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Title: Around Baseball - 2018
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 10, 2011, 04:19:54 pm
The place to discuss the other 29 MLB teams and their games.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on April 14, 2011, 08:28:02 pm
Yippee, we're not the only ones who have an incompetent closer. The Twinks just blew a 2-0 lead in the 9th! C'mon Rays!
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Post by: msf on April 14, 2011, 08:58:50 pm
Twins got unearned run in top of 10th for a 3-2 lead. Damon hits a walkoff 2 run homer for Capps, their other closer to win it.
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Post by: msf on April 15, 2011, 08:01:20 am
Mauer goes on 15 day DL
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Post by: Shoeless on April 15, 2011, 10:06:07 am
Mauer's a big ****.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 15, 2011, 03:56:13 pm
would you mind telling us what those astericks mean?
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Post by: PeteWard on April 15, 2011, 06:12:58 pm
I think it was a typo,  there should have been 5 asterisks
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Post by: aka Loveland on April 15, 2011, 07:54:07 pm
Kass on Bonds: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-kass-0414-20110414,0,4152824.column
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on April 15, 2011, 10:10:59 pm
i I think it was a typo,  there should have been 5 asterisks

heh, nicely done
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on April 16, 2011, 02:53:20 pm
Royals are about to win again. They might not be the pushovers everyone thought.
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Post by: Fury on April 16, 2011, 04:30:44 pm
Royals are about to win again. They might not be the pushovers everyone thought.

Oh, I think they will finish no lower than third place in the division this year. 
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 16, 2011, 05:18:27 pm
It's still too early.

The Royals started out well a couple of times in the last 15 years and then faded into 4th or 5th place in the division.  Let's see what their record is at the All-Star break.  If they're still in 1st or close to it in mid-August, then it's time to consider them a real contender in the AL Central.
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Post by: Shoeless on April 16, 2011, 06:02:58 pm
More bad defense.  guy at third, GO back to Floyd, who snags it.   Runner at third is about 10 feet off.  Easy pickings.  But Gavin goes to first and then he throws a wild pitch.  just stupid
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Post by: Shoeless on April 16, 2011, 08:12:38 pm
is there a bigger moran than Brenly?  He just commented how he is so happy be brought his winter gear because it is EXTREMELY cold and windy in Denver.  65 Bobbo.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 17, 2011, 01:25:40 pm
Twinkies dump Joe Nathan as closer and replace him with Matt Capps:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-04-17/joe-nathan-out-matt-capps-in-as-twins-closer (http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011-04-17/joe-nathan-out-matt-capps-in-as-twins-closer)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on April 18, 2011, 09:17:14 am
Article comparing Daniel Hudson to Matt Cain.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/9152/daniel-hudson-the-new-matt-cain
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Post by: Method on April 18, 2011, 01:05:42 pm
Hudson's got sick stuff... saw his last start... he gave up a few runs but he struck out 10 in 5.
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Post by: ISF on April 19, 2011, 11:48:06 am
Someone should have told him the saying is "You can take the shirt off his back", not "You can take the shirt off the rack"...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6384863
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Post by: shawnabner on April 20, 2011, 05:17:36 pm
1918 scandal?

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6396358
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Post by: Fury on April 20, 2011, 07:52:01 pm
1918 scandal?

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=6396358

We've discussed this before... it's pretty likely that the Cubs threw the 1918 Series, and it's likely that the 1914 A's threw their Series to the Braves too.  It was common for players to throw games all up until the early '20s.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 20, 2011, 08:34:21 pm
Damn... just saw that headline and instantly thought "Gee, Furio will be shocked..."
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Post by: Shoeless on April 20, 2011, 08:39:53 pm
I'm just wondering....would they really have to "throw" the series?  Couldn't they have just played their best?
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Post by: BlackSox on April 20, 2011, 08:40:49 pm
The Jinx wasn't in effect yet
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2011, 02:13:20 am
I'm shocked! 

Who would have ever thought that 'Calfzilla' would go on the DL again so soon. (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-excub-prior-placed-on-dl-by-triplea-team-20110420,0,5841338.story) </purple>

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on April 21, 2011, 02:16:47 pm
MSF, you ready to call Young a bust?  down to .236, 19 Ks, 3 Ws
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Post by: msf on April 21, 2011, 02:19:50 pm
MSF, you ready to call Young a bust?  down to .236, 19 Ks, 3 Ws
Pretty tough to call a guy with an All Star appearance a bust, but he is not as good as I had thought he would get to be.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on April 21, 2011, 02:20:37 pm
he ain't very good at all.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on April 21, 2011, 02:26:55 pm
he also has 4 HRs 1 triple 2 doubles. Slg is over .500 and he plays a mean CF... does that whole catching of the ball thing very very well.

Hes no superstar... but i'd rather have him then rios in CF.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on April 21, 2011, 02:28:56 pm
he over Rios ain't saying much.  he's an OK player but he has failed to live up to the hope.

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on April 21, 2011, 02:33:05 pm
o hes also responsible for 22 runs so far rios is at 14...

This doesnt factor in defense or their respective contracts...
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Post by: Shoeless on April 21, 2011, 02:37:17 pm
Rios has been a disaster.   He has sucked mostly offensively and that contract prevented KW from signing a closer
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on April 21, 2011, 02:46:31 pm
yea... that JJ putz deal is looking sweeter with every day that passes.

The BP will shake it self out.. Sale looked outstanding yesterday... the Rays announcers were raving about him.

One of the Rays announcers even mentioned the whole inverted W throwing motion, and dismissed it... thinks the kid will be just fine...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on April 22, 2011, 10:40:13 am
Link says it all:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/653824-nolan-ryan-and-the-50-most-overrated-players-in-mlb-history?utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral#/articles/653824-nolan-ryan-and-the-50-most-overrated-players-in-mlb-history
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Post by: Fury on April 22, 2011, 11:46:54 am
Link says it all:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/653824-nolan-ryan-and-the-50-most-overrated-players-in-mlb-history?utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral#/articles/653824-nolan-ryan-and-the-50-most-overrated-players-in-mlb-history

The list is spot on in most cases.  I would agree with applying the "overrated" tag to Strawberry, Don Sutton, Mattingly, Bucky Dent, Garciaparra, Dave Stewart, Denny McLain, Thurman Munson, and especially Nolan Ryan.  There are more, but those stand out in my mind.  NY and Boston players in general seem to get more acclaim than warranted.  I would disagree with the inclusion of players like Brooks Robinson and Ozzie Smith on that list.  Sure, they're known for their slick fielding and not their hitting, but their fielding was SO good that I disagree with the "overrated" label.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on April 25, 2011, 06:21:05 pm
I love it!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkVcPqUr0q6bxQAQXpatFEwRvLYF?slug=jp-passan_10_degrees_attendance_042511
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 25, 2011, 10:56:12 pm
I love it!

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkVcPqUr0q6bxQAQXpatFEwRvLYF?slug=jp-passan_10_degrees_attendance_042511

Not really surprising. I find myself going to less and less games as the years go by. Part of it is less free time to make the 5-6 hour commitment (40 minute commute each way to the Cell and the actual game time) to view a game in person.  Another may be that I was fortunate to be a Bulls season ticket holder for 16 years (the entire Jordan era plus the year after), a Blackhawk season 'reservation' holder (as Bill Wirtz referred to us) for 8 years, a Bears season ticket holder for 5 years as well as attending 10-25 baseball games a year. So I saw more than my fare share of games in person.

When the new Comiskey opened in '91, the lower deck bleacher seats in left & right center field were priced at $6. 

Now the bleacher area has been cut in half and face value for tickets in the bleachers have eight different price points: $31, $38, $42, $49, $52, $74 and $77 which are all determined by the month, day of the week and the opponent.  The nine 'Half price Monday' games cost $19 for bleacher seats. 

Even before the bad economy and the mortgage and financial crises, the lower and middle class Joe Sixpack hasn't had an significant rise in disposal income in the 20 year period, let alone cover the 600+% price rise the 'normal' bleacher seats cost.

Now many people just go to a sports bar or a Buffalo Wild Wings to watch a game with friends and colleagues.  That $38 ticket price you save pays for plenty of the food and drinks you might end up spending at the sports bar and there's no $23 charge to park.  Or they invest in a 40"-65" HDTV coupled with digital cable or satellite service and you're all set to watch in the convenience and comfort of your own home.  No crowds, no lines and you can pause the live action with your TiVo if you need to pick up a call or make a trip to the restroom.

The best part is you can quickly change the channel when they're playing like crap.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 26, 2011, 09:17:23 am
Part of it is less free time to make the 5-6 hour commitment (40 minute commute each way to the Cell and the actual game time)

And it's a lot more for plenty of people, and even for the ones where it's less, it's a much bigger ordeal to get to and from these things than it used to be. It's just become a bigger pain in the ass to do anything in the city, it's ridiculously congested and expensive, people are on the whole much ruder and more self-absorbed, etc. . . .why bother? Especially given the alternatives AndyMacFAIL states.  Or is this all JadedJohnJeter perception? I knoweth not.

Either way, condo for sale.
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Post by: msf on April 26, 2011, 09:38:34 am
Time commitment, same reason I gave up golf years ago.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 26, 2011, 04:43:10 pm
Tony LaRussa's daughter is now a 'Raiderette":

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-LaRussa-8217-s-daughter-is-an-Oakland-Raid?urn=nfl-wp1180 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-LaRussa-8217-s-daughter-is-an-Oakland-Raid?urn=nfl-wp1180)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on April 27, 2011, 10:34:42 pm
On the plus side, Detroit, Minnesota, and KC, all lose.  And Boston too.

Anybody here really think that Cleveland is legit?  I'm not buying it -- by July, they'll be 10 games under .500.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on April 28, 2011, 08:06:17 am
Ricketts should be arrested for calling that game yesterday.  He gets everyone in there spending money and then they call it, despite decent weather.  assshole
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2011, 08:07:27 am
I'd be surprised if injuries didnt bite the Indios. They have had some problems in past years.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on April 28, 2011, 09:44:43 am
How does someone with 7 no-hitters get tagged over-rated?

That is asinine in my book.
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 28, 2011, 10:01:39 am
What he said. Ask Robin Ventura.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 28, 2011, 10:23:22 am
Given some of the other entries, how does Mazeroski not get included?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on April 28, 2011, 09:14:11 pm
Wow, is Ryan Dempster hurt or something? Just gave up 7 ER in the bottom of the first, still only 1 out, and has already been taken out of the game. He's been terrible so far this year.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on April 28, 2011, 10:23:03 pm
Hes a johnpeter all-star.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on April 29, 2011, 12:20:00 am
Ben Zobrist had more RBIs today than the entire Whites Sox team had in the last week.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on May 07, 2011, 06:26:07 pm
Justin Verlander threw a no-hitter today (the 2nd of his career).

Yovani Gallardo of the Brewers nearly threw a no-hitter and Jaime Garcia of the Cards nearly no-hit them (nearly a perfect game) 2 days ago. And I think Derek Lowe had a no-no going for awhile against the Phillies the other day.

So the Sox aren't the only "supposedly" good offensive team to get shut down this week. We started a trend!   ;D
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on May 08, 2011, 11:17:56 am
All these pitchers must be juicin'.

I demand an investigation!
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 11, 2011, 05:26:27 pm
Trivia courtesy of espn.com:

Clint Hurdle is one of five active managers who have managed one team in a World Series and are now managing another team. Can you name the other four?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on May 11, 2011, 05:43:35 pm
Tony LaRussa - If he counts since he is on leave.

Dusty Baker

Did Charlie Manuel ever get to the WS with the Indians?

That's all I can come up with.
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Post by: 4nek8 on May 11, 2011, 05:54:14 pm
LaRussa is one. 

I got one other, missed on the other two.  One of which I thought should have been pretty easy.
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Post by: 4nek8 on May 11, 2011, 05:55:13 pm
Baker is two, did not think of him.

Thought about Manuel, but he did not manage in a series with Cleveland.
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Post by: Joshpr on May 11, 2011, 07:09:04 pm
Sparky. Anderson? Jim Leyland?
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Post by: joeconners on May 11, 2011, 11:53:09 pm
Joe Torre is an obvious choice, no?
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Post by: 4nek8 on May 12, 2011, 12:31:37 am
Leyland is correct (and was the one I thought should have been obvious but I missed it).

The question was active managers -- so neither Sparky or Torre qualify.

Final manager was Bochy, I had him.  Thought for sure that Showalter was one, but I guess all of those Yankee crowns had Torre in charge.
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Post by: Joshpr on May 12, 2011, 09:27:52 am
****, missed the word active, read that too fast. Good trivia tho
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Post by: joeconners on May 12, 2011, 09:28:27 am
Report: MLB looking into Colon procedure (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AgQiGFYAcIfIO.zLYBx8FFERvLYF?slug=ap-yankees-colon)

That's the title of the link on the front page of Yahoo! Sports MLB....
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on May 12, 2011, 12:39:52 pm
Tony LaRussa's daughter is now a 'Raiderette":

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-LaRussa-8217-s-daughter-is-an-Oakland-Raid?urn=nfl-wp1180 (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-LaRussa-8217-s-daughter-is-an-Oakland-Raid?urn=nfl-wp1180)

She's a lot better looking than Tony.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on May 12, 2011, 12:51:18 pm
How does someone with 7 no-hitters get tagged over-rated?

That is asinine in my book.

Well, Ryan wasn't on any World Series-winning teams other than his early 1969 Mets success (and that was before he became the "legend" Nolan Ryan).  His arrival on a new ballclub didn't improve the team, overall.  He was all about his own stats and not about helping his team; hence, he never won a Cy Young award.  His lifetime winning percentage was only .526.  He also walked more batters than anyone else in MLB history.  Typical arrogant Texan, too, if you ask me.

You might check this out:
http://static.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1383697.html
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Post by: ISF on May 12, 2011, 01:04:12 pm
How does someone with 7 no-hitters get tagged over-rated?

That is asinine in my book.

Well, Ryan wasn't on any World Series-winning teams other than his early 1969 Mets success (and that was before he became the "legend" Nolan Ryan).  His arrival on a new ballclub didn't improve the team, overall.  He was all about his own stats and not about helping his team; hence, he never won a Cy Young award.  His lifetime winning percentage was only .526.  He also walked more batters than anyone else in MLB history.  Typical arrogant Texan, too, if you ask me.

You might check this out:
http://static.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1383697.html

- 100 points for referencing Rob Neyer. You know he's a KC fan, don't you? I'm surprised he didn't try to make a HOF case for Dan Quisenberry.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 12, 2011, 01:18:47 pm
He was all about his own stats and not about helping his team

How does that translate at all to baseball? Selfish bastard- all those Ks, depriving teammates of valuable assists and putouts. I bet he tagged runners out himself instead of flipping the ball to a fielder when he had the choice. Mediocre pitchers languishing in middle relief got screwed by him as well, all those complete games. What a p r i c k.

That being said, he was a great strikeout pitcher, but I agree with "meh" on him as an all-around pitcher.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on May 12, 2011, 01:33:13 pm
How does someone with 7 no-hitters get tagged over-rated?

That is asinine in my book.

Well, Ryan wasn't on any World Series-winning teams other than his early 1969 Mets success (and that was before he became the "legend" Nolan Ryan).  His arrival on a new ballclub didn't improve the team, overall.  He was all about his own stats and not about helping his team; hence, he never won a Cy Young award.  His lifetime winning percentage was only .526.  He also walked more batters than anyone else in MLB history.  Typical arrogant Texan, too, if you ask me.

You might check this out:
http://static.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1383697.html

- 100 points for referencing Rob Neyer. You know he's a KC fan, don't you? I'm surprised he didn't try to make a HOF case for Dan Quisenberry.

Whatever... Neyer makes some good points.  The thing is, Ryan has some impressive career numbers only because of sheer longevity.  But if you look at percentages and the fact that he never got into a World Series (after pitching strictly in relief in '69), he doesn't come off that great.  He wasn't on any really awful teams, yet he couldn't bring in a winner.  He just wasn't a team player, IMO, and I'll stand by that.

He's no Jack Morris.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on May 12, 2011, 01:45:09 pm
[rob neyer]

Dan Quisenberry finished in the top 5 in Cy Young voting 5 times.
He finished in the top 10 of MVP voting 4 times
He was a 3-time All-Star.
He led the league in Saves twice.
He is 31st in career saves.

At the height of his career, Quisenberry averaged 135 IP per year AS A CLOSER!

Legend has it that when Mariano Rivera first met Quisenberry, Quisenberry gave him a wedgie and told him to buy a cut fastball.

[/rob neyer]
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on May 12, 2011, 02:50:07 pm
Someone needs to photoshop LaRussa working a roofing job.
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Post by: joeconners on May 12, 2011, 02:58:02 pm
Someone needs to photoshop LaRussa working a roofing job.

Tony, or the daughter?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on May 12, 2011, 03:03:00 pm
Tony, smart ass  ;D
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on May 12, 2011, 03:04:08 pm
If I had wanted a photo of his daughter I would have asked for a photoshop of her as a fluffer.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2011, 04:15:55 pm
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/ordonez1.jpg?w=250)

Magglio Ordonez takes his .172 batting average to the DL

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/magglio-ordonez-takes-his-172-batting-average-to-the-dl/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/magglio-ordonez-takes-his-172-batting-average-to-the-dl/)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2011, 04:18:05 pm
(http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/561/147/91610145_display_image.jpg?1292185215)

The last 'scab' player is released

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/the-last-replacement-player-is-released/



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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2011, 04:19:51 pm
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/killebrew.gif?w=250)

Sad news about one of baseball's all-time greats

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/harmon-killebrew-my-battle-with-esophageal-cancer-is-coming-to-an-end/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/harmon-killebrew-my-battle-with-esophageal-cancer-is-coming-to-an-end/)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2011, 04:21:40 pm
Tom Schieffer on the Dodgers: “The complexity of the situation is daunting”

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/tom-schieffer-on-the-dodgers-the-complexity-of-the-situation-is-daunting/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/tom-schieffer-on-the-dodgers-the-complexity-of-the-situation-is-daunting/)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 14, 2011, 05:58:45 pm
(http://cdn.tagsgf.com/wp-content/uploads/tagsgf-jeff-gray.png)

Jeff Gray won't be pitching for Charlotte as he was claimed off waivers by the Seattle Mariners:

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110514&content_id=19054246&notebook_id=19054284&vkey=notebook_sea&c_id=sea (http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110514&content_id=19054246&notebook_id=19054284&vkey=notebook_sea&c_id=sea)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on May 14, 2011, 06:05:54 pm
(http://nbchardballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/killebrew.gif?w=250)

Sad news about one of baseball's all-time greats

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/harmon-killebrew-my-battle-with-esophageal-cancer-is-coming-to-an-end/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/13/harmon-killebrew-my-battle-with-esophageal-cancer-is-coming-to-an-end/)

Must have been a lot of German immigrants in Minnesota... hence, the tricolor motif on the uni sleeves...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on May 14, 2011, 08:47:21 pm
Yea, all those German's flooding Minnesota with their Lutefisk.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 15, 2011, 09:24:26 am
Actually, German Americans are most densely settled in the traditional "German belt" of Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska and Iowa.

In 1890 there were large numbers of German born immigrants in the states of New York (499,000), Illinois (338,000) and Minnesota (117,000). . .It was a matter of happenstance that American railroad interests were advertising for settlers to move to the Minnesota Territory, and later State of Minnesota, from 1854 into the 1870′s. This is why so many German-Americans now live in the Minnesota area.

More than 60% of the immigrants of this time came from Germany, and yes, Norway and Sweden (both of whom you chose to stereotype with your lutefisk reference).

You'll probably want to research the basis for your little quips before you cavalierly toss them out here.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 15, 2011, 09:55:01 am
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2003/5722085667_3ce28ffefc_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on May 15, 2011, 11:14:53 am
But the German tricolor is Black - Red - Yellow.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2011, 03:29:28 pm
Actually, German Americans are most densely settled in the traditional "German belt" of Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, Nebraska and Iowa.

In 1890 there were large numbers of German born immigrants in the states of New York (499,000), Illinois (338,000) and Minnesota (117,000). . .It was a matter of happenstance that American railroad interests were advertising for settlers to move to the Minnesota Territory, and later State of Minnesota, from 1854 into the 1870′s. This is why so many German-Americans now live in the Minnesota area.

More than 60% of the immigrants of this time came from Germany, and yes, Norway and Sweden (both of whom you chose to stereotype with your lutefisk reference).

You'll probably want to research the basis for your little quips before you cavalierly toss them out here.

My ancesters settled in the Indiana/Michigan area
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 15, 2011, 05:08:21 pm
My ancesters settled in the Indiana/Michigan area

Thereby totally disproving Jeter's claim.  Always nice to see someone give him what he gives out.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 15, 2011, 06:01:07 pm
Archloch
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 15, 2011, 06:27:03 pm
Twins are thoroughly hemhorraging, aren't they?  If they keep it up, Gardy's going to be next to Pierre in that long line at the Department of Labor.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on May 15, 2011, 07:20:16 pm
Quote
Twins are thoroughly hemhorraging, aren't they?

Which makes our poor start all the more maddening!!   >:(
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on May 15, 2011, 07:37:07 pm
I can sterotype about lutefisk all I want JohnJeter.  I ate it on Christmas Even for 35+ years.  My mother went to her grave swearing it tasted like lobster.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on May 15, 2011, 09:17:45 pm
But the German tricolor is Black - Red - Yellow.

Black-Red-Gold wasn't adopted until the Weimar Republic of 1919.  The German Empire (1871-1918) flag was Black-White-Red.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 16, 2011, 09:31:20 am
I can sterotype about lutefisk all I want JohnJeter.

Love the process of making it. The Father of The Mother of JohnJeter (JohnJeter the Elder, as he is commonly referred to) would tell me about getting up in the middle of the night to "change the water". Limpa bread and Swedish sausage and Bond-Ost cheese are good though. . .but I feel like we've covered this before.

Thereby totally disproving Jeter's claim.  Always nice to see someone give him what he gives out.

Hhaha, yeah, I'll just slink away in shame after that scathing dissection of historical inaccuracies and  flawed reasoning.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on May 16, 2011, 10:04:16 am
anything soaked in lye I think I can pass on
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on May 16, 2011, 10:11:35 am
HAH!  We just all piled into the station wagon and drove in from the suburbs to to some small market in Chicago to pick up our Christmas Eve dinner - it was always wrapped in that brown butcher paper. 

Then they started carrying it at Dominick's and half the wonder of the whole thing was gone.  It slowly continued to chip away after that.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 16, 2011, 10:02:43 pm
Someone needs to remind the Injuns that they suck.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on May 16, 2011, 10:08:31 pm
Someone needs to remind the Injuns that they suck.

That's what everyone here keeps saying, yet they keep winning no matter who they play.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 16, 2011, 10:26:19 pm
I guess its the Royales and Injuns time at last...

Hell if we're finishing at the bottom of the division... i hope my dad gets another shot at seeing the indians in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on May 18, 2011, 08:58:38 am
SR, those Cubs fans still laughing?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on May 18, 2011, 10:20:12 am
They've been pretty quiet lately, Shoe. Funny isn't it??  The cubs are just as bad as the Sox right now. I turned the game on briefly last night to see what the score was and it was perfect timing. They were walking the #8 hitter to get to the pitcher and the pitcher inadvertently knocks in 3 runs to tie the game. That's karma for ya.

That's why I hate NL baseball and the no-DH rule. Pitcher on the mound is in a jam with the #8 hitter coming up? No problem, just work around him to get to the usually weak hitting pitcher. Yeah, that's great baseball. Takes a lot of thinking too!
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 18, 2011, 10:29:28 am
The desipio message board topic "F u c k these g o d d a m n gutless f u c king a s s holes" is now up to 230 pages, (started in 2007), and got a decent bump last night.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 19, 2011, 11:50:14 pm
Get this -- the Twins are "streaking":

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=310519111&teams=minnesota-twins-vs-oakland-athletics

Three wins after a nine-game losing streak, that's a bit far-fetched, no?  Sox are 9-3 in their last twelve, so I guess they're "en fuego" in ESPN-ese?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on May 20, 2011, 07:40:29 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AplR9OurePIoYQB8.iWIZBQRvLYF?slug=jp-passan_baseball_draft_bundy_bauer_long_toss_debate_051911

A read on the debate on the merits of a Long-Toss program.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2011, 10:55:38 am
Get this -- the Twins are "streaking":

http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=310519111&teams=minnesota-twins-vs-oakland-athletics

Three wins after a nine-game losing streak, that's a bit far-fetched, no?  Sox are 9-3 in their last twelve, so I guess they're "en fuego" in ESPN-ese?

Streaking as in running nuude on the field?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on May 20, 2011, 12:12:24 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AplR9OurePIoYQB8.iWIZBQRvLYF?slug=jp-passan_baseball_draft_bundy_bauer_long_toss_debate_051911

A read on the debate on the merits of a Long-Toss program.

Interesting.  Which philosophy does Coop line up with?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on May 21, 2011, 04:16:25 pm
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/6c/fullj.5516986cf9789fc22db0526688568116/ap-201105211550570461308.jpg)

Caption contest?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on May 21, 2011, 08:50:17 pm
Quote
Twins are thoroughly hemhorraging, aren't they?

Which makes our poor start all the more maddening!!   >:(

why?  friggin Injuns are rolling
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on May 21, 2011, 08:51:26 pm
that pic is hilarious.

btw. **** jeter
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2011, 10:42:54 pm
Blast from the past:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-asxz8-avLdA/TZ84sNdTc0I/AAAAAAAAHPI/P81chJbwrmU/s1600/Gary+Carter+speaking+with+Garagiola+1986.jpg)

Joe Garagiola is filling in as the color commentator on the broadcast of the Twinkies/D-backs game tonight. It's the AZ broadcast and it's being shown right now on the MLB Network.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on May 21, 2011, 10:49:14 pm
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/6c/fullj.5516986cf9789fc22db0526688568116/ap-201105211550570461308.jpg)

Caption contest?

Houston Astros' left fielder Carlos Lee voices his disgust after being picked-off 3rd base for the 82nd time in his career.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 22, 2011, 10:19:01 am
Joe Garagiola is filling in as the color commentator on the broadcast of the Twinkies/D-backs game tonight. It's the AZ broadcast and it's being shown right now on the MLB Network.

Wanted-to-eat-a-bullet bad. But he always was terrible. I was watching and thinking, wow AZ fans have to put up with THAT every game. Fortunately for them, no.

One nice thing about MLB Network is that you get to hear broadcasting teams from around the league. Any Hawk and/or Stone detractors might want to give these others a listen. It's pretty scary out there.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2011, 03:33:03 pm
Joe Garagiola is filling in as the color commentator on the broadcast of the Twinkies/D-backs game tonight. It's the AZ broadcast and it's being shown right now on the MLB Network.

Wanted-to-eat-a-bullet bad. But he always was terrible. I was watching and thinking, wow AZ fans have to put up with THAT every game. Fortunately for them, no.

One nice thing about MLB Network is that you get to hear broadcasting teams from around the league. Any Hawk and/or Stone detractors might want to give these others a listen. It's pretty out there.

An eighty-five year old Joe Garagiola is actually a big improvement over the regular D-Backs telecast.  Joe fills in for the absolutely awful Mark Grace whenever Marky works a Fox network Saturday game.  Grace never shuts up.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on May 23, 2011, 09:37:04 am
(http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/ap/6c/fullj.5516986cf9789fc22db0526688568116/ap-201105211550570461308.jpg)

Caption contest?

"Dude, come back! You're the C!"
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 23, 2011, 10:16:24 am
haha, had to think about that for a second. excellent work
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 24, 2011, 07:14:41 pm
Trivia from espn.com:

Besides Carl Crawford, Jose Reyes, and Juan Pierre (4x apiece), only four players currently in the big leagues have stolen 50-plus more than once. Can you name them?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 07:27:55 pm
Figgins and Rollins are two i would think.... maybe Ichiro and scotty pods?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 24, 2011, 07:51:19 pm
Big fail for me.  P-H-A-L-E is more like it.

I only got one, Michael Bourn.  Figgins is in there.  I guessed Rollins, no.  No Ichiro, no Pods either, maybe because he isn't on a MLB roster?  I also guessed Damon and Furcal, thought Jeter might have done it, but no on all of those.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 07:56:41 pm
I looked up my 4... i got 2 right... and scotty was one... so is figgins. pods had 50 with us and 70 the year before with the brewers...

he was also recalled by the Jays.... so hes active now. Totally blacked on bourn... and still short one. was almost sure rollins was in there.

So if you add Bourn, scotty and figgins... we need one more...

I take that back... Scotty is in minors with bosox... Blue jays news was old... so we only have two in Figgins and Bourn.

What about Jose reyes?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 24, 2011, 07:58:59 pm
Ellsbury or Dexter fowler
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 08:09:37 pm
Ellsbury is a good one...

Not fowler hes never player a full season to this point i dont think... i follow him a lot on FB.... always hurt.

Reyes, Bourn, Figgins and.... maybe ellsbury
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 24, 2011, 08:14:41 pm
Ellsbury had 50 in 08 and 70 in 09
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 08:27:26 pm
perfect... so we have em then!
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 24, 2011, 08:27:53 pm
Ellsbury is a Yes.

One more to go.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 24, 2011, 08:40:26 pm
Ellsbury, figgins, bourn ....
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 24, 2011, 08:45:32 pm
Hanley Ramirez
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 08:46:02 pm
And Reyes... he had 3 straight years over 60! and 4 in a row over 50
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 24, 2011, 08:57:22 pm
Reyes was included in the question, Meth.  He, Crawford, and Pierre all have 4x years.  Points deducted for failing to comprehend...

Josh wins, Hanley Ramirez is indeed the 4th.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 09:04:16 pm
Curses!

Its been a long long day of job hunting... so many phone interviews... so many webcam interviews...

so many more "competence" tests.... my brain is fried.... t minus 56 min till ambien kicks in.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 24, 2011, 09:06:29 pm
Must be nice hunting for a good job. What field are you in?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 09:28:18 pm
IT.... and no one said anything about nice jobs... 80% of all replies are "let me tell you about this exciiting potential job where you sell insurance"

or dealing with technical recruiters that really have no clue in what they are talking about.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 24, 2011, 09:29:11 pm
Reyes was included in the question, Meth.  He, Crawford, and Pierre all have 4x years.  Points deducted for failing to comprehend...

Josh wins, Hanley Ramirez is indeed the 4th.


This must be why its been so hard to find a job :P
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 24, 2011, 09:35:49 pm
Heh
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 24, 2011, 09:40:31 pm
Twins just broke a 4-game losing skid -- they're streaking again!
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 25, 2011, 03:13:53 am
I can't believe I beat joshpr to this important breaking news:

(http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/day/migrated-media/s070724_baseball.jpg)

Puertorican former White Sox infielder Alex Cintrón retires

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/24/veteran-infielder-alex-cintron-opts-for-retirement/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/24/veteran-infielder-alex-cintron-opts-for-retirement/)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on May 25, 2011, 08:43:30 am
who's the guy in the pic?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on May 25, 2011, 08:52:29 am
who's the guy in the pic?

Looks like everyone's favorite CFer, Rob Mackowiak.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on May 25, 2011, 09:24:49 am
I think you are right.  And that was an all too often look from Robby
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on May 25, 2011, 01:35:06 pm
I decided to take a gander at the standings today -- man, the AL is one big pile of suck.   Just one team that is more than 5 games above .500.

Wild card - just 4.0 games back...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 25, 2011, 03:39:23 pm
That'll change once inter league starts...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2011, 04:15:29 pm
What do you mean by that? Interleague has already begun since we faced the Dodgers.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 25, 2011, 04:51:55 pm
Twins just broke a 4-game losing skid -- they're streaking again!

So much for the streaking Twinkies as they're shut out by Seattle 3 - 0:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_05_25_seamlb_minmlb_1&mode=wrap (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_05_25_seamlb_minmlb_1&mode=wrap)

This season the Twinkie's record is now 5-13 at Target Field.  The Humpdome home field advantage is long gone.

BTW, where are the "when are they going to fire Gardy" columns?  There sure were plenty of 'fire Ozzie' stories both locally and nationally when the White Sox were the cellar dwellers in the AL Central.  So why is the press going easy on the genius Gardenhire when his team has the worst record in MLB playing at a .333 clip?

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on May 25, 2011, 05:43:32 pm
This season the Twinkie's record is now 5-13 at Target Field.  The Humpdome home field advantage is long gone.

Wondered last year when that would happen. Kinda fridgid up there in Norse country
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on May 25, 2011, 07:26:14 pm
You beat me bad Andy, I saw that when I was reading up when I got home. He was playing superior league down home for his hometown last year
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 26, 2011, 03:11:24 pm
tough loss for the defending World Champions:

UPDATE: Buster Posey is out for the year with a fractured bone “in his lower left leg”

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/26/buster-posey-broken-leg-and-torn-ligaments-brandon-belt-called-up/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/26/buster-posey-broken-leg-and-torn-ligaments-brandon-belt-called-up/)

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on May 26, 2011, 09:04:18 pm
Almost the end of may... and Cleveland has the best record in baseball... who'd have seen that coming?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on May 26, 2011, 09:11:40 pm
Still don't think they can sustain it.  But even if they do, the only thing the Sox need to do to win the division is beat up on them.

I'm keeping my eye on Detroit, they strike me as the Sox real competition.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on May 27, 2011, 10:27:06 am
We have the Injuns number so far this year.  I'll bet it is just one of those quirky baseball things with no explanation.  Bad news for them though. 
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on June 01, 2011, 04:45:19 pm
I didn't think there was a worse Chicago team than the Sox this year but I think the Cubs are winning that title.  I know they've been decimated by injuries but they were pretty terrible even before that.  Boy are they bad.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on June 01, 2011, 05:06:04 pm
Twins are sinking like a rock and the Cubs are challenging Houston for last place in the NL.  Now if only the Yankees would start sucking wind....
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 01, 2011, 05:48:28 pm
It seems like every other day it's kablooey late in the game for the Twins or the Cubs and until recently, the Sox.

But for the Cubs and Sox, it's not quite as bad as it seems (not to say "good", just "not horrid"). Here's the ranking of teams by blown saves, which is kind of surprising. There are two teams, LAA and StL, ahead of MIN on that score, and both are strong contenders currently.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/sort/blownSaves/type/expanded/order/true
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on June 01, 2011, 08:29:12 pm
Wow...a unbelievably classy move by Barry Bonds:

Barry Bonds to pay college bills for kids of beaten Giants fan

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Barry-Bonds-will-pay-college-bills-for-Bryan-Sto?urn=mlb-wp7656
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on June 01, 2011, 08:59:17 pm
Twins lose again. 
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on June 01, 2011, 09:22:44 pm
Here's the ranking of teams by blown saves

Check out the numbers for Quality Starts on the basic stats rankings.  Northside Failures are trailing the pack by a good-sized margin.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on June 02, 2011, 10:27:43 am
Here's the ranking of teams by blown saves

Check out the numbers for Quality Starts on the basic stats rankings.  Northside Failures are trailing the pack by a good-sized margin.

Quality starts...they should have a stat like that for position players.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 03, 2011, 12:03:15 pm
Saw on MLB Network that the Tribe staff ERA over last 8 games is 8.22. Have kind of been waiting for that staff to falter.

Even if you look at their stats for the entire month of May, not that impressive. They're down there with some fairly not-good teams.

Unless they're going to buck the "less offense everywhere" trend (for instance, the only game where any team has scored 10 runs and lost this year is the season opener vs. the Sox, compare that to 5 or 10 years ago), they need to shore up that staff, or continue to hit, and a lot. A real lot.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching/split/41
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on June 03, 2011, 12:21:48 pm
I think they will continue to hit.  But there's no way that pitching staff is going to hold up throughout the season.

AL Central is a race between the Sox and Tigs.  Sox better take 2 of 3.  I'm conceding the Jackson v. Verlander game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on June 05, 2011, 12:24:32 pm
Suprised to learn the Illini are still (barely) alive in the NCAA Tourney.    Think their game is on ESPNU tonight at 6pm, but not positive.


http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/sports/illinois/cbsports-baseball-illinois-beats-kansas-state-53-to-stay-alive-20110604,0,3491261.story
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 05, 2011, 01:29:12 pm
They beat Okla State in the 2nd game? Nice
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on June 06, 2011, 02:43:01 pm
Wow...the wheels are flying off on the North Side:

Bob Brenly applauds Big Z's stance, rips Cubs as indifferent

Cubs broadcaster Bob Brenly added fuel to the Carlos Zambrano saga Monday, applauding the pitcher’s rant and referring to the Cubs as a “dead-ass team” with several indifferent players.

In an interview on "The Danny Mac Show" on WSCR-AM 670, Brenly said, “Big Z is just expressing what a lot of fans feel, what a lot of us broadcasters feel, and as usual, doesn’t always choose his words properly, doesn’t always choose his forum properly, but I applaud the emotions.

“This has been, once again, another dead-ass team. You’ve got some guys that look like they’re just playing out the string, and we’re only in the first (week) of June here, and we know from past experience that Carlos is not on e of those guys that can sit by idly and keep his mouth shut and just let things continue to spiral downward. He’s going to express his opinion, he’s going to be emotional about it when he does it.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/cbsports-brenly-applauds-zambranos-stance-rips-cubs-as-disinterested-20110606,0,5950695.story

How in the hell does Hendry keep that gig??  Cripes.


Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on June 06, 2011, 03:28:40 pm
Bob Brenly must REALLY want to manage again.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Joshpr on June 06, 2011, 05:15:35 pm
Same way Kenny keeps his
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 06, 2011, 05:58:21 pm
KW is 10 times the GM than Hendry. Not even **** close.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 06, 2011, 06:14:28 pm
Sox AAA team playing Lehigh Valley the past couple days, Pods leads off for them, hitting .229
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on June 06, 2011, 09:19:30 pm
KW is 10 times the GM than Hendry. Not even ****ing close.

Kenny Hendry has been pissing away a lot of money on bad contracts lately, though.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on June 06, 2011, 09:20:17 pm
KW is 10 times the GM than Hendry. Not even ****ing close.

Kenny Hendry has been ****ing away a lot of money on bad contracts lately, though.



edit:  you can't say p i s s?   That is lame.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 07, 2011, 06:58:36 am
He has, but nothing even close to the dolt up north
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 08, 2011, 03:01:11 pm
Twins beat Cleveland again today, we can pick up another game tonight
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2011, 06:15:10 pm
(http://thumbnails.truveo.com/0009/10/15/1015B5D067B89AC58C963B_Large.jpg)

Report: Grace arrested for DUI

By Cash Kruth / MLB.com | 06/08/11 6:44 PM ET

Former Major Leaguer and current D-backs announcer Mark Grace was arrested in Scottsdale, Ariz., on Memorial Day on suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol, according to an Arizona Republic report on Wednesday citing a police report.

Grace was stopped by Scottsdale police at 64th Street and Cochise Road shortly after 1 a.m. on May 30 when the 46-year-old made a wide right turn, according to the report. Police also saw Grace weave within the lane.

Grace did not have his wallet or driver's license with him at the time of his arrest, and he also admitted to "having a few drinks," police told the Republic.

Grace was arrested on suspecting of driving with a blood-alcohol level of more than 0.08 percent, the legal limit in Arizona, and being DUI-impaired, according to the report.

Grace, a three-time All-Star, played 16 Major League seasons with the Cubs and D-backs. He retired from baseball in 2003 and has since been a TV color commentator for the D-backs and FOX.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20217648&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20217648&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 08, 2011, 06:20:15 pm
guessing he was out searching for a slump breaker
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2011, 06:25:07 pm
My predictions of two stints on the DL this season has already come true before the All-Star break:


(http://www.sox1fan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bobby_jenks1.jpg)

Bobby Jenks back on the DL

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/06/jenks_to_dl_exp.html (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/06/jenks_to_dl_exp.html)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on June 08, 2011, 07:06:53 pm
Ol' Corn-fed.  Do not miss him...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on June 08, 2011, 07:40:25 pm
My predictions of two stints on the DL this season has already come true before the All-Star break:


(http://www.sox1fan.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bobby_jenks1.jpg)

Bobby Jenks back on the DL

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/06/jenks_to_dl_exp.html (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2011/06/jenks_to_dl_exp.html)

Like the old polka tune goes, "I dont want him you can have him, he's too fat for me." No wonder he is on the DL.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on June 08, 2011, 11:07:56 pm
I was hoping that when the Sox play in AZ that Gracie would take Dunn out for a Slump Buster.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2011, 06:35:57 pm
Hope this kid does well with all he's been through:

(http://static.sandiego.com/articlefiles/ee396788-5e50-4b39-b0ac-5d11736fffe1/Padres-Rizzo-Baseball_Cutl_325.jpg)

Rizzo prepared to take on big league challenge
Padres top hitting prospect has accomplished much in short time


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20205274&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20205274&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2011, 06:44:21 pm
It looks like Tommy John surgery is in Joba Chamberlain's near future:

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/09/joba-chamberlain-has-a-torn-elbow-ligament-tommy-john-surgery-likely/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/06/09/joba-chamberlain-has-a-torn-elbow-ligament-tommy-john-surgery-likely/)

You gotta love the douchey NY tabloids:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ztwxLQ_L9hY/TfI675JJktI/AAAAAAAAQs8/7mcz4wvtji8/s400/joba5.jpg)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 10, 2011, 11:43:08 am
Jim Northrup passed on. He was a good hitting CF for the Tigers in the mid to late 60s. Tigers made a drastic change just before the 1968 world series that let Northrup into the lineup fulltime. The moved the RH hitting platoon CF, Mickey Stanley, to SS for the WS, removing light hitting Ray Oyler from the lineup. Can you believe moving your CF to SS just for the WS, and it worked.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on June 10, 2011, 01:02:06 pm
Jim Northrup passed on. He was a good hitting CF for the Tigers in the mid to late 60s. Tigers made a drastic change just before the 1968 world series that let Northrup into the lineup fulltime. The moved the RH hitting platoon CF, Mickey Stanley, to SS for the WS, removing light hitting Ray Oyler from the lineup. Can you believe moving your CF to SS just for the WS, and it worked.

As a kid, I saw Northrup play many times at the old Tiger Stadium.  As you said, he was a powerful hitter... I remember him launching some impressive shots into the seats.  I actually got his autograph once on the back of a 1967 Tiger Yearbook (long gone).  Ray Oyler and Don Wert were good-field, no-hit players on that '68 team.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 10, 2011, 01:28:42 pm
Don Wert, wow, yeah.

They sure could hit everywhere else, Dick McAuliffe, Norm Cash, Kaline and Horton, Freehan. Good pitching too. McLain, Lolich etc....
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on June 10, 2011, 01:30:18 pm
Fury, is McAuliffe the one who tackled Tommy John and seperated his shoulder to knock him out for the season one year, I think John was 10-5 at the time.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on June 12, 2011, 01:40:29 am
As I recall, Northrup was one of a handful of major league playrs to hit to Grand Slams in one game
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on June 12, 2011, 05:14:44 am
Fury, is McAuliffe the one who tackled Tommy John and seperated his shoulder to knock him out for the season one year, I think John was 10-5 at the time.

I vaguely remember that incident... didn't McAuliffe claim that John was aiming at his head?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 12, 2011, 06:03:01 am
Fury, is McAuliffe the one who tackled Tommy John and seperated his shoulder to knock him out for the season one year, I think John was 10-5 at the time.

I vaguely remember that incident... didn't McAuliffe claim that John was aiming at his head?



(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-38jomWdscAo/TdW2EDusIVI/AAAAAAAAQew/CbpYOScJarU/s1600/tigersmcauliffe.jpg)


see:

http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=9057&bid=1321 (http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?a=v&v=l&pid=9057&bid=1321)

from the article:
Quote
Some sparks flew at Tiger Stadium with the Chicago White Sox in town on the night of August 22, 1968. "[Al Lopez] was managing the White Sox," McAuliffe remembers. "And they were not that far out of the race at the time. I was sort of the spark plug of the Tigers... scoring a lot of runs and playing good defense." Mickey Lolich was on the mound for Motown, Tommy John started for the Sox. McAuliffe played second, and led off the bottom of the first with a single. He scored on a Willie Horton single. "So [they must have] felt, if they were minus me, maybe John could hit me in the kneecap and I'd be out for two or three weeks, and they could catch up," Dick speculated.

The Tigers still led 1-0 when McAuliffe came up with one out in the bottom of the third. He remembers what happened next this way:

"[T]he first pitch at me was right at my head, and I mean right at my head. The catcher never laid any leather on it, and it hit the backstop. And I didn't think too much of it... Tommy John has got some of the best control you'll ever see, and he's a lowball, sinker-slider type of pitcher with great control [and] not a great deal of velocity, but he was throwing the ball hard at me that day. So he threw... the next pitch, he spun me down, threw it behind me. And I turned around to the umpire, Al Salerno, and I said, "Boy, if that thing hit me it would really put me away.' Al didn't say anything... and I've got a glare in my eye then but I didn't say anything. The count worked to 3-2, so I dug in, and there's no way that John is going to throw at me again. The next pitch... it hit the backstop again. And now I'm mad. But not mad enough to go out and charge him. So I take about two steps, and I'm glaring out at the mound at him... and he starts popping off at me [saying] 'What the hell are you looking at you... ' or something like that. And all I saw were stars after that, and I just rushed out at him, and both benches emptied."

John remembers the incident differently. "I was 10-5 with a 1.98 ERA and pitching against the Tigers in August. A 3-2 pitch slipped out of my hand and sailed over Dick McAuliffe's head. I didn't throw at him, but McAuliffe was yelling at me as he went to first, and he charged the mound. McAuliffe drove his knee into my left shoulder and separated it." John was out for the year; McAuliffe was suspended for five games and fined $250 by league president Joe Cronin. "John hit us four times in Chicago in June," said manager Smith. "They hit eight of our guys in the series there and we didn't hit any of theirs." Tigers G.M. Jim Campbell said "Cronin used bad judgment."

There was only one HBP in that entire four game series and it was when the Tigers Pat Dobson hit Pete Ward. The John game was the last game of the series. So, it was not 8-0, but actually 0-1! John did hit four Tigers in a game on 6/15, though he pitched against them again on June 30 and pitched a five-hit shutout with no HBPs.

Quote
"And they were not that far out of the race at the time." (douche-bag McAuliffe's recollection of the game)

At the end of the game, the White Sox were 52-74, in 9th place, 29 games back of the 1st place Tigers.

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1968/08221968.htm (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1968/08221968.htm)

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1968/B08220DET1968.htm (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1968/B08220DET1968.htm)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on June 12, 2011, 04:25:43 pm
Yeah, 1968 was the beginning of three pretty sucky years for the Sox
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2011, 06:43:15 pm
There won't be a "Stan Musial moment" for Derek Jeter this weekend at Wrigley:

(http://www.bullcitystateofmind.com/storage/6jeter.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1304947457031)

Yankees place Derek Jeter on 15-day DL with calf injury

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/06/derek-jeter-disabled-list-decision-yankees/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/06/derek-jeter-disabled-list-decision-yankees/1)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on June 15, 2011, 12:53:23 pm
We have absolutely no use for him right now, although down the road I could see him as bullpen help, possibly replace Pena:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/scott-kazmir-likely-to-be-released.html

At the price of letting the Angels pay him, I'd pick him up, throw him in AA and let him get healthy.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 15, 2011, 01:16:12 pm
Wait, I thought the Sox only get guys who pwn them but suck against everyone else. Kazmir has also sucked against the Sox.

Anyway, I favor this move and also getting him up to the big team so that whenever he takes the mound the Cell organist could play that Zeppelin song that sounds like his last name. Even if he sucks, it will have been worth it.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on June 16, 2011, 10:42:36 am
Wait, I thought the Sox only get guys who pwn them but suck against everyone else. Kazmir has also sucked against the Sox.

Anyway, I favor this move and also getting him up to the big team so that whenever he takes the mound the Cell organist could play that Zeppelin song that sounds like his last name. Even if he sucks, it will have been worth it.

The Led Zeppelin catalog is full of pompous, self-indulgent drivel, but that particular song stands out as truly one of their most abysmal.  Every time I hear it, I get the urge to kill.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 16, 2011, 10:57:24 am
You DO know that wasn't the point don't you? Not a "like" or "dislike" referendum?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on June 16, 2011, 11:00:55 am
You DO know that wasn't the point don't you? Not a "like" or "dislike" referendum?

I know.  But it's your fault.  You set me off.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on June 16, 2011, 11:30:09 am
Our old friend DeWayne Wise has found a new AAA home:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/06/marlins-sign-dewayne-wise.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on June 16, 2011, 12:02:41 pm
The Led Zeppelin catalog is full of pompous, self-indulgent drivel, but that particular song stands out as truly one of their most abysmal.

Heh.  Fury quite eloquently expressed my precise feelings on this matter.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 16, 2011, 12:06:32 pm
But it would still be cool and funny.

Especially if the organist tried to play it, vs. using a recording.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on June 19, 2011, 08:44:08 am
Guess who's been one of the hottest teams in baseball lately (without their entire roster!!)? We are one small losing streak from being passed up by the Twins yet again.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on June 23, 2011, 05:30:09 pm
Riggleman resigns while the team is on a 11-1 run?  Gotta figure that that isn't going to sit well with the Washington players, which hopefully plays out to the Sox' benefit while they're in town.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on June 24, 2011, 10:23:48 am
Riggleman resigns while the team is on a 11-1 run?  Gotta figure that that isn't going to sit well with the Washington players, which hopefully plays out to the Sox' benefit while they're in town.

Yeah, I think the chaos in the Nats' clubhouse will most likely work to our favor.  Then again, Riggleman quitting could galvanize them.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on June 27, 2011, 11:32:55 am
Among the 40 largest unsecured claims listed in the bankruptcy filing are former Dodger slugger Manny Ramirez at nearly $21 million; Andruw Jones at $11 million; pitcher Hiroki Kuroda at $4.4 million; and the Chicago White Sox at $3.5 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/news/story?id=6708046
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on June 28, 2011, 09:18:29 am
Back to 5 games out and now chasing the Tigers. Everyone thought it would be a fight between the Sox and Twins atop the division.  At least we're in striking distance....not that it means much since we're still playing like crap.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on June 28, 2011, 09:35:41 am
Back to 5 games out and now chasing the Tigers. Everyone thought it would be a fight between the Sox and Twins atop the division.  At least we're in striking distance....not that it means much since we're still playing like crap.

A 5 game lead is nothing.

At least that's what we'd all be saying if we were in the lead.  Which is probably a legitimate statement if that were the case.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 28, 2011, 09:52:25 am
Twins seem to have gotten a few recent reminders that they suck this year. Sox seem to get that sort of reminder at least once a series, so it's hard for a Sox fan to gloat much.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on June 28, 2011, 10:22:44 am
Mediocre and lukewarm.  Blecko
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on June 28, 2011, 12:11:49 pm
This team will finish 81-81.  Book it.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on June 28, 2011, 12:54:04 pm
... and 5.0 out of first place,leaving us with a big steaming pile of Woulda Shoulda Coulda!
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 28, 2011, 01:03:29 pm
Fury, you're up there, so you probably read more coverage of the Tigers and actually see them play during the periods when your TV hasn't been stolen or shot out. . .are they any good?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on June 28, 2011, 02:25:44 pm
"The 54-year-old Quade is in his first full season as the Cubs’ manager. Chicago has been beset by injuries this season, a factor in its disappointing start."  beset?  really? 
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on June 28, 2011, 04:20:53 pm
Fury, you're up there, so you probably read more coverage of the Tigers and actually see them play during the periods when your TV hasn't been stolen or shot out. . .are they any good?

They're good, but not THAT good.  If the Sox just had two more hitters actually producing, we'd be right there in it with them.  Of course, Verlander is having a hell of a year.

Assuming that the Tigers make the playoffs, my expectation is that they'll be knocked out in the first round.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2011, 03:40:25 pm
A few former White Sox players/prospects in the news this week:

MLB Transactions:

Friday July 1, 2011

Arizona Diamondbacks: Placed RHP J.J. Putz on the 15-day DL, retroactive to June 29.

Oakland A's:  Recalled RHP Fautino De Los Santos from Sacramento (PCL).

-------------------------

Thursday June 30, 2011

Boston Red Sox:  Designated OF Mike Cameron for assignment.

-------------------------

Wednesday June 29, 2011

New York Mets:  Placed OF Willie Harris on paternity leave.

--------------------------

Tuesday June 28, 2011

Boston Red Sox: Activated RHP Bobby Jenks from the 15-day DL.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on July 02, 2011, 06:05:33 pm
So Willie Harris is going to have a baby. I guess he is more feminine than I thought
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2011, 09:16:41 pm
Before you click on the link, see how many of the one present White Sox player and the 8 former Sox players you can name that are on the list:

MLB Power Rankings: The 50 Least Athletic MLB Players

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/742850-mlb-power-rankings-the-50-least-athletic-mlb-players?utm_campaign=outbrain&utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/742850-mlb-power-rankings-the-50-least-athletic-mlb-players?utm_campaign=outbrain&utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral)




Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2011, 09:25:20 pm
Great news from Minne-haha!

Twinkies blow a 7-0 lead and lose 8-7 to the Brew Crew at Target Field. 

Thome striking out to end the game is the icing on the cake!

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_07_02_milmlb_minmlb_1&mode=box (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_07_02_milmlb_minmlb_1&mode=box)

http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_18400078 (http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_18400078)

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on July 03, 2011, 08:40:48 am
Before you click on the link, see how many of the one present White Sox player and the 8 former Sox players you can name that are on the list:

MLB Power Rankings: The 50 Least Athletic MLB Players

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/742850-mlb-power-rankings-the-50-least-athletic-mlb-players?utm_campaign=outbrain&utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/742850-mlb-power-rankings-the-50-least-athletic-mlb-players?utm_campaign=outbrain&utm_source=outbrain.com&utm_medium=referral)

The fact that they call CC Sabathia "unathletic" is all you need to know about the credibility of The Bleacher Report.

I've heard numerous announcers and analysts call him the MOST athletic pitcher.

That list might as well be called "the list of guys over 35 and/or over 260 pounds."
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on July 03, 2011, 10:07:05 am
How do you pronounce Quade?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on July 03, 2011, 10:12:01 pm
Looks like the NL did better this year during interleague. The AL still had the winning record but they were not nearly as dominant this year as in the past couple years.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 04, 2011, 07:56:43 am
How do you pronounce Quade?

Ter-ry Bev-ing-ton


It's pronounced  KWAH-dee
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on July 04, 2011, 11:46:28 am
Thanks.

Why does he pronounce his name wrong?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 05, 2011, 01:50:14 am
(http://www.homeruncards.com/imagesrc/venturatt.jpg)

Ankle transplant surgery gave former baseball star Robin Ventura a new lease on life

Virtually immobilized by pain from an old injury, the former White Sox (and Dodgers) third baseman has been practically pain free since a surgeon inserted an ankle joint from a cadaver in his right ankle in 2005.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/la-sp-crowes-nest-20110620,0,7187237,full.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/la-sp-crowes-nest-20110620,0,7187237,full.column)

   
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on July 05, 2011, 10:29:08 am
Tigers fire pitching coach Rick Knapp

DETROIT -- The Detroit Tigers have fired pitching coach Rick Knapp.

The relatively surprising move was made after Detroit beat the San Francisco Giants 6-3 Sunday.

Bullpen coach Jeff Jones was promoted to replace Knapp, who was in his third season with the Tigers. Mike Rojas becomes the team's bullpen coach after working as its director of player development.

Tigers manager Jim Leyland says Knapp is the first coach that's been fired from his staff during a season. Leyland says he and team president Dave Dombrowski made the mutual decision because something needed to be done.

Dombrowski says the Tigers have not pitched as well as they're capable of this season, insisting Knapp doesn't deserve all of the blame.


Detroit's pitching staff has a 4.39 ERA.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6735828

Too bad KW and Ozzie don't have the stones to ditch their buddy Walker...





Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on July 05, 2011, 11:03:30 am
yep, pathetic.   
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on July 05, 2011, 11:25:32 am
Tigers fire pitching coach Rick Knapp

DETROIT -- The Detroit Tigers have fired pitching coach Rick Knapp.

The relatively surprising move was made after Detroit beat the San Francisco Giants 6-3 Sunday.

Bullpen coach Jeff Jones was promoted to replace Knapp, who was in his third season with the Tigers. Mike Rojas becomes the team's bullpen coach after working as its director of player development.

Tigers manager Jim Leyland says Knapp is the first coach that's been fired from his staff during a season. Leyland says he and team president Dave Dombrowski made the mutual decision because something needed to be done.

Dombrowski says the Tigers have not pitched as well as they're capable of this season, insisting Knapp doesn't deserve all of the blame.


Detroit's pitching staff has a 4.39 ERA.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6735828

Too bad KW and Ozzie don't have the stones to ditch their buddy Walker...

You cant make .300 hitters out of .200 hitters. Kenny is to blame for putting this team together. I am not a Walker fan, but I cant blame him for the talent on the team. It all starts with the drafting and lowballing the good talent.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on July 05, 2011, 12:29:42 pm
Our offense has been underacheiving for years, and the lone constant has been Walker.

It's well past time for him to go.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on July 05, 2011, 04:20:46 pm
You couldnt be wrong about that could you? I mean maybe the talent is overrated to begin with. Maybe you are expecting more out of what we have that they arent capable of.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on July 05, 2011, 04:38:30 pm
I'm expecting an offense that isn't routinely shut down by guys making their debut.

I'm expecting an offense that doesn't look clueless against soft-tossin' lefties.

I'm expecting an offense that works harder at hitting to all fields.

I'm expecting an offense that's able to alter its approach depending on who's pitching (moving up in the box, choking up, etc.)

I'm expecting a guy like Gordon Beckham to be better than what he's shown.

I'm expecting Adam Dunn to at least be a .230 hitter.

There's a lot of stuff wrong with our hitting that I think can be better addressed by someone else.  It has nothing to do with talent, it's all about the approach.  Walker has failed. 
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on July 05, 2011, 08:29:01 pm
I'm expecting an offense that isn't routinely shut down by guys making their debut.

I'm expecting an offense that doesn't look clueless against soft-tossin' lefties.

I'm expecting an offense that works harder at hitting to all fields.

I'm expecting an offense that's able to alter its approach depending on who's pitching (moving up in the box, choking up, etc.)

I'm expecting a guy like Gordon Beckham to be better than what he's shown.

I'm expecting Adam Dunn to at least be a .230 hitter.

There's a lot of stuff wrong with our hitting that I think can be better addressed by someone else.  It has nothing to do with talent, it's all about the approach.  Walker has failed.

I think some of our "talent" is not so talented, but I do agree with you about Walker.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on July 05, 2011, 08:46:43 pm
I think some of our "talent" is not so talented, but I do agree with you about Walker.

Dunn.
Swisher.
Rios (though he did suck before he came as well...).
Beckham.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on July 07, 2011, 09:59:41 am
"The big buzz around baseball is whether or not the Cubs can catch the Astros.  They definitely are going for it."
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2011, 06:26:07 pm
An opportunity for Kenny to phone Brian Cashman and offer him Teahen for a mediocre prospect +/or a bag of used baseballs.  Remind Cashman that he owes him for the Swisher deal:

Alex Rodriguez to have knee surgery

Alex Rodriguez is going to have surgery to repair the torn meniscus in his right knee and is expected to miss four to six weeks.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/10/SPD11K8HFH.DTL#ixzz1Rw6keHKW (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/10/SPD11K8HFH.DTL#ixzz1Rw6keHKW)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on July 12, 2011, 11:53:22 pm
Of course, if that happened Teahen would immediately turn into a superstar.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on July 13, 2011, 06:17:26 am
I'd take the bag of balls and be happy.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 13, 2011, 06:01:23 pm
(http://kiwaniscluboflindenhurst.org/Files/Clubs/Illinois/1056/Photos/Lake%20County%20Fielders.jpg)

Read an interesting story on the Kevin Costner owned Lake County Fielders in the Chicago Sun-Times this Sunday.  They are an independent minor league team who started the season with a 32-game road trip going 20-12.  Very positive fluff piece comparable to the crap usually found in the Cubs-owned Vineline:

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print)

Then, the next day, an article in the Sun-Times about the turmoil within the Lake County Fielders with the manager resigning and eleven players refusing to play since they weren't being paid:

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print)

Next day's article reports on the LC Fielders making wholesale trades and firings of their on-field personnel due to the 'walkout':

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print)

Today's article has the LC Fielders' management putting the blame on the city of Zion, IL for their troubles:

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=print)

The wonders of independent minor league baseball!  Four different managers for 4 games.  Trading 9 players and releasing 14 other players in one day. Firing coaches. Can't wait to see what happens next in this soap opera. BTW, they are in 1st place with a win last night giving them a 25-15 record for the season.



Lake County Fielders website: http://www.fieldersbaseball.com/ (http://www.fieldersbaseball.com/)





Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on July 18, 2011, 10:14:34 pm
Texas has won 11 in a row now. Sigh......must be nice. 
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on July 18, 2011, 10:59:44 pm
They'll be soft come playoff time and ripe for an early exit.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on July 24, 2011, 09:24:29 pm
From espn.com:

Liriano lasted only 2 1/3 innings, allowing four runs on six hits, four walks and two wild pitches. He needed 78 pitches to record seven outs.

Just makes the whole "the-Sox-got-no-hit-by-this-chode" memory even more painful.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on July 24, 2011, 09:30:46 pm
Next time he faces us he goes the distance shutting us out on 5 hits
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on July 27, 2011, 10:10:34 am
Can anyone tell me why people are calling this "the worst blown call ever"? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9LjarKHvTk&feature=player_embedded

Seems to me it's an awesome call by Jerry Meals.  The catcher whiffed.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on July 27, 2011, 10:16:15 am
-1 Karma for you for not warning us that Chip Carey's voice was prominent in the clip.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on July 27, 2011, 11:01:40 am
http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/twins-shocked-to-learn-you-can-score-2-runs-in-sam,20989/

A laugh at the expense of the Twins.  Gotta love that.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 27, 2011, 01:25:32 pm
No-Hitter Alert!

Ervin Santana has a no-hitter going into the bottom of the ninth in Cleveland.

