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Title: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 11, 2011, 12:46:13 pm
discuss recent trades or rumors of possible trades for the White Sox.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on April 18, 2011, 12:19:49 pm
This been posted yet?

Sox have traded minor league OF Stefan Gartrell to Atlanta (Class AAA Gwinnett) for cash considerations.


http://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/59313010648424448
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on April 18, 2011, 12:44:14 pm
I'd say good for Stefan, but I don't see a place for him in Atlanta either.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on April 18, 2011, 01:27:45 pm
All we got was cash? Not even a player to be named later? That doesnt sound too good to me
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on April 18, 2011, 01:35:47 pm
Thanks Blackie, I had not seen that, I knew someone would have to go once Milledge passed waivers. He made it a lot further than I thought he ever would, been a good player.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: dazed63 on April 18, 2011, 03:27:51 pm
maybe kenny can get us Roberto Alomar or Ken Griffey Jr. to help........
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 18, 2011, 03:44:19 pm
maybe kenny can get us Roberto Alomar or Ken Griffey Jr. to help........

.....and even re-acquire Sandy Alomar, Jr. and Carl (Jurassic Carl) Everett too.</purple>
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on April 18, 2011, 05:47:21 pm
Maybe they can rekindle the Ozzie to the Marlins trade idea
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on April 18, 2011, 05:49:26 pm
was hoping the here would help with relevant posts but guess not.  sigh
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on April 18, 2011, 08:10:30 pm
Think how boring relevant posts would be....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on May 07, 2011, 03:03:26 pm

Mike somebody, on MLBtraderumours.com (I think he's summarizing Ken Rosenthal comments):

Quote
Most expect the White Sox to "snap out of it," but if not, they could be a team to watch as the trade deadline approaches. One GM said Williams is not the type to "sit there in no man's land," so expect some rumblings about free agents to be Mark Buehrle and Edwin Jackson. Some believe Buehrle would only accept a trade to the Cardinals though.
Their most intriguing chips are John Danks and Carlos Quentin, who are under team control as arbitration-eligible players in 2012. Danks could bring a significant return.




If it goes down this way, I'd like to see at least one of Buerhle or Jackson not traded and wind up leaving via free agancy, netting a first-rounder or sandwich pick to blow on Kevin Kouzmanoff three years from now.   


Otherwise, could be an interesting haul for these guys, plus maybe Thornton and Beckham.



Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on May 07, 2011, 05:03:05 pm
I would build around Floyd danks and Humber the rest can go. I would demote beckham and keep the tank in  AAA, if were going to suck I'll demote morel as well. Whatever happend to CJ Rutheford?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on May 07, 2011, 05:05:24 pm
he sucks, too.  If you're going to rebuild, I'd be inclined to give Morel a long leash.  He's not blocking anyone.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on May 07, 2011, 05:36:54 pm
Danks is not going to sign with us. I think he's made that clear by refusing to even discuss a deal with the Sox. It seems he is intent on trying out free agency and if it comes to that someone else will give him more money/years than the Sox. Also, why would he want to sign with our team when we can never score runs for him?

I say KW has to consider trading him if he can get a good haul for him.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2011, 05:42:15 pm
I would build around Floyd danks and Humber the rest can go. I would demote beckham and keep the tank in  AAA, if were going to suck I'll demote morel as well. Whatever happend to CJ Rutheford?

(http://blog.prorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/C.J.-Retherford-223x300.jpg)

After a combined .200/.253/.291 for Birmingham and Charlotte in 2010, C. J. Retherford was released by the CWS at the end of spring training on March 31. 2011.  He's now playing for the Mississippi Braves of the Southern League [Double-A Atlanta Braves club] where he's hitting .179/.267/.299.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rether001cj- (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rether001cj-)

http://blog.prorumors.com/2011/03/rumors/white-sox-release-c-j-retherford/ (http://blog.prorumors.com/2011/03/rumors/white-sox-release-c-j-retherford/)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on May 08, 2011, 10:14:06 am
Danks is not going to sign with us. I think he's made that clear by refusing to even discuss a deal with the Sox. It seems he is intent on trying out free agency and if it comes to that someone else will give him more money/years than the Sox. Also, why would he want to sign with our team when we can never score runs for him?

I say KW has to consider trading him if he can get a good haul for him.

No trading danks till hes in his walk year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on May 08, 2011, 05:16:55 pm
I would build around Floyd danks and Humber the rest can go. I would demote beckham and keep the tank in  AAA, if were going to suck I'll demote morel as well. Whatever happend to CJ Rutheford?

(http://blog.prorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/C.J.-Retherford-223x300.jpg)

After a combined .200/.253/.291 for Birmingham and Charlotte in 2010, C. J. Retherford was released by the CWS at the end of spring training on March 31. 2011.  He's now playing for the Mississippi Braves of the Southern League [Double-A Atlanta Braves club] where he's hitting .179/.267/.299.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rether001cj- (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rether001cj-)

http://blog.prorumors.com/2011/03/rumors/white-sox-release-c-j-retherford/ (http://blog.prorumors.com/2011/03/rumors/white-sox-release-c-j-retherford/)

Didn't know he had sucked so bad, I Tought he had a really good spring and was considered not long ago

(Edited to fix the placement of response to after the quote.)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on May 08, 2011, 08:05:00 pm
Thanks Andy, I'm using my iPod touch and sometimes I do silly things
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on May 13, 2011, 12:59:52 pm
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/carlos-beltrans-trade-value/

Here's a guy who could replace JP.   "C" prospects we've got!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2011, 05:27:36 am
The Jeff Marquez era is now over:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__t6oFjHvLm0/TDl2DLVfdII/AAAAAAAAHNY/-husZmbchaU/s1600/WSCBYJeffMarquez.jpg)

Yankees claim Jeff Marquez

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6642712 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6642712)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2011, 05:29:58 am
The Jeff Marquez era is now over:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/__t6oFjHvLm0/TDl2DLVfdII/AAAAAAAAHNY/-husZmbchaU/s1600/WSCBYJeffMarquez.jpg)

Yankees claim Jeff Marquez

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6642712 (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6642712)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on June 09, 2011, 08:37:05 am
Didnt we get him in the Swisher deal? He never became anything but AAA fodder anyways. The Yankees are hurting for pitching anyways
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 28, 2011, 03:39:28 pm
The Nationals are willing to trade setup man Tyler Clippard, but are looking for a center fielder and have their sights on B.J. Upton.


Hey, Juan Pierre can play CF!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 28, 2011, 03:59:52 pm
Hey, Juan Pierre can play CF!
Yes, but on gappers that Juan Pierre runs down, you need an extra cutoff man out there.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on June 28, 2011, 04:11:58 pm
Maybe they'll take Rios.     Der!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2011, 08:57:55 pm
With the trading deadline approaching Edwin Jackson and Teabag ought to be on the block. I wouldnt cry if Quentin is traded either.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 06, 2011, 09:27:41 pm
I wouldnt cry if Quentin is traded either.

Color me shocked.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2011, 10:33:15 pm
 :P
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2011, 10:36:48 pm
Well Fury says we have to find a spot for his man-crush, Viciedo  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 07, 2011, 01:40:11 pm
http://www.chicagonow.com/white-sox-observer/2011/07/i-understand-the-beachy-for-quentin-rumors-but-id-just-as-soon-not/
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 07, 2011, 02:07:30 pm
Beachy has the look of a front line pitcher.   Quentin has the look of a .270/.850 OPS guy who gets hurt a lot.  Dayan for Q could well be an upgrade.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 07, 2011, 02:09:44 pm
http://www.chicagonow.com/white-sox-observer/2011/07/if-not-pierre-than-who-else-a-white-sox-roster-mystery/
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 07, 2011, 02:19:59 pm
I'll go one step further and suggest we could make two trades and get rid of two outfielders.

Quentin for Beachy, if available, would give us a 7th SP.

I would think we could turn around and offer the Mets Jackson/Pierre for  Carlos Beltran.
The money is similar, if not exact. Both Pierre and Jackson come off the books this year, which would have to be enticing.
Jackson is a serviceable #4 with the potential to be a #1 when he's on.
At worst, those two would each be Type B FAs. With a strong second half, either could be a Type A.

In essence, you would replace Jackson/Quentin/Pierre with Beachy/Beltran/Viciedo and add a year of salary for Beltran.
It would be the type of win now and rebuilding/have my cake and eat it too move KW loves.






Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 07, 2011, 02:26:26 pm
I'll go one step further and suggest we could make two trades and get rid of two outfielders.

Quentin for Beachy, if available, would give us a 7th SP.

I would think we could turn around and offer the Mets Jackson/Pierre for  Carlos Beltran.
The money is similar, if not exact. Both Pierre and Jackson come off the books this year, which would have to be enticing.
Jackson is a serviceable #4 with the potential to be a #1 when he's on.
At worst, those two would each be Type B FAs. With a strong second half, either could be a Type A.

In essence, you would replace Jackson/Quentin/Pierre with Beachy/Beltran/Viciedo and add a year of salary for Beltran.
It would be the type of win now and rebuilding/have my cake and eat it too move KW loves.

I like it.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 07, 2011, 07:27:42 pm
Me thinks Fury would like this lineup better:

Alex Rios - If only.  Well, maybe not.  Even if the Sox found a way to get rid of the prohibitively expensive Rios, it would leave them with an outfield of Viciedo, Quentin, and aging Pierre in center.  In other words, they'd need to score 10 runs a game.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 07, 2011, 08:22:14 pm
Me thinks Fury would like this lineup better:

Alex Rios - If only.  Well, maybe not.  Even if the Sox found a way to get rid of the prohibitively expensive Rios, it would leave them with an outfield of Viciedo, Quentin, and aging Pierre in center.  In other words, they'd need to score 10 runs a game.

They might.

But I already said I like the idea of cutting loose both Quentin and Pierre (agreeing with the ISF proposal).  And Rios is worthless, get rid of him too.

Of course, you'd like an outfield that doesn't generate any RBIs at all.   In your perfect world, the Sox would win every game 1-0 via a balk, steal of second, hit batter, and passed ball.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 07, 2011, 10:47:30 pm
Me thinks Fury would like this lineup better:

Alex Rios - If only.  Well, maybe not.  Even if the Sox found a way to get rid of the prohibitively expensive Rios, it would leave them with an outfield of Viciedo, Quentin, and aging Pierre in center.  In other words, they'd need to score 10 runs a game.

They might.

But I already said I like the idea of cutting loose both Quentin and Pierre (agreeing with the ISF proposal).  And Rios is worthless, get rid of him too.

Of course, you'd like an outfield that doesn't generate any RBIs at all.   In your perfect world, the Sox would win every game 1-0 via a balk, steal of second, hit batter, and passed ball.

My guess is you'd prefer the solo HR.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 08, 2011, 06:09:17 am
Me thinks Fury would like this lineup better:

Alex Rios - If only.  Well, maybe not.  Even if the Sox found a way to get rid of the prohibitively expensive Rios, it would leave them with an outfield of Viciedo, Quentin, and aging Pierre in center.  In other words, they'd need to score 10 runs a game.

They might.

But I already said I like the idea of cutting loose both Quentin and Pierre (agreeing with the ISF proposal).  And Rios is worthless, get rid of him too.

Of course, you'd like an outfield that doesn't generate any RBIs at all.   In your perfect world, the Sox would win every game 1-0 via a balk, steal of second, hit batter, and passed ball.

My guess is you'd prefer the solo HR.  ;D ;D ;D

Nope, the three-run shot, with a couple of RBI doubles and maybe a triple thrown in too.  I like games that end 6-1 or maybe 10-4.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 08, 2011, 07:10:15 am
Me thinks Fury would like this lineup better:

Alex Rios - If only.  Well, maybe not.  Even if the Sox found a way to get rid of the prohibitively expensive Rios, it would leave them with an outfield of Viciedo, Quentin, and aging Pierre in center.  In other words, they'd need to score 10 runs a game.

They might.

But I already said I like the idea of cutting loose both Quentin and Pierre (agreeing with the ISF proposal).  And Rios is worthless, get rid of him too.

Of course, you'd like an outfield that doesn't generate any RBIs at all.   In your perfect world, the Sox would win every game 1-0 via a balk, steal of second, hit batter, and passed ball.

My guess is you'd prefer the solo HR.  ;D ;D ;D

Nope, the three-run shot, with a couple of RBI doubles and maybe a triple thrown in too.  I like games that end 6-1 or maybe 10-4.

Well right now nobody is hitting so like were Viciedo brought up all his hits would be solos, there would be nobody to drive in. And those scores would be the opposition scoring all the runs. See, the pitching staff has to give up at least 5 runs/game.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 08, 2011, 08:21:45 am
Me thinks Fury would like this lineup better:

Alex Rios - If only.  Well, maybe not.  Even if the Sox found a way to get rid of the prohibitively expensive Rios, it would leave them with an outfield of Viciedo, Quentin, and aging Pierre in center.  In other words, they'd need to score 10 runs a game.

They might.

But I already said I like the idea of cutting loose both Quentin and Pierre (agreeing with the ISF proposal).  And Rios is worthless, get rid of him too.

Of course, you'd like an outfield that doesn't generate any RBIs at all.   In your perfect world, the Sox would win every game 1-0 via a balk, steal of second, hit batter, and passed ball.

My guess is you'd prefer the solo HR.  ;D ;D ;D

Nope, the three-run shot, with a couple of RBI doubles and maybe a triple thrown in too.  I like games that end 6-1 or maybe 10-4.

Well right now nobody is hitting so like were Viciedo brought up all his hits would be solos, there would be nobody to drive in. And those scores would be the opposition scoring all the runs. See, the pitching staff has to give up at least 5 runs/game.

The Sox pitching has been decent, overall.  So, expanding on your theory that no one else will get on base and that Viciedo will only hit solo shots, I'd say we have a decent chance of winning quite a few games 3-1 or 3-2, with Viciedo going 3 for 4 in each game.  We might win some extra-inning games 4-3 too.   ;)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 08, 2011, 08:43:13 am
Viciedo going 3-4 in each game?

What the f kinda **** do you guys get to smoke up in MI? send some down to florida.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 08, 2011, 08:48:22 am
Viciedo going 3-4 in each game?

What the f kinda **** do you guys get to smoke up in MI? send some down to florida.

I'm playing with Wshfl, throwing his kind of improbable scenarios back at him.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 08, 2011, 10:29:00 am
Me thinks Fury would like this lineup better:

Alex Rios - If only.  Well, maybe not.  Even if the Sox found a way to get rid of the prohibitively expensive Rios, it would leave them with an outfield of Viciedo, Quentin, and aging Pierre in center.  In other words, they'd need to score 10 runs a game.

They might.

But I already said I like the idea of cutting loose both Quentin and Pierre (agreeing with the ISF proposal).  And Rios is worthless, get rid of him too.

Of course, you'd like an outfield that doesn't generate any RBIs at all.   In your perfect world, the Sox would win every game 1-0 via a balk, steal of second, hit batter, and passed ball.

My guess is you'd prefer the solo HR.  ;D ;D ;D

Nope, the three-run shot, with a couple of RBI doubles and maybe a triple thrown in too.  I like games that end 6-1 or maybe 10-4.

Well right now nobody is hitting so like were Viciedo brought up all his hits would be solos, there would be nobody to drive in. And those scores would be the opposition scoring all the runs. See, the pitching staff has to give up at least 5 runs/game.

The Sox pitching has been decent, overall.  So, expanding on your theory that no one else will get on base and that Viciedo will only hit solo shots, I'd say we have a decent chance of winning quite a few games 3-1 or 3-2, with Viciedo going 3 for 4 in each game.  We might win some extra-inning games 4-3 too.   ;)

3-4? Sheesh! I hope you are aware that his turn at bat only comes after 8 other players bat. If he follows Dunn or some of the other duds nobody will be on base.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 08, 2011, 10:30:51 am
Viciedo going 3-4 in each game?

What the f kinda **** do you guys get to smoke up in MI? send some down to florida.

I'm playing with Wshfl, throwing his kind of improbable scenarios back at him.

I think Method is interested in your stash.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 08, 2011, 10:33:00 am
Viciedo going 3-4 in each game?

What the f kinda **** do you guys get to smoke up in MI? send some down to florida.

I'm playing with Wshfl, throwing his kind of improbable scenarios back at him.

I think Method is interested in your stash.

I don't smoke... anything.  I'm pretty old fashioned.  I drink.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 08, 2011, 06:18:44 pm
The Astros have claimed right-hander Lucas Harrell from the White Sox, according to Zachary Levine of the Houston Chronicle (Twitter link). The move fills Houston's 40-man roster and creates a spot on Chicago's roster, which now stands at 37.

The White Sox selected Harrell in the fourth round of the 2004 draft and the 26-year-old has had brief stints in the majors in each of the past two seasons. In 29 big league innings, he has a 5.28 ERA with 6.2 K/9 and 5.6 BB/9 and over the course of seven minor league seasons, Harrell has a 3.79 ERA with 6.0 K/9 and 4.3 BB/9.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 08, 2011, 08:57:29 pm
Gavin Floyd for a solid hitting RFer.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 08, 2011, 09:00:01 pm
Gavin Floyd for a solid hitting RFer.

C'mon, you don't like players who can hit.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 08, 2011, 09:01:23 pm
Gavin Floyd for a solid hitting RFer.

C'mon, you don't like players who can hit.

I like the ones who can hit and field well
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 08, 2011, 09:03:03 pm
I hope we clean house at the trading deadline
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 09, 2011, 11:49:45 am
They seem bad, veryickybad. . .yet they are only 5.5 out (7 in loss column) with a long way to go. If a couple of these knobs even string together 10-15 games where they are hitting to HALF their potential, they somehow can stick around. . . and they do have pitching.
 
That being said, they do indeed blow.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 09, 2011, 12:12:07 pm
They seem bad, veryickybad. . .yet they are only 5.5 out (7 in loss column) with a long way to go. If a couple of these knobs even string together 10-15 games where they are hitting to HALF their potential, they somehow can stick around. . . and they do have pitching.
 
That being said, they do indeed blow.

Yup like Sleepy and Will the Thrill.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 09, 2011, 03:25:28 pm
They seem bad, veryickybad. . .yet they are only 5.5 out (7 in loss column) with a long way to go. If a couple of these knobs even string together 10-15 games where they are hitting to HALF their potential, they somehow can stick around. . . and they do have pitching.
 
That being said, they do indeed blow.

Yup like Sleepy and Will the Thrill.

Gee, maybe you should explain these nicknames you've created.  Don't just keep them in your private little world.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 09, 2011, 03:41:35 pm
 Boy, say what you want about Derek Jeter and how he's overrated or whanot but the guy is Mr. Showtime. Hits a homer for his 3,000 hit and goes 5-5 in the game.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 09, 2011, 03:53:38 pm
Oops, actually meant to post that in the Around Baseball thread.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 10, 2011, 07:42:11 pm
They blow so much there's stretch marks...ah, wait, family board and all that...never mind.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 11, 2011, 08:12:25 pm
Solid hitting OF? What for? We acquire bats and they become worthless, not sure why, hard to believe it is just due to Walker.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 11, 2011, 08:51:39 pm
It must be the unfair pressure playing in a hitters park puts on these guys...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 12, 2011, 10:48:28 am
•Edwin Jackson - It’s not surprising that clubs are inquiring on Jackson given that he has posted a 4.05 ERA with 9.1 K/9 and 1.4 BB/9 this month. And his 2.52 xFIP suggests he has pitched better than his ERA indicates.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 12, 2011, 12:30:33 pm
•Edwin Jackson - It’s not surprising that clubs are inquiring on Jackson given that he has posted a 4.05 ERA with 9.1 K/9 and 1.4 BB/9 this month. And his 2.52 xFIP suggests he has pitched better than his ERA indicates.


Good, cut him loose and get a good hitter for him.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 12, 2011, 04:16:12 pm
•Edwin Jackson - It’s not surprising that clubs are inquiring on Jackson given that he has posted a 4.05 ERA with 9.1 K/9 and 1.4 BB/9 this month. And his 2.52 xFIP suggests he has pitched better than his ERA indicates.


Good, cut him loose and get a good hitter for him.

Fine by me provided he isnt another glorified DH
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 12, 2011, 08:42:05 pm
•Edwin Jackson - It’s not surprising that clubs are inquiring on Jackson given that he has posted a 4.05 ERA with 9.1 K/9 and 1.4 BB/9 this month. And his 2.52 xFIP suggests he has pitched better than his ERA indicates.


Good, cut him loose and get a good hitter for him.

Fine by me provided he isnt another glorified DH

Sounds to me like you should be a fan of a National League team.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 12, 2011, 09:25:50 pm
•Edwin Jackson - It’s not surprising that clubs are inquiring on Jackson given that he has posted a 4.05 ERA with 9.1 K/9 and 1.4 BB/9 this month. And his 2.52 xFIP suggests he has pitched better than his ERA indicates.


Good, cut him loose and get a good hitter for him.

Fine by me provided he isnt another glorified DH

Sounds to me like you should be a fan of a National League team.

I have never been a fan of any National League team
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on July 13, 2011, 01:46:30 pm
I propose this board gets renamed "Dayan Viciedo Watch."
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 13, 2011, 03:02:19 pm
I am waiting for Fury to expect those 3 hrs every 4 times he comes up. God even Ruth wasnt that prolific. We havent had anybody in history who has batted ,750.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 13, 2011, 05:57:53 pm
I propose this board gets renamed "Dayan Viciedo Watch."

As in "Watch Dayan Viciedo get traded?" 
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 13, 2011, 08:34:22 pm
I propose this board gets renamed "Dayan Viciedo Watch."

Done. Or should I say 'Dunn'.  Temporary name change for the next few days.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 13, 2011, 08:52:03 pm

Done. Or should I say 'Dunn'.  Temporary name change for the next few days.

Can't we have a really cool name like WSI....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 14, 2011, 10:08:51 am
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What's all this I hear about Diane Vissiado's watch?   Who is she, and why does everyone care about what she uses to tell time?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 14, 2011, 10:28:32 am
KW is going to trade her
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 14, 2011, 01:25:08 pm
Quentin rumors weren’t the only buzzards circling the Sox. There were whispers that it could be “Black Monday’’ for one or several coaches. According to a source, removing coaches still is not a path chairman Jerry Reinsdorf wants to walk down. Williams is a different story, but the chairman gets what the chairman wants.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/cowley/6466991-452/white-sox-carlos-quentin-dealing-with-loss-to-twins-trade-rumors.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on July 20, 2011, 01:22:10 pm
This would be a great time to deal Quentin.  Kenny can even bring up Viciedo to play right and pretend he's still all in.


At the very least, they should trade Jackson for a right-handed reliever and a prospect, and then bring up Viciedo and send Sale down to get stretched out for when Peavy goes down again in case he's needed to start for them this year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 20, 2011, 02:44:24 pm
This would be a great time to deal Quentin.  Kenny can even bring up Viciedo to play right and pretend he's still all in.


At the very least, they should trade Jackson for a right-handed reliever and a prospect, and then bring up Viciedo and send Sale down to get stretched out for when Peavy goes down again in case he's needed to start for them this year.

I can sympathize with that if its ones opinion that right around the corner Peavey is going to breakdown.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2011, 03:57:59 pm
I heard this from Garfien on the post game show. He said the Cardinals need a starter. He said they were hot for Edwin Jackson. He said either Thornton or Jackson for Colby Rasmus. Garfien said it was a hot rumor.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2011, 04:13:27 pm
From MLB trade rumors:

Cardinals, White Sox Talking Colby Rasmus
By Luke Adams [July 24 at 10:56am CST]

Despite publicly insisting they don't intend to trade Colby Rasmus, the Cardinals have engaged in discussions with the White Sox about the outfielder, reports Joe Strauss of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Strauss says talks between the two teams have "accelerated" within the last few days.

According to Strauss, Edwin Jackson and Matt Thornton are among the players who could interest the Cardinals. The Cards would also be looking for minor league talent from the White Sox, and a third team "may be sought to facilitate a deal."

The Nationals and Rays also remain interested in Rasmus, who has seen a recent decline in his playing time as Jon Jay has taken over as St. Louis's primary center fielder.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2011, 05:10:35 pm
Garfien also said that we shouldnt expect a Viciedo callup soon as he injured his thumb, the same one he broke in ST.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 25, 2011, 12:53:55 pm
Here's a rumor for ya:

cst_Cowley cst_Cowley

And as far as the whole Dunn not having fun story ... according to one Sox official, having too much fun might be his real problem.

Being the fun-lovin guy that likes to have a few c0cktails after games works when you're hitting 30-40 homers a year ....

.... when you're not, grab a few clubhouse brews and just chill in the room. Perception is everything. #TheBrianAndersonRule

Memo to Dunn: shadow Paul Konerko and do everything he does during the season and in the offseason. You'll be fine.

24 Jul »



PS:  I had to re-word "c0cktails" because when left as is, the board changes it to ****tails.  Hilarious.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 25, 2011, 02:05:22 pm
if that is the case, bench his fat a+ssss
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 26, 2011, 08:12:39 am
At least KW tried to get Victor Martinez before settling for Dunn. Damn, that would have made a ton of difference.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 26, 2011, 09:08:29 am
Think about some of the other guys KW tried to get that would have made a ton of difference:  Torii Hunter should be roaming CF and then we wouldn't be stuck with Rios and Miguel Cabrera could have been our DH.

Of course, that's assuming both guys wouldn't automatically lose their skills upon putting on a White Sox uniform.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 26, 2011, 09:15:57 am
Walker would still be the hitting coach....

Rios didnt have any skills before he got here... thats why the Jays let him and his albatross of a contract walk away.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 26, 2011, 01:19:51 pm
Walker would still be the hitting coach....

Rios didnt have any skills before he got here... thats why the Jays let him and his albatross of a contract walk away.

I don't think there's a lack of talent there, with Rios.

I think there's no fire in the belly.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 26, 2011, 01:45:34 pm
He doesnt have the fire because he already has the big money contract and is set for life. All he has to do is go through the motions.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 26, 2011, 02:13:08 pm
He doesnt have the fire because he already has the big money contract and is set for life. All he has to do is go through the motions.

Well, he was criticized by Blue Jays fans for having no motivation when he played in Toronto.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 09:16:23 am
I hear JR wants to cut payroll so that seems to mean we are going to be sellers at the deadline.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 09:27:27 am
Jackson & Teahen to the Blue Jays for a bag of balls?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 09:29:33 am
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources tell @jonmorosi that #WhiteSox-#BlueJays deal is close. Jackson, Teahen to TOR. Frasor-plus to CWS. Money could be in deal. #MLB
2 minutes ago »

 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Sources: #WhiteSox in serious talks on EJax, Teahen to #BlueJays for Frasor and prospect. Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline #MLB
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 09:30:37 am
I understand Reinsdorf's wish to clear salary.  Unfortunately they can't get rid of the three guys who cost the most.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 09:35:36 am
here's another one for you:

DeAza was pulled from the Knights game last night, and there's speculation he's being called up.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 10:05:43 am
CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen
No official roster announcement. Teahen speculation. Stay tuned.
4 minutes ago »

 CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen
De aza starting in center field for sox
9 minutes ago
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 10:06:18 am
Joelsherman1 Joel Sherman
Hear #Whitesox Edwin Jackson to #Bluejays close, but not complete yet because $$ not yet approved and Tor trying to spin him to another team
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 10:07:12 am
My sources are telling me that the BJs are trying to spin E-Jax to StL for Rasmus.   heh.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 10:20:37 am
Wow, I was just kidding about theat last post, but basments across the Chicagoland area are abuzz with the rumor that the BJs are in fact looking to flip Jackson to the Cards.

This trade just gets stupider & stupider.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 27, 2011, 10:24:08 am
But a Jackson/Rasmus deal makes sense if Toronto is packaging others with him...I can't believe it would be a one-for-one swap...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 10:24:46 am
Frasor?

WTF.... Give me Rasmus.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 10:38:38 am
Why would we trade JAckson for a 33 year old reliever? just so the blue jays can get a hot young CF in return for him...

makes no sense.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 10:40:17 am
9:21am: The White Sox are in serious talks for a deal that would send starter Edwin Jackson and third baseman Mark Teahen to the Blue Jays for reliever Jason Frasor and a prospect, tweets Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  Rosenthal's colleague Jon Paul Morosi says this deal is close and money could be involved.  The rumor was first reported ten hours ago on Twitter by a fellow named Doug Seyller.

The Jays' motivation for renting Jackson for two months and taking on a bad contract in Teahen is unclear.  There doesn't appear to be a draft pick angle, as both Jackson and Frasor project as Type Bs.  Perhaps Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos is considering flipping Jackson to a contender.

The White Sox were known to be seeking bullpen help, and Frasor has a club option for next year.  The Sox could also subtract a reliever, as Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports that they're talking to the Cardinals about Matt Thornton.  Maybe Kenny Williams' goal in the Jackson trade is to shed the $9.7MM left on the contracts of the two veterans, though we need to see the quality of the prospect involved.  Sox pitchers John Danks and Gavin Floyd are also on the market, according to Rosenthal.  The White Sox are currently 4.5 games out in the AL Central with another game against the Tigers tonight.


Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 10:40:20 am
Prospect better be a good one.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 10:43:41 am
Better be a really really good prospect.

Is teabag under contract for next year?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 10:44:45 am
Seems we are trading Jackson to Toronto and getting back a reliever so that we can send Thornton to the Cardinals for hopefully Rasmus
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 27, 2011, 10:45:27 am
Yup...he's scheduled to make $5.5M in 2012.  Blech.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 27, 2011, 10:46:15 am
Better be a really really good prospect.

Is teabag under contract for next year?

Yup...he's scheduled to make $5.5M in 2012.  Blech.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 10:47:37 am
Too bad Toronto wouldnt take back Rios. But we need a LH bat because Done isnt hitting and neither is AJ.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 27, 2011, 10:47:43 am
I think Wshfl may be onto something there with Thornton-for-Rasmus...

Good call.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 10:49:39 am
Cardinals need a closer.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 10:51:15 am
Sounds like the deal is done and will be announced by Kenny in about 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 27, 2011, 10:51:53 am
Quote
Danks, Floyd also on market. #tradedeadline

We better be getting major league ready pitchers in return then. I don't mind trading these guys if we can get a good haul back but I do not want to go back to the days where we had no pitching. I couldn't stomach watching 2 or 3 Danny Wrights in the rotation for the next few years.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 27, 2011, 10:57:09 am
Too bad Toronto wouldnt take back Rios.

My hunch is that they would be the VERY last ones to take a Rios, even for free.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 10:59:55 am
Interesting tidbit that came out of that was DeAza starting in CF today. Something giving on Rios?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: TheCamel on July 27, 2011, 11:12:20 am
Trade done, seems like a decent move:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/toronto_blue_jays/index.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 11:24:53 am
Interesting tidbit that came out of that was DeAza starting in CF today. Something giving on Rios?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/3793/alex-rios

Rotoworld is suggesting the Sox are FINALLY benching Rios.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 11:26:20 am
Interesting tidbit that came out of that was DeAza starting in CF today. Something giving on Rios?

the Sox promoted outfielder Alejandro De Aza and he is in the starting lineup for Wednesday's game against the Tigers. Slump-ridden Alex Rios is headed for the bench, with Williams saying that should be a warning to the entire team, not just Rios.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-report-sox-in-talks-to-deal-jackson-teahen-for-jays-frasor-20110727,0,570659.story
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 27, 2011, 11:26:41 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/07/blue-jays-acquire-edwin-jackson-teahen-for-frasor-plus.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 11:28:23 am
Sox sending zero dollars in the deal --
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 27, 2011, 11:35:39 am
Frasor is a Saluki, so I already like the deal.

Getting Stewart could help ease the pain of losing Hudson. He'll have to improve that WHIP though.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 11:37:52 am
So Jackson gets dealt at the deadline in two consecutive years, both times in potential "flip" deals?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 11:39:46 am
So then we're just basically giving up jackson for salary relief from teabag.

ouch.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 11:40:40 am
would rather they eat Teabag's salary...

Send Thorny and jackson to cards for Rasmus.

Then trade Q to the braves and move Rios back to RF. start Rasmus everyday in CF.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 27, 2011, 11:40:44 am
So what does it all mean?

I guess it's still KW on the fence regarding this season right? They still have 4 1/2 starters, subtraction of Teahen means little for this season, etc.   .  . so are they still "all in"?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 11:44:25 am
Our offense blows... we are all in with pitching.

If hes trading Danks he better get a truck load of talent back.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 11:44:44 am
So what does it all mean?

I guess it's still KW on the fence regarding this season right? They still have 4 1/2 starters, subtraction of Teahen means little for this season, etc.   .  . so are they still "all in"?

If they become the dark horse in the Carlos Beltran sweepstakes, then yes - they are "all in."
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 11:48:09 am
temperatures rising in area basements:

Trade of Rasmus to Toronto imminent for Jackson, Dotel, Rzepczynski

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 27, 2011, 11:48:25 am
Beltran is a Boras client, no?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 11:49:32 am
Beltran is a Boras client, no?

As is Jackson.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 11:50:09 am
Rzepczynski

Has he ever faced AJ?  Imagine Harry Carey calling that one....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 11:51:46 am
wow... we can beat that package... send thorny and jackson over there ourselves and we get rasmus...

are we that desperate to dump salary?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 11:52:05 am
My guess is Colby Rasmus would solve the CF problem. I cant believe the Mets are playing Beltran in CF. I doubt we are a player for Beltran. I would expect we are still in the Rasmus sweepstakes. I believe the Cardinals still want Thornton.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 27, 2011, 11:54:02 am
I don't see Kenny's machinations making the Sox better, except possibly by subtraction.  And whatever happens, we're still stuck with Rios.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 27, 2011, 11:54:43 am
temperatures rising in area basements:

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Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 27, 2011, 11:56:11 am
You can't fool us... that second pic is you, Jeter.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 11:56:43 am
Is there a computer lab in the basement of your condo?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 27, 2011, 12:01:14 pm
I'll be happy to see the new blood.

Also, I'm not sure you could ever really pay too much to get rid of Teahen.  As long as they keep insisting that he contnue to take up a roster spot and even appear in a game from time to time.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 27, 2011, 12:04:46 pm
Note the fourth pic, one of the basementeers has been standing (or sitting rather) quite a vigil waiting for something to happen:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4863826224_86443ce71e_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 27, 2011, 12:06:17 pm
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20110727&content_id=22368452&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

Prior to today's game vs. Detroit, the Chicago White Sox acquired right-handed pitchers Jason Frasor and Zach Stewart from the Toronto Blue Jays in exchange for right-hander Edwin Jackson and infielder Mark Teahen. Stewart will be optioned to Class AAA Charlotte.

Frasor, 33, is 2-1 with a 2.98 ERA (14 ER/42.1 IP) and 37 strikeouts in 44 relief appearances with Toronto this season. The 5-foot-9, 180-pounder is tied for the team lead with 10 holds and has limited opponents to a .244 (38-156) average, including a .228 (18-79) mark by right-handers.

A native of Chicago who resides in Oak Forest, Ill., Frasor has gone 24-28 with a 3.69 ERA (189 ER/461.0 IP) and 426 strikeouts in 455 appearances over eight major-league seasons, all with Toronto (2004-11). He has posted 36 saves and 71 holds while averaging 8.3 strikeouts per 9.0 IP. Opponents have batted just .235 (403-1,715) against Frasor, with right-handers hitting .226 (212-937).

Frasor's best season came in 2009 when he went 7-3 with a 2.50 ERA (16 ER/57.2 IP) and 11 saves in 61 games with the Blue Jays and held right-handers to a .140 (14-100) batting average.

Frasor was acquired by the Blue Jays from Los Angeles-NL on March 30, 2004 in return for outfielder Jason Werth. He attended Oak Forest High School and graduated from Southern Illinois University.

Stewart, 24, was 5-5 with a 4.20 ERA (44 ER/94.1 IP) in 16 starts with Class AA New Hampshire this season and was named to the Eastern League midseason All-Star Team. He also went 0-1 with a 4.86 ERA (9 ER/16.2 IP) in his first three major-league starts with Toronto, making his debut on June 16 vs. Baltimore (2 ER/7.0 IP).

The 6-foot-2, 205-pounder has gone 18-13 with a 3.05 ERA (125 ER/368.2 IP) in 100 games (56 starts) over four minor-league seasons. Stewart was selected by Cincinnati in the third round of the 2008 draft, and then traded to Toronto with infielder Edwin Encarnacion and pitcher Josh Roenicke on August 1, 2009 in exchange for third baseman Scott Rolen.

Jackson, 27, is 7-7 with a 3.92 ERA (53 ER/121.2 IP) and 97 strikeouts in 19 starts this season. He was acquired from Arizona on July 31, 2010 in exchange for pitchers David Holmberg and Daniel Hudson and went 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA (80 ER/196.2 IP) and 174 strikeouts in 30 starts with the Sox.

Teahen, 29, batted .209 (24-115) with three home runs and 11 RBI in 50 games with the Sox this season. He was acquired from Kansas City on November 6, 2009 in exchange for infielders Chris Getz and Josh Fields and hit .241 (84-348) with seven homers and 36 RBI in 127 games from 2010-11.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 27, 2011, 12:07:33 pm
Rasmus looks alot like Rios this year.

We need to line up our next pitching wave. Stewart is a nice pickup and the subtraction of Teahen certainly doesn't hurt.
You can't be paying a useless utility guy that kind of money.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 27, 2011, 12:17:38 pm
No no - that is a hoarder.  It is the new excuse for simply not taking out the trash.  Ever.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 27, 2011, 12:26:08 pm
Note the fourth pic, one of the basementeers has been standing (or sitting rather) quite a vigil waiting for something to happen:

(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4114/4863826224_86443ce71e_b.jpg)

Looks like a lot of Coke was consumed with either some Chinese or Mexican (can't tell) food.  I fear for the public if that guy is now out walking the streets.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 27, 2011, 12:38:10 pm
The Cardinals will send Rasmus, Trever Miller, Brian Tallet, and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for Jackson, Rzepczynski, Dotel, and Corey Patterson, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney.  Olney adds that Miller is then expected to be traded to the White Sox.


Not sure what we'd do with Miller, unless Ohman is going somewhere. They're the same guy.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 12:47:18 pm
So we basically ended up trading Hudson for Stewart?

yuck.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 12:49:19 pm
So we basically ended up trading Hudson for Stewart?

yuck.

Hudson and Teahen for Stewart.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 27, 2011, 12:56:08 pm
Note the fourth pic

Is that an Incredible Hulk top sheet hung over the doorway like a curtain?  Sweet!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 27, 2011, 12:58:01 pm
So we basically ended up trading Hudson for Stewart?

yuck.

Hudson and Teahen for Stewart.

And a year's worth of Jackson.

Let's face it - if we had any resemblance of an offense, we're in 1st place and Jackson goes nowhere.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on July 27, 2011, 01:13:00 pm
Stewart sounds like a typical KW/Coop project -- high pedigree guy who is stumbling.  Don't mind that pickup, just thought we could get more for Jackson.

Looking at the package Tor sent, STL got a starter, reliever, 4th OF-type . . . not sure how much salary Tor had to take on in all those guys, but that was probably the sticking point for STL on a direct trade.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 27, 2011, 01:21:36 pm
According to one fansite it seems some cards fans are very unhappy with what they received in the trade.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 27, 2011, 01:22:16 pm
Is that an Incredible Hulk top sheet hung over the doorway like a curtain?  Sweet!

hahah, I was trying to figure out what was going on there too. I thought at first those were sheets thrown over the windows to keep evil dreaded sunlight out. But I think you're right, it's a stylish doorway dressing, like a Japanese screen. It looks to be a sheet of several superheroes, I also see Spiderman- but who the hell is Ghost Rider?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 27, 2011, 01:52:49 pm
Rasmus looks alot like Rios this year.

We need to line up our next pitching wave. Stewart is a nice pickup and the subtraction of Teahen certainly doesn't hurt.
You can't be paying a useless utility guy that kind of money.

I am with you ISF, I like the trade, we dump salary, which we all new would happen. We got a decent reliever and we already have 5 starters. Rasmus is not well liked in StL
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 27, 2011, 01:53:20 pm
temperatures rising in area basements:

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...and Shoe's old stalker, Chris27, is anxiously awaiting Jim Hendry's return from the all-you-can-eat buffet to see what his beloved Cubbies can do in the trade market:

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Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 02:38:42 pm
Rotoworld reports that the Phils have "done their homework" on Quentin.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on July 27, 2011, 03:31:08 pm
Kenny raped again
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 27, 2011, 06:12:34 pm
Rasmus looks alot like Rios this year.

We need to line up our next pitching wave. Stewart is a nice pickup and the subtraction of Teahen certainly doesn't hurt.
You can't be paying a useless utility guy that kind of money.

I am with you ISF, I like the trade, we dump salary, which we all new would happen. We got a decent reliever and we already have 5 starters. Rasmus is not well liked in StL

I like the trade a lot.  Got rid of some salary, BP is stronger, and got a solid young pitcher back.  Rasmus blows.  Cancer and corey p redux
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 27, 2011, 06:13:43 pm
Rotoworld reports that the Phils have "done their homework" on Quentin.

if KW gets a real good young player back for Q, I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on July 27, 2011, 06:21:47 pm
Think Kenny could have held out a lil longer with Jackson, maybe a team would have gotten desperate and given more, but that's just speculation on my part
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2011, 07:31:00 pm
Quentin to the Phillies for what?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 07:39:21 pm
Brown straight up. no less.

I agree with Josh. Yankees are DESPERATE for pitching, and are a club that can take on salary... Send Jackson to them for Montero+

Why take back an old type b FA and a project prospect.

Esp when the value of your players can be sold to the highest bidder.

This Jon F'n Adkins et al all over.

Fire KW and GW. Promote Hahn and start spending in the draft... Even TB has figured out spending on the draft is worth it.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2011, 07:46:28 pm
Stewart btw... will b 24 in September and still dicking around in AA... Toronto basically ends up spending 12 mill of hte 94 million they saved dumping Alex POS Rios on us for Rasmus and 3 prospects... yippppeee.

Can we please fire KW now?

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 10:02:07 pm
To be somewhat fair, the BJs have misused Stewart.   Hopefully the Sox convert him to relief and tell him to stop with the "four mediocre pitches".
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2011, 10:15:48 pm
Found this on Sox(S)talk.   Read from the bottom up.

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
@
@RaceX Odds that this get's done is good. However, I have not spoken with my source since the Weeks injury.I doubt that would snag this deal
54 minutes ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
That's being worked out right now, from what I am told.
1 hour ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
The latest I received from my source is that the only snag in the deal is $ shipped with Rios and prospect/s from the Brewers.
1 hour ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
these players, and these teams. Nothing against the Brewers and White Sox,but if I wanted to play games, it would be a bigger market/names.
1 hour ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
Take it for what it's worth, if I wanted to pick players and teams to produce some far fetched rumor/trade, why on earth would I pick...
1 hour ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
no website to plug,could absolutely care less about followers,etc.Just a normal guy with an inside track to a trade that's being worked out.
1 hour ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
Clarification:I have no rooting interests in either ball club,nor players involved in trade being negotiated.I'm not a beat writer,blogger..
1 hour ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
A bit surprised to hear that Eduardo Escobar could potentially be involved in this same deal from the White Sox.
4 hours ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
Nothing is final, and with as much money as Rios is owed, I am sure a lot of specifics are being worked out in terms $ eaten by White Sox
4 hours ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
I don't care about being the "source" that broke the news for those asking, but the information being relayed is from someone close to talks
4 hours ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
Still gathering minor league players being discussed from both teams in the Gamel to White Sox trade #whitesox #brewers.
5 hours ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
Nothing is final quite yet, but the White Sox are expected to eat most of Rios's remaining $, and Thornton will be a centerpiece.
5 hours ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
Centerpiece in the Gamel to White Sox trade is Thornton/Rios,still gathering more in terms of farm players being discussed. WS eating Rios $
5 hours ago

MrFantasyExpert Fantasy Expert
Mat Gamel to the White Sox talks have intensified.....something could come of this as soon as later on this evening #brewers

http://twitter.com/#!/MrFantasyExpert
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 10:59:54 pm
Think Kenny could have held out a lil longer with Jackson, maybe a team would have gotten desperate and given more, but that's just speculation on my part

I was actually hoping for Kyle Drabek from the 'Jays.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 28, 2011, 08:40:43 am
Drabek would have been a nice get.

All for Rios being on his way to another team... hope we dont have togive up to much in dollars... we're obviously not getting much in terms of players back if mat Gamel is the centerpiece of the deal.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 28, 2011, 09:15:44 am
I woke up expecting to hear that Rios was gone.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 09:36:29 am
Blackie I never saw any trade proposed in that Sox talk stuff, just a bunch of chatter that maybe the Brewers and Sox are maybe talking
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 28, 2011, 09:45:08 am
Crossing my fingers on this one... still, the idea of Rios being gone makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2011, 09:48:06 am
Crossing my fingers on this one... still, the idea of Rios being gone makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside...

Me too.

And I hope Rios turns it around and starts raking, thereby giving more fuel to the "Fire Greg Walker" fire.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 10:04:57 am
Rios for who?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 28, 2011, 10:07:41 am
Rios for who?

Wshfl, did you read Black Sox's post #154?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 28, 2011, 10:08:52 am
Maybe he read it from the top down.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 28, 2011, 10:11:24 am
Mat Gamel's minor league stats:

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Mat%20Gamel&pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=451143
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 10:17:34 am
Rios for who?

Wshfl, did you read Black Sox's post #154?

Yes and I couldnt make heads or tails about it.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 10:21:26 am
A minor league 3Bman?  I thought we had one of those down in Charlotte playing RF.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 28, 2011, 10:36:44 am
A minor league 3Bman?  I thought we had one of those down in Charlotte playing RF.

Nope, the guy you are referring to is actually a major-league ball crusher.   ;D   :P
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 11:04:16 am
A minor league 3Bman?  I thought we had one of those down in Charlotte playing RF.

Nope, the guy you are referring to is actually a major-league ball crusher.   ;D   :P

I hope he stays away from my pants if he is
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 28, 2011, 11:47:34 am
Maybe he read it from the top down.


Heh.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 28, 2011, 11:49:43 am
Still waiting for someone to bash that guy's twitter name.

...or to write a parody song about him to the Traffic classic...

Dear Mr. Fantasy (Expert)
Give us a rumor
Something, that makes all all happy (like trading Rios)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2011, 12:07:30 pm
good lord.   if we eat 90% of the salary and get a player back, DO IT!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 28, 2011, 12:11:15 pm
I really don't think JR will want to eat anything close to the $42M dollars owed to Rios through 2014. 

I bet their willing to part with $10M, max.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2011, 12:13:04 pm
he's already eating it.   paying Rios all of his money but playing a better player is better use of the $38mm
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2011, 12:14:00 pm
THURSDAY, 7:20am: The Phillies loved what they saw scouting Quentin, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today, but the White Sox plan to keep him.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2011, 12:15:05 pm
Law loves what Toronto did and doesn't understand Chicago's move.

Stewart, 24, ranked 44th among Keith Law's top 100 prospects prior to the season.  Stewart, who Law said has number two starter potential, posted a 4.20 ERA, 7.1 K/9, 2.6 BB/9, and 0.6 HR/9 in 94 1/3 innings this year at Double-A.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 28, 2011, 12:15:11 pm
THURSDAY, 7:20am: The Phillies loved what they saw scouting Quentin, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today, but the White Sox plan to keep him.

That's just KW's way of saying "sweeten the pot a little more and we may have a deal."
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 28, 2011, 12:16:57 pm
As I posted in the AB thread, I think Rios can still be valuable - hell, even back to AS-caliber form - with the right hitting coach, but JR and KW need to stop this blind loyalty crap and make it happen.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 28, 2011, 12:17:38 pm
Word around the campfire is Kenny is waiting until Sunday to spark a bidding war between the Phils & the BoSox.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on July 28, 2011, 12:30:40 pm
Gamel'll be flipped for Aramis Ramirez.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 28, 2011, 12:37:25 pm
Word around the campfire is Kenny is waiting until Sunday to spark a bidding war between the Phils & the BoSox.


...and the Braves


Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
 Braves "hot" for Quentin - and #WhiteSox love ATL's young arms. One holdup... the condition of Viciedo's thumb at AAA. Would replace Quentin for #WhiteSox. Hasn't played since Saturday. #Braves #tradedeadline #MLB
20 minutes ago »
 

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 28, 2011, 12:53:36 pm
Q for Beachy and Teheran. DO IT!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2011, 01:04:37 pm
Q for Beachy and Teheran. DO IT!

I'm going to say NO to Beachy.  My reasons can be summarized by this picture:

(http://www.blogcdn.com/mlb.fanhouse.com/media/2010/09/brandon-beachy-307aj092010.jpg)
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 28, 2011, 01:16:45 pm
Still waiting for someone to bash that guy's twitter name.

...or to write a parody song about him to the Traffic classic...

Dear Mr. Fantasy (Expert)
Give us a rumor
Something, that makes all all happy (like trading Rios)

Get us a hitter who can make us all clap
who will drive in runs and make it snappy
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 28, 2011, 01:32:14 pm
Q for Beachy and Teheran. DO IT!

I'm going to say NO to Beachy.  My reasons can be summarized by this picture:

(http://www.blogcdn.com/mlb.fanhouse.com/media/2010/09/brandon-beachy-307aj092010.jpg)

Meh. Whatever. Hes really really good. He has very low milage on his arm, i think he'd b a GREAT addition.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 28, 2011, 01:35:35 pm
I don't want him just because of his name.

Ghey.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2011, 01:36:03 pm
Q for Beachy and Teheran. DO IT!

I'm going to say NO to Beachy.  My reasons can be summarized by this picture:

(http://www.blogcdn.com/mlb.fanhouse.com/media/2010/09/brandon-beachy-307aj092010.jpg)

Meh. Whatever. Hes really really good. He has very low milage on his arm, i think he'd b a GREAT addition.

Suit yourself.

Care to make a bet that he'll last through 2014 as a full-time starter without undergoing elbow or shoulder surgery?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 28, 2011, 01:47:41 pm
And Atlanta has a pretty good track record with pitchers, i.e., keeping those who end up being good for an extended period of time. I'd be really careful about taking a pitcher they're willing to part with.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 02:04:02 pm
THURSDAY, 7:20am: The Phillies loved what they saw scouting Quentin, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today, but the White Sox plan to keep him.

Fools
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 28, 2011, 03:09:36 pm
•Stark has updated his take on Carlos Quentin's availability.  He says there is "increasing evidence the White Sox are talking to several teams about Quentin, one of which is believed to be Atlanta."  An executive of a team that has talked to the Sox says that while they are not "bound and determined" to trade Quentin, they would do it.


The White Sox dangled Adam Dunn.  Dunn has over $48MM remaining on the four-year, $56MM deal he signed in December.


Which bridge did we dangle him from?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 28, 2011, 03:11:31 pm
Didnt think we could trade Dunn the first year after he signs...

Put him on waivers and see if someone claims him...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 03:12:16 pm
Hopefully the one closest to Alcatraz
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2011, 03:13:40 pm
Didnt think we could trade Dunn the first year after he signs...

Until June 1, I think.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 03:19:13 pm
I'd be OK with putting Dunn on waivers.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on July 28, 2011, 05:22:07 pm
Quentin will get moved for a couple of prospects.  One of those will be flipped for Aramis Ramirez.

Thornton to the Yanks for Montero.

Still good enough to make a run for it this year.  Danks can be moved in offseason, if they really want to do that.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 28, 2011, 05:29:59 pm
What do the Sox want with Ramirez?  He's aging, seems to go on the DL twice a year, and gets 5-10 extra HRs a year by playing in Wragley.  If they're going to cut bait on Rios, go make a deal for a CF. 

Is Colby Rasmus available?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 28, 2011, 06:49:34 pm
HAH!

Not after we basically gave him to the bloody Jays.

Is the whole rios goes to another team thing done yet?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2011, 06:56:08 pm
What do the Sox want with Ramirez?  He's aging, seems to go on the DL twice a year, and gets 5-10 extra HRs a year by playing in Wragley.  If they're going to cut bait on Rios, go make a deal for a CF. 

Is Colby Rasmus available?

don't get the love for Rasmus.  Looks like a career .275 hitter with some pop
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on July 28, 2011, 07:06:06 pm
Rasmus has the same numbers rios did at his age. Wasn't gamel a top prospect once?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 28, 2011, 07:17:52 pm
We are not getting Mat Gamel for Thornton/Rios.

Maybe he heard "a pack of camels".
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 28, 2011, 07:22:13 pm
don't get the love for Rasmus.

Mine was just a joke (or an attempt at one).  Rasmus is overrated as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 28, 2011, 08:37:53 pm
Daryl Van Schouwen
sox source: more movement to come
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Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: seventytwo on July 28, 2011, 09:22:33 pm
And y'all thought you could hide from me?!  Hope everyone is well.

Liked the EJax trade, especially the dumping of Teahen's salary.  Frasor is a very good addition to our bullpen, and Stewart.....well, hopefully "Coop Can Fix Him." 

I've always liked Q, but I wouldn't mind getting a couple of top prospects for him.

Getting rid of Rios is a dream I won't let myself have...too good to be true.

I predict Dunn hits 20+ home runs the rest of this season.....but I have been drinking.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 09:33:46 pm
You need to stop drinking.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: seventytwo on July 28, 2011, 09:44:28 pm
Maybe you need to start
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2011, 09:53:09 pm
gave that up 25 years ago.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 28, 2011, 09:55:21 pm
gave that up 25 years ago.

Where's Herr Jeter with the giant golf ball on the tee?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 28, 2011, 10:11:39 pm
WshflThinking with a warm welcome back for seventytwo I see.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2011, 05:32:55 am
Yes, welcome back seventytwo.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2011, 06:20:49 am
Nice article by Gonzo. He nails the issues pro and con.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0729-white-sox-chicago--20110729,0,4396445.story
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 29, 2011, 07:19:45 am
Nice article by Gonzo.

Just making sure I read that right.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 29, 2011, 08:11:53 am
Nice article by Gonzo.

Just making sure I read that right.

I just love how Wshfl makes up these arbitrary nicknames for people.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 30, 2011, 10:33:55 am
Post of the month:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=2802673&postcount=137
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: seventytwo on July 30, 2011, 11:22:24 am
Rosenthal reporting that the Rangers are interested in Thornton and Sox are asking for SP Derek Holland in return.  Then he "tweeted" that The Rangers will only send Holland if we include a SP such as Danks in the deal.   
 ::) :o
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: seventytwo on July 30, 2011, 11:45:04 am
Red Sox also in on Thornton and Quentin, reports Rosenthal.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on July 30, 2011, 12:23:13 pm
Would they give up Iglesias in the deal?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 30, 2011, 12:25:34 pm
Doesnt appear to be happening because the beloved are asking for a hord of young talent and other teams are balking
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2011, 01:37:44 pm
Red Sox also in on Thornton and Quentin, reports Rosenthal.

#mlb #Red Sox pushing hard for Carlos Quentin and LHP Thornton, but #White Sox would have to be overwhelmed with prospects# tradedeadline
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2011, 01:38:46 pm
#yankees indeed among teams to inquire about available matt thornton. #chsox, #tradedeadline
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 30, 2011, 03:28:20 pm
#mlb #Red Sox pushing hard for Carlos Quentin and LHP Thornton, but #White Sox would have to be overwhelmed with prospects# tradedeadline

And strengthen a team we'd have to play in the playoffs if we made it? Don't see that happening.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 30, 2011, 04:08:51 pm
#mlb #Red Sox pushing hard for Carlos Quentin and LHP Thornton, but #White Sox would have to be overwhelmed with prospects# tradedeadline

And strengthen a team we'd have to play in the playoffs if we made it? Don't see that happening.

Me either
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2011, 04:23:20 pm
2:11pm: The White Sox are telling teams Danks is not available, tweets SI's Jon Heyman.  It seems that Rosenthal threw his name out there as more of an example, anyway.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on July 30, 2011, 10:25:33 pm
Sell sell sell sell sell sell.

Jerry, if you're listening:  we will wave the white flag with you.

Sell sell sell sell sell sell sell
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 31, 2011, 05:30:58 am
LOL
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 31, 2011, 09:00:06 am
The White Sox are now in search of rotation depth, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  After trading Edwin Jackson on Wednesday, General Manager Ken Williams & Co. believe that they are in need of starting pitching.

Without Jackson, the White Sox have gone from a six man rotation to a starting five which consists of Mark Buehrle, John Danks, Jake Peavy, Gavin Floyd, and Philip Humber.  Earlier today, Williams said that it was highly unlikely that he would make another trade before the deadline.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2011, 09:56:10 am
Cards are close for a deal for Furcal and Bedard. I thought for sure they were a 3rd or 4th place team this year and here they are flip flopping between first and second place and looking to get stronger. 

As bad as things are for us just take a look aross town and realize it could be worse. Saw the Cubs jumped out to a 5-0 lead yesterday and then got clobbered 13-5. They only got 1 hit after the first inning. That team is a bigger disaster than we are.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 31, 2011, 02:57:54 pm
If Kenny's idea of good is one step above the horrible Cubs he is sorely mistaken. Mediocre(.500) with a 125 Mill payroll.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 31, 2011, 06:41:32 pm
If talking about the Cubs gives one comfort, go for it. I thought they became irrelevant, even to Cub-vs-Sox diehards, way back in yo ought 5.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 01, 2011, 08:32:21 am
If talking about the Cubs gives one comfort, go for it. I thought they became irrelevant, even to Cub-vs-Sox diehards, way back in yo ought 5.

Does it give me comfort? Not at all. But you can't help noticing just how bad the other team in town is. And are they irrelevant? Nope. This is still a Cubs town so no, they're not irrevelant to a lot of Sox diehards.

If the Cubs were doing well this year, combined with the Sox doing really bad, this season would be even more miserable because of Cub fan jackasses acting like....well, jackasses, and the media slobbering all over the Cubs and acting as if the Sox don't exist.

It was an observation, nothing more. No one here, not even Shoe, has really even talked about the Cubs much this year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 01, 2011, 08:44:44 am
Understood. I've actually paid a bit of attention to them as the trade deadline approached and am very surprised they didn't move Ramirez. I also pay attention to them when they're playing the Pirates, because they're a nice story this year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on August 01, 2011, 09:46:57 am
I pay absolutely zero attention to the Cubs. They dont even exist. I pay more attention to the Charlotte Knight than I do the Cubs
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 25, 2011, 03:32:43 pm
The Indians were awarded the claim on Thome, while the White Sox were awarded the claim on Kubel, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports. Thome has a full-no trade clause and would prefer to play for the Phillies, according to Rosenthal. It's unlikely that the Twins will move Kubel, Rosenthal reports. The sides have discussed a possible extension.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2011, 03:43:30 pm
Kubel would fit the Sox pretty good, better than Done
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 25, 2011, 03:44:39 pm
Thome would prefer to play for the Phillies


Who wouldn't?   Tough toenails, Jimmy boy.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on August 25, 2011, 03:48:03 pm
Couldnt believe Twins waived Thome right after he got #600.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 25, 2011, 04:59:50 pm
Couldnt believe Twins waived Thome right after he got #600.

Act like a total pryck, get treated like one.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 25, 2011, 06:00:41 pm
Thats Karma for actually taking "a modest proposal" to heart and following through... thats right. Jim Thome eats babies.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 26, 2011, 08:47:47 am
"a modest proposal"

Nice reference, Swifty.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on August 26, 2011, 09:43:53 am
So when he goes back to Cleveland will the fans still boo him?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 26, 2011, 02:03:19 pm
He should throw Monopoly money at the crowd.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 18, 2011, 03:52:30 pm
What I am hearing.  Ozzie gone, Walker retires.  Floyd traded, Burly FA to STL
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 18, 2011, 04:47:25 pm
What I am hearing.  Ozzie gone, Walker retires.  Floyd traded, Burly FA to STL

You got a source for that garbage? Why would Walker retire when he is in the last year of his contract as are all the other assistants and Ozzie was extended in what January? The GM, either current or new can hire whatever manager and coaching staff he chooses.

