with Carl Everett.

I know.  I'm curious to see who his next lobster will be.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2012, 08:27:50 pm
LOL. Not nice to jossle Andy's sole brother.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 22, 2012, 01:10:50 pm
According to Forbes, Jerry & the Boys cleared $10.7 million last year.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/03/21/3505310/forbes-says-royals-made-285-million.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2012/03/21/the-business-of-baseball-2012/
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on March 22, 2012, 10:00:56 pm
Does that $10.7 million represent Jerry's "salary", or is it after paying him something for his investment. He's got expenses.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 23, 2012, 08:49:52 am
How much did Adam Dunn clear last year?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 24, 2012, 07:29:05 pm

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-4f6e31b1/turbine/ct-spt-0325-white-sox-chicago--20120325-001/600)

Lillibridge carving out big niche
Sox utilityman has impressed Ventura so much he could get extra playing time


By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 3:44 p.m. CDT, March 24, 2012


GLENDALE, Ariz. — One of the defining moments in the development of Brent Lillibridge occurred two years ago when he was one of the White Sox's final spring cuts.

"I knew my swing was getting there," Lillibridge recalled. "It was just a matter of time."

Since getting promoted from Triple-A Charlotte two months later, Lillibridge gradually has evolved into more than just a versatile glove man.

His steady improvement has encouraged manager Robin Ventura to find ways to get him in the lineup, which could lead to more financial stability for him after virtually facing a crossroads with his third organization.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0325-white-sox-chicago--20120325,0,3946880.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0325-white-sox-chicago--20120325,0,3946880.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 31, 2012, 06:09:00 pm
2012 White Sox 25-man Roster:

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_active.jsp?c_id=cws)


*     *     *     *     *

Looks like three spots are still open on the 40-man roster.  Will they be filled internally later on in the year or are they looking at some last minute cuts from the other 29 MLB teams?

2012 White Sox 40-man Roster:

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws)


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on March 31, 2012, 09:38:21 pm
Blah, Fukudome.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 01, 2012, 06:23:01 am
Flukydummy
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 01, 2012, 01:14:45 pm
White Sox will not face Yu Darvish Sunday night:


The Rangers' decision to make Matt Harrison the No. 3 starter means that Yu Darvish will make his American debut against the Mariners and Ichiro Suzuki.







http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/sc-spt-0401-whispers-rogers-baseball--20120401,0,3606609.column

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on April 01, 2012, 03:15:58 pm
Blah, Fukudome.

What's wrong with him?

He's a perfectly adequate 4th OFer. Good OBP, good defense in the corner spots.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 03, 2012, 07:49:36 am
(http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__28/ept_sports_mlb_experts-618025314-1244152508.jpg?ym8adXBDOEHc4g_i)

Konerko: Team has 'good vibe'
'All-hands on deck situation,' captain says


By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 6:51 p.m. CDT, April 2, 2012


GLENDALE, Ariz. — Paul Konerko has experienced too many spring trainings to become giddy over the assumption that spring statistics can carry into the regular season.

But the White Sox's team captain has sensed that the offense is in the right frame of mind entering the 2012 season.

"It seems like everyone has a good feel and a good vibe," said Konerko, who sat out Monday's Cactus League finale against Milwaukee. "No one is in the cage now scrambling to find something. Everyone seems OK where they're at. That's something that's a day-in and day-out thing. Once the season starts, you either get the feeling, or keep the feeling you have. But right now, leaving Arizona, it seems like everyone has a good feel."

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0403-white-sox-chicago--20120403,0,6048627.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0403-white-sox-chicago--20120403,0,6048627.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 03, 2012, 07:56:58 am


(http://www.csnchicago.com/sportsnetChicago/thumbnails/Sportsnet_-_Chicago/68/434/Kenny_Williams_4-1_640x360_2218183012.jpg)

GM Williams optimistic about White Sox's chances
Genuinely believes his team can make playoffs


Phil Rogers On Baseball - 6:44 p.m. CDT, April 2, 2012


GLENDALE, Ariz. — The soap opera is over, and one of the leading men wrote his own character out of the script. How long can the other last without him?

We're going to find out.

Say this for Ken Williams. The White Sox general manager truly seems at peace with Ozzie Guillen in Florida, even though Guillen took Mark Buehrle, the team's best pitcher in 50 years, with him.

Water off a duck's back, apparently. Hope really does spring eternal.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0403-rogers-white-sox-williams--20120403,0,3423791.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0403-rogers-white-sox-williams--20120403,0,3423791.column)

 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 03, 2012, 02:21:09 pm
Jon Morosi ‏ @jonmorosi
AL Manager: Robin Ventura, #WhiteSox. NL Manager: Don Mattingly, #Dodgers.


Interesting.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on April 03, 2012, 05:44:45 pm
Rule....?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 03, 2012, 09:05:43 pm
I'm with Rule, and see the upside. I see this team surprising us this year, probably not making the playoffs, although there will be two teams this year, but it will be a fun summer. I like all the new youth on the team, and I see Dunn making a big comeback.

I a wishful thinker.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 05:30:50 am


(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/03/20/sports/baseball/20ventura-pic/20ventura-pic-articleLarge.jpg)

Ventura aims to keep surprises coming
New manager has White Sox prepared to overcome doubters


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 04/03/12 2:00 PM ET

 
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Over the course of six months, Robin Ventura has moved from quite possibly the biggest surprise hire in White Sox history to the man clearly fostering the new vision for this franchise.

Ventura has his team prepared and confident that it can pull off a surprise within the 2012 American League Central greater than the official announcement made via a team press release on Oct. 6, 2011.

Before embarking on his first regular-season game as manager against the Rangers on April 6, the six-time Gold Glove winner and veteran of 16 big league seasons discussed the start of his tenure in an exclusive conversation with MLB.com.

read more:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120330&content_id=27763780&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120330&content_id=27763780&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 04, 2012, 08:08:46 am
Rule....?

Shoe ?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 04, 2012, 09:11:05 am
I didn't get it either Shoeless. It's the magic language of Twitter I guess. And who is Jon Morosi?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on April 04, 2012, 09:17:56 am
I didn't get it either Shoeless. It's the magic language of Twitter I guess. And who is Jon Morosi?

Morosi (a writer for Fox Sports) is predicting that Ventura and Mattingly will be managers of the year.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 04, 2012, 09:53:02 am
Oh, thanks. I though there was something amusing there or something. It's just some guy tweeting some prediction.


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 04, 2012, 10:16:21 am
It would be a shock if Ventura were Manager of the year. I dont believe they give that award for .500 teams. (and thats giving the benefit of the doubt to an improved Dunn)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 04, 2012, 10:18:03 am
I think we have a .500 team and Jake Peavy. His record will make or break this team.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 04, 2012, 10:25:24 am
I dont see Peavey as a better than .500 pitcher. The last time Peavey was good was when he was in San Diego. It wouldnt shock me if he has a decent first half that KW moves him at the trading deadline. KW might even get some decent prospects back
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 04, 2012, 04:29:17 pm
When you read an article by Merkin, keep in mind that he's basically hired by mlb.com to be the Sox PR cheerleader.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 08:29:05 pm
 

(http://www.csnchicago.com/sportsnetChicago/thumbnails/Sportsnet_-_Chicago/42/461/KennyWilliamsOnGettingBooed_1-27_640x360_2190947532.jpg)

Williams knows Sox must win quickly
GM maintains go-for-it style again will pay dividends but admits club must regain fans to replenish coffers


By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 8:01 p.m. CDT, April 4, 2012


The pause before each answer seemed as long as the time since the White Sox last won an American League Central title.

But Ken Williams seems as relaxed as he has at any point during his 12 years as general manager — even after overseeing three consecutive non-playoff seasons during which his big-ticket acquisitions failed to live up to their billing, his contentious relationship with manager Ozzie Guillen resulted in the latter's departure to the Marlins and death threats were levied at his football-playing son Kyle after two mishaps in the NFC championship game.

"I struggle with this," Williams said before one of several pauses during a 21-minute interview. "I just want to move on from a lot of the (stuff) that was going on. So this is hard for me. This is hard.

"All I can do is just continue to say positive things about the past and look forward to the future."

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-preview-chicago--20120405,0,4964175.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-preview-chicago--20120405,0,4964175.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 08:35:12 pm


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Sox rookies eagerly await their baptisms of fire
Even Ventura wonders how he and team will perform


By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - April 5, 2012


HOUSTON — Growing pains often temper the excitement of youth, sometimes on the biggest stages.

For the White Sox — from first-year manager Robin Ventura to four rookies on their opening day roster — how quickly those parties can acclimate themselves to baseball's highest level will be crucial.

Ventura, who experienced a 16-year playing career, wonders about his possible moves with his personnel in various situations.

"I'm sure there will be (nerves)," Ventura said. "I had nerves as a player. It's fun to get it started. Once you get it started, we'll see what happens."

The final six exhibitions have given the youngsters as well as the coaching staff a better measuring stick for their potential.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-ventura-white-sox-chicago--20120405,0,948078.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-ventura-white-sox-chicago--20120405,0,948078.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 08:39:40 pm


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If Sox stumble out of gate …
Rebuilding could come quickly


By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - April 5, 2012


Contend or pretend?

Here are nine issues facing the White Sox:

Compete now, or else: The Sox will play the American League champion Rangers and AL Central-winning Tigers in six of their first nine games. General manager Ken Williams wants to change the atmosphere, so it's up to the Sox finally to get off to a successful start and keep a positive vibe with the prospect of full-scale rebuilding if they stagger out of the box.

Play smart: Fundamentals were repeated in spring training workouts even over the slightest hesitations. With a new outfield alignment, the Sox must eliminate the costly mistakes they committed last year. They also must find ways to disrupt the running game of opponents and be more creative on offense with the departure of slugger Carlos Quentin.

Adam's mark: The Sox need a power surge from Adam Dunn with Quentin gone. If A.J. Pierzynski bats second, RBIs from the left side will become more essential from Dunn unless Kosuke Fukudome receives more playing time.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-9-issues-chicago--20120405,0,4176508.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0405-white-sox-9-issues-chicago--20120405,0,4176508.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 04, 2012, 08:43:06 pm
Wouldnt surprise me.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 05, 2012, 10:22:57 am
"I'm sure there will be (nerves)," Ventura said. "I had nerves as a player. It's fun to get it started. Once you get it started, we'll see what happens."

I think we need to start a Robin Ventura Bland Cliche meme. . .because that's the only way to make this interesting, looks like.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 05, 2012, 11:08:00 am
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Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 05, 2012, 11:10:10 am
HAHAHHAA- although you realize that will provoke a Fury Hatin' on Nolan Ryan meme post.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 05, 2012, 02:06:35 pm
He had nerves, he also had a big freaking noogie mark on his head.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 05, 2012, 03:00:13 pm

(http://downtheroad.tunicatravel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/craps-table.jpg)

Bovada sports betting lines on the  2012 Chicago White Sox:

Odds White Sox win the World Series:  65/1

Odds White Sox win the AL Pennant:    35/1




White Sox player over/under prop bets:

O/U Player             BAvg.      HR        RBI      total Strikeouts
Paul Konerko               na         30½      95½               na
Adam Dunn               .240        27½      85½            175½ 
Alex Rios                    na          15½       na                na
Alexi Ramirez            .277          na         na                na
Gordon Beckham       .250          na         na                na

O/U Pitcher        Wins       ERA       
John  Danks           11½
Gavin Floyd            11½
Jake Peavy              na         3.90
   

http://sports.bovada.lv/ (http://sports.bovada.lv/)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 05, 2012, 04:01:33 pm
Probably Peavey  14-16
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 06, 2012, 09:25:07 am
Hey, we got Kip Wells back.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 06, 2012, 05:08:53 pm
It's freaking about time!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 06, 2012, 06:16:52 pm
Just brings back bad memories for Metodo
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 06, 2012, 07:06:24 pm
Todd ritchie..... i need a beer now
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 09, 2012, 12:18:53 pm
Oh, did someone mention Nolan Ryan?  Screw that overrated punk-azz cowboy.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 13, 2012, 01:06:56 am


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White Sox roll out Wi-Fi at U.S. Cellular Field

By Wailin Wong Tribune reporter - 2:08 p.m. CDT, April 12, 2012


The White Sox are going Wi-Fi.

Los Angeles-based Boingo Wireless, a provider of large-scale Wi-Fi networks in areas such as airports and malls, said Thursday it will manage and operate a public Wi-Fi system at U.S. Cellular Field. Financial terms of the agreement, which the company said is exclusive, were not disclosed.

Boingo said it will provide complimentary Internet access at the stadium as part of an introductory offer. Higher bandwidth is available for Boingo’s existing subscribers, as well as for customers that pay $1.99 per hour with their iPhone or iPad.

Brooks Boyer, senior vice president of sales and marketing for the White Sox, said the network can “easily expand to accommodate the skyrocketing number of Wi-Fi enabled mobile devices” that fans are carrying at games to use social media, watch video replays and look up real-time statistics on the web.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-white-sox-roll-out-wifi-at-us-cellular-field-20120412,0,5872366.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-white-sox-roll-out-wifi-at-us-cellular-field-20120412,0,5872366.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 13, 2012, 09:07:20 am
US Cellular doesn't have it's own Wifi service?  Really!!?

You would have thought haveing a park named after a mobil phone service provider that this would have been done 3 years ago, and by their namesake.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on April 13, 2012, 05:20:48 pm
US Cellular doesn't have it's own Wifi service?  Really!!?

You would have thought haveing a park named after a mobil phone service provider that this would have been done 3 years ago, and by their namesake.

My first reaction as well.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 13, 2012, 06:22:43 pm
I really  have no idea how that e got in having.  just saying.....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 13, 2012, 07:10:24 pm


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Source: Ex-Sox pitcher Hickey in coma

By Bruce Levine | ESPNChicago.com | April 13, 2012 1:55PM CT


Former Chicago White Sox pitcher and current batting practice coordinator Kevin Hickey is in Parkland Hospital in Arlington, Texas after being found unresponsive by hotel personnel on April 5 in his room.

Hickey’s vital signs are fine, but he is still in a coma, according to a source familiar with the situation. Hickey is an insulin dependent diabetic.

Hickey, who was a member of the White Sox’s 1983 AL West Division title team, has worked for the club in pre-game drills for the past 10 years.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/9276/source-ex-sox-pitcher-hickey-in-coma (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/9276/source-ex-sox-pitcher-hickey-in-coma)




Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 16, 2012, 10:04:18 am
Is that a full-size bat I see them giving away on Bat Day this year? If so, cool for the youngsters. The WSI guys will also want to buy them no doubt.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 16, 2012, 11:49:37 am
Nice slide show of new food items at Cell. Wow, they have banh mi now? Yum. Plus the Burger Barn is intriguing- most ballpark burgers are awful, but these look like they might be good. Might have to take in a game this season.

There are also some pics of the new retail store. Looks pretty spacious and nice.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2012/04/10/u-s-cellular-field-improvements/#photo-279551 (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/photo-galleries/2012/04/10/u-s-cellular-field-improvements/#photo-279551)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 16, 2012, 05:21:26 pm

Sox BP pitcher Hickey transferred to Chicago hospital

By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 2:54 p.m. CDT, April 16, 2012

Chicago White Sox batting practice pitcher Kevin Hickey was transported from Dallas to Chicago this past weekend.

Hickey is in the intensive care unit at Rush University Medical Center, where he remains unresponsive while showing minor signs of improvement.

Hickey, 56, who pitched for the Sox from 1981-83 and for Baltimore from 1989-91, has been hospitalized since April 5, when he was found unresponsive in his hotel room after failing to show up for the Sox's workout at Rangers Ballpark at Arlington, Texas.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story)


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 16, 2012, 05:25:14 pm
Quote

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In other Sox news, the team and pitcher Kip Wells have mutually parted ways, less than two weeks after Wells agreed to a minor league deal following a workout in Houston. Wells, who pitched for the Sox from 1999-2001, was scheduled to report to extended spring training.

The first game of the Sox's split doubleheader at Cleveland on May 7 will be telecast by WGN-Ch. 9 at noon. That game is a rescheduled game of last Tuesday's rainout. The regularly scheduled game at 6:05 p.m. will be telecast by Comcast SportsNet.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-bp-pitcher-hickey-transferred-to-chicago-hospital-20120416,0,413603.story)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 16, 2012, 07:35:10 pm
Hawk has been repeating himself quite a bit this season. 

I've seen parts of maybe 5-6 games, and I've heard the "Cecil & Prince have exactly the same number of home runs affter 1000 games" thing three fricking times.

And just now he's doing the "you don;t have to hit a curveball but you have to be able to hit a fastball" schtick for (at least) the second time.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 16, 2012, 07:38:00 pm
That has to be way way more interesting then these booooring Orioles announcers.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 16, 2012, 08:12:09 pm
I should switch feeds to check out the o's announcers.

Humber is struggling... lots of base runners.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 16, 2012, 08:28:02 pm
And just now he's doing the "you don;t have to hit a curveball but you have to be able to hit a fastball" schtick for (at least) the second time.
 
Hahahahaa- I heard that! Tonight! He also went into a Ted Williams thing, which some might find tiresome, but I don't, because I love any Ted Williams anecdotes, especially because DiMaggio was a douche, and Ted Williams was the greatest hitter ev-ah and got short changed.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 16, 2012, 08:30:46 pm
Sale and Humber = lots 'o pitches. Coop needs to fix that magically, or there will be patchwork relief and bullpen depletion and losing.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 16, 2012, 08:54:16 pm
at least sale isn't giving up as many base runners.

AJ is missing a lot of the balls in the dirt this year...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 16, 2012, 09:43:10 pm
AJ looking like he is going to have a big year with the bat.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 17, 2012, 10:02:32 am
Heh:



The White Sox were off to a 7-4 start last season before suffering a very similar loss to Oakland. The A’s got three runs in the ninth off Chris Sale, Crain and Thornton, then three more off Thornton in the 10th. A fairly routine win had turned into a tough loss. That wouldn’t have been such a big thing but the White Sox went on to lose the next six games, falling to 7-11.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-your-morning-phil-timmy-starlin-robin-20120417,0,5811725.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 17, 2012, 03:59:49 pm
Yeah, that was sucky.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 04:37:46 pm
Interesting to note that while the White Sox have started out as a .500 team (6-6), all of their 12 games have been against opponents with an above .500 won/loss record. 

Those 4 teams include ALL three division leaders plus a second place team. 

Those 4 teams have a combined record of 34-16, a .680 winning percentage. 

Take out their 12 games against the White Sox, these 4 teams have played at a combined won/loss record of 28-10, an unbelievable .737 winning percentage.

-------------------------------



Sox's first 12 games a mixed bag

By Scott Powers - ESPNChicago.com - April 19th  7:41PM

CHICAGO – The Chicago White have experienced some good and some bad this season as one would expect from a team which stands at .500 after 12 games.

Here’s a look at what’s gone right and what’s gone wrong for the White Sox so far in 2012:

The good: Jake Peavy looks like the Jake Peavy of old through three starts. He’s 2-0 with a 2.75 ERA and has allowed 14 hits, six runs, two walks and struck out 21 in 19 2/3 innings.

The bad: April and May have often been Gavin Floyd’s worst months, and that appears to be the case again this season. With Thursday’s 5-3 loss to the Baltimore Orioles, Floyd’s record fell to 1-2 with a 4.82 ERA for the season.

The good: The White Sox’s starting pitchers have been consistently solid this season. Only once in 12 games has a starter allowed more than four earned runs. The starters have combined to allow 30 runs in 73 innings.

The bad: Hector Santiago still hasn’t proven he can be an effective closer. Santiago has three saves and one blown save in four opportunities. He allowed runs in two of those appearances and has allowed a total of three runs in four innings. His ERA is 6.75.

The good: The White Sox’s pitchers strike out opposing hitters a lot. The White Sox are tied for fourth in the majors with 103 strikeouts.

read more:  http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/ (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/)



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 27, 2012, 09:52:42 am
This is all kinds of awesome. I want to be the Luis Aparicio statue.

http://www.suntimes.com/12134163-417/luis-little-louie-aparicio-still-getting-to-second-base-at-sox-park.html (http://www.suntimes.com/12134163-417/luis-little-louie-aparicio-still-getting-to-second-base-at-sox-park.html)

Oh, and I fully expect aka Loveland and SoxRule to post their pics with Luis here.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 27, 2012, 10:21:04 am
That is indeed all kinds of awesome.  Great headline, too.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on April 27, 2012, 10:25:10 am
That is fantastic.

I wonder if I stood next to him on the concourse like that it'd work for me....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 27, 2012, 10:56:38 am
It only works if you're a famous shortstop.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 27, 2012, 11:03:13 am
I'm a bad-hop grounder man myself..
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 27, 2012, 02:28:03 pm
Crain on DL; Axelrod called up:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-put-crain-on-15day-dl-20120427,0,1427598.story

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 30, 2012, 11:08:00 am
My, what a tremendous thing the White Sox have done. They've hired this tremendous hitting coach, Manto, who has elevated our hitters on this club. We now have Beckham and Morel and Dunn being .300 hitters. And that just goes to show you how bad Greg Walker was and the real value of a hitting coach. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on April 30, 2012, 05:03:52 pm
I wish someone on the Sox would explain why Beckham is not down in the minors.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 30, 2012, 09:20:41 pm
Thank goodness I can't read that as I've already reached my 30 day limit.   Of course the Suntimes system is so uber-sophisticated that I can get to it from my phone or work, but I shan't.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 01, 2012, 09:02:28 am
aka Loveland, just use Private Browsing and it gets around the Sun Times quota thing. There's nothing offensive about the article anyway, it's just a bit of fun at the ol' ballpark.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 01, 2012, 10:12:23 am
Good idea, Jheter.  I used to just clear out me cookies to get around the suntimes thing.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on May 01, 2012, 06:33:30 pm

So if the powers that be think Beckham belongs in the show, I can't imagine the guys they think are good prospects down in the minors.

Buddy Bell = Bob Bell?

Cartoon Town vs. Kenny's Ghost Town, one was good funny, the other is becoming bad funny.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 02, 2012, 09:58:57 am
Leave it to Trigger to make two Chicago kids' shows references in the span of 30 words or less.

I disagree on BJ and Dirty Dragon however- kinda thought that sucked.

If you are not old and from Chicago, you have no idea what I'm talking about in this post. So phuck off.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on May 02, 2012, 10:40:08 am
Thanks for the ST tip.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 02, 2012, 12:17:51 pm
It's also great if you don't want your spouse or SO to see the pr0n sites you've been to. Just something to keep in mind.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 02, 2012, 03:11:13 pm
Jake Peavy wins AL Pitcher of the Month. So in the first month of baseball the White Sox have won 2 players of the week and a pitcher of the month honors. Not bad.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 02, 2012, 04:17:35 pm
Hmmm... 10 games against Cleveland in the month of May.  Then we don't play them again until the end of September.   Weird
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on May 02, 2012, 05:33:38 pm
It's also great if you don't want your spouse or SO to see the pr0n sites you've been to. Just something to keep in mind.

Plwasw explain to me again how to do that.    ;)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 04, 2012, 11:42:40 am
Everyone's Pal Phil Rogers smells a second-base shake up:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0504-rogers-white-sox-chicago--20120504,0,502246.column

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on May 04, 2012, 01:10:59 pm
Luv, the pic!

Harry and Jimmy, best pair of all time.

One drunk, one crazy.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 04, 2012, 05:13:50 pm


this doesn't sound good -


from Scott Merkin's twitter feed:


Dylan Axlelrod to start on Sunday replacing Chris Sale.  Sale has 'tenderness' in the elbow. Unable to pitch until Monday but when he returns, he'll be the new closer.  Santiago will move to middle relief.

https://twitter.com/#!/@scottmerkin/ (https://twitter.com/#!/@scottmerkin/)



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 04, 2012, 05:24:48 pm


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White Sox move Sale from rotation to closer

By Spencer Fordin / MLB.com | 05/04/12 5:47 PM ET


The White Sox have re-evaluated Chris Sale's current role with an eye toward his long-term success. Chicago announced Friday that Sale will be moved out of the rotation and into the closer's role in an effort to lessen his strain and make sure that his left pitching elbow stays healthy.

Sale, the 13th overall selection in the 2010 First-Year Player Draft, was used exclusively out of the bullpen in his first two seasons with the White Sox before moving into the rotation this year. The 23-year-old went 3-1 with a 2.81 ERA in his first five starts, striking out 29 batters in 32 innings.

Now, though, Sale will work as Chicago's closer. The White Sox have decided that Dylan Axelrod will get the first chance to take Sale's vacant rotation slot, which comes up again on Sunday. Hector Santiago, who had been working as the closer, will now pitch in middle relief for Chicago.

The White Sox have been aggressive with Sale, and he pitched in just 11 Minor League games before making his big-league debut during the 2010 campaign. Sale is 7-4 with a 2.64 ERA and 140 strikeouts in 126 1/3 innings in the big leagues and won't turn 24 until Spring Training of next season.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120504&content_id=30377726&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120504&content_id=30377726&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on May 04, 2012, 07:57:36 pm
Interesting timing on that Roger's piece.  ;)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2012, 01:49:19 pm


Transaction: White Sox send P Dylan Axelrod down to the minors and purchase the contract of P Eric Stultz who will start game #2 of today's doubleheader..

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2012, 01:51:49 pm


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White Sox call up Quintana as 26th man

By Zach Meisel / MLB.com | 05/07/12 12:45 PM ET


CLEVELAND -- A new rule in Major League Baseball's Collective Bargaining Agreement permits clubs to carry 26 players on their roster for the day of a doubleheader. The White Sox took advantage of the new rule on Monday, calling up left-hander José Quintana from Double-A Birmingham.

Manager Robin Ventura said Quintana was to return to Birmingham following the twin bill against the Indians.

"We need an extra body," Ventura said. "We're sitting here going back and forth between whether we need an extra pitcher. You go by what they're seeing in the Minor Leagues. We're playing Cleveland, so we know they're going to load up on a lot of lefties."

read more:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120507&content_id=30638458&notebook_id=30639940&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120507&content_id=30638458&notebook_id=30639940&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 07, 2012, 02:46:49 pm
Waited a few days to post on this...

But the Chris sale to Closer thing is no bueno... Obviously he has some strain in his elbow and they are concerned with his work load... They should have just left him in the BP.

I do hope Molina is readier then we saw in ST. cause he might be up here pretty quickly.

Sale was supposed to be MB's replacement in the rotation... with him out of there our rotation for next year and beyond is basically John Danks and 4?s.

Peavy is a FA after this year. Floyd after next. Humber is a serviceable 4/5 starter but not much more then that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 07, 2012, 03:22:49 pm
Danks is a "?" and Humber blows.

IMBL, at least.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on May 07, 2012, 03:29:42 pm
Humber is nothing more than a bridge, IMO. Or a 5th starter.

He's NOT a top-4 guy.... not according to my baseball logic, anyways.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2012, 03:31:21 pm
Danks is a "?" and Humber blows.

IMBL, at least.

Humber has 'Buehrle Syndrome'.  Throw a perfect game or no-hitter and then suck in your next five starts.



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 07, 2012, 03:54:13 pm
Well, what was a team strength (starting pitching) is now looking like a big mess. Danks has not performed well at all so far, Humber has post-perfect game syndrome and now with Sale going to the pen we're a starter short. If Sale can stay healthy we'll have a dynamite 1-2 bullpen punch with Reed and Sale but the rotation needs to get addressed somehow.

We were getting by with a stagnant offense when we had superb starting pitching but without that this team is going downhill quickly. Things are not looking good.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 07, 2012, 03:55:30 pm
I was being a bit kind to humber... but in our current state humber is a #4.

Danks has sadly become a ?. I wonder if his velocity is down this year? or if hes just struggling with the big contract expectations?

Sale was imho one of the brighter spots of this season so far... the news that his arm might not handle starting duties is a big blow.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2012, 03:57:13 pm
Well, what was a team strength (starting pitching) is now looking like a big mess. Danks has not performed well at all so far, Humber has post-perfect game syndrome and now with Sale going to the pen we're a starter short. If Sale can stay healthy we'll have a dynamite 1-2 bullpen punch with Reed and Sale but the rotation needs to get addressed somehow.

We were getting by with a stagnant offense when we had superb starting pitching but without that this team is going downhill quickly. Things are not looking good.




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Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on May 07, 2012, 04:49:00 pm
I am not shocked if they sit Sale for awhile. His delivery had me head scratching when I first saw him. He looked like a candidate for arm/elbow/shoulder surgery. I always wondered how long he'd last till he was injured
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on May 07, 2012, 04:54:13 pm
I am not shocked if they sit Sale for awhile. His delivery had me head scratching when I first saw him. He looked like a candidate for arm/elbow/shoulder surgery. I always wondered how long he'd last till he was injured

Same here. He's kind of got that classic high-risk delivery.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 07, 2012, 10:29:09 pm
The way Robin and Coop have handled the closer situation throughout, and the Sale move, makes me miss Ozzie's honesty.

This is the season's turning point, time to make some serious moves and stop defending some endless underperformers this year.

Robin, Coop and Kenny should be on short notices.

Robin is showing no leadership.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on May 08, 2012, 12:21:58 pm
The motto of the 2012 White Sox should be something like:

"We won't win the game, but we're going to string you along until the final out."
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 08, 2012, 01:01:50 pm
"Appreciate the First 8/9 of the Game"
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 08, 2012, 02:30:53 pm
"Appreciate the Shiitty Hitting"
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 08, 2012, 03:21:36 pm
"2012 White Sox -- Hey, at least there's always good seats available."
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2012, 04:09:21 pm
"Appreciate the Shiitty Hitting"

Now now, it cant be shiity hitting, we got rid of the culprit Greg Walker. And Manto is a great coach who is making .300 hitters out of our weak hitters. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 09, 2012, 11:42:04 am
The hitting's not ALL shiitty.

Konerko, Dunn, and A.J. have been good.

In fact, don't look now, but Dunn is posting some very nice numbers in homers, RBI, and OPS so far. 

I'm hoping that Alexei is just have his usual slow start.

Beckham and Morel need to GO.  Morel especially does not look like a major league player out there.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 09, 2012, 12:02:29 pm
Konerko, Dunn, and A.J. have been good.

Don't forget Rios. He's having a great year so far and has single handedly won 2 games for us. It's Beckham and Morel that's killing this lineup. Morel especially needs to be gone. However, in a year where we're not supposed to be competing for anything, do you just leave him in there to go through some growing pains?

I remember in '05 I was so disgusted with Joe Crede and was so hoping he would be traded at the deadline that year. Then all of a sudden he just turned it on and was all-star caliber the rest of the year and through the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 09, 2012, 01:57:14 pm
Uh oh...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-sale-to-undergo-mri-on-left-arm-20120509,0,7661412.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 09, 2012, 02:04:31 pm

Yet, there was this from last night after the game.  What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here?


Sale said his arm feels great and that the subject of starting again is on the burner.


http://www.suntimes.com/sports/12406447-419/white-sox-beat-indians-in-10-chris-sale-wants-to-start.html
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 09, 2012, 02:39:03 pm
He's hurt... he looked off in his inning last nite as well.

Cant say we didnt see this coming.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 09, 2012, 04:14:10 pm
Just get the fricking TJ surgery done, see ya next year, tho not same self until 2nd year. Pretty simple operation nowadays, just need two full years.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 10, 2012, 05:23:09 am
Quote

Cold corner: Third baseman Brent Morel was scratched from the lineup because of lower back soreness. Escobar started in his place.

Morel is 0-for-10 and is batting only .172 overall, but the Sox have few long-term options because Escobar has played shortstop for most of his career.

Triple-A Charlotte third baseman Dallas McPherson will be sidelined for about two more weeks because of an abdomen injury and Conor Jackson will be lost for a month because of a left hand fracture.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0510-white-sox-indians-chicago--20120510,0,3681027.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0510-white-sox-indians-chicago--20120510,0,3681027.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 10, 2012, 08:02:41 am
There must be someone at Bristol who can hit as well, heh
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 11, 2012, 12:49:56 pm

[Last] Friday, the Sox announced Sale was out of the rotation because of lingering soreness in his pitching elbow. Privately, his fellow pitchers weren’t surprised because Sale still was searching for a changeup as a third pitch, so he was relying on a heavy dose of sliders.
 
According to Fangraphs, 30 percent of Sale’s pitches were sliders. That’s fine for one inning out of the bullpen, but over six-plus innings? Good luck.




http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/12428996-452/chris-sale-saga-raises-questions-about-sox.html
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 11, 2012, 08:19:53 pm
 

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Back to White Sox rotation for Chris Sale
MRI on Chris Sale’s elbow is clean, he will return to White Sox rotation


CHICAGO (AP) - Chris Sale made his pitch. Did he ever. The Chicago White Sox's young lefty convinced general manager Ken Williams that the discomfort he felt in his elbow was normal soreness and not pain from a major injury.

An MRI came out clean to back up his claim and on Friday the White Sox decided to put him back in the starting rotation, a week after he was sent to the bullpen as a precautionary measure. He's scheduled to start Saturday against Kansas City.

"At the end of the day, we're all on the same side. They've had my best interest in mind since the day I got here. They'd rather be too cautious than not cautious enough. I got no complaints, because at the end of the day, they truly are looking out for my best interests,'' Sale said Friday after a meeting that included Williams, manager Robin Ventura and members of the medical and coaching staff.

"It was just something that might have been maybe a little early, as far as making a move before getting an MRI, making sure 100 percent that I wasn't able to do it,'' Sale added. "At the end of the day, it all came through and worked out well.''

Read more:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/wires/05/11/2010.ap.bba.white.sox.sale.1st.ld.writethru.0636/ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/baseball/mlb/wires/05/11/2010.ap.bba.white.sox.sale.1st.ld.writethru.0636/)

 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 12, 2012, 08:24:54 am
I am guessing he will not last long this year. I am going to just take a guess and say over 1/2 of the pitchers who get TJ surgery are told it is just fine after the first series of MRIs. Sure seems that way.

Why would his agent be so pissed we are looking out for him? The kid could make quicker big money as a closer than a 12 game winner out of the rotation. Never understood why guys resist it so much.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 12, 2012, 10:10:26 am
I see a repeat of the whole Strasberg thing for Sale.  Hate to say it, and hope it doesn't happen, but...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 12, 2012, 01:25:20 pm
I am just glad its an elbow and not a shoulder
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2012, 03:36:42 pm

If anyone was wondering about the black diamond patch with the initials "BMS" that the CWS are wearing on their right shoulder, they're there to honor the late  Bill 'Moose' Skowron.


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There is also a black diamond with the word “Moose” is on the padding next to the White Sox on-deck circle:

(http://mlblogswhitesoxpride.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/moose-diamond1.jpg?w=1014)







Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 14, 2012, 01:15:59 pm
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5103/5598482094_a855b16b11.jpg)

Well happy Monday my White Sox Forum buddies, and isn't it a beautiful Monday? Why, you couldn't have gotten better weather if you had ordered it! And speaking of weather, just a quick reminder, tomorrow is White Sox Weather Day at beautiful CellularOne Stadium on the south side!

 This is a super-educational field trip that leaves the confines of the classroom behind for a real-world lesson! It's an interactive and fun program about severe weather specific to our region! Weather Day will be highlighted by weather experiments, trivia, video and sound effects. Fun for all ages! Make your plans to attend now!!

Also it features an on-field presentation by WGN Chief Meteorologist Tom Skilling. Wait, wait, what? Oh yeah, I'm not even invited to this phucking thing. Yeah, Tom Skilling, that backstabbing, chipmunk-cheeked asscastle who stole what was rightfully mine when Volkman left. Well guess what phuckstick, paybacks are a bytch. . .just ask your brother Prison Bytch Jeffy, who if I'm not mistaken, has a new neighbor in Blago. God- DAMN - it!! Weather Day blows goats.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 14, 2012, 01:32:43 pm
Ah luv Treamstra posts
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 15, 2012, 11:35:58 am
To make room for Crane, they DFA's Stults.  I'd probably would have sent Private Santaigo down to Charlotte instead... he sucks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-reinstate-reliever-crain-from-dl-20120515,0,2359939.story

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on May 15, 2012, 12:27:31 pm
If only the Sox had a farm club in Guantanamo...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 15, 2012, 02:09:22 pm
Santiago not that bad. He has been solid since replaced as closer. Dude throws real hard for a LH, reminds me of a young Johann Santana (remember, he relieved for a couple years at the start too)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 15, 2012, 02:28:47 pm
If he could replicate Santana's circle change we'd be in good shape :)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 15, 2012, 02:45:43 pm
Ah luv the headline on this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-ventura-nl-strategy-is-obvious-20120515,0,7305357.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 16, 2012, 11:43:05 pm
A really good obituary of Kevin Hickey in the Sun-Times:




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Kevin Hickey, a long shot who fulfilled a neighborhood dream, dies at 56

BY MARK KONKOL | mkonkol@suntimes.com  Updated May 16, 2012 10:06PM


Kevin Hickey never quit.

Not in a bar fight. Not on a ball diamond. Never.

He epitomized South Side toughness. He took no guff.

He wasn’t afraid of anything. Especially not big league hitters.

How do I know? Hickey told me.

Repeatedly, in fact, over the last few months in a series of interviews that would be his last. The folks who know the former major league lefty best — his family, his teammates, big league coaches, Jerry Reinsdorf and Roland Hemond, a guy who gave Hickey more chances at realizing his major league baseball dreams than anyone else — backed up every word of it.

Maybe you’ve heard about Hickey. He’s the street tough from Brighton Park, the stud at 16-inch softball who got laid off at Ryerson Steel and got signed by the White Sox, his favorite team, after throwing just few dozen fastballs at a open tryout at Old Comiskey Park.

And after a long, arduous journey — shoulder injuries, five years in the minors, a big league resurrection with the Orioles, more injuries, retirement, a movie role alongside Charlie Sheen, divorce, poverty, diabetes and eight long years selling used cars — Hickey made it back to the White Sox bench as a batting practice pitcher who was beloved by players.

He died Wednesday from complications of an April 5 seizure that left him in a coma. He was 56.

read more:  http://www.suntimes.com/sports/12569512-419/kevin-hickey-a-long-shot-who-fulfilled-a-neighborhood-dream-dies-at-56.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/12569512-419/kevin-hickey-a-long-shot-who-fulfilled-a-neighborhood-dream-dies-at-56.html)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 17, 2012, 08:59:50 am
Hickeys never really last that long, they tend to fade pretty quickly.

Too soon?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 17, 2012, 10:04:23 am
Great read, thanks Andy.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on May 21, 2012, 10:25:34 am
Now this would be too good. Oh please let it happen. Pretty please with sugar and honey on it.

"If the White Sox were able to make it into the playoffs, it wouldn’t shock me to see Williams step aside at the end of the season. His predecessor Ron Schueler, did that after a 95-win season in 2000. Williams could be a good fit for a broadcasting career -- a la John Hart and Jim Bowden -- and the MLB Network is headquartered in Secaucus, N.J., not far from New York City, where Williams now spends a lot of time after ending his Chicago-Phoenix timeshare."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-williams-johnson-youkilis-20120521,0,916724.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on May 21, 2012, 11:48:46 am
I've always dreamed of retiring in Seacaucus.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 21, 2012, 01:08:48 pm
Actually, I dream of retiring in Wildwood or Cape May.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 29, 2012, 12:47:38 pm
This is week-old news, but the first I am hearing of it:


According to a Sox source, Morel was having issues since the spring with keeping weight on and was feeling lethargic at times, raising a red flag about what was initially thought to be Crohn’s disease. After that was ruled out, there was concern he might have to undergo surgery on his intestine. Celiac disease was thrown around.
 
Morel didn’t want to go into too many details about his issue but said that as of Tuesday, the plan involves a change of diet.
 