 MLB Network & ESPN are live with the telecast.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 27, 2011, 01:26:14 pm
Strikeout!

Two to go for a no-no.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 27, 2011, 01:26:59 pm
Ground out 4-3.

One more to go!
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 27, 2011, 01:28:29 pm
can of corn to center!

He's done it!

Ervin Santana has no-hit the Indians in Cleveland!
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Post by: SoxRule on July 27, 2011, 01:44:52 pm
Indians made 5 errors. Wow!
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Post by: Fury on July 27, 2011, 09:20:30 pm
Indians made 5 errors. Wow!

Ah jeez, Wshfl won't like the Tribe anymore now.
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Post by: 4nek8 on July 28, 2011, 11:32:18 am
Every time I get fed up with the Sox and their organization, these guys seem to do something to make me realize that it could be worse.

From espn.com:

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/6811895/chicago-cubs-trade-kosuke-fukudome-cleveland-indians
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Post by: boatdrink on July 28, 2011, 11:59:37 am
Rios is our Fukudome, with an extra year + of contract.

But I think Rios can become a pretty good player again with a competent hitting coach.  Look at this clip from 2008 when he hit .291... see anything different?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaYC2IH9f3w&feature=related

I know Walker got him to drop his hands once he came over, but it's pretty clear to me that for him to be successful he needs to set up much, much higher.  I don't see how a 6'5" guy can hit with his hands down so low while in a semi-crouch.  IMO, he needs to mimic the approach another 6'5" guy takes...hands up high, no crouch, and slightly open:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN9YrcmNcpg

But hey, I'm just a fan.  What do I know, right?
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Post by: msf on July 28, 2011, 01:14:25 pm
Abner Abreu, are you serious? What the **** kind of name is that.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 28, 2011, 03:18:03 pm
Detroit getting hammered today.  Their BP is pretty brutal.  We'll be 3 back going into the weekend.  If we can somehow gain one more game through the Yanks series, we'll be in excellent shape to be leading the division by 3 games going into Sept
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Post by: BlackSox on July 28, 2011, 03:35:34 pm
wee bit o' good news -- Beckett pitched for Boston today, so we won't get shutout by him this weekend.
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Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2011, 03:36:27 pm
wee bit o' good news -- Beckett pitched for Boston today, so we won't get shutout by him this weekend.

.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 28, 2011, 03:36:52 pm
Detroit getting hammered today.  Their BP is pretty brutal.

It is brutal, 4.65 ERA, right at the bottom of the league, only worse team is, NO, can it be? The Genious's bullpen.

EDIT: Additionally, Penny only gave them 3 1/3, so lots of wear to pile onto that already shytty pen. That is good.
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Post by: boatdrink on July 28, 2011, 03:47:35 pm
We could very well be the tallest midget in the AL Central come September, but our offense needs to at least be mediocre to make it happen...
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Post by: joeconners on July 28, 2011, 04:03:24 pm
The Sox have the best team ERA in the AL Central.

The Sox also have the fewest runs scored in the AL Central.
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Post by: ISF on July 28, 2011, 04:38:26 pm
Hideki Irabu appears to have committed suicide at his LA home.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/28/report-ex-major-league-pitcher-irabu-found-dead/?hpt=hp_p1&iref=NS1
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on July 28, 2011, 08:41:51 pm
Phillies and Braves are both losing so far and both only have 1 run. Maybe they'll start getting desperate for a bat!
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 29, 2011, 08:57:41 am
I'm not sure I follow some of this. Pretty sure SoxRule is referring to Rios when mentioning teams desperate for a bat. I'd think they could find something better elsewhere (local pony league teams), but you never know.

Beyond Rios, I don't get ANY talk of moving Quentin. Isn't it the White Sox who are also desperate for offense? And there's interest in moving a guy with 62 RBI; an OBP of .353; OPS of .863; OPS of .825 2 outs, RISP; and an OPS of .927 late & close?

If the Sox get blown out of the race over the next 2 series, I can see it, but other than that, not so much.
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Post by: joeconners on July 29, 2011, 09:00:07 am
I'm not sure I follow some of this. Pretty sure SoxRule is referring to Rios when mentioning teams desperate for a bat. I'd think they could find something better elsewhere (local pony league teams), but you never know.

Beyond Rios, I don't get ANY talk of moving Quentin. Isn't it the White Sox who are also desperate for offense? And there's interest in moving a guy with 62 RBI; an OBP of .353; OPS of .863; OPS of .825 2 outs, RISP; and an OPS of .927 late & close?

If the Sox get blown out of the race over the next 2 series, I can see it, but other than that, not so much.

Quentin would yield a lot, depending on whether or not your name is Wshfl.

The idea I think is for Viciedo to step right in.

The other side of the coin also is the thought, "could this offense POSSIBLY get worse?"  I'm not sure we know the answer to that one.
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Post by: SoxRule on July 29, 2011, 10:17:57 am
It really depends on what KW feels about this team. Does he believe in it fully? Sure we might be very much in the race still but unless a couple other guys beyond Konerko and Quentin start hitting we're probably not going very far anyway. So then there are a couple things to consider:

Does the org trust Quentin stay healthy every year? He does get hot at times but then he also has lots of cold streaks where he pops up on the first pitch. And yes, every hitter goes through cold streaks but that's when you have to decide if you want to sell high on a player. Our farm system is barren. If Quentin can net us 2-3 or 3-4 good to very good prospects it's something to consider for the future.

Unfortunately you have to give up quality to get quality.
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Post by: Method on July 29, 2011, 10:28:26 am
Unless you are the one making deals with KW... then you can give up crap and get quality.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on July 29, 2011, 10:33:53 am
Unless you are the one making deals with KW... then you can give up crap and get quality.

As soon as I posted I knew this type of statement was forthcoming. You don't give him enough credit. Yes he's made some bad deals....as every GM has....but he's made some really good moves too. This type of statement is unfair, imo.

But you'll defend Ozzie who's an embarrassing asshat.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on July 29, 2011, 10:35:00 am
Ozzies mistakes dont cost millions of dollars and handcuff our team for years to come.

See Alex Rios. Ozzie has the balls to bench the asshat, KW claims the embarrassment from another team.
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Post by: ISF on July 29, 2011, 10:58:31 am
As the resident politician, I'd like to offer a compromise bill;

KW, Ozzie and Alex are all embarassing asshats and should all be jettisoned.

Of course, since they are all minorities and this might seem a racist move, I'll also throw in Greg Walker as the token white guy.

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on July 29, 2011, 11:00:07 am
Ozzies mistakes dont cost millions of dollars and handcuff our team for years to come.

See Alex Rios. Ozzie has the balls to bench the asshat, KW claims the embarrassment from another team.

Ozzie's mistakes cost us WINS. And he didn't have the balls to bench Rios. In fact, it was KW who said he was bringing up DeAza and that Rios was being benched indefinitely. Then Ozzie turns around and says he's going to find a way to play both DeAza and Rios. Okay.

Hey, both men have issues. I just can't see how you can be so against one and not the other.
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Post by: joeconners on July 29, 2011, 11:06:54 am
See Alex Rios. Ozzie has the balls to bench the asshat, KW claims the embarrassment from another team.

He's finally benched said asshat after 100 games.

The best thing to come out of this conversation is the revelation that "asshat" isn't censored.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 29, 2011, 11:12:19 am
Test: assclown.

Interesting.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on July 29, 2011, 11:14:59 am
Test: asscaptain.

Interesting.

Quoting Jeter for my own test so the blame goes to him.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on July 29, 2011, 04:21:15 pm
Quentin would yield a lot, depending on whether or not your name is Wshfl.

Hey! Easy bro. I am in favor of unloading Quentin. We need more talent both for the system to develop and for the big league club.

I just want position players that arent glorified DHs.
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Post by: Method on July 29, 2011, 06:49:01 pm
assfucker?
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Post by: Fury on July 30, 2011, 10:42:47 am

I just want position players that arent glorified DHs.

Well, you're just not going to get THAT.
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Post by: 4nek8 on July 30, 2011, 12:02:52 pm
Isn't it the White Sox who are also desperate for offense? And there's interest in moving a guy with 62 RBI; an OBP of .353; OPS of .863; OPS of .825 2 outs, RISP; and an OPS of .927 late & close?

Kinda where my head is at too.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 30, 2011, 06:03:28 pm
Right, he pops out some times, and looks bad some times. That places him in the category of "pretty much every one who's ever played".
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on August 03, 2011, 06:17:27 pm
Dan Uggla:  he's no Adam Dunn.

Hanging around the .170 mark in early July, he's gone 34-for-96 with 11 HRs since July 5th, raising his average around 40 points.

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on August 06, 2011, 03:17:49 pm
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/393973/august-04-2011/sport-report---baseball-s-lowest-records--gambling-on-players---stephen-controls-mlb-s-twitter-feed

Colbert weighs in on adam dung.
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Post by: Shoeless on August 12, 2011, 10:39:15 pm
Dimbrano....Big Z...LMFAO!!! Walks out on his team.  Where the hell are all those Zambrano **** sucking coo fans right now!  Ricketts!!!!!
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Post by: aka Loveland on August 13, 2011, 10:40:08 am
Again?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 13, 2011, 12:40:38 pm
Dimbrano....Big Z...LMFAO!!! Walks out on his team.
 
Adam Dunn? Alex Rios? You watching this? And he HITS better than either of you.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on August 15, 2011, 02:35:58 pm
Delmon Young to the Tigers.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on August 15, 2011, 08:07:28 pm
Congratulations to Jim Thome on #600.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on August 15, 2011, 11:06:59 pm
Jim Thome is such an asshat he didnt let Rowand get to 600 first.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on August 15, 2011, 11:29:24 pm
I hear that he flipped the bird to a toddler sitting in the first row behind the dugout as a celebratory gesture.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 16, 2011, 09:43:32 am
Absurd-
Texas Rangers fan who died at game to be honored with statue


http://www.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/08/16/texas.baseball.fall/

Some pretty funny comments though.
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Post by: Fury on August 17, 2011, 06:00:30 am
The comments prove that Texas Rangers fans do exist.  Who knew?
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Post by: BlackSox on August 19, 2011, 10:24:58 am
Hendry:  he gone
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Post by: boatdrink on August 19, 2011, 10:46:32 am
Wow.  Prolly about 4 years too late for those loosers...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 19, 2011, 10:55:32 am
loosers


Excellent
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 27, 2011, 02:48:44 pm
Hunnie's son played in the Cape Cod Wooden Bat League this summer:

http://www.pointstreak.com/baseball/player.html?playerid=149914 (http://www.pointstreak.com/baseball/player.html?playerid=149914)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on August 30, 2011, 09:17:22 pm
Man, what happened to the Pirates? 

There are times that I think that it's not such a good idea to be buyers at the trade deadline and bring in new players.  Mucks with the "chemistry," I suppose.  Definitely seems to be the case with the Bucs -- they got to August with a winning record playing the guys they had, why not run with it?
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Post by: msf on August 31, 2011, 09:12:37 am
Man, what happened to the Pirates? 

There are times that I think that it's not such a good idea to be buyers at the trade deadline and bring in new players.  Mucks with the "chemistry," I suppose.  Definitely seems to be the case with the Bucs -- they got to August with a winning record playing the guys they had, why not run with it?

Agree on the chemistry. In 2005 we did not add much, just a couple minor adjustments, chemistry stayed good.
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Post by: Method on August 31, 2011, 11:47:08 am
Man, what happened to the Pirates? 

There are times that I think that it's not such a good idea to be buyers at the trade deadline and bring in new players.  Mucks with the "chemistry," I suppose.  Definitely seems to be the case with the Bucs -- they got to August with a winning record playing the guys they had, why not run with it?

Last months 19th inning debacle seemed to take it out of the pirates... they've been on a skid ever since that game against the braves where they called the guy safe when he was obviously out.
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Post by: aka Loveland on August 31, 2011, 11:56:58 am
Oh yea, I forgot about that.
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Post by: Method on August 31, 2011, 12:05:21 pm
They gotta feel the world is against them after that, years of losing and then an obvious out in the 19th bloody inning gives the win away.

I tried to find the video on monday for my dad... MLB has had it removed from just about everywhere.

The braves player was walking to dugout with his head down... 5 steps away from home and hears SAFE!... he was shocked.

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Post by: BlackSox on August 31, 2011, 05:33:21 pm
Rowand DFA'd.
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Post by: aka Loveland on August 31, 2011, 06:15:01 pm
Going off the steroids was the death of him.
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Post by: 4nek8 on August 31, 2011, 06:23:33 pm
Rowand doesn't take steroids -- steroids take Aaron Rowand.
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Post by: PeteWard on August 31, 2011, 09:56:52 pm
He won two World Series and made boat load of money.  Not a bad career.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on August 31, 2011, 11:20:17 pm
Now that he'll have some time for it, I'd like to imagine wacky bang-ups he could get into around the house or the boat.
 
"Aaron, you really need to get up there and take care of those gutters"-type things.
 
Of course he's not cleaning his own gutters, but it's still fun. Maybe a yacht-polishing mishap or something.
 
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Post by: BlackSox on September 01, 2011, 09:51:41 am
yacht-polishing mishap

Sounds like a [bad] Coldplay song.

Yes, including "bad" makes it redundant.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on September 05, 2011, 08:37:11 pm
KW wasted allot of $$$ this year at least he did not waste any here:

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/15531594/news-briefs-red-sox-reliever-jenks-put-on-60day-dl
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Post by: 4nek8 on September 05, 2011, 09:46:55 pm
As if there was a shred of doubt that Jenks had anything left.  He completely lost it last year and I certainly didn't see much of a chance that he'd rebound.  Billy Koch Part II.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 10, 2011, 08:11:31 pm

(http://chuckandvince.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Player-Hudson-Daniel-2011-01.jpg)


Daniel Hudson's stats since being traded to the D-Backs for Edwin Jackson thirteen months ago (July 30, 2010):


W     L     %    ERA    G   GS   GF   CG   SHO     IP      H    R     ER   HR   BB   IBB   SO  WHIP
23   10   .697   2.93   41   41   0   3     0     282.2    251  104   92   22   59    1   226  1.097


...and all of this while making just above the MLB minimum.  Hudson's making  $419K vs. Edwin Jackson's $8.35M.  Hudson's salary is 1/20 of Jackson's salary.  Hudson also isn't eligible for arbitration until AFTER the 2013 season.

20-year old left-handed pitcher David Holmberg was also sent to Arizona in the trade.  He's doing great in their system.


Nice trade Kenny! </sarcasm>
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Post by: PeteWard on September 11, 2011, 05:36:06 pm
Hudson also will get to pitch in the playoffs this year; Jackson won't
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 13, 2011, 06:19:12 am
Paul Konerko named one of the six finalists for the Major League Baseball Players' Association Marvin Miller Man of the Year Award:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110912&content_id=24589704&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110912&content_id=24589704&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2011, 08:13:37 am
What kind of award is that
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Post by: msf on September 13, 2011, 05:43:54 pm
Paul Konerko named one of the six finalists for the Major League Baseball Players' Association Marvin Miller Man of the Year Award:

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110912&content_id=24589704&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110912&content_id=24589704&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)

Probably a small statue of the Howard Hughes wannabe.
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Post by: WshflThinking on September 13, 2011, 07:49:44 pm
Any statue of Howard Hughes would have to be invisible
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 15, 2011, 11:21:40 am
Kicker on the main espn.com story today (Prince Fielder likely going to sign elsewhere in the offseason):

Prince Fielder declared this is probably his last year in Milwaukee. Why would he bring this up now?

In the article, it clearly states "when asked about" -- so all of the musings about Fielder creating drama and what-not are a joke.  The media initiated the topic and the guy answered a question.  Who's stirring the pot here?   

Jackals....
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Post by: SoxRule on September 15, 2011, 11:46:02 am
 I suspect the problem is that most players fall into the media's trap. Fielder (and any other player in his situation) should learn from players before him and when asked about their contract just say something like, "I'm in the middle of a pennant race with the Milwaukee Brewers. Once our season is over is when I will address questions about my contract. Until then, my focus needs to be on this baseball team."

Shouldn't be too hard.
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Post by: 4nek8 on September 15, 2011, 12:24:33 pm
Yeah, was thinking about that after I posted.  But still, the media baits them into this kind of situation and then calls it a controversy.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on September 15, 2011, 05:06:55 pm
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6973624/florida-marlins-logan-morrison-files-grievance-demotion

Looks like morrison would fit right in with the Sox.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on September 15, 2011, 07:43:27 pm
Thats why Ozzie wants to manage the Marlins, right? What an organization to work for!
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Shoeless on September 19, 2011, 04:16:38 pm
Twins were once 50-56.  Now 59-93.  Ouch.  That's a run of 9-37.  Can't believe too many teams have been that bad in a 46 game stretch in quite some time.
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Post by: aka Loveland on September 19, 2011, 05:33:38 pm
Wow!

The last time we played them I had the Twins feed and their was no joyous "Circle me Bert"  conversation going on.  They sounded really reaaly frustrated.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on September 20, 2011, 09:14:54 am
Twins were once 50-56.  Now 59-93.  Ouch.  That's a run of 9-37.  Can't believe too many teams have been that bad in a 46 game stretch in quite some time.

Amazing, lots of rumors going around about Mauer, now it is being called slignt pneumonia, something is really wrong with that kid, he went from stud to wuss in such a short time. Morneau at least has an excuse. So they have 2 guys that eat up so much salary and got nothing out of them.

We can also thank those chodes for sending Delmon Young to Detroit, their streak started when they got Young, and he was red hot with them
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Post by: joeconners on September 20, 2011, 04:29:03 pm
Amazing, lots of rumors going around about Mauer, now it is being called slignt pneumonia, something is really wrong with that kid, he went from stud to wuss in such a short time. Morneau at least has an excuse. So they have 2 guys that eat up so much salary and got nothing out of them.

So we've got that in common....
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on September 20, 2011, 05:08:00 pm
Amazing, lots of rumors going around about Mauer, now it is being called slignt pneumonia, something is really wrong with that kid, he went from stud to wuss in such a short time. Morneau at least has an excuse. So they have 2 guys that eat up so much salary and got nothing out of them.

So we've got that in common....

Their's eat up a helluva lot more. But I get your point.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on September 20, 2011, 09:39:53 pm
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lots of rumors going around about Mauer, now it is being called slignt pneumonia, something is really wrong with that kid, he went from stud to wuss in such a short time.

You mean the Twins' GM wasn't able to foresee such a thing? He should be fired for offering that big contract to Mauer!
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Post by: Method on September 20, 2011, 09:54:35 pm
Mauer had just won an MVP award... Rios was being put on waivers with 96 million remaining on a contract...

Totally the same thing.
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Post by: SoxRule on September 20, 2011, 10:15:44 pm
Uh, I was comparing Mauer to Dunn. You know, a guy who was a consistent power hitter the past 6 or 7 years with a high amount of walks? Up until this year, at least.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on September 21, 2011, 08:24:55 am
Mauer consistently hit over 300 which helped his high OBP... he was a good all around hitter... Dunn ONLY hit for power and took walks...

Dunn has always struck out a ton and walked a ton. those two things didnt change this year.

Mauer was also a 26 year old coming off an MVP season at Catcher when they gave him that boat load of cash... Dunn was 5 years older and has never finished in the top 20 for MVP voting in any season...

Mauer was an all star 4 of 5 years before signing his contract.... Dunn made the all star team once in his career.... 8 years before we gave him his contract.

There is no comparison between the two deals...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: msf on September 21, 2011, 09:29:02 am
Mauer consistently hit over 300 which helped his high OBP... he was a good all around hitter... Dunn ONLY hit for power and took walks...

Dunn has always struck out a ton and walked a ton. those two things didnt change this year.

Mauer was also a 26 year old coming off an MVP season at Catcher when they gave him that boat load of cash... Dunn was 5 years older and has never finished in the top 20 for MVP voting in any season...

Mauer was an all star 4 of 5 years before signing his contract.... Dunn made the all star team once in his career.... 8 years before we gave him his contract.

There is no comparison between the two deals...

No way you can blame KW for Dunn, the guy went to **** overnight. I mean, he has hit 30-40 homers a year for over 10 years, no way anyone expected him to do this. I praised KW cause I did not think we would put the money out for Dunn. Not his fault. Plus he tried real hard for Adrian Gonzalez (I read a BA article that said the Sox just about out bid the BoSox for him), and then we looked for Victor Martinez and for some reason he went to Detroit, I think we thought we had him. Either of them come instead of Dunn and we win the division.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on September 21, 2011, 09:42:11 am
Not blaming him for it... nor am i giving him credit.

Credit goes to JR for opening check book, KW didnt come out of his own pocket to go sign him.

Comparing giving that kinda money to dunn vs mauer though is silly... mauer was in a class of his own when he got his contract... and a LOT younger.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on September 21, 2011, 10:05:21 am
Mauer played a position on the field and there was talk of him being the best catcher ever.  Dunn was signed as a DH.  Not comparable monitarily.
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Post by: aka Loveland on September 21, 2011, 10:08:35 am
Regarding Dunn.  I think you always take a chance when you ask a guy to change leagues.  There have just been too many examples of people who were never the same.

Griffey
Dunn
Beltran
I'll even throw Thome in there, he was never what the Phillies expected him to be.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 21, 2011, 10:13:28 am
Can we add Peavy to that list too?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on September 21, 2011, 10:47:56 am
They can be compared for the simple fact that just like every GM would want Mauer on their team, every GM would also want an Adam Dunn on their team. No one saw Mauer hitting only 3 HR's this year and not playing much, or whatever the case turned into for him. And every single baseball expert has been mystified about Dunn this year.

No one in baseball could have foreseen this type of season from him. No one. Yet there are fans calling for KW's head for signing Dunn. Listen, KW has made plenty of mistakes that he can be blamed for. Dunn is not one of them. He could not in any way, shape or form predict this would happen. Just like the Twins' GM with Mauer.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on September 21, 2011, 10:50:20 am
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I think you always take a chance when you ask a guy to change leagues.

And of course the guy KW really wanted, Adrian Gonzalez, is having an MVP-type season in Boston.  Figures. It's only hitters the Sox sign that have trouble switching leagues.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on September 21, 2011, 11:43:40 am
I'm not calling for his head for signing dunn... Its the other 100 or so moronic moves over the last decade. enough is enough.

I'm just berry barry fed up with his ability to put together a decent team with all the resources he has at his disposal.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on September 21, 2011, 12:46:44 pm
I'm just berry barry fed up with his ability to put together a decent team with all the resources he has at his disposal.


heh, that still is barry berry funny
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on September 21, 2011, 01:40:34 pm
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I think you always take a chance when you ask a guy to change leagues.

And of course the guy KW really wanted, Adrian Gonzalez, is having an MVP-type season in Boston.  Figures. It's only hitters the Sox sign that have trouble switching leagues.

...or not switching leagues.

See: Rios, Alex; Swisher, Nick; Beckham, Gordon.

The common denominator?  Greg Walker.  I've been saying it for at least 2 years now.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 21, 2011, 02:29:59 pm
Yep.  Walker needs to go first before KW or Guillen.  See if there's noticeable improvement under a new coaching staff before pinning this sorry-arse season on Kenny's deals or Ozzie's managing (both of which are also suspect, mind you).
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on September 21, 2011, 02:40:56 pm
Ozzie needs to go just for the fact he wouldn't launch his buddy Walker.  As JC alluded to earlier, the writing's been on the wall for awhile.

This entire organization is loyal to a fault.  Fire them all.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on September 21, 2011, 03:25:35 pm
That would be fun.


I'd like to keep Don Cooper, though.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on September 21, 2011, 04:18:38 pm
Ah luv Coop, but the new guy in charge should be free to make his own hiring decisions - sans the Sodfather, of course.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on September 21, 2011, 05:36:16 pm
No need to fire Harold or Joey or Coxie or even Walker or Coop either. Their contracts run out. None of them have contracts for next year. Ozzie is the only one with a contract for next year and he is fi-fi-ing for an extension
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 21, 2011, 07:06:35 pm
I'd like to keep Don Cooper, though

Keep Baines too.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on September 21, 2011, 09:35:28 pm
Picking and choosing is up to the new manager and GM not the fans.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 22, 2011, 12:56:44 am
I learn something new everyday from this guy...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on September 22, 2011, 10:01:11 am
Ugh...  another one bites the dust.  More frickin' red & blue.


(http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baseball_marlins/files/2011/09/marlins-logo-new.jpg)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/fl-marlins-braves-highlights-0922-20110921,0,5373812.story
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on September 22, 2011, 10:13:43 am
At least it's a dusty red.

No one can possiby mistake that for a fish btw, it looks more like one of those new yachts.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 22, 2011, 11:21:15 am
And the blue does not appear to be royal blue, so there's that. It's almost like a celestial blue or han blue or even topaz.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on September 22, 2011, 12:28:00 pm
Its ugly.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on September 22, 2011, 12:47:07 pm
That logo is horrendous. But it doesn't look red and blue at all to me. It looks more like orange, yellow, white and blue. It kind of reminds me of the Expos' logo. And yeah, they couldn't draw up a better looking fish than that??

Wow. Just so bad on so many levels.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on September 22, 2011, 01:38:47 pm
It's putrid.  And I think their trying to incorporate the "fish" and the stadium design in one graphic.

http://mlb.mlb.com/fla/ballpark/new_ballpark.jsp

Speaking of the stadium, it looks pretty damn sweet.  I've driven by it a handful of times on our jaunts over to the FL east coast.  Looking forward to taking the lil' Boats to a day game when we won't fry in the seats or get drenched by a tropical downpour...

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=7505964&c_id=fla
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 22, 2011, 01:41:09 pm
Looks like the owner bought his granddaughter a new box of crayons.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: BlackSox on September 22, 2011, 03:37:58 pm
Blue seats?   Uh oh....
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on September 22, 2011, 04:38:59 pm
Looks like a fusion of McDonalds and What-a-burger logos to me
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 22, 2011, 05:04:55 pm
Speaking of the stadium, it looks pretty damn sweet.

From the artist's renderings, it looks like a colossal, high-tech commode.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on September 22, 2011, 05:07:48 pm
Speaking of the stadium, it looks pretty damn sweet.

From the artist's renderings, it looks like a colossal, high-tech commode.

You're thinking of Soldier Field.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 26, 2011, 08:55:40 pm
Would love to see Boston choke away the Wild Card.  Odds are against them doing so, but one can hope.  That would bring some satisfaction to this otherwise underwhelming season.

Oh, and the Twins finishing last, that's another season highlight.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 26, 2011, 09:01:51 pm
And another thing:  when is MLB going to fix up the @#$% playoff seeding?  As is stands, the team with the best record will wind up playing the #3 seed simply because the Wild Card team is in their division. 

What a dumba$s rule.  Unless someone can enlighten me as to why it needs to be like this....
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on September 26, 2011, 11:12:46 pm
I hate the wild card and everything it brings.  It is inherently unfair to have an ubalanced schedule and then have a Wild Card.  Why should the seeding be fair?  At least it fits perfectly.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 27, 2011, 05:19:58 am
(http://cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20110924&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=109240441&Ref=AR&MaxW=300&Border=0&Another-wrong-turn-troubled-ex-Tiger-Denny-McLain)

Another wrong turn for troubled ex-Tiger Denny McLain

Former Detroit Tigers star pitcher Denny McLain has made several wrong turns in his life.

His latest was missing the exit for a Cracker Barrel.

McLain wound up in jail Thursday after getting arrested in Port Huron, after he accidentally drove on the bridge to Canada while trying to get to a Cracker Barrel restaurant.

the rest of the story: http://www.freep.com/article/20110924/NEWS01/109240441/Another-wrong-turn-troubled-ex-Tiger-Denny-McLain (http://www.freep.com/article/20110924/NEWS01/109240441/Another-wrong-turn-troubled-ex-Tiger-Denny-McLain)
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 28, 2011, 06:45:20 am
latest "tweet" from Joe Cowley who is in Miami:

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cst_Cowley

Breaking News: Ozzie Guillen is the Marlins manager. Deal done. Let the fish story begin!

5 hours ago
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 08:26:41 am
How long will it be before Ozzie's kid and the Ozzie bad mouth tweets begin?
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: joeconners on September 28, 2011, 08:30:07 am
How long will it be before Ozzie's kid and the Ozzie bad mouth tweets begin?

Ozzie + Oney + Loria = fire.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on September 28, 2011, 08:57:16 am
I'm submitting my copyright application for the name "Hurricane Ozzie" today...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on September 28, 2011, 09:34:11 am
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latest "tweet" from Joe Cowley who is in Miami:


Ha. Wonder if Cowley is interviewing with the Miami Herald while he's there.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on September 28, 2011, 09:46:47 am
How long will it be before Ozzie's kid and the Ozzie bad mouth tweets begin?

Ozzie + Oney + Loria = fire.

Loria fire Oney? Wow.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 28, 2011, 11:16:16 pm
Well THAT was one of the more interesting nights of baseball I've ever seen. And I've been around for awhile.
Thank you to MLB Network for doing a nice job on all four games.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 28, 2011, 11:47:40 pm
Just a shame that the Braves choked away their playoff spot to LaPussa's Cards.  This has probably been the first time since '91 that I've been able to pull for the Braves without feeling conflicted about it.  They've pretty much shed any ties to the perennially-in-the-playoffs teams of the 90s-00s (Chipper being the only carry-over I can think of) and their new identity is much more bearable. 

IMO, at least.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: PeteWard on September 29, 2011, 12:28:38 am
Line brink with the loss.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 29, 2011, 02:12:37 am
Line brink

Forgot about him.  I'm back to being conflicted again -- thanks, Pete.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on September 29, 2011, 08:44:04 am
Love it that the Cards are in. Sure, it helped that the Braves collapsed but really, after seeing the Cardinals' roster and the major injuries that happened at the beginning of the season I thought they'd be a 4th place team.

Seriously, except for the fact that our team wasn't involved, you couldn't ask for a more exciting finish to the baseball season. That was plain wild...for lack of a better word.

Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on September 29, 2011, 09:05:22 am
Everyone who thinks Boston choked this thing away is wrong.  Boston lost the Wild Card because of their awful, awful start.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 29, 2011, 09:05:55 am
Just for the sake of schadenfreude, had to go check out a Red Sox board. Hilarious:


BLOW THIS ORGANIZATION THE **** UP!!!!!TOP TO BOTTOM, EVERYONE IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE!!!! WE WANT ANSWERS!!!! WE WANT RESULTS!!!! Everything that I have said for the last 2 years is true about this team. No **** heart. Cya later Tito, Lackey, Crawford, Varitek, Salty, Drew, Wakefield, Wheeler, Albers, Jenks, Morales. Cya later Sweet Caroline. Cya later pink hats, maybe this will finally get them the **** off the bandwagon. We need the die hard, pissed off, REAL Sox fans to hold them accountable. Stop buying jerseys. Stop watching romance at fenway. Stop buying "bricks". **** this team. This is just what we need. Now maybe us fans can get our team back. Maybe now they will clean house and we can get some of that chip on the shoulder gutsy BALLPLAYERS back on this team and get these overpaid, under performing, heartless, crybaby, pussies off the team.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on September 29, 2011, 09:06:21 am
Those Rays and Red Sox games had to be scripted.  That was unreal, especially if you were like me and flipping between the two games.

The playoffs are anticlimactic now.  No way any of these games will match yesterday's drama.  No way.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: SoxRule on September 29, 2011, 09:14:10 am
Carl Crawford must be a wanted man in Boston today. After having a massively disappointing season, it looked like he had a chance to catch that ball the Orioles won on.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on September 29, 2011, 09:20:54 am
BTW - could those Rays' HRs have been any cheaper?  315 feet down the lines with a fence that's, what,  maybe 6 feet tall towards the corners?  Those would've ended up being hard foul balls 20 years ago.   But that's what you get in today's era of Super Mario Baseball...
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Fury on September 29, 2011, 09:53:56 am
From purely a fan's standpoint, it was one of the most exciting endings to a regular season, ever.

AL:
Tigers beat Yanks
Rays beat Rangers

ALCS:
Rays beat Tigers

NL:
Phils beat Cards
Brewers beat D-Backs

NLCS:
Phils beat Brewers

World Series:
Phils beat Rays in 6
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: Method on September 29, 2011, 10:42:59 am
BTW - could those Rays' HRs have been any cheaper?  315 feet down the lines with a fence that's, what,  maybe 6 feet tall towards the corners?  Those would've ended up being hard foul balls 20 years ago.   But that's what you get in today's era of Super Mario Baseball...

Yanks got to play on the same field... so nothing cheap about it.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 10:46:41 am
315 ft is still a cheap homer. Old Comiskey was 353 I believe
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: boatdrink on September 29, 2011, 10:48:15 am
My larger point is that HRs in this day and age seem to come much too easily.  From shorter dimensions, lower walls, juiced-up balls, etc. - it cheapens the game.  Home runs used to be a pretty big deal when I grew up watching baseball, now they seem to happen every other inning. 

I'm not a fan of it.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: ISF on September 29, 2011, 11:19:55 am
There will never be a more fitting time for Theo Epstein to become the GM of the Cubs.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: WshflThinking on September 29, 2011, 11:20:07 am
I can agree with that. The newer parks are all smaller overall. One could say to bring the fans closer to the action ;D ;D
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: 4nek8 on September 29, 2011, 11:51:51 am
had to go check out a Red Sox board'

Seriously, people who post rants like that about sports frighten me.  Talk about a complete detachment from reality.
Title: Re: Around Baseball
Post by: aka Loveland on September 29, 2011, 12:45:02 pm
Shoeless scares me.
Title: Around Baseball
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 30, 2011, 02:21:24 am
Now with the regular season officially over, this new topic replaces both Today's Game  2011 and 2011 White Sox /Sox Manglement

A White Sox Spring Training 2012 topic, a 2012 White Sox / Sox Management and an Around Baseball - 2012 will open when spring training starts in February 2012.

Also a new version of Today's Game 2012 will start on Opening Day in April 2012 replacing the White Sox Spring Training 2012 topic.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2011
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 30, 2011, 02:29:37 am
With the 2011 regular season now officially over, this topic is locked and closed. 

Please use either the new MLB Playoffs - 2011 topic or the new Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League topic in its place.

A new Around Baseball - 2012 topic will return when Spring Training opens in February 2012.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 30, 2011, 02:50:24 am
Would Kenny Williams entertain bring back Terry Francona back into the White Sox fold?


Ken Rosenthal at Fox Sports reporting the following:



Francona expected to leave Red Sox

Terry Francona will meet with Red Sox management on Friday morning, and the expected resolution is that he no longer will be the team’s manager, major league sources say.

While Francona’s departure is not certain, it is the likely outcome, in part because he is pressing for a resolution, sources say. He would not be fired; the Red Sox would simply decline their club options on him for 2012 and ’13.

more at: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/manager-terry-francona-expected-to-part-ways-with-red-sox-092911 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/manager-terry-francona-expected-to-part-ways-with-red-sox-092911)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on September 30, 2011, 05:24:28 am
I wouldn't mind seeing Francona as White Sox manager. 

That said, I think we're looking to finish third again in the division (or worse), no matter what.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on September 30, 2011, 06:30:59 am
Third is highly likely next year depending on what moves KW makes and what financial restrictions Uncle Jerr puts on him. Also what will happen with Done? You cant keep such an albatros .160 hitter on the roster and aspire to 1st place. And there is going to have to be a pitching shakeup too.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on September 30, 2011, 09:18:39 am
God, I hate the Hot Stove League. So fuq'ing ****ory.

EDIT: I can't say m a s t u r b a t o r y?

This censor thing is a riot.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on September 30, 2011, 09:38:35 am
In the other tread found out you cant say p1ss
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on September 30, 2011, 09:55:42 am
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Also what will happen with Done? You cant keep such an albatros .160 hitter on the roster

Maybe give the guy a chance to show this year was a fluke? I think it's highly unlikely he repeats this performance next year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on September 30, 2011, 10:14:24 am
Francona is a choker!  Plus he doesn't know how to get his teams off to fast starts - either.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on September 30, 2011, 03:36:29 pm


Santos gets paid:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-santos-sox-agree-to-threeyear-825-million-contract-20110930,0,3243325.story


Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on September 30, 2011, 04:01:11 pm
Cool.  Not a bad haul for a guy that was nearly out of baseball 3 years ago...

Good for him.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on September 30, 2011, 04:04:22 pm
He earned it.

30 saves, 6 blown saves. He'll be rated 8th in AL by Elias I think. Better than Soria, Gregg and and some other, bigger names.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on September 30, 2011, 04:06:26 pm
He definitely deserves the contract
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on September 30, 2011, 04:51:36 pm
Yeah, but it bothers me that he sort of sucked at the end of the season
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on September 30, 2011, 06:09:21 pm
He was 4th amoung relievers in K/IP... very team friendly contract.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 01, 2011, 11:12:40 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/latest-on-terry-francona-1.html

Apparently Don Cooper has been pushing for the Sox to hire Francona.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 01, 2011, 04:05:04 pm
That would be a great hire. Even with Coop going to bat for Francona, I still feel the deck is stacked against Francona
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 01, 2011, 04:56:05 pm
Two reasons why Terry Francona is, at best, a long-shot to be named the White Sox next manager:

[1] Francona made $4M @ year for Boston.  That's $2.5M more than the CWS are willing to pay their next manager and

[2] Kenny's ego can't handle having a manager more accomplished then him (two World Series titles in 8 seasons).  Kenny prefers a first time manager that's beholding to him for the opportunity to move up.

The only way Terry Francona is named White Sox manager is if Reinsdorf insists on the hire.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 01, 2011, 08:38:26 pm
I think its the other way around. I think KW and Francona are friends, but Reinsdorf isnt going to pay the 4 Mill necessary to get Francona. Ozzie was obscure too with no managing experience when hired. Look for McEwing or Alomar to get the job. Thats why I said despite Coop lobbying for Francona Francona isnt likely hired. Reinsdorf has to save money somewhere with Done and Rihose to pay for.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 01, 2011, 08:41:54 pm
It wouldnt surprise me if Omar threw his hat in the ring.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 02, 2011, 11:19:38 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/white-sox-targeting-dave-martinez-for-manager.html
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 06:32:40 am
Tribune seems to agree.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1003-white-sox-martinez--20111003,0,7135169.story

nice article
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 07:58:02 am
My worst fears, Rick Hahn to the Cubs. Why does KW still have a job as GM of the Sox

White Sox farm system last?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-williams-holmberg-hairston-20111003,0,6375684.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 03, 2011, 08:40:04 am
Worst 2 weeks in sports ever... since ozzie got fired.. everything has gone to hell.

Bulls forgot how to play defense. Cowboys cant hold off the f'n lions... now this.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 03, 2011, 09:26:10 am
Not sure why Hahn gets the genious tag -- not just here but also in some local media.   He's the guy who oversees our awesome drafts.   
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 03, 2011, 09:29:19 am
second son Jagger [Martinez] is a freshman scholarship soccer player at Northwestern.

Although I guess it's kind of cool to be named after a rock star that actually has talent, but the poor kid's nickname is probably "Jag".
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 03, 2011, 10:26:11 am
Cripes!  What is with this obsession of only ex-Sox being considered for the coaching staff??

This loyalty thing is really p i s s ing me off.   We're a major-market club - make decisions like one!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 03, 2011, 10:27:04 am
Ah, Phil.   Too busy sucking Hendry's **** to ever criticize the BILLION dollars he blew without winning a single playoff game in 8 seasons.  And the criticism of the farm system is a bit over the top.   It has produced Hudson, Gio, Beckham, Morel, Viciedo, Sale, Richard in just the past couple of years.  Not bad production if you ask me.   
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 03, 2011, 10:27:58 am
I find it funny that they are "targeting" Martinez.  Good lord, it should be the other way around.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 03, 2011, 10:30:25 am
Also, if they are really considering Tony Pena, do it. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: 4nek8 on October 03, 2011, 10:32:00 am
but the poor kid's nickname is probably "Jag"

If he ever becomes famous, his nickname, as is done with so many other stars these days, will be JagMart.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 03, 2011, 11:08:40 am
"Edes says the Red Sox have internally discussed Sandy Alomar Jr., Dave Martinez, Pete Mackanin, Ryne Sandberg, and Tony La Russa as candidates to replace Terry Francona as manager.  It is tricky to have Epstein overseeing this process given his uncertainty, but Cherington is involved as well."

Idiot Red Sox
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 03, 2011, 11:22:00 am
The farm system did not "produce" Beckham. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 03, 2011, 11:32:39 am
Nor Sale.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 03, 2011, 11:37:31 am
huh?  both drafted and played in the system.  we're talking about the ability to produce good home grown talent.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 03, 2011, 11:42:25 am
Being gifted a top 10 pick due to incompetence doesnt mean we produced that talent... producing talent can is turning those other picks into serviceable major leaguers...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 03, 2011, 11:53:08 am
lots of top 10 picks who do nothing.  I'd be curious how other teams stack up over the past 3-4 years in producing comparable ML talent
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 03, 2011, 12:47:28 pm
That is ridiculous. You do not get to pick and choose which of our prospects are "homegrown".

If they came up through our minor leagues, they count as developed.

Tyler Flowers was a highly ranked prospect we received in the Vazquez deal. He looked awful last year.
This year he got righted and now looks like our C of the future.
Developed.

Alejandro De Aza arrived in our system after  batting about .235 for Florida in extremely limited time.
Developed.

Lillibridge has been up and down for what seems like a decade.
Developed.

Santos was converted from SS to Reliever by our minor league staff.
Developed.

Morel has spent time at every level of our organization.
Developed.

KC has supposedly had a farm system rich in gold prospects for years. How's that turned out for them?
Didn't Kila Ka'aihue just get released by them?

As long as we are producing one or two players a year for the big club, our farm system is just fine.
Dylan Axelrod, Addison Reed and Jacob Petricka look like a nice group of prospects to me.

Zach Stewart has the stuff, he still needs to learn how to pitch.

Tyler Kuhn, Josh Phegley, Trayce Thompson all have potential to help.

I don't see the weakness everyone else sees. Albert Pujols isn't in the system. Big deal, I don't see him in anybody else's system either.




Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 03, 2011, 01:11:32 pm
None of the players you listd are anything more then marginal players...

Our drafting has been **** poor short of the two big hits we got picking in the top 10.. Its been abysmal.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 03, 2011, 01:28:12 pm

"wouldn't surprise me if Omar threw his hat in the ring"

--don't bother:  he's just playing ring the gac with a Sox' pitching prospect


(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSzJ0ZFjMWHhhdyQ9Ucy7z9RhopmOQDsqqDwpQowez6o6xnYksXbA)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 03, 2011, 03:13:41 pm
None of the players you listd are anything more then marginal players...

Our drafting has been **** poor short of the two big hits we got picking in the top 10.. Its been abysmal.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree that our drafting hadn't been that great for a while, until recently.

Our last few drafts I thought were pretty good.  You and MSF put too much emphasis on spending money on the draft.
IMO, that is no better than throwing money at FAs, maybe worse. FAs have track records.
We threw money at Joe Borchard. That didn't work out so well.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 04, 2011, 02:37:17 pm
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/dodgers-decline-options-on-garland-blake.html?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

Garland will be a Free Agent, FWIW.

Sounds like the kind of guy we'd pick up "for cheap" this offseason if we needed to fill out the rotation.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 04, 2011, 06:59:26 pm
Come February he could become cheap. Dont expect so until then
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 05, 2011, 11:41:05 am
Name candidates such as Joe Torre, Tony La Russa, and Bobby Valentine are not thought to be on Boston's list, writes Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com.  Instead, the top candidates appear to be Dave Martinez, Pete Mackanin, and Sandy Alomar Jr.  It seems possible that the Red Sox will have to go head-to-head with the White Sox in their manager search.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 05, 2011, 01:40:32 pm
In other words, we're getting Boston's leftovers...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 05, 2011, 10:59:16 pm
But letting Ozzie go was a good thing.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 06, 2011, 08:40:49 am
But letting Ozzie go was a good thing.

Yes.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on October 06, 2011, 08:54:48 am
I too would like to know why Hahn is being raved about, whatever happened to Dan Evans. heh
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 06, 2011, 03:47:37 pm
Your new manager is...

Robin Ventura
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 06, 2011, 03:51:36 pm
Somewhere, our old pal "Holly Go Lightly/Audrey" is doing a dance of joy.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 06, 2011, 03:52:41 pm
Guess that is why Teahen was traded...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: TheCamel on October 06, 2011, 03:56:04 pm
Been gone for awhile ... but Ventura? Seriously?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 06, 2011, 04:02:30 pm
Yeah.  Weird, isn't it?    Not sure what I think about this, other than it is totally baffling.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20111006&content_id=25528968&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 04:15:37 pm
I was told this by my source.  They have been spot on. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 04:18:47 pm
It can only go two ways.  Utter brilliance or unmitigated disaster.  I actually see the logic here. I think he will do fine and I like it more than Martinez or Alomar.  Of course, KW with lots of BS about someone on a playoff team
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 04:19:46 pm
will be interesting to see who is the bench coach.  The name I heard has the initials, TL.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 06, 2011, 04:20:11 pm
I immediately googled "Robin Ventura managerial experience". Yeah, no. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 06, 2011, 04:24:23 pm
will be interesting to see who is the bench coach.  The name I heard has the initials, TL.

Tito Landrum?

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 06, 2011, 04:26:31 pm
Tommy Lasorda?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 04:28:21 pm
"I immediately googled "Robin Ventura managerial experience". Yeah, no."

Which makes him an ideal candidate.  Seriously.  i really wonder the value of experience versus someone who is simply right for the job.  He'll be respected by the players and he certainly knows the game.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 06, 2011, 04:28:44 pm
Traci Lords?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 04:30:03 pm
LaRussa.  I should have posted it before but I just didn't think it was true.  About RV that is.  But when I heard Ozzie gone, Walker retired, Burly to STL and Floyd traded, I just didn't think it made sense.  Oh well, 1/2 is done.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 06, 2011, 04:30:14 pm
Wow.  If that Ventura choice wasn't the biggest FUTR move ever, I don't know what is.

Mercy.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 06, 2011, 04:33:20 pm
you should have googled "Kenny Williams suicide tour"
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Scoop on October 06, 2011, 04:41:16 pm
Post-Season Greetings, everyone!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 06, 2011, 04:42:18 pm
Somewhere, our old pal "Holly Go Lightly/Audrey" is doing a dance of joy.

She closed her RV tribute site:

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/BirdWatcher/

maybe she'll write another poem:

http://www.leasingnews.org/Poetry/Miracle_Man.htm
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 06, 2011, 04:47:56 pm
So, which ex-Sox will now be our new hitting coach?  Frank?  Albert?  Tony Phillips?  Warren Newson? Jeff Abbott?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 04:49:11 pm
I think Frank ends up next to Farmio
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 06, 2011, 04:54:22 pm
So, which ex-Sox will now be our new hitting coach?  Frank?  Albert?  Tony Phillips?  Warren Newson? Jeff Abbott?

Dan Pasqua or Kenny's buddy Daryl Boston. Then there's always Chris Snopek who is still running his baseball academy in Mississippi. 

What's Walt Hriniak doing these days?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 06, 2011, 04:56:49 pm
Julio Franco for hitting coach.  Let's bring back a bunch of the '93-'94 players for the coaching staff.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 06, 2011, 04:58:28 pm
Heh.  I've got an even better FUTR choice - Craig Grebeck.

One thing's for sure - the new guy's only qualification will be that he once wore White Sox silver and black.

Have I mentioned how much I despise this org's insane loyalty to ex-players?   It's damn near spooky now...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 06, 2011, 04:59:18 pm
Quote
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
enough about nolan ryan already. ventura hit 294 HRs & won 6 gold gloves. so he made a mistake charging ryan, so what?
37 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply

Thank you!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 05:06:15 pm
@shawngreen15 Shawn Green
Congrats to Robin Ventura. Of all the players I played with, he would be my number 1 choice to manage a team
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 06, 2011, 05:08:14 pm
http://scott-miller.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270335/32541671?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on October 06, 2011, 05:36:21 pm
I about choked on my sammich over Blackie's Traci Lords post. Ventura, cripes, I am with Boat, this is getting creepy.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 06, 2011, 05:51:19 pm
I'll bet Ven23 doesn't even know where to find us......
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 06, 2011, 05:59:11 pm
My first response was "Holy surrenders Batman!"

However, upon further review, there's plenty of coaching  experience on board already, Ventura is smart enough to listen.

Next year is still on KW. There better be progress, or there better be a new GM.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: 4nek8 on October 06, 2011, 06:01:36 pm
Yep.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 06, 2011, 06:02:58 pm
Your new manager is...

Robin Ventura

I wouldnt believe that without a link. I'm in shock

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-name-ventura-to-succeed-guillen-as-manager-20111006,0,2120262.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 06, 2011, 09:22:15 pm
Next year is still on KW. There better be progress, or there better be a new GM.

I agree 100%.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 06, 2011, 10:30:38 pm
Yep, next year is on KW.   I predict another third-place finish.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 07, 2011, 05:29:00 am
Yep, next year is on KW.   I predict another third-place finish.

If either Kansas City gets some better starting pitching (like free-agent-to-be Mark Buehrle) or the Twinkies frontline players stay healthy, the White Sox could be looking at finishing, at best, in 4th place.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 07, 2011, 08:49:50 am
Yet if a couple White Sox players have a better year than last year (Dunn, Beckham, which isn't unreasonable to assume, and a couple of the younger guys just do their thing, they could also be right in the mix for the division.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 07, 2011, 08:55:01 am
No reason they can't win the division.   Getting rid of Ozzie might be worth 10 wins.  Fantastic interview with Coop this morning on the Score.  Players had had it with Ozzie and he, I believe, tanked the season.  Coop was pissed about the lies printed by Cowley.  What a POS he is.   
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 07, 2011, 09:22:55 am
Traci Lords?

I'm surprised that got by the censor function.
What does FUTR stand for?
Frank Thomas is horrible at the whole speaking and commentary thing; that would truly blow goats if it happens.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 07, 2011, 09:23:53 am
Flying Under The Radar
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 07, 2011, 09:25:31 am
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c358/jondun5/futr.jpg)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 07, 2011, 09:35:10 am
Yet if a couple White Sox players have a better year than last year (Dunn, Beckham, which isn't unreasonable to assume

You forgot Rios.



Oh no you didn't.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 07, 2011, 09:45:31 am
No reason they can't win the division.   Getting rid of Ozzie might be worth 10 wins.  Fantastic interview with Coop this morning on the Score.  Players had had it with Ozzie and he, I believe, tanked the season.  Coop was ****ed about the lies printed by Cowley.  What a POS he is.   

Which article by Cowley?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 07, 2011, 10:01:25 am
No reason they can't win the division.Getting rid of Ozzie might be worth 10 wins.  Fantastic interview with Coop this morning on the Score.  Players had had it with Ozzie and he, I believe, tanked the season.  Coop was ****ed about the lies printed by Cowley.  What a POS he is.

I can think of a few.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 07, 2011, 10:24:25 am
Cowley has basically taken over for Mariotti. What a tool.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 07, 2011, 10:40:16 am
How about Sandberg as third base coach or hitting coach?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 07, 2011, 10:46:35 am
Quote
Yet if a couple White Sox players have a better year than last year (Dunn, Beckham, which isn't unreasonable to assume, and a couple of the younger guys just do their thing, they could also be right in the mix for the division.

I can see Dunn having a decent year next year... that wouldn't be surprising at all.  But I think Beckham may continue to play below expectations.  Just a hunch.

I'd like to see Beckham packaged in a trade.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 07, 2011, 11:06:47 am
Beckham would be the very last player I'd trade from this team.  He's still extremely talented and I believe his hitting maturation was stunted under Walker.

I just hope KW and RV bring in a batting coach that will allow him to grow into his potential.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 07, 2011, 11:29:06 am
How about Sandberg as third base coach or hitting coach?

I'd rather him be latrine cleaner
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 07, 2011, 11:37:32 am
Quote
Yet if a couple White Sox players have a better year than last year (Dunn, Beckham, which isn't unreasonable to assume, and a couple of the younger guys just do their thing, they could also be right in the mix for the division.

I can see Dunn having a decent year next year... that wouldn't be surprising at all.  But I think Beckham may continue to play below expectations.  Just a hunch.

I'd like to see Beckham packaged in a trade.

I could see Done getting to the Mendoza line but not much farther. Maybe he needs to see an eye specialist. Beckham and Walker are both from Georgia and close friends. Even with a different hitting coach I somehow dont see a 50 pt rise. Wait till Kuhn gets here. Kuhn's best defensive position is 2B. The one I see taking a 50 pt jump would be Morel. He will benefit from Ventura.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 07, 2011, 11:55:16 am
You've just got a bromance going on with Morel, Wshfl.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 07, 2011, 11:56:07 am
I don't expect much player movement this offseason.  Rebuilding will mean giving kids a chance to play when they appear major league ready, but not necessarily tearing it all down and  bringing in kids.   That way, you also get Kenny's wet dream of competing while rebuilding.   Competing is a very very thin read, though, but possible if Dunn comes halfway back to his regular numbers, and Beckham and Morel take a step.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 07, 2011, 12:00:55 pm
Quote
No reason they can't win the division.   Getting rid of Ozzie might be worth 10 wins.  Fantastic interview with Coop this morning on the Score.  Players had had it with Ozzie and he, I believe, tanked the season.  Coop was ****ed about the lies printed by Cowley.  What a POS he is.   

I have to disagree with you.  I can totally see Cooper maneuvering and jockeying for position when it became apparent that the Ozzie era might end.

I believe Cooper did court Kenny's favor.

It's a damn shame that Kenny is still running this ball club.   I stated before that next year is on Kenny, but you know what?  Ventura will take the heat from the public anyway for the '12 White Sox's third- or fourth-place finish.

Dire times ahead, folks, as long as KW is GM.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 07, 2011, 12:05:19 pm
losing all FAs:   Beurhle, Frasor, Pena, Vizquel . . .  and trading Quentin, as everybody suggests is on the agenda, brings the team salary down to about $100MM.  If they sign Danks long term, add $4M to that.  If Kenny moves guys like Thornton or AJ, you can even get it down in the 90s, but make it much less likely that it will be competitive.


SP:   Danks, Floyd, Peavy, Sale, Humber  (Stewart)
RP:   Santos, Thornton, Crain, Reed, Ohman . . . . 


everything else is the same, except outfield:


LF: Viciedo
CF: De Aza, Lilli  (with Jordan Danks, Mitchell lurking, maybe never making it)
RF: Rios
(Nice to pick up another bat to push Rios to 4th outfielder status; maybe even someone who could challenge Dunn, too, if he sucks.  A cheap Kubel, maybe, but would rather have a prospect.)
 
That's a team that will likely be bad, unless you get those comeback seasons . . .    if you're bad, Kenny sells in July.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 07, 2011, 12:06:45 pm
And one more thing... will Cooper continue to connive with Kenny on his own after (ostensibly) becoming part of Ventura's staff?

My biggest worry about Ventura at the helm is that he might be too nice of a guy to withstand all the back-alley Sox intrigue, and too nice of a guy to get tough with his players and challenge them to perform.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 07, 2011, 12:17:06 pm
It's a damn shame that Kenny is still running this ball club.   I stated before that next year is on Kenny, but you know what?  Ventura will take the heat from the public anyway for the '12 White Sox's third- or fourth-place finish.

Dire times ahead, folks, as long as KW is GM.

No, Ventura won't.  He's viewed as a risky hire.  If he takes heat, it's KW's fault for going out on a limb and hiring him.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 07, 2011, 12:24:37 pm
Cooper's not part of Ventura's staff.  Coop's a co-manager,in charge of the pitching.  And it's not Ventura's staff . . . it's Kenny's.   He's entrenched.  Anyone hoping to get rid of him, it's not going to happen in the next two years.


What I like about all this is the potential for the whole org to be on the same page.  Ventura's worked with Bell . . . hopefully there will be a drafting strategy and a singular message for minor leaguers about what they need to do to make the club.  If that does work out, great.  That's my biggest critique of Williams' tenure.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 07, 2011, 12:41:19 pm
Interesting article on WAR. Maybe somebody should explain it to KW:

http://orioles-nation.com/2011/10/03/is-war-accurate-2011/
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 07, 2011, 12:52:45 pm
Interesting article on WAR.


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3384/4619152698_70de714c98_m.jpg)

And I won't be going to see that movie Moneyball, based on the book written by Billy Bean.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 07, 2011, 01:02:20 pm
WAR!  Hooh!  Yeah!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 07, 2011, 02:16:42 pm
And one more thing... will Cooper continue to connive with Kenny on his own after (ostensibly) becoming part of Ventura's staff?

My biggest worry about Ventura at the helm is that he might be too nice of a guy to withstand all the back-alley Sox intrigue, and too nice of a guy to get tough with his players and challenge them to perform.

Of course 'Coop' will continue to be a 'spy' for the GM.   That's how you survive and advance with the same MLB organization for over 23 years.  'Coop' was never an Ozzie hire.  He was a hold-over from Jerry Manuel's staff and a KW plant right from the start. Ozzie knew it from the start. I'm guessing what surprised Ozzie that even after seven plus seasons, Cooper was still more loyal to the GM than to his immediate superior (the manager).

IMO, he'll continue doing that same under Robin Ventura. It might even get worse since Cooper has those two games as 'manager' under his belt and would have liked to stay the manager for 2012.  Remember Cooper's contract was extended for 4 years BEFORE the new manager was named. I wouldn't be surprised if his new contract is for a longer period than the one they gave to Robin.  It might even be for more money per year too.

Every team, especially with a first time manager, has at least one coach that's the 'eyes and ears' of the GM.  No question about it that Cooper's first loyalty is to the GM and not the manager. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on October 08, 2011, 08:30:38 am
I'd rather him be latrine cleaner

So your hoping the Cubs hire Sandberg?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on October 08, 2011, 08:32:55 am
My biggest worry about Ventura at the helm is that he might be too nice of a guy to withstand all the back-alley Sox intrigue, and too nice of a guy to get tough with his players and challenge them to perform.

Didn't Ventura get into Big Frank's face in the dugout in the mid-90's when he thought he was doggin' it?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 08, 2011, 08:40:22 am
I'd rather him be latrine cleaner

So your hoping the Cubs hire Sandberg?

I believe he was some minor league player on the north side, so yeah
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 09, 2011, 01:57:05 am
latest Joe Cowley 'tweet':

Quote
cst_Cowley

Mark Parent is the front-runner for the bench coach job, according to Sox sources. One said it's all but a done deal, other said not yet.

2 hours ago

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 09, 2011, 03:26:58 am
info on Mark Parent:

(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/155/155-538Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/155/155-538Bk.jpg)

(http://republicanherald.com/polopoly_fs/1.1094354!/image/2184573265.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/2184573265.jpg)

Former backup catcher for 7 different MLB teams including the Tigers and the Cubs.

After his playing career ended, he managed one year (2000) in the Mariners system, single-A Lancaster JetHawks, and was named manager of the year in the California League after his team went 89-51 to end up in 1st place in the regular season but didn't win the post-season championship.

After a four year absence from the field, he started managing again in 2005.  This time in the independent Golden Baseball League where he managed the Chico Outlaws for three seasons.  Won the championship in year 3 then retired again from pro ball.  Took two years off then joined the Phillies system as the manager of the Lakewood BlueClaws, a Single-A team in the South Atlantic League.  Lakewood won both halves of their season and went on to win the SAL Championship series.

He was then promoted to manage the 2011 Reading Phillies (Double-A franchise) who finished with the 5th best record in the Eastern League (74-68) which put them in 2nd place in their division. They went on to lose in the semi-finals of their playoffs.

http://republicanherald.com/sports/parent-fits-into-phillies-winning-mentality-1.1094353 (http://republicanherald.com/sports/parent-fits-into-phillies-winning-mentality-1.1094353)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/parenma01.shtml (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/parenma01.shtml)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Parent_%28baseball%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Parent_%28baseball%29)

----

As far as I can find, Mark Parent never played with Robin Ventura at any level.  Nor were they ever in the same organization together.  The only connection I see is that they had the same agent (John Boggs).
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 09, 2011, 03:50:11 am
JhonJeter is going to love this. 

The Miami Marlins $2.5M answer to Milwaukee's Bernie Brewer:

(http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/marlinssculpture.jpg)

Looks like something you'd find as the centerpiece at a bad Chinese restaurant buffet.

An animated version of the 'sculpture' can be found at the links below:

http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/7/2474722/miami-marlins-ballpark-home-run-structure-what-is-that-gaaaaaaaaah (http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/10/7/2474722/miami-marlins-ballpark-home-run-structure-what-is-that-gaaaaaaaaah)

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/10/insanely_ugly_animatronic_home.php (http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/10/insanely_ugly_animatronic_home.php)

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 09, 2011, 06:16:22 pm
That's actually the hood ornament on Ozzie's new boat.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 10, 2011, 01:42:38 pm

Looks like the coaching staff is just about set.  Hitting coach to be either Manto or Laker.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sources-mcewing-to-take-over-as-sox-third-base-coach-20111010,0,5096502.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 10, 2011, 01:52:26 pm
Thanks, Blackie.

I'm still trying to figure out what Baines brings to the table.  I get keeping Coop on the staff, but Harold?  Do we have a requirement that one position be held by a mute?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: 4nek8 on October 10, 2011, 02:55:53 pm
I'm still trying to figure out what Baines brings to the table.  I get keeping Coop on the staff, but Harold?  Do we have a requirement that one position be held by a mute?

Blasphemer.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on October 10, 2011, 03:12:51 pm
I am with Boat again, why Harold? I do very much like the McEwing and Parent hires.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 10, 2011, 03:31:34 pm
Hah@Sophist
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 10, 2011, 04:10:53 pm
I'm very interested in how Parent got the gig with no obvious lineage to the new staff.  Maybe one of our crack beat reporters will ask at tomorrow's presser?  I won't hold my breath.