Personally KW needs to go. We need a new GM. Of all the coaches I like Cooper the best
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 19, 2011, 12:12:45 pm
excellent source.  KW walks on water.  He ain't going anywhere
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 19, 2011, 12:45:29 pm
excellent source.  KW walks on water.  He ain't going anywhere

I've had better baloney sandwitches
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on September 19, 2011, 07:15:44 pm
KW walks on water.

Only the frozen kind, in my book.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 19, 2011, 09:21:24 pm
of course, the only book that matters is the one JR reads
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 08:39:36 am
Of course it matters which book JR reads. Last I checked its his team.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on September 20, 2011, 09:16:02 am
Of course it matters which book JR reads. Last I checked its his team.

Which has been my main gripe since the 90s, sell us off please JR, please!!!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 20, 2011, 09:24:41 am
I don't think we need to be sold.  We should be encouraging an investor coup to remove Reinsdorf from the chairman's seat...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 20, 2011, 10:31:16 am
Oooohhh, mutiny.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 12:57:06 pm
Aye Aye Captain
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 20, 2011, 01:05:33 pm
How is JR the problem?  Payroll is top 8 or so in baseball. 
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 01:11:32 pm
So why is it top 8? And there lies the problem, not the manager.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 20, 2011, 01:55:31 pm
I concur with Shoeless.

  JR paid up, the GM failed entirely.   
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 20, 2011, 02:16:27 pm
Yeppers... which is why KW is the one that should get his walking papers... if they want to clean house and dump Ozzie for Logan thats fine too... but at the minimum we GOTTA rid ourselves of KW and go back to drafting decently.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 20, 2011, 02:37:49 pm
Agree.  When it comes to supporting Williams, it's no longer IKWIT but I QUIT...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on September 20, 2011, 05:07:11 pm
I don't think we need to be sold.  We should be encouraging an investor coup to remove Reinsdorf from the chairman's seat...

That would be just fine.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: dazed63 on September 20, 2011, 10:18:00 pm
JR gave KW the "blank check" and he f'd up bigtime.

Also isn't part of his job description to be building a strong minor league system?

Ozzie has run his course with his mouth!!

Send them both packing.

Maybe Gillick would like working on the Southside instead of the Northside.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 04:27:03 pm
Rumours, courtesy of some guy on local sports yakker "The Score" (WSCR AM670).

 - Ozzie met with Reinsdorf over the weekend and told him he wants to go to the Marlins.   JR is happy to accomodate him as long as the Marlins pay up in some form.

 - Cooper stays, Cora & Walker are gone.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 26, 2011, 04:32:02 pm
I'm okay with if that happens.  You could even say that I'm "all in"...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 26, 2011, 04:35:38 pm
Ah luv me some Don Cooper, but we've got to give a new skipper his choice of assistants.  If the new guy wants Coop to stay on, then it's a win-win.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 26, 2011, 05:08:33 pm
I tells ya, make him the BP coach and let the new manager bring in a real pitching coach.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 26, 2011, 06:03:11 pm
I hope this also involves giving KW his walking papers....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on September 26, 2011, 06:11:08 pm
I don't think that's going to happen--given his loyalty to both guys, the fact of Ozzie leaving is a big big deal.  So I think it means just the opposite.   Kenny's won the power struggle, and this is about as big a chance as you get in one offseason.


My hope is that KW keeps on giving Rick Hahn more control, so that eventually Hahn becomes GM and Kenny kicks himself upstairs.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 26, 2011, 06:32:37 pm
I dont want kenny in the org anymore... totally not the way i wished this'd played out.


We can only hope he's willing to cede more and more control to Hahn.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 26, 2011, 06:49:20 pm
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7023269/chicago-white-sox-ozzie-guillen-meets-owner-jerry-reinsdorf-comes-away-nothing

Sounds like Ozzie wants a raise and a new contract... JR's comments make it out to be Ozzie's choice if he wants to leave, but is open to the idea.

Effectively... Ozzie is gone...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 26, 2011, 07:03:39 pm
What I am hoping doesnt happen is that Rick Hahn finds a GM job elsewhere because Kenny is blocking his path upward
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 08:43:47 pm
In piecing together what little I've heard, whether it be radio guys or a friend of a guy, is that:
 - KW doesn't want to be "kicked upstairs", it's either "I'm GM or I'm fired"
 - Ozzie can't work with Kenny anymore, and told the chairman "get rid of that **** Kenny or let me go to FLA"
 - JR prefers they work together, but knows he has to choose one or the other, so he chose the payroll-handcuffing bastard Kenny Williams

FWIW.

At least the first part of the off-season will be interesting.  The rest will just be depressing.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 26, 2011, 08:51:32 pm
Ugh.   
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 26, 2011, 09:12:58 pm
"Know-It-All Joe" Cowley says tonight is Ozzie's last game as the White Sox manager:

http://www.suntimes.com/7895136-417/ozzie-guillen-out-managing-last-white-sox-game-tonight.html (http://www.suntimes.com/7895136-417/ozzie-guillen-out-managing-last-white-sox-game-tonight.html)

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 26, 2011, 09:32:43 pm
In piecing together what little I've heard, whether it be radio guys or a friend of a guy, is that:
 - KW doesn't want to be "kicked upstairs", it's either "I'm GM or I'm fired"
 - Ozzie can't work with Kenny anymore, and told the chairman "get rid of that **** Kenny or let me go to FLA"
 - JR prefers they work together, but knows he has to choose one or the other, so he chose the payroll-handcuffing bastard Kenny Williams

FWIW.

At least the first part of the off-season will be interesting.  The rest will just be depressing.

well, I said Ozzie was gone to FL, and that KW walks on water.   I think it gets ugly if KW continues to let his ego make decisions
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 09:53:57 pm
Yes, you did.  And yes, it will.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 09:58:35 pm
before the game against the Blue Jays that Guillen was traded to the Florida Marlins for two minor-leaguers

http://www.suntimes.com/7895136-417/ozzie-guillen-out-managing-last-sox-game-tonight-sources-say.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 10:00:24 pm
Announcement Hawk just read said Ozzie requested to be let out of his contract and the Sox obliged.   Where's my minor leaguers?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 10:03:04 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/white-sox-marlins-completing-deal-involving-ozzie.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on September 26, 2011, 10:07:39 pm
mlbtraderumors.com reports that the Sox retain the rights to compensation if any other team hires Ozzie for 2012.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 10:19:45 pm
No way Ozzie walks away without another job.     A deal has probably been done with the Marlins, but for some reason can't announce it yet.   If they wait two days, does a player no longer need to go through waivers when traded?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 10:28:31 pm
This split was more about Guillen and Williams wanting Reinsdorf — whom they each consider a father figure — to pick a favorite.   The Sun-Times learned two weeks ago that Reinsdorf did, telling Williams he would be back for next season.

As far as what’s next for the Sox. Forget Tony La Russa, as one source already said he wasn’t interested in managing with Williams as GM. That leaves the likes of a Buddy Bell, Class AAA Charlotte manager Joe McEwing or former Sox catcher Sandy Alomar Jr.




http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7895136-419/ozzie-guillen-out-managing-last-sox-game-tonight-sources-say.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 26, 2011, 10:33:47 pm
Wally Backman's no longer available?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 26, 2011, 10:47:49 pm
That leaves the likes of a Buddy Bell, Class AAA Charlotte manager Joe McEwing or former Sox catcher Sandy Alomar Jr.

Well, since Alomar is the only ex-Sox currently coaching at the ML level, he gets the job by default. 
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 26, 2011, 10:56:14 pm
I'm still thinking they are coming Black Sox as the Marlins really don't want to be hit with a tampering charge.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 26, 2011, 10:57:57 pm
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Forget Tony La Russa, as one source already said he wasn’t interested in managing with Williams as GM.

If this were written by anyone other than Cowley I might believe it. However, Cowley has it in for Williams and I bet he threw that part in himself.

This is a bittersweet day. I wish Ozzie well but a change was needed. If KW is next to go that would be just fine too.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 26, 2011, 10:59:59 pm
Bell equals fail.   Rumor I heard was Ventura could be in line for a position.  Can't believe he would get managing job though.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 26, 2011, 11:07:27 pm
Guillen was not the problem.  How many teams do you think are lining up to hire Williams should he go??    Ozzie will go to the Marlins but not because it is the only team that would take him.

This is as dissappointing as almost anything I can ever remember with this team.  Ozzie is off and we are stuck with KW.  Blecko.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 26, 2011, 11:17:57 pm
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Guillen was not the problem.

I don't think anyone is saying he is the only problem. But he was part of the problem and you cannot trade all the players. He also didn't always put his team in the best position to succeed. He verbally attacked his fanbase multiple times and couldn't keep his kid in line when his son was verbally attacking former players, to the point that current Sox players said they wanted to punch him in the face.

And let's face it. The players on the field have changed, yet the results have been the same: a team that starts off slow, plays poor fundamentals and misses the playoffs. The one constant has been the coaching staff. And you cannot possibly put all the blame on Greg Walker. So this is a move that was needed. Will the next manager be successful? Maybe not. But that doesn't mean that the Sox should keep Guillen forever for fear that someone else may be just as bad.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 26, 2011, 11:32:03 pm
Blecko.

Ms. Love breaking out the expletives?  That shows you just how bad this situation is.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 26, 2011, 11:36:48 pm
Apparently Hawk called out the team for starting out flat the last 2 years and Konerko stated something to the effect that this "regime has run its course."

One sportswriter's tweet was "Cooper staying with the team...win-win for the Sox tonight." So it sounds so far like most baseball people feel this is a good move.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 26, 2011, 11:38:51 pm
Ozzie tonight, Buehrle tomorrow.

"Blecko", indeed.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 27, 2011, 12:22:46 am
That leaves the likes of a Buddy Bell, Class AAA Charlotte manager Joe McEwing or former Sox catcher Sandy Alomar Jr.

Well, since Alomar is the only ex-Sox currently coaching at the ML level, he gets the job by default.

Alomar is NOT the only ex-Sox player coaching in the majors.

Among the former White Sox players now coaching in the American League are: Davey Martinez, bench coach of the Tampa Rays; Scott Radinsky, bullpen coach of the Indians; Tim Belcher, pitching coach of the Indians; Jaime Navarro, pitching coach of the Mariners; Joel Skinner, bench coach of the A's; Gary Pettis, 1st base coach of the Rangers; former Mariners' manager Don Wakamatsu is the bench coach for Toronto and former Royals' manager Tony Pena, who played for the Sox in '97, is the Yankees' bench coach.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on September 27, 2011, 06:55:01 am
Alomar is NOT the only ex-Sox player coaching in the majors.

Among the former White Sox players now coaching in the American League are:... Jaime Navarro, pitching coach of the Mariners;....

Wow.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 27, 2011, 08:05:03 am
Yes, get Jamie Navarro!  The era of good feelings.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 27, 2011, 09:07:05 am
Alomar is NOT the only ex-Sox player coaching in the majors.

I was only referencing that short list of three posted in the Sun-Times piece, but thanks for this list. 

How in the hell does Navarro get a coaching gig?  Who would listen to that tool?  If that's where the bar is set, look for Sammy Sosa to be hired as someone's hitting coach soon...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 27, 2011, 10:59:43 am
How in the hell does Navarro get a coaching gig? 

"Those that can't do, teach."
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 27, 2011, 11:30:42 am
Guillen was not the problem.  How many teams do you think are lining up to hire Williams should he go??    Ozzie will go to the Marlins but not because it is the only team that would take him.

This is as dissappointing as almost anything I can ever remember with this team.  Ozzie is off and we are stuck with KW.  Blecko.

100% correct and true. This is worse then the day we got todd ritchie David wells and rios put together.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 11:37:35 am
This is a bittersweet day. I wish Ozzie well but a change was needed. If KW is next to go that would be just fine too.

He damned better be gone within a week. He has been the architect of this disaster. Why give him a pat on the back.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 11:40:04 am
And what two minor leaguers Blackie? Better be something decent, at least off their 40 man roster.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 27, 2011, 11:47:02 am
“With the rings, I can’t do [anything] with that,’’ he said. “But with money, I can go buy me a new boat, I can go buy me a new car, I can dress my wife the way I want to dress her, I can go to Spain. With the ring, I can go to United Airlines and say, ‘Hello, I won the 2005 championship. Can you fly me to Spain?’ Hell, no.

“I work in this job for money. I don’t work for nothing. Money. That’s it. The ring? [Bleep] the ring. I don’t even wear my [bleeping] rings. I don’t.’’


http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7896268-419/ozzie-guillen-asks-out-so-he-could-buy-my-bleeping-boat.html

Good luck in Florida, Oz. You may not win but at least you'll have your money so you don't "die poor."
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 27, 2011, 12:10:10 pm
Ozzie better be careful or he's gonna talk himself out of the Miami gig...

It's hard to believe, but it appears KW and JR had Ozzie a little bit bottled up over the years.  His rants now are just plain moronic.  Good riddance.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on September 27, 2011, 12:26:08 pm
Ozzie better be careful or he's gonna talk himself out of the Miami gig...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AgF6lKkp8HH7iAEdv05QRukRvLYF?slug=jp-passan_ozzie_guillen_marlins_loria_breakup_092611

People are already talking about that.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on September 27, 2011, 12:49:45 pm
if he doesn't go as far as promising 7 championships, he won't talk himself out of anything in Miami
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 27, 2011, 12:55:15 pm
Despite being named interim manager, Joey Cora was told by Fukkhead Williams to not come to the ballpark.  Don Cooper is your interim manager.

Kenny acted like a pud last night during the presser, and looks like an even bigger one today.   
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 27, 2011, 01:01:48 pm
And what two minor leaguers Blackie? Better be something decent, at least off their 40 man roster.

Reports have it as Osvaldo Martinez (SS prospect who took a couple bullets in a drive by a few years ago) and some schmoe.

More on Oss-vie here:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-will-reportedly-receive-two-players-for-guillen-20110927,0,1662373.story

And here:  http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/white-sox-expected-to-acquire-osvaldo-martinez-for-ozzie.html

He probably takes 11's spot.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 27, 2011, 01:16:18 pm
Despite being named interim manager, Joey Cora was told by Fukkhead Williams to not come to the ballpark.  Don Cooper is your interim manager.

Kenny acted like a pud last night during the presser, and looks like an even bigger one today.

Really classy KW.  i'd bet a paycheck if KW was fired he wouldnt be wanted by any other franchise
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 27, 2011, 01:31:08 pm
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i'd bet a paycheck if KW was fired he wouldnt be wanted by any other franchise

Why? Just like Jim Hendry will probably get another GM job somewhere (even though you don't hear about teams lining up for him now), I'm sure KW would land on his feet with another team, too.

You can say if Ozzie didn't have a strong Hispanic following in Miami that the Marlins may not be clamoring for him either.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 27, 2011, 04:07:59 pm
I am really depressed over this mess.... i'm going to miss Ozzie.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 05:21:56 pm
Even more so if KW isnt canned too
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on September 27, 2011, 07:11:03 pm
I am really depressed over this mess.... i'm going to miss Ozzie.

Not me. He was God-awful managing the club this year, and it was because he didn't like his GM.
Absolutely unprofessional. Do your job.

Assuming KW is planning on hiring Sandy Alomar, Jr. this is a positive for the ballclub.
Coop and Baines are back. Works for me.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 27, 2011, 07:31:16 pm
God aweful managing Rios? or Pierre? or Dunn? maybe Peavy? or the amazing Stewart...

He was given a team that had 6 starting pitchers... after the trading deadline he had 4.

Maybe... just maybe if we had a GM that dropped dead weight from the roster, instead of holding onto it to prove he was right in making the acquisition the manager wouldn't be put in those situations.

IMO the problem with this team wasnt how it was run on the field... but how it was put together, and its KW that spent 124 million on that mess of a roster last season.

One can give him a pass on a lot of deals... and if you end up weighing the rest it still ends sharply against him, and thats only with the 40 man roster... not much talent on the horizon either.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 27, 2011, 07:49:18 pm
No, ISF pretty much nailed it:

He was God-awful managing the club this year, and it was because he didn't like his GM.
Absolutely unprofessional.


Again, no fan of KW's recent deals (Dunn, Hudson, Swisher, Rios, Sox looking like the losers of all of those), but Ozzie was horrible this year, almost as if he was deliberately sabotaging the season.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 08:33:01 pm
Sounds like you all except Method are giving KW a pass and blaming Ozzie for this season. If you are going to fire the manager for his production on the field you cant give the man who assembled the team a free pass. Get rid of his butt too.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 27, 2011, 09:09:12 pm
No, ISF pretty much nailed it:

He was God-awful managing the club this year, and it was because he didn't like his GM.
Absolutely unprofessional.


Again, no fan of KW's recent deals (Dunn, Hudson, Swisher, Rios, Sox looking like the losers of all of those), but Ozzie was horrible this year, almost as if he was deliberately sabotaging the season.

I think thats bull$h1t. KW gave ozzie a 25 man roster and he player those players. Why does he have to be handcuffed with a 23 man roster?? Why cant KW admit a mistake or 3 and cut one of the players he wants benched so badly?

Ozzie didnt put in a claim on a96 million dollar contract for a sh!t  ball player like rios. According to the popular opinion on this board... Rios has great talent but a 2 cent head... and thats Ozzies fault... a new manager is somehow going to make him a great player... perhaps the new manager is just going to make his 18 million dollar CF a bench player and KW wont say a word about it.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 27, 2011, 09:17:41 pm
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God aweful managing Rios? or Pierre? or Dunn? maybe Peavy? or the amazing Stewart...

For as bad as he started off Juan Pierre has been the least of this team's problems this year. And except for Rios and maybe Edwin Jackson, KW assembled a team that should have been good enough to win this awful division. Dunn and Peavy were 2 players any GM would've taken on. Dunn's season has been so bad that you almost have to assume is a fluke. I'm not a huge fan of Peavy but he did have major surgery (something KW could not have forseen or prevented) so you can't really blame KW for that one either. It's possible that both guys come back in a huge way next year.

Besides that, who else? Beckham has regressed but is that Kenny's fault too? Remember, he wanted to fire Greg Walker but the chairman undermined him. And if you want to bring up Juan Pierre, KW wanted to get rid of him also but someone else undermined him and wanted to keep him. Who was that? Oh yeah, Ozzie Guillen.

But it was KW who made killer deals in getting guys like Tadahit Iguchi, Matt Thornton, Johnny Danks, Phil Humber (who carried this team for the first several months) and several others I'm sure I'm not thinking of right now. Has he swung and missed on deals? Hell yeah. Name a GM who doesn't? But I'd rather have a guy swing and miss because he's aggressive than someone who never takes any chances. How boring would that be? Not to mention we'd probably become the Pirates.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on September 27, 2011, 09:27:59 pm
That leaves the likes of a Buddy Bell, Class AAA Charlotte manager Joe McEwing or former Sox catcher Sandy Alomar Jr.

Well, since Alomar is the only ex-Sox currently coaching at the ML level, he gets the job by default.

Wrong my friend... How about Dave Martinez ?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on September 27, 2011, 09:36:44 pm
For some reason I think Davey Martinez would make a helluva manager. I will go with him. Plus, he and KW can talk about who has scored more of the players' wives/GFs.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on September 27, 2011, 09:50:07 pm
I'll take the prican to manage. I hear dave is highly regarded.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on September 27, 2011, 09:59:37 pm
Yes, Ozzie was given Rios and Dunn. He was also given De Aza and Lillibridge.
No one put a gun to Ozzie's head and told him he had to bat Rios clean-up. Nor did they tell him to pinch-hit Dunn for Lillibridge against a lefty. It was Ozzie's job to figure out the lineup. He decided to try and show KW up instead of win ballgames. Again, unprofessional.

Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo, Brent Morel and De Aza all look like young guys who should be starting next year.
Lillibridge looks to have arrived as a super-utility guy. Quentin was a KW get. Beckham still has the potential to be a player.

Pitching wasn't the problem this year, nor does it look to be going forward. Without the drama, this club has the talent to succeed.


Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on September 27, 2011, 10:07:08 pm
Agreed
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 27, 2011, 11:59:00 pm
He decided to try and show KW up instead of win ballgames.

It certainly seemed like that was the motivation for some of his managerial moves, though we'll never really know for sure.  But there sure as heck was no other logical explanation in the vicinity.

And again -- Method, Wshfl, et.al., who mistakenly assume that I'm backing KW just because I'm criticizing Ozzie -- the guy has made some bad deals in the past two years, but this article doesn't really make him out to the problem child in the Sox family:

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 28, 2011, 12:01:31 am
For some reason I think Davey Martinez would make a helluva manager. I will go with him. Plus, he and KW can talk about who has scored more of the players' wives/GFs.

Heh, ya think Ryne Sandberg will join his coaching staff?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 08:20:56 am
Yes, Ozzie was given Rios and Dunn. He was also given De Aza and Lillibridge.
No one put a gun to Ozzie's head and told him he had to bat Rios clean-up. Nor did they tell him to pinch-hit Dunn for Lillibridge against a lefty. It was Ozzie's job to figure out the lineup. He decided to try and show KW up instead of win ballgames. Again, unprofessional.

Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo, Brent Morel and De Aza all look like young guys who should be starting next year.
Lillibridge looks to have arrived as a super-utility guy. Quentin was a KW get. Beckham still has the potential to be a player.

Pitching wasn't the problem this year, nor does it look to be going forward. Without the drama, this club has the talent to succeed.

To that I disagree. Not with the likes of Done and Rehose and the likes of Peavey and Humber. And since any decent pitcher on the farm is just trade bait for KW I am not sold we have 4 great starters. Buehrle isnt likely back with a raise in order. Floyd hasnt matured. Danks is very inconsistant. PV cant stay healthy.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 28, 2011, 09:18:03 am
Heh, ya think Ryne Sandberg will join his coaching staff?

You know, I hear snickering allusions to this story from time to time. There have gotta be some details out there. I shall search.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on September 28, 2011, 10:07:42 am
Buehrle isnt likely back with a raise in order.

I fully expect Buerhle to be re-signed.

I also expect Danks to be traded, and Sale to replace him in the rotation.

Buerhle/Floyd/Sale/Peavy/Humber is likely to be the rotation in April 2012.


Pierre will not be re-signed. De Aza and Lillibridge make him expendable.

I don't think AJ will be back either.


CF   De Aza
SS   Ramirez
1B   Konerko
RF   Quentin
DH   Dunn
RF   Viciedo
C     Flowers
3B   Morel
2B   Beckham

Bench

Rios, Lillibridge, Castro, Kuhn

That is an awfully young lineup with potential to be very productive.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 28, 2011, 10:21:17 am
Heh, ya think Ryne Sandberg will join his coaching staff?

You know, I hear snickering allusions to this story from time to time. There have gotta be some details out there. I shall search.


Try searching on "Cindy Sandberg's corn cob dress"
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 28, 2011, 01:28:59 pm
Buehrle isnt likely back with a raise in order.

I fully expect Buerhle to be re-signed.

I also expect Danks to be traded, and Sale to replace him in the rotation.

Buerhle/Floyd/Sale/Peavy/Humber is likely to be the rotation in April 2012.

My one source said Burly is gone to STL, Floyd will be traded. 


Pierre will not be re-signed. De Aza and Lillibridge make him expendable.

I don't think AJ will be back either.


CF   De Aza
SS   Ramirez
1B   Konerko
RF   Quentin
DH   Dunn
RF   Viciedo
C     Flowers
3B   Morel
2B   Beckham

Bench

Rios, Lillibridge, Castro, Kuhn

That is an awfully young lineup with potential to be very productive.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 28, 2011, 01:30:41 pm
BTW, that's a damn good deal getting two pretty highly rated players for Ozzie.  I mean, he was gone anyway
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on September 28, 2011, 01:45:28 pm
Only way White Sox let Buerhle leave is if St. Louis offers him crazy contract. So, it's possible, but I don't think Buerhle is gone.

Floyd being traded, IMO, is more possible. He's been inconsistent, you can get that out of Axelrod, Stewart or even Petricka.

The question is what value can we get for Floyd? I'm not sure anyone is going to give up much for him.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on September 28, 2011, 01:57:22 pm
Only way White Sox let Buerhle leave is if St. Louis offers him crazy contract. So, it's possible, but I don't think Buerhle is gone.

Floyd being traded, IMO, is more possible. He's been inconsistent, you can get that out of Axelrod, Stewart or even Petricka.

The question is what value can we get for Floyd? I'm not sure anyone is going to give up much for him.

"Gavin Floyd" is English for "Javier Vazquez," isn't it?  Roughly?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 28, 2011, 01:58:19 pm
Pretty confident its a direct translation.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on September 28, 2011, 02:11:28 pm
Well we got some good players for Vazquez.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 28, 2011, 03:47:04 pm
Zach Stewart isn't a starter.   At least not a good one.  Hopefully he's not in the Sox' rotation next year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 28, 2011, 03:47:50 pm
Everyone knows it was Austin Scarlett's corncob dress.   
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 28, 2011, 04:01:48 pm
Meet yer new White Sox:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/trade-central/2011/2612403.html

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 28, 2011, 04:57:04 pm
Only way White Sox let Buerhle leave is if St. Louis offers him crazy contract. So, it's possible, but I don't think Buerhle is gone.

Floyd being traded, IMO, is more possible. He's been inconsistent, you can get that out of Axelrod, Stewart or even Petricka.

The question is what value can we get for Floyd? I'm not sure anyone is going to give up much for him.

Burly is a FA, no?  Sure sounds like he'd like to make a change.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 28, 2011, 04:57:47 pm
Zach Stewart isn't a starter.   At least not a good one.  Hopefully he's not in the Sox' rotation next year.

I actually like Stewart but can't ignore the numbers.   He'll get a long look in ST
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 28, 2011, 05:04:38 pm
I don't want him back at all unless he gets a haircut.

(http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/1853938/240618_White_Sox_Twins_Baseball_extra_large.jpg)

I thought that look died along with Steve Lyons' career...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 05:41:08 pm
Floyd or Danks is going to be traded, likely Danks because of impending FA, whereas Floyd has a longer and potentially cheaper contract. With Buehrle likely gone and either Danks or Floyd gone too The starting pitching is shaky at best. Humber stinks. I hope they part ways with him. Quentin is such a head case he needs to go too. The outfield is very weak defensively with Viciedo, DeAza and Quentin. Kuhn is a hitting machine. Supposedly his best defensive position is 2B.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 28, 2011, 06:09:53 pm
Wshfl hath spoken....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on September 28, 2011, 10:06:46 pm
Well, at least we've got a Jhan now.

Looks like we got jack squat in return though.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 28, 2011, 10:19:48 pm
You mean 'jhack'...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 28, 2011, 10:39:58 pm
Cheer up JosephC,  Ozzie is gone, best thing ever!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on September 29, 2011, 01:16:10 am
God aweful managing Rios?

As I recall KW brought up de Aza to send Rios a message; in his first start de Aza wins the game witha HR.  His reward?  Ozie starts Rios the next game.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 29, 2011, 08:48:17 am
So in other words, yes....god awful managing.

What people seem to be forgetting is that OZZIE QUIT. He was under contract for one more year and would have been here managing next season. But, even after admitting his failures for the season, he demanded a pay raise. He didn't get it so he walked on his team.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 29, 2011, 09:03:51 am
I agree he walked out on this team, but I am betting that the reason he walked had much to do with KW.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 09:31:40 am
It did. No question plus he probably got more money out of Loria
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 29, 2011, 09:36:58 am
Quote
but I am betting that the reason he walked had much to do with KW.

Making it even more bush league. He can't be a damn professional and do his job because he no likey his boss? Hell, it's not like he took orders from KW anyway?

He bolted for more money. He said himself he didn't care about the rings.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 09:39:00 am
I guess he is still supporting his adult kids who dont work
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 29, 2011, 09:42:37 am
What loveland said.

KW brought up De Aza to send a message... but he didnt cut Rios... what was ozzie going to do? just sit his two most expensive players indefinitely and run a team with 23 players?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 29, 2011, 10:00:14 am
I'm not all that sure that Ozzie "quit" in the traditional sense.   It was clearly a case of "him or me" and JR chose Kenny.   Then Ozzie quit.   But JR certainly helped him do so.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 29, 2011, 10:01:38 am
I don't want him back at all unless he gets a haircut.


Hater.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 29, 2011, 10:34:07 am
Quote
It was clearly a case of "him or me" and JR chose Kenny.   Then Ozzie quit.

Doesn't matter what those circumstances were. He still had 1 year to go on his contract and refused to fulfill it. He was being a petulant child because he didn't get his way.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 10:43:29 am
Agreed. He quit.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 29, 2011, 10:52:50 am
Back when the economy was good it was pretty standard procedure to approach your boss if you had an offer from another company and ask your current employer to either meet or supersede the offer.  I've done it myself.

Yes, the baseball system works via contracts but what Ozzie did was not that far out of the norm. 

Taking it to the media, however Ozzie it may be, was still very childish.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on September 29, 2011, 11:11:22 am
Yes, Method, I think Ozzie should have sat Rios and Dunn except in those situations where matchups dictated they play.
The manager doesn't pay the players. His job is to give the team the best chance to win by putting players in positions where they have best chance to succeed.
Ozzie did not do that.

I would very much like to see Sandy Alomar Jr. get the job. Catchers have a history of doing well, and this is a good time.
We are trying to develop Flowers into our starting C.

If Alomar is hired, I think we've improved.



Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 11:16:30 am
Good analysis
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 29, 2011, 11:19:04 am
Speaking of catchers, I wouldn't be surprised if Carlton Fisk is on KW's short list...

Just a hunch.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 11:21:39 am
That wouldnt be a shock
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BillSharp on September 29, 2011, 12:19:18 pm
Of course Ozzie jumped ship.

!st reason money. Who wouldn't want to double your salary? And, yes, his kids are going to live off the old man.

Second, the franchise is a mess. Kenny suddenly developed the turde touch, everything he does turns to shite for some cosmic reason. Rios, Dunn & Peavy take up 40% of the payroll & return nothing. 

 I was thinking of Buehrle the other day & thought - does he really want to end his career in this wreck of a team. He pitched well enough to win 18 games this year, but no offense & a pen that blew multiple games for him left him with 13 wins.

Won't he want to go where he can win?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 12:25:30 pm
And, yes, his kids are going to live off the old man.

Are going to? I believe its proven they have all along. Make them get jobs. You cant let them live like that.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 29, 2011, 01:22:23 pm
ask your current employer to either meet or supersede the offer.  I've done it myself.

In all fairness, Ms. Love, let's not compare the kind of hardball you play with the negotiating tactics that your average schmuck has at his disposal.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on September 29, 2011, 03:15:16 pm
THURSDAY, 1:15pm: The White Sox announced that they assigned the contract of right-hander Ricardo Andres to the Marlins to complete the deal. Andres appeared in 12 games at Rookie Ball this year in his first professional season. The 20-year-old posted a 6.32 ERA in 15 2/3 innings, striking out 11.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 29, 2011, 03:58:34 pm
I also buy into the whole catcher to manager thing.  Too many examples of it working.  That said, i'm intrigued by the idea of Coop taking over.  Which means it will be Martinez
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on September 29, 2011, 04:11:04 pm
The most interesting move for a manager would be Sandberg... and all the fallout that would bring.

Plus, he'd be the exact opposite of Ozzie... he'd say virtually nothing, to anyone.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on September 29, 2011, 05:16:04 pm
I also buy into the whole catcher to manager thing.  Too many examples of it working.

You know, I was under the same impression about this.  But having just gone and looked up Mgrs with the most wins, there's not a preponderance of catchers there.  You've got Torre, Bochy, Scioscia, Houk, maybe Torborg and Ned Yost. 

But among the guys who made more of a career out of managing than playing -- Alston, Sparky, Herzog, Tom Kelly, LaSorda, LaRussa, Cox, Mauch, Dick Williams -- none of them were catchers.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on September 30, 2011, 05:15:17 pm
Won't he want to go where he can win?

Yes.  Buerhle's agent says they will listen to any offer from any team.  I don't think the B-man is motivated to be the highest paid.  He will get plenty no matter where he goes and base his decision on which team is most likely to have the most success.

If he leaves I hope he goes to the NL so I won't have to watch him pitch against the Beloved.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 05, 2011, 03:11:52 pm
If you have 10 minutes to kill and need a good larf, this is the thread for you:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=130712
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on October 05, 2011, 03:28:58 pm
If you have 10 minutes to kill and need a good larf, this is the thread for you:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=130712

Wait - you're telling me there's a poster there by the name of "downstairs?"

That is priceless.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on October 05, 2011, 11:11:17 pm
Um, 10 minutes?? Did I miss about 60 pages.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 06, 2011, 09:41:14 am
hahah, Boyer can barely conceal his disdain:

"Unless fans have unlimited time on their hands, they should spend their time worrying about/commenting on other things. "
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 12:12:38 pm
what's the context of that Boyer quote?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 06, 2011, 12:30:42 pm
Some talk of Mike North even possibly being a candidate as replacing DJ on the radio. Not that DJ has even been shown the door at this point. Some "journalist" over there occasionally gets Boyer's ear with what I'm sure are some retarted emails and that was his response.

There was also mention of Steve Dahl, which would be amusing. Between Farmer and Dahl, pretty sure you might not even know you were listening to a baseball game. . .which I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on October 06, 2011, 01:12:37 pm
Heck yeah, I'd listen to that duo - but only if Dahl alternated his voice each inning between "Anthony" and "Tommy Skillethead"...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 06, 2011, 01:52:10 pm
heh, that would be cool.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 18, 2011, 03:55:54 pm
Don’t rule out the Sox making a play for a bigger name [for hitting coach], such as Jim Thome.

Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf loves Thome, 41, whose playing career likely has come to an end after 21 seasons and 604 home runs. The two share the annual habit of meeting for dinner to talk about life and baseball after the season, and a major-league source said Reinsdorf was eager to move this year’s meeting up.


http://www.suntimes.com/sports/8271354-419/jim-thome-could-join-mark-parent-on-white-sox-coaching-staff.html

This story is a great example of "burying the lead".
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on October 18, 2011, 04:05:45 pm
Really?  Thome?  I'm not so sure it's a smart move to hire a guy that was near the top in Ks every season as your hitting instructor. 

But he is an ex-Sox, so he's probably a lock at this point.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 18, 2011, 04:06:57 pm
Really?  Thome?  I'm not so sure it's a smart move to hire a guy that was near the top in Ks every season as your hitting instructor. 

But he is an ex-Sox, so he's probably a lock at this point.

Seems to be working for the Cards.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on October 18, 2011, 04:17:45 pm
I'm assuming charities will go running for cover with Jim Thome around.

I heard he sets baby birds on a batting tee for practice.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 18, 2011, 04:34:05 pm
I am just shocked KW will go along with this... he got rid of one **** to go hire another?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on October 18, 2011, 04:36:16 pm
I find it difficult to believe Thome gets the job. Of course Ventura also seemed a strange hire to me.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 18, 2011, 05:35:06 pm
Thome has already said "I need to know whether they want to marry me, or just want to **** me".
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on October 18, 2011, 06:03:35 pm
That should be a standard line on any White Sox' job application:


Name ____________________________________


Position applied for:    (circle one)      GM     Assistant GM    Hot dog vendor    Marketing Associate   Hitting Coach   back-up catcher


Goal (circle one):       Marriage               %$#$*%$%


Number of children:    ____


Number of twitter accounts in family:  ____


Ways in which you are exactly opposite of whatever we were currently doing at the position applied for: _______________________________


___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________



Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 18, 2011, 06:18:24 pm
LOL! spectacular.

Once again... what do we have to do to get karma points activated for this site?

That post was great!
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 19, 2011, 09:10:22 am
I am going to remember all you laughing when this all works!!!   God, I must be high.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on October 19, 2011, 09:11:45 am
Nice.

Sophist forgot to add this disclaimer at the bottom, though:

*Applicants that have never played or coached for the White Sox organization have virtually no chance of being hired.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on October 19, 2011, 03:56:35 pm
heh
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 02, 2011, 02:17:57 pm
By the time the meetings end next week, Danks, Quentin, Matt Thornton and free- agent pitcher Mark Buehrle could be in different uniforms.

Love the URL....

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/9187283-419/sox-gm-ken-williams-dangling-john-danks.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2011, 03:08:23 pm
Ya think Cowley has been eating Kenny's lobster too?

IMHO  Danks is a goner, probably Quentin as well. When the Sox left Danks off the 40 man it kind of said what was going to happen. I just hope they get some talent back in return. Buehrle for 3 more years? I dont know about that one. My guess is the interested teams will dwindle in a hurry.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 02, 2011, 03:55:41 pm
The biggest obstacle preventing Mark Buehrle from signing in Miami is the team's reluctance to give him a no-trade clause, according to Rosenthal. The holdup in the talks may push the Marlins to pursue another free agent lefty, C.J. Wilson.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/marlins-eyeing-aramis-pursuing-reyes-buehrle.html
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 11:48:44 am
Sergios Santos - he gone.

Traded to Toronto for a AA pitcher.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 12:03:17 pm
WHAT!

has KW lost his mind? i should withhold my judgement till i see who it is... but that sounds crazy.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 12:10:23 pm
They love Kendry up there in Toronto... he could probably run for mayor...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 12:13:54 pm
Nestor Molina

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=500882

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 12:14:23 pm
Fast forward to 1:09

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JET659XCPuk

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 06, 2011, 12:16:59 pm
Santos was traded for Nestor Molina, who was the Jays' #2 prospect. He's supposed to project as a near top-of-rotation starter.

Kenny is clearly looking ahead to the future (we should all pretty much assume 2012 is going to be a lost year). Don't need Santos closing if the team is only going to win 65-70 games. And I guess Santos is what it took to get a #2 prospect. This is part of the rebuilding process.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 12:21:00 pm
Check out Nestor's BB/K split from last year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 06, 2011, 12:23:43 pm
Those are some impressive numbers. I liked Santos, but he's hit his ceiling. Hopefully Reed can pick up the closer role. If not, it will fall to Frasor.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 06, 2011, 12:26:24 pm
I'm not sure this signals Kenny is seeing this as a lost year. They might have seen something about Santos where they know the league is going to catch on to him (or hitting his ceiling as ISF says), may have more moves coming, etc. Bullpen and closing is a really fickle thing.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 12:27:00 pm
9 to 1... that does look good.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 12:28:51 pm
Santos was traded for Nestor Molina, who was the Jays' #2 prospect. He's supposed to project as a near top-of-rotation starter.

Kenny is clearly looking ahead to the future (we should all pretty much assume 2012 is going to be a lost year). Don't need Santos closing if the team is only going to win 65-70 games. And I guess Santos is what it took to get a #2 prospect. This is part of the rebuilding process.


Number 2 in jays... but hes 83rd overall in MLB as a prospect.

Look at what the twins gave up for Matt freaking Capps, and we're giving up a closer thats cost controlled to a team friendly deal for 4 more years... for 1/2 the haul... Kendry's gotta go.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 12:36:18 pm
Jim Callis is on the radio now.

He said he rated Nestor as the BJs #18 prospect, but would rate him #2 for the White Sox.

Now that there's a disparity in prospects.

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 12:37:17 pm
by the time JR lets kendry go... we'd be lucky to end up in the shape the pirates were 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 06, 2011, 01:12:13 pm
Ah, I see Nestor the molestor.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on December 06, 2011, 01:20:01 pm
I've got the 2012 White Sox publicity tagline:

"Bring On The Pain"
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 02:12:37 pm
coupla things to read:


http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/12/6/2615759/the-white-sox-rebuilding-process-begins

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/white-sox-trade-santos-start-the-rebuild-process/
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 02:14:10 pm
Heh:


Favorite anagrams for Nestor Molina: A Silent Moron, Melon Rations, Moon Latrines, Ten Monorails.

http://twitter.com/jimmargalus
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BillSharp on December 06, 2011, 05:12:02 pm
This means Kenny is in full rebuild mode, he want's the Sox to be a playoff team when Dunn's contract expires.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 06:34:27 pm
I have had more time to think on it... and i still just dont get it. This is from Keith Law.

With the deal that sends Chicago White Sox reliever Sergio Santos to Toronto for Blue Jays prospect Nestor Molina, the Jays trade maybe their sixth-best pitching prospect for a very effective short reliever (whom they had previously when he was still a position player). This should take Toronto out of the market for free-agent closers, most of whom end up overpaid thanks to the winner's curse and the short peaks of most relievers' careers. The White Sox, on the other hand, get an extreme control right-hander without much of a breaking ball who could be a dominant two-pitch reliever, but is probably a year away from seriously contributing in the majors.

So we just traded a major league closer for a guy that might end up being keith foulke without the change up? Why not keep the really cheap and proven MLB closer for the same job... If you are going to trade santos... why only get back a fringe starter/reilver in return? i can see Nester being a throwin to trading santos... but not the one and only piece.. they needed to get back atleast a top 25 position player and this dude for santos..

Even if we are in rebuilding mode... he was cheap for the next few years... could have traded him for more down the road imho... and we lost ozzie to keep kendry...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 06, 2011, 06:49:39 pm
Baltimore has several young pitchers on their staff who fit the profile that Sox GM Ken Williams seeks in any deal for any of his veteran players.

Those pitchers include left-hander Brian Matusz, Jake Arrieta, Zach Britton and Chris Tillman.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-duquette-confirms-baltimores-talks-with-sox-20111206,0,3318528.story

From the stats listed I wouldnt want any of those guys
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 06, 2011, 08:14:04 pm
A bird in the hand is worth two in the minors. ...
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 08:33:29 pm
Indeed... so why this trade...

I get trading Thorny.... I get trading Q... I can even understand trading danks... and not resigning MB if we are rebuilding...

But giving up santos for a guy thats a fringe starter/maybe not as good as the guy you gave up reliever... is.... confounding.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 08:34:08 pm
Is **** a censorable word?

Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 08:35:45 pm
It seems that h o r n y is a censurable word... so is T*****....

I wonder if stupid****asshat is?

So how does one go about mention a bush that has too many thornes.... you know a thorny bush....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 08:37:30 pm
It appears the word filter has improved.... now curse words that are part of another word are filtered... this could add a whole new wrinkle to the game.

The unintentional censor...

This new feature seems appropriate considering our new censoring overlords.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 06, 2011, 10:17:30 pm
"But giving up santos for a guy thats a fringe starter/maybe not as good as the guy you gave up reliever... is.... confounding"


How do you know that? How can you reach that conclusion hours after the trade from reading second and third hand reports?  Santos was getting figured out in September, and Cooper knew that, and the guy we are getting took a big step forward, and the new international coach we got knows that. This guy was rated #18 in the Jays org at the beginning of this past year, given his performance this year, his stock rose greatly.

What do you know more than the people who are there who have all the facts? That is confounding.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 10:24:39 pm
Actually... he was rated #2 in their organization before the year... and he DROPPED to #18 by the end of the year... that's what i got out of the second and 3rd hand reports atleast.

Sergio had his worst month in his 8 out of 63 innings in september... that also happened to be  12 innings more then hes ever pitched in one season in his life... him fading down the stretch is as likely due to fatigue as "getting figured out in september, and cooper knowing that"

I'm basing my statements on what i've read about Nester... how about your claim on what cooper knew about sergio getting figured out, yet somehow allowing the franchise to sign him to a prospective 6 year deal?

How about reading the articles and considering the facts before making such confounding statements....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 10:29:18 pm
I'll say it again... Nothing against Nestor... But KW undersold his hand AGAIN.

this has the stink of a berry barry bad trade... it kinda reminds me of durham for adkins....
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 06, 2011, 10:36:11 pm
I disagree, as I heard the MLB network on XM interviewing the minor league stat guy they always interview clearly say that Nester was #18 at the beginning of the year and would be near the top this year. Plus you got Cooper who knows Santos.

So instead of trading barbs, let's get that fact straight first. Maybe you are right maybe I am? But I wish you could stop jumping to immediate conclusions before you have all the facts proven.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2011, 10:52:35 pm
Ummm ok...

Sounds eggcellent... I got my info from Keith law on ESPN...

I also use this website a lot.. for prospect rankings... I like them because they keep track of their old lists... to show how well they do over time...

http://www.deepleagues.com/?p=3682

At the beginning of last year they didnt even have him in their top 250... in there latest rankings they have him at 83... which shows him improving over the course of last year

Baselball america is not nearly as optimistic about his performance... they dropped him over the course of the year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 06, 2011, 11:14:15 pm
OK, you relied on Keith Law, that explains it for me. Law is the only guy who dumped the labor agreement within days of it being released, Almost everyone else in baseball had opposite oppinions. I work in that area too, so I have my oppinion. My respect for Law's views is near zero despite his Haaaavaad pedigree. He has a grudge against the Sox too, check some old posts.

Let's check back in a year.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 07, 2011, 08:02:27 am
More "something to read" bits on the trade:

Quick read on Molina... 8:30 long video of him pitching included.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/6/2616005/blue-jays-trade-top-prospect-nestor-molina-to-white-sox-for-sergio

Quips from the blogosphere on Molina.... not sure where Method is getting his "two-pitch pitcher" reports from - maybe before the 2011 season, his first year as a starter?
http://soxbronzetitan.wordpress.com/2011/12/06/scouting-reports-on-newest-sox-rhp-nestor-molina/

...and a post on him from last August... same mixed reviews (pundits calling his stuff "average" and whatnot), with his pitching coach from New Hampshire saying he has "stuff has been as good as I’ve seen at this level. Devastating split."
http://theondeckcircle.net/2011/08/25/holy-hell-nestor-molina-prospect-watch/

Sickels also wrote a piece on why he ranked Molina the top pitching prospect for the Jays (dated 12/1)
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2011/12/1/2603007/further-thoughts-on-the-toronto-blue-jays-farm-system

To me, even a lot of the scouting reports are too varied to get a good read on this trade.  It's clear KW & staff believe he has top-of-the-rotation stuff with his devastating splitter, a fastball that can touch 94~96, a good slider, and good straight change.
Others (Method included) are relying more on the assessment that he's a top-end relief prospect with #3~#4-starter upside.... if that's true, then this trade tilts heavily in Toronto's favor.

The bottom line is that:
1) The kid didn't start pitching until he was 19
2) The kid had been a reliever until 2011, so he likely was unable to showcase his slider and changeup.

The kid has flown under a lot of radars.  Now that he's been moved, I'm expecting to start to see a LOT more on him for 2011.

Where's Rex when you need him in Birmingham???
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 07, 2011, 08:10:54 am
http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/newsstand/discussion/white_sox_trade_sergio_santos_for_blue_jays_prospect_molina/

More discussions over on BaseballThinkFactory....  Another "something to read."
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on December 07, 2011, 08:53:30 am
Anyone else see a lot of Octavio Dotel there?
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 07, 2011, 09:05:12 am
I hope more of a Derek Lowe, personally.... devastating splitter, a heavy fastball, and decent secondary stuff.

I hope.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 07, 2011, 09:17:26 am
I hope not Boat, but that could be exactly what we see. Maybe Coop can Cooperize him.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 07, 2011, 09:48:46 am
Wow, Frankie Francisco gets 12M for 2 years. Always liked his arm.
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 22, 2011, 12:56:26 pm
Rumor about why Dunn sucked last year:

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84114
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 22, 2011, 01:05:57 pm
another one... scroll down to posts 51-52


http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84102&st=45&start=51
Title: Re: Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 22, 2011, 02:02:17 pm
A couple days old, but...

http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-white-sox/2011/12/20/2651257/white-sox-rumors-chicago-yoenis-cespedes-workout
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 31, 2011, 01:15:09 pm
Sox trade Quentin to Padres for two [crappy] minor league pitchers

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-white-sox-trade-quentin-to-padres-for-two-minor-league-pitchers-20111231,0,2379606.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 31, 2011, 01:21:56 pm
Clear $7 mill off the books, clear a spot for Viciedo to play.   All in all not bad, I guess.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 31, 2011, 01:24:32 pm
The Padres wanted him for his superior - er above average right field defensive abilities.

Loveland sees no downside in the trade btw unless they insist on putting Dayan in RF.  Had we done it last year he would have been worth way more.  As usual lately Kenny is more than a day late.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2011, 04:33:12 pm
I'd say they gave him away for a bag of balls.

I also agree with Loveland about putting Viciedo in RF. If its Rios in RF I can live with that, except that means his bat has to be in the lineup >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2011, 04:47:23 pm
If you look at that Cepedes video it shows him playing RF although the trade rumor said he was a CFer..
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 31, 2011, 05:22:08 pm

Quentin a mediocre fit in San Diego

 December, 31, 2011
Dec 31

3:29 PM ET

 
By Keith Law

 
The White Sox shed some salary they didn't need and got two useful minor league arms, while the Padres got one year of a player whose skills align poorly with their home ballpark.

Carlos Quentin is a poor defensive outfielder who has great secondary skills, including above-average power and solid plate discipline, but a career .253 BABIP across over 2,400 major league PA and a history of injuries that should concern an NL team that is going to pretend he can play the field 150 games a year. He could have plenty of value for an AL club hoping he'll make a contract push, particularly in terms of keeping himself on the field as much as possible, but in San Diego -- where there's no DH, defense is more important and the ballpark is big -- he's a mediocre fit.

This is better than just a salary dump for the White Sox, acquiring two projected relievers for one year of Quentin at a salary approaching the likely value of his production. Simon Castro has worked as a starter throughout his minor league career with a solid-average fastball that might touch 94-95 on occasion and an above-average slider as well as a fringy changeup. His command is well behind his control and he's a poor athlete; those factors and his unspectacular strikeout rates (and lack of a plus pitch) point toward a career in the bullpen rather than in the back of a rotation, although if his velocity plays up in relief he could be very effective for 70 innings a year.

Pedro Hernandez has similar velocity and better control, but from the left side with a better changeup than Castro has and less of a breaking ball; he also projects as a reliever or fifth starter, but not a specialist. Six years of control on both guys for one year of Quentin sounds like a good exchange for me.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 31, 2011, 06:52:21 pm
So we trade a starting OF for 2 relievers... seems fitting with this off season.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2011, 09:22:00 pm
Carlos Quentin is a poor defensive outfielder

And how long have I been saying that? Now watch somebody on this board jump up and say it isnt so
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2011, 09:28:07 pm
acquiring two projected relievers

From their ERAs one would suspect that they had a hard time getting anybody out. We need relievers who get batters out. And I believe I read neither pitcher has any major league experience. Sounds like minor league projects.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2011, 09:30:26 pm
I'd watch for the Pads to engineer a deal to the AL for DH duties.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 31, 2011, 10:16:30 pm
Given Hernandez's numbers, age and the fact that he's a lefty, I'm surprised they don't give him a higher grade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 01, 2012, 07:46:59 am
2 relievers? What are you talking about Method. Castro was a top 100 minor league prospect for 2 years, considered the top minor league pitcher for SD. He had a back problem last year, Sox are ok with how he is doing. He throws real hard, mid 90s. Better than any pitching prospect we got already (not saying a whole lot). He may be a starter, but with his fastball and good sinker he might end up closing.

The LH has good control and after converting to being a starter mid year last year he jumped up a couple levels during the year.

Good trade IMHO. I can live with Viciedo in RF. I do NOT want Rios in the lineup. Lazy and lousy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on January 01, 2012, 10:43:16 am
Rios is gonna play...

Law/sickels project both as a relievers...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 01, 2012, 12:07:53 pm
His command is well behind his control
 
What does that mean?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 01, 2012, 01:21:56 pm
Quote


(http://mizunochallenge.com/img/big-league-hitters/athletes/carlos-quentin.png)

Pads acquire Quentin, but to what end?

By Christina Kahrl - ESPN.com

With the Carlos Quentin trade, it was fairly clear what one of the teams wanted. The Chicago White Sox were looking to clear salary, even before they got power lefty John Danks nailed down with a multi-year extension. You can add in the motivating factor of wanting to create an opportunity for hefty former third baseman Dayan Viciedo in the outfield -- not unlike their replacing Albert Belle with hefty former third-base prospect Carlos Lee in 1999.

But for the Padres, things might not seem quite so clear-cut. Adding a player with Quentin’s track record as a power hitter might seem like exactly what they needed after finishing last in the major leagues in power with a .112 isolated power. However, the deal might seem a bit incongruous with some of their other actions this winter. They did just deal their nominal ace, Mat Latos, to the Reds for a package of goodies that, besides wild man Edinson Volquez, was prospect-heavy. That wasn’t a move made to win the NL West right away, but it did provide an already deep Padres organization with blue-chip prospects like Yonder Alonso and Yasmani Grandal.

That same organizational depth provided Josh Byrnes with the excess talent to trade for Quentin, but why go get Quentin in particular? He’s only going to be under club control for a single season -- and he's due a raise via arbitration -- before he reaches free agency. So this is a one-year rental, even less control than they have over their other major trade pickup this winter, Rockies closer Huston Street, who at least came over from Colorado already inked to a club option for 2013.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/19586/pads-acquire-quentin-but-to-what-end (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/19586/pads-acquire-quentin-but-to-what-end)





Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 01, 2012, 04:03:36 pm
Sox trade Frasor back to the Jays

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7410761/chicago-white-sox-trade-jason-frasor-toronto-blue-jays-two-minor-leaguers
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 01, 2012, 05:13:51 pm
Hope that dude we hired from the Blue Jays knows the minor leaguers over there really well.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 01, 2012, 05:15:08 pm
Very happy with the off-season so far.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 01, 2012, 08:07:52 pm
You are fighting a good fight for BW Shoe, I give you credit.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 01, 2012, 10:57:37 pm
Moe Cubans?

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/8386/both-chicago-clubs-may-pursue-cespedes
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on January 02, 2012, 04:06:32 am
Cespedes is becoming a naturalized Dominican?

They're not real Cubans!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2012, 10:37:32 am
The hard-throwing Webb, 22, spent most of last summer at Class A Lansing, where he finished 4-5 with a 5.59 ERA. He was an 18th-round draft choice in 2009, but was paid $450,000 -- three times baseball's recommended money -- for signing after saying he would attend college. At one time he had been projected to go as high as the second round.

Jaye, who just turned 20, was a 17th-round draft choice in 2010 and was 3-3 with a 3.00 ERA in 13 starts and four relief appearances at Rookie League Bluefield.


Sure doesnt sound like much

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-trade-reliever-frasor-to-blue-jays-for-two-minor-league-pitchers-20120101,0,2435867.story

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2012, 10:40:10 am
Who is next? How about Rios?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on January 02, 2012, 10:49:26 am
I like the Fraser trade... sucked to give up jackson for so little... but to get that kinda return on fraser is good... plus we got rid of tea-bag in that series of trades.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2012, 10:54:02 am
I like the Fraser trade... sucked to give up jackson for so little... but to get that kinda return on fraser is good... plus we got rid of tea-bag in that series of trades.

I would like the Frasor trade too if all I wanted was a salary dump. But if you are hoping for major league talent, it doesnt appear to look so good
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on January 02, 2012, 08:43:08 pm
Quote
...plus we got rid of tea-bag in that series of trades.

Dumping Teahen was one of the most productive moves ever. 

Acquiring him in the first place was one of the dumbest.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 03, 2012, 02:47:30 pm
Quote
...plus we got rid of tea-bag in that series of trades.

Dumping Teahen was one of the most productive moves ever. 

Acquiring him in the first place was one of the dumbest.

I disagree that acquiring Teahen was a dumb move.  Simply because all it cost was Josh Fields and Chris Getz. Both of them are/were useless and had no real value on the trade market. Especially when you consider that Brent Lillibridge > Fields + Getz combined and Lillibridge isn't good enough to be a starter on the White Sox. The dumb move was giving Teahen a 3 year/$14M  contract 30 days after acquiring him and before he even played one game in a White Sox uniform. 

I put it in the same category as the Tigers being forced to take Dontrelle Willis to acquire Miguel Cabrera from the Marlins.  Acquiring Willis wasn't the bad move as it was a deal-breaker to acquiring the best hitter in baseball (Cabrera) for what would end up being 6 bad-to-mediocre players (Dallas Trahern, Burke Badenhop, Eulogio De La Cruz, Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller and Mike Rabelo). Two weeks after the trade, when Detroit gave Willis a 3 year/$29M extension before he even threw one pitch for the Tigers was the mistake the Tigers made in an otherwise legendary 'steal' of a trade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 04, 2012, 07:52:16 am
Cameron Maybin is a pretty damn good player himself, not with the team Detroit traded him to, but look what he did for SD last year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on January 04, 2012, 08:23:37 am
Quote
The dumb move was giving Teahen a 3 year/$14M  contract 30 days after acquiring him and before he even played one game in a White Sox uniform.

Yeah, I was including that as part and parcel of the acquisition.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 05, 2012, 02:28:10 pm
Who is next?


@FarrellBall (1/3/2012)
Source: #Jays seem to be pushing harder for Gavin Floyd over the last 48 hours.. McGuire seems to be the centerpiece to a potential trade.


http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=84186



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 05, 2012, 03:26:43 pm


Yoenis Cespedes: The Showcase

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej4AP-veuF8


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on January 05, 2012, 04:32:34 pm
I see a lot of Sammy Sosa mannerisms with this guy... let's hope he's clean.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 05, 2012, 04:41:53 pm
If we get him can we call CF the Ces-Pool?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 05, 2012, 05:36:30 pm
always good stuff at ST:

"DirtySox is gonna cream his pants if the sox get McGuire."
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 05, 2012, 06:22:23 pm
17 pages of posts  all based from some schmoe twitter account.

Hmm.. gives me an idea for some fun during the long winter months....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 17, 2012, 01:51:43 pm
Fake Trades: Shipping Gavin Floyd Away For Prospects

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1/17/2713905/chicago-white-sox-gavin-floyd-trade-rumors (http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1/17/2713905/chicago-white-sox-gavin-floyd-trade-rumors)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 18, 2012, 12:36:25 pm
Red Sox still talking to KW about Gavin:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/white-sox-still-listening-on-gavin-floyd.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 03, 2012, 06:56:04 pm
Jorge Soler Update: Astros, Cubs Among Teams Waiting On Dominican Prospect

http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-astros/2012/3/3/2842240/jorge-soler-update-astros-cubs-among-teams-waiting-on-dominican (http://houston.sbnation.com/houston-astros/2012/3/3/2842240/jorge-soler-update-astros-cubs-among-teams-waiting-on-dominican)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 03, 2012, 06:58:04 pm

Adonis Garcia Rumors: Yankees, A’s Interested in Garcia

http://calltothepen.com/2012/03/02/adonis-garcia-rumors-yankees-as-interested-in-garcia/ (http://calltothepen.com/2012/03/02/adonis-garcia-rumors-yankees-as-interested-in-garcia/)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 12, 2012, 02:25:29 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/03/blue-jays-pursuing-gavin-floyd.html

I'm a generous guy...Floyd and Morel for McGowan and Lawrie...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on March 12, 2012, 07:01:17 pm
Anthopoulos and GM Kenny Williams have completed three trades since last summer, as MLBTR's Transaction Tracker shows.

And we have been roundly screwed by them. They'd have to give us half their team for Floyd to help compensate for all the bad deals. And beings that according to Jim Callis of Baseball America the Sox farm system is near last in talent in all of Major League Baseball, their minor league system has to be lots better than ours
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 12, 2012, 08:05:09 pm
Its actually pretty funny.. we should have gotten Dawson for sergio... instead we got molina... Kenny rarely does well on selling Major league talent.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on March 13, 2012, 08:13:27 am
Metodo, Morel is gonna be a nice player, GG and he will hit, maybe a healthier Crede with a better OBP but less power.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 13, 2012, 09:00:30 am
I agree... its Fury that wants to trade him away.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on March 13, 2012, 11:30:40 am
If he hits .280 this season, I'll agree that he's a keeper.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 13, 2012, 11:45:18 am
I'll be happy with 260 and an OPS of 800 with GG defense.

