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Pitchers & catchers are scheduled to report later in the week.
As promised this is the White Sox Spring Training - 2012 thread.
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Sox enter spring training without major medical concerns
Club used disabled list 11 times last season
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 10:02 p.m. CST, February 20, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — When the White Sox's front office and coaching staff conduct their daily spring meetings starting Wednesday, their roster scenarios won't be affected largely by whether certain players will be physically ready by Opening Day.
For the first time in several Februarys, the Sox enter spring training without major medical questions to players projected for the 25-man roster.
That includes pitcher Jake Peavy, who is expected to be fully recovered from major surgery in July 2010 that sidelined him for 10 months and still caused him bouts of arm fatigue.
Brent Lillibridge, whose versatility could earn him more playing time against left-handed pitchers, said last month he is fully recovered from a fractured right wrist that sidelined him for the final three weeks of the 2011 season.
continued at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0221-white-sox-chicago--20120221,0,1854319.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0221-white-sox-chicago--20120221,0,1854319.story)
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Jordan Danks out to prove he belongs on White Sox
Outfielder bulks up, hopes to cut down on strikeouts
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 9:39 p.m. CST, February 19, 2012
When Jordan Danks arrives Tuesday at Camelback Ranch, he hopes the White Sox's coaching staff takes notice of the additional 15 pounds of muscle on his 6-foot-5 frame that could help result in a major league roster spot in the near future.
Danks, the younger brother of Sox left-hander John Danks, isn't discouraged by the prospect of starting his third consecutive season at Triple-A Charlotte after being left exposed but not selected in the Rule 5 draft in December and then seeing the Sox sign Kosuke Fukudome to a one-year contract on Tuesday.
"My motivation preceded all of this," Danks said Friday in a telephone interview.
Danks plans to arrive one week earlier than required because he wants to show the staff he has made an array of changes that he believes can help him improve on his .257 batting average and 14 home runs, cut down on his 155 strikeouts and still maintain the quality defense he displayed last year at Charlotte.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0220-white-sox-chicago--20120220,0,7888230.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0220-white-sox-chicago--20120220,0,7888230.story)
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Chicago White Sox: Can Alex Rios Rebound and Earn His $12 Million in 2012?
By Jon Fromi - (Featured Columnist) on February 18, 2012
Chicago White Sox center fielder Alex Rios has the look of a five-tool baseball player. He has the contract to match.
The problem lies when you wind him up and turn him loose on a baseball field.
Rios, along with new acquisition Adam Dunn, was the poster boy for a White Sox team that had the big-money pedigree but underperformed their way to a third-place finish in 2011. Nary a day would go by that didn't feature a reminder of the folly of Rios' contract.
After his solid 2010 season, expectations were for a similar performance from Rios in the middle of a potent South Side offensive attack. The reality was that of the Murderer's Row some envisioned, only Paul Konerko (and to a lesser extent the recently departed Carlos Quentin) actually delivered the goods at the plate.
continued at: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1071134-chicago-white-sox-can-alex-rios-rebound-and-earn-his-12-million-in-2012 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1071134-chicago-white-sox-can-alex-rios-rebound-and-earn-his-12-million-in-2012)
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RE:
Jordan Danks hopes the White Sox's coaching staff takes notice of the additional 15 pounds of muscle
See:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/2/20/2811223/pounds-of-muscle-and-the-white-sox-a-brief-bleak-history
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I'm skeptical that 15 lbs will lower his strikeout rate.
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Add that to the Spring Training Cliche list:
1) Added muscle
2) Lost weight
3) New exercise routine
4) Finally healthy
5) Vision improvement
6) Working on a new pitch
7) Expected to run more
from:
http://www.rotoauthority.com/2008/01/spring-traini-1.html
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Nobody looks better than White Sox trainer Herm Schneider, who lost about 70 pounds over the offseason.
http://twitter.com/#!/CST_soxvan
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Sox players all out with "All-In'' slogan
By Mark Gonzales - Tribune reporter - 2:41 p.m. CST, February 22, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. - The Chicago White Sox's 2012 slogan is "Appreciate the Game," which will be gladly received by the players after last year's "All-In'' theme that collapsed during an 83-loss season.
"The All-In thing got abused last year," reliever Matt Thornton said. "I’m glad that one is over with, and it didn’t work out well, anyway. It’s one of those things I can’t wait to get out on the field and start playing games.
"We have a lot of guys itching to get out there, and some young guys itching to go out and prove what they can do and make this team and prove they’re ready to go somewhere during the season. There's a good mix of things out here.”
continued at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-players-all-out-with-allin-slogan-20120222,0,4667464.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-players-all-out-with-allin-slogan-20120222,0,4667464.story)
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Sox can learn from Arizona in bouncing back
By Mark Gonzales - Tribune reporter - 11:39 a.m. CST, February 22, 2012
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. – The White Sox are counting on rebound seasons from Adam Dunn, Alex Rios and Gordon Beckham in their quest to challenge for the American League Central title despite slim odds.
They’re also hoping that former Sox great Robin Ventura can lead the team as well as he performed for the Sox during most of his exceptional 16-year career in the same manner Kirk Gibson did last season with Arizona.
In fact, the situations are somewhat similar. The Sox haven’t advanced to the post-season since 2008. The Diamondbacks, meanwhile, overcame two last-place finishes in the National League West to make a 29-game improvement and overtake defending World Series champion San Francisco.
continued at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-can-learn-from-arizona-in-bouncing-back-20120222,0,2428521.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-can-learn-from-arizona-in-bouncing-back-20120222,0,2428521.story)
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Chicago White Sox @whitesox
From #WhiteSox manager Robin Ventura's press conference earlier today...
On arriving: I’m tired of just looking at paper. It’s nice to just get here and see guys in uniform, see guys hitting and throwing…
Robin on what he wants out of ST: Obviously the goal is 2 get as prepared as u can 4 Opening Day & 4 the season…
…That’s what spring is for– to get prepared to actually play in the season.
On Detroit as the favorite: Detroit has earned that, coming off what they did last season and signing some players…
But it’s not going to change the way we approach anything, we’re not going to concede anything to anybody.
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Waitaminnit, the players not only pay any heed, but are somehow affected by, any particular year's marketing slogan? Christ.
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Wow, Ventura is going to be about as entertaining as a 17-page WSI hot stove thread.
Me sleepy now.
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He is uncontroversial.
Snore!
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heh
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Ventura enters Sox camp with an open mind
'As far as guys coming here with a clean slate, I'm the guy for that'
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 11:20 p.m. CST, February 22, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — New manager, open battles.
That's what Robin Ventura was claiming Wednesday on the eve of the White Sox's first workout.
"There is competition with everything," Ventura said. "As far as guys coming here with a clean slate, I'm the guy for that because I haven't seen them enough to pinpoint exactly who's doing what as far as the bullpen. It's open this spring seeing how guys do, what our needs are, and we'll go from there."
continued at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0223-white-sox-bits--20120223,0,5501389.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0223-white-sox-bits--20120223,0,5501389.story)
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White Sox's rotation must make up for loss of Buehrle
Humber: 'People are going to have to step up'
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 11:01 p.m. CST, February 22, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — As the White Sox embark on life without manager Ozzie Guillen during their first workout for pitchers and catchers, a lingering question will be how the team copes without at least 10 victories, 30 starts and 200 innings for 11 consecutive seasons from Mark Buehrle.
"People are going to have to step up," Philip Humber said Wednesday at Camelback Ranch, where Robin Ventura will be the most noticeable change after Guillen's eight eventful seasons as the Sox's manager.
Although the rotation is believed to be the most stable area of the Sox's projected 25-man roster, Ventura spoke of competition throughout the spring training roster that includes an alignment of Jake Peavy, John Danks, Gavin Floyd, Humber and Chris Sale, who will make the transformation from reliever.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0223-white-sox-chicago--20120223,0,5786483.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0223-white-sox-chicago--20120223,0,5786483.story)
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'People are going to have to step up'
Hard-hitting and insightful
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I can see right now how this season is going to go for me:
February: bored.
March: a bit curious.
April: disappointed.
May: bored.
June: slightly hopeful.
July: bored.
August: mildly disgusted.
September: bored.
October: disinterested.
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That looks like one helluva tough sex life Fury.
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Aha, Jeter grabs the low-hanging fruit.
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Ah, the Head Lobster Defroster scores.
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Another gem from ST:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-williams-doesnt-take-gm-job-for-granted-20120223,0,3152824.story
Too bad he is still here. Should have been canned with Ozzie
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Aha, Jeter grabs the low-hanging fruit.
Now see that's what I thought you were referring to when you said:
March: a bit curious
I'll be here all weekend, and also, ew.
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Heh.
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Jeter, that's a "bit curious," not "bi-curious."
Wshfl, I've been demoted. No one can compare to Kenny in the frozen lobster department.
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You are still the Lobster King, Fury
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It's a bad sign when you scan the trib and the only story you chose to read is: Guillen putting his stamp on Marlins.
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Rios turns to video to reclaim offensive spark
White Sox center fielder looking to rebound from tough 2011
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 02/25/12 4:39 PM EST
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- During this past offseason, Alex Rios went back to his successful past to help reclaim his offense for both the present and the future.
Rios studied video of his swing and his approach from the 2006 and '07 seasons with the Blue Jays, which were part of a three-year stretch when Rios hit a combined .296 with 56 homers, 123 doubles, 246 RBIs and 273 runs scored. And what did the 31-year-old take from these sessions that can be applied to a 2012 comeback?
Well, that information might be released on a need-to-know basis as the upcoming season unfolds. "Every time I talk about the good things that I'm working on, I feel like .... I'm very superstitious," said Rios, speaking to the media Saturday morning after reporting four days before White Sox position players officially are due. "Every time I say something, I feel like everything I've done goes away."
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26859484&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120225&content_id=26859484&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Call me skeptical
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Sale moving into starters’ role for White Sox
13 hours, 34 minutes ago
GLENDALE, Ariz. (AP)—Chris Sale is bringing his power arm to the Chicago White Sox’s rotation.
With a fastball reaching 100 mph, the hard-throwing left-hander has thrived in the bullpen, posting a 2.58 ERA and 12 saves in 94 1/3 innings in 2010 and 2011.
Now the Sox want him in a new role: starting pitcher.
Sale is moving to the rotation after the departure of ace Mark Buehrle as a free agent to the Miami Marlins. Sale is building up his strength and adjusting to being a starter this spring training.
“I think he’s already proven he’s one of the top lefty relievers,” Sox pitching coach Don Cooper said.
more at: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-whitesox-sale (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-whitesox-sale)
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White Sox spring training broadcast schedule on TV, radio, internet :
http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/2/25/2823963/white-sox-spring-training-broadcast-schedule-on-tv-radio-internet?ref=yahoo (http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/2/25/2823963/white-sox-spring-training-broadcast-schedule-on-tv-radio-internet?ref=yahoo)
Note: This has also been added to the Quick Reference Links Topic.
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F Rios.
Could Viciedo wind up in left field?
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/whitesox-talk/post/Could-Viciedo-wind-up-in-left-field?blockID=659014&feedID=621
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Looks like Dunn lost a bunch of weight:
http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/2/27/2827397/adam-dunn-i-dunno#storyjump
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F Rios.
Could Viciedo wind up in left field?
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/whitesox-talk/post/Could-Viciedo-wind-up-in-left-field?blockID=659014&feedID=621
I expect it
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Anyone believing Viciedo is defensively better than Quentin is delusional
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Furthermore I would be pleasantly surprised if Viciedo hits .250 or more.
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It really has nothing to do with any comparison to Quentin. It has to do with who has the better arm: Viciedo or Rios.
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Silence. All scouting reports from here on out will be done in comparison to Quentin.
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Heh!!!
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Hmm... did Wshful just compliment Q's defense?
w t f is going on in this world?
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It really has nothing to do with any comparison to Quentin. It has to do with who has the better arm: Viciedo or Rios.
No it isnt It has to do with speed and being able to run down balls and catching them.
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Hmm... did Wshful just compliment Q's defense?
w t f is going on in this world?
I dont know your reading skills level but you sure missed something, cause I dont believe Viciedo is better than Quentin nor do I believe Quentin was a major league average RFer or better.
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We've had Juan "speed demon" pierre out in LF... and i'd rather have Carlos Lee out there instead of JP...
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Hi folks, I've missed you all. Looking forward to another White Sox season. This smells like an 80 win team....just hoping Rios/Peavy/Dunn/Floyd have great first halves and somebody is foolish enough to take them off our hands.
Other than that, just looking forward to watching some ball.
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Molina looking to make quick impact
Young right-handed starter likely headed to Double-A
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 02/27/12 6:24 PM EST
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- The question to Ken Williams was direct, with almost no gray area for interpretation.
Was it true that the White Sox general manager would not have sent incumbent closer Sergio Santos to Toronto back in December if he didn't receive top prospect Nestor Molina in return? The response covered one word.
"Yes," said Williams with a smile, sitting in his golf cart at Camelback Ranch after taking in live batting practice Monday morning. Molina, who recently turned 23, already has thrown a couple of bullpen sessions during the first week of Spring Training and earned strong praise from manager Robin Ventura. But on Tuesday, as part of a group with Philip Humber, Zach Stewart and Dylan Axelrod, Molina will toss live batting practice in his first session against hitters.
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120227&content_id=26875920&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120227&content_id=26875920&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Bad Bad bad trade...
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Hey seventytwo!
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Looking forward to another White Sox season. This smells like an 80 win team....
Hi 72.
You are an optimist, aren't you?
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Furthermore I would be pleasantly surprised if Viciedo hits .250 or more.
Admit it... you'd be happy if he batted .200 but fielded .998. In fact, you'd take eight .200 hitters, as long as they all can field .998.
Now, THAT'S baseball.
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Allo Love and Fury, nice to see you. Yeah, I'm an optimist....just have a feeling that Danks is going to have a great year and that Peavy will stay healthy. Also think DV is going to mash the ball while driving wshful crazy w/ his play in the field...
/sounds like fun!
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DV hasnt proved he is capable of hitting major league pitching. Again I would be mildly shocked if he hits .250 for the season. No shock if he were sent down during the season either.
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Welcome back 72... and Boat...
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Humber will get Sox started in spring opener
Danks, Peavy to follow as exhibition season begins
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 9:29 p.m. CST, March 1, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — Philip Humber will start the White Sox's exhibition opener Monday against the Dodgers.
But it's who follows Humber that appears to be more of an indication of the Sox's rotation for the regular season.
Left-hander John Danks will start the second exhibition game Tuesday against the Angels in Tempe and appears to have the inside track to be the Sox's opening day starter April 6 at Texas. Jake Peavy will follow Danks on Wednesday against the Brewers.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0302-bits-white-sox-chicago--20120302,0,1671323.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0302-bits-white-sox-chicago--20120302,0,1671323.story)
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Fukudome:
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Yes but what is that shadow? It looks like it's possibly an alien being of some sort.
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Fluky is alien enough
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-rios-in-rf-viciedo-in-lf-for-soxs-intrasquad-game-20120303,0,1883250.story
GLENDALE, Ariz. - One of the most noticeable developments in the Chicago White Sox's intrasquad game Saturday will be the return of Alex Rios to right field and Dayan Viciedo in left field.
New manager Robin Ventura indicated he might use this alignment. Rios hasn't started in right field on a regular basis since 2009 with Toronto. Viciedo has never played left field in the Sox's organization.
We knew it was just a matter of time
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Sox's Sale makes believer out of Pierzynski in first start
by Mark Gonzales - mgonzales@tribune.com - Twitter @MDGonzales
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Although it was only an intrasquad game, left-hander Chris Sale made a favorable impression Saturday on catcher A.J. Pierzynski in his first start in preparation for the regular season.
"He got (Alex) Rios and (Paul) Konerko out with a guy on second in the first inning," said Pierzysnki, who had two hits off starter Gavin Floyd. "The most important thing was he threw strikes and didn’t walk anybody. He made them put the ball in play."
Sale pitched two innings, allowing no runs on two hits while fooling Jim Gallagher on a called third strike to end the second. Sale also was aided by a double play, with second baseman Eduardo Escobar making a smooth pivot.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-sale-makes-believer-out-of-pierzynski-in-first-start-20120303,0,378764.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-soxs-sale-makes-believer-out-of-pierzynski-in-first-start-20120303,0,378764.story)
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"He got (Alex) Rios. . . out with a guy on second"
Who doesn't?
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Nestor the Great is wowing 'em down at Camelback.
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do tell...
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hah.. you were messing with me... 7 hits in 1.1 innings...
Although no walks... he does have great control as promised!
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Must throw them right down Broadway.
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Who'se skinnier - Alexi or Sale??
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This spring, Alex Rios is open-minded
by Jim Margalus on Mar 5, 2012 11:25 PM CST
Upon his arrival to spring training, Alex Rios would only speak in vague terms about potential changes in his swing:
"Every time I talk about the good things that I'm working on, I feel like .... I'm very superstitious," said Rios, speaking to the media Saturday morning after reporting four days before White Sox position players officially are due. "Every time I say something, I feel like everything I've done goes away."
In perusing videos from '06 and '07, Rios made it clear that he wasn't trying to copy what worked for him five or six years ago. He simply is picking up things that might get him back to where he was before a dismal .227 showing with 13 homers and 44 RBIs in 2011.
He's left it up to us to put the pieces together, and we got our first look on Monday. At first glance, you can't help but notice he's holding his hands much higher than usual. They're also a little more away from his head. That's kind of a big deal, because two years ago, his hands were so low that visiting broadcasters speculated about them like a mystery half-mast flag at the post office ("Memorial Day was four weeks ago. Did they forget to put it back up? Maybe we missed a death?").
read more: http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/3/5/2848084/this-spring-alex-rios-is-open-minded#storyjump (http://www.southsidesox.com/2012/3/5/2848084/this-spring-alex-rios-is-open-minded#storyjump)
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But is Alex Rios all of a sudden going to stop being a lazy player?
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I think Rios is open-minded to hitting .250, I just dont expect him to be successful doing it.
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When he talks Alex can't even pretend to sound like he really wants to change.
Sounds like a guy who hit the lottery and is just gonna go for the ride. ;)
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He did hit the lottery with his contract didnt he. If he has saved any of his money he is set for life.
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0-2 and not looking very good at all it seems. Oh well, other stuff will come up to keep us all busy.
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They are looking to be fun... in the worst way.
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It took awhile for Axelrod to open eyes
Sox pitcher had long journey to major leagues
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 10:28 p.m. CST, March 6, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — Three years ago, the only links Jake Peavy and Dylan Axelrod had were that they were members of the Padres organization and Axelrod's uncle, Barry, represented Peavy.
The two pitchers were more than just reunited last September when Axelrod was promoted to the White Sox. Axelrod is scheduled Wednesday to follow Peavy when the Sox face the Brewers at Camelback Ranch in Axelrod's first chance to earn a spot on the opening-day roster after pitching for the independent league Windy City Thunderbolts as recently as 2009.