‘‘It’s not celiac disease, but it’s just a sensitivity to wheat,’’ he said. ‘‘I have to eat gluten-free, but actually I finally have been able to keep [some weight] on. I went into spring training at 220, and I’m back up to 215 right now. For right now, I just have to have a gluten-free diet, and so far it seems to be OK as we go forward.’’



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/12710854-452/white-sox-3b-brent-morel-hopes-to-escape-fate-of-joe-crede.html
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on May 29, 2012, 05:07:33 pm
Well thats good news. We need a healthy Morel
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 29, 2012, 09:59:14 pm
We're better off with O'Dog than with no hit Morel
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 30, 2012, 08:23:38 am
The question is simple: Who is really in charge?

“Robin,’’ reliever Matt Thornton said without giving a second thought.

“Robin, no doubt,’’ starting pitcher John Danks insisted. “In here, Robin.’’

And don’t think he wasn’t concerned about that perception when he met with Williams and chairman Jerry Reinsdorf when they visited California and offered him the job.

“Oh yeah, I was concerned about that,’’ Ventura admitted. “I think that was a question that was asked because it was so, for lack of a better expression, outside the box. I asked Kenny that. In going over everything that’s there, I wanted to make sure if I’m going to do it, I’m going to do it. I don’t want to do it if someone else is making all the decisions.



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/12829490-452/sox-players-embrace-robin-ventura-as-rookie-skipper-asserts-control.html
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 30, 2012, 08:36:19 am
Get rid of Cooper, then Robin will really be in charge.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 30, 2012, 08:37:08 am
As for Morel, I think Charlotte needs him, not the Sox.  Not major league material.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on May 30, 2012, 08:58:27 am
The only advantage Morel gives us over Hudson is his arm.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 30, 2012, 09:07:34 am
Could not one of them think to say "Charles"?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 30, 2012, 09:23:26 am
Get rid of Cooper, then Robin will really be in charge.

You've made this insinuation more than once. Why do you think Cooper is the one "really in charge?" It doesn't seem that way from any accounts from the players.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: TheCamel on May 30, 2012, 09:43:04 am
Yeah, I don't see the logic in getting rid of Cooper, he's got to be one of the best pitching coaches in all of baseball.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 30, 2012, 10:01:39 am
hes KWs rat.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 30, 2012, 10:06:09 am
hes KWs rat.

How so? Who did he rat on?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 30, 2012, 11:15:53 am
Could not one of them think to say "Charles"?

Hey - Oh!

(http://cdn0.hark.com/images/000/005/918/5918/original.0)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 30, 2012, 03:51:23 pm
Coop is KW's spy in the clubhouse.  He's KW's man.  He has a longer contract than Robin.  I think even in that article Robin admitted that Cooper has more influence than most other teams' pitching coaches.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 30, 2012, 03:54:16 pm
Quote
Yeah, I don't see the logic in getting rid of Cooper, he's got to be one of the best pitching coaches in all of baseball.

Pffft.  There are others out there.

I suppose I'd be higher on him if he wasn't KW's stooge.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on May 31, 2012, 10:20:22 am
I think Coop is a pretty dang good pitching coach.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 03, 2012, 04:02:53 pm


Jake Peavy named the American League Pitcher of the Month (April 2012).

Chris Sale named the American League Pitcher of the Month (May 2012).

So which one of our starters will it be for June?

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 04, 2012, 11:49:31 am
It won't be Floyd, I'd guess.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 04, 2012, 04:15:45 pm
Wont be Danks or Humber either
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 04, 2012, 04:27:27 pm
Reed is going to have the first 20 save month in MLB history...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 04, 2012, 08:13:43 pm
If he does thats a lot of W's. That would be super
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2012, 10:39:46 am
Fuku to the DL, Jordan Danks called up.

One Danks goes to the minors, another comes up.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2012, 01:46:25 pm
Interesting move
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2012, 03:47:57 pm
Jordan Danks gets a familiar number -- #20
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 07, 2012, 04:07:32 pm
Blasphemy.   20 should be retired in honor of Q's stellar record.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2012, 04:10:41 pm
The Mighty Quinn.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2012, 04:15:52 pm
Blasphemy.   20 should be retired in honor of Q's Ron Karkovice's stellar record.

Fixed.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2012, 04:19:18 pm
(http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/events/mothersday/y2008/LAA-MD-275.jpg)

F you guys
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2012, 04:34:48 pm

(http://www.itsalreadysigned4u.com/shop/media/images/product_detail/joelhorlen8x10.jpg)


The best player to wear #20 as a member of the White Sox might be Joe Horlen.


List of White Sox players who wore #20:

Joe Vance 1935
Clint Brown 1936
Bill Dietrich 1936
John Rigney 1937
Pete Appleton 1941
Jimmy Grant 1942
Sam Dente 1953
Sandy Consuegra 1953 – 56
Bill Fischer 1957 – 58
Jonny Romano 1958 – 59
Dick Brown 1960
Jake Striker 1960
Joe Horlen 1961 – 71
Deacon Jones 1962
Hugh Yancy 1970, 74
Johnny Jeter 1973
Nyls Nyman 1974 – 77
Bill Nahorodny 1977
Wayne Nordhagen 1978 – 81
Aurelio Rodriguez 1982
Jerry Dybzinski 1983 – 84
Joe DeSa 1985
Reid Nichols 1985 – 86
Bill Lindsey 1987
Mike Diaz 1988
Mike Woodard 1988
Ron Karkovice 1989 - 97
Jon Garland 2003 – 07
Carlos Quentin 2008 - 11
Jordan Danks 2012-
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2012, 04:48:47 pm

This article is 10 year old.  Has MLB.com really been around for over 10 years?




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Where have you gone, Joel Horlen?

By Jimmy Greenfield / MLB.com / 03/27/2002 8:23 PM ET


This is the second -- wait, check that -- the third retirement for Joel Horlen, and he's just about got it right this time.

Until the phone rings.

On the other end of the call is San Diego Padres pitching prospect Jason Middlebrook, one of his former pupils who is spending his off-season in Austin, Texas, only a few hours drive from Horlen's San Antonio home.

Middlebrook made his Major League debut last season and explains his need for a few pitching tips to help him get through the winter. With that, the 64-year-old Horlen gets in his pickup truck and is off.

"Somebody wants some help, I'll try to help them," Horlen says.

Horlen, a crafty right-hander who never struck out more than 125 batters in a season, found a second career in baseball after his playing days ended, just as many former players do. But in Horlen's case his coaching career didn't begin until 15 years after he threw his last pitch.

Having signed with the White Sox hours after helping Oklahoma State win the 1959 College World Series, Horlen won 113 games in 11 seasons and remained in the organization until 1972, when he was released during Spring Training. He was picked up by Oakland and helped the A's to their first of three straight World Series titles.

In Horlen's era, the Sox were notable for their ability to have an outstanding season and fall just short of a pennant. The Sox won at least 94 games from 1963-65 without getting to the World Series and then finished three games behind Boston in 1967 after a memorable American League pennant race.

Horlen was ecstatic to get his ring after so many close calls with the Sox. But even though he was only 35 and had gone 3-4 with a 3.00 ERA as a spot starter and reliever with the A's, Horlen ended his playing days after the 1972 season.

read more:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/cws/y2002/m03/d27/c1435.jsp (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/content/printer_friendly/cws/y2002/m03/d27/c1435.jsp)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2012, 05:35:45 pm

Bill Nahorodny 1977
Wayne Nordhagen 1978 – 81



Two great "Harry Carey" names, there
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 07, 2012, 06:59:54 pm
There is a restaurant here -  Nordy's BBQ - JohnJeter might like it.  It is not a chain and everyone says it's wonderful.  Loveland doesn't like BBQ and usually succeeds in staying out of the place.  Anyhow, they have a Nordhagen jersey hanging promenantly in the bar.

Pete Ward - it is located by 125 and Crossroads, by the Budweiser Events Center, and they have a place in Old Town  --  Just in case you want to go look at the jersey.  (Of course I can't say if they have a Wayne Nordhagen jersey in the Old Town location.)

http://www.nordysbbq.com/
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 07, 2012, 07:33:11 pm
Andy, its Joel Horlen. Damnit. heh, pet peave of mine. Was looking at some family tree crap my sisters are working got from some of our cousins. Lists me as Joseph. Cripes. Of course, these are the cousins who called us the Easterners cause we lived East of the Mississippi, only family that did. So of course it was too far to travel to visit us.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on June 07, 2012, 08:13:47 pm
Don't get bent out of shape, Joey.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 07, 2012, 08:42:14 pm
heh, my sisters still insist on calling me that!!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2012, 10:42:06 pm
Andy, its Joel Horlen. Damnit. heh, pet peave of mine. Was looking at some family tree crap my sisters are working got from some of our cousins. Lists me as Joseph. Cripes. Of course, these are the cousins who called us the Easterners cause we lived East of the Mississippi, only family that did. So of course it was too far to travel to visit us.

His legal first name is Joel but Horlen also went by Joe.  Just like people named Steven use Steve or Kenneth use Ken or David use Dave or Joseph use Joe, or Jacob use Jake, etc.  Does it bother you that DiMaggio, Namath, Frazier, Torre and Crede are called 'Joe' instead of their legal first name of Joseph?

I have a ball that Horlen autographed in front of me back in 1965 that he signed "Joe Horlen".  If Horlen has no problem signing his name as Joe, why shouldn't I call him 'Joe' too?

More than half of his baseball cards were labeled 'Joe Horlen' and not 'Joel Horlen'.

see some examples of "Joe" Horlen:

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/58574/58574-5Fr.jpg)

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/57963/57963-22Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/68/68-8Fr.jpg)

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/68/68-125Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/68/68-377Fr.jpg)

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/57796/57796-8bFr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/57796/57796-1aFr.jpg)

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/69/69-328Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/9109/9109-12Fr.jpg)

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/70/70-35Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/9956/9956-1Fr.jpg)

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/71/71-345Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/72/72-685Fr.jpg)

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/10106/10106-120Fr.jpg)


BTW, did it bother you when people referred to Griffey as "Ken" when his legal name is actually George Kenneth Griffey Jr. or the 'One Dog" - Kenneth Johnson was called "Lance" and Beckham is called 'Gordon' when his legal first name is James. :)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 08, 2012, 06:53:14 am
I was just giving you crap. I go by Joel and Joe as well. Professionally I was Joel, to my close friends and family I am Joe and Joey.

4n picked up on it, I was not serious, but I do see it as Joel Horlen more often.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 08, 2012, 07:45:43 am
Sometimes Andy is no fun.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 08, 2012, 08:06:45 am
Damn... Andy with the beat-down!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 08, 2012, 09:23:50 am
That was a beatdown for sure
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 08, 2012, 10:27:30 am
It's "Joel" if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

Yeah, can really see why he'd want to shorten it.

Conclusion: Horlen was a colossal deuche who had identity issues and liked confusing the phuck out of people.

Little-known fact: he was also a cross-dresser who went by "Josephine".
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on June 08, 2012, 11:52:47 am
Jhon's pulling your leg, of course.  He went by Jo-elle.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 08, 2012, 03:35:34 pm
heh, my daughter gave her daughter the middle name Joelle. Talk about pissing off my ex, exactly why she picked it I think.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2012, 03:36:15 pm
I was just giving you crap. I go by Joel and Joe as well. Professionally I was Joel, to my close friends and family I am Joe and Joey.

4n picked up on it, I was not serious, but I do see it as Joel Horlen more often.

MSF, I knew you weren't serious.  My post was meant to be light-hearted and sarcastic and not a 'beat down'.  Guess I'll use 'purple font' the next time so you'll know it's sarcasm

.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 08, 2012, 03:40:19 pm
NP, I did not take it as a beatdown, not like these animals on the board suggest, heh. Its all fun.

Jhon, I did hear that Horlen was not the nicest guy in the world, wish I knew where I heard that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 08, 2012, 03:43:44 pm
You probably heard it from Thome.  That miserable bastage never has a kind word about anyone...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 08, 2012, 03:48:46 pm
yeah, probably was that rat bastard
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 12, 2012, 10:09:08 pm
As shiitty as the White Sox' home record is, it happens to be the second-best home record in the AL Central, 1.0 games behind the Injuns (if'n my math is correct).

Ah luv being in a shiitty division.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on June 14, 2012, 10:02:45 am
Schoolgirl, will look for that place next time I am up north.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 14, 2012, 10:21:28 am
Schoolgirl, will look for that place next time I am up north.

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/064/613/gXO4eDo3wjcvpoytj1DzuIGJo1_250.gif)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 15, 2012, 08:15:32 am
Who is that, Jeter?

I would have thought you'd use Alan Thicke for that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 15, 2012, 08:37:10 am
Chris henson...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 15, 2012, 11:28:06 am
Hansen- Henson is muppets.

I'm still trying to figure out what the "Schoolgirl" reference is.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 15, 2012, 01:33:51 pm
I believe that's a reference to Loveland's OLLLLLD user name of "Schoolgirl Loveland"
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 15, 2012, 01:44:48 pm
Quote
I'm still trying to figure out what the "Schoolgirl" reference is.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 15, 2012, 06:22:01 pm
Don't get the Alan Thicke reference.

Fury, let's just say you don't want Chris Hansen showing up on of your "dates".  You know, the ones you bring Mike's Hard Lemonade and a box of Twizzlers to.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 15, 2012, 07:58:51 pm
Don't get the Alan Thicke reference.

Fury, let's just say you don't want Chris Hansen showing on of your "dates".  You know, the ones you bring Mike's Hard Lemonade and a box of Twizzlers to.


Hmmmm... what exactly does "showing on of your 'dates'" mean?

This post is made more hilarious due to NJ's propensity to notice ever one of our Fu0k-ups.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 16, 2012, 06:33:12 am
OK, upon a little research, I see that Hansen has a TV show where he catches older guys who use the Internet to try and pick up young girls.  All is clear to me now.


The Alan Thicke reference was to "schoolgirl" and Thicke's many noted relationships with younger women, particularly Kristy Swanson.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 16, 2012, 12:53:45 pm
Fixt.

Also, I did not know that about Thicke! Funny thing about Hansen, I believe he got caught cheating on his wife via hidden camera! That's rich.

I'm no spelling/grammar Nazi. . .unless there's incidental humor in it.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 16, 2012, 03:15:13 pm
Quote
I'm no spelling/grammar Nazi.

Ahh, but I am.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 16, 2012, 03:19:48 pm
Re: Schoolgirl Looveland, Joseph C. is right - It is an oooold moniker.  One day I believe Irv told us to stop acting like schoolgirls.  I pounced, but while the joke lasted a couple of months in the Trib forums it lives forever with PeteWard. 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 16, 2012, 03:31:23 pm
"Schoolgirl" is kind of creepy. It has its own pr0n category, especially with the Japanese. At least that's what BlackSox told me.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 16, 2012, 07:40:35 pm
You heard about it from Black Sox, I heard it from Alan Thicke.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 18, 2012, 01:28:43 pm
"Schoolgirl" is kind of creepy. It has its own pr0n category, especially with the Japanese. At least that's what BlackSox told me.

I don't know about first hand; just heard about it.   I don't always watch pr0n, but when I do, I go to over 50 . com.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 19, 2012, 07:59:03 am
http://rotoworld.com/player/mlb/1323/john-danks

Danks has a sub-scapula tear in his shoulder.

Can anyone tell us what that means?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on June 19, 2012, 11:18:56 am
It's basically a rotator cuff injury.  The subscapularis is the largest muscle of the rotator cuff, responsible for internally rotating your upper arm. It comes off the back of your rib cage and raps around the front of the head of your upper arm.  Don't know if a "grade 1 tear" refers to an injury to the muscle itself or the tendon as it raps around the humerus.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 19, 2012, 11:23:53 am
Trib sez "no surgery, out 3-6 weeks".

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0619-brite-white-sox-chicago--20120619,0,4583644.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 19, 2012, 04:10:39 pm
You know this had to happen after he got his new deal.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 21, 2012, 11:54:17 am
I don't know about first hand; just heard about it.   I don't always watch pr0n, but when I do, I go to over 50 . com.

I don't always fictionally attribute knowledge of pr0n to other people, but when I do, it's to BlackSox.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on June 21, 2012, 01:39:57 pm
Looking at the Sox' schedule, there are going to be some tough games coming up beginning next week and through July. As we near the trading deadline we should have a good feel for where this team is. If the pitching doesn't stabilize somewhat, we can be out of this thing pretty quickly.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 21, 2012, 07:26:02 pm
@SoxRule, Tigers have won their last four series. 'twill be interesting to see how "mediocre" they are going forward. And yeesh, KC is no slouch. Take a look at their W-L since April and I think they might have the best record in the AL Central.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 22, 2012, 02:49:03 pm
Fuku DFA'd.

Humber on DL.   Bruney called up.   Axlerod to rotation (ugh).
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 22, 2012, 10:53:48 pm
http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8086521/sources-potential-deal-boston-red-sox-3b-kevin-youkilis-nearing

Wsox considered to be in the lead in trading for youk.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 23, 2012, 08:22:24 am
But we already have a plethora of light hitting 3Bmen. Do we need one more?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 24, 2012, 03:49:29 pm
Hawk saying that Youkilis has been traded - pulled from the Boston game in the 7th inning, and was seen giving hugs to all of his teammates.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2012, 03:55:33 pm
Word is it might be Zach Stewary for Yo-Kill-Us.

I'd be cool with that, as Zach Stewart is worthless.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 24, 2012, 03:56:45 pm
Same here. Stewart for Youkilis?

Any word from Mom's Basement?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2012, 04:01:01 pm
.... as is Orlando Hudson
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2012, 04:01:23 pm
let me check...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2012, 04:03:06 pm
...found this there:

JIM BOWDEN‏@JimBowdenESPNxm

Kevin Youkilis has been traded to the White Sox for a Pitcher and Utility player...this has been confirmed by both sides...names to follow
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 24, 2012, 04:08:38 pm
Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.com and ESPN's Jim Bowden are both reporting (via Twitter) the White Sox have acquired Kevin Youkilis from the Red Sox.  Dave Van Dyck of the Chicago Tribune tweets the official announcement is expected after the White Sox complete their game with the Brewers.

Bowden, via Twitter, says the Red Sox will recevie a utility player and a pitcher.

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweets the Red Sox, as of yesterday, were willing to eat about $5MM of the remaining $8MM on Youkilis' contract.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 24, 2012, 04:11:10 pm
I hope it's not Lil'Beast....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2012, 04:14:08 pm
A quick check of Boston's 40-man roster shows that it is at the limit.

So I'd guess its someone not on our 40-man.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 24, 2012, 04:16:59 pm
Unless there was a lil' DFA action going on....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2012, 04:19:21 pm

Jon Heyman‏@JonHeymanCBS

Heard stewart and lillibridge go to red sox in youk deal
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 24, 2012, 04:24:07 pm
Makes sense as to why Escobar is hitting right now instead of Lil'Beast.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2012, 04:28:26 pm
Yep.  And I didn't see #18 on the field during the walk-off celebration.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 24, 2012, 04:57:28 pm
Goofs.  Lili was already used as a pinch runner in the 8th, or was it the 9th....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 24, 2012, 05:02:48 pm
Lilli pinch ran for Konerko, stayed in lineup as DH, was due up, but trade had occurred, so Escobar basically pinch hit for Lilli.

I did not want Youkalis, but I like the trade as we gave up a shitty pitcher and a utility man we never let hit. Viciedo plays good enough D to stay in the game now. Danks can sub any of the spots if needed.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 24, 2012, 05:28:46 pm
Low risk move considering what we gave up...

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 24, 2012, 05:32:12 pm
Oh yay!  I'm the goof - perfect.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 24, 2012, 06:13:09 pm
I like this trade. $2.5M and spare parts (though I did like Lil'Beast) for Youkilis.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 24, 2012, 06:35:47 pm
I like this trade. $2.5M and spare parts (though I did like Lil'Beast) for Youkilis.

I liked 2011 Lillibridge. 

2012 Lillibridge won't be missed. 

He sucked.


Year     BAvg.    SLG %    OBP   OPS    OPS+   K     BB   


2012     .175     .190      .232   .422      16     26      4
 
2011     .258     .505      .340   .845     123    62     17




Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on June 25, 2012, 07:05:39 am
The way I see it we gave up nothing for nothing. And nothing from nothing is nothing. Yuck sucks.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 25, 2012, 10:37:11 am
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Billy_Preston.jpg/250px-Billy_Preston.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 25, 2012, 10:39:59 am
From Hudson to Youkilis, then Youkilis gets hurt. . .again, then it's back to Hudson. Will it go 'round in circles?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 25, 2012, 12:41:02 pm
Will Youk hit the ball so high like a bird up in the sky?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on June 25, 2012, 01:19:17 pm
Any comparison between 2011 and 2012 Lillibridge is unfair.  The guy hasn't been given a chance to do much of anything other than pinch-run and defensive sub.  He's officially my new Ross Gload -- the guy that should have been a nice .290 hitter if the Sox had given him a legitimate shot at a starting job.  It's a sort of Joe Schlobotnik fixation that I have.

That said, I like the deal, for what it might bring for the Sox.  Slot Youkilis somewhere among Viciedo/Ramirez/AJ, and the lineup looks much more formidable.  Just removing Hudson from the lineup is an improvement at this point.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 25, 2012, 01:27:35 pm
Ross Gload... i remember demanding PK be the DH so we can have him be a regular...

Paul Konerko... ruining dreams since 1999... FYI hes a card carrying member of the Jim Thome Fan club.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 25, 2012, 02:27:18 pm
I think I was absent from these boards for awhile when you guys all developed this hard-on for Thome.  Mystifying.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 25, 2012, 02:28:09 pm
Oh yeah, and I love this trade.  If Youk gets back on track with us, it's a great deal.  Boston is eating a lot of his contract.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 25, 2012, 02:42:25 pm
Boston is eating a lot of his contract.

That goes well with thawed out lobster, or so I have been told.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on June 25, 2012, 03:10:17 pm
It's kind of nice hearing reports of how it was the White Sox who got a steal of deal with this trade. Lots of good buzz going around for us, finally.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 25, 2012, 03:40:26 pm
We really can't lose. Escobar can replace Lillibridge's role and, quite frankly, improve upon it this year.
Youkilis can't be any worse than what we've been trotting out there and is most likely to be a far sight better.
Hudson can be traded, released or relegated to waterboy. Whatever helps the most.

Still think we need to trade for a starter, you'd have to be overly optimistic to expect Peavy/Sale/Quintana to continue.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 25, 2012, 03:41:37 pm
I concur with 4. 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 25, 2012, 04:12:29 pm
Sale... will be shut down in august... if my math is correct he should hit his innings limit mid august.

Unless KW decides screw the kids arm lets just pitch him till it falls off..
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 25, 2012, 04:13:03 pm
Any comparison between 2011 and 2012 Lillibridge is unfair.  The guy hasn't been given a chance to do much of anything other than pinch-run and defensive sub.  He's officially my new Ross Gload -- the guy that should have been a nice .290 hitter if the Sox had given him a legitimate shot at a starting job.  It's a sort of Joe Schlobotnik fixation that I have.

That said, I like the deal, for what it might bring for the Sox.  Slot Youkilis somewhere among Viciedo/Ramirez/AJ, and the lineup looks much more formidable.  Just removing Hudson from the lineup is an improvement at this point.


The White Sox have played 72 games this season.  Roughly the same amount as they played in the 2nd half of 2011 (they played in 70 games after the All-Star break).

If you look at the 'splits' from the 2nd half of 2011 and this year's total, Lillibridge's plate appearance totals are very close in both 'splits'.  It's his 2012 performance that's down.  Way down, like falling off the cliff down.

A Slugging Average under .200 (.190)! An OBP drop of 107 points . A Slugging Percentage drop of a mind-boggling 379 points!  An OPS drop of 476 points!  He just plain old sucks this season and no amount of excuses for lack of playing time explains the huge dropoff in his performance since his 2012 PAs are similar to the 2nd half of 2011.



Year (half)    G    PA   AB    R    H  2B  3B   HR  RBI  BB  SO   BAvg    OBP    SLG    OPS   


2011 (2nd)   39   75   65   16   17   2    0    6    14    6   23    .262   .329   .569   .898   

2012 (1st)    49   70   63   10   11   1    0    0     2    4   26    .175   .232   .190   .422   






Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on June 25, 2012, 05:47:37 pm
Rather than providing subjective timeframes like those, Andy, how about looking at his numbers when he was given regular playing time compared to playing 5 games a month.  Last year he started 12 games alone in a single month and produced some decent stats.  This year it looks like he's started 13 games total over almost three months.  I think a lot of players would agree that it's harder to get any kind of streak going when you're sitting 5 games a week, as opposed to getting 3-4 starts per week. 

That is what I meant by not being a fair comparison.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 25, 2012, 10:02:17 pm
I've now had Billy Preston tunes running through my head all phucking day, at work and during my workout and during my evening Sox-viewing-drinking-hours -- these tunes include the instrumental "Space Race".

I hate you BlackSox.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 26, 2012, 09:36:37 am
heh, I listened to Space Race yesterday....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 26, 2012, 10:32:56 am
I thought I remembered him playing with the Rolling Stones on a tour and sure enough, googling that bears that out.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 26, 2012, 02:02:46 pm
I always admired his hair.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 26, 2012, 02:11:42 pm
Incidentally, the name of his first album was "The Most Exciting Organ Ever."  Hmmm.  I imagine he'd have to prove that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 27, 2012, 09:13:12 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-let-emerging-ace-chris-sale-test-his-limits.html

A quick piece on the Sox not putting an innings cap on Sale.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 27, 2012, 09:19:32 pm
Nice read, thank you.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 27, 2012, 09:22:07 pm
...and of course, I read the discussion on Sale you guys were having in the other thread right after I post this one....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 28, 2012, 01:40:54 pm
Septimo gets the call.

Surprising, as I don't think he was on the 40-man.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 28, 2012, 03:08:22 pm
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/13451919-574/sox-making-inner-city-pitch-with-double-duty-all-star-game.html

Can someone please explain to me why decedents of African slaves in Cuba, or Mexico, or South and Central America are not African American, or Negro to but it more broadly?  Just because they speak Spanish doesn't remove their ancestry, they are still of African Negro decent - every bit as much as Jackie Robinson.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 28, 2012, 03:45:23 pm
Surprising, as I don't think he was on the 40-man.

Why surprising? I thought this guy was a 6-year minor league FA type and really did not have a clock running on when he had to be put on 40 man.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 28, 2012, 03:47:22 pm
Can someone please explain to me why decedents of African slaves in Cuba, or Mexico, or South and Central America are not African American, or Negro to but it more broadly?  Just because they speak Spanish doesn't remove their ancestry, they are still of African Negro decent - every bit as much as Jackie Robinson.

Good point Love.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 28, 2012, 05:12:25 pm
Septimo gets the call.

Surprising, as I don't think he was on the 40-man.

The White Sox had a few open spots on the 40-man roster BEFORE they even made the 2-for-1 trade for Youkilis and DFA'ed Ohman.  After all the moves, they still have 3 'open' spots of the 40-man roster.

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws)



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 29, 2012, 12:08:02 am
Just figured they'd go with a guy already on the 40-man.  Less paperwork.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 29, 2012, 09:26:58 am
heh.

Sounds like a guy on the Canada fishing trip. He is driving his diesel pickup, me and my buddy are riding in the cab with him. Returning from the Lake and we are heading into Kakabaka Fall in Ontario. Our first stop from out of the bush, we always stop for gas and ice cream cones. The guy is driving faster than hell, and he never pays attention to anything.

A motorcycle all of a sudden appears on a side road and looks like it is going to dart right in front of us. My buddy and I yell, watch out Ritchie!!!! He slams on the breaks (hauling 3 boats as we have one on the topper and one on top of the one we are pulling) and I just closed my eyes. Well, the bike did not pull out, but we were all breathing hard and the other guy says, think of the freaking mess there would have been with all the weight we have. All the driver can do is sigh and say, "Think of the paperwork".

I laughed so freaking loud.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 29, 2012, 01:00:48 pm
The fellers over at SoxTalk say that Omogrosso got called up.   Speculating that Crain is going back on the DL.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 29, 2012, 02:16:18 pm
Omogrosso up, Bruney on the DL.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 29, 2012, 02:50:45 pm
The ISF clan will be in attendance for the "Star Wars Day" tilt on 9/8 vs. the Royals...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 03, 2012, 08:17:47 pm
I do not like Youkilis 2nd, why mess with Beckham, he has been over .300 all month. Now he is going to go into the abyss, just watch.

Looks like you called it, msf.  Gordo's racking up a slew of oh-fers since dropping back to the 9th spot.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 03, 2012, 08:35:03 pm
yeah, but looking at the lineup, who bats last then? Ramirez? Viciedo? Youk? They probably have it right, Youkilis is hitting, has a couple hits tonight including a homer.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 03, 2012, 08:40:58 pm
Ramirez and his 2 HRs bat last.

I'd actually be inclined to throw Youkilis in the #3 hole just to get Dunn out of there.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 03, 2012, 09:13:02 pm
Ramirez and his 2 HRs bat last.

I'd actually be inclined to throw Youkilis in the #3 hole just to get Dunn out of there.

I agree drop dunn to 5th...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on July 03, 2012, 11:21:17 pm
Dunn stays at 3.

Youk hits either after Paulie or after Rios.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 04, 2012, 09:10:18 am
• The White Sox had 10 hits in 15 at-bats with runners in scoring position Tuesday, raising their Major League-best average with RISP to .303. They are hitting .359 (107-for-289) with RISP in their last 34 games.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 04, 2012, 12:21:27 pm
From espn.com:

The lanky lefty will likely not pitch again before the break and then be available for the All-Star game in a week.

So Sale will participate in the ASG, might even start, and will pitch an inning or two max.  The kid can then pick up his next start on Saturday or Sunday after the break on normal rest.

But Sox mgmt will skip his final turn in the rotation -- against a power-hitting club while the Sox are in the middle of what could very well be a tight race in the AL Central?  Anybody besides me a bit baffled by the priorities and/or logic here? 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 04, 2012, 12:34:49 pm
yeah, I am. Pitch him Sunday, F the AS game.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 04, 2012, 12:39:07 pm
dont pitch him at all! skip one start and the ASG!

we're going to need him in sept/oct.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 04, 2012, 05:15:17 pm
The way I heard "them" explain it is Sale was going to skip a start anyways (he will do that from time to time the rest of the year), and that they have requested he only throw one inning, which wil count as the usual "side session" he normally has between starts.


meanwhile, Crain on the DL, Heath gets the call:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-heath-becomes-10th-rookie-on-soxs-roster-20120704,0,1802138.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on July 05, 2012, 04:45:44 pm
I will still go on record saying I do not like Kenny as a GM... however, this year is working out well for him so far, and I won't quarrel with results.

I do like Ventura as manager, although I will always be an Ozzie fan.   Two different styles of managing... each can work well in different situations.

Ventura seems to learn his lessons pretty well as he goes along.

We're still the only team in the AL Central with a positive run differential.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 08, 2012, 04:54:52 pm
Time to get Dunn and his feast-or-famine results out of the #3 spot.  Youkilis is the guy that ought to be there now.

De Aza
Beckham
Youkilis
Konerko
Dunn
Rios
Viciedo
AJ
Ramirez
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on July 08, 2012, 10:13:03 pm
I can agree with that but dont like Beckham in the 2 hole. Ramirez is way overdue to heat up. Maybe move Ramirez to the 2 hole.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 10, 2012, 03:41:39 pm
Jheter - a [brief] story about the making of the Beckham Imitates Peavy Video (interesting -- you have to answer two questions to view the article):

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20120708/sports/707089814/
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on July 12, 2012, 09:12:12 am
As of today (the ASB), Baseball Prospectus projects odds of 87.8% for the Sox to make it to the postseason.

So we've got that going for us... which is nice.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 12, 2012, 09:25:32 am
making of the Beckham Imitates Peavy Video

Thanks, it makes it even funnier to picture Konerko behind the cameras "directing".
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on July 12, 2012, 09:53:14 pm
As of today (the ASB), Baseball Prospectus projects odds of 87.8% for the Sox to make it to the postseason.

So we've got that going for us... which is nice.

I subscribe to Murphy's Law theory.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 12, 2012, 09:55:28 pm
Shocking,
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on July 13, 2012, 09:03:11 am
Yahoo! Sports' MLB Power Rankings (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/power-rankings--yankees-knock-rangers-from-top-spot.html;_ylt=AuD2uVmJ0RcbbmVRFowvqxcRvLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1bHZsamZuBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBNTEIEcGtnAzY2ZjlhODNjLTc0MDItM2JmMC1iNzk2LWZjNDRmMzZjYzUwOARwb3MDMQRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzc0MDEyMmUwLWNjNWEtMTFlMS05OWYyLTg0YzA1YjQ2ZTc3Zg--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoODgyNmttBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANtbGIEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3)

These rankings confirm two things:
1) The Sox are starting to be taken seriously around the media
2) Tim Brown needs to stop trying to use "humor."
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on July 13, 2012, 09:16:07 am
Man, seeing the Bucs at #6 looks like a typo...

Good for them and their long-suffering fans.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 13, 2012, 09:39:52 am
2) Tim Brown needs to stop trying to use "humor."

Thanks for the warning. Wow. Who amongst the typical demo that would read this piece is going to find any of that funny? Did he even consider that as he was writing it? All he needed to do was look at "Occupy Tebow" to see that the online audience (under the age of oh, 70) is WAY beyond this"humor". Btw, that's still going. And still funny.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 13, 2012, 01:05:12 pm
Never heard of this cat:


Mark Gonzales ‏@MDGonzales

Jhan Marinez recalled from Triple-A Charlotte.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 13, 2012, 01:08:17 pm
got him from the marlins for Ozzie.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 13, 2012, 01:09:11 pm
http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/jhan-marinez/
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 13, 2012, 01:15:16 pm
A Dominican who will probably be most-remembered for being one of the prospects traded for new Miami manager Ozzie Guillen, Jhan Marinez is a bit of an under-the-radar sleeper prospect now in the White Sox system who doesn't get as much attention as he probably deserves, despite his appearance in the Futures Game last season. Marinez is a slight player with a power fastball that can touch 98, but he has more success with his two-seamer, a 92mph offering with exceptional movement. His change and slider still need to improve before they're ready for the big stage, but he has so much raw talent that he's bound to make it sooner or later.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 13, 2012, 01:21:42 pm
Jhan

Cool name for sure.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 13, 2012, 01:43:31 pm
Jhan

Remember that, en Espanol, the J does not match the English pronunciation of that letter, the H will likely be silent, and he uses the dialect from the Azua provincia for the AN.  I believe that the correct pronunciation is "Arnold".
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on July 13, 2012, 03:11:01 pm
Jhan

Cool name for sure.

I knew that would pic Jeter's interest
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on July 13, 2012, 03:15:23 pm
Also from the link to the Martinez article was this:

Marinez will be the 11th rookie to appear on the White Sox's 25-man roster this season.

Interesting. And thats from a farm system without talent
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on July 13, 2012, 03:24:13 pm
got him from the marlins for Ozzie.

Would be especially sweet if this youngin comes in and plays a key role in leading the Beloved to the WS.

Maybe JR could offer Ozzie some free seats in the UD to watch the games

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on July 16, 2012, 12:29:14 pm
Quote
I believe that the correct pronunciation is "Arnold".

That was good.

I'm thinking that "Jhan" is a cross between "Jhonny" (which I always make sure to pronounce "Juh-Honny") and "Juan."

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 17, 2012, 02:17:02 pm
URL sez it all:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-put-floyd-on-dl-humber-activated-20120717,0,7591324.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 18, 2012, 01:12:54 pm
Bad news... Jhan Marinez was sent back down to the minors to make room for Pedro Hernandez.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on July 18, 2012, 04:30:55 pm
Quote
Bad news... Jhan Marinez was sent back down to the minors to make room for Pedro Hernandez get another vowel.

Had to fix that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on July 18, 2012, 10:23:31 pm
Is that vowel or bowel.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 19, 2012, 09:36:32 am
And I think he meant consonant.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 19, 2012, 01:09:49 pm
(http://wishiweretherenow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/bob-barker.jpg)



Donnie Veal, come on down!

http://twitter.com/whitesox
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 19, 2012, 01:51:11 pm
And let the puns and wordplay begin!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 19, 2012, 02:17:47 pm
Okay.

(http://steeshes.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/alan-shemper-mustache.jpg)

Thanks, you're a great audience!  Try the veal, its fantastic...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 19, 2012, 02:35:46 pm
We can save this one for his first bad outing

(http://blog.timesunion.com/tablehopping/files/2007/07/pounding-veal.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 19, 2012, 03:05:32 pm
Guess with Septimo effort in his loss the other night we decided to bring up a LH. In fact, I would have rather kept Heath up to make the start that was made by Hernandez, and then we could have just swapped Veal for Septimo. Oh well, maybe cause Thornton sucks monkey balls we have to have the extra LH in the pen.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 19, 2012, 09:02:30 pm
I loved BlackSox's "classic" approach, but Method's was covered in awesomeness sauce as the kids say. Let us hope we will never have to use it, but I think we will.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 21, 2012, 02:27:05 pm
Brian Omogrosso sent back to Triple-A as Jesse Crain comes off the DL:

Quote


    @AdamHogeCBS: Jesse Crain is back. Brian Omogrosso optioned to Charlotte. #WhiteSox



http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-white-sox/2012/7/21/3174267/white-sox-roster-update-jesse-crain-set-to-return (http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-white-sox/2012/7/21/3174267/white-sox-roster-update-jesse-crain-set-to-return)


Also:  White Sox acquire pitcher Brett Myers from the Houston Astros. No report yet and what they gave up for him (see Trade & Rumors thread).



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 23, 2012, 09:17:11 pm
.186 / .255 / .286 / .541

Beckham's splits in the #9 slot.  Compared to .729 OPS (not great, but acceptable) while hitting #2.  I hope Robin has the both the common sense and cojones to move him.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 24, 2012, 09:34:26 am
I wouldn't feel bad if KW decided to move him. Miami is in sell-mode, see if you can't package him with a couple prospects for Hanley Ramirez.
Then let the Ramirez boys fight over who plays SS/2B.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 31, 2012, 08:22:27 pm
Is the headline "Danks to have season-ending surgery" news to anyone? Surprise, yeah, no.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 31, 2012, 08:33:57 pm
no surprise
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 31, 2012, 08:50:45 pm
Kinda explains why he signed that deal... I was shocked when he did it... Seems he's always maintained maximizing his payday... iirc 2 years ago when floyd signed his deal we offered danks a sweat heart deal and he turned it down...

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 01, 2012, 10:44:54 am
Nice praise for KW's work:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8220697/mlb-deadline-day-winners-losers

The White Sox, meanwhile, did what they seem to do this time every year: They listen to everybody spout off about how they have no prospects to trade and no money to spend. Then they make some of the best deals out there to be made. Well, maverick GM Kenny Williams did it again -- reeling in Kevin Youkilis, Brett Myers and Francisco Liriano at shockingly low prices. Listen to how his peers talked about him:


"I think Kenny Williams was the star of the deadline," one AL executive said. "He gives up nothing. He's not eating money. And he's getting all these guys who can really help him."
"Kenny just keeps going," said an NL exec. "He's relentless at what he does. He keeps it moving. And he doesn't like taking no for an answer."

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 01, 2012, 11:01:27 am
Meh.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on August 01, 2012, 11:13:27 am
i agree... i wish he'd landed Grienke... but considering what we gave up... we got the best bat that was traded... and if we get the Francisco i saw last nite... a good SP and RP.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 01, 2012, 01:21:25 pm
Being the stadium announcer at White Sox and Blackhawks games is nice...   announcing at the NCAA Final Four is swell and all...    but Gene Honda had finally moved up in the world.