I am a fan of his all around, and i think he will show a lot of improvement this year... now i wouldn't mind having brett lawrie... but i am happy with morel.

KW should pull the trigger on Floyd for Dawson... not a bad deal and if we're rebuilding might as well shoot for that top 5 pick now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on March 13, 2012, 12:41:11 pm
OBP of .350 with plus defense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: dazed63 on March 13, 2012, 12:45:51 pm
Kenny has been getting fleeced for bags of magic beans lately. I don't mind a trade but................

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on March 13, 2012, 01:24:29 pm
.260 is substandard in my mind, unless he drives in 90 runs too.  In general, you're not going to win a division with a bunch of mediocre .260 hitters.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 13, 2012, 02:38:27 pm
if hes got an .800 ops he'd be in the top half of the league for 3bman with GG defense as a second year player... i can live with that.

Dont expect everyone to come up and be as amazing as Beckham... i think Morel will continue to trend in the right direction unlike some other players we have.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on March 13, 2012, 08:25:01 pm
Speaking of mushrooms, I hear they are going to be early this year, even as early as next week if this warm spell continues.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Sophist on March 14, 2012, 01:41:07 am
Method:  you can "live with" an .800 OPS?  I hope so: that would put him in the top 30 or 40 hitters in the AL!


Fury:  BA?  really?   Some guys who didn't hit .260 last year:  Ian Kinsler, Kevin Youkilis, Mark Texiera, Evan Longoria, Ryan Howard, Jay Bruce, Andrew McCutcheon.


I think you could cobble together a pretty good club out of guys who can't even hit .260 (not that Morel will be as good as any of them, just sayin' that BA of .260 is not a standard that tells you a whole lot).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on March 14, 2012, 09:02:00 am
Sorry Metodo, I should have directed that to ISF, altho I too like Lawrie.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 14, 2012, 09:29:31 am
heh... c'mon... i didnt demand he be an all-star the second he came up.. i'm tempering my expectations... i think he'll manage a +.800 ops. or get aweful close.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 14, 2012, 10:00:23 am
Lawrie is going to be a monster.

I like Morel, but if you have a chance to get a talent like Lawrie...

Realistically, KW would end up getting Drabek and some other chattel back.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 14, 2012, 10:03:58 am
we'd be lucky if KW could get Drabek for Floyd... really really lucky...

I'm thinking he'll get some AA prospect with awesome control thats 2-3 years out and already about 23.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on March 14, 2012, 02:02:48 pm
Quote
Fury:  BA?  really?   Some guys who didn't hit .260 last year:  Ian Kinsler, Kevin Youkilis, Mark Texiera, Evan Longoria, Ryan Howard, Jay Bruce, Andrew McCutcheon.

Yeah, well, the bar keeps getting set lower and lower.  And it's not like there are a bunch of Bob Gibsons in the league.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on March 14, 2012, 02:16:58 pm
It's more about OBP than average.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on March 14, 2012, 04:21:51 pm
Well, I like to see both.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 28, 2012, 03:59:13 pm
In a minor league trade before the game, the Sox dealt outfielder Christian Marrero to the Atlanta organization for future cash considerations.


"Next time I'm in town, you give me cab fare."

"Deal."
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 03:12:23 pm


(http://www.sportsbuy.com/images/scans/556517.jpg)


As mention earlier in one of the other threads, the White Sox sign Kip Wells to a minor league contract.

Quote

But Wells, 35 later this month, was throwing 93-94 mph in tryouts for teams (he had one for the Mets, as well), so it may not be quite the long shot folks might assume. White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper said he was throwing "good'' and the team needed veteran depth at the Triple-A level. It's a low-risk deal for the White Sox since he'll be in the minors at the start, and he's going to need several weeks to get into pitching shape, but he is serious about it.


Quote

Another team or two showed interest, but Wells wanted to do it for the White Sox because he has fond memories of pitching for them a decade ago (he was a White Sox from 1999-2001), and like a lot of players who played on Chicago's South Side, he has especially fond memories of working for White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf.

read more:  http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/18346902/kip-wells-remember-him-is-back-with-white-sox-on-a-minorleague-deal (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/18346902/kip-wells-remember-him-is-back-with-white-sox-on-a-minorleague-deal)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on April 07, 2012, 05:17:21 pm
Hey, why not? Lightning in a bottlle. Woo Hoo.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on April 07, 2012, 06:07:22 pm
I'll be rooting for him. Just hope hes picked up his pace on the mound. Could be nice BP arm, he always went after hitters at the start and started nibbling...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on April 07, 2012, 07:51:41 pm
like a lot of players who played on Chicago's South Side, he has especially fond memories of working for White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf.

Seems like not that long ago that everyone would disparage the White Sox when they would leave, especially if it was a trade.  What changed?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on April 08, 2012, 07:25:14 am
I'll be rooting for him. Just hope hes picked up his pace on the mound. Could be nice BP arm, he always went after hitters at the start and started nibbling...

He was Nardi-ized... as soon as he left here, his fastball went from 89-91 to 95-97.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on April 08, 2012, 11:42:49 am
Article said hes up to 93/94.

If that cutter of his actually cuts... might be a good pickup...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 10, 2012, 08:28:15 pm


(http://o.onionstatic.com/images/articles/article/9719/Fidel-Castro_jpg_630x1200_upscale_q85.jpg)

White Sox acquire Castro:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/10/white-sox-acquire-castro (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/10/white-sox-acquire-castro)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on May 09, 2012, 12:51:04 pm
Unky Phil seems the think the Sox would be interested in trading Thorton for You-Kill-Us (scroll down to number 2):

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-your-morning-phil-wood-youkilis-hamilton-20120509,0,935462.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on May 09, 2012, 02:34:08 pm
Youk is hurt a lot these days... but would love to have him at 3rd
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on May 09, 2012, 04:12:16 pm
No thanks, a scout said at start of this season Youkilis would do poorly. Said his swing is really bad. We do not need another Rios for chrissakes.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on May 10, 2012, 12:48:50 pm
Unfortunately McPherson and Jackson are both out, so we really don't have anyone we can bring up.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 20, 2012, 03:01:54 pm


(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3014/2788752984_80a1d558ae_z.jpg)

Hudson likely to join Sox for Twins series

By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 12:20 p.m. CDT, May 20, 2012


The Chicago White Sox have taken a 2-0 lead in 13 series against the Cubs, only to complete a three-game sweep only twice. They have a chance to complete the sweep Sunday at Wrigley Field with a different lineup against left-hander Paul Maholm.

Tyler Flowers will start at catcher in place of A.J. Pierzynski. Left-handed hitter Kosuke Fukudome will start in right field in place of Alex Rios, who is 3-for-15 and nursing a sore left side. Brent Lillibridge will start at third base for the fifth time this season.

Meanwhile, manager Robin Ventura indicated that four-time Gold Glove second baseman Orlando Hudson probably would join the Sox on Tuesday.

Hudson was released Thursday by San Diego and is expected to clear waivers, with the Sox obligated to pay only the pro-rated major league minimum of his $5.5 million salary.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-flowers-fukudome-lillibridge-in-soxs-lineup-hudson-likely-to-arrive-for-twins-series-20120520,0,7538938.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-flowers-fukudome-lillibridge-in-soxs-lineup-hudson-likely-to-arrive-for-twins-series-20120520,0,7538938.story)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 12, 2012, 01:57:06 pm

Trade rumour:

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=86142
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 12, 2012, 02:25:08 pm
rumour

Fag.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 12, 2012, 02:45:12 pm
What is the poor prognosis on JD?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 12, 2012, 02:57:04 pm
What is the poor prognosis on JD?

That he's banking at least seven figures just to watch Oprah?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 12, 2012, 04:13:31 pm
Found this on JD

White Sox pitching coach Don Cooper said Thursday that John Danks (shoulder) is not close to returning.
"John is not feeling so hot," Cooper told WSCR-AM 670. "His shoulder is not feeling so good, we've made minimal progress with it and from my standpoint -- I don’t mean this fully, I love John -- he’s not on my radar right now. We would love to have John back, but that doesn’t look like that’s happening in the next two-to-three weeks at least." Danks has been on the disabled list since May 20. He'll aim to return by the middle of August. Jul. 12 - 11:47 am et
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 12, 2012, 05:01:10 pm
Heh
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 16, 2012, 02:40:14 pm
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19596062/white-sox-are-latest-to-enter-greinke-derby

The surprising White Sox now have Zack Greinke on their radar, scoures said.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 16, 2012, 02:57:04 pm
Greinke is a head case...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2012, 07:59:10 am
I thought we had plenty of those on the roster
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 17, 2012, 10:28:12 am
Milwaukee has no big-money trade partners for Greinke. He can't play in NY.

Greinke would probably be a relatively cheap buy player-wise, KW would need Jerry to take on the payroll.

He'd be a good bet to help us get to the playoffs. Wouldn't count on him if we got there though.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2012, 10:39:20 am
IMHO the Yankees and the Red Sox need pitching badly and there will be a sellers market for any solid pitcher like Grienke. OTOH I would rather see the Sox get Grienke. He always beat our brains in when he played for KC. I'd rather have Grienke on our team than against us.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 18, 2012, 04:17:06 pm
Reinsdorf and fact that he is buds with Bud may give us a leg up.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 18, 2012, 10:22:09 pm
Doesnt Bud's daughter run that team?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 19, 2012, 12:55:42 am
Doesnt Bud's daughter run that team?

No.  The Selig family sold the Brewers to Mark Attanasio for $200 million in September 2004.  The deal was approved by MLB at the owners' winter meeting on January 13, 2005.  Wendy Selig-Prieb and her husband, Laurel Prieb, left the Brewers organization on the day of the sale's approval.  Wendy is out of baseball.  She's the president of Worth New York, a women's apparel company.  Laurel Prieb is the Vice President for Western Operations and Special Projects for Major League Baseball.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 19, 2012, 07:18:25 am
OK. So why is it some here think because of the Bud friendship that the Sox have a higher possibility of landing Grienke?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 19, 2012, 10:18:13 am
Yeah, Ms. Some, why?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 19, 2012, 01:53:37 pm
Shhhh..... I was hoping he would just go away.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 19, 2012, 01:56:12 pm
I found us a non-rookie for the bullpen....

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/07/nationals-designate-rick-ankiel-for-assignment.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 19, 2012, 02:13:58 pm
That would be funny... sign him to a minor league contract and put him in the Knight's bullpen.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 19, 2012, 02:15:03 pm
Just make sure to keep the pitch count.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 21, 2012, 02:20:55 pm
Quote

'tweet' from Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports:

Source: #WhiteSox acquire Brett Myers from #Astros.



http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/mlb-rumors/19627816/report-white-sox-acquire-brett-myers (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/mlb-rumors/19627816/report-white-sox-acquire-brett-myers)




Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 21, 2012, 03:57:15 pm
Houston receives right-hander Matt Heidenreich and left-hander Blair Walters. and a PTBNL.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 21, 2012, 07:24:28 pm
Should not get hurt with those 2 prospects, both decent but not considered to be "stuff" guys.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 24, 2012, 04:50:26 pm
White Sox GM Kenny Williams has already traded for Kevin Youkilis and Brett Myers, but he may not be done dealing yet, Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports write.
The White Sox want to add a starting pitcher and Zack Greinke is high on their list of potentially available arms, Rosenthal and Morosi report.

•The White Sox are eager to move Gavin Floyd, Rosenthal and Morosi report.
•Though the White Sox don’t have a deep farm system, they could flip Floyd for prospects and use those prospects to acquire Greinke from Milwaukee,
Rosenthal and Morosi suggest.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 24, 2012, 05:05:36 pm
Pass on Greinke.  Target Dempster instead, he's the only vet starter out there I'm interested in.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 24, 2012, 05:35:16 pm
I like whichever pitcher we end up with  ;D
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 24, 2012, 06:56:15 pm
Is Mark Buehrle available?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 24, 2012, 07:15:05 pm
I've been tempted about 14 times to point out that the one guy that would elevate this team into a legit contender is Buehrle....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 24, 2012, 07:47:17 pm

I'd only be interested in Buehrle's return if the Marlins pay all of his deferred $4 million signing bonus, eat at least 1/2 of his remaining contract and would take 3rd tier prospects back in trade.  I'm guessing the 2014 & 2015 seasons Buehrle will be well overpaid, especially when he'll be averaging $18.5 million per year.

Buehrle's Marlins contract:

4 years/$58M (2012-15)

    signed by Miami as a free agent 12/8/11
    $4M signing bonus (deferred without interest)
    12:$6M, 13:$11M, 14:$18M, 15:$19M



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 24, 2012, 08:05:13 pm
Been thinking about a return of Buehrle ever since Miami went into fire sale mode.

Andy for GM!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 24, 2012, 09:40:36 pm
Dempster is going to be a brave... and hes also what 35? hes not going to maintain that awesome ERA...

I'll b happy to move floyd and whatever prospects the brewers want for ZG... he might be a headcase... but hes got one hell of an arm.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 24, 2012, 10:22:11 pm
I've been thinking about Buehrle too.  Sigh.  Do it JR.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 25, 2012, 06:09:14 am
I am not a Dumpster lover.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 25, 2012, 08:10:27 am
Greinke.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 25, 2012, 02:25:23 pm
Nothing really new, but...

Rosenthal: #WhiteSox want Greinke badly.

https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/228189797901021185
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 26, 2012, 09:14:25 am
Stolen from a poster at SoxTalk. Not sure if this person has a legit inside source or not so take it for what it's worth:

FWIW: KW has had an offer out there for a while now for Greinke. It's substantial and includes key mlb roster talent. Sox are very determined to land him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 26, 2012, 09:15:21 am
anyone but sale.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 26, 2012, 09:31:50 am
Floyd is supposedly going to be moved if we get Greinke.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 26, 2012, 09:34:50 am
I normally don't get involved in trade speculation shiitchat, but I've read it's going to be Braves, Angels, Rangers, or White Sox, with maybe the Rangers the favorite.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 26, 2012, 10:20:49 am
anyone but sale.

Sale is untouchable and I'm sure the whole baseball world knows that. I'm guessing anyone else if fair game though and that makes me a bit nervous depending on who it is. If it's Floyd, Beckham, Thornton and some prospects...fine. But including both Jones and Reed, for example, and then I don't know. Greinke will only be here for 2 months. I see the need to go for it this year but also don't if it's a good enough g a m b l e to lose too many key pieces.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 26, 2012, 10:25:27 am
The forum censored you on g a m b l e?

I don't want to let go of Reed in any deal for Greinke.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 26, 2012, 10:41:26 am
Is Reed even being mentioned. Not that I know of, he is a keeper, I think Jones is too. Coomer and Bremer were raving about him throwing 98-99 on the gun the other night. Wait until he gets better command. KW is not going to give up a ton for a rental, as no way we pay Greinke past this year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 26, 2012, 10:45:22 am
I would guess Reed is one of the first names they would ask for... and for a grienke we can part wit him. myers can close and street is available via trade as well.

No one wants the crapheap that is beckham/thorny/floyd.

Floyd might be a good throw in to give them innings but i dont see a deal being built around him. we might lose tank/reed/mitchell/floyd for him... and i'd be fine with that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 26, 2012, 11:05:48 am
the forum censored you on g a m b l e?

Yep! Crazy.

Is Reed even being mentioned.

No one is really being mentioned, except that Rosenthal speculated Floyd and others to the Blue Jays for prospects that would be flipped to Milwaukee. But Milwaukee is looking for top pitching and I think bullpen is a big need for them, so I'm guessing Reed would be high on their list. I also think he'll develop into an elite closer and not sure I want to lose him (and certainly not both him and Viciedo) for a 2 month rental.

However, if it happens and we win the world series (or even just make it to the world series) it would obviously be worth it. Just such a big risk to take.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 26, 2012, 11:17:35 am
going rate... we dont have the players to get him other wise.

Braves are apparently offering Delgado and Minor... but the brewers want Tehran
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 26, 2012, 11:57:26 am
Milwaukee doesn't have a whole lot of leverage with Greinke, so the return isn't going to be overwhelming.
He'll be an FA in 2 months, no one is likely to overpay for that. Look at what Florida got for Ramirez.

Floyd and Thornton are most probably part of any deal.

I don't buy Toronto involvement. If needed their prospects, they would be after him themselves. They are buyers for this year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 26, 2012, 11:58:32 am
Braves will only give up those 2 if he is signed to an extension.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 26, 2012, 11:59:14 am
I agree with ISF, no way we have to give up Viciedo, Reed etc....

Thornton and a big time prospect (someone we get for Floyd) would do it. If others want to give up more for the lame brain then let them. Metodo is waaaaaay out in RF on this one.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on July 26, 2012, 12:26:07 pm
I agree.... Method, no way we're giving up Viciedo or even Mitchell to get Greinke.  Certainly not Reed.

Give 'em Floyd-Thornton-Beckham and maybe a decent low level prospect.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 26, 2012, 12:41:45 pm
I think you guys are WAY overvaluing what thorny/floyd/reed are worth to other teams.

I didnt realize he wasnt signed thru next year... so that will lower his price.

But if Braves are offering a blue chipper like delgado + for grenke... Brewers are going to want a lot more then our cast off veterans...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 26, 2012, 12:59:50 pm
t****

Heh.  I know what that was supposed to be.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 27, 2012, 07:44:41 pm
aaaannd you don't have to worry about Greinke anymore. Was fairly shocked by how little the Haloes had to give up. WTF?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2012, 08:35:20 pm
Not sure who the AA pitchers were.. but segura is a top 50 prospect... and a top 10 MI prospect at this time.

Mitchell doesnt even crack the top 100 at this time.

I can see them wanting a INF back after losing Lawrie
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2012, 08:43:33 pm
With Grienke off the market... i'd take a shot at Garza... hurt or not. hes even under contract for next year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2012, 08:49:41 pm
I'm telling you - Mark Buehrle.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2012, 08:52:22 pm
 John Hellweg and Ariel Pena are the AA pitchers...

I've read good things about hellweg... he'd probably be a top 3 in our system...

here is what law had to say about hellweg "At 6'9", the imposing Hellweg and his devastating high 90's fastball could have the highest ceiling of any player in the organization not named Mike Trout."

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2012, 08:54:47 pm
JC... i would love that... but you cant trade  a player in the first year after he signs a multi year FA contract correct?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 27, 2012, 09:47:18 pm
Why not?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 27, 2012, 10:31:41 pm
I'm more concerned with SoxRule being pi ssed off at me. I posted a straightforward baseball "Trades and Rumors" thing here in the hopes that she wouldn't think of me as being total bait-ass. I actually do talk about baseball on a non-retarted level. . . sometimes.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2012, 11:02:44 pm
JC... i would love that... but you cant trade  a player in the first year after he signs a multi year FA contract correct?

I thought you could after June 1 or something like that.

Andy / MSF would probably know....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 27, 2012, 11:16:39 pm
i was under the impression its part of the collective bargaining agreement... perhaps the rule states june 1st... before trades... but i thought it was no trading a FA in the first year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 28, 2012, 07:37:28 am
Can you imagine the electric atmosphere at the Cell for Buehrle's first game back as a White Sox? That would be amazing.

However, it's not happening. Have you seen Buerhle's contract? It is so heavily backloaded that no one will trade for him unless the Marlins pick up a huge amount of his salary. And if the Marlins are trying to do a salary dump of players this year, that kind of defeats the purpose for them.

After the Marlins spent all that money, everyone saw it coming a mile away that if they didn't win the World Series in a year or two they would dismantle the team (like they've done the previous times they tried to buy a World Series). Still surprised though that they're giving up 4 months into their new stadium's inaugural season.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 28, 2012, 09:05:31 am
Actually, in the past, I recall the Marlins jettisoning high-priced players even if they do make it to the WS, especially in '97.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 28, 2012, 09:54:13 am
Right, because they wanted to dump salary after winning the world series instead of trying to win more. But did they pick up any of the tab on those high priced players? Because Reinsdorf is not taking on Buehrle's salary unless the Marlins cover a big part of it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 28, 2012, 12:27:36 pm
I'd kick the tires on Jake Arrieta from Baltimore. He's struggled this year, but he sort of reminds me of Jack McDowell that way.
All the tools are there, type of pitcher I could see Coop straightening out quickly.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 28, 2012, 02:11:05 pm
Because Reinsdorf is not taking on Buehrle's salary unless the Marlins cover a big part of it.

Yep, the Marlins gain nothing by moving Buehrle if they can't move the salary as well. I don't want to see the Sox take on that salary. Marlins went on a spending **** and now it's biting them in the butt.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2012, 03:17:18 pm
Because Reinsdorf is not taking on Buehrle's salary unless the Marlins cover a big part of it.

Yep, the Marlins gain nothing by moving Buehrle if they can't move the salary as well. I don't want to see the Sox take on that salary. Marlins went on a spending **** and now it's biting them in the butt.

spree sp ree

that's censored?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2012, 03:17:44 pm
hmm. Now I'm curious as to what Jheter wrote.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 28, 2012, 03:37:01 pm
o rgy

Let's try orgiastic just for snicks.

Hah, that gets through!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 28, 2012, 03:41:13 pm
twat is evidenly ok

This censor has some weird bias I can't quite figure out.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 28, 2012, 03:56:54 pm
JC... i would love that... but you cant trade  a player in the first year after he signs a multi year FA contract correct?

I thought you could after June 1 or something like that.

Andy / MSF would probably know....

June 15 is the day a MLB free agent signee can be traded without his permission.  The player can waive that right in writing in order to be traded sooner.

Method is confusing the wait time on trading players drafted in the 'First Year Player Entry Draft' (Rule 4 Draft).  Players taken then are protected from trade until one full year has elapsed from their signing their initial contract.  Example:  The White Sox can't trade Courtney Hawkins until late June 2013.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 28, 2012, 10:11:56 pm
Francisco Liriano to the White Sox for Eduardo Escobar and a minor league player.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 28, 2012, 10:15:06 pm
LHP Pedro Hernandez is the minor leaguer.

I'll buy. I hate to lose Escobar, but Liriano gives us an exceptional #3/#4 pitcher.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 28, 2012, 10:15:14 pm
Minor league player is Pedro Hernandez.

Liriano has sucked all year imho... other then the no no...

cooop... time to work your magic.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 28, 2012, 10:28:49 pm
Good trade, did not give up too much, I like Escobar, but to get a guy like Liriano. If nothing else, he can be a setup man in the pen with Thornton, but I am sure he will start. He has talent. Now do we trade Floyd or Humber? Shut down Sale?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2012, 10:34:41 pm
I heard the name of James Shields mentioned as also available. He has had a rough year too
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 28, 2012, 10:36:13 pm
But I wanted Buehrle.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 28, 2012, 10:38:09 pm
I would love Buehrle but not at that price.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 28, 2012, 11:33:34 pm
This is a total reclamation project, Twins don't let this loose until they know it's "icky"- get on it Coop! Even if it's for one season.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2012, 07:57:15 am
Buehrle Fd up, his problem he is stuck in Miami with Ozzie.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 29, 2012, 10:07:04 am
Gavin Floyd for Yunel Escobar and a prospect?

We have recent history with Toronto and an immediate need for MI help.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2012, 11:53:05 am
I think I like the idea of keeping 6 starting pitchers, and just bring up Ray Olmedo from AAA. He almost beat out Escobar in ST for the backup job, started real slow after being sent down, but has been having a better and better year as it goes along. He has major league experience and can handle the backup job.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 29, 2012, 01:56:24 pm
you ask, they deliver..


White Sox purchase contract of Rey Olmedo

from Class AAA Charlotte



ARLINGTON, Texas – Prior to tonight’s game at Texas, the Chicago White Sox purchased the contract of infielder Rey Olmedo from Class AAA Charlotte.
 
Olmedo, 31, was batting .273 (75-275) with no home runs and 19 RBI in 80 games with Charlotte this season.  The switch-hitter appeared in 41 games at shortstop, 19 at third base, 17 at second and two in the outfield.
 
A native of Maracay, Venezuela, Olmedo is a career .228 (92-403) hitter with two home runs and 26 RBI in 198 major-league games with Cincinnati (2003-06) and Toronto (2007).
 
Olmedo will wear uniform No. 66.
 
The White Sox 40-man roster is at 40.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 29, 2012, 03:47:55 pm
hmm. Now I'm curious as to what Jheter wrote.

Before I scrolled down to see the answer, I was sure that the censored word was ****.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 29, 2012, 03:52:15 pm
Buehrle Fd up, his problem he is stuck in Miami with Ozzie.

Buehrle Fd up?  How?  Both Reinsdorf and KW are on record as saying that they weren't going to pony up for what he could get on the open market and that he should take his best offer.  Essentially a statement of "we're not going to resign you."

If anything, KW Fd up by tying up any $ they could throw at Buehrle in contacts for Dunn, Rios, and Danks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2012, 04:07:14 pm
He could have stayed, but he priced himself out of town. He seemed to "want" to leave in my opinion.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 29, 2012, 04:25:07 pm
Danks signed after mb left....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 29, 2012, 05:12:20 pm
Given what Dunn and Rios have done this year, having Buehrle here instead of them, not so hot.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 29, 2012, 05:55:37 pm
Liriano's first start is Tuesday. Against the Twins. In MN. That should be interesting. Based on conversation with Twins' reporter I just heard on pre-game, he can be a bit mentally fragile (a la Floyd) , especially with runners on base.

This was the first time Twins and Sox have made a deal since 1986!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 29, 2012, 06:13:27 pm
Given what Dunn and Rios have done this year, having Buehrle here instead of them, not so hot.

Booooo... I disagree. Dunn i can agree with... but has rios earned his 96 million he'll get from us... not even close.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 29, 2012, 07:52:18 pm
I was only talking about this year's team, not the entire contract. You would rather have Burly here this year, and no Dunn or Rios here this year? That's nuts!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 29, 2012, 07:58:21 pm
Wow, people are so obsessed with their little quibbles, that they're not paying any attn to the Liriano gambit. Nice job, geniouses.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 29, 2012, 08:14:25 pm
I was only talking about this year's team, not the entire contract. You would rather have Burly here this year, and no Dunn or Rios here this year? That's nuts!

No issues with the Dunn gambit... I would MUCH rather have MB then Rios, esp since they cost the same amt...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2012, 08:34:53 pm
I was only talking about this year's team, not the entire contract. You would rather have Burly here this year, and no Dunn or Rios here this year? That's nuts!

No issues with the Dunn gambit... I would MUCH rather have MB then Rios, esp since they cost the same amt...

I've got to agree with that. While Rios is having a fine year and should be commended for such, its pitching, pitching and more pitching. If Danks were healthy and Floyd was having a good year maybe I could be swayed the other way but letting Buehrle go was a mistake.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 29, 2012, 08:37:56 pm
Floyd was having a good year?

We as Sox fans are way to enamored with his abilities... hes no more then Humber... just with better stuff...

Doesnt have what it takes between the ears.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 29, 2012, 08:40:43 pm
Method,

You can't agree with one and not the other, the question was would you rather have in this 2011 season Burly here, and both Dunn and Rios gone (and their stats this year), or have both here, but no Burly this year. That's how the question was originally put.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on July 29, 2012, 09:03:34 pm
Danks signed after mb left....

'Cuz that sh1t happens in a vacuum, you know.

That's how the question was originally put.

 I presume this "question" is not being attributed to me, as that was not the gist of my observation.  It was simply that the budget had already been tapped out on Dunn/Rios/Danks (throw Konerko and AJ in there for the same purpose) and the Sox brass decided from a financial standpoint that the going rate for a guy with Buehrle's career creds wasn't going to fit into their budget.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 29, 2012, 09:06:32 pm
Method,

You can't agree with one and not the other, the question was would you rather have in this 2011 season Burly here, and both Dunn and Rios gone (and their stats this year), or have both here, but no Burly this year. That's how the question was originally put.

Ok... Then yes going back and not having the the brilliance of hindsight... i'd rather have MB+ 15 million a year of a player(s) on my team then Rios and Dunn.. Its not a fair question, as you are asking would you rather have a 15 million dollar pitcher or 33 million worth of position players...

with that said lets look at in a different view... would you rather have MB and Dunn... or Rios and Dunn... if you look at it that way... its pretty easy to pick at least in my view... i'd rather have the proven pitcher vs the enigmatic RF being paid about what Kemp is being paid for playing CF... now if Rios was a GG CF things would be different.

I'd wager most GM's would rather have MB over Rios if cost were the same...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2012, 09:12:00 pm
I was as pissed as anyone that MB left. I know we sorta kicked him out, but damn, he just always seemed to want to leave, unlike Konerko, who seemed to want to stay. I think if MB wanted to stay, he could have.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 29, 2012, 09:15:45 pm
Meh... could he?

It seemed this enitire off-season... we were dumping salary and trying to rebuild.. short of re-signing JD... what did we do this  off-season that said we were going for it this year???

MB was shown the door because they decided we didnt have a shot this year... if KW thought we did, he wouldnt have let MB walk.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 29, 2012, 10:14:39 pm
This year, and only looking at this year, I would rather have Rios and Dunn over Burly and Dunn, Rios has had an all-star season. Not talking about prior seasons. I'm not  fan of Rios, but this year, he has played as well as anyone on the team.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 30, 2012, 06:42:05 am
I think part of this Rios/Buehrle thing falls on KWs shoulders. No way was KW going to admitt failure in acquiring Rios.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2012, 07:58:52 am
he always had the choice to take less money to stay a Sox if he so wanted.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 30, 2012, 08:45:18 am
Did he MSF?

It really seemed we were in full on salary dumping mode this off-season... i dont think he was given a chance to stay... or i'm bitter hes wearing a different uniform...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2012, 08:57:41 am
oh come on, you really believe if he told JR he wanted to stay a Sox that we would not have accommadated him. I think he let it known that he was going to go for the money. Why not take 3M less a year for crissakes. 12 M a year is not enough for the family to live on???

I am sure the staff holds some of the responsibilty for him being gone, but not all of it is on JR and KW.

Hell, would our team wellness be the same if Buehrle stayed? Maybe not.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 30, 2012, 09:02:12 am
He told JR he would be back in 4 years.   I read that just recently.  JR told him to take the money, that it was more than he was worth.  Funny.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on July 30, 2012, 09:04:00 am
Why not take 3M less a year for crissakes. 12 M a year is not enough for the family to live on???

Have you seen his truck?  Probably needs $3M a year just for gas for that thing.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 30, 2012, 09:23:19 am
He told JR he would be back in 4 years.   I read that just recently.  JR told him to take the money, that it was more than he was worth.  Funny.

I hope he is!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 30, 2012, 09:38:43 am
JR told him to take the money

And he did! Ha!

I hope MB is back at some point too, but going by this year only, I don't think we are in first place without Rios. He has been the only one to be consistent offensively all year and has single handedly won a couple games. Sure, Buerhle would be great to have, but at that salary? No way. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2012, 10:14:02 am
Given my choice, I'd rather have Gio Gonzalez...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2012, 03:08:21 pm
Interesting that Santiago was sent down to AAA and not Septimo. Maybe we would have lost Septimo, but not Santiago?? Too many rules.

Tough staff I guess, a 3.66 ERA, 2-1 record, and 43 Ks in 32 innings. Most teams would kill for a LH reliever who can do that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2012, 03:23:26 pm
Hopefully its just temporary until we can trade Thornton.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2012, 03:34:37 pm
I hear ya there. Santiago has some bad stats, like wild pitches and homers, but he has settled down of late.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 30, 2012, 04:28:05 pm
Trib says Septimo out of options.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2012, 07:51:00 pm
Thanks
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 31, 2012, 02:10:36 pm
Under an hour to go...

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/jondun5/futr.jpg)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 03, 2012, 04:17:15 pm
Welcome back, Dewayne Wise...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-sox-resign-dewayne-wise-to-minor-league-deal-20120803,0,7160250.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 03, 2012, 04:27:40 pm


(http://www.milb.com/images/2012/07/26/iQur6y5S.jpg)

ISF's link above also reports White Sox minor league right-handed pitcher Chris Devenski was sent to the Astros as the PTBNL in the Bret Meyers trade.  The 21-year old Devenski who pitched for Cal. State - Fullerton was the White Sox 25th-round pick in the June 2011 MLB Amateur Entry Draft.

http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2012/8/3/3218335/ptbnl-in-myers-deal-is-chris-devenski (http://www.crawfishboxes.com/2012/8/3/3218335/ptbnl-in-myers-deal-is-chris-devenski)

http://climbingtalshill.com/2012/08/03/astros-acquire-chris-devenski-complete-trade-with-white-sox/ (http://climbingtalshill.com/2012/08/03/astros-acquire-chris-devenski-complete-trade-with-white-sox/)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 05, 2012, 11:11:16 pm
If back in April, someone was to suggest that we trade Lilly, Escobar, and some minor league junk for Youk, Myers, and Francisco, with Boston paying Youk's salary. we would consider it an insane impossibility.

For as much as we all have knocked KW the past few years, I am glad Ozzie is gone and not KW
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 06, 2012, 08:34:50 am
no kidding, there is no way I would have believed it
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 06, 2012, 04:27:58 pm
no kidding, there is no way I would have believed it

Did you all forget about IKWIT? Heh. I believed in him all along!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 06, 2012, 07:15:55 pm
Oh, he always gets his man it seems, but he used to always overpay in prospects (or so we used to think). Now he is giving up **** even in our own opinions, amazing to me.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on August 06, 2012, 07:53:24 pm
About the only trade of his since 2005 that I'd undo is giving up Gonzalez for Swisher.  Can't think of any others off the top of my head that scream WTF like that one.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on August 06, 2012, 07:58:42 pm
Todd Ritchie
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on August 06, 2012, 08:34:15 pm
I said "since 2005" -- or are you throwing out that name just to send Method into hysteria?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 06, 2012, 08:35:31 pm
Todd Ritchie was before 2005, and who did we lose in that one?

The other trade I would undo, Daniel Hudson for Edwin Jackson
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 06, 2012, 08:50:03 pm
yeah, if Hudson does not hurt his arm that one looks real bad. And we thru in a kid named Holmberg, one of the top young LH prospects, he was a 2nd rounder for us.

Gio for Swisher, along with Sweeney and De Los Santos (another arm injury and he was just traded away recently) as well as the Swisher for garbage trade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 06, 2012, 09:16:06 pm
Since 2005, i'd say Swisher trade (where we got him), Trading away Chris young for JV, Hudson trade, and second Swisher trade... are the worst...

Hes had some steals since then too though, Getting Q for Carter was a steal. Youk Trade was a huge steal. Danks was a great get.

Now before 2005... thats a different story.

If we would keep up with last years drafting strategy of high cieling players.... he might end up being a good gm after all. Their refusal to go after hard to sign players really bothers me... ie Mike Freaking Trout.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 06, 2012, 09:23:47 pm

4nek8 --

Since 2005:

How about the December 4, 2008 trade where he gave up Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan to the Atlanta Braves for John Gilmore, Santos Rodriguez, Tyler Flowers and Brent Lillibridge?

Trading for Nick Swisher was bad but equally as bad was our trading Swisher away to the Yankees for what amounted to nothing as the players we got back (Jeff Marquez & Jhonny Núñez) pitched a combined 6.2 innings in a White Sox uniform.  When both of them left the organization we didn't get anything back for them.  The Sox also received Wilson Betimit in the trade.  Wilson was so bad that he was relegated to the minors after only 50 plate appearances.  Betimit left in free agency at the end of the first year. The 'throw in' minor league pitcher the White Sox included in the deal with the Yankees (Kanekoa Texeira) has appeared in 49 MLB games pitching a total of 67.2 innings since the trade.

I bet msf still doesn't like the July 2009 trade of Brandon Allen to the D-Backs for pitcher Tony Pena.

Trading for Mike MacDougal was bad.  Would have been worse if either of the two pitchers we sent to KC (Tyler Lumsden & Dan Cortes) ever developed into competent MLB players.

Not a major deal but trading Ross Gload to the Royals in December 2006 for the absolutely awful Andy Sisco was bad.  Gload went onto to have five good seasons with the Royals, Marlins and Phillies while Sisco pitched only 14 innings in a White Sox uniform and had a really bad 8.36 ERA.  Gload would have been a very good backup for Paulie at 1st and a decent 4th outfielder.



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on August 06, 2012, 09:34:05 pm
But of course. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 06, 2012, 09:53:16 pm
I wouldn't classify trading JV as a great loss, he had a great year for Atlanta, but not much since, and he couldn't pitch under pressure. Lilly at least got us Youk, and Flowers might still have value.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on August 06, 2012, 11:18:38 pm
I'm just glad the Larry Himes and Ron Schueler regimes are long gone...

Cripes, did we even trade a marginal prospect when those guys were calling the shots?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 07, 2012, 07:56:15 am
How about getting Matt Thornton for Joe Borchard? Highway robbery!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on August 07, 2012, 11:53:48 am
Quote
How about getting Matt Thornton for Joe Borchard?

I don't know, that might be a wash, considering that Thornton seems to blow nearly every pressure situation that he pitches in.  How many games has he lost for us? 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 07, 2012, 12:57:23 pm
In the context of the trade, it is not even close to a wash. For 2 years Thornton was one of the best , if not the best, reliever in baseball. We got him for Joe Borchard. Relievers tend to be unpredictable from year to year anyway and even with Thornton not being near his best this year.....Kenny got him for Joe "never to be heard from again" Borchard!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on August 07, 2012, 04:53:06 pm
Thornton's been unreliable for some time now.  At least two years...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 07, 2012, 04:57:54 pm
Its no secret he doesnt do well in high pressure situations... but thru last year he was one of the better LH relievers around...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 07, 2012, 06:24:27 pm
Still nice to have, just have to be careful with him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 10, 2012, 10:58:24 am
Kuhn-for-Kash:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-trade-minor-leaguer-kuhn-to-arizona-20120809,0,1228490.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 10, 2012, 12:19:04 pm
Kid never really had a defensive position. Must not have been good enuf at 2B, as a LH hitting 2Bman would be ideal. Plus we have Carlos Sanchez coming up the pike. 20 year old who does nothing but get hits. Not sure on his D, but he can also play SS which Kuhn cannot. Sanchez was promoted to AA about 10-20 games ago, hitting well over .350 I think.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on August 10, 2012, 12:22:20 pm
Quote
Its no secret he doesnt do well in high pressure situations... but thru last year he was one of the better LH relievers around...

I think he's practically worthless.  I have nothing but contempt for him, the number of games he's lost for us.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 10, 2012, 04:00:38 pm
You are forgetting a couple of years ago where he had an assigned set-up role and was pretty automatic.

Borchard was also automatic, if automatic = blowing goats.

Borchard furthers my theory that "if you're in the minors, I don't care how great you are, you still suck until you show otherwise in the majors". msf probably does not like this theory.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on August 10, 2012, 04:05:25 pm
Maybe the Cubs could have used Borchard?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on August 10, 2012, 04:20:12 pm
Quote
"if you're in the minors, I don't care how great you are, you still suck until you show otherwise in the majors"

No, I agree with that theory, pretty much.

Still despise Thornton.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 10, 2012, 05:21:04 pm
Borchard furthers my theory that "if you're in the minors, I don't care how great you are, you still suck until you show otherwise in the majors". msf probably does not like this theory.

Hope you seriously do not believe I would think otherwise. Actually, Borchard was not all that good in the minors, always worried about him, plus he was just butt ugly. I look at OBP a lot when I look at kids. Borchard did not walk enuf to offset all his Ks. This Trayce Thompson kid in A ball, I think he will. So I think he has a big chance, same with Walker (last years top pick, he has an over .400 OBP thus far this year). Mitchell worries me, he Ks a hell of a lot and walks a lot too, but I would include him in a trade before the other 2. Just wanted to add that to the post for JhJh.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 11, 2012, 05:09:20 pm
This Trayce Thompson kid in A ball, I think he will. So I think he has a big chance, same with Walker (last years top pick, he has an over .400 OBP thus far this year)

They still suck. Although I enjoy attending minor league games.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 11, 2012, 11:09:21 pm
A quick look at the payroll commitments for the Chicago White Sox for 2013 -- and the club options that hang in the balance -- presents two possible conclusions. Either the Sox say goodbye to some pretty good core players, or their payroll takes a significant spike well beyond $100 million after starting 2012 with a payroll around $98 million.
 
The club is already committed to nearly $80 million for next season for just nine players, and that doesn't count options for right-handers Jake Peavy and Gavin Floyd and third baseman Kevin Youkilis that would push the total to the $120 million range.
 
If the ownership wants to stick with that, the decisions are pretty easy, with the possible exception of Floyd's $9.5 million option. Floyd hasn't exactly been good, and buying him out for $1 million cuts that $120 million mark down closer to $110 million.
 
The club also has arbitration eligible players in second baseman Gordon Beckham, right-hander Philip Humber and outfielder Alejandro De Aza, plus a new contract -- and likely a raise from the $2.5 he's earning this season -- for slugger Dayan Viciedo.
 
All this before even discussing the club's catching situation, where A.J. Pierzynski, who is having a strong season at the plate, will be a free agent and the club doesn't appear to have a clear replacement in their organization.
 
To create payroll space -- if ownership prefers to stay away from the $120-plus million area -- GM Ken Williams could try and trade designated hitter Adam Dunn or outfielder Alex Rios, but needless to say, the White Sox will have to come up with solutions to some tough equations this winter.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 05, 2012, 12:44:51 pm
New rumor from the Kids Downstairs:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=135853
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 05, 2012, 01:03:24 pm
A quick look at the payroll commitments for the Chicago White Sox for 2013 -- and the club options that hang in the balance -- presents two possible conclusions. Either the Sox say goodbye to some pretty good core players, or their payroll takes a significant spike well beyond $100 million after starting 2012 with a payroll around $98 million.
 
The club is already committed to nearly $80 million for next season for just nine players, and that doesn't count options for right-handers Jake Peavy and Gavin Floyd and third baseman Kevin Youkilis that would push the total to the $120 million range.
 
If the ownership wants to stick with that, the decisions are pretty easy, with the possible exception of Floyd's $9.5 million option. Floyd hasn't exactly been good, and buying him out for $1 million cuts that $120 million mark down closer to $110 million.
 
The club also has arbitration eligible players in second baseman Gordon Beckham, right-hander Philip Humber and outfielder Alejandro De Aza, plus a new contract -- and likely a raise from the $2.5 he's earning this season -- for slugger Dayan Viciedo.
 
All this before even discussing the club's catching situation, where A.J. Pierzynski, who is having a strong season at the plate, will be a free agent and the club doesn't appear to have a clear replacement in their organization.
 
To create payroll space -- if ownership prefers to stay away from the $120-plus million area -- GM Ken Williams could try and trade designated hitter Adam Dunn or outfielder Alex Rios, but needless to say, the White Sox will have to come up with solutions to some tough equations this winter.

Would be awesome if they could move Dunn and save at least half of his contract
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 05, 2012, 01:19:17 pm
Kids Downstairs

It's truly amazing how those guys can fill up four pages of posts and really say nothing, and how rapidly they can do so! Wow, just as I've been typing this, it's up to five! It's like phukcing kudzu over there. And could their taglines and photos be any more retarted? 

Don't know why this struck me as funny: "Wow this would be horrible news. Imagine the glee that many other fan bases will have if this were to be true. It would be like me when the report came out about Sammy testing positive. It would not be a good idea to visit any non-moderated Sox boards."
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 05, 2012, 01:27:04 pm
Ouch.  Rumors are more often true than not.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 05, 2012, 01:28:54 pm
I heard a rumor you're voting for Obama.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 05, 2012, 01:33:39 pm
Imagine the glee that many other fan bases will have if this were to be true.

This is dead on. For this reason alone I hope it's not true. Dumba-s-s people still call AJ a cheater for the drop-third strike incident (how anyone can claim that was cheating is beyond me).

And if it ends up true and the Sox miraculously still make the playoffs we'll never hear the end of how we cheated to get there, blah blah blah.

Would certainly be a black eye for the org and just a horrible situation all around if this is true. However, I have a hard time believing a news outlet has this info and is sitting on it. Not in today's world where everyone wants to be first to break huge news like this.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 05, 2012, 01:39:42 pm
Would suck from a winning standpoint but doesn't really bother me.  I bet over 1/2 of players are still cheating some how.  Would be cool if they did well without him
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 05, 2012, 01:53:31 pm
Entertainment value would be pretty terrific. For instance, WSI would hit even loftier heights of retartation, if that's even possible. Take sports seriously much guys?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 05, 2012, 01:57:08 pm
Entertainment value would be pretty terrific.

Eh, I don't get as bent out of shape as those WSI'ers but I wouldn't find anyting funny about the White Sox being ridiculed in any way by anyone.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on September 05, 2012, 02:10:55 pm
what is game time today?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 05, 2012, 02:22:35 pm
Kudzu.... heh.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on September 05, 2012, 02:28:26 pm
Kudzu? The vine that was supposed to wipe out all the American forests about 30-40 years ago? I think they make a yummy jam out of it now for the most part. Seriously, I lived in Athens, Ga for 3 months in 1970 and was around forestry folks most of that time. They were real worried over that stuff.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on September 06, 2012, 03:19:20 pm
Quote
New rumor from the Kids Downstairs:

http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=135853

Can't see it.  Maybe the thread was deleted.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on September 06, 2012, 03:33:19 pm
Ha:

"You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:"

Note - this was not the case a couple of days ago.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on September 06, 2012, 03:51:19 pm
What, briefly, was the rumor?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on September 06, 2012, 03:55:44 pm
AJ is on PED's test positive and is appealing.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 06, 2012, 03:59:40 pm
They moved the thread to one of their naughty thread places.  15 paqes of pap.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 06, 2012, 04:00:14 pm
Rumor totally bogus, by the way.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 06, 2012, 04:11:41 pm

The WSI link still works for me.  But I registered there a few months ago in order to read a previous link that was posted here. At that time I couldn't read any of their threads on the forum until I registered. 

So there's no new policy put in place at WSI since yesterday.  It's been their policy for at least two months that you had to be registered to read their forum. If you aren't registered there and were able to read their forum yesterday, it was a glitch in their security system.


--------------------


Update:  One of the admins at WSI did move the AJ thread to a different board.  His/Her post explaining the move:

Quote

I moved this thread to the Roadhouse because it's not visible to people who aren't registered at WSI. I don't want this site being the reason a rumor starts and like it or not that's a possibility with this one.

I'm going to be blunt on this next part. If you come to WSI and post something that turns into a rumor and it turns out to be false, you are risking your posting privileges, period. We are a respected Sox message board we don't want to ruin that to feed anyone's ego.

And to be clear, I'm not accusing the OP of that, however at this time there's very little confirmation to this story outside this thread and from people who appear to have picked up on it and given it legs.



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 06, 2012, 05:22:58 pm
Rumor totally bogus, by the way.

...and originally started on the Detroit Tigers MLB message board.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on September 07, 2012, 01:05:00 am
Bastages!.  Let's start a rumor about MCab
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 07, 2012, 09:12:53 am
I moved this thread to the Roadhouse because it's not visible to people who aren't registered at WSI. I don't want this site being the reason a rumor starts and like it or not that's a possibility with this one.

I'm going to be blunt on this next part. If you come to WSI and post something that turns into a rumor and it turns out to be false, you are risking your posting privileges, period. We are a respected Sox message board we don't want to ruin that to feed anyone's ego.

And to be clear, I'm not accusing the OP of that, however at this time there's very little confirmation to this story outside this thread and from people who appear to have picked up on it and given it legs.

Hilarious.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5147/5579797127_4808a0532a.jpg)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on September 07, 2012, 10:01:08 am
Heh.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on September 07, 2012, 10:06:11 am
Wow.  The old CRT is gone?  They're certainly moving up in the world over there...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on September 07, 2012, 10:09:23 am
Pure gold.   The best part:

We are a respected Sox message board

A tad self-important?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on September 07, 2012, 10:51:31 am
Don't be jealous just because we're just a fan forum.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 07, 2012, 11:08:57 am
Don't be jealous just because we're just a fan forum.

Ha. This site s-u-c-k-s.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 07, 2012, 12:25:14 pm
Dipping into the archives:

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4033/5081834961_186fe88d4e.jpg)
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5099/5454404940_f9801d86fc.jpg)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on September 07, 2012, 01:11:06 pm
Yup
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 15, 2012, 07:49:57 pm
Edwin Jackson wants to return to the Nats, on a Nats chatroom and the Nats beat writer, the response is sign Peavy to a three year deal at around $30 million.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on October 16, 2012, 08:02:59 am
I wouldn't mind having Edwin Jackson back if he doesn't return to the Nats.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on October 16, 2012, 09:13:10 am
Ya lost me there Juan.  Who signs Peavy?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 16, 2012, 09:15:46 am
He is saying the Nats are talking about Peavy, to likely replace Jackson.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 16, 2012, 09:17:58 am
Rather have JP then Edwin.  if JP wants to come back at 10 million a year its not a bad signing.

Local sports radio is talking about trying to acquire Dunn for a Shields/hellickson. They threw around the idea of Dayan too. They can have both for Matt Moore!

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on October 16, 2012, 09:33:49 am
The Rays would never trade any of those 3 SP's for Dunn straight up... but it'd be nice.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on October 16, 2012, 09:38:15 am
First off, I want nothing more to do with Juan Pierre, especially at 10mil per.  If KW can get a decent player for Dunn without having to eat payroll, god bless him
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on October 16, 2012, 09:39:29 am
Juan Pierre is worth $20mil. Easily.
It's just intangible.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 16, 2012, 09:53:32 am
jp = Peavy.

Sheilds can be had cheaper then you guys think... his salary goes up to 9 and 12 million for the next two years. Rays need a Bat and they are broke...

Dayan + a BP arm for Shields.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 16, 2012, 10:05:09 am
Juan Pierre is worth $20mil. Easily.
It's just intangible.


Actually, you really can't measure Juan Pierre's worth with mere numbers.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on October 16, 2012, 10:05:45 am
I would not trade Dayan for Shields. He should improve, and Trayce Thompson and Brady Shoemaker are both at least a year away.
We are already likely to lose Pierzynski and Youkilis bats.

I would trade Rios  for Shields.  I don't expect him to duplicate this year's success and there is a cost savings to doing that.
DeWayne Wise and Jordan Danks could probably cover that spot until Trayce/Brady is ready.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 16, 2012, 11:05:36 am
Rays will not take on any salary... so Rios to rays is not going to happen.

I dont get the fascination with Dayan.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on October 16, 2012, 11:35:33 am
Just have a hunch that Peavy is the same 11-11 pitcher that he was this year if he stays in the AL, but will regain some dominance if he goes back to the NL.  Not sure he'll be worth $10m for the Sox.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 16, 2012, 12:40:11 pm
DeWayne Wise and Jordan Danks could probably cover that spot until Trayce/Brady is ready.

Wise is a FA.

Trade Dunn, not Rios or Viciedo.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 02, 2012, 10:51:48 am
Hahn's first trade is going to get him fired... heh.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-trade-williams-jr-20121101,0,2889163.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 02, 2012, 05:47:22 pm
I truly enjoyed that trade, what a waste of a 5th round draft pick, I mean, it was not even close to being appropriate.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 02, 2012, 09:48:24 pm
Hahn's first trade is going to get him fired... heh.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-trade-williams-jr-20121101,0,2889163.story

Sounds like trading one bust for another.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on November 02, 2012, 11:37:52 pm
Ha. One bust of a GM's son for a bust of a manager's son.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 03, 2012, 01:03:26 am
Ha. One bust of a GM's son for a bust of a manager's son.

They should have found a way to make it a three way trade and got the Cubs involved.  The nortsider's could have added a 26-year old, .227 hitting, Double-A catcher - Michael Brenly (ex-Cubs announcer Bob Brenly's son).

That trade would have included one team dumping their ex-GM's son, another their ex-manager's son and another getting rid of their ex-announcer's son.





Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 03, 2012, 01:20:11 am
I truly enjoyed that trade, what a waste of a 5th round draft pick, I mean, it was not even close to being appropriate.

You're slipping msf.  Kenny Jr. was a 6th rounder.

BTW, the White Sox still have Kenny's youngest son in their system.  Tyler Williams is a 21 year old third baseman who hit .255 / .317 / .364 for Great Falls this year.  He was only a 43rd round pick by the White Sox in the 2009 draft.  Kyle Williams, the SF 49ers WR, also was a White Sox draft choice.  He was picked in the 47th round in 2006.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=Tyler-Williams-4 (http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/profile.asp?P=Tyler-Williams-4)



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 03, 2012, 08:30:31 am
Yeah, 6th rounder, sorry. What a freaking waste. It is one thing to spend a draft pick on family with a pick in the round of 40s, but not so early. Hell, Schueler (quiet while he putts) drafted his freaking daughter, now there was a real freaking joke.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 03, 2012, 01:40:44 pm
heh.. MSF hasn't forgiven Schueler for that 43rd round pick in 1993. Speaking of the 93 draft... we took norton in the first that year right?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 03, 2012, 07:34:49 pm
heh.. MSF hasn't forgiven Schueler for that 43rd round pick in 1993. Speaking of the 93 draft... we took norton in the first that year right?

No.  Norton was the 2nd round pick in 1993.  Lefty pitcher Scott Christman out of Oregon State University was the White Sox first rounder (17th overall pick).  Christman topped out at Double-A Birmingham where he was 4-12 with a 7.73 ERA over two seasons.  So he was bust they drafted in the 1st round.

The Sox picked Schueler's daughter Carey in the 43rd round in the 1993 draft and only one player who was drafted & signed by another organization had some impact in the majors.  That player was catcher Vance Wilson who was drafted by the Mets in the 44th round (18 picks after the White Sox picked Schueler's daughter).  Since Wilson had a decent career as a backup catcher playing in over 400 MLB games and was drafted after Carey Schueler and before the White Sox picked again, I'm ok was msf holding it against Ron Schueler. Other players signed & drafted after Carey Schueler in 1993 that made the majors were: infielder Frank Menechino (45th round - White Sox), Mario Valdez (48th round - White Sox), Jason Maxwell (74th round - Cubs).

Bobby Howry was drafted in the 45th round by Miami but didn't sign. Same holds true with outfielder Dave Roberts (47th round - Indians), Plácido Polanco (49th round - White Sox), pitcher Mike Lincoln (51st round - Expos), pitcher Matt Wise (54th round - Seattle), 1st baseman Larry Barnes (69th round - Miami) and outfielder Jason Conti (74th round - Padres).

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 07, 2012, 09:46:09 pm


Blockbuster trade by the White Sox:

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-see-potential-in-newly-acquire?blockID=798981&feedID=10338 (http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-see-potential-in-newly-acquire?blockID=798981&feedID=10338)




Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 10:22:45 pm
ISF beat u to it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 07, 2012, 10:27:27 pm

ISF put it in the wrong thread.  White Sox trades belong here. Not in "Around Baseball".

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 07, 2012, 10:29:39 pm
He still beat you to it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 07, 2012, 10:40:01 pm


Didn't realize it was a race. 

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on November 08, 2012, 06:42:07 am
Luis Terrero Jr.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 08, 2012, 09:27:04 am
Speaking of White Sox Great Greg Norton, here he gets ejected standing up for his Zephyrs. (Sorry about slow link w/ ad, but hey it's the friggin' minors). I like how he can't even exit via the dugout.

http://www.milb.com/multimedia/vpp.jsp?content_id=18304113
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 08, 2012, 09:33:42 am
Linky too slow.   What is isthis, 1998?   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 08, 2012, 09:34:54 am


Blockbuster trade by the White Sox:

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-see-potential-in-newly-acquire?blockID=798981&feedID=10338 (http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-see-potential-in-newly-acquire?blockID=798981&feedID=10338)


(http://www.pappasontaxes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/baretta.jpg)   (http://www.bestinwine.com/shop/images/T/t_16272_02-01.jpg)





Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on November 08, 2012, 09:37:47 am
Robert Blake.  Another guy with the nickname, "the Killer."
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 08, 2012, 10:23:57 am
Linky too slow.   What is is this, 1998?   

It's the minor leagues so ask msf!

It actually kicked in much faster when I went back to it a second time, after giving up the first time. Why that happened, I know not.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on November 08, 2012, 10:33:42 am
Well, you, Blackie, and I were probably trying to view it at the same time.
I'm guessing that's about 300% of the intended allocated bandwidth for that particular video.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 08, 2012, 11:32:04 am
heh
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 08, 2012, 11:41:19 am
I'm guessing that's about 300% of the intended allocated bandwidth for that particular video.


hhhaaaaha- I'd be curious to know how many views that's gotten. I mean, if there were any, beyond the three of us and maybe Mrs. Norton. Btw, Mrs. Norton looks like a cutey!

(http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/02/52/15/user_1155222_hudson.0629_12.JPG)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 08, 2012, 11:49:16 am
aaaand the Sluggin' Sooner now has a Facebook page. Not much there yet. Someone should try friending him.

http://www.facebook.com/greg.norton.5667?fref=nf_fr (http://www.facebook.com/greg.norton.5667?fref=nf_fr)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 08, 2012, 12:51:35 pm
You are going to be SOOOOOOOOOOO jealous when he accepts my request!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 08, 2012, 03:33:39 pm
Foolish for me to think there were a whole bunch of Sox trades
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 08, 2012, 08:13:17 pm
On the Nats Board fans were proposing trading Morse, Espinosa, and their top prospect Anthony Rendon (3B) for Gavin and DeAza. I'd do the trade if they offered Tyler Moore instead of Morse.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 09, 2012, 09:12:28 am
I kinda like that idea beings we desperately need a 3Bman.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 09, 2012, 10:56:46 am

Four rival executives said they believe the White Sox are open to trades of second baseman Gordon Beckham, outfielders Alejandro De Aza and Dayan Viciedo and starting pitcher Gavin Floyd.



http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/Four-names-emerge-as-White-Sox-trade-can?blockID=799623&feedID=10338
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on November 09, 2012, 10:59:53 am
Floyd is the only one of those four that I'd be willing to part with.  From a stand-alone perspective at least, not factoring in what the Sox might be getting in return.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 09, 2012, 12:42:14 pm
One negative for Viciedo is that Boras is his agent. That makes it tough to project us keeping him past his FA year. I would like to hang onto Floyd, I like him for his innings and the fact he looked very good late. He won some big games, and he looked different, confident for a change.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 09, 2012, 12:48:22 pm
Dayan + for Shields!

Make it happen!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 09, 2012, 02:33:16 pm

One negative for Viciedo is that Boras is his agent. That makes it tough to project us keeping him past his FA year.

True but Viciedo has accumulated only 1.123 years of MLB service time so he is five seasons away from free agency.  Unless the White Sox receive a blockbuster offer for him there is plenty of time left to trade him down the road.  Especially when you consider they only have to pay him $2.8 million this season (80% of the $3.5M he made in 2012).



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on November 09, 2012, 04:36:21 pm
Btw, Mrs. Norton looks like a cutey!


Wonder if she knows the family history
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 09, 2012, 07:09:58 pm
Btw, Mrs. Norton looks like a cutey!


Wonder if she knows the family history

Ouch
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on November 13, 2012, 08:31:30 am
Quote
Four rival executives said they believe the White Sox are open to trades of second baseman Gordon Beckham, outfielders Alejandro De Aza and Dayan Viciedo and starting pitcher Gavin Floyd.

Yeah, I'd part with any of those except Viciedo.  I'd like to hang on to him, being that it'll be awhile before free agency AND he's so young.  Lots of time to see if he'll develop into a monster hitter (or not). 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 13, 2012, 09:00:17 am
I'd trade anyone if it makes the team better, but not just for one year.  I like all those guys and would only deal them if it was a no=brainer
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on November 13, 2012, 06:54:02 pm
Yup.