I'm also very happy to see that the ex-Sox requirement wasn't completely enforced this go-around.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on October 11, 2011, 08:33:41 am
No doubt, I like that they consider so many "insiders", but it is not healthy to have all ex-Sox folks involved, you limit yourself doing that.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 11, 2011, 10:11:33 am
Does Harold really need to bring anything to the table?  Cripes, I think you really need like 2-3 coaches to run baseball team.  Heck, when I managed I did it by myself.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 11, 2011, 10:18:24 am
The whole Venturra thing is still weird.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 11, 2011, 01:44:28 pm
Manto needs to go.  This team cannot hit.   Give me Laker.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 11, 2011, 02:23:11 pm

(http://www.suntimes.com/csp/cms/sites/dt.common.streams.StreamServer.cls?STREAMOID=Ar37vswuXgkT0GHhCWSByc$daE2N3K4ZzOUsqbU5sYvPc0BRJPmFjveeObJYZkcZWCsjLu883Ygn4B49Lvm9bPe2QeMKQdVeZmXF$9l$4uCZ8QDXhaHEp3rvzXRJFdy0KqPHLoMevcTLo3h8xh70Y6N_U_CryOsw6FTOdKL_jpQ-&CONTENTTYPE=image/jpeg)




Quote

CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen

Some of what Ventura had to say today. http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/ (http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/).
14 minutes ago




The 'spy' pitching coach's contract is one year longer than the new manager's:

Quote

CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen

Ventura's contract is for three years, no options

15 minutes ago


Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 11, 2011, 03:01:42 pm
Some interesting tweets:

scotgregor Scot Gregor
GM Kenny Williams said #WhiteSox will "retool" in 2012, not "rebuild."

scottmerkin Scott Merkin
Kenny did consider Konerko as a player/manager but never talked to him about it. Wanted Konerko just to focus on playing

CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen
Robin on Ozzie era: I enjoyed it as much as anybody else

CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini
KW deflected any question today that might be reinterpreted or spun as critical of Ozzie. The high road remains very much intact on his end

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 11, 2011, 03:56:49 pm
The Worst Contracts In Baseball

Dan Quisenberry said many wonderful things in his too-short life, but probably the most famous is his line about the future. “I’ve seen the future,” he said, “and it’s much like the present only longer.”

A version of that quote kept popping up in my mind throughout the first round of the playoffs. It was more like: “I’ve seen the future, and it’s much like the present in that Alex Rodriguez strikes out a lot.” Or Ryan Howard.

continued at:  http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/10/11/the-worst-contracts-in-baseball/ (http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/10/11/the-worst-contracts-in-baseball/)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 11, 2011, 08:35:42 pm
GM Kenny Williams said #WhiteSox will "retool" in 2012, not "rebuild."


  What a tool.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 12, 2011, 09:29:36 am
Looks like Epstein to the Cubs is a done deal. I'm sure he will be their savior just like Dusty was and just like Piniella was.

Seriously though, it's a good deal for them. I wouldn't mind having Theo right now with the state of our franchise.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 12, 2011, 09:34:52 am
I don't get the Theo love.  The guy has had the 2nd fattest checkbook in baseball for years.  I'm sure KW would be more successful if he could cherry pick from top free agents every year...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 12, 2011, 10:07:46 am
Theo will be just like every other manager and GM that comes to the Cubs.  They come in for their press conference, say how excited they are to be a part of such a storied franchise.  3-6 years later they find that they are eaten up by the  franchise and they leave town.  Sometimes they only look like shadows of their former selves - see Pinella.

Theo will be no different.  Since he is GM he may have more than 6 years.

Go ahead, bookmark this post.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 12, 2011, 10:07:46 am
Theo has shown the ability to surround himself with great scouts and analytic tools.. he spends money fairly wisely... something the cubs havent done in decades.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 12, 2011, 10:12:45 am
Theo has also had an open checkbook to work with. Something he will not have with the Cubs.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 12, 2011, 10:27:50 am
He didnt have a cashman checkbook either.... they made him cut below luxury tax lvls atleast. he'll do fine with the cubs.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 12, 2011, 10:35:37 am
A Cub fan friend of mine isn't too pleased with me when I commented on his Facebook post ("Theo Epstein") with "Lou Piniella. Dusy Baker. Andy MacPhail. Sam Zell.  This is fun."
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 12, 2011, 12:32:14 pm
joe:  you forgot clown Kenny on that list.


Epstein's run a pretty good minor league system over there, and the Cubs have seemed willing to spend a lot of money in that area.  In fact, with a lot of contracts coming off the books, they certainly will have the cash to move over to drafting/signing and development.  Something that "all in" and the $127 MM payroll has prevented on the South Side.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 13, 2011, 11:26:01 am
I don't get the Theo love.  The guy has had the 2nd fattest checkbook in baseball for years.
 I'm sure KW would be more successful if he could cherry pick from top free agents every year...

I don't know...Adam Dunn and Alex Rios (waiver wire) haven't exactly panned out.
FAs are tough to get right because you put them in an entirely new situation.

Epstein has drafted and traded well to keep them on top.

Ironically, it was his FA signing of Foulke in 2004 that was the key to their title that year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 13, 2011, 12:09:17 pm
Yeah, but the difference is the Red Sox can afford to miss on a big money FA here and there (see Carl Crawford and John Lackey). 

If KW misses, there's no more payroll to cover up the mistakes...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 13, 2011, 12:11:57 pm
Carl Crawford says hello.  Aren't most BoSox non home grown?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 13, 2011, 12:16:54 pm
Pedroia/Ellsbury/Youk/lester/papelbon/lowrie/bard are the core... and pretty sure they were all home grown. atleast by ISF's standards since they spent some time in their minors and thus developed them.

they did steal ortiz from the twins.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 13, 2011, 12:51:41 pm
solid core but the WS wins were fueled by Manny, Ortiz, Schilling, Beckett
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 13, 2011, 12:59:11 pm
That's a solid core, but we've developed:  Hudson, Morel, Beckham, Sale, Viciedo . . . err, Axelrod . . . .  Clayton Richard?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 13, 2011, 01:03:06 pm
and that core is pretty young yet.  give em time. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 14, 2011, 01:59:14 pm
Epstein has made some really good deals but in the last couple years has made some pretty bad deals with big names/big money involved. How is that different from KW's performance over the past few years? Does Kenny not get the same leeway since the White Sox don't have the resources to cover his bad deals? Just askin.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 14, 2011, 08:36:25 pm
How is [Theo's performance] different from KW's performance over the past few years?

Maybe this is oversimplifying things, but I will proffer this:  Pedroia vs. Beckham.

 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 14, 2011, 08:38:29 pm
Meanwhile...

Oh my god... Kenny [metaphorically] killed Kinney!  You bastard!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-five-relievers-taken-off-soxs-roster-20111014,0,5542498.story

Clearing 40-man space for what, exactly?

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 15, 2011, 04:31:08 am
How is [Theo's performance] different from KW's performance over the past few years?

Maybe this is oversimplifying things, but I will proffer this:  Pedroia vs. Beckham.
 

Beckham > Pedroia, as far as pedigree coming out of college.

Beckham > Pedroia, as far as pedigree coming out of the minors.

Pedroia >> Beckham, as far as what's happened since they've been called up / worked with the major league hitting coach.

Just sayin'....
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 15, 2011, 05:30:34 am
But giving the keys to Viciedo in right also means that they would be counting on him to provide more consistent power than he did during his one-month promotion, when he provided two extra base hits after Aug. 30.

Lots of pop to replace Quentin. Seems to me Lilli would be better suited for RF with Viviedo in LF. Lilli has more speed to get to balls that Viciedo cant.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-outfield-appears-destined-for-new-look-20111014,0,5113365.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 15, 2011, 11:44:04 pm
Quote
Beckham > Pedroia, as far as pedigree coming out of college.

Beckham > Pedroia, as far as pedigree coming out of the minors.

Pedroia >> Beckham, as far as what's happened since they've been called up / worked with the major league hitting coach.



Beckham played 59 games in the minors, Pedroia played 272.  I'm going to go out on a limb and say that player development is at least as much a factor as hitting coach.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 17, 2011, 08:57:47 pm
Ozzie Guillen speaks (http://www.suntimes.com/8271457-417/ozzie-guillen-fires-on-white-sox.html)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 17, 2011, 11:23:47 pm
“Since last year, this was about integrity, it was about loyalty, it was about do they want me here. Let me say it my way: The Sox were saying, ‘Yes, we want to f--- you, but we don’t want to marry you.’ ’’
No Ozzie; it's more like they f***ed the b***h and she turned out to be $%&$*%!

Perhaps Dr. Frank put it best:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A980jI9ATDQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A980jI9ATDQ)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 20, 2011, 01:53:26 am
Shane Lindsay chooses free agency:

http://www.csnchicago.com/10/19/11/Lindsay-chooses-free-agency/landing.html?blockID=580158&feedID=10338
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 20, 2011, 11:36:11 am
Looks like the Cubs/Red Sox finally have agreed at compensation for Theo.   The hang-up was apparently over front office staff that Theo wanted to take with him, but also the fact that the Cub end of negotiations was handled by Ricketts and Crane Kenny.  The deal went through when Ricketts negotiated for Theo to be joined by Yale-educated wunderkind Peter Brand.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on October 20, 2011, 03:22:11 pm
There's another report in which the Red Sox owner said that is bogus and a deal is not close.   Who knows what really is going on -- and I wouldn't be shocked if  it were Ricketts who is bungling this -- but if it it John Henry playing hardball as some suggest, if I were Ricketts, I'd tell him to go f*ck himself.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 20, 2011, 03:36:12 pm
Quote
but if it it John Henry playing hardball as some suggest, if I were Ricketts, I'd tell him to go f*ck himself.

I would too but the Cubs have their backs against the wall now. The town is so abuzz with Epstein coming here that the Cubs can't possibly back out now. Sure, the true diehards who are follwing the story might be okay with it but the mass population of Cub fans in Chicago, as well as the media, would rip the Cubs for how this was handled. Boston has the leverage.

Boy, between the Cubs always being a laughinstock and the Sox' front office fighting that just went on as well as hiring a coaching staff that had many shaking their heads, Chicago baseball must be a big joke to everyone right now.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 21, 2011, 09:14:01 am
(http://img.freebase.com/api/trans/image_thumb/m/03rnwwb?errorid=%2Ffreebase%2Fno_image_png&maxheight=400&mode=fit&maxwidth=300)


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-source-former-sox-catcher-skinner-favorite-to-land-triplea-charlotte-job-20111020,0,57718.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 21, 2011, 09:25:16 am
Who is the image of? URL provides no hint
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 21, 2011, 01:17:04 pm
http://lxg.wikia.com/wiki/Rodney_Skinner
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 21, 2011, 01:28:37 pm
WOW. "League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" reference? You didn't actually watch all of that did you? And PLEASE tell me you didn't PAY to see it.

Either way, that's a pretty disgusting reference.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 21, 2011, 02:02:30 pm
I thought it was pretty apt. Skinner...the Invisible Man...League of Extraordinary Gentlemen...

Eh well.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 21, 2011, 02:19:45 pm
(http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/images/2011/10/21/xLya5wLy.jpg)

Atlanta Braves hire Greg Walker as their new hitting coach

http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111021&content_id=25739766&vkey=news_atl&c_id=atl (http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111021&content_id=25739766&vkey=news_atl&c_id=atl)

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 21, 2011, 02:54:59 pm
Wait... Walker never played for the Braves.  How did he get the job?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 21, 2011, 02:55:23 pm
Another fine example of the stupidity in Cub-dumb of some of their fans:

(http://mike100915.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/theo-epstein-cell.jpg)

Root for Theo if you want, but I want my Cubs back

By Gary Karton October 20, 2011 5:20PM

I never thought the day would come when I’d actually be rooting against the Cubs. But that’s what I’m forced to do now that Theo Epstein is coming to Chicago.

This won’t be easy. I practically grew up at Wrigley Field. When I was a reporter for the Washington Post, I was known as the “guy in the Cubs hat.”

But Epstein isn’t the right guy for the Cubs. I could root for anyone but Epstein.

continued at: http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/8323434-452/root-for-theo-if-you-want-but-i-want-my-cubs-back.html (http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/8323434-452/root-for-theo-if-you-want-but-i-want-my-cubs-back.html)

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the résumé of the author:

Gary Karton (Senior Consultant) joined E-Squared Communications after spending five years as senior writer/editor for the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation. In addition, he spent the 2005 baseball season covering the Washington Nationals for the Washington Post Express, a publication of the Washington Post. For six years, Gary was a reporter for The Washington Post, where he wrote news and feature articles on political figures and athletes. He was the co-author of No Free Lunch (Ballantine/One World, May 2002), the inspiring true story of Rodney Carroll, the President and CEO of The Welfare to Work Partnership. Prior to joining the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation, he wrote hundred of speeches on welfare issues with  business leaders, state governors, members of the White House and Democratic and Republican members of  Congress. Gary has also written op-ed pieces that have appeared in several publications, including the Washington Post and USA Today. 

http://www.e-squaredcommunications.com/about_e2.html (http://www.e-squaredcommunications.com/about_e2.html)

-----------------

this dumb @ss doesn't want them to win because Theo winning in Chicago. as well as in Boston, would overshadow 'his' team's winning.  Sort of similar to the flawed 'logic' I heard from some fans when Dennis Rodman joined the Bulls.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 21, 2011, 03:32:46 pm
I'm not convinced this guy wants them to win at all. Classic.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 21, 2011, 03:41:29 pm
Good grief, those people are insufferable...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 21, 2011, 09:09:26 pm
Its no worse then supporting KipWhit.... and firing ozzie for his(KWs) dumb farkin ideas.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 21, 2011, 10:15:45 pm
The Braves hired Greg Walker?


Those idiots.  Apparently they have not been reading this board, or they would know better.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 22, 2011, 09:04:21 am
Deal for Epstein is finally done.  I'm still not sure why Theo is so much better than someone like KW but Epstein has the reputation (because of Boston) but that's beside the point. For the Cubs to have him now is the first step to respectability. Good hire for them.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 22, 2011, 12:17:31 pm
Let's see how smart Theo is working with a $120M Cubs payroll instead of a $160+M Red Sox payroll. He spent over $331M on payroll the last two seasons and didn't get into the playoffs.  It's much easier to overcome your personnel mistakes when you consistently have the second highest payroll in all of baseball.

Theo is so smart that he gave Bobby Jenks a 2 year/$12M contract last winter.  Even Jim Hendry and Kenny Williams were smarter than that to offer Jenks a contract.  If you think KW made bad contracts/moves over the last few seasons (Rios, Dunn, Peavy, Swisher, Linebrink, etc.), they pale in comparison to the flops that Theo has made (Jenks, Dice-K, Drew, Cameron, Crawford, Lackey, etc.). Yes, Tom Ricketts is getting mostly positive reviews for stealing away the former Red Sox golden boy, but Boston ownership didn't want him anymore.  Will Theo bring the Cubs a World Series winner or will he be the Cubs' newer version of Andy MacPhail? The next "Great Hyped Hope" of the Cubs.

IMO, Ricketts should have gone after Andrew Friedman instead of Theo Epstein.  This season Friedman's wild-card winning Rays payroll was $42.17M  while Theo's Bosox payroll was $163.82M. Friedman has proven he can put together a very good team using limited funds as I don't think the Ricketts will have the capital to consistently maintain a top 6 MLB payroll.  Especially  if they fail to get the city/state to go along with their desire to use government backed bonds to raise $300M for renovations to their ballpark.  I think the Ricketts overpaid by $250+M to buy the Cubs from the Tribune.  There's a good reason why Mark Cuban walked away early in the bidding process for the Cubs.  It wasn't because he knew it would be hard to get MLB approval for his ownership.  It was the ridiculous price and terms the Tribune wanted and received from the Ricketts family for the Cubs.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 22, 2011, 07:59:29 pm
All the Cub lovers point out that Theo is a winner. He got Boston 2 WS championships. Well so did Andy McFail for the Twinks and how did that work out for the Cubs or the Birdies? Well we shall see how he works out in 5 years. And surprisingly he wasnt hired to be GM, he was hired as President of basketball operations. Supposedly the guy hired to be GM is the SD GM.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 22, 2011, 08:36:23 pm
Quote
And surprisingly he wasnt hired to be GM, he was hired as President of basketball operations.

No wonder the Cubs never win anything meaningful that's baseball related.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 23, 2011, 05:34:21 am
TY for catching my typo. Thats President of Baseball operations. My bad.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 23, 2011, 11:44:26 am
All the Cub lovers point out that Theo is a winner. He got Boston 2 WS championships. Well so did Andy McFail for the Twinks and how did that work out for the Cubs or the Birdies? Well we shall see how he works out in 5 years. And surprisingly he wasnt hired to be GM, he was hired as President of basketball operations. Supposedly the guy hired to be GM is the SD GM.

that is a solid 1-2 punch in the front office.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 24, 2011, 03:12:49 pm
Theo as President so when they fail, he fires the GM.

Oh, that ST article?

(http://store.perspicuity.com/sections/Products/Lemming.sized.jpg)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 25, 2011, 11:46:43 am
That Karton column was the most clueless, immature piece of dreck I've read in a long time. 

It's a scary look into the rationale of such a mind.

The comments are priceless, by the way.   Savage.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 25, 2011, 12:52:38 pm
This Cub blogger dissects the Karton piece line by line. Some funny stuff:

http://www.obstructedview.net/chicago-cubs/articles/not-everyone-is-happy-about-theo-coming-to-the-cubs.html
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 25, 2011, 12:57:47 pm
I was just getting ready to post that.... Pretty damn funny.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 25, 2011, 01:02:14 pm
Karton: Of course my buddies think I’m nuts (and a few other things I can’t print).

Blogger: I'll do it for you. You are a ****ing dip**** that makes me want to tear off my own arm so I can beat you with it.


I don't know why that made me laugh out loud, but it sure did!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 25, 2011, 01:25:13 pm
(http://www.baseball-birthdays.com/archives/July/30/images/Scott%20Fletcher.png)

Former White Sox hired to assist Greg Walker in Atlanta:

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2011/10/21/walker-hired-as-braves-hitting-coach/ (http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2011/10/21/walker-hired-as-braves-hitting-coach/)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 25, 2011, 01:37:44 pm
Scott Fletcher!  It lives!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 25, 2011, 02:39:45 pm
Line by line??  I could barely get through the first one, yet alone a line by line dissection.  Really - how introverted are some people's lives?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 25, 2011, 02:48:55 pm
(http://neutralgood.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/computernerd-500x379.jpg)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on October 25, 2011, 03:07:26 pm
Line by line??  I could barely get through the first one, yet alone a line by line dissection.  Really - how introverted are some people's lives?

It was actually quite fun and funny, don't think it's the kind of humor you go for though.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 26, 2011, 05:03:15 am
I just noticed how huge those glasses are for that guy's face.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 26, 2011, 08:13:20 am
So does sports radio get back to normal today or is it going to be all Theo all the time from now until spring training? Did the guy walk on water at his press conference or something?

Why do I get the feeling that the excitement wouldn't be quite so high in the media if it were the Sox that hired him? Is it because the Sox don't have a curse to break?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 26, 2011, 08:55:07 am
So does sports radio get back to normal today or is it going to be all Theo all the time from now until spring training? Did the guy walk on water at his press conference or something?

Why do I get the feeling that the excitement wouldn't be quite so high in the media if it were the Sox that hired him? Is it because the Sox don't have a curse to break?

The beer that they were (reportedly) drinking in the Boston dugout?
Theo turned water into that beer.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 08:55:11 am
Its because it would never happen.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 26, 2011, 09:51:00 am
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Theo turned water into that beer.

Heh. Look, I'm not in any way dismissing this as a bad move for the Cubs. I stated the other day that it was a great hire for them. The thing is, the hype and excitement that surrounds anything Cubs-related is what irritates Sox fans. This is why Cub fans say Sox fans have an inferiority complex but it's because the Sox don't get treated the same. Sure it's because this is a Cubs town but that doesn't make it easier for a Sox fan living in Chicago to stomach. They just don't.  Cub fans can't understand that.

And this is why I get so annoyed with Cub fans. They think they "deserve" the Cubs to win the World Series because they're such good fans and have waited so very, very long. They also love to dismiss the Sox' World Series win by saying no one cared about it. I've had people say those exact words to me countless times. (yeah, 2 million people lined the streets for the parade because they didn't care). But they say when/if the Cubs win the series, oh boy just you wait and see the celebration that ensues for that.

They're right, there will be a much bigger celebration for the Cubs because of the fact that it will be something historic. But the reason it will be historic is because they've stunk for so damn long.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 26, 2011, 09:51:18 am
Ugh, sorry that I need to vent about that stuff once in awhile.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 26, 2011, 10:29:03 am
Everybody knows its a Cub town. But regardless what Cub fans said I still Think it was relevant for the 2 million who attended
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 26, 2011, 10:30:12 am
Preaching to the choir.

Theo Epstein is the next Dusty Ba... err... Lou Pini... err... Mark Pri.... umm... Kosuke Fuk.... umm.... Hold on.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 26, 2011, 10:32:05 am
Jim Hendry?

Andy McFail?

Next!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 10:33:29 am
I greatly disagree.

The tribune company no longer owns the Cubs. Ricketts made the smart move... It is smarter in baseball to spend 16 million on your front office and a payroll of 50 million then to get a bunch of idiots in the front office and and a 120 million dollar roster.

If theo brings his penchant for plucking FA's on the verge of FA for compensation pics into  high priced draft picks well below slot he can turn their farm system around in a few years.

I think Theo will bring a "change in culture" to the cubs... He might not win a WS, but i think he'll make them competitive and put them in a position to have a 6-9 year window where they can truly compete in the NL.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 26, 2011, 10:36:58 am
Look at the Pee-rates this year. It looks like they are just a player or two away
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 26, 2011, 10:45:21 am
I greatly disagree.

The tribune company no longer owns the Cubs. Ricketts made the smart move... It is smarter in baseball to spend 16 million on your front office and a payroll of 50 million then to get a bunch of idiots in the front office and and a 120 million dollar roster.

If theo brings his penchant for plucking FA's on the verge of FA for compensation pics into  high priced draft picks well below slot he can turn their farm system around in a few years.

I think Theo will bring a "change in culture" to the cubs... He might not win a WS, but i think he'll make them competitive and put them in a position to have a 6-9 year window where they can truly compete in the NL.

...and that's different from what McPhail supposedly brought to the Cubs.... how?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 10:54:32 am
Theo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McFail.

He had fail in his name... and he was pretentious enough to spell it with a ph... not even phucking close.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 26, 2011, 11:00:59 am
Theo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McFail.

He had fail in his name... and he was pretentious enough to spell it with a ph... not even phucking close.

McPhail won 2 World Series rings at his old job.

How many has Theo won, again?

...and how is that different?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 11:09:34 am
Theo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McFail.

He had fail in his name... and he was pretentious enough to spell it with a ph... not even phucking close.

McPhail won 2 World Series rings at his old job.

How many has Theo won, again?

...and how is that different?

the same way going into iraq with a broadsword instead of a scalpel was different.

Times have changed. Phail is the old guard... he got passed up by the saber crowd.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 26, 2011, 11:28:07 am
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I think Theo will bring a "change in culture" to the cubs... He might not win a WS

The Cubs have to, at minimum, get to the world series or he will ultimately leave here a failure.  How many of those former "saviors" came here with impeccable reputations, reputations as successes....as winners....and ended their Cubs run with that same reputation?

Dusty Baker came in as a proven success and in his first season with the Cubs they got to within 3 outs of the series. But a few years later he was chased out of town and he's mocked by Cubs fans these days as a bozo.

Then Lou Piniella came in and he meant business. He "changed their culture" and would not tolerate any type of "losers" tagline. He brought them to the playoffs in back-to-back seasons for the first time in years. And the 2008 Cubs was the best Cubs team any of us have seen in our lifetimes. They should have won it all that year (or at the very least should have been in the world series). But only 2 years later he was quitting on them and he didn't leave with the same reputation as when he arrived either.

Everyone knows that turning around this cubs team will take a couple years but in 7-8 years from now, if the Cubs haven't at least made it to the world series, will Theo still be Boy Wonder then? Will the Cubs be chasing him out of town or will he be ready to get the hell out himself?

Again, Ricketts has done his part by hiring one of the better GM's out there. But in regards to all the hype, the question is will this just have the same ending as all the past "wonder boys"?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 12:02:38 pm
I'll repeat again... in the past a lot of the hype was cubune generated... this time its more fanbase generated.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 26, 2011, 12:14:26 pm
Times have changed. Phail is the old guard... he got passed up by the saber crowd.

...and who's to say that Epstein (the "saber" crowd) hasn't been passed up by others?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 12:42:46 pm
me. :)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Toker on October 26, 2011, 12:48:02 pm
All of this talk is irrelevant.

Simply because, there really is a curse on that team as long as they play in Wrigley Field. I'm not saying that to be funny or dismissive, I'm saying it because it's a fact of the supernatural. Theo, nor anyone else is going to be able to fix it.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 01:24:14 pm
Fact of the supernatural?

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 26, 2011, 04:09:18 pm
I'd hate to see the Cubs win the World Series before the Sox do it again. 

...for all the reasons you can imagine.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 26, 2011, 05:17:09 pm
Unfortunately, Fury, I think the Sox could win 4 consecutive World Series but then if the Cubs won it would still be like the Sox never existed. And Cub fans would still say that no one cared about the Sox' 5 titles. Such is life as a Sox fan in a Cub town.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on October 26, 2011, 05:45:56 pm
the hype after a coo WS win would be huge, but once it died down, they'd no longer be the cursed team.  and i don't think they will grow their fan base much more
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 26, 2011, 08:25:06 pm
If you're a MLB player who made the switch to a Phoenix-based agent in the last two years, your wife's attorney is on the phone:

http://www.businessinsider.com/bibi-jones-agent-mlb-clients-2011-10 (http://www.businessinsider.com/bibi-jones-agent-mlb-clients-2011-10)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on October 26, 2011, 08:30:39 pm
the hype after a coo WS win would be huge, but once it died down, they'd no longer be the cursed team.  and i don't think they will grow their fan base much more

Yeap... and if we win a couple in the mean time... the next generation of baseball fans in Chicago... will be predominately Sox fans.

Sox take care of the winning part... the rest will take care of itself.

I do wish a journalist who is a WS fan would write an article calling for JR to also go hire a better front office. atleast phail won 2 WS titles... we've given KW a pass for 6 years of spectacularly crappy teams for 1 title.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on October 26, 2011, 11:00:56 pm
(http://bp3.blogger.com/_2G3UcoksI50/RwUuXqzydoI/AAAAAAAAA60/HZCS_n-okQs/s400/lou-piniella-press-conference.jpg)(http://mlblogswrigleyregular.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/lou_piniella21.jpg?w=264&h=300)

Don't worry, It's always the same story.  Just swap out the Lou pictures for Theo.  No question about how it will end.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 27, 2011, 08:59:07 pm
Chris DeLuca thinks the Theo-mania is a bit overblown, too:

This unconditional love for Epstein has set the bar ridiculously high to produce a World Series title in the next two or three years. Otherwise, long-suffering Cubs fans will turn bitter.

At least, that has been the timetable for the most recent North Side saviors, Dusty Baker and Lou Piniella. By Year 3 without even a World Series appearance, those two respected managers were feeling unloved in Chicago. When they left, they looked chewed up by the process.



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/deluca/8438410-452/hey-cubs-fans-baseball-execs-arent-rock-stars.html
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 28, 2011, 04:33:19 pm
uhhh    Pinella and Baker were managers, brought in to get solid veteran teams over the top.  Epstein is a general manager, brought into rebuild the farm system from the bottom-up.  Anyone (i.e., Deluca) who thinks the Cubs are supposed to win a WS in the next two or three years because of this hire is an idiot.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on October 28, 2011, 04:41:05 pm
In Epstein We Trustein...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on October 28, 2011, 07:42:30 pm
uhhh    Pinella and Baker were managers, brought in to get solid veteran teams over the top.  Epstein is a general manager, brought into rebuild the farm system from the bottom-up.  Anyone (i.e., Deluca) who thinks the Cubs are supposed to win a WS in the next two or three years because of this hire is an idiot.

Pinella and Baker were managers, but Epstein WAS a GM now hired to be President, not GM. I am not sure how this division of power is going to work out with the GM of the Padres supposedly the new GM.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on October 31, 2011, 12:42:05 am
I think it will work fine.  They are old buds.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on October 31, 2011, 09:49:35 am
...and now LaRussa has announced his retirement.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on October 31, 2011, 11:21:40 am
Heh, lots of Cubs talk in here...

Sophist nails it...anyone who expects a Cubs WS in the next 2-3 years is a moron. We're not close.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 31, 2011, 01:47:35 pm
Sox exercised their option on Jason Frasor

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/white-sox-exercise-option-on-jason-frasor.html

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on October 31, 2011, 01:52:13 pm
Other pertinent notes, mostly dealing with the Indians:

1. They have traded a prospect to Atlanta for Derek Lowe. That pitching staff should make Indians formidable next year.

2. They declined their option on Grady Sizemore, making him a FA. Assuming we do not re-sign Pierre we should be looking into a 1-yr deal.
Assuming we're serious about trading Quentin, we could stick Sizemore in CF, Rios in RF and Viciedo in LF. Lilli and De Aza off the bench.

3. Buerhle and Pierre are both Type B FAs.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on October 31, 2011, 02:55:37 pm
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we could stick Sizemore in CF

I wouldn't be opposed to this idea if he can stay healthy.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on October 31, 2011, 03:52:17 pm
Let's not stick Rios in RF.  Let's stick him in a manhole.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on October 31, 2011, 08:10:40 pm
Buerhle and Pierre are both Type B FAs

I understand Pierre, but why isn't Buerhle a Type A?

Are the Cubs behind this??????
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on November 01, 2011, 08:43:54 am
Pierre  being a type B does not matter, doubt we offer arby to him, so he will not have compensation.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 01, 2011, 09:13:16 am
Once it's a "for sure" thing that Juan Pierre will not be returning, I think a pictorial retrospective of his illustrious White Sox years is in order.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 01, 2011, 09:36:24 am
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Once it's a "for sure" thing that Juan Pierre will not be returning, I think a pictorial retrospective of his illustrious White Sox years is in order.

I would be in favor of banning whoever decides to compile such a montage.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 01, 2011, 10:22:04 am
There wont be anyone left on the board other then you and wshful.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 01, 2011, 11:16:14 am
I got 'em all on my Flickr account. Just waiting to be unleashed.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 01, 2011, 11:28:59 am
Okay, what's with the horizontal scroll bars on some of the posts?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 01, 2011, 11:51:24 am
Createaforums is anticipating the need for scroll bars for the photo montage.

just smart programming.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 01, 2011, 01:59:06 pm
HA- that's exactly what I was going to suggest.

SoxRule is no doubt out purchasing a huge new monitor in preparation for the retrospective.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 01, 2011, 02:42:38 pm
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There wont be anyone left on the board other then you and wshful.

Oh, just kill me, now.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on November 02, 2011, 12:50:38 pm
heh
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 02, 2011, 02:17:54 pm
Epstien fires Quade...

Would love to go see him hire whoever the bosox want....
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 02, 2011, 02:26:05 pm
Reading between the lines, I think Francona is the next Cubs manager.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on November 03, 2011, 10:11:42 am
Joe McEwing is a candidate for the Cardinals job...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 03, 2011, 10:28:18 am
He wont leave the fold...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 03, 2011, 10:29:55 am
Joe McEwing is the next Sox manager after Ventura is sacrificed to the Kenny god.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on November 03, 2011, 10:37:24 am
McEwing was a Cardinal. Came up thru their system...

He's not the top candidate, Oquendo is...but McEwing would take that job in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 03, 2011, 10:40:36 am
Hes part of the family now... only way to leave is to die...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on November 03, 2011, 11:08:18 am
Heh, I'll let Bevington know that next time I see him...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 04, 2011, 02:39:33 pm
One of my favorite pics of Tony:
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on November 04, 2011, 03:30:48 pm
That's the version we're getting back.  We never should have lent him out.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 04, 2011, 05:11:43 pm
Hah... are we even getting him back? and in what capacity?

Is he replacing kenny?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 05, 2011, 11:17:06 am
Jim Thome signs with the Phillies. Good for him. Probably his last chance to get a ring.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 05, 2011, 12:39:29 pm
Too much bad karma... he'll ruin the rest of the phillies chances of getting one.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on November 05, 2011, 04:49:18 pm
He'll hang 'em up by Memorial Day...

Book it.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 07, 2011, 12:06:01 pm
Somebody must be mistaken. Surely MLB network cant be wrong. They said Buehrle was a Type A FA.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 07, 2011, 12:37:23 pm
KC trades Melky Cabrera to the Giants for Jonathan Sanchez and a pitching prospect.

Good deal for both teams. Sanchez has electric stuff, needs some control. Cabrera fills a need position for SF.
KC will promote Lorenzo Cain to replace Cabrera.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7203609/kansas-city-royals-trade-melky-cabrera-san-francisco-giants-jonathan-sanchez
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 07, 2011, 01:12:27 pm
I think thats a steal of a deal for KC.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 07, 2011, 01:36:39 pm
I agree with Method.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 07, 2011, 03:28:40 pm
If he can improve his control, I'd rather have Sanchez.

If he continues his progress toward becoming the next Oliver Perez...SF wins.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 07, 2011, 03:53:44 pm
Twins GM Bill Smith has been shown the way to the soup line:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-twins-fire-gm-smith-ryan-back-in-interim-role-20111107,0,5875846.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 08, 2011, 01:33:31 pm
Free-agent pool ready for influx of Cuban talent

By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 11/07/11 11:30 PM ET

The free-agent market will receive a boost when a large group of players from Cuba become eligible to sign with Major League clubs before the end of the year.

Outfielders Yoennis Cespedes, 26, and Jorge Soler, 19, along with right-handed pitcher Armando Rivero, 23, all participated in showcases last week in the Dominican Republic and highlight a list of Cuban players that could show up on big league rosters next season.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111107&content_id=25932036&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111107&content_id=25932036&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 08, 2011, 02:52:39 pm
ChiTribRogers Phil Rogers
Reports say Mark Buehrle starts FA process w/trip to Miami. He's in demand, and all but gone from #whitesox.


And also.....

The Marlins also were meeting with free-agent left-hander Mark Buerhle on Tuesday, but the competition to sign Buehrle is intense, sources say.
Three big-money AL clubs - the Yankees, Red Sox and Rangers – are among the teams said to be interested in Buehrle.


Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 08, 2011, 04:28:52 pm
YIPPPPEEE!

we lose my two favorite Sox... and we get to keep KW and rios... i'm just o so happy.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on November 08, 2011, 04:35:45 pm
Will be hard to take when Buerhle officially leaves; worst than when Ventura left.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 08, 2011, 04:39:22 pm
Worse then when frank left... even though he didnt have much left in the tank... it hurt.

This one hurts as much.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on November 08, 2011, 05:15:48 pm
Frank had allot of baggage when he left so was not as hard.  Buerhle has always been the ultimate unselfish team player.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 08, 2011, 06:57:06 pm
will definitely be hard to see Burly pitching for another team.  Hope it's in the NL. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 08, 2011, 08:29:56 pm
YIPPPPEEE!  we lose my two favorite Sox... and we get to keep KW and rios... i'm just o so happy.

Pretty much sums up my sentiments as well.   Wish they didn't hire Ventura, because otherwise it would be fun to watch Kenny (and the rest of those clowns he hired) crash and burn.

On the bright side, good seats should be readily available next year.  Might even be able to get a free upper deck seat just for supersizing at Wendy's, like in the good ol' days.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on November 08, 2011, 09:16:01 pm
It's sickening, but hey, Ozzie's gone!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 09, 2011, 07:17:13 am
I wont ever sit in the upper deck again. I'll watch on TV. TYVM. As for Buehrle I will definitely miss him if he signs elsewhere. Just because he visits elsewhere and he gets big offers from other teams, Buehrle is too classy not to give the Sox a chance to match, not that the Sox will.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 09, 2011, 07:19:30 am
I wont ever sit in the upper deck again. I'll watch on TV. TYVM. As for Buehrle I will definitely miss him if he signs elsewhere. Just because he visits elsewhere and he gets big offers from other teams, Buehrle is too classy not to give the Sox a chance to match, not that the Sox will.

For MB's sake, I hope JR's classy enough not to match.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 09, 2011, 11:08:16 am
God, is this team going to suck next year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 09, 2011, 11:36:18 am
MSF, who should we be targeting with out top 10 pick in '13?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on November 09, 2011, 11:57:11 am
Frank had allot of baggage when he left so was not as hard.  Buerhle has always been the ultimate unselfish team player.

LOL. Shoe has not responded, Frank must not have finished yet.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on November 09, 2011, 11:58:12 am
MSF, who should we be targeting with out top 10 pick in '13?

No idea Blackie, I need to get closer to the draft before I would know. Bet the kids in mom's basement have some ideas tho.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 09, 2011, 12:05:43 pm
MSF, who should we be targeting with out top 10 pick in '13?

No idea Blackie, I need to get closer to the draft before I would know. Bet the kids in mom's basement have some ideas tho.

http://www.arizonawildcats.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/field_johnny00.html

?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 09, 2011, 01:12:39 pm
Good choice. Maybe we'd get tickets...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 09, 2011, 01:14:09 pm
Cowley gets a "heh":

cst_Cowley How I see the Sox organizational meetings going today: A big quiet room, until someone speaks up and says, "Now what the hell do we do?"
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 09, 2011, 02:19:25 pm
Boy, you people are acting as if the Sox will be lucky to win 50 games next year. Listen, I'm as big a pessimist as any when it comes to this team but let's let the offseason take shape first before declaring 2012 a near last place finish. I'm not that thrilled with the new coaching staff that doesn't have much experience but they can't be worse than the year Ozzie had last year. And who knows, they might surprise and actually be better!!

And at least they'll bring some professionalism to the organization instead of the embarrassing freak show that was Ozzie Guillen and family the last 2 years. Settle down boys and girls. When the Sox are in last place in May and 20 games out, then we can all b*tch and moan.   :D
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 09, 2011, 02:47:58 pm
Yeah, I'm actually optimistic about next year. Good young nucleus, positional depth, and some guys who just had career-worst years that should rebound
at least somewhat if not completely.

Sale will replace whoever leaves the rotation. I'd hate to see Buerhle leave, and I don't think he will, but if he does, Sale has ace potential.

I don't see any gaping holes in the lineup or pitching staff. We will be a tough young team next year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 09, 2011, 02:52:09 pm
I don't like Sale.  I mean, I do.... but I don't think he's a long-term solution.  He'll have season ending surgery before the end of 2013 if he enters the rotation.  I'll bet anyone here a case of beer (or non-alcoholic equivalent for you non-drinkers out there).
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 09, 2011, 03:09:46 pm
Dunn and Rios are not gaping holes? theres a joke there somewhere.

We heard the same bit about bad years they will rebound... at some point its just water finding its level and its not going to rebound ie rios.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 09, 2011, 03:22:45 pm
Dunn and Rios are not gaping holes? theres a joke there somewhere.

We heard the same bit about bad years they will rebound... at some point its just water finding its level and its not going to rebound ie rios.

If they still suck in June after several months of non-Walker coaching, then I'll concede that they suck.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 09, 2011, 03:22:57 pm
...well, Dunn, anyways.  Rios I think is a lost cause.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 09, 2011, 03:30:05 pm
Let's go ahead and trade Dunn for a box of donuts now like we did with Swisher...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 09, 2011, 03:31:12 pm
At least we got a "Jhonny" out of it.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 09, 2011, 03:34:26 pm
Rios can be an asset if he is coming off the bench. Expensive 4th OF, but it is what it is.
I am talking about a starting lineup that includes Viciedo, De Aza and Quentin as currently constructed.

No gaping holes.

Morel, Ramirez, Beckham, Konerko and Flowers/Pierzynski.

Morel and Beckham are question marks, but certainly not gaping holes.

If Dunn sucks, then yeah, we have a DH problem. That could be solved by moving Quentin to DH and playing Lillibridge/Rios.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 09, 2011, 05:28:27 pm
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dallas+McPherson+Cleveland+Indians+v+Chicago+YqpfYP6asqnl.jpg)

Sox re-sign McPherson

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-resign-mcpherson-20111108,0,1832783.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-resign-mcpherson-20111108,0,1832783.story)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 09, 2011, 10:29:05 pm
Wilson Ramos of the Nationals has been kidnapped by 4 armed gunman.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7214102/washington-nationals-wilson-ramos-kidnapped-home-venezuela
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 07:16:41 am
I think they will continue to be just what they were this past season....a .500 ballclub and very frustrating to watch. If you are hoping things will be better.....well you will be disappointed. At least thats my feeling.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 07:24:46 am
And just for grins and giggles, why would you want a 15 Mil player to be your 4th OF? Yeah sure nobody will take him off our hands due to his expensive contract but why even have him on your roster? Isnt it a waste to have a 15 Mill player riding the pines?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 10, 2011, 07:31:38 am
And just for grins and giggles, why would you want a 15 Mil player to be your 4th OF? Yeah sure nobody will take him off our hands due to his expensive contract but why even have him on your roster? Isnt it a waste to have a 15 Mill player riding the pines?

What would you propose for the alternative?  Play him just because he's expensive?

It's a bigger waste to have a guy give you negative production every day while being paid $15M.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 10, 2011, 09:00:55 am
That's the same logic that Cubs fans were using for why Kerry Wood couldn't go to the bullpen. "You can't pay a guy 10 mil to close".

Apparently, you can.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 10, 2011, 09:11:47 am
Agree w/ JosephC on Sale. Those mechanics just scream "breakdown".

As always, I want them to be either contending-good or hilarious-bad. .500 is so boring. I believe BlackSox has held that sentiment in past seasons as well.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 10, 2011, 09:34:48 am
I think the Sox will flirt with looking like a contender 'til about July and then fall below .500, finishing at about 74-88.  I think 2012 will be maximum frustration  - spurts of hope alternating with depression and then ultimate boredom.

Ventura will get a pass for his first season of managing.  He won't be that good next year.  But I'll expect better, much better, in '13.

Quote
... at least they'll bring some professionalism to the organization instead of the embarrassing freak show that was Ozzie Guillen and family the last 2 years.

You know, at least Ozzie was entertaining and was outspoken.  I'll miss that.  I also feel that, family circus aside, he's a pretty decent manager.  Not necessarily great, but good, and he'll probably get better and maybe win another World Series somewhere else.  And yeah, I will NOT miss his sons' interjections.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 10, 2011, 09:39:05 am
I wish hunnie were still around... would have her put 100 on the marlins to win WS next year.

Watch ozzie get MB and Reyes... Loria is opening his wallet up after being a cheap SOB the last decade.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 10, 2011, 09:39:25 am
As always, I want them to be either contending-good or hilarious-bad. .500 is so boring. I believe BlackSox has held that sentiment in past seasons as well.

Hell yeah.   Same goes with Da Bears, too.   .500 just isn't entertaining.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 10, 2011, 09:40:08 am

According to a Sox source, Buehrle has told the team no hometown discount coming this time around. There are about 10 teams interested.

http://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=cst_Cowley

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 09:40:17 am
And just for grins and giggles, why would you want a 15 Mil player to be your 4th OF? Yeah sure nobody will take him off our hands due to his expensive contract but why even have him on your roster? Isnt it a waste to have a 15 Mill player riding the pines?

What would you propose for the alternative?  Play him just because he's expensive?

It's a bigger waste to have a guy give you negative production every day while being paid $15M.

DeAza gives you more? Just about even defensively in CF. I would try to stick Rios in RF. It seemed his best position. I would try to unload Quentin. Probably more valuable in a trade. Viciedo needs to play LF if he plays OF. Usually CF is notorious for having light hitters there, maybe DeAza can play regular CF satisfactorially. His arm seems to be better than Pods or PeeAire
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 09:53:02 am
Even while I think the Sox will be .500 or there abouts, they still can be contending, depending on the rest of the division.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 10, 2011, 09:54:39 am
DeAza gives you more? Just about even defensively in CF. I would try to stick Rios in RF. It seemed his best position. I would try to unload Quentin. Probably more valuable in a trade. Viciedo needs to play LF if he plays OF. Usually CF is notorious for having light hitters there, maybe DeAza can play regular CF satisfactorially. His arm seems to be better than Pods or PeeAire

Well, De Aza doesn't give you any less, really.  I'd actually go with Lil'Beast over De Aza or Rios, but that's just me.

I don't understand why you'd want to play Rios, even in RF.  His bat is horrid.  Whatever gains you get out of his glove over Quentin, he more than offsets it with his bat.
IMO, he needs to earn the right to play every day.  De Aza and Lil'Beast have.  Rios has earned his way to the bench.  He's not an everyday player.  Not according to my baseball logic, anyways.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 10:00:29 am
I guess to sumarize my thoughts on Rios is if you are only going to play him once a week to give players a rest, then just cut him and pay him his money to stay home
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 10, 2011, 10:03:06 am
no no no... that would require KW to admit he was wrong....
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 10, 2011, 10:05:25 am
I just think Rios can be an asset if he's utilized in specific circumstances. He has plenty of talent. I'd rather pay him 15 mil for 250-300 ABs in favorable
situations than pay him 15 mil to play for someone else.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 10:05:29 am
Hey, wrong is wrong. Admitting the truth hurts but when you are wrong, you are wrong
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 10:08:30 am
I just think Rios can be an asset if he's utilized in specific circumstances. He has plenty of talent. I'd rather pay him 15 mil for 250-300 ABs in favorable
situations than pay him 15 mil to play for someone else.

Like what? Against LH pitchers only?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 10, 2011, 02:27:15 pm
Wow:


The White Sox have agreed to terms with free agent left-handed pitchers Donnie Veal and Jose Quintana.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 10, 2011, 02:48:17 pm
Quintana.... that dude can roll, man.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 03:12:45 pm
Now here is a guy the Sox should go after but I doubt it happens

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-japanese-center-fielder-added-to-free-agent-pool-20111110,0,1293446.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 03:26:32 pm
I would guess that the Sox could be looking for LH pitching. Maybe they are worried about losing a couple of current LH pitchers. Interesting to see the 40 man roster at 34
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 10, 2011, 03:55:00 pm
You all know that if the Sox got that Japanese batting champ to play CF they'd have to rehire Greg Walker to get his batting average down to .220 and we know Walker isnt coming back so that means we wont be getting the guy. ;D
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on November 10, 2011, 04:11:37 pm
Fukudome was a Japanese batting champion, too...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: the Law on November 10, 2011, 06:20:57 pm
Wow:


The White Sox have agreed to terms with free agent left-handed pitchers Donnie Veal and Jose Quintana.


I like taking a flyer on Donald Veal as a LH bullpen guy. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on November 10, 2011, 06:36:09 pm
or hilarious-bad.

I agree.  Either seriously contend for the WS (not just the championship of a mediocre division) or really suck early on so you can trade what you have for real prospects, then suck a couple more years and get some GOOD draft picks, then pretend it's 1990 again and go on a decade long run.

PW only has about another good 10+ years left, so lets not waste any time here!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 11, 2011, 09:22:02 am
Either seriously contend for the WS (not just the championship of a mediocre division) or really suck early on so you can trade what you have for real prospects, then suck a couple more years and get some GOOD draft picks, then pretend it's 1990 again and go on a decade long run.

Well, that really isn't my motivation for hilarious-bad. My motivation is the "hilarious" part.

But it would accomplish what you say as well.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 11, 2011, 02:27:20 pm
Sorry, I never want to see the Sox be hilariously bad. 2007 was pure torture.

Additionally, with this being a 2-team town with the Sox being the lesser liked of the 2 teams, they cannot be hilariously bad or will risk losing any relevancy whatsoever.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 11, 2011, 03:06:21 pm
Ha- wow, they lost 90 games in '07? I don't remember them being that awful. I must have been drunk that summer.

Although, looking at the roster, I do remember one Darin Erstad providing plenty of laughs.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 11, 2011, 09:27:38 pm
i miss WC
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 12, 2011, 08:01:05 am
Why? This site is way better than WC.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 12, 2011, 09:33:48 am
I browse SoxTalk sometimes and stole this post from RockRaines, who supposedly knows someone connected to the Sox:

Noting the source...

cst_Cowley cst_Cowley
According to a Sox source, Buehrle has told the team no hometown discount coming this time around. There are about 10 teams interested.


(RR's response:)

1. Cowley doesnt have a Sox source

2. His agent told the Sox that they were his first choice and would come back to them with market interest.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 12, 2011, 10:30:41 am
Good stuff, SR.  Funny, you and I could be a Sox source.  Hey, it's only money.  Time to go all in again.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 14, 2011, 06:57:43 am
Time to go all in again.

For what? a sub .500 team with a 125 Mill payroll? I doubt we see Reinsdorf pony up to that idea.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 14, 2011, 02:49:33 pm
Even if they move the guys they can.   let's say:  Buerhle gone (sandwich pick), Floyd, Danks, Quentin, Thornton . . .


that's about an $88 million payroll for a team that will probably be bad.   I don't see Jerry accepting that.


Kenny said recently "our payroll will be a little bit less" than last year.  interesting.   does that mean $115 is ok?  Lose Buehrle and the payroll's about there, leaving some room to work with if, for example, you just trade Quentin from that group.


If all-in means $115mm, fine.  But I'd like to see them go over slot with a couple high draft picks (#14 and about #35) and pick up some young-uns in whatever trades get pulled off.











Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 14, 2011, 03:33:55 pm
Papelbon to the Phillies for $50 mil.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 16, 2011, 08:06:01 am
Williams smiled Tuesday night when confirming that a trade proposal from another team surprised him at the general managers meetings.

Although Williams didn't elaborate on details, he spoke about how the general shape of the Sox could change soon.


Wonder who.....

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1116-white-sox-chicago--20111116,0,1390973.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 16, 2011, 08:40:25 am
Has to be Danks... only one on our team that would fetch a lot in return. Maybe Q.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 16, 2011, 08:41:49 am
"(Manager) Robin Ventura makes the lineup out," Williams said. "He will be given a suggestion, though."

Yea i bet you gave your sh1tty suggestions to play rios everyday to ozzie too.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 16, 2011, 09:15:05 am
I think Kenny is smiling because someone wants Dunn or Rios.  We can dream. can't we?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 16, 2011, 09:15:51 am
By the way, has He announced the hiring of Connie Mack yet?  Or is it Jesus? 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 16, 2011, 09:50:49 am
I think Kenny is smiling because someone wants Dunn or Rios.  We can dream. can't we?

Kendry did say the proposal surprised him -- so this certainly would qualify.   I doubt that someone wants Danks would be "surprising".

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 16, 2011, 11:04:50 am
Kendry... heh... i like that... thats his new name.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dazed63 on November 16, 2011, 11:24:40 am
Can we Trade Kenny???

So bad team = empty seats

how long does JR put up with that before KW is "reassigned"?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dazed63 on November 16, 2011, 11:27:21 am
Before the "juice" came along it seemed players production really dropped off at around 32.

Dunn just an early starter? :)

His bat just seemed so slow.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 16, 2011, 11:31:46 am
Quote
how long does JR put up with that before KW is "reassigned"?

He had a chance to do that now. Kenny offered to take a different position and JR chose to keep him where he is. So part of me wonders what needs to happen for him to get fired or reassigned. But as you said there will be many empty seats this summer.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 16, 2011, 11:38:31 am
Hilarious:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-buehrle-robertson-gibson-20111116,0,7015122.story

A Very Special Rogersian look at the a possible South Side Apocalypse.   So, Buehrle is a traitor for going elsewhere for a bean-load of more money?  Whatever.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 16, 2011, 12:01:34 pm
Ha- I almost couldn't make it past this:
But would Buehrle really take his 12-season legacy as a South Side icon and place it on a Weber grill outside U.S Cellular Field, sending it up into the skies like so much barbecue smoke?

I can just see Rogers sitting back and looking at that and thinking "that's just excellent".
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 16, 2011, 04:21:46 pm
I think Kenny is smiling because someone wants Dunn or Rios.  We can dream. can't we?

I like that guess. It could be, but Kenny's surprise could have been what was offered in return. That might be too much to hope for
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 16, 2011, 04:53:16 pm
I wish they'd also force them to remove that ridiculous hill in CF, and that stupid left field wall with the painted yellow home run line.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-mlb-forcing-astros-to-move-to-al-20111116,0,6131559.story


Actually though, I am shocked they are going to do interleague every day in order to have a 15/15 league balance.   I am okay with it,  but figured they'd just add two expansion teams to the AL when the economy got better.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 16, 2011, 04:59:59 pm
No need for expansion...

I think this will work just fine... might have more 2 game series due to scheduling issues though.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 16, 2011, 06:45:44 pm
So where would that put the Stros? AL West?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 16, 2011, 06:54:43 pm
Thats what the article indicated.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 16, 2011, 07:36:44 pm
Heh - I've been talking about two 15-team leagues for some time now.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 16, 2011, 09:07:54 pm
I hope the new every day inter league game replaces the current two periods of non stop inter league play.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 17, 2011, 06:51:41 am
I am downright sick of interleague play. I did without it before it began and I could do without it if it were eliminated. To me its worn out its welcome.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 17, 2011, 07:43:45 am
The novelty has worn out.  I like the fact that those games are being treated as any other games now.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 17, 2011, 08:09:09 am
No more expansion, please.  I'd rather see contraction, down to 12 teams in each league.

Every city of any size shouldn't automatically have a right to have a Major League Baseball team.

Conservatives, you all should be against this kind of feeling of entitlement.   ;D
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on November 17, 2011, 09:47:54 am
Dale Sveum to the Coob?  Any bleacher bums lurking with thoughts?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 17, 2011, 10:17:04 am
Seems like a pretty good hire... Bosox want him too.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 17, 2011, 11:27:45 am
From bits and pieces I've read it appeared that after meeting with Sveum twice, the Red Sox still were hesitant to offer him the job. They are supposedly going to interview more candidates now.

Sveum was apparently holding off on accepting the Cubs' offer until he knew if the Red Sox were going to offer him the job or not. I assume now that the Red Sox still haven't made up their minds he'll accept the Cubs' job.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 17, 2011, 11:35:20 am
What i read was that he wants cubs job... stay in NL in the division hes familier with. basically using Bosox as a negotiating ploy.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 17, 2011, 01:16:09 pm
Loveland will just "love" the second part of this news:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-mlb-shifts-astros-to-al-adds-wildcard-teams-20111117,0,1126113.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 17, 2011, 07:39:34 pm
wow.  if hendry made that hire there would be OWF.   Brewers could have hired him twice and passed.  but cubs fans are so stupid they're saying, well, if he's ok by Theo, he's ok by me.  FAIL!!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 17, 2011, 11:14:08 pm
Why is it a fail?

People do tend to advance in their professions over time... and there is a lot more that goes into the decision.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 18, 2011, 09:23:26 am
OWF?

Is this correct? 

Acronym for OMGWTFFTW
For use when something awesome happens and one of the three (OMG, WTF, or FTW) original acronyms is not sufficient. Not to be confused with OMGWTFBBQ (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OMGWTFBBQ).
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 18, 2011, 10:58:36 am
OMGWTFBBQ > Shoeless
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 18, 2011, 02:52:49 pm
I'm still getting used to the new meaning of FTW.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 18, 2011, 08:07:03 pm
Intriguing trade scenarios for Sox's Danks, Floyd
 
Sox starter John Danks could prove solid trade bait.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-intriguing-trade-scenarios-for-soxs-danks-and-floyd-20111117,0,4381481.story

Very interesting
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 19, 2011, 06:56:17 pm
Pardon my ignorance... but what is the least bit intriguing about that article... way to state the obvious
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on November 21, 2011, 12:26:10 pm
I'm happy with the Sveum hiring...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 22, 2011, 09:05:03 am
The Rangers signed Joe Nathan -- 2yr, 14M and option for 3rd year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 22, 2011, 09:20:37 am
Feliz to the rotation.

Like they needed to get better...at least it keeps the Twinkies sinking.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 22, 2011, 09:40:38 am
Apparently, we didn't like any of our guys...

the Orioles signed Miguel Socolovich. The 25-year-old righty struck out 11.1 batters per nine innings in the White Sox's system this year, posting a 3.44 ERA in 55 relief innings.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 22, 2011, 01:24:09 pm
An oldie but a goodie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0dqWhzU6k
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 22, 2011, 02:14:59 pm
Been away awhile and trying to catch up on all the offseason news . . .     Now:  did Robin Ventura get hired by Kenny Williams or the guy who broke into Williams' home?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 22, 2011, 03:05:40 pm
I hate to laugh if the guy is a mental patient or something (or just a Sox fan who's lost his marbles with this team) but how can you not laugh at this story of the man who broke in KW's home:

Field apparently made himself at home. Police found him wearing Williams' clothes and the GM's 2005 World Series ring. He also apparently defrosted a lobster.

Williams confirmed the incident and said the man drank his beer, ate frozen pizza, surfed the internet and kicked his shoes off on the bed.


http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Man-Broke-into-Sox-GMs-Home-Defrosted-Lobster-Cops-134319858.html


Some funny comments after the story, too: "Hide your kids, hide your lobsters". LOL!!!

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 22, 2011, 04:28:07 pm
and by "defrosting a lobster," does he mean "signed some aging veteran to fill a hole at utility infielder, 5th outfielder, or 5th starter"?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 22, 2011, 04:39:42 pm
Having traded John Danks back to Texas, Quentin to the Braves, and losing Buerhle to free agency, Williams will need to tend to his pitching staff.  Floyd, Peavy, and Sale are all locks to start in 2012.  Philip Humber, Zach Stewart, Dylan Axelrod, and the three newly acquired  prospects will all compete for the four and five spots.  But given the uncertainty about two of his top three starters, Williams is unlikely to leave the final two spots in the hands of a bunch of unproven kids.  Look for him to pick up a veteran from the bottom portion of the free-agent barrel.  "I'll probably defrost a lobster for at least one of those spots," said Williams.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 22, 2011, 05:50:09 pm
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Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 22, 2011, 06:59:47 pm
Link?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on November 22, 2011, 07:48:24 pm
I think that was Sophists' attempt at making a joke. At least that's the way I took it.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 22, 2011, 08:03:04 pm
yeah, Sox Rule.   I figured the reflections on these "trades" would make that clear.  it's all about the lobster.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 22, 2011, 10:11:56 pm
I read here in DC that the Nationals see Buehrle as their top off season acquisition target to mentor their young studs. They also want a right hand bat, and GM Rizzo who drafted Quention for AZ, has his sights on him, but he's worried about strained relationship with KW because of the 2010 fouled up Dunn fr Jackson trade to be.

Had the Nationals not fouled that up, we might have found out that Dunn could not handle AL pitching/DH before we signed him to that contract.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on November 22, 2011, 11:51:18 pm
Maybe he can make amends and overpay for Q
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2011, 07:31:53 am
....like gold growing on trees.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 23, 2011, 09:13:45 am
We might also find out the appendectomy affected Dunn alot more early in the year and that it screwed him up for the season.

Somehow I'm not convinced that Dunn is a monster in the NL, but the AL is just so much better...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 23, 2011, 09:17:41 am
That's what I'm thinking....

Dunn's got too good of a track record to turn into a turd that quickly.

If he still sucks come mid-May, then I'll jump off the Dunn bandwagon for good.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 23, 2011, 11:55:12 am
Sophist, you are cracking me up with the lobster references.  Good stuff.

That story about the intruder into KW's house is surreal.  I almost wish it had been me.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 23, 2011, 01:38:49 pm
White Sox offer arby to Buerhle, not Pierre:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-offer-salary-arbitration-to-buehrle-decline-on-pierre-20111123,0,6511519.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 23, 2011, 08:55:46 pm
  "I'll probably defrost a lobster for at least one of those spots," said Williams.

I enjoyed it, Sophist.   Pretty much sums up my expectations for the off-season.




Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 24, 2011, 09:42:57 pm
Quote

Projections for Pujols, Fielder, Reyes and the top 65 free-agents

The winter spending season is off to a fast start if you're a middle-rung middle infielder. Clint Barmes, Willie Bloomquist, Mark Ellis, Jamey Carroll and John McDonald, who combined to hit 25 home runs last year, have deals for $33 million in total. Not bad for five guys who are no better than solid starters or backups.

Good for them. But many others are still waiting. The big deal so far is the $50 million over four years that closer Jonathan Papelbon signed with the Phillies. But there are more monster deals are to come. Here's what to expect (with my own projections):

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/jon_heyman/11/21/free.agents/index.html#ixzz1egXlpazt





Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 29, 2011, 08:37:11 am
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/white-sox-looking-to-trade-matt-thornton-.html?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=twitterfeed

Sox looking to trade Thornton.... hopefully for a young starter.

At this point, I'm okay with going "all out" and letting the kids take over.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 29, 2011, 09:00:26 am
Texas has the pitching
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 29, 2011, 01:08:25 pm
Trade Thornton, Quentin, Danks, and Floyd . . .  and Peavey in July if he's any good.


You could rebuild the starting staff with these trades and find maybe a corner outfielder or catching prospect or post-Konerko first baseman.


Come back with a lot of young pitching in 2013 and a baseline payroll of around $60 mm, which would certainly make it possible to add 2-3 free agents.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 29, 2011, 01:18:58 pm
Sophist, I think for all of those things to happen, you really need to wish for them to fall out of contention, way out, and early. The Sox are going to go into next year believing they can contend (and they may be right- who knows?). . .the practice now seems to be that you don't make trades of this nature until you're out of it and some team that's in it REALLY needs some of what you've got. Do we see as many blockbuster trades in the offseason as we once did? At least in the Central, everyone now believes they have a shot at it. . .hard to see huge movement by any team. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on November 29, 2011, 01:34:03 pm
Sophist, I think for all of those things to happen, you really need to wish for them to fall out of contention, way out, and early.