He is now the stadium announcer for your Fighting Illini Football.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on August 01, 2012, 01:46:54 pm
Ahhh.  Seems just like yesterday that your BlackSox's, boatdrink's, et al were discussing all things large and small with one Gene Honda in the BP bar.

Memories....

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on August 01, 2012, 04:02:20 pm
The Cub portion of that ESPN piece was the true gem.  Thanks for the chuckle Rule.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 01, 2012, 04:18:37 pm
"Kenny just keeps going," said an NL exec. "He's relentless at what he does. He keeps it moving. And he doesn't like taking no for an answer."


No wonder he typically seems to throw in one too many prospects. Not so this round.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 06, 2012, 02:47:24 pm

John Danks is expected to be ready for the start of spring training next February after undergoing surgery Monday to repair a capsular tear and minor debridements of the rotator cuff and biceps in his left shoulder.

The surgery revealed a normal labrum.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-danks-surgery-destined-to-be-more-than-exploratory-20120806,0,1808452.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on August 06, 2012, 04:15:12 pm
normal labrum

You did a few gigs with those guys, right?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 06, 2012, 04:39:37 pm
That's not a band, its a "banned" WSI poster.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 06, 2012, 08:54:04 pm
If we need another starter, I would rather Axelrod get recalled and start it rather than Humber. We could release Humber and I would be ok with it. Axelrod went 6 shutout innings this evening in Charlotte's 1-0 win.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on August 06, 2012, 08:55:56 pm
Wouldnt mind seeing Santiago again either...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 06, 2012, 09:02:53 pm
Santiago is being converted back to a starter, he could possibly be Liriano-like, he throws hard, just needs to get consistent.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 06, 2012, 09:28:20 pm
If we need another starter, I would rather Axelrod get recalled and start it rather than Humber. We could release Humber and I would be ok with it. Axelrod went 6 shutout innings this evening in Charlotte's 1-0 win.

Not me.  I wouldn't want to release any starting pitcher that could be signed by another contender.  I don't want to see any player we release have the chance to come back and hurt us this season.  Better to bury him in the bullpen as a long reliever then release him to be signed by another team where he has a chance to hurt us if they 'fix' him. If you're going to release somebody, make it after the season.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 07, 2012, 01:12:35 pm
(http://content.hollywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/adam-corolla.jpg) + (http://www.draftsite.com/images/playerfaces/9662.jpg) = (http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/.e1d/img/4.0/global/baseball/mlb/players/9060.jpg)

Adam Corolla + Joe Borchard = Dylan Axelrod?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 13, 2012, 01:28:17 pm
JorDanks sent to AAA, Donnie Veal recalled.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 16, 2012, 10:30:43 pm
AJ needs to be resigned for whatever, his past 8 years, especially this year scream that. Another few good years from him may deserve a statue in the park.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 16, 2012, 10:52:18 pm
They may not get another 25-HR season out of AJ, but whatever they get from him, he's worth every penny.  That play where he scored from first on a ball that never left the infield says it all.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 16, 2012, 10:57:14 pm

When Pierzynski's career is over, I'd sure like to see him stay with the White Sox and added to the coaching staff as the 'bench coach'.  Got to think he'd be a big help to a manager with in-game strategy.


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 17, 2012, 12:08:41 am
He's a keep for pure smarts. Might be a bit too snarky to be a manager, but maybe not so much once he stops playing.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on August 17, 2012, 09:08:43 am
snarky

Snicker.  Perfect
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 17, 2012, 01:10:08 pm
O-Hud & Septimo to DL (hmm...), Konerko activated, Santiago recalled.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 17, 2012, 01:16:47 pm
I wonder if Septimo to the DL is just the Sox's way of giving him a week or so off, then being able to legally send him down to the minors for "rehab."

Remember that Santiano was sent down (instead of Septimo) purely because Septimo is out of options....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 17, 2012, 01:21:27 pm
Shift Leader at the local Hardee's seems like a suitable option for him.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 17, 2012, 01:34:09 pm
Better yet, White Castle.  He can work on his slider there.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on August 17, 2012, 02:17:13 pm
Heh.  I'll admit to chuckling on that one...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 17, 2012, 03:32:15 pm
Yeah, well done, 4n.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 21, 2012, 10:24:13 am
Looks like De Aza is going to the De Ell, and JorDanks getting called up
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 21, 2012, 01:37:57 pm
Couple o' nuggets:


General manager Ken Williams confirmed that more players than he budgeted for will be promoted from the minors on or after Sept. 1 when 25-man rosters can be expanded. But he said some will join the Sox after Sept. 1 because the Knights have qualified for the International League playoffs.

Williams didn't sound optimistic about acquiring a player through waivers.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0821-bits-white-sox-yankees--20120821,0,3151091.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 21, 2012, 06:25:04 pm
There will have to be some deletions from the present 40-man roster by September 1st if they plan to promote any position players.  The 40-man roster is full and top heavy with 25 pitchers.  There isn't a third catcher on the 40-man.  There are no position players in the minors that are currently part of the White Sox 40-man roster other than Brent Morel.  A couple of players need to join John Danks on the 60-man DL or be removed from the 40-man roster if the White Sox want Josh Phegley and Dan Johnson to join the major league club in September.

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/team/roster_40man.jsp?c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 21, 2012, 10:16:13 pm
Was hoping someone would catch that.

One would think that a Beat Writer would know that information, considering its his Full Time Job...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 22, 2012, 10:37:28 am
Quote
...There are no position players in the minors that are currently part of the White Sox 40-man roster other than Brent Morel...

Brent who?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 22, 2012, 10:39:12 am
heh, hitting .190 in AAA. Doubt we see him again in a Sox uniform in a regular season game.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 22, 2012, 10:47:19 am
If you would've told me that Francisco Liriano, Kevin Youkilis (+ cash!), and Brett Myers could be had for a total of Lil'Beast, Zach Stewart, and a bunch of minor league spare parts, I would've thought you were nuts.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on August 22, 2012, 11:12:11 am
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/jondun5/futr.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 22, 2012, 04:53:39 pm
I think I see a lobster in that visor reflection.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 23, 2012, 09:11:55 pm
Kevin Hickey funeral most WSox attend, ledgend Johnny Peskey funeral 4 RSox attend.

There is a reason we are in first and they are imploding

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BOSTON -- David Ortiz, one of four Red Sox players who attended Monday's funeral for Sox icon Johnny Pesky, said all of his teammates "probably" should have attended, "but I'm nobody to say who should and who should not [have gone]."
 
A front-page story in Thursday's Boston Herald noted that Ortiz, pitchers Vicente Padilla and Clay Buchholz and catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia were the only current players to attend, along with manager Bobby Valentine. Two busloads of other Red Sox employees and front-office officials -- numbering more than 100 in all -- also attended the funeral, which was held in Swampscott, the same North Shore town in which Pesky, 92, lived for decades.
 
The Red Sox did not arrive from New York, where they had played in a nationally televised game Sunday night, until around 4 a.m. Monday, according to club officials. New York was the last stop on a three-city, 11-day trip that had begun Aug. 8 with a flight to Cleveland.
 
"Me personally, I was close to Johnny and when it comes down to his funeral situation, there's no reason why you don't show up when a friend passes away," Ortiz said. "I felt like I needed to be there for him and his family. Everybody has their particular reasons why some of the guys didn't show up. We came back from New York very late and some of the guys probably had some things to do that day and that's probably the reason why some of the guys didn't show up."

read more:  http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8298065/david-ortiz-not-mad-boston-red-sox-johnny-pesky-funeral-no-shows (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8298065/david-ortiz-not-mad-boston-red-sox-johnny-pesky-funeral-no-shows)


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Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 23, 2012, 09:45:39 pm
Love to see the bean-eaters imploding.  Only problem is that the mainstream sports media sees their turmoil as newsworthy and we still have to hear about them.  Hopefully a few years of being also-rans will usher in a new era of irrelevance for them.   We can hope.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 24, 2012, 09:20:38 am
I liked what Ortiz said and did.  He showed some class.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 25, 2012, 09:11:14 am
My parents were at the game last night, and my dad's new favorite player is now Hector Santiago.

He said Santiago was out by the foul pole signing autographs for every kid who asked for one... basically all the way up until first pitch. The last kid in line was a little girl (no older than 6 or 7), who had nothing to sign.
It looked like Santiago told her to come back at the end of the inning.

When she returned, she still came back empty handed, so he went back and grabbed a ball from the bullpen to sign for her.

Just kind of cool to see players go out of their way to take care of the young fans like that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 25, 2012, 09:39:25 pm
Definitely a case to be made for Ventura as MOY -- not sure that he can overtake Showalter and/or Melvin in the media poll though.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 26, 2012, 08:40:10 am
Ventura has made some questionable bullpen moves this year but for the most part you have to like what he's done with the team and the coaching staff he's surrounded himself with. He's instituted fielders taking fielding practice before games and it shows, pitchers are holding runners better, our catchers are actually throwing out baserunners, our offense doesn't roll over and die once they give up a lead or fall behind 3-0 in the first inning.

To me, that has been the most fun aspect of the team this year -- the fact that they don't quit. If the score is within reach you just feel like they're either going to come back or at least make it interesting. After Friday night's 9th inning bullpen collapse, last year's team would have gone down 1-2-3 in the bottom of the 9th. But this year they don't give up that easily.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 26, 2012, 08:58:00 am
yep, Robin has been a good steadying influence. I think the team is more confident and little things do not seem to bother each player as much. Ozzie had guys on pins and needles. Fundamentals are soooooo important.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 26, 2012, 01:03:03 pm
Nice story, JC.  Looks like Private Santiago has been trained well!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 27, 2012, 10:01:21 am
Sox don outlandish pants! Wacky!

http://www.csnchicago.com/v11_photogallery?gid=13577&gf=594&awid=6956205089813826264-914


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 27, 2012, 01:22:27 pm
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He's instituted fielders taking fielding practice before games and it shows, pitchers are holding runners better, our catchers are actually throwing out baserunners, our offense doesn't roll over and die once they give up a lead or fall behind 3-0 in the first inning.

To me, that has been the most fun aspect of the team this year -- the fact that they don't quit.

The fielding practice is probably the most positive thing he's implemented.  A great idea and much needed.  Back to fundamentals... and it's paid off, I agree.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 27, 2012, 01:32:24 pm
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Sox don outlandish pants! Wacky!

Jeez, yeah, what's with that?  Does that come with being a "celebrity," or are they all on their way to play golf?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 27, 2012, 04:28:54 pm
Paul Konerko visits the Chicago Music Exchange.  Didn't know he played!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 28, 2012, 12:31:45 am
SGs are cool, but its a huge pain in the arse to change strings on some models.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 28, 2012, 03:36:31 pm
G-Floyd on the DL, LongFace called up (will start WEDS)

DeAza starts a minor league assignment tonight
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 28, 2012, 04:17:36 pm
LongFace called up

Ha!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 28, 2012, 05:37:44 pm
heh, make all the Independent Leaguers pround LF. <insert horse whinnying>
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 29, 2012, 12:26:48 pm
Want to go to a game but concerned about $$? This is a great deal and it's going right now:

http://www.groupon.com/deals/gl-chicago-white-sox-4?c=dnb&p=1
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 30, 2012, 06:31:40 am
TRANSACTIONS

Dylan Axelrod optioned to Birmingham after last night's game.  White Sox reported to promote infielder Jose Lopez from Charlotte to fill the spot on the 25-man roster.  Space will have to be made on the 40-man roster before today's game.  Will Brian Bruney be transferred from the 15-day to the 60-day DL?  Or will they drop one of the minor league pitchers from the 40-man roster?  Maybe they'll release the O-Dog.

Also talk of Tyler Flowers possibly heading back to Chicago for the birth of his 1st child.  Another spot on the 40-man roster will have to be clear for Gimenez.

Guess we'll know in a few hours as today's game starts at 11:35AM Central Time.

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-bringing-Lopez-up-for-Axelrod-?blockID=765153&feedID=10338 (http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-bringing-Lopez-up-for-Axelrod-?blockID=765153&feedID=10338)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 30, 2012, 07:08:28 am
Guessing he'll be back on 9/1 (or whenever he's eligible to come back up after being optioned).
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 30, 2012, 09:00:30 am
Does this mean Youk is ailing? We do not need another infielder, this guy has been hitting but thought I had read his defense has been atrocious. I do not like this one bit.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on August 30, 2012, 10:45:37 am
I somehow missed or paid no attention to the acquisition of Lopez from the Indians. Gonzo says he is starting today and batting 2nd
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 30, 2012, 10:53:54 am
Did I miss something posted here or elsewhere about Youkilis hurting again?

He's been a great addition, but this was the concern back when they acquired him.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on August 30, 2012, 10:58:45 am
Anyone else going to the game on Tuesday, the 4th?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 30, 2012, 12:09:17 pm
I think Youk has achy (breaky) knees... probably will need a game or two off every now and then.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 30, 2012, 12:38:25 pm

White Sox add INF Lopez, make 4 other moves


The Associated Press – 1 hour 49 minutes ago


BALTIMORE (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox have purchased the contract of infielder Jose Lopez from Triple-A Charlotte and placed backup catcher Tyler Flowers on the paternity leave list.

Lopez was signed by Chicago on Aug. 14 after being designated for assignment by the Cleveland Indians. The 2006 AL All-Star is a .262 career hitter over nine seasons and was in the starting lineup for Thursday's game against the Orioles.

Flowers is expecting the birth of his first child.

To fill the void behind the plate, the White Sox purchased the contract of catcher Hector Gimenez from Charlotte. Gimenez hit .259 with Charlotte this season.

Chicago also transferred right-hander Brian Bruney to the 60-day disabled list and released right-hander Gregory Infante, who appeared in five games with the White Sox in 2010.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-add-inf-lopez-154429362--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-add-inf-lopez-154429362--mlb.html)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 09, 2012, 02:42:01 pm

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSiVGjZzCW98lpU4FDu5zA9n7vmEGSWjWfAHrXyJ06zRb8yHNKK6OLQBAEpOg)


If you wonder why a .300+ hitting Paul Konerko's RBI totals are mediocre for a 4th place hitter, see below:


Paul Konerko's 2012 Situational Stats (thru Saturday's game)


                                       AB    H    2B     HR    RBI    BB      K      AVG     OBP    SLG      OPS
  None on/out               119   33     4       8         8        4     14      .277    .306    .513      .819    
 None on:1/2 Out         131   46     7        7         7     22     21      .351    .459    .565    1.023    
 Men on, 2 outs              99   29     4       3        20       9     16      .293    .358     424      .782    
 Man on 3rd, < 2 outs     25    4     1       0        13       2       3      .160     .233    .200      .433    
 Bases Loaded                11    1     0       0          3       1       1      .091     .167    .091      .258



Hitting .351 with nobody on and 1 or 2 out is fantastic, but batting .091 with the bases loaded and .160 with a runner on 3rd with less than 2 out is awful.

As Hawk would say "Don't tell me what you hit, tell me when you hit it."


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5908/situational;_ylt=Akz1NEZ.vDm.g3XLdGp5NomFCLcF (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5908/situational;_ylt=Akz1NEZ.vDm.g3XLdGp5NomFCLcF)


Looking further at the numbers, Paul Konerko's career average with the bases loaded is .324. Great!  However, his last three seasons are: .200 (2010), .167 (2011) and .091 (2012).  A troubling trend downward.  Maybe it's time to move Paulie out of the cleanup spot.


Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 09, 2012, 04:47:58 pm
These people shouldn't be allowed to have babies in September and October.  If it wasn't so much fun watching the Tigs continue to lose I would be really angry.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 09, 2012, 04:59:35 pm


White Sox this year 9-20 vs. the Tigers & Royals.

66-44 versus the rest of MLB.

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 09, 2012, 08:05:08 pm
Add our record against the Orioles and Red Sox to that and we are destroying the rest of baseball
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 09, 2012, 08:19:35 pm
If you dont count the 64 games we've lost this year... we have basically destroyed the AL. 75-0
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 10, 2012, 03:43:22 pm
You sure can see a lot just by observing.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 10, 2012, 10:43:39 pm
We've often talked on this board about KW not giving away a decent prospect...

looks like he traded away a soon to be Cy Young winner not once... but twice.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 10, 2012, 10:51:09 pm
Agree, the Gio for Thome was OK and excusable, getting Gio back for Garcia was brilliant, the Gio for Swisher was his worst ever, and the Swisher for whatever was the second worst.

The only good thing about it is that I live in DC, and rooting for Gio and the Nats is fun this year!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 10, 2012, 11:03:10 pm
They really are a fun team to watch...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 11, 2012, 11:55:18 am
Any of your locals who are LEYE Frequent Diner Club members, (that may be zero besides me), half price tix for tomorrow's tilt vs. Tigers. I mention this one, as it's a discount on a key matchup instead of vs. the Astros or whatever.

http://mlb.mlb.com/cws/ticketing/groups/gsg/gsg.jsp?loc=diners
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 11, 2012, 12:08:49 pm
Are you going, Jeter?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 11, 2012, 12:16:45 pm
Nope, watching $$ before our trip.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 12, 2012, 12:47:59 pm
Two series against the Mets in 2103?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-tentative-2013-schedule-includes-threegame-series-vs-miami-guillen-four-consecutive-games-with-20120912,0,1371957.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/acrobat/2012-09/300445760-12103200.pdf
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 12, 2012, 12:53:46 pm
Oh, I get it.   Two 2-gamers vs. Mets to off-set the two 2-gamers vs. Cub.

3 games each at Washington & Philly,  3 games each at home vs. Miami and ATL.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 12, 2012, 12:58:14 pm
Other things of note:

Open and close at home, against KC both times
The "day off after Opening Day" is back
"Wrap-around" series at Houston in June
Looks like only two series vs. AL West teams instead of three - probably due to addition of Houston

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on September 12, 2012, 01:17:18 pm
3 games each at home vs. Miami and ATL.

I'm pretty sure the Sox played the Braves in Chicago last year.  They have not played in Atlanta since 2003.  Whisky-tango....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 12, 2012, 05:12:53 pm
I was looking at that schedule and couldn't figure out the Houston thing.  Duhhh... they switched leagues!  It's going to take me awhile to get used to that.

Guess we'll never meet them in another World Series.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 12, 2012, 05:33:04 pm
Maybe we will, after they do radical realignment in about 30 years.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 12, 2012, 05:50:58 pm
Why didn't they move Milwaukee back.  That would have been more logical.  Texas needs 2 AL teams??  Stupid
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 12, 2012, 06:02:18 pm
Why didn't they move Milwaukee back.  That would have been more logical.  Texas needs 2 AL teams??  Stupid

Spot on.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on September 12, 2012, 06:32:09 pm
Why didn't they move Milwaukee back.  That would have been more logical.  Texas needs 2 AL teams??  Stupid

I totally agree. Milwaukee would have been ideal. Less travel.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 12, 2012, 07:45:15 pm
The "moved" team needed to go to the AL West. No one wants to go to the AL West (more games out west = later start times, which = less TV ratings and thus less TV revenue).   No way the Brewers (or even the Royals) would agree.

So ol' Bud was opportunistic, and said to the proposed new owner of the Astros:  "you want us to approve the sale?  you have to move to the AL West".   This moved also pacified the malcontent Dallas Rangers, who don;t like being the only Central time zone team in that division.

I think this is just step 1.   Step 2 is having the DH in both leagues; once that happens, radical realignment is inevitable.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on September 12, 2012, 09:59:27 pm
So why not KC and move Milwaukee back to the AL central?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 12, 2012, 10:00:34 pm
I thought they were moving to a more balanced schedule.  We are still playing teams in our division 19 or 20 freeking times!!!!!??
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 12, 2012, 11:10:26 pm
So why not KC and move Milwaukee back to the AL central?

  KC would have to agree to the move, which they would never do, because of the TV stuff.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 12, 2012, 11:52:32 pm
Two series against the Mets in 2103?

Why do I care since I will likely be dead by then?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 13, 2012, 12:01:33 am
Texas needs 2 AL teams??  Stupid

Actually makes allot of sense. Houston/Dallas is a natural rivalry; now they get to play each other more often.  Get the right circumstances (both teams being good at the same time) and it could develop into another Dodgers/Giants or Cubs/Cardinals type thing.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 13, 2012, 08:12:42 am
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Texas needs 2 AL teams??  Stupid

Actually makes allot of sense. Houston/Dallas is a natural rivalry; now they get to play each other more often.  Get the right circumstances (both teams being good at the same time) and it could develop into another Dodgers/Giants or Cubs/Cardinals type thing.

It does make sense in a way, but the real reasons that Houston moved instead of Milwaukee were:

1) As stated, MLB (Bud Selig) used leverage on the new Astros owner to approve the team's sale.

2) No way does Bud want to see "his" Brewers moved to the AL.  Milwaukee fans, because of the tradition going back to the '50s Braves, prefer to have an NL team.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 13, 2012, 09:23:26 am
Yes.  That's the real reason. 

I say contract the Brewers!!!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 13, 2012, 09:26:11 am
Houston should change its team name from Astros upon entering the AL.  There has actually been some talk about that.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 13, 2012, 09:32:08 am
Well they sure in heck won't go back to being the Colt .45's. See "Washington Bullets Wizards".
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 13, 2012, 09:35:44 am
They could be the Colts, though.  The horsey thing might go over well in Texas, plus it would be a nod to tradition.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 13, 2012, 11:27:02 am
because everyone is afraid of colts.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 13, 2012, 11:36:06 am
(I sense a similar reference to Cubs coming right about here.)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 13, 2012, 11:54:11 am
equinophobia is a real problem...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 13, 2012, 12:00:23 pm
I think that is a more common phobia than a lot of people think!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 13, 2012, 01:01:50 pm
I'm confused.

Is this where I make a Dylan Axelrod joke, or a Sarah Jessica Parker joke?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 13, 2012, 01:09:06 pm
Quote
Is this where I make a Dylan Axelrod joke, or a Sarah Jessica Parker joke?

You just did, both of them.

Egad, imagine the offspring...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 13, 2012, 01:12:07 pm
(http://i.qkme.me/359lbl.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 15, 2012, 10:22:32 am
We got a "Jh..." guy!

Reliever Jhan Marinez was promoted from Triple-A Charlotte, where he had a 2.86 ERA in 40 games. Marinez joined the Sox last fall as compensation for the departure of manager Ozzie Guillen to the Marlins.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0915-bits-white-sox-twins-chicago--20120915,0,4655863.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 16, 2012, 10:01:43 pm
To MSF and other old timers like us.

What past season does this one most remind you of.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 16, 2012, 11:03:11 pm
1967
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 16, 2012, 11:07:14 pm
You win blackie!

Lots of teams in the race, we have a team no one expected to go this far, every day is a nail biter, and we may yet face KC in a doubleheader.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on September 17, 2012, 01:58:59 am
1967

I'm sure I was a Sox fan then, but too wee to remember that year.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 17, 2012, 08:27:51 am
In a way it reminds me of 2005. We seem to have led most of the way and then late we almost got passed by Cleveland. Also, our closer went down that year and we had to use a rookie in that role.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on September 17, 2012, 08:34:35 am
we had a big lead in 2005.  Maybe 10 games.  Don't think we've ever led by more than 4 this year. 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 17, 2012, 08:37:33 am
It was 15 games at the ASB before the 2006 WS Champs closed it down to 1.5.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 17, 2012, 08:55:39 am
In a way it reminds me of 2005. We seem to have led most of the way and then late we almost got passed by Cleveland. Also, our closer went down that year and we had to use a rookie in that role.


BUUUUURN!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on September 17, 2012, 09:15:59 am
the 2006 WS Champs

Heh.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 17, 2012, 11:02:28 am
In a way it reminds me of 2005. We seem to have led most of the way and then late we almost got passed by Cleveland. Also, our closer went down that year and we had to use a rookie in that role.


BUUUUURN!

No not burn, that rookie held his own too.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 17, 2012, 11:03:21 am
the 2006 WS Champs

Heh.

Yeah, agreed, good one Joey.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 17, 2012, 11:43:27 am
I would say 2008.  Spent most of the year in first or second place, never had more than a couple game lead over the Twins, almost blew it late because we could not beat them.  Substitute Tigers for Twins, very similar scenario.

Would have to disagree about 1967.  That was a winner take all scenario to go right to the WS.  The whole two wild card thing and playoffs dilutes the whole experience plus its like there are two races going on at once (division and WC) but most of the tension comes from the Division race.  So its hard to feel like we are in a multi team race.  I think the Sox and Detroit only go to the playoffs by winning the division.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2008-schedule-scores.shtml

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 17, 2012, 01:17:07 pm
I agree with Pete, it feels kind of like 2008 to me.   
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 17, 2012, 05:32:47 pm
Well Black Sox got it, and I didn't even give a hint.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 17, 2012, 06:21:57 pm
Just cause Black Sox was wrong doesn't mean he was right.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 17, 2012, 09:57:50 pm
I'll explain why Black Sox and I are the beains here, and maybe msf will see the light bulb. This is the fiirst year since 1967 that we have to worry about several teams at the same time for making the post season, In 2005, all I worried about was the Indians in September, in 2008 it was the Twins in September, In 1983 there was no one to worry about, in 1992 just the Indians. In 1967 I was worried about the Tigers, Twins, and Red Sox all at the same time. In 2012 I worry about the Yankees, Orioles, Tigers, A's and Angels at the same time because if we don't neat the Tigers, there is the wild card.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 17, 2012, 10:42:01 pm
But in '67 if the Sox beat out those three other teams,  they were in the WS.  And they'd have proved they were the best of all the teams over 162 games. Winning the WC means they get to play the other WC team, then maybe in the ALDS, then maybe the ALCS, then maybe the WS.  And they were probably only the 5th best team in league, since unlikely they would catch Oakland.

Just hard to get as excited about the WC as we were in 1967.  Which is not to say I would not be pleased if we lose the Division but manage to win a WC.



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 17, 2012, 10:44:26 pm
I think bottom line is I don't even look at the WC standings.  That might change if we were to fall out of first, but that ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 17, 2012, 10:57:46 pm
Pete how old were you in 67?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 17, 2012, 11:55:03 pm
8.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 18, 2012, 08:42:48 am
But the thing is, there is no wild card if we do not win. It is us vs the Tigers, neither of us can even barely sniff the wild card. 1967 there were 4-5 team fighting for 1st place in one "division", just do not see the similarity as you guys do.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 18, 2012, 08:43:58 am
As I was not yet born in 1967, I can safely say that you guys are old.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 18, 2012, 08:48:29 am
In 1967 I would have been 11.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on September 18, 2012, 08:53:59 am
Two series against the Mets in 2103?


Too bad I won't live to see those games...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 18, 2012, 09:13:12 am
I turned 13 in 1967
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 18, 2012, 09:15:27 am
As I was not yet born in 1967, I can safely say that you guys are old.

Fellas like msf and I prefer the term "experienced".

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 18, 2012, 09:36:59 am
heh, that is correct Pete.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 18, 2012, 09:54:37 am
I was also 11 in 1967 and I remember that pennant race very well.  I went to a few ball games that year with my dad.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 18, 2012, 10:18:10 am
Watching mlb.com slobbering over Rios' slide. What a nice hustle play, never ever thought I would see Rios be a grinder as he has this year. I knew they guy had it in him, just with the way he had played since we got him I never thought we would see it.

Such a difference with Ventura in charge. You gotta believe if OG was still here that Dunn and Rios may have never turned it around. Seems like Showalter or the guy at Oakland are shoe ins for MOY, but Ventura sure deserves it too. We were picked for last, of course both of those teams likely were too.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on September 18, 2012, 12:49:37 pm
Guy in Oakland doesn't have a prayer. He's just the beneficiary of the genius of moneyball...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 18, 2012, 12:51:09 pm
You misspelled "genious."
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 18, 2012, 12:58:47 pm
moneyball

Which as we all know was written by Billy Beane.

I love saying that every chance I get.

(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1304/4702816213_4c3933cdd4_t.jpg)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 18, 2012, 01:05:23 pm
Speaking of Joe Morgan, below is an article that would be picked apart by FJM if it were still around:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--schiano-s-order-sparks-a-great-debate-over-the-unwritten-rules-of-sport.html

The writer just talks about the unwritten rules of sports... which we all already know anyways. He has no point he makes in the article, other than to point out that the unwritten rules exist.

Something to read if you feel like being bored.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 18, 2012, 01:30:08 pm
Wow, how would you like to hang out with this guy at a game? Pretty sure I'd be driving sporks into my tympanic membrane by about the 2nd inning or so.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 18, 2012, 01:53:31 pm
Note his buddies sitting with him, laughing hysterically.

...oh... wait....
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 20, 2012, 03:10:34 pm
Just heard this on the local sports yakker:



Bob Nightengale‏@BNightengale

 Dan Jennings expected to be next #Marlins GM while Rick Hahn becomes #WhiteSox GM, Williams elevated to Sox President.


https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/248872008983666688
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2012, 03:30:09 pm
Well good for Rick Hahn
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 20, 2012, 07:42:03 pm


(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/5671279/120973053_extra_large.jpg)

this report says Bob Nightengale claiming Kenny will be promoted to Vice President - Baseball Operations, not team president.  Either way, Rick Hahn moves up to GM after the season.

http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/9/20/3364946/report-rick-hahn-to-become-white-sox-general-manager-this-offseason (http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/9/20/3364946/report-rick-hahn-to-become-white-sox-general-manager-this-offseason)



Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on September 24, 2012, 03:55:23 pm
Non-Tender candidate...Phil Humber

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/non-tender-candidate-phil-humber.html
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 24, 2012, 05:24:36 pm
Humber has been mishandled, and yet we continue to trot Quintana out there, to put us in a hole.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on September 24, 2012, 05:36:25 pm
How has humber been mishandled?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 24, 2012, 06:04:24 pm
How has humber been mishandled?

He's been allowed to pitch.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 24, 2012, 06:09:33 pm
heh
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 24, 2012, 06:11:32 pm
I actually don't agree with my statement at all, but it was set up on a tee.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on September 25, 2012, 09:33:44 am
I don't get the Quintana criticism. It was Quintana that beat the Tiggers. Quintana has been way beyond anything we could have hoped for.
He has plugged a hole in the rotation, and not just in mediocre fashion. He has been what Danks was hyped to be.

That he has had some struggles the last month is not a surprise. But unless Coop suspects/knows he has a tired arm, he has earned his rotation spot as much as anyone on the team.
Gavin Floyd aspires to one day be as good as Quintana has been.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 25, 2012, 10:10:56 am
The last two months, and struggled big time without those in charge seeming to notice.  So they leave him in until we are down by 5.  He is no where near the pitcher he was at the beginning of the year.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 25, 2012, 10:42:42 am
Something to read:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-set-chris-sale-free-as-nats-shut-down-stephen-strasburg-.html
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 25, 2012, 10:50:05 am
I don't get the Quintana criticism.

I agree with ISF.  I have more faith that we might get a good perfromance when Q starts than either Pinky of Liriano
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 25, 2012, 10:50:49 am
Quintana kills himself with his defense, needs to work on that. I love his cutter. He seems strong still. Would hope he is the type to improve.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 25, 2012, 10:53:25 am
Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on September 25, 2012, 11:51:44 am
Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.

...?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 25, 2012, 12:21:50 pm
The White Sox have altered their rotation.

Jake Peavy's next start was moved back to Thursday night against Tampa Bay; Hector Santiago will start Wednesday night  in place of Peavy.

Chris Sale will get an extra day of rest and make his last start of the season on Sunday against the Rays.

Part of the switch was to give the Sox more favorable matchups, particularly against Cleveland's predominently left-handed hitting lineup.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-peavy-extra-extra-rest-sales-last-start-on-sunday-20120925,0,1587809.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on September 25, 2012, 12:28:31 pm
Why the Axelrod kid get no chance to start?  His last two starts have been more than adequate while he's more-or-less sucked in relief.  Meanwhile, Santiago, even though he threw four shutout innings his last start, has been decent out of the pen, IIRC.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on September 25, 2012, 02:21:50 pm
Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.

...?

Sorry, must have put in the wrong thread, in response to asking about Steve Wapnik.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 25, 2012, 02:59:53 pm
Got him in Cory Snyder trade, when we were ridding ourselves of that stiff.

...?

Sorry, must have put in the wrong thread, in response to asking about Steve Wapnik.

Steve Wapnick was the PTBNL the White Sox received from Toronto in the Cory Snyder deal.  In that trade, the White Sox also acquired Shawn Jeter who is the son of former White Sox Johnny Jeter.




Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on September 25, 2012, 08:40:19 pm
Ventura actually PH Hudson for AJ on Sunday because of the percentages?  Good ucking lord.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on September 26, 2012, 10:08:38 am
Quote
In that trade, the White Sox also acquired Shawn Jeter who is the son of former White Sox Johnny Jeter.
  Hmmm, you never hear Jhon Jeter mention his son, Shawn, on these boards.  Must be a deep family secret...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on October 01, 2012, 02:53:11 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/09/al-notes-trout-ventura-peavy-twins-1.html

If the Sox buy out Peavy, he may act as his own agent, since his current agent (David Axelrod) is taking a position with the DBacks. Peavy wants to stay with the Sox.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on October 01, 2012, 03:12:34 pm
Whoops - meant Barry Axelrod.... not David.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on October 01, 2012, 03:36:59 pm
Mods!?!?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 01, 2012, 04:05:41 pm


If? 

It's WHEN the White Sox buy out Peavy.

Anyone who picks up Peavy's $22 Million option deserves to be fired.





Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 01, 2012, 05:09:22 pm
at least you did not say Dylan Axelrod.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on October 02, 2012, 10:29:26 am
Peavy is fine if you pencil him in as a #3 or #4 starter.  That's his level now.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on October 02, 2012, 10:30:52 am
And oh yeah, I hate Kenny Williams.

Maybe Hahn will do a better job of signing some real talent, instead of defrosting lobsters.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on October 02, 2012, 10:39:18 am
Sometimes I fantasize about becoming a Yankee fan just so I could experience championships on a semi-regular basis.

But it's a fantasy.  I am doomed, I'm a Sox fan.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on October 02, 2012, 05:03:33 pm
Sometimes I fantasize about becoming a Yankee fan just so I could experience championships on a semi-regular basis.

But then they wouldn't mean anything.  When you only win one every 88 years, you tend to get a little more excited.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on October 03, 2012, 08:47:53 am
Quote
When you only win one every 88 years, you tend to get a little more excited.

It better not be 88 years 'til the next one!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on October 10, 2012, 04:32:45 pm
Ray Olmedo - he outrighted

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-olmedo-outrighted-now-minor-league-free-agent-20121010,0,2586766.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on October 12, 2012, 04:18:55 pm
http://www.chicagonow.com/white-sox-observer/2012/10/another-troubling-update-from-old-friend-john-danks/
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on October 13, 2012, 08:01:18 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-position-analysis-another-chance-for-morel-20121011,0,4253360.story
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on October 18, 2012, 11:57:08 am
Big drops in Sox ticket prices and parking for next season:

Quote
More than 87 percent of all full season-ticket prices for the 2013 season will either drop or stay the same. More than 54 percent of the full season tickets will decrease in price by an average of 26 percent.

Corner seats in the lower deck will be available for $20 on a daily basis, and upper-deck seats will be available for $7 for every game but opening day and the two home games against the Cubs.

The cost of parking will drop to $20, a decrease ranging from $3-$5.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-cutting-2013-ticket-prices-20121018,0,1655301.story

I amazed it took them this long to realize how out of reach their pricing was for the average family.  I guess barely having a half-full stadium night after night during a playoff run finally woke them up...
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on October 19, 2012, 10:18:10 am
OTOH nowhere did I see what otc game tickets were going to be just that season ticket prices were going to be reduced. Most of arent big spenders like Shoe and maybe go to only one or two games per year. So it remains to be seen whether this just allows the rich who buy the decent seats a break and the average fan no break.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on October 19, 2012, 11:20:55 am
That's why we have to rise up against the 1%!

(oops, wrong thread)
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on October 19, 2012, 11:26:42 am
Its trickle down ticket pricing... get tickets from season holders on the cheap
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on October 19, 2012, 12:55:35 pm
Sometimes I fantasize about becoming a Yankee fan just so I could experience championships on a semi-regular basis.

But it's a fantasy.  I am doomed, I'm a Sox fan.

You're better off becoming a Cards fan
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on October 19, 2012, 12:58:37 pm
Big drops in Sox ticket prices and parking for next season:

Quote
More than 87 percent of all full season-ticket prices for the 2013 season will either drop or stay the same. More than 54 percent of the full season tickets will decrease in price by an average of 26 percent.

Corner seats in the lower deck will be available for $20 on a daily basis, and upper-deck seats will be available for $7 for every game but opening day and the two home games against the Cubs.

The cost of parking will drop to $20, a decrease ranging from $3-$5.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-cutting-2013-ticket-prices-20121018,0,1655301.story

I amazed it took them this long to realize how out of reach their pricing was for the average family.  I guess barely having a half-full stadium night after night during a playoff run finally woke them up...

For me, it's not so much the ticket price but parking, beer and food.  8 bucks for a beer and 5 for a hot dog is just out of control
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on October 19, 2012, 02:43:53 pm
For me, it's not so much the ticket price but parking, beer and food.  8 bucks for a beer and 5 for a hot dog is just out of control

That's why you do all the drinking and eating outside before the game.  It works out pretty well for me.  Just ask Blackie.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on October 20, 2012, 08:39:53 pm
I never eat or drink at games, I have no desire to use the restroom (ick) and miss an inning and 1/2 in the process.

Eat and drink After!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on October 21, 2012, 09:15:57 am
Eating and drinking at a game is all part of the ballpark experience. Kids want a hot dog at a game. Guys want to have a couple beers at the game. Again, it all adds to the experience and should be reasonably priced.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on October 23, 2012, 12:12:58 pm
Oh, for the days when you could get a ticket, a hot dog, and two beers all for under $20!
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on October 24, 2012, 09:07:10 am
Brooks Boyer held a conference call with media and WSI was asked to represent. Here are some notes about what Brooks had to say about the surveys that were taken and how the Sox are addressing some of the issues:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136383
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 26, 2012, 06:33:28 am

Sox promote Williams and Hahn

GM Williams turning over reins to assistant while he becomes head of baseball operations


By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 9:36 p.m. CDT, October 25, 2012


The long-awaited transition of the White Sox's front office will be announced Friday when Ken Williams is promoted to overseeing the baseball operations department, with assistant general manager Rick Hahn elevated to Williams' GM duties.

A major league source confirmed the moves shortly after the team announced a news conference was scheduled for Friday. The elevation of Williams and promotion of Hahn had been anticipated as early as 2008 — after the Sox's last American League Central title.

The transitions will complete a 13-year run as GM for Williams, 48, who constructed the Sox's 2005 World Series title team — their lone world title since 1917. As head of baseball operations, he will retain his title as a senior vice president.

At the end of the 2012 season, Williams spoke of the team's challenge to attract more fans to U.S. Cellular Field, and he's expected to provide input outside of the baseball department.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1026-white-sox-chicago--20121026,0,1587582.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1026-white-sox-chicago--20121026,0,1587582.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 26, 2012, 06:39:51 am


(http://www.trbimg.com/img-508a054f/turbine/sc-spt-1026-bits-world-series--20121026-001/600)

With changes at top, Pierzynski wonders where he might fit
Free agent Sox catcher wants to stay after Williams and Hahn are promoted


By Dave van Dyck, Chicago Tribune reporter - 10:37 p.m. CDT, October 25, 2012


SAN FRANCISCO — When it's official that Rick Hahn is promoted to White Sox general manager and Ken Williams to president of baseball operations as expected Friday, how will that affect whether A.J. Pierzynski returns?

He's eager to find out, but doesn't think there will be much change.

"It's still the same two people in charge, from what I hear," Pierzynski said Thursday from the World Series, where he is doing color work for Fox. "They just have different titles.