"He has had to prove himself at every level, just to make a college team, and just to get drafted," Peavy said. 'People think that because of his uncle being a part of the game, he gets favored by the Padres and gets drafted. The Padres ended up letting him go.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0307-white-sox-chicago--20120307,0,3684736.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0307-white-sox-chicago--20120307,0,3684736.story)
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0-2 and not looking very good at all it seems.
Wow, MSF, you're judging this after 2 spring training games? Do you remember the last time the Sox had a good spring training record? They didn't have a good spring training in 2005 either. Let's not get carried away here, geez.
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I had just read the latest BA, they picked us to finish last in our division. Said we are an old tired team.
Hard for me to think of us as old, but we did look very disinterested last year. Lets hope it gets better, but I have my doubts.
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Ditto. My vision is like the song goes "A bad moon a rising"
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I'm rooting for an "0-fer" in the cactus league. That would be sweet. So far, so good.
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Well if that's our goal, we're 3-for-3 so far.
Pitchers, hitters, one ahead of the other this time of year, etc. However that saying goes, someone should say that.
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Yawn, wake me up when ST games matter.l
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Could be our worst season since the 1969 and 1970 seasons. We may have been that bad in others, but I remember them well.
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Were those teams worse than '76? This team has starting pitching, we will not be anywhere close to what we put out on the field in 1976.
<Harry Carey dejected voice on> "He (Alan Bannister) it away. He could have walked the ball over to first in time and he threw it away."
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Were those teams worse than '76?
Yes. They were atrocious, esp 1970
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Dunn hit a 3-run homer off Neftali Perez today? and a double??
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Yawn, wake me up when ST games matter.
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Game on TV today, right?
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Any recommendations for a first-time Spring Training attendee?
Looking to be in Phoenix for 3/22.
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There are some GREAT Mexican restaurants there. Research those definitely.
The Pink Pony is an old school steakhouse with a lot of history behind it. Popular with players, announcers, etc. at one time. Don't know if it still is. Looking at the menu, they've modernized it a bit. Wonder if they still bring out the relish tray for starters. You can probably get a better steak deal elsewhere, but it's still a slice of history.
Taking the drive up to Sedona is WELL worth the effort. Fantastic hiking, all distances and skill levels. You also definitely want to continue farther up to historic Jerome. I can't even begin to describe that place. Lots of hippies that went up there and stayed up there.
http://www.azjerome.com/ (http://www.azjerome.com/)
Pinnacle Peak is a kitschy-fun restaurant. It's the place where they have all the ties (that have been snipped off of customers) hanging from the ceiling.
Cave Creek is an interesting little town.
It's probably worth also taking in a ballgame or something, but I'd think that would only be mildly interesting for a couple of hours or so. I'd make sure I did Sedona and Jerome first. Prescott is also kind of a cool town.
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I should clarify.
I'm driving a car back from the Los Angeles area that week.... leaving Irvine on 3/21, spending 1 day in Phoenix (3/22), and driving back to Michigan starting on 3/23.
The Sox play at 1:00 PM local time on 3/22.
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Then you should save yourself the grief of watching the sox play... and start on your drive sooner :P
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Given the limited time, I'd do the Sedona / Jerome thing.
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If it's a Sox home game buy the cheapest seat you can (I think that's sitting on the grass in the outfield). Unless they are playing the Cubs or possibly somebody else that is good who would attract their own fans, 2/3 of the seats will be empty. All ticket holders enter thru the same single gate. Once you get inside you can sit anywhere you want as they never check tickets again (this would likely not be true for games like the Cubs that are sold out.)
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Rawhide Western Town and Steakhouse- kitschy fun
Drive the Apache Trail- very scenic
But the one thing I would if I had just one day would be Taliesin West
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Yeah, metropolitan Phoenix has a lot of interesting, historic attractions. I hear that some of the old houses and downtown buildings go clear back to 1971.
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It's also believed that Phoenix pioneered the big-box store. There are some old-time Targets and Home Depots there that go back maybe 10 or 12 years. Check 'em out. There's also a museum dedicated to the history and development of the large asphalt parking lot, tracing the evolution of materials and parking-place striping (angle vs. straight on).
And if you can get to it after seeing all of the other stuff, I hear that the original Red Robin restaurant still stands somewhere on the suburban outskirts. Of course, it's been remodeled, but still... bask in fact you ARE THERE.
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I've been to Jerome. Has a blast in Prescott.
Agree w/ PW -- buy a cheapie and move around all game.
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from CBSSports.com:
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Infante out indefinitely with oblique strain:
White Sox reliever Gregory Infante left Sunday's spring game against the Rockies due to a strained left oblique and will be out indefinitely. He left after striking out the only batter he faced.
(Updated 03/11/2012)
http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/players/playerpage/1670551/gregory-infante (http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasybaseball/players/playerpage/1670551/gregory-infante)
Also at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120311&content_id=27191120¬ebook_id=27202306&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120311&content_id=27191120¬ebook_id=27202306&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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This team is not hitting worth a damn, and this is in Arizona. How are we going to hit in cold weather??
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Dont worry... Nestor will save the season.
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This team is not hitting worth a damn, and this is in Arizona. How are we going to hit in cold weather??
We arent going to.
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original Red Robin
I've been to the original Red Robin, in Seattle, Eastlake near UW. It was actually good way back when. Good day to you sir.
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I've been to the original Red Robin, in Seattle, Eastlake near UW. It was actually good way back when. Good day to you sir.
And to you, sir! I'll bet there was plenty of parking!
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I've been to Jerome. Has a blast in Prescott.
Actually I always wanted to get to Jerome, since I have an affinity for the old 19th-century Western town thing (used to live in Virginia City). Wanted to see Sedona too, but I hear it's become very commercialized. I did make it to Prescott... which I enjoyed.
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The commercial area of Sedona offers nothing, the stores are uninteresting although some the mystical crystal-like stuff is fun to mock. But they can't screw up the magnificent hiking! The drive north out of Sedona, Oak Creek Canyon, is breathtaking.
Seriously, I'd reconsider screwing around with some stupid spring training game.
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Sox OF prospect Short out 4-5 months after surgery
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 11:45 a.m. CDT, March 12, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Chicago White Sox outfield prospect Brandon Short underwent successful surgery Monday morning on his left shoulder at Rush University Medical Center.
Short suffered a labrum tear after crashing into the center field fence Thursday at Surprise while unsuccessfully trying to make a catch. Short is expected to resume baseball activities in 12 weeks but isn’t expected to return to full strength from four to five months.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-surgery-successful-on-sox-outfield-prospect-short-20120312,0,3094040.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-surgery-successful-on-sox-outfield-prospect-short-20120312,0,3094040.story)
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Nice outing for Peavy, jeesh
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Dunn scratched from lineup with sore neck
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120313&content_id=27238746¬ebook_id=27251730&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120313&content_id=27238746¬ebook_id=27251730&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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Dunn scratched because of stiff neck; Sox lose 6-3
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 6:10 p.m. CDT, March 13, 2012
PEORIA, Ariz. -- Chicago White Sox slugger Adam Dunn was scratched from the starting lineup Tuesday against San Diego because of a stiff neck.
Dunn's neck and shoulder were wrapped Tuesday morning, but he was in good spirits.
The Sox, however, committed two errors in the fifth inning that led to four runs and enabled San Diego to take a 6-3 win at Peoria Sports Complex.
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-game-day-dunn-scratched-because-of-stiff-neck-20120313,0,994462.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-game-day-dunn-scratched-because-of-stiff-neck-20120313,0,994462.story)
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Love that donkey!
Please make it the main page pic! For keeps!!
EDIT: actually, are you sure that's not a burro? It's hard to get scale in that pic, but I'm thinking it is.
EDIT EDIT: a burro IS a donkey.
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The Sox should use that sombrero'd Dunn pic for his roster image on the team website.
It's really hard to dislike someone who's wearing a sombrero. They're just... fun.
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I Looove Donkeys! Maybe I would start spending more time here than at work.
I have 2 stuffed donkeys in my office at work......
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De Aza stays positive, focused in spring camp
Hitting coach Manto impressed with outfielder's work ethic
By Jim Thomas / MLB.com | 03/16/12 5:59 PM ET
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Even though Alejandro De Aza has yet to play a full season in the Major Leagues, he's been in professional baseball long enough to know the No. 1 rule is to never take anything for granted. Many factors can derail the best-laid plans, or worse, shatter dreams.
De Aza is doing everything in his power during Spring Training to make sure those factors don't come into play this season.
De Aza is slated to be the White Sox's starting center fielder and leadoff hitter. He capitalized on an opportunity late last season, and has done all he can this spring to hold onto his roles. He knows first-hand how quickly fortunes can change.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120316&content_id=27336246&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120316&content_id=27336246&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Recap: White Sox 5, Mariners 0
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0318-recap-white-sox-chicago--20120318,0,5060781.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0318-recap-white-sox-chicago--20120318,0,5060781.story)
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Peavy quiets naysayers with stellar outing
After some iffy outings, Sox starter throws 5 no-hit innings
By Dave van Dyck, Chicago Tribune reporter - 9:06 p.m. CDT, March 17, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — Point made.
Jake Peavy believed he needed to show doubters he still can pitch, so he used the Mariners as his personal punching bag Saturday when he threw five no-hit innings at them.
The only flaw in his performance was a leadoff walk in the second. But he struck out five batters, including four of the first six, and allowed only three fly balls while lowering his spring ERA from 18.69 to 8.68.
"There's no doubt, I was very pleased to go out and have good stuff, to show you (media) guys and my teammates that it's there," Peavy said. "We'll see how often and how much is there."
read more: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0318-bits-white-sox-chicago--20120318,0,1858743.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0318-bits-white-sox-chicago--20120318,0,1858743.story)
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but don't the Mariners have at best a AAA offense?
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Not to rain on anyone's parade, but don't the Mariners have at best a AAA offense?
Haha. Gulp! Uh yes! ;D ;D ;D
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Jordan Danks' homer sparks White Sox win
Shot in 10th first of spring; Johnson starts rally with two-run HR
By AJ Cassavell / MLB.com | 03/18/12 7:30 PM ET
MESA, Ariz. -- The White Sox clinched a preseason split with their crosstown rivals with Jordan Danks' 10th-inning home run lifting the South Siders to a 7-5 victory over the Cubs.
Danks led off the extra frame with his first spring home run off Marcus Mateo. The White Sox then added an unearned run.
Trailing, 5-3, the Cubs got two bases-loaded walks in the eighth inning to forge a tie.
The White Sox rallied for five runs in the top of the sixth inning. Dan Johnson started the rally by crushing a two-run homer off his former Rays teammate Andy Sonnanstine, and they added three more in the frame against the Cubs' right-hander.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120318&content_id=27388552&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120318&content_id=27388552&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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Today's spring training game available on the internet (Reds radio broadcast):
Cincinnati Reds @ White Sox
game going into the bottom of the first with no score:
http://mlb.mlb.com/shared/flash/mediaplayer/v4.3/R1/MP4.jsp?calendar_event_id=14-332355-2012-03-19&content_id=&media_id=&view_key=&media_type=audio&source=MLB&sponsor=MLB&clickOrigin=MSB&affiliateId=MSB&gid=2012_03_19_cinmlb_chamlb_1&team=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/shared/flash/mediaplayer/v4.3/R1/MP4.jsp?calendar_event_id=14-332355-2012-03-19&content_id=&media_id=&view_key=&media_type=audio&source=MLB&sponsor=MLB&clickOrigin=MSB&affiliateId=MSB&gid=2012_03_19_cinmlb_chamlb_1&team=mlb)
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Sox are beating up on Cy Chen today. Dunn with 2 hr's -- against a lefthander!! This Escobar kid seems to be hitting the snot out of the ball.
Peavy with 6 k's, 0 ER in 6 IP in a minor league game. Viciedo with 3 bombs in that game also.
It's only spring training, i know, but at least it's nice to see some good stats once in awhile.
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Also heard that Dunn only has 1 strikeout all spring so far. Hope this is a sign of good things to come from him.
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Thursday's recap: White Sox 16, Royals 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0323-recap-white-sox-chicago--20120323,0,3754654.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0323-recap-white-sox-chicago--20120323,0,3754654.story)
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Also heard that Dunn only has 1 strikeout all spring so far. Hope this is a sign of good things to come from him.
It's true!
Shockingly the Big Donkey has only struck out once in the official Cactus League games.
2012 White Sox Spring Training Stats:
http://tinyurl.com/7gqawgv (http://tinyurl.com/7gqawgv)
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I was there for the game pictured above.
Had a fantastic time.
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Did you take any more pics then posted on fb?
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I may be the Lone Ranger here but if I were KW, the correct call would be to send Viciedo and his .111 BA and OF defensive problems to AAA Charlotte. Now were he hitting .400 and my name was Fury I'd keep him in Chicago in LF and live with his mistakes, but not at .111
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Wshfl, I see that you're rooting for Viciedo to fail.
But I would agree that he may need to go to Charlotte to get his stroke back.
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Sorry to destroy your logic but I sure didnt say I was rooting for him to fail, just pointing out that he has failed so far in his attempt to make the 2012 roster. He doesnt appear ready to hit major league pitching which was the big questionmark when they traded Quentin. The good part about sending him down to AAA is that he is only 23 and not 33. The bad part is KW has g*a*m*b*l*e*d that Viciedo would be ready but it appears he is wrong like he has been wrong about a lot of things lately. When Viciedo was signed out of Cuba he was supposed to be a 3Bman but that didnt work out. They still havent found a position he can play in the major leagues. From what I have seen of him in ST which is very limited he doesnt appear much better defensively than Soriano. You know the Sox have thrown a lot of money at that kid and he appears to be a bust.
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I wouldn't call him a bust quite yet. He is, as you said, still pretty young.
Besides, this whole team of .250 hitters is going to be embarrassing when the season begins. They're going to make mediocre pitchers look like Cy Youngs.
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Though I put very little stock in ST, I'm afraid I'm in Wshfl's corner here -- Viciedo's striking out more than me in my college days. Doesn't look like he's figured out the curve ball, send him back to AAA. He's still only 23, give him another year.
Did notice that Dunn has about dozen walks over 3 Ks -- that bodes extremely well for this team if he rebounds from that cranio-rectal insertion we watched last year.
Personally, I think this team will surprise and be better than expected. Have no evidence to support it, but it seems like the Sox have better years when heading into the season with nothing but low expectations.
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Personally, I think this team will surprise and be better than expected.
Gee, then I guess the Sox might even finish in fourth place, instead of fifth.
Sorry. I don't like this team as is.
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With Viciedo's 0-4 on Sunday his average dropped to .100. Ventura is preaching patience with Viciedo
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Just another big, slow guy who is bad at defense with a hole in his swing.
Prototypical Sox player.
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Ken Williams dismisses predictions of horrific season for White Sox
BY DARYL VAN SCHOUWEN dvanschouwen@suntimes.com March 24, 2012 6:54PM
GLENDALE, Ariz. — The White Sox bashing started when the first odds from Las Vegas were posted. It continued with an unnamed scout who, after following them this spring, said they could lose 100 games. And, most recently, there was a prediction by Sports Illustrated (67-95) that they will finish dead last in the American League Central.
Was general manager Ken Williams taken seriously when he uttered ‘‘rebuilding’’ in December? Granted, Mark Buehlre was allowed to walk away in free agency, and closer Sergio Santos and All-Star outfielder Carlos Quentin were traded for prospects. Those are significant losses that leave the Sox (16-1 odds to win their division) paling in comparison to the heavily favored Detroit Tigers 1-4.
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/11497898-574/ken-williams-dismisses-predictions-of-horrific-season-for-white-sox.html
The big question is if they go 67-95 and dead last in the AL Central is that enough to get KW canned? If thats what it takes to get him fired, I sure hope it happens.
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I see the Sox got their AAA fodder to replace Johnny Short. They picked up Greg Golson, fast as the wind, bad OBP is his history.
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Sox appear to be gathering steam for that critical 1st week of the season schedule, heh
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It seems like the Sox are winning more this spring training than the last 4 or 5 spring trainings put together.
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I agree. Now I hope they do the right thing and send Viciedo down, let Fuko and Lilly split LF
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I'd be much happier with Fukudome in RF and Lil'Beast in LF.
Rios has done nothing to prove he's an everyday big leaguer since he's been here. Fukudome can get on base (.350+ OBP), and Lil'Beast did everything he was asked (and more) last year.
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Yep, Sox will lose at least 90 games this year.
At least it will probably mean the end of the KW era.
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Is Rios Spanish for Titanic?
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Not sure, but I think at this point I'd be happier with Armando Rios than Alexis.
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Yep, Sox will lose at least 90 games this year.
At least it will probably mean the end of the KW era.
That would be wonderful if that happened. Should have happened before Ozzie was booted out the door
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Should have happened before Ozzie was booted out the door
Why do you keep saying this? Ozzie was not booted anywhere. He chose to leave, he WANTED to leave. I don't think he would have stayed even if KW was fired mid-season. Ozzie QUIT, people. Glad he and his punk kids are gone, too.
God, the pessimism here is way over the top. You guys are assuming there's no improvement at all by any of the players who underperformed last year. Sure there are a lot of things that can go wrong but there are also a lot that can go right (kinda like half the teams in the league!!). If the pitching is anywhere near what it's capable of being, this team isn't quite as bad as you all are making it out to be. They might actually pleasantly surprise.
And even if it ends up being a bad year it still might not be the end of KW. JR knows this is sort of a rebuilding year.
If everyone here is going into the season hoping for the team to lose 100 games just to spite KW then you're going to make this place miserable for the rest of us who actully want to see the team do well.
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Joseph, I agree. Fuko in RF (or Lilly), the other in LF, send down Viciedo, Rios on the bench. I would prefer they just outright release Rios though.
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Never going to happen... Rios is ours to suffer thru as long as KW is here... he doesnt know how to admit his mistakes.
Ozzie did not quit... he was released from his contract when he asked to stay here LONGER.
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You make the call...
Guillen said he had a great talk with Reinsdorf, who respected his decision.
"It was my call and I appreciated the White Sox organization letting me do what I like to do and what is best. ...
Maybe not the best, maybe it's the worst," Guillen said. "You don't know what is out there. Maybe I'm dreaming.
I might not appreciate what I got here. You don't know. You have to close the page and move on. That's life.
Hopefully the next book treats me the way this book treated me."
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Why dont you post the quote where Ozzie told JR its him or KW... and JR picked poorly.
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Yeah, I suppose I could go into the President's office right now and tell him its me or my boss.
Wonder how that would go...
Ozzie made a choice.
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Hmm... Well... i take it a bit differently...