Realistically, this will probably happen in February.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on November 29, 2011, 02:03:01 pm
Been a long time since we have rebuilt from scratch, seems like early 90s with Sosa, Thomas etal. I am ready for it. I should mention however, KW is not the guy to have in charge if doing a rebuild, or at least we have to put forth effort in the draft.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 29, 2011, 02:15:34 pm
I'm with sophist... just hack and slash the budget away... then put it all into the draft for a couple years... pay the fines for giving out over slot bonus's just to restock the system...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 29, 2011, 03:01:20 pm
My point is, they will NOT do that if it even remotely resembles conceding 2012. That's just not how the Sox (and many other teams) do it anymore. If there's a chance of winning this year, they're going to keep their fingers crossed on that and milk it until it becomes obvious they're out of it.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 29, 2011, 03:15:14 pm
yeah, I agree that's not Kenny's MO, but it's been a long time coming.  South side Sox was speculating today about such an approach . .
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 29, 2011, 03:54:31 pm
This is true... But as MSF said... i was hoping we'd do it w/o KW :) so maybe one more year before it begins.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 29, 2011, 05:00:47 pm
on the positive side, however, Kenny has acquired some decent young talent in trades, when he's gone that route.  I don't know who, specifically, in the front Office has been instrumental in asking for Danks, floyd, quentin, flowers, etc . . . but with a couple major pieces to trade, I'd be happy with a repeat of the Garcia and McCarthy purgings . . .
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 29, 2011, 05:39:40 pm
Unless he asks for the wrong prospect in return.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on November 29, 2011, 05:52:04 pm
true . . . I'm just saying there's some evidence of grabbing the right guy. of Kenny's team nailing the right prospect

that he can pull it off

that this sort of rebuilding is not beyond his ken

that it might all be ok in the end.





Never mind
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 29, 2011, 08:25:14 pm
I could be wrong!

Maybe his surprise offer was Braves offering Teheran/delgado and beachy for Q!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on November 30, 2011, 12:22:01 pm
I'd like to have the Persian on the Sox.

(See, I'm like Wshfl now, making up private nicknames for players that no one will understand.)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 30, 2011, 12:38:16 pm
Nice first signing by Theo.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cubs-sign-dejesus-20111130,0,88637.story

Buy low...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 30, 2011, 12:44:55 pm
Lebowski Achievers will tell you, best not to f*ck with guy
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on November 30, 2011, 12:54:52 pm
According to the Astros website, the Sox will play exhibition games at Minute Maid Field on April 3-4.

Switch hitter Eduardo Escobar, who will compete for a reserve infield job, is batting .283 in 106 at-bats for LaGuaira in the Venezuelan Winter League. Infielder Ozzie Martinez acquired as compensation for manager Ozzie Guillen’s departure to Miami, is hitting .271 in 59 at-bats for Carolina in the Puerto Rico League.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-are-sox-cutting-ticket-prices-before-gutting-payroll-20111129,0,1605987.story

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2011, 01:29:20 pm
"The Sox are going to go into next year believing they can contend (and they may be right- who knows?). . .the practice now seems to be that you don't make trades of this nature until you're out of it and some team that's in it REALLY needs some of what you've got."

The Sox went tinto the whole season with big moves in the offseason and they didnt make any moves the whole season to try to correct the mistakes. Bad! Just stinking bad.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on November 30, 2011, 01:50:34 pm
Well... my parents made a mistake 31 years ago... and they've just stuck with it too... sometimes you just gotta let it ride.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on November 30, 2011, 04:11:07 pm
God lets hope the Sox dont stick with their bad move for the next 31 years. I want more hope watching Sox baseball than settling for 3rd  place and a sub .500 season. God thats depressing.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on November 30, 2011, 04:26:04 pm
I don't see that there's a ton of work to go young. We already have...

CF De Aza
2B Beckham
LF Viciedo
RF Quentin
SS Ramirez
3B Morel
C Flowers

SP Sale
SP Danks

RP Santos
RP Reed

I'd keep Danks and Quentin and trade Floyd and Pierzynski. With Pierre and Buerhle off the books that should be enough paring for one year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 01, 2011, 08:18:31 am
Those players may be young, but Beckham has gotten stinky... and Morel and Flowers are ho-hum mediocre.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on December 01, 2011, 08:52:01 am
Those players may be young, but Beckham has gotten stinky... and Morel and Flowers are ho-hum mediocre.

Flowers: rarely do catching prospects really pan out with the bat.

Morel: given his glove / defense, I'm okay with his bat in the lineup.  FWIW, Bill James has him projected out at about a .273 / .314 / .418 for next year, far better than his .245 / .287 / .366 from last year.

Beckham: if he sucks mid-May, I'm writing him off.  Hopefully being de-Walkerized will have the same effect as being de-Nardi-ized, the phenomenon where pitchers seemed to improve immediately after leaving Nardi's tutelage.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 01, 2011, 08:54:04 am
AL Central news, Broxton joins Royales, takes less money than he had with Los Doyers. Injured last year, but if fully recovered, could be significant. At least shows that KC thinks they're going to be in it next year.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111130&content_id=26065746&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 01, 2011, 03:21:14 pm
Royals could end up ahead of the Sox and I expect the Twinks to be improved ahead of the Sox. We could end up in the Central Cellar
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 01, 2011, 03:25:08 pm
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Morel: given his glove / defense, I'm okay with his bat in the lineup.  FWIW, Bill James has him projected out at about a .273 / .314 / .418 for next year, far better than his .245 / .287 / .366 from last year.

Yeah, sure.  I predict .220/.275/.340 for Morel next year.  Sorry, not a fan.  I'd love to be proved wrong, though.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 01, 2011, 03:53:18 pm
Player        Rookie yr    Age         HR            RBI            AVG          OPS
Morel         2011           24           10             41             .245         .653
Ventura     1990           22            5              54             .249         .643


Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 01, 2011, 04:04:36 pm
If I'm not mistaken... Morel showed the ability to adjust to each lvls pitching his second go around on his way up... i think he will take a step forward... plus hes got a + glove.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 01, 2011, 10:44:34 pm
You might be comparing rookie years, ISF, but notice that Ventura was only 22 in his first year.  What kind of numbers did Robin put up at age 24?

Morel is not a super young rookie.  As a position player, he'll supposedly be in his prime within two years.

And Morel is no Ventura, IMO.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2011, 08:12:30 am
Nobody is saying Morel is the same as Ventura was, but he isnt as bad as you make him out to be. I think there is room for improvement both offensively and defensively, I just believe that some are too quick to judge Morel. If you are looking for a 40 hr guy out of Morel I think you will be diasppointed, but 20 hrs is the level to expect Morel in the future. If he hits between .250 and .275 I would be satisfied. I think he has the ability to be a decent player. IMHO he had a much better 2nd half than 1st half. This was his first season in the majors. And for those that love comparasons look at Lilli's first experience in the majors compared to this past season.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 02, 2011, 09:41:38 am
Morel was not a Golden Spikes Award winner, so no, I don't expect him to be Ventura.
The point was that Ventura had similar struggles his first year. It took him a year to show power at the mlb level,
which Morel started doing at the end of the year. Morel also started taking more walks at the end of the year.
While his average for the last month was .224, he hit 8 HRs and had an OBP of .324. He is already a plus defender.

He may not be Ventura, but he won't be too much less, and certainly an improvement over what we've had.


Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on December 02, 2011, 12:56:15 pm
third base market is pretty slim, too.  Morel definitely gets another chance to see if he makes marginal improvements at least.  If September suggests he can adjust his approach and take some walks, and if the power is coming in a bit as expected, I can see him going. .250/.320/.400 or thereabouts.  Not great, but prettyclose to league average with plus-D.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 02, 2011, 03:00:53 pm
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd like to see All-Stars at most positions, not .250 hitters.

And I don't think you'll see 20 HRs out of Morel.  But yeah, I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 02, 2011, 03:15:15 pm
You arent going to get allstars at almost every position with the Sox. Not unless the payroll is jacked up to Yankee level which we know isnt happening.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 02, 2011, 04:39:32 pm
Morel at 3B is about the least of our worries.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 02, 2011, 04:42:32 pm
BA has some notes on some possible Rule V possibilities. Here is one White Sox kid exposed.

Jordan Danks, of, White Sox: The younger brother of big league lefty John Danks of the White Sox, Jordan Danks has extensive experience in the limelight and won't be awed by being a big leaguer. He starred at Texas and has played for USA Baseball's World Cup team, and he has an attractive profile as a fourth outfielder. He hits lefthanded, he runs (including 33 steals in 43 attempts the last two seasons at Triple-A) and he defends. Danks' defense is his best tool, as he fits in center field easily and has enough arm to fill in as a right fielder. His bat is the problem—he's a .258/.340/.408 career hitter, and he has 306 strikeouts in those two years at Triple-A. His defense and speed should make him a useful reserve.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 03, 2011, 03:58:43 pm
"Scratch the notion that the Sox were a good defensive team in 2011. Their 79 errors were the third-fewest among major-league teams, but too many balls that should have been caught fell in front and behind their outfielders. According to Bill James, the Sox were the third-worst team in the American League in terms of runs saved (-18)."

Bet that doesnt sit well with some of this board.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/9216183-574/white-sox-must-decide-on-offseason-approach.html
 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 04, 2011, 10:46:59 pm
Quote
You arent going to get allstars at almost every position with the Sox. Not unless the payroll is jacked up to Yankee level which we know isnt happening.

Ah, so you're saying that the Sox are a small-market team again?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 04, 2011, 10:48:25 pm
Quote
...too many balls that should have been caught fell in front and behind their outfielders.

I didn't think the Sox were good defensively last year.   My perception was that they were so-so.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2011, 07:47:10 am
"My perception was that they were so-so."

If 3rd worst in the AL is so-so then I'd like for them to be the best. At least then they'd likely be average. You save your pitching staff ERA by having a good defensive team. That gives your starters greater chances for wins
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 05, 2011, 08:53:48 am
3rd worst in the outfield... not overall. Infield defense was pretty good.

Reyes signs with Marlins, with him in the fold they plan to make a big push for Pujols... Reyes/Morrison/Pujols/Hanley/Stanton is one hell of a 1-5.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2011, 09:32:16 am
3rd worst in the outfield... not overall. Infield defense was pretty good.

Reyes signs with Marlins, with him in the fold they plan to make a big push for Pujols... Reyes/Morrison/Pujols/Hanley/Stanton is one hell of a 1-5.

With Pierre likely gone as well as Quentin, I really dont see any improvement with DeAza and Viciedo
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 05, 2011, 09:52:52 am
deaza >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(add about a bilion more)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Pierre.

Vicedo and Q will be a wash.

If rios is in right and de aza in center its a pretty big defensive upgrade.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2011, 11:13:50 am
Viciedo then is better suited for LF, if I read you right, with Rios in RF and De Aza in CF. Quentin was no great defender in RF and neither was Pierre in LF.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 05, 2011, 11:21:46 am
Right... so you have a wash in LF, bit i think Viciedo will do better then the no armed beast.

Rios in RF is a + defender, DeAza the same in CF.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on December 05, 2011, 12:08:53 pm
the no armed beast.

Does that make him a snake?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 05, 2011, 12:33:34 pm
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EC-4DZbjeo8/TpyFFVWkQiI/AAAAAAAAKoc/2DMQ57Z7opw/s1600/T-Rex%2BHates%2BPush-Up.jpg)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 05, 2011, 12:45:17 pm
60 days until pitchers & catchers report:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-spring-training-ticket-prices-cut-by-13-percent-20111205,0,2422212.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 06, 2011, 09:23:59 am
Interesting name.

According to a Minnesota source, the Sox hired Kevin Bootay as a major league scout. Bootay was the area scout who recommended Cubs pitcher Matt Garza as Minnesota's first pick in the 2005 draft.

Bootay also was worked for Texas. He played in the Texas and Philadelphia organizations.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 06, 2011, 09:30:09 am
The Sox likely have to offer Buehrle a competitive three-year contract that is back-loaded since Jake Peavy won't come off the payroll until after 2012.

General manager Ken Williams arrived Monday night in Dallas, and he along with assistant Rick Hahn will meet with teams interested in Danks, right fielder Carlos Quentin and left-handed reliever Matt Thornton.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1206-white-sox-chicago--20111206,0,1522045.story
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 06, 2011, 09:34:01 am
So Peavey will be a FA after this season? Hmmm. He should be on the trading block too. A bust as a Sox. They certainly didnt get their moneys worth out of him
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 06, 2011, 10:25:56 am
No comments about Ron Santo in, but not Minoso? Shoeless must be on vay-cay. 

I think I have a problem with that. Not Shoeless being on vay-cay on one of those "Cruising with Pride" trips, but with Santo getting in and Minoso not.

Good piece touting Minoso's HoF quals:

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/December-2011/Why-Minnie-Minoso-Should-Be-in-the-Hall-of-Fame-and-Why-Hes-Not/
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 06, 2011, 10:32:05 am
The best thing about Santo getting in?   That I no longer have to hear about that ass-bag and the HOF ever again.  It's finally over.

Even Mrs. Blacksox was wretching after watching ten minutes of local sports news.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 06, 2011, 11:04:11 am
Confirmed: #Marlins have made 10-year offer to Pujols. Source says two sides trying to work through no-trade issue.

Boy, the Marlins are trying to buy another championship aren't they? No wonder why Ozzie was so willing to bolt there. Even Terry Bevington could manage them to a WS with the team they're trying to put together.

Don't the Marlins do this every so often? Spend like crazy, win a championship, then completely tear apart that team?

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 06, 2011, 11:10:17 am
The best thing about Santo getting in?   That I no longer have to hear about that ass-bag and the HOF ever again.  It's finally over.

Even Mrs. Blacksox was wretching after watching ten minutes of local sports news.

God it was horrible. At least their crap on WGN failed for their 10:00 broadcast.

And Minnie came up 3 votes short
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on December 06, 2011, 08:16:54 pm
They're waiting until Minnie's gone.  Those people are all very cruel. 
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 07, 2011, 03:58:54 pm
Reported by Ken Rosenthal on the MLB Network:

Mark Buehrle has agreed to a 4 year / $58 million deal with the Miami Marlins.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 07, 2011, 04:08:14 pm
Marlins sure are in a hurry to put the band back together. Maybe they'll trade for Rios...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 07, 2011, 04:26:42 pm
Street to the padres... cant wait to see what player they got... to compare our sergio haul to.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 07, 2011, 04:40:10 pm
F*cking Kendry...

Thanks a lot, dick.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on December 07, 2011, 04:40:48 pm
Reported by Ken Rosenthal on the MLB Network:

Mark Buehrle has agreed to a 4 year / $58 million deal with the Miami Marlins.

Hmmmm... I might have to pimp out my allegiance.  Ozzie and Co. are just a 2-hr shot across Alligator Alley for me.

Go Fish!

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 07, 2011, 04:46:57 pm
It worked for me boatdrink. When I was in Seattle, my thinking was "might as well be for these guys, they're right here", local coverage, etc. . . .and the Mariners REALLY sucked when I first got there.  Only difference is that the whole innerwebs machine makes following a team "remotely" much easier now.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on December 07, 2011, 04:56:37 pm
That's true about the internets, but I think lil' Boat will dig going to the new ballpark.  Cripes, they'll have two aquariums with live fish in them serving as part of the backstop.

And the Marlins Mermaids for dad to look at...

(http://miami.marlins.mlb.com/mia/images/fan_forum/y2011/mermaids/2011-mermaids.jpg)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 07, 2011, 05:04:54 pm
Reported by Ken Rosenthal on the MLB Network:

Mark Buehrle has agreed to a 4 year / $58 million deal with the Miami Marlins.

Hmmmm... I might have to pimp out my allegiance.  Ozzie and Co. are just a 2-hr shot across Alligator Alley for me.

Go Fish!




Make sure to take Joe Cowley with you. 

Cowley tweeted this photo of himself taken by Ozzie Jr. at today's manager luncheon at the MLB meetings:

(http://api.plixi.com/api/tpapi.svc/imagefromurl?size=medium&url=http%3A%2F%2Flockerz.com%2Fs%2F162858580)
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on December 07, 2011, 05:24:49 pm
Where are all the "It's so good that Ozzie is gone" folks now?  Stuck with Kenny.  Blecko
   
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 07, 2011, 06:35:49 pm
And the Marlins Mermaids for dad to look at...


Now ready...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 07, 2011, 06:37:21 pm
Right here. I'll never forgive him for some of the idiocy he pulled this year.
We could have given the Tigers a run if not for some of his selfish nonsense.

Dunn for Lillibridge against a LHP in the 9th inning...Brilliant!

For the record, our current rotation includes...

Danks
Floyd
Sale
Peavy
Axelrod/Stewart/Molina

5th starter is a big ?, but your staff isn't too bad when you have a Cy Young winner as your 4th starter.


Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 07, 2011, 06:38:10 pm
Make sure to take Joe Cowley with you.

Normally I have no use for crap-striirring columnists, but for some reason I like Cowley.   Maybe it is because he likes to make Kenny look bad.

Or maybe its because he's not such a blatent windsock like Mariotti.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 07, 2011, 06:46:30 pm
I completely forgot Humber.

So we have 5, unless Humber reverts to form next spring.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 07, 2011, 06:50:49 pm
Kenny just look bad? He is bad. He is the one who should have been shown the door. I said it before and I will continue to say it. I would have rather had Ozzie and Hahn than Batman and Robin. Will we even sniff .500 this year?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 07, 2011, 06:52:47 pm
So from the numbers I would have to conclude Mark gave Ozzie the hometown discount, right?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 07, 2011, 07:00:41 pm
And just looking at the residue after Buehrle left one would have to conclude that Jake Peavey would appear to be the ace of the staff. And what has he given the Sox lately? And unless my memory is bad Peavey made more money than Buehrle does. All Buehrle does is win.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on December 07, 2011, 07:24:09 pm
Hardest thing will now be I willhave to cheer against MB as he has abandoned my team (not like we tried to sign him)

At least the WS do not play the Marlins this year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 07, 2011, 07:37:00 pm
MB didnt abandon us... we pretty much showed him the door.

Sale/peavy wont make it thru the season without atleast 3 dl trips between them.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on December 07, 2011, 07:54:19 pm
So when KW signed Robin as manager do you think he explained thoroughly that the plan was to dump anyone that was good, stink for a few years while we rebuild and then likely fire the manager as a scape goat when the faithful get agitated.

Wonder what attendance will be this year?  Maybe 1.5 million?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 07, 2011, 08:07:46 pm
Where are all the "It's so good that Ozzie is gone" folks now?

Oh please. It is good that Ozzie's gone. Do you think this team would be any better if he were still here? The Marlins have a new stadium and are trying desperately to buy fans' interest so they are opening up their checkbooks and trying to buy a championship. That's fine but if they win it's not because Ozzie is some great manager.

How can people still be b****** and moaning about Kenny Williams when 2 of the 3 bad contracts he gave out (Peavy, Dunn and Rios) were actually GOOD moves by him. They didn't work out because the players didn't perform. But those 2 guys are players that any other GM would like to have if they had the need and the money. Rios may have been questionable but don't give me this bullsh*t that KW is so terrible because of the contracts handed out. The fact is, if Dunn, Peavy and even Beckham play to their capabilities, the Sox run away with the division last year and what we're experiencing today probably isn't happening.

Blame the damn players who had excellent track records but then all of a sudden forgot how to play.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 07, 2011, 08:09:27 pm
If anyone wants to root for the Marlins because Ozzie is there, go right ahead. White Sox fans will continue to stick by the White Sox. I root for the name on the front of the jersey, not the back.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 07, 2011, 08:22:33 pm
White Sox fans will continue to stick by the White Sox.

You still think the faithful will come out to suport a sub .500 team? Boy I sure dont. Ozzie or no Ozzie. They dont come out to see Ozzie or Kenny play. Attendance is driven by the quality on the field and favorite players. Oh thats right they will come out to see Dunn implode again
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 07, 2011, 08:29:47 pm
The Sox don't draw well even when they're in first place in September and have been in first place since opening day. So it's more of the casual fans that will definitely stop coming out to support a sub .500 team but that's nothing new.

But yes, I think true White Sox fans will continue to support them as we've done in the past during some many awful years.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 07, 2011, 08:37:54 pm
So when KW signed Robin as manager do you think he explained thoroughly that the plan was to dump anyone that was good, stink for a few years while we rebuild and then likely fire the manager as a scape goat when the faithful get agitated.

Wonder what attendance will be this year?  Maybe 1.5 million?

After Kenny dumps Danks, Quentin, Pierzynski and Thornton before this season starts, this is what a typical US Cellular crowd will look like in late June when the Sox are 15 games under .500:

(http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Alejandro+De+Aza+Toronto+Blue+Jays+v+Chicago+soGI8TeavBKl.jpg)


Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 07, 2011, 10:19:37 pm
I'm ready for rebuilding, team and front office, and owner. It's time.

But thanks for the memories.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 07, 2011, 10:42:55 pm
After Kenny dumps Danks, Quentin, Pierzynski and Thornton before this season starts, this is what a typical US Cellular crowd will look like in late June when the Sox are 15 games under .500
 
Really? Because that would be sweet, especially if tix are cheap. I dont want to be near that fat dude in the grey though. Jesus.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on December 08, 2011, 01:40:20 am
You know what's worse than those contracts Kenny stuck the Sox with?  the one that netted the Marlins their new shortstop.


Good luck paying Jose Reyes $22mm in 2016! 2017!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 08, 2011, 08:10:39 am
Quote
Will we even sniff .500 this year?

No.  We'll be lucky not to finish in last place.  You're going to see a team reminiscent of 1999 or 2007.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 08, 2011, 08:25:05 am
SoxRule, I agree that some of Kenny's moves shouldn't have turned out so bad.  Dunn is a good example of that.  His collapse was totally unforeseen.  He was a consistent run producer before 2011.  Peavy, you can argue either way, since the Sox knew he was recovering from an injury.  You never can tell how those rehab things will work out.  It seems that he will never be the same pitcher that he was when he won the Cy Young award.

Before Rios came to the Sox, he had been accused throughout his career of being an underachiever.  He had been tagged "slacker," etc., by Toronto press and fans.  So I think Kenny knew what he might be getting there.

There is no excuse for the bonehead moves, like the Teahen fiasco.

At this point in time, Kenny is not a good GM, pure and simple.  He may have made some decent moves in the past, but the fact is that with the talent we had access to, the Sox should have won another World Series hot on the heels of '05, a la what Boston did in '07 to augment '04.    But no.  Sox fans may not see another World Series for at least five or six years now, at the minimum.

And... Ozzie is a GOOD manager.  His players enjoy playing for him.  Yes, he's made some bad moves.  All managers have.  But he is going to win another World Series, probably in Miami and maybe even next season.  It's not just about "buying a championship."  A team needs both the resources AND a good manager to win.  It's unfortunate that the conflict between Ozzie and Kenny probably cost the Sox some games last year.  But you know, we didn't have the horses anyway.

Yeah, I'm definitely in the "stuck with Kenny, miss Ozzie" camp.

I'd like a new GM and maybe even a new owner.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on December 08, 2011, 08:39:01 am
A lot of you are forgetting that Peavy was on track to recover as scheduled until he was hit in the arm with a liner.  That was totally unforeseen... 2009, gone.

2010 - was doing okay until the lat.  A sudden injury unrelated to his other ailments.  Unforeseen once again.

2011 - recovering from an unprecedented surgery.  I give him a pass for the season.

2012 - he should be 100% by now.  If he doesn't pan out this year, then the deal's a dud.

I'd do that trade over again in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 08, 2011, 09:10:24 am
Bingo.

I don't have a problem with any of them myself. Peavy is a young former Cy Young winner. Dunn had an appendectomy last year. I think he's in the same boat as Peavy.
Rios we gave up 0 players and draft picks for. All we risked there is money. He performed well in 2010. He had some streaks last year. He is not worth the contract, but he
isn't worthless either.

Everyone liked Buehrle, but it should be noted he was the 2nd highest paid pitcher on the staff and the oldest pitcher on the staff. Chris Sale has the potential to eclipse
Buehrle's numbers and Peavy might well be back to form this year. Danks can only be better. I'm not convinced losing Buehrle means we can't win.

Same with Quentin (Viciedo) and Pierzynski (Flowers). What no one seems to want to consider is that we have replacements at those positions who are likely to be
as good or better than who they are replacing.

Names don't win championships. If they did, we would have been a 4th place team in '05.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 08, 2011, 09:11:58 am
"all we risked there is money"

See how easy it is to spend other peoples money... you should bring the same conservative attitude towards the wsox budget... then you'll see rios as the bridge to nowhere that he is.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 08, 2011, 09:13:25 am
I'll remember that the next time I hear we should drop 7-8 million on a kid fresh out of high school 'cause he's got skillz...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 08, 2011, 09:31:42 am
Poo-holes gets 10/250 from Anaheim. Full no-trade clause.

Terry Doyle taken by the Twins with the 2nd pick of the Rule 5 draft.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 08, 2011, 09:34:50 am
Yes, he's made some bad moves.  All managers have.

Couldn't you say the same thing about KW, then? No GM is perfect and every GM saddles their team with bad contracts at times, gives up players they regret later, etc. Theo Epstein handed out some ugly contracts the last couple years with the Red Sox but he's still revered and considered one of the best GM's of the game.

It's unfortunate that the conflict between Ozzie and Kenny probably cost the Sox some games last year.  But you know, we didn't have the horses anyway.

Hmm, I disagree. I believe we did have the horses. They just failed to perform even up to half of their expectations. And that, I also believe, is on our coaching staff....NOT Ken Williams. I'm not saying KW is perfect, I never have. I just think it's unfair to have all the anger directed at him when Ozzie sabotaged our season last year.

I'm still glad that out of the two of them that Ozzie's the one that's gone.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 08, 2011, 09:34:55 am
 "all we risked there is money"See how easy it is to spend other peoples money... you should bring the same conservative attitude towards the wsox budget... then you'll see rios as the bridge to nowhere that he is.


MODS!
   
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 08, 2011, 09:42:52 am
that would be sweet, especially if tix are cheap.

That would be  sweet. Maybe we can get a free UD ticket for super-sizing at Wendy's like the good old days.





Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 08, 2011, 09:43:29 am
On another note, looks like Pujols is going to sign with the Angels: 10 years for between $250 and $260 million. Wow. Cardinal fans have to be crying right now but really, they're lucky not to be saddled with THAT contract for 10 years. Pujols is a superstar, no doubt, but the Cards would be handcuffed if they gave out that kind of deal.

Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 08, 2011, 09:44:44 am
Quote
Maybe we can get a free UD ticket for super-sizing at Wendy's like the good old days.

I see what you're trying to do there, by the way.  Insidious.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 08, 2011, 09:46:48 am
I'll remember that the next time I hear we should drop 7-8 million on a kid fresh out of high school 'cause he's got skillz...

You could drop 7/8 million on a kid in the draft for 10 years before you got to the waste of money that rios is... and the chances of one of those players working out better then rios is pretty high.. since we know rios already sucks balls.

He can give BJ Upton a run for laziest baseball player alive.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 08, 2011, 09:46:53 am
SoxRule,

While I mostly agree with you about rooting for the laundry and not the name on the back, I can;t help myself in this case.  Buehrle to me is akin to how Frank T is to Shoeless.    My favorite Sox player ever.   

I don't think I can ever forgive Kenny for handcuffing payroll and forcing his exit.   Peavy -- probably a good move.  Rios - bad, stupid, unforgivable.  I'll disagree that Dunn was a good move -- too short sighted.   The dollars might've worked last year, but they don't for 2012-2014.    Stupid to the third power.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 08, 2011, 09:47:57 am
"all we risked there is money"See how easy it is to spend other peoples money... you should bring the same conservative attitude towards the wsox budget... then you'll see rios as the bridge to nowhere that he is.


MODS!
   


Tattletail! or is it tattle tale?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 08, 2011, 09:49:50 am
Quote
On another note, looks like Pujols is going to sign with the Angels: 10 years for between $250 and $260 million. Wow. Cardinal fans have to be crying right now but really, they're lucky not to be saddled with THAT contract for 10 years. Pujols is a superstar, no doubt, but the Cards would be handcuffed if they gave out that kind of deal.

Yep, and now our pitchers get to face Pujols next year.

He's not just a superstar, he's a game-changer.  He's the best power hitter in baseball, and probably will be for awhile.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 08, 2011, 09:58:09 am
He'll hit .220 with 15 HRs next year.

Let's see how the Angels like it...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 08, 2011, 11:03:58 am
Lefty C.J. Wilson will join Albert Pujols in Los Angeles, as the Angels continue a surprising free agent spending spree.  The Halos completed a deal with Wilson today, learned Joel Sherman of the New York Post. 
It's a five-year, $77.5MM contract, according to ESPN's Karl Ravech, bringing the Angels' tally to at least $327.5MM on the last day of the 2011 Winter Meetings.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 08, 2011, 11:17:30 am
I'm so glad that the White Sox are the anti-Angels.

The Angels will finish 100-62 next season and the Sox will finish 62-100.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 08, 2011, 11:24:17 am
Not that I wouldn't want to be in their position right now, but I bet the Angels don't even make it to the World Series next year.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on December 08, 2011, 11:39:11 am
Buehrle to me is akin to how Frank T is to Shoeless.

Just great.  Now we can expect numerous posts alluding to BS and MB in various compromising acts.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 08, 2011, 11:55:14 am
Wonder how a team of 5 mbs for starting pitching would do?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on December 08, 2011, 12:12:04 pm
Even if payroll was not tied up, signing Buerhle to that kind of deal would not necessarily be a great thing for this team anyway.  I have doubts about how well he'll pitch without a 6-man rotation again.   I would rather give that money to Danks.  In fact, if they trade Quentin and Thornton, that puts 2012 salary at $95mm, including about $8mm for Danks.  They could offer him 4/$50 right now and still be under $100mm, especially if they get creative with backended deal, a la Konerko and AJ contracts.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 08, 2011, 12:16:22 pm
 Wonder how a team of 5 mbs for starting pitching would do?


Mini or Regular-sized?
   
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 08, 2011, 01:37:30 pm
Now we can expect numerous posts alluding to BS and MB in various compromising acts.

It's not like that -- we're just friends.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: boatdrink on December 08, 2011, 01:43:23 pm
What happens in the hunting cabin, stays in the hunting cabin...
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 08, 2011, 04:11:56 pm

Terry Doyle taken by the Twins with the 2nd pick of the Rule 5 draft.


Someone from the White Sox organization should be fired for this. 

Not necessarily for losing Doyle in the Rule 5 draft but for using one of their limited Arizona Fall League roster spots on a player they had no intention or desire to add to their 40-man roster no matter how well Doyle performed in the AFL. 

What a waste of time and White Sox money!
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 08, 2011, 04:29:08 pm
KW is not held responsible for shitty management of the budget... hes just unlucky.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 08, 2011, 05:50:56 pm
I agree with Andy.
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 08, 2011, 05:58:33 pm
Aaron Poreda taken by Pirates from the Padres, has he thrown a strike since we traded him for Peavy?
Title: Re: The Off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 08, 2011, 09:32:15 pm
With our depleted bullpen why didn't we take a chance on this guy who the Yankees took? Worse that could happen was lose $50,000.

From the Nats website

Brad Meyers was Washington's Minor League Pitcher of the Year in 2009 but was never given a chance to pitch in the big leagues.
 
"We felt we had enough depth if we lose a starting pitcher or two," Rizzo said. "We actually anticipated losing more than one starter in the Major League phase of the Rule 5 Draft. It goes with the territory. When you build a Minor League system -- and the farm system is getting better -- it often happens that you lose a player, because you just can't protect everybody."
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 11, 2011, 12:13:11 am
MVP*

Quote

Braun tests positive for banned substance

Major League Baseball hasn't finished taking bows for expanding its testing program for performance enhancing drugs to include human growth hormone, yet soon may be in court to prove that its steroid testing is accurate.

There will be no way for MLB to win, however, as if its findings are affirmed through an upcoming challenge it will have to suspend the Brewers' Ryan Braun, who was just crowned the National League's Most Valuable Player.

Braun, signed to contracts worth $141.5 million through the 2020 season in part because of his untarnished image and commitment to his franchise, tested positive for an elevated testosterone level during the playoffs in October. ESPN reported the positive test Saturday night and MLB has not been confirmed it.

rest of story:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-1211-rogers-braun-suspension--20111211,0,4755421.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-1211-rogers-braun-suspension--20111211,0,4755421.story)






Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 12, 2011, 07:54:53 pm
The URL is a tad misleading; the ol' boy needs to earn his supper.

But, "heh":

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cbsports-rowand-reunites-with-ozzie-in-miami-20111212,0,4145382.story


Guessing here that Joe Crede will be joining them as a spring training infield coach...
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 13, 2011, 03:53:54 pm
Rich Hill was non-tendered by Boston. He could make a cheap replacement for Sale in the bullpen.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 14, 2011, 09:57:36 pm
Quote
Rich Hill was non-tendered by Boston. He could make a cheap replacement for Sale in the bullpen.

Let's face it, all the moves that the Sox will make this off-season will be cheap.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 15, 2011, 12:31:52 am
Breakdown of Mark Buehrle's contract with the Marlins:

4 years/$58M (2012-15)
signed by Miami as a free agent 12/8/11
$4M signing bonus (deferred without interest)
2012: $6M, 2013: $11M, 2014: $18M, 2015: $19M

--------------

the contract is heavily back-loaded and the signing bonus is deferred without interest.  No wonder why the Marlins refused to give him a no-trade clause.   If Buehrle stays healthy and performs well, the Marlins can trade him after two years where they should come out on top.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on December 15, 2011, 07:04:25 am
I just have this feeling that the Marlins are going to go all 1997 all over again....
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 15, 2011, 08:11:53 am
I just have this feeling that the Marlins are going to go all 1997 all over again....

I agree JC. That's why they're refusing to give out no-trade clauses.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 15, 2011, 09:40:57 am
No wonder the Sox didnt match that offer. Thats a terrible contract. Buehrle likely has but two years left anyways
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 15, 2011, 10:17:59 am
I dont think they are going to go 1997 all over again. they are somewhat forced to back load contracts... in the hopes they keep selling out 2 years down the road after moving into new stadium... money is tight now but they expect revenues to keep going up and be able to continue raising payroll.

Also, back loading that much is silly of you want to try and trade him... since the back loading makes the contract almost prohibitive to anyone other then the marlins... just think of those last 2 years salaries as having 4-5 million of the first 2 years deferred to them w/o interest. I'll be rooting for MB.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: 4nek8 on December 15, 2011, 11:44:24 am
I dont want to be near that fat dude in the grey though. Jesus.

As if you actually could.  That guy had to pony up for three seats just to watch the game.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: 4nek8 on December 15, 2011, 11:47:11 am
Blackie nailed it in #468.  Another guy who should have been a lifetime Sox gets turned away, and KW's ridiculous deals are a big factor in why he's gone.  No question that Ozzie was legitimately fired for being an ass of a manager last year, but Kenny's worn out his welcome as well.  Thanks for '05, keep in touch.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 16, 2011, 07:51:40 am
While reading another useless Phil Rogers column at the Trib site this morning, at the very end of the column a 'recommendation' in the 'From Around the Web'  links caught my eye. The link was titled Baseball Catchers Use Hazardous Mitts.

Clicking on it and reading the story reminded me that I've read this article before a long, long time ago.  It was a SIX YEAR OLD medical study on catcher gloves damaging players glove hands.

The Trib can't find something more current than an article published in July of 2005 to recommend to their readers?

I guess I shouldn't complain too much since their site is still free to read.  At least for a few more months or so.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/surgery/orthopedics/1311?xid=ob_&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ortho (http://www.medpagetoday.com/surgery/orthopedics/1311?xid=ob_&utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ortho)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 16, 2011, 04:03:50 pm
Well, this outcome sure was worth the tens of millions spent to prosecute this case: </sarcasm>

Quote

Barry Bonds sentenced to two years probation, 30 days home confinement

Home run king Barry Bonds was sentenced Friday to two years probation and 30 days home confinement for obstructing justice during his December 2003 testimony before a federal grand jury probing the Balco steroids scandal.

But U.S. District Judge Susan Illston immediately stayed her sentence while Bonds appeals his conviction. Prosecutors objected to the stay.

During a hearing that lasted less than an hour in San Francisco, Illston imposed the sentence on the 47-year-old Bonds, who was convicted in April by a jury that was torn over allegations he repeatedly lied about his own steroid use under oath, deadlocking on three other perjury counts against him. The sentenced also includes 250 hours of community service.


more at:  http://www.mercurynews.com/barrybonds/ci_19563453 (http://www.mercurynews.com/barrybonds/ci_19563453)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 16, 2011, 04:17:15 pm
Nice Hot Stove item there. Is that an insinuation that Bonds is on the trading block now?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 16, 2011, 04:27:33 pm
Maybe Kenny should defrost that lobster.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 16, 2011, 04:29:18 pm
Nice Hot Stove item there. Is that an insinuation that Bonds is on the trading block now?

No, it's an 'Around Baseball' item.  Do we really need to explain to you that the backslash in the thread title combines TWO topics here?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 16, 2011, 04:30:30 pm
former Twinkie Michael Cuddyer to the Colorado Rockies (3 years, $31MM):

http://twitter.com/#/JonHeymanCBS/status/147703223954837506
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 16, 2011, 04:31:16 pm
Apparently, the Toronto Blue Jays were the highest bidders for Yu Darvish.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/story/2011/12/16/sp-mlb-darvish-bid-bluejays.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on December 16, 2011, 06:45:58 pm
If Bonds maintained for years that he wasn't juicing, could some enterprising lawyer put together a class action suit against him (or the Giants) alleging they misrepresented their product?

Much as I dislike that sort of thing would love to seem him (and the team that had to suspect what he was doing) lose his millions.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 16, 2011, 07:37:35 pm
Apparently, the Toronto Blue Jays were the highest bidders for Yu Darvish.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/story/2011/12/16/sp-mlb-darvish-bid-bluejays.html

Makes sense... thats about 30 million less then what they saved on KW's dumbass move on claiming Alex Rios.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 17, 2011, 06:43:40 am
No, it's an 'Around Baseball' item.  Do we really need to explain to you that the backslash in the thread title combines TWO topics here?

I guess it is, but it isnt, not anymore. Is he still in baseball? But then again it is about baseball.

I am just sick and tired of the Bonds soap opera. Maybe it would have been more appropriate in the Cinema Review thread, a thread I dont pay attention to.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 17, 2011, 01:37:53 pm
Phillies, Jimmy Rollins reach deal

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7362574/2011-mlb-free-agency-jimmy-rollins-philadelphia-phillies-agree-three-year-deal-source-says (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7362574/2011-mlb-free-agency-jimmy-rollins-philadelphia-phillies-agree-three-year-deal-source-says)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 17, 2011, 01:41:23 pm
Padres trade Mat Latos to Reds for 4 players

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7362616/san-diego-padres-trade-mat-latos-cincinnati-reds-edinson-volquez-yonder-alonso-two-prospects (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7362616/san-diego-padres-trade-mat-latos-cincinnati-reds-edinson-volquez-yonder-alonso-two-prospects)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 18, 2011, 10:32:16 am
Anyone care to summarize the long and short of this article.

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story?id=7355751&_slug_=chicago-white-sox-need-rebuild-future-be-more-difficult-wait-mlb&addata=2009_insdr_mod_mlb_xxx_xxx?addata=2009_insdr_mod_mlb_xxx_xxx&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fmlb%2fstory%3fid%3d7355751%26_slug_%3dchicago-white-sox-need-rebuild-future-be-more-difficult-wait-mlb%26addata%3d2009_insdr_mod_mlb_xxx_xxx%3faddata%3d2009_insdr_mod_mlb_xxx_xxx

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 18, 2011, 03:29:54 pm
Not sure who has an Insider package, I never have.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 18, 2011, 09:29:56 pm
Say what you will about some of Ozzie Guillen's antics, but there is no question that his eight-season run as manager of the Chicago White Sox was an unmitigated success. The South Siders posted a .516 winning percentage under Guillen -- eighth-best in baseball in that span -- and won their first World Series title since 1917.

Guillen has left to lead the new-look Miami Marlins, and it appears his timing is impeccable. The Sox went 79-83 last year, 16 games behind the first-place Detroit Tigers, and the talent gap between those two clubs is evident. With the Kansas City Royals and (to a lesser extent) Cleveland Indians doing a good job of hoarding promising youngsters, Chicago's future appears grim, so grim that GM Kenny Williams has even brought up the R-word.
"It's the start of rebuilding now," Williams said. "Is it the start of a falling domino-type rebuilding? No. Absolutely not."
It's possible Williams was being coy, and for the sake of Chicago fans, let's hope so. Because if there is any team that is in need of a "domino-type rebuilding," it's the White Sox.
While it's possible for the White Sox to compete in 2012, it seems unlikely. Realistically, Alexei Ramirez and Paul Konerko are their only position players who project to be above-average relative to their position, and their roster is loaded with players on the wrong side of 30, including Konerko, Adam Dunn, A.J. Pierzynski, Jake Peavy and Alex Rios. In other words, they're all more likely to get worse rather than better.
 With the rules of the new collective bargaining agreement, it behooves Williams to start moving a number of his key players as soon as possible.

Under the new CBA, a team can get free-agent compensation only if the player is with the club for the entire year. It used to be that you could trade prospects for an impending free agent in July and knew that even if he left you could get draft pick compensation for him that winter. In July 2010, the Texas Rangers traded Justin Smoak, Blake Beavan, Josh Lueke and Matthew Lawson to the Seattle Mariners for Cliff Lee and Mark Lowe. That was a lot of young talent, but at least Texas got two compensatory picks to, well, compensate when Lee bolted the following winter. In essence, the old CBA protected teams who dealt away prospects at the deadline by offering them the chance to add more talent the following June.
 With the new rules, it's more valuable to trade for an impending free agent before the season starts, because you have a chance to get compensation for him. It also means that teams on the playoff bubble in July will be less inclined to trade away prospects for impending free agents since they don't have the protection of compensation picks. That has serious practical implications for the White Sox because two of their top players, John Danks and Carlos Quentin, will be free agents after the 2012 season.
You could argue that the Sox should hang on to Danks and Quentin to try and make a run with them this year and get compensation if they bolt. The problem with that thinking is that not only is Chicago unlikely to compete, but under the new CBA, you can get compensation only if the player rejects a qualifying offer of a one-year deal equal to the value of the top 125 salaries in baseball, which is roughly $14 million. In other words, the Sox would be taking the chance that both Danks and Quentin would turn down a one-year, $14 million deal in order to get extra draft picks. Danks might be worth it in a vacuum -- Quentin not so much -- but neither is worth it when you consider the fact that the White Sox will be even worse in 2013. How do we know this? Their farm system stinks.

ESPN Insider's Kevin Goldstein, one of our resident prospect experts, said he had a hard time remembering a farm system as bad as the current White Sox's. That's another way of saying that they are in desperate need of some young talent. Williams began the process of adding prospects by trading closer Sergio Santos to the Toronto Blue Jays for Nestor Molina. Since the rules are now such that he has more incentive to trade Danks and Quentin before the season begins, he should do just that.
Danks could probably net a top prospect from the New York Yankees -- such as Manny Banuelos or Dellin Betances -- and it's fair to say the Yankees (or any other team) would be more inclined to give up one of those players if they knew they could get free agent compensation for Danks should he leave as a free agent next winter.
 The same can be said for Quentin, who could be a low-cost alternative for teams who'd rather give up a prospect than pay $25 million-plus for Michael Cuddyer. Quentin will never repeat his ridiculous 2008 season, but he did post an .838 OPS with 24 homers last season. He'd be a useful piece for a contender that needs some pop in an outfield corner, such as the Colorado Rockies, Indians or Atlanta Braves. (Frankly, if they're going to move Danks and Quentin, it's probably worth shopping any other veteran with trade value, such as Gavin Floyd, Jesse Crain and even Konerko. Insider's resident GM Jim Bowden has some suggestions.)
The White Sox are at a crossroads, and the new CBA creates a scenario that encourages them to rebuild immediately. If they don't move Danks and Quentin by Opening Day, they'll be sorry.
Matt Meyers is a general editor for ESPN The Magazine and ESPN Insider, where he has coordinated the baseball coverage since 2008. Previously, he worked at Baseball America magazine and CBS College Sports. You can find his ESPN archives here and follow him on
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 19, 2011, 08:49:08 am
Wow, things are so bad so the White Sox may as well forfeit the next few seasons. Hell, MLB should probably just contract them. They don't have that many fans anyway.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 19, 2011, 08:59:52 am
Bud Selig should step in and start vetoing KW's decisions...
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 19, 2011, 02:14:58 pm
Heh, we could be like Charlie O Finley's A's and Bud would be Bowie Kuhn.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 19, 2011, 03:49:00 pm
Top Christmas Gift ideas for KW:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/988157-chicago-white-sox-the-top-5-gift-ideas-for-kenny-williams
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on December 19, 2011, 03:51:23 pm
I hate those "slideshow" style lists.  Seriously - 5 items.  List them.  Move on.  Don't make me f'ing click on a link 5 times to pull up 5 lame pictures that are loosely based on that theme.

note - I haven't looked at the actual list - just saw the "begin slideshow" button and clicked away....
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 19, 2011, 06:11:11 pm
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-12/292251980-19143506.jpg)

Former Twins OF Kubel to sign with Diamondbacks

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-former-twins-of-kubel-to-sign-with-diamondbacks-20111219,0,6365615.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-former-twins-of-kubel-to-sign-with-diamondbacks-20111219,0,6365615.story)

-------

The two major  Minneapolis/St. Paul newspapers' columns on the Twinkies losing Kubel:


http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_19577931 (http://www.twincities.com/twins/ci_19577931)


http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/135856433.html (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/blogs/135856433.html)







Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 19, 2011, 07:59:14 pm
I hate those "slideshow" style lists.  Seriously - 5 items.  List them.  Move on.  Don't make me f'ing click on a link 5 times to pull up 5 lame pictures that are loosely based on that theme.

note - I haven't looked at the actual list - just saw the "begin slideshow" button and clicked away....


I'm with ya.  Cheap, lazy way to get pageviews I guess.   No thanks.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 20, 2011, 07:18:15 am
An exception might be a Juan Pierre photo retrospective.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 20, 2011, 08:28:00 am
Hah, when I first read Jeter's post, I thought he said Juan Pizarro, I scratched my head thinking why Juan, but then I reread it.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 20, 2011, 08:59:52 am
Rangers won the Yu Darvish bid. Great, and for the first time in years the Sox open the seaon with Texas. Here come the first 3 losses of the season (3 of 100, most likely).
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 20, 2011, 09:03:55 am
100 losses? I hope not, but I wouldnt be shocked either. If that WERE to happen I would hope the fans and the media would be calling for KW's job. He really needs to be bye bye.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on December 20, 2011, 11:12:31 am
Juan Pizarro
 
At least you f'ing spelled it right.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 20, 2011, 11:58:31 am
I expect the Sox to lose at least 90 next season.  It's going to be painful, make no mistake.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 20, 2011, 12:17:43 pm
I expect the Sox to lose at least 90 next season.  It's going to be painful, make no mistake.

See #522 above
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 20, 2011, 12:18:04 pm
I was being somewhat facetious in my prediction of 100 losses. It's too early to tell until we see what the roster is going to be like heading into the year. If Danks, Floyd, Quentin and Thornton are all traded then yes, 100 losses may be possible (but then at least we should get a high draft pick to help build up the farm).

If only 1 or 2 of those guys are traded and Dunn, Peavy, Beckham and Rios play a little better than last year, which isn't asking too much and is actually very probable, next year may not be quite so painful to watch.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 20, 2011, 02:09:08 pm
I subsribe to the NJ theory on baseball... either be fun to watch and good... or fun to watch because you really suck... i think next season will be fun... but not for the reasons we're sox fans.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 20, 2011, 02:17:10 pm
I never find bad baseball fun to watch...ever.

If the Sox are really as bad as some of you are predicting then I will have a lot of free time next summer. Hmm, so win-win I guess.   ;D
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on December 20, 2011, 11:11:53 pm
At least we're not the Cubs............
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on December 21, 2011, 08:19:13 am
We'll be worse than the Cubs next year, I think.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 21, 2011, 09:12:48 am
So do I. And not just a game or two either.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 21, 2011, 09:59:21 am
We'll be worse than the Cubs next year, I think.

Why do you think that? Again, it's too early to make any of these predictions because we don't know what either team is going to look like until the offseason is over but as our teams stand right now, I'd take ours over theirs anyday. The Cubs are more of a hot mess than the Sox are.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 21, 2011, 10:04:30 am
No actually they arnt... they have some decent farm players... and with the loss of MB and santos... and maybe even danks.. our pitching isnt looking that hot.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 21, 2011, 10:18:13 am
They have no pitching, no hitting, defense is not very good and their farm is not very good at all. Our big club at least has some potential -- theirs, not so much.

Yes, actually they are worse off than we are.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 21, 2011, 10:20:12 am
I will respectfully disagree esp with the farm teams...

They also dont have as many albatross contracts... and play in a weaker division.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 21, 2011, 10:23:34 am
A little too much is made of the farm systems, imo. You don't want your farm system to be horrendous, of course, but if it's not at least even pretty good (and the Cubs' isn't), then it's pretty neglible. But I agree to respectfully disagree.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 21, 2011, 06:01:14 pm
You need good prospects to enable trading for special players when you find one that fits. Last year, we could have gotten Adrian Gonzalez from Padres over the BoSox but we came up short in prospects. If we get AGon or signed Victor Martinez, both whom we tried to get prior to signing Dunn, well... what a different year we would have had. I read that we came in a very, very close 2nd on packages to get AGon, if we had spent some extra money one year, just a million or two, might have made the difference.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on December 22, 2011, 08:57:26 am
Danks re-ups for 5 yrs/65 million dollars:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-1222-danks-white-sox-chicago--20111222,0,2242728.story
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2011, 09:11:55 am
Ooooh! Sure didnt expect that. I guess that takes him off the trade list, then again, maybe not necessarily. I guess we shall see
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 22, 2011, 09:13:53 am
Used to be a team could not sign a player to multi-year contract and then trade him within the first year or two of the contract. Not sure that holds anymore, but I am guessing it was not done in order to make him more tradable.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 22, 2011, 09:22:35 am
Well Danks's numbers are more finite now, which eliminates what he will require in his current extension and what an arbitrator might say he's worth, so in that respect he becomes a known commodity instead of an unknown. Whether he manages to perform to the level of the new contract we dont know yet.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 23, 2011, 06:45:09 am
Quote

(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-12/279633900-22163618.gif)

A's deal Gio Gonzalez to Nationals

OAKLAND, Calif. — All-Star pitcher Gio Gonzalez said Thursday the Washington Nationals have agreed to acquire him in a trade from the Oakland Athletics, and the deal is nearly finished.

“It's 99 percent done,” Gonzalez said in a phone interview. “It's pending a physical and I'm just waiting to hear from my agent.”

more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-as-trade-gio-gonzalez-to-nationals-20111222,0,308088.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-as-trade-gio-gonzalez-to-nationals-20111222,0,308088.story)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 23, 2011, 06:48:48 am


Carlos Beltran agrees to 2-year deal with Cardinals

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111222&content_id=26228946&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111222&content_id=26228946&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 23, 2011, 06:55:00 am


Two former Cubs have new homes:

Twinkies sign Jason Marquis to one-year $3M deal

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111221&content_id=26224184&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111221&content_id=26224184&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

---------------------------------

Mark DeRosa gets one-year deal with Nationals

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111221&content_id=26224262&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111221&content_id=26224262&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 23, 2011, 07:46:43 am
I just do not understand Billy Beane, why trade all those good young pitchers he had. He keeps turning a prospect into 3 or 4 others, but eventually you have to keel em together. He is not impressing me.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on December 23, 2011, 09:28:54 am
Word is that Beane is building toward having a winning season when the club moves into new digs in San Jose.  (which is not confirmed, but seems more likely at this point)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 23, 2011, 10:15:10 am
Word is that Beane is building toward having a winning season when the club moves into new digs in San Jose.  (which is not confirmed, but seems more likely at this point)

What new digs in San Jose?  That deal fell through BEFORE the economic problems for governments. 

Other areas around Oakland are still being bandied around as possible locations for a new baseball stadium.  It's be at least another 5 years before a new stadium is built in California for the A's and that number is on the optimistic side if they're looking for public funding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Field)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 23, 2011, 10:50:53 am
Supposedly a new stadium deal was signed. I thought I read that somewhere.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 23, 2011, 10:54:48 am
I just do not understand Billy Beane, why trade all those good young pitchers he had. He keeps turning a prospect into 3 or 4 others, but eventually you have to keel em together. He is not impressing me.


Me too.  I also can't understand the so-called experts that think Billy's a genius in the amateur draft and at the same time say KW is an awful judge of talent.  Billy Beane has gone out of his way to acquire prospects that KW drafted.  Not only with the White Sox, but also trading with the D-backs to get White Sox draftees/prospects.  Names like Gio Gonzalez, Brandon McCarthy, Fautino De Los Santos, Ryan Sweeney, Brandon Allen, and Chris Carter were all drafted or signed by the White Sox under the KW regime.  All of these guys play or played for the Oakland A's major league team in the last three years.  'Genius' Billy Beane picked up Phil Humber on waivers from KC in December 2010. One month later he lost him when the White Sox claimed Humber on waivers.

Don't get me wrong, I'd still like KW to be replaced as the White Sox GM, but he's not as bad in talent acquisition as the critics think and Billy Beane is vastly overrated.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on December 24, 2011, 01:37:01 am

no deal signed, apparently.  As my Mom used to say when I was a teenager, and getting spruced up to go out with my friends to hang at the mall:  "going out hoping?"

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Oakland-Athletics-start-rebuilding-era-await-MLB-approval-of-move-to-San-Jose-122311 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Oakland-Athletics-start-rebuilding-era-await-MLB-approval-of-move-to-San-Jose-122311)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 26, 2011, 08:57:50 am
You know how it seems that come Soxfest that KW has some kind of new toy to show off to the fans. Well I wonder if he has some new deal cooking to show offto the fans. Or will it just be the re-signed John Danks?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on December 26, 2011, 10:28:20 am
Agreed re Beane.  He appears to be swatting at anything desperately trying to regain his Money Ball days.

<insert picture of Scarlett O'Hara here>
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 26, 2011, 11:49:00 am
I really hate the thought of watching this team if no changes are made to this team before the season begins other than trading our closer
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on December 26, 2011, 01:00:38 pm
Agreed re Beane.  He appears to be swatting at anything desperately trying to regain his Money Ball days.

<insert picture of Scarlett O'Hara here>

His "Moneyball days" happened because he was the first man in a position of power to fully embrace it.  Now that other teams have caught on, he doesn't have that competitive advantage anymore.... and so he's back to being just an above average GM.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 26, 2011, 01:19:24 pm
I really do not believe the rest of the league caught on, makes it sound like the rest of the league uses his principals and I just do not see that happening.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 26, 2011, 01:20:48 pm
Wishful, go ahead and stop following the Sox, would make it less dismal in this forum.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 26, 2011, 05:28:07 pm
Cant do that MSF. Been a Sox fan for too many years, over 60.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 28, 2011, 08:55:59 am
well, I am happy to have a long time Sox fan aboard, just try to be a little more upbeat. We won the WS just 6 years ago, I am still living with that euphoria.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: PeteWard on December 28, 2011, 09:53:24 am
We won the WS just 6 years ago, I am still living with that euphoria.

Wonder if that's what the fans were saying in 1923?  - Eeyore
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2011, 10:42:09 am
well, I am happy to have a long time Sox fan aboard, just try to be a little more upbeat. We won the WS just 6 years ago, I am still living with that euphoria.

Well than maybe if you think about it for a minute and reflect back upon the years we were so bad and then remember 2005 and all the good and excitement, it has wetted my appetite for more and for excellence. I dont want to return to the days of mediocrity and let the kids play. I want another Series winner in my lifetime. I dont have another 80 some years left to wait till we win it all again.

Comprende?

I almost had a heart attack when you told me to abandon my team
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 28, 2011, 11:09:45 am
remember 2005 and all the good and excitement, it has wetted my appetite for more and for excellence.

I was just about to post something similar. I am not living off the euphoria of 2005 anymore because it just makes losing that much more difficult to deal with. Since we won it then I am even more hungry for another one. Once you get that taste it's hard to go back. Years ago when the Sox were bad (or just not very good), I still loved watching games because I love baseball and the Sox. We never really expected them to go very far because it just never happened for chicago baseball teams. But now forget it. I can't stomach watching really bad teams anymore.

I'd like to pose a question -- who do you think craves a world series winner more -- fans who have experienced it and can't imagine ever going back to the bad days again (when losing was normal and expected), or fans who have never experienced it yet and want that feeling? You'd think the latter would be the obvious answer but I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2011, 12:57:24 pm
I am with you Sox Rule.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2011, 01:04:04 pm
Another thing, you cant live in the past, its gone forever. The future is today and not 50 years from now. You cant be satisfied with mediocrity.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 28, 2011, 01:21:55 pm
I do remember 2005, going into that season I expected nothing of the sort. Last year I expected it. Lets let the season play out, see if our pitching staff is up to the task. We can discuss it, but do we have to be so glass half empty. One never knows which team will show up. Maybe the change from OZ to RV will make a bigger difference to the team than some of us expect.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2011, 01:31:37 pm
One never knows which team will show up.

That much I grant. But lets not assume that the glass is full when it isnt. I think that outfield is still in a state of flux. I believe changes still need to be made there even if KW leaves the pitching alone.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on December 28, 2011, 01:35:50 pm
MSF, I completely agree with you about the upcoming season. I think the people predicting all the doom and gloom are going a little overboard. I was just commenting on the fact that I am over 2005 only because I want another winner so badly.

And if the reports are true that the Cubs might completely tear their team apart and start from the ground up (I'll believe it when I see it), they will be very bad for the next few years. If the Sox can make a few playoff appearances within that time (a world series appearance/win would be best, obviously), it would be a great opportunity to try and win back some popularity.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2011, 01:50:44 pm
MSF I know you live for the draft and seeing the young players play, but I dont want a repeat of "the kids can play".
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on December 28, 2011, 02:46:35 pm
It's not whether the glass is half-full or half-empty, it's what's in it.


I have no idea what that means -- I just felt like posting something.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 28, 2011, 05:04:03 pm
Yeah, I want to win again too, but it does not quite hurt so bad if we don't.

I agree on the OF, in a flux right now. Might depend if we sign Cespedes. I wish we would just release Rios. Let De Aza play CF, maybe let Lilli go full time in RF. If Quentin is not traded then he would be my LF.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 28, 2011, 07:10:27 pm
KW trading santos looks even worse now...

Bailey a guy that has horrid home/away splits while pitching at a great pitchers park, and is always hurt, nets some good young players and a starting outfielder...

Santos gets KW a maybe starter/great reliever... can we please please fire kw now.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 28, 2011, 09:38:00 pm
Yeah, I want to win again too, but it does not quite hurt so bad if we don't.

I agree on the OF, in a flux right now. Might depend if we sign Cespedes. I wish we would just release Rios. Let De Aza play CF, maybe let Lilli go full time in RF. If Quentin is not traded then he would be my LF.

I hope we do get Cepedes. The big picture deals with Quentin. I hope they trade him for pitching. Then Cepedes in RF, DeAza in CF and either Rios or Lilli in left.  KW needs to make a move on Rios. We all keep waiting for KW to move Rios but he seems reluctant to move him. Shoot even a bag of balls is better than him on the roster.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 29, 2011, 08:07:35 am
No one will trade for Rios, we are stuck with his contract, thus we should just release him.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on December 29, 2011, 10:33:14 am
ESPN.com's Keith Law says Oakland got fair value for Bailey, whose health is an unknown, and Sweeney, whose raw power hasn't translated during games. Reddick provides the Athletics with additional years of control and Head and Alcantara could also prove useful. However, the Red Sox aren't likely to miss the trio of players they gave up and they obtained a proven closer
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on December 29, 2011, 10:43:24 am
I hope we do get Cepedes. The big picture deals with Quentin. I hope they trade him for pitching. Then Cepedes in RF, DeAza in CF and either Rios or Lilli in left.  KW needs to make a move on Rios. We all keep waiting for KW to move Rios but he seems reluctant to move him. Shoot even a bag of balls is better than him on the roster.



Forgettin' somebody?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on December 29, 2011, 02:34:28 pm
I want Cespedes for CF, De Aza is ok out there but not that great. Viciedo in RF is ok with me. Lilli either in LF if we unload Quentin, or he should start ahead of Beckham.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: 4nek8 on December 29, 2011, 09:04:31 pm
5 years at $13 million for an 11-11 career pitcher?

But a workhorse who's averaged a 14-11 record as a starter for over a decade with the team, hits 200+ innings every year,  has racked up 3 Gold Gloves and two no-hitters in the past couple of seasons, and is likely to reach 200 wins by the age of 35 doesn't even warrant a %$#@& offer?

I'm a fan of Danks and I'm glad he got his paycheck, but for an extra $1m/year (which is what Buehrle got from Miami), I'd bank on the proven vet to get me my money's worth over the life of their contracts.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2011, 09:01:08 am
Viciedo? Definitely better suited for LF than RF.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2011, 09:06:52 am
We need to tighten up the OF defense instead of loading the outfield with power bats that are weak defensively. I would rather have Lilli in RF than LF. Viciedo in RF isnt better defensively than Quentin who wasnt a stellar fielder. From the video I saw of Cepedes, he is a RFer, not CFer. There is another Cuban who played CF for their national team.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 30, 2011, 11:02:52 am
2012 white sox... we fixed the outfield defense...
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 30, 2011, 07:32:18 pm
2012 white sox... we fixed the outfield defense...

I havent seen any improvement yet
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on December 31, 2011, 01:26:38 pm
One can only hope Method.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on December 31, 2011, 07:01:08 pm
2012 white sox... we fixed the outfield defense...

I havent seen any improvement yet

Q is gone now... so as of now it looks like rios in RF, de aza in CF nad viciedo in RF.

but i'll bet our new manager is forced to play viceido in rf.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on December 31, 2011, 09:15:51 pm
Q is gone now... so as of now it looks like rios in RF, de aza in CF nad viciedo in RF.

They probably need 2 RFers there. Looks like the place to hit the ball is LF, nobody there. :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 02, 2012, 08:50:08 pm
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We need to tighten up the OF defense instead of loading the outfield with power bats that are weak defensively.

That's right.  We need to load the lineup with stellar fielders who can't generate runs.  Let's put nine players on the field who throw the leather but collectively hit about .210. 

Gee, that'd be a team of nine Brandon Inges.  Nine AAAA players.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 02, 2012, 11:50:38 pm
I believe Brandon Inge hit better than .210. Our 59 championship team wasnt loaded with a lot of outfield power, but they sure could field.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on January 03, 2012, 06:29:55 am
He hit .197 last year.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 03, 2012, 09:18:27 am
Its make or break time for Viciedo and possibly KW too according to Phill Rogers.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0101-rogers-white-sox-chicago--20120101,0,680195.column

Wish I could cut and paste the whole article. IMHO its a must read.