Good to see Mr. Shoeless posting with more regularity
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 13, 2012, 08:44:59 pm
if only I were more regular   :(
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 13, 2012, 09:00:21 pm
Sox sign a AAA SS, been a good OBP guy thru the years, 5th rounder at one time for the Twins, Steve Tolleson.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=tolles001ste
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 13, 2012, 09:36:56 pm
if only I were more regular

drink more beer
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 13, 2012, 09:40:07 pm
Steve Tolleson

 Son of Wayne.... 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 14, 2012, 06:30:08 pm
Sox signed a AAA reliever, Ramon Troncoso, used to relieve for Dodgers from 2008-2011, then was sent back to AAA and struggled in 2011 and 2012. He was tough in 2009.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 15, 2012, 11:59:20 am
If thats a sign of what this team wants to sign, AAAA players, in hopes of catching lightening in a bottle then they better go look at past attempts to do that and see what that has gotten them. I sure dont see any improvement in the parent club since the past WS. All I see is maybe going for minor league championships. If this is what Hahn has learned from KW we will suck bigtime this coming season.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on November 15, 2012, 12:26:38 pm
(http://whenfallsthecoliseum.com/wp-content/uploads/1DebbieDownerCU.jpg)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 15, 2012, 01:10:51 pm
If thats a sign of what this team wants to sign, AAAA players, in hopes of catching lightening in a bottle then they better go look at past attempts to do that and see what that has gotten them. I sure dont see any improvement in the parent club since the past WS. All I see is maybe going for minor league championships. If this is what Hahn has learned from KW we will suck bigtime this coming season.

Come on, No. Tolleson is a better backup SS candidate than what we just released in Olmedo. This RHP is likely AAA fodder. Did not sign him to a major league contract I do not believe.

These are not mainstream deals, I should have put them under the minor league thread, did not realize I would confuse anyone.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 15, 2012, 01:19:44 pm
Is that an attempt at being stupid?

Best to leave that to the experts, like myself, Jheter, and Shoeless.

"My name is Shoeless and I approve of this message"
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 15, 2012, 01:20:41 pm
Is that an attempt at being stupid?

Best to leave that to the experts, like myself, Jheter, and Shoeless.

heh, and I just edited as I thought I was being too mean.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 16, 2012, 08:58:12 am
Is that an attempt at being stupid?

Best to leave that to the experts, like myself, Jheter, and Shoeless.


And if you have to attempt to be stupid, you're not doing it right. For some of us, it just flows naturally.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 16, 2012, 09:00:50 am
LOL
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 16, 2012, 09:02:21 am
For some of us, it just flows naturally.

Take Minoats for example!!! Just checking to see if he is keeping up on posts.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 17, 2012, 09:10:48 am
Tolleson is a better backup SS candidate than what we just released in Olmedo.

We need a starting 3Bman not a backup SS. See thats the philosohical difference. We also need a starting catcher and I see the Flubs signed one yesterday cheaply. I hope that transaction means they will actually bring back AJ.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 17, 2012, 09:12:31 am
Not sure what needing a 3Bman has to do with acquiring a backup infielder, do you think this is the only move we can make? Cripes, winter meetings have not even started yet. Give it some time.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 17, 2012, 09:20:27 am
Thats why I said the moves since the WS seemed like minor league moves not backups for the parent club.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 29, 2012, 07:51:58 pm
Jon Heyman‏@JonHeymanCBS
#dodgers have emerged as a potential surprise suitor for a.j. pierzynski, who was terrific in 2012.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 30, 2012, 04:45:21 pm
Right-handed pitcher Philip Humber today was claimed off waivers by the Houston @Astros.

Buh bye!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2012, 04:58:35 pm
I was never a Humber fan. I wont miss him. He had one game for the record books, then squat
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 30, 2012, 05:31:33 pm
Maybe Humber will join Harrell in their rotation.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 30, 2012, 06:21:44 pm
We non-tendered Humber, Dan Johnson and Anthony Carter (AAA reliever who was with Sox in 2010 or 2011 for a bit, no loss). So now we are at 37, still doubtful we pick any rule V players, we tend not to. Opens up space for trades anyway, so that is ok.

I wish we could just pay Johnson 1.2M as is what he would have looked for in arby. That is cheap for a good bat off the bench, but we really have no room with both Dunn and Konerko. If we traded one of them I would like to give Johnson a shot, bet he would hit 30 with a decent OBP
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 30, 2012, 06:33:04 pm
Johnson is horrid... watched him with the rays for a couple years... dont think he hit near .200 once.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 30, 2012, 07:56:51 pm
Johnson is horrid... watched him with the rays for a couple years... dont think he hit near .200 once.

I will take your word for it. He had some success with the A's and seemed to be a very professional hitter in AAA. Good OBP, not afraid to take a BB and does not K a ton.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 30, 2012, 08:37:32 pm
Went and looked it up...


2008 in about 60 atbats he hit .196 (toronto and Rays)
2009 he was in japan.
2010 in 140 atbats he hit .198/.343/.414 (rays)
2011 in 91 atbats he hit 187/.202/.389 (rays)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 30, 2012, 08:38:01 pm

(http://thegoldensombrero.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/brentlillibridgegoldensombrero.jpg)


Any interest in getting Brent Lillibridge back?   

He was DFA by the Indians a couple of weeks ago and cleared waivers.  The Indians then attempted to send him to the minors where he refused the assignment which now makes him a free agent. Two teams have washed their hands of him since the CWS traded him to Boston for Youk.  He had a good run for the White Sox in 2011 but last year he was awful. If only he would cut down on his swing, learn to bunt better and use his speed to get on base.  But that's the knock on him for the last five years or more.  He's been with five different organizations now (Pirates, Braves, White Sox, Red Sox and Indians) and he still refuses to change his approach.  I don't want him back with the White Sox.  We don't need a guy who has a 7 to 1 K to BB ratio who, except for a couple of months in 2011, has basically shown only warning track power.



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 30, 2012, 09:03:17 pm
Jon Heyman‏@JonHeymanCBS
#dodgers have emerged as a potential surprise suitor for a.j. pierzynski, who was terrific in 2012.


Doesn't surprise me as AJ was set to sign with the Dodgers two years ago before Reinsdorf intervened at the last moment. 

I see that Russell Martin has agreed to a two year $17M deal with the Pirates.  That makes the Yankees needing a new starting catcher.  I'm doubling down on my prediction that AJ signs with the Yankees. The short right field porch at Yankee Stadium, along with spring training at home in Florida and a $12-14 million two year contract will be too tough for AJ to turn down.   Yankees need the power of another left handed hitter with Swisher expected to sign with some other organization. The 'pressure' of playing in NY won't faze Pierzynski.  AJ is the perfect fit for the Yankees.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/catcher-martin-signs-2-deal-202714258--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/catcher-martin-signs-2-deal-202714258--mlb.html)








Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 01, 2012, 07:53:28 am

(http://thegoldensombrero.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/brentlillibridgegoldensombrero.jpg)


Any interest in getting Brent Lillibridge back?   

He was DFA by the Indians a couple of weeks ago and cleared waivers.  The Indians then attempted to send him to the minors where he refused the assignment which now makes him a free agent. Two teams have washed their hands of him since the CWS traded him to Boston for Youk.  He had a good run for the White Sox in 2011 but last year he was awful. If only he would cut down on his swing, learn to bunt better and use his speed to get on base.  But that's the knock on him for the last five years or more.  He's been with five different organizations now (Pirates, Braves, White Sox, Red Sox and Indians) and he still refuses to change his approach.  I don't want him back with the White Sox.  We don't need a guy who has a 7 to 1 K to BB ratio who, except for a couple of months in 2011, has basically shown only warning track power.





No thank you.

So both players we traded for Youk are already gone from Boston, too funny. What a steal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 01, 2012, 10:57:12 am
Sweeney was DFA'd as well by Boston
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 01, 2012, 02:04:16 pm
We'll be sorry we lost Humber.  No one pitches that good for a year and 1/2 on accident.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 01, 2012, 11:04:32 pm
Sweeney was DFA'd as well by Boston

Saw that, I would give him a shot I think. Mark Reynolds cut by Orioles, lots of power but tons of Ks. No thanks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 03, 2012, 09:31:26 am
We'll be sorry we lost Humber.  No one pitches that good for a year and 1/2 on accident.

Humber should have success over in the NL, but he'd have had a hard time beating out Santiago or Quintana for the #5 spot in our rotation.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 03, 2012, 07:32:38 pm
Humbar and the stros are in the AL
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 03, 2012, 08:13:50 pm
Yep, saw the Stros might sign Berkmann to be their first DH. heh
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 04, 2012, 08:45:57 am
It's Humber.

Forgot they're moving Houston. Danks is coming back as well, so our starting rotation had no room for Humber unless several get dealt.
Frankly, I don't even see us trading Floyd. He won't bring the return they are probably looking for.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2012, 10:48:45 am
It's Humber.

Forgot they're moving Houston. Danks is coming back as well, so our starting rotation had no room for Humber unless several get dealt.
Frankly, I don't even see us trading Floyd. He won't bring the return they are probably looking for.

I agree, but at least you have to see what you can get to see if it'd be worth it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 04, 2012, 11:10:25 am
What if Hahn could facilitate a 3-way trade with Texas and Arizona that included Texas getting Upton, Arizona getting Alexei and Sox getting Olt?
Can Sanchez play SS? Would that create enough room to bring back AJ?

Curious about that possibility, since it's clear that Arizona wants a SS back for Upton and Texas isn't biting.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 04, 2012, 01:00:57 pm
I think Hahn would do that but AZ is not giving up Upton and only getting Alexei back. A whole lot more pieces would need to be involved.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 04, 2012, 01:14:51 pm
If the Sox can sign another right hander (McCarthey has been rumored), then I fully expect Floyd to be traded.   Two reasons:  clear the salary, and  Sox Brass has grown weary of his inconsistency.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 04, 2012, 01:19:47 pm
"Trade interest in Gavin Floyd is high, tweets Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago_white_sox/index.html#gxhjUZF3lxm4E3Yw.99
"
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2012, 03:21:02 pm
What if Hahn could facilitate a 3-way trade with Texas and Arizona that included Texas getting Upton, Arizona getting Alexei and Sox getting Olt?
Can Sanchez play SS? Would that create enough room to bring back AJ?

Curious about that possibility, since it's clear that Arizona wants a SS back for Upton and Texas isn't biting.

Why would all we want back be a .152 hitting 1Bman from Texas?  I wouldnt give up Alexi for that
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 04, 2012, 04:19:57 pm
Because 1) Olt can play 3B; and 2) Olt is one of the best hitting prospects in the Rangers' system, and he's ML ready.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2012, 08:16:49 pm
At .152 he is one of the best hitting prospects in the Texas system? Boy even Morel was better than that. I expect more than that. Maybe thats why they hired an assistant HC for. :o
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 04, 2012, 09:43:41 pm
What about Floyd for Saltalamachia, Thornton for Danny Espinosa, and Alexie for the most we can get.?

Salty will help Flowers transition into full time, and Floyd would be a free agent next year. Espinosa is a switch hitter with lots of upside, and Nats are desperate for a lefty or two in the bullpen. Espinosa also was brought up as a shortstop.

Alexi shoudl bring back something very decent, and with Thornton, Alexie, and Floyd gone, we have freed up tons of money for a good free agent.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 04, 2012, 09:57:43 pm
At .152 he is one of the best hitting prospects in the Texas system? Boy even Morel was better than that. I expect more than that. Maybe thats why they hired an assistant HC for. :o

You're basing his pedigree based on 40 plate appearances (33 at-bats)????

Holy buckets.

Anyone who doesn't homer in their first at bat is undeserving of another chance.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 04, 2012, 11:50:02 pm
Just because a player does well in the minors doesnt necessarily translate to the majors
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 05, 2012, 07:58:37 am
No ****.

But when you're talking about a prospect who's had 33 AB's in the big leagues, are you going to use those 33 AB's (16 games) to judge how talented he is / what kind of hitter he can grow into?

He's one of the best 3B prospects in baseball, but I guess none of that matters if you struggle in your first 33 AB's.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 05, 2012, 09:09:38 am
Should have sent robin down after 33 at-bats... he was worthless.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 05, 2012, 09:43:11 am
Not sure why folks want to move Alexei. Solid plus SS. Gets a nice amount of RBIs from end of the order. He is what he is, not likely going to get  better, at one time I thought he would put on 20 pounds of muscle and hit for more power, but he is just a skeletor.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2012, 10:07:50 am
I wouldn't say I want to move Alexei. However, both Sanchez and Beckham have played SS.
If we could get a A prospect like Olt for 3B in exchange for Alexei, one that could reasonably be expected to replace the run production, while cutting salary,
I am up for it. To me, Sanchez/Olt > Ramirez/Morel or Sanchez. If Floyd were traded as well, we might be able to use the savings to get involved in the Greinke bidding.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 05, 2012, 10:11:03 am
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
#Rangers talks w/ Josh Hamilton said "on hold" while they pursue Greinke, Shields, Upton


Sigh, it would be nice to the White Sox associated with stuff like this.

C'mon Hahn, you're boring me so far.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2012, 10:20:52 am
Here's some excitement for you SR:


Tuesday, 11:55pm: Third baseman Jack Hannahan has interest from teams for a Major League contract, tweets Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports, with the White Sox and Marlins among the suitors.  We heard earlier today that Hannahan has a big league offer in hand from an AL Central team, and the Twins met with his agent yesterday.

Hannahan, 32, is known for his defense at the hot corner.  Faced with a projected $1.5MM salary through arbitration, the Indians chose to non-tender him last week.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2012, 10:25:04 am
Ooooohhh.....another big fish:


Earlier today, we heard from Joel Sherman of the New York Post that there are six teams, including the Yankees, in the mix for Jeff Keppinger. According to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter), another one of those six clubs is the White Sox, who are eyeing Keppinger as a possible third base option.

Based on reports from yesterday and this morning, the cost to land Keppinger might be in the range of $13MM for three years. If the 32-year-old is willing to accept a two-year deal, something in the neighborhood of $10MM could get it done.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2012, 10:30:51 am
Sox still talking to AJ:

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-continue-to-talk-to-Pierzynski?blockID=809989&feedID=10338&awid=8279073469535988938-914
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 05, 2012, 10:30:52 am
I'd love Keppinger in this lineup. Solid, unspectacular, and is pretty consistent.

Yes, Jheter. Consistent.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 05, 2012, 10:54:06 am
I too would like to get Keppinger. I would take Hannahan as well. That way we keep Floyd, I think we have to until we know for sure if Danks is ok. I highly doubt Danks will be back to norm until mid-season if not 2014. We cannot count on both Quintana and Santiago without having another vet like Floyd. Now if we sign McCarthy, as some rumors have us doing, then I would not mind moving Pink.

I like Olt's numbers in the minors, but I am not ready to go with a rookie at 3B. I want a solid defender to help this staff of LH's.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 05, 2012, 11:15:40 am
Believe Keppinger just broke his foot/leg. So might not be ready for start of season.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 05, 2012, 11:29:58 am
Here's some excitement for you SR:

Yeah, who needs to look at Hamilton, Greinke, Shields and Upton when there's a Hannahan and Keppinger available!   ;D
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2012, 12:30:10 pm
The White Sox just signed Keppinger, or so I heard on the radio.

Maybe it was Kessinger
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2012, 12:32:06 pm
Found something:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/white-sox-to-sign-jeff-keppinger.html

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2012, 12:55:25 pm
More:

Ken Rosenthal of FoxSports.com tweeted that the deal is worth $12 million.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-report-sox-keppinger-20121205,0,6799725.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 05, 2012, 01:06:45 pm
I had to wiki this sob, had never even heard of him. Utility player, and I didn't see the many teams he's already been with clamoring to retain him.

Coolest factoid about him is that he broke his toe from a foul ball. . .while he was in the dugout.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2012, 01:22:16 pm
Keppinger must be super awesome:


12:56pm: The White Sox still have interest in Hannahan despite signing Keppinger, tweets MLB.com's Scott Merkin.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 05, 2012, 01:23:41 pm
I had to wiki this sob, had never even heard of him. Utility player, and I didn't see the many teams he's already been with clamoring to retain him.

Coolest factoid about him is that he broke his toe from a foul ball. . .while he was in the dugout.

He does not K much, he has been a decent hitter despite lack of power. I think he will be better on D than Youk was. I think his D might make up for his lack of run production. He could be a good #2 hitter.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 05, 2012, 01:24:05 pm
Hes a good signing. Not spectacular. But had a great year with the Rays... Fans here really wanted him back.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2012, 01:28:15 pm
Hannahan makes sense as a platoon partner, and if they were looking at that,
there was no reason to sign Keppinger unless they are convinced Morel can't make it at MLB level, even in a platoon role.

I might be disappointed in Morel's performance last year, but unless I'm underestimating the severity of his injury,
I'm nowhere near ready to write him off. The swing is there and he is good defensively.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2012, 01:29:46 pm
He could be a good #2 hitter.

If he can hit like he did last year, heck yeah.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2012, 02:23:35 pm
The brief I saw said he is a 1Bman not a 3Bman. ;D
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 05, 2012, 02:30:13 pm
So 1Bmen's bats are judged by the first 33 games?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 05, 2012, 02:30:24 pm
Sorry - first 33 AB's?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2012, 02:34:51 pm
Seems we already have a 3Bman anyways and he has more than 33 ABs

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/Report-White-Sox-sign-Keppinger-to-three?blockID=810249&feedID=10338
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2012, 02:39:45 pm
Stolen from Sox(s)Talk:



DKnobler ‏@DKnobler

With 3B settled, White Sox feel free to look at trade market. Hoping to make a splash
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2012, 02:45:55 pm
White Sox seek pitcher replacements in case of trade


On Monday, the White Sox were one of several teams reported to have interest in free agent Brandon McCarthy. But Hahn has stayed away from names this offseason and will only divulge the club has spoken with a number of agents.

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-seek-pitcher-replacements-in-c?blockID=810027&feedID=621
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2012, 02:49:29 pm
White Sox continue to talk to Pierzynski

http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago-whitesox/whitesox-talk/White-Sox-continue-to-talk-to-Pierzynski?blockID=809989&feedID=10338
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2012, 02:51:16 pm
 FanGraph's spin on the Kepp signing:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/white-sox-sign-jeff-keppinger-human-ball-return/

Right now, the third-base market sucks. The White Sox got themselves a half-decent third baseman who is extremely, unusually good at one thing (making contact). It’s fine. The White Sox signing Jeff Keppinger is fine. He’ll be fine, probably.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2012, 03:01:00 pm
Keppinger would appear to be a rich man's Mark Teahen, at best.

He makes better contact, Ks less. At least, so far...

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 05, 2012, 03:02:09 pm
Scott Merkin ‏@scottmerkin

White Sox aren't done: They will add another infielder and a veteran catcher if Pierzynski goes elsewhere
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 05, 2012, 03:03:17 pm
He makes better contact, Ks less. At least, so far...

You mean at least until he puts on a White Sox uniform, right?

Heh.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2012, 03:04:24 pm
Isnt that why we need 2 hitting coaches?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 05, 2012, 04:01:41 pm
Having taken care of the hot corner, the Sox have now moved on and are eyeing the trade market in hopes of making a splash, tweets Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com.
Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago_white_sox/index.html#zDe3yiT7pus7M8qF.99
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on December 05, 2012, 04:29:05 pm
Interesting...

Quote
Jon Heyman
@JonHeymanCBS

#yankees bid higher $12M on 3 yrs for keppinger. Either slick negotiating by new chisox gm rick hahn or chicago preference

Kep probably wanted the chance to flail on a much, much smaller stage methinks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2012, 04:37:25 pm
Might be the better chance to play every day, as opposed to getting benched when ARod comes back.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 05, 2012, 09:02:06 pm
MLB guys made a comment about Sox going after an upper tier pitcher and then trading Floyd. They mentioned 2 names, one was Annibel Sanchez and the other was Kyle Lohse.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 05, 2012, 10:28:14 pm
Maybe it was Kessinger  heh
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 06, 2012, 06:31:03 am
MLB guys made a comment about Sox going after an upper tier pitcher and then trading Floyd. They mentioned 2 names, one was Annibel Sanchez and the other was Kyle Lohse.

Those two sentences don't seem related.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 06, 2012, 07:50:43 am
yeah, those two are not what I would call upper tier either, if that is what you are getting at.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 06, 2012, 07:55:52 am
Conor Jackson signs with the Orioles.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 06, 2012, 08:49:29 am
yeah, those two are not what I would call upper tier either, if that is what you are getting at.

Exactly.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 06, 2012, 08:50:47 am
Wouldnt mind adding Annibel though.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 06, 2012, 08:54:51 am
I wouldn't mind adding him either, but not at his asking price (I've heard 6 years / $90M)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 06, 2012, 09:27:27 am
Rule 5 draft going on right now.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/2012-rule-5-draft-results.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

We've picked Angel Sanchez from the Angels.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sanchan02.shtml

...to which I ask... why?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 06, 2012, 09:56:53 am
So we don't have to bring up Carlos Sanchez and use him as the utility guy.

He appears to be Brent Lillibridge without the desire to impress the chicks with his long-ball swing.
Worth the 25K, IMO.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 06, 2012, 10:25:44 am
Yeah, I suppose there's that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 06, 2012, 11:06:45 am
I think ISF is correct. This is our 2013 utility man, backup SS. Better than Olmedo, probably better hitter than the kid we sent to Minny.  He has fared will in AAA and has been ok with Stros.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 06, 2012, 11:27:35 am
Now Twins have sent Ben Revere packing to Philly for SP Vance Worley.

It appears the Aaron Hicks era has arrived in Minnesota...

http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2320
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 06, 2012, 01:06:25 pm
They are going to be disappointed if they are counting on Hicks, IMHO.

Revere could end up being really good, he loves the game and he is so athletic. Not sure on this one, I could see moving Span, but not Revere.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 06, 2012, 01:44:56 pm

•The third base market is still crazy enough that Hannahan asked teams for a multiyear deal, tweets Danny Knobler of CBS Sports. 
He says the Marlins are interested in Hannahan and have also asked the White Sox about Brent Morel.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 06, 2012, 03:00:06 pm

Yankees offer the "Greek God of Walks" a one-year $12 million contract:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kevin-youkilis-yankees-offer-174400568.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/kevin-youkilis-yankees-offer-174400568.html)

Sounds like a good deal for Youk if he takes it.  Coupled with his $1 million buy out he received from the Sox that would make it $13 million for the 2013 season which equals what his option year would have paid if it was picked up.







Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 07, 2012, 03:26:03 pm
FWIW...

Jon Heyman‏@JonHeymanCBS

 Day-old rule 5 comment (shd interest 3 people); #chisox did well plucking angel sanchez from houston. He's a big leaguer
 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 11, 2012, 11:33:15 am
Olney suggests A.J. Pierzynski could be a fit for the Rays, but notes that rival evaluators don’t particularly like his defense. One agent predicts the White Sox will end up re-signing the free agent catcher.
 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 11, 2012, 12:14:04 pm
Ugh, I hope not.   Unless it's one year for super-low money.   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 11, 2012, 04:34:11 pm
Ugh, I hope not.   Unless it's one year for super-low money.   

Really? Why may I ask? You like Flowers that much?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 11, 2012, 05:11:52 pm
I don't like AJ enough to spend more than a couple million on him.   AJ is looking to cash in, as this is pretty much his last chance to do so.   

It has nothing to with Flowers or any other schmoe they could run out there.    I just am afraid of overspending because of either sentimentality or because of last year's abberartion.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 14, 2012, 02:07:08 pm

Mike Adams could sign in the next couple of days, Jayson Stark reports. The Nationals, Blue Jays, Phillies, Rangers, Cubs, White Sox, Angels and Brewers have been linked to the free agent reliever


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/espn-on-ichiro-indians-adams.html

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 14, 2012, 03:01:58 pm
Adams is nasty, although his ERA jumped over 3 last year for the 1st time in years.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 19, 2012, 04:06:26 pm
Gavin Floyd for Kendrys Morales?

Would come at a cost savings, which might allow us to re-sign Pierzynski.
Could also allow us to look at possible trades for Dunn.



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 19, 2012, 04:09:32 pm
And just as I post that the Mariners send Jason Vargas to the Angels for Morales...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 19, 2012, 04:49:32 pm
I am ok with Dunn as our DH. Decent OBP, lots of run production, and his homers seem to come in somewhat clutch situations. He hit a lot of big time shots last year when we needed them. I think he makes our lineup better than a guy like Morales would have.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 19, 2012, 05:20:47 pm
Methinks the Angles won that trade.   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 20, 2012, 08:43:14 am
I am ok with Dunn as our DH. Decent OBP, lots of run production, and his homers seem to come in somewhat clutch situations. He hit a lot of big time shots last year when we needed them. I think he makes our lineup better than a guy like Morales would have.

just bat him 5th where he belongs
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 20, 2012, 08:45:59 am
I am ok with Dunn as our DH. Decent OBP, lots of run production, and his homers seem to come in somewhat clutch situations. He hit a lot of big time shots last year when we needed them. I think he makes our lineup better than a guy like Morales would have.

just bat him 5th where he belongs

Somewhat agree, but his ability to take many pitches really allows the 1 and 2 men to run, if they have that ability, it also allows everyone in the lineup to see that many more pitches. Leave him 3.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 20, 2012, 09:01:20 pm
AJ.....he gone:

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/8768025/source-aj-pierzynski-agrees-1-year-deal-texas-rangers
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 20, 2012, 09:43:45 pm


from the "Bright One":

Quote

The market for Pierzynski never got very hot, even after the Pittsburgh Pirates signed free agent Russell Martin to a two-year, $17 million deal and the Red Sox agreed to terms with former Ranger Mike Napoli for three years, $39 million during the Winter Meetings. The White Sox reportedly offered Pierzynski a one-year at $4 million after he made $6 million in 2012. The Rangers are expected to pay about twice that amount, although no terms have been announced. There are conflicting reports on whether the Yankees offered a one-year deal.



http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2012/12/pierzynski-accepts-one-year-de.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/2012/12/pierzynski-accepts-one-year-de.html)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 20, 2012, 09:57:10 pm
I am ok with Dunn as our DH. Decent OBP, lots of run production, and his homers seem to come in somewhat clutch situations. He hit a lot of big time shots last year when we needed them. I think he makes our lineup better than a guy like Morales would have.

just bat him 5th where he belongs

Somewhat agree, but his ability to take many pitches really allows the 1 and 2 men to run, if they have that ability, it also allows everyone in the lineup to see that many more pitches. Leave him 3.

Great so, Konerko can hit a double and not score Dunn.  Rios to 3, Dunn to 5.  Seeing more pitches.  Gayy
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on December 20, 2012, 09:58:00 pm
Low-balled him.  Booooo!!!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 20, 2012, 11:12:51 pm
So do we bring up somebody from the minors or do we do a trade for a catcher?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 21, 2012, 08:52:54 am
I am ok with Dunn as our DH. Decent OBP, lots of run production, and his homers seem to come in somewhat clutch situations. He hit a lot of big time shots last year when we needed them. I think he makes our lineup better than a guy like Morales would have.

just bat him 5th where he belongs

Somewhat agree, but his ability to take many pitches really allows the 1 and 2 men to run, if they have that ability, it also allows everyone in the lineup to see that many more pitches. Leave him 3.

Great so, Konerko can hit a double and not score Dunn.  Rios to 3, Dunn to 5.  Seeing more pitches.  Gayy


Someday you will understand the game grasshopper.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 21, 2012, 09:40:36 am
! am going to miss #12. The problem I see is replacing him, not just his bat but his leadership
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 21, 2012, 11:02:43 am
What leadership?   Most of his teammates hated him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 21, 2012, 11:21:59 am
What leadership?   Most of his teammates hated him.

That and his defense are he two knocks that even kept the Yankees from going after him, even without a catcher of their own at this time.

I am scared Flowers has forgotten how to hit, guess we will see. Jiminez as backup for now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 21, 2012, 11:25:22 am
Didnt realize he was hated... or are you kidding?

Liriano to the Pirates. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8769574/pittsburgh-pirates-adding-francisco-liriano-2-years-14-million-report-says
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 21, 2012, 11:59:31 am
Not kidding.   Think of it as step 2 of the clubhouse cleansing.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 21, 2012, 01:29:47 pm
Not kidding.   Think of it as step 2 of the clubhouse cleansing.

What was step 1, letting Ozzie go?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 21, 2012, 01:30:50 pm
or Youkilis.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 21, 2012, 01:38:01 pm
Not kidding.   Think of it as step 2 of the clubhouse cleansing.

No reason to doubt you oh dark one but good source?  what was the dislike about?  attitude?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 21, 2012, 02:42:26 pm
What was step 1, letting Ozzie go?

Yep! Ozzie was cancerous to that clubhouse in more ways than one. I'm sure AJ isn't best friends with everyone on the team (we all know there's certainly a problem between he and Peavy) but it seemed he was good friends with Rowand & Crede when they were here. And just saw this tweet by Gordon Beckham:

Gordon Beckham‏@gordonbeckham

As I'm sure everybody has heard, we are going to miss AJ. He has been such a great friend to me over the last 3.5 yrs. One great Southsider
.

 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 21, 2012, 02:47:46 pm
Shoe -- mostly hearsay and conjecture.   But those are "kinds" of evidence.

What to dislike?  He's just kind of a dick to everyone.   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 21, 2012, 04:54:17 pm
Jiminez as backup for now.

Really??????? I dont think so.



From ESPN
No masking White Sox's green catchers
 
That pitching staff the Chicago White Sox's front office believes will expertly guide itself through some impressive opposing lineups will now be placed in the hands of the least experienced catching corps in the American League.
 about 3 hours ago | Doug Padilla |

QUICK FACTS

2012 Games By Position: LF (1), RF (1), DH (1), PH (2), C (3)


The kid has played 11 games in his 2 year pro career





Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on December 21, 2012, 11:07:27 pm
Liriano got $14 million for 2 years?  That's allot of money for a guy who mostly sucks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 22, 2012, 11:27:57 am
Coo gave a ton of money to an average pitcher. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 22, 2012, 12:42:55 pm

The White Sox are looking around for a left-handed hitter, according to Danny Knobler of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).  The club has also made it known once again that Gavin Floyd is available.  Interest in the right-hander is said to be high and the Orioles are one of the clubs who have him on the radar.
 


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/12/central-notes-white-sox-floyd-brewers-lohse.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2012, 08:32:27 pm
I wonder what the birds have available that we need. Catcher seems to be our biggest need now
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2012, 11:22:44 pm
Shoe -- mostly hearsay and conjecture.   But those are "kinds" of evidence.

What to dislike?  He's just kind of a dick to everyone.

I think it's BS.  I know a few people in the White Sox organization and they tell me the opposite.  AJ's is well like by MOST of his teammates.  Beckham considers him like an older brother.  AJ was very helpful to Beckham when he arrived at spring traing for the first time and later in the majors.  Teammates use to kid Beckham by calling him "Little AJ" by how protective AJ was of him and how he attached himself to AJ like a little brother.   

Crede, Rowand, Buehrle, Podsednik and Thome were/are all good friends with AJ.  Chris Sale likes and respects AJ. The only 'teammate' that I know who hated AJ was Boone Logan who acted like a prima donna when he made the jump from low-A to the majors.  AJ and a few other vets (like Crede & Rowand) put him in his place, Logan resented it and was one of the reasons they ended up trading him later.  Peavy & AJ have clashed a few times during games (entirely on pitch selection) but that's due to both of their intensity and desire to win.  It doesn't carry over into the clubhouse or outside of the game.  I guess it's possible that some weak minded pitchers (say like a Humber or a Floyd) might not appreciate AJ's approach to the game and some backup catchers might be envious of all the playing time AJ received over the last eight years but as far as I've heard no GOOD player on the White Sox disliked having AJ as a teammate.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on January 02, 2013, 08:01:55 am
AJ was my favorite player on recent Sox teams.  He'll be missed.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 02, 2013, 08:49:10 am
AJ could be a pr*ck, but he's no Jim Thome....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 03, 2013, 06:16:32 pm
Well does anybody know of what the Sox are doing to fix the catching situation? Soxfest is right around the corner and spring training not far behind that. Pfegley is the only other catcher we have thats anyways near ready. I cant believe the Sox arent looking for another catcher. Things are way too quiet on the trade front
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on January 04, 2013, 09:16:24 am
Quote
Well does anybody know of what the Sox are doing to fix the catching situation?

They don't have to fix the catching situation.  The Flowers era has arrived.

Hello, third place.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 04, 2013, 09:54:12 am
I pointed you at a column a while back that said Flowers is the starter and Jiminez is the backup most likely. If Flowers fails I could possibly see Phegley at some point, but they want him to have a real good AAA year, not just a good one like last year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 04, 2013, 06:44:30 pm
MSF/Fury, look you cant catch Flowers 162 games. Second Jiminez isnt major league ready. He has played 11 minor league games in 2 years and not all at catcher. You cant go into the upcoming season like that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on January 04, 2013, 06:49:54 pm
Don't sweat it, there are plenty of teams still like us, trying to fill holes. Check the Yankees catching situation. There's time.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 05, 2013, 07:09:39 am
Ya gotta hope for sure cause its not realistic to expect us to go through the season with things the way they are.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Joshpr on January 05, 2013, 07:55:53 am
Flowers will be fwine.... I really don't care if he does a Ron karkovice, really. Good defense throws out runners and calls a good game. Anything probably be better than what AJ was doing lately with glove...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on January 05, 2013, 07:11:48 pm
A.J. most likely will not duplicate last year's offensive production and with him being -- what, around 37 years old now? -- chances are his offense might decline abruptly.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 07, 2013, 09:44:50 am
Nothing but stale news out there right now...


•The White Sox say they want to hang on to Gavin Floyd, but younger pitchers have made him expendable. 
It has been speculated that the White Sox won't look to move Floyd until John Danks is healthy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 15, 2013, 11:09:27 am
Dunn is bailing on SoxFest.   He says it is because of a family obligation.   I think it is because he is getting traded.  :)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on January 15, 2013, 11:29:21 am
Methinks Jim Thome had something to do with this.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 15, 2013, 01:22:30 pm
Dunn is bailing on SoxFest.   He says it is because of a family obligation.   I think it is because he is getting traded.  :)

This would make my new year
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 15, 2013, 01:26:07 pm
Cool.  Consider it a rumor I got from my sources (i.e., me).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on January 15, 2013, 02:04:18 pm
Nationals sign Rafael Soriano, 2/$28. That team is stocked!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 15, 2013, 03:02:40 pm
cripes, they already have LaPorta resigned for 1B, they have Mikey Morse looking for a position (maybe LF?). Wish we had a spot at DH for Mikey Morse. Of course that would mean one more RH in the lineup.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on January 15, 2013, 08:59:32 pm
Soxrule, Nats are stocked and its so fun having a rich owner who doesn't keeping talking aobut a pay cap.

MSF, who is LaPorta? and Morse arpound these parts is known as the Beast, not Mikey.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 15, 2013, 10:15:48 pm
Eh, I thought they got the Soriano from the Cubs, my bad. Not LaPorta, LaRoche? Hell the guy who plays 1B.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 15, 2013, 10:17:01 pm
Rex knew him in Birmingham, went by name Mikey Mo.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on January 15, 2013, 10:20:12 pm
Mikey Mo was before the roids
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 16, 2013, 08:26:56 am
Nah, he was on them at that time, that was after he had been suspended in the minors.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on January 24, 2013, 02:32:37 pm
White Sox claim RHP Zach Stewart off waivers from Pittsburg.

Tickets to Soxfest must be soaring right now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 24, 2013, 02:35:51 pm


The White Sox claimed Zach Stewart off of waivers, MLBTR has learned. The Pirates had designated Stewart for assignment one week ago to create 40-man roster space for Jeff Karstens.

This marks the second time in two years that the White Sox have acquired Stewart. They traded for him and Jason Frasor in July of 2012, sending Edwin Jackson and Mark Teahen to Toronto. Stewart posted an 8.58 ERA with 4.8 K/9 and 1.0 BB/9 in 35 2/3 innings for the White Sox and Red Sox this past season. The Red Sox traded him to Pittsburgh in November, but he never threw a pitch for the Pirates.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 24, 2013, 02:48:10 pm
Charlotte needs a fifth starter (and Elvis needs boats).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2013, 03:28:14 pm
Ah, so Elvis is reincarnated again?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 24, 2013, 04:28:53 pm
Yankees sign Dan Johnson.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 22, 2013, 02:00:41 pm
from whitesox.com


White Sox land Gillaspie in trade with Giants
Right-hander Soptic sent to San Francisco; Anderson designated for assignment


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 2/22/2013 1:35 P.M. ET


GLENDALE, Ariz. -- The White Sox added a left-handed hitter and a third baseman on Friday morning in acquiring Conor Gillaspie from the Giants in exchange for Minor League right-hander Jeff Soptic.

To make room on the 40-man roster for Gillaspie, who is out of options, the White Sox designated infielder Lars Anderson for assignment.

"He conceivably fits in nicely on the roster, which we'll obviously decide more about toward the end of next month," said White Sox general manager Rick Hahn of Gillaspie. "But we see him having a solid hit tool, above-average awareness of the strike zone, solid defensively. He gives us a little versatility in his ability to play third base as well as first. He gives [manager] Robin [Ventura] some options potentially."
                                                     
Gillaspie, 25, spent the majority of the 2012 season with Triple-A Fresno, hitting .281 with 14 home runs and 49 RBIs in 108 games. The 6-foot-1, 205-pounder appeared in six games with the Giants last season, going 3-for-20 with two RBIs.

Selected by the Giants with a sandwich pick (37th overall) in the 2008 First-Year Player Draft out of Wichita State University, Gillaspie made his Major League debut on Sept. 6 that year. He became the first member of the 2008 Draft class to reach the Major Leagues and was the quickest player in Giants history to do so, surpassing pitcher Jeff Robinson's mark of 306 days.

MLB.com, which ranked Gillaspie 13th in its list of the Giants' Top 20 prospects, had the following to say of his ability.

"He's a decent hitter, quick through the strike zone, who has a pretty good approach at the plate," read the analysis of Gillaspie, who is a career .287 hitter with 37 homers, 259 RBIs and a .358 on-base percentage in 514 games over five Minor League seasons. He also has 44 big league at-bats in 29 games played over the 2008, 2011 and 2012 seasons.

read more:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130222&content_id=41881664&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130222&content_id=41881664&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on February 23, 2013, 08:03:05 am
I like this Gillaspie kid a lot, and to get him just for Soptic, wow. Soptic probably has the best Fastball in the org, but no idea where it is going yet, Giants got a good arm.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2013, 09:54:37 am
Just my 2 cents worth but I wasnt impressed with the trade. My opinion begins with the question as to why Gillaspie couldnt make it in the BL? Why werent his numbers better? Was competition so good at 3B that Gillaspie couldnt stick? Something doesnt add up. Hey! He might turn out very well. For an A ball pitcher the investment may be good. Its too early to say at this point. Right now I just dont see some potential starter we got for nothing.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on February 23, 2013, 10:42:20 am
Just my 2 cents worth but I wasnt impressed with the trade. My opinion begins with the question as to why Gillaspie couldnt make it in the BL? Why werent his numbers better? Was competition so good at 3B that Gillaspie couldnt stick? Something doesnt add up. Hey! He might turn out very well. For an A ball pitcher the investment may be good. Its too early to say at this point. Right now I just dont see some potential starter we got for nothing.

They have Pablo Sandoval at 3B, and he ain't moving.

Gillespie has never really gotten a shot at the bigs (48 plate appearances) - that's fewer plate appearances than NL starting pitchers normally get in a year.

Gillespie isn't a big enough of a prospect to move Sandoval for, but he's worth a shot for sure.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on February 23, 2013, 11:46:04 am
He will at the least make a good lefty platoon for Keppinger.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2013, 12:03:36 pm
I thought Keppinger was a switch hitter.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2013, 12:26:43 pm
I thought Keppinger was a switch hitter.

You thought wrong:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/keppije01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/keppije01.shtml)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on February 23, 2013, 12:51:13 pm
Just my 2 cents worth but I wasnt impressed with the trade. My opinion begins with the question as to why Gillaspie couldnt make it in the BL? Why werent his numbers better? Was competition so good at 3B that Gillaspie couldnt stick? Something doesnt add up. Hey! He might turn out very well. For an A ball pitcher the investment may be good. Its too early to say at this point. Right now I just dont see some potential starter we got for nothing.

They have Pablo Sandoval at 3B, and he ain't moving.

Gillespie has never really gotten a shot at the bigs (48 plate appearances) - that's fewer plate appearances than NL starting pitchers normally get in a year.

Gillespie isn't a big enough of a prospect to move Sandoval for, but he's worth a shot for sure.

Exactly, not like this guy got any chance. Went to ML in first season out of college, that is impressive, from a great baseball school of Wichita State, so he knows how to play. Good D, a LH bat, and a fabulous K to BB ratio, one of best I have seen from a minor leaguer. Also started to show power in his last two years, no longer just a singles guy. He has a nice chance. Put Keppinger at 2B and play Gillaspie at 3B against tough RHs, to relieve Beckham of that task.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on February 23, 2013, 01:08:05 pm
I thought Keppinger was a switch hitter.

You thought wrong:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/keppije01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/keppije01.shtml)



Thank you for correcting me. I also notice you didnt waste any time jumping in there to tell me so.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2013, 03:19:09 pm
I thought Keppinger was a switch hitter.

You thought wrong:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/keppije01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/keppije01.shtml)



Thank you for correcting me. I also notice you didnt waste any time jumping in there to tell me so.

You're welcome!

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on February 26, 2013, 02:33:48 pm
Quote
I thought Keppinger was a switch hitter.

I'm not concerned with what he does behind closed doors in his private life.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 08, 2013, 09:38:58 pm


Mock Draft has the White Sox picking Hunter Harvey (HS RHP out of North Carolina), son of former MLB reliever Bryan Harvey with their 1st pick:

http://sbb.scout.com/2/1289798.html (http://sbb.scout.com/2/1289798.html)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 10, 2013, 04:16:24 pm

Two more mock Rule 4 drafts:

Jim Callis in Baseball America - http://ht.ly/kSFPr (http://ht.ly/kSFPr)

Sports Illustrated - http://m.si.com/2903333/mlb-mock-draft-gray-looks-like-best-bet-at-no-1-for-now/ (http://m.si.com/2903333/mlb-mock-draft-gray-looks-like-best-bet-at-no-1-for-now/)




I hope Jim Callis is wrong as the White Sox don't need to draft another guy that 'reminds then of a young Kenny Williams'.  Better to draft Eric Jagielo, a left-hand hitting third baseman from Notre Dame, who's from Downers Grove North than using another 1st round pick on another Kenny Williams clone.  I've seen this kid play baseball since he was 10 and Jagielo is a great hitter, a superb athlete and has what Hawk calls TWTW.

http://www.und.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/eric_jagielo_722682.html (http://www.und.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/eric_jagielo_722682.html)

http://www.und.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2012-2013/teamcume.html (http://www.und.com/sports/m-basebl/stats/2012-2013/teamcume.html)



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on May 28, 2013, 08:46:56 pm
A couple of minor moves:

1) Angel Sanchez has been outrighted, and thus removed from the 40-man roster.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/minor-moves-joe-benson-angel-sanchez.html

2) The Sox have traded minor leaguer Drew Garcia to Colorado for a PTBNL.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/05/minor-moves-drew-garcia.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on May 29, 2013, 06:17:40 pm
They need to trade the whole friggin team. What an horrible team
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on June 03, 2013, 09:23:01 am
This one could rival the 1989 team as the most forgettable of all Sox clubs.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 04, 2013, 12:45:01 pm
Pretty strong words from Peavy:

“I obviously played more years in San Diego, but I feel that I’m a Chicago White Sock, and I want to be known as that until the day I die,” Jake Peavy said in a CSN interview. “I love, love our fan base. I love the blue collar attitude and just the persona we have, because that’s who I am, that’s the way I was raised. I feel honored to put on that uniform.”

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox-talk/peavy-ill-go-play-anywhere

Jake says he'll go play anywhere, but too bad he adds the caveat of "to a playoff contender." I was going to suggest the idea of trading him to the Cubs since he apparently likes Chicago, and seeing which of their big prospects we could get in return.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on June 04, 2013, 01:08:13 pm
Their prospects are not doing so great..

Jackson is struggling, Almora is always hurt. Soler has obvious roid raid issues.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on June 04, 2013, 01:14:51 pm
Chicago White Sock

Ugh.  Squirm.   That is so wrong.   Makes me think he is just blowing smoke.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 04, 2013, 01:20:31 pm
Pretty strong cliche words from Peavy

He never disappoints. He will definitely join Erstad and Eckstein on my All-Grinder Team. He's a real lunchpailer.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 04, 2013, 03:19:47 pm
Ugh.  Squirm.   That is so wrong.   Makes me think he is just blowing smoke.

Exactly what I thought. Cringe-worthy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 17, 2013, 10:26:43 am

The White Sox have fallen 9.5 games back in the AL Central after losing their last four games, and unless they can pull off the unlikely feat of battling their way into the playoff picture in the next few weeks, their veterans will likely be part of trade rumors as late July approaches.

Jeff Todd recently discussed the possible fate of one of those veterans, Alex Rios. Another is righty reliever Jesse Crain, who the Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo discussed in his latest rumor roundup. "As bullpens become depleted teams are looking for solid, dependable guys who can be used from the seventh inning on. [Crain] is becoming a top name on wish lists around baseball," Cafardo says.

Crain has never been a closer, and thus doesn't have the "proven closer" label that occasionally causes teams to overpay for relievers at the trade deadline. The White Sox's closer, Addison Reed, has also pitched well this year, though he's unlikely to be traded due to his youth and the fact that he isn't even arbitration-eligible yet.

But Crain, 31, should be a valuable piece nonetheless. His strikeout rate has improved in every season since 2005, and this year he's taken a step forward with his control as well. He's posted an 0.60 ERA this season, with 11.7 K/9 and 2.7 BB/9, and he hasn't allowed a run in 26 straight appearances. The 0.60 ERA isn't sustainable, clearly, but Crain's strikeout rate and walk rate are both very strong. He's capable of getting outs with either his mid-90s fastball or his plus slider. He's also effective against both righties and lefties, which makes him an excellent fit in his current role as a setup man. A creative team in need of a closer could also do worse than to trade for Crain and use him in that position.

Assuming they can't fight their way back into the playoff race, the White Sox would be well-served to deal Crain. He'll be a free agent after the season, and the White Sox's farm system is poor -- before the season, Keith Law and John Sickels both ranked it the third-worst farm system in baseball. Trading a non-closing reliever in his 30s, even an excellent one with a cheap $4.5MM salary, isn't the easiest way to build a farm system. But given their place in the standings and Crain's impending free agency, the White Sox have little to lose, and there are occasional trades where a contender will pay premium prices for a very good setup man. (The Padres' 2011 trade of Mike Adams to the Rangers for Robbie Erlin and Joe Wieland comes to mind, although, unlike Crain, Adams had a year and a half left before he was eligible for free agency.)

There are few contenders that couldn't use Crain, although a team with question marks at the back of its bullpen would be an ideal fit. The Reds and Red Sox could well be on the hunt for bullpen help at the trade deadline. The Tigers would also make sense if Detroit and Chicago are willing to make a trade within the AL Central.



http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/06/trade-candidate-jesse-crain.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/06/trade-candidate-jesse-crain.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29)



(Edited to add a link to the original source.)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 17, 2013, 12:09:14 pm
Which begs the question why we can't edit our own posts on this forum.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 17, 2013, 12:29:38 pm
So that you can't just type **** and **** and go back and revise it. Everyone will know you **** said it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 17, 2013, 12:41:36 pm
I can make corrections or post and add the updated material on any of the other forums.
I'm just wondering why this is better. I couldn't update with a link if I wanted to.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 17, 2013, 01:09:10 pm
I have no idea.

Probably just a createaforum feature.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 17, 2013, 01:15:26 pm
Just like this **** censorship bullshit.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on June 17, 2013, 01:23:13 pm
I think this forum has a timer... you get x ****ing minutes before its locked for good.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 17, 2013, 02:29:30 pm
Yeah, if you edit it soon enough it lets you, not sure what the time limit is.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 17, 2013, 04:02:27 pm
If there's a time limit, isn't that the same as WXing? Or did WXing go down after a given time after a post? I can't remember.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 17, 2013, 04:23:32 pm
I never ran into the time limit previously, as far as I can recall, which is not too damn far anymore.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on June 17, 2013, 05:18:35 pm
at worldcrossing if you had admin status... you could edit forever...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 17, 2013, 06:19:51 pm
ahhh, ok.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 20, 2013, 10:06:24 am
Another potential destination for Alex:


8. Reds: An Outfielder

The Reds have a deep roster with redundant parts in some places, but they do have one weakness: left field. Their problems at the position began on Opening Day, when Ryan Ludwick dislocated his shoulder and subsequently had surgery to repair a torn labrum. He hasn’t played since. In Ludwick’s absence, Chris Heisey initially got the bulk of the playing time, but he strained his hamstring and has been on the DL since late April. The loss of Heisey forced the Reds to rely on a platoon of Xavier Paul and Derrick Robinson, which has worked fairly well as a stopgap. On the whole, the team’s left fielders have hit .247/.319/.363. NL left fielders as a group have hit .264/.333/.437.

In a perfect world, Billy Hamilton would be tearing up Triple-A and the Reds could call him up to play center, simultaneously filling an offensive hole and sliding Shin-Soo Choo back to right. In this world, though, Hamilton is hitting .243/.302/.339 and hasn’t heated up lately, so he’s unlikely to help. Ludwick threw for the first time since his surgery last Friday and won’t return until mid-August at the earliest. Even then, he might not be back to full strength. Heisey should begin a rehab assignment soon, but he’s more of a supporting cast member than a first-division starter. (PECOTA projects a .254 TAv.) Cincinnati’s in-house solutions either aren’t prepared to hit big-league pitching, aren’t close to coming back from injury, or aren’t that great to begin with.

Enter an outfielder from another organization—Alex Rios, for instance. Rios’ successful season has made him one of the only marketable trade chips on the White Sox, and he started in center as recently as 2011, so his glove would probably be better than Choo’s. He’s signed for next season at $12.5 million (plus a $1 million buyout of a $13.5 million option for 2015), a rate that looks more reasonable than it did a few years ago, and his presence would give Cincinnati some insurance in the event that Choo walks away this winter.

The Reds probably don’t have a lot of payroll room to work with—there are a few cheaper options available if Rios won’t work—but they could really benefit from an extra win or two down the stretch. Our Playoff Odds suggest that they’re a near-lock to make the playoffs as it is, but St. Louis is still slightly favored to win the Central. An upgrade in the outfield could help tip the balance toward Cincy. —Ben Lindbergh


http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=20935
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 20, 2013, 10:11:46 am
If I could get Robert Stephenson along with Jesse Winker, I make a deal in a heartbeat. Danks can play every day in place of Rios until we have a better alternative.

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=608385

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=596112

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on June 20, 2013, 11:56:36 am
Would love Stephenson... but thats a high ask for a few months of rios..

Shoot if they want to send him over Hahn should offer to eat rios's salary
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 20, 2013, 12:15:02 pm
You do realize that Rios is signed through '14, right?

He's owed $12.5M (which gets bumped up to $13M if he's traded) in 2014, and has a $13.5M club option w/ a $1M buyout for 2015 (with the option getting bumped up to $14M if he's traded in '13).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 20, 2013, 12:19:21 pm
Source:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/chicago-white-sox/
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 20, 2013, 12:50:20 pm
This is the first year I can remember being excited about being sellers at the deadline. Let's see what Hahn can do.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 20, 2013, 12:59:09 pm
I like rebuilding years, lets hope Hahn does as good a job as Larry Hines did.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 20, 2013, 01:08:47 pm
Not so fast, although maybe Hahn is just playing it coy. Sure hope that's the case:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/hahn-not-ready-to-sell-off-sox/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/hahn-not-ready-to-sell-off-sox/)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on June 20, 2013, 01:19:04 pm
Didnt realize... thought next year was his option year... be happy to pick up this years remainder for a stud prospect...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 20, 2013, 01:24:49 pm
Not so fast, although maybe Hahn is just playing it coy. Sure hope that's the case:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/hahn-not-ready-to-sell-off-sox/ (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/06/19/hahn-not-ready-to-sell-off-sox/)


He better be playing coy, I agree with that. This team is dead, there are 3 players I would keep for sure: Sale, Reed and Beckham. Anyone else can go.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 20, 2013, 01:32:14 pm
Rios' deal actually looks palatable now. Standard ask is two top prospects for a guy like that. Can't give him away like we did Swisher.

Reds are probably best match for us. Mets desperately need OF but can't see them being buyers on Rios.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 20, 2013, 01:37:23 pm
Not so fast, although maybe Hahn is just playing it coy.

He's definitely playing it coy. I cannot imagine any scenario in which he thinks the Sox have a chance this year and should add payroll. Not happening.

We don't need a full rebuild and we can't afford one that takes 5 years so hopefully in 2 or 3 years -- at most -- we're competitive again.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 20, 2013, 04:56:52 pm
I think we need a full rebuild, I might keep a couple other younger pitchers like Quintana and Santiago besides Reed and Sale, but that is about it. Who besides Beckham? Gillaspie is serviceable but is he a corner infielder? I have tired of Ramirez. No one else worth keeping who is not a commodity for a trade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on June 20, 2013, 05:48:52 pm
keep the young guys that arnt arbitration eligible... Q might have decent trade value.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 20, 2013, 06:02:38 pm
He just seems to be a guy who could end up being a dependable lefty starter. Reminds me at times of a young Buehrle, and at times of an oldie named Juan Pizarro.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on June 21, 2013, 01:29:05 am
Agree with msf.  I'd wait on Gillaspie unless he's packaged in a good deal, the kid looks like he has a clue.  Ramirez is one of those on-the-fence players, same for Quintana.  Sentimental verdict is to keep Konerko around, he's a leader and a lifetime Sox guy with a lot of cred in the bank.  Danks may eventually return to form next year, but it still peeves me that they allocated $ to him that should have been used to keep Buehrle.

The rest of the roster is uber-expendable. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 21, 2013, 05:34:20 pm
White Sox trade rumors: Alex Rios, Jake Peavy, Gordon Beckham, basically everyone

http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/6/21/4452366/white-sox-trade-rumors-alex-rios-jake-peavy-gordon-beckham-basically (http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2013/6/21/4452366/white-sox-trade-rumors-alex-rios-jake-peavy-gordon-beckham-basically)

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22497599/white-sox-deadline-sale-coming?-rios-peavy-crain-beckham-in-mix (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/22497599/white-sox-deadline-sale-coming?-rios-peavy-crain-beckham-in-mix)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 24, 2013, 11:18:51 am
I wonder if there's any trade market at all for Dunn. Despite the horrific avg and strikeouts, he does have 20 HR's before the All Star break already. Is there an AL contender who might put up with everything else to get those home runs? Even if we have to pay a ton of his salary it would be worth it from our end, I'd think.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on June 24, 2013, 12:50:20 pm
I concur.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 24, 2013, 02:16:36 pm
There is no market for Dunn, outside of someone else's bad contract.

At this point, if you have an adequate replacement player, you'd just release him.
I'd certainly have no complaints with doing just that and calling up Andy Wilkins or Dan Brown.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 24, 2013, 02:51:37 pm
Dan Black, you were close though.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 24, 2013, 03:06:22 pm

Names to watch as buyers and sellers start trade-deadline frenzy


http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees-trade-deadline-frenzy-041914872.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/10-degrees-trade-deadline-frenzy-041914872.html)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 24, 2013, 03:39:43 pm
Black....Brown...just make him a White (Sox) at Dunn's expense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 24, 2013, 04:07:51 pm
Black....Brown...just make him a White (Sox) at Dunn's expense.

Agreed. I also agree we cannot get anything for Dunn, so just release him, please
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 24, 2013, 05:15:44 pm
I totally disagree with just releasing Dunn, when the guy we replace him with will hit for the same average with no home runs.

Dunn has had a better year than Kong when you look at all offensive records
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 26, 2013, 09:07:49 am
I totally disagree with just releasing Dunn, when the guy we replace him with will hit for the same average with no home runs.

We don't know what his replacement will do. We know what Dunn will do. The objective is to use the playing time to find out if Black or Wilkins can be contributors. I would rather pay 14 mil to answer that question than pay 14 mil for a .200 avg and a slew of HRs from a guy that can't play defense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 26, 2013, 09:54:01 am
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t247&t=p_pbp&pid=542941

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t247&t=p_pbp&pid=519421

I don't see how we get from a .290 average and .860 OPS to "will hit for same average as Dunn with no HRs".

It could happen, but the numbers at AA suggest those guys have some pop and make considerably more contact than Dunn.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 26, 2013, 10:46:03 am
http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t247&t=p_pbp&pid=542941

http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=t247&t=p_pbp&pid=519421

I don't see how we get from a .290 average and .860 OPS to "will hit for same average as Dunn with no HRs".

It could happen, but the numbers at AA suggest those guys have some pop and make considerably more contact than Dunn.


Again, the 2013 team is a loss.

Why unnecessarily stunt prospects' development for the sake of dumping an underperforming player? Let the kids develop, and don't let the mess that's going on up here affect what's right for the kids.

Side note - Dunn's AAA stats (55 games in 2001): .329 BA, .441 OBP, .676 SLG. 51 K in 254 PA.
Dunn's AA stats (39 games in 2001): .343 BA, .449 OBP, .664 SLG, 31K in 168 PA.

His combined AA / AAA stats in '01 (94 games in 2001): .334 BA, .444 OBP, .671 SLG, 82 K in 422 PA.

So we went from a .334 BA and 1.116 OPS to "will hit for the same average as Dunn" with homers.... so I can see how you can get from a .290 average and .860 OPS to "will hit for same average as Dunn with no HRs." Probably unlikely, but why risk it?

Let the 2013 team rot. If you can dump guys to shed salary, replace them with AAAA fodder. Let the prospects' development dictate when they come up to the big leagues if it's a lost season... not the needs of a trainwreck of a team.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 26, 2013, 10:46:45 am
Source for Dunn's ml stats:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=dunn--001ada
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 26, 2013, 12:59:23 pm
Adam Dunn 2001 is a far cry from Adam Dunn 2013.

Dunn came up in 2001 and hit .262 and OPS'ed .949. He struck out 74 times in roughly 250 ABs, clearly much better than what he is doing today.

I don't think you stunt anyone's growth by giving them an extra 2 months in the big leagues instead of waiting for Sept. call-ups.
The Red Sox are sending Middlebrooks down, I don't think anyone thinks he's been stunted.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on June 26, 2013, 01:05:46 pm
I don't think you stunt anyone's growth by giving them an extra 2 months in the big leagues instead of waiting for Sept. call-ups.

I highly disagree on that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 26, 2013, 05:13:56 pm
Neither Wilkins or Black are considered top prospects, could be just AAA fodder. They are good to try out up in the bigs, but they are not in our top 10 prospect list by any means.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 27, 2013, 09:11:28 am
Black has been a little old for every level he's been at, I believe. That may be part of the under-rating on him. It certainly hasn't been a lack of production.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 27, 2013, 09:36:17 am
You are correct. He has pretty much been an All Star at every level, and I think he was MVP of the Carolina League as well. Pretty impressive. It is his body that scares folks, 6-5 and they say 240. 2 nights ago he went 1-1 with 5 BBs. His OBP is over .400. Drives in big runs it seems everywhere he has been.

I like Wilkins too, but I like Dan Black better. Until he proves he cannot do it, I would like him given a shot at some point.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 27, 2013, 09:57:27 pm
Per Jon Heyman, the White Sox have let it be known that they are open for business and everyone but Sale and Konerko are available.