Is your boss a giant douche that is totally and utterly incompetent? if so i hope it goes well... if not i hope you have an employer (or multiple other) waiting to pay you more money then your current employer... because well ozzie did.
Basically if you are holding some cards... play them...
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10 Worst free agent contracts of all time:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/18046554/heres-the-answer-to-whether-zitos-is-the-worst-free-agent-contract-ever
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Hard to believe Dunn not on there, lets hope he turns it around, seems to be doing better.
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You guys are assuming there's no improvement at all by any of the players who underperformed last year.
Actually, I'm looking for a good bounce-back year from Dunn. Speaking of "dunn," I think Gordon Beckham is. Morel will improve slightly. Lillibridge may be a little better offensively too. Rios will continue to suck.
I'm hoping that DeAza will have a decent year. He looked good to me last season.
I can see 2012 being the visible beginning of Konerko's decline.
If the pitching is anywhere near what it's capable of being, this team isn't quite as bad as you all are making it out to be.
But you forget... Buehrle is gone. I don't believe any other Sox starter posted a winning record last year. Oh yeah, and our closer, Santos, is gone too, in exchange for peanuts, leaving Thornton to be our ninth-inning savior. Thornton!
Will Floyd or Danks win 15 games next season? I sincerely doubt it.
If everyone here is going into the season hoping for the team to lose 100 games just to spite KW then you're going to make this place miserable for the rest of us who actully want to see the team do well.
I don't hope the team loses 100 games just to spite KW. I hope there are signs of life and that the team might be a contender in '13. But the fact is, KW made this bed, and he's making us lie in it.
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Danks will get his 15.
Floyd will get 13-14 too. but i dont see him finishing the year in a sox uni.
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But you forget... Buehrle is gone. I don't believe any other Sox starter posted a winning record last year. Oh yeah, and our closer, Santos, is gone too, in exchange for peanuts, leaving Thornton to be our ninth-inning savior. Thornton!
I didn't forget Buehrle's gone. I said if the pitching pitches like they're capable, this team has a chance to be in every game. I still believe that. Does it mean it will happen? Of course not but it's not unrealistic to consider.
Santos blew several games towards the end of last year. Maybe he was a one-year wonder, who knows? Maybe Coop feels like other teams started adjusting to him and they felt we have other options in-house which made Santos expendable. I have my reservations about Thornton as closer too but let's see how he does without Pierre dropping routing fly balls out there that set a bad tone from that point on. It appears Thornton is probably just the closer until Addison Reed can ease into that role anyway.
But the fact is, KW made this bed, and he's making us lie in it.
People here saying things like Kenny is completely imcompetent is really harsh. He's been a pretty good GM for the most part. Every GM swings and misses on a few deals. The team KW put together is not so bad if several players didn't underachieve and you can't fault him for that.
You can't take a player who has hit 40 HR's 5 straight seasons and expect he'll have the season he had last year. Or that Peavy, when traded for, would never stay healthy. Or that Beckham would regress so much. Or that Danks would lose his first 8 games last year. So much went wrong last year that if any of these guys picks it up even a little it's like we're an entirely different team. And can still be a good one even considering that Konerko should regress some from last year.
So again, I think the pessimism is way over the top when a single game hasn't been played yet. If they're dead last in June, 30 games behind the 2012 world champ Tigers, then okay, the season's over. It's not over just yet though.
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He's been a pretty good GM for the most part. Every GM swings and misses on a few deals.
I guess this is where we will have to "agree to disagree."
So, no, actually I think Kenny has been been pretty bad for the most part. He caught lightning in a bottle in 2005 and that made him look good for awhile. But 2005 was an anomaly for KW.
That's the fundamental problem with the Kenny Williams approach. He hopes that a few salvaged older players and a few more up-and-comers will all have career years together. I prefer to have a GM that builds teams of consistent All-Stars, not one who hopes to catch lightning in a bottle year after year.
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You can't take a player who has hit 40 HR's 5 straight seasons and expect he'll have the season he had last year. Or that Peavy, when traded for, would never stay healthy.
Actually, I look for a solid season from Dunn. But it won't be enough to lift this team.
Pffft. Peavy will never be a consistent winner again. He might go 7-9 or 8-8 this year.
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I think the pessimism is way over the top when a single game hasn't been played yet.
I will say this much... In the years when I think the Sox are going to be great, my dreams are always shattered. And in the years when I just know they'll stink up the league, they usually surprise me.
So, there's that.
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If everyone here is going into the season hoping for the team to lose 100 games just to spite KW then you're going to make this place miserable for the rest of us who actully want to see the team do well.
I am not hoping they do lose 100 games, but if SI is correct and they do lose close to 100 games then KW needs to take ownership of his doings and be canned. He denies he ever made a bad decision. It was his doings that caused the bad roster last year and he has done nothing this off season to rectify it.
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Santos struggled in September... Most innings hes ever pitched...
Rest of the year he was lights out. He had 13.4ks/9ip for the year...
Can you please stop nauseating the rest of us with the KW's a great gm he just couldn't have seen the entire roster turning to $hit speal? Some of us want to be able to come here and lament the craptastic shape KW has left this team in without having to read about how hes not part of the problem.
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Can you please stop nauseating the rest of us with the KW's a great gm he just couldn't have seen the entire roster turning to $hit speal
Right, I'll stop using logic.
And speal? Uh, okay. But whatever, Method.
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Right, I'll stop using logic.
Thats the type of thinking that got this team Alex Rios.
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Santos has that killer slider, cannot imagine he is not going to continue being very good. A closer just needs 2 pitches, and he throws hard and has one of the best sliders in the game.
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Alex Rios was a year removed from being an all-star when we got him.
And all he cost us was money, which this board constantly cries about how JR won't spend.
Jake Peavy was 2 years removed from a Cy Young award when we got him.
He cost us Clayton Richard and Aaron Cunningham, if I'm not right.
That trade only appears bad because of Peavy's contract, see the point about money above.
Adam Dunn was coming off 7 consecutive 40 HR seasons when we got him.
One of best FAs on the market.
I think what Sophist is pointing out to the armchair QBs is that no one here had ESP to suggest that those moves would not work out.
There was some concern about Rios because of how much money he was owed, but there was no complaining when Peavy and Dunn were acquired.
For all the lather about Santos, Santos was taken from the scrap heap by KW and he turned into our closer. We don't know how that trade will turn out
because we don't know what we have in Molina. We do know the history of RPs is shaky at best in terms of consistency from one year to the next.
Santos might have a stellar year for Toronto. We might also find that KW sold high on him. RP history suggests the latter. We'll see.
In terms of wins and losses, I agree that KW's teams overall have underperformed. 2005, 2006 and 2008 were good years.
KW has never talked about rebuilding jobs, so I'm expecting different results with a new manager/batting coach. Either we will find that Walker
and Ozzie were part of the funk this team was in last year or we'll find that KW has assembled a crap team and he ought to go.
We'll know the answer by June/July, if not before.
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Can you please stop nauseating the rest of us with the KW's a great gm he just couldn't have seen the entire roster turning to $hit speal
Right, I'll stop using logic. And speal? Uh, okay. But whatever, Method.
You mad bro's?
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PEavy cant fault him on.
Rios was an allstar... thats great so was barry zito doesnt mean its good to pick him up... flawed thought process there.
Its not a matter of him spending JR's money.. its a matter of him not spending it well. where are we now if the last 3 years of rios... half that money was spent into the draft... team is in much better shape...
Hes left the cupboard bare... and we end up trading a stud cost controlled closer for a wanna be POS starter prospect..
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where are we now if the last 3 years of rios... half that money was spent into the draft
Given the draft record of the organization, I don't think you want the answer to that question.
we end up trading a stud cost controlled closer for a wanna be POS starter prospect..
I remember Santos being a wannabe POS prospect too. How many years did he spend sucking at SS?
Again, RP history suggests investing in RP is bad idea.
We don't know what we have in Molina yet, outside of a guy who can throw strikes. That's never a bad place to start.
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we're going to have to agree to disagree.
I have no way of proving it... however i personally believe that KW gave santos away because he was ozzies guy... and KW is a petty, unprofessional jackass.
And i do mean gave him away... look at what the other closers that were traded after santos brought back for their teams... none of them have nice team friendly contracts for 5 years... and none are close to as good as santos.
But shoot.. KW can do no wrong.
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... and KW is a petty, unprofessional jackass.
I have no problem with this statement.
look at what the other closers that were traded after santos brought back for their teams...
none of them have nice team friendly contracts for 5 years... and none are close to as good as santos.
I would disagree with the last part of that statement. Santos hasn't proven anything outside of having potential.
One year does not a career make. Please see Fernando Rodney, Rafael Soriano and David Aardsma for more information.
But shoot.. KW can do no wrong.
Straw man. Nobody said that.
Teahen signing had us all wondering what pictures the guy had.
The Nick Swisher double feature was universally panned.
There have been other moves I did not like.
I would like to see more consistent results, but let's face it, GM and Manager have not been on the same page for some time.
In 2005, at the beginning of the KW/Ozzie era, when they were on the same page, we won a World Series.
There is a lot of talent/potential on this team. The question is whether it can come together and win.
Again, given the state of the farm system, KW is not setting up for rebuilding. It is win or go home.
So, I am quite content to say that either we will see a team that challenges for the playoffs this year, or KW can go home.
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The farm system has virtually zero talent. I see Rogers thinks that KW sinks or swims with Viciedo.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0330-rogers-viciedo-white-sox-chicago--20120330,0,1897443.column
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But shoot.. KW can do no wrong.
I've never said that either. In fact, I've said a few times in the past that I would have been okay if KW had resigned/been fired along with Ozzie. I do think if it was an either/or situation though that Ozzie needed to go first, partly because he and his family have been making the org look like a joke. I also think KW's tenure hasn't been as bad as made out to be. The team has been pretty competitive since he's been here. I remember some of the years where contending for years was nowhere in sight. But I'd also be okay if KW was gone after this season if it does go terribly.
I just don't know who would replace him. I'm not sure Hahn is such a great choice but that'll be a topic for when the time comes. And it will. There's an expiration date on all upper management.
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Jones gets suprise nod on final roster
Rookie right-handed reliever a former fifth-round pick
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 03/31/12 5:30 PM ET
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Sometime early Saturday morning, White Sox bench coach Mark Parent tracked down Nate Jones in the team's Camelback Ranch clubhouse and brought him to see Robin Ventura.
The news delivered by the White Sox manager was life-changing for the 26-year-old rookie right-handed reliever.
"He told me, 'Congratulations.' That's when they told me," said a smiling Jones, who joined Zach Stewart as the last two pitchers in the White Sox bullpen, with the team setting its 25-man roster prior to Saturday's contest with the Rockies. "That's when it set in there. It's a good feeling."
With Dylan Axelrod optioned to Triple-A Charlotte and Brian Bruney, Hector Gimenez, Rey Olmedo, Leyson Septimo and Eric Stults reassigned to Minor League camp, Ventura's first roster was put in place. And Jones became the feel-good surprise story of this particular camp.
read more: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120331&content_id=27787070&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120331&content_id=27787070&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
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I sure picked the right two innings of today's game to watch.
Just curious -- did they show the Hawk-n-Stone feed on the MLBN? Anyone watch it? They blacked it out on my cable system.
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Saw some of the game, but had sound off and was listening to some tunage. Not sure who was broadcasting.
I sure thought Santiago looked real good, he really made Joey Votto look bad. Stewart was getting hammered tho. DeAza needs to get on base more, a .310 OBP is not going to do it from leadoff slot. Sure wish they would let Lilly or Fukodome play CF full time. Would not lose on D and the OBP would improve. Nice thing about Robin hopefully will be he is a bit more flexible than OG was. Unless it is truly KW pulling the strings.
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Can you honestly believe KW isnt pulling the strings?
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Would like to believe he is not, if Ventura is just KWs puppet then I have lost all respect for Ventura.
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KW isn't pulling the strings... Coop is.
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With the 5 -5 tie vs. Houston at Minute Maid Park, 2012 Spring Training is officially over!
......so this topic is now closed and the Today's Game - 2012 topic is now up and ready for your posts.
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With pitchers & catchers scheduled to report to Spring Training camps this week, this topic has been unlocked and renamed. So post away!
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Good thing you woke up Andy
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Injury updates: Morel good, Leesman not so much
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0211-white-sox-bits--20130211,0,389576.story
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Good thing you woke up Andy
Screw you Wshfl. Your snarky post neither was necessary nor appreciated. There was no need to resurrect this topic before I did. Spring training camp hasn't even officially opened yet. The "2013 White Sox" topic is more than able to handle the posts until spring training opens. If you think I was 'asleep at the wheel' what about Blacksox, Shoeless and JoeyC? As moderators, all of them have the 'buttons' to re-open closed topics or create new topics & polls too. All of them also ignored your request to open the topic sooner. Did you ever think your request to create/re-open the topic was premature? Sort of like a 7 year old asking for ice cream at breakfast. Something they'll probably get later on in the day but not at this time.
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That was needlessly harsh...
Herr Andy has spoken. So let it be written, so let it be done.
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PECOTA projects us at 77-85.
The good news...their projections for us have been consistently awful, 2007 not withstanding. They have generally undervalued the talent on the team while overvaluing others.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-baseball-prospectus-20130211,0,7279767.story
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I don't know why, but I am less excited about this coming year then I was going into last year. The starting pitching should be about the same or better, depending on John Danks, the bullpen will hopefully be better with the young guys having a bit more experience as well as adding Jon Lindstrom, and the offense is not that worse off just from losing AJ (I don't believe he will replicate the season he had last year).
I guess I feel that Detroit, assuming they play as expected, is just so much better and now both KC and the Indians have upgraded a bit.
It just really stinks that we couldn't do more to put a more complete team together for various reasons:
1. relative weakness of our division, which as we know won't last forever since these things run in cycles
2. to take advantage of the cubs punting these next few years to try to be the team chicago is excited about for once
Blah.
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Interview with Matt Thornton about bullpen:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/white-sox/post/_/id/13306/bullpen-on-solid-ground-this-spring
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That was needlessly harsh...
I concur.
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PECOTA projects us at 77-85.
Oh, I don't think we'll be THAT bad... I'd say probably 78-84 or 79-83.
If everything falls into place, 82-80.
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It just really stinks that we couldn't do more to put a more complete team together for various reasons:
1. relative weakness of our division, which as we know won't last forever since these things run in cycles
2. to take advantage of the cubs punting these next few years to try to be the team chicago is excited about for once
Exactly how I feel. The Sox have a chance right now to expand their fan base and they're doing nothing.
The next White Sox World Series Championship will probably be witnessed by our great-grandchildren.
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The next White Sox World Series Championship will probably be witnessed by our great-grandchildren.
Now that was needlessly harsh.
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Pencil me in for 90 wins.
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Thats too much pollyana or too much alcohol or both for me. Dont misunderstand me, that sounds wonderful, just not believable enough.
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I'll take 83-79. Cleveland will be stronger, as will KC. Detroit should be improved as well.
You can only beat Minny so many times before you have to beat someone else in the division.
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Detroit STILL has their sucky chemistry. What personnel additions/subtractions have they made to change that? I know it's not quantifiable and Bill James doesn't care, but mark my words.
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You may certainly be right, Love. Right now, we have to hope that sucky chemistry really derails them for us to have a chance.
I'm not giving up on the season before it's even begun, don't get me wrong. I just don't feel quite as optimistic this year as I did last year, which is weired seeing as we basically have the same team (if not better) than last year.
Maybe it's the fact that both KC and Cleveland have made some big moves (whether or not it helps them enough doesn't matter right now), it's leaving me depressed.
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Detroit still has no defense either.
KC added Shields... Cleveland... well they might be a problem 2013 world champs.
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I'm not sold on Detroit, but when you can trot Justin Verlander out there every 5th day and you have an offense that includes Miguel Cabrera and Prince Fielder, it's hard not to mark them as favorites. Victor Martinez is back as well.
We have better overall pitching, but our offense scares no one, and that's if Rios and Dunn match last year's numbers, which they likely won't.
Kong might be about done.
I give us 83 wins because I expect Viciedo, De Aza, Flowers and Morel to add more than expected, and I'm guessing Danks and Rienzo give us pitching depth we didn't have last year.
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Thats too much pollyana or too much alcohol or both for me. Dont misunderstand me, that sounds wonderful, just not believable enough.
Too much alcohol? That is needlessy harsh. I've been on the wagon for a week now.
They won 85 games last year and are getting their #2 starting pitcher back. And I maintain that AJ leaving is going to be a positive... at worst a wee wee negative.
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We win the division, I call it right now. Of course, I am in my 5th day of the worst flu I have ever had in my life. But I am coherent, seriously.
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Danks, Sale ok with not being division favorites...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-john-danks-20130212,0,5996915.story
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Thats too much pollyana or too much alcohol or both for me. Dont misunderstand me, that sounds wonderful, just not believable enough.
Too much alcohol? That is needlessy harsh. I've been on the wagon for a week now.
They won 85 games last year and are getting their #2 starting pitcher back. And I maintain that AJ leaving is going to be a positive... at worst a wee wee negative.
I dont know if that was excessively harsh or not, but I am very happy that you are attempting to deal with your alcohol problem. If I offended you it was unintentional and I appologize. Its that some people say unbelievable things when under the influence of alcohol.
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Who said I have an alcohol problem? Can't a guy take a week off?
Again, needlessly harsh.
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I only have an alcohol problem when the wine rack is empty and there's no bourbon left in my bar...
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bourbon, gross....
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Screw you Wshfl. Your snarky post neither was necessary nor appreciated. There was no need to resurrect this topic before I did. Spring training camp hasn't even officially opened yet. The "2013 White Sox" topic is more than able to handle the posts until spring training opens. If you think I was 'asleep at the wheel' what about Blacksox, Shoeless and JoeyC? As moderators, all of them have the 'buttons' to re-open closed topics or create new topics & polls too. All of them also ignored your request to open the topic sooner. Did you ever think your request to create/re-open the topic was premature? Sort of like a 7 year old asking for ice cream at breakfast. Something they'll probably get later on in the day but not at this time.
You mad bro?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
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They won 85 games last year ...
They did? My god. Who knew?
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bourbon, gross....
Ahh, good for you, Love. I see you're a rye drinker like me...
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...some people say unbelievable things when under the influence of alcohol.
Sometimes more believable than unbelievable.
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Detroit STILL has their sucky chemistry.
The Oakland A's in the early '70s had sucky chemistry too. They won titles. Same with the Yanks of the mid- to late '70s. Chemistry is overrated. Talent has to be there first.
You do need (at least) one guy who gets fired up, who instigates, who kicks the rest of the team in the butt. We had that guy, but now he's gone.
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Detroit STILL has their sucky chemistry.
The Oakland A's in the early '70s had sucky chemistry too. They won titles. Same with the Yanks of the mid- to late '70s. Chemistry is overrated. Talent has to be there first.