And I still dont believe he can handle RF. LF? Maybe if he can hit.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 03, 2012, 12:42:09 pm
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Our 59 championship team wasnt loaded with a lot of outfield power, but they sure could field.

You'll notice that the '59 Sox did not win it all.  And they'd even added Ted Kluszewski for power down the stretch.

I don't want the modern edition of the '59 White Sox on our current field, anyway.  I aspire to higher standards.

I want today's version of the '61 Yankees.



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 04, 2012, 09:20:05 am
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Our 59 championship team wasnt loaded with a lot of outfield power, but they sure could field.

You'll notice that the '59 Sox did not win it all.  And they'd even added Ted Kluszewski for power down the stretch.

I don't want the modern edition of the '59 White Sox on our current field, anyway.  I aspire to higher standards.

I want today's version of the '61 Yankees.

That wouldnt be bad, cause their defense wasnt bad. If our defense was 61 yankee good I'd be more than satisfied. But it surely isnt. But todays players are bigger, faster and stronger than players in 1961




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 04, 2012, 09:44:40 am
BAs take on the two kids we got for Quentin

Owner of the best slider in the Padres system prior to the trade, Castro seemed poised for big things in 2011 as he tackled Triple-A for the first time, but the bubble burst early. Castro landed on the disabled list with a lat injury after six starts for Tucson yielded a 10.17 ERA and 21-18 K-BB ratio. He recovered somewhat after a demotion to San Antonio in June, and he closed out the season on a high note, notching a 35-5 K-BB ratio and 2.53 ERA over his final seven starts. At fault for Castro's regression: out-of-whack mechanics in which he failed to extend on the front side of his delivery and also recoiled his arm. He's always pitched with a long arm action, so the Padres traced his troubles back to his starting assignment in the 2010 Futures Game, in which he allowed two runs in one inning. He hasn't pitched with the same consistency since. Castro's velocity dipped into the high 80s early in the 2011 season before he recovered to pitch at 92-94 mph and touch 96 with tailing action later in the year. His slider showed trademark late bite and 82-84 mph velocity at times, though just as often it resembled a three-quarters slurve. The changeup could be a fringe-average pitch in the mid-80s with more refinement. If Castro rediscovers his two plus pitches and control he still profiles as a mid-rotation arm or set-up reliever.


Hernandez always has thrown a quality changeup and shown strong command, but his prospect status began to take hold when his velocity began to creep up halfway through the 2010 season. Signed at age 18 out of Venezuela, Hernandez initially topped out near 87 mph but that has since become the low point for his fastball range. The Padres say the lefty has touched 95 on occasion, but more often he sits in the low 90s and works both sides of the plate with a riding fastball. Batters don't pick up the ball well against the short and stocky Hernandez, which helps his solid-average, low-80s changeup play up. Hernandez's mid- to low-80s slider/cutter doesn't elicit much praise, but it could be a fringe-average offering for him in time. Hernandez may not have a deep enough repertoire to start in the big leagues, but he could grow into a nifty lefty reliever capable of facing both righties and lefties.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 04, 2012, 09:45:47 am
BAs report on the prospects we got for Frasor

Jaye signed for $250,000 at the 2010 draft signing deadline and made his pro debut with Bluefield last year. A two-way player in high school, he attracted attention from the Blue Jays with his arm speed, fastball life and command. Jaye sat 85-86 mph and scraped 91 in high school, but he was touching 95 by the time instructional league rolled around in 2010. Tall and lean, Jaye has an athletic delivery. His fastball has good sink to it, but his secondary stuff is a work in progress. He has shown feel for a changeup and started working with a slider in pro ball after using a curve in high school. Jaye offers intriguing upside but is several years away.


Webb pulled down $450,000 at the 2009 draft signing deadline as the top pitching prospect from Florida junior college ranks. He neglected to sign with the Diamondbacks as a 12th-round pick out of high school in 2008, a year in which just two prep righties went in the draft's first round—Ethan Martin and Gerrit Cole. Webb ranked as No. 48 overall draft prospect that year. He has a good pitcher's frame and a live arm that produces a plus fastball, but most scouts think he'll eventually move to the bullpen because of his slingy arm action and lack of command. He shows feel for a changeup, but his curveball still needs work.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 04, 2012, 10:38:45 am
Thanks for posting those MSF.

Looks like we gotta wait on Hernandez and Webb to really make a decision on the trades... I still like the Frasor trade.

Not to high on Castro... read a lot of things about lack of movement on his fastball...
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 06, 2012, 08:06:01 am
@WBBMNewsradio WBBM Newsradio
Sources: Cubs’ Starlin Castro Accused Of Sexual Assault


Well that's not good for the new "cubs culture".
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 06, 2012, 08:31:43 am
of a male or female? I feel I need to ask nowadays.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 06, 2012, 11:06:02 am
Good question MSF
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 06, 2012, 02:13:46 pm
Quote

of a male or female? I feel I need to ask nowadays.



(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5XxjSQgxTPk/S-zGfEsloYI/AAAAAAAAALE/mmPrT7DByh4/s1600/Starlin+Castro.jpg)

Assault charge against Castro could rock Cubs

The new Cubs regime, headed by Theo Epstein, has been confronted with its first crisis.

WBBM-AM/780 is reporting this morning that Starlin Castro has been accused of sexually assaulting a woman last fall. Criminal charges have not been filed, but the report says police want to question the star shortstop, who lives in the Dominican Republic.

It is dangerous to speculate about these kinds of situations. But anything related to sexual assault is extremely serious, and these stories usually explode in magnitude.



Read more: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120106/BLOGS04/120109880/assault-charge-against-castro-could-rock-cubs#ixzz1ii3cGaIC (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120106/BLOGS04/120109880/assault-charge-against-castro-could-rock-cubs#ixzz1ii3cGaIC)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 06, 2012, 03:18:47 pm
while searching for an appropriate photo for the above post, I also came across this photo which also works:

(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/ChiN/SCW.jpg)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 06, 2012, 03:20:01 pm
Andy, in replies 590 and 591 (I think) I copied a couple paragraphs from BA. So that was a no-no?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 06, 2012, 03:36:31 pm
Andy, in replies 590 and 591 (I think) I copied a couple paragraphs from BA. So that was a no-no?

two to three paragraphs are fine.  But to be on the safe side, in the future please also include a link to the original story at BA.   Thanks.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 06, 2012, 03:47:28 pm
I like the second Starlin pic as it evokes breasts.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 06, 2012, 05:58:03 pm
Cubs trade pitcher Andrew Cashner for 1st baseman Anthony Rizzo:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cubs-acquire-1b-rizzo-from-san-diego-in-4player-deal-20120106,0,1975213.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cubs-acquire-1b-rizzo-from-san-diego-in-4player-deal-20120106,0,1975213.story)

Back in early June, I posted this in the old Around Baseball - 2011 topic:

Quote

Hope this kid does well with all he's been through:

(http://static.sandiego.com/articlefiles/ee396788-5e50-4b39-b0ac-5d11736fffe1/Padres-Rizzo-Baseball_Cutl_325.jpg)

Rizzo prepared to take on big league challenge
Padres top hitting prospect has accomplished much in short time


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20205274&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110608&content_id=20205274&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 07, 2012, 12:38:10 am
Best move made by KW last off-season was letting this guy go.  I still can't believe that 'Theo the Genius' gave this guy  $12M over 2 years:

Quote

(http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/20120105/3b64fd_050111soxmw015.jpg)

Bobby Jenks has back surgery again

The Red Sox’ return on their $12 million investment in reliever Bobby Jenks will be delayed some more, after word came out yesterday that the oft-injured right-hander had a second surgical procedure on his back.

Jenks, set to make another $6 million this season after earning $6 million for 19 appearances, a 2.23 WHIP and a 6.32 ERA last year, will not be ready at the start of spring training. Whether or not he will be available at the start of the regular season remains to be seen.

Last year, Jenks missed May with a biceps strain and at midseason a back problem cropped up. A pulmonary embolism, discovered in September, pushed back his first surgery. Complications forced the second, less serious procedure.

more at:  http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20220106jenks_has_back_surgery_again/srvc=sports&position=also (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/20220106jenks_has_back_surgery_again/srvc=sports&position=also)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 08, 2012, 10:54:56 am
Cool, thanks
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2012, 07:46:02 pm
Doesnt look like there is a Cepedes signing imminent.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cuban-star-cespedes-joins-dominican-winter-league-team-20120112,0,3607860.story

And the Cubs are interested too
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 13, 2012, 09:58:59 am
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Doesnt look like there is a Cepedes signing imminent.

Oh c'mon, just call him Cepeda.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 13, 2012, 10:08:04 am
How many arm guards is he wearing in that pic"?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 13, 2012, 11:25:15 am
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Doesnt look like there is a Cepedes signing imminent.

Oh c'mon, just call him Cepeda.

As in Orlando Cepeda?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 13, 2012, 02:03:49 pm
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As in Orlando Cepeda?

Well, you're already calling him Cepedes, when his real name is Cespedes.

So, please, just mangle his name some more, and make it into something familiar like Cepeda.  Jeez.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 13, 2012, 02:13:48 pm
Will it look any different on game days this season?  Other than the snow being gone?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 13, 2012, 08:01:46 pm
http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7460297/new-york-yankees-deal-jesus-montero-seattle-mariners-michael-pineda-source-says

Link says it all..
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 13, 2012, 10:11:55 pm
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As in Orlando Cepeda?

Well, you're already calling him Cepedes, when his real name is Cespedes.

So, please, just mangle his name some more, and make it into something familiar like Cepeda.  Jeez.

Hmmm, OK my bad then.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 14, 2012, 03:22:43 pm


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Luke Scott to the Tampa Rays for 1 year, $5M (with a $6M option for 2013):

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/rays/content/scott-deal-official-5m-12-6m-option?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

That's not a bad deal for the Rays as they sign a hitter who just might hit 25+ homers next year.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 16, 2012, 09:23:47 am
Nice article by Rogers today on the Cubans. Rogers says by the end of the month (likely Soxfest) teams should be able to sign players
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 16, 2012, 09:26:29 am
I hope we get that Cuban left hander
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on January 16, 2012, 11:08:37 am
Cubs aren't interested in Cespedes.  Just like they were interested in Fielder and Pujols.  Theo the Great has a couple of years to rebuild so they won't be spending any money
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 16, 2012, 06:20:38 pm
So that was just the Cubbie fan Rogers trying to make Theo look good or to scare KW into increasing his offer for the players?

Anyways, I think KW needs to come up with a score on Cespedes to solidify the outfield after trading Quentin. Plus his Cuban talent evaluation is flawed on Viciedo. He really doesnt look like a RFer. He wasnt a 3Bman either. And he hasnt hit major league pitching yet. He really appears to be a DH candidate provided he can finally hit major league pitching consistantly.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 17, 2012, 01:44:04 pm
Cubs aren't interested in Cespedes.  Just like they were interested in Fielder and Pujols.  Theo the Great has a couple of years to rebuild so they won't be spending any money

Yoeni Céspedes Says Chicago Cubs Have Shown The Most Interest:

http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-cubs/2012/1/17/2713275/Yoeni-Cespedes-mlb-free-agency-chicago-cubs-white-sox-tigers-marlins-indians (http://chicago.sbnation.com/chicago-cubs/2012/1/17/2713275/Yoeni-Cespedes-mlb-free-agency-chicago-cubs-white-sox-tigers-marlins-indians)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on January 17, 2012, 02:52:04 pm
D'oh

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-tigers-martinez-injures-knee-could-miss-2012-season-20120117,0,2024974.story
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on January 17, 2012, 04:16:13 pm
Yep, Martinez is done for the year.
Maybe they'll sign this guy to replace him...

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/blue-jays-release-mark-teahen.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 17, 2012, 05:56:14 pm
This article says as well that the Cubs are interested in Cespedes.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-viciedo-valuable-as-white-sox-replacement-recruiter-20120117,0,6590861.story

It also says Viciedo has also tried to recruit Cespedes and Solder to the Sox
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 18, 2012, 10:10:04 am
If the reports about the amount of money it'll take to sign Cespedes are true then the Sox should stay away and try for Soler instead. Soler might have the bigger upside anyway, even if he's much further away from the majors than Cespedes. My fear is a Fukodome situation where the guy thinks he's such a catch that every major league team should be willing to fork over millions for him and then he gets here and is just okay.

If the Sox get one or both, I won't be unhappy though (at least as long as they're not complete flops).
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 01:34:11 pm
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Injured V-Mart leaves gaping hole in Detroit

Richard Justice By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 01/17/12 5:33 PM EST

It wasn't just that Victor Martinez almost won a batting title. It wasn't that he delivered clutch hit after clutch hit and almost always put the ball in play. Nor was it the lineup protection he provided for Miguel Cabrera.

It probably was no coincidence that Cabrera hit .344 --that's 27 points above his career average -- with V-Mart hitting behind him. He also brought left-handed-hitting balance to a lineup dominated by right-handed bats.

Yes, Martinez did all those things last season as the Tigers won the American League Central by 15 games. Still, that's just the beginning of the story.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26370922&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26370922&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 01:40:30 pm
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Darvish deadline today; negotiations ongoing

By T.R. Sullivan / MLB.com | 01/18/12 12:34 PM EST
 
The sun has come up but Yu Darvish and the Rangers have not yet reached an agreement.

The word Wednesday morning was that the Rangers' optimism has waned a bit. The two sides negotiated late into Tuesday night and there were definitely still some differences that have cooled that optimism.

They still hope to get something done before the 5 p.m. ET deadline.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26373244&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26373244&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 01:45:42 pm
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Braun to give speech after accepting MVP
Brewers slugger to attend BBWAA awards banquet in New York

By Adam McCalvy / MLB.com | 01/18/12 11:16 AM EST

MILWAUKEE -- Brewers outfielder Ryan Braun will break his uncharacteristically long silence in a short speech after accepting his National League MVP Award at a banquet in New York on Saturday, the New York Times reported Wednesday.

Other than some brief text messages with outlets including MLB.com, Braun has not spoken publicly since ESPN broke the news in mid-December that he faced a suspension under Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. Braun is appealing the test, which according to the report registered a high level of testosterone.

Braun told MLB.com in December, "I would love to talk, but unfortunately I'm not really allowed to say anything right now. My day will come soon, though."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26376866&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26376866&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 01:49:48 pm
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Crawford has surgery, may miss Opening Day

By Ian Browne / MLB.com | 01/17/12 5:02 PM EST
 
BOSTON -- Red Sox left fielder Carl Crawford underwent arthroscopic surgery on his left wrist on Tuesday, and he is in jeopardy of missing Opening Day, which is on April 5 at Detroit.

However, Boston general manager Ben Cherington is confident that Crawford will be the team's left fielder for "the bulk of the season" and that the injury won't linger.

"It was a basic debridement of some cartilage in his left wrist," said Cherington. "[It's a] relatively routine procedure. We expect Carl to be recovered and hitting at some point during Spring Training. We're not going to put an exact timeline on it. We expect him to be hitting at some point during Spring Training and then expect him to be in position to return to play at some point very early in the season."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26369952&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26369952&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 18, 2012, 02:48:14 pm
Darvish looks like a chick
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 03:15:09 pm
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Miami Marlins could be on tap for second season of The Franchise on Showtime

by: Juan C. Rodriguez January 18th, 2012 | 3:42 PM

The Marlins are not coming off a World Series championship like the Giants were last season, but Showtime sees enough compelling story lines in South Florida to make them the subject of their docuseries, The Franchise. According to Variety, the network and the Marlins are close to a deal to feature the club on the program’s second season.

In the premier season, Showtime embedded their film crews with the Giants starting in spring training. The resulting eight episodes, which aired throughout the summer, drew an average of 651,000 viewers, according to Variety. The concept is similar to that of HBO’s wildly popular docuseries Hard Knocks, which gives viewers a behind the scenes look at an NFL training camp.

more at:  http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baseball_marlins/2012/01/miami-marlins-could-be-on-tap-for-second-season-of-the-franchise-on-showtime.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+marlinsblog+%28Florida+Marlins+|+Sun-Sentinel+Blogs%29 (http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_baseball_marlins/2012/01/miami-marlins-could-be-on-tap-for-second-season-of-the-franchise-on-showtime.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+marlinsblog+%28Florida+Marlins+|+Sun-Sentinel+Blogs%29)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 04:12:35 pm
latest tweet from MLB.com:

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MLB MLB
BREAKING: @Rangers and Japanese RHP Yu Darvish agree to 6-year deal.
11 minutes ago

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 04:19:40 pm
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Rangers, Darvish agree to contract terms

By T.R. Sullivan / MLB.com | 01/18/12 5:00 PM EST

ARLINGTON -- The Rangers have agreed to terms with Japanese right-hander Yu Darvish on a multiyear contract. A news conference is expected to be held on Wednesday at Rangers Ballpark.

The Rangers won negotiating rights with a $51.7 million bid that will now be paid to the Hokkaido Nippon-Ham Fighters. Texas was able to come to an agreement with Darvish before a 5 p.m. ET Wednesday deadline.

The deal is for six years and for approximately $60 million.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26373244&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120117&content_id=26373244&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 18, 2012, 04:51:01 pm
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Clubs more cautious with Japan's talent pool

By Tom Singer / MLB.com | 01/18/12 5:30 PM EST

The Japanese market could be back on a bull run.

Yu Darvish's six-year, $60 million deal with the Rangers made him a big leaguer on Wednesday, but will the right-hander also become the vanguard of a Japanese renaissance?

The buzz over the 25-year-old Nippon ace -- before, during and since his posting -- has already transcended what recently has been a bearish market.

Major League Baseball executives for the most part have lost their infatuation with this market, discouraged by a string of disappointing results.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26375470&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120118&content_id=26375470&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 19, 2012, 08:47:53 pm

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Tribe blindsided by Carmona identity arrest
Pitcher's name said to be Roberto Hernandez Heredia; age 31

By Jordan Bastian / MLB.com | 01/19/12 8:20 PM EST

CLEVELAND -- The Indians were blindsided by Thursday's news that the pitcher known to date as Fausto Carmona was arrested in the Dominican Republic for using a false identity. Cleveland is now scrambling to determine how to handle the situation.

The pitcher's real name was reported to be Roberto Hernandez Heredia.

"We were recently made aware of the situation that occurred today in the Dominican Republic," Indians general manager Chris Antonetti said in a statement, "and are currently in the process of gathering information. We are not prepared to make any additional comment at this time."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120119&content_id=26393456&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120119&content_id=26393456&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


even more at: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7480419/fausto-carmona-cleveland-indians-arrested-accused-using-false-identity (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7480419/fausto-carmona-cleveland-indians-arrested-accused-using-false-identity)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 20, 2012, 06:29:27 am
Fake players. Haha
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 20, 2012, 09:48:59 am
This is just nuts. Too much of this crap happening. That is one downfall about paying big money for Latin American ballplayers. Cripes
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on January 20, 2012, 10:28:09 am
It you were going to pick a new name why you go with Carmoana in the first place?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 20, 2012, 10:31:39 am
he went with CarMONa
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on January 20, 2012, 01:44:11 pm
It was purposely phonetic Method......
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 20, 2012, 02:00:50 pm
heh... obviously that went right over my head.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 21, 2012, 01:04:23 pm
"Carbona" would have been better.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 04:45:34 pm
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Guillen vows response to Peavy's remarks

Tribune News Services - 1:42 p.m. CST, January 21, 2012

Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen tweeted a warning Friday that he'll soon have a response to comments by Chicago White Sox pitcher Jake Peavy regarding Guillen's departure from the team.

The only surprise was it took Guillen nearly a week to comment after Peavy pointed to Guillen's exit from the Sox with two games left on his contract while discussing the concept of quitting on a team.

Without directly mentioning Peavy, Guillen appeared to respond to the comments with a series of tweets Friday.

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-guillen-i-never-quit-in-anything-20120121,0,4851673.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-guillen-i-never-quit-in-anything-20120121,0,4851673.story)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 04:55:59 pm
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In light of Carmona issue, Indians trade for Kevin Slowey

CLEVELAND (AP) – With the future of the starter they knew only as Fausto Carmona unclear, the Indians made a move to protect their rotation.

Cleveland traded for right-hander Kevin Slowey, acquiring the right-hander from Colorado on Friday for minor league reliever Zach Putnam and cash considerations.

Indians general manager Chris Antonetti claimed the deal was not a direct reaction to Carmona's arrest in the Dominican Republic on charges the pitcher falsified his identity to play in the U.S. However, the timing of the trade seems to indicate the Indians don't know if they'll have Carmona this season.

more at:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/indians/story/2012-01-21/kevin-slowey-trade/52706882/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/indians/story/2012-01-21/kevin-slowey-trade/52706882/1)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 05:00:30 pm
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Rangers formally introduce Yu Darvish

ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) – Yu Darvish leaned over and looked at his name and the No. 11 on the back of his Texas Rangers jersey. Then he looked up and smiled.

"Excited, that's all I feel right now," Darvish said through a translator. "Just excited going forward."

Japan's best pitcher is now officially a member of the two-time defending American League champions, with his formal introduction Friday night in Texas coming two days after the right-hander agreed to a six-year contract that guarantees him $56 million.

more at:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/rangers/story/2012-01-20/yu-darvish-formal-introduction/52703518/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/rangers/story/2012-01-20/yu-darvish-formal-introduction/52703518/1)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 06:26:25 pm

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Scutaro dealt from Red Sox to Rockies
Two-player swap nets Boston right-hander Mortensen

The Red Sox received RHP Clayton Mortensen from Colorado. He is a former supplemental first round pick now with his fourth organization.

With the $6 million saved in dealing Scutaro, the Sox could pursue RHP Roy Oswalt or OF Cody Ross.

more at:  http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/01/sox_trade_scuta.html (http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2012/01/sox_trade_scuta.html)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 06:48:48 pm
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A's reportedly have strong interest in Manny

By Cash Kruth / MLB.com | 01/20/12 7:15 PM EST

Manny Ramirez is turning the heads of at least a few teams as the outfielder looks to return to Major League Baseball, but no club is more interested in the 12-time All-Star than the A's, according to a report by ESPN.

The 39-year-old Ramirez, who retired last season after violating the league's banned substances policy for the second time, has been working out in Miami and plans to have open workout sessions for interested teams later this month.

The Orioles and Blue Jays already have watched Ramirez hit, according to the report, but a source told ESPN that Oakland is "very interested" in Ramirez.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120120&content_id=26410750&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120120&content_id=26410750&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 06:55:57 pm
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Cespedes' arrival hinges on residency process
New rules should make it easier for Cuban slugger to reach bigs


By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 01/20/12 6:19 PM EST

With Spring Training right around the corner, several teams are eagerly awaiting the opportunity to bid on Cuban defector Yoenis Cespedes. It's been almost 2 1/2 months since he burst onto the baseball scene with an entertaining training video promoting his first showcase in the Dominican Republic, but he still has not been declared a free agent by Major League Baseball. What's the hangup?

Under a new, simplified process established by President Barack Obama's administration in January 2011, any Cuban defector who wants to do business with an American company must first establish residency outside Cuba and the United States. Establishing residency in the Dominican can take up to three months once the paperwork has been submitted, a step that Cespedes -- currently playing for Aguilas Cibaenas in the Dominican Winter League -- has not yet completed.

Cespedes is represented by agent Adam Katz and is training with Edgar Mercedes while playing in the Dominican, where he hit his first home run earlier this week. Cespedes recently said the Marlins, Cubs, White Sox, Orioles, Tigers, and Indians have expressed the most interest in signing him. He is expected to command a contract greater than the one received by Cuban left-handed pitcher Aroldis Chapman, who signed a six-year, $30.25 million deal with the Reds in January 2010.

more at: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120120&content_id=26409816&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120120&content_id=26409816&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 07:03:23 pm
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Beane makes moves to give A's hope
Facing uphill climb, GM's puts his plan for the future in motion


Richard Justice By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 01/20/12 10:00 AM EST


Billy Beane vividly remembers the night he and his boss at the time, Sandy Alderson, were leaving work a few hours after trading Mark McGwire in 1997.

"We were in last place. We were last in the league in attendance," he said. "I thought, 'It can't get any worse than this.'"

At that point, it felt like the Oakland A's might never win another game, and Beane has revisited those emotions often the past few months in the midst of beginning another reconstruction project.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120120&content_id=26403188&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120120&content_id=26403188&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 21, 2012, 07:07:27 pm
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Was Yoennis Cespedes Playing With A Juiced Ball?

Higinio Velez, President of the Cuban Federation of Amateur Baseball, announced last week that the Cuban National Series would be replacing the use of the Mizuno-150 model baseball to a “less live” Mizuno-200 model.

Like the Mizuno-150, the Mizuno-200 is made in Japan. The 200 model will be introduced because it is believed to be “less live” than its 150 contemporary.  Although there is no scientific evidence that can be used to substantiate this belief (of mostly Cuban sports commentators), there exists a need to balance the disproportionate ratio of offense to pitching.  60 players in the Cuban National Series batted over .300 last season and the single-season home run record is tied or broken every season for the last 5 years or so by Yuliesky Gourriel, Alfredo Despaigne or Yoennis Cespedes.

more at:  http://mopupduty.com/was-yoennis-cespedes-playing-with-a-juiced-ball-1235/ (http://mopupduty.com/was-yoennis-cespedes-playing-with-a-juiced-ball-1235/)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2012, 06:26:00 am
Aaahh! A juiced ball. Now that makes some sense. No wonder Cespedes isnt faring well with the balls used in the Dominican Republic
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2012, 06:29:47 am
The guy probably wont hit 200 here
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 22, 2012, 06:35:29 am
Ozzie should just learn to shut his mouth. But knowing Ozzie the way we do, he isnt capable of that. I didnt see anything inflamatory or derogatory in anything Peavey said. Just let it go.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 22, 2012, 08:48:59 am
They both talk too much, both should shut up. Peavy needs to lead by example, not with his mouth.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on January 23, 2012, 10:04:17 am
The problem with Cespedes in the Dominican isn't the lack of a juiced ball, it's the lack of his ability to even make contact with it.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 01:45:07 pm
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Bids due as auctioning of Dodgers begins

By Ken Gurnick / MLB.com | 01/23/12 11:23 AM EST

LOS ANGELES -- Initial bids in the auction of the Dodgers and Dodger Stadium are due on Monday, with the sale expected to be completed by April 30.

The sale process, managed by Blackstone Advisory Partners and overseen by the U.S. Bankruptcy Court, resulted in more than two dozen groups receiving confidential financial information. Blackstone and current owner Frank McCourt, who placed the team into bankruptcy protection last June, will present qualified bidders to Major League Baseball, which will approve up to 10 bidders.

From that group, McCourt will select the "highest and best" bid by April 1, notify the court by April 6, and the sale will close by April 30, the same day he is required to pay ex-wife Jamie McCourt $131 million to settle their divorce. In recent court filings, the Dodgers listed $573 million of debt.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120123&content_id=26436580&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120123&content_id=26436580&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 01:53:06 pm
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Questions linger for Cards as they aim to repeat
Beltran's production, Wainwright's return to club will be critical


Anthony Castrovince By Anthony Castrovince | MLB.com Columnist | Archive 01/23/12 12:00 AM EST


How long does the shine of a championship last before the focus turns toward the future?

Well, in the St. Louis Cardinals' case, they had maybe an hour or so to bask in the brilliance of their seven-game stunner against the Rangers. And then came a stunner of another sort: Tony La Russa pulling all the players into the weight room and announcing his retirement.

And really, very little in the Cardinals' universe has been stable since.

La Russa is gone, and so is Albert Pujols. The great pitching coach Dave Duncan was expected to stay on new (and we do mean new) manager Mike Matheny's staff, but his wife's ongoing medical issue coerced him to take a leave of absence for the season. And in addition to having to replace one of the game's all-time most successful skippers and one of its all-time greatest sluggers, general manager John Mozeliak also had to hire a new scouting director after Jeff Luhnow left the organization to become the GM of the Astros.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120122&content_id=26422830&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120122&content_id=26422830&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)


 
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 02:10:53 pm
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(http://beautiful-pics.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Ryan_Braun_2.jpg)

Ryan Braun: Challenge is opportunity 

By Wallace Matthews - ESPNNewYork.com

NEW YORK -- National League MVP Ryan Braun, in his first public comments since testing positive for a performance-enhancing drug, told a packed Manhattan ballroom crowd Saturday night that "everything I have done in my career has been done with respect and appreciation for the game of baseball."

Although he never directly addressed the allegations against him -- that his MVP season was accomplished with the help of a banned substance -- it was clear Braun's remarks were pointed at the legal battle he is currently involved in.
 
"You know, sometimes in life, we all deal with challenges we never expected to endure," Braun said, while accepting his award at the annual dinner of the New York chapter of the Baseball Writers Association of America. "We have an opportunity to look at those challenges and view them either as obstacles or as opportunities, and I've chosen to view every challenge I've ever faced as an opportunity and this will be no different. I have always believed that a person's character is revealed through the way they deal with those moments of adversity."

more at:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7488198/milwaukee-brewers-ryan-braun-accepts-mvp-talks-respect-baseball (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7488198/milwaukee-brewers-ryan-braun-accepts-mvp-talks-respect-baseball)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 03:21:27 pm
ESPN's OTL: Stem Cell Salvation? [VIDEO]

Athletes looking to heal faster or salvage their careers are heading overseas to have stem cell treatment, which is banned in the U.S.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7481146 (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7481146)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 23, 2012, 03:33:29 pm
The problem with Cespedes in the Dominican isn't the lack of a juiced ball, it's the lack of his ability to even make contact with it.

...which should be fair warning to stay away from him.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on January 23, 2012, 03:42:47 pm
"Hey Bill, what's Willie Harris' problem?"

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/reds-sign-willie-harris.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on January 23, 2012, 03:43:30 pm
White Sox in on Gerardo Concepcion:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/many-teams-eyeing-gerardo-concepcion-.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 23, 2012, 03:55:13 pm
"I'm going to predict his name is Don Paco Taco Jose Chimichanga Chipotle or something and he's 21 already.  Pass on signing him. "
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 23, 2012, 03:57:25 pm
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Don Paco Taco Jose Chimichanga Chipotle

Stop it, you're making me hungry.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 23, 2012, 04:03:00 pm
after reading that i am revising my dinner plans to the taco bus.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on January 23, 2012, 04:09:05 pm
I see Chris27 posted in the comments section:

"It is much to early to project where Concepcion will land, but given the Cubs strong track record in attracting Cuban talent over the past few seasons, there is every reason to be optimistic about the Cubs chances."

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 05:15:47 pm
I see Chris27 posted in the comments section:

"It is much to early to project where Concepcion will land, but given the Cubs strong track record in attracting Cuban talent over the past few seasons, there is every reason to be optimistic about the Cubs chances."



Did he/she/it at least use a purple font in that comment?

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 05:46:59 pm
(http://astrosdaily.com/files/Ransdell/newlogo.jpg)

Jim Crane: Kiss My Asstros Goodbye?
New Astros owner Jim Crane considering name change as well as uniform switch for team

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/new-astros-owner-jim-crane-considering-name-change-as-well-as-uniform-switch-for-team/2012/01/23/gIQAtJ3uLQ_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/new-astros-owner-jim-crane-considering-name-change-as-well-as-uniform-switch-for-team/2012/01/23/gIQAtJ3uLQ_story.html)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on January 23, 2012, 05:49:19 pm
Hopefully they go back to being "The Colt 45s".  And maybe have a big Billy Dee Williams head as their logo.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 23, 2012, 07:15:28 pm
(http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2789/4244182327_6a426f2115_t.jpg)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 23, 2012, 07:19:12 pm
I'm going to predict his name is Don Paco Taco Jose Chimichanga Chipotle
 
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3401/3576742441_1be321d056_t.jpg)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Shoeless on January 23, 2012, 09:59:10 pm
I actually think that comment was meant to be Sox.  I mean, could a Cubs fan be that stupid?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 24, 2012, 06:21:03 am
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Hopefully they go back to being "The Colt 45s".  And maybe have a big Billy Dee Williams head as their logo.

I like it.

Works every time.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2012, 07:56:18 am
I hope KW goes after Concepcion. At least his last name has a major league ring to it, so just maybe he has some talent.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2012, 07:59:07 am
"I'm going to predict his name is Don Paco Taco Jose Chimichanga Chipotle or something and he's 21 already.  Pass on signing him. "

Maybe its Dos veces Carmona
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 24, 2012, 09:22:37 am
I hope KW goes after Concepcion. At least his last name has a major league ring to it, so just maybe he has some talent.

(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4064/4618540211_0146b8a054_m.jpg)

Agreed.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on January 24, 2012, 02:48:00 pm
Prince Fielder signing with the Tigers?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 24, 2012, 03:24:01 pm
ESPN says its a done deal..

Wow... cabrera and fielder back to back... thats nasty...

9 years 214 million.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 24, 2012, 03:41:41 pm
Offensively Prince-Cabrera is going to be a hell of a combo, but with those 2 at the corners? Holy atrocious defense, batman!!

And there's no way Fielder is still performing at this rate 9 years from now....not with his weight issues. That contract will be a disaster in a few years. Maybe Illitch is rich enough that he doesn't care?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on January 24, 2012, 03:44:42 pm
I'm guessing one of them is going to DH with Martinez out for the year.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 24, 2012, 03:49:22 pm
They will each DH occassionally but from what I read it looked as if Prince is going to be the first basemen and Cabrera was asked to change roles and will now presumable play third.

Detroit moved Cabrera from third to first a few years ago because he was an epic failure at third.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on January 24, 2012, 04:37:50 pm
I remember once signing Albert Belle to bat behind Frank Thomas...

More recently, I remember signing Adam Dunn to bat behind Paul Konerko.


Color me giddy. Better than them signing pitching. Hope Prince's move to the AL goes as well as Dunn's did.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 24, 2012, 06:48:49 pm
Haha
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dazed63 on January 24, 2012, 08:02:14 pm
The only good thing that may come to this season is that it may be KW's last.

Is Pablo Uzuno still available?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 25, 2012, 06:20:50 am
Hopefully you are right.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 25, 2012, 07:56:33 am
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Miguel Cabrera told @Marfamata that he was aware of this possibility five days ago and spoke with Jim Leyland about moving to 3B.


Yeah, that infield defense will be atrocious with those 2 at the corners. This certainly helps the Tigers short term (and as far as the division is concerned they were clear favorites anyhow) but I still think that was a terrible contract for Fielder.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 25, 2012, 10:50:04 am
Prediction for the AL Central 2012

Cleveland 94-68
Detroit 89-73
Kansas City 80-82
Minnesota 75-87
Chicago 64-98
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on January 25, 2012, 10:55:05 am
Is that from you, PECOTA, or some other system?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 25, 2012, 11:16:25 am
This may help offset the Fielder signing if you know what I mean and I think that you do:  Detroit Tigers reportedly looking to add speed, considering free agent Juan Pierrehttp://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2012/01/detroit_tigers_reportedly_look.html

The pictorial retrospective will commence once it's official he's landed somewhere else.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on January 25, 2012, 11:59:00 am
Is that from you, PECOTA, or some other system?

FURYCOTA
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 25, 2012, 01:31:52 pm
The Prince Fielder contract: all kinds of crazy

But that’s the future. For the present, this deal does make the Tigers better.  Not perfect. The Tigers still have many holes in their lineup.  The team’s strength is still its pitching. Justin Verlander is the best in the AL, but it’s not like he can get better than he was in 2011. Jose Valverde was fantastic in 2011, but he’s actually, you know, gonna blow some saves at some point. Maybe Rick Porcello and Max Scherzer improve. Maybe they don’t. The point is that there are way more moving parts on a team than the well-appointed third and fourth slots in the 2012 Tigers’ lineup.

Signing Fielder likely ensures another AL Central crown. So, if you’re a Tigers fan, yes, you should be happy. But it doesn’t guarantee anything more than that and may hinder the Tigers’ competitiveness in the future. So try to keep your excitement under control.



http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/24/the-prince-fielder-contract-all-kinds-of-crazy/
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 25, 2012, 01:34:44 pm
Signing Fielder likely ensures another AL Central crown.

They were pretty much assured another AL Central crown before Fielder. They really need to win the WS sometime in the next few years for that contract to be worth it. Looking at comments from various fans, baseball writers, ect, I haven't seen very many people actually praising the Tigers for this deal.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on January 25, 2012, 01:41:32 pm
It's probably a solid deal for the next 3~4 years.... after that, I think he'll break down....
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 25, 2012, 02:57:20 pm
Miggy has agreed to move to 3b for Fielder.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dazed63 on January 25, 2012, 03:48:55 pm
Miggy at third should be good for some laughs!
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on January 25, 2012, 04:29:17 pm
I'm sure Verlander is thrilled about that defensive alignment.

Let me be the first to predict that the Tigers will not win the Central next year.

Remember, they lost V-Mart...
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Method on January 25, 2012, 06:40:20 pm
I bet they get a jorneyman 3bman and rotate the fielder and Miggy between DH/1b.

Fielder >> V mart
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 25, 2012, 09:18:22 pm
In the last few days, several ex-White Sox players have new homes:

* Los Angeles Angels sign free-agent pitcher Bartolo Colon to a one-year contract.

* Toronto Blue Jays sign free-agent infielder Omar Vizquel to a minor league contract.

* Baltimore Orioles sign free-agent infielder Wilson Betemit to a two-year contract.

* Miami Marlins sign free-agent pitcher Gary Glover to a minor league contract.

* Cincinnati Reds sign free-agent outfielder Willie Harris to a minor league contract.

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 25, 2012, 09:27:27 pm
(http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Chicago+White+Sox+Photo+Day+9I6TgWtkYcfl.jpg)

Former White Sox Nick Masset signs two-year deal with Reds

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/reds-rh-nick-masset-agree-on-2-year-55-million-deal-avoiding-arbitration/2012/01/25/gIQASstARQ_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/reds-rh-nick-masset-agree-on-2-year-55-million-deal-avoiding-arbitration/2012/01/25/gIQASstARQ_story.html)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 25, 2012, 09:40:09 pm
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Yoenis Cespedes can negotiate with MLB teams

NEW YORK (AP) – Major League Baseball has told teams that Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes is eligible to negotiate with big league teams

The commissioner's office notified clubs on Wednesday, a day after Cespedes established legal residency in the Dominican Republic.

His agent, Edgar Mercedes, confirmed the residency in a telephone interview Tuesday.

more at: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/story/2012-01-25/cespedes-mlb-negotiations/52796572/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/story/2012-01-25/cespedes-mlb-negotiations/52796572/1)




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 25, 2012, 10:07:58 pm
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(http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2012/01/23/Rich-famous-line-up-to-buy-Dodgers-JUSMBTC-x-large.jpg)

Rich, famous bidders line up to buy Dodgers

By Bob Nightengale, USA TODAY

The Los Angeles Dodgers, one of baseball's most storied franchises, drew such scant interest when last on the sales block that Frank McCourt bought the team in exchange for only a Boston parking lot.

Now, after McCourt's sordid divorce turned the club into a soap opera and led him into bankruptcy, everyone seems to want a piece of Hollywood's team.

McCourt and his investment bankers received more than 20 bids Monday to purchase the Dodgers, according to a high-ranking baseball official familiar with the bidding process but unauthorized to speak publicly. McCourt, who bought the team in a heavily-leveraged, $430 million transaction in 2004, anticipates receiving $1.5 billion, a record for a North American sports franchise, when he sells in April.

more at:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/dodgers/story/2012-01-23/rich-famous-bidders-line-up-to-buy-dodgers/52780200/1?csp=ip (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/nl/dodgers/story/2012-01-23/rich-famous-bidders-line-up-to-buy-dodgers/52780200/1?csp=ip)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on January 26, 2012, 08:04:00 am
Let me be the first to predict that the Tigers will not win the Central next year.


Not sure I'd go that far. I think the Tigers will win it by default but I don't see them signing Fielder as some huge blow to our division. I also remember when they signed Miguel Cabrera for the 2008 season and were supposed to win the division easily, yet didn't they end up in last place that year?

And the Sox were coming off that horrid 2007 season had no expectations and were the ones who won it. Baseball is just too unpredictable. The Tigers don't scare me because they have Fielder. The Sox are in a semi-rebuilding phase. We already know the next year or two will most likely not be division winning seasons.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2012, 08:39:44 am
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-in-line-for-final-push-for-cespedes-20120125,0,5809069.story

Along with telephone calls by Cuban native Dayan Viciedo, the Chicago White Sox have several elements that can't hurt their chances of landing free agent outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.

Cespedes, 26, was granted free agency Wednesday by Major League Baseball after establishing residency in the Dominican Republic. Cespedes' decision could come down to money, but the Sox are well-equipped to provide a comfort zone for him, according to an international talent evaluator from another American League team.


My gut feeling is that if they do sign this guy it will backfire on them.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2012, 08:41:55 am
Watch the Sox push to have this kid signed in time for Soxfest. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on January 26, 2012, 09:36:47 am
Fielder >> V mart

Not by much off the year VMart had last season, not by much if at all.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 26, 2012, 01:19:31 pm
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Let me be the first to predict that the Tigers will not win the Central next year.

Too late.  See my prediction in #683.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on January 26, 2012, 01:20:23 pm
And I will reiterate that the only two teams in the AL Central to break .500 this year will be the Indians and the Tigers.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 08:38:28 pm
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Nats bring Lidge on board with one-year deal

By Bill Ladson / MLB.com | 01/26/12 3:24 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- The Nationals agreed to terms with reliever Brad Lidge on a one-year, $1 million contract Thursday.

Teams such as the Rockies and Phillies expressed interest in Lidge, but he joined the Nats after having great conversations with general manager Mike Rizzo.

"The process gets kind of long-winded at times," Lidge said via telephone. "Sometimes teams take their time responding to you, but Mike Rizzo did an outstanding job of communicating to me that he wanted me and wanted to talk to me.

more at:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26472548&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26472548&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 26, 2012, 10:12:04 pm
Ah, Rizzo power.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on January 27, 2012, 07:51:26 am
Wizzo?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on January 27, 2012, 01:50:32 pm

Pierre reportedly gets minor-league deal with Phillies; will compete with Scott Podsednik for fifth outfielder's spot.


http://twitter.com/CST_soxvan
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on January 27, 2012, 01:57:25 pm
That just made me laugh out loud.

It's like an extra grindy version of Spy vs. Spy.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 27, 2012, 04:04:11 pm
It's like an extra grindy version of Spy vs. Spy.

And THAT made me laugh out loud.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on January 27, 2012, 07:28:47 pm
Stem cell "treatment" is not banned in the United States.  That statement is totally inaccurate.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on January 28, 2012, 09:06:10 am
Interesting tidbit from Soxfest

General manager Ken Williams was understandably coy Friday night when asked by reporters and fans about the Chicago White Sox's interest in Cuban free agents Yoenis Cespedes, Jorge Soler and Gerardo Concepcion.

One high-ranking talent evaluator for an American League club scoffed at the suggestion that the Sox weren't that interested in Cespedes, the marquee player of the threesome.

"Remember what happened with (Dayan) Viciedo," said the executive, mindful that the Sox emerged as the winner for Viciedo with a four-year, $10 million contract over the likes of the New York Yankees, Boston and Cleveland.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-cuban-considerations-for-sox-20120128,0,1396808.story
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 28, 2012, 06:30:40 pm
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(http://vincentmuzik.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/23.jpg?w=655)

Mauer declares himself healthy, rarin' to go
Catcher ready to move forward after injury-riddled 2011


By Rhett Bollinger / MLB.com | 01/28/12 3:10 PM EST


MINNEAPOLIS -- After dealing with a range of injuries and illnesses that plagued him during the 2011 season, Joe Mauer said Saturday that his offseason has been going to plan and that he's fully healthy.

Mauer, looking like he's back at his normal playing weight, started baseball activities recently -- he's throwing and hitting off a tee -- and hasn't been bothered by his left knee. He had arthroscopic surgery on that knee last offseason, and tried to come back too quickly, which led to his well-documented case of bilateral leg weakness that forced him to miss 58 games early in the season.

"The knee's been feeling great," Mauer said during a TwinsFest appearance. "The last year and a half, just trying to compensate for that kind of took a toll on my whole body. I don't think it's going to be an issue. I'm feeling good, so I'm excited. This is the best I've felt in a long time. I'm excited about that."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120128&content_id=26497906&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120128&content_id=26497906&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 28, 2012, 06:47:32 pm
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Prince deal shows Ilitch's desire to win
Tigers owner thinks big to try to bring Detroit a championship


By Anthony Castrovince | MLB.com Columnist | 01/27/12 7:52 AM EST

DETROIT -- His baseball people were going over the various possibilities available to him in this late stage of the offseason, the assorted lineup scenarios that might exist without designated hitter Victor Martinez.

Tigers owner Mike Ilitch sat there and envisioned it all. Guys moving around the diamond, in and out of the DH spot, trying -- futilely, he figured -- to somehow account for the huge hole Martinez and his torn ACL had left behind.

"I got a little dizzy," Ilitch said Thursday.

Now, this is the part where a mid-market team without one of those gargantuan local television contracts and without a three-million attendance average would generally fill the gap as best it could with whatever budget ballplayer could be had. And truth be told, that's pretty much the route club president and general manager Dave Dombrowski planned to take.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26484376&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120126&content_id=26484376&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 28, 2012, 06:56:41 pm
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Fielder gives Tigers a title shot but deal is bad baseball sense

by Tom Veducci - Posted: Friday January 27, 2012 10:38AM ; Updated: Friday January 27, 2012 12:09PM

You have to admire the gusto of 82-year-old Tigers owner Mike Ilitch. When Ilitch wasn't happy with patchwork contingency plans about replacing Victor Martinez, he said he turned to GM Dave Dombrowski and said, "You know, I think we should go after Prince."

Dombrowski initially asked Prince Fielder's agent, Scott Boras, to consider a one-year deal and was rebuffed. One year became nine years very quickly -- the deal was on the table last Friday, or just four days after the MRI on Martinez's knee -- and Ilitch threw $214 million at Fielder, the no-brainer solution to replacing Martinez.

This was an ownership-driven, impulsive deal, which is why the Tigers will contend for a World Series and why the contract makes poor baseball sense. Nothing drives an organizational culture like an owner who is consumed with actually winning the World Series, not just competing or making money.

more at:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/01/27/fielder.tigers.holliday/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/01/27/fielder.tigers.holliday/index.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on January 29, 2012, 07:31:19 pm
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Fielder gives Tigers a title shot but deal is bad baseball sense

I might have the wrong idea... isn't the whole point of fielding a team to try to field a team with a "title shot?"

Yes - the Fielder deal is one that the Tigers will regret in 7 years, but if they win a WS, wouldn't they have accomplished their goal?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on January 30, 2012, 10:40:04 am
"This was an ownership-driven, impulsive deal, which is why the Tigers will contend for a World Series and why the contract makes poor baseball sense. Nothing drives an organizational culture like an owner who is consumed with actually winning the World Series, not just competing or making money."

Yeah, what Joseph C said. Huh? Did the writer go back and re-read what he wrote?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on January 31, 2012, 12:42:07 pm
The fall of the Yankees begins:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/yankees-hire-jim-hendry.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 31, 2012, 02:47:43 pm
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Tigers’ Victor Martinez has first of two season-ending knee surgeries

he Detroit Tigers already knew they would be without DH Victor Martinez for the 2012 season, but the damage to his left knee was even worse than initially expected.

The Detroit News reports Martinez had microfracture surgery this past Friday and won’t be ready to have his torn ACL repaired for another 6-8 weeks. The injury originally was reported to be a torn ACL.

"We knew from the beginning there probably was collateral damage,” Tigers trainer Kevin Rand told the newspaper.

read more:  http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/feed/2012-01/fantasy-baseball-12/story/tigers-victor-martinez-has-first-of-two-season-ending-knee-surgeries (http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/feed/2012-01/fantasy-baseball-12/story/tigers-victor-martinez-has-first-of-two-season-ending-knee-surgeries)


 

 
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 31, 2012, 03:25:53 pm
Pablo Ozuna is still playing baseball:

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Dirks gets to play hero as Leones win crown
Tigers outfielder helps Escogido clinch title in Dominican Republic


Dominican Winter League

Escogido 6, Cibaenas 5

Detroit Tigers outfielder Andy Dirks set the stage for an exciting Caribbean Series on Monday when his late-game heroics helped the Leones clinch the Dominican Winter League championship in dramatic fashion. The former eighth-round Draft pick plated the tying run with a sacrifice fly in the eighth inning and he delivered a walk-off RBI single with two outs in the bottom of the ninth in the final game of the best-of-9 set.

Mauro Gomez smacked a solo homer and Pablo Ozuna reached base safely three times, plated a run and scored once in the triumph. Fernando Rodney (Rays) earned his second win of the Championship Series, despite blowing the lead in the top of the ninth. Aneury Rodriguez (Astros) earlier pitched 3 2/3 scoreless innings of relief of Jordan Norberto (A's), who surrendered four runs over 3 1/3 innings.

more at: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120130&content_id=26520718&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120130&content_id=26520718&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


 
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 02, 2012, 05:35:36 am
A call to adopt the DH Rule in both leagues:

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Can't argue against the DH anymore
Time to get on same page and end pitchers' feebleness at plate


By Lyle Spencer | MLB.com Columnist | 01/31/12 3:13 PM EST

Tom Brady and Eli Manning playing safety on Super Sunday, knocking down passes as well as throwing them?

It sounds ludicrous, but there was a time, three or four generations ago, when quarterbacks played defense too. All players were double-duty guys. Whatever those 60-minute men were making, it wasn't enough.

The point is, times -- and games -- change, sometimes dramatically. So do the people who follow them with religious fervor. Just as nobody wants to see Brady and Manning making tackles, nobody is interested in a 3-0 game.

Offense is what puts fannies in seats and lifts them out of them. Remember the popular and politically incorrect commercial with the "chicks dig the long ball" theme? It was only partially accurate. Everyone digs the long ball -- men, women and children, the one percent and the 99 percent.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120131&content_id=26527334&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120131&content_id=26527334&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 02, 2012, 09:12:46 am
politically incorrect commercial with the "chicks dig the long ball" theme

Deuche.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 02, 2012, 04:09:33 pm
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Nationals agree with Jackson on one-year deal
Right-hander won 12 games last year; will pitch for seventh team


By Bill Ladson / MLB.com | 02/02/12 2:40 PM EST


WASHINGTON -- The Nationals have agreed to terms on a one-year deal with Edwin Jackson, pending a physical.

Jackson, 28, went a combined 12-9 with a 3.79 ERA last season with the White Sox and Cardinals. Jackson registered a double-digit win total for the fourth consecutive season. He is one of only 23 starting pitchers who can currently make that claim. In the same four seasons, Jackson is one of 20 starters to average at least 12 wins and 200 innings per year.

Jackson has been in the league for nine years and has a career record of 60-60 with a 4.46 ERA with the Rays, Dodgers, White Sox, D-backs, Cardinals and Tigers. Jackson's best moment came on June 2, 2010, when he pitched a no-hitter as a member of the D-backs against the Rays.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120202&content_id=26551880&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120202&content_id=26551880&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 02, 2012, 04:28:36 pm
Time is getting short for KW getting his head out of his rectum and get some players in here. The outfield will be a sieve.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 03, 2012, 12:04:45 am
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Josh Hamilton Relapses?

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7535200/texas-rangers-outfielder-josh-hamilton-relapse-alcohol

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2012/02/source-rangers-josh-hamilton-h.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 03, 2012, 12:12:35 am
Seems like a relatively cheap contract if this kid develops.  Otherwise it's a Joe Borchard-like waste:

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Cubs sign Cuban left-hander Concepcion

By Dave van Dyck, Tribune reporter - 6:54 p.m. CST, February 2, 2012

The Cubs have signed left-handed pitcher Gerardo Concepcion to a reported $7 million multi-year, major league contract.

Concepcion, 19, defected from Cuba in the Netherlands after being named rookie of the year for the Cuban national team. He will be invited to spring training, but is not expected to make the rotation. The Tribune first reported the team's interest in him during December's winter meetings.

more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-cubs-sign-cuban-lefthander-concepcion-20120202,0,92949.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-cubs-sign-cuban-lefthander-concepcion-20120202,0,92949.story)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 03, 2012, 12:38:41 am
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Police: Woman extorted Brian Cashman

By JOSE MARTINEZ, JEANE MACINTOSH and DAN MANGAN

 A Manhattan woman with a long history of harassment and trespassing was held on $200,000 bail last night for allegedly stalking and shaking down Yankee general manager Brian Cashman.

Louise Neathway, 35, who also goes by the last name Meanwell, claimed in an interview with a sports Web site that she was having an affair with the married GM.

“The defendant extorted $6,000 from the victim and attempted to extort more than $15,000,” prosecutor Eric Iverson said.

She told him that she needed the money for an unspecified medical procedure and that if he didn’t pay, she “would contact the press and informant’s family and assert facts that would subject [him] to ridicule and damage his personal relationships and professional reputation,” the criminal complaint says.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/woman_who_allegedly_stalked_yankees_EaOTii2gselfgcuc9glCoM (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/woman_who_allegedly_stalked_yankees_EaOTii2gselfgcuc9glCoM)


 

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 03, 2012, 10:37:15 am
who also goes by the last name Meanwell

There's a joke in there somewhere
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 03, 2012, 10:48:48 am
Yes, a clean, Col. Potter-like joke I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2012, 01:58:38 pm
Concepcion was the guy I wanted the Sox to sign. Oh well
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 03, 2012, 02:00:31 pm
That Cashman story is quite a "HOT" stove topic.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 03, 2012, 03:34:46 pm

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If anyone here is interested in watching some live baseball, the Caribbean Series is being streamed at http://www.espn3.com (http://www.espn3.com) right now.  Mexico is leading Puerto Rico 2-0 headed into the top of the 7th inning.  The Dominican Republic plays Venezuela at 4:45PM CT on the same station.  The games are also telecast on ESPN Desportes on cable/satellite. The series continues through the middle of next week.  Brush up on your Spanish as there isn't an English telecast available.

http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20468/ten-to-watch-at-caribbean-series (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20468/ten-to-watch-at-caribbean-series)







Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 03, 2012, 03:42:12 pm
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'Pandemonium' expected for Caribbean Series
Excitement, patriotism to fill stands in Dominican tournament


By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 01/31/12 10:50 AM EST


Cleveland manager Manny Acta, a longtime veteran of the Dominican Winter League, was asked to describe this week's Caribbean Series in the Dominican Republic, and the first word to come out of his mouth said it all.

"Pandemonium," Acta said. "I've been part of it before, and it's a great opportunity for baseball. It's real competitive baseball, especially when it's played back home in the D.R."

The 2012 Caribbean Series, the annual round-robin tournament featuring the Winter League champions from the Dominican Republic, Mexico, Puerto Rico and Venezuela, starts Thursday with the first of six consecutive days of doubleheaders at Estadio Quisqueya in Santo Domingo.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120131&content_id=26523848&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120131&content_id=26523848&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Also:  http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/winterleagues/league.jsp?league=cs&y=2011 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/winterleagues/league.jsp?league=cs&y=2011)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 03, 2012, 03:48:26 pm
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Prince deal will impact other first basemen
Reds face challenge with Votto; Royals should try to ink Hosmer


By Anthony Castrovince | MLB.com Columnist | 02/03/12 10:00 AM EST


The repercussions of the Prince Fielder contract don't just involve Miguel Cabrera's potentially problematic transition to third base or the Tigers' prominent payroll commitments to three designated-hitter types.

The impact extends to other clubs, as well. And the Reds and Royals are right at the top of that list.

Yes, Albert Pujols became the first $200 million first baseman this winter, but an 11-year track record that includes three MVP awards made that contract more predictable. Going into the offseason, Fielder's ability to command that kind of cash was in question, especially with the Yankees and Red Sox definitively out of the bidding.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120202&content_id=26559590&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120202&content_id=26559590&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 03, 2012, 10:24:55 pm
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Cubs unveil plans for new Dominican academy

By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 02/02/12 3:25 PM EST


SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- The Cubs are starting fresh in Latin America and making a big splash in the Dominican Republic.

At a news conference Thursday at El Embajador Hotel in the country's capital, Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts and members of his family, pitcher Carlos Marmol, shortstop Starlin Castro and a contingent of club personnel unveiled renderings of a new academy that will be constructed over the next two years.

"It's about doing everything we can to be the best organization in baseball, and you can't be the best organization in baseball unless you have a strong presence in the Dominican and a strong presence in Latin America," Ricketts said. "Obviously, Latin America is very important to us. We feel we have a great director [of Latin American scouting] in Jose Serra, and we feel we have great scouts, coaches and great trainers. Soon, we will have a great facility for those people to work in, plus take care of all those players that come into the academy."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120202&content_id=26549778&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120202&content_id=26549778&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 04, 2012, 09:28:15 am
Why isnt Uncle Jer doing something like that?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 04, 2012, 02:58:52 pm

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Dominican showcase takes new approach

By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 02/03/12 9:56 PM EST


BOCA CHICA, Dominican Republic -- A large group of eager teenagers took their first step toward their big league dreams and Major League Baseball took another step forward in Latin America on the first day of the Venezuela-Dominican Republic Showcase on Friday at the Mets complex.

"The goal was to get all of the best talent in the Dominican Republic competing against all of the best talent in Venezuela and to try to create a compact and convenient format for all of the clubs and all of the scouts to come evaluate these players," said Kim Ng, senior vice president of baseball operations for Major League Baseball. "To get all of this in two days is big for everybody."

Twenty-five prospects from each country displayed their skills in front of more than 200 big league scouts in a series of drills that included the 60-yard dash, infield, outfield and batting practice before wrapping up with a six-inning game. A doubleheader is scheduled for Saturday.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120203&content_id=26573074&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120203&content_id=26573074&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 06, 2012, 07:06:13 am
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Leones skipper Oberkfell magical once again

By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 02/05/12 9:13 PM EST


SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- The men that make up Leones de Escogido's rich history are among the most familiar figures in Latin American baseball.

Hall of Famer Juan Marichal played for the Dominican club, as did all three Alou brothers, Felipe, Matty and Jesus. David Ortiz, Sammy Sosa, Julio Franco, Octavio Dotel and Mario Soto all suited up in Escogido's red, white and black uniforms. Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez played his winter ball for the Leones.

Former Major League outfielder Moises Alou is the team's current general manager. But there is a new man making a name for himself with Escogido: former Major Leaguer and current manager Ken Oberkfell.

The locals refer to Oberkfell as "El Mago de los Leones," Spanish for "The Leones' magician" because of his mystifying success since taking over the club for the 2009-2010 season.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120205&content_id=26582426&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120205&content_id=26582426&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)





Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 06, 2012, 07:11:42 am
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Francisco Liriano lifts Escogido Leones

By Javier Maymi - ESPNdeportes.com

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Francisco Liriano walked four and struck out five while Andy Dirks drove in the game-winning run for the second consecutive night to lead the Dominican Republic's Escogido Leones to a 2-0 win over Mexico's Ciudad Obregon Yaquis in the Caribbean Series Sunday night.

Escogido clinched at least a share of the title with the win. Escogido's win puts its record at 4-0 with Obregon, the defending champion, dropping to 2-2, while Venezuela's Aragua Tigres and Puerto Rico's Mayaguez Indios are at 1-3 with two games to play.

If Escogido wins one of its remaining two games -- on Monday against Aragua or Tuesday against Mayaguez -- it will clinch its second Caribbean Series title in three years and become the first to do it at its home stadium since 2005. The Caribbean Series features the four champion clubs from the Caribbean winter leagues.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7544803/caribbean-series-francisco-liriano-andy-dirks-lift-dominican-republic-escogido-leones (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7544803/caribbean-series-francisco-liriano-andy-dirks-lift-dominican-republic-escogido-leones)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 06, 2012, 07:47:03 pm

Roy Oswalt is the last big-name free-agent starting pitcher left on the market and rumors abound:



(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-PLuMdFVd1OA/TYtMkaFg9vI/AAAAAAAAAx4/EP7BhAok2so/s1600/RoyO.header.jpg)

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Cards closing in on Roy Oswalt?
 
By Gordon Edes - ESPNBoston.com - Updated: January 28, 2012, 4:15 PM ET

Free-agent pitcher Roy Oswalt has elected to remain in the National League and is likely to sign with the St. Louis Cardinals "soon," a major league source said late Friday night.

Presumably, any agreement would be pending a physical for Oswalt, who has a history of back problems.

"It's not yet 100 percent," the source said.

On Saturday, Cardinals GM John Mozeliak wrote in an email to ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick, "These are just rumors, and nothing more."

Oswalt, one of the last big-name free agents still on the market, had been ardently pursued by the Boston Red Sox, among others. Another team reportedly in the mix for Oswalt was the Texas Rangers, while CBSSports.com reported late Friday night that Oswalt had rejected an offer from the Detroit Tigers.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7512382/source-roy-oswalt-likely-sign-st-louis-cardinals-soon (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7512382/source-roy-oswalt-likely-sign-st-louis-cardinals-soon)



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GM: No meetings with Roy Oswalt

By Gordon Edes - ESPNBoston.com - Updated: February 1, 2012, 10:29 PM ET


BOSTON -- Red Sox general manager Ben Cherington said Wednesday night that it is unlikely the team will add a starting pitcher in the near future despite a source saying earlier in the day that Boston "had a great chance" to sign free agent Roy Oswalt.

"I wouldn't rule out adding a starter, but it's unlikely at this point,'' Cherington said Wednesday before a "town hall" meeting at Worcester Technical High School that was taped for airing Thursday on NESN.

Earlier Wednesday, a major league source said Oswalt still has not decided where he will pitch next season and that the Red Sox "had a great chance" of signing him. The same source had indicated late Friday night that Oswalt would be signing with the St. Louis Cardinals "soon."

more at:  http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7528920/boston-red-sox-gm-adding-starting-pitcher-unlikely (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7528920/boston-red-sox-gm-adding-starting-pitcher-unlikely)





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Roy Oswalt Rumors: Reds Have Discussed Oswalt

Feb 6th by Blaine Blontz


This weekend we found that the delay in a Roy Oswalt signing may have opened the market for other interested clubs.  While Oswalt is known to favor joining the Rangers or Cardinals, it was reported that the Red Sox and Phillies may still be eyeing the right-hander, and initially the Reds were included in that mix as well.  John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer confirmed last night that the Reds have been discussing Oswalt.