I'm guessing they're unwilling to trade Konerko (at this time, at least) because he probably won't bring much back anyway so it's better to let him end his career in a White Sox uniform.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 28, 2013, 08:14:45 am
Wish they had Reed along with those two. I have no problem honoring Paulie like that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 28, 2013, 10:27:43 am
Bah, I'd make Konerko available in a second if there was a decent return.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on June 28, 2013, 12:38:36 pm
If we could get something decent, sure. But he is likely going to retire after this year isn't he? He should.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on June 28, 2013, 08:06:34 pm
Its good to see so much agreement that we have to dump some players
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 12, 2013, 11:26:06 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/red-sox-acquire-matt-thornton.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

...and it has begun. Thornton + cash to the Red Sox for AA outfielder Brandon Jacobs.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: whitesox dope on July 13, 2013, 10:04:41 am
"The White Sox still have a number of key trade chips that could be moved, including Alex Rios, Matt Thornton, Matt Lindstrom, and possibly Jake Peavy and Jesse Crain when they return to action.  Crain figures to bring back the best return of any White Sox reliever if he can come back healthy in time."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/red-sox-acquire-matt-thornton.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

Wasn't the article about Thornton being traded?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: whitesox dope on July 13, 2013, 10:23:07 am
Wonder how the media in town is going to react to this? They appear to think Theo walks on water and Jacobs was a Theo pick. Would it be considered a good trade if he was going to cubbie blue and bad to the silver and black?

It is something we'll never know in this specific case, just have to wait for the year end evaluations of transactions to get a feel I suppose.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 13, 2013, 11:10:56 am
The White Sox also sent $750K out east to help take care of a portion of Thornton's salary, who is owed about $3.5MM over the remainder of the season.

I think Thorton also has an option with a buyout for next year.

Pretty good trade -- I like saving the $3 million part more than the schmoe outfielder they got.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 13, 2013, 11:21:21 am
One dude's take on the new guy:

http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2013/07/matt-thornton-nets-outfielder-brandon-jacobs-from-boston/
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 13, 2013, 02:35:25 pm

(http://linedrive.blogs.goupstate.com/files/2011/06/Jacobs-Brandon-4013Priddy575.jpg)

A Boston view of Brandon Jacobs:

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/07/12/what-the-red-sox-gave-up-in-outfielder-brandon-jacobs/ (http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2013/07/12/what-the-red-sox-gave-up-in-outfielder-brandon-jacobs/)

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2013/07/red_sox_had_to_part_with_brand.html (http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2013/07/red_sox_had_to_part_with_brand.html)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 13, 2013, 02:46:05 pm


A Peter Gammons column on Brandon Jacobs from January 2011:


(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/2011/01/09/uHJXiWSa.jpg)

Red Sox prospect prefers ballpark to backfield
Jacobs might have been in BCS title game


(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/columnists/small/columnist_peter_gammons.jpg) By Peter Gammons |  01/09/11 10:00 AM EST


Brandon Jacobs works out every day in his hometown of Lilburn, Ga. He hits, lifts, runs and -- like everyone else in the land of the Southeastern Conference -- is waiting for Monday's BCS Championship Game.

Jacobs has more of a personal stake than most who are not tied to Auburn University. He could have been lining up at tailback behind Tigers quarterback Cam Newton against Oregon.

"I think about it," says Jacobs. "They told me I would have a chance to play as a freshman, so by now, as a sophomore, I might have been playing."

Jacobs originally signed to play for Auburn in the summer before his 2008-09 senior year at Parkview High School in Lilburn, Ga. He looked hard at the University of Georgia and a couple of other schools but signed with Tommy Tuberville and Auburn to play tailback, as well as play baseball. He was described by one scouting service as "a tailback in a fullback's body," somewhere around 6 feet tall and between 225-240 pounds.

Tuberville eventually was replaced by Gene Chizik, and Jacobs listened to the charge put on him by the University of Florida, but by then he was wrapped up in his high school baseball season.

"Baseball was always my first love," says Jacobs.

At the time, Donavan Tate, a quarterback and center fielder, was the toast of Georgia high school baseball and so much the darling of the scouts that he eventually was the third overall pick by the San Diego Padres in the 2009 First-Year Player Draft.

But one area scout described Jacobs as one of the "best pure hitters I'd ever seen. He reminded me of an 18-year-old Kevin Mitchell. He could run, he played hard and he made contact. I think he struck out four times his entire senior year."

read more:    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110109&content_id=16411790 (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110109&content_id=16411790)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 13, 2013, 02:52:22 pm

ScoutingBook.com on Brandon Jacobs:

http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2928 (http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2928)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 13, 2013, 03:22:01 pm
Sounds like another "young Kenny Williams type" is joining the White Sox organization:


Quote

The big part of this is that the Red Sox surrendered relatively little in the deal. While there was some implication Thornton would come at a high price, Brandon Jacobs is not much of a hit to take. While he was an interesting prospect when first signed for $750,000 back in 2009, his performances since 2011 have left something to be desired. The prolific strikeout pace has caught up to him, and a resurgence in June was powered more by BABIP than anything else. Jacobs is certainly a toolsy prospect, but there's a long list of toolsy prospects who have amounted to very little in the history of the game.

All-in-all, this seems like the right deal for bullpen help. The Sox get a warm body--one who can provide decent innings and possibly even more if his decline is more of a slump. The White Sox get something back--albeit a lottery ticket prospect--for a left-handed reliever who is not really in the conversation for the best name on the market.


http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/7/12/4519416/red-sox-trade-matt-thornton-white-sox-brandon-jacobs-news (http://www.overthemonster.com/2013/7/12/4519416/red-sox-trade-matt-thornton-white-sox-brandon-jacobs-news)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on July 13, 2013, 06:57:38 pm
A hamate injury in 2012 bothered him when he was in High-A, and he saw a drop in all of his numbers (.252/.322/.410).

Sounds like he needs one of them new fangled bats we wuz readin bout!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 25, 2013, 07:04:55 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/tim-hudson-carted-off-field-suffered-fractured-ankle-032359806.html

Tim Hudson breaks his ankle covering 1B on a grounder, out for the year.

Why post this in this thread? Jake Peavy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 25, 2013, 09:15:27 am
His stock just went up.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 25, 2013, 09:22:57 am
Red Sox talking Middlebrooks and more for Peavy. I do NOT want Middlebrooks, he is not what we need. Rather have the young 3Bman they have in the minors, Cecchini.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 25, 2013, 09:25:09 am
middlebrooks is sooooooo overrated...

K's way to much.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 25, 2013, 09:28:28 am
and if StL really offered us the 24th best prospect in baseball, a pitcher named Martinez, for Alexei, then I am trying to get that done as well.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 25, 2013, 09:34:06 am
Carlos Martinez?

That would be a good trade... i cant believe O's gave up Delmonico for F-rod... we should have sent them crain for him!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 25, 2013, 09:48:11 am
and if StL really offered us the 24th best prospect in baseball, a pitcher named Martinez, for Alexei, then I am trying to get that done as well.

Somebody on Twitter, Jon Heyman I think, already mentioned that that "trade proposal" was a rumor.

I hope Hahn has created a bidding war for Peavy. And I hope nothing happens to JP before a trade gets done! That's all we need -- for him to complain about his arm during his start today or something.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 25, 2013, 10:10:58 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/schierholtz-rios-top-pirates-wish-list.html

KW was recently in Altoona, home of the Pirates' AA affiliate.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 25, 2013, 10:16:54 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/white-sox-rangers-discussing-alex-rios.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

...and the Rangers have gotten in on the Alex Rios sweepstakes.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 25, 2013, 12:38:49 pm
Just saw a report that Jesse Crain had another setback and will not be back before the trade deadline. 

I fully expect both Rios and Peavy to fall on the dugout stairs today and land on the 100-day DL.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 25, 2013, 12:50:48 pm
Per Jayon Stark:
Your scout lineup for Jake Peavy's start today: Red Sox, Cardinals, Dodgers, Braves, O's, Reds & Rangers have 2.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 25, 2013, 01:32:11 pm
Just do not take Middlebrooks. I would rather have all prospects who have not been in majors than to have retreads like him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 25, 2013, 01:54:53 pm
Jake looking good so far. 3 IP, no hits, 3 K's.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 28, 2013, 02:47:21 pm
Looks like Peavy could be dealt soon.   Hahn better make a good deal for him; none of this eat-most-of-salary-and-get-a-marginal-prospect crap.   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 29, 2013, 10:47:04 am
The White Sox are close to trading Jesse Crain in a three-team deal that includes the Tampa Bay Rays (the third team is unknown). Crain was seen handing out envelopes to clubhouse workers at U.S. Cellular Field after Sunday's game. 

The White Sox are also weighing serious offers for Peavy, outfielder Alex Rios and shortstop Alexei Ramirez.


http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/16438/source-sox-close-on-crain-trade
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 29, 2013, 12:38:12 pm

11:39am: The deal is not close to done, tweets Yahoo's Jeff Passan.  He adds that the White Sox are exploring multiple avenues for Crain.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 29, 2013, 04:11:16 pm
Sounds like Crain has been dealt to Tampa.  No word on the return; guessing PTBNL.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 29, 2013, 05:46:27 pm
local radio says its PTBNL contingent on how many innings he pitches...

if he doesnt pitch a lot all they cover is his salary...

he is still on DL so basically we gotta root for him coming back and helps lead tampa deep into the play-offs.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on July 30, 2013, 11:07:07 am
Really!!??  You have got to be bleeping me?!  This is the Hahn era?  The only team in the history of baseball to make a sell-off trade in a sellers market AND be the ones carrying the risk.  Good god.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2013, 11:12:52 am
My feelings are the same thus far.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2013, 12:55:15 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/latest-on-alex-rios-1.html


Latest On Alex Rios
 
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 12:25pm CST]
 
It sounds like the White Sox and Pirates are getting close on a deal for right fielder Alex Rios, tweets David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com.  He notes that the cash is being worked on, and he's not sure if the two clubs can find middle ground.  Rios will be owed over $18MM through 2014 if traded.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 30, 2013, 12:59:41 pm
Also from Kaplan's twitter:

Just talked to solid ML source who said "Talks ramping up because of suspensions that are coming. Teams in race cant be caught short handed."

Seems Hahn was wise to wait.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2013, 02:15:13 pm
New front-runner in bids for Peavy. The Jakester is now scheduled to pitch tomorrow.


•If the A's are to make a deal for Peavy, Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle sees outfielder Michael Choice as the potential centerpiece.  Otherwise, they could add a reliever.  GM Billy Beane says this is the "lowest trade inventory I've seen in years."
 •The D'Backs have emerged as the front runner for Peavy, tweets Gordon Edes of ESPNBoston.com.
 •The Diamondbacks could make a deal for Peavy if they get a cash adjustment, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney, who notes the strong history with Peavy and GM Kevin Towers.
 •The D'Backs may kick the tires again on Peavy, hears Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports.  The White Sox are now listing Peavy for tomorrow's start against the Indians, for what it's worth.


Per mlbtraderumors.com sources.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2013, 03:11:24 pm

Latest On Alex Rios
 
By Tim Dierkes [July 30 at 1:54pm CST]
 
1:54pm: A deal is not close at this time, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports.  Rob Biertempfel of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review hears the same.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 30, 2013, 04:01:46 pm
Holy cow, this is deadline craziness:

A's are out on Peavy
A's are very much still in on Peavy
The Red Sox are the front runners for Peavy
The Cardinals are the front runners for Peavy
The Diamondbacks are out on Peavy
The Diamondbacks are heating up talks on Peavy
Pirates-Sox talking huge mega deal regarding Peavy - Rios - Ramirez
Pirates not close to deal with ChiSox
The Cardinals are out on Peavy
The Diamondbacks are the frontrunners for Peavy
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 30, 2013, 04:28:00 pm
SoxRule

It's all posturing and a giant game of chicken to see who blinks first.

We'll see at the trade deadline what, if anything, happens. 

If not in the next 30 hours, they'll still have the off-season to trade Peavy, Rios, etc. 

If Hahn can't get what he wants for them in trade now, I have no problem waiting until December to trade them.

I'm not sweating it one way or the other.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2013, 04:46:47 pm
This is just a wild reach on my part, but the Sox seem dead set on getting at least 4 players for Peavy if the rumors are true.
No one appears ready to part with 4 prospects.

There is some rumor of the Angels being interested in Ian Kennedy, and a ton of rumors regarding Arizona and Peavy.

It seems to me everyone could get what they want in a 3-team deal. IMO it would look something like this:

Arizona gets:  Peavy

Angels get:  Kennedy

White Sox get:   Adam Eaton OF (Arizona), Matt Davidson 3B (Arizona), Kole Calhoun RF (Angels), Daniel Tillman RP (Angels)

I suspect a little cash would have to be involved, and would go from Chicago to LA. But IMO, it would be a good trade for everyone involved.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 30, 2013, 04:50:04 pm
A's are out on Peavy
A's are very much still in on Peavy
The Red Sox are the front runners for Peavy
The Cardinals are the front runners for Peavy
The Diamondbacks are out on Peavy
The Diamondbacks are heating up talks on Peavy
Pirates-Sox talking huge mega deal regarding Peavy - Rios - Ramirez
Pirates not close to deal with ChiSox
The Cardinals are out on Peavy
The Diamondbacks are the frontrunners for Peavy


Welcome to the clusterphuck that is Twitter. Now that Amanda Bynes is under medical care, I don't go there. Go ahead, call me a Luddite.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 30, 2013, 05:03:27 pm
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/30/quote-of-the-day-paul-konerko-minces-no-words-whatsoever/

Ah Luv Paulie.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 30, 2013, 05:22:03 pm
If you look into the comments, there's also a great Charlie Manuel quote:

When asked about his contract, Charlie Manuel said, “I got 99 problems and my contract ain’t one of them”.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 30, 2013, 09:52:54 pm
Sounds like Peavy to Red Sox is almost a done deal.   At least according to BBTN.

They also said we are getting Jose Iglesias in the deal, which means #10 may be out the door.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 30, 2013, 10:37:48 pm
Nothing official, and the twitters and message boards are all over the place (all over the nation moms are making meat loaves for their basement denizens), but now it seems we get Avisail Garcia (interesting dude) and 3 lower level minor leaguers.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2013, 10:50:42 pm
Well, I got the 3 team deal part right...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 30, 2013, 11:16:03 pm
Other 3 minor leaguers are Jeffrey Wendelken, Francellis Montas, Cleuluis Rondon.

MSF?
 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 30, 2013, 11:50:14 pm
Supposedly no cash to Boston in the deal.   Assuming they will use that money next year for high-priced top 5 draft pick + huge international money allotment.    If so... looking like a good deal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 31, 2013, 08:22:11 am
I like the return. Give up Peavy, get 4 prospects (including Avisail Garcia, #74 on BA's preseason top 100).

Garcia (RF, 22, AAA): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=garcia001avi
Lots of hitting potential. All-star-upside (per BA), with average defense in RF (again, per BA). I don't like his low walk rate, but his power is great. They call him "Mini-Miggy" in Detroit for his resemblance to Miguel Cabrera.

Jeffrey Wendelken (RP, 22, A): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=wendel000jef
Drafted last year in the 13th round, so he's basically had the equivalent of 1 full season. Numbers so far look decent. 82 K's in 86 1/3 innings across two half seasons in Rookie / A ball. Future bullpen arm, it looks like.

Francellis Montas (SP, 20, A): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=montas001fra
Numbers make him look like a power arm (96 K's in 85 1/3 innings as a starter in A ball). ERA looks pretty putrid this year. Looks like a "project" arm.

Cleuluis Rondon (SS, 19, Low A): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rondon000cle&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com
OK numbers. Zero power so far, but he's 19 years old at 6'0" / 155. Looks like another "let's just see how this kid grows" kid.

Garcia is ML-ready (could step in if/when Rios is traded), and the other 3 are young, low-minors guys. Seems our system has had a lot of success lately developing arms, so I've got hope for Montas and Wendelken. No idea about Rondon.

My only knock on Garcia is his walk rate, but I like his numbers otherwise, and I liked what I saw of him last fall when he played with the Tigers.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 31, 2013, 09:53:05 am
Cleuluis?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 31, 2013, 09:59:21 am
I was wondering what was in this for Detroit, but looks like JHONNY Peralta is going to get suspended, so Iglesias steps in.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2013, 12:22:34 pm
Other 3 minor leaguers are Jeffrey Wendelken, Francellis Montas, Cleuluis Rondon.

MSF?
 

Excuse me while I puke. Two more hitters who never walk and K too much. Neither pitcher excites me. Bad trade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 31, 2013, 01:08:37 pm
i agree with MSF....

how is that the best we can get in a rough trade market? i get that we saved 20 million... Avisail sucks... hes dayan only from Venezuela.

we should have agreed to take on a bit of the salary and gotten an A level guy like polanco.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 31, 2013, 02:42:58 pm
I don't agree with the "take on some money to get a better prospect" angle.   Is a "better prospect" worth $10 million, especially when that $10 million could be used to sign a top 3 draft pick and international players?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: whitesox dope on July 31, 2013, 03:00:53 pm
I like the money angle,  for next year it is pretty key to rebuilding.

IMHO, I think the sox did well considering Peavy's salary and injuries
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2013, 03:09:51 pm
Well this deadline sure ended in a dud. I was looking forward to seeing what Rios, Ramirez, and even Lindstrom might bring back (while also shedding all that salary).

Bit underwhelmed with the Peavy deal but it seems most people think very highly of Avisail Garcia and think the Sox did well in this trade. Keith Law wasn't thrilled with the trade, but he doesn't seem to like anything the Sox do.

Oh well, keep on losing and try for that top pick!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 31, 2013, 03:21:03 pm
I'm hoping some team is dumb enough to claim Rios when they put him on waivers in August.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2013, 03:49:31 pm
We better use the money we are saving. That is my biggest worry. Not impressed with Mr Hahn thus far, dang it, really want to like him. We should have plenty of money to pick up some bats in Free Agency this year, since it appears we are not going to blow this team up.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 31, 2013, 04:35:55 pm
depends on if they spend that money blackie. I dont see JR opening the wallet for draft picks... we'll get the 10th best toolsy two sport outfielder with the 3rd pick to ensure he's below slot.

avisail is really a flawed player... and i dont have much confidence of a hitting prospect turning it around in our system.

If brewers can get a guy like delmonico for f-rod... we aught to be able to get something better then avisail garcia for Peavy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 31, 2013, 08:16:27 pm
I'm happier with the deal, than with how I would feel today with no deal done.

Shedding $20 million in pay is a huge part of this deal, and if we spend that on acquisitions, free agents, draft picks, we win, even if Garcia folds. If we don't spend it then Garcia and some of the throw ins have to make it.

Having Peavy here for 1.5 years, on a last place team, paying him $20 million would be the biggest loser.

Hahn took the best he got offered.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 31, 2013, 08:38:43 pm
I'm happier with the deal, than with how I would feel today with no deal done.

Shedding $20 million in pay is a huge part of this deal, and if we spend that on acquisitions, free agents, draft picks, we win, even if Garcia folds. If we don't spend it then Garcia and some of the throw ins have to make it.

Having Peavy here for 1.5 years, on a last place team, paying him $20 million would be the biggest loser.

Hahn took the best he got offered.

I like it even less now... can understand them wanting to save the 14 million he's due next year... offer to pay half his salary this year.. or all of it for a top tier prospect. for next year you still save the 14 million... or roughly double what this years #1 signed for.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: whitesox dope on July 31, 2013, 09:17:09 pm
For me I'm not going to get hung up on what could or should've happened ( I was not in the room so some things mentioned may have been discussed)

But I do know that the team has only about $60 mil committed for next year which basically cuts this year's payroll almost in half. So that is a whole lot of flexibility. Now if they could've gotten rid of dunn's salary
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on August 01, 2013, 08:25:05 am
I was hoping we dumped more than Peavy. Count me disappointed
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on August 01, 2013, 08:43:09 am
The good news is that with how crappy the guys are that we're trying to dump, they're sure to clear waivers, thus clearing way for them to be traded.

There's still more (or less??) hope.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 01, 2013, 08:47:37 am
50M for Free Agency would be nice. That is several good players, do not have to get the most expensive guys, just guys better than, say Keppinger?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on August 01, 2013, 12:16:11 pm
just guys better than, say Keppinger?

Somewhere, several months back, I told you guys not to underestimate the Sox' biggest off-season move to land this guy.  Nostra-friggin-damus.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 01, 2013, 01:27:08 pm
If brewers can get a guy like delmonico for f-rod... we aught to be able to get something better then avisail garcia for Peavy.

The past few days Twitter was loaded with reports of how Hahn's asking price for Peavy was extremely high and there were those bogus leaks of teams being out on Peavy in order to drive the price down. One thing I kept thinking through all that was how other GM's are viewing Hahn. He's a rookie GM and the others thought if they play chicken the rookie will cave.

Hahn may have caved a bit with Peavy, who knows, but I wonder if the other deals weren't made because he had to show the other GM's that he means business and can play hardball with the rest of them. If so, he may have set a good tone by telling other teams he won't get bullied into making bad deals.

Epstein is said to have ice in his veins and is extremely patient so he will not back down from the price he sets for his players. Other Gm's know that and they cave to him. But how do they know that? From experience. So hopefully Hahn will be taken seriously going forward.

Of course, everything I just said may not be even close to the way things played out.....just speculating.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 01, 2013, 02:32:51 pm
That would be ideal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 01, 2013, 02:54:05 pm
Lets compare the Garza deal to the Peavy deal...

I'd say that Hahn flinched way to soon.

Both starters have had injury issues... Peavy is the better pitcher... and under contract for a additional year where he isnt making an obscene amt.

Why was our return that much lower?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 01, 2013, 08:24:11 pm
The way this org handles pitchers, I say we draft damn near all pitchers every year, we can trade young ones for proven hitters or sign hitters via FA, but not pitchers, we develop a shitload of them. That would be part of my plan.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 06, 2013, 06:29:21 pm
I'll admit i dont know much at all about the two young pitchers we got back...

Cubs got CJ Edwards and it seems PTBNL might be Neil Ramirez... i hope Hahn doesnt have KW's propensity for trading vets away at a discount.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 09, 2013, 10:47:46 am
Dunn clears waivers:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/adam-dunn-clears-waivers.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 11:38:35 am
The posturing is underway; who will blink first?


FRIDAY: A source involved in the trade talks between the two sides told Jim Bowden of ESPN and MLB Network Radio that the chances of a deal are "smaller than a bread basket."
 
THURSDAY, 4:51pm: A trade is unlikely to be reached, writes MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. Prior to the deadline, the White Sox were interested in lefty Martin Perez, right-hander Luke Jackson and infielder Rougned Odor, and the Rangers aren't keen on giving up those players in a trade for Rios.



http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/unknown-team-claims-alex-rios-on-waivers.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on August 09, 2013, 11:42:42 am
Rougned Odor

Gotta get this guy.  He'll fit in nicely with Cleuluis Rondon.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 09, 2013, 11:56:04 am
Rougned Odor

BlackSox was excellent in that band. GWAR cover band if I recall.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 09, 2013, 12:18:58 pm
Rougned Odor

How the hell do you pronounce that first name. Looks like Rough Neck almost. Cripes, Harry would have **** a cow.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 09, 2013, 12:57:29 pm
I'm assuming you're saying Harry would have a Spotted Cow. And it wouldn't be a bad choice...although I'd predict he'd have more than one.

I think he'd stick with Bud though...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 09, 2013, 01:04:31 pm
Rios has been traded to the Rangers. Dan Hayes at first reported that the Sox received Leury Garcia in the trade, now says:

Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN  1m 
Cancel that on Leury Garcia. Was told will be a player to be named or cash. #WhiteSox #rangers


Either way, HE GONE.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 09, 2013, 01:07:06 pm
cripes, yet another PTBNL, Mr Hahn may have a nickname very soon.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 09, 2013, 01:11:02 pm
Jon Heyman confirms that it's a PTBNL, and adds that the White Sox are sending $1MM to the Rangers in the deal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 09, 2013, 01:12:39 pm
It would appear that the Avisail Garcia era has arrived.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 09, 2013, 01:42:12 pm
cant be upset about not getting much... rios was no Peavy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 09, 2013, 01:59:15 pm
All about Leury

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/texas-rangers/headlines/20130120-rangers-prospect-primer-can-leury-garcia-become-a-super-utility-man-in-2013.ece

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 02:00:41 pm

https://twitter.com/scottmerkin


Scott Merkin‏@scottmerkin
Again, reshaping not rebuilding: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130808&content_id=56340476&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws …

 

Scott Merkin‏@scottmerkin
Garcia is on his way to Chicago. Hoping to start him in Game 2


Scott Merkin‏@scottmerkin
Hahn says money will be re-invested, starting with the Draft and international spending: first two line items on the budget so to speak


Scott Merkin‏@scottmerkin
Rangers giving up Garcia for Rios http://wp.me/p1rXwL-8WN5  via @Sullivan_Ranger



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 02:02:14 pm
http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/2013/08/09/rangers-giving-up-garcia-for-rios/

Rangers giving up Garcia for Rios


The player is expected to go to the White Sox is infielder Leury Garcia. The deal came together about ten minutes before the Rangers claim on Rios was to expire after it seemed like nothing would happen.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 02:05:32 pm
This guy is worth $1 million?

http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/89009
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 09, 2013, 02:06:58 pm
cant be upset about not getting much... rios was no Peavy.


plus the White Sox gave up absolutely nothing when they claimed Rios on waivers 4 years ago. 

Would have liked to get LHH 3B Joey Gallo (former HS teammate of Hunnie's sons at Bishop Gorman HS)  for him but any halfway decent prospect is fine for all the salary relief the Sox get in the deal.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 02:20:57 pm
Lifted from a SoxTalk post:


MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan reports that the Rangers will send Leury Garcia to the White Sox in the Alex Rios deal.
They're announcing it as a player to be named later now only so Garcia doesn't have to pass through waivers. Garcia has some speed and should have a future as a utility player, but he's only a career .261/.310/.347 hitter in the minors, so the Rangers didn't give up much. Aug 9 - 2:33 PM


Per Rotoworld
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 02:24:20 pm
More from S-T:


Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN
Here's rundown on Leury Garcia: 22, plays 2B, SS, 3B; has 80 speed and a 70 arm; glove can handle SS; has 155 SBs in 6 minor league seasons.

Leury Garcia (SS)
Age PA H 2B HR BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG wOBA
21 416 110 12 2 22 79 31 .292 .337 .398 .329

Yet another up-the-middle talent, Garcia’s ceiling is a little below that of his fellow prospects found higher on this list. With that said, a strong showing from 2012 could help him make a legitimate push for a 25-man roster spot in 2013. Although he’s too aggressive for his own good — just 22 walks in 100 games — and has below-average power potential, Garcia hit .292 at Double-A in 2012 as a 21-year-old.

He then got the rare opportunity as a prospect to play regularly in the veteran-laden Dominican Winter League and showed the ability to handle both shortstop and center field. A contact I spoke with said Garcia could potential give big league manager Ron Washington a lot of options. “He’s taken a big jump in winter ball….,” the source told me. “There aren’t a lot of guys that can play both shortstop and center field. He had a tremendous offseason.”

With Elvis Andrus and Jurickson Profar ahead of him, Garcia has moved around the field a bit and can also play second base and third base. The contact I spoke with called him a legitimate shortstop who has the ability to play regularly with plus speed at the big league level. The feeling is he’s underrated because the organization has been aggressive with his development. “He’s always played a level above where, perhaps, he should have.” If Garcia doesn’t break camp with the Rangers, he should head to Triple-A where he’ll continue to polish his defensive repertoire while also learning to become more patient at the plate.

This is from Fangraphs from Feb 2013 Rated #15 Rangers prospect at that time. Olt was #2 Leonys Martin #4 . The guy I was hoping for ,Sardinas ,was #5 .http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/texas-rangers-top-15-prospects-2012-13/


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2013, 02:25:07 pm
Okay, so despite the weak bat and low walks, maybe is worth a million to take a chance on.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 09, 2013, 02:28:11 pm
IS Leury related to Anisval?

Must be, with those strange first names
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 09, 2013, 02:32:40 pm
Just say no to Joey Gallo, cripes Andy, the guy will K 250 times a year by time he gets to majors, which he likely will not.

This Garcia, the SS, might not be so bad. Sounds like a good arm and lots of speed. Something to work with anyway.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 09, 2013, 02:34:26 pm
Have we acquired Jerry yet?

He hits about as well...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 09, 2013, 02:45:45 pm
Just say no to Joey Gallo, cripes Andy, the guy will K 250 times a year by time he gets to majors, which he likely will not.

This Garcia, the SS, might not be so bad. Sounds like a good arm and lots of speed. Something to work with anyway.

somebody willl have to replace Dunn as our high strikeout 6'5" lefty after next season.  Might as well be Joey Gallo as it isn't going to be Keon Barnum.  ;D

Plus he's only 19 years old.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 09, 2013, 03:16:09 pm

It'll be interesting to see if Alex Rios hustles to report in time to play for the Rangers tonight in Houston.  Or will he take up to the 48 hours allowed to him in the collective bargaining agreement.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 09, 2013, 03:31:29 pm
Some interesting words about Leury by Ranger Fans

McLarenSteve 37 minutes ago
Whoever this Leury Garcia fellow is must be some stud if the Sox are happy with getting only him for Rios and cash.


    
HopperTex 3 minutes agoin reply to McLarenSteve
He has a really good upside! He just needs new scenery and a club where he fits the needs of a team growing into a future contender, so IMO the Sox are a good fit! Good luck to Leury


    
CWS1fanHawaii 24 minutes agoin reply to McLarenSteve
 Leury Garcia stats don't look great, in fact below average and also gets a lot of K's with no power this sounds like a salary dump. All that talk from the Sox management about trying to get 2 pitchers and a top INF. prospects from the Rangers turns out to be another bust traded for the Sox, at least that's what it looks like at this time.

    
wetfeet 19 minutes agoin reply to CWS1fanHawaii
Garcia is very good at defense  and is a great utility guy, the RANGERS have several guys like Garcia. He was blocked by at lest 2 players filling the same spot.

    
the_real_poss_rld 25 minutes agoin reply to McLarenSteve
Not really, but Garcia is a very good defensive shortstop with potential to be a great defensive player. He is young, has range, speed, a plus arm, and potential to get better offensively too.

    
Ruffknuckles 26 minutes agoin reply to McLarenSteve
He's got a high upside but will more than likely be a very serviceable SS.  Rangers have no room for him in the infield.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 09, 2013, 04:50:06 pm
sounds about right. another bust trade for the wsox.

We just dont ever get value for our vets...

Cubs get a much better return on a lessor pitcher in garza...

Rios + cash brings us a maybe utility player...

why are they trying this asinine crap with "retooling"... just bloody rebuild for real.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 09, 2013, 05:34:32 pm
sounds about right. another bust trade for the wsox.

We just dont ever get value for our vets...

Cubs get a much better return on a lessor pitcher in garza...

Rios + cash brings us a maybe utility player...

why are they trying this asinine crap with "retooling"... just bloody rebuild for real.

So probably know-nothing Ranger fans commenting on the web about the Rios trade makes this a sure bust trade for the White Sox?  Please.

You're guaranteeing that two to fours years from now the Cubs' haul for Garza will be better MLB players than Avisail Garcia and the three minor leaguers the Sox got for Peavy?

You've already written off Avisail Garcia as part of 'the bag of trash' you've claimed on the BBF Hahn got for Peavy?

So, Carnac the Magnificent, maybe some MLB team should hire you as a talent evaluator.  You're never satisfied.  You complain the White Sox don't spend enough on the draft and international talent so they trade away four high priced 32-36 year old players with histories of injury or lackadaisical play to free up tens of millions of dollars in future salary commitments and Hahn says the savings will used for next year's draft & international signees.  Has 'Gordon' from the old Trib Board taken over your body? 

Will it work out?  Who knows but I'm not willing to pronounce it a complete failure immediately like you are.

None of us are happy with this team this year, but most of us are willing to wait and see what happens with the prospects Hahn acquired before we write it off as a 'bag of trash'.  If you can't wait,  you can always take a sabbatical from White Sox fandom.  There's a team just a few miles from you that you can follow instead of the White Sox.  Plenty of good seats available on their bandwagon as they're a team that has the 3rd best record on the AL but is #29 out of 30 in MLB attendance.  Just be sure to remember to bring a cow bell with you to the Trop.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 09, 2013, 08:24:01 pm
TL;DR.

lets give up this bullshit about retooling. rebuild for real.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 09, 2013, 09:00:59 pm
TL;DR.


FU

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 09, 2013, 11:18:53 pm
What is "FU" in internet slang? "Phuck you"?

That doesn't strike me as terribly creative. I mean, really. Bone up tighter on your ripostes.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 10, 2013, 08:21:55 am
Leury Garcia info I stole off the FutureSox forum

Leury Garcia, 2B/SS

Age: 21

2012 stats: Hit .292/.337/.398 with two homers and 31 stolen bases for double-A Frisco

Scouting report: Speed and defense are Garcia’s calling cards. Armed with excellent range and a cannon attached to his right shoulder, Garcia is probably the best defensive middle infielder in the Rangers’ system, which is saying something. He also reined in his errors last season, committing a career-low 16 while playing four different positions in double-A.

His plus speed plays extremely well on the base paths, where he’s stolen 51, 30 and 31 bases in the last three seasons. But the trouble for Garcia has always been getting on. Though he had a career-best .292 average in 2012, that figures to be about as good as it gets for Garcia, and he doesn’t offer the sort of plate discipline to make up for it with a high walk rate. And as you’d expect from a defensive middle infielder, he doesn’t offer much power, despite a reputation for swinging out of his shoes.

Notable: At 21, Garcia is already a veteran of sorts, having spent five seasons working his way slowly up the Rangers’ farm system. His bat has always been the big question – Garcia posted an OPS of .529 as a 17-year-old in rookie ball, and followed with a .574 OPS in the Sally League the next year – but the little Dominican has steadily improved his offense to the point where it no longer seems to be the thing that will keep him from ever getting to the big leagues. It might, however, be the thing that keeps him from ever being an everyday player.

In a lot of ways, 2012 was a banner year for Garcia. His .734 OPS was easily a career high, and it was a positive sign that he was able to make the crucial leap to double-A with so much success. The Rangers also toyed with Garcia at a number of defensive positions for the first time in his career. Heading into the season, Garcia had played 318 of his 319 career appearances at shortstop. But in 2012, Garcia had 39 starts at SS, 57 at second base, four in center field and four in left field. And though he didn’t play third base at all, he’s got the arm strength to do it should he have to. Part of Garcia’s constant moving had to do with the fact that he spent the season playing alongside Jurickson Profar, who took most of the reps at shortstop, but it was also likely a clue to the Rangers’ future plans for Garcia.

At 5-foot-7, 153 pounds, without much power or plate discipline, he doesn’t seem like all that likely of a candidate to finish with a 15-year career as a big league regular. But his versatility in the field and speed on the bases make Garcia a perfect candidate to be a super utility man, filling in across the diamond and subbing as a pinch-runner late in games.

Future role: With plus defense to offer at a number of position and plenty of speed to spare, Garcia seems like a perfect candidate to be a utility man for the Rangers in 2013. The biggest questions will be how his bat holds up against big league pitching during spring training, and whether Ron Washington could learn to trust a 22-year-old who’s never played above double-A ball. You could wonder if bringing Garcia up to spend 100+ games on the bench will stunt his development, and it probably would, but the Rangers might think it’s worth it if they don’t view Garcia’s ultimate upside as an everyday player, anyway. Regardless of whether Garcia starts the year with the big league club, he should at least earn a cup of coffee at some point in 2013, and the Rangers just might have a do-it-all utility man under team control for at least the next six years.

ETA: 2013
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 10, 2013, 08:24:10 am
Cubs get a much better return on a lessor pitcher in garza...

Well, they have a front office that is respected. Hahn has to prove himself still.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 10, 2013, 09:00:09 am
Cubs always think they have great prospects, how many have panned out. My guess is they did not get as much for Garza as one might think.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 10, 2013, 02:02:06 pm
msf -

I'm not sure Leury Garcia can be the PTBNL in the Rios deal.  IIRC, a PTBNL in a trade occurring after the June 30 deadline can't be a player that has played in a MLB game in the same season for the club who's trading him unless that player cleared waivers or the team he's being traded to was the team that was awarded his waiver claim.  Since Garcia played 25 games this season for Texas, he wouldn't qualify as a PTBNL.  Unless those trade restrictions were eliminated in the latest CBA (?)

Not saying that the White Sox & Rangers can't circumvent those restrictions (if they're still in effect) by finalizing the deal after the season by accepting another minor leaguer who doesn't play in MLB for Texas in 2013 and then shortly  later trading that player back to Texas for Leury Garcia.  The White Sox could also accept a cash payment in lieu of the PTBNL from the Rangers to complete the Rios trade and then send cash back to the Rangers for Leury Garcia which would technically be considered a different transaction.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 10, 2013, 02:09:46 pm
Cubs get a much better return on a lessor pitcher in garza...

Well, they have a front office that is respected. Hahn has to prove himself still.

I prefer to wait until those prospects actually play in the majors before one decides who got the 'better return.'


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 10, 2013, 02:12:55 pm
Cubs always think they have great prospects, how many have panned out. My guess is they did not get as much for Garza as one might think.

+1

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 12, 2013, 08:50:20 am
Appears Leury Garcia is the player we get for Rios. Andy, they must have changed the rule you quoted.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on August 12, 2013, 10:34:52 am
Speed and defense are Garcia’s calling cards.

This makes Loveland really really happy! 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 12, 2013, 11:18:20 am
Dan Hayes weighs in:

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox-talk/hahn-has-white-sox-headed-right-direction
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 12, 2013, 03:35:25 pm
Cubs always think they have great prospects, how many have panned out.

While I agree with this in hindsight, they do have quite a bit of prospects who look to be really good. And we'd be very excited if they were in our system.

The Sox aren't in that bad of a position if they spend all their savings adequately.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 12, 2013, 05:42:33 pm

Paulie's replacement for the 2015 season?



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Jose Dariel Abreu Will Become One of Most Sought After Free Agents This Winter

Are you ready for another bidding war?

Ben Badler of Baseball America reports that slugger Jose Dariel Abreu has defected from Cuba and will be attempting to sign with a Major League Baseball team. Abreu is a massive player—6'3'' and 250 pounds—who plays first base and could also be a designated hitter, should he sign with a team in the American League.

Badler writes that it could be a while until he’s able to sign:

    The process could still take several months. Abreu will have to establish residency in another country, have Major League Baseball declare him a free agent and the U.S. government’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFCA) clear him to sign, but interest in Abreu should be fierce and should have a major impact on this offseason’s free agent market.

Abreu has drawn comparisons to Oakland Athletics star Yoenis Cespedes, but he could potentially have more power than the outfielder. Badler notes that he has “tremendous raw power to all fields.” He hit 13 home runs and had a .837 slugging percentage in 42 games during his season in Cuba, per the report.

While playing for Cuba in the 2013 World Baseball Classic, Abreu was a monster at the plate. In six games, he hit .360/.385/.760 with three home runs, six runs and nine RBI. He finished the international tournament with the second-most total bases of any player, according to the official website for the World Baseball Classic.

read more:   http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1735273-jose-dariel-abreu-will-become-one-of-most-sought-after-free-agents-this-winter (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1735273-jose-dariel-abreu-will-become-one-of-most-sought-after-free-agents-this-winter)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 12, 2013, 05:56:40 pm
Appears Leury Garcia is the player we get for Rios. Andy, they must have changed the rule you quoted.

I think I got the rule wrong.  I wasn't able to find it in the latest CBA posted at mlbplayers.com but doing a google seach I found reference to the PTBNL not being able to play in the same league (as the team he's traded to) from the date of the trade until the trade is completed.  Reasoning is the PTBNL wouldn't be tempted to have a negative affect on a game if his present team is in a game or possible post-season race that can help his 'new' team over his present team.  I'm assuming Garcia was named at the time of the Rios trade because he had to go through the waiver claim first which wasn't too hard since the White Sox are team #2 in the waiver claim rotation. As soon as Houston passed on him, the White Sox & Rangers were able to complete the trade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 13, 2013, 10:38:25 am

•The White Sox have signed Tommy Manzella to a minor league contract and assigned him to Double-A Birmingham after he was released by the Blue Jays, according to Chris Cotillo of MLBDailyDish.com. Manzella, 30, was a third-round pick of the Astros in 2005 and ranked among their Top 15 prospects from 2007-09, per Baseball America, largely due to his glove at shortstop. BA repeatedly ranked Manzella as the best defensive infielder in Houston's system, but his bat never caught up. He hit .225/.267/.264 in 282 plate appearances when the Astros gave him the starting job at shortstop in 2010. Manzella, who began 2013 with the Rockies' Triple-A club, is a career .256/.315/.357 hitter in the minors.





http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/white-sox-sign-tommy-manzella.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on August 13, 2013, 10:44:17 am
Loveland just keeps getting happier.  Show me the gloves!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 13, 2013, 10:49:33 am
This guy signed with us at the beginning of Aug. last year as well.

He went on to hit .171 the rest of the year at Charlotte.

I suspect this guy is filler, and I wonder what that means for the roster. Maybe a waiver deal for Alexei?
With Garcia and Semien waiting, signing Manzella doesn't make sense. Or is someone hurt?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 13, 2013, 12:46:18 pm
Defensive wizards are great and all (especially after watching this year's defensive debacles) but at some point we need to sign guys who can hit too.

Really hope the Sox go "all in" to sign that Cuban defector, Jose Abreu. They have certainly saved enough money to be able to throw a ton at the guy and still not kill the payroll.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 13, 2013, 02:23:24 pm
Manzella is roster filler with Saladino and Carlos Sanchez both on the DL.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 13, 2013, 03:40:27 pm
OK, that makes sense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 13, 2013, 03:44:18 pm
Paul Konerko has been placed on waivers, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  The White Sox slugger can say no to any deal thanks to his ten-and-five rights and is likely to clear waivers.
 
The 37-year-old is owed roughly $3.25MM for the remainder of the season.  Konerko owns a slash line of .243/.306/.359 with nine homers in 87 games this season, a significant dropoff from his usual production.
 
It's possible that this will be Konerko's final go-round as he is on an expiring contract, dealing with back issues, and has stated that he doesn't want to stay in the game "just to chase some numbers."


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/paul-konerko-placed-on-waivers.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 13, 2013, 03:45:40 pm
The White Sox have released Tyler Greene from Triple-A Charlotte, according to Knights director of PR and media relations Tommy Viola (Twitter link).
 
Greene, who turns 30 on Saturday, spent 22 games with the Sox earlier this season, batting .222/.263/.352 with one homer. He appeared exclusively at second base for the White Sox, though he has significant big league experience at shortstop and has also tallied 101 Major League innings at third base. He had a .649 OPS with the Knights this season prior to his release.
 
Greene was released by the Astros this Spring, a mildly surprising move given the power he showed in Houston last season. After being acquired from the Cardinals on Aug. 9, Greene hit .246/.278/.460 with seven homers over 39 games for the Astros. The former first-round pick is a lifetime .224/.289/.356 hitter in parts of five big league seasons with the Cardinals, Astros and White Sox.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/08/white-sox-release-tyler-greene.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 13, 2013, 03:47:49 pm
I think that is the move I was looking for. Just seemed odd they would add Manzella and not have a corresponding move to make room for him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 13, 2013, 04:19:31 pm
Manzella came aboard when they put Sanchez on DL. Greene got cut and they activated Gallagher, the OF.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on August 16, 2013, 08:07:35 am
Quote
Really hope the Sox go "all in" to sign that Cuban defector, Jose Abreu. They have certainly saved enough money to be able to throw a ton at the guy and still not kill the payroll.

That's a move I could get excited about.

So far, Hahn rhymes with yawn.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 16, 2013, 04:36:33 pm

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Hahn breaks down process behind Peavy deal
White Sox GM talks details of three-team trade that netted Garcia from Tigers


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 10/16/2013 1:49 P.M. ET


CHICAGO -- In regard to the July 30 trade involving Jake Peavy, the Tigers and the Red Sox, White Sox general manager Rick Hahn has an ideal theory as to how that complicated maneuver eventually plays out.

"Hopefully five years from now, we look back and say there are plenty of rings to go around," Hahn said.

Hahn might be stretching the truth with that statement.

Clearly, he would like to have five White Sox World Series titles five years from now. But the underlying intention of his statement was illustrating a move that worked well for all sides involved.

During a recent interview with MLB.com, Hahn spoke of the process to execute a deal that sent the right-hander to Boston, shortstop Jose Iglesias to the Tigers and outfielder Avisail Garcia, along with three Minor Leaguers, to the White Sox. Hahn provided insight into the intricacies needed in making the first major step of the White Sox reshaping process a reality.

The prelude

Peavy allowed six runs on seven hits over 2 1/3 innings during a start at Safeco Field on June 4 and clearly didn't have close to his best stuff. That start followed a four-inning loss at Wrigley Field on May 30, where Peavy yielded a grand slam to opposing pitcher Travis Wood. A major part of the reason for Peavy's struggles was a fractured rib on his left side that kept him out of big league action until July 20.

During that extended absence, it became clear the 2013 White Sox would be sellers. A handful of clubs contacted the White Sox even before Peavy began throwing off the mound, just checking in, expressing interest and wanting to get a sense of timing.

Medical records were shared fairly early on with a handful of teams that were a little more aggressive and seemed to be a little more interested, as well as possessing a possible fit from the White Sox side, according to Hahn.

"We probably heard from about eight to 10 teams with interest, and from the medical standpoint, we got down to about three," Hahn said. "We knew he was only going to have a couple of starts before the deadline. So we wanted to try to get teams to understand the nature of the freak injury and why it wasn't arm related so they could put it behind them and judge what they saw with their eyes.

"By the time he made his first start," Hahn continued, "every team that was interested was basically in the same spot in saying, 'We have interest in the guy, but we are a little bit in a wait-and-see mode.'"

His return came via a strong six-inning effort against the Braves, followed up by a seven-inning victory against Detroit at home on July 25. To Hahn's surprise, the White Sox heard from a couple of teams for the first time about Peavy after that second start.

"They were at a little bit of a disadvantage in terms of other teams had put in the leg work and were a little more aggressive," Hahn said.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-general-manager-rick-hahn-breaks-down-process-behind-peavy-deal?ymd=20131016&content_id=63021398&vkey=news_cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/white-sox-general-manager-rick-hahn-breaks-down-process-behind-peavy-deal?ymd=20131016&content_id=63021398&vkey=news_cws)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 16, 2013, 08:42:28 pm
Thanks, that was a good read.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 17, 2013, 10:02:45 pm

lsounds like the White Sox have found a long term replacement for Paulie:


(http://www.trbimg.com/img-52606061/turbine/chi-white-sox-jose-abreu-20131017-001/525)

White Sox to sign Cuba's Jose Abreu

Updated Oct 17, 2013 10:16 PM ET
 
The Chicago White Sox are finalizing an agreement with Cuban defector Jose Abreu on a six-year, $68 million contract, FOX Sports' Ken Rosenthal reports.

The deal for Abreu would be the largest first-time contract for an international player in major-league history, Rosenthal reports.

The Astros, Red Sox and White Sox recently had emerged as frontrunners to sign the 26-year-old first baseman, who hit .360 (9-for-25) with three home runs and nine RBI in this year's World Baseball Classic.

Abreu would join the Dodgers' Yasiel Puig and Oakland's Yoenis Cespedes as recent Cuban stars to defect and join the major leagues. Considered a prized international prospect, Abreu was named the Cuban MVP in 2010-11 when he hit .453 with 33 home runs and 93 RBI in just 66 games.

According to MLB.com, Abreu defected from Cuba in August and established residency in Haiti last month, and soon after was declared an MLB free agent.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-white-sox-to-sign-cuban-defector-jose-abreu-six-years-68-million-deal-largest-first-time-international-player-101713 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/chicago-white-sox-to-sign-cuban-defector-jose-abreu-six-years-68-million-deal-largest-first-time-international-player-101713)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 17, 2013, 11:00:36 pm
Looks like we finally have something to talk about.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 17, 2013, 11:09:38 pm
One talent evaluator said Abreu could step into a big league lineup tomorrow and hit .260 with 25 home runs. That's not far from what Cespedes is doing in Oakland this season. Another expressed concern that Abreu looks "confused" against breaking balls and thought he could benefit from a little seasoning in the upper minors. Once Abreu gets the hang of major league pitching, the consensus is that he has the strength to hit 30 homers by accident.

"If you throw him 90-92 [mph] inside, he gets beat a lot," said a scout for a National League club. "I don't think he's going to hit a good hard fastball in. But there's a lot of marginal pitching out there. The No. 1 and 2 starters are going to get him out, but he's going to feast on the 3, 4 and 5 guys. That's where he's going to make his money.

"His swing is thick and sort of stiff. His front arm gets kind of rigid, and it's more a strength swing than a real quick bat. But he's a smart hitter, and he's not just up there swinging out of his butt. He's crafty. I think he'll make the adjustments."


and then there's this:

Abreu is a below-average runner and a base clogger.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/onenationmlb09172013/sizing-cuban-slugger-jose-dariel-abreu
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 18, 2013, 12:13:20 am
One talent evaluator said Abreu could step into a big league lineup tomorrow and hit .260 with 25 home runs. That's not far from what Cespedes is doing in Oakland this season. Another expressed concern that Abreu looks "confused" against breaking balls and thought he could benefit from a little seasoning in the upper minors. Once Abreu gets the hang of major league pitching, the consensus is that he has the strength to hit 30 homers by accident.

"If you throw him 90-92 [mph] inside, he gets beat a lot," said a scout for a National League club. "I don't think he's going to hit a good hard fastball in. But there's a lot of marginal pitching out there. The No. 1 and 2 starters are going to get him out, but he's going to feast on the 3, 4 and 5 guys. That's where he's going to make his money.

"His swing is thick and sort of stiff. His front arm gets kind of rigid, and it's more a strength swing than a real quick bat. But he's a smart hitter, and he's not just up there swinging out of his butt. He's crafty. I think he'll make the adjustments."


and then there's this:

Abreu is a below-average runner and a base clogger.


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/onenationmlb09172013/sizing-cuban-slugger-jose-dariel-abreu


which makes him the appropriate replacement for Konerko.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 18, 2013, 10:12:04 am
More things to read:

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7601600/cuba-jose-abreu-migh-best-offensive-weapon-planet

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/10/18/angi-what-the-abreu-signing-means-for-the-white-sox/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/10/18/spiegel-abreu-a-bold-worthy-risk/

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 19, 2013, 08:07:40 am
Nice pickup. We cannot keep both Dunn and Kong besides this guy. Guessing Pauly is going to have to go.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 19, 2013, 11:16:23 am
They both need to go.

Saw on the local CSN sports show yesterday that supposedly the Sox are going to go after Brian McCann.   As much as I'd hate for them to overpay for a .260 hitter, he does fill two needs (catcher, lefty bat).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 19, 2013, 02:05:45 pm
Well, of course, would be best if both are gone, I agree with that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 22, 2013, 11:01:50 pm
Agree as well to lose both, but why isn't anyone posting the obvious question, we need a veteran lefty hitting catcher to help develop Josh. Why not bring AJ back on a 2 year deal?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 23, 2013, 09:44:38 am
time to move on from AJ.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 23, 2013, 12:18:33 pm
AJ is going to be 37 years old next year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on October 23, 2013, 01:43:30 pm
Brian McCann is supposedly one of our targets in FA.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 23, 2013, 03:16:51 pm
Yankees want McCann badly I have read.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 23, 2013, 03:49:18 pm
Let them have him... i am in the say no to McCann camp.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 23, 2013, 06:21:19 pm
The Red Sox LH catcher is a possible FA I believe.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 23, 2013, 07:12:14 pm
Saltalamacchia is indeed an FA, I believe.   He could be a good option, especially with McCann (supposedly) asking for $100 million.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on October 23, 2013, 08:23:45 pm
Saltalamacchia is indeed an FA, I believe.   He could be a good option, especially with McCann (supposedly) asking for $100 million.

Thanks Blackie, I did not want to try to spell it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 24, 2013, 09:19:54 am
His name always reminds me of Chicken Saltimbocca.   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on October 24, 2013, 09:26:40 am
McCann isn't getting $100 million.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 24, 2013, 07:41:10 pm
I think he will, but if he doesn't it will be very close
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on October 25, 2013, 12:33:13 pm
Saltalamacchia makes me wish Harry Carey was still alive.

"Salatamacklia backwards is...'
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on October 30, 2013, 03:07:07 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/blue-jays-interested-in-gordon-beckham.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 30, 2013, 03:50:55 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/blue-jays-interested-in-gordon-beckham.html

Trading Gordon Beckham & Hector Santiago for Aaron Sanchez & Marcus Stroman would be a bad deal for the White Sox.  The CWS need better position players, not necessarily more pitching prospects.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on October 30, 2013, 03:54:28 pm
Quote
Trading Gordon Beckham & Hector Santiago for Aaron Sanchez & Marcus Stroman would be a bad deal for the White Sox.  The CWS need better position players, not necessarily more pitching prospects.

Agreed.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 30, 2013, 04:22:11 pm
We've been after stroman for a long time it seems.

If they find a taker for Danks... getting those two arms would be nice.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on October 31, 2013, 09:13:34 am
If they can trade John Danks for one or both of those two, I'm perfectly fine with it.
I would not include Beckham.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on October 31, 2013, 10:39:05 am
i think it would be separate trades..

Beckham and Santiago nets those two. JD nets a 2bman from elsewhere
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on October 31, 2013, 12:23:33 pm
The White Sox have exercised their $4MM club option on right-hander Matt Lindstrom, according to MLB.com's Scott Merkin (on Twitter). Lindstrom's option contained a $500K buyout, essentially making this a $3.5MM decision for White Sox GM Rick Hahn and his staff.
 
Lindstrom, who turns 34 in February, was the only option decision that the White Sox had to make this offseason. The veteran flamethrower turned in a 3.12 ERA with 6.8 K/9, 3.4 BB/9 and 55.6 percent ground-ball rate in 60 2/3 innings in 2013. Lindstrom's fastball was once again blistering, checking in with an average velocity of 95 mph.
 
Lindstrom will re-join a relief corps that is fronted by closer Addison Reed and also includes hard-throwing setup man Nate Jones. While the White Sox have a number of internal options, it wouldn't be surprising to see them add at least one more veteran arm for the 2014 season. Their bullpen depth took a hit this season when they traded Matt Thornton to the Red Sox and Jesse Crain to the Rays.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/white-sox-exercise-matt-lindstroms-2014-option.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 06, 2013, 11:45:36 pm
Nats want to acquire another number one starter.

How about Sale and Beckham, for Lucas Giolito, Anthony Rendon, Brian Goodwin, and Danny Espinosa?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 07, 2013, 09:21:24 am
I wouldn't touch Espinosa. I also wouldn't trade Sale.

I'd part with Beckham in a smaller deal for two prospects, but only because we have a couple quality young infield guys like Semien that I think can adequately replace him.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 07, 2013, 11:45:32 am
No way I trade Sale at this point. Thus far he is outlasting the critics of his delivery.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 07, 2013, 09:58:38 pm
I don't want to trade Sale either, but everyone and everything has a price. I doubt the Nats would make that trade either. Giolito is their number one prospect, Goodwin their number 3, and Rendon was their number one last year. All three I bet will become stars. ISF is right Espinosa was just a throw in, he is likely done.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 08, 2013, 08:12:11 am
If we were to trade Sale, we'd need to get at least one very proven major leaguer back -- not just "bets" to become stars. Otherwise we could also trade him to the Cubs for half of their top prospects but they'd be getting the star and if the prospects turn out to be just meh, everyone would call for Hahn's head.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on November 08, 2013, 04:08:36 pm
A bird in the hand....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 11, 2013, 09:33:35 am
The reason I would not trade Sale is because he is locked up for a very reasonable price for a long time. Finding an ace pitcher with his price tag is near impossible. Unless you know something is wrong with him, I don't think you can get enough value back to move him.
He is probably the only irreplaceable player on the team. Maybe Avisail Garcia could be considered no-touch as well.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 13, 2013, 08:14:26 am
Speaking of trading Sale:

“There’s a group of guys that we feel are part of our long-term success and having Chris at the front of our rotation we think is a big part of that potential for success,” Hahn said. “Obviously he’s signed for the next six years if we exercise both his options and we fully intend to win within that window. So while we have to not close off any avenues and have to hear other clubs when there is certain valuable commodities, moving him is not something we’re looking to do.”

Even though the White Sox have made it clear they won’t part with Sale or Garcia, it hasn’t stopped other teams from asking. Both players have received considerable interest over the past few months with one GM noting he pushed hard and offered several significant prospects for the two-time All-Star left-hander.
 


http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-open-dealing-almost-anyone
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 13, 2013, 04:33:49 pm
Nothing earth-shattering, in fact rather obvious.  Yet "something(s) to read", nonetheless.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/white-sox-targeting-lefty-bats-have-received-calls-on-pitchers.html

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/white-sox-wont-trade-sale-garcia-quintana-abreu.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 13, 2013, 05:04:23 pm
Nothing earth-shattering, in fact rather obvious.  Yet "something(s) to read", nonetheless.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/white-sox-targeting-lefty-bats-have-received-calls-on-pitchers.html

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/white-sox-wont-trade-sale-garcia-quintana-abreu.html

I liked reading this.

Avisail Garcia, Chris Sale, Jose Quintana, and the newly-acquired Jose Dariel Abreu are off limits, executives told Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 13, 2013, 06:06:15 pm
Q is probably the one of the most under-rated starters in the AL at this point...

Reed is one trade chip we have... hes a young cost controlled closer... He might bring back a couple decent pieces.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 13, 2013, 07:31:01 pm
MSF/Law.. thoughts on draft?

Who we going after with that #3 pick?

Obviously Rodon is out of the ? as he will go #1.

Weak draft to have a high pick.

We took SS high last year. but Turner and Gatewood are two SS's that could go at 3...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 13, 2013, 07:53:13 pm
I've read a few sites stating that this was a very strong draft
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 13, 2013, 08:12:02 pm
imo too many prep players... very few finished products.

Look at a guy like turner... he's going anywhere from 3rd to 14th...

Very top of the draft is shallow... its rodon and the rest...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 13, 2013, 09:30:40 pm
You seem to disagree with a lot of sites that do this for a full time job. Maybe the reason that there are so many possible choices in the top 20 is because the top twenty are mostly strong. Who knows, but just google the 2014 mlb draft strength and you get lots of positives, and no negatives.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 14, 2013, 01:47:53 pm
Question:

Gordon Beckham is 2nd yr arb eligible. He just finished his age 26 season with a 3 yr trend of increasing OPS and OPS+.

Do you keep the faith that he's ready to break out in 2014, or do you encourage Cincy that you'd take Brandon Phillips in exchange for Beckham + an extra contract like Keppinger? Phillips has 4 years remaining at an average of 12.5 mil/yr, and has shown consistent offense at a weak position.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 14, 2013, 06:49:54 pm
Need to wait about 6 mos before thinking who might be #3, waste of time until the next season is over.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on November 15, 2013, 12:48:33 am
Do you keep the faith that he's ready to break out in 2014

I tend to trust Hawk's comparison of Beckham to Konerko in that, once the kid figures out the mental aspect of hitting, it's all going to come together.  Then again, I'm the guy who was convinced that Ross Gload had what it took to be the next John Olerud.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 15, 2013, 10:54:56 am
I'MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM BACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So **** Off!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 15, 2013, 11:23:31 am
Which a-hole gave you the URL to this place?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 15, 2013, 02:57:39 pm
•The White Sox have signed corner infielder Alex Liddi to a minor league contract, Mario Salvini of La Gazzetta dello Sport reports (confirmed by FOX Sports' Jon Paul Morosi).  The Italian-born Liddi was designated for assignment by the Orioles in September and he was outrighted off the team's 40-man roster.  Liddi has a .636 OPS in 188 Major League PA with the Mariners since 2011 and he has posted a .272/.337/.459 slash line in 3734 career PA in the minors.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/minor-moves-fryer-poreda-snyder.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 16, 2013, 12:20:23 pm
Which a-hole gave you the URL to this place?

some effing tea partying butthole
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 16, 2013, 12:21:48 pm
btw, i'm jacked about the Abreu signing.  We have two studs in Garcia and Abreu.  I think we can make a real run soon
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 16, 2013, 02:04:24 pm
Get me a real catcher and real 3B-man, have Danks pitch better, and have Dunn hit closer to his pre-Sox norm... and think we might have something halfway decent.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on November 18, 2013, 11:03:20 am
<wagging finger>  Shoeless, our board dictator strictly prohibits all political references in any thread other than The  World Today.  And he doesn't like it there either. ....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 18, 2013, 10:25:51 pm
<wagging finger>  Shoeless, our board dictator strictly prohibits all political references in any thread other than The  World Today.  And he doesn't like it there either. ....