"I'm sure Rick will have more responsibility as far as picking players (acquired) and player development. At the same time, Kenny is still there. Kenny's going to have his hand in it and so is (Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf) and all the guys they have."

Asked if had heard anything from the Sox regarding his future since the end of the season, Pierzynski said:

"Nope. Nothing."

Does he expect hear something, especially with the change at the top?

"Nope. I didn't last time either (as a free agent two winters ago), not until right at the last minute," he said. "So I don't expect to this time either."

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sc-spt-1026-bits-world-series--20121026,0,4268968.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sc-spt-1026-bits-world-series--20121026,0,4268968.story)

Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on October 26, 2012, 09:09:53 am
Retaining AJ is a must.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on October 26, 2012, 09:31:31 am
I concur.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on October 26, 2012, 10:16:21 am
They need to improve the position. However, the availability of something better at a cheaper price doesnt seem possible. IMHO A.J had an outstanding year and should be back
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on October 26, 2012, 10:18:54 am
AJ will cost a bit to bring back. We do need him though.

I am anxious to see how Hahn runs the show.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 29, 2012, 08:02:52 pm
Retaining AJ is a must.

Agreed, otherwise it is likely Flowers and Miguel Olivo.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on October 30, 2012, 08:16:12 am
I would not mind having Olivo as a backup to AJ.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 08:46:31 am
I would not mind having Olivo as a backup to AJ.

I would agree with that. But the staff loves how Flowers handles the pitchers, and they like his power. Olivo would be too expensive as a backup, as he is a FA.

It will be AJ and Flowers as a unit, or it would be Olivo and Flowers (no LH hitter then). After reading some of the raves about Flowers, I would not doubt if they end up going with Flowers and a young unknown backup.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on October 30, 2012, 09:10:57 am
Flowers is fine.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on October 30, 2012, 09:43:36 am
I'm OK with Flowers, if only for the sheer number of metaphors that will be coming our way... though I'd love to see AJ retire in a Sox uniform.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 10:56:15 am
Flowers is fine.

Seriously?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on October 30, 2012, 10:59:14 am
As a backup to AJ?  Absolutely.  He throws runners out and hits the occasional HR.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on October 30, 2012, 11:03:05 am
I'd perfer a catcher who hit better than Flowers. I too would be fine with Olivo. Seems to me I recall we have another catcher moving up the ladder in the minors the organization is high on.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 03:49:22 pm
As a backup to AJ?  Absolutely.  He throws runners out and hits the occasional HR.

OK, I thought you meant as the starter if AJ left. Sorry.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 03:51:40 pm
Phegley needs one more year in AA I would imagine. No one else close to being ready and no one that they are real up on. Blanke was high A and Kevan Smith was low A I think. Maybe one of them could come thru.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on October 30, 2012, 05:08:44 pm
Peavy re-signed.  2 years, $29 million.  Yay!

Floyd is also back.   His $9.5 million option was picked up.    Yay?   Trade Bait?
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on October 30, 2012, 05:10:31 pm
Options declined on Youk & Myers.   Okay by me. 
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 05:12:18 pm
Peavy re-signed.  2 years, $29 million.  Yay!

Floyd is also back.   His $9.5 million option was picked up.    Yay?   Trade Bait?
Excellent. Now we still have our #2 and I think Floyd is going to be solid, he looked good once he was feeling good at end of year. No way we can count on Danks, typically takes 2 years to recover from these injuries. Also cannot count on Quintana, he may have been a 1/2 year wonder.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 05:15:30 pm
Options declined on Youk & Myers.   Okay by me. 

Agreed. I did like Myers however, but we have young arms, and I think he wants to start.

Another reason I like Peavy and Floyd, prior to that we were looking at 4 LH starters with Sale, Danks, Santiago and Quintana.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 05:17:21 pm
I am absolutely stunned that Peavy re-upped. I would have bet my left nut he would go to NL again.
Title: Re: 2012 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 30, 2012, 06:05:22 pm
I'm guessing the Yankees will try to sign AJ Pierzynski.  Russell Martin, the Yankees starting catcher, is also a free agent and he was paid $7.5 million in 2012 while Pierzynski only was paid $8 million over two years.  Martin's numbers of .211 / .311 / .403 with  21 Hrs and 53 RBI pale in comparison to AJ's  .278 / .326 / .501 with 27 Hrs and 77 RBI.  Especially with the likelihood that the Yankees are prepared to let Nick Swisher leave in free agency. AJ's power numbers and that short right field porch should be appealing to both AJ and the Yankees. Defensively, AJ's numbers were also better than Martin's in 2012.

I think if the White Sox try to low ball AJ or take him for granted, the short Yankee Stadium porch, the chance to play for a team that will spare no expense to field a definite contender, being able to be near home for Spring Training and a 2 year/$12-14 million offer will be too much to turn down.  I'm guessing it's a 50/50 chance that AJ will be playing in the Bronx next season.




Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on October 30, 2012, 07:51:50 pm
Interesting thought...   Swisher out, AJ in... get rid of one clubhouse jerk, add another...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 30, 2012, 08:05:50 pm
If I have to choose between deuchy players, I'll go AJ over "Bro up in your face" Swisher every time. That being said, I'm not so sure about how actual teammates feel about AJ. . .have read some negative things from guys (the whole Deadspin piece or wherever it was), but plenty of guys on teams would likely be happy to have someone with his authority, knowledge, and craftiness back there.

I realize some teammates don't love him, but most of the hate comes from the opposition. I will take that. I've been on teams with an azzhole, but I wasn't always averse to that. They had their function.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 30, 2012, 08:24:00 pm
I agree with Jeter on both AJ and Swisher.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on October 30, 2012, 08:33:33 pm
I'd be much happier if it was AJ.  I admit to being surprised about Peavy...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on October 30, 2012, 08:51:19 pm
As a backup to AJ?  Absolutely.  He throws runners out and hits the occasional HR.

OK, I thought you meant as the starter if AJ left. Sorry.

My fault.  I was responding to Rule.  I didn't even see that you responded.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 30, 2012, 09:14:38 pm
I too would like to see AJ back next year, the problem is the year or two after that. He will get a three year contract, and signing with the Yankees will only help his exposure with the broadcast media markets for his second career.

I am shocked at Peavy accepting a two year deal at $14.5 per. This is a weak free agent year for starting pitchers, and I think he could have done far better. But I am not complaining.

As for Flowers, I'm happy with him playing a but more next year, what about Brian McCann?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 30, 2012, 09:31:10 pm
I too would like to see AJ back next year, the problem is the year or two after that. He will get a three year contract, and signing with the Yankees will only help his exposure with the broadcast media markets for his second career.

I am shocked at Peavy accepting a two year deal at $14.5 per. This is a weak free agent year for starting pitchers, and I think he could have done far better. But I am not complaining.

As for Flowers, I'm happy with him playing a but more next year, what about Brian McCann?





The Braves picked up his $12 million option earlier today.



Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 30, 2012, 09:36:55 pm
Just read that. Are there any more left hand bats at catcher out there?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 30, 2012, 09:45:48 pm
Just read that. Are there any more left hand bats at catcher out there?



Only Brian Schneider of the Phillies and he sucks.  Unless someone else is non-tendered soon.


list of potential free agents:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=177 (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/?page_id=177)



Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on October 30, 2012, 09:52:22 pm
Peavy re-signed.  2 years, $29 million.  Yay!

Floyd is also back.   His $9.5 million option was picked up.    Yay?  Trade Bait?

Possibly, I could see that happening.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on October 30, 2012, 10:03:14 pm
25 Million in new money for Peavy... good deal for both parties...

I didnt see them picking up the option on Floyd.... Shields makes 9 million this year... we can find a better RH starter for cheaper then 9.5.

I hop AJ has noticed JR's loyalty to players and gives us a discount.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on October 30, 2012, 10:07:19 pm
Would also love to see Sox pick up JP Howell to replace Myers.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on October 30, 2012, 11:36:45 pm
Although AJ isn't homegrown, he should be a Sox "lifer" -- like Buehrle, Thomas, Baines, et. al. SHOULD have been.  AJ has roots with this team and its fan base, and it'll be another bummer for me if they let him walk without making a honest effort to re-sign him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on October 31, 2012, 09:12:17 am
FWIW, stolen from a post at WSI:

Talking about Mark Gonzalez....

Chicago Tribune Live! finally decided to have him appear . Had thoughts on everything that happened:

1. Very, VERY surprised Peavy stayed. Said his agent was going to explore the market because it was Jake's first time. Said Peavy is a good guy and this is a win-win deal for both considering what guys like Lohse and Greinke are going to get.

2. Doesn't see the Sox being involved in free agency. Said they'll fill holes for next season via trade route. Mentioned Floyd might still go.

3. Youk he said could be back but probably not, family lives on West Coast and that's where he's looking to.

4. Said chances are "slim and none" the Sox bring AJ back. Said it will be Flowers and a left handed hitting catcher acquired in some other fashion. Said only shot AJ comes back is if he agrees to a one-year deal.

5. Moves today show Sox are in it to win again next season, not rebuild.

6. Hahn will be allowed to 'be his own man' as a GM and not have to answer to Kenny for every little thing.

7. Didn't say a thing about Liriano or Myers.

Kaplan talked about how he thinks the Royals will "contend" next season by acquiring two pitchers. Gonzo and the rest of the panel looked at him like he was insane. Defended comment by saying "David Glass the owner said he's going to open the checkbook." Gonzo replied, "to try to get the pitchers they need they'll have to trade either Hosmer or Moustakis or Butler."
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2012, 10:08:06 am
Doesn't see the Sox being involved in free agency. Said they'll fill holes for next season via trade route. Mentioned Floyd might still go.

Sounds about right. If they did go after a FA it'd be come January or just before Soxfest and it would be at bargain basement prices. As for Floyd, the Sox would have to figure that they are bettering themselves with a trade because the staff is very thin as it is.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 31, 2012, 10:34:04 am
I too would like to see AJ back next year, the problem is the year or two after that. He will get a three year contract, and signing with the Yankees will only help his exposure with the broadcast media markets for his second career.

I am shocked at Peavy accepting a two year deal at $14.5 per. This is a weak free agent year for starting pitchers, and I think he could have done far better. But I am not complaining.

As for Flowers, I'm happy with him playing a but more next year, what about Brian McCann?

Juan, only thing I can figure is Jake actually appreciated the Sox standing by him when he had the strange shoulder ailment etc... Not often a player will do that. I have a bit more respect for Jake than I did a week ago.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 31, 2012, 10:40:24 am
I am ok with Floyd. If we trade him we better get another RH pitcher somewhere. I do NOT want 4 LH starting pitchers. We would get torched by all the teams overloaded with RH hitting, which is the majority of teams.

We tried 4 LH starters once long ago, Kravec, Trout, Baumgarten and Wortham. Teams get that timing down and you are toast. Much, much easier to go with 4 RH starters, that you can more likely get away with.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on October 31, 2012, 01:11:57 pm
Isn't Edwin Jackson FA? Royals could sign him and Brett Myers. Myers wants to start and has the resume to do it.
He'll be cheap and worst-case scenario, he ends up a lefty out of the pen, which he's been good at.

Just because the biggest names aren't on the market doesn't mean Royals won't be able to contend. They're not that far away.
Tiggers and Sox aren't impressing anyone with dominating talent.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 31, 2012, 03:29:48 pm
FWIW, stolen from a post at WSI:

Talking about Mark Gonzalez....

Chicago Tribune Live! finally decided to have him appear . Had thoughts on everything that happened:

1. Very, VERY surprised Peavy stayed. Said his agent was going to explore the market because it was Jake's first time. Said Peavy is a good guy and this is a win-win deal for both considering what guys like Lohse and Greinke are going to get.

2. Doesn't see the Sox being involved in free agency. Said they'll fill holes for next season via trade route. Mentioned Floyd might still go.

3. Youk he said could be back but probably not, family lives on West Coast and that's where he's looking to.

4. Said chances are "slim and none" the Sox bring AJ back. Said it will be Flowers and a left handed hitting catcher acquired in some other fashion. Said only shot AJ comes back is if he agrees to a one-year deal.

5. Moves today show Sox are in it to win again next season, not rebuild.


6. Hahn will be allowed to 'be his own man' as a GM and not have to answer to Kenny for every little thing.

7. Didn't say a thing about Liriano or Myers.

Kaplan talked about how he thinks the Royals will "contend" next season by acquiring two pitchers. Gonzo and the rest of the panel looked at him like he was insane. Defended comment by saying "David Glass the owner said he's going to open the checkbook." Gonzo replied, "to try to get the pitchers they need they'll have to trade either Hosmer or Moustakis or Butler."


Letting AJ go and promoting Flowers to the every day catcher doesn't seem like a team that's 'in it to win again".

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 31, 2012, 04:55:19 pm
Isn't Edwin Jackson FA? Royals could sign him and Brett Myers. Myers wants to start and has the resume to do it.
He'll be cheap and worst-case scenario, he ends up a lefty out of the pen, which he's been good at.

Just because the biggest names aren't on the market doesn't mean Royals won't be able to contend. They're not that far away.
Tiggers and Sox aren't impressing anyone with dominating talent.

Myers is a RH, but I agree, he is very serviceable. I liked him as a setup man.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 31, 2012, 04:56:24 pm
I say we sign AJ on Friday, or maybe Thursday night. That is what happened last time.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 31, 2012, 08:58:54 pm
Sounds about right. If they did go after a FA it'd be come January or just before Soxfest and it would be at bargain basement prices. As for Floyd, the Sox would have to figure that they are bettering themselves with a trade because the staff is very thin as it is.

Time to start counting downflthinking's doom and gloom posts

MSF I agree with your thoughts on Peavy, it had to be that and I respect him more now too.

On AJ, he's been my favorite player for years, and still is, but I do think the years will soon catch up on him, and its all about the years. I don't want to see a 3 year contract for a catcher his age. Buehrle will come back in some capacity eventually, and if AJ leaves so will he, just as Baines and Robin and others did. Putting it another way, how many are willing to pay $21 million or more for 3 years, if that is what it takes?
 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on October 31, 2012, 09:01:56 pm
Juan, could Mikey Morse be pried from the Nats? He would be able to play 3B I would imagine.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 31, 2012, 09:39:49 pm
Yes, he could be pried for Matt Thornton, and maybe a prospect, but not only can he not play 3rd, he can't play defense period. He's turned into a beast (that's his nickname here) and he sure is that in the field. If the Nats resign LaRoche, they have already admitted they will look to trade Morse.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on October 31, 2012, 09:58:47 pm
downflthinking

How about WoeflThinking?

how many are willing to pay $21 million or more for 3 years, if that is what it takes?

Of Reinsdorf's money?  I'd do that.  Of mine?  Pass...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 31, 2012, 10:00:25 pm
Post of the night!!!

WoeflThinking it is, and it ain't my money!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on October 31, 2012, 10:00:46 pm
Royals didn't get Edwin....they got Ervin:

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/8577812/ervin-santana-traded-kansas-city-royals-los-angeles-angels
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 01, 2012, 08:49:31 am
Yes, he could be pried for Matt Thornton, and maybe a prospect, but not only can he not play 3rd, he can't play defense period. He's turned into a beast (that's his nickname here) and he sure is that in the field. If the Nats resign LaRoche, they have already admitted they will look to trade Morse.



OK, he has bulked up, I recall when he got caught on roids when in our minor league system. Since he was a SS when he was with us I thought maybe he could play 3B. Wish Viciedo could play 3B, that is what he was in Cuba.

Remember Rex Hudler from Birmingham, he loved him some Mikey Mo (that is what he called Morse). He said Morse would make it and Brian Anderson would not due to desire. Guess he was correct.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 01, 2012, 09:29:14 am
Sounds about right. If they did go after a FA it'd be come January or just before Soxfest and it would be at bargain basement prices. As for Floyd, the Sox would have to figure that they are bettering themselves with a trade because the staff is very thin as it is.

Time to start counting downflthinking's doom and gloom posts

MSF I agree with your thoughts on Peavy, it had to be that and I respect him more now too.

On AJ, he's been my favorite player for years, and still is, but I do think the years will soon catch up on him, and its all about the years. I don't want to see a 3 year contract for a catcher his age. Buehrle will come back in some capacity eventually, and if AJ leaves so will he, just as Baines and Robin and others did. Putting it another way, how many are willing to pay $21 million or more for 3 years, if that is what it takes?
 


Hey take your knife out of my back before you run off will ya? I was commenting on what was posted and I dont see anything negative about what I said. Everybody knows that Reinsdorf doesnt want to spend money because he cant get it back with a half-empty park. So we all should know that we arent likely to sign a big expensive FA. Even little Juannie should know that. And as for Floyd I think 9.5 to bring him back is a cheap price considering the going rate, but thats still a lot of moolah and the Sox could still move him if a cheaper priced player somewhere were offered along witth a prospect they liked. But, OTOH I dont expect a deal to be made moving Floyd although I still feel his name hasnt been removed from the "players available list".
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 01, 2012, 09:23:23 pm
Nats a trying hard to find a veteran late inning lefty specialist in the bullpen. They think the team's pitching staff is too green, following the Storen meltdown in game 5. Great opportunity to unload Thornton, while his value is high.

Three players that hit me as interesting are LH speedy outfielder Roger Bernadina, infielder Steve Lombardozi, and catcher Sandy Leon, latter two are switch hitters.

I like Thornton, but we have several lefty options in the bullpen, and the last several years, our bench role players have been weak.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 02, 2012, 08:05:20 am
I would like to move Thornton, but then we would have a LH hold in our pen. But if we could get something really nice for him I might have to move him anyway.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on November 02, 2012, 12:37:58 pm
I would take Lombardozzi for Thornton in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on November 02, 2012, 01:08:38 pm
Nats a trying hard to find a veteran late inning lefty specialist in the bullpen. They think the team's pitching staff is too green, following the Storen meltdown in game 5. Great opportunity to unload Thornton, while his value is high.

Three players that hit me as interesting are LH speedy outfielder Roger Bernadina, infielder Steve Lombardozi, and catcher Sandy Leon, latter two are switch hitters.

I like Thornton, but we have several lefty options in the bullpen, and the last several years, our bench role players have been weak.

Lombardozzi is not an upgrade over Beckham.   Is Leon considered a top prospect?  I'd take the catcher all day
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 02, 2012, 01:36:52 pm
Hes about even with beckham... still a great bench player.

I love Thorny but if we can get something of value for him time to move on. His salary number is pretty high as well.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 02, 2012, 07:33:50 pm
Lombardozzi is a super bench guy who can play all positions except catcher, and play them well, he's a switch hitter.  He along with Tyler Moore, helped the Nata stay on top while  Werth, Morse, ane Zimmermann were down early in the season. I would give up Thornton for this guy in a heartbeat.

Don't know about Leon's upside. He's third string there, and not a top flight prospect.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 05, 2012, 05:14:49 pm


(http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2011/05/31/Ramirez-soxx-large.jpg)

Wilson names Ramirez White Sox top defender

By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 11/05/12 5:39 PM ET


CHICAGO -- Alexei Ramirez was selected as the 2012 White Sox best defensive player during the inaugural Wilson Defensive Player of the Year Awards, announced on Sunday night on MLB Network.

Each club had a winner, while each league was awarded a top defensive player. A best overall defensive team was also chosen. The winners were determined by the detailed statistical analysis of MLB Network's "shredder system," used by Clubhouse Confidential, plus input from MLB Network analysts.

Ramirez, 31, is commonly considered one of the best defensive shortstops in the game, although he has never captured a Rawlings Gold Glove. His 2.4 defensive WAR (wins above replacement) placed him fifth in the American League among position players, trailing only Brendan Ryan, J.J. Hardy, Brett Lawrie and Denard Span. All four of those players also won Wilson awards.

Ramirez's .982 fielding percentage ranked him fifth among AL shortstops, and his 434 assists were second only to Hardy. Other Wilson winners in the AL Central included Austin Jackson, Lorenzo Cain and Jason Kipnis. Mike Trout was the overall AL winner, Michael Bourn was the overall National League winner and the Atlanta Braves ended up as the team winner.

read more:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121105&content_id=40177206&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121105&content_id=40177206&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 07, 2012, 01:06:13 pm

Looks like the White Sox need a new bullpen coach

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/20868768/nieves-expected-to-get-red-sox-pitching-coach-job
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on November 07, 2012, 01:27:59 pm
Ray Olmedo's gone?

Don't let the door hit you on your way out, you piece of ****.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on November 07, 2012, 04:26:35 pm
Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi
The more I think about it, #WhiteSox in strong position as offseason begins. Figure out C and 3B, maybe add an arm. Good team.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on November 07, 2012, 07:06:49 pm
 http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-us-cellular-exiting-chicago-market-20121107,0,6960450.story

US Cellular is exiting the Chicago market, so will they change naming rights?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on November 07, 2012, 07:27:52 pm
WhiteSox in strong position as offseason begins. Figure out C and 3B, maybe add an arm. Good team.

If they focus on defense and fundamentals again, I totally agree.  And hopefully resigning AJ takes care of the C position.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 08:39:02 pm
Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.

We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 08:42:55 pm
Poor web development by create a forum... if one edits a post with a censored word, they do not retain the original text.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 07, 2012, 09:37:15 pm

White Sox shuffle scouting department:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-scouts-changes-20121106,0,1139409.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-scouts-changes-20121106,0,1139409.story)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 07, 2012, 10:03:38 pm
Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.

We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.



Method. after this past year being in first place most of the year then losing at the end. I would rather go in a new direction, even if it meant we didn't contend next year.

Re-signing Youk and AJ will put us over the salary cap JR has set (wish we were owned by Ilich), and we would be back to where we were last year, maybe worse with the Tigers getting better. I'd rather see lots of creative trades, getting rid of Dunn, Rios, Beckham, Floyd, and others, for as much as we can get back in return.

Who is T****?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on November 07, 2012, 10:22:37 pm
Thornton
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 07, 2012, 10:25:15 pm
Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.

We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.



Method. after this past year being in first place most of the year then losing at the end. I would rather go in a new direction, even if it meant we didn't contend next year.

Re-signing Youk and AJ will put us over the salary cap JR has set (wish we were owned by Ilich), and we would be back to where we were last year, maybe worse with the Tigers getting better. I'd rather see lots of creative trades, getting rid of Dunn, Rios, Beckham, Floyd, and others, for as much as we can get back in return.

Who is T****?

An educated guess is Thornton.  Method probably wrote 'Th0rny' which is banned by CAF due to 'h o r n y' being part of the word.  Similar to Joe Adcock (Adc0ck) being censored due to the four letters c o c k being part of his name.





Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 10:26:48 pm
Resigning AJ and youk would work! I think we also need to move Floyd for an upgrade.

We do really need to move T**** and his salary at this point... would give us some more flexibility.



Method. after this past year being in first place most of the year then losing at the end. I would rather go in a new direction, even if it meant we didn't contend next year.

Re-signing Youk and AJ will put us over the salary cap JR has set (wish we were owned by Ilich), and we would be back to where we were last year, maybe worse with the Tigers getting better. I'd rather see lots of creative trades, getting rid of Dunn, Rios, Beckham, Floyd, and others, for as much as we can get back in return.

Who is T****?

You sir are preaching to the choir... but this isnt going to happen... i wanted this a year ago.. I'm all for dumping the likes of rios/dunn et al... lets use Dayan and Beckham as trade bait and rebuild as well.

That is not how this team is going to move foward... Lets go for it again this year... Central is there for the taking... build a pitching staff that can win and go for it one more time!

If i am not mistaken you were all for asking why we shouldnt have kept rios this past year! he was AWESOME!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 07, 2012, 10:27:55 pm
Then it should have been T*******

Like I said before Nats would go for Thornton bigtime.

How about Tyler Moore in return?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 10:28:58 pm
NO team is taking  Dunn of our hands...
 
Becks has more value to us then anyone else.

Rios... well.. who knows what he will do... other then earn a **** ton of money on the sox dime. I do believe some of us were wishing he was traded during the season and you mentioned wanting him over MB?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 07, 2012, 10:30:43 pm
Rios over Burly? I don't recall that
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 07, 2012, 10:35:47 pm


Unless the White Sox step up quickly, AJ's White Sox career is over.  The odds of him returning is slim to none.  There will not be any last minute 'home town discount' this time.  He wants a minimum two year contract for over $6 Million @ year for which will probably be his last major league contract. According to WSCR, that's what he's telling everyone.





Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on November 07, 2012, 10:40:06 pm
How about Tyler Moore in return?

I'd go for Mary Tyler Moore!  Back in the day -- hubba!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 10:40:31 pm
Rios over Burly? I don't recall that

Believe you asked me if i'd rather have Rios this year... or MB...

I mentioned that i'd always rather spend the $$$ on pitching.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 10:50:42 pm
In searching the forums i couldnt find the post i did find my response thought... I recollect you specifically asking me if i'd rather have dunn/rios or MB on the 2012 sox... the answer today is the same it was then... I'd rather have the P


Re: Today's Game - 2012
« Reply #1754 on: September 15, 2012, 10:40:14 pm »
Quote
hmmm... i suggest Santos... more qualified then any of the others healthy or not.

Reed has good stuff... but we're a playoff team with a rookie closer not named Kimbrel...

You keep offering me these choices with the benefit of hindsight...

Rios/Dunn or MB... (regardless of prior costing 2x as much as MB)

Reed or the misfits we have assembled...

McDougal or Thornton...

I am not really sure what you are looking for...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 08, 2012, 12:03:57 am
Rios had an excellent season last year, but it seems he is a one year on and one year off. His value should be high after this season. Maybe it is time to trade him. I thought this was his last year on his contract or is it next year?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on November 08, 2012, 08:40:03 am
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Unless the White Sox step up quickly, AJ's White Sox career is over.  The odds of him returning is slim to none.  There will not be any last minute 'home town discount' this time.  He wants a minimum two year contract for over $6 Million @ year for which will probably be his last major league contract. According to WSCR, that's what he's telling everyone.

Give it to him.  What he brings to the club cannot be overestimated.  The fire, the will to win, the experience behind the plate, his handling of pitchers, the fact that he often psyches-out the competition, his smart way of playing the game... these are all pluses that we will not duplicate with another catcher.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 08, 2012, 09:40:05 am
How about Tyler Moore in return?

I'd go for Mary Tyler Moore!  Back in the day -- hubba!


Someone actually named their kid Tyler Moore?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on November 08, 2012, 11:31:35 am
I love to watch reruns of Mary Tyler Moore.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 08, 2012, 08:23:47 pm
I am not really sure what you are looking for...

I'm not looking for a thing and I'm not sure what you're rambling about
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 15, 2012, 01:04:14 pm
the schedule at whitesox.com has the sox playing in Milwaukee the Fri & Sat before opening day, fwiw
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 15, 2012, 02:41:32 pm
Was not sure where to post this one. Got my hard copy of the newest Baseball America. Nice looking headline under the PLUS section of the cover.

Taking a Closer Look at White Sox Knack for Developing Pitchers

This is what I have said all along, we have a knack. It starts with guys like Kirk Champion and Curt Hasler, both whom have overseen our minor league system as well as some of our long time minor league pitching coaches like JR Perdew and Richard Dotson. I think Dotson has been doing it for 11 years, the others longer in our system. That stability is such a key.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on November 15, 2012, 03:18:49 pm
the schedule at whitesox.com has the sox playing in Milwaukee the Fri & Sat before opening day, fwiw

hmm, let me get back to you on the FWIW
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on November 15, 2012, 10:46:41 pm
Taking a Closer Look at White Sox Knack for Developing Pitchers

If only they could develop a few posistion players....
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 16, 2012, 08:56:15 am
We have a few coming up, Hawkins, Thompson, Sanchez.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on November 16, 2012, 09:05:09 am
We've always had "a few coming up."

When was the last time we've had an impact home grown player?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 16, 2012, 09:07:25 am
Chris Sale?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on November 16, 2012, 09:09:49 am
Meant to say "position player."
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 16, 2012, 09:09:52 am
We've always had "a few coming up."

When was the last time we've had an impact home grown player?

Before Sale, Gio Gonzalez, Chris Carter, Dan Hudson, Chris Young. Does not mean we keep em all, we can use them in trades too. I would consider Nathan Jones and Santiago possible impact players.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 16, 2012, 03:37:28 pm
Meant to say "position player."

Rowand & Crede.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 17, 2012, 09:17:56 am
Thats a long time back.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 19, 2012, 03:15:26 pm
85 days until pitchers & catchers report:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-white-sox-open-spring-training-feb-12-first-exhibition-game-feb-23-20121119,0,4743032.story
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 19, 2012, 03:24:34 pm
85 days until pitchers & catchers report:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-white-sox-open-spring-training-feb-12-first-exhibition-game-feb-23-20121119,0,4743032.story

Way to be on top of it big guy!!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 20, 2012, 12:32:05 pm

Andre Rienzo, Santos Rodriguez, Jared Mitchell and Josh Phegley  are expected to be placed on the 40-man roster, which will be set later Tuesday.  Carlos Sanchez and Trayce Thompson are not required to be placed on the 40-man roster.  The Sox's 40-man roster stands at 34.

Bobby Thigpen, Richard Dotson, Curt Hasler, J.R. Perdew and Mark Salas are under consideration for the bullpen coach's job.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-top-prospects-carlos-sanchez-and-trayce-thompson-not-required-to-be-placed-on-20121120,0,7812497.story
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on November 20, 2012, 01:24:31 pm
Thought Salas was already bullpen coach?

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 20, 2012, 02:04:36 pm
He's the bullpen catcher, no?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 20, 2012, 04:15:18 pm

Andre Rienzo, Santos Rodriguez, Jared Mitchell and Josh Phegley  are expected to be placed on the 40-man roster, which will be set later Tuesday.  Carlos Sanchez and Trayce Thompson are not required to be placed on the 40-man roster.  The Sox's 40-man roster stands at 34.

Bobby Thigpen, Richard Dotson, Curt Hasler, J.R. Perdew and Mark Salas are under consideration for the bullpen coach's job.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-top-prospects-carlos-sanchez-and-trayce-thompson-not-required-to-be-placed-on-20121120,0,7812497.story

Sounds like Charlie Shirek also added, so room for 1 FA at this time.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 21, 2012, 12:34:24 pm
Dewayne Wise - he re-signed
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on November 21, 2012, 01:27:53 pm
I sure hope he's insurance/backup
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 21, 2012, 08:31:32 pm
Dewayne Wise - he re-signed

Good insurance policy. He can help when he is called on
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 21, 2012, 08:39:45 pm
Forgot to mention, signing Wise fills up our 40-man roster at this point.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 27, 2012, 11:42:37 am

The Chicago White Sox named Daryl Boston as their first base coach and Bobby Thigpen as bullpen coach while shifting first base coach Harold Baines to the newly created position of assistant hitting coach.




http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-daryl-boston-bobby-thigpen-named-to-coaching-staff-20121127,0,2697453.story
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on November 27, 2012, 12:53:38 pm
Harold Baines to the newly created position of assistant hitting coach..

Heh, our hitting is so bad that we need 2 hitting coaches now!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 27, 2012, 04:18:51 pm
Thats a gas.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 27, 2012, 11:26:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMuQCoMgCxI
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 28, 2012, 10:59:48 am
I see this week is the winter meetings. Lets hope some of our team problems get solved this week by a couple of trades.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 28, 2012, 12:36:06 pm
The winter meetings are next week...   Dec 3-6 IIRC.

I think this Friday is the "Non-Tender" deadline, so some addition guys will become available.   I am expecting Humber to be one of them.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 28, 2012, 07:00:25 pm
You are right, and I knew it. It begins Monday. Sorry. I dont know what made me post that, maybe I just wanted some trades to happen so badly
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on November 28, 2012, 07:26:47 pm
HAH!!!  I really enjoyed that post Wshfl...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 29, 2012, 08:12:32 am
Glad it tickled your funny bone
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 29, 2012, 01:13:36 pm
White Sox tempted to promote prospect Sanchez

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-tempted-to-promote-prospect-Sa?blockID=807305&feedID=7139&utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=63a8325f9f-Daily+CSNChicago.com+E-Blast&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 29, 2012, 09:10:18 pm
The move to make might be to bring up Sanchez and move Beckham to 3B
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on November 29, 2012, 09:45:46 pm
I'd rather keep Sanchez down for a year and sign a 3Bman like Youk.

If Sanchez shows he can handle a full load at AAA, then demote Beckham to the bench.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 29, 2012, 10:35:19 pm
Nats are talking about going after Grienke, now that they got Span. It's so refreshing to root for a team where a team payroll cap is never the issue. With JR and KW we hear of this every year, and accept it. Did they ever think that if they built a winner with a higher payroll, that the added attendance would easily cover the extra costs?

If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.

Cheapskate JR is the problem.

Is Edward DeBartelo still alive?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 30, 2012, 08:29:29 am
Nats are talking about going after Grienke, now that they got Span. It's so refreshing to root for a team where a team payroll cap is never the issue. With JR and KW we hear of this every year, and accept it. Did they ever think that if they built a winner with a higher payroll, that the added attendance would easily cover the extra costs?

If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.

Cheapskate JR is the problem.

Is Edward DeBartelo still alive?

I have been asking for that for years. I like JR and some of the things they do, but this budget stuff is for the birds.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on November 30, 2012, 09:03:01 am
I like JR and some of the things they do, but this budget stuff is for the birds.

Especially when you're in a 2-team town and your team is the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay distant 2nd in popularity. You kind of need to do a little more to make your team stand out and force people to take notice of you.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 30, 2012, 09:50:57 am
If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.

The team was in first place most of the 2012 season and no one showed up. I can understand ownership's hesitation regarding wanton spending.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2012, 10:11:57 am
So did Youkilis add to the attendance? No. Adding better players doesnt necessarily increase attendance. I think the economy was the biggest factor as well as the skepticism of the fans that hindered attendance this year
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on November 30, 2012, 10:22:01 am
White Sox tempted to promote prospect Sanchez

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-tempted-to-promote-prospect-Sa?blockID=807305&feedID=7139&utm_source=Master+List&utm_campaign=63a8325f9f-Daily+CSNChicago.com+E-Blast&utm_medium=email

I hate tools like Dan Hayes.  He implies they are thinking of promoting him when in fact they have no intention.  Budget conscious?  What team isn't?  But it's the Coo who are now the major Scrooges in town
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on November 30, 2012, 10:24:10 am
If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.

The team was in first place most of the 2012 season and no one showed up. I can understand ownership's hesitation regarding wanton spending.

Actually, there is evidence that 4 people made it to the park last season.  Anecdotal but still seems likely.

That said, they were never great, never super exciting and though they have tons more personality type players than the Cub, no one really dynamic that you want to go see play.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on November 30, 2012, 10:25:49 am
Nats are talking about going after Grienke, now that they got Span. It's so refreshing to root for a team where a team payroll cap is never the issue. With JR and KW we hear of this every year, and accept it. Did they ever think that if they built a winner with a higher payroll, that the added attendance would easily cover the extra costs?

If we added 25 million in payroll, we would have lots of options to improve. An extra 500,000 in attendance would bring about another 25-50 million in revenue.

Cheapskate JR is the problem.

Is Edward DeBartelo still alive?

I have been asking for that for years. I like JR and some of the things they do, but this budget stuff is for the birds.

JR is rich, but he's not THAT rich.  Not Rickett's rich.  He's taken the payroll up recently and it hasn't worked too well.  Guessing if they could add a VERY good player they would add a lot. 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on November 30, 2012, 10:35:09 am
and though they have tons more personality type players than the Cub, no one really dynamic that you want to go see play.

The Cubs have Anthony Rizzo. We can't compete with that. And just wait til it's time for them to bring up Soler, Almora and Baez! If there's one good thing the Cubs/media are good at, it's being a marketing machine.

In all seriousness, the Sox just can't compete with the Cubs right now in terms of popularity so they need to win big consistently in order to change the tides. It doesn't matter if the team wasn't "all that great" last year. A first place team late in September should be drawing big crowds and have a buzz about them. I can understand ownership's frustration to a degree.

They are taking steps to make things more fan friendly but lowering ticket prices alone isn't going to make them start selling out the park.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on November 30, 2012, 10:40:27 am
Yeah, why don't we go after the top FAs like Adam Dunn or try to trade for former Cy Young winners like Jake Peavy?
We should show some balls and spend a little money when all-star talent like Alex Rios come available on waivers.

This avoiding salaries crap sucks....
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on November 30, 2012, 10:43:16 am
Of course,  the flip side is if we sign the big dollar guys and they don't produce as much as we thought, then we have to crab-a$$ about why we waste so much money...

I'm here all week. Pick a tune and sing it already. In the meantime, I like where we sit. Our pitching looks very good.
We have a couple holes to fill, but that's better than most teams. The Nationals didn't get good by buying FAs.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 30, 2012, 11:17:41 am
I'm not sure what the Cubs have to do with any of this. It's not like the Sox are going to convert Cub fans and get their dollar. They need to get the people who are Sox fans (or are indifferent) who stayed home last season to show up.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on November 30, 2012, 11:24:12 am
I'm not sure what the Cubs have to do with any of this.

I think Shoe brought them up because anytime the Sox are discussed in baseball terms of anything, it's easy to compare them to the other team in town who draws fans like flies without the benefit of needing to field a winning team (at least in years past).

No one is advocating trying to turn Cub fans into Sox fans.  It's a question of how can we consistently sell out our baseball games? Chicago is a huge city. The Cubs do it, why can't we? It's a natural comparison.



They need to get the people who are Sox fans (or are indifferent) who stayed home last season to show up.


Which the org is trying to do by lowering prices, to which I said that alone won't do it (imo).

My point was that the Cubs are the Cubs and we can't compete with their popularity unless we win consistently. And to win consistently we might need to increase our budget more than ownership likes.



Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 30, 2012, 05:25:15 pm
It is what it is, Sox are the 2-dog in town but they are my favorites. I realize JR is not as rich as Ricketts, but I agree with whomever said you have to spend money to get better before anyone else is going to come to the park. I guess I will continue to love the Sox as well as hate the Cubs for being more popular than my team
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on December 11, 2012, 08:26:48 am
I'd say it's looking bleak at this point for the 2013 Sox.  Is Hahn going to continue with Kenny's MO of getting just enough talent to keep fans somewhat interested, but not enough talent to go through the playoffs?   
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 11, 2012, 08:46:03 am
Fury, not sure where you think we will get the money for a big haul.

I saw on mlb that the top 6 teams in spending are now

Dodgers (215M)
Yankees  (185M)
RedSox
Phillies
Angels
Tigers

I think the other 4 are all around 150M. They also expect the Cubs to break into the top 6 within a year or two. Sure wish we could, as SoxRule has also been wishing we could play on an equal playing board with the others.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on December 11, 2012, 04:53:07 pm
We were in the top six 2-3 years ago.  It guarantees nothing... 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on December 18, 2012, 02:59:13 pm
So what you are all saying is: don't expect another World Series win within our lifetimes.  Got it.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on December 18, 2012, 03:05:25 pm
Lots of coaching moves...and Shirek has gone to conquer Asia:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-burns-law-chicago-white-sox-20121218,0,3572120.story
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 18, 2012, 06:32:36 pm
Lots of coaching moves...and Shirek has gone to conquer Asia:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-burns-law-chicago-white-sox-20121218,0,3572120.story

Just saw my dental hygienist today, she is Shirek's aunt, I asked about the rumor (at the time I had not seen that he had gone) and she said she knew nothing about it and their families talk weekly, heh
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on December 18, 2012, 11:57:57 pm
my dental hygienist... is Shirek's aunt

That is so funny-yet-cool on so many levels...