Reds general manager Walt Jocketty told Fay that Cincinnati held discussions with Oswalt and his representation “a while ago”.  Fay translates this to mean the Reds have not had contact with Oswalt in nearly a week, and the last Jocketty heard the veteran was heading to Texas.  Jocketty said this was how the market for Oswalt was shaping up last Monday, though he admitted that he didn’t know if a deal is still in place.

more at:  http://calltothepen.com/2012/02/06/roy-oswalt-rumors-reds-have-discussed-oswalt/ (http://calltothepen.com/2012/02/06/roy-oswalt-rumors-reds-have-discussed-oswalt/)




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 06, 2012, 08:11:47 pm


SI.com's MLB Power Rankings

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/joe_lemire/02/01/offseason.power.rankings/index.html?sct=mlb_wr_a2 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/joe_lemire/02/01/offseason.power.rankings/index.html?sct=mlb_wr_a2)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 06, 2012, 09:22:36 pm
Well what do you know. Surprise, the Sox arent last, just 23rd. Even KC and the Pirates are higher
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 06, 2012, 09:55:39 pm
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Escogido Leones wins Caribbean title

By Javier Maymi - ESPNdeportes.com - Updated: February 6, 2012, 9:15 PM ET

SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Sometimes you win by losing as the Escogido Leones were soundly defeated Monday by Venezuela's Aragua Tigres, 7-0, but still clinched the Caribbean Series title.

Going into Monday's action, Escogido was 4-0 in the round robin format while Mexico's Ciudad Obregon Yaquis was 2-2 with Aragua and Puerto Rico's Mayaguez Indios lagging each at 1-3. However, Obregon lost to Mayaguez in the early game to play itself out of contention going into Monday's final day.

The Caribbean Series, which is celebrating its 54th edition this year, pits the champion team from each of the four winter leagues.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7548775/escogido-leones-falls-wins-caribbean-title (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7548775/escogido-leones-falls-wins-caribbean-title)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 07, 2012, 09:09:39 am
(@SI.com's MLB Power Rankings)

Notable additions: None

Ha, they're the only one.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on February 07, 2012, 09:43:37 am
They forgot to list Juan Pierre as an addition by subtraction.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on February 07, 2012, 10:04:01 am
Heh
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 07, 2012, 04:36:46 pm


2012 Spring Training Reporting Dates

http://springtrainingonline.com/features/reporting-dates.htm (http://springtrainingonline.com/features/reporting-dates.htm)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 07, 2012, 04:42:05 pm

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Cespedes to meet with Marlins on Wednesday
Cuban defector expected to visit with other teams while in U.S.


By Joe Frisaro and Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 02/07/12 1:30 PM EST

 
MIAMI -- Cuban sensation Yoenis Cespedes has received a travel visa and is scheduled to meet with the Miami Marlins on Wednesday, according to sources.

The free-agent outfielder was to leave the Dominican Republic and arrive in Miami on Tuesday. He and his agent, Adam Katz of Wasserman Media Group, will meet with Marlins officials, after which Cespedes is expected to remain in the United States for about a week to meet with other teams and undergo physicals given by his agency.

Despite being declared a free agent on Jan. 25, the 26-year-old Cespedes, who established temporary residency in the Dominican Republic in January, has not been legally cleared by the U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control, Katz told MLB Network Radio earlier this week. A source confirmed on Tuesday that the slugger had not yet been "unblocked" by the OFAC.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120207&content_id=26595406&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120207&content_id=26595406&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 07, 2012, 06:30:49 pm
Be it duly noted that those statistics that Cespedes had last year in Cuba, that their league was using a juiced up ball, which they wont be using here in the USA.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 07, 2012, 07:17:08 pm

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Caribbean Series looks ahead to Mexico in '13
Confederation hopes to bring Cuba back to tournament


By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 02/07/12 7:16 PM EST


SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic -- Plans for the next big fiesta in baseball are already under way.

The 2013 Caribbean Series will be held in Hermosillo, Mexico, approximately 175 miles from the U.S., and the teams from the Dominican Republic, Mexico, Puerto Rico and Venezuela could have company.

Juan Francisco Puello, commissioner of the Caribbean Confederation, is leading a delegation to Cuba next month to present a proposal to sports authorities in an effort to bring that country back to the Caribbean Series.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120207&content_id=26604226&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120207&content_id=26604226&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on February 08, 2012, 08:09:52 am
Be it duly noted that those statistics that Cespedes had last year in Cuba, that their league was using a juiced up ball, which they wont be using here in the USA.

If that's true, combined with the amount of money he's going to demand, it's probably best if the Sox stayed away and let someone else take that ****.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on February 08, 2012, 08:55:15 am
Why is the word "g a m b le" censored? That's all I said in my previous post!
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 08, 2012, 09:07:14 am
alcohol

heroin

sex

chocolate

shopping

Let's see if any of these other addictive things get censored.

EDIT: Nope.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 08, 2012, 09:22:43 am
Be it duly noted that those statistics that Cespedes had last year in Cuba, that their league was using a juiced up ball, which they wont be using here in the USA.

If that's true, combined with the amount of money he's going to demand, it's probably best if the Sox stayed away and let someone else take that ****.

I agree. The report I saw said they used the Mazuno 150 ball and said this year they were changing to Mazuno 200. Then you add in the poor showing in the Dominican League further amplifies the question as to whether the guy can hit major league pitching, ever. And the current trio will be lucky to hit .250 this year. Viciedo, DeAza and Rios arent going to scare any pitching staff. It reminds me of the hitless wonders of 59, but at least they could field
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 08, 2012, 04:34:58 pm

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From Ozzie to Bobby V, eyes are on skippers
Ten managers who will encounter challenges in new season


By Paul Hagen / MLB.com | 02/08/12 9:59 AM EST

For every team going into Spring Training, the goal is the same.

For each manager, the task is unique.

Here, then, is a look at the five managers in each league who face the most interesting challenges going into the 2012 season:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120208&content_id=26607630&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 08, 2012, 04:41:41 pm
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Blue Jays poised to be AL East's newest beast
Toronto stockpiles talent, following blueprint that worked for Rays


By Lyle Spencer | MLB.com Columnist | 02/08/12 10:00 AM EST


Armed with uncommon vision and long-term decision making, the Tampa Bay Rays have bucked huge budgetary odds to compete on even terms with the American League East titans.

This should hearten Toronto's Blue Jays, who are showing signs of following the Rays' enlightened lead in becoming viable competition for the monoliths in Boston and the Bronx.

A big winter splash with Yu Darvish or Prince Fielder would have been wonderful, mind you, but the Blue Jays have reason to be chirping softly nonetheless. It's not as if the Rays, after all, have been known for making blockbuster winter headlines with high-priced acquisitions.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120208&content_id=26607032&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120208&content_id=26607032&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 08, 2012, 04:45:47 pm
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(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2012/01/1c953a2ec69294a2e4a53af4451446f7.jpg)

Harper confident he can make club this spring
No. 1 overall pick in 2010 has backing of Nationals manager


By Bill Ladson / MLB.com | 02/07/12 4:04 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- Nationals manager Davey Johnson has said this offseason that he would like general manager Mike Rizzo to keep an open mind when it comes to outfielder Bryce Harper making the 2012 Opening Day roster.

Johnson believes Harper, 19, can be the Opening Day right fielder if the team decides to move Jayson Werth to center field.

"But I think that the main thing is ... could he handle it mentally? And I think in his mind, he's already figuring to be starting on the club, if you ask him," Johnson said recently about Harper. "And I haven't talked to him, but I know that he's done everything in his whole life to succeed at a higher level and compete with the best. But I think [Harper is] pretty mature. I don't look at him age-wise, as I probably should."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120207&content_id=26600122&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120207&content_id=26600122&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 08, 2012, 04:50:59 pm

(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2012/02/medium_169_1e28fe075d054043b404589a7d3b5582.jpg)

Source: Someone Tried To Sell A Dallas TV Station A Josh Hamilton Sex Tape From The Night Of His Relapse

Someone is shopping a videotape allegedly showing Texas Rangers outfielder Josh Hamilton, on the night of his recent relapse, having sex in the bathroom of Sherlock's, a Dallas bar. A local television station was offered the tape for $41,000, an employee at the station tells us. The station declined, and we're told no one there actually watched the tape.

more at:  http://deadspin.com/5883427/source-someone-tried-to-sell-a-dallas-tv-station-a-josh-hamilton-sex-tape-from-the-night-of-his-relapse (http://deadspin.com/5883427/source-someone-tried-to-sell-a-dallas-tv-station-a-josh-hamilton-sex-tape-from-the-night-of-his-relapse)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on February 08, 2012, 07:25:34 pm
Hah!!  That is so funny SoxRule.  Perhaps they think there are bookies lurking.  What a hoot!
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 09, 2012, 10:21:08 am
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/custom/business/blog/2012/02/playstation_gives_glimpse_of_g.html

Freeze it at tha 1:00 mark.

Does the new Marlins stadium really have this curly-Q wall feature (to the right of that stupid fish thing) that is actually in play?   Ugh... that is awful.   "Arena baseball", just like Houston.

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 09, 2012, 11:36:54 am
If so, it looks like it's possible that an outfielder might have to go into that little nook to retrieve a ball and then run it out a few feet before making a throw. This reminds me of wiffle ball pickup games we used to play in our hood.

It's also as gay as a wiffle ball helmet.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Fury on February 09, 2012, 01:55:16 pm
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Eyewitnesses reported seeing Hamilton go into the restroom with a woman while an employee of the restaurant blocked the entrance...

Hmmm.  Josh has a wingman, I guess.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 09, 2012, 02:56:03 pm
Yankees invite 27 players to 2012 Spring Training

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2012/02/yankee-invite-27-players-to-2012-spring-training (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/yankees/2012/02/yankee-invite-27-players-to-2012-spring-training)

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DeWayne Wise, 33, owns a .219 (180-for-821) career batting average with 32 doubles, 22 home runs and 82 RBI in 445 games over parts of nine seasons with Toronto (2000-02, '10-11), Atlanta (2004), Cincinnati (2006-07), Chicago-AL (2008-09) and Florida (2011). Overall, he appeared in 69 combined games at the Major League level in 2011 with the Marlins and Blue Jays. He has appeared in all three outfield positions during his Major League career, combining for a .988 fielding percentage (509 total chances/six errors).  Wise was originally selected by Cincinnati in the fifth round of the 1997 First-Year Player Draft.

INF Jayson Nix, 29, owns a career .207 (161-for-778) batting average with 33 doubles, 30 home runs and 84 RBI in 264 games over parts of four seasons with Colorado (2008), Chicago-AL (2009-10), Cleveland (2010) and Toronto (2011). In 2011, he made the Blue Jays' Opening Day roster and appeared in 46 games with the club, batting .169 (23-for-136) with four home runs and 16 RBI. In 41 games with Triple-A Las Vegas, he batted .270 (44-for-163) with eight home runs and 29 RBI. Nix was a member of the bronze-medal winning 2008 U.S. Olympic Baseball Team in Beijing, China and was originally selected by Colorado in Compensation Round A of the 2003 First-Year Player Draft.




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: aka Loveland on February 09, 2012, 08:25:39 pm
Somebody's gonna target shoot at the spinny thing next to the nook.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 10, 2012, 08:44:34 pm
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(http://l.yimg.com/iu/api/res/1.2/o7As8uOUIQHCdDiJR7z_RQ--/YXBwaWQ9eXZpZGVvO2NyPTA7ZHg9MDtkeT0wO2ZpPXVsY3JvcA--/http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/ipt/mlb_marlins_guillen_loria.jpg)

Win or lose, Ozzie Guillen’s Marlins will entertain

By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports - Feb 4, 12:01 am EST


2011 record: 72-90
Finish: Fifth, NL East
2011 final payroll: $57.7 million
Estimated 2012 opening day payroll: $100 million
Yahoo! Sports’ offseason rank: 11th

Offseason Action

In the interest of self-preservation and relevance, and in the pursuit of profit (this time outside the game’s welfare system), Jeffrey Loria and the merry Marlins lit up the early hours of the winter meetings.

From a recent history of empty ballparks and embarrassing payrolls, and months after having been scolded for hoarding other people’s money, the Marlins became players.

To a new name, a new neighborhood, a new stadium, a new uniform, a new manager and the same old vibe, they added three premier free agents – shortstop Jose Reyes, starter Mark Buehrle and closer Heath Bell – before Christmas, at a cost of $191 million.

more at: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-brown_hot_stove_daily_miami_marlins_guillen_hanley_020312 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-brown_hot_stove_daily_miami_marlins_guillen_hanley_020312)





Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 10, 2012, 11:09:34 pm
Nice:


Marlins in Haiku
 
Please, my good Hanley
 Take, for the good of the team,
 Ten steps to your right
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 11, 2012, 05:34:42 pm
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(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2012-02/68011666.jpg)

Is there method to Marlins' spending madness?
Some believe plan is to drive up value of franchise for future sale


Phil Rogers On Baseball - 3:43 p.m. CST, February 11, 2012

With a flair for showmanship rarely seen outside the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show, the Marlins gave Yoenis Cespedes the full Albert Pujols treatment on Wednesday.

Also, upon arriving at Miami International Airport from the Dominican Republic, Cespedes said that "hopefully'' he would play for the Marlins, pointing out there are "a lot of Cubans (here) and they would support me a lot.'' So, case closed, right?

Wrong.

While conventional wisdom suggests the Marlins have supplanted the Cubs as front-runners for the Cuban prospect, the reality is these negotiations are like those that led to Prince Fielder signing with the Tigers. Developments beneath the surface, those that are kept private, will prove to be the most significant ones, not those for the benefit of television cameras and print reporters.

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/sc-spt-0212-notes-rogers-baseball--20120212,0,7134978,full.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/sc-spt-0212-notes-rogers-baseball--20120212,0,7134978,full.column)

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 11, 2012, 05:40:14 pm



(http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/photo/2011-07/63405005.jpg)

Cardinals sign ex-Sox reliever Linebrink

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-cardinals-sign-exsox-reliever-linebrink-20120210,0,5667732.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-cardinals-sign-exsox-reliever-linebrink-20120210,0,5667732.story)




Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 11, 2012, 07:21:52 pm
Thats a desperation move.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on February 13, 2012, 12:36:05 pm
Garland signs with Injuns:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/02/indians-agree-to-sign-jon-garland.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 13, 2012, 01:07:17 pm
That could be dangerous. He'd be tough on our sub-.250 OFs.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on February 13, 2012, 01:21:35 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AuflqD35C7ixtW18WbYWAXMRvLYF?slug=ap-athletics-cespedes

Cesepdes goes to the A's for 4 years, $36M.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 13, 2012, 01:39:12 pm
Good for him.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: Sophist on February 13, 2012, 05:37:59 pm
starting to think Soler is the better option, anyway.  go get him, Kenny.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 13, 2012, 07:49:44 pm
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A's land Cespedes with four-year contract
Power-hitting Cuban outfielder agrees to $36 million deal


By Jane Lee / MLB.com | 02/13/12 4:10 PM EST

OAKLAND -- Following a series of unpopular moves, the A's changed the course of their busy offseason on Monday, agreeing to terms with Cuban sensation Yoenis Cespedes for four years.

The 26-year-old outfielder is set to make $36 million during that time, MLB.com confirmed.

The deal, which won't be officially announced by the A's until Cespedes has taken a physical, precludes Oakland from offering him arbitration, meaning the outfielder will automatically become a free agent at the conclusion of the 2015 season.

more at:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120213&content_id=26674580&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120213&content_id=26674580&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)



Wow!  $9M per year for four years plus he becomes a free-agent after the 4 years.  No wonder he chose to sign with Oakland. Damn, the A's sure overpaid for his services.



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 13, 2012, 07:55:26 pm
(http://blogtoblogchamps.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/marlins.jpg)

Showtime to feature Marlins on 'The Franchise'

By Joe Frisaro / MLB.com | 02/13/12 4:45 PM EST


MIAMI -- Selling the Marlins on becoming the spotlight team of Showtime's reality-TV show "The Franchise" wasn't that difficult.

"We were approached," Marlins president David Samson said. "And they had me at hello."

Rebranded and reborn as the Miami Marlins, the organization has undergone a complete transformation. The Marlins have relocated to their retractable-roof ballpark in the Little Havana section of Miami. They've changed their logo and uniforms, upgraded their roster and hired one of the game's most entertaining managers in Ozzie Guillen.

more at:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120213&content_id=26674818&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120213&content_id=26674818&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 13, 2012, 09:11:26 pm
Overpaid for sure. Dont even know whether the kid can hit major league pitching either. No wonder why Kenny passed. Big question I ask is what if the kid falters, do they send him and pay him the 9 Mill to play in the minors?
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 13, 2012, 10:59:53 pm
Sweet.  I think I am going to try and catch an episode or two.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 14, 2012, 06:00:19 am
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(http://rumorsandrants.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Yoenis-Cespedes1.jpg)

Things to ask about Yoenis Cespedes

By Christina Kahrl - ESPN.com - February, 13, 2012 2:44PM ET

Everybody loves it when the mystery team swoops in, don’t they? Now that Yoenis Cespedes, the latest Cuban mega-prospect, has signed his four-year, $36 million deal with the Oakland Athletics, there are a few questions worth asking.

1. Why go to Oakland? After all, as Gertrude Stein said in reference to Oakland, “There is no there there,” and with the Texas Rangers and Los Angeles Angels ruling the roost, why would Cespedes freely choose to go to a second-division club? Because of the money, and here in the middle of February there isn’t a lot of unspent cash left floating around in the market. At this time of year, a lot of teams are publicly asserting they’re tapped out or already at or over budget. To the surprise of many, the A’s actually had the money to spend, but nobody expected them to jump in, especially when they’re bobbing around that bright line between being cheap and being on the union’s list of baddies when it comes to clubs potentially not spending their revenue-sharing cash on payroll.

His coming to Oakland might seem stranger still in light of his description as a five-tool center fielder, since the team's one major financial commitment this winter was to its veteran center fielder, Coco Crisp, for two years guaranteed at $13 million, with a 2014 club option for $7.5 million (with a $1 million buyout). Whatever you want to say about Crisp’s virtues, a large chunk of his value is tied up in his glove -- he won’t be an asset to a big league lineup playing regularly in a corner.

Cespedes is 26 years old, a guy smack-dab in the middle of his expected peak seasons, and he’s supposed to be good to go as a center fielder. He may have tied a single-season record for homers in Cuba, but when Dan Szymborski has projected him in a neutral park he’s topped out around 27 homers and a .445 SLG, which is nice, but the Coliseum is anything but a neutral park. Per Baseball Info Solutions’ three-year park factors, Oakland’s rating for homers gets scaled to 83 (with 100 representing average), but 91 for right-handed hitters. So take even that translation of Cespedes’ performance down a few pegs, and you have a great bat for a regular in center field, but maybe not so much in right.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20779/things-to-ask-about-yoenis-cespedes (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/20779/things-to-ask-about-yoenis-cespedes)






     


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on February 14, 2012, 08:08:15 am
starting to think Soler is the better option, anyway.  go get him, Kenny.

Sounds like the Cubs are about to sign him. And if the money they were supposed to be offering him were true (around $27M, I think), they can have him. I don't like the idea of throwing around that kind of money on a prospect that has a pretty good chance of being a bust, or maybe being a good player but nowhere near worth the contract (like Fukudome).
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 14, 2012, 09:18:19 am
Besides, its been said Soler isnt ready for the major leagues, like Viciedo wasnt either when signed. For the kind of money talked about the Cubs can have him. The Cubs are a minor league team anyways playing in a minor league division, so the signing seems to suit the situation
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 14, 2012, 11:04:16 am

Should [Cubs management] decide that the time is ripe for -- and they secure funds for -- a renovation of Wrigley Field, they could move their games across town to U.S. Cellular Field [in 2013], sources said. 
 
Cubs brass deny that plan is on the table.  "You are putting the cart before the horse,” one source said.  "There is no done deal,” said another.

Workers at U.S. Cellular tell a different story. They say they  are being warned of a much busier 2013 season (as in, prepare for double the games). Bridgeport bar owners tell a similar story.




http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Whither-the-2013-Cubs-139247408.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 14, 2012, 11:35:46 am
Um, you didn't warn us of the photo that pops up when you open that link BlackSox. Not cool. lulz
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 14, 2012, 11:43:47 am
I wanted it to be a surprise.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on February 14, 2012, 12:02:34 pm
Reading the comments from that article is priceless. You have Sox fans saying they don't want "cubbie stink" in their place and Cub fans ridiculing the only thing they have, attendance, saying the US Cellular doesn't know how to handle a sold out stadium consistently. And other Cub fans saying they don't want to go watch their beloved cubbies at white trash field.

So good, then they won't sell out the Cell if they don't want to go. What a nightmare that would be if that happens.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 14, 2012, 12:33:03 pm
The Comments Section:  a haven for meatball fans
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 14, 2012, 12:58:32 pm
youtube has the best comments sections- totally uncensored and pretty much unmoderated. People go nuts on each other
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 14, 2012, 10:50:34 pm
I see the desperate KW signs Flukedummy to be our 4th OFer. At he seems to be the most likely OFer to hit above .250
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on February 15, 2012, 08:34:40 am
He'll play good D and get on base at a .350ish clip. Not bad at all for a 4th OFer... I'll take it, especially at a commitment of $1M ($500K + $500K buyout)
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on February 15, 2012, 10:31:38 am
Besides, its been said Soler isnt ready for the major leagues, like Viciedo wasnt either when signed. For the kind of money talked about the Cubs can have him. The Cubs are a minor league team anyways playing in a minor league division, so the signing seems to suit the situation


LOL! Pot, meet kettle.

And Soler's 19, duh...
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: ISF on February 15, 2012, 12:08:29 pm
I think that's how old Viciedo was when we got him. Not sure though.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on February 15, 2012, 08:48:01 pm
He is likely our best leadoff hitter with that OBP.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: WshflThinking on February 15, 2012, 09:10:17 pm
He'll play good D and get on base at a .350ish clip. Not bad at all for a 4th OFer... I'll take it, especially at a commitment of $1M ($500K + $500K buyout)

That getting on base a .350 clip could be better than the 3 proclaimed starters. Viciedo is a huge questionmark. I have serious doubts he can hit major league pitching. Flukedummy may be a better all around player than the 3 starters which shows you the deplorable outfield KW wants us to endure.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: dave23 on February 16, 2012, 02:29:07 pm
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Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: joeconners on February 16, 2012, 02:42:53 pm
There are only so many ways to say "we're going to suck this year."
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: SoxRule on February 16, 2012, 02:56:42 pm
Looks like Maggs hasn't caught on with a team yet and will not accept anything less than a major league contract. He might want to look at Jermaine Dye and see how that worked out for him.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: BlackSox on February 16, 2012, 03:15:16 pm
There are only so many ways to say "we're going to suck this year."

мы собираемся сосать в этом году

Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 16, 2012, 04:07:41 pm
You know what, I'm going to feed that into google and see if that's what it says because I don't trust you BlackSox.

Ok, my bad. Yes it was as you implied it was.

tunakwenda Suck mwaka huu

Evidently the word for "suck" in Swahili is "Suck". . .they evidently think enough of it to capitalize it
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 17, 2012, 07:33:37 am
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La Russa to assist Tigers during spring camp
Former Cardinals manager will help in a non-official capacity


By Jason Beck / MLB.com | 02/16/12 7:15 PM EST


LAKELAND, Fla. -- Twelve years after Tony La Russa and the Cardinals helped give Jim Leyland a chance to stay involved in the game after Leyland's retirement as a manager, the Tigers are returning the nod.

La Russa, the longtime manager who retired after leading St. Louis to another World Series title last fall, will spend this Spring Training in camp with the Tigers in a non-uniform, non-official capacity. Leyland made the announcement while talking with reporters on Thursday after arriving at Joker Marchant Stadium.

"Tony's going to be down for a couple weeks," Leyland said. "He's going to work with Dave [Dombrowski] in the front office, and he's going over to Jupiter for a few days and then go out to Arizona for a few days. He will not be in uniform."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120216&content_id=26718272&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120216&content_id=26718272&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 17, 2012, 08:59:13 am
They're not going to let him expense his bar tabs, are they?


Ah, that never gets old.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 17, 2012, 03:59:55 pm
Sources: A.J. Burnett trade awaits OK

By Buster Olney - ESPN The Magazine - Updated: February 17, 2012, 4:48 PM ET

The Pirates and New York Yankees have agreed to a trade that would send right-hander A.J. Burnett to Pittsburgh and are awaiting approval from the commissioner's office Friday, sources said.

The Pirates will send right-handed reliever Diego Moreno and outfielder Exicardo Cayones to New York in return, sources said. Moreno, a 25-year-old from Venezuela, has split the past two seasons between the Class A and Double-A minor league teams. Cayones, who is 20, spent 2011 in Class A.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7585280/aj-burnett-trade-pittsburgh-pirates-new-york-yankees-agree-trade-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7585280/aj-burnett-trade-pittsburgh-pirates-new-york-yankees-agree-trade-sources-say)


Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 17, 2012, 04:37:17 pm
more info on the Yankees-Pirates trade:

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Pirates near deal to acquire Burnett

By Tom Singer / MLB.com | 02/17/12 3:27 PM EST

BRADENTON, Fla. -- Giving in enough to make the deal happen, but not enough to feel uncomfortable about it, the Pirates on Friday caught up with the veteran right arm they have chased for nearly a month.

Pittsburgh reeled in A.J. Burnett from the New York Yankees in exchange for outfielder Exicardo Cayones and right-handed reliever Diego Moreno. The penultimate act of the saga will be the approval of Commissioner Bud Selig, who has to sign off on the deal because it includes $20 million from the Bombers.

In other words, the Pirates absorbed $13 million of the two years and $33 million remaining on Burnett's contract. The annual commitment is considerably below the $10 million one-year offers the Bucs had made to a pair of free agents, Edwin Jackson and Roy Oswalt.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120217&content_id=26733138&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120217&content_id=26733138&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)



Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: msf on February 19, 2012, 08:09:31 am
Too f'ing funny, you mean good ole Jerry's good friend is going to work for our main competitor. We need new ownership.
Title: Re: Around Baseball: the off-season 2011-12 / Hot Stove League
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 20, 2012, 05:16:55 pm
With pitchers & catchers starting to report for spring training it's time to close this "off-season" thread. 

A new Around Baseball - 2012 topic will replace this one.
Title: Around Baseball - 2014
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 20, 2012, 05:19:15 pm
With pitchers & catchers starting to report for all 30 teams, it's time for a new Around Baseball  thread.

This is it.


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 20, 2012, 05:26:35 pm
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Prince center of attention on arrival
New Tigers acquisition takes BP with fellow slugger Miggy


By Jason Beck / MLB.com | 02/20/12 3:56 PM EST


LAKELAND, Fla. -- Prince Fielder said he never got to hit on the fields here when he was a kid and his father, Cecil, was a Tiger. Now he knows how it feels.

It can't possibly match the feeling the Tigers are getting about having him here.

Miguel Cabrera, the batting champion set to hit in front of Fielder, already was getting excited during their first session of batting practice Monday morning. As Fielder sent one shot after another out to right field and into the trees behind the Tigertown complex, breaking off a branch with one of his blasts, Cabrera was yelling like a fan at a home run derby.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 20, 2012, 05:31:32 pm
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Pujols arrives, embraces new season and team
Slugger says he's 'really excited' to be with Angels at camp


By Alden Gonzalez / MLB.com | 02/20/12 5:10 PM EST


TEMPE, Ariz. - When Albert Pujols reported to Angels camp for the first time on Monday, he arrived with three National League Most Valuable Player Awards, two World Series rings and one widely established reputation as the greatest player in baseball.

But that didn't help him make a good first impression with manager Mike Scioscia.

"I already got fined," Pujols said with a laugh. "My phone rang in the clubhouse."

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 20, 2012, 05:51:23 pm
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Rivera strongly implies this will be final season
Yankees closer says he's made decision and that it's 'irrevocable'


By Bryan Hoch / MLB.com | 02/20/12 1:53 PM EST


TAMPA, Fla. -- Mariano Rivera said on Monday that he has made a decision about his baseball future, and while the all-time saves leader wasn't ready to announce it, he strongly hinted that 2012 will be his final season.

Rivera, 42, said that he made his call within the past month. He cryptically attempted to mask the meaning of his words, but said that nothing that happens on the field in 2012 can change his mind.

"That will be my decision," Rivera said. "Even if I save 90 games, even if they want to pay as much money as they want to -- anything."

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 21, 2012, 06:27:24 am
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Mike Cameron to retire after 17 seasons
Outfielder signed minors deal with Nationals in December


By Amanda Comak - The Washington Times - Sunday, February 19, 2012

Mike Cameron spent parts of the last 17 years playing major league baseball. He was set to begin his 18th with the Washington Nationals but the 39-year-old outfielder decided instead to call it a career.

Cameron will retire before the 2012 season, the Nationals announced Sunday.

Cameron agreed to a minor league deal with the Nationals in December and was expected to compete for a spot in the outfield this spring, along with Rick Ankiel and Roger Bernadina. With the Nationals center field situation undecided, Cameron was going to have a good chance to be a part of a platoon or serve as a fourth outfielder and provide a veteran presence in the clubhouse.

continued at:  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/19/mike-cameron-retire-after-17-seasons/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/19/mike-cameron-retire-after-17-seasons/)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2012, 09:13:15 am
I heard it said Cameron was a top 5 CFer along with Mays etc. I was scratching my head over that. Cameron top 5? I sure dont think so.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on February 21, 2012, 09:37:24 am
Did they mean defense only?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 21, 2012, 09:55:42 am
Juan Pierre is "baby-faced" per David Murphy of the Philadelphia Daily News.

http://articles.philly.com/2012-02-20/sports/31079925_1_phillies-notebook-john-mayberry-ryan-howard

First known online photo of Juan Pierre in a Phillies uniform:

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on February 21, 2012, 12:14:19 pm
RE: Pujols picture ~5 posts above.

Looks like he joined Susanna Hoffs & company in The Bangels.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on February 21, 2012, 12:17:41 pm
Did they mean defense only?

I am not sure. I sure didnt take it that they said it that way.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: SoxRule on February 21, 2012, 12:45:08 pm
The Cubs and Red Sox finally agreed on their compensation issue, with the Cubs sending Boston Chris Carpenter and a PTBNL. Something this insignificant took this long to complete??

Also, the Cubs are getting a ptbnl from Boston because the transaction has to be player trade (according to Bruce Miles). But I don't understand that. The Cubs got Theo Epstein from Boston which is why they had to give something to them in the first place. Why did Boston have to send another player also?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 21, 2012, 01:29:30 pm
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Christ Charlie, just look at that baby-headed Negro rolling the ball down the phucking basepaths. Man, I hate n*****s.


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 21, 2012, 05:16:14 pm
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Hanley happily embraces Miami's new chapter
Three-time All-Star looks forward to helping Marlins win


By Joe Frisaro / MLB.com | 02/21/12 4:30 PM EST


JUPITER, Fla. -- If Hanley Ramirez was previously disgruntled about changing positions, the three-time All-Star didn't show it on the eve of the Marlins opening Spring Training.

Time has a way of smoothing things over.

It's allowed Ramirez a chance to relax, refocus and get ready for a bounce-back season.

Marlins pitchers and catchers begin workouts on Wednesday. At camp early, Ramirez was all smiles, and eager to put to rest any questions about how he will handle switching to third base.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 21, 2012, 05:20:17 pm
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Wedge: Ichiro will bat third this season
Figgins, Ackley in running to hit Nos. 1, 2 for Mariners


By Greg Johns / MLB.com | 02/21/12 5:15 PM EST


PEORIA, Ariz. -- After 11 seasons as one of the premier leadoff hitters in the game, Ichiro Suzuki will be moved to the third spot in the Mariners' lineup this season, manager Eric Wedge said on Tuesday.

Looking for an offensive spark for a team that has finished last in the American League in scoring three straight seasons, Wedge said Chone Figgins and Dustin Ackley will be the likely Nos. 1 and 2 hitters, respectively, in Seattle's lineup ahead of the 10-time All-Star.

"He's as smart a baseball player as we have in there, and he understands the game very well," Wedge said. "He understands what the responsibility and priorities are with somebody hitting third, and I'm trusting in that.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 21, 2012, 05:23:39 pm
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Darvish arrives, works out at Rangers camp
Japanese pitcher to hold first news conference Thursday


By T.R. Sullivan / MLB.com | 02/21/12 1:16 PM EST


SURPRISE, Ariz. -- Pitcher Yu Darvish arrived at Rangers Spring Training at 8:30 a.m. MST on Tuesday morning. There were about two dozen members of the Japanese media waiting for him behind a restraining rope, but he barely acknowledged them as he walked to the clubhouse.

Darvish went inside, got dressed and went out for his first workout in Rangers camp. He also mingled with some of the other pitchers as he began life as a Major League pitcher on a cool Arizona morning.

"He wants to learn English," Rangers pitcher Derek Holland said. "He doesn't know much, but he wants to learn. He's not stand-offish. He was right there with us. He wants to fit in. It won't be hard for him."

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 21, 2012, 05:27:55 pm

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For Reds and Tigers, the time to win is now
Investment in Fielder, potential departure of Votto loom large


By Anthony Castrovince | MLB.com Columnist | 02/21/12 11:00 AM EST


Be it by an aging owner shelling out an ungodly sum to acquire an available top-flight first baseman or a general manager dealing his depth to build a winner around a soon-to-be-available top-flight first baseman, the Tigers and Reds were among the Major Leagues' most combative clubs this winter.

Prince Fielder is in Detroit because of Mike Ilitch's itchy trigger finger in the wake of Victor Martinez's knee causing a need, and the ticking time bomb that is Joey Votto's service-time clock compelled Reds GM Walt Jocketty to cut ties with some of his more highly regarded reserves in order to prop up the present.

For both clubs, the landscapes of their divisions only added to the allure of this aggression. And the Hot Stove headlines they made will surely make them sexy picks of the prognosticators.

more at:  http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120220&content_id=26771550&vkey=news_det&c_id=det (http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120220&content_id=26771550&vkey=news_det&c_id=det)




Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on February 21, 2012, 06:13:17 pm
Still laughing at Jeters post with Manual/Thome
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 22, 2012, 07:17:03 am
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Report: Abreu would prefer to be traded

By Alden Gonzalez / MLB.com | 02/21/12 7:15 PM EST


TEMPE, Ariz. -- Bobby Abreu is apparently giving the Angels an ultimatum. The veteran slugger, now without a set role on the Angels with so many other candidates at designated hitter, told ESPNdeportes.com on Tuesday that if he isn't playing regularly, he prefers to be traded.

But Angels general manager Jerry Dipoto, who spoke to him a couple of weeks ago, said the two-time All-Star hasn't communicated those sentiments to him or manager Mike Scioscia, and that the comments won't influence his approach with Abreu.

"I spoke to Bobby a little more than a week ago, I'd say -- a week, 10 days ago -- and walked through his current situation, and Mike has had very similar conversations," Dipoto said. "So, Bobby is aware of the circumstances, he's aware of the people on the roster. We do see a fit for Bobby on this club, he's aware of where that fit is. It's not something that we're going to play it [out] in the media. ... Whether it's an ultimatum that's been issued, he has no right to do that."

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 22, 2012, 07:23:57 am
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Anderson happy with career-altering decision
Sox former first-round pick excited about his future on the mound


By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 02/17/12 5:00 PM EST


CHICAGO -- The decision was already made, but Brian Anderson still traveled to Terry Bross' house to discuss his planned move from the outfield to the pitcher's mound.

At that point, Bross, Anderson's representative, tried to talk him out of the change.

"I did try to talk him out of it," said Bross. "But at the end of the day, I just felt like Brian was not happy. He came over to my house, and we sat down on the couch and I said, 'Listen dude, at some point you need to be happy. If you really are not happy -- and not happy as a fourth outfielder -- and feel your future is as a pitcher, who am I to tell you what to do? I think it's a mistake. But if you do it, let's move forward and not look back.'

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on February 22, 2012, 07:28:50 am
There's a joke in here somewhere about missing the cut-off man....
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 22, 2012, 07:34:52 am
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Morneau needs medical clearance to play

By Rhett Bollinger / MLB.com | 02/21/12 3:11 PM EST


FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Twins general manager Terry Ryan confirmed that first baseman Justin Morneau will have to be medically cleared to return to action because Morneau ended last season on the disabled list with concussion-like symptoms.

It's part of Major League Baseball's new rules regarding concussions set in place last season. Dr. Gary Green, MLB's medical director, must make a formal approval before Morneau is cleared to return to the field, and Morneau also has to sign off that he's healthy.

But Ryan said that Morneau -- who is only one of four players not in camp yet prior to Thursday's official report date -- is feeling fine and the club doesn't expect any problems getting him cleared. There's no reason to think this is anything other than just paperwork, but we can't do anything until Justin Morneau signs off," Ryan said.

more at:  http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120221&content_id=26781492&notebook_id=26781494&vkey=notebook_min&c_id=min (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120221&content_id=26781492&notebook_id=26781494&vkey=notebook_min&c_id=min)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 06:38:19 am
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Rangers sign Cotts to Minor League deal

By T.R. Sullivan / MLB.com | 02/20/12 11:18 AM EST


SURPRISE, Ariz. -- The Rangers have signed left-handed reliever Neal Cotts to a Minor League contract. He will not be in Major League camp, but he will report to the Minor League side.

Cotts has not pitched in the Major Leagues since 2009, when he pitched for the Cubs. He underwent Tommy John surgery and was placed on the disabled list on July 2, 2009. He has also had some recent issues with his hip.

Cotts, 31, has pitched in 284 games in the Majors with the White Sox and the Cubs, and he is 10-12 with a 4.63 ERA. He has 279 relief appearances and five starts.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120220&content_id=26760968&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120220&content_id=26760968&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 06:45:27 am
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Royals expect to compete for AL Central title
Optimism abounds as young, talented club prepares for season


By Dick Kaegel / MLB.com | 02/22/12 2:14 PM EST


SURPRISE, Ariz. -- These are heady times for the Kansas City Royals. A young team brimming with bright, fresh talent finished strong last year. Kauffman Stadium will host the 2012 All-Star Game. Fans seem energized by the team's potential and promise.

In the Spring Training camp at Surprise, so are the players.

"It's a big year for the Royals," designated hitter Billy Butler said. "We have expectations and we're expected to finish a lot better than any year I've been here. So it's exciting and it means we're preparing to play for the American League Central [title], and anything less is unsatisfactory, so how can it not be exciting? We have the talent to do it. We know what team we have to go through -- that's Detroit. Not downgrading anybody in the American League Central but we're the next team, right behind Detroit."

more at:  http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120222&content_id=26801280&vkey=news_kc&c_id=kc (http://kansascity.royals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120222&content_id=26801280&vkey=news_kc&c_id=kc)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 07:27:33 am

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'Heartwarming' story of Howard, Thome

Sam Donnellon, Daily News Sports Columnist


CLEARWATER, Fla. - They stood side by side again yesterday, the Big Piece and the man who 9 years ago kick-started the drastic change this once-downtrodden franchise has undergone. Once, Ryan Howard's promise ushered an aging Jim Thome out the door. Now, doubts about Howard's balky Achilles' has added weight to the offseason signing of his predecessor at first base, has once again laced their fates together.

And so, as they stood next to each other this week, taking grounders at first one day, hitting in the batting cage yesterday, one man looking a little heavier than when the season ended and another looking slightly slimmer, well, it was just impossible not to think how this could all play out - how "cool" it might turn out to be, as Howard said yesterday when asked about being reunited with the man he replaced in 2005.

"It's funny because when I heard we had signed him back this offseason, I was like, 'Man, everything kind of comes around full circle,' " Howard was saying. "I was excited for it."

continued at:  http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/sam_donnellon/20120223_Sam_Donnellon___Heartwarming__story_of_Howard__Thome.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/sam_donnellon/20120223_Sam_Donnellon___Heartwarming__story_of_Howard__Thome.html)


 
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 07:42:47 am


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Rays to give away 'Zim Bear' at June game

If you've ever wondered what 81-year-old Tampa Bay Rays assistant coach Don Zimmer would look like as a ballplaying bear, we're sorry to hear that. But fortunately for you — and thanks to the Rays — we also have the answer to your question.

The Rays this week released their 2012 promotional schedule, and before Tampa Bay's June 29 home game against the Detroit Tigers, the team will be handing out "Zim Bears" to fans in attendance.

What is a Zim Bear, you ask? Well, as terrifying as it may seem — this is your cue to put away the little ones — it's exactly what it sounds like. Zim Bear is a fuzzy teddy bear wearing a cute Rays jersey, an adorable cotton Rays cap and Zimmer's gigantic plastic face.

The not-so-cuddly little creature is a must-have for every Rays fan, and it's been rumored that Zim Bear's piercing blue eyes also can ward off an army of Pedro Martinez bobbleheads.

more at:  http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/02/22/12/Rays-to-give-away-Zim-Bear-at-June-game/landing_rays.html?blockID=671462&feedID=3603 (http://www.foxsportsflorida.com/02/22/12/Rays-to-give-away-Zim-Bear-at-June-game/landing_rays.html?blockID=671462&feedID=3603)





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Post by: joeconners on February 23, 2012, 07:49:32 am
That just might be the creepiest thing I"ve ever seen as a giveaway.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 07:52:54 am
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The Baltimore Orioles Have Pissed Off Korea

This fresh-faced young man is Kim Seong-Min, who as recently as last month was a regular high school student in South Korea. But he's a lefty pitcher, which automatically makes him one of the most desirable people on Earth, and the Orioles swooped in to cause an international incident and get their organization banned from an entire country. This is not normally how a rebuilding process goes, O's fans.

The Orioles signed Kim, and new GM Dan Duquette called him"one of the top amateur left-handed pitchers in South Korea" who has "an excellent curveball and very good control." They paid him a cool half-million dollars, and Kim was to report to Orioles spring training this week.

We have long since passed the days when Koreans were thrilled just to see one of their own make it in the Major Leagues. The domestic KBO, having recently moved away from a territorial draft, is concerned that too many young stars are coming to America and weakening the level of talent over there. (Kim is the 56th Korean player to sign with an MLB club.) So they decided make their stand here and now, and come down hard on poor Baltimore.

continued at:  http://deadspin.com/5885638/the-baltimore-orioles-have-pissed-off-korea?tag=baseball (http://deadspin.com/5885638/the-baltimore-orioles-have-pissed-off-korea?tag=baseball)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on February 23, 2012, 01:05:31 pm
Yeah, go ahead and give your kid a Zim Bear at sleepy-time.  He'll have nightmares for years.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 03:57:55 pm
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Bobby Jenks had serious back issue

By Joe McDonald - ESPNBoston.com - February 23, 2012, 4:14 PM ET


FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Bobby Jenks was not just fearful that his career was in jeopardy, the right-handed reliever was terrified for his life last December.

Jenks had surgery to remove bone spurs in his back on Dec. 12 at Massachusetts General Hospital and was back home in Phoenix a few weeks later when he noticed the incision in the middle of his back was leaking some kind of fluid.

The Red Sox pitcher bandaged it up himself and first thought nothing of it. But the problem didn't subside, so he visited a doctor and was rushed into emergency surgery on Dec. 30 to repair "a mistake" that Jenks said could have been a life-threatening situation.

"It was pretty serious," he recalled Thursday at training camp.

Jenks also was diagnosed with a pulmonary embolism last September, and because of that issue he had to wait until December to undergo back surgery. Leading up to the surgery, he was working out and trying to get as physically strong as he could so his body could handle the procedure.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7606198/boston-red-sox-bobby-jenks-feared-life (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7606198/boston-red-sox-bobby-jenks-feared-life)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 04:15:58 pm
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Ryan Braun wins appeal of positive drug test

By Tom Haudricourt of the Journal Sentinel - Feb. 23, 2012 4:06 p.m.


Phoenix - Milwaukee Brewers leftfielder Ryan Braun became the first major-league player to have a positive drug test overturned when he was informed Thursday that an arbitration panel ruled in his favor on appeal and decided against a 50-game suspension for the reigning National League most valuable player.

There has been no official announcement of the verdict but the Journal Sentinel has confirmed that Braun won his appeal.

Someone familiar with the decision said the appeal went Braun's way not so much on contesting the result of the test but the testing process itself, some kind of technicality.

Whatever the reason, the ruling was a tremendous boost for both Braun, whose reputation was at stake, and the Brewers, already missing free agent Prince Fielder from their 2011 NL Central championship club. Instead of having to figure out a way to replace Braun for the first 50 games of the season, the team can move forward with its original plans.

continued at:  http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140213003.html (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/140213003.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 23, 2012, 04:28:13 pm
Wow, Madame Tussaud's already has a Ryan Braun? They did a great job on that one!
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on February 23, 2012, 04:29:58 pm
Not sure if this has been posted on here:

http://www.terezowens.com/ryan-braun-reportedly-has-herpes/
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 23, 2012, 04:34:14 pm
Hilarious! "World's #1 Sports Gossip Site".
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 24, 2012, 05:54:56 am


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Guillen putting his stamp on Marlins
Manager has big job ahead, starting with Ramirez's move to 3rd


Phil Rogers On Baseball - 7:31 p.m. CST, February 23, 2012

JUPITER, Fla. — Jose Reyes had been introduced to the thwack-thwack-thwack cadence of Joey Cora hitting ground balls with his fungo bat. Now it was time for the real work.

While Reyes made his way back to the clubhouse, making small talk with reporters and posing for pictures with fans, journeymen Donnie Murphy and Nick Green took over at shortstop. Cora banged grounder after grounder, forming early impressions in the effort to determine if the Miami Marlins can trust them for an extended time if Reyes suffers an injury.

What about Hanley Ramirez?

"Whoever is our extra infielder is going to have to play shortstop,'' manager Ozzie Guillen said. "We're not going to move Hanley. That would mess with his mind. That would not be fair to him.''

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0224-rogers-on-baseball--20120224,0,2378592.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0224-rogers-on-baseball--20120224,0,2378592.column)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on February 24, 2012, 08:34:47 am
Man, those Miami unis are ugly.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on February 24, 2012, 08:51:19 am
That TerezOwens site is hilarious.  A lot of space devoted to the "Is Joe Buck gay?" rumor.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2012, 10:47:50 am
Is he? I wouldnt know.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on February 24, 2012, 10:49:01 am
I know he likes the Cardinals. Thats pretty gay ;D ;D
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: dave23 on February 24, 2012, 10:50:36 am
Concur...
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 04:32:47 pm
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Zumaya exits early with elbow discomfort
New Twins reliever throws just 13 pitches, will have MRI Sunday


By Rhett Bollinger / MLB.com | 02/25/12 3:02 PM EST


FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Twins right-hander Joel Zumaya left his throwing session early on Saturday with discomfort in his inner right elbow.

Zumaya, facing live hitters for the first time this spring, exited his bullpen session after 13 pitches and walked off the field with head trainer Rick McWane.

Zumaya, who declined to speak to reporters, is scheduled to get an MRI exam on Sunday, according to Twins manager Ron Gardenhire and general manager Terry Ryan.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26856730&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26856730&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 04:37:55 pm
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Buehrle easily acclimating to new team, league

By Joe Frisaro / MLB.com | 02/25/12 12:58 PM EST


JUPITER, Fla. -- Getting familiar with his new surroundings is part of the adjustment Mark Buehrle is making with the Miami Marlins.

After spending the first 11 seasons of his MLB career with the White Sox, the veteran left-hander is getting acquainted with a different way of life on and off the field.

No longer is his Spring Training in Arizona. Now, he's dealing with the extensive heat of workouts in South Florida. He's also dealing with switching from the American to National League, and he's meeting new teammates and coaches.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26855634&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26855634&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 04:43:02 pm


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Rays embrace, don't shy away from elite tag

By Mike Bauman | MLB.com Columnist | 02/25/12 3:27 PM EST


PORT CHARLOTTE, Fla. -- From the standpoint of finances, of course the Tampa Bay Rays are underdogs.

But on the field, they left the underdog category behind four years ago and they show no signs of regression now. They have made three postseason appearances in the past four years. Only one team has been better than that: the Phillies, who are 4-for-4 in postseason appearances since 2008. Only one team ties the Rays in postseason appearances over the past four years: the Yankees.

This is where the Rays are now. They have not only moved well beyond the underdog designation, they have moved into the game's elite.

And as Spring Training 2012 unfolds at Charlotte Sports Park, it is clear that another postseason appearance by the Rays is at least probable. The Rays are loaded with young and talented starting pitching. They might have the deepest rotation in baseball. They are frequently mentioned in preseason national media accounts as a potential World Series team. The Rays don't duck that evaluation. They embrace it.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26858292&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26858292&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

 
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 04:53:04 pm


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Slugging trumps speed, but smart baserunning key for Tigers

By John Lowe - Detroit Free Press Sports Writer - 02/25/2012


LAKELAND, Fla. -- Last season, the five of them combined for 115 home runs and 12 steals.

Collectively, they are a prime reason manager Jim Leyland recently said of the Tigers' lack of speed: "If they hit them where they are supposed to hit them, they can trot. So I'm not as concerned about that as everyone else."

During Friday's first full-squad workout of spring training, the five hit a lot of balls where they were supposed to hit them. Miguel Cabrera, Prince Fielder, Delmon Young, Brennan Boesch and Alex Avila formed a formidable batting-practice group. During their session on one of Tigertown's back fields, they hit several drives over the fence.

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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 05:01:13 pm


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De Los Santos has the heat, but needs control

By Jane Lee / MLB.com | 02/22/12 8:45 PM EST


PHOENIX -- Right-hander Fautino De Los Santos' plus-plus fastball could very well turn him into one of the game's elite closers some day.

"Typically," A's manager Bob Melvin said, "closers have one special pitch. [Mariano] Rivera has the cutter, [Trevor] Hoffman had the changeup, and for him it's the exploding fastball."

De Los Santos, whose fastball velocity can reach up to 99 miles per hour, has been mentioned often as a possible successor to departed closer Andrew Bailey. But continued development with his slider may have to come first. Melvin is also looking for the reliever to be quicker to the plate and to limit the walks.

more at: http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120222&content_id=26810250&notebook_id=26810252&vkey=notebook_oak&c_id=oak (http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120222&content_id=26810250&notebook_id=26810252&vkey=notebook_oak&c_id=oak)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 05:35:38 pm

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Justin Morneau: “there comes a point when you can only torture yourself so long”

by Craig Calcaterra - Feb 24, 2012, 9:32 AM EST

Justin Morneau spoke with the media this morning down in Fort Myers and he does not sound like a man who is totally healthy and ready to proceed with his career.

Jim Souhan of the Star Tribune reported that “he looks skinny” and “sounds worried.” Morneau said that he had not had concussion symptoms since January. But just last month there were reports that he hadn’t had them since December, which suggests his issues still aren’t going away.

more at:  http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/24/justin-morneau-there-comes-a-point-when-you-can-only-torture-yourself-so-long/ (http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/24/justin-morneau-there-comes-a-point-when-you-can-only-torture-yourself-so-long/)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 06:04:02 pm


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Jonathon Niese has a new nose, thanks to former teammate Carlos Beltran

By 'Duk | Big League Stew – Mon, Feb 20, 2012 3:54 PM EST


It looks like Mets reporters have already sniffed out the spring's oddest story.

It's true. New York Mets pitcher Jonathon Niese arrived at the team's camp on Monday and said that he had received a nose job over the offseason. Better yet, the bill for the surgery is supposed to be picked up by former teammate Carlos Beltran, who promised to handle the tab before he was traded to the San Francisco Giants last July. 

    "[Beltran] wanted me to have a new nose," Niese [told reporters on Monday]. "So he offered to pay for it. I was just like, 'All right.' Then it turned into seeing doctors and to getting it fixed."

Beltran reportedly has not paid up on his promise, but he can handle the bill. He signed a new two-year deal with the St. Louis Cardinals in the offseason and will make about $13 million in 2012. Niese, meanwhile, is a 25-year-old pitcher who made $452,000 in 2011 and is still one year away from arbitration. Though that's still a nice annual salary, it'd be a pretty crummy prank for Beltran to pull if Niese took his pledge seriously.

more at:  http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/jonathan-niese-nose-thanks-former-teammate-carlos-beltran-205447570.html;_ylt=Aj48.W270PaLq1uvNgp0FCARvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/jonathan-niese-nose-thanks-former-teammate-carlos-beltran-205447570.html;_ylt=Aj48.W270PaLq1uvNgp0FCARvLYF)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 06:36:40 pm


Seems like the speculation is this kid is signing with almost every team. Cubs, Orioles, Astros, Red Sox, Yankees, etc. Watch some team not mentioned come out of nowhere to sign him just like the A's did with Cespedes.


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The curious case of Jorge Soler
How 19-year-old Cuban outfield sensation could alter baseball’s view of the Houston Astros


By Joel Roza - February 23, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.


CORPUS CHRISTI — Earlier this winter, the Chicago Cubs and Oakland Athletics made headlines by signing two top Cuban prospects – the A’s signing 26-year-old prized Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes to an un-Athletics-like four-year, $36 million deal, and the Cubs nabbing 18-year-old pitcher Gerardo Concepcion for $7 million.

Next up on the Cuban Express to stardom: 19-year-old outfielder Jorge Soler.

While Cespedes is expected to make an immediate impact in Oakland, many GMs and execs throughout baseball feel that the younger Soler is the better, safer bet for long-term success in America. That’s largely due to his age and the fact that whoever does sign him will have time to develop him in the lower levels of the minor leagues, breaking him of any bad habits learned in Cuba and generally progressing him to the majors much the same way you would a prospect from America.

more at:  http://www.caller.com/news/2012/feb/23/curious-case-jorge-soler/ (http://www.caller.com/news/2012/feb/23/curious-case-jorge-soler/)


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Morning report: Sox key in on Cuban Soler

By Gordon Edes - ESPN.com - February, 24, 2012 8:39 AM ET


FORT MYERS, Fla. -- If Jorge Soler had been born in the United States, a Red Sox official said Thursday, there’s no way baseball would have been his No. 1 sport.

“With that build, he would have been a linebacker,’’ the official said.

But Soler was born in Cuba, a country in which baseball has no rival, and soon the 19-year-old outfielder will be the centerpiece of an auction in which the Red Sox intend to be serious bidders, the official said.

All of the Sox top talent evaluators, including general manager Ben Cherington, have seen Soler in the Dominican Republic, where they traveled to see several top Cuban defectors, including Yoenis Cespedes. Oakland recently signed 26-year-old outfielder Cespedes to a four-year, $36 million deal, and the Chicago Cubs signed an 18-year-old left-handed pitcher, Gerardo Concepcion, to a $7 million deal.

more at: http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post?id=16780 (http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox/post?id=16780)


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Jorge Soler: Orioles set to meet with Soler this weekend

Rotoworld.com - 10 hours ago

Orioles executive vice president Dan Duquette declined comment Friday on the club's level of interest in Cuban outfielder Jorge Soler.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=6880&line=349435&spln=1 (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=MLB&id=6880&line=349435&spln=1)








Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 10:16:57 pm
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American League spring training preview

By Tony Paul - The Detroit News - February 23, 2012 at 1:00 am[/i]

he three largest sums committed to contracts this offseason came from American League teams:

* First baseman Albert Pujols, Angels, $240 million

* First baseman Prince Fielder, Tigers, $214 million

* Starting pitcher Yu Darvish, Rangers, $111.7 million ($51.7 million was a posting fee)

That doesn't mean those teams will be the only three contenders in the AL. On the contrary. As position players start rolling into spring camps in Florida and Arizona this weekend, there is hope just about everywhere.

And, for many of the teams, that hope is for good reason.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 25, 2012, 10:21:45 pm
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Quentin hopes to bring excitement to Padres, hometown

Written by Don Norcross - 12:05 p.m., Feb. 25, 2012

The baseball field at El Capitan High, adjacent to the Lakeside school’s agricultural corrals, features patchy outfield grass with a sloped, dirt-**** warning track. In June 1996, Carlos Quentin, a soon-to-be University of San Diego High freshman, made his unofficial debut in a summer league game at El Cap.

Stepping to the plate for his first at-bat, the 14-year-old Quentin launched a drive to left-center field. It cleared the warning track, cleared the chain-link fence, then caromed off the student parking lot, where signs read “Park At Own Risk.”

As Quentin jogged the bases, head coach Dick Serrano turned to his bench and said, “Boys, that’s our center fielder.”

Nearly 16 years later, Quentin will try to make another favorable first impression. Arriving via trade from the Chicago White Sox in December, Quentin, now 29, is the Padres’ new left fielder.

He comes to a team in much need of help. Padres season-ticket sales are expected to plummet 25 percent. The team slid from 2010 pennant contender to 2011 cellar dweller. Even worse in the entertainment business, they were dreadfully dull.

continued at:  http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/25/quentin-hopes-bring-excitement-padres-hometown/ (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/25/quentin-hopes-bring-excitement-padres-hometown/)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on February 27, 2012, 11:22:10 am
We need a pool on the date that Quentin first goes on the DL.

Zumaya done for Twins before it started, I heard Perez, the Indians closer, also is hurt, down for 6 weeks?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on February 29, 2012, 12:40:18 pm
Did I mention that those Miami uniforms are ugly?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 02, 2012, 05:09:40 am


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Buehrle in Marlins uniform a jarring sight
Change will take some getting used to — for him and for White Sox


Phil Rogers On Baseball - 9:04 p.m. CST, March 1, 2012


JUPITER, Fla. — It's going to take a while to get used to Mark Buehrle rocking one of those crazy orange-and-blue uniforms. It looks like he's playing for the Cartoon Network softball team, not a Miami Marlins team that hopes to become a force in the National League East.

There are certain Buehrle trademarks that set him apart: a catch-and-throw pace on the mound, baserunners that stand as close to first base as anxious parents do to their children on the New York subway and pitches that rarely miss the strike zone by more than an eyelash. Oh, and he also has spoiled us with frequent appearances in the nightly recap of fielding highlights.

It's going to take a lot of 2-hour, 20-minute games and behind-the-back flips to first base — maybe even his third no-hitter — before Buehrle becomes associated with the Marlins and not the White Sox, for whom he won 161 games over 12 seasons. He was one of the best things about every team he was on, as illustrated by the Sox's 92-69 record in his starts the last five seasons. They were 315-335 behind everyone else.

So, yes, Chicago is going to miss him. How much will he miss Chicago?

"I'm going to miss it a lot,'' Buehrle said. "Everybody knows that. But they did what they had to do, and it was time for me to move on. So here I am.''

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 02, 2012, 05:31:50 am

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Buehrle in Marlins uniform a jarring sight
Change will take some getting used to — for him and for White Sox


Phil Rogers On Baseball - 9:04 p.m. CST, March 1, 2012


JUPITER, Fla. — It's going to take a while to get used to Mark Buehrle rocking one of those crazy orange-and-blue uniforms. It looks like he's playing for the Cartoon Network softball team, not a Miami Marlins team that hopes to become a force in the National League East.

There are certain Buehrle trademarks that set him apart: a catch-and-throw pace on the mound, baserunners that stand as close to first base as anxious parents do to their children on the New York subway and pitches that rarely miss the strike zone by more than an eyelash. Oh, and he also has spoiled us with frequent appearances in the nightly recap of fielding highlights.

It's going to take a lot of 2-hour, 20-minute games and behind-the-back flips to first base — maybe even his third no-hitter — before Buehrle becomes associated with the Marlins and not the White Sox, for whom he won 161 games over 12 seasons. He was one of the best things about every team he was on, as illustrated by the Sox's 92-69 record in his starts the last five seasons. They were 315-335 behind everyone else.

So, yes, Chicago is going to miss him. How much will he miss Chicago?

"I'm going to miss it a lot,'' Buehrle said. "Everybody knows that. But they did what they had to do, and it was time for me to move on. So here I am.''

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0302-mark-buehrle-miami-marlins--20120302,0,3922646.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0302-mark-buehrle-miami-marlins--20120302,0,3922646.column)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on March 02, 2012, 10:44:40 am
A jarring sight, indeed.  It makes me a little nauseated.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on March 02, 2012, 11:13:02 am
Its just the crappy uniforms
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 03, 2012, 06:36:07 pm
 

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MLB whispers: Buehrle to christen new Marlins park

By Phil Rogers, Tribune reporter - 3:38 p.m. CST, March 3, 2012


Mark Buehrle gets the honor of throwing the first pitch at Marlins Park, starting there against the University of Miami on Tuesday. They'll also play Florida International on Wednesday, taking the new digs for a test drive. …

Listen closely enough and you'll hear whispers that Peter Angelos is beginning to think about selling the Orioles. He was incensed that the signing of Korean teenager Seong-Min Kim was disallowed by Major League Baseball and can't be thrilled by the early direction of the Dan Duquette regime. He hired Duquette after Blue Jays assistant Tony La Cava turned down the job and several others declined to interview. …

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-120303-mlb-whispers,0,1574325.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-120303-mlb-whispers,0,1574325.story)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 03, 2012, 07:05:55 pm

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Twins now playing by different rules
Once-unique organization looking a little more like any other


Phil Rogers On Baseball - 4:09 p.m. CST, March 3, 2012


Before they went upscale at Target Field, the word that best described the Twins varied according to whether they made the playoffs. They were efficient in the good years, cheap in the other ones.

The cost of everything has soared post-Metrodome, however, so now we recognize Minnesota baseball by its stability. But here's a thought: Is this about to turn into just another franchise instead of the lovable mom-and-pop operation the late Carl Pohlad took over from Calvin Griffith?

The Twins have had two managers in 26 seasons and only five general managers since 1950. Ron Gardenhire, who took over when Tom Kelly decided he'd rather hit fungos on the back fields, has outlasted Bobby Cox and Tony La Russa to become second to Mike Scioscia in tenure among major league managers. But will his 11th season be his last in the sterile, cinder-block manager's office at the Lee County Sports Complex?