You do need (at least) one guy who gets fired up, who instigates, who kicks the rest of the team in the butt. We had that guy, but now he's gone.
Barry Bonds bought a lot of chemistry.
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well played joey.
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I can see that we have entered the "spring training" phase on this board. Actually kindof interesting today, not quite at mid season form yet however.
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I'm actually more optimistic this year than last Spring. Getting Danks back can be a huge upgrade over Humbar. If Beckham doesn't breakout, we have Sanchez coming up. Keppenger will put up better numbers than Youk, the young bullpen will gain a year of experience, and I think another trade is likely.
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I can see that we have entered the "spring training" phase on this board. Actually kindof interesting today, not quite at mid season form yet however.
It takes a few weeks to get your arms loose and to get your curveball working properly.
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I am kinda waiting to see how Morel is going to do. Now if he is 100% like I'm hearing there will be a position battle for sure. Keppinger could end up replacing Beckham. Stranger things have happened before. I am not saying that will happen, but its going to be interesting to watch.
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I can see that we have entered the "spring training" phase on this board. Actually kindof interesting today, not quite at mid season form yet however.
It takes a few weeks to get your arms loose and to get your curveball working properly.
I'm going to be posting a bit more regularly, but still only a little bit at a time. Just stopping by for a bit each day to get my work in.
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It takes a few weeks to get your arms loose and to get your curveball working properly.
I can't wait to say "this is the time of year when the hitters are ahead of the pitchers" or "the pitchers are ahead of the hitters" when the Sox suck at both ends of the spectrum.
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I feel like I'm in my best posting shape of my life right now. I worked really hard in the offseason to shed a few posts.
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I feel like I'm in my best posting shape of my life right now. I worked really hard in the offseason to shed a few posts.
heh, damn, you must look nice.
I have shed about 40 posts myself since I retired.
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This is the time of year that msf's and SoxRule's posts are ahead of the other posters.
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Master-of-the-obvious chiming in....
This team will only do well if:
The rotation suffers no injuries
Dunn and Rios put up numbers similar to last year's
Beckham and Flowers have above-average years at the plate
On the plus side too, we have Fury calling this team mediocre, and they always seem to overarchieve when he does that.
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I think we can handle an injury to a rotation starter, as long as not Sale or Peavy. We have a lot of depth.
Best thing in my mind is that we will NOT go into ST and come out with Thornton as closer. That is very important, we cannot blow a game or two right away in the 1st week, as Love likes to remind us, the first week is so important.
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Thank You MSF. Now I only have to say it 999 times.
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We open up the season against the Royals so it's extremely important to win that first series. You just know if they lose (or get swept), fans and media will be saying, "here we go again, can't beat the Royals."
We cannot set a bad tone right off the bat (pun intended).
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Thank You MSF. Now I only have to say it 999 times.
You are very welcome Loveland. I always liked to tease you about it, but I did agree with you.
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We open up the season against the Royals so it's extremely important to win that first series. You just know if they lose (or get swept), fans and media will be saying, "here we go again, can't beat the Royals."
We cannot set a bad tone right off the bat (pun intended).
Oh no, did not realize we opened with them. Well, lately is seems we have always opened up against the defending champ Indians, so this has to be better than that, heh.
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Who is the Tigers closer? Dotel?
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Danks vaults into Cy Young contention with great bullpen session:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-lefthander-john-danks-20130214,0,1036466.story
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Who is the Tigers closer? Dotel?
They're supposed to be going with their 22-yr old rookie, Bruce Rondon, who throws 100 mph.
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If Beckham doesn't breakout...
He's had years to break out. He's broken.
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On the plus side too, we have Fury calling this team mediocre, and they always seem to overarchieve when he does that.
Yeah, there is that.
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This is the time of year that msf's and SoxRule's posts are ahead of the other posters.
I see what you did there.
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Think tigers are going to break camp woth Phil Coke as the closer... Rondon is pretty good but i dont see leyland trusting a rookie.
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Tigers fans around here pretty much hate Phil Coke.
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This is the time of year that msf's and SoxRule's posts are ahead of the other posters.
I see what you did there.
Then explain it to me
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Think "Spring Training Cliches", apply them to posting.... and hilarity ensues
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Per @MDGonzales, "Matt Thornton sidelined by elbow discomfort," will undergo an MRI.
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shoulda traded him
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Thornton: Elbow pain not like 2010...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-matt-thornton-elbow-pain-20130220,0,7776218.story
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Peavy talks about how he re-upped with Sox, his move to be represented by Jeff Berry, and his surprise that KW negotiated with the right Berry...
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130218&content_id=41759702&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws
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I must say I'm really surprised Peavy wanted to stay. It always appeared to me that he didn't like it here and I figured he'd leave as soon as he had the chance. Now I just hope we can make the playoffs before this window of opportunity closes.
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...and his surprise that KW negotiated with the right Berry...
Thumbs up.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/gm-rick-hahn-why-white-sox-often-perform-214459372--mlb.html;_ylt=AmQ2guxUZi9ykZXms6gqJ3cRvLYF;_ylu=X3oDMTN1aGM2ZjNwBG1pdANGRUFUVVJFRCBNZWdhdHJvbiBNTEIEcGtnAzhkZDFmMGUxLTU5ZmMtMzA3ZC04MjU1LWQ2ZWFjNTAyMDU1MwRwb3MDNgRzZWMDbWVnYXRyb24EdmVyAzFiM2E0YzYzLTdiMDMtMTFlMi1hNzlmLWI1MDNmMzE3ZDFkOQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTFoODgyNmttBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANtbGIEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3
Rick Hahn has a theory on why the Sox always outperform PECOTA projections - healthy pitchers.
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Rick Hahn has a theory on why the Sox always outperform PECOTA projections - healthy pitchers.
I want to hear his theory on why the Sox always manage to get fans' hopes up early, then inevitably shatter their dreams later in the season.
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Number changes/assignments for 2013:
Jordan danks switched back to 20
Keppinger took 7
Flowers changed from 17 to 21
Don Cooper switched from 21 to 99
Tekotte has 28
Giminez has 36, Phelgley 38
Angel Sanchez has 5
Lindstrom has 27
source: whitesox.com
Also, the white sox posted their broadcast schedule today. They have a Sunday Night ESPN game in May.
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27 Ken Kravek
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Ah yes, Coop wearing the evil #99.
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Thornton has a bad triceratops.
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Thornton: Elbow isn't a concern
February 20, 2013, 12:45 pm
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Matt Thornton said Wednesday he has no concerns about his left triceps.
The White Sox pitcher believes the inflammation discovered in his elbow, the result of an MRI exam on Tuesday, is the result of the first week of camp and gives him no reason to be fearful. Thornton said he expects to resume throwing in a couple of days.
As it were, the plan called for the White Sox to take it easy this spring with Thornton, who tied a career-high with 74 appearances last season. Thornton isn’t scheduled to appear in his first Cactus League game until early March.
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/dan-hayes/thornton-elbow-isnt-concern
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Sox acquire Gillaspie, break up quickly with Lars:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-conor-gillaspie-trade-20130222,0,7323334.story
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Why we're again under-rating the White Sox:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/33252/why-were-again-underrating-the-white-sox
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Thanks ISF. Busy day today, I never would have gotten around to poking on ESPN....
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I normally like to check out the comments after articles, but I really regret that I did this time. Baffoons, retarts, morans. . .mostly retarts.
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FWIW, the White Sox lead the Dodgers 5-0 after six innings. Tyler Flowers with the first HR of the spring for the White Sox. Dylan Axlerod & Zach Stewart have pitched for the Sox. Game is on radio. WSCR 670am in the Chicago area.
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Shut em out 9-0, allowed 3 hits, strong start for Axelrod, lets give him a big whinny. Fodder player Seth Loman hit a homer off ex-Sox Greg Infante, ouch. Flowers had a homer.
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Shut em out 9-0, allowed 3 hits, strong start for Axelrod, lets give him a big whinny. Fodder player Seth Loman hit a homer off ex-Sox Greg Infante, ouch. Flowers had a homer.
We're gonna be awesome this year!!!
Until we lose today's spring training game....then we may as well not even play the season.
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2-2 tie today. Erik Johnson went 3 solid giving up 1 run, Marinez gave up a homer to tie it later. Dunn hit 2-run shot for us.
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I like that Rios is in the 3 spot. And I doubt Morel makes the team but there he was, right back in the 2 hole
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highly doubt Morel bats 2nd, likely Keppinger and/or Gillaspie, guys who rarely K.
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The White Sox are losing to the Giants 9-0 after three innings of play. Hector Santiago gave up three runs in two innings. Rienzo faces five Giants in the third inning. All five reach base and score. Donnie Veal relieves Rienzo and also gives up a run.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_02_25_chamlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=gameday (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_02_25_chamlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=gameday)
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Hi kids :P
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The White Sox are losing to the Giants 9-0 after three innings of play. Hector Santiago gave up three runs in two innings. Rienzo faces five Giants in the third inning. All five reach base and score. Donnie Veal relieves Rienzo and also gives up a run.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_02_25_chamlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=gameday (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2013_02_25_chamlb_sfnmlb_1&mode=gameday)
9-9 now, Sox get 7 in top of 8th to tie it. Loman with another homer.
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Hi kids :P
Hi JBer, hope all is well.
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9-9 now, Sox get 7 in top of 8th to tie it. Loman with another homer.
"Katie, bar the door!" as ol' Double-D used to say...
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msf, yes. all is excellent matter of fact. :)
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Welcome back JBN.
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welcome back JBN.
hope you plan to stick around for awhile.
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Good to "see" ya, JBN.
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You guys enjoying the Blackhawks season?
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HAH! My co-worker just asked me that. 2 minutes ago.
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Sox win 14-8, now 2-0-2. Might be best start I recall in ST in some time. Keppinger could be unable to play 3B for a while, so Gillaspie will get a shot. His single and triple today drove in 4 I think.
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What's with this Sox and winning spring training games thingy going on? Don't we normally lose seemingly every single spring game? I'm not used to this!
I know it's only ST and the games mean nothing but still, it's better to hear about ST wins than ST losses.
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A Neil Cotts sighting yesterday!
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Today's rematch with the Rangers is available as a free webcast. Game is about to start. The link to the telecast:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws)
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Konerko already in mid-season form. With bases loaded with one out in the bottom of the 1st, Paulie meekly grounds into a 6-4-3 double play to end the inning. No score after 1.
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Paulie redeems himself with a two run shot to left in the bottom of the 5th inning. Sox have seven hits and lead 4-0 after five innings.
link to a live feed of the game: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws)
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The Sox bring on Jeff Gray to pitch the top of the 6th inning. Big mistake. He's getting lit up like a Xmas tree. Walks the lead off hitter than surrenders three straight doubles. Sox lead cut to 4-3 with no one out and the tying runner on 2nd for the Rangers.
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Coop goes to the mound to talk with Gray after double #3. The 'talk' must have done good since Gray precedes to strikeout the next three hitters while stranding the potential tying run at second. Sox lead 4-3 going into the bottom of the sixth.
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Conor Gillaspie with a two run homer to give the Sox a 6-3 lead. Keenyn Walker follows with a triple to center. Sox still batting in the sixth with Keppinger at the plate.
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They need to test Gillespie for roids. Hasnt he exceeded his quota for HRs now?
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You're saying he takes it in the butt?
http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/07/sheffield-stero.html
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I dont have any personal dealings with that. He seems to be swinging for the fences somethng kinda new
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I dont have any personal dealings with that. He seems to be swinging for the fences somethng kinda new
Check his minor league stats, his power has increased every year. Now I am not saying he is a George Brett, but his minor league stats do not look too far off if I recall. George took 5 years in bigs before he hit with power. It happens.
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Conor Gillespie with a two run homer to give the Sox a 6-3 lead. Keenyn Walker follows with a triple to center. Sox still batting in the sixth with Keppinger at the plate.
It is Gillaspie, in case Wishful wants to google his minor league stats.
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I am in two different PCs, Windows 7, and I can never get those webcasts. The screen goes black and attempts to load the game, but it never comes on. Do you need to download some software to make those work?
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OK msf. Somebody in front of me mispelled it. I copied what I read
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I am in two different PCs, Windows 7, and I can never get those webcasts. The screen goes black and attempts to load the game, but it never comes on. Do you need to download some software to make those work?
Nothing to download. It works fine on my new laptop with Windows 8. You might want to try using a different browser for the webcast to see if that makes a difference for you. I also have an older desktop with XP and youtube videos won't work when I use Firefox but are fine when I use IE or Chrome.
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Conor Gillespie with a two run homer to give the Sox a 6-3 lead. Keenyn Walker follows with a triple to center. Sox still batting in the sixth with Keppinger at the plate.
It is Gillaspie, in case Wishful wants to google his minor league stats.
At least I got his first name right. One 'n' instead of two. ;D ;D
BTW, while whitesox.com's roster list shows no number assigned to him, Gillaspie wore #12 today.
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Good point Andy.
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The South Siders' 3-0-2 record remarkably represents their best start since moving to the Cactus League in 1998.
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A.J after Tuesday's White Sox/Rangers game: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25626419&c_id=mlb (http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=25626419&c_id=mlb)
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Guess we were going to lose sometime, not liking that Addison Reed gave up the 2-run homer, he needs to be better.
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Erik Johnson did not fare so well out of the pen, and Septimo, ugh. Still hitting however. Viciedo appears to be amazing folks with his hitting, that would be a big, big plus if he stepped it up a notch.
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Sox win 4-0, combined 4 hitter. Quintana did not give up a hit in 3 nice innings. Another homer for Conor Gillaspie. 2 hits, including a homer for Mitchell, who is really shining.
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Mitchell is they guy I'm keeping an eye on, in hopes of getting a big year out of him.
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White Sox were shut out 4-0 by the Padres today. White Sox bats were cold picking up only 4 hits in the game. Conor Gillaspie led off the 9th with a single but Tyler Flowers followed with a GIDP to minimize the potential rally. Peavy takes the loss giving up 3 runs on five hits with a walk in three inning of work.
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Not too worried about Jake, just needs to get his innings in. I think he has a big year now that he knows he is healthy.
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....but Jake always seems to give up a few runs. No surprise the trend continues
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I predict that while attempting to throw a pitch to Josh Hamilton, Peavy's arm completely detaches, hurls at Hamilton and hits him the head.
I predict Hamilton sustains a concussion, and that the trauma of being hit in the noggin by a detached arm drives him back to drugs, eventually missing the last 2 months of the season to re-enter rehab.
I predict that Flowers gives Peavy his arm back and that Peavy reattaches his arm after the pitch, much like that guy in the movie "The Mummy" and proceeds to finish out the inning, when he will then be pulled. When interviewed after the game, Peavy will complain of slight arm fatigue and claim to be ready for his next start.
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Today's game vs. the Giants is available as a free webcast. They're in the 4th where D-Wise's three-run opposite field homer has given the Sox a 4-2 lead.
Link: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws)
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Veal Ks 3 in his inning, Simon Castro Ks 5 in is 2 innings. Nice. Castro gunning to make this team like Jones did last year. Crain better watch out, I see he has a bad groin or something, out of the WBC now from Canada team.
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Castro is a SP right?
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Normally, but projects to either, he can throw hard, big dude. I would love to have him in the pen for his first couple years, like Buehrle and Sale.
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I think I read that Castro has something like 8K's and given up only 2 hits in 5 IP? Very nice so far!
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I didnt know Fidel was capable of throwing the baseball still. ;D
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I didnt know Fidel was capable of throwing the baseball still. ;D
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White Sox leading Team USA 1-0 going into the bottom of the 4th inning. Floyd started and gave up two hits in his 2 2/3 innings. Hector Santiago relieved him and has given up only a walk in his 1 1/3 inning. Alexi drove in Beckham with a singlw for the only run so far.
The game is available as a free webcast at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws)
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That was good! LOL!
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That must have been what Ozzie was thinking when he had his Freudian slip. ;D
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Two zip now for the Sox. Beckham drives in Konerko from third with a single to left. Vicideo thrown out at the plate trying to score too to end the 4th inning. Thornton now on to pitch in the top of the 5th.
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Sox score two more runs on 4 hits in the bottom of the 5th to extend their lead to 4-0. Matt Lindstrom on to pitch for the Sox in the top of the 6th inning.
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Team USA gets a couple of extra base hits and a sac fly to score two off of Lindstrom. Sox lead now cut to 4-2.
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Another tie, jeesh, this kissing your sister is not that much fun.
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Young Fidel. . .counts Cuban President Bautista among his personal friends.
Heh.
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Is Beckham and his "new and improved" stance doing better this spring? Or is it the same Gordon "I swing at the worst pitches" Beckham?
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I finally gave up on him and traded him away in fantasy league, so I suspect he'll be having an all-star season this year.
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Small sample size I know, but Tyler Flowers is 3-9 with 3 walks and 1 K thus far. The latter two numbers really surprise me.
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Sox up 8-1 in the 7th against the dreaded Cubs. Quintana gave up 1 in the 1st, but pitched pretty well after. Pen has only given up 1 hit. Mostly kids, Troncoso has been impressive. Kong hit two homers, Dunn hit one. Mitchell 2 more hits. Gillaspie contributes again.
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White Sox take on the Padres today. Game is a free webcast at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws) The game just started.
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Scrub lineup for the Sox today. Peavy was suppose to start but pushed back to tomorrow. Gray on the bump in his place. Padres scored one in the top of the 1st. Sox now batting in the bottom of the 1st against Clayton Richard.
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Sox get a run on a sac fly. 1-1 now. Padres go down quickly in the 2nd. White Sox now coming to bat in the bottom of the 2nd.
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A leadoff double by D-Wise, followed by a bunt single by Morel and a RBI single by Carlos Sanchez gives the Sox a 2-1 lead. Sox still batting with no outs in the 2nd.
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An opposite field bloop two out, two on single by Angel Sanchez gets two more runs. Sox lead 4-1 after two complete innings of play.
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It's raining in Glendale!
The game was quickly called after three innings of play with the Sox leading 4-1. Guess it does rain in the Phoenix area.
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Just a guess, but I am going to say Danks will start the season on the DL and Axelrod gets in the rotation, he has been real good.
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Sox up in bottom of 3rd, up 1-0, Sale has given up 1 hit thru 3, 3 Ks I think. Kong has his 5th homer. Mitchell has a walk and SB, this kid may be finally putting it together, that would be a real nice plus.
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Sale went 5, started the 6th and gave up a homer. Nate Jones put out the fire. 2-1 in bottom of 6th, Beckham drove in our 2nd run, he is 2-3 and hitting .290 (someone had asked about his hitting, he also went 3-4 in WBC game which for some reason is not included in his spring stats).
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I think jones will sweep in and save steal that closers job before years end.