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on December 27, 2012, 08:57:09 am
LaRussa to be at SoxFest:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-tony-la-russa-soxfest-20121226,0,7894268.story
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on January 02, 2013, 08:03:21 am
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LaRussa to be at SoxFest:
Jeez.  Overrated, master of the four-hour ball game. 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 10, 2013, 02:52:13 pm

The White Sox have extended non-roster spring training invitations to 13 "prospects" and seven "recently signed scrap heap guys": right-handed pitchers Jeff Gray and Ramon Troncoso, left-hander David Purcey, catcher Bryan Anderson, infielders Josh Bell and Steve Tolleson and outfielder Stefan Gartrell.




http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-spring-training-20130110,0,6809709.story
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 10, 2013, 03:02:05 pm
Didn't realize Sanchez was a pitcher, man that kid can do it all...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 10, 2013, 03:53:51 pm
Thanks Blackie, I did not have Josh Bell nor Stefan Gartrell on my rosters. They will both help Charlotte quite a bit, good hitters in the minors. Bell could be a candidate for 3B, likely not, but off his hitting numbers throughout the minors, he has been consistently good. From Rockford too.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 11, 2013, 05:10:47 pm
worth a read:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/1/10/3862502/whos-who-among-white-sox-non-roster-spring-training-invitees
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 12, 2013, 08:23:58 am
worth a read:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/1/10/3862502/whos-who-among-white-sox-non-roster-spring-training-invitees
Gracias Amigo
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2013, 09:00:32 am
That was real impressive
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Joshpr on January 12, 2013, 10:59:38 pm
Josh bell was highly Tought of within the orioles org not long ago
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 16, 2013, 07:58:17 am


(http://s3.amazonaws.com/cmi-niche/gallery_photos/12860/images/slideshow_std_h_ZoraidaSambolinKennyWilliamsCourtesySteveStar.jpg?1305064221)

White Sox VP Williams Gets Engaged

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/white-sox-vp-williams-gets-engaged/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/white-sox-vp-williams-gets-engaged/)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 16, 2013, 08:30:25 am
I see KWs ex stepson is having some problems.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 16, 2013, 05:40:33 pm
I see KWs ex stepson is having some problems.


Ken Williams’ former stepson charged with sexual assault

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17572013-418/ken-williams-former-stepson-charged-with-sexual-assault.html (http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/17572013-418/ken-williams-former-stepson-charged-with-sexual-assault.html)


Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 18, 2013, 01:35:59 pm
They are going to wear 1983 throwbacks on Sundays this year.  Ugh.

I'd prefer that they wear 1993 throwbacks.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 18, 2013, 01:38:58 pm
Beckham & DeAza signed deals, avoid arbitration.

Beckham will earn $2.925 million, a healthy raise from his $520,000 salary in 2012. De Aza's salary will jump from $495,000 to $2.075 million.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-news-gordon-beckham-agrees-to-oneyear-2925-million-contract-20130118,0,982633.story
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 19, 2013, 08:12:14 pm
Seems good to me:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/white-sox-agree-to-sign-matt-lindstrom.html
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 19, 2013, 08:52:49 pm
Sure cant hurt. Another hard thrower in the bullpen is always a good thing. ;D
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on January 21, 2013, 10:14:53 pm
I'd prefer that they wear 1993 throwbacks

Or 1953
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on January 22, 2013, 12:02:32 pm
From Jeff Passan:

"This is what Backloaded Contract Hell looks like, " in reference to the payroll up quite a bit but with no new major acquisitions.  Whose contract is backloaded?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no--18-white-sox--chicago-hard-pressed-to-prove-last-season-s-surprising-run-wasn-t-a-fluke-215701921.html
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 22, 2013, 03:38:45 pm
Hector Santiago visits Newton, CT:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8865838/chicago-white-sox-pitcher-hector-santiago-visits-newtown
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on January 22, 2013, 05:30:30 pm
Danks goes from 2 million to almost 16 million, Dunn goes up 1 million, Rios 500K.  Pauly goes up 1.5 million but 7 million is deferred so not sure how that is counted
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 22, 2013, 09:42:17 pm
Something to read:



http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/Sox-Drawer---Hahn-Were-not-done?blockID=826065&feedID=10338
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2013, 07:29:24 am
Hooray!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 23, 2013, 08:28:03 am
Hector Santiago visits Newton, CT:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8865838/chicago-white-sox-pitcher-hector-santiago-visits-newtown

Kind of goes along with the image I had of him as being a good guy.

For the few games my parents / brother went to last year, he was always signing autographs all the way up until the first pitch, and he went out of his way on a few occasions to make sure that some of the younger fans were taken care of.
He was also tossing sunflower seeds to people in the stands.

Seems like an all around good guy... the anti-Thome.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 23, 2013, 01:36:37 pm
Thought this was interesting:


In Flowers, the team not only has a player who is projected to be a better hitter by Bill James, but also the better defender. Last season, Flowers was more than six runs better defensively than Pierzynski by one measure, and that was with Pierzynski playing three times as much. With more time, Flowers should be a huge asset, and could end up a top-10 catcher defensively.


http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=87369&view=findpost&p=2753746
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2013, 03:01:46 pm
While I hope that proves out to be true, I just didnt see that out of him enough to believe it'll be true. Catcher has always been a power position and I dont see that out of Flowers.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 23, 2013, 03:08:46 pm
Power is the only thing I see out of Flowers.

I see a .230 hitter, .320ish OBP, and 20 home runs.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2013, 03:21:57 pm
Just my opinion but 20 is very average, its a norm.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2013, 03:28:58 pm
Thought this was interesting:


In Flowers, the team not only has a player who is projected to be a better hitter by Bill James, but also the better defender. Last season, Flowers was more than six runs better defensively than Pierzynski by one measure, and that was with Pierzynski playing three times as much. With more time, Flowers should be a huge asset, and could end up a top-10 catcher defensively.


http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=87369&view=findpost&p=2753746


I'd like to see some archived Bill James predictions on other 'major change' in starting personnel. Like the Karkovice replacing Fisk as the starting catcher back in the mid-80s.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 23, 2013, 03:35:41 pm
While I am certainly in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp, I was surprised that someone as relatively knowledgable as Bill James thought he'd be a better hitter than AJ.    That's all.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 23, 2013, 03:40:49 pm
Just my opinion but 20 is very average, its a norm.

Before last year, which was a fluke, AJ averaged 12 homers/year over his previous ten seasons.

I'll be fine if Flowers produces what JoeC projects.... lower average, same OBP, but more power & much better defense at a much lower cost than AJ.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 23, 2013, 04:40:17 pm
Sox will televise six exhibition games, starting with March 15 game vs. Cubs on WGN. Other five on Comcast SportsNet

https://twitter.com/MDGonzales
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 23, 2013, 05:39:09 pm
Blackie, pretty sure James uses OBP heavily, and Flowers should have a better OBP than AJP, unless he cannot get his average over Mendoza level. I know he has power, thought that was pretty evident. Just surprised by his D, he never was considered a good defensive catcher when we traded for him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 23, 2013, 09:08:38 pm
I think his defense is "good" in a relative sense, as in compared to AJ's.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2013, 11:02:21 pm
Blackie nails it
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 24, 2013, 07:34:48 am
Well, I never thought AJ killed us with his D. He seemed to be real good blocking balls in the dirt, he manned the plate well on plays at home. He lacked the arm to prevent teams like Minny from running wild on us, that was his big problem. Maybe the pitchers like the handling by Flowers, I know Peavy did.

But these guys are saying he is much more than AJ, sounds like Thurman Munson from those reports.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 24, 2013, 02:50:46 pm
In today's Trib, Ventura hints that he may wait until ~ March 7 to have Sale, Qunitana, and Danks make their first spring training appearance in order to preserve their arms for the regular season.

Seems like a plan to me.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on January 24, 2013, 04:34:15 pm
Add Peavy to the list, Please.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 27, 2013, 08:32:53 am
In the Trib today there is an article in which the Sox want to rework the lineup to reduce strikeouts. That is all good stuff, but thus far we have brought in Keppinger to replace Youkilis, Kepp will strike out less, but Youk did not K a ton. Then we replace AJP with Flowers, and I will tell you right now, if Flowers bats 500 times he will K 150 times, and that is like 4 times what AJP struck out.

So, I agree with their premise, but man, lets see you back up that talk.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on January 28, 2013, 07:46:41 am
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/13214/edgy-flowers-ready-to-produce#more

Edgy Flowers ready to produce

“I’m not A.J.,” he said. “I’m going to strike out more than A.J., so we can go ahead and get over that. I’m not worried about striking out or statistics to be honest with you. I hope the statistics look good at the end of the year, but the biggest thing is catching and handling the staff. For me, hitting .300 isn’t going to help us win as much as it is me doing my job behind the plate working with the pitchers. If we give up zero runs, we have a pretty good chance of winning that game.”

Oh yeah?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 28, 2013, 09:42:25 am
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/13214/edgy-flowers-ready-to-produce#more

Edgy Flowers ready to produce

“I’m not A.J.,” he said. “I’m going to strike out more than A.J., so we can go ahead and get over that. I’m not worried about striking out or statistics to be honest with you. I hope the statistics look good at the end of the year, but the biggest thing is catching and handling the staff. For me, hitting .300 isn’t going to help us win as much as it is me doing my job behind the plate working with the pitchers. If we give up zero runs, we have a pretty good chance of winning that game.”

Oh yeah?


(http://thegoldensombrero.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/tylerflowersgoldensombrero.jpg)

real world translation of Flowers quote:

"I'm going to suck offensively as my batting average will hover at the Mendoza line and I'll battle Adam Dunn to see who strikeouts at a higher rate but hopefully my defense will compensate for the gaping hole my promotion to the starting catcher will create in the batting order."

In other words, Karkovice 2.0.









Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 01, 2013, 03:40:30 pm
They are wasting the last open slot on the 40-man for this guy?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/02/white-sox-claim-lars-anderson.html
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on February 01, 2013, 04:08:18 pm

Scouting Report: Tall left-handed hitter with well, filled out frame. Smooth swing. Demonstrates strong patience at the plate, comfortably working counts to get offerings to drive.  Brings a plan to the plate and has knowledge of his strike zone. Lets the ball get deep on him and hits inside of the baseball.  Extends well with his arms to drive ball to opposite field. Struggles with breaking balls, which leads to swings-and-misses and weak contact on the ground.  Must improve contact skills to project as an average-to-better hitter for batting average at the big league level. Despite plus raw power, has trouble pulling the ball with lift.  Swing shows too much hook and lacks leverage due to looping hands during swing load.  Struggles to get good wood on inside fastballs.  Average-to-solid-average home run projection at big league level. Below-average speed. Defense around the first base bag has improved the last two seasons.  Has become more sure-handed. Digs throws in the dirt well.  Average range.  Adequate defensively.  Ability to stick on a major league roster heavily tied into offensive production.  Needs more consistency with focus and concentration. Projects as an up-and-down major leaguer, with potential to carve role out on a second division team.   


Well, I'd say he's found his home...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 01, 2013, 06:39:41 pm
LOL
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 02, 2013, 08:09:13 am
I recall about 2-3 years ago Bosox claiming this guy was their next Yaz (not in those very words I am sure). They were really touting him, guess he fell off his pedestal.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on February 04, 2013, 10:06:16 am
What a numbingly mediocre team this is going to be next season...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 04, 2013, 10:28:52 am
I concur.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on February 04, 2013, 11:04:52 am
I was more optimistic heading into last year than I am this year.

Our pitching still looks competitive, but we really haven't done anything to upgrade our offense.
Right now I could see the same thing happening this year as last,
where we do well until later in the season and then the offense is unable to carry us when the pitching starts tiring.

Not sure where the bats come from, but we better find a few.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on February 04, 2013, 11:47:05 am
The only hope I have is that Hahn makes some trades during the season. 

Otherwise, it's third place, at best.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 04, 2013, 02:06:31 pm
But we're in the Central....
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on February 04, 2013, 04:40:28 pm
Yep...

1. Detroit (92-70)
2. Cleveland (86-76)
3. Sox (80-82)
4. KC (78-84)
5. Minny (65-97)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on February 04, 2013, 06:05:17 pm
Cleveland sucks, I'm not impressed with their offseason . Choo is gone, starting pitching still a mess there.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on February 05, 2013, 07:02:16 am
Cleveland sucks, I'm not impressed with their offseason . Choo is gone, starting pitching still a mess there.

Yeah, the luster of their magical 2006 season is all but gone now.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on February 05, 2013, 08:28:07 am
I agree that Cleveland and the Sox could battle it out to see who tops .500.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on February 05, 2013, 09:56:06 am
I see KC as more of a threat. Their pitching is still mediocre, but they've added depth.
Their offense won't be an issue.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 05, 2013, 11:58:05 am
Heh:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/17969912-574/hawk-harrelson-says-chemistry-between-him-steve-stone-will-be-better.html
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on February 05, 2013, 12:40:16 pm
I really wish Hawk would just retire. I have a feeling Stone is gone after this year and it would be really nice to have a whole new broadcasting team. I'm tired of both of them!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2013, 02:52:47 pm
I think I'd miss Hawk more than Stoney
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on February 05, 2013, 03:43:53 pm
I think I'd miss Hawk more than Stoney

True, but (to me) only because Hawk has been part of the White Sox for such a long time now, whereas Stone has only been here a couple years and doesn't have the passion for the Sox that Hawk obviously has.

Still, I think Hawk is starting to become an embarrassment.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 05, 2013, 09:47:52 pm
Personally if Stoney were to remove his shirt for us his undershirt would be Cubby blue. Its just a feeling I have of him. While he is very baseball knowledgeable, I have never been a true fan of his. Eventhough Stoney has burned a lot of bridges over at Clark and Addison it doesnt make him more White Sox.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on February 06, 2013, 08:15:10 am
Eventhough Stoney has burned a lot of bridges over at Clark and Addison it doesnt make him more White Sox.

I agree, although I also don't feel like he bleeds Cubbie blue either. But he does have more of a history with the Cubs after being part of that org for so long and I'm sure he wants to be a part of it if the cubs ever win the big one (and then his ego will make him feel like he was partly responsible for the victory).
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2013, 10:22:21 am
Oh I definitely think he bleeds Cubbie blue. He is definitely Cubbie inside where it really counts
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 06, 2013, 10:52:15 am
Hearing Stoney on the local sports yakker several times over the past couple of years, he seems more than happy to take shots at the Cubs & Cubs org.   Methinks he is still a bit bitter about being fired by them.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 06, 2013, 01:28:35 pm
I don't think Hawk is an embarrassment.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2013, 08:05:44 am
Methinks he is still a bit bitter about being fired by them.

Definitely. He wanted to be their GM. But he is still Cubby blue inside.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on March 07, 2013, 02:18:07 pm
Sox and Chris Sale agree to 5-year deal:

Bruce Levine
‏@ESPNBruceLevine
White Sox will give Chris Sale 35 million with options that could take deal $60 million.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on March 07, 2013, 02:59:01 pm
The Chicago White Sox and left-hander Chris Sale agreed on a five-year, $32.5 million extension Thursday that includes club options for 2018 and 2019.

Sale, 23, will earn $850,000 in 2013, $3.5 million in 2014, $6.0 million in 2015, $9.15 million in 2016 and $12 million in 2017.  The White Sox then hold options for 2018 at $12.5 million and for 2019 at $13.5 million. If either option is declined, Sale will receive a $1.0-million buyout.


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/03/07/report-white-sox-sale-agree-on-extension/
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 07, 2013, 03:01:06 pm
Seems like a good deal to me.   Hopefully he (and Danks) earn their money.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on March 07, 2013, 03:18:19 pm
Sale is going to be Cy Young in a few years.  Good move.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2013, 04:07:29 pm
It seems to be a fair deal for both sides
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on March 07, 2013, 04:20:20 pm
Yep, I am ok with it. Glad to take a chance on a young arm, we never would do that for quite a while. I also appreciate Peavy hanging around and, in my opinion anyway, show us he appreciated us sticking with him so he stuck with us for a deal.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on March 07, 2013, 05:25:09 pm
Shoulda kept Buehrle.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on March 07, 2013, 06:12:30 pm
Agreed
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2013, 07:43:32 pm
Probably, but not with the deal he got.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on March 07, 2013, 07:49:41 pm
If toronto sucks this year... we might be able to trade for him.

Like the sale deal... low risk esp since those are Free agent years they are getting with club options.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 12, 2013, 11:41:22 am
Ed Farmer was on the McNeil show last Friday.   He had some interesting things to say about AJ & his departure's impact on the team.   Let's just say he agrees with BlackSox in that overall it is addition by subtraction... but the stuff about how AJ called pitches (and "cost Quintana a couple of victories") was very intriguing.

I finally got around to looking for the podcast, I believe it is #18 in the link below.   Worth a listen.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/670-the-score-interviews/id398083094
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on March 12, 2013, 03:06:52 pm
Thank You Blackie!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 12, 2013, 04:57:06 pm
Ed Farmer was on the McNeil show last Friday.   He had some interesting things to say about AJ & his departure's impact on the team.   Let's just say he agrees with BlackSox in that overall it is addition by subtraction... but the stuff about how AJ called pitches (and "cost Quintana a couple of victories") was very intriguing.

I finally got around to looking for the podcast, I believe it is #18 in the link below.   Worth a listen.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/670-the-score-interviews/id398083094

The Farmer interview is now #24 on the list. 

There is also a pretty good 9-minute interview with Rick Hahn at Blackie's link.  Presently it's #11 on the iTunes WSCR interviews list.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 14, 2013, 04:10:16 pm
Too early for me to select a Whipping Boy yet, but I tell ya what, if Peavy is no better than "decent", I got my eye on him.

Kessinger could be Canadian Mark Treehorn all over again.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 14, 2013, 04:28:54 pm
Kessinger is retired. You mean Keppinger...

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 14, 2013, 04:31:53 pm
(http://img.beckett.com/images/items_stock/185223/3825894/3826369/front.jpg)

"yeah, F you Jeter, this Keppinger guy couldn't hold my jock. He can barely beat out a guy named Conor..."
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 14, 2013, 04:53:44 pm
Kessinger is retired. You mean Keppinger...

No, I meant Kessinger. He is Kessinger until he proves he can hit better than Kessinger.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on March 15, 2013, 08:14:36 am
Quote
...until he proves he can hit better than Kessinger.

Or better than Kissinger.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on March 15, 2013, 03:12:52 pm
Kissinger was supposed to be quite the ladies man.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 15, 2013, 03:42:58 pm
Hung like Milton Berle?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on March 15, 2013, 03:59:41 pm
Did not hear that, but just heard he really got along with ladies. Maybe he had lots of toys.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 19, 2013, 11:31:02 am
White Sox Offseason in Review:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/03/offseason-in-review-chicago-white-sox.html
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 19, 2013, 05:07:58 pm
http://deadspin.com/for-once-baseball-has-the-nfl-by-the-short-hairs-456535617

Heh.   And I believe the game in question is against the White Sox.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on March 21, 2013, 08:40:37 am
I read that Robin has pretty much confirmed Axelrod will take Danks' place in the rotation. If it is for 1 or 2 starts it may not be that bad, but if Danks is out for a few months this could get ugly really fast. It is critical that the Sox get off to a good start this year, with the Royals (if ST is any indication) being much improved and most of our games against the Tigers coming in the second half of the season.

We really cannot afford to go every 5 days holding our breath hoping for a win. If we get off to a slow start, what tiny tiny chance we may have had for a good season will be doomed.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on March 21, 2013, 03:38:45 pm
Quote
Robin has pretty much confirmed ... that the Sox ... season will be doomed.

Edited your post for you, SoxRule.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 21, 2013, 11:17:48 pm
Quote

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2013-02/74412268.jpg)

White Sox RHP Jesse Crain (strained right adductor) had a setback in a minor league outing Wednesday and looks doubtful to make the opening day roster. Brian Omogrosso or Ramon Troncoso are potential replacements in the White Sox bullpen.



read more:     http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sale-goes-7-innings-white-230555154--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sale-goes-7-innings-white-230555154--mlb.html)





Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 23, 2013, 12:42:15 am
These commercials are rather lame... but at least they are wacky-lame instead of the usual schmaltzy-lame.   Wacky > Schmultzy.

http://www.mlb.com/cws/ticketing/pie.jsp
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 24, 2013, 02:23:30 pm
Last night is the perfect Peavey (intentional misspelling, deuches- he's makes a lot of noise just like the amps and often a lot of **** comes out of them) example.

Great stuff and always gutsy (whatevs) for 5 innings and his pitch count was up over 90 ALREADY and he proceeded to suck immediately. He remains a Whipping Boy candidate.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 24, 2013, 03:31:14 pm
Last night is the perfect Peavey (intentional misspelling, deuches- he's makes a lot of noise just like the amps and often a lot of **** comes out of them) example.

Great stuff and always gutsy (whatevs) for 5 innings and his pitch count was up over 90 ALREADY and he proceeded to suck immediately. He remains a Whipping Boy candidate.


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tkbDtgOc6lw/USZq9JEQGQI/AAAAAAAALCE/Kn8oEalkM_Y/s1600/2013ToppsSpring+Fever16JakePeavy.JPG)



Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 24, 2013, 03:35:23 pm


this season's in-game 'entertainment' at the Cell includes:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/391813_605755392783800_1463560943_n.jpg)


Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on March 29, 2013, 03:06:34 pm
Sox retired numbers being moved from the outfield wall to the facade of the Stadium Club:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130328&content_id=43457000&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws

I wonder which sponsors they got to pay for the newly opened up ad space?  Whoever it is, their ads better not be fugly.  I'd much rather see some sort of LED board take up that real estate, though.  Make it functional for sponsors as well as fans.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on March 30, 2013, 01:04:59 pm
Ugh.  Why do we have to jump on the stupid stupid minor league races.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on April 01, 2013, 09:38:29 am
What's even worse is that Pudge, Kitty, and Harold all look like gigantic dildos.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 01, 2013, 09:52:00 am
bandwagon.  s/b "stupid minor league races bandwagon"

Why are they wearing dress shoes?   And wouldn't it have made more sense to look further back and make one of them shoe-less?  Idiots. 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on April 01, 2013, 01:25:42 pm
And wouldn't it have made more sense to look further back and make one of them shoe-less?

30 year anniversary of the 1983 Winning ugly championship.  You can expect allot of themes from that team all season
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 01, 2013, 02:58:22 pm
Ugh.  That team didn't even get out of the 1st round. Still, what's with the dress shoes?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 01, 2013, 03:02:28 pm
Ugh.  That team didn't even get out of the 1st round. Still, what's with the dress shoes?


it was a photo-op.  They'll be wearing sneakers, like in Milwaukee & Pittsburgh's sausage/pierogi races, during the actual games.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 02, 2013, 12:51:42 pm
White Sox make a move on April Fools Day:

White Sox Acquire Lars Anderson
By Zach Links [April 1 at 3:53pm CST]

The White Sox have acquired Lars Anderson from the Blue Jays in exchange for cash considerations, according to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter).  Anderson was designated for assignment by Toronto on March 29th to free up room for waiver claims Alex Burnett and Clint Robinson.

Anderson, 25, spent most of the 2012 season at Triple-A, where he posted a .250/.353/.396 batting line in 470 plate appearances.  He also has 30 games of big league experience to his credit with the Red Sox from 2010-12.

The first baseman has done his best impression of Carmen Sandiego, having moved around quite a bit this offseason.  Anderson went from the Indians to the D'Backs in the three-team Shin-Soo Choo deal and before a series of roster moves led him to the White Sox, then the Blue Jays, and finally back to the White Sox.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on April 06, 2013, 01:26:27 pm
Note to Brooks Boyer - please do something about the hideous collection of ads and announcements on the wall behind home plate. It makes the place look like a AA park.  Ugh.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 11, 2013, 05:07:52 pm




(http://espn.go.com/photo/2010/0730/mlb_u_cooper11_600.jpg)

Cooper to miss rest of Sox's trip


By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 1:30 p.m. CDT, April 11, 2013


WASHINGTON -- Pitching coach Don Cooper will miss the rest of the Chicago White Sox's 10-game trip while he recovers from a bout of diverticulitis.

Cooper, 57, remains hospitalized at Inova Hospital in Arlington, Va. Once Cooper is released, he will return to his offseason home in Nashville to continue his recovery. Cooper has been hospitalized since Tuesday.

Bullpen coach Bobby Thigpen will continue to serve as pitching coach, with bullpen catcher Mark Salas handling Thigpen's duties.

‘The only difference is the simple fact he’s not here," Thigpen said. "We talk every day. We’re going to talk tomorrow, obviously. Thankfully he’s feeling a little bit better. The quicker he can get back, the better. He’s part of the team, the pitching coach. It’s weird. Basically we talk about the same stuff, keeping the guys on the same track they’re on.”

read more:   http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-don-cooper-divertiticulitis-20130411,0,7447239.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-don-cooper-divertiticulitis-20130411,0,7447239.story)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 14, 2013, 01:26:44 pm


(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/73718/73718-23Fr.jpg)  (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/61443/61443-619Fr.jpg)  (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/10022/10022-BP54Fr.jpg)

The White Sox have placed infielder Angel Sanchez on the 15-day DL (retroactive to April 10) with a lower back strain, purchased the contract of infielder Tyler Greene from Triple-A Charlotte and designated lefty Charlie Leesman for assignment.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130414&content_id=44751394&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130414&content_id=44751394&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/news/#player_id=460022 (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/mlb/fantasy/news/#player_id=460022)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 15, 2013, 08:32:47 am
Quote
Pitching coach Don Cooper will miss the rest of the Chicago White Sox's 10-game trip...

This is devastating.  Who is managing the team in Coop's absence, I wonder?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 15, 2013, 09:41:51 am
Who is managing the team in Coop's absence, I wonder?

Who is managing the pitching staff you mean?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 15, 2013, 11:31:00 am
No, I mean who is managing the team.

Everyone knows that Coop pulls the strings and has more power in the clubhouse than Robin.

I wonder, if Robin had the authority/power to pick his own pitching coach, would he choose Cooper?

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 15, 2013, 12:53:00 pm
Everyone knows that Coop pulls the strings and has more power in the clubhouse than Robin.

No, I don't believe that for one second.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on April 15, 2013, 01:51:03 pm
Fury speaks with much wisdom...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 15, 2013, 02:50:21 pm
Regardless of his buddiness with KW... cooper is still regarded as one of the better pitching coaches in the game...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 16, 2013, 08:06:36 am
Not knocking Cooper's ability... I just feel that the manager should be given full, unqualified control of the team (and his staff) on the field and in the clubhouse.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on April 17, 2013, 10:15:10 am

Well the pitching seems to have missed Coop.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 17, 2013, 12:13:41 pm
It would be better if they missed bats...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on April 17, 2013, 03:18:11 pm
Very well put.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 17, 2013, 06:56:42 pm


White Sox Press Release


4/17/2013 1:03 P.M. ET

White Sox recall Jordan Danks from class AAA Charlotte; option Deunte Heath to Charlotte


Prior to tonight's game at Toronto, the Chicago White Sox recalled outfielder Jordan Danks from Class AAA Charlotte.  To make room for Danks on the active roster, the White Sox optioned right-handed pitcher Deunte Heath to Charlotte following last night's game against the Blue Jays.

Danks, 26, was batting .333 (17-51) with two home runs, five RBI and nine runs scored in 13 games with the Knights this season.  The younger brother of Chicago pitcher John Danks, he appeared in 50 games with the White Sox in 2012, hitting .224 (15-67) with one home run and four RBI. 

Danks will wear uniform No. 20.

Heath, 27, appeared in one game with the White Sox this season after being recalled from Charlotte on April 12.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130417&content_id=45049644&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130417&content_id=45049644&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 18, 2013, 07:57:42 am
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White Sox recall Jordan Danks from class AAA Charlotte; option Deunte Heath to Charlotte

Like rearranging deck chairs on the...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 18, 2013, 11:46:10 pm


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Pitching coach Cooper set to rejoin White Sox


By Chris Toman / Special to MLB.com | 04/18/2013 7:14 PM ET


TORONTO -- Pitching coach Don Cooper will rejoin the White Sox in Chicago on Friday for the start of a 10-game homestand that begins with a three-game set against the Twins.

Cooper was hospitalized in the Washington, D.C., area on April 9 with diverticulitis and returned to Chicago on Saturday.

The team is eager for his return to the dugout, where he spent 11 of his 26 seasons with the organization as pitching coach.

"We are looking forward to having Cooper back," manager Robin Ventura said. "It's odd him not being here. I'm just glad he's feeling better. It's going to be nice to have him back."

During Cooper's absence, bullpen coach Bobby Thigpen has filled in as the team's pitching coach, while Curt Hasler, the organization's pitching coordinator, has served as the bullpen coach.

Hasler's last game with the team will be Thursday's series finale against the Blue Jays and as much as he has enjoyed his time with the big club, he said it doesn't feel right with Cooper not around.

Ventura agrees, although he's pleased with the job Hasler and Thigpen have done.

"It's different. Bobby has filled in and done a great job," Ventura said. "Again, it's different not having Cooper there -- the conversations you are use to having in the middle of the game. Definitely looking forward to him getting back with us."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130418&content_id=45158768&notebook_id=45159322&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130418&content_id=45158768&notebook_id=45159322&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 19, 2013, 08:33:49 am
"We are looking forward to faced with the inevitability of having Cooper back," manager Robin Ventura said. "It's odd such a relief with him not being here. I'm just glad he's feeling better. You know, I have to say that because he's Kenny's buddy and is the real power in the clubhouse It's going to be nice to have him back."

During Cooper's absence, bullpen coach Bobby Thigpen has filled in as the team's pitching coach, while Curt Hasler, the organization's pitching coordinator, has served as the bullpen coach.

Hasler's last game with the team will be Thursday's series finale against the Blue Jays and as much as he has enjoyed his time with the big club, he said that he's compelled to express that it doesn't feel right with Cooper not around.

Ventura agrees, although he's pleased with the job Hasler and Thigpen have done.

"It's different. I can breathe so much easier. Bobby has filled in and done a great job," Ventura said. "I wish I could name my own pitching coach. Again, it's different not having Cooper there -- the conversations you are use to having in the middle of the game. I actually feel like it's my team now. But... Definitely looking forward to him getting back with us. I mean it.  Really.  Are you listening, Kenny?"



Had to fix that.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 19, 2013, 08:05:09 pm
Something happen to Floyd? On my MLB APP it shows Axelrod following Peavy, the Q, then TBD?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 20, 2013, 01:59:38 pm
Da sports guys here said everyone was pushed back a day.  Peavy today, Floyd tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2013, 02:10:11 pm


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Viciedo placed on DL with strained left oblique

Outfielder likely to miss more than 15 days; Tekotte called up


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 4/20/2013 2:36 P.M. ET


CHICAGO -- Dayan Viciedo became the fifth White Sox player to be placed on the disabled list since the start of the 2013 season when the left fielder was added Saturday morning with a strained left oblique.

Viciedo sustained the injury on a swing during his eighth-inning at-bat in Toronto on Thursday. He didn't feel any better Friday, so the White Sox gave him time to recover and added outfielder Blake Tekotte from Triple-A Charlotte.

"[White Sox head athletic trainer] Herm [Schneider] has seen it enough that you know it's not going to be a two- or three-day thing," said White Sox manager Robin Ventura of Viciedo. "So we're actually hoping it's just a two-week thing."

"We're going to have to play that one by ear," White Sox general manager Rick Hahn said. "With something like this, it's so easy to re-aggravate it if you don't give it the proper amount of time to heal."

The plan for Viciedo at this point, according to Hahn, is for Viciedo to essentially do nothing for about a week and then slowly start moving into baseball activities. That work will be followed by a Minor League rehab assignment.

"So it may take a little bit longer than the 15 days," Hahn said. "But we'll see how quickly he gets back to normal in these first seven [days] before we decide on that."

read more:   http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130420&content_id=45304872&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130420&content_id=45304872&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)




Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: dazed63 on April 21, 2013, 04:00:57 pm
It wasn't like he was scaring pitchers.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 23, 2013, 07:56:08 am
"Make an impact"?  More like "We're impacted."
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 23, 2013, 10:17:35 am
They're making an impact in a "Titanic hitting the iceberg" kind of way.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 24, 2013, 03:38:56 pm


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Fisk throwing out first pitch Sunday


Among the festivities during the current White Sox home stand is the return of Hall of Famer Carlton Fisk to throw out the ceremonial first pitch, which he's scheduled to do Sunday before the South Siders take on Tampa Bay. Since he had the honor a year ago, the former Sox great has been in the news for some unfortunate reasons, including having been pleading guilty in December to a drunk-driving charge and having thousands of dollars worth of collectible coins stolen from his home in Florida. Sunday ought to be a nicer moment for the man whose statue stands inside U.S. Cellular Field, especially given the 30th anniversary of the Sox's 1983 "Winning Ugly" season, during which Mr. Fisk hit 26 home runs finished third in votes for the AL MVP award. Other highlights from the home stand include weatherman extraordinaire Tom Skilling hosting the fifth annual "Weather Day" at the Cell before today's game, Bears cornerback Tim Jennings throwing out the ceremonial first pitch tomorrow and Illinois Secretary of State Jesse White tossing the first pitch Friday.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130424/BLOGS04/130429904/-1/takes-names (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20130424/BLOGS04/130429904/-1/takes-names)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 24, 2013, 06:04:51 pm
great, just great. Another black eye for this franchise.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 24, 2013, 10:12:17 pm
Fisk throwing out the first pitch??
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 25, 2013, 08:37:40 am
Fisk throwing out the first pitch??

Yes, not a big fan of his anymore, never really was, he is a jerk.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 25, 2013, 09:14:33 am
I liked him, still do, but I admit he's abrasive at times.  He had a conflict with Reinsdorf, but the way the White Sox dumped him in the middle of the 1993 campaign was crappy.  At least let the guy finish out the season.  Plenty of players worse than he was that year have been retained for the whole season.  Karkovice in my mind was just OK and not the team leader that Fisk was.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: boatdrink on April 25, 2013, 12:59:02 pm
Pudge was my idol while growing up in the 80s.  I remember mimicking his batting stance every time we played ball in the neighborhood.  He was the 2nd favorite poster I had displayed in my room - only topped by the bikini-clad Samantha Fox poster near my bed.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on April 25, 2013, 01:01:12 pm
Fisk managed to leave both teams he played with in a huff.  The common denominator wasn't that they both had Sox in their team name.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 25, 2013, 01:26:37 pm
I agree with Love and MSF. Fisk was (and probably still is) an arrogant a$$.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 29, 2013, 01:39:49 pm


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White Sox Press Release

4/28/2013 3:03 P.M. ET

White Sox option Blake Tekotte to Class AAA Charlotte


Following today's game vs. Tampa Bay, the Chicago White Sox optioned outfielder Blake Tekotte to Class AAA Charlotte.

Tekotte, 25, appeared in three games (one start) with the White Sox this season after being recalled from Charlotte on April 20, going 0-2 with a walk.

The White Sox will make a corresponding roster move prior to Tuesday night's game at Texas.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130428&content_id=46038948&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130428&content_id=46038948&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)



 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 30, 2013, 09:53:25 am

The White Sox have acquired Casper Wells from the Athletics in exchange for cash considerations, both teams have announced via press release. In order to clear room on the 40-man roster, the White Sox placed left-hander Leyson Septimo back on the 60-day disabled list.

Wells, 28, has garnered quite a bit of media attention due to the constant fluctuation of his roster status this month. After being designated for assignment by the Mariners at the end of Spring Training, he was claimed off waivers by the Blue Jays ten days later. Following a short stint with Toronto during which he did not appear in a game, he was designated once again, this time being traded to the A's.

Wells' Oakland tenure wasn't much more noteworthy, as he received five plate appearances before being designated for assignment yet again. Casey Pratt of CSN Bay Area tweets that the A's promised Wells they'd try to work something out quickly following his most recent DFA, and they look to have honored that pledge.

Wells is capable of playing all three outfield positions and has posted a strong .264/.349/.489 batting line versus left-handed pitching in his career.  Last season with the Mariners, he hit .228/.302/.396 in 316 plate appearances.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on April 30, 2013, 10:13:08 am
Yes, yes, give us more fodder.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 30, 2013, 12:55:36 pm
I have never been a fan of Casper Wells. He can hit LHs, so will platoon with Wise and/or DeAza, ugh.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 30, 2013, 01:03:53 pm
At some point, the Sox are going to field a lineup where I don't recognize ANYONE in it.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 30, 2013, 01:14:30 pm
Meh. I think he fits right in. One more friendly ghost of a player...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 03, 2013, 01:16:11 pm
Gavin Floyd to have Tommy John surgery tomorrow?

Guess we've seen the last of him in a White Sox uni.      There goes one thing we had available to "sell" at the trading deadline.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2013, 01:56:11 pm


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Surgery an option for Floyd; Danks nears return
Right-hander to get third opinion; southpaw works seven rehab innings


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 5/3/2013 12:36 A.M. ET


ARLINGON -- Gavin Floyd confirmed Thursday night that a muscular tear was found near his right elbow and surgery is one of the options to fix his injury.

According to the White Sox, Floyd has a tear in the flexor muscle and an unstable ulnar collateral ligament. He visited with Dr. Keith Meister on Tuesday in Arlington and will get a third opinion Monday when he visits Dr. David Altchek in New York.

Floyd left Saturday's home game against the Rays with what was diagnosed as a right flexor strain and was placed on the disabled list on Sunday. The right-hander intends to weigh all of his options before making the final decision.

"We'll wait until the last doctor so I can think about it, pray about it and take it from there," said Floyd, following the club's 3-1 victory over the Rangers. "You just look at everything and make the best decision you can.

"There's options of surgery. There's options of rehab. And everything like that," Floyd said. "We just got to weigh the options and see what happens. Go Monday and see what happens."

Earlier Thursday, White Sox general manager Rick Hahn said that the team hoped "to have a treatment plan next week" for Floyd.

This trip to the disabled list marks Floyd's third since early July of last season for issues in the same general area. From July 8-23, 2012, Floyd was out of action with right elbow tendinitis. He then returned to the DL from Aug. 27 to Sept. 12 with the same flexor strain he has been diagnosed with presently.

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Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 06, 2013, 04:38:25 pm


Sounds like Sleepy's White Sox career maybe over as a 14-19 month rehab isn't good for a free agent-to-be pitcher:



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White Sox RHP Floyd needs season-ending surgery

The Associated Press – 1 hour 51 minutes ago


KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Chicago White Sox starter Gavin Floyd needs elbow surgery and will miss the rest of the season.

The team said Monday that Floyd will be out for 14-19 months - also putting next season in jeopardy. The right-hander will have the ulnar collateral ligament and a torn flexor muscle repaired Tuesday in New York.

The 30-year-old Floyd was 0-4 with a 5.18 ERA in five starts for Chicago this season before going on the disabled list April 28 with what was initially diagnosed as a flexor muscle strain.

Floyd is 70-70 with a 4.48 ERA in 10 major-league seasons with the White Sox and Phillies.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-rhp-floyd-needs-190530363--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-rhp-floyd-needs-190530363--mlb.html)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 07, 2013, 09:33:14 am
Given that we've lost Floyd for the year, and Peavy has been gimpy, I would entertain the notion of getting creative and offering a pittance for this guy. Then I'd tell him he just became a pitcher again and get him stretched out in AA.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/astros-designate-rick-ankiel-fernando-martinez-for-assignment.html
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 07, 2013, 02:16:43 pm
Hahn sure likes the scrap heap:


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/white-sox-claim-mike-mcdade.html
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on May 07, 2013, 03:46:57 pm
Ugh.  No one tell me again that Hahn is the same as Kenny.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 08, 2013, 07:55:50 am
Ugh.  No one tell me again that Hahn is the same as Kenny.

Drafted by the Jays in the sixth round in '07, McDade never ranked among the Baseball America's top 30 prospects for the team in any season.

That says it all.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 08, 2013, 07:58:27 am
I wonder what Dan Evans is doing these days??