The Twins are only five miles from the Red Sox's sparkling JetBlue Park complex that opened last month. But the smell of fresh leather and air of expectations found on one side of Fort Myers is in stark contrast to a staleness and sense of apprehension on the other.

more at:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/sc-spt-0304-rogers-baseball--20120304,0,3994057.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/sc-spt-0304-rogers-baseball--20120304,0,3994057.column)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 03, 2012, 07:27:07 pm


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Timing is right for Big Z to return to form
Right-hander is on new club, set to be free agent next year


By Joe Frisaro / MLB.com | 02/29/12 12:47 PM EST


JUPITER, Fla. -- All the controversy that has surrounded Carlos Zambrano in recent years is being pushed to the side. With the Marlins, the slate is clean.

Manager Ozzie Guillen personally stuck his neck out, urging the Marlins to acquire the former Cubs ace. The convincing became a reality on Jan. 5 when a deal was swung that sent Chris Volstad to Chicago for Zambrano.

A month before the move, Guillen told reporters at the Winter Meetings that he thought Zambrano could win 15 or 16 games this year.

"I don't know why I'm so optimistic about Zambrano this year," Guillen said. "It's not because he is with us. I said it in December. He has to prove to a lot of people how good he can be."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120229&content_id=26912570&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120229&content_id=26912570&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 03, 2012, 07:41:14 pm

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A's make deal with Cespedes official
Cuban defector to be introduced in news conference Sunday


By Jane Lee / MLB.com | 03/03/12 6:48 PM EST


PEORIA, Ariz. -- Yoenis Cespedes officially became a member of the A's on Saturday, as the club finally announced the Cuban defector's four-year deal.

The A's will introduce him alongside general manager Billy Beane at a news conference Sunday, to be held at 9 a.m. PT at Phoenix Municipal Stadium.

Cespedes, whose arrival was delayed by 19 days as he waited in the Dominican Republic for a worker's visa, made his first appearance in the A's clubhouse Saturday morning and underwent a physical. He also briefly spoke with manager Bob Melvin, who says he won't play the $36 million outfielder in a game "until we feel like he's ready."

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120303&content_id=26982698&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120303&content_id=26982698&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on March 04, 2012, 10:28:34 am
Shocked MB gets the start for the marlins... JJ is a much better  pitcher.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 04, 2012, 04:41:09 pm


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Litsch shut down for six weeks with infection
Injection meant to help heal shoulder results in extra procedure


By Gregor Chisholm / MLB.com | 03/04/12 1:44 PM EST


BRADENTON, Fla. -- The string of bad luck for right-hander Jesse Litsch continued this week with yet another setback on his injured right shoulder.

Toronto's right-hander was shut down early in camp because of inflammation in his shoulder. Litsch visited renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews for a full diagnosis on Monday that confirmed the inflammation and didn't find any structural damage.

That was supposed to be good news, and Litsch received a platelet-rich plasmas (PRP) injection to help with the healing process. Unfortunately for Litsch and the Blue Jays, that injection caused a serious infection, and Litsch will not be allowed to throw for at least the next six weeks.

"He had a reaction to the injection that actually caused an infection, and as that began to grow, there was an additional procedure needed to clean out the infection," Blue Jays manager John Farrell said of the eventual arthoscopic surgery.

more at:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120304&content_id=27000698&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120304&content_id=27000698&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 04, 2012, 04:51:49 pm
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Jays’ relievers and Travis Snider trigger another win


John Lott  Mar 4, 2012 – 4:45 PM ET


BRADENTON, Fla. — This was debut day for the highly heralded back end of the Toronto Blue Jays bullpen, and when it was over, all four relievers were happy with the results.

The Jays beat the Pittsburgh Pirates 8-5 to go 2-0 in Grapefruit League play, with Sergio Santos, Francisco Cordero, Darren Oliver and Casey Janssen each working an inning. Only Oliver had a rough time, allowing two runs on three hits and a walk, but the 41-year-old lefty was unfazed.

“It was good to get out there, man,” Oliver said. “It’d been so long. It was good to get out there and finally get some game action in at game speed.”

Santos, Cordero and Janssen, each of whom worked a shutout inning, echoed those sentiments. They had not faced opposing hitters since last fall, and they all admitted to a touch of nerves, even though this was just an exhibition game.

more at:  http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/03/04/jays-relievers-and-travis-snider-trigger-another-win/ (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/03/04/jays-relievers-and-travis-snider-trigger-another-win/)

 
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 04, 2012, 04:55:05 pm

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Jays closer Sergio Santos is a changed man

John Lott  Mar 1, 2012 – 8:00 AM ET | Last Updated: Mar 1, 2012 10:38 AM ET


DUNEDIN, Fla. — When he walks past a batting cage, Sergio Santos still gets the itch.

“Always. Every day,” he said with a smile. “I’d love to get in there in batting practice and hit in the cage. But I’ll stick with pitching right now.”

With good reason. Once a hitter, Santos is the Toronto Blue Jays’ new closer. By restoring a changeup to his repertoire, he expects to improve on his 2011 season, when he saved 30 games for the Chicago White Sox.

He was a shortstop for eight seasons, including three in the Toronto system. But he stalled as a .226 hitter at Triple-A. So in 2009, the White Sox made him a pitcher, triggering an improbably rapid ascent to the big leagues.

Now, after an off-season trade, he is back with the Jays, sharing a clubhouse with several teammates from his days in Triple-A Syracuse.

more at:  http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/03/01/jays-closer-sergio-santos-continues-to-transform-himself/ (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/03/01/jays-closer-sergio-santos-continues-to-transform-himself/)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 04, 2012, 04:57:46 pm

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Jays’ relievers and Travis Snider trigger another win


John Lott  Mar 4, 2012 – 4:45 PM ET


BRADENTON, Fla. — This was debut day for the highly heralded back end of the Toronto Blue Jays bullpen, and when it was over, all four relievers were happy with the results.

The Jays beat the Pittsburgh Pirates 8-5 to go 2-0 in Grapefruit League play, with Sergio Santos, Francisco Cordero, Darren Oliver and Casey Janssen each working an inning. Only Oliver had a rough time, allowing two runs on three hits and a walk, but the 41-year-old lefty was unfazed.

“It was good to get out there, man,” Oliver said. “It’d been so long. It was good to get out there and finally get some game action in at game speed.”

Santos, Cordero and Janssen, each of whom worked a shutout inning, echoed those sentiments. They had not faced opposing hitters since last fall, and they all admitted to a touch of nerves, even though this was just an exhibition game.

more at:  http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/03/04/jays-relievers-and-travis-snider-trigger-another-win/ (http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/03/04/jays-relievers-and-travis-snider-trigger-another-win/)

 
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 04, 2012, 05:36:21 pm

Zumaya opts for Tommy John surgery
Righty weighing whether to rehab with Twins or on his own


By Rhett Bollinger / MLB.com | 03/04/12 6:00 PM EST


FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Right-hander Joel Zumaya informed the Twins he will undergo Tommy John surgery on his right elbow at the end of the month, assistant general manager Rob Antony said Sunday.

Zumaya tore his ulnar collateral ligament on Feb. 25 while throwing a live batting-practice session on a practice field at the Lee County Sports Complex.

Zumaya, 27, was debating whether to have the surgery and attempt another comeback or retire, but ultimately decided to go with the operation with Dr. James Andrews. But Zumaya has yet to decide if he'll rehab with the Twins or on his own.

more at:  http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120304&content_id=27002460&notebook_id=27002462&vkey=notebook_min&c_id=min (http://minnesota.twins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120304&content_id=27002460&notebook_id=27002462&vkey=notebook_min&c_id=min)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 05, 2012, 06:03:34 am


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Prince Fielder, Delmon Young and Miguel Cabrera
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Prince Fielder, left, and Miguel Cabrera, right, are two of baseball's best power hitters.


Whole lot flying around at Tigers camp
With Prince Fielder joining Miguel Cabrera, Detroit's lineup now a pitcher's nightmare


 By Jayson Stark - ESPN.com


LAKELAND, Fla. -- The manager sat at his desk on a windswept Sunday morning in March, a blank lineup card in front of him.

In the 3-hole, Jim Leyland then wrote the name: "CABRERA."

And in the 4-hole: "FIELDER."

The manager has scribbled out a lot of lineup cards in his day -- more than 3,000 of them, if you're counting at home. But even he had to admit it was fun scribbling out this one, with those two names hitting back-to-back.

"Yeah, it's kinda nice to stare at that a little bit," Leyland said, "before you go on."

Like the rest of us, the manager of these mighty Detroit Tigers doesn't know yet where the 2012 edition is heading. But there's an excellent chance that wherever it is, the men in the middle of his lineup card will write the script.

There are only two active players in their 20s in this entire sport who can say they have 200-plus career home runs and at least a .900 OPS. The Tigers will be running both of them out there this season. And no, we would not be talking about Clete Thomas and Danny Worth.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7645148/a-whole-lot-watch-detroit-tigers-camp (http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7645148/a-whole-lot-watch-detroit-tigers-camp)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 05, 2012, 06:07:24 am

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Michael Cuddyer likes his new environs
Longtime Twin ready for new challenge as well as playing in new league with Rockies


By Jerry Crasnick - ESPN.com


SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- The Colorado Rockies were looking to add an established middle-of-the-order bat and a stabilizing influence to their roster when they signed longtime Minnesota Twins fixture Michael Cuddyer to a three-year, $31.5 million deal in December.

General manager Dan O'Dowd knew he was acquiring a dedicated professional, respected teammate and a prince of a guy. Little did he realize that he had also snagged the King of Hearts.

Cuddyer's production and versatility are part of the package, obviously. But he also is earning raves in camp as a combination social director and sleight-of-hand artist, dazzling his new teammates with a wide array of card tricks. Infielder Chris Nelson is so captivated by the routine, he practically tackles Cuddyer on his way through the clubhouse door each day at Salt River Fields.

"He's blowing guys' minds here,'' Jason Giambi said of Cuddyer. "[The tricks] are as good as any I've ever seen, and trust me, I live in Vegas and I get to see a lot of those shows. They're pretty incredible.''

more at:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7633840/michael-cuddyer-big-hit-new-surroundings (http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7633840/michael-cuddyer-big-hit-new-surroundings)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 05, 2012, 06:11:42 am

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Cubs' Bryan LaHair shedding labels
Hard-hitting minor league veteran tries swapping "Four-A" for Opening Day


By Jerry Crasnick - ESPN.com

MESA, Ariz. -- Lots of major league players have time-honored traditions and checklists to dispense with as they prepare for spring training each year. Maybe they take the wife out for Valentine's Day dinner, or make sure to pack their lucky socks or bring the lawn mower in for servicing in anticipation of picking it up in April. It always pays to think ahead.

Before Bryan LaHair leaves for camp, he makes sure to speak by phone with his good friend Mike Morse. The two ballplayers came up together through the Seattle Mariners' farm system and shared long, arduous roads coming up through the professional ranks. Amid the setbacks, hardships and doubts, they had ample reason to wonder where it all would lead. So they bolstered each other's spirits and made it an annual spring ritual to dream big in unison.

"The day before camp, we give each other a little bit of motivation and a push before the season starts," LaHair said. "We do that every year."

Morse, 29, has seen the last of Triple-A ball. He hit .303 with 31 home runs, 95 RBIs and a .910 OPS for the Washington Nationals last year and was one of five players to appear on MLB's Final Man All-Star ballot in July. Not bad for a guy who was traded straight up for outfielder Ryan Langerhans in 2009.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7640553/bryan-lahair-gets-shot-play-first-base-chicago-cub (http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7640553/bryan-lahair-gets-shot-play-first-base-chicago-cub)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 05, 2012, 06:16:12 am

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Corey Hart needs knee surgery

PHOENIX -- Right fielder Corey Hart needs surgery on his right knee that will sideline him for up to a month.

About 15 minutes before the Brewers' spring training opener, the club scratched Hart from the lineup because of swelling in his right knee. He went for an MRI that revealed a meniscus tear.

The Brewers said he'll miss three to four weeks.

more at:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7645455/milwaukee-brewers-corey-hart-needs-knee-surgery (http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7645455/milwaukee-brewers-corey-hart-needs-knee-surgery)
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 05, 2012, 07:10:16 am

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Indians' Grady Sizemore out 8-12 weeks

CLEVELAND -- Grady Sizemore will start the season in a familiar spot -- on the disabled list.

The oft-injured Cleveland Indians outfielder is expected to miss eight to 12 weeks with a back injury, the latest medical setback for a three-time All-Star who once appeared to have a sensational career ahead of him.

The team said Sizemore underwent a "minimally invasive" lower back procedure Thursday in Miami. He required a micro discectomy.

more at:  http://www.freep.com/article/20120302/SPORTS02/203020345/Baseball-notes-Tribe-s-Sizemore-out-8-12-weeks (http://www.freep.com/article/20120302/SPORTS02/203020345/Baseball-notes-Tribe-s-Sizemore-out-8-12-weeks)

http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/03/grady_sizemore.html (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/03/grady_sizemore.html)




Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on March 05, 2012, 11:40:44 am
Quote
Corey Hart needs knee surgery

That's what he gets for wearing Sunglasses At Night.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on March 05, 2012, 11:41:56 am
Tell me again... why in the h3ll did we trade Santos?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on March 05, 2012, 11:45:53 am
Because Molina is a  cant miss pitching prospect...
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: ISF on March 05, 2012, 01:40:39 pm
Mike Morse...former white sox SS prospect. Who did we trade him for again?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on March 05, 2012, 02:04:23 pm
I think he was part of the Freddy Garcia trade, IIRC.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on March 05, 2012, 02:15:28 pm
He was part of the original Freddy Garcia trade... We sent him jeremy reed and olivio over iirc.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on March 05, 2012, 02:30:15 pm
Morse is 30 and now he can play?   Test his pee.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on March 05, 2012, 03:26:30 pm
They did.... and he paid for it 3 times.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 05, 2012, 04:36:16 pm
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Lenny Dykstra sentenced to three years in prison

By Andrew Blankstein - LOS ANGELES TIMES

LOS ANGELES - Former Phillies and New York Mets star and financial guru Lenny Dykstra was sentenced to three years in state prison on Monday, after a judge rejected a last-ditch effort to change his no contest plea and fight the charges.

Dykstra, who faced up to a four-year sentence, must serve his time in state prison. He had pleaded no contest to grand theft auto and filing a false financial statement in connection with a scheme to use somebody else's paperwork to steal or lease several new cars, according to court records.

He was immediately taken into custody after the sentencing.

read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120305_Lenny_Dykstra_sentenced_to_three_years_in_prison.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/20120305_Lenny_Dykstra_sentenced_to_three_years_in_prison.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on March 06, 2012, 10:59:26 am
Great pic of Lenny shoving red licorice down his throat.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 07, 2012, 09:22:50 am
The Wall Behind Home Plate At The New Marlins Ballpark Is An Actual Fish Tank
http://www.businessinsider.com/marlins-ballpark-actual-fish-tank-2012-3


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on March 07, 2012, 10:05:17 am
I hope it gets busted. It would be fitting for the stupid thinking of putting it there.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on March 07, 2012, 10:29:18 am
Don't they say you're not supposed to tap on the glass of an aquarium? Doesn't that disturb the fish like crazy?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 07, 2012, 10:42:10 am
PETA is already on it, not surprisingly:

http://www.peta.org/mediacenter/news-releases/PETA-Calls-On-Marlins-to-Deep-Six-Plan-to-Install-Cruel-Aquariums-in-New-Ballpark.aspx
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: PeteWard on March 08, 2012, 03:58:30 pm
They should out open shark tanks stocked with Great Whites along the walls.  I'd pay to see Derek Jeter make one of his patented head first into the stands catches under those circumstances.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 12, 2012, 07:36:16 am

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Gio drawing rave early reviews this spring
Nats lefty continues early dominance against Cardinals


By David Villavicencio / Special to MLB.com | 03/11/12 6:30 PM EST


JUPITER, Fla. -- Gio Gonzalez has been as good as advertised.

The All-Star left-hander looked great in his Grapefruit League debut, throwing three scoreless innings. Gonzalez was outstanding again on Sunday with a group of family and friends cheering him on at Roger Dean Stadium.

"My parents, I had to tell them to turn it down a bit," Gonzalez said. "We're all grown men now. This isn't Khoury League anymore."

Gonzalez's family and friends drove about an hour and a half north from his hometown of Hialeah, Fla., to see him face the Cardinals. It is the closest to home that Gonzalez has ever pitched as a big leaguer and his cheering section made sure he knew they were there.

read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120311&content_id=27189464&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120311&content_id=27189464&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 12, 2012, 07:45:07 am


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Brewers' roster deep enough to absorb losses

By Bernie Pleskoff | MLB.com Columnist | 03/11/12 2:45 PM EST

What can be better than being at a Brewers Spring Training game and watching the sausage races in the sixth inning, followed by a rousing rendition of "Roll Out The Barrel" in the middle of the seventh?

Not much. Life is good when Brewers fans can sit back, have a brat and a beer and watch the Crew's big bats knock homers far over the outfield walls.

Is there life after Prince Fielder for Milwaukee? In a word -- yes. Excitement is high, and for good reason.

There were some scary moments when Ryan Braun's availability for the first 50 games of the season was in question. Couple that with the departure of Fielder and there were some moments of acid reflux for everyone involved.

read more:  http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120311&content_id=27190904&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120311&content_id=27190904&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on March 12, 2012, 08:34:36 am
Gio is the one guy I wanted to keep other than Chris Young, oh well...

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 12, 2012, 09:50:56 am
That's a great look wearing the cap that way and throwing some retarted sign. Christ.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on March 12, 2012, 12:32:31 pm
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Gio drawing rave early reviews this spring

Dammit dammit dammit Kenny.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 14, 2012, 07:28:17 pm
 

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Perez has meniscus tear, will undergo surgery
How much time Royals catcher will miss yet to be determined


By Dick Kaegel / MLB.com | 03/14/12 7:20 PM ET


SURPRISE, Ariz. -- The Royals' optimistic outlook for 2012 took a serious hit on Wednesday, when it was announced that $7 million catcher Salvador Perez is to have surgery on his left knee.

The Royals had announced on Tuesday that Perez had a lateral meniscus tear; the surgery will take place in the next few days at a location to be determined.

Perez, 21, met with reporters on Wednesday afternoon in the clubhouse, leaning on crutches and answering questions with the catcher who'll likely replace him, Brayan Pena, acting as translator.

"I'm very sad. It's my first year, and I was very motivated, and it's very painful. But hopefully I can bounce back and I'll be fine," said Perez, who was injured while warming up pitcher Jonathan Sanchez prior to Tuesday's Cactus League game against the Reds.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120314&content_id=27273224&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120314&content_id=27273224&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 15, 2012, 09:25:55 am
What's the story with that card? He's holding bottles of Gates and Arthur Bryant's bbq sauces so unlikely it was a promo card for either of those, seriously doubt they would joint-advertise.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Juan pizzarro on March 15, 2012, 08:36:54 pm
MSF, you posted "Gio is the one guy I wanted to keep other than Chris Young, oh well..."

Not trying to chop you, but when we got Swisher for Gio and Ryan, you had been knocking Gio, and loved the Swisher trade. But on Chris Young, you were always in his camp. Although it is still possible that Javy Vaz/Lilli/Flowers will in the end be worth more than Young.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on March 16, 2012, 09:53:26 am
That is true to an extent, I was hoping Gio was going to be too small to be effective, sorta like Parque. But he proved me wrong. Deep down I wanted him.

I will admit I did not think Hudson would pan out as he has. I liked that trade, thought Edwin would help us more and thought Hudson could not throw strikes.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on March 16, 2012, 11:12:35 am
Parque!

Hah!  I thought I had completely blotted him from my memory, but no, it's still there ----
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on March 16, 2012, 12:14:11 pm
how could you forget the way butter throws the ball... ?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 16, 2012, 04:26:56 pm
Parque!

Hah!  I thought I had completely blotted him from my memory, but no, it's still there ----

(http://www.cvfalconsalumni.com/94Classfolder/94paruejsenior.jpg) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BfUrSaFs9gY/SmjMKchaloI/AAAAAAAABJw/tKxXj_EeqZU/s320/Picture+4.png)

This is what Jim Parque is doing now:

http://www.bigleagueedge.com/Home_Page.php (http://www.bigleagueedge.com/Home_Page.php)

It's somewhat funny that a guy who admitted to using HGH while attempting a comeback would name his business Big League Edge.

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 16, 2012, 04:37:36 pm




Fantastic deal for the Yankees if the year away doesn't affect his performance too greatly! If he ends up performing like he did in 2010, the Yankees signed the biggest bargain in all of MLB.


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Andy Pettitte returning to Yankees

TAMPA, Fla. -- Left-hander Andy Pettitte is coming back to the New York Yankees.

Pettitte, who retired before last season, has signed a one-year minor league contract with an invitation to spring training, the team said. If he is added to the major league roster, he gets a $2.5 million deal.

Yankees general manager Brian Cashman said the deal has no incentives and that Pettitte would be only a starter.

Pettitte, 39, started 21 games in 2010 for the Yankees, going 11-3 with a 3.28 ERA. He was 14-8 with a 4.16 ERA in 2009, his last full season.

Pettitte got the go-ahead from his family to attempt the comeback.

"They weren't crazy about me retiring last year," Pettitte said. "I would have never done this, especially if my wife didn't feel good about it. It has been awesome being home."

read more:  http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7696338/2012-spring-training-andy-pettitte-returning-new-york-yankees-agrees-minor-league-deal-sources-say (http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7696338/2012-spring-training-andy-pettitte-returning-new-york-yankees-agrees-minor-league-deal-sources-say)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 18, 2012, 12:55:36 am


What a shocker!  Who could have seen this coming? </sarcasm>



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Padres OF Quentin to have knee surgery

PEORIA, Ariz. (AP)—San Diego Padres outfielder Carlos Quentin is expected to be sidelined for four to six weeks after he undergoes arthroscopic knee surgery on Monday.

The 29-year-old Quentin began to experience inflammation in his right knee after reporting to spring training and the team’s medical staff has been monitoring the situation since. He said Saturday he wanted to have the routine surgery now to potentially avoid a more serious injury down the road.

“Spring training days can substitute for rehab days so I can get on the field as fast as possible and play games that do count,” Quentin said. “My other option involved trying to manage it. Knowing any type of slide or blunt-force trauma to the knee could re-aggravate it and miss an unforeseeable amount of games, this decision is made with the hope no games will be missed once the knee is healthy.”

read more:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7703480/san-diego-padres-carlos-quentin-miss-4-6-weeks (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7703480/san-diego-padres-carlos-quentin-miss-4-6-weeks)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 18, 2012, 01:19:25 am


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Moyer had to give big leagues one last try

By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 03/17/12 10:00 AM ET


SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- If Jamie Moyer hadn't given baseball one more shot, he would have always wondered what might have been.

"There was something in me saying, 'Let's try this,'" Moyer said. "I didn't want to question myself for the rest of my life. Now if I try it and succeed, OK, good. If I don't succeed, OK, good."

Moyer taps his head.

"Up here still thinks you can do it," Moyer said. "Part of the reason for coming here is to find out if I really can."

For sure, Moyer's is a baseball story. He signed with the Rockies because they appear to have an opening for a starting pitcher. But the really sweet part of this story is that Moyer is here at all, that at 49 he decided to challenge himself one more time.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120316&content_id=27326748&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120316&content_id=27326748&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: PeteWard on March 18, 2012, 06:47:51 pm
Deep down I wanted him.

That would have been OK if it had not been typed by a man.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on March 18, 2012, 09:46:22 pm
Diggger Phelps's son-in-law
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 19, 2012, 12:23:07 am
 

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Nats option top prospect Harper to Triple-A

By Bill Ladson / MLB.com | 03/18/12 6:41 PM ET


VIERA, Fla. -- After striking out four times in an 11-7 loss to the Tigers on Sunday, Nationals top prospect Bryce Harper was optioned to Triple-A Syracuse, where he will play mostly center field. He will also see some action in right.

Once he is promoted to the big leagues, Harper is expected to be Washington's everyday center fielder.

Manager Davey Johnson said the "timing wasn't right" to let Harper start the season in the Major Leagues. "He is close," the skipper said.

Harper went 8-for-28 [.286] with a team-leading 11 strikeouts during Grapefruit League play. It also didn't help Harper's case that he missed six games because of a calf injury.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120318&content_id=27396156&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120318&content_id=27396156&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on March 19, 2012, 09:10:22 am
Ack!

Nice catch PW. Not intended as it was taken. heh
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: ISF on March 19, 2012, 01:39:39 pm
The Prince Fielder experiment going well in Detroit...

http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7709712/miguel-cabrera-detroit-tigers-takes-hard-grounder-face
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 19, 2012, 02:30:21 pm


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Five players who will bash or crash in 2012
Up or down for Granderson, Stubbs, Morse, Gordon, Cespedes


By Matthew Leach / MLB.com | 03/19/12 10:00 AM ET


Some players are insanely consistent, but they're the exceptions. There are reasons Albert Pujols is making the money he's making, but one of them is that he's absolutely, rock-solid predictable. There's great value in that.

For many others, though, we still don't know entirely what we're looking at even after years of performance. A one-time career year can be tough to discern from a breakout, consolidation season without the benefit of years of hindsight. Likewise, sometimes a down year is just a down year, and sometimes it's the beginning of a player's decline phase.

MLB.com took a look at five players about whom we're asking those very questions. The following five players will either bash or crash in 2012, and if you know for sure which way they're going to go, you might want to buy a lottery ticket.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120319&content_id=27405070&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120319&content_id=27405070&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 19, 2012, 03:11:03 pm


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Utley departs camp to meet with specialist
Second baseman unlikely to be ready by Opening Day


By Todd Zolecki / MLB.com | 03/19/12 11:46 AM ET


CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Chase Utley left camp on Monday because a chronic condition in both knees remains a serious problem.

It's not good news for the Phillies, who are nearly certain he will open the season on the disabled list.

General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. issued the following statement Monday morning: "Chase's rehab process has come to a bit of a plateau. He has made some strides, but not enough to take the field. He is headed out of town for a few days to be evaluated by a specialist that has helped athletes overcome his issue.

"We anticipate that this trip will allow him to build on what he has already done with [head athletic trainer] Scott Sheridan in order to get over the hump. He wants more than anything to be on the field with his teammates, and we believe that this is a step in that direction."

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120319&content_id=27405322&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120319&content_id=27405322&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: TheCamel on March 23, 2012, 10:39:43 am
Jenks not behaving well:

http://deadspin.com/5895861/bobby-jenks-and-matt-bush-were-both-charged-with-duis-in-florida-in-the-past-24-hours
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 23, 2012, 11:45:20 am
Lee County- that's right in boatdrink's hood. Babe's Nightclub in Ft. Myers, strip club. Pretty sure they all know boatdrink in there.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on March 24, 2012, 03:12:28 pm
http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/story/_/id/7731716/cincinnati-reds-closer-ryan-madson-miss-season-elbow

Sure wish we had Santos to trade to the Reds now...
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on March 24, 2012, 07:12:08 pm
Very interesting piece about the live streaming of MLB games, and how it came to be.  Oh, you also learn in here that Glen Beeck uses the  MLB service to stream his crying to his fans.  HEH.

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/164/major-league-baseball-advanced-media-bam
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 27, 2012, 11:36:53 pm


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Magic Johnson group wins bid for Dodgers

Associated Press - Updated Mar 28, 2012 12:13 AM ET

Los Angeles Dodgers owner Frank McCourt has announced an agreement Tuesday night to sell the bankrupt team for $2 billion to a group that includes former Lakers star Magic Johnson and former Atlanta Braves and Washington Nationals President Stan Kasten.

The agreement, revealed about five hours after Major League Baseball owners approved three finalists for the auction, is to lead to a transfer of the team by the end of April. It is subject to approval in federal bankruptcy court.

Mark Walter, chief executive officer of the financial services firm Guggenheim Partners would become the controlling owner. The price would be easily a record for a North American sports franchise.

As part of the agreement, the Dodgers said McCourt and ''certain affiliates of the purchasers'' would acquire the land surrounding Dodger Stadium for $150 million.

The acquiring group, called Guggenheim Baseball Management, includes Mandalay Entertainment chief executive Peter Guber.

read more:  http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Los-Angeles-Dodgers-to-be-sold-to-Magic-Johnson-led-group-032712 (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Los-Angeles-Dodgers-to-be-sold-to-Magic-Johnson-led-group-032712)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 27, 2012, 11:50:10 pm


www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJqm8ybv4Uw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJqm8ybv4Uw)

Video of the Miami Marlins home run feature has finally surfaced

By David Brown | Big League Stew – Mon, Mar 26, 2012 8:35 AM EDT


It ... is ... alive!

With opening day fast approaching and a new ballpark to open, the Miami Marlins have been preparing by putting their highly anticipated and already much-ridiculed home run display through some dry runs. And, from the looks of this YouTube video, we have some great news: When activated, the monstrosity is as grotesque, obnoxious and over the top as anyone possibly could have imagined.

But beware: It might not be safe for children, the elderly or people with epilepsy to watch:

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/video-marlins-home-run-display-finally-surfaced-123514737.html;_ylt=AmEVXB8fjuRJ4.rh9jiJgO0RvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/video-marlins-home-run-display-finally-surfaced-123514737.html;_ylt=AmEVXB8fjuRJ4.rh9jiJgO0RvLYF)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 28, 2012, 07:59:03 am


I'm watching the Mariners/A's game live from the Tokyo Dome on ESPN America and noticed that both teams are using the tacky Japanese baseball tradition of having sponsors logos painted on their helmets and advertising patches slapped on their uniforms (on their right sleeves).

Quote

For sheer economic power, however, there is nothing like the interest in Japan. Yes, don't discount the economic element of these games. MLB sold a title sponsorship of the two games to Gloops, an odd-sounding Japanese company that develops applications for mobile phones, and happily handed Gloops the right to plaster its logo on batting helmets and a patch on Oakland's jerseys. (Boeing bought the space on Seattle's sleeves.) Such commercialism thankfully doesn't fly in North America, but is more the norm in Nippon Pro Baseball, so it's not entirely out of place.

(The players will be paid about $45,000 each for making the trip and the clubs will be paid approximately the same revenues they would have received if the series were held in Oakland. Fans paid anywhere from $20 for a standing room ticket to $254 for a seat behind home plate.)

Read more:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/03/27/japan.opener/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tom_verducci/03/27/japan.opener/index.html)


 


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 28, 2012, 09:11:28 am
Some great comments on the Marlins' HR display:
/watch?v=wJqm8ybv4Uw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJqm8ybv4Uw)

(Put www.youtube.com in front of this obviously.)

Popular one: "There isn't enough **** in the world to make sense of this. "
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 28, 2012, 09:19:11 am
If you go to the actual youtube page for "Marlins Home Run Feature" (the one with around 288,000 views), there are some great comments. 
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on March 28, 2012, 11:27:36 am
Magic Johnson needs to move those Dodgers back to Brooklyn where they belong.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on March 28, 2012, 12:18:47 pm
While I could really care less, but were it to happen I sure wouldnt complain. I really cant see that happening. Too much of a difference in the draw. Why do you think they and the Giants left New York in the first place?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on March 28, 2012, 01:21:33 pm
BMac with a very nice opening day start for the A's last night.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on March 29, 2012, 03:30:44 pm
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While I could really care less, but were it to happen I sure wouldnt complain. I really cant see that happening. Too much of a difference in the draw. Why do you think they and the Giants left New York in the first place?

They wanted to go surfing?

They were looking for authentic Mexican food?

It was a facetious comment.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 29, 2012, 04:22:36 pm

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Marlins release Rowand

Published March 29, 2012 - Sports Network

Jupiter, FL –  The Miami Marlins have released outfielder Aaron Rowand, who had signed a minor league deal with a spring training invite in January.

Rowand struggled at the plate this spring, batting just .128 with six hits in 47 at-bats and three runs batted in.

read more:  http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/03/29/marlins-release-rowand/ (http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/03/29/marlins-release-rowand/)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on March 29, 2012, 05:26:56 pm
There is a KW favorite. Watch KW go after him. He'd be a good candidate to play LF or CF.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on March 30, 2012, 08:42:55 am
Juan Pierre's contract has been purchased by the Phillies, indicating a probable release of Scott Podsednik.

The Extra Grindy episode of Spy vs. Spy appears to be over....
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on March 30, 2012, 09:28:51 am
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Never thought I'd get to use this again.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on April 01, 2012, 01:04:47 pm
Heh
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on April 02, 2012, 07:41:31 pm
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7765898/cincinnati-reds-joey-votto-agree-10-year-extension

Votto signs 10 year 225 million extension.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 05:47:41 am


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Marlins Park caps a new era for Miami baseball fans
The first pitch at the Marlins’ new stadium will mark a transformation that has been 19 years in the making


By Clark Spencer - cspencer@MiamiHerald.com


The first pitch in Florida Marlins history was a knuckleball.

The first pitch in Miami Marlins history?

“I don’t want to give away any secrets, but hopefully it’s a strike,” said Josh Johnson, who will usher in a new era of Major League Baseball in South Florida the same way Charlie Hough did 19 years ago when the franchise was born.

With a pitch.

Only this time, when the Marlins kick off their 20th season in their futuristic new ballpark Wednesday, the descendants of the inaugural team won’t look a thing like that one.

Teal — as the team’s dominant color — has given way to orange, yellow and blue accents. Marlins Park is not only their home, and their’s alone, but comes with a retractable roof to block out the rain and heat.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/04/2730320/marlins-park-caps-a-new-era-for.html (http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/04/2730320/marlins-park-caps-a-new-era-for.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 07:09:27 am


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Tigers place Inge on 15-day DL with groin strain

By Jason Beck / MLB.com | 04/03/12 1:25 PM ET


LAKELAND, Fla. -- After all the speculation this spring about Brandon Inge's future in Detroit, the longest-tenured Tiger will open the season on the disabled list. The Tigers placed Inge on the 15-day DL with a left groin strain on Tuesday.

The move, coupled with the fact that Drew Smyly will start the season at Triple-A Toledo for a spot start, essentially completes the Tigers' 25-man Opening Day roster. Infielder Danny Worth and outfielders Andy Dirks and Clete Thomas all make the team, though Detroit will have to make another roster move to make room for Smyly in time for his scheduled Major League debut on April 12.

The one formality left is for the Tigers to place reliever Al Alburquerque on the disabled list. Alburquerque is recovering from offseason elbow surgery, and though he should be cleared to begin a throwing program in the coming days, he isn't expected to be ready to pitch until the All-Star break.

As for Inge, the move is retroactive to Friday. He'll be eligible to be activated on April 14 for the second game of their first road series against the White Sox. Inge fully expects to be ready by that point, and the Tigers plan to activate and use him as part of a three-man mix at second base.

read more:  http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120403&content_id=27860618&vkey=news_det&c_id=det (http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120403&content_id=27860618&vkey=news_det&c_id=det)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 02:59:48 pm

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Press Release #117 (3/28/12) iN DEMAND

3/28/12

 For immediate release 

MLB EXTRA INNINGS® ON DIGITAL CABLE BEGINS APRIL 5, 2012 WITH AN 11 DAY FREE PREVIEW OF THE OUT-OF-MARKET SPORTS PACKAGE

Early Bird Price Offers $20 Savings Off Regular Season Rate For Baseball Fans 

NEW YORK, March 28, 2012 - Major League Baseball and digital cable providers* around the country announce the 2012 season of the MLB EXTRA INNINGS package, distributed nationally by iN DEMAND. This season, a free preview will run for 11 days, from April 5-15, pitching more than 100 games to avid fans.  With well over 2,000 out-of-market baseball game telecasts during the regular season, including up to 80 games each week, the early bird offer for digital customers is a great value at $179, a $20 savings off of the full-season price if they order before April 15.  Systems will then offer the package at last year's price of $199 (SRP)* for the regular season. Included enhancements are dual-broadcast feeds and the popular multi-screen mosaic. 

*This season, iN DEMAND will distribute the MLB Extra Innings package to the following cable, telcos and other companies: Comcast, Time Warner Cable, Cox Communications, Bright House Networks, Cablevision Systems, Charter Communications, Midcontinent, Verizon FiOS, RCN and many independent affiliates serving fans across the nation. 

read more:  http://www.indemand.com/business/business-overview/press/view.php?id=117 (http://www.indemand.com/business/business-overview/press/view.php?id=117)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on April 04, 2012, 04:26:35 pm
Quote
Tigers place Inge on 15-day DL with groin strain

I am so sick of hearing about that AAAA deuche from Tigers fans.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2012, 10:12:16 pm


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Torii Hunter had run-in with cops

By Mark Saxon | ESPNLosAngeles.com | Updated: April 4, 2012, 8:33 PM ET


LOS ANGELES -- Los Angeles Angels right fielder Torii Hunter had a frightening encounter with police at his Newport Coast home on Wednesday afternoon, when two Newport Beach officers entered the house and escorted him upstairs -- with guns drawn -- so he could show them identification.

The incident began when Hunter, who did not play in the Angels' final exhibition game at Dodger Stadium, accidentally triggered his home's alarm upon entering. A dispatcher phoned his wife's cell phone, but his wife was in Texas and didn't answer the call.

Hunter said he was lying on the couch watching TV when he saw two officers in his backyard approaching the back door.

"I saw the cops and turned around and they had their guns out, saying, 'Show me your hands!' " Hunter said. "I'm like, 'All right, I'm cool.' I had a pistol upstairs. I'm a licensed gun owner. I'm glad I didn't get it because I could have been shot. What would have happened if I went out there?"

read more:  http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7776717/torii-hunter-los-angeles-angels-says-cops-drew-guns-incident-home (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7776717/torii-hunter-los-angeles-angels-says-cops-drew-guns-incident-home)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 05, 2012, 03:08:41 pm
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Got to love former White Sox draftee Ryan Sweeney as his triple in the top of the 9th inning drives in two runs giving Tigers' douche-bag José Valverde his 1st blown save since the 2010 season which denies Justin Verlander a win.

.....but it's all for naught as Austin Jackson gets a one-out bases loaded single in the bottom of the ninth as the Tigers win 3-2.

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 05, 2012, 04:24:24 pm

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Cubs bullpen blows it in 2-1 loss to Nationals

By Paul Sullivan, Tribune reporter - 4:01 p.m. CDT, April 5, 2012

Expectations for the Chicago Cubs may be the lowest in years heading into a new season, but everyone's somewhat optimistic on Opening Day.

The Cubs and Washington kicked off the 2012 season Thursday afternoon at Wrigley Field with Ryan Dempster facing off against Washington phenom Stephen Strasburg.

Dempster pitched a gem, but Kerry Wood blew a one-run lead in the eighth, Carlos Marmol gave up a two-out, RBI single in the ninth and the Cubs lost 2-1 before a chilled crowd of 41,176.

Uber-Cubs fan Bill Murray threw out the ceremonial first pitch to Wood, after running around the bases and making an awkward slide into home plate.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0406-cubs-nationals-chicago--20120406,0,3696227.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0406-cubs-nationals-chicago--20120406,0,3696227.story)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Shoeless on April 05, 2012, 04:31:35 pm
Marmolized.

Eff Ricketts
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 05, 2012, 04:38:23 pm
Marmolized.

Eff Ricketts

I just knew that post would draw Shoeless out of the weeds to comment. 

Took all of 7 minutes.:)

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: SoxRule on April 05, 2012, 04:38:51 pm
Not a good day for closers today. Valverde, Wood/Marmol and now Chris Perez have all blown saves for their starting pitchers who pitched great games.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 05, 2012, 06:28:46 pm
Not a good day for closers today. Valverde, Wood/Marmol and now Chris Perez have all blown saves for their starting pitchers who pitched great games.


...but a good day for SoxRule as she won't hear from her husband's family since the Cubs lost....

....and Ozzie Guillen is now 0 - 2 as manager of the Miami Marlins.




Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 05, 2012, 07:42:47 pm
Buehrle looked good, Cueto looked better.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 06, 2012, 06:08:21 am


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Report: Baseball average salary rises

Associated Press - Updated: April 5, 2012, 11:51 PM ET

NEW YORK -- The rest of baseball is starting to catch up with the big spenders.

The Miami Marlins, Detroit Tigers, Texas Rangers and Los Angeles Angels all had hefty boosts in payroll during the offseason along with the Tampa Bay Rays and Kansas City Royals, according to a study of major league contracts by The Associated Press.

Some traditional high rollers had huge drops, including the New York Mets, Chicago Cubs and Chicago White Sox.

"Any time everything's even, it's always better competition," Prince Fielder said Thursday before his first game as the Tigers' new big-money first baseman.

The New York Yankees, of course, remain the cash king and topped $200 million on Opening Day for the fifth consecutive year. And at $30 million, the Yanks' Alex Rodriguez remains the richest of the richest, baseball's highest-paid player for the 12th straight season.

The major league average salary rose 4.1 percent to $3.44 million, the steepest hike since 2008.

read more:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7779231/baseball-average-salary-rises-344-million-teams-increase-spending-according-report (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7779231/baseball-average-salary-rises-344-million-teams-increase-spending-according-report)




Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on April 06, 2012, 08:49:20 am
....and Ozzie Guillen is now 0 - 2 as manager of the Miami Marlins.

1st Week Trends.....
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on April 06, 2012, 05:07:09 pm
Speaking of Ronnie WooWoo, part of the fun of living in Chicago is the Completely Random and Unexpected Occasional WooWoo Sightings.

My most recent one:   The parking garage of Northwestern Memorial Hospital, about a month ago.   Driving down the ramp, around level 6, and there he is, walking in full uniform.


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 06, 2012, 05:32:32 pm
Speaking of Ronnie WooWoo, part of the fun of living in the western suburbs and not the city of Chicago is never having the Completely Random and Unexpected Occasional WooWoo Sightings.

My most recent one:   The parking garage of Northwestern Memorial Hospital, about a month ago.   Driving down the ramp, around level 6, and there he is, walking in full uniform. never being in the same zipcode as that idiot.


Fixed.

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 06, 2012, 05:38:23 pm


my favorite heckler.com story:




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Cubs bronze wrong Ronnie; Woo-Woo accidentally honored with Wrigley statue


by ChicagoVince on August 11, 2011


In a year filled with terrible blunders, the Cubs have erred yet again. In January, the Ricketts family asked local sculptor Rico Rodriguez to make a bronze statue of Ronnie. Not knowing much about baseball, the young artist Googled images and video of “Cubs” and “Ronnie” and he ended up sculpting a statue of Ronnie “Woo Woo” Wickers.

“It’s entirely our fault” said Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts. “I guess we never did give a last name. We just assumed the sculptor would know.”

“Everywhere I looked for a photo or video of this ‘Ronnie’ had this crazy man wearing a Cubs jersey and saying ‘Woo’,” Rodriguez said. “I thought it was weird at first, but even ESPN had a page dedicated to him, so I assumed he was the guy.”

“I can almost hear dad sighing from heaven,” said Jeff Santo of his father’s favorite thing to do on the radio. “I’m sure he’s looking on and saying ‘Oh No! The Cubs dropped the ball!’”

Most fans who looked on at Wednesday’s unveiling ceremony were horrified, except for one who was quoted as saying “I WOO! got a statue WOO!”

http://www.theheckler.com/2011/08/11/cubs-bronze-wrong-ronnie-woo-woo-accidentally-honored-with-wrigley-statue/ (http://www.theheckler.com/2011/08/11/cubs-bronze-wrong-ronnie-woo-woo-accidentally-honored-with-wrigley-statue/)

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/6889/theo-meet-woo-woo (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/6889/theo-meet-woo-woo)




Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on April 06, 2012, 08:18:29 pm
April Fools Day is past. But I like it.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 03:58:14 pm

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Cubs bullpen blows lead for Garza in 7-4 loss

By Paul Sullivan, Tribune reporter - 3:39 p.m. CDT, April 7, 2012


Matt Garza's debut went as advertised, with the Cubs' best starter throwing six strong innings against Washington at Wrigley Field.

But the Kerry Wood-Carlos Marmol combo did the Cubs in again, blowing a two-run lead in the Nationals' five-run eighth inning.

The Nationals won 7-4.

Wood blew a lead on Thursday, with Marmol getting the loss.

With the Cubs leading 4-2 and two outs, Wood served up a 3-2 home run to Danny Espinoza, then allowed back-to-back singles. Marmol came in and walked Jayson Werth to load the bases, before ex-Cub Chad Tracy repeated his heroics of Opening Day, singling home the tying and go-ahead runs.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0408-cubs-nationals-chicago--20120408,0,283758.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0408-cubs-nationals-chicago--20120408,0,283758.story)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 04:12:09 pm

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Indians squander Jimenez gem, lose to Toronto Blue Jays, 7-4, in 12 innings
   
By Dennis Manoloff, The Plain Dealer - Updated: Saturday, April 07, 2012, 4:51 PM


CLEVELAND, Ohio --  Bud Selig was not on the premises -- unless, of course, he slipped into Slider's costume when no one was looking.

 Troy Tulowitzki probably was still smiling, but he was with his Colorado Rockies teammates in Houston.

 And the Indians' opponent Saturday afternoon, the Toronto Blue Jays, had nobody known to be grinding a bat handle toward the Cleveland starting pitcher.

 So Ubaldo Jimenez was free to pitch aggressively and with a clear mind for a few hours at sunny-but-chilly Progressive Field.

 Pitch, he did.

 Jimenez was sensational, carrying a perfect game into the sixth inning and a no-hitter in the seventh. He finished with one hit allowed in seven, but his performance was nowhere near enough as the Indians lost to the Blue Jays, 7-4, in 12 innings at Progressive Field.

The Indians have opened the season with two home losses to Toronto in a combined 28 innings. They have eight runs and 12 hits. Only two of the runs have scored without the benefit of a homer.

read more:  http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/04/post_143.html (http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2012/04/post_143.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 04:16:35 pm

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Ubaldo dropping appeal after Saturday start

By Jordan Bastian / MLB.com | 04/07/12 12:48 PM ET


CLEVELAND -- Ubaldo Jimenez will serve his time, but the pitcher's pending suspension will not affect the Indians' starting rotation.

Cleveland manager Manny Acta indicated that the plan is to have Jimenez drop his appeal of a five-game suspension following the right-hander's start Saturday against the Blue Jays. Jimenez was also hit with a undisclosed fine for hitting Rockies shortstop Troy Tulowitzki last Sunday in a Spring Training game.

"That's probably the plan," Acta said of dropping the appeal. "We're probably going to have to take advantage of the day off coming up and then, that way, we'll just push him up a day and he won't have to miss time."

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120407&content_id=28075124&vkey=news_cle&c_id=cle (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120407&content_id=28075124&vkey=news_cle&c_id=cle)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 04:46:20 pm


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Detroit RHP Doug Fister leaves in 4th inning with apparent injury

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/detroit-rhp-doug-fister-leaves-in-4th-inning-with-apparent-injury/2012/04/07/gIQA6uvL2S_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/detroit-rhp-doug-fister-leaves-in-4th-inning-with-apparent-injury/2012/04/07/gIQA6uvL2S_story.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Shoeless on April 07, 2012, 06:34:10 pm
Marmol for Rios.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 07:58:16 pm

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Tigers to place Fister on disabled list Sunday

By Jason Beck / MLB.com | 04/07/12 8:07 PM ET


DETROIT -- Tigers starter Doug Fister will be placed on the disabled list Sunday with a left rib muscle strain and the club will recall Brayan Villarreal from Triple-A Toledo to take his roster spot.

After striking out Kevin Youkilis looking at a fastball on the outside corner for the second out during the fourth inning of the Tigers' 10-0 win over the Red Sox, Fister fell behind on Ryan Sweeney. Fister spiked a pitch in the dirt on his last pitch, prompting catcher Alex Avila to come out from behind the plate and head athletic trainer Kevin Rand to emerge from the dugout.

After a long talk on the mound, manager Jim Leyland signaled to third-base coach Gene Lamont to call to the bullpen. Duane Below replaced him.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120407&content_id=28083828&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120407&content_id=28083828&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 08:06:29 pm
What's the over & under on Ozzie's big mouth getting him fired in Miami?




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Guillen apologizes for Castro comment

By The Associated Press 7 minutes ago


CINCINNATI (AP)—Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen apologized on Saturday for telling a magazine that he loves Fidel Castro, a comment that prompted to team to issue a statement denouncing the Cuban dictator.

Guillen told Time magazine that he loves Castro and respects him for staying in power so long. When Guillen read his comments Friday, he said he felt sick because he knew how people would react.

Guillen called the team’s beat writers for a closed-door meeting before a game against the Cincinnati Reds on Saturday night and apologized.

“I will apologize if I hurt somebody’s feelings, or I hurt somebody’s thought,” Guillen told the writers. “I want them to know I’m against everything 100 percent—I repeat it again—the way this man (been) treating people for the last 60 years.”

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-marlins-guillen-castro (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-marlins-guillen-castro)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 07, 2012, 09:21:18 pm
Santos blew a save today
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: PeteWard on April 07, 2012, 09:42:48 pm
That makes me smile
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2012, 10:38:07 pm

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Former White Sox pitcher Lucas Harrell spoiled Jamie Moyer's Rockie debut as he pitched 7 scoreless innings in picking up the win as the Astros beat the Rockies 7-3 at Minute Maid Park:

read more:  http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=320407118 (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=320407118)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on April 08, 2012, 07:42:50 am
Santos blew a save today
[

You're welcome.

I have him on my fantasy team.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 09, 2012, 02:12:59 am


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Even nearing 45, 'Little O' continues to amaze
Blue Jays infielder Vizquel still productive at an advanced age


By Anthony Castrovince | MLB.com Columnist | Archive 04/06/12 3:05 PM ET

CLEVELAND -- He was out of position when he first took the field, brought in as a fifth infielder in extra innings and officially listed as the Blue Jays' left fielder before shifting to first base. He wore new colors, and he wore a new number -- No. 17.

But it was Omar Vizquel in the flesh at Progressive Field, the building where he once made so many memories. And it is one of the best stories in baseball to see the seemingly ageless shortstop, mere weeks from his 45th birthday, still suiting up on Opening Day -- and all that comes after -- in this, his 24th Major League season.

"When I take the field," Vizquel said, "I don't want to look like I am my age."

Well, he doesn't, so mission accomplished.

Vizquel is on the verge of becoming the oldest shortstop in the game's long history (once he's officially placed at that position, he'll pass Bobby Wallace, who played 32 games for the Cardinals at age 44 in 1918). And he would be lying if he told you he feels as spry today as he did when he made his debut.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120406&content_id=28015448&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120406&content_id=28015448&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: SoxRule on April 09, 2012, 09:20:06 am
Some interesting things happening over Opening Weekend:  Pirates take 2 of 3 from the Phillies, Royals take 2 of 3 from the Angels, Mets and Astros who are probably the 2 worst teams in baseball also winning their opening series'??  Yankees and Red Sox both getting swept?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 09, 2012, 04:01:05 pm


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In Nats debut, Jackson faces unbeaten Mets

By Andrew Simon / MLB.com | 4/8/2012 5:22 PM ET

At 28 years old, Edwin Jackson is something of an expert at making first impressions.

The right-hander will get his latest opportunity Monday night, when he takes the mound for his Nationals debut against the 3-0 Mets at Citi Field.

Washington is Jackson's seventh organization and fourth in the last two years. He signed a one-year deal with the club in February for $11 million after going 12-9 with a 3.79 ERA for the White Sox and Cardinals in 2011.

"For the most part, I went with what I felt would be better for me. I would be coming here for one year," said Jackson, who hopes to stay beyond 2012. "You never know, it could be more than a one-year deal. Who knows what the future holds?"

read more:  http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_04_09_wasmlb_nynmlb_1&mode=preview&vkey=preview_web_away&c_id=was (http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_04_09_wasmlb_nynmlb_1&mode=preview&vkey=preview_web_away&c_id=was)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 09, 2012, 04:21:38 pm


This is turning into a big deal in South Florida as Ozzie is flying to Miami, in the middle of a series with the Phillies, to hold a press conference on Tuesday and then flying back to Philly for Wednesday's game.  Some Cuban-American groups are calling for a Marlins boycott until Guillen is fired.  It'll be interesting to see if Ozzie can talk his way out of this one:


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Ozzie to address Castro comments in Miami
Amid talk of protests, manager will answer questions on off-day


By Joe Frisaro / MLB.com | 04/09/12 2:19 PM ET


PHILADELPHIA -- Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen will travel to Miami on Monday night and address the media and the people of the Cuban community regarding comments about Fidel Castro that he made in a Time Magazine article.

Initially, Guillen planned to meet with the media in Miami on Friday before the Marlins are scheduled to face the Astros at Marlins Park, but instead, he will do so on Tuesday after talk surfaced of potential protests at Marlins Park. The Marlins called a news conference for 10:30 a.m. ET at Marlins Park on Tuesday.

Guillen will be heading to Miami after the Marlins-Phillies game on Monday afternoon at Citizens Bank Park. "I was planning to do something on Friday," Guillen said. "Tomorrow we have the day off, and I want to make everything clear about what's going on. Then people can see me and talk. I've already talked to people. But I think it's best, the proper thing for them to see my eyes. They can see me and they can ask whatever questions they want. I think the sooner, the better.

read more:  http://miami.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120409&content_id=28238542&vkey=news_mia&c_id=mia (http://miami.marlins.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120409&content_id=28238542&vkey=news_mia&c_id=mia)





Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 09, 2012, 09:24:40 pm
Santos blows his 2nd save in two days, leadoff double to Pedroia, wild pitch to 3B, AGon with SF after fighting off tough pitches.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on April 09, 2012, 09:59:08 pm
Hes just waiting for me to drop him to pick things up...
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2012, 09:40:31 am
While I have heard callers in to Boers and Bernsie yesterday say that they believe Ozzie will be fired, which is what the Cuban community wants, I somehow dont believe that strong of action by Loria will result. But Loria needs all those Cubans to fill the park so who knows. I just somehow doubt something that drastic will result.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: SoxRule on April 10, 2012, 10:28:02 am
Ozzie has been suspended for 5 games. Wow, not even a week into the season and he's already a distraction and having to issue apologies. I wonder if Joe Cowley is going to try to defend him for this one.

Reinsdorf is probably loving a "boring" Ventura now.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on April 10, 2012, 12:34:06 pm
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He sure looks like he's been at the bar getting drunk every night on the road.  Only it looks like it was a 17 day road trip.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on April 10, 2012, 12:37:22 pm
Sorry that was a little itty bitty picture when I snagged it - didn't check the pixcels.  No time to resize though - too bad so sad.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on April 10, 2012, 03:06:25 pm
You think 5 games is sufficient for the Cuban community?  I kinda doubt that.  I see Bud did endorce the Marlins decision.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 10, 2012, 03:48:10 pm
This isn't going to blow over quickly.  Enjoy your stay in Miami Ozzie.  It might be a real short one:

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-4f8475af/turbine/fl-ozzie-guillen-fidel-castro-protest-photos-0-006/600)


(http://www.trbimg.com/img-4f845430/turbine/fl-ozzie-guillen-fidel-castro-protests-photos--004/600)


(http://www.trbimg.com/img-4f845434/turbine/fl-ozzie-guillen-fidel-castro-protests-photos--001/600)


(http://www.trbimg.com/img-4f8475b5/turbine/fl-ozzie-guillen-fidel-castro-protest-photos-0-003/600)
(not a good sign when your team president is listening to your press conference with his arms crossed)





Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Shoeless on April 11, 2012, 04:18:48 pm
Get over it Miami!  Stupid Cubans
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Shoeless on April 11, 2012, 04:21:18 pm
What's the core point of Theology?  Cubs Suck!
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 11, 2012, 04:32:11 pm
 


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Verlander stunned in ninth as Tigers toppled
Rays mount unlikey rally against ace as Detroit takes first loss


By Anthony Odoardi / MLB.com | 4/11/2012 3:55 PM ET


DETROIT -- The Tigers weren't going to win them all. But nobody imagined them losing their first like this.

What started as Justin Verlander's bid at a one-hit shutout in the ninth inning and the Tigers' bid at matching their start from 2006 ended with a four-run ninth-inning rally from the Rays, sending Detroit to a 4-2 defeat Wednesday afternoon before a stunned crowd of 28,180 fans at Comerica Park.

It was the first loss of the year for the Tigers, who had been the American League's last unbeaten team. With their ace and reigning AL MVP on the mound, they seemingly had little chance at losing this once they forged ahead. But the ninth showed why baseball is difficult to predict.

When Jose Valverde's first blown save in more than a year spoiled Verlander's chance at an Opening Day victory last week, the debate centered on whether manager Jim Leyland took out Verlander too soon, even with a previously perfect closer. Wednesday was the flip side.

Verlander had thrown just 81 pitches going into the ninth, and a fifth-inning single from Ben Zobrist as his only base hit allowed. He threw 23 pitches trying to finish it out, but retired only one of the six Rays he faced in the ninth.

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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 11, 2012, 04:39:54 pm

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Sergio Santos picks up his 1st save of the year as Toronto beats the Red Sox 3-1.  Boston is now 1-5 on the season.

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_04_11_bosmlb_tormlb_1&mode=wrap#gid=2012_04_11_bosmlb_tormlb_1&mode=recap&c_id=tor (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_04_11_bosmlb_tormlb_1&mode=wrap#gid=2012_04_11_bosmlb_tormlb_1&mode=recap&c_id=tor)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 11, 2012, 04:48:20 pm


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Kottaras' HR gives Brewers 2-1 win over Cubs

By Paul Sullivan, Tribune reporter, 4:22 p.m. CDT, April 11, 2012


The Cubs' offense hoped to kick it up a gear Wednesday against Brewers starter Yovani Gallardo, who was pounded by St. Louis in Milwaukee's opener, serving up four home runs.

But the Cubs won't be mistaken for the Cardinals any time soon. They entered Wednesday's game with a .226 average and one more extra base hit (12) than St. Louis has home runs (11).

Gallardo shut down the Cubs on one run over seven innings, and the Brewers rallied for a 2-1 win at Wrigley Field, taking the first three games of the four-game series. Relievers Francisco Rodriguez and John Axford combined for six strikeouts over the final two innings.

Steve Clevenger pinch-hit for Marlon Byrd against Axford with two outs in the ninth, doubling to left to keep the Cubs alive, But Reed Johnson strick out, leaving the Cubs with a 1-5 record.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0412-cubs-brewers-chicago--20120412,0,4819554.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0412-cubs-brewers-chicago--20120412,0,4819554.story)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 12, 2012, 07:32:58 am


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Elbow issue ends season for Baker
A tendon will require surgery, so he's done in the final year of his contract


By  LA VELLE E. NEAL III , Star Tribune - Updated: April 12, 2012 - 1:03 AM


Going through three consecutive seasons with elbow problems was enough for Twins righthander Scott Baker.

"I guess the elbow has always been my Achilles' heel," he said Wednesday, seated next to General Manager Terry Ryan in the Twins interview room.

Baker will undergo surgery to clean up a flexor pronator tendon, which is located on the inside of the elbow. The Twins and Baker were relieved to learn that the ulnar collateral ligament, which is replaced during Tommy John surgery, is sound. Unfortunately for Baker, the recovery period following flexor tendon surgery will be about six months, which wipes out his 2012 season before it can begin.

The surgery will be performed, as soon as it can be scheduled, by Mets team physician David Altchek, a prominent elbow specialist who has done Tommy John surgeries in recent years on Joe Nathan and Twins prospect Kyle Gibson.

According to Baker, part of the procedure includes cleaning out scar tissue.

read more:  http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/147092065.html (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/147092065.html)


 
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: SoxRule on April 12, 2012, 07:53:53 am
What's the core point of Theology?  Cubs Suck!

They expect to suck this year, Shoe. But in 3-4 years, watch out. They will be World Series bound. They're just buying time until Brett Jackson and Anthony Rizzo come up and spark that offense!
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 12, 2012, 08:43:55 am
just like Choi, Patterson and Pie did!!!
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 12, 2012, 04:59:47 pm

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Garza dominant as Cubs salvage finale vs. Brewers

By Dave van Dyck, Tribune reporter - 4:14 p.m. CDT, April 12, 2012


The Cubs scored six runs in the third inning Thursday -– more than they had scored in any of their first six games -– and Matt Garza won his first game of the season, 8-0 over the Milwaukee Brewers at Wrigley Field.

After allowing two baserunners in the first inning, Garza retired 15 of the next 16 Brewers. He worked into the ninth but left after committing a throwing error with two outs. He made 119 pitches, allowing only three hits and two walks while striking out nine.
 
With the victory, the Cubs salvaged the last of the four-game series against the defending Central Division champions. They now travel to World Series champion St. Louis for a weekend series.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0413-cubs-brewers-chicago--20120413,0,6982244.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0413-cubs-brewers-chicago--20120413,0,6982244.story)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 12, 2012, 10:57:13 pm

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Moods, bats swing wildly as Twins overtake Angels
After trailing 6-0, the Twins exploded for 10 runs, with home runs from Justin Morneau and Joe Mauer.


by JOE CHRISTENSEN , Star Tribune - Updated: April 12, 2012 - 10:03 PM

Twins newcomer Ryan Doumit was searching for the right word Monday after the team fell to 0-4 while scoring a whopping six runs in the process.

"Don't wake up the sleeping ... dragon," Doumit said. "Because once that happens, hitting's contagious."

By Thursday afternoon, the mythical reptile in Doumit's imagination had sprung to life, breathing fire, as the Twins erased a six-run deficit with home runs by Joe Mauer, Josh Willingham and Justin Morneau and held on for a 10-9 victory at Target Field.

After looking flat as can be last weekend in Baltimore and in Monday's home opener, the Twins wound up taking two of three from an Angels team that was a trendy pick to reach the World Series this spring.

read more:  http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/147224035.html (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/147224035.html)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 12, 2012, 11:05:24 pm


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Boesch leads Tigers to 7-2 win over Rays

The Associated Press – 5 hours ago


DETROIT (AP) When Drew Smyly imagined what his major league debut would be like, he never pictured anything as strange as the real thing.

Just a few days after struggling in his only Triple-A start, the 22-year-old looked far from ready for the big leagues when Tampa Bay immediately loaded the bases on two walks and a single.

''It's been an exciting week, but I was struggling,'' Smyly said after Detroit's 7-2 win Thursday. ''I couldn't get into a groove, but once I got the bases loaded, I told myself that I had to settle down and get out of it.''