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would not surprise me, I hope Reed keeps it however, that means he does his job. I love Jones in the 7th and 8th.
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I know this blurb is not supposed to be funny, but I think about Beckham imitating Peavy and it makes me laugh
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Jake Peavy shows quite a bit of emotion while pitching, whether it's prowling around the mound after not getting a call or yelling at himself when not making a pitch. But the emotion Peavy exhibited pregame Monday when talking about his friend Marine Staff Sergeant Christopher Hill, an Iraq War veteran who experienced severe post-traumatic stress disorder, comes from an entirely different place.
"Me and Chris Hill have a bond like no other. I get teary eyed just thinking about what he's been through and who he is now," said Peavy, his eyes welling up as he talked. "To be a friend to him through that, it's life-changing for me."
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MSF = Twisted
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MSF = Awesome
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Thank you, thank you very much. heh
I might not be twisted, but I may go twist up a little action soon.
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Sox get a chance to knock off the defending champion Cleveland Indians today.
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Something to read:
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/danny-knobler/21862344/white-sox-camp-report-no-predictions-but-sox-quietly-believe
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The Indians hired Terry Francona and signed Nick Swisher (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/392256/nick-swisher) and Michael Bourn (http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/players/playerpage/548112/michael-bourn), so there's excitement there, too.
baahhhahahahaahhah
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Today's game is on the MLB network at 3pm CDT.
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Today's game is on the MLB network at 3pm CDT.
for those without access to a TV (or those who don't have MLB Network on their cable/satellite plan) the game is also available on the 'net at: http://www.firstrow1.eu/watch/15570/1/watch-mlb-network.html
You'll have to install StreamTorrent for it to work but don't worry StreamTorrent is 'safe' as I've been watching sports on the 'net at FirstRowSports.eu for two years using StreamTorrent without any problems.
As to the game, it's 3-1 Angels now with two outs in the bottom of the third.
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They're in the bottom of the 4th and the Angels' bats drive Danks out of the game.
It's now 4-1 Angels with one out and runs on the corners. Ramon Troncoso now on to pitch for the White Sox.
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7-1 Angels as Troncoso is just as bad as Danks. LAA still batting in the bottom of the 4th with two outs and runs at 1st and 2nd.
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Useless bit of trivia for PI day:
The German word for unicorn is “Einhorn”, meaning our Executive Vice President is Eddie the Unicorn.
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Been waiting for Troncoso to implode, AAA or release in his future.
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D-Wise greets new Angels and former Cubs pitcher Scott Downs with a lead off homer in the top of the 6th inning. Angels lead now cut to 7-2. Downs then retires the next three (Beckham, Dunn & Viciedo) in order to end the top of the 6th.
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Angels get the run back in the bottom of the 6th off of Hector Santiago. They're now in the 7th. Conor Gillaspie with a lead off walk, followed by a HBP to Alexi gave the Sox a threat to score. However a strikeout by Josh Bell followed by fly out to center by Tyler Flowers and a called strike three to Blake Tekotte ends the threat. 8-2 Angels going into the bottom of the 7th.
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I'm worried about Danks, and find myself wishing they gave Buehrle that money last year and traded Danks. Oh well.
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Angels break the game wide open on walks and a costly error by Tekotte in center to now lead 12-2. Sox batting in the top of the 8th and the MLB Network tired of their ineptness in this game switches to alternate programming (The WBC Today) to preview the Team USA/Team DR game scheduled to start soon (6:00pm CT).
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I'm worried about Danks, and find myself wishing they gave Buehrle that money last year and traded Danks. Oh well.
Do not expect much from Danks this year, at least not til at least 2nd half of this year. Thus Axelrod or Santiago will be in rotation.
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Blake Tekotte and Jordan Danks each drive in a run in the top of the 9th but those two runs weren't nearly enough to overcome a ten-run deficit as the Angels pick up the Cactus League "W" in a 12-4 game. We'll see if they can bounce back in an "Ides of March" game tomorrow in Glendale versus JBN's Nort'siders.
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15-3, nice. Always good to beat the cubs.
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Chris Sale and the White Sox take on the Oakland A's in Glendale in a few moments. A free live webcast is available at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws
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Looks like Zach Stewart woke up this morning and realized he's Zach Stewart.
In two and two thirds innings today against the Royals, he gave up 8 hits, 3 walks, no strikeouts and seven earned runs.
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Ugh, I really hope that was the last we've seen of Zach Stewart. Please tell me he won't be on the major league roster -- EVER.
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Kansas City had 18 hits, two each by Billy Butler and Alex Gordon. The Royals batted around in a four-run first inning that Gordon led off with a broken-bat single and included run-producing singles by Butler, Eric Hosmer and Jeff Francoeur.
White Sox starter Zach Stewart allowed seven runs, eight hits and three walks in 2 2-3 innings, retiring eight of 18 batters.
Chicago scratched catcher Tyler Flowers with lower back stiffness, while infielder Jeff Keppinger is limited to designated hitter because of a tender shoulder.
''It's like every day it's something else with somebody, but again the idea is to have them healthy when we are in Chicago,'' White Sox manager Robin Ventura said. ''We're trying to be cautious to get them to that point where they are healthy and start the season and if they are ready, too. You're a little short-handed and you are supposed to making decisions and guys are getting dinged up. You keep guys here a little longer and get a longer look at them.''
read more: http://sports.yahoo.com/news/luis-mendoza-helps-royals-rout-231719999--mlb.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/luis-mendoza-helps-royals-rout-231719999--mlb.html)
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Alex Rios, 3 for 24 in the MLB classic. This is his scheduled off-year.
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He must have heard me, he just hit a 2 run HR in the 7th. PR up 3-0
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Caption contest on the current banner pic?
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Where is this "Hunnie" person you keep talking about?
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**** those fuckin' fans who post **** online and say they're Sox fans that are supposed to be behind you rippin' every fuckin' thing you do. I'll tell you one fuckin' thing, I hope we get fuckin' hotter than **** to start the regular season, just to stuff it up them fuckin' people that post **** online every fuckin' day, because if they're the real Chicago fuckin' fans, they can kiss my fuckin' ass right in downtown Scottsdale.
"They're really, really behind you around ... my fuckin' ass. What the **** am I supposed to do, go out there and let my fuckin' players get destroyed every day and be quiet about it? For the fuckin' nickel-dime people who sit on their fuckin' computers? The motherfuckers don't even work. That's why they're sitting on their computers bitching all day They oughta go out and get a fuckin' job and find out what it's like to go out and earn a fuckin' living. Eighty-five percent of the fuckin' world is working. The other fifteen percent are ripping us online. A fuckin' playground for the ****. Rip them motherfuckers. Rip them fuckin' **** like the fuckin' players. we got guys bustin' their fuckin' ass, And that's the Sox?
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"So, Kenny....lobster tonight?"
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Morel to the minors, Gillaspie to make team:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-chicago-white-sox-brent-morel-20130319,0,4916149.story
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Zach Stewart also optioned back to minors. I would have preferred his release, but this will do.
Gillaspie has looked really good this spring.
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Don't be surprised to see Beckham sit against righties, with Keppinger at 2B and Gillaspie at 3B.
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While I am not shocked by the Morel move I am somewhat surprised. After seemingly initial success with the bat he tailed off. I doubt he showed enough power.
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The White Sox give John Danks a quick 3-run lead thru a 3-run homer by Adam Dunn in the top of the 1st inning. However, Danks gives his three run cushion back by surrendering four singles and a walk to the Reds in the bottom of the 1st. Score at the end of one is 3-all.
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White Sox go three up three down in the top of the 2nd. Danks in his continuation of mimicking Zach Stewart gives up three more hits that lead to two more runs for the Redlegs. After two complete Cincinnati leads 5-3.
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Sounds like Danks isn't getting a lot of swings-and-misses. He's given up quite a bit of runs in his last couple starts. Might be starting the year on the DL.
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"Bacon" leads off the top of the third with a home run. Back-to-back singles by Keppinger & Dunn follow. Paulie grounds into a double play as Keppinger moves up to third base. Viciedo then triples to right driving in Keppinger with the tying run. Rally ends as Alexi strikes out and strands Tank at third. We have a 5-5 game going into the bottom of the third.
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'Good' John Danks shows up in the bottom of the 3rd as two straight flyouts followed by an error by Dunn at first and a force out lead to a scoreless inning by the Redlegs. Score still tied at 5 after three innings of play.
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A lead off double by Tyler Flowers followed by a ground out to second by Blake Tekotte moves Flowers up to third base. A strike out by D-Wise followed by a grounder to third by Beckham strands the would-be lead run at third base. Score still tied at 5 going into the bottom of the 4th.
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Ventura foolishly allows Danks to continue on the bump for the White Sox. A ground out followed by back-to-back singles, a walk and back-to-back homers has given the Reds five more runs. Danks now pulled, replaced by Ramon Troncoso as the Redlegs now lead 10-5, still batting with one out in the bottom of the 4th.
Danks line for today is 3.1 IP, 11 hits (2 of which were HRs), 10 earned runs and two walks. Zero strikeouts.
His ERA for the spring in now a gigantic 16.36.
.......and I'm done following today's game.
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Who is Bacon?
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Buh-bye Danks. See you in June.
Maybe.
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Ventura foolishly allows Danks to continue on the bump for the White Sox.
Danks is on a minimum pitch count. At this point in his rehab, he needs to throw to get his shoulder strength back (or so I'm told).
Sounds like he's going to need some more time.
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Who is Bacon?
Bacon = Beckham
as that's what Ozzie kept calling him when Gordon was drafted and all during Beckham's minor league time with the organ-I-zation when the media and the fans kept pushing for his promotion to major league club.
Surprised that you didn't know it.
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Caption contest on the current banner pic?
Uh, Kenny, I thought when I became the GM I could drive the cart?
Rick, you'll get to drive when Jerry says you can complete a trade without my approval!
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Or I thought since I am GM I get the key to your lobster stash.
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Sounds like Axelrod is being looked at as the 5th starter.
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Would imagine it be either him or Santiago.
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"Hi, Kenny..."
"Wait. Who are you?"
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Keppinger and Gillaspie have been hitting machines this spring. Could turn out to be 2 huge signings!!
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Heh, and with Kep and Gillaspie hitting as they are Beckham sees the writing on the wall and hits a HR of his own!
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Seven strong innings today by Chris Sale who allowed only 4 hits (2 solo HRs) and three runs while striking out three and walking one. Keppinger & 'Bacon' with HRs for the Sox. Rios looked good too with two doubles and two RBI.
BTW, I like this Russ Langer guy who does the P-B-P with Bill Melton on the Sox spring training interwebs broadcasts. He's definitely a big improvement over Trey Bender (husband of Amy Bender & son of Gary Bender) who broadcasted the Sox spring training games a few years ago. Hope they consider this guy for the job if there is an opening in the Sox broadcast booth in the future.
http://www.staatalent.com/client/russ-langer/ (http://www.staatalent.com/client/russ-langer/)
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White Sox spring training stats thru last night's game:
http://tinyurl.com/aowyy5e (http://tinyurl.com/aowyy5e)
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The White Sox are down 6-0 with the Angels still batting in the top of the 3rd inning. Gavin Floyd is on the mound for the Sox.
You can view a free live feed of the game here:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=8685496&c_id=cws)
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with Spring Training over & the home opener scheduled to start in about 15 hours, this topic is now locked until February 2014.
The Today's Game topic is now re-opened for the 2013 season.
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White Sox ready for spring training
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-ready-spring-training (http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/white-sox-ready-spring-training)
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Video: White Sox pack equipment truck
02/04/14 | 00:29
White Sox clubhouse manager Vince Fresso talks about getting the team's equipment truck ready to depart for Spring Training in Arizona.
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v31338043/white-sox-truck-packed-and-ready-for-spring-training (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v31338043/white-sox-truck-packed-and-ready-for-spring-training)
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The White Sox will have 10 Cactus League games televised from Arizona (nine on Comcast SportsNet and one on WGN), and seven additional webcasts of spring training games free on whitesox.com. WSCR-AM, the club's flagship radio station, will air nine games (including three interactive broadcasts).
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140214&content_id=67782330&vkey=pr_cws&c_id=cws
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The White Sox Cactus League schedule: http://cactusleague.com/sox.php (http://cactusleague.com/sox.php)
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Dunn eyeing trip to Oscars on Sunday night
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140224&content_id=68266298¬ebook_id=68266304&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140224&content_id=68266298¬ebook_id=68266304&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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Gordon Beckham might have to relinquish the 'best hair' title to newcomer Matt Davidson
http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/02/22/68216710/gordon-beckham-matt-davidson-best-hair (http://wapc.mlb.com/cutfour/2014/02/22/68216710/gordon-beckham-matt-davidson-best-hair)
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VIDEO: Catcher Adrian Nieto discusses being selected by the White Sox in the 2013 Rule 5 Draft and fitting in with the club during Spring Training
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26659992/v31384127/nieto-on-being-selected-by-sox-in-2013-rule-5-draft (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/26659992/v31384127/nieto-on-being-selected-by-sox-in-2013-rule-5-draft)
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Thanks for the worthy post Andy. It is due to the cut, although is is hard to determine from that pic if Beckham has the right amount of wave for body. I think he does. The cut definitely goes to Matt for those pics.
Fashion Police Loveland.
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today's spring training opener vs. the Dodgers is available on the web for free.
See: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-live (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-live)
There's no score at the end of three innings.
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GLENDALE, AZ - MARCH 1: A general view of the tarp on the field as the game between the Cleveland Indians and the Chicago White Sox was called
because of rain at Camelback Ranch on March 1, 2014 in Glendale, Arizona. (Photo by Rob Tringali/Getty Images)
Indians-White Sox game rained out
Associated Press
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Saturday's scheduled exhibition game between the Cleveland Indians and Chicago White Sox has been called off because of rain.
The starting pitchers were to have been Trevor Bauer for Cleveland and John Danks for the White Sox.
http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=340301104&teams=cleveland-indians-vs-chicago-white-sox (http://scores.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=340301104&teams=cleveland-indians-vs-chicago-white-sox)
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Despite cancellation, Danks gets pitching in
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140301&content_id=68530858¬ebook_id=68535822&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140301&content_id=68530858¬ebook_id=68535822&vkey=notebook_cws&c_id=cws)
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Today's game is being telecast live at: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-live (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-live)
Andy Wilkins with a 3-run HR in the 1st as the White Sox lead the Royals 3-2 in the top of the 4th inning.
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Today's game is being telecast live at: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-live (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-live)
Andy Wilkins with a 3-run HR in the 1st as the White Sox lead the Royals 3-2 in the top of the 4th inning.
Wilkins hit it off Cy Guthrie as well.
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Kansas City 7
FINAL
White Sox 9
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No Abreu in lineup today?
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Seattle @ the White Sox is streaming now at: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-webcast (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-webcast)
John Danks on the bump for the White Sox. They're going into the bottom of the 1st no score. Danks struck out two allowed one hit and walked one in the top of the first.
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White Sox Closer battle remains on hold:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-closer-battle-20140307,0,1735043.story
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The FoxSportsCheeseland broadcast of the White Sox @ Brewers game is live on MLB Network. They're scoreless after one inning of play.
If you're not near a TV with MLB Network access, you can possibly view the game at one of these links:
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=250860&part=sports (http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=250860&part=sports)
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They've played six full innings and they're still scoreless. Chris Sale started for the White Sox and pitched 4 1/3 innings, giving up two singles, zero walks and striking out three.
For those without MLB Network access or a subscription to mlb.tv, try this link to watch on the web: http://nutjob.eu/njtvx11.html (http://nutjob.eu/njtvx11.html)
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A Jordan Danks two-run homer to right field gives the White Sox a 2-0 lead in the top of the 7th. Sox still batting with a runner on 2nd with two outs.
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Marcus Semien with a two-out RBI single stretches the lead to 3-0. Avisail Garcia Ks to end the top of the 7th inning.
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Nestor Molina in on relief. He quickly get the first two Brew Crew hitters out before giving up a triple to right, followed by a RBI single to center. The inning ends on a 4-3 ground out.
After seven complete, the White Sox lead 3-1.
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Great to see Sale do well after his last outing...
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With one out in the bottom of the 8th, White Sox pitcher Eric Surkamp surrenders a bloop single to left center followed by a two-run homer. Score now tied at 3 with the Brewers still batting in the 8th.
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With one out and runners on 2nd and 3rd, Jeff Keppinger hits a grounder to third. Third baseman throws to home but the run scores on Keppinger's fielders choice. A walk loads the bases followed by a strikeout and a two-out singles that drives in two more. Base runner is thrown out trying to go to third as the half inning ends. White Sox lead 6-3 going into the bottom of the 9th. Charlie Leesman on going for the save on his 27th birthday.
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White Sox win 6-3.
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Link to the free video webcast of today's Rangers/White Sox game in Glendale: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-webcast (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v25646279/white-sox-webcast)
Game started at 3:05 pm (Central) and there is no score as the White Sox are coming to bat in the bottom of the first. John Danks on the bump today for the White Sox.
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Leadoff double by Adam Eaton followed by RBI singles by Jose Abreu and Paul Konerko scores two runs.
At the end of one inning of play, White Sox lead the Rangers 2-0.
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A Gordon Beckham home run to center field leading off the bottom of the 3rd inning extends the White Sox lead to 3-0.
White Sox still batting and threatening to score some more.
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Dayan Viciedo hits an opposite field ground rule double driving in Avisail Garcia with another run. White Sox lead 4-0 as the third inning comes to an end.
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Marcus Semien with a leadoff walk in the bottom of the 4th. He moves to 2nd on a Gordon Beckham ground out. Semien then scores on a Jose Abreu single to left. After 4 full played, the White Sox lead 5-0.
John Danks still pitching as they start the 5th inning.
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Sox up 5-0 in the 5th.
Good news that Danks didn't give up any runs.
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how does danks look?
velocity back in the 92-93 range?
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how does danks look?
velocity back in the 92-93 range?
While the Rangers didn't score off of Danks in 5 innings of pitching, he did give up four hits and walked three while striking out only one. Danks was definitely aided by three double plays turned by the White Sox defense on some hard hit balls while he was pitching. Danks also picked off a runner to help his cause. So from what I saw today, Danks' stats looked a lot better than his actual performance today.
Couldn't tell the speed of his fastball since on the web-only telecasts the graphics are limited and there is no radar info shown. Melton and the P-B-P guy didn't mention speeds either while I was listening/watching.
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Rangers score one in the 7th off of Scott Downs to end the shutout.
Mitchell Boggs in the 8th demonstrated while Cardinal fans are happy he's not on their team. Boggs walks one and gives up a single to Lillibridge and back-to-back doubles to make it a one run game. Even the two batters he got out hit the ball hard.