Ah luv when you wag your finger
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 19, 2013, 09:34:37 am
•The White Sox aren't used to picking as high as third overall in the amateur draft, MLB.com's Scott Merkin writes, but the club is hoping to use the high pick and larger draft bonus pool to fuel GM Rick Hahn's plan to restock the farm system.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20131118&content_id=64013296&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws&tcid=tw_article_64013296
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 19, 2013, 11:01:01 am
the [White Sox are] hoping to use the high pick and larger draft bonus pool to restock the farm system.

Scott Mer-kin, digging deep to bring you the obvious.  :-)


Methinks Method, Et Al will like this hahn quote/plan:

"When you pick in the top five, one of the benefits is a significantly larger bonus pool you are afforded later in the draft.  That actually allows you to do some things up top, as well as potentially reallocating that money a little bit and get higher-costing talent later in the draft . It's not necessarily all going to fall on one kid and this is the No. 3 pick in the country. Instead, it will come down to what's the best way to allocate a fairly significant bonus pool that we've earned for the upcoming draft."
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 19, 2013, 11:16:17 am
Hoping we jump on tre turner early... and go after some HS arms later in the draft that are considered "hard signs"

we did take a SS last year as well though.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 19, 2013, 09:16:18 pm
Tease?

Rick Hahn says that the intensity of trade talks has picked up in the past few days, according to Scott Merkin of MLB.com.  "We well could have something in the next day or it could take through Orlando (Dec. 9-12) when the logjam sort of breaks,” Hahn said.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/al-central-notes-white-sox-konerko-albers-twins.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 26, 2013, 10:07:59 am
•One area where GM Neal Huntington hopes to make a move is at first. Though the club believes that Gaby Sanchez can increase his production against same-handed pitching, he is still in need of a platoon partner to hit righties.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/11/pirates-notes-first-base-furcal-burnett-trade-jones.html

Seems like an opportunity to dump Dunn. He has one year left on his contract, and I'm sure Huntington understands his window to win is limited.
Having Dunn solely against righties would give him some value. He can still offer very good power and a keen batting eye. I wouldn't mind taking Garrett Jones back in a deal either. We need some depth.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 04, 2013, 09:01:15 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/white-sox-to-re-sign-paul-konerko.html


Paul Konerko will return to the White Sox for a 16th season, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter link). Konerko is represented by LSW Baseball.
 
Recent reports indicated that Konerko, who will turn 38 in early March, would inform the White Sox whether or not he wished to return or retire prior to the start of the Winter Meetings. Konerko posted brilliant numbers with the White Sox even in his age-36 season in 2012, batting .298/.371/.486 with 26 homers, but his production fell off the table in 2013. Konerko mustered just a .244/.313/.355 batting line this past season and also missed nearly three weeks with back pain.
 
The White Sox signed Cuban sensation Jose Dariel Abreu to a six-year, $68MM contract, clearly indicating that they view him as their everyday first baseman. As such, Konerko figures to shift into more of a part-time role for the White Sox in 2014, unless they're able to move Adam Dunn in a trade. Konerko is said to be open to a reduced role with the Sox.
 
Originally selected with the No. 13 overall pick by the Dodgers in the 1994 draft, Konerko found himself traded to the Reds and then the White Sox in a span of six months. The move proved to be a good one for Chicago; in his 15 seasons with the White Sox, Konerko is a .283/.359/.495 batter with 427 home runs.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 04, 2013, 12:53:31 pm
Tribune says Konerko will make $2.5 millie, with $1 millie deferred to 2021.

Surprised he signed for that low.   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 04, 2013, 05:07:48 pm
Tribune says Konerko will make $2.5 millie, with $1 millie deferred to 2021.

Surprised he signed for that low.

That's still probably more than he's really worth.  Wished he retired so that 25th spot on the roster can be filled by someone who might contribute more than Konerko probably has left in his tank.   ::Wishing Konerko proves me wrong::


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 04, 2013, 09:13:46 pm
Lets hope he can help some of these new dudes out. Maybe he can contribute in other ways. Hopefully. Was at first hoping this might mean we release Dunn, but likely not.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2013, 09:19:33 am
I find this hard to believe, but interesting:

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/408338958880223233
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2013, 10:08:22 am
Wished he retired so that 25th spot on the roster can be filled by someone who might contribute more than Konerko probably has left in his tank.

I was thinking about that -- his taking away the last roster spot from some young player.  But then again, that last roster spot would probably be some piece of crap, like Tyler Greene.

I am hoping this is a signal that Hahn has found a taker for Adam Dunn.    Not sure it make sense to release him, or to eat significant money; if no one will trade for him, I think you keep him and hope he catches fire by the trade deadline.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2013, 10:10:45 am
RE: Granderson.   I'm not surprised the White Sox have intreest, but probably only at something like 5/$70.  Not sure his price has come down that much.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2013, 10:16:20 am
To me, the bigger question is whether Granderson is worth losing a high second round draft pick.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 05, 2013, 10:57:11 am
He is not... not at his age... esp when they said they want to take some guys that might be hard signs in the draft... that high 2nd pick is perfect spot to snag someone dropping for sign-ability issues.

Granderson will be 33 before the season starts... last year he hit .229/.317/.407   in 60+ games... eeeeeks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 05, 2013, 11:38:23 am
Instead of Granderson... we should see what the yanks want for Gardner... They have Soriano in LF and now Jacoby in CF.

Might be a cheaper/better option for OF help then Granderson.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2013, 01:04:31 pm
That's why I find it hard to believe. Granderson is the antithesis of what we should be looking for.

His agent's other client, Scott Feldman, makes more sense, especially if you believe we'll be trading John Danks.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 05, 2013, 07:14:23 pm
We do need a LH bat. Especially is somehow we move Dunn.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2013, 08:41:52 pm

The White Sox will sign reliever Ronald Belisario to a one-year, $3MM deal, Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune reports. The Dodgers non-tendered Belisario on Monday. MLBTR projected he would make $2.3MM in arbitration, so a salary of $3MM represents a healthy bump over what Belisario's agency, McNamara Baseball Group, might have expected this time last week. The Cubs and Angels also had interest in Belisario, Gonzales writes.

Belisario posted a 3.97 ERA with 6.5 K/9 and 3.7 BB/9 in 2013. In 265 career innings, he has a 3.29 ERA with 7.5 K/9 and 3.6 BB/9. He's known for his plus fastball, which averaged 94.4 MPH in 2013. The White Sox can now control Belisario's rights through 2016, since he can be eligible for arbitration again prior to the 2015 and 2016 seasons.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/white-sox-to-sign-ronald-belisario.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 06, 2013, 07:41:12 am
Ooooo!   I would love Granderson.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 06, 2013, 07:55:04 am
The other thing about Granderson, he is from Chicago correct? I know he went to college at UIC.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 06, 2013, 08:08:31 am
I like the Belisario signing. As long as he is healthy I would expect him to be a good setup man. I liked him better than Lindstrom.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 06, 2013, 08:30:23 am
The other thing about Granderson, he is from Chicago correct?

He is and from what I understand pretty active in the Chicago community still. I have also heard he is one of the nicest guys in baseball and a great influence in the clubhouse.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 06, 2013, 09:08:22 am
I don't like Belisario ahead of Lindstrom, but at 3 mil, he's a good deal.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2013, 11:13:29 am
Granderson to Mets

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/mets-to-sign-curtis-granderson.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 06, 2013, 02:05:07 pm
Drats.  That was short lived....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2013, 07:46:19 am
Would love me some good Head ley

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-could-get-chase-headley-if-they-pay?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 09, 2013, 10:42:22 am
Shoeless, That link crashed my browser twice?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2013, 10:54:03 am
Loveland, in summary:

 - Sox want Headley (Lamar)
 - the Padres want Quintana in return, and Hahn isn't willing to do that
 - Headley is a free agent after this season
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2013, 11:43:12 am
Sox want to send Santiago. but Santiago's trade value is hurt by being on the same team as Q.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 09, 2013, 11:44:19 am
I would do it if Headley were signed to an extension. He's not, so trading Quintana for one year of Headley would be foolish, IMO.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 09, 2013, 11:45:47 am

The White Sox are open to discussing trades for Chris Sale, Jose Quintana and Hector Santiago, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. Morosi notes that Sale, who can be controlled for a whopping six years at just over $55MM, would command significantly more than even David Price could net the Rays. Morosi runs down a list of several reasons as to why it could make sense for the ChiSox to move their ace this offseason. Here are a few more links pertaining to the South Siders...
•Dan Hayes of CSN Chicago spoke to White Sox GM Rick Hahn this morning (Twitter link). Hahn told Hayes that he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't at least listen to offers, but he would need an "unfathomable" return to part with Sale.
•One GM told Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports that he thinks teams are pushing the White Sox to reconsider their unwillingness to part with Sale when asked this morning (Twitter link).
•The White Sox are in the process of trying to bring Juan Uribe back to Chicago, reports David Vassegh of FOX Sports 570 AM Radio in Los Angeles (on Twitter). Uribe would fill a need for the Sox, though as GM Rick Hahn told me at last month's GM Meetings, his team prefers left-handed bats.
The White Sox never got involved on Chicago native Curtis Granderson, tweets Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. The Grandy Man signed a four-year, $60MM deal with the Mets last week.


 http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/white-sox-notes-sale-quintana-santiago-uribe.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2013, 11:48:42 am
"The Grandy Man"?    Groan.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 09, 2013, 03:12:13 pm
Thanks for the summary Gentlemen.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 10, 2013, 07:20:21 am
Hahn better get an All Star back for Sale as well as  solid #3 pitcher.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 10, 2013, 11:02:49 am
from the cubs board

"Trumbo rumors have turned into a potential 3-way deal with the White Sox getting Adam Eaton, DBacks getting Trumbo, and Angels getting Santiago and Skaggs. "

I really hope this is true... eaton would be a nice get.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 10, 2013, 11:33:52 am
I'd rather get a 3B-man than another OFer if we are going to trade away a starter.

What do you like about Eaton?   I haven't seen him much, so all i can go by is stats (he does not have a good WAR).   Just curious.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 10, 2013, 11:50:18 am
speedy good d outfielder... bourjousesque and we could never pry him from the angels. Like the fact he's only 25.

i think eaton would make a fine lead-off hitter. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 10, 2013, 12:03:40 pm
Hmmm.. . DeAsa replacement.   That's why they want Eaton over Trumbo?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 10, 2013, 12:30:30 pm
Pretty much.... and i think getting him for santiago would be quite the coup.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 10, 2013, 12:31:18 pm
new version also has howie kendrick to the whitesox.

Proposed deal would include Trumbo + 2 prospects to #DBacks, Skaggs + Santiago to #Angels, Kendrick + Eaton to #WhiteSox. Not done.


i am guessing both prospects are coming from the WS....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2013, 12:34:42 pm
Disagree. OFs are a dime a dozen. Young LH pitching comes at a premium.

I don't like this at all unless we're getting something more than Eaton. We've been linked to Headley, a bigger deal that brings Headley as well would make more sense. We need a 3B.  Maybe Alexei?

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2013, 12:36:40 pm
Well...if Kendrick is included you have to wonder if Beckham gets moved back to 3B or gets jettisoned in another trade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2013, 12:41:42 pm

12:22pm: The deal is "getting pretty close," a source tells MLB.com's Alden Gonzalez (Twitter link). Though he was discussed in a separate trade with the White Sox and Angels, Kendrick is not part of this deal, Gonzalez adds.
 
12:10pm: USA Today's Bob Nightengale reports that the three teams are optimistic about their chances of finalizing the trade (Twitter link). Meanwhile, Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic agrees with Gilbert's report from below, noting that Arizona would receive one prospect from the Angels and one from the Sox (also on Twitter).



http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/d-backs-white-sox-angels-talking-three-team-deal.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 10, 2013, 02:06:41 pm
Wayne Randazzo ‏@WayneRandazzo  3h 
Adam Eaton is very smart, can fly, great glove, surprising power. Rick Hahn nails this trade if it happens. #WhiteSox

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 10, 2013, 02:36:23 pm
Sounds like the deal is done.   Private Santiago goes, we get Eaton.      Additional PTBNLs to be named after Thursday's Rule V Draft.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 10, 2013, 04:24:36 pm
Excellent deal. Eaton has  chance to really shine in a lead-off role... he isnt a fa til after 2018.

Wonder if this means we are no longer looking to move JD?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2013, 04:41:29 pm
Ugh. Eaton better pan out. Otherwise I think Santiago is going to make us regret this one.

I'm also going to assume this means DeAza is on his way out, which is too bad. I consider him to be an asset.
A replacement for Viciedo would have been better.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 10, 2013, 04:51:39 pm


Chicago Tribune story on the deal:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-hector-santiago-20131210,0,7483455.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-hector-santiago-20131210,0,7483455.story)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2013, 04:57:16 pm
Well, Eaton's Twitter handle is @AdamSpankyEaton, so I feel a little better. Anyone who uses the word "Spanky" gets bonus points from me.

I'd still rather it was Danks that was gone.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 10, 2013, 05:09:24 pm
I trust Method.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 10, 2013, 06:12:39 pm
Trib story says Brandon Jacobs will be the PTBNL we give up, unless he gets selected in the Rule V draft.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 10, 2013, 06:16:06 pm
LH hitter that can lead off and has had amazing OBP in the minors. Is he fast enough to play CF, that is the question.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 10, 2013, 06:18:43 pm
Oh, we also owe the DBacks a player to be named later. Likely one of our minor league outfielders I guess. They can have any of Mitchell, Thompson, Walker or Jacobs. I could care less. I would rather have the type of OF that it appears Hahn wants.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2013, 06:33:20 pm

6:06pm: The other Diamondbacks player to be named will likely be Brandon Jacobs, MLB.com's Jim Callis suggests (via Twitter). John Gambadoro of Sports 620 KTAR in Phoenix was the first to suggest Jacobs with the likely PTBNL. Jacobs, 23, came to the White Sox from the Red Sox in the Matt Thornton deal in July. The outfielder hit .244/.320/.407 for three teams at Class A+ and Double-A in 2013


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/d-backs-to-acquire-trumbo-in-three-team-trade-with-angels-white-sox.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 10, 2013, 06:44:55 pm
No big loss in Jacobs...

MSf... i think he can do CF... would love to see them move dayan and move de aza to left.

deaza/eaton/garcia would work well.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2013, 07:57:05 pm
That's what I'm thinking. Unfortunately, Viciedo's power potential is a scarce commodity, which is why Arizona traded for Trumbo in the first place, so I think Viciedo is staying in LF.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 10, 2013, 08:43:52 pm
Dayan and DeAza can form a decent platoon in left, with Kong and Dunn platooning at DH. Now we got to find a 3B (or 2B) and catcher.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 11, 2013, 07:53:18 am
Excellent deal. Eaton has  chance to really shine in a lead-off role... he isnt a fa til after 2018.

Wonder if this means we are no longer looking to move JD?

Agree.  I liked Santiago alot but he didn't seem to get better.  Great stuff.  Lots of negativity on the airwaves this morning but sheesh,  Garcia, Abreu and Eaton and peeps are saying the White Sox haven't done much.  Good lord, lets give Ellsbury 150 mil.  Hahn is on the right track. Just keep Kenny away
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 11, 2013, 07:54:28 am
Me thinks they will move Dunn.  Cripes, if WS eat about 1/2 of the contract, Dunn is a steal at today's prices. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 11, 2013, 08:00:33 am
My hope is they move Dunn, even if we just release him, let Viciedo DH. However, that would remove another LH bat from lineup. Outfield of DeAza, Eaton and Garcia just might save some runs.

Metodo, just how fast is this Eaton guy. Only 7 steals?? I read that his defense is what lost him the job. But they also blamed it on a lingering injury.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 11, 2013, 09:00:35 am
He was blocked by Pollock. Arizona already had their CF of the future.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 11, 2013, 09:58:00 am
He was blocked by Pollock. Arizona already had their CF of the future.

Not really blocked by Pollack. He had the job, they are giving it to Pollack after this guy did not impress enough.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 11, 2013, 12:59:56 pm
he stole 46 across 3 lvls in 2012.... 42 over 3 in 2011.

Gibson doesnt really give him the green light in AZ... if they let him run he should end up with 25-30 a year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 11, 2013, 01:02:11 pm
I'd disagree MSF. Pollock was ahead of him in the organization, which is why they were able to leverage him in a trade.

This is a pretty good scouting report on Eaton. Best I've found so far, anyway:

http://www.azsnakepit.com/2012/6/3/3061030/future-expectations-adam-eaton-of
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 11, 2013, 03:52:07 pm
I'd disagree MSF. Pollock was ahead of him in the organization, which is why they were able to leverage him in a trade.

This is a pretty good scouting report on Eaton. Best I've found so far, anyway:

http://www.azsnakepit.com/2012/6/3/3061030/future-expectations-adam-eaton-of




from the above link:

Quote

If you're looking for major league comps you might be thinking Kenny Lofton or Juan Pierre. Eaton does have the speed to steal some bases but he's not quite in their league.



Excellent trade if he ends up being the next Kenny Lofton.   Bad move if he's the next Juan Pierre.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 11, 2013, 06:03:30 pm
We really didnt give up much to get him... i think his OBP and speed are needed in our lineup.

Santiago really wasnt as good a pitcher as his ERA makes it appear.. his FIP is 4.4 for 2013,he walks more then 4 batters per 9. he had a lot of luck keeping the ball in the park last year.

I love the deal as its the type of OFer we should have been going after for years and we gave up very little to get him.

Still have hope for dunn to be moved while eating salary, and perhaps toronto would like to be really nice and trade us Sanchez for JD.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 11, 2013, 07:58:04 pm
We really didnt give up much to get him... i think his OBP and speed are needed in our lineup.

Santiago really wasnt as good a pitcher as his ERA makes it appear.. his FIP is 4.4 for 2013,he walks more then 4 batters per 9. he had a lot of luck keeping the ball in the park last year.

I love the deal as its the type of OFer we should have been going after for years and we gave up very little to get him.

Still have hope for dunn to be moved while eating salary, and perhaps toronto would like to be really nice and trade us Sanchez for JD.

I love seeing a high quality OBP for a change. Tired of our low OBP high K org of late. Just eat the money and release Dunn. No one will ever take him off our hands.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 11, 2013, 08:04:13 pm
So you would rather have a .245 Kong with 12 homers, than a .205 Dunn with 39 dingers? I'm not high on Dunn but I prefer him to Kong. We don't have much LH hitting and from end of May to early September we saw a Dunn that averaged over .270 with super high OBP. Kong stunk all year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 11, 2013, 08:16:55 pm
So you would rather have a .245 Kong with 12 homers, than a .205 Dunn with 39 dingers? I'm not high on Dunn but I prefer him to Kong. We don't have much LH hitting and from end of May to early September we saw a Dunn that averaged over .270 with super high OBP. Kong stunk all year.


Actually, Konerko hasn't been good for the last year and a half as his  2012 post-All Star game numbers dropped considerably from his 2012 pre-All Star game numbers.

Hope I'm wrong but I think Paulie's toast as a player and this $2.5 million deal is both a combination of payback for presenting the 2005 World Series winning game ball to Reinsdorf and White Sox management fearing some sort of backlash from Konerko supporters if they made the decision to let him go while Paulie still wanted to play another year..




Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 12, 2013, 09:19:23 am
So you would rather have a .245 Kong with 12 homers, than a .205 Dunn with 39 dingers? I'm not high on Dunn but I prefer him to Kong. We don't have much LH hitting and from end of May to early September we saw a Dunn that averaged over .270 with super high OBP. Kong stunk all year.

When did I say I wanted Kong at DH, I want Viciedo there, with De Aza moving to LF.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 12, 2013, 09:24:23 am
When you look at the value the DBacks put on Trumbo, Dunn's numbers look very good. Right now it looks like he and Konerko platoon at DH, with both giving the occasional rest to Abreu.

Santiago may walk alot of guys, but that's common for young pitchers. I think he'll cut that rate down. I just hate that we gave up young players to get a young player. Would rather we had found a way to deal Danks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 12, 2013, 09:28:34 am
I guess we got our catcher....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-rule-5-draft-20131212,0,3188197.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 12, 2013, 09:33:19 am

The White Sox’s Alejandro De Aza has drawn the Giants’ interest, but they don’t appear willing to give up much for him.


http://www.csnbayarea.com/giants/franklin-gutierrez-among-outfield-names-giants-short-list
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 12, 2013, 11:34:37 am
My three cents:

Dunn:  Might as well keep him and see if we get lucky and he actually hits well and is actually tradeable in July.     If he sucks, you can always release him in June.

RE Rule V Catcher:   weird that they think a 24-year old A ball guy can stick on a major league roster, but I guess the risk is low.

De Aza:  they don’t appear willing to give up much for him     What a shock!   :-)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on December 12, 2013, 01:36:53 pm
Just a few random thoughts:

I think Konerko's production has suffered from injuries more than anything else over the past 1.5 years.  I think he can still be a useful hitter if he can keep from getting dinged up.

I'd like to see Beckham back at 3B.  Funny that the Sox haven't been able to fill that position since they moved him out of there (okay, I guess Youk was decent there).

I'll be pi$sed if they move Danks after they gave him the contract that should have been used to keep Buehrle in a Sox uniform.

Don't underestimate the addition of Keppinger to this team....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 12, 2013, 03:20:49 pm
Danks got no where near the money MB got from Miami.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on December 12, 2013, 03:51:15 pm
Pretty sure I read back then that Buehrle would've taken a hometown discount but was told by Williams that they weren't even going to make him an offer.  If that was the case, I don't think that the comparison between the $ amount of their current salaries works as well as it normally would.  My point was that if they hadn't ponied up to sign Danks long-term, would they have had the budget to keep Buehrle?  Seems like the decision was made to lock up Danks and let Buehrle sign elsewhere.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 12, 2013, 03:52:10 pm
Danks got no where near the money MB got from Miami.

Not true.  Danks' contract was for 5 years / $65 million.     Buehrle's was 4 years / $58 million.    Danks averages $13 million @ year while Buehrle averages $14.5 million a year.   That's pretty close.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 12, 2013, 04:24:26 pm
At the time it was the right move... but then JD got all hurt and all.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 16, 2013, 01:19:56 pm
Addison Reed traded to Arizona for a 3B prospect.    More to come.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 16, 2013, 01:22:02 pm
Sox get Matt Davidson:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=davids002mat
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 16, 2013, 01:25:34 pm
From whitesox.com:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article/cws/arizona-diamondbacks-land-addison-reed-in-deal-with-chicago-white-sox?ymd=20131216&content_id=66009630&vkey=news_cws
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2013, 01:29:21 pm
Not a bad trade again... is AZ looking to give up all their top OBP Prospects?

He's 22, has a career .350 OBP in the minors.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 16, 2013, 01:30:06 pm
I like. Davidson has been a consistent .350/.800 hitter in the minors. Hopefully he can solve our 3B problem.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2013, 01:50:01 pm
His Defense isnt all that... so that kinda sucks... but other then that perhaps we might have someone to take over at 3b for a while.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 16, 2013, 02:32:02 pm
Nate Jones should have an opportunity to close.

Our lineup has gotten alot younger this offseason:

Eaton CF

Abreu 1B

Davidson 3B

added to a lineup that already has

Beckham 2B

Garcia RF

Flowers C

Viciedo LF

The only 30-somethings in the lineup will be Ramirez and  Dunn/Konerko.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 16, 2013, 02:59:57 pm


Video:  Matt Davidson gets named the 2013 Futures Game MVP

 
http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28912229&c_id=mlb (http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28912229&c_id=mlb)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2013, 04:23:41 pm
Viciedo/flowers should not be in any lineup... well they can go to the carwash and work with norton.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 16, 2013, 09:06:35 pm
Dylan Axelrod and his long face is heading to Cleveland.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 16, 2013, 09:12:05 pm
Not a plus defender, they hope he can become one. Powerful, but Ks a lot despite nice OBP. Has uppercut in his swing, will never be a high average hitter.

Meh. Should have gotten more off what Reed has done. I like the idea of developing pitching and trading for hitters, lets hope Davidson becomes an everyday player at 3B.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 17, 2013, 09:01:18 am
Nice write-up by Haugh:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-1217-haugh-column-chicago-bears-20131217,0,2884549.column
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 17, 2013, 09:59:22 am
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale  14h 
The #WhiteSox have improved more than anyone in #MLB the last 6 months with acquistions of 1B Abreu, RF Garcia, CF Eaton and 3B Davidson.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 17, 2013, 10:18:27 am
Given our record, there was really nowhere to go but up.

That said, I am impressed with Hahn's overall efforts. Still not sure I like the Santiago/Eaton deal, but hoping it will prove to be a good one.
Garcia was impressive in half a season. Abreu and Davidson fill needs at the corners.  With Reed gone, Belisario signing makes alot of sense now.

Would still like a C not named Flowers. Baltimore seems willing to trade Mr. Wieters...
With both Santiago and Thornton shipped out, who is our LH setup? Veal? Purcey? A minor league guy (Sean Bierman)? FA?





Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 17, 2013, 10:46:18 am
Dont like the high K and bad walk rates for Davidson/Garcia... but better younger hitters we had.

We can rebuild the bullpen, the sox are good at that...

Guessing Nate Jones closes now?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 17, 2013, 12:16:23 pm
I like Jones setting up, maybe Lindstrom? He has closed before at Houston. Belisario could be an option. Daniel Webb will be the darkhorse candidate.

Agree with ISF, no Flowers on the roster, please. On LH setup, right now Purcey, Veal and Leesman are what we have. We need to beef that up.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 18, 2013, 07:27:45 am
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale  14h 
The #WhiteSox have improved more than anyone in #MLB the last 6 months with acquistions of 1B Abreu, RF Garcia, CF Eaton and 3B Davidson.



According to local media and dooshbag Joe Sheehan, this is simply far from the truth.

MSF, email me
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 18, 2013, 08:49:36 am
Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale  14h 
The #WhiteSox have improved more than anyone in #MLB the last 6 months with acquistions of 1B Abreu, RF Garcia, CF Eaton and 3B Davidson.



According to local media and dooshbag Joe Sheehan, this is simply far from the truth.

MSF, email me

I just did.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 19, 2013, 11:02:00 am
Here's your lefty reliever:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/white-sox-nearing-deal-with-scott-downs.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 19, 2013, 11:05:41 am
With the Rays asking for the moon for David Price, and cubs asking for a ton for Sam... hope we can still find a taker for JD.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 19, 2013, 11:35:30 am

The White Sox are in agreement on a one-year, $4MM contract (pending a physical) with free agent left-hander Scott Downs, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (Twitter links). Downs' deal contains a vesting option that could bring the deal to two years and roughly $8MM, he adds. According to Rosenthal, the option will vest if Downs pitches a normal workload.
 
The 37-year-old Downs posted a 2.49 ERA with 7.7 K/9, 3.9 BB/9 and a 64.3 percent ground-ball rate in 43 1/3 innings between the Angels and Braves in 2013. This past season represented the final year of a three-year, $15MM pact between the Angels and Downs. The Halos traded him to Atlanta in July in exchange for right-hander Cory Rasmus.
 
Though Downs was typically strong against both right- and left-handed hitters into his mid-30s, he's developed a notable platoon split over the past two seasons. From 2012-13, right-handed batters have hit Downs at a .285/.371/.416 clip.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/white-sox-to-sign-scott-downs.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 19, 2013, 01:00:15 pm

12:37pm: Downs' deal is worth $3.75MM with a $250K buyout on year two, making it $4MM guaranteed, tweets Bruce Levine of 670thescore.com.  The vesting option for 2015 is worth $4.25MM.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 19, 2013, 02:42:00 pm
He should make do.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 20, 2013, 12:06:55 pm
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS  1h 
1 team that really seems to have a plan is the #chisox. had obvious needs: hitting, athleticism, youth, and addressing them


The national media has been praising the Sox for pretty much of all their deals so far. It's kind of nice getting some positive recognition for once.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 20, 2013, 12:58:50 pm
ESPN piece:

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/43034/white-sox-having-underrated-offseason
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 20, 2013, 04:01:49 pm
I'll bet Coop could fix this guy:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=surkam001eri
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 20, 2013, 11:36:44 pm
Lots going on... 

Loved that ESPN piece btw.  Thanks Blacke "Ralph Garr jersry"  <snicker>
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 23, 2013, 04:29:46 pm
I'll bet Coop could fix this guy:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=surkam001eri

And....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-eric-surkamp-giants-20131223,0,5801477.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 23, 2013, 07:06:43 pm
Nice.   And as a bonus, Morel is gone.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 24, 2013, 02:00:50 pm
If anyone needs us, Rick and I will be in the hot tub thawing one of Kenny's lobsters and working on the next trade/signing...

Merry Christmas!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 24, 2013, 10:30:58 pm
•From the outside, the Giants' move to designate Surkamp for assignment didn't make sense, Grant Brisbee of SB Nation writes. Brisbee suggests that the Giants "probably let the next Carlos Villanueva go," reffering to the Giants' 2004 decision to send Villanueva to the Brewers in a minor trade for Wayne Franklin and Leo Estrella.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/12/giants-notes-balfour-surkamp-pill.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 25, 2013, 04:00:48 pm
I read some logs of their fans, not happy at all over losing this kid. He seems recovered from his elbow problems.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 29, 2013, 01:56:48 pm
Heard Hahn may be talking to R Sox and Yanks regarding a catcher.  Any smoke here?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Fury on December 30, 2013, 09:44:50 am
Quote
If anyone needs us, Rick and I will be in the hot tub thawing one of Kenny's lobsters and working on the next trade/signing...

Merry Christmas!!

Heh.

Happy with the off-season so far.   The Sox are getting better.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 30, 2013, 01:19:46 pm
Shoeless:   

A wee bit of smoke, I think.    Yanks have some catchers to spare.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 07, 2014, 11:40:23 pm
Could be interesting... maybe...

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-interest-tanaka-increased-level-playing-field
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on January 08, 2014, 08:17:51 am
Heh, the second Tanaka steps foot off the plane and feels the Chicago weather he'll have made up his mind.

Either way, it ain't happening for the Sox. Doubt it happens for the Cubs either. They're not going to pony up the money it'll take to sign him. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised if that happens.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 09, 2014, 01:04:30 pm

•The White Sox have signed infielder/outfielder Eric Patterson to a minor league contract, tweets Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune. The 30-year-old began last season with the Atlantic League's York Revolution, batting .275/.342/.527 with 13 homers in 294 plate appearances. That production led to him getting picked up by the Brewers, but he slashed just .204/.291/.235 in 111 plate appearances at Double-A Huntsville. Patterson has not appeared in the Majors since 2011.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/01/white-sox-sign-eric-patterson.html

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 09, 2014, 08:18:46 pm
Heh, the second Tanaka steps foot off the plane and feels the Chicago weather he'll have made up his mind.

Either way, it ain't happening for the Sox. Doubt it happens for the Cubs either. They're not going to pony up the money it'll take to sign him. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised if that happens.

I never count the Sox out when they are seriously pursuing someone, especially when the $ is even.  I bet they have the money to sign him, history with SHINGO! and Tadahito, and a diverse front office. White guy, Jew, Negro, Cubans.  The Jap has to like that. Plus, Comisk is close to Chinatown.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 10, 2014, 12:26:13 am
Heh, the second Tanaka steps foot off the plane and feels the Chicago weather he'll have made up his mind.

Either way, it ain't happening for the Sox. Doubt it happens for the Cubs either. They're not going to pony up the money it'll take to sign him. I could be wrong but I'd be surprised if that happens.

I never count the Sox out when they are seriously pursuing someone, especially when the $ is even.  I bet they have the money to sign him, history with SHINGO! and Tadahito, and a diverse front office. White guy, Jew, Negro, Cubans.  The Jap has to like that. Plus, Comisk is close to Chinatown.


....and JoeyC could probably be easily convinced to be his interpreter if he signs with the beloved. 

Probably the only hold up to his signing would be convincing Reinsdorf to release Lillibridge's old uniform #18 out of semi-retirement for Tanaka. 
    ;D






Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on January 10, 2014, 12:54:55 pm
 If  they are pursuing him  that money should have been spent on Buehrle. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on January 10, 2014, 03:21:09 pm
Diamondbacks claim Santos Rodriguez:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-rodriguez-waivers-20140110,0,5188744.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 10, 2014, 03:33:30 pm
Diamondbacks claim Santos Rodriguez:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-rodriguez-waivers-20140110,0,5188744.story

Should turn out to be no big loss.

The bigger question is who are they going to cut from the White Sox 40-man roster to make room for the signing of Masahiro Tanaka?





Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 10, 2014, 03:58:23 pm
If  they are pursuing him  that money should have been spent on Buehrle.

No way.  One of the White Sox better moves in the last three years was letting Buehrle walk. 4 years/$58 million was outrageous money to pay a 33-year old pitcher who had already pitched 2500 innings in the majors.

He's pretty much a mediocre pitcher that has an occasional brilliant start who is 25-23 over the last two seasons with an ERA of 4.  He doesn't strike out many hitters and plenty of those groundball outs he got for Toronto last year would have been hits and errors if he had the pathetic 2013 White Sox infield behind him. 

The good points of Buehrle were he worked fast, he gave you 200+ IP a season, he didn't walk many hitters (but he did give up a heck of a lot of hits) and his teammates and the fans loved him. But it's been 8 seasons since I thought "Boy I'm glad Buehrle's on the bump tonight since this is a big game the White Sox need to win!"

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on January 10, 2014, 04:05:42 pm
I agree with Andy. I liked Buehrle but not for that amount of money. Even a hometown discount that he would have taken to stay with the Sox would probably still been too high a price for him.

Is it right to spend a stupid amount of money on a guy who has never pitched in MLB? Not sure if that's the right move either but if they can structure a deal to opt out after 3 or 4 years so his contract doesn't kill us 5 years down the road, then I'm all for it. Still don't think we outbid the Yankees or Dodgers, though, anyway.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on January 11, 2014, 03:25:21 pm
Hmmm...


Kenny Williams:  “In the last 10 days I have been in Australia, the Dominican Republic and Los Angeles on White Sox business. There is nothing more important than the business taking place in the next few days.

“So I sent Frank a congratulatory message this morning via text and I imagine his phone has blown up with all the messages he has already been getting.

“If this business I’ve been on weren’t so important, there is no doubt in my mind I would have been there to give [Frank Thomas] a handshake and a hug.”

So what White Sox business is so important?

“There has been speculation over the last few days, but I like to keep things under the radar,” Williams said.


http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/24843837-452/sneed-white-sox-exec-kenny-williams-takes-high-road-on-frank-thomas-hall-of-fame.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 16, 2014, 09:55:08 pm
just cracks me up.  Cubs are always a player but they never play. 
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/williams-white-sox-not-giving-masahiro-tanaka?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 16, 2014, 10:55:26 pm
just cracks me up.  Cubs are always a player but they never play. 
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/williams-white-sox-not-giving-masahiro-tanaka?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

Come on Shoeless, it's a known fact that EVERY free-agent wants to play for the Cubs.  Especially since the arrival of the Theocracy and now they've introduced 'Clark' to sweeten the deal.  Their future is so bright that they're able to just pick & choose who they want and the other 29 teams will just have to fight over the table scraps. [/sarcasm]



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on January 24, 2014, 06:33:50 pm

....and JoeyC could probably be easily convinced to be his interpreter if he signs with the beloved. 

Hell yes. There's family history there, too. My old man worked for the Sox in their PR department for one night. It was Ichiro's first trip to the South Side when he first joined the M's.

It also happened to be the night that Mike Cameron went crazy on us.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on January 26, 2014, 02:05:26 pm
Don't you mean it was the night we told Parque to put up or shut up?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on February 05, 2014, 01:42:16 pm
Meh:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/trade-talks-for-jose-lobaton-heating-up.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on February 05, 2014, 02:33:48 pm
That is Meh.

He's pretty disliked by the fan base here...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on February 26, 2014, 01:50:22 pm
Just heard this mentioned on the local sports yakker:

During Tuesday's 8-3 win over Florida State at George Steinbrenner Field, scouts from the Chicago White Sox were in attendance and are interested in some of the Yankees catching and could look to acquire one of Austin Romine, Francisco Cervelli or J.R. Murphy. King said that Gordon Beckham could interest the Yankees in a trade.

http://www.sportsmedia101.com/newyorkyankees/2014/02/26/new-york-yankees-monitoring-infield-trade-market-could-pursue-white-sox-gordon-beckham-brewers-rickie-weeks-report/
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on February 26, 2014, 01:58:51 pm
Another linky:

http://nypost.com/2014/02/25/yanks-can-use-surplus-of-catcher-to-address-other-needs/
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 26, 2014, 02:25:05 pm
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/59884/59884-83Fr.jpg)          (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/86069/86069-US186Fr.jpg)

White Sox Claim Maikel Cleto, Designate Jake Elmore

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/white-sox-claim-maikel-cleto-designate-jake-elmore.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29 (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/white-sox-claim-maikel-cleto-designate-jake-elmore.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+MlbTradeRumors+%28MLB+Trade+Rumors%29)

http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140226&content_id=68362054&vkey=pr_kc&c_id=kc (http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140226&content_id=68362054&vkey=pr_kc&c_id=kc)

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140226&content_id=68362726&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140226&content_id=68362726&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)




Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on February 26, 2014, 03:38:38 pm
(http://images.uncyc.org/commons/a/ac/Cletus3.gif)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on February 26, 2014, 04:36:27 pm
Time to move Beckham. Can always pull out Johnson, and if Johnson finds it too hard, shoot Semien out there
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on February 26, 2014, 06:05:05 pm
Are those guys "Tools-y"players?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on February 26, 2014, 06:32:48 pm
Shoeless gets a star for that post.

I think it's brown.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on February 26, 2014, 06:58:32 pm
Good post Shoe. I agree with trading Beckham, he is not going to ever be what we hoped.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on February 26, 2014, 09:44:40 pm
nope.  we have guys to step in and need a C.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on February 26, 2014, 10:40:33 pm
If we don't have any intention of keeping Nieto the Rule 5 draft pick, when we had the third pick, why the hell did we pick him instead of some hard thrower for the bullpen?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on February 27, 2014, 06:54:47 am
Cripes Juan, like a rule V pick is going to make a big diff. Nieto was worth taking a look at, if we like him we give up a minor leaguer for him and send him to the minors. He is not going to make the team.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on February 27, 2014, 09:12:39 am
If Nieto looks good, we don't have anyone that is going to keep him off the roster.
I would assume Phegley has options left.

Disagree on Beckham. He was showing flashes last year. He just has to stay healthy.
If anyone is going in a trade, it ought to be Alexei. Semien can play SS.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on February 27, 2014, 10:28:14 am
I would be OK with that though I think Lexi has a nice bounce back year. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 27, 2014, 05:06:10 pm

this didn't take long.....

Jake Elmore traded to the Oakland A's for cash considerations


http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140227&content_id=68400462&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140227&content_id=68400462&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 06, 2014, 11:25:38 am

It's still relatively early on in Spring Training, but the White Sox have already begun getting calls on outfielders Alejandro De Aza and Dayan Viciedo, according to Jon Heyman of CBS Sports (on Twitter). The two are battling for the everyday job in left field, as it 2013 trade acquisitions Adam Eaton and Avisail Garcia are likely to man center field and right field, respectively.
 
De Aza is the more established player of the two but also comes with less team control. Set to turn 30 in early April, De Aza has batted .279/.343/.420 in 357 games with the White Sox since being claimed off waivers from the Marlins in 2009. The lefty swinger belted a career-high 17 homers last season and has stolen 46 bases over the past two seasons. Ultimate Zone Rating pegs him as an average defender in the outfield, though Defensive Runs Saved feels he's somewhat below average. He has extensive experience in center field and also played 426 innings in left field for the Sox last season. De Aza is under team control for two more seasons and will earn $4.25MM in 2014.
 
Viciedo is the younger and more powerful of the two, but comes with question marks about his defense and on-base skills. Viciedo, who turns 25 on Monday, mashed 25 homers in his first full season with the Sox in 2012, posting a .255/.300/.444 triple-slash line. However, he wasn't able to match that power level in 2013, as he hit just 14 homers with a .265/.304/.426 slash line. UZR/150 pegs him at -5.5 over his career in left field, while DRS has him at -3. Both metrics agree that his glove worsened in 2013. As a Super Two player, he'll earn $2.8MM in 2014 and is controllable through the 2017 season.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/white-sox-getting-calls-on-de-aza-viciedo.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on March 06, 2014, 02:16:03 pm
I would prefer De Aza.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on March 06, 2014, 09:08:28 pm
Me too, and I'd like to see a Danks/Viciedo platoon in left, but I read where Robin does not much like platoons, he's sort of the anti-Joe Maddon.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 07, 2014, 08:40:44 am
I prefer we keep de aza and trade dayan... dayan is horrible.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 07, 2014, 08:55:46 am
Agree with Method. De Aza gives us more flexibility defensively, he's a better baserunner and  gets on base more.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on March 07, 2014, 10:43:04 am
Defensive outfield of De Aza/Eaton/Garcia sounds half decent.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on March 07, 2014, 04:39:34 pm
I think we might as well get SOME value out of Viciedo while we can.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on March 08, 2014, 10:39:00 am
I am also in the "Dump Dayan" camp.

Defense, defense, defense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 10, 2014, 12:27:19 pm
I didn't even realize he was back...but he's gone again:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-zach-stewart-trade-atlanta-20140310,0,488598.story
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 10, 2014, 02:47:31 pm
I didn't even realize he was back...but he's gone again:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-zach-stewart-trade-atlanta-20140310,0,488598.story


(http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Zach+Stewart+Chicago+White+Sox+v+Minnesota+VI2iugwU13hl.jpg)


The Braves were looking for a batting practice pitcher and decided to trade for Stewart to fill the position.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on March 10, 2014, 08:14:25 pm
I didn't even realize he was back...but he's gone again:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-zach-stewart-trade-atlanta-20140310,0,488598.story

He started all year at Charlotte, did not have a good year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 14, 2014, 12:48:49 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/al-east-notes-cervelli-pineda-drew-orioles.html

a deal centered around Francisco Cervelli and Gordon Beckham "is not impossible,"
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 26, 2014, 01:18:40 pm
WHITE SOX CLAIM PITCHER JAVY GUERRA OFF WAIVERS FROM DODGERS
March 26, 2014 at 1:15pm

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Wednesday, March 26, 2014

 
GLENDALE, Ariz. – The Chicago White Sox have claimed right-handed relief pitcher Javy Guerra off waivers from the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Guerra, 28, spent most of the 2013 season with Class AAA Albuquerque, going 0-4 with a 3.66 ERA (16 ER/39.1 IP), 12 saves and 36 strikeouts in 27 games (four starts).  He also made nine appearances with the Dodgers, recording a 6.75 ERA (8 ER/10.2 IP) with 12 strikeouts.

Guerra, 6-foot-1 and 190 pounds, has gone 4-5 with a 2.90 ERA (33 ER/102.1 IP), 87 strikeouts and 29 saves over parts of three major-league seasons with the Dodgers (2011-13).  His best season came as a rookie in 2011 when he posted a 2.31 ERA (12 ER/46.2 IP), with a team-high 21 saves and 38 strikeouts in 47 appearances.  Guerra followed with a 2.60 ERA (13 ER/45.0 IP) and eight saves in 2012.

A native of Denton, Texas, Guerra also has gone 27-30 with a 4.26 ERA (226 ER/477.1 IP) and 464 strikeouts in 219 games (65 starts) over 10 seasons in the minor leagues, all with the Dodgers.  He originally was selected by the Dodgers in the fourth round of the 2004 draft.

The White Sox 40-man roster is at 40



https://www.facebook.com/notes/chicago-white-sox/white-sox-claim-pitcher-javy-guerra-off-waivers-from-dodgers/10152711690098047
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on March 26, 2014, 02:15:45 pm
Thanks ISF, I had not heard that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 27, 2014, 12:52:47 pm

•The Diamondbacks have acquired lefty Spencer Arroyo from the White Sox for cash, according to the MLB transactions page. The 25-year-old spent most of his time as a starter in Double-A last year, putting up a 3.50 ERA in 149 1/3 innings while posting 5.8 K/9 against 2.7 BB/9.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/03/minor-moves-pirates-acquire-keon-broxton.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 13, 2014, 08:14:24 pm
Nationals are hurting with 3B Zimmerman out for 2 months. Rendon is moving the #B now, and they have a hole at 2B. Espinosa k's hits like Dunn without the HR's.

Beckham for a reliever?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 13, 2014, 09:10:44 pm
Nationals are hurting with 3B Zimmerman out for 2 months. Rendon is moving the #B now, and they have a hole at 2B. Espinosa k's hits like Dunn without the HR's.

Beckham for a reliever?

Have the White Sox made a trade with the Nationals since July of 2010? 

The reason I  ask is that, from what I heard, Kenny & Hahn were really upset with Mike Rizzo. The White Sox went through with acquiring Jackson from Arizona for Daniel Hudson & David Holmberg only because they expected to immediately send him to Washington for Adam Dunn. After the CWS acquired Jackson, Rizzo reneged on the trade. I don't know if he changed his mind completely or asked for a better deal since the CWS had already made the trade with Arizona.  Obviously, the White Sox did end up with Dunn later in the off-season but as a free-agent and that cost the White Sox their 2011 1st round pick.

AFAIK, Kenny & Hahn vowed not to deal with Rizzo again unless any future deal with Rizzo was lopsided to the White Sox benefit. So, if bad feelings still linger, I suspect Rizzo would have to offer a killer deal to get Beckham or anyone else from the White Sox.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 13, 2014, 09:35:51 pm
You know that Rizzo was with the White Sox and at least partially responsible for the Frank Thomas signing. Did the bad blood start then when Rizzo left?

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 13, 2014, 09:56:21 pm
You know that Rizzo was with the White Sox and at least partially responsible for the Frank Thomas signing. Did the bad blood start then when Rizzo left?

The bad blood started on July 30, 2010 when he reneged on the Edwin Jackson for Adam Dunn deal.  The White Sox would have never traded Hudson & Holmberg for Jackson if Rizzo didn't tell KW/RH that he'd trade Dunn for Jackson. 

The 2010 White Sox needed offense as Mark Kotsay was their primary DH.  KW/RH expected Dunn to be a big upgrade and add some needed punch for the August-October push to make post-season play.  Rizzo's last minute screw job lead them to scramble to acquire Manny Ramirez from the Dodgers and we all know how that worked out.  At the time of the Jackson trade, the White Sox were in 1st place, a couple of game ahead of Minnesota.  The Twins ended up winning the division by 6 games. 

It also didn't help that, while Jackson pitched fairly well, Hudson was lights out for Arizona, a 7-1 record with a 1.69 ERA in eleven starts.

Mike Rizzo also tries to take way more credit for the White Sox drafting Frank Thomas than he ever deserves as Rizzo was an area scout at the time.  His territory was the Upper Midwest (Iowa, Minnesota, Western Illinois & Wisconsin). Not only was Frank a well known talent to all of the MLB teams, he didn't play in the midwest as Frank was from Georgia and went to Auburn.  Rod Fridley was the White Sox area scout for Georgia in 1988.  GM Larry Himes and Director of Scouting Al Goldis made the decision to pick Frank with input from Asst. Scouting Director Steve Noworyta and National Crosschecker Dan Monzon.





Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on April 14, 2014, 09:09:30 am
You know that Rizzo was with the White Sox and at least partially responsible for the Frank Thomas signing. Did the bad blood start then when Rizzo left?



No, bad blood started during that trade that did not happen. Rizzo left under good circumstances, got a great offer from a diff. org.

BTW, yes, I would trade Beckham if we can swing it. Semien is going to be a much better player IMO.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on April 27, 2014, 12:03:28 pm

•The White Sox might prefer not to trade John Danks, who they have signed to a reasonable contract through 2016. But Adam Dunn is set to become a free agent, and the team has plenty of potential replacements for Alexei Ramirez and Gordon Beckham, so Chicago could deal any of those players at the deadline.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/04/rosenthal-on-white-sox-johnson-cruz.html

I would have no problem with trading either Beckham or Ramirez at the deadline. Frankly, we ought to trade Ramirez now while he's had a hot start.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on April 27, 2014, 05:41:01 pm
I would prefer not to trade Ramirez, personally.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on April 27, 2014, 06:36:09 pm
I would prefer not to trade Ramirez, personally.

Same here. He might have finally matured and is a big attribute as a SS.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2014, 12:23:52 pm
While I think we have or could get adequate replacements for Ramierez, I think his relationship and leadership for the other Cubans on the team ought to put him in the no trade category.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on May 15, 2014, 12:46:28 pm
I know its a sin to say this... but with the rangers rotation falling apart... if Sale is ok... we should really consider selling him for a kings ransom rangers are one team that will pay for a pitcher of Sale's caliber.

With Jose Fernandez going down.. i am not sure how long before Sale has TJS at this point.

Getting a package of something like Odor, alfaro and profar for sale might be possible. doubt they would trade Gallo but he'd be a tremendous asset as well. If Aiken or Rondon fall to 3 in the draft, i really hope the consider moving Sale to finish the offensive overhaul.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on May 15, 2014, 01:58:37 pm
Gallo, HS teammate of Johnny Field. I am going to say now I do not think Gallo makes it. Maybe as another Olt, homers and Ks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on May 15, 2014, 02:10:35 pm
Boooooooo.....

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the minors.  See Matt Davidson, oh I forgot. We can't.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on May 27, 2014, 10:43:50 am
Red Sox are looking for cheap help in CF, might be a good opportunity to unload De Aza.

Pirates DFA'd Vin Mazzaro. Mazzaro has performed this year, I'd take him for our bullpen.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on May 27, 2014, 02:10:36 pm
I like our pen right now. Petricka and Webb belong in the bigs. Putnam has been pleasant surprise. Not sure who I would cut. I still like Belisario as a set up man, has Thornton-itis as a closer. Downs is our only LH. Guess Guerra or Carroll could be cut. I would like to see what Guerra can do. Carroll could be released to take on Mazzaro I guess.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 21, 2014, 12:09:21 pm
From last week...


The White Sox have announced that they’ve acquired outfielder Michael Taylor from the Athletics for pitcher Jake Sanchez. Taylor, 28, played sparingly for the Athletics in 2011 through 2013. He posted a .243/.357/.385 line in 258 plate appearances for Triple-A Sacramento this year and is a career .275/.367/.436 hitter at the Triple-A level. Sanchez, 24, had a 2.80 ERA with 9.7 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 for Class A+ Kannapolis. The White Sox purchased his contract from the independent Joliet Slammers last year.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/minor-moves-wilton-lopez.html


Basically, we took a guy from the independent league and turned him into a AAAA OF. I would normally poo-poo that, except there are a couple teams, including the Phillies, that could use a AAAA OF to upgrade their OF. I'd also say there is evidence to suggest Taylor > De Aza.

Kudos to Hahn.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 25, 2014, 01:52:53 pm
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Mariners would be in playoffs if postseason started today. They're expected to talk with White Sox if Dunn, Ramirez, Viciedo available.

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
White Sox in last place now, and -- if they decide to sell -- have four bats to possibly move: Dunn, Beckham, Ramirez, Viciedo.


If Dunn and Viciedo are available? I would have to think both are very available!! I don't understand why Seattle would want Viciedo in that spacious ballpark, but hell, if they have something semi-decent to offer we should be listening.

I'm a little torn on trading Ramirez. But if he could bring some really good pieces back....again, have to listen. Just not sure who we have to step in and play a good SS. Our defense is bad enough already.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 25, 2014, 02:01:17 pm
Most likely to happen:   Beckham to the Blue Jays


Least likely to happen:  Adam Dunn anywhere
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on June 25, 2014, 11:33:48 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8H2FIf1oH4
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 30, 2014, 02:58:43 pm
An Astros database was hacked an internal discussions from last year's trading deadline and offseason trade proposals were leaked. Interesting stuff. Hahn was trying to get Jason Castro:

I spoke with [White Sox GM Rick Hahn] today. They have definite high interest in Castro. He said they have four untouchable players - Sale, Quintana, Abreu and Garcia. Other than that, they would consider anything. He said they have had some inquiries about Santiago, Reed, Jones, and may consider moving Viciedo.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on June 30, 2014, 03:01:22 pm
How could Abreu have been an untouchable player at last year's deadline?   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 30, 2014, 03:37:22 pm
Oops, that quote was from 10/31/13....not the trade deadline. Sorry, forgot to include the date.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 30, 2014, 03:55:33 pm
Oops, that quote was from 10/31/13....not the trade deadline. Sorry, forgot to include the date.

...and Jose Abreu signed with the White Sox on October 29th so the 'leaked e-mails & reports' could be real.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on June 30, 2014, 04:00:14 pm
According to some of the reports I've read, the leaked info is believed to be legit.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 04, 2014, 01:35:57 pm

The Mariners and Giants are among the teams who have talked to the White Sox about acquiring outfielder Dayan Viciedo, ESPN Boston’s Gordon Edes reports.  The Mariners have considered sending righty Brandon Maurer and another player to Chicago in exchange for Viciedo, while the extent of the Giants’ interest in the Cuban slugger isn’t known.

Viciedo has struggled to a .242/.294/.404 slash line over 326 PA this season, hitting nine homers and producing only an 89 wRC+.  He has roughly $1.4MM remaining on his contract for this season, and he is controlled through 2017 as a Super Two player.  Viciedo is still just 25 years old and posted some big power numbers in the minors, so a change of scenery could help, though moving from hitter-friendly US Cellular Field to pitcher-friendly parks in Seattle and San Francisco doesn’t seem ideal for a batter looking to realize his potential.

This isn’t the first time Seattle has been linked to Viciedo, as the M’s and Sox explored a swap during Spring Training.  The Mariners are still looking for some outfield power, as while Michael Saunders (RF) and James Jones (CF) have mostly locked down everyday roles, former top prospect Dustin Ackley has contributed only a .640 OPS while getting the bulk of playing time in left field.  Since all three of these players are left-handed batters, Viciedo would add some balance from the right side.

Maurer, who just turned 24 yesterday, has a 6.51 ERA in 37 1/3 IP (seven starts and three relief outings) for Seattle this season.  A 23rd-round draft pick in 2008, Maurer has recorded a 3.79 ERA, 8.4 K/9 and 2.7 K/BB rate over 389 minor league innings.

Brandon Belt returns from the DL today, leaving the Giants with an ideal regular lineup of Belt at first base, Michael Morse in left and Hunter Pence in right.  If Viciedo were to go to San Francisco, then, it would be as a bench bat and DH option for interleague games in AL stadiums.  Viciedo has graded out as a below-average outfielder over his career, so it’s hard to see him getting much playing time in the spacious AT&T Park outfield.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/mariners-giants-interested-in-dayan-viciedo.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 08, 2014, 08:57:19 am

The White Sox are willing to move second baseman Gordon Beckham, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports, but Jose Quintana isn’t available (Twitter link). The 27-year-old Beckham opened the season on the disabled list and had a strong month of May after being activated, but he’s cooled since that time and is hitting .248/.302/.395. He’s under team control through 2015 and is earning $4.18MM this season after avoiding arbitration for the second time this season. It’s not entirely surprising that the team wouldn’t move Quintana, as he just inked a five-year, $21MM contract extension in Spring Training. He’s in the midst of his finest season in the Majors to this point, having posted a 3.20 ERA with 8.0 K/9, 2.6 BB/9 and a 47.6 percent ground-ball rate.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/chicago-links-beckham-quintana-garcia-samardzija.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 08, 2014, 09:05:48 am
Apparently Hahn doesn't buy into the "our bullpen sucks because of Jose Quintana" theory either.

For the record, I've seen plenty of examples of pitchers who always pitched under their competition, or over their competition. Jack Morris is a great example of a pitcher who always did just enough to win. Our own Jack McDowell was another.

The caveat is that you have to be in the game to have that opportunity. The Jacks finished what they started. The were able to control their own destiny.
Quintana, in this day and age of pitch counts and TJ surgery, does not.  Watching Ronald Belisario blow the lead you left with is not a curse, nor is it a sign you pitch under your competition. It is a sign your GM doesn't want to eat his contract and probably can't find a taker for trade.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 10, 2014, 07:56:22 pm

The White Sox have acquired righty Bobby Doran from the Astros, reports MLB.com’s Brian McTaggart (via Twitter). Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle reports that shortstop Jeffry Santos is headed to Houston (Twitter links). Doran, 25, has pitched in the upper minors since 2012, working as a starter and out of the pen while compiling a 3.83 ERA at the Double-A level and 4.90 mark at Triple-A. He was taken in the fourth round out of Texas Tech back in 2010. The 21-year-old Santos is old for his current Arizona Rookie League club, where he’s posted a .295/.483/.386 batting line in 60 PA.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/angels-release-rich-hill.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 17, 2014, 02:29:43 pm

The White Sox have made a series of transactions at the minor league level, according to a tweet from its Triple-A affiliate Charlotte Knights (h/t to MLB.com’s Scott Merkin). The team has added righty Chien-Ming Wang on a minor league deal. Wang, who has thrown at least 27 MLB innings over each of the last three seasons, was recently let go by the Reds after opting out of his deal.

Meanwhile, the Reds have acquired righty Dylan Axelrod from the White Sox for an as-yet unknown return. The 28-year-old threw 128 1/3 innings last year for Chicago, including 20 starts, but managed only a 5.68 ERA with 5.1 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9. He currently sports a 4.50 ERA through 88 frames at Triple-A on the year, logging 7.8 K/9 versus 3.7 BB/9.

The White Sox also released Deunte Heath, a 28-year-old righty who has tossed 9 2/3 MLB innings over the past two seasons. Heath will evidently be signing with a Japanese club after posting generally excellent numbers at the Triple-A level over the past several seasons.




http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/white-sox-sign-chien-ming-wang-trade-dylan-axelrod-to-reds.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 17, 2014, 05:20:08 pm
would be nice if Beckham got hot and upped his value.  Time for that boy to go home
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 23, 2014, 09:34:04 am

The two White Sox players that are generating the most interest in trade are John Danks and Dayan Viciedo, tweets Chris Cotillo of SB Nation’s MLB Daily Dish. The Yankees have reportedly had some discussions with the South Siders about acquiring Danks as of yesterday afternoon. Danks has a six-team no-trade clause, with only four contenders on the list, according to yesterday’s report from MLB.com’s Scott Merkin. He can block deals to the Orioles, A’s, Nationals and Blue Jays.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/al-central-links-royals-hanrahan-lindor-sox.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 23, 2014, 09:36:01 am
I would trade both in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 23, 2014, 10:19:43 am
I would part with Viciedo. I had been in camp of keeping Danks. Still think he will be a decent 2-3 starter for his career. Also not sure what Yankees have to offer. But if we got enough I would trade him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 27, 2014, 06:53:35 pm

John Danks of the White Sox appears to be among the Yankees’ top possibilities, Heyman writes. Heyman reported last week that the Yankees and White Sox were discussing a possible Danks deal. Danks, 29, has a 4.40 ERA with 6.3 K/9 and 3.2 BB/9 in 131 innings for Chicago this season. His contract, which will pay him $14.25MM in both 2015 and 2016, shouldn’t be a huge obstacle, although Heyman notes that Danks’ declining velocity (with a drop in his average fastball from 91.6 MPH in 2011 to 88.2 MPH this season) might be a concern.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/latest-on-yankees-pursuit-of-starting-pitching.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 28, 2014, 04:14:15 pm

The White Sox have had scouts watching the Yankees‘ surplus of minor league catchers in recent weeks, fueling speculation that the Yanks would like to acquire John Danks.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/starks-latest-lester-miller-byrd-kemp-danks-rios.html

14.5 mil more off the books if we trade Danks. He's pitched decently enough, but his velocity is gone.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 28, 2014, 06:32:09 pm
Yeah, that 14.5 is more than he earns, when I read that earlier today that swayed me back to trading him if someone knocks us over with a trade. Yankee prospects are normally so overrated, not excited about trading with them, but if they have catchers...