6-1, 250 lbs they list McCade at, that means he is likely 5-11 and 270 lbs. Jesus H.

Plus, 1B for AAA they have Loman already, plus in AA they have their 2 best young hitters in Wilkins and Black. WTF.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 08, 2013, 11:24:19 am
•Infielder Josh Bell has been released by the White Sox, according to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter).  Bell, 26, was with the club's Triple-A affiliate in Charlotte where he hit .273/.310/.345 in 58 plate appearances this season.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 10, 2013, 06:58:15 pm

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White Sox activate OF Dayan Viciedo from DL

The Associated Press – 3 hours ago


CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox have reinstated outfielder Dayan Viciedo from the 15-day disabled list before their game Friday against the Los Angeles Angels.

In a corresponding move, the White Sox optioned outfielder Jordan Danks to Triple-A Charlotte.

Viciedo was placed on the DL after he strained his left oblique April 18 at Toronto. Viciedo played four games on a rehab assignment at Charlotte. In 13 games for the White Sox, Viciedo is hitting .229 with two homers.

Danks started four games and played in nine for the White Sox, hitting .200.


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-activate-dayan-viciedo-201452733--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-activate-dayan-viciedo-201452733--mlb.html)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on May 13, 2013, 07:25:39 am
 Whoo Hoo.    That ought to help our  defense a lot. <Insert  stupid eye-roll  emoticon  here>
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 15, 2013, 02:00:57 pm
There is parity in the division this year, somewhat.  The Tigers aren't THAT good.  The Sox are, what, only five games under .500?  Yeah, they stink right now, but if Hahn/Williams would make two or three moves, we could still possibly make a run.  It's only May.

Yeah, I know, uncharacteristic optimism... but Detroit is beatable.  Not a really good team there.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 15, 2013, 03:06:16 pm
we could still possibly make a run.

I am not optimistic that we can make a run this year but I'll grant you that as badly as the Sox have played, it's a testament to them that they're only 5 GB and 5 games under .500. They should be 10 games out and 10 under.

but if Hahn/Williams would make two or three moves,

This is Hahn's team now. Not sure why you keep inferring that Williams is interfering with it. It has been stated that the GM decisions will be all Hahn's. I see no reason not to believe it.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 15, 2013, 03:21:03 pm
Robin: What's our record, Coop? 

Coop: Sixteen and twenty-one

Robin: Sixteen... and twenty-one. How'd we ever win sixteen?

Coop: It's a miracle.

Robin: This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 15, 2013, 03:33:30 pm
Quote
This is Hahn's team now. Not sure why you keep inferring that Williams is interfering with it. It has been stated that the GM decisions will be all Hahn's. I see no reason not to believe it.

Williams is not retired.  I'm sure he still has major input/influence on the direction of the team. 

After KW retires and vacates his office in U.S. Cellular Field, then and only then is it Hahn's team, in my opinion.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 15, 2013, 03:35:59 pm
Quote
Robin: This... is a simple game. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball.

Or, in this team's case, you fail to hit the ball and muff those catches.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on May 15, 2013, 03:40:51 pm
Quote
I am not optimistic that we can make a run this year...

I'm not either.  But I guess what I'm saying is that the rest of this so-so division is offering us an opportunity to catch up... if we choose to do so.  I think Sox management is making the decision to "blow it all up" and rebuild from the ground up, though. 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 15, 2013, 04:05:01 pm
If I am not mistaken, the 2013 White Sox have the same record after 38 games as did the 2012 White Sox.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on May 15, 2013, 04:15:35 pm
I think Sox management is making the decision to "blow it all up" and rebuild from the ground up, though.

What makes you think that? That's not a challenge, I truly haven't seen/heard anything to indicate what they're planning to do.

If I am not mistaken, the 2013 White Sox have the same record after 38 games as did the 2012 White Sox.

And, as I just read on the other board, that is with the Tigers being able to beat up on Astros for a bunch of games already, the Sox playing several games by this point against the Tigers last year, and the Sox sustaining several injuries this year and playing just as poorly as they possibly can. There's definitely room for improvement.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 21, 2013, 05:23:42 pm
Danks back Friday to face the Shiity Marlins?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2013, 08:47:36 pm


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Reinsdorf recommends selling White Sox when gone

The Associated Press – 38 minutes ago


CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox confirm a report that chairman Jerry Reinsdorf has recommended a family succession plan that includes selling its interest in the franchise.

The team says in a statement released Tuesday that while he has recommended putting the club up for sale ''once he is no longer with us,'' all plans are ''fluid'' and ''ultimately will depend on timing and other circumstances.'' The White Sox also say he has no plans to sell the team anytime soon.

The 77-year-old Reinsdorf is the chairman of the White Sox and Chicago Bulls. He told the Sports Business Journal that the plan he has recommended to his sons calls for the family relinquishing its stake in the White Sox while maintaining control of the Bulls.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/reinsdorf-recommends-selling-white-sox-000728626--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/reinsdorf-recommends-selling-white-sox-000728626--mlb.html)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2013, 10:08:30 pm


(http://cmsimg.detnews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C3&Date=20130512&Category=SPORTS0104&ArtNo=305120368&Ref=AR&MaxW=640&Border=0&Chris-Sale-pitches-1-hitter-White-Sox-top-Angels)

Sale scratched from Wednesday's start


By Mark Gonzales - Tribune reporter - 7:29 p.m. CDT, May 21, 2013


Chicago White Sox ace Chris Sale was scratched from Wednesday night's start against Boston because of tendinitis in his left pitching shoulder.

The Sox made the announcement in the top of the second inning of Tuesday's game, adding that the decision was made as a precautionary measure. Fellow left-hander Hector Santiago will start in Sale's spot.

The Sox added that Sale is expected to make his next start May 28 against the Cubs at U.S. Cellular Field.

Sale (5-2) has a streak of 23 consecutive scoreless innings. This is the first time he's had an ailment of any form this season. He had a brief bout of tendinitis last May in his first full season as a major league starter and was given extra rest on three occasions to ensure his health.

Sale is seventh in the American League with a 2.53 ERA and has thrown 64 innings. He has limited opponents to a .192 batting average, third lowest in the AL.

Sale was scheduled to face Clay Buchholz (6-0).

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-scratched-20130521,0,258118.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-chris-sale-scratched-20130521,0,258118.story)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 22, 2013, 09:26:04 am
^ It begins, joeconnors.

We don't WANT to be right about this, but those mechanics. . .
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 22, 2013, 09:27:59 am
In other news, what are they going to call the park and will it look much different with different branding? Sprint closes purchase of US Cellular.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-17/business/chi-us-cellular-sprint-deal-closes-20130517_1_kan-based-sprint-sprint-officials-u-s-cellular
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 22, 2013, 09:38:07 am
^ It begins, joeconnors.

We don't WANT to be right about this, but those mechanics. . .

If it were his mechanics, I believe it would be his elbow that would be the problem, not shoulder. I could be wrong.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on May 22, 2013, 10:39:53 am
I have zero knowledge of mechanics and how they relate to how they will effect different parts of the arm, but I'm pretty sure you can get bad shoulders from bad mechanics.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 22, 2013, 10:53:55 am
Oh for sure, but I thought with Sale it was his elbow that would end up being troublesome. No idea truthfully, everyone used to talk how unnatural it was for his elbow.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 22, 2013, 12:49:46 pm
Would rather it have been an elbow... then a shoulder. rough if JD and Sale end up with bum shoulders.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 22, 2013, 02:39:02 pm
Yep, lets hope it is just a little tendonitis, a rotator or torn labrum would likely be the end of him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2013, 03:55:40 pm
In other news, what are they going to call the park and will it look much different with different branding? Sprint closes purchase of US Cellular.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-05-17/business/chi-us-cellular-sprint-deal-closes-20130517_1_kan-based-sprint-sprint-officials-u-s-cellular

Sprint didn't purchase all of U. S. Cellular.  U.S. Cellular sold to Sprint their Midwest operations which was only 10% of their customer base.  U.S. Cellular will continue as a company.  Think of it as similar to many years ago when Jack-In-The-Box decided they didn't want to continue competing in the Chicagoland area and closed their franchises.  The company continued on elsewhere and continues to this day, just not in Chicagoland.  Krispy Kreme is another example of a company that has left the Chicagoland area but still continues in the franchise business in other areas.


How this will affect long term the name rights of 'new Comiskey' is unknown.  I doubt if the contract between U. S. Cellular & the White Sox allows U. S. Cellular to sell or transfer the naming rights to another company.  I'm guessing the White Sox would allow U. S. Cellular out of the contract IF the Sox can find some other company willing to pay more for the naming rights or extend the naming rights for five or more years.  However, I doubt the White Sox have any legal obligation to allow U.S. Cellular out of their contract because they no longer want to compete in the Midwest. 

In fact, at least publicly, U. S. Cellular isn't trying to get out of their naming rights deal with the White Sox:  http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20121107/BLOGS04/121109795/u-s-cellular-sticking-or-stuck-with-white-sox (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20121107/BLOGS04/121109795/u-s-cellular-sticking-or-stuck-with-white-sox)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on May 23, 2013, 10:10:41 am
I say we negotiate naming rights with Wrigley's Chewing Gum. 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 23, 2013, 11:01:45 am
Quote
Sprint didn't purchase all of U. S. Cellular.  U.S. Cellular sold to Sprint their Midwest operations which was only 10% of their customer base.  U.S. Cellular will continue as a company.

Thanks for the clarification on this. Still, it will be odd to have the park named after a product/service which is not available locally. I'm trying to think of any other examples of this, and can't come up with one.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 24, 2013, 06:19:20 pm

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GXM3fqnOzX8/UT4z6qznDjI/AAAAAAAALJA/xSv59frAlZA/s320/WSCBY121DonnieVeal.jpg)   (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/60261/60261-15Fr.jpg)


Donnie Veal back to Triple-A to make room for John Danks:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-reinstate-danks-dl-193911608--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-reinstate-danks-dl-193911608--mlb.html)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 25, 2013, 02:03:41 pm
Top Spring 2013 pickups... #4:

Conor Gillaspie -- The White Sox picked up Gillaspie in exchange for Jeff Soptic, who has a 6.48 ERA in 25 innings at High-A San Jose for the Giants. Gillaspie, on the other hand, has received regular at-bats against right-handed pitching and posted a .276/.341/.422 batting line against them. He's also been terrific defensively according to UZR/150 (+4.4) and The Fielding Bible (+3).
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 31, 2013, 10:11:06 am
The worst thing about the Sox sucking this year is that it means we'll have tons of m a sturbatory discussion over what they should do/might do/bus leaguers/could do/maybe they might/how bout doing this/I'd like to see, etc. That shytt was annoying enough in the off-season, now we have to have it year-round this time.

Can't we just make fun of how bad the current guys suck? That's a lot more fun, but that's just me.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 31, 2013, 10:13:48 am
I'd start with Dunn, but not much more left to be said about him. My biggest disappointment is that I thought we signed him for 3 years and this was it, but now I realize he has 1 more year. Why not just release him and let someone else DH?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on May 31, 2013, 10:17:49 am
I'd start with Dunn, but not much more left to be said about him. My biggest disappointment is that I thought we signed him for 3 years and this was it, but now I realize he has 1 more year. Why not just release him and let someone else DH?

Omar Vizquel is out there.... I'm sure he'd love to DH again.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 31, 2013, 10:35:31 am
I'd start with Dunn, but not much more left to be said about him. My biggest disappointment is that I thought we signed him for 3 years and this was it, but now I realize he has 1 more year. Why not just release him and let someone else DH?

Omar Vizquel is out there.... I'm sure he'd love to DH again.

Omar Vizquel is out there.... I'm sure he'd love to mentor again.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 02, 2013, 09:53:05 pm
I would be more interested watching this team start the rebuild this year, then see what's going on.

JR instructed his heirs to sell the Sox upon his death, and he still has hope.

The rebuild includes JR, KW, and the hawk.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 03, 2013, 02:10:55 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/06/weak-hitting-positions-for-al-contenders.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Position-by-position look at the offense of each AL "Contender."

Just because the AL Central in general is so bad, all AL Central teams were considered "contenders."

The only positions for which the Sox aren't at / near the bottom were shortstop and right field.

That's dire, folks.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on June 03, 2013, 02:38:34 pm
I pretty much knew before the season that they would be bad this year, but I hoped for a miracle... chemistry, mediocre guys having great years all at once, etc.  No such luck.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 03, 2013, 02:51:12 pm
Yeah, I liked the pitching, a lot, but I was worried about the offense, especially after AJ was gone. Twins fans having lots of fun at my expense, wondering how we can play folks like Dunn, Flowers, Viciedo etc... I would rip them but they have actually improved a bit this year and are going younger and they also have one of the top 2 systems for prospect along with StL.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 03, 2013, 03:02:45 pm
I have not seen an offense this putrid since the Sox of the mid-60s, when a .240 avg and 45 RBI was a good year for our hitters. Never thought I would have yearned for players like Al Weis, Ken Berry, Ron Hanson, and old Ken Boyer, an old Tommy Davis. We have 2 position players in Rios and Ramirez who are worth a crap, maybe Beckham will do something, but he sure is not gonna carry this heavy, heavy load.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 03, 2013, 04:57:02 pm
I am very interested in seeing what Mr. Hahn will do.   Time to step up, junior.
 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on June 03, 2013, 06:34:53 pm
I have not seen an offense this putrid since the Sox of the mid-60s

I seem to recall the 1976 team being exceptionally bad.  Though it may not have been the hitting alone, perhaps I remember it being so bad because they had no offense plus no pitching.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on June 03, 2013, 06:38:59 pm
Just looked it up, '76 was the year that they tried to turn Gossage and Forster in starters.  An act that should have launched another revolution....
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 03, 2013, 06:46:10 pm
They totally f'd up on handling Gossage and Forster, I swear I cried when they traded those two for another slug, Richie Zisk. This franchise should be known as the Slithering Slugs, as we have had more slow, fat players than any other franchise I would guess.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on June 03, 2013, 07:09:02 pm
Al Weis, Ken Berry, Ron Hanson, and old Ken Boyer

Those guys had TWTW
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 03, 2013, 07:17:17 pm
That's the ticket Pete, damn good point.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 04, 2013, 09:59:02 am
Even MSF has turned, and done so with a vengence!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 04, 2013, 10:23:35 am
yeah, hated to do it, especially with a vengence, meant to do it with a vengeance.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 04, 2013, 11:04:16 am
Dog house.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 04, 2013, 11:10:12 am
heh, seems like I just got out of the dog house, dang.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 04, 2013, 11:15:55 am
Dunn is untradeable, but otherwise, we have some guys that should have value.
Dodgers are going to be looking for some way to make room for Puig permanently, which means Ethier is on the block.
Still think he'd be a nice pick up for us. De Aza could be a 4th/5th OF for that team, and what do we need Thornton for at this point if we have Santiago in the 'pen?

Thornton, De Aza and Floyd for Ethier and AJ Ellis.

Dodgers fix their "where do we put Puig when Crawford gets back" issue and we shed about 1.5 mil from payroll while adding an OF and C with some hitting ability. They don't have to worry about Floyd until next year, when he probably takes Lilly's spot on the roster.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 04, 2013, 11:43:14 am
Floyd is a FA after this year... why would the Dodgers want a hurt pitcher thats about to hit FA?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 04, 2013, 11:48:40 am
Because his salary disappears next year?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 04, 2013, 11:50:57 am
umm... since when do baseball team's make NBA style trades?

Thorny and De aza for a guy they think is a part of their core...

If wishes were horses...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 04, 2013, 12:15:20 pm
They do not think Ethier is part of their core. Kemp and Puig are the fixtures. They know that can't trade Crawford, so Ethier is the guy they're going to trade.

You've become quite the grump lately. I'll take it sleep is still hard to come by...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 04, 2013, 12:18:14 pm
You've become quite the grump lately.

I'd go with "you mad, bro?". Speak the language of his generation.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on June 04, 2013, 12:29:30 pm
"you mad, bro?".

Change that to "brah" and you nailed it.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 04, 2013, 01:10:19 pm
Because his salary disappears next year?

...then why trade for him at all?

Also, I don't disagree that the Dodgers would part with Ethier, but why would we want him? He's the kind of player we're trying to get rid of, I thought.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 04, 2013, 01:21:10 pm
"you mad, bro?".

Change that to "brah" and you nailed it.

#missinghashtag
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 04, 2013, 01:57:15 pm
not of the hastag generation... i can proudly say i have never sent out a single tweet.

Sleep not the problem... time in general, is hard to come by.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 04, 2013, 02:13:28 pm
I do not want Ethier, yuck.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 04, 2013, 03:51:14 pm
...then why trade for him at all?

Also, I don't disagree that the Dodgers would part with Ethier, but why would we want him? He's the kind of player we're trying to get rid of, I thought.

No, the kind of player we're trying to get rid of is of the AAAA, can't-hit variety. Pretty much anyone in the lineup at this point...

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 04, 2013, 03:53:49 pm
Ethier is batting .236 this year... he would fit right in...

He is also owed 69 million over the next 4 years...

That is the perfect KW move.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 04, 2013, 03:55:22 pm
...then why trade for him at all?

Also, I don't disagree that the Dodgers would part with Ethier, but why would we want him? He's the kind of player we're trying to get rid of, I thought.

No, the kind of player we're trying to get rid of is of the AAAA, can't-hit variety. Pretty much anyone in the lineup at this point...

Have you looked at Ethier's numbers?

If you're willing to take those 2013 numbers and hope he turns it around (for a price of ~$17M / yr), why not let guys like Viciedo try to figure it out for a fraction of that cost?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on June 04, 2013, 04:00:29 pm
Also, I'm guessing Ethier will be available to pick up for free in August (like Rios).
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 05, 2013, 09:13:37 am
Might be, might not be. His cost is 13.5 million. Less than Rios, Dunn and Konerko.

Unlike Dunn and Konerko, he can actually play defense, which is another problem area for this team right now.

I just put it out there as a way to improve the team without adding cost. The trade I proposed dumped a million or so in getting him.
LH bat, still has 4-5 good years left and plays defense. If you folks have better ideas, feel free to propose them. A lot easier to shoot holes at others thoughts than step into the line of fire yourself, methinks.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 05, 2013, 09:15:45 am
Ethier is batting .236 this year... he would fit right in...

He is also owed 69 million over the next 4 years...

That is the perfect KW move.

Rios was a similar pickup. He has had one bad year for us. Where would this offense be without him? 14 mil for his production is actually a tradeable asset. One of the few we have....
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 05, 2013, 09:20:52 am
Ethier's contract goes up to 15 million next year... then up to 18...

I'm all for a full out rebuild... build a nice foundation and get competitive that way.

Unlike teams like indians/twins we've never been shy about trading the prospects away.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 05, 2013, 09:21:04 am
I concur with that.

Connor Gillespie is a bright spot.  Let the kids play. 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 05, 2013, 09:23:42 am
To me, Ethier is not rebuilding, it is replacing and hoping to strike it rich. That is the KW way.

I want a total rebuild. Start trading players for kids, not guys like Ethier (and I follow this guy cause he played in Rochester for a while in the NWL while in college).

That is why I say, release Dunn, move Kong to DH to let him finish his career, move Gillaspie to 1B, and bring Morel up and let him play 3B. I might keep Ramirez and Beckham, but if I was offered enough I would unload them. Guys like DeAza and Floyd are not going to get you anything at all, all other GMs know what they are. Release Wise, release DeAza or get what you can for him. Trade Rios if someone will take his salary. Trade Peavy, Thornton, Crain all for prospects.

Lets do this the correct way, it has been since 1990 or so since we have gone back to bare bones and it is time to do it again.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 05, 2013, 09:47:03 am
Yeap. Cut Dunn lose.

Trade Crain, PK, Rios, Peavy for High A, AA players with high ceilings.

Try and trade sale for a young stud bat... say Puig... if the dodgers are flush in the outfield go get the young stud not the old dude owed 69 million.

It will be rough for a couple years while the big league roster sheds some contracts, but we need that...

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 05, 2013, 09:48:02 am
I don't have a problem with any of that, except playing Morel at 3B and moving Gilllaspie. I still wonder how much we've delayed Beckham's development by moving him around. He seems to just now be starting to look like he might become the hitter we thought he'd be. Why screw with Gillaspie, he's had success.

If we're going with the blow-it-up route, what prospects do you think we're going to get? Nobody we have is going to get you anything top-shelf.

We can go young without selling out. We have absolutely no one to play 1B after Kong,  at this point we could probably get Ike Davis from the Mets as part of a deal for Rios. They are desperate for OF help. He's a guy I would let work his struggles out for the big club.
Doubt we could get them to include Wheeler, but maybe a guy like Wilmer Flores. He's blocked by Wright over there.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 05, 2013, 09:53:19 am
Sale will bring back a couple of top shelf prospects. Young Ace pitcher with a team friendly contract. you can probably get a couple of studs for him.

I think Peavy going to a contender could net us a + prospect.

Baltimore is looking for pitching... maybe they bite on Peavy for Gausman.

Cardinals need BP help.. send Crain to them for Carlos Martinez... he might end up in the bullpen but hes got a good arm.

TB needs a bat. PK for a Alex Torres would work. or if we are willing to eat some salary they would probably take both Rios and PK and they have a bounty of good pitching prospects.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 05, 2013, 10:01:50 am
ISF is correct we do not have a lot worth a lot of prospects, but ****, still go ahead and blow this up. The reason I move Gillaspie to 1B this year is just to see if Morel can do anything at all. Might make him worthwhile trade bait, or even Gillaspie. Gillaspie has played a lot of 1B in the minors so even tho he has no power, I would put him at 1B over Viciedo, for defensive purposes.

I might trade Sale for a proven young outfielder not named Giancarlo.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 05, 2013, 10:06:15 am
Sale is who we're building around.

Peavy is gimpy again, and hasn't looked good last couple times out. He might get us a couple + prospects, but only if he's healthy and pitching well. I could actually see Pittsburgh showing interest if he is. Peavy's contract is short and pretty low for his potential.

Cardinals are too smart to send anything worth while for a BP guy.

Kong will finish as a White Sox methinks.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on June 05, 2013, 10:10:20 am
Yeah, Sale's not going anywhere and not sure how much Konerko would fetch these days anyway.

Rios, Crain, and Reed could bring back some decent prospects.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 05, 2013, 10:17:13 am
I have no problem with releasing Dunn. He is utterly worthless. Just eat the rest of the contract and be done with it.
We have a guy playing 1B at AA...Dan Black...has pretty good splits. Him or Andy Wilkins have both been hitting well.

Dan Black - Drafted in the 14th round in 2009 and not reaching A-ball until he was 23, this switch-hitting 1B has been behind the age curve the past couple seasons, but there is no denying his ability to hit and get on base.  In 2012 at A+ (at age 24/25), Black compiled a .315/.392/.483 line that included 17 home runs, with a reasonable strike out rate.  He'll likely be the starting 1B for Birmingham in 2013 at age 25, trying to prove he can pass the big test of jumping to AA.


Phegley has a .999 OPS at Charlotte...at some point he needs to be given an opportunity.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 05, 2013, 10:31:44 am
I am not going to even get into who we can get for whom. I just want this team overturned and I want our scouts to make good recommendations to Hahn.

I would have to get a proven top notch prospect (someone in the league already) and more for Sale. But if I could get an everyday stud or two for him I might unload him. 2 everyday players, if great prospects, are worth more to us than what Sale will be worth if we really suck. If guys like Joseph are correct and he is an injury just waiting to happen, then it would look great. If he never gets hurt, hey it happens, then we look like we just gave up our next Gossage.

Yet, I lean towards keeping him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 05, 2013, 11:14:52 am
This from a month ago, but reiterates my comments about Rios and the Mets:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/madden-rios-add-sock-mets-lineup-article-1.1339012
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2013, 07:12:07 pm

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Peavy out 4-6 weeks with non-displaced rib fracture
Left-hander Santiago to move back into White Sox rotation


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 6/5/2013 5:51 P.M. ET


SEATTLE -- Jake Peavy's MRI revealed a non-displaced rib fracture on his left side and he will be shut down for four-to-six weeks. The only treatment for him is rest.

X-rays taken at Safeco Field after he left Tuesday's start did not show a fracture, but Peavy had an MRI just two hours before Wednesday's game. White Sox manager Robin Ventura said that Hector Santiago would move back into the rotation to fill Peavy's spot.

"Yeah, again, you get all the tests you can and see what it is and you go from there," Ventura said before the MRI results were known. "It's just one of those until you get that information, the only thing you can really do is kind of line up Hector in that spot."

"They kind of gave me a heads-up when they told me I was going back to the bullpen," Santiago said. "'If a guy could use a spot start, you will be the guy. We won't bring anybody up.' I'm mentally ready for it."

Santiago threw just one-third of an inning and only 12 pitches in relief Tuesday night, admitting that he was somewhat surprised not to be the first guy up when Peavy departed. The pain started for Peavy on Sunday in Oakland, but the veteran added there might have been something there previously that would account, in part, for his similar velocity dip against the Cubs last Thursday at Wrigley that had his fastball topping out at 90 mph.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130605&content_id=49699814&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130605&content_id=49699814&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 06, 2013, 09:36:42 am
Great, another of our very few marginally tradeable guys gets hurt.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on June 06, 2013, 12:56:40 pm
Beachy might be coming of the DL soon and no place in the rotation... would love to acquire him from the braves.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2013, 01:37:44 pm

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-51b0d2f7/turbine/chi-chicago-white-sox-bullpen-20130606-001/580/580x403)

Sox add bullpen depth with Heath, Troncoso

By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 1:06 p.m. CDT, June 6, 2013


Jake Peavy's rib cage fracture Tuesday night and a 16-inning win Wednesday fueled a series of roster moves by the Chicago White Sox prior to Thursday night's game against Oakland.

Peavy, who came out of Tuesday's game after only 2 1/3 innings, was placed on the 15-day disabled list, retroactive to Wednesday.

The Sox promoted Deunte Heath from Triple-A Charlotte and purchased the contract of reliever Ramon Troncoso from the Knights. Heath was 1-0 with a 2.25 ERA in 10 games for Charlotte and made four appearances with the Sox earlier this season.

Troncoso, one of the Sox's final spring training cuts, is 1-1 with a 2.19 ERA in 21 games for Charlotte. He has made 175 major league appearances with the Los Angeles Dodgers (2008-11), posting a 3.92 ERA with six saves.

Reliever Brian Omogrosso, who threw 60 pitches over the past two games, was optioned to Charlotte.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-bullpen-20130606,0,2220154.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-bullpen-20130606,0,2220154.story)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 02, 2013, 02:54:39 pm
Jim Thome is now part of Sox Brass.   Hired as a special assistant or something like that.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2013, 03:06:45 pm
Jim Thome is now part of Sox Brass.   Hired as a special assistant or something like that.

future hitting coach or assistant hitting coach when Jeff Manto ends up being the scapegoat after this season

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 05, 2013, 04:50:42 pm

(http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/wp-content/slideshow/2012/12/top-10-prospects-with-the-chicago-white-sox/medium/Josh-Phegley-Jake-Roth1.jpg)

The Josh Phegley Era begins tonight!

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130704&content_id=52756290&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130704&content_id=52756290&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-josh-phegley-20130704,0,1371945.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-jordan-danks-josh-phegley-20130704,0,1371945.story)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on July 09, 2013, 08:23:33 am
Not a bad article:  http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/08/hoge-why-the-white-sox-need-a-complete-rebuild/#comments
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: whitesox dope on July 10, 2013, 01:55:53 pm
That is a pretty good read. I sorta see it the way he does. I am not sure of how others in the fanbase feel, either way. I hope that org comes out and is straight forward in saying this is what we need to do to stay competitive for a long time.

In addition, I hope they view attendance as a secondary issue.  Relegate all that nonsense of "they have to win now for attendance" to the meathead cesspool of sports talk radio.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on July 10, 2013, 02:07:05 pm
I hope that org comes out and is straight

Heh. That was sounding funny as I was reading it.

In addition, I hope they view attendance as a secondary issue.  Relegate all that nonsense of "they have to win now for attendance" to the meathead cesspool of sports talk radio.

Unfortunately that's a valid concern for the organization. The Sox are not like other ballclubs, even small market ones. When you have an insanely popular team you're competing for fans with (and that team is winning by an very large margin), you have to take attendance into consideration. If attendance falls extremely hard for the years while the team is rebuilding -- and don't forget, no one can predict how long a rebuild can take -- there's no telling when they'll get fans back -- if at all (especially if the cubs become contenders in that time period)! And then the team could certainly be in line for contraction. There's no need for MLB to keep the White Sox if they're only getting 10,000 a game when our city has another team here that most of Chicago prefers anway.

And I know I'm in the minority with this opinion but I still maintain that the Sox do not need to tear everything apart ala the Cubs and rebuild. They already have a few good pieces to build around and with some smart drafts/trades/free agent signings, it doesn't have to be 5 years before we're contending again.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 10, 2013, 03:03:16 pm
Tim, I agree, rip the team up. I would keep Sale, Reed, Quintana, Beckham, and would like to keep Santiago tho many might not agree. The rest can all go, including all prospects except Eric Johnson.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: whitesox dope on July 10, 2013, 03:18:02 pm
Guess what I am trying to say is that I hope they don't feel they can't pull the trigger on something in fear of how it will affect attendance. If it is first and foremost in the best interest of the team then attendance will be there. They can't allow themselves to be held hostage by a group maroons who say they wont go to games unless the sox win. It creates fear off a false reality.

Yes, granted the Sox do not have an "area" to rely on to draw tourists ( wouldn't hurt for the state and city to promote the cell better) but this is where they need to be open and honest with the fans as to what they are trying to do. If they show that they are truely trying to build a strong and deep organization, attendance may drop somewhat until they they are finished. I don't think it will be that bad though. IMV, the reason may left and didn't come back for a while was because they felt betrayed (ie 1997). I don't think it will happen this time. What gets teams in trouble is that they say they are rebuilding but in reality are just cutting payroll.

Interesting you bring up the Cub. I don't think they are rebuilding either. Let me rephrase that, the Ricketts are not rebuilding. Word on the street is the old man is not happy. He is all about pure profit and doesn't like the fact they are this leveraged. He also likes to have a quicker return on his money than he is seeing. Thus they are building up the farm system, decreasing liabilities (payroll) and improving the one asset they do have all to make the team more attractive to sell and making a huge profit. It will be probably be a new tv show on A&E called "Flip this Team".

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on July 10, 2013, 03:43:33 pm
Thus they are building up the farm system, decreasing liabilities (payroll) and improving the one asset they do have all to make the team more attractive to sell and making a huge profit.

Hmm, haven't heard that rumor before. Might explain why they're doing things this way. I was just discussing the cubs "rebuilding" with a co-worker today (who is all pro-cubs and everything they do is right). Imo, they have a pretty good starting rotation right now which is why they should re-sign Garza instead of trading him. Garza-Smardz-Wood is a pretty good start to a team's rotation. Their offense isn't great but it's not White Sox bad and -- like the Sox -- it could get a whole lot better very quickly with a few smart trades or free agents. At least the Cubs, unlike the Sox, have the resources to take on extra payroll and that team could be contending as soon as next year.

But if they trade Garza, Wood and many others...forget it. They're trading for prospects they hope will perform what those guys are already giving them. And chances are, they won't get it (especially since as of now they have no pitching prospects in the pipeline and they won't be competing for anything without pitching).
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 10, 2013, 03:58:49 pm
Let Hahn go and hire Billy Beane away from the A's. Heh
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 10, 2013, 04:57:33 pm
Let Hahn go and hire Billy Beane away from the A's. Heh

Why?  Bily Beane is the most overrated self-promoter in all of baseball.  This so-called "genius" has not produced one World Series team, let alone a World Series winner in the 15 seasons he's run the Oakland team.  And I don't want to hear how he doesn't have the $$$$ to compete with the Tigers, Yankees, Angels and Red Sox as he turned down the chance to run the Red Sox before they gave the job to Theo Epstein.   He's at best, a big fish in a little pond that's afraid to compete at the next level.  If the White Sox want to shake things up, they should go get Andrew Friedman away from Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 10, 2013, 06:39:21 pm
But Billy Beane wrote "Moneyball".

I love saying that and never getting corrected by you morans.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 11, 2013, 01:03:01 pm
One of the problems is, and seems to have always been in the KW era, that the org doesn't have a plan.  Dodgers, Cards, Twins, Skanks, et.al., have all at some time in the past implemented a system in which players were drafted and developed within a framework of skills and have experienced sustained success because of it.  The Sox for the past 15 years, maybe with the exception of Guillen's first couple of years, have focused more on catching lightning in a bottle.

JMHO.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 11, 2013, 01:21:13 pm
Agreed, and for the most part that has meant to try to stay out of the money game. Not that we have not spent, but to me not on the right thing. We should have been spending more money in the draft and internationally and less on patching with Free Agents.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 16, 2013, 11:46:04 pm


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Sox's Wise suffers setback in rehab

By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 8:04 p.m. CDT, July 16, 2013


Outfielder Dewayne Wise won’t be rejoining the White Sox soon.

Wise suffered a right hamstring strain during his second minor league rehabilitation stint at Triple-A Charlotte and has returned to the Sox until he can be healthy enough to start another assignment.

Wise hasn’t played for the Sox since May 29 because of the hamstring injury. He started a minor league rehab assignment at Charlotte two weeks later but was shut down on June 17 because of an oblique strain.

Wise returned to the Sox to heal before starting another rehab assignment at Charlotte, only to suffer the hamstring strain July 10. He was 2-for-17 in his last rehab stint.

Wise, 35, is batting .234 in 30 games with the Sox.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-chicago-white-sox-dewayne-wise-right-hamstring-20130716,0,1857506.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-chicago-white-sox-dewayne-wise-right-hamstring-20130716,0,1857506.story)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on July 17, 2013, 11:50:46 am
This team is on pace to lose 97 games.  I am more than disgusted.  I am emotionally disinvesting in the Sox at this point. 

I agree with SoxRule that the Sox org cannot afford a complete rebuild in terms of retaining the fan base.  Keep the key pieces, acquire All-Star level talent, and shore up the farm system.  It's possible the Sox could legitimately contend again by 2017.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 17, 2013, 12:37:02 pm
I am not watching games... but i am a bit excited about the up-coming rebuild...

Been a long time since we've had discussions of the 4 horsemen waiting to take over the rotation... hah.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on July 17, 2013, 07:16:52 pm
I agree with SoxRule that the Sox org cannot afford a complete rebuild in terms of retaining the fan base

Not sure I agree with this.  The basic fan base (ie die hard fans who will always be White sox fans) stays the same. Sox fans who are parents will still raise their kids to be Sox fans.  Of course being Sox fans they won't support the team financially as much while they are losing because sox fans don't spend $$ on a crappy product. But being sox fans they'll follow the team from a distance but be back when they start winning again.   The band wagoners will disappear of course but they will reappear when they start winning again cause that's what band wagoners do.  So the key to a rebuild to me is paring salaries to a reasonable level while you rebuild so you're not running in the red.  And the rebuild has to be successful (ie, give us a 1990ish team with exciting young players who play hungry) and can't take more than 4 years.

The wildcard in this is if Reinsdorf dies and the family sells to someone who wants a quick return on investment.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 17, 2013, 08:31:24 pm
This team is on pace to lose 97 games.  I am more than disgusted.  I am emotionally disinvesting in the Sox at this point. 

I agree with SoxRule that the Sox org cannot afford a complete rebuild in terms of retaining the fan base.  Keep the key pieces, acquire All-Star level talent, and shore up the farm system.  It's possible the Sox could legitimately contend again by 2017.

Cripes Fury, I think we could rip the team up and be contending by 2017 if we did it right.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 18, 2013, 11:13:37 am
We just need hitting.

Our pitching looks good. Sale, Santiago, Quintana. We have Erik Johnson in minors looking like a keeper.
Relief pitching we have depth as well.

What we need are a couple young hitters to build the lineup around. We should be able to do that trading Peavy, Crain and Rios. The Rangers want Rios and they'll part with Olt. The Pirates want Rios and they have Blanco and Hanson. Alexei Ramirez could bring us something as well.

Red Sox want Crain if he's healthy. They have a deep system too. We should be able to get plenty of solid young additions to the lineup this year. See who pans out next year and build around the nucleus.

2 1/2 years, tops.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on July 18, 2013, 11:25:31 am
ISF, I think you and I are the only ones who feel a gut rebuild is not necessary and that this team can be competitive relatively quickly with a few good trades/signings.

Luckily, it appears management agrees with us so far as it doesn't appear they're going to completely rip the team apart.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 18, 2013, 12:12:06 pm
I do not think it would be wise to break up Alexi and Beckham?  Why?  Steal from the areas.  Like that OF.  How in the world did we end up with a guy in LF with no glove.  Did we win with Carlos Lee out there no.  Why oh why does this team do this.  Ugh.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 18, 2013, 06:14:14 pm
Please dont compare Dayan to Carlos... Lee could could actually contribute to the team with his bat...

Dayan is hacking away at the plate and in the field.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 19, 2013, 07:13:19 am
We just need hitting.

Our pitching looks good. Sale, Santiago, Quintana. We have Erik Johnson in minors looking like a keeper.
Relief pitching we have depth as well.

What we need are a couple young hitters to build the lineup around. We should be able to do that trading Peavy, Crain and Rios. The Rangers want Rios and they'll part with Olt. The Pirates want Rios and they have Blanco and Hanson. Alexei Ramirez could bring us something as well.

Red Sox want Crain if he's healthy. They have a deep system too. We should be able to get plenty of solid young additions to the lineup this year. See who pans out next year and build around the nucleus.

2 1/2 years, tops.

Agreed, in all my posts of ripping it up, I always mention I like our pitching and would keep at least 1/2 of our current staff. Hitting is where we are worlds behind other teams and it is not even close.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 21, 2013, 09:53:53 am
"Q, it's like one of those, once he gets past that first inning, for one reason or another, he gets in a little trouble in the first and then after that he gets stronger," White Sox manager Robin Ventura said of Quintana after he took the no-decision in Chicago's 4-3 extra-innings loss to the Phillies last Sunday.

Who was it that used to have a similar problem, runs in the first, lights out after? Was it Melido Perez in the early 90s?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on July 22, 2013, 07:33:50 am
I'd say Danny Wright, but I don't think he ever made it out of the first.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 22, 2013, 08:36:51 am
I'd say Danny Wright, but I don't think he ever made it out of the first.

heh, yeah, damn we had a lot of promising arms then.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on July 22, 2013, 10:39:44 am
I'd say Danny Wright, but I don't think he ever made it out of the first.

heh, yeah, damn we had a lot of promising arms then.

I still blame Nardi Contreras for our pitching woes back then
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 22, 2013, 10:49:40 am
He or the clock?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 22, 2013, 11:55:44 am
Who was it that used to have a similar problem, runs in the first, lights out after?

Not sure, but there's a long list of Sox pitchers who fit the opposite MO.  Possibly the entire 1976 rotation.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 22, 2013, 12:14:03 pm
Pretty sure it was Melido Perez, when we gave up on him and sent him to Yankees, I expected him to really get good. Never happened.

Traded Floyd Bannister to Royals for Melido, Greg Hibbard, John Davis (setup for a bit) and some minor leaguer named Chuck Mount. Pretty good trade. Perez and Hibbard won a few games for us before we traded them.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 23, 2013, 09:21:29 pm
Melido Perez; the first inning was his nemesis
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 24, 2013, 08:20:08 am
Thank you ole black one
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 25, 2013, 09:20:44 am
In 2012, the White Sox committed 70 errors and allowed 30 unearned runs. During the current campaign, they have committed 68 errors and given up 48 unearned runs.