Donnie Veal relieves Boggs with a runner on second and two out. He gets the batter to dribble the ball to the 3rd base side of the mound but Veal throws the ball away and we now have a tie game. Veal wild pitches the runner to third, then yields a walk and a single to drive in another run as the Rangers take the lead 6-5. Veal then strikes out Brad Synder to end the inning but not before the damage was done.
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A lead off single by Dayan Viciedo (his second opposite field hit of the game) is quickly followed by an around the horn GIDP by Josh Phlegley.
Matt Davidson then hits a HR to left center to tied the score at 6 all.
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Cody Winiarski wearing #86 takes the bump for the White sox in the 8th. He quickly gives up a single to Lillibridge (his second in the game) and then walks the next hitter. A GIDP with a good scoop at 1st by Alex Liddi leaves Lillibridge at 3rd base with now two out. Winiarski then get Adducci to make the third out of the inning.
Going into the bottom of the 9th, Carlos Sanchez due to lead off. Any old kind of run will win it for the Sox.
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White Sox win 7-6.
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Nice game for Abreu
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Sox make roster moves prior to today's game:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-giants-spring-training-20140312,0,3921570.story
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Back-to-back homers by Conor Gillaspie & Josh Phegley in the bottom of the 5th give the White Sox a 2-0 lead.
This game is being telecast live on Comcast SportsNet Chicago.
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Game ends in a 2-2 tie.
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Beckham out with strained oblique
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-gordon-beckham-oblique-20140315,0,1730109.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-gordon-beckham-oblique-20140315,0,1730109.story)
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Carlos Quentin Jr.
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Brewers wearing green jerseys & caps today. White Sox not celebrating St. Patrick's Day as they're in the black jerseys and regular black caps.
White Sox lead the Brewers 5-0 after five full innings of play. Felipe Paulino with a two-hit shutout. Alexi 3 for 3 and a RBI. Davidson with 2 doubles and 2 RBI.
If you don't have mlb.tv you can view the FoxSportsWisconsin feed live at: http://www.vipboxus.co/baseball/215366/1/chicago-white-sox-vs-milwaukee-brewers-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipboxus.co/baseball/215366/1/chicago-white-sox-vs-milwaukee-brewers-live-stream-online.html)
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Mitchell Boggs pitching the 6th for the White Sox. Blake Tekotte saves the shutout by robbing Aramis Ramierez of a homer.
White Sox now batting in the 7th. Alexi gets his 4th hit of the day driving in another run as it's now a 6-0 lead.
A misjudged fly ball to RF is credited as a double & RBI for Adam Dunn as the lead is now 7-0.
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Is this Blacksox at the game celebrating St. Paddy's Day?
A pinch hit two-run homer by Josh Richmond stretches the lead to 9-0.
Webb on for the White Sox to pitch the bottom of the 7th.
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No scoring the the top of the 8th. Lead still 9-0 as Nate Jones comes on to pitch in the bottom of the 8th inning.
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Donnie Veal on to pitch in the bottom of the 9th trying to preserve the team shutout.
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Donnie Veal puts the Brew Crew down 1-2-3 as the White Sox shutout the Brewers 9-0 on St. Patrick's Day.
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The Hawk & Stoney doing the telecast of the A's/White Sox today. The game is on the MLB Network and CSN-Chicago. For those without TV access, you can view it at: http://www.vipboxus.co/baseball/215373/1/oakland-athletics-vs-chicago-white-sox-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipboxus.co/baseball/215373/1/oakland-athletics-vs-chicago-white-sox-live-stream-online.html)
Oakland leads 3-0 on a 3-run HR in the top of the first. They're still batting with no outs and a runner on first.
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Jose Quintana is done for the day as the first nine hitters for Oakland have reached base. Duente Heath is coming on in relief. The A's have score eight runs and there is still nobody out. I don't think I'll be watching this game much longer. Guess I'll take the opportunity to go to my local polling place and vote in today's primary.
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That's 2 really bad outings in a row for Quintana. Reason to worry or are we still going by the 'ole "it's just spring training" line of thinking? I mean, to allow 9 hitters to reach without recording an out? Unless he tells the media he's working on a brand new pitch this late in spring training, I'm a tad bit worried.
I know the Sox aren't going to contend for anything important this year but I cannot suffer through another season like 2013.
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Ever since he got hit on the leg by a batted ball.
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I was at the game when he got hit, and it didn't seem that bad.
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Ugly, ugly game. U-G-L-Y. Glad it was only preseason and it doesn't count.
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The Hawk and Stoney working the Angels vs. White Sox game today in Glendale. Game is available on CSN-Chicago, MLB Network and mlb.tv. Erik Johnson on the bump today for the White Sox.
the telecast is streamed today at: http://www.vipboxus.co/baseball/215379/1/los-angeles-angels-vs-chicago-white-sox-live-stream-online.html (http://www.vipboxus.co/baseball/215379/1/los-angeles-angels-vs-chicago-white-sox-live-stream-online.html)
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First Q now Johnson... we're going to have a long year... our pitching is not as good as believed.... but i guess it is still just ST.
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Two-run homer to left center by Jose Abreu!
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Three-run homer by Matt Davidson!
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Home run Jordan Danks!
He's now hit a HR in last 3 at-bats and five total for the spring with 10 RBI and a .378 BA
Will he make the opening day roster?
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No game tomorrow as it's a day off for the White Sox.
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but I cannot suffer through another season like 2013.
I'm afraid you both can and will....
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I foresee a better year (as in, less sucky), but also fear a slow start. Not much hitting during the shiity April - May weather.
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Last year was hideous, I couldn't even get myself to watch a game for more than an inning or two, they were just incredibly bad and boring. However, at the end of the year, while bad they were fun to watch again. I predict a better year, and a way more interesting year.
After last year I am looking forward to it.
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Excellent outing by Jose Quintana today. Five innings of one-hit pitching with no walks and two strikeouts. Hope that's an indicator he's back on the right track.
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Two-run HR by Paul Konerko!
White Sox lead Seattle 7-3 in the bottom of the 6th
Game is telecast on CSN-Chicago with the Hawk and Stoney on the call.
If you can't see the game on TV, try this internet link: http://nutjob.eu/njtvx12.html (http://nutjob.eu/njtvx12.html)
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Quintana must have an arm injury.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/10665748/chicago-white-sox-sign-lefty-jose-quintana-5-year-deal
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Quintana must have an arm injury.
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/10665748/chicago-white-sox-sign-lefty-jose-quintana-5-year-deal
The negative vibes, man, they are a killing me. I was pleased they signed him.
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I am too... just seems as soon as we'd signed JD he was hurt...
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Today it's the Reds @ the White Sox in Glendale, AZ. The Hawk and Stoney are doing the telecast on CSN-Chicago. If you want to watch it and don't have TV access to the game, you can view it online at: http://nutjob.eu/njtvx9.html (http://nutjob.eu/njtvx9.html)
They're in the top of the 2nd with the White Sox leading 2-0. Adam Dunn drove in the two runs on an opposite field double.
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Seems like the defense has been really bad this spring. Blah!
Hopefully the team gets a couple of nice wins at the end of ST now and go into the season with a positive vibe.
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Earlier the Hawk & Stoney talking about Adrian Nieto will make the 25-man roster over Hector Gimenez as the back up catcher. Mostly due to their feeling Nieto being a Rule 5 draftee wouldn't clear waivers to stay in the organ-I-zation. Nothing officially in print confirming it as true but it probably is the case.
Nieto is just awful on attempted steals as he picks up another error on his throw down to 2nd base. Wonder how many hours Mark Parent is putting in with him in trying to improve his defense.
Game now tied 2-all in the bottom of the 4th.
Adam Eaton sure looks good at-bat.
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Three-run HR by Jose Abreu!
Sox lead 6-2 after four full innings of play!
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If his play today is his 'norm', Adrian Nieto is just an awful defensive catcher. Can't make a good throw on a steal, can't catch a pop up and bad technique on trying to block a pitch in the dirt. It's like he's an emergency catcher that hasn't played the position in years.
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The White Sox play the Cubs today at Cubs Park @ 2:05pm (Central). Felipe Paulino is the starting pitcher for the White Sox. The game is telecast on WGN-TV with the Hawk and Stoney. The game is available on the internet at: http://nutjob.eu/njtvx13.html (http://nutjob.eu/njtvx13.html)
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Ninth inning back-to-back solo homers by Adam Dunn and Alejando De Aza weren't enough as the White Sox lost to the nort'siders 4-3. With this loss the White Sox end their 2014 Cactus League schedule where they finished in 14th place (out of 15 teams) with a 9-14 record. Only the LA Dodgers won fewer games this spring training.
Only one game remains on the White Sox schedule before opening day. The White Sox play their Double-A minor league team (Birmingham Barons) Friday night in Birmingham.
This thread will be locked on Sunday and won't re-open until February 2015. The "Today's Game - 2014" thread will replace it, so if you have any comments you want to add on this thread please do so before Sunday 12:01AM.
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No live video from the White Sox/Barons game tonight.
Live Birmingham Barons' radio broadcast at: http://streema.com/radios/play/11828 (http://streema.com/radios/play/11828)
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The White Sox beat the Birmingham Barons 5-2. This ends their 2014 spring training schedule.
Next game is opening day vs. the Twinkies at U.S. Cellular Field.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-recap-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0329-20140329,0,3057578.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-recap-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0329-20140329,0,3057578.story)
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The White Sox beat the Birmingham Barons 5-2. This ends their 2014 spring training schedule.
Next game is opening day vs. the Twinkies at U.S. Cellular Field.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-recap-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0329-20140329,0,3057578.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-recap-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0329-20140329,0,3057578.story)
My buddy who is a huge Twin fan is pretty down on their team. Says they have had no offense all spring and hopes their pitching is better. None of their young studs made the team, unless Hicks counts, he is in CF again.
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With pitchers & catchers scheduled to report on Friday, this topic is now open and will remain open until opening day.
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Here's a handy list of the NRI's, with their numbers:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/roster_nri.jsp?c_id=cws
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Here's a handy list of the NRI's, with their numbers:
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/team/roster_nri.jsp?c_id=cws
Thanky
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Samardzija looks more intimidating in black and silver than he did in that cubbie blue.
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When is the reunion?
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Samardzija looks more intimidating in black and silver than he did in that cubbie blue.
Heh, they used to say that about the Raiders, too...
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http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/6319/chris-sale
Sale fractures his foot at home; out 3 weeks.
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No fracture heals in 3 weeks.
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Wednesday Recap: White Sox 6 Dodgers 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0305-20150304-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0305-20150304-story.html)
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Thursday Recap: Dodgers 6 White Sox 1
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0306-20150305-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0306-20150305-story.html)
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Sale progressing, but not there yet
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/111636444/injured-white-sox-pitcher-chris-sale-progressing-but-not-there-yet (http://m.mlb.com/news/article/111636444/injured-white-sox-pitcher-chris-sale-progressing-but-not-there-yet)
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Friday's recap: Padres 5 White Sox 0
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0307-20150306-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0307-20150306-story.html)
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Saturday's recap: Mariners 11 White Sox 7
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0308-20150307-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0308-20150307-story.html)
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Sunday's recap: White Sox 10 Athletics 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0309-20150308-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0309-20150308-story.html)
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Live webcast of today's game is available at:
http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v40434483/live-white-sox-webcast (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/8878818/v40434483/live-white-sox-webcast) .
Loveland's favorite pitcher whipping boy is the starter today for the White Sox.
The game is scheduled to start in about five minutes.
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Monday's recap: White Sox 3 Diamondbacks 3
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-diamondbacks-spt-0310-20150309-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-diamondbacks-spt-0310-20150309-story.html)
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Tuesday's recap: White Sox 6 Royals 2
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0311-20150310-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0311-20150310-story.html)
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So it appears Micah Johnson is leading the fight for the 2b position, although it's still pretty early. I hope he is truly ready for it seems he could be an impact player if he can get on and use his speed to be a menace on the bases. That would be fun.
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I would still like to see Johnson spend more time at AAA. To be dangerous, he needs to get on base, and his numbers dipped (specifically his walk rate) as soon as he got to AAA.
I'd hate to see him turn into a hacking late-career-Juan-Pierre type of player. Give him time to develop.
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I worry about his D, I do not want to sacrifice D at 2B for him. If he can handle it defensively I am ok with it. I think Beckham gets cut, he has not had a hit yet. I also am not a fan of Sanchez and looks like Bonifacio is playing more OF than infield. I think Johnson wins it due to lack of others, plus he is hitting.
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I see JoeC's point but similar to what MSF is saying, I guess I want Micah to show he can handle it because I don't like any of the other options -- unless they were to hand it to Bonafacio. From what I've seen of Sanchez he just doesn't strike me as anything but a sub and I don't even know why Hahn re-signed Beckham. I know defense is important but you need some offense to go along with it.
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I think Bonifacio would be my preferred choice to start.
I don't think Johnson in 2015 will give us anything more than Bonifacio in 2015. However, if we play Johnson, we could hinder his future development (2016 and beyond), whereas with Bonifacio, there really is no such future downside.
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Play Beckham. I'm sure this is the year he breaks out...
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Play Beckham. I'm sure this is the year he breaks out...
I can see the sarcasm drip right off that post.
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So it appears Micah Johnson is leading the fight for the 2b position, although it's still pretty early. I hope he is truly ready for it seems he could be an impact player if he can get on and use his speed to be a menace on the bases. That would be fun.
Appearances can be deceiving as I expect Micah Johnson to start the year in Triple-A. The two main reasons are he's not on the 40-man roster and 40 days or so in the minors will give the White Sox another year of 'control' as it will push back both his arbitration eligibility and free agency schedule.
The only way I think Johnson has a chance to be on the opening day 25-man roster is if there are two or more injuries between Beckham/Sanchez/Leury Garcia/Boiafacio/Gillaspie thant requires them to go on the DL. The late 2014 injury that prevented Johnson from being a September call-up along with the signings of Bonifacio & Beckham really dropped his chance to make the 2015 opening day roster.
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Wednesday's recap: White Sox 4 Rangers 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0312-20150311-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0312-20150311-story.html)
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So it appears Micah Johnson is leading the fight for the 2b position, although it's still pretty early. I hope he is truly ready for it seems he could be an impact player if he can get on and use his speed to be a menace on the bases. That would be fun.
Appearances can be deceiving as I expect Micah Johnson to start the year in Triple-A. The two main reasons are he's not on the 40-man roster and 40 days or so in the minors will give the White Sox another year of 'control' as it will push back both his arbitration eligibility and free agency schedule.
The only way I think Johnson has a chance to be on the opening day 25-man roster is if there are two or more injuries between Beckham/Sanchez/Leury Garcia/Boiafacio/Gillaspie than requires them to go on the DL. The late 2014 injury that prevented Johnson from being a September call-up along with the signings of Bonifacio & Beckham really dropped his chance to make the 2015 opening day roster.
You are probably correct, forgot about how they play that game.
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Thursday's recap: Giants 7 White Sox 4; Rangers 7 White Sox 3
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0313-20150312-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0313-20150312-story.html)
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So does Abreu even have a home run yet? Kris Bryant has had 3 in 2 days. His avg is still really good but c'mon Abreu, get it going. Chicks dig the long ball!
Looks like some of out newbies aren't doing so well yet either -- Melky Cabrera, Emilio Bonifacio and Adam LaRoche all have been stinky offensively so far. Good thing it's only spring training.
On the flip side Avisail Garcia , Adam Eaton and Geovany Soto have looked pretty good.
Admittedly, this is only going by box scores since I haven't paid that close attention to ST so maybe some of this looks worse than it is.
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Laroche petrifies me. I can see Adam Dunn II from here.
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Friday's recap: Rockies 5 White Sox 2
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0314-20150313-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0314-20150313-story.html)
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::some things never change::
from the link in the post immediately above:
Key number
.053. Gordon Beckham was 0-for-3 and is 1-for-19 this spring.
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Sunday's recap: White Sox 5 Angels 3
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-angels-spt-0316-20150315-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-angels-spt-0316-20150315-story.html)
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Monday's recap: Diamondbacks 6 White Sox 2
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-diamondbacks-spt-0317-20150316-story.html#navtype=outfit (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-diamondbacks-spt-0317-20150316-story.html#navtype=outfit)
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Tuesday's recap: White Sox 5 Mariners 5
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0318-20150317-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0318-20150317-story.html)
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Wednesday's recap: White Sox 9 Reds 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0319-20150318-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0319-20150318-story.html)
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Friday's recap: Cubs 10 White Sox 7
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0321-20150320-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0321-20150320-story.html)
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Courtney Hawkins hit 2 homers today, including the 2-run game winner in bottom of the 9th off Finnegan of the Royales, Sox win 6-4. Hawkins has 4 for the spring.
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Saturday's recap: White Sox 6 Royals 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0322-20150321-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0322-20150321-story.html)
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Sunday's recap: Brewers 13 White Sox 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-game-day-white-sox-spt-0323-20150322-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-game-day-white-sox-spt-0323-20150322-story.html)
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Monday's recap: Padres 10 White Sox 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-gameday-spt-0324-20150323-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-gameday-spt-0324-20150323-story.html)
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Tuesday's recap: Rockies 7 White Sox 6
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0325-20150324-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0325-20150324-story.html)
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3 errors? Ugh. Pitching and defense has been terrible this spring.
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Preseason + Melikey = errors.
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Rodon dazzled tonight. 9 k's in 4 innings. How much of a coincidence or not was it because his college catcher caught him?
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Wednesday's recap: White Sox 6 Royals 0
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0326-20150325-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0326-20150325-story.html)
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I think he makes the team, he deserves it thus far.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training/post/_/id/3215/carlos-rodon-steals-the-day-with-9-ks-for-white-sox
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http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training/post/_/id/3214/carlos-rodon-lights-up-twitter-with-dominant-outing
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I would prefer that he starts, but I would take him in the pen as well for the first half a year, until Danks or Noesi pitch themselves out of the rotation.
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I think he makes the team, he deserves it thus far.
I'm predicting Rodon gets sent to Triple-A with the plan to call him up to start the April 12th game against the Twinkies if Sale isn't ready.
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Brad Penny sure isn't helping his chances of making the team as he's given up 6 earned runs on 8 hits and three walks in 4 innings.
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Thursday's recap: Dodgers 9 White Sox 6
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0327-20150326-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0327-20150326-story.html)
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Brad Penny sure isn't helping his chances of making the team as he's given up 6 earned runs on 8 hits and three walks in 4 innings.
Just let Penny go I say, no need for 5th starter and if we needed one it would be Rodon at this point. I would like Rodon in the pen until we know what is up with Sale.
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I would love to see Rodon in the 'pen or starting in the minors all year, at least until he really develops his changeup.
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If Rodon doesn't start the year in the minors, I'll be shocked.
There is no reason to do anything other than send him to AAA and see if he continues to pitch at a high level.