In AAA, I think Murphy is their man, he is not hitting a lick. No power, not walking, yuk. The other guy, Austin Romine, a bit better offense, but not much. http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=531&stn=true&sid=t531

In AA, Gary Sanchez has some nice numbers. http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=567&stn=true&sid=t567

In Hi A and low A, nothing much to see.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 29, 2014, 08:57:27 am

The Blue Jays were interested in Darwin Barney before he was shipped to the Dodgers and have kicked the tires on the White Sox’s Gordon Beckham for the last month, tweets Bruce Levine of WSCR-AM.  However, Beckham’s recent slump has hurt progress in those talks.  Toronto was linked to Beckham last October.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/east-notes-rays-colon-blue-jays-beckham.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 29, 2014, 09:00:26 am
Beckham can't do anything right for us.  >:(
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 29, 2014, 10:48:43 am

Despite reported interest from the Yankees, the White Sox might have a difficult time moving John Danks, a source tells Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times. “Anybody who throws 200 innings in the big leagues is worth his weight in gold,” the source said. “But I don’t think his weight is worth $30 million worth of gold.” Van Schouwen’s source feels that the Sox would let Danks go if he were to be claimed on waivers next month in order to free themselves of his remaining salary obligations.

As for Chicago’s other tradeable pieces, Van Schouwen notes that Adam Dunn, Gordon Beckham, Alejandro De Aza and Dayan Viciedo have limited markets due to contractual obligations (Dunn) or poor performance (the others). Alexei Ramirez would fetch a nice return, but the ChiSox don’t have an in-house replacement for the 32-year-old.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/al-central-rumors-miller-gomes-danks-sox-indians-twins.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2014, 11:00:30 am
If our next SS is in our org, it would be the Rondon kid who is playing SS at Winston-Salem (High A, promoted about a month ago when Anderson got hurt). This kid has only made maybe 3 or 4 errors in a month (Anderson had almost 30 already). He also is showing he can hit, just needs to get stronger. His range is supposed to be off the scales, great arm and I think he switch hits, but almost worthless as a LH, might be best to stay just a RH. This is one of the youngsters we got for Peavy last year (we really got some great talent in that trade, Montes is our #3 prospect, throws real hard with control, Rondon is becoming a great SS prospect, and Wendelken is doing so-so as a starter this year to get him more innings altho they expect he may be a closer type). All this besides Avisail.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 29, 2014, 11:01:04 am
I don't agree that Hahn would just let him go. Danks has pitched solidly this year. He hasn't been an all-star, and there is concern about his velocity drop. But he's been effective and he's gone 6+ most games. Is he worth 15 mil/yr? No.  But if he were FA tomorrow, he'd probably fetch 7-9 mil/yr. Jimenez got 4/$50 mil last year, and his peripherals are fairly similar to Danks.

We'll have to eat some salary to get a return. If I'm Hahn, I'm giving up no more than 6 mil/yr.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2014, 11:06:15 am
I bet he could get close to 10M on the market as well. He is a solid pitcher, maybe does not throw hard but neither does Buehrle, it can be done. 200 innings with 15-10 type record, that makes him worth it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 29, 2014, 12:29:35 pm
If we're talking to Blue Jays, it isn't about Beckham. More likely about Viciedo.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2014, 01:30:31 pm
I am getting excited, if we can get anything for the numbnut then that would be ****.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 29, 2014, 01:30:57 pm
Teats then if it won't take ****.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 29, 2014, 06:05:05 pm
I will be surprised if any deals get done.   Who wants our crap?   Maybe we could give Dunn away in the waiver period in August.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 29, 2014, 10:11:22 pm
Why give Dunn away when he's having a better season than most of our players other than Abreu, Eaton, ARam, and Conner. His OPS and HR's is second, and he's a big plus in the club house. The only reason I would give him away is to give him a chance for the ring. But I would be willing to eat most of his salary in exchange for a decent prospect.

I don't get the hatred for him in Chitown. Yeah he really blew it his first year here, but his last three have been consistent with what he did most recently with the Nats and D'backs.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 29, 2014, 11:17:57 pm
Dunn has a (Fangraphs) WAR of 0.5.   Despite his decent OPS, he's just "a guy" with no defensive value and marginal offensive value.   I doubt anyone will give up a "decent" prospect for him.   

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2014, 08:11:36 am
Wow, Blackie pulls out the WAR card. Old dogs can learn new tricks!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2014, 09:13:53 am

White Sox reliever Matt Lindstrom is nearing a rehab stint, MLB.com’s Scott Merkin reports on Twitter. The 34-year-old owns a 3.32 ERA through 19 innings, and could be a possible August trade chip if he can return healthy. He is playing on a $4MM salary this year before hitting the open market.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/quick-hits-cards-ms-willingham-sox-kemp-lindstrom.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2014, 09:19:27 am
Dunn has a (Fangraphs) WAR of 0.5.   Despite his decent OPS, he's just "a guy" with no defensive value and marginal offensive value.   I doubt anyone will give up a "decent" prospect for him.   


1. While I agree with the premise that Dunn isn't likely to net much unless we eat significant salary, there's some discrepancy in that WAR figure. Baseball-Reference has him at 1.2 WAR.

2. I'll see your WAR card and raise you a Mark Trumbo. There's a Kevin Towers born every minute...

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 30, 2014, 09:23:31 pm

9:17pm: The Marlins and White Sox have discussed a deal that would send Danks to Miami, Jon Morosi of FOX Sports reports on Twitter. The 29-year-old lefty is owed $28.5MM over the next two seasons under an extension signed before the 2012 season.

A veteran of eight MLB campaigns, Danks owns a 4.40 ERA this year through 131 innings. He has posted 6.3 K/9 against 3.2 BB/9, with a 40.6% groundball rate. On the positive side, Danks has seemingly returned to health; on the other, his fastball velocity is down and ERA estimators suggest that he may be performing at a slightly worse clip than his earned run mark shows.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/marlins-red-sox-discussing-john-lackey-trade.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 31, 2014, 12:36:48 am
Wow, Blackie pulls out the WAR card. Old dogs can learn new tricks!!

Shall we discuss his .358 wOBA or his .299 BABIP?    Heh.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 31, 2014, 12:38:56 am
I'll see your WAR card and raise you a Mark Trumbo. There's a Kevin Towers born every minute...

I hope so (or, "Ajo-pe so", for Boatdrink).   I just doubt it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 08:14:51 am
Wow, Blackie pulls out the WAR card. Old dogs can learn new tricks!!

Shall we discuss his .358 wOBA or his .299 BABIP?    Heh.

heh
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 09:03:50 am
Wow, A's trade Cespedes for Lester. They are really going for it!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 31, 2014, 09:23:39 am
I don't know that I like the trade. Pitching wins championships to be sure, but Oakland was extremely balanced before the trade. I would be concerned about how much of a hit their offense takes removing Cespedes from the lineup.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 09:35:45 am
They have plenty of pitchers to trade for O now. Sounds like Hamels and Milone are available.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 10:06:11 am
I'm sure Hammel is available. He has stunk it up since being traded.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 10:49:50 am
whoops, that is who I meant, not Hamels, that is the Phillie. Sorry
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 10:52:12 am
Rumor that Tigers are getting David Price and Ben Zobrist from the Rays.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 31, 2014, 11:21:11 am
One of the local sports talk radio stations is reporting that there are a lot of scouts at the game today to watch Danks, and they might pull him after 5 innings if a deal can be done.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 31, 2014, 11:27:36 am
Milone sent to the Twins for Sam Fuld. 

So the gambel (odd that **** is banned) is that a Fuld/Gomes platoon can fill the void Cespedes left.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 11:48:14 am
Fuld filling in for Crisp, who is hurt. They have a LH hitting LF that will platoon with Gomes. Cannot recall his name. Great OBP guy. Fuld has top OBP in AL for past 6 weeks or so.

I like Milone, hate seeing him go to Twins, and why are they putting him in AAA??
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 12:09:16 pm
The Red Sox are cleaning house! Now Lackey to the Cardinals for Allen Craig and Joe Kelly. Doesn't seem like the greatest return for Lackey.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 31, 2014, 01:07:46 pm
Lackey to the Cards for a bag of non-magical beans...Beane must be shaking his head right now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 01:27:40 pm
there are a lot of scouts at the game today to watch Danks

Danks is making sure he's not traded. The scouts have probably all walked out by now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 31, 2014, 01:28:47 pm
Well, we finally got rid of somebody before the deadline....


The Pirates claimed shortstop Angel Sanchez off waivers from the White Sox, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

Sanchez, 30, has spent most of the season with the Dodgers’ Double-A affiliate.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/pirates-claim-angel-sanchez.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 01:35:59 pm
Well, we finally got rid of somebody before the deadline....


The Pirates claimed shortstop Angel Sanchez off waivers from the White Sox, tweets Bob Nightengale of USA Today.

Sanchez, 30, has spent most of the season with the Dodgers’ Double-A affiliate.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/pirates-claim-angel-sanchez.html

RHP we had just picked up a few weeks ago. Glad we let him go.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 02:03:22 pm
One hour to go to see if some GM is dumb enough to give us anything for our dead weight.

This is a boring (and depressing) trade deadline.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 31, 2014, 02:27:24 pm
Red Sox trade Andrew Miller to Orioles.

Red Sox have only one of their original starters left on the roster. Peavy, Lester, Lackey, Doubront all traded away, along with Miller.
Clay Buchholz is only remaining starter from beginning of year.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 31, 2014, 02:50:07 pm
Tigers get David Price?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 02:52:44 pm
Tigers get David Price?

Good Lord, if true this deadline just got even worse. Ugh!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 02:55:16 pm
Austin Jackson and Drew Smyly for Price. Please tell me the Tigers had to give up more than that!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 31, 2014, 02:58:28 pm
They will miss smyly he's a good young arm.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 03:10:49 pm
They will miss smyly he's a good young arm.

But they replaced him with David Price. They won't miss him too much.

I'm going to guess that maybe this means they won't re-sign Scherzer now. And if that's the case then it's really no different pitching wise going forward. But if they were to re-sign Scherzer and Price....yikes.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 31, 2014, 03:22:38 pm
I am surprised they prefer ed smyly and Franklin to addison russell
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 31, 2014, 03:47:25 pm
Tigers also give up Willy Adames to the Rays.

They now have the last 3 AL Cy Young winners in their rotation.

When's the last time that happened, I wonder....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on July 31, 2014, 03:56:07 pm
Price is a nice pick-up, but their bullpen still blows. Look at Soria again today. Dude has an ERA near 4.00.
They would have been better off giving Albuquerque a shot.

Tiggers will win the division due to what I will call "divisional indifference" (sort of like defensive indifference; when a guy doesn't get credit for an SB because the other team didn't give a sh*t that he was advancing).

However, when they have to face the A's/Angels/Orioles in playoffs, I think they're done.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 31, 2014, 04:00:37 pm
Fury will hate me for saying this but I think I gotta pull for the A's this postseason. I don't like the Angels and don't care one way or the other about Baltimore but I like the moves the A's have made. I'd like to see them win it all.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 04:02:12 pm
Tigers also give up Willy Adames to the Rays.

They now have the last 3 AL Cy Young winners in their rotation.

When's the last time that happened, I wonder....

Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz. (well, not AL, **** just noticed you had AL)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 31, 2014, 05:03:11 pm
Well, in either league.

Yeah - Glavine, Maddux and Smoltz... and depending on your definition of "the last 3 Cy Young winners," you could make a case for Randy Johnson I suppose (4 years in a row...).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 31, 2014, 08:25:51 pm
Not only the last three Cy Young on the Tigers, also the last three MVP's.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 04, 2014, 11:07:58 am

The Diamondbacks have acquired outfielder Blake Tekotte from the White Sox for cash, per the MLB.com transactions page. Tekotte, who made 36 plate appearances for the White Sox in 2013 good for a slash of .226/.306/.355, will report to Triple-A Reno. The 27-year-old posted a .251/.324/.438 line in 318 plate appearances for the White Sox’s Triple-A affiliate.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/minor-moves-abreu-noonan-joseph-tekotte-buckner.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on August 21, 2014, 04:39:40 pm
Beckham to the Angels.

Sox get cash + PTBNL.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 21, 2014, 04:43:36 pm
'bout dam time...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/angels-acquire-gordon-beckham.html


Love the comments...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 21, 2014, 05:21:18 pm
Micah time?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 21, 2014, 05:28:41 pm
Can we send them Danks too? they need a SP now...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 21, 2014, 05:31:07 pm
Micah time?

Micah is shelved with some leg problems. Was likely to sit rest of season. Maybe this makes a diff, doubt it. Semien or Sanchez will play 2nd.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 21, 2014, 05:36:31 pm
Can we send them Danks too? they need a SP now...


when I heard them tease the trade on MLB Network, my first thought was John Danks to the Angels.  Hope that's still to come.








Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 21, 2014, 05:48:37 pm
Beckham to the Angels.

Sox get cash + PTBNL.


(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/front_zpsc046bdcb.jpg)


Chicago Tribune story on the trade: 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-trade-beckham-20140821-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-trade-beckham-20140821-story.html)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 21, 2014, 08:38:01 pm
Kay clarifies that the Angels will send a PTBNL or cash considerations to the White Sox in exchange for Beckham, not both, as he initially announced

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/angels-acquire-gordon-beckham.html

DiPoto: "I'll give you $10 or one of our sh*tty prospects"

Hahn:  "$10 won't even get me a microbrew at the park"

Williams: "We need at least a $100 Darden Restaurants gift card"

Hahn: "I am not taking you to Red Lobster"

DiPoto: "$30 and we'll pay his luggage fee, or one of our sh*tty prospects. Final offer"

Williams: "I wanted it for Olive Garden..."

Hahn: "$30 could get me a haircut...minus the tip..."

DiPoto: "I have a discount coupon for new customers at Sport Clips."

Williams: "That's more than I got for Ray Durham!"

Hahn: "Do I have to decide between the two right now?"

DiPoto: "No. You can take some time"

Williams: "If you choose the sh*tty prospect, make sure you spell his name right..."

Hahn: "Deal."

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 22, 2014, 12:49:55 pm
On other message boards (SoxTalk) and on sports talk radio, I've read/heard it proffered by some that Hahn held onto Beckham too long -- that he should have traded him earlier and instead wound up with "nothing".

When exactly do these people think that Beckham have any decent trade value?   Back in 2009, maybe?    Methnks these folks are significantly overvaluing Beckham's trade value these past few years.   
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 22, 2014, 01:58:27 pm
Rusney Castillo to the Red Sox.

Hope Hahn is calling them about Betts and Bradley.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 22, 2014, 02:03:50 pm
Matt Davidson, 3b, White Sox. Davidson has power, unquestionably, though he’s been helped by Triple-A Charlotte’s the homer-happy BB&T Ballpark. The righthanded hitter has 19 jacks, but he’s also struck out 148 times and is hitting just .201. This week, he was 2-for-26 with eight whiffs. Swing-and-miss will always be a part of his game, but he’s been a victim of bad luck this year. Last year at Triple-A Reno, Davidson’s average on balls in play was .359; this year, it’s .252.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on August 22, 2014, 02:24:08 pm
On other message boards (SoxTalk) and on sports talk radio, I've read/heard it proffered by some that Hahn held onto Beckham too long -- that he should have traded him earlier and instead wound up with "nothing".

When exactly do these people think that Beckham have any decent trade value?   Back in 2009, maybe?    Methnks these folks are significantly overvaluing Beckham's trade value these past few years.

Yeah, those are typical morons.  When Beckham was playing well early, there was no trade market.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 25, 2014, 08:58:11 am
righthanded hitter has 19 jacks, but he’s also struck out 148 times and is hitting just .201.

Javier Baez is doing that and everyone loves him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on August 25, 2014, 03:07:04 pm
righthanded hitter has 19 jacks, but he’s also struck out 148 times and is hitting just .201.

Javier Baez is doing that and everyone loves him.

I think he's on pace for over 300 Ks over a full season.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 25, 2014, 06:51:02 pm

White Sox general manager Rick Hahn appeared on the Mully and Hanley show last Friday and said that his staff is pleased with the results of the 2013-14 offseason, and he expects to be active in free agency this offseason.

Hahn also sang the praises of top pick Carlos Rodon, saying that he’s even more advanced than the team had anticipated, and his transition to pro ball has been nearly seamless. Hahn did downplay, to an extent, the rumors surrounding a potential September callup for Rodon: “…ultimately the decision to bring him up or not bring him up is going to be about what’s best for his long-term development. We’re going to have to be real cautious before we decide just to bring him up and run him out there in big league games this year.”


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/central-notes-polanco-wada-twins-sox-rodon.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on August 25, 2014, 07:36:40 pm
OK, so what would be wrong about bringing him up for a few appearances?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 25, 2014, 07:53:14 pm
That's just GM-speak for "we probably will".
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on August 25, 2014, 08:31:25 pm
If biaz K's 300 times, he might also hit 50HRs playing 2nd.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 26, 2014, 12:14:54 am
righthanded hitter has 19 jacks, but he’s also struck out 148 times and is hitting just .201.

Javier Baez is doing that and everyone loves him.

I think he's on pace for over 300 Ks over a full season.




Mr. Cub described Baez's game perfectly at 1:44 in the video:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWD9w5PyzCM
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 30, 2014, 09:47:50 pm
De Aza:  He Gone.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/orioles-acquire-alejandro-de-aza.html


Surprised at what we got... more than a bucket of balls
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 30, 2014, 11:05:17 pm

I'd sure like the idea of Victor replacing the "Big Donkey" next year but only if he doesn't receive a qualifying offer from Detroit:


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/white-sox-to-pursue-victor-martinez-in-free-agency.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/white-sox-to-pursue-victor-martinez-in-free-agency.html)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 31, 2014, 08:18:19 am
One is a starter who does not throw hard. The other is a reliever, not a closer, just a reliever, who throws harder.

Miguel Chalas, rhp
Age: 22

Signed out of the Dominican Republic in 2010, Chalas reached Triple-A for his past two appearances, which could have been a showcase for the righthander, who had not pitched above high Class A in four years in the organization prior to that. Chalas throws a four-seam fastball from 90-93 and a fringe breaking ball described as a slurve. He’s pitched in relief the past two seasons after starting the first two in the organization and pitches largely to contact, averaging fewer than seven strikeouts per nine.


Mark Blackmar, rhp
Age: 22

The son of PGA senior golfer Phil Blackmar, Mark is an athletic 6-foot-3, 215-pound righthander with a three-pitch mix. His cutter/slider is his best pitch, and he also fills the strike zone with a lively 87-91 mph fastball and a developing changeup. He sliced his walks this season to 2.21/9, but, like Chalas, does not rely on the strikeout, whiffing just 5.30/9 in his minor league career.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on August 31, 2014, 10:49:39 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/athletics-acquire-adam-dunn.html

We got something for Dunn, too.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on August 31, 2014, 10:52:59 am
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa549956&position=P

The guy the Sox get in return.

The Sox will be on the hook for about $1.3M of Dunn's remaining $2.5M.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on August 31, 2014, 10:54:01 am
Most importantly, this gives Paulie an everyday spot in the lineup for a last tour around the league.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on August 31, 2014, 11:03:14 am
It really is a shame how Dunn's career with the Sox turned out. That was a move I absolutely loved at the time...getting a big power hitter who never hit less than 40 HR's in any season and also took a lot of walks. We knew the strikeouts would be part of his game but no one could forsee the epic failure he'd turn into with us.

Still, from everything I've read and seen the guy was a class act and great teammate and I wish him the best. I hope he helps the A's get to the playoffs and has a big hit or two for them.

Funny, the A's come to Chicago next week. I'm sure a lot of the meatball fans that are part of every fanbase will boo him but I hope they're not too hard on him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on August 31, 2014, 11:05:14 am
I bet they'll cheer him. At least I hope so.

Good luck, Adam.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 31, 2014, 11:43:26 am
When I saw on SoxTalk yesterday that Andy Wilkins was called up, I was hoping that meant a Dunn deal was going to happen.

Pleasantly surprised we "got" a million bucks for Dunn, in addition to the schmoe.    Nick work by Hahn (or, thank you Beane for trading Cedpedes!).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 31, 2014, 12:37:10 pm
Most importantly, this gives Paulie an everyday spot in the lineup for a last tour around the league.

I sure hope you're wrong as I'd rather they give those ABs to someone who might be a part of the 2015 White Sox team.  Somebody like Andy Wilkins.  Give him those 80-100 ABs in September to see how he does before they have to decide if they want to pursue VMart in the off-season.

Paulie is history so why would you want to waste those ABs on him?  In the next month, Konerko should only be in the lineup if Abreu or Wilkins need a day of rest. It was a mistake to even bring Paulie back as it was like playing with a 24 man roster for most of the season.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on August 31, 2014, 02:28:50 pm
I don't put a whole lot into September... basically AAAA pitching half the time.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on August 31, 2014, 03:28:29 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/08/white-sox-outright-nestor-molina.html

Molina taken off the 40-man, probably to make room for Rodon.

The White Sox may suck, but there are still Reasons to Watch (Sale, Abreu, and now Rodon).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 31, 2014, 08:46:58 pm
The schmoe we got from Oakland was their 2nd round pick in 2012, a guy that has hit 99 on the radar.

Apparently, Billy is all in this year, and a bit nervous about the lack of offensive production...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on August 31, 2014, 09:09:36 pm
Been a bit injury prone, but I cannot believe we got an actual prospect for Dunn. This guy could be a player.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on September 02, 2014, 08:08:57 am
Kudos to Hahn on that deal then, too!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 01, 2014, 10:47:40 pm

 Tim Dierkes of mlbtraderumors.com is predicting Victor Martinez, Colby Rasmus and Luke Gregerson will all be wearing White Sox uniforms this coming Spring Training:


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/2014-15-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/2014-15-top-50-free-agents-with-predictions.html)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 02, 2014, 07:47:15 am
Not Colby Rasmus!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 02, 2014, 07:51:27 am
I see McCarthy is a FA, he might be a decent fit as a 3rd or 4th starter
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 03, 2014, 12:45:08 pm
I would rather see Nick Markakis, Gregerson and Casey Jannsen.

Rasmus is a 4th OF, although he'd be better than De Aza and Viciedo have ever been defensively for us.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 03, 2014, 02:55:02 pm
Aw, Schucks....


The Indians announced that outfielder J.B. Shuck has been claimed off waivers by the White Sox.

Shuck, 27, posted a solid season with the bat in 2013 with the Angels but struggled to repeat those numbers in 2014.
After hitting .293/.331/.366 last year, he mustered just a .145/.168/.209 batting line between the Angels and Indians this year.
Defensive metrics were very high on Shuck this season, though they saw his work in the outfield corners as average to below average overall in 2013.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/white-sox-claim-j-b-shuck.html

In parts of four seasons at the Triple-A level, Shuck is a .302/.381/.384 hitter. He’ll provide the White Sox with some lefty-hitting depth in the outfield — an area in which the team is currently thin.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 03, 2014, 05:29:25 pm
Real nice OBP thruout the minors. Typically walks more than he Ks. Mostly a singles hitter, not much for extra bases in the minors.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 03, 2014, 07:22:05 pm
Sounds like Dave Gallagher...

(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQxM1gxMDQ3/z/lVsAAOxy7S5R-UH7/$T2eC16h,!ykE9s7tye1hBR-UH68Yhg~~60_35.JPG)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 03, 2014, 07:33:03 pm
I must admit I have never heard of Luke Gregerson, so i had to look him up.  I'm sold -- he has some fine numbers.

Never heard of JB "What the" Shuck, either.   You better not suck, Shuck.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 03, 2014, 11:32:14 pm
I must admit I have never heard of Luke Gregerson, so i had to look him up.  I'm sold -- he has some fine numbers.

Never heard of JB "What the" Shuck, either.   You better not suck, Shuck.



Gregerson is a Chicago area kid.  Born in Park Ridge. Lived in Lyons and attended Morton West High School and then St. Xavier University on the southside.  Lives in the Old Irving Park neighborhood where he listed his house for sale just a couple of days ago:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4335-N-Keeler-Ave-Chicago-IL-60641/3647271_zpid/ (http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4335-N-Keeler-Ave-Chicago-IL-60641/3647271_zpid/)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 04, 2014, 08:05:21 am
I must admit I have never heard of Luke Gregerson, so i had to look him up.  I'm sold -- he has some fine numbers.

Never heard of JB "What the" Shuck, either.   You better not suck, Shuck.

The last time we took a FA reliever who had good stats for a few years, was also from San Diego Padres, was Scott Linebrink. Hope he turns out better than Liney.



Gregerson is a Chicago area kid.  Born in Park Ridge. Lived in Lyons and attended Morton West High School and then St. Xavier University on the southside.  Lives in the Old Irving Park neighborhood where he listed his house for sale just a couple of days ago:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4335-N-Keeler-Ave-Chicago-IL-60641/3647271_zpid/ (http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4335-N-Keeler-Ave-Chicago-IL-60641/3647271_zpid/)



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 06, 2014, 04:40:33 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/white-sox-receiving-interest-in-alexei-ramirez.html

Prolly makes sense if they can get back a near ML ready player. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 06, 2014, 05:37:29 pm
I suppose. I would like to keep him if his influence has anything to do with Abreu (doubtful since it has not worked these past few years with Viciedo).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on November 07, 2014, 03:22:05 am
Booooooooooooo!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 07, 2014, 04:21:06 pm
Dayan Viciedo for Michael Saunders....discuss.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 08, 2014, 03:50:15 pm
(http://www.rantsports.com/mlb/files/2013/04/uspw_7230404.jpg)


Hot Stove Scouting Report: Victor Martinez


http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24941 (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=24941)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on November 08, 2014, 04:42:50 pm
Dayan Viciedo for Michael Saunders....discuss.

Yes please.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 08, 2014, 04:50:26 pm
Dayan Viciedo for Michael Saunders....discuss.

Yes as well. Better OBP, better D, LH bat. Viciedo hit some big homers off Seattle last year, they gotta like him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 08, 2014, 11:33:59 pm
Dayan Viciedo for Michael Saunders....discuss.

Yes as well. Better OBP, better D, LH bat. Viciedo hit some big homers off Seattle last year, they gotta like him.


Only interested in talking about trading Viciedo if they sign Victor Martinez first.   The White Sox have very little power other than Abreu & Viciedo.  In fact, no one else on the roster is a significant HR threat other than those two.  Flowers career high is 15 HRs and that was in 2014.  Who knows what a healthy Avisail Garcia will do as his career high is 7 HRs. Alexei's career high is 21 but that was in 2008.   IMO, in the American League, unless you're a speed and defense team like the Royals, you need 3 or 4 players who are pretty much assured of hitting 20+ HRs in your every day lineup to win. Or two or three every day hitters who hit 25+ HRs.

 If you trade Viciedo and don't sign VMart, Abreu will never see a strike in the late innings with a runner on base and the White Sox trailing by two runs.  Viciedo isn't very good but at least he makes the other team think twice before walking Abreu and letting the potential winning run bat with men on base.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 09, 2014, 08:58:09 am
Good points. But keep him off the field.

I do think Avisail will hit at least 25 in a full season, my gut thinking is even a greater number. I think he is pretty good, and seems to get clutch RBIs. I would think he, as well as a FA LH hitting OF (or even a Saunders) could suffice behind Abreu.  Only thing that keeps me even considering Viciedo is that he is relatively young and our staff is so insistent that he is too good of a hitter to offload.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 09, 2014, 11:56:38 pm
Pablo Sandoval?

Not sure he's worth the money.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/report-white-sox-plan-meet-pablo-sandovals-agent

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 10, 2014, 01:04:28 pm
We don't need him. Sign a platoon partner for Conor. Kevin Kouzmanoff is still my favorite for that role.

Evan Gattis is officially being shopped by Atlanta:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/braves-shopping-evan-gattis.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 10, 2014, 04:24:55 pm
Why go after Panda... if we can have Headley for half the price?

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 10, 2014, 06:22:59 pm
agree.  Conor had a better year last season
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 10, 2014, 07:37:31 pm
I just don't like Conor's defense and because of that I see him as a utility guy, platoon at 3rd, play some first, and pinch hit.

We have to improve e defense significantly if we want to contend.

And another topic, if our payroll as presently $43 million, and I'm hearing we only have $40 million to spend, that brings use almost 25% below our payroll in 2006. With the new national TV contracts, JR's got to be bringing in more revenues than in 2006,even with the reduced attendance. I wish we had a less cheapo owner.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 11, 2014, 07:49:07 am
White Sox GM Rick Hahn expects his team to mentioned in a flood of trade rumors this offseason, though he doesn’t mind since this winter, some of them will be true.  “We aren’t going to be precluded from any single player because of running up against the limits of our payroll.  And in terms of the rumors, we’ve always operated under the standpoint that we’re going to be involved in any premium player that’s available, whether it’s via free agency or via trade,” Hahn told reporters.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/quick-hits-hahn-street-kim-breslow-mets.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 11, 2014, 08:38:14 am
I know the Sox need to fix their woeful bullpen but I really want to see them sign a big bat. The offense still needs work too and we could use more power. Hahn has a lot of work to do.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 11, 2014, 10:22:56 am
Something to read:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/24798062/south-siders-shouldnt-be-overlooked-sandoval-others-on-radar
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 12, 2014, 03:15:13 pm
What would you trade to San Diego for this guy?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rossty01.shtml
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 12, 2014, 05:09:58 pm
What would you trade to San Diego for this guy?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rossty01.shtml

Danks.  Both of them.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 12, 2014, 06:09:25 pm
Would SD take that pile of crap for this promising prospect? I highly doubt it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 12, 2014, 07:22:07 pm
Would SD take that pile of crap for this promising prospect? I highly doubt it.

Prospect?  He's twenty-seven and will turn 28 next April.  That's not a "promising prospect" but, at best, a "late bloomer".

ISF didn't ask what would it take to get him.  Just what I'd trade for him.  Heck, I'd give them both Danks brothers for a dozen used baseballs if they'd pick-up the $28.5 million left on John's contract.



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 12, 2014, 08:25:29 pm
Would SD take that pile of crap for this promising prospect? I highly doubt it.

Prospect?  He's twenty-seven and will turn 28 next April.  That's not a "promising prospect" but, at best, a "late bloomer".

ISF didn't ask what would it take to get him.  Just what I'd trade for him.  Heck, I'd give them both Danks brothers for a dozen used baseballs if they'd pick-up the $28.5 million left on John's contract.





OK, prospect was a poor choice of words.

I however, am yet a bit of a John Danks fan, and I am hoping that one more year removed from surgery he gets a few more MPH on his stuff. I know he will not be worth what he makes, but as a 4th or 5th starter he is worthwhile. He can get on streaks and eat innings.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 12, 2014, 08:56:33 pm
What about Danks for Kemp + 20 million!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 12, 2014, 08:57:34 pm
 Big fan of giving russell martin 4/75 right now and taking him off the market as well.

Then lets go get Hamels contract and see how things go!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 13, 2014, 08:19:42 am
Almost 20M per season for Russell Martin. Nobody is that good on defense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 13, 2014, 11:34:07 am
We're going to have a lot of young pitchers coming up... and having him around would be a real asset... plus C is black hole for this team right now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 13, 2014, 06:34:49 pm
Ross is a K machine. He isn't a prospect, he's a #2 starter.

If we need LH power and relief help, I'm beginning to think we should put together a blockbuster with Atlanta. I've already mentioned Gattis,
now there's rumors this guy is trade bait as well...

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/waldejo01.shtml
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 13, 2014, 06:54:32 pm
I think the sox would be better off going for  bad contracts on other teams then looking for young cost controlled pieces or FA splashes.

Gattis is already 28... and he has a rather horrid plate discipline. As his bat speed declines its only going to get worse.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 14, 2014, 08:31:13 am
We're going to have a lot of young pitchers coming up... and having him around would be a real asset... plus C is black hole for this team right now.

The Dodgers and Cubs are both going hard for Martin which means the Sox don't stand a chance of competing with their money.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 14, 2014, 09:04:13 am
I can live with the second half Flowers. If he goes back to how he was offensively I do not think that makes up for what the staff likes in his defense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 18, 2014, 11:38:42 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/dodgers-aggressively-pursuing-alexei-ramirez.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 18, 2014, 11:54:03 am
Sox sign Zach Duke.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 18, 2014, 01:00:57 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/white-sox-to-sign-zach-duke.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 18, 2014, 02:02:49 pm
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

#WhiteSox liked Duke’s results after he lowered arm angle last season. Mixed in cutter more, similar results vs. RH and LHs, Ks, grounders
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 18, 2014, 04:03:13 pm
Good move
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 18, 2014, 05:47:43 pm

here's the story from whitesox.com:



(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/4/1/0/51712410/cuts/Zach_Duke_eok3qpsk_8aiyoh37.jpg)

Left-hander Duke joins White Sox with three-year deal
Reliever signs $15 million free-agent contract


http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101804372/left-handed-reliever-zach-duke-signs-three-year-deal-with-white-sox (http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/101804372/left-handed-reliever-zach-duke-signs-three-year-deal-with-white-sox)



Chicago Tribune story on the signing:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-zach-duke-20141118-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-zach-duke-20141118-story.html)



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 19, 2014, 11:53:56 am
Dodgers want Alexi...

I know its probably never going to happen but maybe they take Danks as well...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 19, 2014, 02:02:24 pm
what do we get back?  I don't care about dumping Danks as much as I care about getting a really good young player back
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 19, 2014, 02:55:57 pm
I do not want Ethier or Crawford. I would take Puig for Ramirez and Danks. I would take Kemp.   They have a real good young OF prospect, Joc Pederson. I would take him along with others for Ramirez.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 19, 2014, 03:25:56 pm
no way would the Dodgers trade Pederson even up for Alexi, let alone adding others to the deal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 19, 2014, 03:55:56 pm
Then they do not want him bad enough. We hold all the cards in this one.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 19, 2014, 04:05:14 pm
Alexi for Kemp and Pederson.

Thats a revenue neutral deal for dodgers... Joc's excess value offsets kemps craptastic contract.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 19, 2014, 07:20:28 pm
msf of all people, you who value prospects the most, you thnk the Dodgers would value two years of Alexi over their number one prospect, who looks like a stud?
 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 19, 2014, 07:22:31 pm
I can't imagine the Dodgers dealing Joc, even if Kemp were part of it. Also, can;t imagine JR taking on that salary. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 19, 2014, 08:29:10 pm
I can't imagine the Dodgers dealing Joc, even if Kemp were part of it. Also, can;t imagine JR taking on that salary. 

If Danks salary went the other way, but I really do not want Kemp either.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 19, 2014, 08:30:19 pm
msf of all people, you who value prospects the most, you thnk the Dodgers would value two years of Alexi over their number one prospect, who looks like a stud?
 

Teams like the Dodgers are willing to trade any prospect. Alexei for 2 years, with a likelihood of resigning him, makes them a much better team than Pederson over their current OFs.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 19, 2014, 08:51:06 pm
Who knows?  This "Joc" fella might be the next Corey Patterson.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 19, 2014, 09:32:40 pm
Or more on target, Jeremy reed, Brian Anderson, Ryan Sweeney, J Mitchel, etc.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 19, 2014, 11:18:43 pm
.... or the next Mike Trout.    Guess the point is that prospects, no matter how hyped, aren't necessarily as valuable as proven veterans.

I'm in the camp of "we don't have to trade Alexei, and we could use him, so if you want him, you have to pay a lot."   Hahn should be in no hurry, as Alexei could be even more valuable at the 2015 trade deadline.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 20, 2014, 07:15:31 am
.... or the next Mike Trout.    Guess the point is that prospects, no matter how hyped, aren't necessarily as valuable as proven veterans.

I'm in the camp of "we don't have to trade Alexei, and we could use him, so if you want him, you have to pay a lot."   Hahn should be in no hurry, as Alexei could be even more valuable at the 2015 trade deadline.

Exactly. You know the Dodgers want him to be there for Puig. Same reason we like Alexei. But we have no backup SS in the system who is within 2 years of being a starting SS.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 20, 2014, 09:04:35 am
Alexei could be even more valuable at the 2015 trade deadline

And he could have a terrible first half making his trade value next to nothing.....or get injured. There's always risk involved.

But I do agree that the Sox hold all the leverage in this case and should not give him up unless someone pays up big.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 20, 2014, 09:23:04 am
For all his hype, Pederson is an OF prospect. OFs are a dime a dozen. Alexei was one of the most productive players in the league at a premium position.

I like Pederson, but I would not trade Alexei straight up for him, and certainly would not trade for Kemp.
To get Alexei, I'd need Pederson and at least one of LA's surplus pitchers. Given our need for bullpen help, I'd take Yimi Garcia.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 20, 2014, 09:40:43 am
Alexei could be even more valuable at the 2015 trade deadline

And he could have a terrible first half making his trade value next to nothing.....or get injured. There's always risk involved.

But I do agree that the Sox hold all the leverage in this case and should not give him up unless someone pays up big.

Yeah, he does have that bad habit of starting really slow, except for this past year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 20, 2014, 09:42:41 am
For all his hype, Pederson is an OF prospect. OFs are a dime a dozen. Alexei was one of the most productive players in the league at a premium position.

I like Pederson, but I would not trade Alexei straight up for him, and certainly would not trade for Kemp.
To get Alexei, I'd need Pederson and at least one of LA's surplus pitchers. Given our need for bullpen help, I'd take Yimi Garcia.



Oh, for sure ISF, it would take Pederson and pitching to get the best SS in the AL. I agree to stay away from Kemp and I also suggest staying away from Ethier and Crawford. I may take a SP, as I think Hahn is going to get 2-3 relievers off the FA market.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 20, 2014, 10:37:52 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/white-sox-weighing-pursuit-of-melky-cabrera.html

One possible ending of the Dayan Viciedo era.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 20, 2014, 03:57:35 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/white-sox-weighing-pursuit-of-melky-cabrera.html

One possible ending of the Dayan Viciedo era.

Melky can play nice D as well. He would be ideal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 21, 2014, 08:56:14 am

Olney also hears that the White Sox‘ asking price on Alexei Ramirez is “steep to the degree that you’d want to be buying in for two to three years.”
Ramirez is guaranteed $10MM next season and has a $10MM club option for the 2016 season with a $1MM buyout.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/trade-notes-porcello-ramirez-upton-kendrick-padres.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 21, 2014, 09:28:11 am
that is great news. I hope we get our ask from someone.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 21, 2014, 07:14:41 pm
The White Sox have signed first baseman Adam LaRoche to a two-year, $25 million deal, according to the USA Today. CBSSports.com Baseball Insider Jon Heyman has confirmed the move.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 21, 2014, 09:12:13 pm
I like the deal a lot. I've watched LaRoche the last four years as a Nat. The best things about him are that he hits in clutch situations and his defense is slick (despite what the sabers say). he'll help save Abreu's legs.

Now if we can also get Gregorson, and another reliever, plus trade ARam for value, I'll be happy.

I'm all for trading Alexie for the most value we can get because we will never have more leverage than now. First I think 2016 is our first year of contention not 2015, second, we'd be selling Alexie high, he's likely not getting another silver slugger next year, and  third, there so many teams that desperately need a shortstop this year Dodgers, Yankees, Mets,etc.





 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 22, 2014, 08:25:31 am
I agree with what you say Juan.

I really would like to keep Alexei, but if we get the right deal we need to do it. We would likely suck at SS for a while, unless we got a decent one back. Semien, Saladino, Garcia and Sanchez can all play it, just not sure at at a Major League level.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on November 22, 2014, 07:11:47 pm

the White Sox inked left-handed reliever Joe Savery


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/minor-moves-buck-britton-carlos-triunfel.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 22, 2014, 07:31:02 pm

the White Sox inked left-handed reliever Joe Savery


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/minor-moves-buck-britton-carlos-triunfel.html

2 other Minor League FAs besides Savery signed. SS Juan Diaz from the Marlins and RHP Logan Kensing from the Mariners. Savery was with the A's.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 22, 2014, 08:08:52 pm
the White Sox inked left-handed reliever Joe Savery


Not exactly a "sweet" move...   heh...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 24, 2014, 09:48:17 am
Buster Olney more than once recently has referred to the AL Central as no longer being a weak division:

Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN  ·  Nov 21
AL Central just gets better and better: Royals AL champs, Tigers, Indians pitching, and now more White Sox improvement. A power division.


Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN  ·  Nov 22
A once-weak division is gaining strength.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 24, 2014, 02:59:59 pm
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/instagraphs/white-sox-sign-andrew-miller-lite/


Fangraphs likes Duke a lot.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 01, 2014, 04:31:12 pm
Dayan Viciedo for Yasmani Grandal...discuss...

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 01, 2014, 05:20:17 pm
gonna take more than DV to get Grandal
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 01, 2014, 05:47:55 pm
http://isportsweb.com/2014/12/01/chicago-white-sox-rumors-third-base-options/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+isportsweb+%28isportsweb%29

hard to take douches like this seriously
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 01, 2014, 06:31:52 pm
I'm still in the "sign Kevin Kouzmanoff and platoon him with Gillaspie" camp.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 02, 2014, 09:20:28 am
who is the preferred player, Melky or Markakis?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 02, 2014, 02:24:32 pm
who is the preferred player, Melky or Markakis?


tough call.  Melky's been the better hitter over the last three seasons and he's a year younger than Markakis.  Markakis is the better defensive outfielder and he's not been caught up in any PED scandals.  Melky's a switch hitter, Markakis is a lefty.  Melky was given a qualifying offer so signing him would cost the White Sox their 2nd rounder.  The Orioles didn't offer Markakis the qualifying offer so his signing doesn't cost anyone a draft choice. Signing Markakis would make Juan pizzaro happy.  I'd like which ever one ends up cheaper in $$ and length of contract.  If they both cost the same in $$ & length of contract, I'd rather have Markakis since he's better defensively and the White Sox would lose their 2nd round pick this coming June.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 02, 2014, 10:05:34 pm
I say neither... i think yous are all drinking a lot of Koolaid... this team is a lot further from contention then most think...

Simmer down.. stop trying to reach for lighthing in a bottle... give up assets like Q for real building blocks and target 2016 to start our new window to compete... stop trying to short change the rebuild to compete now... its a fools errand.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 03, 2014, 09:13:49 am
I'd like to see us try and sign Kyle Blanks and Alexi Ogando to minor league deals.

Ogando has been effective when healthy and his FIP was under 4 despite his bloated ERA last year.

Blanks shows good contact rates and pretty equal splits between RH and LH. At worst he'd be a nice replacement for De Aza's spot as 4th OF.
Might be a good replacement for Viciedo should we dump him on someone else. Both would be cheap upgrades at positions of need.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 03, 2014, 05:24:36 pm
who is the preferred player, Melky or Markakis?


tough call.  Melky's been the better hitter over the last three seasons and he's a year younger than Markakis.  Markakis is the better defensive outfielder and he's not been caught up in any PED scandals.  Melky's a switch hitter, Markakis is a lefty.  Melky was given a qualifying offer so signing him would cost the White Sox their 2nd rounder.  The Orioles didn't offer Markakis the qualifying offer so his signing doesn't cost anyone a draft choice. Signing Markakis would make Juan pizzaro happy.  I'd like which ever one ends up cheaper in $$ and length of contract.  If they both cost the same in $$ & length of contract, I'd rather have Markakis since he's better defensively and the White Sox would lose their 2nd round pick this coming June.



I recall Melky being a decent LF for the Giants. I like his bat way more than Markakis. I think we can do better than either honestly.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 03, 2014, 07:35:06 pm
Like who msf? DeAza? There are no other decent FA outfielders left after Melky, and Markakus was had for only 4 years and $11 mill per.  Any other decent outfielder we can get in a trade that's better than Melky will cost us dearly in both dollars and players we give up.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 03, 2014, 08:37:09 pm
Not sure, maybe there are not any. I would take Melky, would have taken Markakis but not for what he got. Cripes, 50 RBI and he played all year??
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 03, 2014, 09:09:55 pm
Markakus batted second, and with the O's power lineup last year he probably didn't have many opportunities as by time he got up the runs had been driven in. The O's led baseball with over 200 HR's.. In any event he would have been much cheaper than Melkey will command, probably 15 mil. I'd now rather see the remaining money go towards relief pitching and a starter. We'll have to live with Viciedo in lf one more year, in a platoon role, or give up the farm in a trade.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 04, 2014, 07:31:37 am
There are some non-tenders going on of late, maybe a decent OF will come available.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 04, 2014, 09:21:59 am
Well, one alternative is gone. Mariners send Saunders to Blue Jays for JA Happ.

Good trade for both teams, IMO:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/mariners-blue-jays-swap-michael-saunders-j-a-happ.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 05, 2014, 12:57:59 pm
John Danks for Andre Ethier....discuss.

Salaries are fairly equivalent.
Ethier has one more year on contract than Danks, but he's also been a pretty consistent .270/.360 hitter good for about 3.0 WAR when playing regularly.

Danks is younger, but outside a 3-yr stretch from 08-10, has been a below-average pitcher.

Would free up a rotation spot for Rodon, allow us to trade Viciedo.

Would LA do it? I imagine they would. They are stocked with OF and Danks' deal has one less year on it.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 05, 2014, 03:50:08 pm
If Dodgers are really going after lester... i dont think they need danks...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 05, 2014, 04:07:50 pm
I think they would still be interested because they always like having deep depth at starting pitching, and they could also use him in long relief. Plus they get rid of Ethier.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 05, 2014, 04:36:57 pm
If it means we are dumping Dayan... i'm all for it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 05, 2014, 04:54:36 pm
Rodon is in the rotation whether or not Danks is. He takes Carroll's spot or whomever's spot you want to call it. We move Danks we need to get another starter. I want Bassitt in the pen.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2014, 10:05:10 pm
I think they (the Dodgers) would still be interested because they always like having deep depth at starting pitching, and they could also use him in long relief.    Plus they get rid of Ethier.

So do, and could, the White Sox.   Plus they don't get Ethier.




Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 05, 2014, 10:39:20 pm
I think Ethier could have a bounce back in the Cell.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 06, 2014, 07:20:08 am
Flip of a coin on Ethier. I could see him doing real well, but I could see him being a bust too, and a bad influence on young guys. Not a big fan of his obviously.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 08, 2014, 08:28:58 am
From MLBTR: The White Sox look like the favorites to acquire Jeff Samardzija from the Athletics, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (Twitter link).  The two sides were known to have recently discussed a deal involving the right-hander.

Has KW written all over it, if they trade top prospects.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 08, 2014, 08:52:27 am
The Sox aren't trading top prospects for 1 yr of  Samardzija (unless maybe if the trade comes with an extension already in place). But Hahn is not stupid and this is Hahn's team, not KW's. Kenny may have some input but he's not the one leading trades anymore. I'm sure Hahn wants his own fingerprints on the team he's trying to put together.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 08, 2014, 08:56:50 am
I sure hope you are right.  Maybe we trade an Eric Johnson and Semien.  But to include Anderson would be pure idiocy. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 08, 2014, 08:58:32 am
This is getting scary. Might be too quick to be doing this crap.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 09:20:23 am
I thought we were allin for this year... we need to hang onto our starting pitching etc etc.

KW needs to take that Jays job ASAP.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 08, 2014, 09:51:23 am
OK, guess we are. Sounds like we are in on Robertson too. I love his numbers, but he has pitched in over 60 games quite a few years in a row now. Give up any minor leaguers other than Montas, Rodon and Anderson.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 09:54:16 am
i think Robertson talk is smoke and mirrors, probably started by the agent once yankees signed Miller.... we arnt going to give a reliever Papelbon money... do hope we get melky though...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 08, 2014, 10:02:44 am
where is Robertson rumor coming from?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 08, 2014, 10:08:34 am
where is Robertson rumor coming from?

I saw it on SoxTalk, but there were some tweets from someone behind the discussion.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 10:12:50 am
White Sox Interested In David Robertson
By Mark Polishuk [December 8, 2014 at 3:30am CST]
The White Sox are the latest team to express interest in closer David Robertson, George A. King III of the New York Post reports.  “They like him a lot and he is definitely on their radar,’’ a source tells King. “They have several things they want to do and he is one of them.”

Robertson is looking for a contract in the four-year, $50MM range and the Sox are reportedly “aren’t blanching” over the idea of giving the closer that big a guarantee, King writes.  Chicago’s first round pick (eighth overall) is protected, so they’d only have to give up their second-rounder as compensation to sign Robertson, who rejected the Yankees’ qualifying offer.  Robertson would provide a major boost to a White Sox bullpen that posted a cumulative 4.38 ERA in 2014, the third-highest mark in baseball.

The Astros, Blue Jays and Yankees are three of at least a half-dozen clubs who have shown interest in Robertson, though King cites reasons why all three could bow out of the race.  The Jays may not be willing to meet Robertson’s asking price, the Astros “don’t believe Robertson wants to pitch for them” and the Yankees would prefer to give their former stopper a deal closer to the $40MM threshold.  New York had also been hesitant to give Robertson more than three guaranteed years, though the team “may be softening” in that respect.


I think it started with MLBtraderumors.com... above is the latest they have on robertson
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 08, 2014, 10:20:54 am
One thing to keep in mind if we trade for Samardzija; the minimum would not only one year of his service, but also a high draft pick if he leaves the following year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 10:22:02 am
If robertson wants to take a 3 year deal.. i am ok with them giving him more $$$...

but 4 years is asking for trouble.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 10:23:33 am
One thing to keep in mind if we trade for Samardzija; the minimum would not only one year of his service, but also a high draft pick if he leaves the following year.

Unless a team that is in the bottom 15 signs him... then we get a 2nd rounder that isnt all that awesome...

I think if Sam wants to resign with us... make it happen... i'm all for adding a TOR arm even while rebuilding the roster.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 08, 2014, 10:56:58 am
I think if Sam wants to resign with us... make it happen

Saw on Twitter that the A's are denying teams a negotiating window. With all the teams looking at him, Sam is probably thinking he could hit it big as a FA. Not sure he's the one I'd want to pony up all that money to until I see how he does with the Sox or at least in the AL the entire year.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 11:10:32 am
If no negotiating window... dont do the trade... we are too far from being a legit contender.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 11:43:55 am
Brandon Moss (As) to the Indians for Joe Windle.

Windle is a 24 year old MI prospect... he didnt rank in the top 10 for the indians on prospect lists...

Moss has 2 years before FA... if thats the type of return beane is willing to take on Sam... pull the trigger.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 08, 2014, 02:33:43 pm

The White Sox have claimed catcher Rob Brantly off waivers from the Marlins, Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com reports on Twitter.

Brantly, 25, joins a crowded group of backstop options in Chicago and could have a chance to compete for a backup job with his new club.
He had a strong debut in limited action in 2013, but struggled last year to a .211/.263/.265 slash over 243 plate appearances.
 The Marlins originally acquired Brantly in the Anibal Sanchez trade.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/white-sox-claim-rob-brantly-from-marlins.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 08, 2014, 06:51:39 pm
LH hitting C, taken in 3rd round out of Cal-Riverside. This guy might be a decent backup for Flowers and let Nieto get some work in the minors.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 08, 2014, 09:10:59 pm
I might be willing to trade ARam for Smar. They get two years of Alexie, we get one of Smar plus a draft pick and faster development of Sanchez/Semien/MJohnson.

Then go all out on David Robertson. If Hamell is worth 9-10 million, then an elite closer should be at least as much. If we did that, we'd still have nearly 20 million left to spend. But I would NOT go after Melky. Maybe Colby Rasmus on a one year deal where he could reestablish his value.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 09:45:46 pm
Sam to the wsox for Marcus Seimen + prospects..

I had high hopes for Marcus... but if we its C level prospects... not a bad move at all.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 09:47:08 pm
A's expected to make Marcus their SS.

(all of this is via Jeff Passan on Twitter)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 08, 2014, 09:52:15 pm
who are the prospects?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 08, 2014, 09:56:52 pm
It isn't a done deal yet.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/latest-jeff-samardzija-trade-rumors.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 10:01:23 pm
No idea on who the prospects are... if they are not looking to announce tonight.. sounds like a play to get more out of another team.

Semien + lower prospects sounded to good to be true anyway... we'd get a 2 back when shark walks... or even more if sold at the deadline...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 08, 2014, 10:21:37 pm
found this out on the other possible prospects

Multiple Sources: Jeff #Samardzija to White #Sox for Marcus Semien, Tyler Danish and Trey Michalczewski.

I would not like that deal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 08, 2014, 10:29:45 pm
Of the three, Danish is he only one I hate to give up.    Then again, the Sox are getting an established #2 RHSP for a schmoe and two unproven 20-year olds. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 10:46:02 pm
Juan, nice find on the info.

Danish might be sneaky good like sonny gray is...

But hard to hate on a trade that gets you a year of a high end pitcher + a 2nd if he walks... for a 2nd rounder (danish) + 6th and 7th (semien and michalczweksi)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2014, 10:46:53 pm
Forgot to mention... Sam grew up a White Sox fan from what i have read... so getting him for a year might lead to him signing a long term contract with the Sox.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 08, 2014, 11:45:58 pm
Got to check the Sox roster to see if both #29 and #30 are available.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 08, 2014, 11:49:10 pm
It appears they are, so the new guys are all set.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 09, 2014, 12:06:38 am
Of the three, Danish is he only one I hate to give up.    Then again, the Sox are getting an established #2 RHSP for a schmoe and two unproven 20-year olds.



I'm not happy if they're giving up Tyler Danish. 

However I'd volunteer to drive Marcus Semien to the airport for the flight if he wasn't already in the Bay Area.  ;D


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2014, 12:09:04 am
Hell yeah, Danish stays, as does the other 20 year old.      Marcus Semien, Trayce Thompson & Chris Beck.

  Schmoe, schmoe-wanna-be, and schmoe.    Me likey.


edit:  sounds like ESPN got fooled by a fake twitter account (which is awesome, BTW).   That's what I get for watching SportsCenter.   Anyhoo, guess this "package" was too good to be true.


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2014, 01:05:22 am
Uh oh, now the wonks are saying The Hound might be going to Oakland.   Oh well, I'll find another guy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2014, 07:55:42 am
Great. Now I have to learn how to spell Samardzija.

Hell of a Scrabble name, at least.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 09, 2014, 08:27:07 am
Uh oh, now the wonks are saying The Hound might be going to Oakland.   Oh well, I'll find another guy.

I for one really like Semien. He is going to be a damn nice clutch hitting middle infielder. As Andy has pointed out, he had lots of problems at 3B, but he is a natural SS. We will see, he was not considered as a replacement for Alexei, so hard to believe they will play him at SS. I hate losing the Hound, but for Samardija, meh.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2014, 09:20:19 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/2014-ultimate-free-agent-tracker-020415285.html

Top SP's still available:
Scherzer
Lester
Shields
McCarthy
Ervin Santana
Liriano (ha)
Brett Anderson
Masterson

I'd like to see the Sox get Anderson as a low-cost, high-ceiling guy. Not sure what he has left in the tank. He's still 26, and when he's pitched, he's pitched very well.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2014, 09:23:22 am
Anderson would spend a lot of  time on the DL...

I'd still love to add James Shields on a short contract...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 09, 2014, 09:26:52 am
The problem is James Shields doesn't want a short contract. He's looking for a 5 yr contract and it's probably likely someone will give it to him, especially one of the teams that lose out on Lester.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2014, 09:28:45 am
Shields would be my ideal target.

Anderson would likely spend a lot of time on the DL, but if he doesn't, he would be an incredible #5 option.
I wonder if he would hold up as a reliever....?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2014, 09:37:06 am
Get Scherzer!   Really go for it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 09, 2014, 09:46:59 am
Anderson has 200 inning in 4 years. Twins are looking at him. That is a guy who must be very injury prone.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2014, 09:50:04 am
For sure... and giving him a high AAV might hamper us elsewhere. but if we are all in.. might as well spend more of JR's money!

This off-season so far has been a lot more fun then i initially anticipated! I never thought JR would green light a 45 million dollar contract for an RP.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 09, 2014, 09:52:30 am
The Sox must be having a good offseason if David Kaplan is even singing their praises:

David Kaplan ‏@thekapman  14m14 minutes ago
#WhiteSox trade to acquire Jeff Smaradzija is official. We just spoke w/Sox VP Kenny Williams who says the team hopes to keep him long term.


David Kaplan ‏@thekapman  43m43 minutes ago
Give Kenny Williams and Rick Hahn a lot of credit for thinking big and delivering. Phenomenal off season. #WhiteSox

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2014, 10:04:15 am
Last report from soxtalk about 3rd person being beck appears to be inaccurate... info was from the fake Rosenthal twitter account.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 09, 2014, 10:59:13 am
better not be Adams.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 09, 2014, 11:05:05 am
Nothing like a trade and signing to liven up this place.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2014, 11:31:27 am
4 players to Oakland 2 to Sox now being reported
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2014, 11:33:55 am
Apparently Phegley and Rangel Ravelo are heading there.

Losing Ravelo hurts a bit... but can't make chicken soup out of chicken ****, I suppose. Pretty prototypical A's guy... solid but unspectacular numbers, good OBP.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2014, 11:34:48 am
Phegley and Ravelo to As.  Pitcher coming back
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2014, 11:35:24 am
we send Bassitt, Semien, Ravelo, Phegley

We also get Michael Ynoa.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 09, 2014, 11:35:44 am
Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 6s6 seconds ago
Six player trade confirmed by Source Four players to Oakland:  Ravelo, Phegley Simien Bassett for Samardzija and Michael Ynoa
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2014, 11:40:14 am
That's 4 guys off our 40-man, 3 added (including Robertson).   That puts the 40-man at 39.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2014, 11:57:26 am
I hope the trading is done. Would require a really good prospect to get anything that helps us next year.  Unless Viciedo + a Leury gets you an upgrade in LF
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2014, 12:12:18 pm
I'm ok with the 4 we lost... that means adams/beck are safe... phegley and rangel wont be huge losses.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 09, 2014, 12:28:54 pm
I'm ok with the 4 we lost... that means adams/beck are safe... phegley and rangel wont be huge losses.

Exactly. Even if we lose him to FA after a year it still would have been worth the ****.

Now I just hope Samardijza cuts his hair.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2014, 12:39:08 pm
Now I just hope Samardijza cuts his hair.

Blasphemy!   Numbers 6:5
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2014, 12:46:54 pm
Michael Ynoa was rated the #5 prospect in the A's system before 2014. Looks like a high ceiling guy who can't stay healthy... though it looks like they converted him to the bullpen for 2014.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/88930

Not bad as a throw-in.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 09, 2014, 12:48:26 pm
Semien, Ravelo and Phegley were all OBP guys in the minors. All had decent power as well. Ravelo was really coming into his own. I like the trade, even if it is a rental.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2014, 12:52:42 pm
I do hate losing the OBP guys when we still have hawkins/thompson around as trade bait.

Maybe we are in on hamels?

Ynoa is a exciting arm for the Bullpen... so lets say he's even with the Hound... that means we gave up 3 bats for 1 year of sam... not terrible.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2014, 12:57:56 pm
1 year of Sam is damn nice.