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boesch-leads-tigers-7-2-205110989--mlb.html;_ylt=AqPacbMKoQm32zO2LVtwT.0RvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boesch-leads-tigers-7-2-205110989--mlb.html;_ylt=AqPacbMKoQm32zO2LVtwT.0RvLYF)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 12, 2012, 11:13:37 pm

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AP source: Indians agree to $1.25M deal with Damon

By TOM WITHERS | The Associated Press – 4 hours ago


CLEVELAND (AP) The Cleveland Indians may have found a boost for their stagnant offense.

The team has reached agreement on a $1.25 million, one-year contract with free agent outfielder Johnny Damon, a person familiar with the deal said Thursday. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the Indians had not yet announced the agreement.

Damon is 277 hits from 3,000 and was looking to catch on with a team to prolong his career.

Damon needs hits to reach the milestone. The Indians simply need hits.

Agent Scott Boras has worked out a deal with Indians general manager Chris Antonetti, who has been looking for a player to help a Cleveland team off to a 1-4 start and batting just .176 - worst in the majors. Damon can play both left and center field and will give manager Manny Acta another option in his lineup and outfield until Grady Sizemore returns from the disabled list.

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/indians-near-deal-johnny-damon-151059535--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/indians-near-deal-johnny-damon-151059535--mlb.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 12, 2012, 11:25:53 pm


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Michael Morse is out for six weeks

By Adam Kilgore, Washington Post


The Nationals will place cleanup hitter Michael Morse on “total shutdown mode” for six weeks, General Manager Mike Rizzo said, leaving an offense in need of punch without its best slugger for perhaps the entire first half of the season.

Morse re-aggravated the right lat muscle he first strained March 6 on Monday night during a rehab appearance with Class A Hagerstown. The Nationals had expected Morse to make his season debut Thursday in their home opener. Instead, they are left to wait on a hitter who crunched 31 home runs and hit .303 last year before a two-year, $10 million contract extension.

“We tried to ramp him up, get him ready as quickly as we could, because he’s a big piece of our lineup,” Rizzo said. “He just re-aggravated it. So now we’re going to have to be ultra cautious to make sure that he’s right for the majority of the season.”

read more:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/washington-nationals-cleanup-hitter-michael-morse-is-out-for-six-weeks/2012/04/12/gIQAreUiDT_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/washington-nationals-cleanup-hitter-michael-morse-is-out-for-six-weeks/2012/04/12/gIQAreUiDT_story.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 12, 2012, 11:35:09 pm
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Jonathan Broxton becomes first pitcher in 46 years to hit two batters to end a game

http://tinyurl.com/7m4htet (http://tinyurl.com/7m4htet)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on April 13, 2012, 10:46:19 am

 When Drew Smyly imagined what his major league debut would be like, he never pictured anything as strange as the real thing.



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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 13, 2012, 06:46:25 pm



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No protests at Marlins homecoming after Ozzie flap

By STEVEN WINE | The Associated Press – 48 minutes ago


MIAMI (AP) Havana-born Isabel Diaz arrived at the Miami Marlins' ballpark two hours before the first pitch Friday, ready to root for the home team but not quite prepared to forget Ozzie Guillen's remarks about Fidel Castro.

''I'm here to support the players,'' Diaz said, ''and to support all the workers at the stadium who are not at fault for what one ignorant person said.''

For the first time since the furor enveloping their manager began, the Marlins took the field in their new ballpark in Little Havana, opening a six-game homestand against Houston.

Arriving fans were greeted with salsa music and samples of mango smoothies. There was no sign of any demonstrations as the crowd began to arrive, but some fans may have been protesting simply by staying away.

Others attended reluctantly, still angry that Guillen had said he loved and admired Castro. Nancy Azcuy, who came to the United States from Cuban 43 years ago, said she'll give up her season tickets if Guillen is back as manager next season.

''He earns a lot of money to be talking so much trash,'' she said. ''A public figure has to think about what he says.''

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-protests-marlins-homecoming-ozzie-223600646--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/no-protests-marlins-homecoming-ozzie-223600646--mlb.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 14, 2012, 12:07:17 am

Ozzie is getting killed by hypocrits



Pope Benedict called for an end to the U.S. trade embargo against Cuba and met with revolutionary icon Fidel Castro on Wednesday as he ended a trip in which he urged the communist island to change.
 
He also spoke at a public Mass in Havana's sprawling Revolution Square where the Vatican said 300,000 people gathered to hear the 84-year-old pontiff.

In a trip laced with calls for change in Cuba, his last message was aimed at the United States, its longtime ideological foe, which for 50 years has imposed a trade embargo trying to topple the Caribbean island's communist government.

why isn't the Pope under fire?
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 14, 2012, 01:21:06 am
 


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Concern Raised Over Painkiller’s Use in Sports

By KEN BELSON and MARY PILON - Published: April 13, 2012


When Mets pitcher R. A. Dickey partly tore the plantar fascia in his right foot last May, he turned to a treatment that in recent years has become a go-to elixir for professional baseball and football players: Toradol, an injectable anti-inflammatory drug.
 
“It certainly helped, especially in the first months after the injury,” said Dickey, who received injections in his buttocks before about 12 starts. “I don’t think it’s a panacea, but it helps you get where you have to go.”

But some medical experts are concerned about the ways sports teams are using Toradol because so little is known about its possible long-term effects on athletes.

No data are available on the use of the drug by athletes, so it is unclear how frequently Toradol injections are provided and for what ailments, and whether players are told of the potential side effects — all of which has caused tension and a growing awareness among sports medicine experts. Concerns over its widespread use in baseball compelled at least two team doctors to stop using it, according to a medical staff member of a major league team who spoke on condition of anonymity so as not to implicate his team.

read more:  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/14/sports/wide-use-of-painkiller-toradol-before-games-raises-concerns.html?ref=sports (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/14/sports/wide-use-of-painkiller-toradol-before-games-raises-concerns.html?ref=sports)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 14, 2012, 04:43:07 pm


Locking up players risky business
Revenue have-nots are gambling with high stakes to retain players long term


Phil Rogers On Baseball - 3:41 p.m. CDT, April 14, 2012


Are you a g@mbler? Then you too could be a baseball executive.

With the disparity in team revenues growing, teams are trying harder than ever to keep their own players or at least to control what they will earn in arbitration years. The last six months have seen a spike in the number of players signing contract extensions, beginning with the Rays' stunning deal to lock up left-hander Matt Moore after 17 days' service time and continuing through last week with deals for the Rangers' Ian Kinsler and the Indians' Carlos Santana.

Conspicuously absent from this activity are the teams that best can afford to make financial mistakes — the Yankees, Red Sox and Phillies. They can let their guys reach free agency before reaching out to them. The Phillies did that with Jimmy Rollins and seem willing to play that game again with Cole Hamels next winter.

But those teams are the exceptions. Most teams are rolling the dice on future performance. But that's a risky practice that hits home when you consider some of the deals teams would love to get out from under — like those for Alfonso Soriano, Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, Carlos Lee and Barry Zito, among many others.

Then there's the risk of a player taking guaranteed money and then falling apart when his teammates negotiate better deals. That's the Ubaldo Jimenez model. But still, the deals keep coming.

read more:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/sc-spt-0415-notes-rogers-baseball--20120415,0,5080470,full.column (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/sc-spt-0415-notes-rogers-baseball--20120415,0,5080470,full.column)


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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 14, 2012, 07:34:48 pm

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Minnesota Twins claim outfielder Clete Thomas off waivers from Detroit Tigers

    Article by: Associated Press - Updated: April 14, 2012 - 1:39 PM


MINNEAPOLIS - The Minnesota Twins claimed outfielder Clete Thomas off waivers from the Detroit Tigers on Saturday.

To make room on the 40-man roster, the Twins placed starting pitcher Scott Baker on the 60-day disabled list. Baker needs surgery on his right elbow and is out for the season.

read more:  http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/147444415.html (http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/147444415.html)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 14, 2012, 07:42:04 pm


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Darvish leads Rangers over Twins

The Associated Press – 2 hours 50 minutes ago


MINNEAPOLIS (AP) Yu Darvish knows it's going to take time to adjust to major league hitters.

Nothing like a couple of bases-loaded situations to speed that process along.

Darvish kept wriggling out of trouble in five-plus innings, Josh Hamilton homered among his three hits and the Texas Rangers beat the Minnesota Twins 6-2 on Saturday.

''He was much better,'' said Rangers manager Ron Washington when asked to compare Darvish on Saturday to his first outing on April 10. ''Still have to work on getting ahead of hitters quicker. But he was much better today with his command.''

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/snyders-three-hits-lead-rangers-205547837--mlb.html;_ylt=ArvC2XTuRiKhrkqUyCqBzdwRvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/snyders-three-hits-lead-rangers-205547837--mlb.html;_ylt=ArvC2XTuRiKhrkqUyCqBzdwRvLYF)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 14, 2012, 09:08:32 pm
Blackburn left that game with a tight shoulder. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 14, 2012, 11:32:33 pm
 

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Showtime’s ‘The Franchise’ Gets Premiere Date Following Ozzie Guillen Contoversy

By NELLIE ANDREEVA | Friday April 13, 2012 @ 12:30pm PDT


Showtime is looking to capitalize on the controversy surrounding Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen who recently got suspended over his comments in support of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. The pay cable network will preview the upcoming second season of its docu-reality series The Franchise, which center on the Marlins, next Sunday, April 21. Season 2 will premiere July 11.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/showtimes-the-franchise-gets-premiere-date-following-ozzie-guillen-contoversy/ (http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/showtimes-the-franchise-gets-premiere-date-following-ozzie-guillen-contoversy/)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 15, 2012, 01:23:27 am


No need to 'fear the beard' this season:




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SF Giants' Brian Wilson might be out for season

Steve Kroner - Saturday, April 14, 2012


(04-14) 22:42 PDT -- Barely a week into the season, the Giants have to deal with an injury that could leave the team without its closer for the rest of 2012.

Brian Wilson has "structural issues" with his right elbow, in the words of manager Bruce Bochy. And, Bochy conceded Saturday afternoon, Wilson "likely ... is heading toward surgery."

The Giants planned to get second and third opinions on the MRI exam Wilson had Friday. But assuming those opinions aren't dramatically different, Wilson appears to be out for the season.

Read more:  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/14/SPBU1O3GI9.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/14/SPBU1O3GI9.DTL)




 
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 15, 2012, 05:31:09 pm

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Scully returning to Dodgers booth after illness
Hall of Fame announcer Vin Scully is back in the booth at Dodger Stadium after missing five games because of a bad cold.


LOS ANGELES -- Vin Scully, the Hall of Fame broadcaster for the Los Angeles Dodgers, said he was profoundly disappointed at missing the team's home opener for just the second time in his 63 years in the booth last week, especially because of a pregame ceremony honoring the 50th anniversary of Dodger Stadium.

"I wanted to be here so badly, especially to see all the guys who were here from the '62 club," Scully said Sunday, about two hours before calling his first game after missing five games due to a severe cold. "I was so angry at myself for being sick. But then I thought, I didn't do anything to make myself sick, so I could just be angry at the fates. There was disappointment and, of course, a little self-pity.

"Finally, I decided that was enough of the emotion, let's see if I can get myself well."

read more:  http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/sports/pro/baseball&sa=MLB&eid=7816314 (http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/sports/pro/baseball&sa=MLB&eid=7816314)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 16, 2012, 07:18:50 am

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Mayor has ‘Fenway Plan’ for Wrigley to maximize potential

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter - April 16, 2012 12:44AM


More outfield signage behind the Wrigley Field bleachers, possibly including a Jumbotron in right field. Street closings on Sheffield and Waveland every game day to make way for money-making street fairs.

Sponsored “gateway” archways that welcome people to “Wrigleyville: Home of the Cubs” from various directions. More concerts and football games at Wrigley along with a stadium club, restaurant and several thousand premium-priced seats.

Determined to renovate 98-year-old Wrigley without overburdening taxpayers, sources said Mayor Rahm Emanuel is pushing a plan to relax the ballpark’s landmark status and allow the Cubs to wring as much as $150 million in advertising and sponsorship revenues out of the stadium and surrounding streets.

The mayor privately calls it his “Fenway” plan — and why not? Century-old Fenway Park, home of the Boston Red Sox, remains the model of how to turn an iconic old ballpark landlocked by a city neighborhood into a festive money-maker.

read more:  http://www.suntimes.com/11884774-417/mayor-has-fenway-plan-for-wrigley-to-maximize-potential.html (http://www.suntimes.com/11884774-417/mayor-has-fenway-plan-for-wrigley-to-maximize-potential.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 17, 2012, 06:41:48 am


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Valentine has rebuilding to do in clubhouse
Boston manager dealing with backlash of criticizing Youkilis


By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 04/16/12 6:25 PM ET

BOSTON -- If you thought you were having a bad day, you should have walked a mile in Bobby Valentine's shoes on Monday. You would have gotten into a public spat with one of your most respected players. Your clubhouse would have turned on you. You would have left your young starting pitcher in just long enough to lose a game. Finally, you would have gotten booed loudly by the home fans.

That's Bobby V.'s Monday in a nutshell.

For one of the few times in his life, he seemed genuinely humbled. He either didn't mean to pick a fight with Kevin Youkilis or misjudged the reaction to it.

Maybe Valentine thought things were getting a little quiet around Fenway Park and that he needed to shake things up. OK, I see you're not buying that one. I had a tough time selling it to myself, so never mind.

What if Valentine thought questioning his most respected player's commitment would light a fire under him? After all, Youkilis is hitting just .200 and hasn't homered. You're not buying that one either, are you?

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120416&content_id=28823264&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120416&content_id=28823264&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: SoxRule on April 17, 2012, 10:45:43 am
Luke Scott calls Fenway Park a dump (and gets a little dig in at Wrigley, too). Says he hates Red Sox fans who are arrogant and ruthless. When speaking about fans, he calls St. Louis fans the classiest in the game. Heh, Cub fans will hate that one:

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 17, 2012, 12:10:27 pm
It is a dump, even for the fans, not just the players. The concourses are dark and dank and much too small for the crowd. They make Wrigley's concourses look bright and airy. Food sucks. The famed Fenway Frank is served on something resembling Wonder Bread. No likey.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 17, 2012, 03:22:38 pm


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Valentine has rebuilding to do in clubhouse
Boston manager dealing with backlash of criticizing Youkilis


By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 04/16/12 6:25 PM ET

BOSTON -- If you thought you were having a bad day, you should have walked a mile in Bobby Valentine's shoes on Monday. You would have gotten into a public spat with one of your most respected players. Your clubhouse would have turned on you. You would have left your young starting pitcher in just long enough to lose a game. Finally, you would have gotten booed loudly by the home fans.

That's Bobby V.'s Monday in a nutshell.

For one of the few times in his life, he seemed genuinely humbled. He either didn't mean to pick a fight with Kevin Youkilis or misjudged the reaction to it.

Maybe Valentine thought things were getting a little quiet around Fenway Park and that he needed to shake things up. OK, I see you're not buying that one. I had a tough time selling it to myself, so never mind.

What if Valentine thought questioning his most respected player's commitment would light a fire under him? After all, Youkilis is hitting just .200 and hasn't homered. You're not buying that one either, are you?

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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 17, 2012, 03:44:18 pm


Marlins eye 'business as usual' as Ozzie returns
Despite extra media attention, club eager to be 'whole' again


By David Villavicencio / Special to MLB.com | 04/16/12 2:09 PM ET

MIAMI -- The Marlins will soon be whole again.

After missing the past five games, Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen will rejoin his team on Tuesday in the series opener against the Cubs. The organization suspended Guillen for five games due to comments he made to Time magazine about Cuban leader Fidel Castro.

"It will be nice to have him back and for us to be whole," Marlins catcher John Buck said. "Somebody in the family is not here. It will be good to have him back and know that he's among us. If you're a coach, player, manager, and you're away, it does not feel right when you're not with the team. I think it will be good for him and his family."

Bench coach Joey Cora was the acting manager in Guillen's absence. Miami went 2-3 during the suspension, and a couple of the losses were close ones. Cora, who spoke with Guillen daily during the suspension, says the manager suffered just as much as the team did during those games.

"He's away looking at the games on TV, and that's tough," Cora said. "He wants to be here. He wants to go through it with us. That makes it even tougher for him, but he'll be here soon enough. He'll be here Tuesday, and that should be interesting."

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on April 17, 2012, 03:49:53 pm
Quote
Pope Benedict called for an end to the U.S. trade embargo against Cuba and met with revolutionary icon Fidel Castro on Wednesday as he ended a trip in which he urged the communist island to change.
 
He also spoke at a public Mass in Havana's sprawling Revolution Square where the Vatican said 300,000 people gathered to hear the 84-year-old pontiff.

In a trip laced with calls for change in Cuba, his last message was aimed at the United States, its longtime ideological foe, which for 50 years has imposed a trade embargo trying to topple the Caribbean island's communist government.

why isn't the Pope under fire?

Better yet, why isn't the Pope the manager of a major league baseball team?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 17, 2012, 06:18:49 pm
Donn Pall?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 18, 2012, 10:26:27 pm


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Gomez suspended 5 games by MLB

The Associated Press – 2 hours 39 minutes ago


NEW YORK (AP) Cleveland pitcher Jeanmar Gomez has been suspended for five games and fined by Major League Baseball, which concluded he intentionally threw at the Royals' Mike Moustakas last weekend.

Gomez and Cleveland manager Manny Acta said Wednesday that Gomez will appeal the suspension.

''We respect the league's decisions, and we'll make the proper adjustments,'' Acta said. ''Gomez is going to appeal and he will pitch on Saturday against Oakland. Then probably, after that, he'll drop it and pitch again the very next Saturday.''

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/gomez-suspended-5-games-mlb-004212582--mlb.html;_ylt=Ap9ZhHiIxKhI7vjo1311BrMRvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/gomez-suspended-5-games-mlb-004212582--mlb.html;_ylt=Ap9ZhHiIxKhI7vjo1311BrMRvLYF)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 18, 2012, 10:36:00 pm

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AP source: Ivan Rodriguez to retire

By RONALD BLUM | The Associated Press – 2 hours 45 minutes ago


NEW YORK (AP) Ivan Rodriguez plans to announce his retirement Monday, ending a 21-year major league career that included a record 13 Gold Gloves at catcher.

A person familiar with the arrangements said Rodriguez intends to make the announcement in Arlington, Texas, where the Rangers start a homestand Monday against the New York Yankees. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the team had not made an announcement.

A 14-time All-Star known as Pudge, Rodriguez spent his first 12 major league seasons with the Rangers and won the 1999 American League MVP with Texas, when he hit .332 with 35 homers and 113 RBIs. He returned to the Rangers briefly in 2009.

Rodriguez becomes the third longtime catcher to retire since last season ended, joining Jorge Posada and Jason Varitek.

Rodriguez finishes with a .296 batting average, 2,884 hits, 311 home runs and 1,332 RBIs. He broke the record of 10 Gold Gloves at catcher that had been held by Johnny Bench and hit .300 or better 10 times. He was a World Series champion with the Florida Marlins in 2003.

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-ivan-rodriguez-retire-000732131--mlb.html;_ylt=AvNTq4LbmjIaUfFQP3r1rCURvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-ivan-rodriguez-retire-000732131--mlb.html;_ylt=AvNTq4LbmjIaUfFQP3r1rCURvLYF)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on April 19, 2012, 04:58:19 pm
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Ivan Rodriguez plans to announce his retirement Monday, ending a 21-year major league career ...

Damn.  One less lobster for Kenny to defrost.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 01:54:46 am
 

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Special pregame ceremony set for Fenway
Plenty of Red Sox alumni to attend Friday's gala celebration


By Evan Drellich / MLB.com | 04/19/12 6:58 PM ET


BOSTON -- During Friday's gala pregame celebration, the Red Sox will encapsulate a century of Fenway Park into one day and one heck of a 37,000-seat ballpark.

All living Red Sox uniformed personnel whom the team could track down were invited to participate in Friday's ceremony, which is scheduled to start a little after 2 p.m. ET. The pregame ceremony will air live on redsox.com and MLB.com.

The Red Sox and Yankees play at 3:05 p.m. ET on Friday -- which marks the 100-year anniversary of Fenway's first Major League game -- but the rivalry, at least for the pregame ceremony, will be merely a backdrop. And it takes quite a lot to make those two teams' on-field interests play second fiddle.

"To think that this building from today -- it's unique, and I think it's unique in all of sports what's happening right now," manager Bobby Valentine said Thursday in his clubhouse office. "And it's great to be a part of it."

No other Major League park has existed for 100 years.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120419&content_id=29112606&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120419&content_id=29112606&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on April 20, 2012, 08:33:01 am
Can we offer them Alex Rios as a commemorative gift?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 20, 2012, 09:08:13 am
We'll take Ted Williams' head in exchange.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on April 20, 2012, 09:41:57 am
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We'll take Ted Williams' head in exchange.

Great trade.  We'll give 'em a player with no heart and leave 'em with a legend with no head.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on April 20, 2012, 10:10:30 am
PTNL
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on April 20, 2012, 10:11:32 am
I laughed audibly.

Who'd be our resident Cowardly Lion?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: PeteWard on April 20, 2012, 11:19:55 am
I went to Fenway once, way back in 1972.  Back then it was just a dump.

Now I guess it's an old dump, which make's it pretty special. 
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on April 20, 2012, 12:11:19 pm
I was there 4 years ago.

It was an old dump.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 04:06:18 pm


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Lance Berkman heads to DL

Associated Press - Updated: April 20, 2012, 3:41 PM ET


ST. LOUIS -- St. Louis Cardinals first baseman Lance Berkman has been placed on the 15-day disabled list, as expected, with a left calf strain aggravated chasing a pop fly.

The move was made retroactive to Thursday.

Utility man Skip Schumaker was activated from the 15-day disabled list in time for Friday night's game at Pittsburgh. Schumaker played in four games during a rehab assignment with Triple-A Memphis and was 3 for 13 with two walks and two strikeouts.

read more:  http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7833393/st-louis-cardinals-place-lance-berkman-dl (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7833393/st-louis-cardinals-place-lance-berkman-dl)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 04:10:57 pm


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RHP Miner traded from Royals to Tigers

The Associated Press – 3 hours ago


DETROIT (AP) The Detroit Tigers have acquired right-hander Zach Miner from the Kansas City Royals for cash. He will report to Double-A Erie this weekend.

The Tigers announced the move Friday.

Miner, who turned 30 last month, appeared in 157 games for the Tigers from 2006-09, including 35 starts. He went 25-20 with a 4.24 ERA over that span but hasn't pitched in the majors since. He had surgery on his right elbow in May 2010 and signed a minor league deal with the Royals before last season.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rhp-miner-traded-royals-tigers-171905609--mlb.html;_ylt=AjjwMCOybdJLfj8YhX00UyYRvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rhp-miner-traded-royals-tigers-171905609--mlb.html;_ylt=AjjwMCOybdJLfj8YhX00UyYRvLYF)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 04:16:35 pm

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Indians closer Chris Perez fined $750 for tweet

USA Today - Updated 5h 33m ago


Indians closer Chris Perez has been fined $750 by Major League Baseball for a "reckless" message on his Twitter account after a benches-clearing incident in Kansas City.

After pitchers for the Indians and Royals hit batters, touching off two benches-clearing incidents last Saturday, Perez posted a message on his account that said: "Huge team win tonight; time for a sweep to tell the Royals it's not 'Our Time', it's (hash)TribeTime. P.S. You hit us, we hit you. Period."

read more:  http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/indians/story/2012-04-20/chris-perez-twitter-fine/54432210/1 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/indians/story/2012-04-20/chris-perez-twitter-fine/54432210/1)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 04:28:15 pm


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Kerry Wood to DL; Ryan Dempster iffy

ESPNChicago.com - Updated: April 20, 2012, 3:18 PM ET


The Chicago Cubs, losers of five straight games, might be down two key pitchers heading into their three-game series starting Friday against the Cincinnati Reds.

The Cubs put reliever Kerry Wood on the 15-day disabled list with right shoulder fatigue.

Ryan Dempster had an MRI on his right quad Friday and his start against the Reds on Sunday is questionable, according to a source familiar with the situation.

Randy Wells will be recalled from Triple-A Iowa and get the start if Dempster cannot pitch.

The Cubs are recalling Scott Maine from Triple-A Iowa to take Wood's place.

read more:  http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7836135/chicago-cubs-kerry-wood-dl-ryan-dempster-questionable-source-says (http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7836135/chicago-cubs-kerry-wood-dl-ryan-dempster-questionable-source-says)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 04:58:11 pm


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Pudge unquestionably a Hall of Famer

 By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 04/19/12 11:47 PM ET


Ivan Rodriguez made throws that took your breath away: laser-like throws to second base, snap throws to first. For a lot of us, his legacy begins there. When you went to see him play, you hoped to see one of those throws -- not a home run or a game-winning hit, but one of those amazing throws.

Other than maybe Ozzie Smith and Brooks Robinson, I'm not sure there has ever been a great player who thrilled fans more with his defense than his offense. Make no mistake: His defense sold tickets.

Rodriguez became a huge star in Dallas-Fort Worth. It was the things he accomplished on the field, but it was the way he did them. He played hard, played with passion and fans appreciated him. He became one of the faces of the franchise and helped the Rangers to their first three postseason appearances in 1996, '98 and '99.

He led the American League in throwing out basestealers nine times, including eight times when he got more than 50 percent.

But those numbers don't tell the whole story. For one thing, most bases are stolen because the pitcher isn't paying attention. For another, some teams stopped challenging Pudge's arm.

Opposing teams attempted 110 steals in Pudge's first full season of 1992 and 115 in his second. In his third and fourth seasons, those numbers were down to 77 and 94.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 05:14:32 pm

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Former White Sox Pitcher to lead Bolts Pitching Staff in 2012

The Windy City ThunderBolts announced that former Chicago White Sox pitcher, Ehren Wassermann will be the 2012 Pitching Coach under Field Manager Morgan Burkhart. Wassermann was hired after current professional commitments forced recently hired ThunderBolts Pitching Coach Bobby Post to resign effective immediately.

Wassermann brings his wealth of pitching and Major League experience to the ThunderBolts pitching staff in 2012. His extensive resume includes being signed by the Chicago White Sox as an amateur free agent in 2003. The right handed, sidearmed pitcher made his Major League debut in a White Sox uniform on July 20, 2007 against the Boston Red Sox at Fenway Park where he retired the only two batters he faced. Wassermann appeared in 33 games in 2007 while posting a 1-1 record and a 2.74 ERA, striking out 14 and walking 7.

read more:  http://triblocal.com/palos-heights/community/stories/2012/03/former-white-sox-pitcher-to-lead-bolts-pitching-staff-in-2012/ (http://triblocal.com/palos-heights/community/stories/2012/03/former-white-sox-pitcher-to-lead-bolts-pitching-staff-in-2012/)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2012, 10:44:08 pm

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Ozzie considers Castro a future MVP

By Doug Padilla | ESPNChicago.com - Apr 18th 6:10PM CT


MIAMI -- The way Ozzie Guillen sees it, Starlin Castro will win an MVP one day.

The former Chicago White Sox Gold Glove winner and manager turned Miami Marlins skipper considers Castro to be not only one of the best players at his position in the game, but one of the fastest rising talents who will only get better.

It’s high praise from not only somebody that, didn't necessarily hit, but played the position at a high level but has been around some great shortstops in his time. He basically has two current greats at the position on his own team in Jose Reyes and Hanley Ramirez, who was moved to third base this season.

read more:  http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/9326/ozzie-considers-castro-a-future-mvp (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/9326/ozzie-considers-castro-a-future-mvp)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: WshflThinking on April 21, 2012, 08:38:42 am
LOL
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 21, 2012, 02:27:37 pm
Porcello was so dominant vs the Sox his last start, then today he gives up 8 in the 1st against the Rangers. Cripes.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2012, 09:30:12 pm


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Arizona places RHP Hudson on DL with sore shoulder

The Associated Press – 4 hours ago


PHOENIX (AP) The Arizona Diamondbacks, already troubled by injuries, have placed right-hander Daniel Hudson on the 15-day disabled list with a right shoulder impingement.

Hudson, the No. 2 starter behind Ian Kennedy, was 1-1 with a 6.00 ERA in three starts. He allowed two runs and six hits in 7 2-3 innings against Pittsburgh on Wednesday.

Arizona recalled right-hander Jonathan Albaledejo from Triple-A Reno to take Hudson's roster spot. Albaledejo was 1-1 with a 2.35 ERA in eight relief appearances for Reno.

Hudson joins center fielder Chris Young and backup third baseman on the disabled list for Arizona. The team has also been without right fielder Justin Upton because of a sore thumb.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/arizona-places-rhp-hudson-dl-215940298--mlb.html;_ylt=AtFDJ6yoXeSttMyYvHpktpgRvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/arizona-places-rhp-hudson-dl-215940298--mlb.html;_ylt=AtFDJ6yoXeSttMyYvHpktpgRvLYF)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2012, 09:47:10 pm


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Lee placed on disabled list

By Matt Gelb - INQUIRER STAFF WRITER


SAN DIEGO - Three days after pitching 10 shutout innings, Cliff Lee was placed on the 15-day disabled list Saturday with a left oblique strain. The Phillies believe Lee may only miss a few starts, but his status is largely uncertain.

"With obliques, you just don't know how long they're going to take," Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said. "He's shown improvement. We're hopeful that he's only going to miss a couple of starts."

The Phillies now have $57.75 million in 2012 salary on the disabled list. Kyle Kendrick will take Lee's spot in the rotation Monday against Arizona. Lee is eligible to be activated May 4.

He injured himself on a pitch in the 10th inning Wednesday. Lee was the first Phillies starter to pitch into the 10th since Terry Mulholland in 1993 and the first in baseball since 2007. But Amaro does not think the long outing was the cause of the injury. Lee threw 102 pitches. In 2011, he eclipsed that number 19 times.

Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Lee_placed_on_disabled_list.html (http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phillies/Lee_placed_on_disabled_list.html)






 
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2012, 10:09:51 pm


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Red Sox acquire CF Marlon Byrd from Cubs

By JIMMY GOLEN | The Associated Press – 11 minutes ago


BOSTON (AP) The Boston Red Sox acquired center fielder Marlon Byrd from the Chicago Cubs on Saturday in an attempt to shore up their injury-plagued outfield and reverse an early season slide.

With Jacoby Ellsbury sidelined by a partially dislocated right shoulder and Carl Crawford rehabbing a left elbow injury, the Red Sox took Byrd off Chicago's hands in exchange for reliever Michael Bowden and a player to be named. The Cubs will pay part of Byrd's salary, which is $6.5 million this year.

''Marlon took it as you would expect,'' Cubs general manager Jed Hoyer said. ''He was really professional about it. ... I think he's excited to have the opportunity in Boston.''

read more:  http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-sox-acquire-cf-marlon-020753578--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/red-sox-acquire-cf-marlon-020753578--mlb.html)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 21, 2012, 10:26:55 pm

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Cubs RHP Dempster goes on DL with strained quad


The Associated Press – 10 hours ago


CHICAGO (AP) Cubs right-hander Ryan Dempster has been placed on the 15-day disabled list with a strained right quadriceps.

Chicago also recalled outfielder Tony Campana from Triple-A Iowa on Saturday.

Dempster (0-1) was scheduled to make his fourth start Sunday against the Reds. He has allowed only three earned runs this season, but the Cubs have scored just three runs while he's been in the game.

Chicago will recall right-hander Randy Wells to start in Dempster's pace Sunday. Wells was 1-0 with a 9.42 ERA for Triple-A Iowa in three starts. Wells made 23 starts for the Cubs last season and was 7-6 with a 4.99 ERA.

Campana hit .304 with eight stolen bases in 14 games for Iowa.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cubs-rhp-dempster-goes-dl-163354054--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cubs-rhp-dempster-goes-dl-163354054--mlb.html)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 22, 2012, 05:07:20 pm
KW might have been real wise to have traded Santos, shoulders are the worst nowadays moreso than the elbows.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7841577/sergio-santos-put-disabled-list-toronto-blue-jays
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on April 22, 2012, 07:57:25 pm
I don't think he's wise.  I think he might have lucked out.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 22, 2012, 09:04:21 pm
I'm OK with the Sergio trade, the guy was pitching great then the batters started to adjust. As for being lucky, maybe so, but it is unreal how healthy the Sox have been compared to other teams over the years.

Lilly ought to play everyday, with Beckham, Morel, and Viciedo each sitting every third day until they start to hit.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on April 24, 2012, 11:47:59 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/omar-vizquel-turns-45-with-a-chance-to-become-the-all-time-elder-statesman-among-shortstops.html;_ylt=AohGq__G0.osnpbqltdKMkQRvLYF

An article about our favorite on-field mentor.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 24, 2012, 03:24:47 pm


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Reds put LH setup man Bray on DL

By JOE KAY | The Associated Press – 2 hours 17 minutes ago


CINCINNATI (AP) The Reds have put left-handed setup man Bill Bray on the 15-day disabled list with a strained groin that has bothered him since spring training.

The move on Tuesday is retroactive to April 19. Bray gave up four hits and three runs during an 11-1 loss to St. Louis on April 18. The Reds already were missing closer Ryan Madson, out for the season with a torn elbow ligament.

Bray led the staff and finished tied for second in the National League with 79 appearances last season. He missed much of spring training with the strained groin, and made only five appearances before going on the DL.

The Reds called up right-hander J.J. Hoover from Triple-A Louisville. They got Hoover from the Braves in a trade on April 1.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/reds-put-lh-setup-man-180333716--mlb.html;_ylt=AnIXDZOTJoqAQgtjG1I.hXMRvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/reds-put-lh-setup-man-180333716--mlb.html;_ylt=AnIXDZOTJoqAQgtjG1I.hXMRvLYF)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 24, 2012, 03:36:35 pm


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Mets put LF Jason Bay on DL with broken rib

The Associated Press – 2 hours 23 minutes ago

 
NEW YORK (AP) The New York Mets have put left fielder Jason Bay on the 15-day disabled list, a day after he broke a rib while trying to make a diving catch.

The Mets said Tuesday that an MRI exam showed a nondisplaced fracture on Bay's left side. Infielder Zach Lutz was recalled from Triple-A Buffalo.

Bay was hurt Monday night during a doubleheader sweep by San Francisco. In the fourth inning of the second game, Bay ran back on a long fly by Gregor Blanco. The ball bounced out of Bay's glove for a two-run double and he landed face-first near the warning track.

Bay left the game a few innings later. The 33-year-old Bay is hitting .240 with three home runs. Lutz was hitting .333 with three homers for Buffalo.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on April 24, 2012, 03:48:16 pm
Bad day for Brey/Bay
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on April 24, 2012, 03:56:41 pm
E - Bay
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 24, 2012, 04:49:34 pm


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Jeter defying all who wrote him off

By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 04/24/12 12:30 AM ET


ARLINGTON -- Looking back on it, Derek Jeter did attempt to tell us there'd be more times like this. Let's give him that right up front. Our hats are off to you, buddy.

The thing is, we were so busy writing his career obituary that we really didn't listen. Just between us, if your friendly neighborhood columnist had a nickel for every aging player who said the same thing, he'd be on easy street.

They always talk about mechanical adjustments and working harder and being patient. They warn us not to doubt them because haven't they always delivered in the past?

In this case, our mistake was failing to recognize that Jeter has never been like other players. He has always been more driven, more gifted, more of almost everything.

Jeter is at that point in his career, beginning his 19th season, where we can realize how lucky we've all been to watch this guy play baseball. Still, when he was hitting .260 last season, it was so easy to believe his best days were behind him.

read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120423&content_id=29486890&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120423&content_id=29486890&vkey=perspectives&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 25, 2012, 09:31:26 pm


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Yankees RHP Pineda out for season

By STEPHEN HAWKINS | The Associated Press – 33 minutes ago


ARLINGTON, Texas (AP) New York Yankees starter Michael Pineda will miss the entire season because of a tear in the labrum of his right shoulder.

The Yankees said the right-hander will have arthroscopic surgery Tuesday in New York and be out for about a year.

''It's a loss,'' manager Joe Girardi said Wednesday. ''He was a guy that we were counting on this year. We traded for him, and unfortunately he's hurt.''

New York acquired Pineda from Seattle in January, giving up top catching prospect Jesus Montero to get the 23-year-old All-Star pitcher.

Pineda felt weakness in his shoulder during an extended spring training game Saturday, which came three weeks after he had problems in a spring training start. The tear was discovered in a medical exam after that.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 26, 2012, 12:08:17 pm
I pretty much hate everyone involved in the Yankee/Rangers-game-crying-boy-and-couple thing which is all over the webs, including Michael Kay. That little fukking whiny brat needs to learn to sac up, things don't get get any easier going forward little deuchy. The couple is the epitome of self-absorbed. And I just can't stand Michael Kay and his awful voice and his "see ya" bullshiit.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on April 26, 2012, 01:23:05 pm
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Still, when he was hitting .260 last season, it was so easy to believe his best dates were behind him.

Fixed that.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 29, 2012, 06:47:34 pm

Screw the Ricketts family.  Those greedy bast@rds want a kickback of the amusement tax not just until the bonds are repaid for the renovations of Wrigley Field but in perpetuity.  The amusement tax helps pay for the costs of increased police presence on game days and clean up to public areas for damage caused by the drunken fans.

Let them slap an average of a $10 surcharge onto every ticket sold at all events (games, concerts, etc.) at Wrigley Field for Wrigley renovations and allow that $10 "Wrigley Field preservation surcharge" to be exempt from the city/county amusement tax until the bonds are repaid.  Let the sheep who enter Chewing Gum Field pay for the renovations.  Wrigley Field is not like Soldier Field or The Cell.  Wrigley is privately owned while both Soldier Field and U.S. Cellular Field are publicly owned. No public funds should be used to renovate private property.





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Here's the financial deal Cubs want to rebuild Wrigley

by Greg Hinz - Crain's Chicago Business - April 25, 2012


So exactly what deal do the Cubs and their owning Ricketts family want from Mayor Rahm Emanuel in the recent talks about how to rebuild Wrigley Field?

Someone who would know has given me the details. Though things are still moving around, the public is being asked to put in both less and more than you might suspect.

On the table is a $500 million or so plan — $300 million to reconstruct the nearly century-old Wrigley and $200 million for the "Triangle" parking, entertainment and multiuse structure off the west wall of the ballpark.

The family and/or team would pay for the Triangle building. That means $300 million is needed for the ballpark proper.

Half would come from the team, presumably in increased revenue from more signage inside Wrigley and retail and other entertainment in what amounts to a game-day carnival on Waveland Avenue on Wrigley's north side and Sheffield Avenue to the east.

And half would come from $150 million or so in bonds to be retired with increased revenue from the existing city and Cook County amusement taxes on ticket sales. Specifically, debt service would get the first 6 percent in growth above a base level of around $15 million a year now.

But it's a little more complicated than that.

Read more:  http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120425/BLOGS02/120429892/heres-the-financial-deal-cubs-want-to-rebuild-wrigley (http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120425/BLOGS02/120429892/heres-the-financial-deal-cubs-want-to-rebuild-wrigley)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 02, 2012, 07:27:57 am



Kansas City's 0-10 at home and they're still 1/2 a game ahead of the 5th place Twinkies in the standings.

Minnesota suck$.

Wonder if Gardy makes it through the entire season?



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on May 02, 2012, 07:44:35 am
I imagine he will with Kelly back in charge. I would be surprised if they let the genii leave.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 05, 2012, 07:55:38 pm
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Marlins demote struggling Bell from closer's role
Bell is 0-3 with an 11.42 ERA in 11 games and has blown 4 saves in 7 chances this season. The right-hander has allowed 15 hits in 8 2-3 innings with 10 walks and only six strikeouts.

The Associated Press – 17 minutes ago


SAN DIEGO (AP) One day after blowing his fourth save this season, the Miami Marlins demoted closer Heath Bell from that role.

Manager Ozzie Guillen, who hinted at the move in recent days, said Saturday he couldn't wait any longer for the struggling Bell to correct his problems.

''Right now, we are going through a tough time,'' Guillen said. ''It happens to the best of them. We are going to move him down for maybe a few days. It's not like we are removing him from the job. ... I made it very clear, it's not a punishment.''

Bell blew his fourth save in seven opportunities Friday night when he allowed the San Diego Padres to tie the score at 8 with a run in the ninth. Miami eventually won its fourth straight game on Omar Infante's RBI double in the 12th inning.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2012, 02:33:34 pm


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Werth has wrist surgery, out at least 12 weeks
Nationals right fielder injured attempting to make sliding catch


By Bill Ladson / MLB.com | 05/07/12 1:57 PM ET


WASHINGTON -- Nationals right fielder Jayson Werth had left wrist surgery on Monday, according to a baseball source. He is expected to be out at least 12 weeks. It is believed a steel plate was inserted in his wrist.

Having wrist problems is nothing new to Werth. He broke the same wrist as a member of the Dodgers in 2005. He ended up missing all of 2006 because of the injury.

Werth, manager Davey Johnson nor general manager Mike Rizzo were available for comment.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2012, 02:41:36 pm


Cole Hamels is a fool.  Why admit you threw at Harper?  It's going to cost him a five game suspension.  Dumb@ss.




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Cole Hamels admits that he intentionally hit Bryce Harper with a pitch

By David Brown | Big League Stew – 13 hours ago


The pitch seemed to have a purpose when Cole Hamels hit Bryce Harper in the back with it during the first inning Sunday night. Later on, after the Philadelphia Phillies had beaten the Washington Nationals 9-3, Hamels admitted that it did. As quoted by reporter Matt Gelb of the Philadelphia Inquirer, Hamels said:

"I was trying to hit him. I'm not going to deny it."

By admitting to hitting a player on purpose, Hamels probably faces a five-game suspension by Major League Baseball, the net result of which probably will be having a future start pushed back one day. So, no real penalty for him, aside from a small fine.

Harper winced briefly after getting hit,  but he otherwise did the right thing by just walking to first base. But while Harper later said he didn't have a problem with Hamels' throw, Nationals GM Mike Rizzo had a much different take than his phenom player.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on May 07, 2012, 03:02:03 pm
I think it's kind of cool... the way Hamels was talking, it's more of a "welcome to the big leagues. I'll get this out of the way for you" sort of badge of honor.

But yeah - he'll be suspended.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on May 07, 2012, 07:35:13 pm
He's a pitcher.  The suspension will amount to nothing other than pusing a start back a day.  The Phillies will probably give him his pay in some sort of a bonus format.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 08, 2012, 04:36:45 pm


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Marlins' g@mble on Big Z is paying off

By Richard Justice | MLB.com Columnist | 05/08/12 12:44 AM ET


HOUSTON -- To the outside world, Miami's Carlos Zambrano is the combustible star seemingly bent on destroying his own career.

"The outside view of him is nothing like he really is," Marlins outfielder Giancarlo Stanton said.

How so?

He's quiet," Stanton said. "He's a great guy."

In another part of the visitor's clubhouse at Minute Maid Park, there's a similar view.

"Since he walked in here, he has been nothing but awesome, [in] every way you can think of," catcher John Buck said. "He's kind of a favorite in this clubhouse."

Yes, Zambrano is still a bundle of nerves and energy on the mound. That's probably never going to change.

"He's a different human being on the field," Stanton said. "He gets real antsy. He's very emotional and plays the game hard. In the past it got a little out of hand."

Manager Ozzie Guillen is not afraid of that Zambrano. In fact, he embraces him.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 09, 2012, 06:27:05 am


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McCarthy pushed back with shoulder issue

By Jane Lee / MLB.com | 05/09/12 3:20 AM ET


OAKLAND -- Shoulder issues, which have plagued much of Brandon McCarthy's career, kept the right-hander from making his scheduled start Tuesday, as the A's pushed his turn back to Saturday.

But even that's not a guarantee. McCarthy will have to exit his bullpen session Thursday without "anything that gives me caution or pause," he said, in order to be cleared for the outing against Detroit. However, he already underwent an MRI that came back clean.

McCarthy insists the soreness in his right shoulder isn't serious, particularly compared to what he's experienced in the past and, most recently, last year, when he missed six weeks because of a stress reaction in his right scapula. The same injury has surfaced in four of his past five seasons, and McCarthy believes he's taking extra precautionary steps this time.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 09, 2012, 06:31:41 am

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Santos begins rehab for right shoulder injury

By Gregor Chisholm / MLB.com | 05/08/12 10:20 PM ET


OAKLAND -- While the Blue Jays flew to Oakland on Sunday night, closer Sergio Santos headed to Florida to begin his rehab from a right shoulder injury.

Santos was placed on the 15-day disabled list on April 21 with inflammation in his shoulder. He was recently re-evaluated by Dr. Lewis Yocum and received a clean bill of health to resume throwing.

On Tuesday, Santos threw for the first time since suffering the injury and is scheduled to go through a similar routine the following day.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on May 09, 2012, 11:16:47 am
Now, SEE how much better that A's "throwback" uniform looks (in the McCarthy pic), with dark blue as the primary color?  Every time I see the standard green-and-yellow ones, I want to vomit.

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: 4nek8 on May 11, 2012, 11:05:02 am
Kid playing 1B for the Cubs looks like the real deal.  Though I guess he's not really a "kid", his profile says he's 29.

Nice name though, Bryan.  LaHair?  Do you LaComb or LaBrush it?  (OK, there's my obligatory dig since he plays for that clown outfit on the North Side.)
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 11, 2012, 11:38:49 am
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I don't find that the least bit humorous.

(Raise your hand if you knew this was coming.)
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on May 11, 2012, 12:08:50 pm
This is not funny either:

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: 4nek8 on May 11, 2012, 02:47:49 pm
The Cubs have been grooming LaHair for a couple years now, and now that he's got the job, he's not likely to coif it up.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 11, 2012, 03:24:22 pm
BlackSox- no image! I want to see! I had trouble getting an image onto my post as well.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on May 11, 2012, 03:28:07 pm
fixed (ah hope)
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 11, 2012, 03:42:14 pm


MLB poised to pick off 1st-and-3rd trick move

Associated Press - Updated: May 10, 2012, 12:10 PM ET


NEW YORK -- Yankees reliever Rafael Soriano stepped toward third base and bluffed a pickoff throw, then twirled and made a soft toss to first. No dice, the Tampa Bay runners didn't fall for that ol' trick -- they'd seen it too often.

Starting next year, no one might ever see that exact play again.

Major League Baseball is poised to pick off the much-maligned move, the fake-to-third, throw-to-first ploy that often succeeds only in getting the whole ballpark to shout "Balk!"

"I think they should get rid of it," Yankees reliever Boone Logan said. "Us lefties can't do that. If we do, they call a balk."

"Besides, how often does it work? Maybe once in never," he said.

The Playing Rules Committee has approved a proposal to make it a balk, too, with MLB executives and umpires in agreement. The players' union vetoed the plan for this season to discuss it further. MLB is allowed to implement the change after a one-year wait -- no telling whether that would happen if players strongly object.

Under the new wording, a pitcher could not fake to third unless he first stepped off the rubber. If he stayed on the rubber, as Soriano did Wednesday night, it would be a balk.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on May 12, 2012, 08:22:02 am
The Cubs have been grooming LaHair for a couple years now, and now that he's got the job, he's not likely to coif it up.

Heh, golden.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 12, 2012, 02:31:00 pm
 fixed (ah hope)   Yes. Yes, it is. Very nice.   Am now torn between punning on hair (a la 4nek8's excellence) and p e nis (more juvenile but also more fun).
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 12, 2012, 03:33:17 pm



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Cubs place Marmol on DL with injured hamstring

The Associated Press – 1 hour 4 minutes ago


MILWAUKEE (AP) The Chicago Cubs placed right-hander Carlos Marmol on the 15-day disabled list because of an injured hamstring.

The Cubs made the move Saturday and called up righty Casey Coleman from Triple-A Iowa.

Marmol was hurt Friday night while pitching during the seventh inning in a game against Milwaukee. He returned to Chicago to have an MRI, which revealed the injury. Marmol is 0-1 with a 6.35 ERA in 15 games this season.

''He was really sore when he was walking out last night and it seemed to actually be getting worse,'' Cubs manager Dale Sveum said.

Coleman was 2-3 with a 3.48 ERA in seven appearances at Iowa, including six starts. He is expected in Milwaukee on Saturday, but not in time for the first pitch against the Brewers.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 12, 2012, 03:52:54 pm


Deals still pay dividends for Cards, Braves

(http://mlb.mlb.com/images/columnists/small/columnist_peter_gammons.jpg) By Peter Gammons | MLB.com Columnist | 05/12/12 2:39 PM ET


The night the Cardinals honored future Hall of Famer Tony La Russa was one of those games Tony wouldn't have enjoyed. Twelve innings, four minutes shy of four hours. The two teams went through 13 pitchers, until the Braves finally won, 9-7, on a Jason Heyward home run and a Craig Kimbrel save.

The side note to the affair goes back to the final days of last July's Trade Deadline. Atlanta general manager Frank Wren, who sorely wanted a legitimate leadoff hitter, preferably one who could play center field, gave the Astros four Minor Leaguers for Michael Bourn. Not a Cliff Lee headline trade, but rated G, for good.

That same day, Cardinals GM John Mozeliak traded Colby Rasmus and pitchers Trever Miller, Brian Tallet and P.J. Walters to the Blue Jays for a starter, Edwin Jackson, and two relievers, Octavio Dotel and Marc Rzepczynski. Rasmus had been a projection-tools favorite who had worn out LaRussa's patience, and St. Louis needed pitching depth. Again, G.

Hours before the July 31 Deadline, Mozeliak made one more trade that barely made the scroll on MLB Network. He dealt a Minor Leaguer for 33-year old Rafael Furcal, who had been limited to 37 games with the Dodgers and was batting .197.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 12, 2012, 04:00:35 pm


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Red Sox Acquire Scott Podsednik From Phillies

By Zach Links [May 11, 2012 at 7:50pm CST]


The Red Sox have acquired Scott Podsednik from the Phillies, a source tells Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports (via Twitter).  The Phillies will receive cash considerations for the outfielder and he will report to Triple-A Pawtucket, according to Alex Speier of WEEI.com.

Podsednik, 36, has not appeared in the majors since 2010 when he played for the Royals and Dodgers.  The Red Sox were said to be scouting the veteran roughly three weeks ago as they have been on the lookout for a left-handed hitting outfielder.

The outfielder hit .254/.340/.396 in the Phillies' and Blue Jays' farm systems in 2011 and signed a minor league deal with the Phillies last fall.  For his big league career, Podsednik owns a .279/.340/.381 slash line.

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Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on May 12, 2012, 09:55:55 pm
MLB poised to pick off 1st-and-3rd trick move{/b}

Booooooo!!!! Booooooooo!!!!!! Boooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

What a waste of energy for the rules committe.  Every once in a while it works and it is worth every cent of admission.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 15, 2012, 12:59:22 pm


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The Chicago Cubs were a feared franchise until they moved into the above pit of disappointment and despair nearly a century ago. They haven't won a World Series since. It's time for Wrigley Field to go.

Why Wrigley Field Must Be Destroyed

by Rich Cohen - Wall Street Journal - Updated May 15, 2012, 1:30 p.m. ET

Having not won a World Series since 1908, and having last appeared on that stage in 1945—a war year in which the professional leagues were still populated by has-beens and freaks—the Chicago Cubs must contemplate the only solution that might restore the team to glory: Tear down Wrigley Field.

Destroy it. Annihilate it. Collapse it with the sort of charges that put the Sands Hotel out of its misery in Vegas. Implosion or explosion, get rid of it. That pile of quaintness has to go. Not merely the structure, but the ground on which it stands.

I'm a Roman, and to me, the expanse between Waveland and Addison on Chicago's North Side is Carthage. The struts and concessions, the catwalk where the late broadcaster Harry Caray once greeted me with all the fluid liquidity of an animatronic Disneyland pirate—Hello, Cubs fan!—the ramps that ascend like a ziggurat to heaven—it's a false heaven—the bases, trestles, ivy, wooden seats and bleachers, the towering center-field scoreboard—all of it must be ripped out and carried away like the holy artifacts were carried out of the temple in Jerusalem, heaped in a pile and burned. Then the ground itself must be salted, made barren, covered with a housing project, say, a Stalinist monolith, so never again will a shrine arise on that haunted block. As it was with Moses, the followers and fans, though they search, shall never find its bones.

The Cubs moved into Wrigley in 1916, when it was known as Weegham Park. Before that, it was the home of the Whales of the Federal League. The Cubs, founded in 1876, had been wanderers, playing on fields scattered across the breadth of booming iron-plated Chicago. The grandest was West Side Park, an opera house for the proletariat, with its velvet curtained boxes, at the intersection of Taylor and Wood on the West Side.

Most importantly, the Cubs won there. The glory years before Wrigley are like the age before the flood, when exotic species thrived on the earth, among them the feared Chicago Cub.

read more:  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304192704577404424241146562.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304192704577404424241146562.html)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on May 15, 2012, 01:51:06 pm
Funny piece.

But...
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The Cubs moved into Wrigley in 1916, when it was known as Weegham Park.

Um, that would be Weeghman Park.

Built for the third-league ChiFeds or Whales (in other words, built as a minor league park).
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on May 16, 2012, 12:52:44 pm
Two answers to the Rich Cohen piece:

http://deadspin.com/5910536/enough-with-the-mystical-cubs-bullshit-please

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That's why this piece is so infuriating, even as it's completely tongue-in-cheek: it does nothing but perpetuate the myth that there's something special about the Cubs. That their losses are unique. That God or the Devil gives a toss about baseball.

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...fans want to believe that their bad luck has cosmic significance. It doesn't. The universe doesn't care about the Chicago Cubs, and it certainly hasn't imbued Wrigley Field or some fu*king goat with a magical heartbreak rays.


http://chicagoist.com/2012/05/16/should_the_cubs_tear_down_wrigley.php

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Between the tourists, suburbanites and businessmen who come to join the party, Wrigley is on its way to becoming an outdoor version of Excalibur.

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It's the team and players who are the losers, not the ballpark.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 16, 2012, 01:09:23 pm
I do think that the point made about the way Wrigley plays (wind blowing in, wind blowing out, favor lefties today, favors righties tomorrow, etc.) was interesting. It does take away whatever minor edge you might have across 81 games- you can't really tailor your team to the park because there are no constants (no short RF porch or green monster or thin air or pitcher's dimensions, etc.).  Could the same thing be said for the Cell? I don't think to the degree that it applies to Wrigley.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on May 16, 2012, 01:15:03 pm
Yeah - you have to build a good team to win.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on May 16, 2012, 04:44:27 pm
Is Wrigley closer to the lake than the Cell?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 17, 2012, 10:28:22 am
I know you were talking best offensive player on another thread, but pitching-wise, has anyone seen highlights of Yu Darvish since they stopped trying to make him pitch with a windup? JAY-zus. Seven. . .SEVEN different pitches. Sick.

Plenty of youtubeage, as I don't think MLB can be blocking bytches about Japanese coverage.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on May 17, 2012, 11:53:50 am
7 pitches yes... but he walks a ton of batters...
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 17, 2012, 12:20:05 pm
Last  several games: 2, 3, 4, 2, 2 . That's almost Sox-like, except better.

Prior to that, 5, 4, 4, but that's because idiot Texas was trying to get him to use a windup.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on May 17, 2012, 12:25:02 pm
did not realize there was so much improvement.

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on May 17, 2012, 12:34:40 pm
I really like watching him pitch, he is one big Japanese dude.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 17, 2012, 12:41:32 pm
Method I totally forgot about him after those first few outings too, then MLB Tonight was featuring him last night and some of those pitches. . .wow.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Method on May 17, 2012, 12:47:32 pm
hmm i'll watch his next start one MLB TV i'm LOVING that subscription so far this year...
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 17, 2012, 01:11:26 pm
I truly don't know how any of ESPN's baseball programming survives at this point. Does ANYONE watch BBT any more? If so, why?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on May 17, 2012, 01:52:56 pm
MLBN is way way better than BBTn.   
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 17, 2012, 02:08:23 pm
They seem to have toned Dan Plesac down, altho I haven't seen enough of him to be sure. He was a "total spaz" last year. Mitch Williams seems pretty cool, Bowa still seems like kind of a prick, but is knowledgeable.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on May 17, 2012, 04:49:43 pm
Not since I found MLB channel
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on May 18, 2012, 10:12:31 am
The Great Kerry Wood to retire after today's game.  He wants to pitch one last time before the Wrigley faithful.

My sources tell me the plan is to have him face Beckham, so he can end his career with a strike out.

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 18, 2012, 12:47:44 pm
hahah, BlackSox wins the internets.
 
Meanwhile, I can hear JBN saying "what took him so phucking long".
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on May 18, 2012, 01:22:01 pm
Padres Claim Eric Stults

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/05/padres-claim-eric-stults.html
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on May 18, 2012, 06:46:08 pm
They should have brought in Wood to start the inning, maybe he could have gotten Beckham out.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on May 20, 2012, 03:47:05 pm
Brandon McCarthy to the DL again with a shoulder problem. If that guy could have ever remained healthy he could have been pretty good.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 20, 2012, 04:12:36 pm
Brandon McCarthy to the DL again with a shoulder problem. If that guy could have ever remained healthy he could have been pretty good.

Well this development and Danks good outing yesterday just about kills the thought of Phil Rogers writing another column about why trading McCarthy was a bad move.



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 21, 2012, 09:10:49 am
It's funny, the much-venerated Kerry Wood had a whopping 86 career wins total. Normally I don't go the "yeesh, only Cub fans" route, but in this case. . ."yeesh, only Cub fans". Here's a PARTIAL list of guys who won more:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_leaders_in_career_wins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_leaders_in_career_wins)
 
To his credit, he is second only to Randy Johnson in Ks per nine innings. So there's that.
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: msf on May 21, 2012, 09:29:57 am
Yep, way overrated. Are they clamoring for him in the HOF I suppose?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: BlackSox on May 21, 2012, 10:27:26 am
Kerry Wood overload this weekend.  When will it stop?
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 21, 2012, 11:33:32 am
JBN gets all sentimental about Woody. From his FB page:
 
 Kerry wood has retired. Azzhole should have stayed away. So he comes back and blows five games then walks away. Good riddance.
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: joeconners on May 21, 2012, 11:37:02 am
lol
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: aka Loveland on May 21, 2012, 11:46:21 am
That's what facebook is for -  unless of course he uploaded a picture of his dog with that post.   
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: Fury on May 21, 2012, 01:11:36 pm
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To his credit, he is second only to Randy Johnson in Ks per nine innings. So there's that.

Heh heh, you said "Johnson."

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Kerry Wood overload this weekend.

Heh heh, you said "Wood."
Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 24, 2012, 11:45:46 pm

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Eric Stultz picked up a win in his 2nd start for the Padres.  5 innings pitched, 4 hits,  1 unearned run allowed, one walk and two strikeouts.

http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_05_24_sdnmlb_nynmlb_1&mode=recap&c_id=sd (http://www.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2012_05_24_sdnmlb_nynmlb_1&mode=recap&c_id=sd)



Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 24, 2012, 11:57:29 pm


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Quentin slated to see game action in Minors

By Corey Brock / MLB.com | 05/24/12 6:42 PM ET


NEW YORK -- Outfielder Carlos Quentin is headed out on a Minor League rehabilitation assignment -- again.

Quentin, who earlier this month had a setback in his recovery from March surgery on his right knee, will play for Class A Lake Elsinore on Friday, Padres manager Bud Black said.

Quentin, who had arthroscopic surgery on his knee on March 19, experienced soreness in his knee the week of May 7, saying that he felt pain when he got into his hitting stance. Quentin returned to San Diego to be examined.

read more:  http://www.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120524&content_id=32178892&notebook_id=32178764&vkey=notebook_sd&c_id=sd (http://www.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120524&content_id=32178892&notebook_id=32178764&vkey=notebook_sd&c_id=sd)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 28, 2012, 04:58:42 pm


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Padres hope Quentin can bring pop to lineup
activated from the 15-day DL

By Corey Brock / MLB.com | 05/28/12 2:47 PM ET


CHICAGO -- Carlos Quentin, one of general manager Josh Byrnes' most important acquisitions of the past winter, made his Padres debut on Monday against the Cubs.

Quentin hit fourth and started in left field the same day he was reinstated from the 15-day disabled list. Outfielder Blake Tekotte was optioned to Triple-A Tucson. Quentin hit an RBI double in his first at-bat with the Padres in the first inning.

Quentin had been sidelined since having arthroscopic surgery on his right knee on March 19. He had two rounds of Minor League rehabilitation stints, after having a setback with his knee earlier in May.

Quentin's latest Minor League stint included games Friday and Saturday with Class A Lake Elsinore. He had four hits in those two games and declared his knee ready to join the Padres in Chicago.


read more:  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120528&content_id=32366144&notebook_id=32366146&vkey=notebook_sd&c_id=sd (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120528&content_id=32366144&notebook_id=32366146&vkey=notebook_sd&c_id=sd)

Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 29, 2012, 03:00:44 pm


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Magglio Ordoñez to announce retirement Sunday

The Associated Press – 1 hour 5 minutes ago


DETROIT (AP) Magglio Ordoñez has decided to call it a career.

The 38-year-old former Detroit Tigers and Chicago White Sox outfielder plans to announce his retirement Sunday before Detroit plays the New York Yankees.

The six-time All-Star struggled through 92 games last season with a surgically repaired right ankle, hitting a career-low .255 with five homers and 32 RBIs.

Ordoñez was a career .309 hitter with 294 home runs and 1,236 RBIs over 15 seasons. He lifted Detroit into the 2006 World Series - the franchise's first since 1984 - with a series-winning home run against Oakland. The native of Venezuela hit .363 the next season, becoming the first Tiger to win the American League batting title since Norm Cash in 1961, and finished second in league MVP voting.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/magglio-ordonez-announce-retirement-sunday-184720185--mlb.html;_ylt=AqS3EMicCmxRE3DnXxF_jasRvLYF (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/magglio-ordonez-announce-retirement-sunday-184720185--mlb.html;_ylt=AqS3EMicCmxRE3DnXxF_jasRvLYF)


Title: Re: Around Baseball - 2012
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 29, 2012, 03:06:57 pm


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