If Noesi stinks or someone gets hurt or we get sick of watching Danks not earn his money, so be it.
Until that time, let him work on his craft.
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Friday's recap: Cubs 6 White Sox 3
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0328-20150327-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0328-20150327-story.html)
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If Rodon doesn't start the year in the minors, I'll be shocked.
There is no reason to do anything other than send him to AAA and see if he continues to pitch at a high level.
If Noesi stinks or someone gets hurt or we get sick of watching Danks not earn his money, so be it.
Until that time, let him work on his craft.
Pen works for me. Our system has a rep for bringing up young pitchers and starting them out in the pen. It seems to work. He is pretty much ready, he threw a ton of innings in college, let him work 100 innings from the pen or spot starts. He will learn more than pitching in the minors.
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Does Rodon have the same deal as The Great Kris Bryant? That is, send him down for two weeks, get an extra year of "control"?
If so, that's what they should do.
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Nah, don't play that card. If he deserves it, he deserves it.
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No way. He only needs to be down there for 9 games, and we get an extra year.
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Saturday's recap: A's 10 White Sox 4
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0329-20150328-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0329-20150328-story.html)
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what on earth is going on with the bullpen.
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Our system has a rep for bringing up young pitchers and starting them out in the pen
Worked pretty well for Buehrle and Sale...
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Sunday's recap: White Sox 4 Indians 1
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Nah, don't play that card. If he deserves it, he deserves it.
This game is a business. The player normally shows no loyalty to the team when they become a FA and bolt for the highest bidder. If sending him down for a week or two gains an extra year of control, you send him down. I don't fault the cubs on this one. It's the smart move for the team long term.
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I dont think the service time issues are as drastic for pitchers.
For one its easy to send a pitcher down right around the all star break in the name of keeping his innings down. give him 14-15 days off and you've staved off FA for another year.
I think if we are "all in". rodon makes the roster on opening day... we sure can use the help in the Bullpen.
He can work on this changeup in chicago.
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I dont think the service time issues are as drastic for pitchers.
For one its easy to send a pitcher down right around the all star break in the name of keeping his innings down. give him 14-15 days off and you've staved off FA for another year.
There was just an article about that last week (Jon Heyman, maybe?). It will be interesting to see if the team goes that route or not. We'll know in less than a week.
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Monday's recap: Indians 4 White Sox 1
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spt-0331-20150330-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spt-0331-20150330-story.html)
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Man, every time I see Bonifacio in the lineup it seems like he goes hitless. Does he even have 5 hits this ST?
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Bonifacio has 6 hits this spring. Four of them for extra bases. Three doubles & a triple.
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Tuesday's recap: White Sox 2 Dodgers 1
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0401-20150331-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0401-20150331-story.html)
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Jeff Samardzija gives up 5 runs on 5 hits (including a 3-run HR) in the top of the 1st as the Padres lead 5-0 at Camelback Ranch. His spring training ERA is now over 9.00. Is it time to be officially worried about Samardzija? Will it end up being Samardzija that Rodon replaces in the rotation in 30 days?
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The outlook for the season will look a lot worse if Samardzija doesn't get it together. Can't afford to have 2 holes in the rotation. Hopefully he's still experimenting with something to explain his crappy spring.
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Thursday's recap: Diamondbacks 10, White Sox 2
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0403-20150402-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-gameday-white-sox-spring-training-spt-0403-20150402-story.html)
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Do you know what Samard-Jah's spring training stats were the past two seasons?
Me, I am more worried about Danks and Noesi.
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White Sox no match for Triple-A Charlotte in final tuneup for opener
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-charlotte-spt-0404-20150403-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-charlotte-spt-0404-20150403-story.html)
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Micah Johnson and Kyle Drabek are your starter at 2B and final bullpen member...
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-white-sox-micah-johnson-20150405-story.html
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Hi guys......I'm back!!! Let's go Sox :)
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Hi Hunnie, good to see you back.
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Great to have you back, Hunnie!
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Hunnie!
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Hopefully Big Hunnie comes back, too. :)
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Hey Hunnie!!! What a wonderful surprise!
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Welcome back Hunnie. Unfortunately you haven'y missed too many posts.
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I'm so glad I found you guys!! I've taken some time away to work and raise 2 boys that have kept me extremely busy. They're both gone now, and i"m looking forward to following the Sox again :) Glad to be back!!
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Welcome back hunnie!
Your son is doing really well with the rays!
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Hi Hunnie!
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With pitchers & catchers reporting today at the Diamondbacks, Giants, Indians and the Rockies training sites, this thread is open again.
The White Sox pitchers & catchers are scheduled to arrive on 02/19. White Sox positions players aren't required to report until the 23rd.
http://www.springtrainingconnection.com/reportingdates.html
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Where are all our spring training fluff pieces.
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We need fluffers
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Here's fluffer on Danks ("What about Danks?"):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-white-sox-john-danks-20160301-story.html
"He's coming in here with a good frame of mind," Ventura said. "He's throwing the ball well, and even the way he's talking about the way he can contribute. He's also feeling what's going on inside the clubhouse, and he wants to be a part of it. He wants to be a major part of it."
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Was at the ST game today. For what it's worth, Avi looked good in all four plate appearances (vs Ian Kennedy and Dan DuffyWith his new stance he was able to pull the ball hard down the third baseline twice, for double and single, and showed patience at the plate, running the count up. Eaton was on fire, and even Davidson had solid at bats with a double, single, and near homer. And no K's for Avi, LaRoche, and Davidson.
Pitchingwise, Fulmer got tattooed by the top batters (Escobar, Moose, Hosmer, and Morales) . He stayed at 92-93 and his ball looked straight. Tyler Darnish looked better against those same top hitters.
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LaRoche got hurt, correct?
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Was at the ST game today. For what it's worth, Avi looked good in all four plate appearances (vs Ian Kennedy and Dan DuffyWith his new stance he was able to pull the ball hard down the third baseline twice, for double and single, and showed patience at the plate, running the count up. Eaton was on fire, and even Davidson had solid at bats with a double, single, and near homer. And no K's for Avi, LaRoche, and Davidson.
Pitchingwise, Fulmer got tattooed by the top batters (Escobar, Moose, Hosmer, and Morales) . He stayed at 92-93 and his ball looked straight. Tyler Darnish looked better against those same top hitters.
Thanks Juan.
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Poor outing for Johnson. Going to be tough making cuts in the pen, everyone doing well except Putnam.
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Ynoa is one i am rooting for.
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So many arms ahead of him. Kahnle looks good, throws hard I guess. I could do without Petricka and Putnam.
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I feel like the Sox have already won more spring training games this year than the last couple years combined.
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Hah, sure does seem like it
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It's nice to get off in the first inning.
- Robin Ventura
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Interesting new twist to the "a beer each inning" challenge.
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First week trends.
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Interesting new twist to the "a beer each inning" challenge.
Never thought of it like that.
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The 4th and 5th spots in the rotation are looking quite ugly so far this sping. :o
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oh man, Johnson is making me want to hurl.
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They don't need to be great but they have to be serviceable. Can't have 2 spots be automatic losses and kill the bullpen.
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This is the part where the pitchers say "we are working on specific things, got a lot of good work in today, I'll be okay".
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Has Latos pitched yet? I am counting on him being a solid #4. Either Danks or Johnson will hopefully step up to fill the 5th position. Both have stunk so far, but I think either could be serviceable as a 5th starter.
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Latos pitched in a B game Saturday. he went 4 innings and allowed 3 runs (2 on a HR in the 1st).
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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/white-sox-designate-mike-olt.html
Mike Olt has been released.
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This makes the second time in 6 months that Mike Olt has been released to make room for Austin Jackson in Chicago.
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Wait, what???
Colleen Kane @ChiTribKane 5m5 minutes ago
Adam LaRoche has told White Sox he plans to step away from baseball. Teammates asked him to sleep on it, but he's confident in decision.
We're still in March correct? So it's not April Fool's day?
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Olt hates Austin Jackson.
The LaRoche news is shocking, and selfishly, great. Can't believe he'd walk away from $13 million.
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http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/adam-laroche-to-retire-from-baseball/
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Olt hates Austin Jackson.
The LaRoche news is shocking, and selfishly, great. Can't believe he'd walk away from $13 million.
We probably worked out something with him financially to entice him.
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The LaRoche news is shocking, and selfishly, great. Can't believe he'd walk away from $13 million.
I truly thought it was a joke at first.
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Wow.
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best news of the year.
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...so does this mean we have some cash to spend?
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Posted in the rumors thread, didn't realize it was over here. Not sure it's official yet, but I'd save the money until we see what we need. Late May/Early June deal.
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Let's get another NL strikeout king on the wrong side of 30.
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No need to pick up anyone.
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They might need another starting pitcher.
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Davidson's still on fire, 2 for 2 today, 2 hr's, one the game winner, and batting .455. I heard that he copied Avi's new batting stance. Maybe they can try him for a month at part time DH/3B/IB? What do we have to lose? Carlos Sanchez hitting for a month? Or maybe try and trade him.
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They might need another starting pitcher.
Pitcher yes, but we do not need a DH to replace LaRoche
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Davidson needs to prove he can do it in AAA, do not keep him off his ST stats. Avi deserves a chance I guess, let him play RF until Eaton can, then Avi can DH.
I like Sanchez, keep him as backup Inf with Saladino.
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I like Sanchez too. I always like glove guys.
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I like Sanchez too. I always like glove guys.
I have a glove ;D
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Nothing like a little old retirement party to bring the posters out.
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Nothing like a little old retirement party to bring the posters out.
I laughed audibly.
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LaRoche retiring is the best news yet this spring.
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So apparently it's coming out that the Sox told LaRoche his 14 year old son can't be in the clubhouse all day everyday like he was last year and that's why LaRoche is retiring. And there are actually people (twitter people) saying how bad the Sox look for doing that. Are you kidding me? A major league clubhouse doesn't want a young kid hanging around all the time and they're the bad guys?
Other players have families too. What if they started demanding their kid have their own stall as well, like LaRoche's. And hey, maybe the kid should be going to school, dontcha think???
I cannot understand how the Sox are wrong in any way here, yet that's what the media will love to portray. Unbelievable.
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The LaRoche father-son locker setup in the Sox's clubhouse at the Cell last year:
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If Adam LaRoche wants to walk away from $13M because his son can't be with him 24/7, that's fine. That's his right. But the White Sox absolutely had the right to request that little Drake not be with the team 24/7. I'm no fan of Kenny Williams but in this instance he is 100% right.
LaRoche already filed the retirement paperwork but the Sox have not turned it in yet to give him time to reconsider. That's more than generous. I hope he doesn't change his mind after all this.
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And there are actually people (twitter people) saying how bad the Sox look for doing that.
Twitter people? Who cares what they think. They are two notches below Message Board people.
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If we really allowed the kid to be there 100% of the time last year... this is a strange about face.
I have no doubt KW botched this. i can feel it.
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I have no doubt KW botched this. i can feel it.
You have an extreme hatred for KW. Even if they allowed it last year he has the right at any point in time to put a limit on how much kids are in the clubhouse. It's not like he banned the kid completely. He asked LaRoche to dial it back a notch. That is not in any way unreasonable. There was nothing to "botch."
Twitter people? Who cares what they think. They are two notches below Message Board people.
You are right about that. ;D Still irritating.
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SR... always the KW apologist... just hop on the wagon and i'll get you a monogrammed pitch fork.
The wagon serves Burbon and your choice for appetizers.
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;D
No fan of KW's, though!
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I think this was KW's most brilliant move in ten years! :)
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I find it almost hard to believe they allowed it last year. What is he trying to do, show his kid an assortment of men's bodies?
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I think this was KW's most brilliant move in ten years! :)
+1
Thank you Kenny Williams! You've earned your pay for 2016.
Now, if only John Danks has a kid that constantly hangs around the clubhouse, they could get rid of another overpaid albatross.
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I still don't get it... if it was OK to the point of giving the kid his own locker last year... what has changed so drastically? We're we not trying to win last year? Or was drake constantly causing the hitters to go into massive year long funks with his antics?
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Metodo, he should NOT have been allowed to do that last year either, IMHO.
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I think there is probably a middle ground between 100% and 0%. Probably limit to after games/off days vs during prep time etc.
My problem with it is mainly with KW. Its the kind of random policy shifts/decision making that has marked the entirety of his management tenure.
Remember when we went from wanting to sign ray ray to an extention to trading him for jon adkins in roughly no time.... same kinda random decision making here.
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don't blame KW, a bunch of players went to him & complained.
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Plus KW never told him it had to go from 100% to 0%. He did say 50% was still too much. You bet others complained. I would. You cannot be yourself in a clubhouse with a 14 year old kid hanging around. Like I say, giving him a chair and a locker, way overboard, should have never been done.
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Hey this is March, not July. Kids are supposed to be in school not a clubhouse in Arizona or Chicago whether its a 13 year old kid or a 14 year old kid. Why should the Sox be babysitters? And another question , why does Dad have to babysit the kid? Where is the mother of this JD?
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Wshfl, you must have a time machine that allows you to travel here from Leave it to Beaver days.
Anyway, back to LaRoche, the request made of him was not unreasonable, and if I disliked him before, I can't think of a another former sox player that I now dislike more. He put his kid into this. The request made was reasonable and he chose to tell everyone how it made him choose between family and the game.
Adam, please leave
snipits from the Chicago Tribune article tonight.
If Adam LaRoche retires from baseball because the White Sox asked him to limit how often he brought his 14-year-old son, Drake, into the clubhouse, then he was looking for a reason to leave.
The Sox simply supplied him one.
Blame a back that isn't working, a heart that isn't in it anymore or a swing that isn't as scary as it once was. But don't blame the Sox for doing what any professional employer has the right to do, to create a work environment conducive for everyone — not just one individual trying to make an exception the rule. Don't blame the team that paid LaRoche $12 million to hit a paltry .207 last year for doing the right thing.
You're going to walk away from $13 million and a chance to play for a team that considers itself a contender because you can't bring your son to work? There is no way LaRoche was mentally ready for the rigors of a 162-game season if he let club executive vice president Ken Williams' reasonable request coax him into retirement.
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One more snip from Jim Bowdon on ESPN
Adam LaRoche - I am all about family too...as a former GM...my 5 boys were allowed to partake in spring training...shagging, taking grounders, hitting in the cages. But there was a time and a place and when myself or MGR felt it was time to shut it down we did, same for all players and their children. For LaRoche to walk away from $13m and to blame it on his son being asked to limit his presence is disgraceful. After hitting a measly .207 I hope that had more to do with it. Adam has publicly admitted to leaving his wife at the ball park on multiple occasions after games only to have to drive back to get her. I'm hoping this is just a LaRoche moment and he'll come back tomorrow and take the blame away from a team president who asked his em
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You're going to walk away from $13 million and a chance to play for a team that considers itself a contender because you can't bring your son to work? There is no way LaRoche was mentally ready for the rigors of a 162-game season if he let club executive vice president Ken Williams' reasonable request coax him into retirement.
Therein lies the quandary.
Now that he's gone, the team may have a shot at contending.
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KW wins!
this should really help the team gel and go for a real run this year... atleast they'll be doing something together.
http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/white-sox-adam-laroche-son-drake-retirement-boycot-031716
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If there is a division between Ventura who is the Manager and how the clubhouse is run, and KW.
Guess who's side i am on? i told you... KW botched this. Club house is for the MGR to run not the executive vice BS artist.
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This is the stupidest baseball controversy ever. It's sooooo White Sox. What a dysfunctional organization. And if the players are mad, they are totally misguided and wrong. Chris Sale has absolutely no business talking to his boss' boss' boss that way. He should be suspended.
This all has to be a joke. They are leaking all this fake info as a joke, right?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/adam-laroche-retire-kenny-williams-chris-sale.html
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Thats because we have a half assed guy named KW running the place.
You dont give a Kid a Locker in your club house for an entire year... then the next year tell him he's not really all that welcome in the clubhouse.
Its the same half assed decision making that has plagued this team for 15 years. Its almost like the baseball gods are punishing us for 2005. with another freaking decade of KW.
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As a side note... read on Fangraphs that the young LaRoche is some what of a baseball hitting savant.
Can we safely cross him off our draft list now?
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CSN Chicago’s David Kaplan reports a number of elements on the decision, including the fact that allowing Drake to be in the clubhouse every day was actually a requirement for LaRoche to even sign with the Sox in the first place
So we agreed to this? and are now telling him no? KW is a dick.
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then the next year tell him he's not really all that welcome in the clubhouse.
They didn't kick the kid out or say he's not welcome, they said not all day everyday. And frankly, I agree with that. It's not day care. Kids can be there some of the time, but all day everyday? No freaking way. Ultimately, it is a place of business, and should be treated as such. What if you need to call out LaRoche for something; can you yell at him in front of his kid?
I have a feeling a new guy like Lawrie and/or Frazier went to KW and said WTF is this sh*t?
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Dave Kaplan? It must be true.
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Well, at least the clubhouse is mostly united now.
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then the next year tell him he's not really all that welcome in the clubhouse.
They didn't kick the kid out or say he's not welcome, they said not all day everyday. And frankly, I agree with that. It's not day care. Kids can be there some of the time, but all day everyday? No freaking way. Ultimately, it is a place of business, and should be treated as such. What if you need to call out LaRoche for something; can you yell at him in front of his kid?
I have a feeling a new guy like Lawrie and/or Frazier went to KW and said WTF is this sh*t?
I agree... but if the reports are true and they agreed to this before he even signed here, that changes the context of the discussion a bit.
If they allowed it last year... and the manager is ok with it. why is KW sticking his nose in this **** now?
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If it's written into his contract, then why wouldn't LaRoche politely point that out in the form of a grievance, rather than retiring?
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Probably because KW is going lone wolf on this.
Rosenthal reports that neither Hahn nor Ventura agrees with Williams’ approach. Asked why he made the decision and broke the news to LaRoche himself (as opposed to Hahn or Ventura), Williams told Rosenthal “This had the potential to **** people off and I’m the best one to absorb the heat. Period.”
I am glad LaRoche is gone... but this is just a total typical KW clusterfuck.
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I think this is all fun watching as it develops. Sox are in the national limelight, and once this mess is cleared up, we may have no LaRoche, maybe KW and or RV are gone, Sure beats where we were before this went down,
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If they allowed it last year... and the manager is ok with it. why is KW sticking his nose in this **** now?
Because some players went to KW and complained. That has been reported! Therefore he stepped in as VP like he should. There may have been a verbal agreement but #1) we don't know if they agreed to let the kid be there 24/7 and #2) even if they did, they absolutely have the right to change their minds.
Why are you listening to cubbie boy Kaplan who would love nothing better than to see the Sox roasted on this? KW is in the right here. And as BS said, Sale should be reprimanded for talking to his boss that way.