Also remember what the A's gave up for Lester last year... Lester (rental) for Cespedes. They also got Jonny Gomes ($$ dump) with Lester.

I bet Hahn could turn Samardzija into something useful if we're out of contention at the deadline. If not, then we get a pick for him in 2016.

I don't know about you, but I have faith in Hahn's drafting ability.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2014, 12:59:56 pm
I'd have a lot more faith in his drafting ability if KW were gone. This last draft was really nice... getting adams in the 2nd round was a great get.

I still feel if KW is around next year we will spend our top 5 picks on toolsy 2-sport outfielders who are very athletic but have no clue how to play baseball (kinda like KW himself).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 09, 2014, 01:43:34 pm
I'm glad we got Samardzija
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 09, 2014, 02:30:43 pm
The Sox are clearly a better team today and looking to get better. We saw what the Royals did last year and the Indians are not far behind from being very good too.  Although yes, the Tigers are still better than the Sox, they are no longer the clear cut favorites as they had been the past few years. Does this put pressure on the Tigers to try to re-sign Scherzer now AND keep Price?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 09, 2014, 02:35:12 pm
Okay, not even 5 minutes after that post I came across this tidbit:

Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN  57m57 minutes ago
The Tigers' focus is on retaining Max Scherzer. They are prepared to spend big, big dollars. Want to keep Price for 2015, too.


Wonder if they'll try to keep Price beyond 2015? Although that might be too expensive even for the Tigers.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on December 09, 2014, 09:47:23 pm
Don't stop now, boys!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 09, 2014, 11:15:58 pm
Boat!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 10, 2014, 09:28:23 am

The Mariners have renewed interest in outfielder Dayan Viciedo, Bob Dutton of the Tacoma News Tribune reports.
 The White Sox have reportedly told teams that Viciedo is available via trade.

The Mariners’ recent attempts to find an outfielder (a position where they’re thin, especially after trading Michael Saunders to Toronto) have, at least so far, come up short.
They’ve reportedly bowed out on Matt Kemp, and Dutton writes that their negotiations with Melky Cabrera have reached an impasse.
The Mariners also reportedly spoke to the White Sox about a Viciedo trade last July.

Viciedo, 25, is a right-handed hitter with good power, with 21 home runs last season.
 But he hit just .231/.281/.405 in 563 plate appearances in 2014, and he’s also a weak defender in either outfield corner.
 The Mariners would likely be hoping for improvement if they acquired him.
He’s projected to make $4.4MM through the arbitration process next year, and he has two years of arbitration eligibility remaining after that.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/mariners-again-interested-in-dayan-viciedo.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 10, 2014, 09:57:26 am
The Score is reporting that Hahnosaurus is talking to the Rays about Longoria?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 10, 2014, 12:38:33 pm
Smoke screen... longo has just a super friendly contract... he makes only 11 mill next year.

We dont have the prospects that tampa would want back.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 10, 2014, 02:34:30 pm
Need a Hahn under the radar photo, ala Boat's for KW. At least our GMs negotiate out of the press.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on December 10, 2014, 08:19:43 pm
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Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on December 10, 2014, 08:20:09 pm
Blackie!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 11, 2014, 07:18:24 am
Apparently the Sox have talked to Sergio Santos, whose option was declined by Toronto last month.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: 4nek8 on December 11, 2014, 08:26:04 am
Wow, nice upgrades by the Sox!  I might actually watch their games in 2015...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 11, 2014, 10:41:38 am
Tigers trade Porcello for Cespedes. I like that as a Sox fan. Tigers then trade for Alfredo Simon for their rotation.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 11, 2014, 10:51:05 am
How can money be getting tight? I thought we had like 46M left to spend prior to meetings. 10 to Robertson and 10 or so for Samardzija, should leave at least 20-25M to spend.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 11, 2014, 11:04:02 am
I think that $46 mm figure was 2015 commitments going into the off-season...  before signing Duke and LaRoache, and also don't include arbitration guys and renewal guys.   They have it figured out n SoxTalk somewhere.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 11, 2014, 11:09:54 am
Sox get Dan Jennings from Miami for Andre Rienzo
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 11, 2014, 11:17:19 am
Nice move for the bullpen.

I'd really like more one solid bat in the lineup to really start rounding out this team.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 11, 2014, 12:34:05 pm
Nice move for the bullpen.

I'd really like more one solid bat in the lineup to really start rounding out this team.

Duke, Jennings and maybe Rodon. Not a bad set of LHs in the pen. Just hope they are more successful than our last years LHs.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 11, 2014, 12:40:33 pm
Want another reliever?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/white-sox-mariners-in-serious-talks-on-dayan-viciedo.html

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 11, 2014, 01:24:21 pm
Once Dayan is gone they sign Melky. Book it!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 11, 2014, 04:35:39 pm
I don't think we can pay $37 million to our four new guys, plus the raises owed to our arbitration eligibles, and still have the $15 million or so Melkey is likely to request.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 12, 2014, 09:44:08 am
I hope you are wrong, Juan. 

Blackie, what hear you around the campfire?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 12, 2014, 10:16:21 am
I bet we can come up with what we need. I agree that JR is going to be a bit more determined to get it all done sooner than later.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 12, 2014, 11:19:02 am
FWIW....

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/6932/noah-syndergaard

Noah Syndergaard may be shopped by the Mets for a SS.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 12, 2014, 12:34:38 pm
Not too good of an ERA, but that is in the PCL
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 12, 2014, 10:36:36 pm
Shoe, all I heard around the proverbial campfire is that The Man is getting old and wants to win again before he croaks.   Not "win at all costs", but at "win at some costs".
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 12, 2014, 10:44:01 pm
Pretty much heard same has it really been 9 years since Shoeless Joe's?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 12, 2014, 11:25:35 pm
Time Flies, as they say.   Time for another Winter Meeting.    Maybe we could get The Big Shooter and Jheter to come out west, to our nape of the neck.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 13, 2014, 07:15:27 am
I think Big Shooter was having some knee surgery.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 13, 2014, 11:59:57 pm
Never doubt the Shoe. Melky!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 14, 2014, 08:49:28 am
Nice move Shoe, we are happy to have you in Hahn's ear.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on December 14, 2014, 11:44:39 am
Best Sox off-season ever? Gotta think so... but I'm not as ancient as some of you old farts.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 14, 2014, 02:02:16 pm
We had some with Veeck where we made tons of trades and turnover. Not sure I would call that better, just more activity. I am very impressed and very, very happy thus far.

Oh, I was answering for the old folks, not that I can remember that far back, heh
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 14, 2014, 03:25:04 pm
Best Sox off-season ever? Gotta think so... but I'm not as ancient as some of you old farts.

Only other one i can recall that i was as excited by was the Albert Belle Signing... 96?

This year only thing that is not super awesome... is we didn't trade Q for Xander... and Robertson got 4 years instead of 3.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 14, 2014, 04:46:34 pm
I still don't understand why you'd want to trade Q for X.

Also, with the Melky signing, does that give us more or less bargaining in trading Viciedo?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 14, 2014, 05:00:42 pm
Doesn't matter. Worse case scenario, there will be a few less balls in the bag we get for him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 14, 2014, 05:39:51 pm
I heard today on MLBXM that by getting Melky we'll get more leverage in trading Viciedo because so many teams wanted Melky (O's Giants, Mariners, etc.)

Shoe, I'm glad I was wrong about the budget we had left and really glad it was only for 3 years.,
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 14, 2014, 07:10:19 pm

(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/USATSI_7763877.jpg)


If the White Sox end up trading Dayán Viciedo to Seattle, I hope Rick Hahn forces the Mariners to surrender their competitive balance round B pick as part of the deal.  For signing Robertson & Cabrera, the White Sox lose their 2nd & 3rd round picks and getting that competitive balance round B pick (the 3rd pick between the regular 2nd & 3 rounds) would be nice.   The #3 pick in the competitive balance round B should be about a $800K  signing slot.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/2015-competitive-balance-lottery-results.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/2015-competitive-balance-lottery-results.html)


Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 14, 2014, 08:39:40 pm
Andy, if we end up not doing that, and end up without 2nd and 3rd round choices, and say those are worth 1M, and 800K. Would we get 1.8M less in our allotment for what we can spend? Guess if that happens we should go all in on an expensive 1st rounder if one slips to us.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 14, 2014, 09:00:20 pm
Great question, msf.    Would be a great way to compensate for the loss of picks by being able to overspend for the picks we have.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 14, 2014, 09:11:08 pm
Andy, if we end up not doing that, and end up without 2nd and 3rd round choices, and say those are worth 1M, and 800K. Would we get 1.8M less in our allotment for what we can spend? Guess if that happens we should go all in on an expensive 1st rounder if one slips to us.



Yes.  If a team forfeits a pick due to a free-agent signing or fails to sign a pick (like the Astros with Brady Aiken), the team loses the assigned pick value for those pick(s) so the team's total pool allotment is reduced by the 'slot value' of that pick(s).

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 15, 2014, 08:11:45 am
That is what I thought.

We can do one of two things. Pick an expensive 1st rounder and blow our wad on him, sort of like last year. Otherwise I guess we look for steals later on in the draft. Also, would be nice to do better in the Carribean than we did this past offseason. Did not think we did much, considering we got Abreu the prior offseason. Would think the Cuban players would look even harder at us.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 15, 2014, 08:20:01 am
Re-sign Beckham.  With this lineup his bat is not a gaping hole. Better than the ?? we have there now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 15, 2014, 08:32:24 am
I wouldn't be all THAT opposed....

I'm OK with an offensive liability to shore up MI defense... again, given the rest of this lineup.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 15, 2014, 08:36:07 am
But seriously - sign James Shields, and I'll go crazy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 15, 2014, 09:14:19 am
Sign shields! yes... i agree!

Then trade Q! lol.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 15, 2014, 10:21:04 am
Jermaine dye ‏@JermaineDye  Dec 14
@whitesox are putting themselves in a great position to make a run at the World Series.


Let's not get crazy, now, Jermaine.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 15, 2014, 12:08:35 pm
I have to admit, Beckham has crossed my mind. I think Sanchez can do it defensively, lets hope he hits somewhat decently. I cannot believe Johnson is ready, but hell, maybe he is. In my mind, if healthy, Saladino would win it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 15, 2014, 12:10:46 pm
They say (read: "I read an analysis that had numbers to back up what I'm about to say") that you can rush pitchers, but you shouldn't rush hitters.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 15, 2014, 01:57:58 pm
Sign shields! yes... i agree!

It would be nice to get another solid starter so Danks can be the 5th starter and move Noesi to the pen. Not too comfortable with both Danks and Noesi as the #4 and 5 starters right now. If there's no improvement by Danks, that's an ugly back end of the rotation.

Also got to think that Viciedo will be traded and that might net us another reliever.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 15, 2014, 02:12:31 pm
Either a reliever or a low-minors guy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 15, 2014, 03:40:42 pm
Contrarian spin on White Sox chances from Bleacher Report

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2297909-white-sox-vs-tigers-who-is-now-the-team-to-beat-in-the-al-central?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=chicago-white-sox
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 15, 2014, 04:17:03 pm
good read but I think Abreu, Gillaspie and Garcia beat those projections.  And Martinez and Cabrera are very prone in injury.  I think the offenses will be very comparable with our pitching leading to the division crown.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 15, 2014, 05:53:59 pm
Btw Joseph.  Congrats on your engagement
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 15, 2014, 06:57:48 pm
who's the lucky guy?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 15, 2014, 10:54:35 pm
What about dealing Rodon and a mixed bag for Cole Hamels.

Hamels is a guy we hope Rodon will become, but he's a sure thing and a good contract for 5 years.

We get to avoid dealing with Boras too.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 16, 2014, 12:02:58 am
What about dealing Rodon and a mixed bag for Cole Hamels.

Hamels is a guy we hope Rodon will become, but he's a sure thing and a good contract for 5 years.

We get to avoid dealing with Boras too.


Rodon, and any other rule 4 draft pick, can't be traded until one full year AFTER the date of their signing their first contract.  So that's the middle of July 2015 at the earliest.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2014, 07:54:03 am
Btw Joseph.  Congrats on your engagement

Why thank you.
Now the house hunting and all of that starts. Luckily she wants a small wedding (if one at all). I suggested a destination wedding, and she responded with "does the courthouse count as a destination?"
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2014, 07:58:27 am
who's the lucky guy?

(http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2010/08/29/AP100829022266_20100829154635_660_320.JPG)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2014, 09:28:22 am
What about dealing Rodon and a mixed bag for Cole Hamels.

Hamels is a guy we hope Rodon will become, but he's a sure thing and a good contract for 5 years.

We get to avoid dealing with Boras too.

When did we become the yankees? i say keep the cheaper option in Rodon
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2014, 09:39:26 am
Yeah, I'm not sure why we'd trade Rodon.

As a side note, we just signed this guy to a minor league deal (with ST invitation):

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/5157/zach-phillips

He throws with his left arm. So there's that.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 16, 2014, 09:50:28 am
Red Sox signed Nestor Molina to a minor league deal. So the Santos trade is officially a bust for everyone involved.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 16, 2014, 10:19:14 am
What about dealing Rodon and a mixed bag for Cole Hamels.

Hamels is a guy we hope Rodon will become, but he's a sure thing and a good contract for 5 years.

We get to avoid dealing with Boras too.

he makes over $20MM per year.  Yikes!  Gotta stay away from that. 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2014, 12:33:42 pm
We have signed Brad Penny to a minor league deal for some reason:

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/2843/brad-penny
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 16, 2014, 12:36:59 pm
WTFN?     Might as well sign a bunch of "lottery tickets" to minor league deals, and see if you can get lucky in spring training.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2014, 12:51:21 pm
True.

It's not like we've got a glut of prospect arms in AAA.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 16, 2014, 12:57:30 pm
Hey now, don't be busting on our AAA arms, gotta defend my kids. Tommy Hanson bombed for us in AAA last year, may as well be Penny this season.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2014, 01:00:19 pm
I said "glut."

If signing a guy like Penny were holding a prospect back, I'd say hell no.

He would fill out the Charlotte rotation nicely at least.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 16, 2014, 01:58:14 pm
Yep, just giving you ****.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 21, 2014, 08:39:25 pm
This was reported when we traded Beckham

White Sox general manager Rick Hahn would not identify the potential player to be named later the White Sox would receive from the Angels, only to say that a handful of candidates have been agreed upon by the two teams. The White Sox and Angels are expected to finalize the deal in the offseason

Did the player ever get named?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 22, 2014, 08:46:34 am
August 21, 2014: Traded by the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim for player to be named or cash.

Guessing we took the cash.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2014, 01:51:03 pm
August 21, 2014: Traded by the Chicago White Sox to the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim for player to be named or cash.

Guessing we took the cash.


...or the trade has yet to be completed.  The Cubs just completed their Samardzija trade with Oakland last week.  A possible reason why the compensation for the Beckham trade hasn't been finalized is the amount of compensation might be dependent on if Beckham is an Angel in 2015.  While the Angels non-tendered Beckham he still can re-sign with them. If that's the case, don't expect any compensation until Beckham signs a contract with a team.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 30, 2014, 08:16:53 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/12/shermans-latest-drew-rios-myers.html

Apparently the Sox have kicked the tires on Stephen Drew to play 2B... but he's a Boras client and asking for $9M~10M.

Would give us flexibility to trade Alexei potentially... though I'm opposed to that idea.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 30, 2014, 08:29:26 am
Would be awful. Give the job to micah johnson
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 30, 2014, 10:49:24 am
I want to see Johnson get a full year in Charlotte.

No need to rush him... no need for Beckham 2.0.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 30, 2014, 11:08:32 am
If you could get Drew at 1/5 with performance kickers, I'm interested. That way if he continues to struggle you're getting him at journeyman utility rate.
Otherwise....pass.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 30, 2014, 01:50:11 pm

Zobrist from the Rays would be nice but I'll take Gordon Beckham on a one year deal for no more than $2 million to play second base.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 30, 2014, 05:29:48 pm
Zobrist would be awesome.  Sanchez and a decent pitcher? 
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on January 01, 2015, 12:21:25 pm
Yes to Beckham.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on January 05, 2015, 08:49:26 am
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS  19m19 minutes ago
bonifacio agrees to $4M 1-yr @chisox deal, pending physical. brings versatility. brilliant winter for CWS. @jonmorosi 1st


the @chisox bonifacio deal also includes a club option for 2016
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 05, 2015, 08:58:06 am
Looks like Hahn got us a bonafide utility guy
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on January 05, 2015, 09:27:42 am
he might be a starter at 2b
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 05, 2015, 10:26:49 am
if he's an excellent defender
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on January 05, 2015, 01:53:08 pm
I like it.

True utility guy. Seems like an average defender across the board on the infield, but very good in the OF.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on January 05, 2015, 02:15:36 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/01/white-sox-to-sign-emilio-bonifacio.html

Interesting comments... specifically how Bonifacio would be an ideal platoon mate to Gillaspie. Their LH/RH splits are nearly mirror images of each other.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 05, 2015, 04:49:40 pm
yeah, assuming he is not the 2B, he needs to play 3B against all lefties. No way CG gets 100+ ABs
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on January 08, 2015, 02:56:33 pm
Jordan Danks DFA'd to make room for Bonifacio.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/08/white-sox-designate-jordan-danks-for-assignment/
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on January 08, 2015, 06:05:22 pm
Wow, they had some crummy pitchers left to slice, and they chose Danks. Shows what they think of him I suppose.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on January 08, 2015, 06:19:33 pm
Give him chance to catch on elsewhere
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 09, 2015, 12:01:28 am
...or they think no one will claim him and he'll stay with the organization and go to Triple-A as insurance in case some OFer on the 25-man roster gets injured.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on February 05, 2015, 11:05:49 am
Sox officially release Viciedo, get minor league pitcher Yency Almonte from Angels as PTBNL for sending Beckham to Angels for 2 months:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-dayan-viciedo-20150204-story.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on March 23, 2015, 08:00:02 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/03/al-notes-watkins-correia-surkamp.html

Sox apparently shopping around Surkamp to try to make room on the 40-man.... meaning a non-roster invitee is likely to break camp with the Sox.

Possible candidates (without having looked too closely at guys having good / bad springs) in alphabetical order / positional order:
Albers
Crain
Rodon??
Soto
Johnson

???
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on March 23, 2015, 08:09:22 am
I'd say almost 2 sure things are Rodon NOT breaking camp with the team, and Soto being Flowers' backup. I also think Micah Johnson is going to be the OD 2nd basemen. His defense may be shaky (looks like he made a few bad plays yesterday even) but I think he's just way outplaying everyone else right now and the FO likes the speed and offense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on March 23, 2015, 10:43:47 am
Agree
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 27, 2015, 05:54:22 pm
I'd say almost 2 sure things are Rodon NOT breaking camp with the team, and Soto being Flowers' backup. I also think Micah Johnson is going to be the OD 2nd basemen. His defense may be shaky (looks like he made a few bad plays yesterday even) but I think he's just way outplaying everyone else right now and the FO likes the speed and offense.


In the bottom of the 8th today, Micah showed why he shouldn't make the 25-man roster.  On an easy double play grounder, he booted the ball, hesitated and then rushed a bad throw to 1st giving him two errors on the play.  He'll get two months working on his defense in Triple-A. Maybe even more than two months if Sanchez, Beckham & Bonifacio do well splitting the time at 2nd.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on March 28, 2015, 06:43:43 am
Yep, we cannot sacrifice defense for hitting. That does not work.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 29, 2015, 04:55:07 pm

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/AWilkinsCWS_zpsthkme9k2.jpg)

The Andy Wilkins Era has quickly come to an end

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/23334/white-sox-blue-jays-swap-waiver-claims (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/23334/white-sox-blue-jays-swap-waiver-claims)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on March 30, 2015, 09:14:45 am
In the bottom of the 8th today, Micah showed why he shouldn't make the 25-man roster.

And I would be fine with that. I just got the feeling from articles I've read that the FO is really high on him and his strong offense this spring seemed to be cementing his spot on the OD roster. However, if he gets sent down for more seasoning that's fine too. Defense is very important.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on March 30, 2015, 09:51:01 pm
Blessing in disguise. This is Beckham's year. I think we all know it...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 08:29:48 pm
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/4f1ce1d88b7a27be59012cda93364244faffc6f2/c=160-0-1928-1328&r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/Indianapolis/Indianapolis/2014/05/07//1399466877000-Samardzija.jpg)

Astros scouting Jeff Samardzija

The Astros recently scouted White Sox' starter Jeff Samardzija as they look into potentially-available starting pitching options, according to a report from Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com. Houston is currently looking into many starters as it begins its preparation for the trade deadline.

Samardzija, 30, has struggled in his first year with the White Sox, posting a 4.58 ERA in eight starts after being acquired from the Athletics during the Winter Meetings. He has been traded twice in the last year, being originally dealt from the Cubs to the A's last July before going back to Chicago in December, and is considered a candidate to be dealt again if the White Sox are out of contention in July. He is scheduled to become a free agent at the end of this season, meaning that any team acquiring him would be getting a rental for the stretch run.

read more:  http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2015/5/19/8626627/astros-scout-jeff-samardzija?utm_campaign=chriscotillo&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter (http://www.mlbdailydish.com/2015/5/19/8626627/astros-scout-jeff-samardzija?utm_campaign=chriscotillo&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on May 22, 2015, 01:44:00 pm

The White Sox join a growing list of clubs with “serious interest” in Cuban outfielder Eddy Julio Martinez, MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez tweets.
The 20-year-old is free to sign at any time, though it’s possible he could wait until the next July 2 period kicks off this summer.


Also a note that Vandy RH Carson Fulmer won't get past us in the draft if he falls that far.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/05/amateur-notes-draft-fulmer-kolek-martinez.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on May 23, 2015, 09:06:49 am
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/22/dodgers-acquire-eric-surkamp-from-the-white-sox/#comments

Eric Surkamp traded to Dodgers for 27-year-old minor league outfielder Blake Smith... looks like filler:

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa500814&position=OF
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on May 23, 2015, 10:41:24 am
He turned into a pitcher 2 years ago, this is his 3rd year hurling. Not a bad thing to take a chance on.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2015, 06:20:33 pm
(http://mlb.mlb.com/assets/images/1/8/4/128960184/cuts/draft_1280_y7lfv571_6xpflmx8.jpg)

The MLB Rule 4 Draft starts tomorrow @ 6PM (Chicago Time). Live coverage will be available on both the MLB Network and MLB.com. The White Sox have the 8th pick in the 1st round.  Initially, the White Sox had interest in HS outfielder Daz Cameron who is the son of former White Sox Mike Cameron.  However with Boras as his 'advisor' and a reported demand of $5 million to forgo college, it's unlikely the White Sox would pick him.Their #8 slot value is $3.47 million and their overall signing pool value is just $5.347 million as the forfeited their second & third round picks when they signed free agents David Robertson & Melky Cabrera.

The mock drafts are all over the board but the consensus is the White Sox are will go with a college pitcher.  The players rumored to be considered by the White Sox are John Jay of Illinois, Carson Fulmer of Vanderbilt, Dillon Tate of UCSB, Jon Harris of Missouri State and Kyle Funkhouser of Louisville.  John Jay is a lefty and the other four are RHP. Who the White Sox choose will depend on who is still on the board when they pick. 

Here are a couple of handy links for the draft:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-mlb-draft-signing-pools/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-mlb-draft-signing-pools/)

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-mlb-draft-slots/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/2015-mlb-draft-slots/)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on June 08, 2015, 07:10:43 pm
I see we took the big RHP from Vanderbuilt Fulmer @ #8
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 08:25:07 pm
I see we took the big RHP from Vanderbuilt Fulmer @ #8

No, the big draft-eligible RHPs from Vanderbilt (Walker Buehler & Tyler Ferguson) are still on the board.  The White Sox drafted the short guy. Carson Fulmer is only 6'0".   ;D



Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on June 10, 2015, 08:39:39 am
Uh OK. ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on June 19, 2015, 09:46:51 am
The Diamondbacks also dealt righty Tim Crabbe to the White Sox for cash or a player to be named later,
the club announced (via MLB.com’s Steve Gilbert, on Twitter). Crabbe, 27, has spent all of the past three years in the upper minors
and has recently converted to relief pitching exclusively.
He owns a 5.50 ERA over 34 1/3 innings this year at Triple-A, with 8.7 K/9 but a rough 6.0 BB/9.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/06/minor-moves-wang-wilson-ramirez-crabbe.html
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 24, 2015, 11:21:49 am
Per Rotoworld, Blue Jays are talking to the Sox about Samardzija

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4648/jeff-samardzija
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 24, 2015, 12:11:39 pm
Gillaspie to Angels for $. Who did we trade for him?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 24, 2015, 12:26:04 pm
This guy:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=soptic001jef

He's in his third season in High-A ball at age 24.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 24, 2015, 12:29:47 pm
Cool.   Not sure BJays are good trading partner
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 25, 2015, 03:28:37 pm
EJ was supposed to start at AAA today, but he's been moved to Tuesday,     The same day Samard-Jah is scheduled to start.

http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-prepared-potential-jeff-samardzija-trade
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 25, 2015, 05:58:40 pm
PAdres are shopping shields and might be willing to pick up some of his salary... that might be worth looking into.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 25, 2015, 09:11:50 pm
PAdres are shopping shields and might be willing to pick up some of his salary... that might be worth looking into.

Shields has over 2000 MLB innings pitched on that arm and he will turn 34 later this year so unless the Padres are willing to pick up half of his salary and take a couple of fringe prospects in return, I'm not interested. Even though he's Aaron Rowand's first cousin.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/IP_active.shtml



Especially at these $$$$ numbers:

Quote

James Shields rhp
4 years/$75M (2015-18), plus 2019 option

    4 years/$75M (2015-18), plus 2019 club option
        signed by San Diego as a free agent 2/11/15
        15:$10M, 16:$21M, 17:$21M, 18:$21M, 19:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
        perks: hotel suite on road
        deal does not include no-trade clause, but Shields may opt out of contract after 2016 season (no later than 3 days after World Series)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-diego-padres/ (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-diego-padres/)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 26, 2015, 03:30:36 pm
Rumor is they are willing to eat half his sarlary... and at those prices he's a great replacement for when Sam walks.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 26, 2015, 03:49:24 pm
Going to cost too much in prospects. Rather trade Samard then sign him
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 26, 2015, 03:57:14 pm
I think AJ peller is going to be scrambling to save his job... shields might be cheaper in prospects that we expect...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2015, 02:15:07 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/cole-hamels-david-price-giants.html

Apparently the Pirates had asked the Sox about LaRoche for some reason.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 27, 2015, 02:51:30 pm
just saw that.  would be awesome
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 27, 2015, 05:48:36 pm
And what would the Pirates offer us in return for LaRoche?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2015, 10:47:05 pm
The opportunity to get out of a bad contract for a guy we don't need.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 27, 2015, 11:05:30 pm
The opportunity to get out of a bad contract for a guy we don't need.

Getting their 2016 MLB Draft Competitive Balance pick (Round A - 6th pick which should be overall pick #40-42 with a slot value of about $1.5 million)  in return for the 'Duck Dynasty wannabe' along with jettisoning him & the rest of his contract would be even better.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on July 27, 2015, 11:09:07 pm
When did SoxNet become "WSI - The Sequel"?   They used to be good for rumors during Trade Week, now it's all arguing about trading Quintana for Puig.     I am now dumber for spending 4 minutes there.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2015, 07:35:16 am
Sox supposedly waiting until after this Boston series to decide if they're going to be buyers or sellers.

Personally, if some team is willing to pay for a reliever like Albers or Duke, you sell on them, then turn around and try to buy a hitter.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2015, 07:50:35 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/07/latest-on-jeff-samardzija-2.html

Source....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 28, 2015, 08:41:06 am
When did SoxNet become "WSI - The Sequel"?   They used to be good for rumors during Trade Week, now it's all arguing about trading Quintana for Puig.     I am now dumber for spending 4 minutes there.

I never go to their main forum, just to the Future Sox forum.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 28, 2015, 10:48:53 am
From an "inside source" at SoxTalk:

Deals for Shark to TOR and SF in place. The deals are sitting there. KW is still "all in" on '16 and Rick is not so there's that drama right now.

There was also the news that the Sox might wait til after this series with Boston to determine if they will sell or not. Even if they sweep Boston I don't see how winning 7 games against 2 pretty bad teams should change their mindset. What's the overall opinion from the rest of you? You think the Sox should stand pat and try to "go for it" this year?

Sure, I realize there's the whole comp pick with Shark and all but I just hope they're not passing up a better deal via trade in order to maybe, possibly win a WC spot.

 ??? ???
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2015, 10:57:10 am
The problem is that they're only 4.5 games out of the 2nd wild card (currently held by Minnesota)... though there are 5 teams to overcome, a 4.5 game lead isn't insurmountable.

With as streaky as this team is, they'll win just enough to make it interesting, then fall short.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2015, 11:46:49 am
i don't see any team above us who is going to get hot and get to 90 wins. good chance the second WC team ends up with 85ish wins. Sox can get there is the bats continue to hit.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2015, 12:09:43 pm
does it make sense to move Q for a young hitter?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 28, 2015, 01:02:05 pm
YES!!!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2015, 01:04:35 pm
Only if we think that someone like E. Johnson will be an adequate replacement.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 28, 2015, 02:13:34 pm
Do not trade pitching, unless someone offers us a good package for Shark.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 28, 2015, 02:16:24 pm
You think the Sox should stand pat and try to "go for it" this year?

Yes, definitely. We have the pitching to get into playoffs and then with the starters we have, who knows.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 29, 2015, 07:30:05 am
Per Jon Morosi, better chance of the Tigers trading Price than the Sox trading Samardzija

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/626255357396946944
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2015, 07:35:56 pm
Looks like the Sox are contending and the Tigers aren't.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 30, 2015, 03:13:34 pm
What happened with the Wilmer Flores last night? His agent issued this as part of a statement:

Being traded is part of baseball, but finding out the way Wilmer did, is not. 

How did he find out he had been traded?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2015, 03:19:14 pm
They kept playing him, did not pull him from the game. He found out via the fans and got quite the ovation from Mets fans I thought. Still, tell the guy in the dugout and get him the hell out of the game.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 30, 2015, 03:59:34 pm
Sox looking for power bat. Maybe Cespedes
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on July 30, 2015, 06:16:46 pm
Still, tell the guy in the dugout and get him the hell out of the game.

Seriously. I felt bad for the guy. But you'd think with a deal as close as it was that the Mets would want him out of the game anyway and not risk him getting injured or something.

Sox looking for power bat. Maybe Cespedes

Would love Cespedes but I really really hope KW/Hahn aren't dumb enough to trade the few good young prospects we have a 2-month rental (and to a division rival at that). We'd be giving Detroit some good prospects and then they can just turn around and re-sign him as a FA. No thanks.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on July 30, 2015, 07:54:54 pm
Cespedes and Justin Upton are two we are talking about. Best part is, if we get one, Garcia goes to part-time DH splitting time with LaROACH. Garcia is just another Viciedo, do not think we will see anything special from him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on July 31, 2015, 08:43:00 am
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4026/michael-morse

This is the kind of guy that KW would go for right about now.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on July 31, 2015, 09:20:10 am
Apparently Mets manager was unaware his player had been traded.  Was pretty pissed afterwards.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 31, 2015, 09:29:08 am
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/4026/michael-morse

This is the kind of guy that KW would go for right about now.

no... hes to young. we'll sign him to a 4 year 48 mill deal in 2017 when he is a FA.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on July 31, 2015, 12:50:32 pm
anything out there? Appears they may stand pat. Cubs make huge splash getting Haren. Wow!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: boatdrink on July 31, 2015, 01:54:27 pm
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/jondun5/futr.jpg) (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/jondun5/media/futr.jpg.html)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on July 31, 2015, 01:57:33 pm
anything out there? Appears they may stand pat. Cubs make huge splash getting Haren. Wow!

what? Marlins didnt jump at castro for Jfer? i am shocked.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 31, 2015, 02:33:44 pm
(http://images.sportsworldreport.com/data/images/full/6191/justin-sellers.jpg?w=640)


White Sox get Sellers from Bucs

Minor League infielder played 17 games in bigs with Indians last season


by AJ Cassavell / MLB.com | July 30th, 2015

The White Sox have added Triple-A shortstop Justin Sellers in a trade with the Pirates for a player to be named or cash considerations.

After missing the first three months of the season with an Achilles injury, Sellers hit .288/.339/.308 in 52 at-bats in the Pirates' Minor League system. He has spent time at second and third base this season, to go along with shortstop.

Sellers has yet to play in the Majors this year after he went 3-for-16 in 17 games for the Indians last season. A sixth-round pick of the A's in 2005, Sellers spent his first three seasons with the Dodgers, with whom he batted .198/.280/.294 with three home runs.

"With Leury Garcia in the big leagues and Micah Johnson unavailable, we needed a player with Major League experience to provide some depth at [Triple-A] Charlotte," said White Sox assistant general manager Buddy Bell of the Sellers trade.

Micah Johnson was placed on the disabled list by Charlotte with a left hamstring strain.


http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article/139781218/white-sox-trade-for-justin-sellers


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story on his arrest two years ago:  http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/9030/20130121/justin-sellers-is-dodger-arrested-after-chase-over-the-weekend.htm (http://www.sportsworldreport.com/articles/9030/20130121/justin-sellers-is-dodger-arrested-after-chase-over-the-weekend.htm)




Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: PeteWard on July 31, 2015, 05:28:00 pm
He needs some more tats.  Looks like he has some open skin on his face; maybe he could do a Mike Tyson eye thing there.  Or go all out and do a Darth Maul:

http://www.ranker.com/pics/N817232/darth-maul-film-characters-photo-u5
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on August 03, 2015, 10:01:29 pm
A couple quick thoughts on our inaction at the trade deadline:

1. I would have preferred we had gone hard after Upton instead of Cespedes. Upton is a better player and Tiggers weren't going to move him in division if they had a similar offer elsewhere.

2. Keeping Sam makes sense. Too much better pitching on market. We will get a comp pick for him if/when we do not re-sign and his production this year should not be difficult to replace at lesser cost.

3. Why not make a play for Beachy on the waiver wire? The guy has talent and it is not like we are stocked with guns at AAA. At worst, throw him in the bullpen and let him work the kinks out there.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 27, 2015, 07:42:49 pm

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/83630/83630-9871305Fr.jpg)

White Sox Claim Jacob Turner From Cubs

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/jacob-turner-claimed-waivers-white-sox.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/10/jacob-turner-claimed-waivers-white-sox.html)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 04, 2015, 10:19:44 am
Sox made a nice minor league FA sign. Steve Lombardozzi Jr. He is a gamer type, BB/K ratio is always good. Can play D. He did well with Nats, I think Juan thought highly of him. I like this guy tons more than Beckham.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 04, 2015, 06:38:28 pm
I agree msf. He's tons better than Beckham and can play outfield and infield.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 04, 2015, 07:21:58 pm
Now that we have cut the cords with Alexei, we may move Sanchez to SS (not sure that is wise) and play Micah at 2B, with Lombardozzi there in case Micah does not cut it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 05, 2015, 08:28:36 am
Now that we have cut the cords with Alexei

Not so fast. Alexei could still be back at a reduced salary so he might still be the one manning shortstop next year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 05, 2015, 11:20:03 am
Yep, saw that a tad later.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 05, 2015, 07:52:18 pm
"saw that a lad tater."

sick
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on November 10, 2015, 06:06:14 pm
Some in the local media are suggesting the Cubs and Sox match up for a trade:   Quintana for Javier Baez.

To quote Jake Blues:   "No f*cking way."
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 10, 2015, 06:30:28 pm
I agree... Mckinney+Torres and hendricks and i'd be listening.

Baez is not worth what they think he is.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on November 12, 2015, 10:46:02 am
Renteria to replace Ventura in 17?

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20151111/sports/151119702/
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on November 12, 2015, 12:46:02 pm
I agree... Mckinney+Torres and hendricks and i'd be listening.

I'm not even sure I'd trade Q for that. McKinney and Torres haven't played a single MLB game yet. They are still prospects that have a chance to be nothing special. Quintana is a very very good pitcher with a very very good contract. I'd want more a of sure thing for him. This is one of the few trade chips the Sox have so you have to be pretty certain you're getting a quality mlb player back. If not, you don't trade him yet.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 12, 2015, 01:09:22 pm
We need a large amount of young talent with good upside.

Torres is their best prospect right now.. Mckinney is probably 3rd best... there would probably be a couple of Low A arms thrown in on both sides.

i think that is a pretty good return for a Q... still wish we would have traded him last year for Xander, assuming that rumor was remotely true.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on November 12, 2015, 02:01:36 pm
Other thing with that trade... it address two areas of need. SS and CF. Build up the middle.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 13, 2015, 01:36:32 pm
CF is really not a need
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 13, 2015, 01:47:47 pm

from Jon Heyman at CBS Sports:

Quote

(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/mlb/logos/90x90/CHW.png)  Chicago White Sox News

They will consider offensive upgrades at third base, second base and shortstop, as well as catcher, but it's unlikely they will do all four positions (they have some defensive options there with Tyler Saladino, Carlos Sanchez and Tyler Flowers) ... The White Sox were one of many, many teams to view what was said to be a very impressive presentation by Cespedes' baseball agent Brodie Van Wagenen. There was said to be a musical component to it, but no, Jay-Z, the other agent, didn't do any rapping ... Maybe too much was expected from the South Siders last year by me and others. Let's not forget they lost 99 games in 2013 ... Some may see the hiring of Rick Renteria as bench coach as a potential threat to manager Robin Ventura. But even if owner Jerry Reinsdorf wasn't the most loyal owner in baseball, GM Rick Hahn pointed out that Ventura was very involved in the Renteria hire, and signed off on it.


http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25371229/inside-baseball-at-least-14-clubs-expected-to-spend-more-from-gm-meetings (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-heyman/25371229/inside-baseball-at-least-14-clubs-expected-to-spend-more-from-gm-meetings)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 25, 2015, 07:54:51 am
We traded a class A pitcher, Yency Almonte (the pitcher we got for Beckham as PTBNL) to the Rockies for a reliever named Kahnle. Been in the pen 2 years for Rockies, decent stats, tho a bit wild. Throws very hard. Would have better ERA but they left him in one game to help out the pen and he got smacked around.

Almonte has some potential, but has been inconsistent.

This must mean Albers is not coming back, bummer.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on November 25, 2015, 12:19:04 pm
Sox sign Alex Avila. Solid move, lefty C. Good in clubhouse I hear. David Ross type.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on November 25, 2015, 03:17:14 pm
Good in clubhouse I hear.

Oh really. What is he good at? heh

Seriously, I like the move. He and Flower Boy can platoon and both are good defensively. Aliva gets on base, good OBP despite lots of Ks
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2015, 11:01:29 pm
Flowers a FA?

http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/1148139/white-sox-decline-tender-offer-tyler-flowers
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 02, 2015, 11:34:49 pm
Yeap... the 1 million dollar savings is a good reason to stop down to Avila.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 03, 2015, 01:54:13 pm
Oh brother. Here's a funny trade proposal from a cub fan on twitter. I have no idea who either of these people are....just copying the non-sense:

William Cooper‏@William05310101
Jesse, would you do a Soler/Castro deal for Chris Sale? The Contracts would be friendly for the Sox in the long term.


JBR ‏@jbr1657  20h20 hours ago
@William05310101 For goodness sakes, Soler + Castro had a combined .9 WAR last year. Yea, you can get a top rotation ace for that junk.


William Cooper ‏@William05310101  18h18 hours ago
@jbr1657 The Sox have a need for an infielder and outfielder. They can part with Sale and get value in return.


In some other conversation this William Cooper said he "still thinks a trade for Chris Sale could work".    :o
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 03, 2015, 02:03:16 pm
Ha.

Then to back-fill the rotation we can trade Saladino for Felix Hernandez. Saladino is cost controlled and versatile, so I think this trade will work.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 03, 2015, 03:31:01 pm
considering Prices's contract... Sale's surplus value is north of 100 million or so now?

Wait till ZG signs....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2015, 04:30:31 pm
Here is why the Sox didn't offer Flowers a contract.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-dioner-navarro-20151203-story.html#nt=outfit

So does that help us?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 03, 2015, 06:06:33 pm
Navarro/Avila is way, way better offensively than Flowers/Nieto. Maybe even defensively, only thing Flowers could do exceptionally was frame pitches and steal strikes. But that is catching with Sale etc.... and maybe it is not all him, maybe it was partly our pitchers pitches. Avila needs to be healthy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 03, 2015, 06:18:26 pm
Flowers blew chunks. this is huge upgrade. fatarse, lazy mfer
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 03, 2015, 06:30:24 pm
Flowers was league avg for a catcher with the bat... and best defensive catcher in the league when accounting for pitch framing...

Not going to miss him all that much, but its a perplexing move imo....
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 03, 2015, 11:14:16 pm
He skcd
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 07, 2015, 12:31:32 pm
A couple names I've seen the Sox associated with:  Justin Upton (apparently he's their prime OF target), Brett Lawrie, and Asdrubal Cabrera.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 07, 2015, 06:25:50 pm
I really do not want Upton. Cabrera better on O than Ramirez, not as good with glove.  Iffy there.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 07, 2015, 10:41:57 pm
Why not upton
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 08, 2015, 06:51:03 am
Attitude, and the fact I do not think he is worth the money he wants. But I do like him better than Avisail, cannot get rid of that bum soon enough.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 08, 2015, 06:51:50 am
Oh, Upton is not a good OF either. Lazy and takes lots of poor angles. We can do better. We get too caught up on homers.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 08, 2015, 10:20:13 am
Shoe... look at Upton's BA for the last 5 years... goes down every year.

I agree with MSF, he will be like his brother an albatross contract. If they really want to spend more of JR's money get Gordon
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 08, 2015, 10:35:24 am
Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 4m4 minutes ago
#WhiteSox exploring Japanese 3B Nobuhiro Matsuda. He hit a career-high 35 homers last year for #Softbank. Well timed move to US.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 08, 2015, 02:08:53 pm
Nobuhiro!!!!

I don't know Shoe/Blackie, does not have the same ring to it as

Shingo!!!!!
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 08, 2015, 07:42:49 pm
Nobuhiro!!!!

I don't know Shoe/Blackie, does not have the same ring to it as

Shingo!!!!!
SHINGO!  Crowd loved me that night. I think I tried hitting on SoxRule. ;O)
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2015, 08:15:50 am
 http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1165935/white-sox-getting-closer-deal-brett-lawrie

Apparently close to acquiring Brett Lawrie.

Because trades with Oakland have worked out so well for us.

I really don't like this potential acquisition. Another bust whose BA, OBP, and BB% have basically been on a downward trajectory since 2012 (BA last year being the only exception - went from .247 to .260).
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2015, 08:19:27 am
Nobuhiro!!!!

I don't know Shoe/Blackie, does not have the same ring to it as

Shingo!!!!!

He'd probably go by "Nobu," if that makes it more shoutable.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2015, 08:38:43 am
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1165935/white-sox-getting-closer-deal-brett-lawrie

Apparently close to acquiring Brett Lawrie.

Because trades with Oakland have worked out so well for us.

I really don't like this potential acquisition. Another bust whose BA, OBP, and BB% have basically been on a downward trajectory since 2012 (BA last year being the only exception - went from .247 to .260).
Not too excited about it but I guess he has had injuries and had been an excellent defensive player. I can live with good D, low OBP but not bad and bad
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 09, 2015, 09:00:46 am
Not too excited about it but I guess he has had injuries and had been an excellent defensive player. I can live with good D, low OBP but not bad and bad

He's an excellent defensive player? Everything I've seen / read says he's about average.

Granted, that's still an improvement over Gillaspie, but I'd like to see more than just average defense + mediocre hitting out of a corner infield spot.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2015, 09:23:23 am
had been. he has declined so not sure what is up with that
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 09, 2015, 09:49:54 am
Not too excited about it but I guess he has had injuries and had been an excellent defensive player. I can live with good D, low OBP but not bad and bad

He's an excellent defensive player? Everything I've seen / read says he's about average.

Granted, that's still an improvement over Gillaspie, but I'd like to see more than just average defense + mediocre hitting out of a corner infield spot.

Correct, he is not all that on D.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 09, 2015, 01:17:37 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/athletics/report-close-trading-lawrie-white-sox?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

For 2 minor leaguers?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 09, 2015, 01:18:45 pm
Nobu?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 09, 2015, 06:03:00 pm
Maybe we can dump Courtney Hawkins on them. Hope they leave Engel (CF) and Michalczewski (3B) alone out of the everyday players. I almost bet my left nut they take both of them. They can have Montes and Danish from the pitchers, but hope not Adams.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2015, 06:43:41 pm
Hang on to Montas. Give them Danish and Hawkins
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 09, 2015, 06:56:45 pm

White Sox, A’s “Hit Snag” In Brett Lawrie Trade Talks

By Steve Adams | December 9, 2015 at 5:23pm CST

5:23pm: The ChiSox and A’s have “hit a snag” in trade talks surrounding Lawrie, reports Joe Stiglich of CSN Bay Area. While a deal could eventually be worked out, the team wasn’t able to agree on the prospect package that would return to Oakland.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/white-sox-athletics-brett-lawrie-trade.html (http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/12/white-sox-athletics-brett-lawrie-trade.html)

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2015, 07:37:34 pm
that doesnt bother me...

did they mention why we werent shopping Q for the miller package?
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 09, 2015, 08:14:22 pm
This doesn't bother me either. We got Lawrie for Zachary Erwin and J.B. Wendelken. I never knew we had those guys
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2015, 08:23:54 pm
Wendelken has a monster change up and hits 94 on the gun. the A's will move him to the BP and you'll know his name soon.

Eno Sarris on FG mentioned him as having one of the better change ups in the minors sometime ago in a chat...
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2015, 08:26:15 pm
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/prospect-watch-changeup-artists/

Article from fan graphs on him...

While Wendelken is young and his issues might appear reasonably fixable, it should be emphasized that he’s not particularly projectable. If the stamina isn’t showing up soon, it may never, and that alone would likely preclude Wendelken from starting. While it might be tempting to dream on him as the next Marco Estrada, he’s more likely to fit into a Brad Boxberger/Tyler Clippard role as a reliever who can air it out around 92 mph and throw a nasty changeup 35% of the time. Not all that glamorous, but you don’t really expect glamor from trade throw-ins, so it’s actually a pretty nice outcome if it works out.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 09, 2015, 08:27:29 pm
I dont get it. What we gave up in defense at C we gained at 3b with lawrie... but lawrie's bat is not a +

the last 2 years he has a whooping 300 obp... the net result is we basically didnt improve on defense, or on offense.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 09, 2015, 08:47:10 pm
This doesn't bother me either. We got Lawrie for Zachary Erwin and J.B. Wendelken. I never knew we had those guys

Wendelken came to the White Sox from the Red Sox as part of the Jake Peavy deal in 2013.  Zack Erwin, a lefty from Clemson, was the White Sox 4th round pick in the June 2015 draft.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 09, 2015, 09:03:14 pm
Yep. Upgrade at 3b. Now find a real good hitter
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BillSharp on December 10, 2015, 01:38:04 am
can't believe we gave up so little to get Lawrie. Oakland must have wanted to dump him.

Maybe Oakland felt bad about raping us in the Jeff S. trade last year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 10, 2015, 07:46:20 am
We basically just gave up 2 OK prospects for what Gordon Beckham probably should have been.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 10, 2015, 08:03:44 am
Nothing to not like about this deal. Lawrie's not the greatest get but considering how little we gave up to get him, can't complain. He's young, relatively inexpensive, has some pop in his bat and should be fairly good defensively. The team got a little better today.

This is sort of like the Shark trade in that even if Lawrie comes over and stinks up the joint it's still a trade you can say well it had the potential to work but at least we shouldn't miss anyone we gave away for him.

Good job by Hahn. Now go get a middle of the order power bat somehow.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BillSharp on December 10, 2015, 10:09:01 am
disagree with rule. hated the Samardzija trade when made because it was obviously a one year rental so to me it made no sense.

Semien hit .257 with 15 hrs. better than any ss/2b we had last year.

Phegley hit better than any catcher we had last year.

the guy I liked best was Chris Bassitt, thought he'd be in the rotation last year & I would rather have had him (era 3.56) than Samardzija (era 4.96).

hated the LaRoche signing because DHers should be a dime a dozen. tying up all that $ on an old softball player rather than a well rounded guy you put on the field every day was dumb. would rather have the AAA 1st baseman we gave to Oakland in the Samardzija trade. he had a good year.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 10, 2015, 10:59:15 am
Samardzija trade when made because it was obviously a one year rental

The Sox were very much willing to extend him so I don't believe it was obvious that it was a one year rental. Even still, I guess I'll disagree that I don't think we'll miss any of those guys. Or at least it was worth the ****, I should say. If Samardzija had pitched pretty well and liked it here and signed the extension then it would have been a great trade. All trades are gambles.

The only thing I didn't like about it was the fact that I've always thought Samardzija was kind of a dbag.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 10, 2015, 11:25:23 am
Semien may have been worse defensive SS in baseball. Would like to have bassitt
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 10, 2015, 11:26:51 am
Erwin was our 4th rounder last year (so our 2nd pick actually), he did well in 1st year, but does not bother me. Neither does Wendelken, a potential closer/setup man in the pen, we got him in the Peavy deal.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 10, 2015, 12:57:31 pm
Or at least it was worth the ****, I should say.

I forgot g a m b l e gets censored here.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 10, 2015, 01:15:09 pm
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa577799&position=P

Sox just made a minor trade for this guy (Will Lamb)

Gave up this guy (Myles Jaye):
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa549275&position=P
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BillSharp on December 11, 2015, 01:28:30 am
the numbers on that Lamb guy don't impress.

Rule, the cubs traded Samardzija because he turned down their offer of 85 million. There was no way the Sox could have signed him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 12, 2015, 09:00:06 am
a paragraph on each of the two prospects we gave up for Lawrie. Just FYI

Wendelken spent 2014 in the high Class A Winston-Salem rotation before returning to his relief roots in 2015 and advancing to Triple-A Charlotte. He struck out 10.5 per nine innings over 39 appearances in 2015, when he ranked inside the top 40 for qualified minor league relievers with a 4.3 strikeout-to-walk ratio. Though it’s not always pretty, Wendelken gets results. His thick build, hooking arm action and short-arm delivery help him sell a plus changeup that parks in the high 70s and generates plenty of awkward swings and misses. He is unafraid to throw the pitch two or three times in a row. Wendelken’s fastball can reach 94 mph but sits more regularly in the low 90s, and he lacks the stamina to start. He tends to roll a one-plane, slurvy breaking ball to the plate in the low 80s, but it’s more of a surprise pitch than a true weapon.

— Matt Eddy

Club (League)   Class   W   L   ERA   G   SV   IP   H   R   ER   HR   BB   SO   AVG
Birmingham (SL)   AA   6   2   2.72   27   5   43   36   14   13   4   11   56   .220
Charlotte (IL)      AAA   0   0   4.50   12   0   16   14   11   8   2   5   13   .226



A fourth-round pick from Clemson in 2015, Erwin recorded a 1.34 ERA in his pro debut and did not allow a home run in 40 innings, about half of them at low Class A Kannapolis. Despite this, he profiles as more of fast-moving, high-floor southpaw who could provide major league value as soon as 2017. He pitches at 88-90 mph and can touch 92 with an average fastball he locates both inside and outside, which keeps righthanded batters from lunging over the plate at his plus changeup, which features split action and fade. Scouts regard Erwin’s curveball as a potentially solid-average pitch with 1-to-7 break and tight spin. He has above-average control and command thanks to a balanced, coordinated delivery.

— Matt Eddy

Club (League)   Class   W   L   ERA   G   GS   IP   H   R   ER   HR   BB   SO   AVG
Great Falls (PIO)   R   2   0   0.84   8   4   21   17   5   2   0   3   15   .210
Kannapolis (SAL)   LoA   0   2   1.89   7   3   19   15   5   4   0   4   15   .224
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 12, 2015, 10:56:04 pm
Hahn says he might not be done
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-winter-meetings-wrapup-20151210-story.html#nt=outfit
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 12, 2015, 11:04:32 pm
Report: White Sox could still trade for Todd Frazier

http://chicago.suntimes.com/baseball/7/71/1170248/report-white-sox-still-trade-todd-frazier



But whether or not the White Sox are a fit is still up for debate. MLB.com’s Phil Rogers is suggesting Cincinnati’s asking price might be too high.

    Source: Reds have asked White Sox for No. 1 prospect Tin Anderson in talks regarding Todd Frazier. Seems an unlikely match. #Reds WhiteSox

    — Phil Rogers (@philgrogers) December 9, 2015

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 12, 2015, 11:05:49 pm
I don't think I'd do that if I were Hahn. We definitely need a SS for the future
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: msf on December 13, 2015, 09:17:44 am
Hell no. Also, not interested in Frazier for 3B if we already have Lawrie. I do not want Lawrie at 2B, rather have the light hitting kid we had there last year for his D. If Frazier can play OF, ok, but not for Anderson, no way no how. Give em Hawkins and Danish. heh
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: aka Loveland on December 13, 2015, 03:12:43 pm
This is disheartening,  seems they are grasping at straws.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 13, 2015, 04:49:07 pm
look at the bright side.

KW will have a pool of our tears to keep his fresh lobster in.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 16, 2015, 11:09:29 am
Rumors swirling of a big trade with the Dodgers.   Frankie Montas being shipped out.    Source: Jeff Passan tweet.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 16, 2015, 11:12:27 am
Now there's reports of a three-way, we get Todd Frazier.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BlackSox on December 16, 2015, 11:22:28 am
Trayce Thompson, Micah Johnson, and Montas all traded away.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2015, 11:22:53 am
Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS  2m2 minutes ago
montas micah johnson and trayce thompson go to dodgers

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal  2m2 minutes ago
Peraza, Dixon, Schebler go to #Reds
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2015, 11:23:15 am
Ouch. This smells like kw.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 16, 2015, 11:38:31 am
it does. find a way to not include Thompson. maybe his hitting was a mirage....but he sure looked like he knew what he was doing. yeah, lineup just got really good. but they still need an OFer
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 16, 2015, 11:39:52 am
Micah is no big loss, we sold high on Thompson (not convinced he would have been anything super special), but Montas had a shot to be a pretty good reliever. However the Sox now, FINALLY, got a third basemen. Now they can move Lawrie to 2nd and they have just immensely upgraded 2 positions. Should they actually sign one of Upton or Cespedes....I don't know....might be looking at a pretty good team then.

Can't keep wasting anymore years of Sale, Abreu and Quintana. Let's see what happens. They are not going to do a full Astros/Cubs style rebuild. If you're waiting for that then may as well find a new team to root for. It's not happening as long as Jerry is still alive and the owner.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 16, 2015, 11:40:24 am
jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 10s10 seconds ago
Scouts, execs raving about White Sox getting Frazier and prospect package Dodgers got back. Reported return for Cincinnati ... not so much.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS  2m2 minutes ago
huge move for chisox. frazier is great hitting talent, fine young man.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2015, 11:45:06 am
Interesting.

Hurts to give up Montas, but I like the idea of Frazier.

Frazier + Lawrie > (hole at 2B) + Gillaspie
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 16, 2015, 11:50:05 am
Good stuff SR. I LOVED TT, so initially I was pissed. But if they can get a strong OFer, move Melky to DH, then could be fun times next season
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BillSharp on December 16, 2015, 11:59:55 am
gotta get rid of  LaRoche. can't let him blow up the season for Sox.

If he is on team Ventura will feel compelled to play him.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 16, 2015, 12:09:02 pm
White Sox acquire All-Star Todd Frazier in 3-team deal

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-todd-frazier-trade-20151216-story.html#nt=outfit
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Shoeless on December 16, 2015, 12:10:46 pm
gotta get rid of  LaRoche. can't let him blow up the season for Sox.

If he is on team Ventura will feel compelled to play him.
guessing they will now, since they are clearly going for it.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: BillSharp on December 16, 2015, 12:18:16 pm
Sanchez moves to short, competes with Saladino.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: WshflThinking on December 16, 2015, 12:19:03 pm
Just my opinion but I think they gave up too much in that deal. I think they needed Trayce Thompson to replace Garcia in right
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2015, 12:22:24 pm
Todd Frazier has played 72 games vs. AL teams in his career. In those games, his batting average is nearly 60 points lower and his OPS is over 200 points lower than against NL teams
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: ISF on December 16, 2015, 12:34:24 pm
If it was Thompson and Johnson, I would be fine. Montas should never have been added.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 16, 2015, 12:37:08 pm
Todd Frazier has played 72 games vs. AL teams in his career. In those games, his batting average is nearly 60 points lower and his OPS is over 200 points lower than against NL teams

So you're saying this could another one of those "he's great in the NL but will crap the bed in the AL" players?  That would sting but good thing Montas is the only really high upside prospect we're losing then.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: joeconners on December 16, 2015, 12:40:48 pm
Now I'd like to see the Sox sign this guy:

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8347&position=OF

Good OBP, good speed, fairly good D in CF if he's healthy.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 16, 2015, 12:50:27 pm
Span is too much of an injury risk, with serious back and hip issues. The Nationals are looking for an outfielder and aren't barely considering Span.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2015, 01:07:05 pm
He wants a 2 year deal... if would take 1 year sign him up.

I'd really like the Sox to call on Incairate... if we are "all in" lets go really shore up the outfield D.

Agree that Frazier and Lawrie are better then we had last year at 3b/2b. I just see them both as equal in boom or bust potential, so this could be a sad repeat of last year and we've given up more young chips to make it happen.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 16, 2015, 01:10:00 pm
Jim Bowden ‏@JimBowden_ESPN 5m5 minutes ago

I get it now: #WhiteSox got what #Dodgers should have; #Dodgers got what #Reds should have; #WhiteSox win now; #Dodgers later; #Reds Don't


we've given up more young chips to make it happen.

Let's not forget that the Sox still have 3 high draft picks yet to continue building the farm. They've made some moves to upgrade without having to give up Q, Anderson or Fullmer. I'd say that's doing a pretty good job so far. Still more work to be done.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: Method on December 16, 2015, 01:30:38 pm
everyone else also has 3 high draft picks. the miss rate on draft picks and prospects is high enough that 3 of them will not move the needle.

the sox have shown they will basically sign one good player... and then mail in the rest of the draft... ateast thats what i expect at this point.

I really liked MSF's idea of making Micah the DH... Thompson we probably sold high on.. Montas' i had pretty high hopes on.

We're doing the exact opposite of what i had in mind... Sell Robertson, Q and restock the farm.
Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 16, 2015, 01:37:10 pm
the miss rate on draft picks and prospects is high

Exactly! I would rather sell high on some of our prospects (or even forfeit a draft pick) for a proven MLB player. Frazier is young with a reasonable contract. And they're only on the hook for 2 years if he bombs. I don't think the Sox overpaid for a possible huge upgrade. You're not getting a Todd Frazier for Avi Garcia or LaRoche so sell high before some of these prospects start to lose value.

Title: Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
Post by: SoxRule on December 16, 2015, 02:08:01 pm
JJ Cooper ‏@jjcoop36  1h1 hour ago
Should say, I LOVE the trade for the White Sox. Traded 3 solid but likely complimentary pieces for solid everyday 3B.

Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 3m3 minutes ago
Over the last three seasons, Todd Frazier's 18 Defensive Runs Saved are fifth among all third baseman in the majors. #WhiteSox


Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes  43m43 minutes ago
Rick Hahn on potential free agents/trades: "We shall see. We’re going to continue to be aggressive on numerous fronts." #WhiteSox


Bob Nightengale ‏@BNightengale  57m57 minutes ago
The #WhiteSox still looking to upgrade the lineup,GM Rick Hahn says,and could be in