Wow, and I was led to believe that Keppinger would be better defensively than Youk, and Flowers better on D than AJP (what a lie that was). I thought Viciedo had improved last year. What a joke, everyone got worse.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on July 25, 2013, 09:49:33 am
What a joke, everyone got worse.

It's simply mind-boggling how bad the defense got this year.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 25, 2013, 10:29:21 am
I hate watching such a sloppy team.  It's terrible.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 25, 2013, 01:27:31 pm
I truly thought we had pitching and defense. Pitching has held its own despite injuries. No excuse for the D. We all knew the offense might stink, but not this badly.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 25, 2013, 03:49:07 pm
The White Sox pitching staff ranked among the American League leaders in home opponents' batting average (.240, third), slugging percentage (.374, third), OPS (.678, third), ERA (3.72, fourth) and WHIP (1.24, fourth)

Yep, pitching seems to be holding up its end of things.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 26, 2013, 01:55:15 pm
Anyone else get a  survey emailed from the White Sox?

First question:

From a fan’s perspective, what things would you like us to keep in mind as we go through the changes needed to improve the team?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 26, 2013, 01:55:40 pm
"get better players"
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 26, 2013, 01:59:01 pm
Spend on draft and international players to the max. Build up the farm system to use for future players and trade purposes, to get what we did not draft well. Be patient, do it correctly, and you can have a solid franchise forever.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 26, 2013, 02:04:53 pm
Next Page:

What has disappointed you the most about this White Sox season?

The losing.  The defense.   The awful 1983 uniforms.



What excites you the most about the White Sox going forward this year and in seasons to come?

Seeing what Hahn can do at the trade deadline.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 26, 2013, 02:06:14 pm
That was it.  only those 3 questions.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 26, 2013, 02:09:49 pm
Wish I got one.   
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on July 26, 2013, 02:16:41 pm
I filled out the survey too.  I tried to provide constructive answers and not let my disappointment and anger cloud my responses.

Of course I mentioned the '83 unis too.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 26, 2013, 04:10:57 pm
I filled out the survey too.  I tried to provide constructive answers and not let my disappointment and anger cloud my responses.

Of course I mentioned the '83 unis too.

You had to mention the uniforms didn't ya? Now they toss all your other thoughts because they think you are just a flaming style concsious fan.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 26, 2013, 09:46:37 pm
From a fan’s perspective, what things would you like us to keep in mind as we go through the changes needed to improve the team?

Get a friggin' organizational plan.  Decide how you want the MLB team to compete and then draft and develop players to that plan.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on July 27, 2013, 11:23:01 am
Quote
...just a flaming style concsious fan.

Well, that's all I am.  With emphasis on flaming.

No, I actually gave them pretty detailed suggestions too.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 27, 2013, 11:43:22 am
Cool, they just need input, I have no idea why some of this stuff is so tough to figure out. Like 4n says, establish a plan for what you want to do and execute it. Don't just wing it year to year and hope you get lucky.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on July 28, 2013, 06:15:36 pm
Sox now only 6 games out!

Of the #1 draft pick for 2014, I mean.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 30, 2013, 03:59:58 pm

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White Sox recall RHP Andre Rienzo from Class AAA Charlotte; Option OF Blake Tekotte to Charlotte

CLEVELAND - Prior to tonight's game at Cleveland, the Chicago White Sox recalled right-handed pitcher Andre Rienzo from Class AAA Charlotte and optioned outfielder Blake Tekotte to Charlotte.

Rienzo, 25, is scheduled to make his major-league debut tonight at Progressive Field in place of right-hander Jake Peavy, who was scratched from his scheduled start and pushed back to tomorrow night.

The 6-foot-3, 190-pounder is 8-6 with a 4.06 ERA (51 ER/113.0 IP), three complete games, one shutout and 113 strikeouts over 20 starts with Charlotte. Rienzo has gone 3-2 with a 1.47 ERA (7 ER/43.0 IP) and 42 strikeouts in his last six starts (five quality starts). He played for the World Team at the 2013 All-Star Futures Game at Citi Field (1.0 scoreless IP).

Rienzo leads the International League in strikeouts, is tied for the league lead in complete games and is tied for second in strikeouts-per-9.0 IP (9.00).

The right-hander threw a no hitter (7.0 IP) on July 25 vs. Indianapolis and recorded a career-high 11 strikeouts.

Rienzo, a native of Sao Paulo, Brazil, would become the second Brazilian, and first pitcher, to play in the major leagues. Cleveland's Yan Gomes was the first native of Brazil to appear in a major-league game in 2012 with Toronto. Rienzo played for Team Brazil in the 2013 World Baseball Classic.

He entered the season rated by Baseball America as the No. 7 Prospect in the White Sox organization. Rienzo, who will wear uniform No. 64, was originally signed by Chicago as a free agent on November 17, 2011.

Rienzo is 37-26 with a 3.46 ERA (209 ER/543.2 IP), seven complete games, four shutouts and 584 strikeouts in 111 games (97 starts) over seven seasons in the White Sox minor-league system.

Tekotte, 26, has appeared in 16 games (five starts) with the White Sox this season, going 5-20 (.250) with three runs scored.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130730&content_id=55255526&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130730&content_id=55255526&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on July 31, 2013, 12:18:32 pm
The Sox are currently a half a game behind Miami, and 5.5 games behind Houston for the #1 pick.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 01, 2013, 08:10:01 pm
Only 4 games up / back of Houston.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 02, 2013, 01:50:43 pm
NOW is when we need them to pull a 1919. Where's Chick Gandil when you need him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 02, 2013, 02:05:59 pm
no kidding
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 04, 2013, 09:19:28 pm
Noticed on the postgame show how Melton and Thomas seem to be getting frustrated over how this team is being handled (by Ventura, without saying so) The mentioned how placid the team is, no dynamic personalities, just going through the motions.

The team exemplifies their manager

no worries, be patient, hey, what else can we do

Robin is not the guy to rebuild around.

Sooner or later you have to show some fire, this is ridiculous
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 05, 2013, 08:11:58 am
and we thought Jerry Manual was laid back.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 05, 2013, 08:21:37 am
Fun fact:

This is the first time in Sox history that they've been swept on a 7+-game road trip.

Congratulations!!!!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 05, 2013, 10:16:33 am
Robin is under contract for one more season and even if the org is dumb enough to extend another contract extension offer (which they are), I have a feeling Robin will decline and will walk away on his own.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 05, 2013, 11:28:28 am
I'm getting this unnerving feeling that, as their reward for fielding this lackluster team, the Sox will earn the #2 draft pick for 2014 -- and they will use it to land Sam Bowie.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 05, 2013, 12:58:28 pm
If anyone is dumb enough to claim either Dunn or Rios when they are put through waivers (I'm looking at you, Texas), I say let them have them for free.    I don't need Hahn to work out a trade, just get rid of them and their salaries.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 05, 2013, 01:13:33 pm
I'd still like to get at least one live arm in return. The way the CBA is set up now, it's harder to just spend you way into having a good farm system... it'll take time.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 05, 2013, 01:39:20 pm
I'd still like to get at least one live arm in return. The way the CBA is set up now, it's harder to just spend you way into having a good farm system... it'll take time.

This is an important note, just cannot go hog wild and overspend at draft or internationally any longer.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 05, 2013, 02:26:01 pm
I know, but I'm pretty sure the $$$ limits do not apply to Cuban defectors (they are free agents) and to posting for the rights to get Japanese players.

Hey, I'd love to get something for them, but I seriously doubt that is going to happen.   
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 05, 2013, 02:33:58 pm
I'd rather spend $$$ on proven FA players than on Cuban defects (really iffy, IMO) or Japanese players (iffy... see: Fukudome, Kosuke). At least we'd be overpaying for what we've seen against real competition.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 05, 2013, 02:38:41 pm
This is an important note, just cannot go hog wild and overspend at draft or internationally any longer.

And that makes Mr. Epstein very sad.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 05, 2013, 03:31:21 pm
Draft lots of pitching, trade off prospects for hitters. Pick up some Caribbean players.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 05, 2013, 04:23:17 pm
Cuban defectors

Clever way to sneak in a plug for your Public Image Limited cover band, Blackie...
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 05, 2013, 04:30:45 pm
This is an important note, just cannot go hog wild and overspend at draft or internationally any longer.

And that makes Mr. Epstein very sad.

Not true. Epstein already found a loophole in the new system.  You can vastly overspend for international players.  Just can't do it every year but you can now do it every other year.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 05, 2013, 07:14:10 pm
While I would rather see Rios, Dunn, and Ramirez and their salaries go, I admire the way Dunn has come back from the depths he was at. Hitting nearly .300 with lots of power for 50+ games is impressive. Where did l the rest of our power go?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 05, 2013, 07:42:31 pm
While I would rather see Rios, Dunn, and Ramirez and their salaries go, I admire the way Dunn has come back from the depths he was at. Hitting nearly .300 with lots of power for 50+ games is impressive. Where did l the rest of our power go?

Well, Konerko has been mediocre-to-horse$hit for a full year now:

        Split             G     GS     PA     AB     R     H    2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO     BA    OBP   SLG    OPS     


Last 365 days     125   125   516   467   45   114   15     0     17     58     0     0    43    76   .244   .310   .385    .696
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 05, 2013, 09:09:04 pm
Cuban defectors

Clever way to sneak in a plug for your Public Image Limited cover band, Blackie...

Heh.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 06, 2013, 07:40:01 am
What MSF said, though in the early rounds, if there's a "sure fire" hitter (not a "toolsy" guy - I'm talking about a "close to ML-ready with a pretty high ceiling" guy that our system couldn't possibly F up) in the early rounds, I take him. We do a good job of developing pitchers - draft to your strength for sure, but if there's a chance to get a really good position player in the early rounds (again - not a Jared Mitchell), I say take him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 06, 2013, 11:28:22 am
I would agree, but maybe not this org. We may have missed on the past 5 OFs we had high hopes on. We get hitters from other orgs and they seem to digress (except for this Jacobs kid we got for Thornton, he has done very well).

Beckham has come around and looks decent with the bat however. So their is some hope. But we do know pitching.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 07, 2013, 09:35:55 am
Good article:

Bernstein: A Reason for Optimism


Take your eyes away from the flaming garbage that is the White sox at the moment, if you have yet to do so.

Ignore the defensive buffoonery, the maddening struggle to reach base, and the brain-dead behavior once somebody actually, astonishingly gets there, only to be picked off or thrown out. Don’t think about the stalled development of young players, either. And take a deep breath.

Something good is happening, and it’s visible in the hard numbers.


http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/08/07/bernstein-a-reason-for-white-sox-optimism/
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on August 07, 2013, 10:47:34 am
There is only one FA that interests me for next year and his name is Brian McCann.

Sign him and let him DH/C with Phegley.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 08, 2013, 12:58:57 pm
They are reporting on the local sports yakker that Alex Rios has been claimed on waivers (team unknown).


Please please please please just let him go.... 

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on August 08, 2013, 01:05:33 pm
No harm to us, that's how we got him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 08, 2013, 01:09:13 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/phillies-claim-casper-wells-off-waivers.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Casper Wells to the Phillies.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 08, 2013, 02:48:37 pm
I doubt Hahn will let Rios go for nothing. After all that talk he did about demanding prospects for him around the trade deadline, to turn around and just give him away now would make him look like a fool and other GM's will just call his bluff in the future.

Besides, if a deal can't be worked out now he can always trade Rios during the offseason. Hahn has said he's not under any orders to shed salary so they're not looking for a straight salary dump....they want prospects to reload.

But I guess we'll see how much of that was true or not in the 2 days.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 08, 2013, 03:00:10 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/unknown-team-claims-alex-rios-on-waivers.html

This says the Rangers claimed him.

I don't buy the assumption that "he can always be traded in the off-season" -- guessing that if that is the case, the Sox will have to eat significant money.     Certainly try to get something via this claim, but I am all in on payroll flexibility over eating money  to get some schmoe prospect.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 08, 2013, 03:02:58 pm
A:  Casper Wells to the Phillies (in a waiver claim).

Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 08, 2013, 03:24:26 pm
But Texas is desperate for a bat now after the Cruz suspension and that puts the Sox in the driver's seat on this. Don't just let them off the hook for not being able to work out a deal earlier.

If the Sox can't trade Rios in the offseason there's always next year's trade deadline. Sure, he'd be in the last year of his contract but that didn't stop the Cubs from getting decent value for Garza.

I think Hahn needs to prove himself to the rest of the baseball world and stand his ground on this. If not and he lets Rios go for nothing for the financial flexibility, well that's okay with me too.  ;D
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on August 08, 2013, 03:24:53 pm
A:  Casper Wells to the Phillies (in a waiver claim).

Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?


Yeah, pretty much.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 08, 2013, 03:56:47 pm
Look at what Rios makes and his production just this year, and compare it the other available right field options the Rangers can find at the same productivity and same price or less. I'm guessing we get them to pay his full salary (because he is worth it), and a decent prospect as well, or else we pull him back off of waivers tomorrow.

Former GM Jim Bowdon on ESPN insider says Rios is worth his pay plus a coupe of prospects because he can be controlled a few year.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 08, 2013, 03:59:37 pm
A:  Casper Wells to the Phillies (in a waiver claim).

Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?

Yeah, pretty much.


He robbed someone of a game winning home run to clinch a Sox win last month.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 08, 2013, 04:04:17 pm
I'd rather not risk injury or another sucky Rios year to try to get more next year... Take that $13 million + whatever he's owed for the rest of the year and invest in scouting and Latin America.   Make the pay off be a better draft next year.

That said, one has to assume that the Rangers are willing to take on the salary or else they wouldn't have claimed him, so I would expect they're willing to give up a couple low-tier prospects for him.

Ken Rosenthal is on WSCR in a minute; if he says anything of note, I'll post it.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 08, 2013, 04:10:55 pm
KR:

White Sox want something for Rios.   Rangers more motivated to get him now (as opposed to at the deadline) because they lost Cruz & Murphy.

If they take him, the Rangers would be assuming $19 million for this year, next year, and the 2015 buy out.   When you take on that money, you don't give up much.

White Sox dilemma:  can they do better in the off-season?   There's more suitors, but then again, they did at the deadline and there were no takers.  (BlackSox adds: and is that additional gain worth the $4 million he's owed the rest of the year?)

White Sox position: he's better than guys like Swisher (who have bigger deals), so they believe he has value.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 08, 2013, 04:25:02 pm
What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?

Retarted puns and plays on words with his first name.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on August 08, 2013, 04:49:39 pm
I would agree with Blackie, except that Rangers are in a pickle.

Demand Brett Nicholas, even if we have to cough up the extra money Rios will be owed if he's traded.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 08, 2013, 04:59:24 pm
Thought I read somewhere the Rangers were about 5 deep in SS prospects. Take the 4th or 5th best one, they still gotta be better than our SS prospects. Plus, with Profar and the kid who starts in the majors, there are 2 real good ones in front of these lower ranked guys.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 08, 2013, 05:10:27 pm
Casper Wells

Why all the fuss about some water holes in eastern Wyoming?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 08, 2013, 07:21:45 pm
msf

You don't consider Tim Anderson a decent prospect?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 08, 2013, 07:28:25 pm
4nek8 wins the internets for the day. So sayeth I.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 08, 2013, 07:32:12 pm
msf

You don't consider Tim Anderson a decent prospect?

Yes, but you need more than one at a position. I like Marcus Semien in our system the best, but he will be 2B or 3B, he may be ready next year. He is a good one. Anderson will end up in the OF or somewhere other than SS is my guess, but I like him quite a bit as a hitter. Maybe he will make it. Did not intend to diss him.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 08, 2013, 07:33:29 pm
4nek8 wins the internets for the day. So sayeth I.

I agree
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on August 08, 2013, 08:58:22 pm
4nek8 wins the internets for the day.

Awesome!  That's twice in 11 years that I've taken home Jeter trophy.  Trending upward!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 08, 2013, 09:52:01 pm
4nek8 wins the internets for the day.

Awesome!  That's twice in 11 years that I've taken home Jeter trophy.  Trending upward!

Even the blind squirrel blah, blah, blah
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on August 09, 2013, 09:17:37 am
Q: What is the only thing you remember about Casper Wells' stint with the White Sox?

Reading a text message regarding Casper Wells hitting an rbi producing double and thinking "Who is Casper Wells?"  That's actually about me, and not Casper, but that is exactly how life should be!  Are you listening MSF?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 09, 2013, 09:52:36 am
huh?
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on August 09, 2013, 10:04:03 am
It's all about me.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on August 09, 2013, 12:16:01 pm
oh, yeah, I knew that. heh. But it should be!!
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 09, 2013, 07:55:15 pm
I have to criticize Rick Hahn for not having Avisail Garcia on the 1st plane scheduled out of Charlotte to Chicago this morning.  SWA Flight 691 was nonstop leaving  Charlotte at 6:50am and arriving at Midway at 7:45am.  They didn't have to officially 'call him up' before the Rios deal came to a finale but there's no good excuse for not having Garcia in Chicago before the waiver wire claim deadline expired.  Especially with a double header scheduled today and a day-to-day Viciedo on the roster. 

At the very worst, Avisail Garcia would have missed one minor league game instead of now missing two games starting in the lineup at the Cell. Pretty bad when you're forced to start both Jordan Danks and Blake Tekotte in both games of a doubleheader.  Got to think ahead or are they hoping to lose for a better pick? :)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 09:01:02 pm
Pretty sure Sox Brass could afford to rent a private jet for a one-way trip; after all, they trimmed $18 million from the budget earlier today.

Heck, Reinsdorf probably owns one.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on August 13, 2013, 11:23:54 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/al-notes-hanson-ellsbury-reynolds-konerko.html

Scott Gregor surmises that this is Konerko's last year.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 13, 2013, 03:54:48 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/al-notes-hanson-ellsbury-reynolds-konerko.html

Scott Gregor surmises that this is Konerko's last year.

I hope that's true.  He's been disappointing, to put it nicely, for over a year now.  Over the last 365 days, Paulie's .247/.314/.386

Use the money saved to go after Abreu from Cuba.


From Paul Konerko to Jose Abreu? 
http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/8/13/4616614/jose-abreu-white-sox-rumors-paul-konerko (http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/8/13/4616614/jose-abreu-white-sox-rumors-paul-konerko)

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 27, 2013, 11:28:40 am
Pretty sure I like Mark Parent:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130826&content_id=58505680&notebook_id=58514114&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 10, 2013, 12:41:17 pm
Sox going to Denver in April...

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/s720x720/1175305_10152239709138298_253616935_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on September 10, 2013, 10:46:38 pm
Last time they were here (2011) I went to all three games; not sure I'll be so eager to shell out the cash next year.

Nothing more painful than watchin' The Beloved lose in person.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on September 11, 2013, 11:56:57 am
Last time they were here for a regular season game was 2003.  F'ing ridiculous, I think they've played in Pittsburgh three times since that.  I don't know if they're skipping Atlanta just because they played their spring training finale here for a couple of years.  If that's the justification for no road trip to Atlanta for a dozen years, then really f'ing ridiculous.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on September 11, 2013, 05:59:08 pm
They were here (Denver) in 2005 too.  I went in 2011 and watched Buehrle, I will probably go to one game.

Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 11, 2013, 07:25:16 pm
This is probably more an "Around Baseball" topic, but why in hell is Pittsburgh playing Texas in mid-September?

aka Loveland, sound off. 
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 11, 2013, 11:10:59 pm
Answer #1:  15 and 15 (instead of 14 and 16) = interleague (almost) every day.   

Answer #2:  Elvis needs boats.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 14, 2013, 02:05:44 pm
Answer #2

And there you go. Question answered.
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on September 30, 2013, 12:25:29 pm
Dale Sveum for hitting coach!   :-)
Title: Re: 2013 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on October 04, 2013, 05:20:46 pm
Making room on the 40-man roster, and clearing out some dead weight:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-white-sox-outright-ramon-troncoso-20131004,0,2052342.story
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 25, 2013, 05:26:44 pm

(http://www.csnchicago.com/sites/csnchicago/files/styles/home_cp_top_wide/public/todd-steverson-white-sox-hitting-coach-slide.png)

White Sox to tab Steverson as hitting coach
Former big leaguer spent past two years as A's Minor League hitting coordinator


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 10/25/2013 9:38 A.M. ET


CHICAGO -- The White Sox will name Todd Steverson as their new hitting coach after the conclusion of the World Series, a Major League source confirmed on Friday. The White Sox declined comment on the impending hire.

Steverson, who turns 42 on Nov. 15, previously served as Oakland's first-base coach and was a manager and hitting coach in their farm system. The past two seasons, he has served as Oakland's Minor League hitting coordinator. Steverson replaces Jeff Manto, who was relieved of his duties by the White Sox at the end of the 2013 season following two seasons as hitting coach.

In a past interview with the Modesto Bee, Steverson talked about his aggressive philosophy for hitters at the plate.

"You don't want passive hitters. You want people that do know the strike zone and are able to put a good swing on a ball in the strike zone. That's still the philosophy, to swing at strikes," Steverson said. "There's a difference between being on the offense and being on the defense when you are in the box.

"I want all my hitters to be on the offense when they stand in there. And that includes when you get your pitch -- when you get the ball across the plate as a strike -- give it what you got. You don't want to leave home plate saying, 'I could have, should have, would have' or whatever like that. You only get four [at-bats] a day, or how many you get in a week or a month, so you have to go out there and give it all you got every time. Under-control aggression is a good way to put it."

read more:   http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-to-tab-todd-steverson-as-hitting-coach?ymd=20131025&content_id=63343804&vkey=news_mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-to-tab-todd-steverson-as-hitting-coach?ymd=20131025&content_id=63343804&vkey=news_mlb)


also:  http://swinginas.com/2013/10/25/todd-steverson-joins-chicago-white-sox-hitting-coach/ (http://swinginas.com/2013/10/25/todd-steverson-joins-chicago-white-sox-hitting-coach/)


Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on October 26, 2013, 06:24:39 pm
I like that hire. a lot.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on October 26, 2013, 09:00:31 pm
I like his philosophy.  And, it is such an un-Kenny move.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on October 29, 2013, 01:45:24 pm
Abreu will wear #79.  Contract details, Hahn thoughts here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-introduce-jose-abreu-20131029,0,840255.story
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 29, 2013, 01:54:43 pm

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/JAbreuSigning_zps8e282bc8.jpg)

White Sox introduce slugger Abreu to Chicago
Twenty-six-year-old first baseman signs six-year, $68 million deal


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 10/29/2013 12:24 P.M. ET


CHICAGO -- The White Sox announced the signing of first baseman Jose Abreu to a six-year, $68 million deal and introduced the Cuban slugger during a news conference Tuesday at U.S. Cellular Field.

Abreu will receive a $10 million signing bonus and be paid $7 million in 2014 and 2015, $10 million in 2016, $10.5 million in 2017, $11.5 million in 2018 and $12 million in 2019.

Abreu, 26, stood at the center of general manager Rick Hahn's plan for reshaping a White Sox team that lost 99 games in 2013. Chicago is not writing off the 2014 season as part of this reshaping, but the club is also not looking for a quick fix over a year or two, not by trade and certainly not by domestic free agency.

"This is a good day today," Hahn said. "As we talked about, as we went through the difficulties of last season, we undertook some moves to provide us with some flexibility to give us the opportunity to make some impact signings.

"When Jose became available toward the end of the summer, it became clear that he was a very high-priority target for us."

Abreu played nine seasons for Cienfuegos in Serie Nacional (Cuban National Series), Cuba's top-level league. The 6-foot-3, 255-pound right-handed hitter made his debut with the team in 2004 at age 17.

Including postseason play, Abreu hit .392 with 133 home runs, 337 RBIs, 311 runs scored and 278 walks in 346 games over the past four seasons.

read more & watch video:   http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-announce-signing-of-cuban-first-baseman-jose-abreu?content_id=63441434&partnerId=as_mlb_20131029_13750444&vkey=news_mlb&ymd=20131028 (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/white-sox-announce-signing-of-cuban-first-baseman-jose-abreu?content_id=63441434&partnerId=as_mlb_20131029_13750444&vkey=news_mlb&ymd=20131028)




Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on October 29, 2013, 02:45:28 pm
Quote
Abreu will wear #79.

What does he think he is, a defensive end?

Kind of stupid for a starting first baseman to wear such a number.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on October 29, 2013, 03:15:04 pm
Chuck Garfien ‏@ChuckGarfien   
Rick Hahn says White Sox will continue to add players. Yep, more moves to come.

Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 29, 2013, 07:49:50 pm


Dayan Viciedo and Tyler Flowers are 'Super 2s" and are now eligible for arbitration.  Recently released David Purcey also qualified for "Super2" status:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/felix-doubront-misses-arbitration-cutoff-194320643--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/felix-doubront-misses-arbitration-cutoff-194320643--mlb.html)


Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on October 29, 2013, 08:07:28 pm
Red sox doing so well with their retooling means the wsox rebuilding is basically a non starter... shame.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 01, 2013, 03:29:12 pm


(http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I000082d0w_xhnuM/s/880/880/CWS-DDD-1355S003.jpg)


White Sox outright Castro

36 minutes ago AP - Sports


CHICAGO (AP) -- The Chicago White Sox have outrighted right-handed pitcher Simon Castro to Triple-A Charlotte.

Castro was 0-1 with a 2.70 ERA in four games with the White Sox last season. He went 3-7 with a 5.83 ERA over 27 appearances (12 starts) with Charlotte.

The move announced Friday puts the White Sox's 40-man roster at 36.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-outright-castro-194449969--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-outright-castro-194449969--mlb.html)


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/castrsi01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/castrsi01.shtml)


Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on November 01, 2013, 08:17:07 pm
That was the big piece we got for Q right?
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 01, 2013, 11:24:16 pm
That was the big piece we got for Q right?

yes.  Trading Q was mainly a salary dump.

Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on November 02, 2013, 09:06:50 am
We also got a LH that we traded to Twins for Liriano, so yep, nothing more than a salary dump.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on November 20, 2013, 02:38:43 pm
Sox add two crappy prospects to 40-man roster (to protect them from Rule 5 draft), and also claim some schmoe off waivers:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-claim-jake-elmore-waivers-20131120,0,7871909.story
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on December 03, 2013, 12:17:27 pm
"Hey Dylan Axelrod, why the long face?"

"I got non-tendered."
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on December 03, 2013, 01:26:17 pm
Daniel Hudson was non tendered by the d-backs as well.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 03, 2013, 04:58:30 pm
Good one Blackie.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 03, 2013, 05:10:33 pm
Article in the Baseball America I got in the mail this week about Logan White, a super scout. He was the one guy Dan Evans took a real big chance on when he got to be GM of the Dodgers. White turned out to be a superstar. Evans staff is the one that got the Dodgers all their younger talent. Whatever happened to Evans?
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 03, 2013, 07:46:11 pm
Article in the Baseball America I got in the mail this week about Logan White, a super scout. He was the one guy Dan Evans took a real big chance on when he got to be GM of the Dodgers. White turned out to be a superstar. Evans staff is the one that got the Dodgers all their younger talent. Whatever happened to Evans?

He's a scout for the Toronto Blue Jays.  Also the commissioner of the new, independent Northern League of Professional Baseball which is scheduled to start play in 2014.  Evans also owns a 'baseball consulting' firm and wrote some columns for Baseball Prospectus (last one was in January 2013).  BTW, the Blue Jays have 4 former MLB GMs as members of their scouting staff (Dan Evans, Jim Beattie, Ed Lynch and Chuck LaMar).
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2013, 04:08:00 pm
Sox sign another schmoe they think they can fix:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20131209&content_id=64504250&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on December 10, 2013, 07:15:02 am
Yeah, this guy will take a lot of work.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on December 10, 2013, 07:29:48 am
"the White Sox learned plenty about Sale’s character in 2013 as he never once lashed out publicly despite more frustrating personal moments than one should ever have to handle."

Blackie? Anything from around the campfire?

MSF, email me.  whichever one you have
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on December 10, 2013, 10:23:52 am
I think that is referring to the fact that Sale got ZERO run support last season, thus giving him an awful W-L record despite his Top-5-Cy-Young year performance. 

Then again, "Wins" is an incredibly meaningless / misleading pitching stat.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on December 17, 2013, 04:19:39 pm
Bo knows SoxFest...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-bo-jackson-jim-thome-soxfest-20131217,0,42373.story
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2013, 09:37:08 pm


(http://psechicago.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/chi_u_cubs-white-soxs_mb_576.jpg)

Beckham, Thome happy Konerko opted to return
Second baseman didn't want veteran to go out on heels of 99-loss season


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 12/22/2013 5:16 P.M. ET


LISLE, Ill. -- Gordon Beckham had three primary reasons in wanting Paul Konerko to return to the White Sox for a 16th and final season.

The White Sox second baseman didn't want the captain to end his stellar career with the 99-loss White Sox debacle of 2013. He wanted a healthy Konerko to have another shot after battling issues with his back last year. And the third one was a little more personal.

When Konerko left U.S. Cellular Field to a thunderous ovation in the second inning of the final game of the '13 campaign, Beckham chose not to shake hands with his friend and mentor. Beckham didn't want to acknowledge that moment might be Konerko's last one with the White Sox.

"I didn't want to regret that decision for rest of my life," Beckham told MLB.com during a phone interview. "I told him, 'I'm not shaking it. I want you to come back.'

"I'm glad he is. We are great friends, and he has a wealth of knowledge needed to help out young guys. There are guys coming in that need to see Paul's work ethic and what it takes for someone who wants to be good. It's a no-brainer, a special thing to have him. I'll soak up as much as I can from him."

Jim Thome was one of the people who Konerko spoke to before making his decision to return for one more season and then agreeing to terms with the White Sox on a one-year, $2.5 million deal with $1 million deferred. Thome played as a full-time force into the 2009 season, accumulating 612 homers overall for his Hall of Fame-worthy 22-year career, before the White Sox traded him to the Dodgers on Aug. 31, 2009.

Thome served as a pinch-hitter for the Dodgers and then played three more seasons as a part-time player with the Twins, Indians, Phillies and Orioles. His plate appearance high during that time was 340 with the Twins in '10, when he launched 25 home runs.

According to Thome's comments during Sunday's youth hitting clinic at the Bulls/Sox Academy, where he served as an instructor, getting those extra days off as Konerko will in a part-time situation can only benefit the veteran at this point of his career.

read more:   http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/gordon-beckham-jim-thome-happy-paul-konerko-returning-for-final-season-with-white-sox?ymd=20131222&content_id=66139030&vkey=news_mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/gordon-beckham-jim-thome-happy-paul-konerko-returning-for-final-season-with-white-sox?ymd=20131222&content_id=66139030&vkey=news_mlb)


Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on December 31, 2013, 01:28:22 pm
Interesting analysis of Nate Jones' 2013 season:

http://www.southsidesox.com/2013/12/27/5057122/the-bedeviling-nate-jones
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on December 31, 2013, 07:28:39 pm
He needs to step it up next year, for sure.   Throw more strikes!    Still too much low-and-away.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 13, 2014, 01:20:45 pm

The Chicago White Sox and outfielder Dayan Viciedo have agreed to terms on a one-year, $2.8-million contract, avoiding arbitration.
 
Since 2012, Viciedo ranks second among AL outfielders with 25 assists, trailing only Kansas City’s Alex Gordon (34).
 
The White Sox have two remaining arbitration-eligible players: Gordon Beckham and Alejandro De Aza.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on January 14, 2014, 08:21:31 am
Bob Dylan Axelrose is back in the fold

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

Scroll down to read a tid about Jenks making a comeback
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 14, 2014, 01:07:27 pm

•The White Sox have agreed to terms with right-hander Brian Omogrosso to a minor league contract, MLB.com's Scott Merkin reports (Twitter link).  Omogrosso elected to become a free agent in October after the White Sox outrighted him off their 40-man roster.  Omogrosso, 29, posted a 9.37 ERA, 8.8 K/9 and 1.78 K/BB rate over in 16 1/3 relief innings with Chicago last season.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/white-sox-to-sign-brian-omograsso.html
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 15, 2014, 12:21:47 pm
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/jose-abreus-first-white-sox-impression-was-good-one
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 16, 2014, 05:07:12 pm

White Sox creatively attempting to rebuild the right way


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-creatively-attempting-to-rebuild-the-right-way-171948113.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/white-sox-creatively-attempting-to-rebuild-the-right-way-171948113.html)


Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on January 16, 2014, 09:10:47 pm
That's a good read but the 2014 White Sox won't lose more than 81 games
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2014, 03:59:58 pm

Sox avoid arbitration with Gordon Beckham, Alejandro De Aza

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/sox-avoid-arbitration-gordon-beckham-alejandro-de-aza (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/sox-avoid-arbitration-gordon-beckham-alejandro-de-aza)


Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on January 21, 2014, 05:45:58 pm
I would be OK with dealing Beckham.  If his D is not really special then yeah, he ain't worth the money. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chicago-white-sox-second-baseman-gordon-beckham-could-192500087--mlb.html
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on January 21, 2014, 11:48:28 pm
I say give him one more year to find himself at the plate.  But if he's playing daily, no health issues, and he puts together another mediocre offensive slash line, yeah, it's time to take a look at other options.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on January 22, 2014, 05:50:06 pm
Who knew?  Well, Bo did.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/bo-jackson-rejoins-white-sox-team-ambassador?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 22, 2014, 08:05:55 pm
Yeah, might as well give Gordo one last shot wit the new hitting coach.    WTFN?
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on January 24, 2014, 11:54:47 am
Ventura getting a contract extension today?
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 24, 2014, 05:33:41 pm
Apparently.

Why the hell not, you know? If the team's going to suck, they'll suck with or without him. Might as well at least give the guy job security since he isn't the one who screwed things up last year (well, at least not the worst).
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 25, 2014, 08:46:59 am
Apparently.

Why the hell not, you know? If the team's going to suck, they'll suck with or without him. Might as well at least give the guy job security since he isn't the one who screwed things up last year (well, at least not the worst).

Joseph, long time no hear. Good to have ya back.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 25, 2014, 11:54:26 am
Thanks. It's been a long and tumultuous (but good) few months. Took a new job in the Detroit area. Big step up financially and career-wise... plus I finally got to meet our very own Furio, who's given me quite a bit of advice on the area.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 25, 2014, 07:47:31 pm
That is super. Furio is a good dude, no matter what everyone else says, heh.

Good luck with the changes.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: joeconners on January 27, 2014, 03:45:20 am
Thanks!

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-might-not-name-closer-until-late-march?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Headline: White Sox might not name closer until late March.

Subtext: White Sox might not need closer until next March.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on January 28, 2014, 07:51:15 am
Thanks!

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-might-not-name-closer-until-late-march?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Headline: White Sox might not name closer until late March.

Subtext: White Sox might not need closer until next March.

heh, I want Jones staying as setup man.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on January 28, 2014, 08:46:41 am
I hope they make him a closer... and then trade him away... then prepare a new one and trade that one away too.... lot of surplus value in closers just starting down the arbitration road.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on January 28, 2014, 02:14:53 pm
Jones should close if he can command his stuff. If not, I think Lindstrom. Unless he was part of our purge. I thought we re-upped with him though.
Title: Re: 2013-14 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 07, 2014, 02:23:14 pm
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3cn05fecP1qbc6b5o1_1280.jpg)


White Sox sign reliever Mitchell Boggs


http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-sign-reliever-mitchell-boggs (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-sign-reliever-mitchell-boggs)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/boggsmi01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/boggsmi01.shtml)




Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 07, 2014, 05:36:19 pm
Assuming they saw something in his mechanics that they think they can fix.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 08, 2014, 10:33:43 am
Stats last year make it appear he was hurt.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on February 08, 2014, 11:02:41 am
he was closer once Motte got hurt and just didnt handle the gig well. was great as a setup guy for years.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 09, 2014, 08:21:48 am
he was closer once Motte got hurt and just didnt handle the gig well. was great as a setup guy for years.

We have had our share of those, Thornton and Crain, good setup men, not closers.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on February 10, 2014, 09:11:37 pm
I love me some Rick Hahn

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rick-hahn-39-vision-evident-revamped-chicago-white-155400283--mlb.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on February 10, 2014, 09:12:40 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/02/09/jose-abreu-chicago-white-sox-cuban-baseball-yasiel-puig/5349629/
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 11, 2014, 07:21:41 am
Thanks for the Hahn article Shoeless, good stuff.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on February 11, 2014, 10:39:31 am
I think he has a plan.  Kenny shot from the hip.  Gonna be a good few years.  I just hope Abreu is close to what some think.  That will be cool
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on February 11, 2014, 05:15:40 pm
Why are most people talking about Paulino being the 5th starter, what happened to Rienzo. I thought he seemed like he deserved a shot, do not even see his name mentioned in the articles. Its like we think Paulino is healthy all of a sudden? Sheesh.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on February 11, 2014, 08:19:17 pm
I was not impressed at all by Rienzo. His minor league stats suck, and while he was OK first go around in the bigs, adjustments would be made by big league hitters, and I see him being nothing but another Axelrod. ( was thinking about saying Jeremy Reed) ;)
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 11, 2014, 08:40:25 pm
Interesting about the ground ball rates.   Would like to see that kind of analysis from the local beat writers.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on February 14, 2014, 02:36:36 pm
Very interesting and bravo to Hahn. It always makes me wonder when I see Detroit go after mashers instead of speed and defense. Does Dombrowski ever look around at the size of his park?
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on February 17, 2014, 08:35:31 am
Danks says he feels 18 again, which tells me he's still about 5 years from being MLB ready...
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on February 17, 2014, 10:47:16 am
•The White Sox and pitcher Jose Quintana do not plan to discuss an extension during spring training, Cotillo tweets. Quintana, 25, posted a 3.51 ERA with 7.4 K/9 and 2.5 BB/9 in 200 innings in 2013. He will likely be eligible for arbitration next offseason as a Super Two player.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/extension-notes-segura-bailey-quintana-parker.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on February 17, 2014, 10:53:03 am
Haven't been this excited about a season in a long time.  Just really looking forward to seeing Abreu, Garcia, Eaton.  And I think the starters have a chance to be just about as good as any.  If Johnson is good, look out.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Fury on February 19, 2014, 11:31:27 am
Quote
If Johnson is good, look out.

I don't know WHAT to say about that.

Seriously, I am guardedly optimistic about the upcoming season.  At the very least, the Sox won't blow quite as much.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 24, 2014, 11:36:32 am
White Sox announce 2014 broadcast schedule

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140224&content_id=68263018&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on February 26, 2014, 03:43:30 pm
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140226&content_id=68365662&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws

The Chicago White Sox will bring back the 1983 throwback jerseys as one of the team's permanent uniforms and wear during select games at home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU8KCBZtpEk

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on February 28, 2014, 11:46:49 am
Have officially purchased my tickets to the Saturday, April 26 game against Tampa Bay.

Minnie Minoso statues certain to be worth more than my Nick Swisher bobbleheads....
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on March 08, 2014, 10:48:34 am
I just realized today that the Sox are coming to Denver on the first road trip of the year.   I am such a dolt!  he We'll have to take in at least one of those games.  I might wait for the rotation to be confirmed because I would love to see Sale in person, a straight 4 man would put him on the Wednesday afternoon game.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on March 08, 2014, 09:16:34 pm
Some random happenings here at Camelback Ranch today

Adam Eaton was giving all the kids who had Dodger jerseys a tough time ;)
Gordon Beckham seemed very irritable with the autograph seekers
Carlos Sanchez played well but he sure gained some weight and looks a bit plump
I asked Rick Hahn is there were any trades on the horizon, he showed me his cell phone and said "no calls today"
Jordan Danks looks real locked in at the plate.
John Danks spent the most time giving autographs
Every play at the plate today played out awkwardly by both the catcher and runner.
Same old, DeAza just missed getting picked off with the bases loaded
Jim Thome took in some swings
Kenny Williams worked out most of the morning by himself on a far off empty field

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on March 10, 2014, 10:24:57 am
I just realized today that the Sox are coming to Denver on the first road trip of the year.

I have 4 tix lined up behind the Sox dugout for Weds afternoon.  I'll have to see about the other two games as they are night games, which that time of year can be nice or 40 degrees and raining
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Shoeless on March 11, 2014, 07:32:19 pm
pretty fair assessment of the state of the sox

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/offseason-in-review-chicago-white-sox.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: 4nek8 on March 12, 2014, 04:22:43 pm
a straight 4 man

You rang, Ms. Love?
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 23, 2014, 03:57:20 pm

Before it even began, the Mitchell Boggs era is OVAH!



Sox demote Matt Davidson, Jordan Danks

By Colleen Kane, Tribune reporter - 12:31 p.m. CDT, March 23, 2014

GLENDALE, Ariz. – Third baseman Matt Davidson and outfielder Jordan Danks felt like they had solid showings for the Chicago White Sox in spring training this year, but both will start the season in the minor leagues after the Sox optioned them to Triple-A Charlotte on Sunday.

The Sox made five roster moves prior to Sunday’s game against the Rockies, also optioning right-hander Jake Petricka to Charlotte, assigning right-hander Dylan Axelrod to minor league camp and requesting waivers in order to grant the unconditional release of right-handed reliever Mitchell Boggs, who joined the team as a free agent in the offseason.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-matt-davidson-jordan-danks-20140323,0,6075964.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-matt-davidson-jordan-danks-20140323,0,6075964.story)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 24, 2014, 04:17:33 pm

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2013/0805/chi_g_quintana01jr_576.jpg)

Quintana inks five-year deal with White Sox

By Joey Nowak / MLB.com | 3/24/2014 12:01 P.M. ET

The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a five-year contract with left-handed pitcher Jose Quintana, which includes two club options.

If Quintana, 25, is eligible for arbitration following the 2014 season, the total guaranteed dollars would be $26.5 million. He would receive $850,000 in 2014, $3.4 million in 2015, $5.4 million in 2016, $7 million in 2017 and $8.85 million in 2018. The White Sox would hold options for 2019 at $10.5 million and for 2020 at $11.5 million. If either option is declined, Quintana would receive a $1 million buyout.

If Quintana is not eligible for arbitration after the 2014 season, the total guaranteed dollars would be $21.0 million. He would receive $850,000 in 2014, $1 million in 2015, $3.8 million in 2016, $6 million in 2017 and $8.35 million in 2018. The Sox would hold options for 2019 at $10.5 million and for 2020 at $11.5 million with a $1million buyout.

read more:   http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-sign-left-handed-pitcher-jose-quintana-to-a-five-year-contract-contract?ymd=20140324&content_id=70006044&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-sign-left-handed-pitcher-jose-quintana-to-a-five-year-contract-contract?ymd=20140324&content_id=70006044&vkey=news_cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 25, 2014, 03:49:32 pm
Your 2014 starting pitchers:

Ventura said the Sox rotation order will start with left-hander Chris Sale, followed by right-hander Felipe Paulino, left-hander Jose Quintana, right-hander Erik Johnson and left-hander John Danks.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-starting-rotation-20140325,0,137879.story
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 25, 2014, 04:18:30 pm
Has Paulino done something this spring I'm not aware of?
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on March 25, 2014, 08:52:15 pm
He's splitting the lefty's from the righty's, so it would either be Paulino or Johnson number 2. I think Paulino has been a little stronger, and he probably doesn't want a rookie in the number 2 spot.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on March 26, 2014, 08:38:02 am
Paulino had a nice start his last time out, 5 innings with 1 run. He can be overpowering. I think Juan has the correct reasons as well.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 26, 2014, 03:50:16 pm

(http://cdn.na16.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Ken-Hawk-Harrelson-crop.jpg)

Hawk ready for White Sox to start fresh
Legendary broadcaster focused on team's core of young talent


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 3/26/2014 10:00 A.M. ET


CHICAGO -- A prevailing thought running through the mind of Ken "Hawk" Harrelson goes something like this: Don't even mention the 2013 White Sox season at the start of the 2014 campaign or any other time throughout the 162-game schedule.

This iconic television play-by-play personality, beginning his 30th season in the White Sox booth, understands that thought won't be entirely possible to execute.

"Yeah, I've never seen a ballclub perform that poorly," Harrelson told MLB.com of last year's 99-loss campaign during a recent Spring Training conversation. "Not any club I played on or any club I was associated with.

"I told players this is the worst performing team I've ever been associated with in my life and I never want to see it again, I can tell you that. It took me a long time to get over it.

read more:   http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/broadcaster-hawk-harrelson-ready-for-white-sox-to-start-fresh?ymd=20140326&content_id=70043310&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/broadcaster-hawk-harrelson-ready-for-white-sox-to-start-fresh?ymd=20140326&content_id=70043310&vkey=news_cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 26, 2014, 03:59:18 pm


The White Sox made several moves on Wednesday, the most significant of which was the placement of starting second baseman Gordon Beckham on the disabled list with an oblique injury. Marcus Semien will replace him in the starting lineup.

The temporary loss of Beckham resulted in fellow second baseman Leury Garcia landing a spot on the opening day roster.



http://bbl69.baseball.cbssports.com/players/playerpage/news/1660445
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 26, 2014, 04:00:44 pm
Keppinger also starts on the DL:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-beckham-keppinger-dl-20140326,0,5408204.story
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on March 26, 2014, 08:53:11 pm
Yes! S*ck it, Michelle Obama...

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/10676917/chicago-white-sox-offer-3-pound-sundae-helmet
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 28, 2014, 06:14:44 pm

Sox outright Guerra to Triple-A Charlotte

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-guerra-charlotte-20140328,0,7028438.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-guerra-charlotte-20140328,0,7028438.story)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 29, 2014, 03:01:29 pm

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/DWebbCWS_zps1baa9556.jpg)   


Daniel Webb makes the 25-man opening day roster:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-reassign-minor-league-camp-20140328,0,2523214.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-reassign-minor-league-camp-20140328,0,2523214.story)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on March 29, 2014, 04:35:04 pm
162-0, me frien'.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on March 29, 2014, 07:25:21 pm
162-0, me frien'.

Pass it over to me.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 10, 2014, 02:02:16 pm
A. Garcia out for the year - torn labrum.   
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 10, 2014, 02:17:51 pm
Well, if it wasn't already a rebuilding season, it is now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-avisail-garcia-out-for-season-20140410,0,1770403.story
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 10, 2014, 02:45:50 pm
Well, if it wasn't already a rebuilding season, it is now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-avisail-garcia-out-for-season-20140410,0,1770403.story


The mlb.com story which includes the CSN-Chicago video/audio of the play:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/avisail-garcia-of-white-sox-to-have-season-ending-shoulder-surgery?ymd=20140410&content_id=71604500&vkey=news_mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/mlb/avisail-garcia-of-white-sox-to-have-season-ending-shoulder-surgery?ymd=20140410&content_id=71604500&vkey=news_mlb)

I still can't believe Ventura didn't challenge the "trapped ball" call as that was a turning point in the game. 

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on April 10, 2014, 03:50:10 pm
Ugh, a whole year of Avi Garcia's development is gone now. That stinks. If he were a halfway decent outfielder this wouldn't have happened. In every game I saw he was making easy plays look difficult.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 13, 2014, 03:34:01 pm
An update on Beckham from "The Bright One":

Gordon Beckham is fielding ground balls and ­taking batting practice at Class AA Birmingham, but Ventura doesn’t see him returning to game action right away. Beckham hasn’t played since last Thursday when he had a setback in his recovery from a strained left oblique.



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/26809010-574/felipe-paulino-gets-a-warning-from-robin-ventura-that-he-has-to-step-it-up.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/26809010-574/felipe-paulino-gets-a-warning-from-robin-ventura-that-he-has-to-step-it-up.html)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 13, 2014, 10:29:30 pm
I pissed off over Ventura's passiveness over the replay system. Terry Francona blew him away this weekend as Robin never challenged the plays he was crazy not to, and terry was smart to challenge at every opportunity.

Love to see us get Joe Madden here. JR and his loyalties could never do it though,



Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 14, 2014, 04:54:21 pm


Here's your bullpen help:


(http://shatterthebackboard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Frank-Francisco.jpg)

White Sox sign Frank Francisco


Aaron Gleeman - Apr 14, 2014, 5:43 PM EDT

Veteran reliever Frank Francisco has signed a minor-league contract with the White Sox.

Francisco was slated to be the Mets’ closer last season, but instead elbow problems kept him sidelined until September and he made a total of just eight appearances. He also wasn’t any good for the Mets in 2012, saving 23 games with an ugly 5.47 ERA after signing a two-year, $12.5 million deal as a free agent.

Injuries and poor control made Francisco a poor fit as a closer, but he’s always missed plenty of bats and thrown plenty hard. If healthy he could help Chicago in a setup role, especially given the White Sox’s current need for bullpen depth. For now he’ll head to Triple-A at age 34.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/14/white-sox-sign-frank-francisco/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/14/white-sox-sign-frank-francisco/)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 14, 2014, 05:04:35 pm
My guy!    Franky-Frank is back.

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 14, 2014, 05:51:22 pm
Cool, I always like Franky Francisco. He gets it back and we are set.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 14, 2014, 06:52:34 pm
Belisario and Lindstrom have been put on notice. Francisco and Guerra are waiting at AAA.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 14, 2014, 07:58:59 pm
add Downs to that list. He's has been as bad as those two.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 15, 2014, 07:36:53 am
Downs has been a huge disappointment, I knew the others could implode but I thought he was safe from that.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 15, 2014, 09:10:18 am
Downs is a lefty. And since Veal has s*cked, we really have no options for replacing him right now.
We'll have to ride his early struggles out. Hopefully he'll get going.

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 19, 2014, 09:06:06 pm
(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/1/8/6/72648186/cuts/rienzo_promoted_pl6iibwx_s7sg0fp6.jpg)


Felipe Paulino to the DL. To replace him on the 25-man roster, the White Sox recalled Andre Rienzo from Charlotte.


http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140419&content_id=72648260&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t494&sid=t494 (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140419&content_id=72648260&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_t494&sid=t494)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 19, 2014, 11:08:39 pm
Dunn is over 300 BA and way over 400 OBP.

If he keeps this up for a month or two we could get something very decent in return,


Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 20, 2014, 07:47:31 am
Is there anyone who watched Paulino pitch this month that didn't know he was disabled?
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 20, 2014, 07:48:31 am
Let me be the first to suggest Scott Downs and Ron Belisario for the DL too...
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2014, 09:59:06 pm

(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/USATSI_7864717.jpg)

White Sox starter Chris Sale headed to DL

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-chris-sale-tigers-20140421,0,6572986.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-chris-sale-tigers-20140421,0,6572986.story)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 21, 2014, 10:37:59 pm
Ugh.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on April 22, 2014, 08:28:13 am
Strained flexor... 3 days after he throws 127 pitches...

Dusty Ventura?

Really hope this doesnt go down the patrick corbin route where one week its nothing to worry about the next week its partially torn and TJ.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on April 22, 2014, 10:26:06 am
If that's all it is, we're lucky. Sale has been overused the entire month.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 22, 2014, 10:35:29 am
Frickin sh*tty-arse bullpen.     
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 22, 2014, 10:46:42 am
Sale has had arm trouble every spring thus far. Been on DL before. I do not have a problem with him throwing 120 pitches. He is likely going to be ok.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: WshflThinking on April 22, 2014, 11:01:42 am
I worry a lot about Sale's arm. I know this has happened before and they've rested him and he's come back strong, but I still worry.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on April 22, 2014, 02:18:20 pm
It is what it is, there were articles saying we were only team brave enough to take him as early as we did. We have gotten a lot out of his arm thus far, more than anyone expected. I think there will be more.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 25, 2014, 01:46:17 pm
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Hector+Noesi+New+York+Yankees+v+Tampa+Bay+DNuHhg7vlD1l.jpg)

White Sox claim right-hander Noesi off waivers

By Daryl Van Schouwen | Get In Touch: @CST_soxvan | dvanschouwen@suntimes.com

Inside the White Sox, Sports - April 25, 2014 1:23 pm


The White Sox claimed right-handed pitcher Hector Noesi off waivers from the Texas Rangers Friday.
Noesi, 27, has struggled in April between the Seattle Mariners and Texas, allowing 10 earned runs over 6 1/3 innings (14.21 ERA). He got roughed up by the Sox for seven runs over one inning in Texas on April 20 and was designated for assignment two days later. He had pitched 4 1/3 scoreless innings over his first two games with the Rangers.

Over four major-league seasons Noesi has pitched in 69 games, including 21 starts between the Yankees, Mariners and Rangers. His career record is 4-16 with a 5.81 ERA with 140 strikeouts over 196 2/3 innings.

The Sox 40-man roster now stands at 40.

A shortage of quality pitching depth has kept Sox general manager Rick Hahn active on the waiver wires and discard pools, claiming or signing right-handers Javy Guerra, Maikel Cleto, Frank Francisco, Tommy Hanson and Noesi. Cleto made the team out of spring training.

http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-claim-right-hander-noesi-off-waivers/#.U1qn37PIFE0.twitter (http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-claim-right-hander-noesi-off-waivers/#.U1qn37PIFE0.twitter)


Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on April 26, 2014, 03:50:35 pm
White Sox believe they can fix waiver claim Noesi

Duh, really? I figured they claimed him because he was good enough as is.

http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-claim-right-hander-noesi-off-waivers/#.U1wbwyiE65R
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 26, 2014, 04:04:01 pm

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/80971/80971-US283Fr.jpg)

Sox's Gillaspie lands on DL

By Fred Mitchell Tribune reporter - 2:31 p.m. CDT, April 26, 2014

The Chicago White Sox placed infielder Conor Gillaspie (left hand contusion) on the 15-day disabled list before Saturday night’s game against the Tampa Bay Rays at U.S. Cellular Field.

Right-handed pitcher Hector Noesi, 27, acquired off waivers Friday from the Rangers, was placed on the 40-man active roster. Noesi gave up seven runs in one inning pitched last Sunday against  the White Sox and was designated for assignment Tuesday.

Gillaspie, whose DL stint is retroactive to April 22, is hitting .302 with 12 RBIs.

fmitchell@tribune.com

Twitter@kicker34

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-conor-gillaspie-disabled-list-20140426,0,6709779.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-conor-gillaspie-disabled-list-20140426,0,6709779.story)
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 02, 2014, 10:10:40 pm
I can't believe how horrific our pitching is.

MSF, Beckham has sucked for most of the last 6 years. Who would want to trade anything of value for a washed up guy making 4+ million? The guy shows no energy, and since he came back Luery's role is extinct.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 03, 2014, 11:52:54 am
Beckham has value because 2B is a weak position across the league.

Danks is damaged goods now. He'll be going on the DL.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 03, 2014, 11:58:53 am
Should never have traded away chris getz!

maybe beck's to toronto for getz?
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2014, 05:26:17 pm
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/AEatonCWS2_zps6794c2b7.jpg)                  (http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/FDeLosSantosCWS6_zpsf8b57aab.jpg)


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-e3ilKwcLwvc/USj0bPOIZKI/AAAAAAAAC8k/ZCvVZQsk2jU/s400/7.+Moises+Sierra.jpg)      (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/86117/86117-6228316Fr.jpg)


Plenty of roster moves today by the White Sox:

1.)  Centerfielder Adam Eaton to the 15-day DL. 

2.)  Left-handed pitcher Frank De Los Santos recalled from Class AAA Charlotte.

3.)  Outfielder Moises Sierra claimed off waivers from Toronto.

4.)  Right-handed pitcher Nate Jones transferred to the 60-day disabled list.


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-center-fielder-adam-eaton-placed-on-dl-with-hamstring-strain?ymd=20140502&content_id=74112396&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-center-fielder-adam-eaton-placed-on-dl-with-hamstring-strain?ymd=20140502&content_id=74112396&vkey=news_cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2014, 05:31:57 pm

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-53656560/turbine/chi-white-sox-nate-jones-surgery-20140503-001/525)

Sox's Jones to undergo back surgery

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-nate-jones-surgery-20140503,0,1621006.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-nate-jones-surgery-20140503,0,1621006.story)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 04, 2014, 03:10:21 pm

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/MScws1_zps71d812d1.jpg)

Sierra adds depth to White Sox bench

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140504&content_id=74292690&notebook_id=74292696&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140504&content_id=74292690&notebook_id=74292696&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 05, 2014, 02:10:30 pm
Abreu named AL Player of the Month and Rookie of the Month.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-abreu-player-of-month-20140505,0,76769.story
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2014, 03:25:06 pm

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/76837/76837-580Fr.jpg)      (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/86117/86117-6228287Fr.jpg)

Sox option Jordan Danks; Gillaspie returns

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-jordan-danks-gillaspie-20140507,0,1533508.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-jordan-danks-gillaspie-20140507,0,1533508.story)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 11, 2014, 04:22:37 pm

(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/4/2/4/75005424/cuts/francisco_full_a7htbxv0_jgyxm9ey.jpg)

White Sox Purchase Contract of Frank Francisco; Designate Cleto for Assignment

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140510&content_id=75007580&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140510&content_id=75007580&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 14, 2014, 11:22:37 am
Keppenger: He Gone!


DFA'd and removed from the 40-man roster.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 14, 2014, 12:00:54 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/white-sox-designate-jeff-keppinger-for-assignment.html

Never did like that signing. Thought it was a Teahen deal, this is just confirmation.

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 14, 2014, 12:48:09 pm
Heh.

http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/trades-and-rumors-24/msg17873/#msg17873
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 14, 2014, 01:03:56 pm
Keppenger: He Gone!


DFA'd and removed from the 40-man roster.
Good riddance
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 14, 2014, 05:53:21 pm
Heh.

http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/trades-and-rumors-24/msg17873/#msg17873


Unnamed sources out of the state of Iowa claim ISF is scheduled to meet with Dr. James Andrews in Alabama for possible TJ surgery. 

ISF injured his arm patting himself on the back for his correct prediction of Keppinger's failure with the White Sox. 
   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 14, 2014, 06:51:57 pm
heh
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 15, 2014, 09:31:31 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/al-notes-keppinger-zobrist-singleton-devries.html

Earlier today, the White Sox made the tough decision to designate infielder Jeff Keppinger for assignment, despite the fact that his contract calls for a $4MM salary in 2014 and a $4.5MM salary in 2015. GM Rick Hahn spoke to reporters about the move about the decision: “We are focusing on the future as opposed to trying to justify a decision from the past. … [Keppinger's signing] didn’t work. That’s on me.”


Nice to see that Hahn isn't afraid to cut bait on a bad contract, or take responsibility for it. Bodes well for the future.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 15, 2014, 01:56:56 pm
Agree
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: PeteWard on May 15, 2014, 10:43:24 pm
And sends a message to the players: perform or your out
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 18, 2014, 06:42:32 pm
De Aza can be DFA'd as far as I am concerned.   Might as well see if either Jordan Danks or that schmoe they picked up has anything.   De Aza adds nothing, and has no future with this team.  Danks and Sierra probably don;t either, but might as well give them One Last Shot.

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 19, 2014, 07:57:25 am
Really? De Aza has had two ok years with the bat. Gotta think he is better than those other two. Danks has a long swing. Sierra will never walk and makes mental mistakes galore.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 19, 2014, 08:01:38 am
We have Eaton and the worst outfield ever.

Put Leury Garcia out there.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 20, 2014, 03:58:36 pm
 
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/MLindstromCWStoppsDigital_zps4b8f6a79.jpg)    (http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/JGuerraCWS_zps694a25c6.jpg)


Sox put Lindstrom on DL

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-lindstrom-disabled-list-20140520,0,3891787.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-lindstrom-disabled-list-20140520,0,3891787.story)

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicag-white-sox-place-closer-matt-lindstrom-on-disabled-list-call-up-pitcher-javy-guerra?ymd=20140520&content_id=76112384&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicag-white-sox-place-closer-matt-lindstrom-on-disabled-list-call-up-pitcher-javy-guerra?ymd=20140520&content_id=76112384&vkey=news_cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on May 20, 2014, 07:11:06 pm
Guerra gets #41....   does that make him Humber, Broadway, Simas... or Seaver?
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 20, 2014, 07:23:23 pm
Guerra gets #41....   does that make him Humber, Broadway, Simas... or Seaver?

You forgot to add Dennis Higgins, Paul Edmondson, Brandon McCarthy, Daniel Hudson, Scott Nielsen, Jeff Carter, Floyd Weaver, Jason Grilli, Dick Tidrow, Fred Howard, Larry Monroe, Verle Tiefenthaler and Cy Acosta.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/uniform-numbers.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/uniform-numbers.shtml)

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/VTiefenthalerCWS_zpsb6f39684.jpg)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 22, 2014, 01:34:17 pm
Francisco....he gone:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/white-sox-to-designate-frank-francisco-for-assignment.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 22, 2014, 01:35:19 pm
Keppinger gone too...unconditional release:

https://twitter.com/ChiTribKane/status/469206683260973056
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2014, 03:06:21 pm

(http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/files/2014/04/Matt-Lindstrom.jpg)

Lindstrom to have surgery on ankle, miss three months

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140521&content_id=76241470&notebook_id=76287378&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140521&content_id=76241470&notebook_id=76287378&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 29, 2014, 02:39:14 pm
This is cool. The best all-time choice for each of the first 15 rounds for the Sox.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-have-benefited-from-casting-wide-draft-net?ymd=20140529&content_id=77342514&vkey=news_cws
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 29, 2014, 04:34:19 pm
This is cool. The best all-time choice for each of the first 15 rounds for the Sox.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-have-benefited-from-casting-wide-draft-net?ymd=20140529&content_id=77342514&vkey=news_cws

What no mention of the Sox 43rd round pick of the 1993 draft?

Carey Schueler, daughter of then GM Ron Schueler, chosen by the White Sox with the 1208th overall pick.  That was 61 spots ahead of Bobby Howry, 95 spots ahead of Dave Roberts and 149 spots ahead of Plácido Polanco.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on May 30, 2014, 01:00:56 pm
•The White Sox selection of Kolek is “the lock” of the top five picks, says Law

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/05/draft-links-astros-gordon-howard-top-5.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 30, 2014, 02:45:39 pm

"reminds you of a young Kenny Williams"


.........are the 7 words I don't want to hear as a description of a White Sox draftee next week.

Check that, those 7 words I NEVER want to hear about a White Sox draftee for at least a decade.



 
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 30, 2014, 04:30:18 pm
Agree 100%, we have too many like him now. Walker, Thompson, Hawkins, Anderson. They all K way too much although they are athletes. I want baseball players, not guys who would be good at football or basketball.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on May 30, 2014, 07:43:53 pm
We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.

You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on May 30, 2014, 11:11:12 pm
We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.

You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell

How could I forget him, Mitchell is the worst of all the bad picks we have make lately.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 30, 2014, 11:33:35 pm
We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.

You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell

How could I forget him, Mitchell is the worst of all the bad picks we have make lately.


That pick of Mitchell really hurt.

It was really important to "draft someone who reminds you of a young Kenny Williams" and pass on a kid who, so far, has turned out to be "the next Mickey Mantle".


Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on June 01, 2014, 07:05:32 pm
They may have missed (badly) on Mitchell, but they sure hit gold with Sale.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 02, 2014, 07:42:08 am
You got that right.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 25, 2014, 03:35:34 pm

(http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Ronald+Belisario+Chicago+White+Sox+v+Colorado+fStu_62xMQtl.jpg)

Closing Time: The last days of Belisario

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/closing-time--the-last-days-of-belisario-162340788.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/closing-time--the-last-days-of-belisario-162340788.html)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on June 25, 2014, 04:27:28 pm
From that article:

Last year's Chicago closer is no bargain, either. When it comes to the carnival experience, Addison Reed is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Sure, he's converted 17-of-20 save chances, if you want to frame it that way. But he's also carrying a 4.18 ERA, he's allowed eight homers in 32.1 innings, and he's been scored upon in 15 of 33 appearances. Nothing is ever easy with this guy.

Reed's third blown save came Tuesday against Cleveland, though the Snakes eventually won the crazy game in extra innings. Reed generally is around the plate, but two walks hurt him in this meltdown. Arizona doesn't have immediate incentive to push Reed out of the ninth, but keep in mind the closer did have a tired arm not long ago. Brad Ziegler, stay fresh.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 25, 2014, 06:23:14 pm
From that article:

Last year's Chicago closer is no bargain, either. When it comes to the carnival experience, Addison Reed is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Sure, he's converted 17-of-20 save chances, if you want to frame it that way. But he's also carrying a 4.18 ERA, he's allowed eight homers in 32.1 innings, and he's been scored upon in 15 of 33 appearances. Nothing is ever easy with this guy.

Reed's third blown save came Tuesday against Cleveland, though the Snakes eventually won the crazy game in extra innings. Reed generally is around the plate, but two walks hurt him in this meltdown. Arizona doesn't have immediate incentive to push Reed out of the ninth, but keep in mind the closer did have a tired arm not long ago. Brad Ziegler, stay fresh.



Addison Reed is no Mariano Rivera but I think we all would agree that the White Sox would be better off having Reed as their closer than have Matt Davidson suck at Charlotte.




Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 25, 2014, 06:26:03 pm

In case Loveland missed it .....

               ....also from that article:

Quote

• We'll close up shop in reverse fashion, double back to a starting pitcher who's a little under the radar. Jose Quintana was superb over seven crisp innings (6 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 8 K), scoring his first win in a month. The 3.69 ERA and 1.32 WHIP might not look like much to you, though some of the advanced metrics are in his corner (3.08 FIP). He's also nudged his ground-ball and strikeout rates up slightly.

It's a shame the schedule won't play nicer: he's at Toronto this weekend (nope), then up against Felix Hernandez (on paper anyway) the next turn. Just remember we had this talk: I still think Quintana's pitching better than his surface stats, and I expect he'll help us at some point later this summer.


Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 25, 2014, 08:17:05 pm
Andy, I'd rather have the hope of Davidson turning it around than to have a closer that maybe blows just a few less games than our current closers). Didn't that article say they Reed has given up runs in half of his games? Reed will also become too expensive once we get good again.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 26, 2014, 09:27:35 am
Hindsight is 20-20. I didn't like parting with a young closer, but we were getting a highly thought of 3B prospect in return. Given the inconsistency of bullpen arms in general, you do that move every time and take the risk. I really thought Jones or Lindstrom would step into the closer role and do fine.



Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 26, 2014, 09:31:20 am
Downs DFA'ed:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/white-sox-designate-scott-downs.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 29, 2014, 04:55:07 pm
I never said Q doesn't pitch well or have a good ERA.  I said the team loses more games than it wins when he pitches, and he often pitches just poor enough to lose.  No clue why, just one of those things.  You can post all the little articles you want my opinion won't change a line was crossed in the last couple months.  Others have crossed the line, sometimes I end up wrong but I am usually right.  Remember when we all were told on this forum that Josh Fields would become the next big thing just give it time?

Let it also be noted that I have been harping on the Reed/Davidson trade failure for some time now.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on June 30, 2014, 08:30:13 am
Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi  9h
Best pitcher for a Chicago team in '14: Jose Quintana, according to WAR on @fangraphs. Ahead of Samardzija, Hammel, Sale (had DL time).

Jose Quintana could become Doug Fister circa 2011: Very little trade hype, then he gets traded and helps a team win its division.


Can't see the team trading Quintana. If Rodon is as good as advertising we could have a really nice 1-2-3 next year.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on June 30, 2014, 09:32:03 am
Yeah, we do need to hang onto him. He is consistently decent, even if the team manages to win less than half his starts. I also think he will keep improving.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 30, 2014, 10:53:31 am
The team loses more games than it wins in general. Last year we were horrible and Quintana was 9-7. Would that everyone else in the rotation had won as often.

Holding Quintana to a higher standard just because he receives less run support is a bogus way of judging talent.
If Sale got Quintana's run support he'd be under .500 too.

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on June 30, 2014, 11:43:23 am
The Cubs don't win when Samardzija pitches either even though he's pitched pretty well. And Theo is supposedly asking for a huge haul for him.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 30, 2014, 02:29:53 pm
Why bother keeping a W-L record for pitchers at all then if the only thing that matters is ERA?    Tell Mr. Ryan that his 300+ wins are nice and all but not that important and a bit over-rated. (The actual number over 300 hardly matters so I am not going to look it up.)

What about the quality in a player who holds the opposition to 1 run  when his team  scores 2, and manages to do it over and over again.   Isn't that what W-L tracks besides just run support? 
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on June 30, 2014, 07:36:03 pm
Apples and oranges. Ryan played when no one knew what a pitch count was. I bet Quintana would have more wins if he had been left in instead of being pulled for Ronald Belisario and crew. You do not get to dismiss the fact that you have already said that it doesn't matter to you that the bullpen has blown a bunch of his games, it's his fault he leaves tied or with the lead and the bullpen blows it.

http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/today039s-game-2011-(1)-22/?message=23876

http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/today039s-game-2011-(1)-22/?message=23877
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on June 30, 2014, 08:26:22 pm
I did not click on those links,  nor will I.  I hope you enjoyed the stroll down memory lane though.

I will, however, paraphrase what I have said in the past.   For some unknown  and unquantified reason this team very often loses games when Q starts.   Personally I am tired of it, let him pitch just good enough to lose elsewhere.

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 30, 2014, 11:13:20 pm
Love, your arguments are baseless and you refuse to see them.

 Q was 9-7 last year on a team that won 63 games. This year he is 5-7 on a team close to that same winning percentage. Then you blame him for what happens after he leaves the game if the bullpen blows it.

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 01, 2014, 06:53:59 am
Exactly.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 01, 2014, 09:07:59 am
Right, now you get it   I didn't lay out a statistical defense of my whipping boy.  I simply said that the team loses games when he pitches and I am tired is it.   I don't have to offer a statistical defense for why I don't like him anymore. 

 My favorite player ever is Chet Lemon.  Hardly the greatest of all time but my favorite.   I don't have to offer a statistical defense for that either. 
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 01, 2014, 09:59:19 pm
While I don't agree with Loveland's assessment of Quintana, I enjoy her lambasting of "the other Q".   "You go girl", as they say.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 02, 2014, 10:27:38 am
The White Sox have released righty Mitchell Boggs from Triple-A, reports Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com (via Twitter). The move will clear space for the addition of fellow reliever Henry Rodriguez, who signed a minor league deal recently, as Scott Merkin of MLB.com reported on Twitter. Boggs struggled to a 9.50 ERA in 36 innings with the Sox’ top affiliate this year, while Rodriguez was utterly unable to throw strikes consistently during his tenure with the Marlins.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/phillies-outright-sean-osullivan.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2014, 02:26:26 pm

Quote

while Rodriguez was utterly unable to throw strikes consistently during his tenure with the Marlins.


Unable to throw strikes? He'll fit right in with this White Sox bullpen.



Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 02, 2014, 03:40:23 pm



The White Sox have claimed righty Angel Sanchez off waivers from the Rays, tweets Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune. He will join the club’s Class-A affiliate.

The Rays claimed Sanchez off waivers from the Marlins last month, only to designate him to make room for the addition of Cory Burns. Sanchez, 24, was part of last year’s Ricky Nolasco deal. Over 61 1/3 Double-A frames on the year, Sanchez owns a 7.04 ERA with 5.3 K/9 versus 2.9 BB/9.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/white-sox-claim-angel-sanchez-from-rays.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 02, 2014, 03:43:29 pm

The White Sox have made several big-dollar signings: shortstop Ricardo Mota has signed for $750K, second baseman Felix Mercedes will receive a $950K bonus, and catcher Jhoandro Alfaro (brother of Rangers’ prospect Jorge) will get $750K, according to Dionisio Soldevila of ESPNDeportes.com (links to Twitter). Earlier, we learned that shortstop Amado Nunez has agreed to a $900K bonus with Chicago, per MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez tweets. The club has announced all four signings, per Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune (via Twitter). Nunez is perhaps the highest-rated of the foursome, with MLB.com and BA both rating him the 26th-best available prospect. Though he lacks any eye-popping tools and may ultimately need to move off of shortstop, BA says that his broad-based talents tend to show up in game action.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/international-signings-perez-sierra-ynoa-nunez.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2014, 08:16:21 pm

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/JAbreuROTM-06_zps8439684b.jpg)


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-jose-abreu-earns-al-rookie-of-the-month-award-for-june?ymd=20140702&content_id=82766580&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/chicago-white-sox-jose-abreu-earns-al-rookie-of-the-month-award-for-june?ymd=20140702&content_id=82766580&vkey=news_cws)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 07, 2014, 09:42:12 pm

(http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/images/events/all_star/y2014/fv/buttons/519242.png)


Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 09, 2014, 11:06:29 pm
Reports are saying than Rodon got a deal north of $6.45 million.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 10, 2014, 07:59:01 pm

TODAY: Rodon will receive a $6.582MM bonus, reports John Manuel of Baseball America. That figure represents the largest bonus in the draft, as even the previously agreed upon $6.5MM bonus between the Astros and Aiken would fall shy (of course, the two sides in those negotiations have hit a snag due to a rumored injury, and Houston is now seeking a discounted bonus).


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/white-sox-agree-to-terms-with-carlos-rodon.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 10, 2014, 09:57:44 pm
What's the consensus on Conner G's future? He's impressing me more and more
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 11, 2014, 09:01:04 pm
3Bman for the next 10 years.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 11, 2014, 10:29:29 pm
I think he gets traded along with becks before the deadline...
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Method on July 11, 2014, 10:31:05 pm
Atlanta has a young reliever Shae Simmons.. would love the sox to get him somehow..
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 11, 2014, 10:52:07 pm
3Bman for the next 10 years.

Now, now msf, you're almost sounding like the average cubs fan who after a few games, weeks or months of a prospects' success seem to start dreaming of a future HOF enshrinement for their guy. 

As far as my view on Conor Gillaspie, I like what I've been seeing but it's way too early to make a prediction of long term success.  Lets see if it continues for the rest of the season and into at least the 2015 All-Star break before I'd ever starting hoping there is a good chance he's the answer at 3rd for 5 years let alone 10 seasons.

There are way too many guys all throughout baseball who have had a 1/2 year or 1 season of success in their rookie or 2nd season before they turned to mediocrity.  The names "Super" Joe Charboneau, Jerome Walton, Mike Caruso and our current failing 2nd baseman Gordon Beckham are just a few examples are guys turning into mediocre or even crap players after one good season.  Way, way too early to start predicting Conor Gillaspie as a long term starting third baseman for the White Sox.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 11, 2014, 11:31:21 pm
Andy,

I disagree with your analysis because all the guys you mentioned were great at first, and then flamed out. Conner G flamed out from the get go and that's why we got him cheap, and he is only now showing signs of making it. Its more like Bautista, Arriaeta, and Encarciaon. (excuse the sp) guys that sucked first and then found it. But I agree we need to wait until all-star break next year.

His D needs big time improvement.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2014, 01:10:16 am
Andy,

I disagree with your analysis because all the guys you mentioned were great at first, and then flamed out. Conner G flamed out from the get go and that's why we got him cheap, and he is only now showing signs of making it. Its more like Bautista, Arriaeta, and Encarciaon. (excuse the sp) guys that sucked first and then found it. But I agree we need to wait until all-star break next year.

His D needs big time improvement.

I'll give you Toronto's Bautista and Encarnarcion but Jake Arrieta doesn't yet belong in the discussion as 'one who made it after initially struggling' as Jake, like Conor Gillaspie, has been very good only over a two and a half month span. 

Don't forget Phil Humber had a heck of a good first half when he joined the White Sox in 2011 after failing with the Mets, Twins & Royals.  Everyone thought he 'turned the corner' but other than the perfect game a year later, how'd he turn out?  Esteban Loaiza is another guy 'who found it' back with the White Sox in 2003 with 21 wins and a 2.90 ERA and 'it' only lasted for that 2003 season.



Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 12, 2014, 08:44:21 am
Gillaspie is a true baseball player, we do not have many of those. He is a very good hitter and will only get better as he gets a bit more power. Might fit better at 1B than 3B as a fielder but we have Abreu. I think Gillaspie can maintain this hitting for a long time. He is no flash in the pan.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 12, 2014, 12:49:05 pm
I agree with MSG.  Connor has quick wrists and you can't teach that.   He is only going to get better.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 12, 2014, 01:53:35 pm
I just like that we got a baseball player and not an athlete trying to be a baseball player. Tired of those kind.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 12, 2014, 03:28:46 pm
Hahaha.   MSG, stupid phone. .. can't believe you aren't the standard directory MSF.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 12, 2014, 04:12:43 pm
I was gonna say something, but figured it was an honest mistake. heh
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2014, 04:20:53 pm
I was waiting and hoping that JhonJeter +/or Juan pizzarro showed up to make fun of aka Loveland's mistake before she noticed it.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2014, 10:41:20 pm

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/86986/86986-9836780Fr.jpg)    (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/80203/80203-5767103Fr.jpg)

Rienzo sent down: The Sox optioned right-hander Andre Rienzo to Triple-A Charlotte after Saturday's game and will call up a position player for the series finale Sunday against the Indians.

Rienzo was 4-5 with a 5.87 ERA in 14 games, moving back and forth between the bullpen and rotation. In two relief appearances spanning three innings since June 26, he allowed two earned runs on five hits and three walks.

Infielder Carlos Sanchez wasn't in the lineup in Charlotte on Saturday night and could be an option to fill the opening, which Ventura said would go to a position player because of injuries to Ramirez and center fielder Adam Eaton.

see more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-alexei-ramirez-bits-white-sox-spt-0713-20140713,0,2451713.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-alexei-ramirez-bits-white-sox-spt-0713-20140713,0,2451713.story)

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 13, 2014, 06:26:25 pm
At 5.87, Rienzo is the ace of the bullpen....
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: SoxRule on July 14, 2014, 09:42:53 am
I think he gets traded along with becks before the deadline...

I want Beckham traded too but unless a team is looking for mainly defense at that position, what would we even get for him? He's only hitting .230-something. And I don't know if he's considered the defensive wiz around baseball that Hawk says he is.

It stinks that we don't have a whole lot of guys doing well enough to get something decent. Dunn still sort of stinks and won't net anything other than salary relief, DeAza is nothing special, Viciedo is still too much of an unknown. Alexei is the only one that we can get some decent value, and even he isn't bringing back a top 5 prospect.

The only guys we could trade for a seriously good package are guys we need to keep.

Depressing.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 14, 2014, 10:08:45 am
We can do it without trading a lot. Keep investing in International talent, hopefully ones that contribute right away like Abreu. Sign some FA relievers, a starter, and a catcher. Always lots of outfielders out there to pick up cheap. Granted, it is tougher without good prospects that are tradeable, but we are not that far away. I bet our pen has  blown close to 20 games this year (not just counting blown saves). A better pen saves half of those at minimum. We are not as far away as it looks. We have a 1B, SS, 3B, CF, RF. We have 3-4 starting pitchers.
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: BlackSox on July 14, 2014, 07:50:00 pm
We are two good relievers away from being in the hunt.   How many blown leads in the 8th/9th inning so far?   15?

Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: ISF on July 15, 2014, 10:08:58 am

Gillaspie has four more years of team control remaining and is hitting well in 2014, while offseason acquisition Matt Davidson is floundering in Triple-A. That may make it tough for GM Rick Hahn to deal him, but Gillaspie’s name hasn’t been included among Chicago’s four supposedly unavailable players. The Sox may look at Gillaspie and see unsustainable production (.370 BABIP) coupled with platoon issues and think this is a good time to sell high.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/trade-market-for-third-basemen-3.html
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: msf on July 15, 2014, 01:57:07 pm
Ugh
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: aka Loveland on July 15, 2014, 08:49:22 pm
Booooooo !!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 White Sox / Sox Management
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 15, 2014