This is becoming a sh*t show and it's Adam LaRoche who started it with his tantrum. He is to blame. He should have kept his mouth shut and retired to be with his son instead of leaking it to the media that the big, bad White Sox would only let his son be there 50% of the time.
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I am listening to Eno Sarris on Fan graphs and Rosethal... not so much Kaplan.
I love a Beat up on KW story. So this is fantastic.
If my co-workers go complain to the owner of the company, do you know what he does? he tells my boss who would deal with it... he wouldnt compromise my bosses position by stepping in himself.
Same situation here. Why did he not let VEntura/Hahn handle it?
"The White Sox named Hahn the GM in Oct. 2012, with Williams promoted to executive vice president. Rival officials, however, say that the relationship between the two is uneasy, in part because at times Williams continues to exert his influence."
Typical BS KW move. The man has no tact or skill at managing. He just does things as randomly as they come to him. It appears atleast half or more of the clubhouse + Hahn + Ventura were ok with this. Why not go tell ventura that Players X Y and L have complained... YOU need to deal with this situation.
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He's sort of like Theo on the Northside. Hoyer is GM but it's really Epstein that's head honcho over there.
Listen, I will be happy when KW is gone and even better when there's a whole new front office, but in this case I can't find fault in what he did. Instead of making the manager be the bad guy, he took the sword. And players complained so there was obviously a problem. Now we just have to wait for all this nonsense to blow over. With a little luck the team will come out of the gate hot in April and no one will care about this in a few months.
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To discipline Sale would be a DANGEROUS slope that KW is just better off taking the high road on.
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No offense... but that is the most apologetic post about KW you have made recently...
Manager/GM need to be running the club house. KW should sit in his Crystal palace and do his administrative thing.
Or he should step down from Executive VP and be a GM/MGR all in one.
Stop undermining the people you hire to run the damn organization.
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FWIW, Scot Gregor (Daily Herald Sox beat guy) is being interviewed on the radio right now, and he said he specifically asked Kenny if LaRoche child access was in his contract, and Kenny said "No".
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Method, your rants on KW are getting tiring and redundant. We know where you stand, no need to keep repeating things over and over again.
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i can see that. i'm sorry. i feel very strongly about him.
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No problem
Anyway, this is my favorite take in the situation
Espn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM-yef6Z904
Link doesn't work, but if you google Bayliss ESPN Adam LaRoche you'll easily find the youtube link. I agree with these guys 1000% and I am beginning to get sick of Chris Sale's anger issues. Remember the spies in centerfield?
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the SCORE has been reporting that the whole boycott story is bullshit.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Sale's outburst wasn't really about the LaRoche situation/front office clubhouse interference but his opportunity to vocalize his displeasure with the White Sox for dumping his favorite battery-mate this off-season.
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Why were White Sox players so rabidly defending Adam LaRoche when he walked out on them?
I mean, he’d rather quit than try to win. He’d rather quit on his teammates than try to win the World Series. Some teammate.
Reports had it that perennial Cy Young candidate Chris Sale led a loud, pottymouth clubhouse assault on Sox executive vice president Ken Williams as he delivered the news. Wrong target, ace.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/ct-adam-laroche-son-white-sox-rosenbloom-20160318-column.html
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Adam just said it was an "understanding "
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I side with KW. Though Adam's response should be KW is the boss he made the decision and I don't want to play if my kid can't be there everyday 24/7 Boom done
He says now he was told not to bring him around at all though doesn't make it clear who said it
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Sully was just on the score, idiot.
This is just a really dumb issue anyway
However it does show the disfunction the org
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White Sox outright Zach Phillips, who rejects it and opted for free agency.
Chris Sale immediately launched into an F-Bomb tirade against KW, and hung Zach Phillips' jersey in his locker.
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It's just about impossible to relate to Adam LaRoche
http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/3/17/11252392/its-just-about-impossible-to-relate-to-adam-laroche?_ga=1.4969264.2055720282.1455344150 (http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/3/17/11252392/its-just-about-impossible-to-relate-to-adam-laroche?_ga=1.4969264.2055720282.1455344150)
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interview with sale about it.
http://www.csnchicago.com/white-sox/chris-sale-white-sox-%E2%80%98got-bold-faced-lied-to%E2%80%99-adam-laroche-situation
"Q: You said common ground — did he come down here saying ‘We’d like to compromise on the new policy’ or is it, ‘This is the new policy’?
A: Yeah well, Kenny said quite a few things, contradicting statements a couple times. He came to the players, said it was the coaches. Went to the coaches, said it was the players and then came in here and told us it was the owner. So, we’re not exactly — who it’s coming from, where it originated from. That’s why we’re still trying to figure out where it all came from."
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I don't care how it happened anymore. LaRoche was a weird duck dynasty kind of guy who lost his baseball talents, and if KW didn't do whatever he did, we would still owe this jerk $13 million to do nothing but hurt this team.
As for Sale, I would try to get whatever I could for him. He basically is calling for a mutiny, and no-one is nearly as strong as him on that point.
A couple of years ago the Nats were willing to trade Rendon and Giolotto for Sale.
I'm glad this was all brought to a head. Three years of sucking has to stop.
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Sale is not the reason we suck.
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If we trade Sale because KW has no tact... that would be turning this into the worst mistake of the last 20 years.
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But while Sale and others rip Williams for lying, why has nobody in a Sox uniform questioned LaRoche for quitting? Instead, Sox players built a shrine to a player who walked out on them because he couldn't bring his son to work whenever he wanted — rules the rest of working America lives by. For $13 million, that hardly seemed like too much for LaRoche's employer to ask.
LaRoche could have spared his son from scrutiny no teenager deserves and his teammates from attention they didn't handle well. He either could have accepted the Sox terms like a true professional he was for 12 seasons, and the team's money, or quietly retired without dragging everybody into this baseball soap opera. He chose to take his bat and go home for good, letting his agent and an 835-word statement speak for him. In a week of overreaction, it all started with LaRoche leaving Camelback Ranch.
Now the Sox either will bond over a common cause or let the organizational divisiveness destroy them. The baseball adage says you can't win a division in April but the oversensitive Sox sure look intent on trying to lose it in March.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-whiny-white-sox-haugh-spt-0320-20160319-column.html
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Adam Eaton confirms that he's a freakin' idiot:
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb-news/4699033-adam-laroche-son-drake-white-sox-clubhouse-adam-eaton
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My two cents on the LaRoche thing:
1. Obviously there was a verbal agreement in place as part of LaRoche signing with the team. That is why KW ASKED instead of told.
2. Verbal contracts mean little, this is why players have agents...to get things in writing.
3. If KW made the request privately and LaRoche made this a public drama...not KW's fault.
It sounds like KW had a meltdown when LaRoche kept bringing the kid after his initial request though. Which is what the clubhouse brouhaha seems to have developed from. That IS KW's fault.
4. If someone is paying you $13 million dollars to do nothing but a hit a baseball, and you do it extremely poorly, contributing greatly to the failure of the team: you shouldn't need a VP to come to you and ask you to limit distractions. If you're a professional, you do it on your own.
5. This is an example of the Sox missing the clubhouse leadership Konerko provided. I have a feeling Kong would have handled this deftly. And I'd love for someone to interview AJ Pierzynski about this...
6. My gut feeling is that LaRoche should have never signed with the Sox. He should have retired after becoming an FA. Clearly his heart and head are elsewhere. He admits his family wanted him to retire. If he's "family before baseball" that should have taken precedent.
7. Sale is ultra-competitive, which, mixed with his talent, is why he's an ace. That comes with a cost. Sale's contract is possibly the biggest bargain in baseball. You don't trade that because he has an occasional meltdown. Jordan used to excoriate certain teammates on a regular basis. Could you imagine if the Bulls had traded him?
8. This will be used to define Sox season. If they start poorly, it will be blamed. If they do well and invest the money saved in a mid-season addition, it will be identified as the reason the team came together.
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From southsidesox.com
Dear Chicago White Sox players,
This is intended for all players but most particularly for those who are talking to the media. This Adam and Drake LaRoche stuff has to stop now. There appear to be some misconceptions you have about this situation. Let's try to clear them up.
We don't care about Adam LaRoche.
This is a really, really important thing. Since I think you need to be reminded, that "we" is White Sox fans. You know. Your customers. Jerry Reinsdorf might sign the checks but he's using money we paid to the White Sox to do it.
And we don't care about LaRoche. We don't cherish his one season as a member of the White Sox. We don't respect him. Maybe you need to pause for a second to discern why we don't respect him.
I'll just help you out: He was a **** horseshit player. He batted .207/.293/.340. He hit 12 home runs and drove in 44 runs. He was a well-below replacement level player. His wRC+ was 75. The eye test said he was bad. Whatever your favorite stat, whatever your analytical persuasion, it didn't matter. He was terrible. And he made $12 million actively hurting the team. We're absolutely thrilled that he retired. He was a deadweight on the performance of our team, on the finances of our team. And now he's gone. This is a near ideal outcome for us.
We don't mind that you may care about him (and his son). After all, you see the other - and more important - side of him. To you, he's an actual human being where, for us, he's essentially a walking stat line. He came to the White Sox with a great reputation. You have a lot of respect for him. That's fine. But we don't.
We don't want to hear about this.
To us, it's utterly ridiculous. A guy - most particularly a guy who was really, really, really bad at his job and was the 3rd highest-paid employee - wants to bring his teenage son to work almost everyday. And you're sticking up for him. We can't relate. It's laughable for one of us to think that we could take our kid to work even once (setting aside the extremely infrequent take-your-kid-to-work days). It's actually kind of offensive to hear someone think they're entitled to take their kid to work everyday.
And we do understand. Major League Baseball is a pretty unique job and has unique demands. And you guys are entitled to some unique benefits and privileges that the rest of us proles can only dream of. But that doesn't mean shove it in our faces. We can't identify with LaRoche in this situation or those of you sticking up for him.
You know who we can identify with? A player/coach/boss/owner who thinks it's distracting/weird/ridiculous/whatever that the son of a player gets to be around the team all the time and, in fact, even has a frickin' locker. They're the ones who notice that there were more players in major league camp than there are lockers in the main locker room. So some guy who has busted his ass for years to get the opportunity to be in major league camp is relegated to the "little" locker room while a 14-year-old kid whose only credential is "Adam LaRoche's son" gets the respect that comes with being in that room.
White Sox baseball is not day camp.
Yeah. This is where things get a little bit ridiculous on our end. But hear me out.
We take the White Sox very seriously. Yes, it's weird that grown-ass men and women care a lot (yes, we concede, probably too much) about how a bunch of guys we don't personally know play a game. There's a reason that "fan" comes from "fanatic".
But we think we're entitled to a distraction. To entertainment. To something that we enjoy (or at least ideally enjoy) watching and spending our limited time and money on. And our distraction is your job. We take it seriously and we expect you to do the same.
There are those of us who already knew about Drake's extensive presence and participation - all of us do now. Some of us have gone to spring training or seen pregame work where there was a kind of short guy wearing #25 and being in the middle of a lot of what was happening. And not just shagging fly balls like other kids. Actually participating in your practice.
Do you understand the optics of that? When we see you fielding like a 14-year-old, doing a run-down like a 14-year-old, run the bases like a 14-year-old and hit like a 14-year-old, it kind of causes us to wonder whether you took those drills with the kid seriously. Whether having someone else participating - like, say, an actual baseball player - might have resulted in you taking it a little more seriously. Or getting a little more of a benefit. Or being a little more focused on doing your job instead of giving pointers to a kid or cleaning up the mistakes of a kid.
Leaders.
And one of you called Drake LaRoche a leader! A 14-year-old kid! Not on the team! A leader for our White Sox! Those four exclamation points are probably four more than I've ever seriously used. I want to emphasize how ridiculously silly this was to hear from the mouth of a baseball player. When you're resorting to such facially absurd and, frankly, borderline offensive rhetoric that means your position is weak.
This is probably where you guys need to take a good, long look at your own clubhouse. LaRoche asserted that if anybody ever had a problem with his kid being around so much, they just could've talked to him about it.
Let's break that down for a minute. How do you think that sounds to a lot of your teammates? Let's say it's a guy with a few major league seasons under his belt, maybe with the White Sox, maybe with some other teams, too. Guess what they're probably thinking.
This teenager is a team leader? That's a guy my teammates respect as a leader? Really? What about me? I'm supposed to give that much respect to a kid? I have to watch what I say and do, watch some kid fly on our charter, have a locker, be involved in everything - even handhold him in drills where I'm trying to get better - while I've worked for years to reach this level, sacrificed lots of things, actually play for the team. And I don't get the same respect Adam Laroche's kid gets. I can't actually approach him about his son, about how I really feel about having a kid in my locker room. (And, yes, some of us did notice that LaRoche was not a good player.) That's why I (and others) went behind LaRoche's and everyone else's back.
That's what's happening to your team.
We don't care about the substance, either.
A player wants his kid around. Some of you guys think that's okay. Some of you didn't. You think you were lied to. You think a teammate got wronged by the organization. That's what you say is really the problem, not that the kid is gone. Blah. Blah. Blah.
Because we know what this is. It's miscommunication. It's people embellishing or outright obfuscating reality. It's people upset with their bosses for changing something. It's things we can't relate to. It's people with egos and, yes, entitlements clashing with one another over...whatever.
And that word really sums it up. Whatever. Stop talking to the media. We're not on your side and we're not going to be. Work it out with your teammates and your bosses. But do it behind closed doors. You guys look and sound ridiculous. Shut up about this and go play baseball. And try winning more games than you lose this time.
Best regards, larry
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this is pretty damn funny: https://www.gofundme.com/pxuvauve
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Heh.
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LaRoche’s teammates liked him so much that none of them could bring themselves to tell him that they thought it would be better if Drake spent a little less time around the team.
While the White Sox’s players supported LaRoche’s decision publically, one current member of the team — who asked to remain anonymous because of the sensitivity of the situation — said that management was within its right to ask that Drake’s access be more limited.
“It’s a tough situation because Adam is as good as it gets as a teammate and a person and Drake is a great kid who shouldn’t have been dragged into the middle of this whole thing,” the player said. “But it was to the point where it kind of exceeded the limit.
“Drake was out there on the field every day in spring training while we were going through drills. I had no problem with him being in the clubhouse or hanging around the dugout but I think you have to draw the line as far as on-field stuff. That is where the problem came from. That bothered some guys.
http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/around-the-diamonds/mlb-rumors-rumblings-laroche-situation-should-lead-to-uniform-rules-for-kids-in-the-clubhouse/
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Commenting late on this but the whole thing is ridiculous IMO. However I especially finding annoying the numerous comments praising Laroche for walking away from $13 million because he put "family first". The guy has already made millions of dollars and unless he is an idiot is set for life. I suspect if Laroche were some 28 year old career minor leaguer trying to make the club as a rookie and were told his kid shouldn't come to the club house so often young Drake would have been sent packing back to mama in a heartbeat.
I'd have more respect for him if he were honest and said "you know I sucked so bad last year I really stole millions from the White Sox while giving them nothing in return and can't stand the idea of doing that again so I'm quitting"
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Erik Johnson sent down. ...
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Erik Johnson sent down. ...
He has not looked good this spring. Hope Latos and Danks can be serviceable enough.
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Johnson is quite the mental midget.
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Latos didn't look bad today for 3 innings, but they lit him up for 5 runs in the 4th and 5th. He couldn't finish the 5th. Latos has been in competition this spring with minor leaguers. Today was his first outing against major league hitters.
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BUEHRLE! BUEHRLE! BUEHRLE!
we also have an extra 13 mill to spend...
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...assuming the Sox filed LaRoche's retirement paperwork with the league....
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My sources in St. Charles, MO tell me that Buehrle began working out a week ago today (coincidence?) with an eye on making a late-April White Sox comeback. MB thinks it would be crass to be paid $13 million, so he's taking $12.5, with part of the deal being that his pit bulls get their own clubhouse lockers (complete with little doggie uni's) and two "walkies" a day courtesy of Roger Bossard.
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....and free paid home schooling for the dogs too.
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My sources in St. Charles, MO tell me that Buehrle began working out a week ago today (coincidence?) with an eye on making a late-April White Sox comeback. MB thinks it would be crass to be paid $13 million, so he's taking $12.5, with part of the deal being that his pit bulls get their own clubhouse lockers (complete with little doggie uni's) and two "walkies" a day courtesy of Roger Bossard.
Heh
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Adam LaRoach, imagine what Abreu was thinking during your stand
From MLB.com
By Jose Abreu / MLB.com | 4:50 PM ET
I remember my dream of becoming a professional MLB player, to represent my people and to help those I love through this game. Being born in a country where baseball is the national pastime gave me the foundation to become the person and the player I am today.
At 26 years of age, I made a decision to leave my Cuba.
Not knowing what the outcome would be, I, along with a few members of my family, floated away in a small cramped boat for more than 12 hours before reaching Haiti. The waters were rough, the night was scary, and the sun was unforgiving.
I remember looking back as we drifted away, leaving behind my life, my family, my friends, and my 2-year-old son. I could feel my heart pounding harder and harder as we got further away. I knew that even if I made it to my destination safely, I didn't know if I would be able to ever return.
It was the hardest decision I have had to make but it was exactly what needed to happen. I couldn't have imagined how blessed my life was going to be after I left; how my dream of becoming a professional player in the Major Leagues would become a reality, as well as becoming a symbol of pride for my people.
Yet, I lived not knowing if or when I would be able to see my family or be able to go back.
I was so blessed to return to my homeland last year as part of the Baseball Goodwill Tour thanks to the efforts of Major League Baseball, the MLB Players Association, President Obama and the Cuban government.
That empty dark part of my heart was suddenly filled with joy and great appreciation. I treasured every minute I spent with my family, the future heroes of the game, and the beautiful faces of my fans in Cuba. I cried tears of happiness while holding my son and left happy knowing that soon we'll be able to play baseball without boundaries. And thank God, that's exactly how all of my dreams are coming true.
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/3/24/11296838/notes-from-the-back-of-the-white-sox-roster
Navarro notified Danks that he's been tipping his pitches. Danks made adjustments, and now Danks is pitching better.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-underrated-jose-quintana-white-sox-spt-0324-20160323-story.html
For Loveland....
Ventura calls Quintana one of the top 5 underrated players in all of baseball.
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/3/24/11296838/notes-from-the-back-of-the-white-sox-roster
Navarro notified Danks that he's been tipping his pitches. Danks made adjustments, and now Danks is pitching better.
Tyler never noticed eh? What do ya think of that Sale?
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http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/3/24/11296838/notes-from-the-back-of-the-white-sox-roster
Navarro notified Danks that he's been tipping his pitches. Danks made adjustments, and now Danks is pitching better.
Tyler never noticed eh? What do ya think of that Sale?
Much more troubling is the "great" Don Cooper & bullpen coach Bobby Thigpen never noticed.
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Surprisingly well put:
http://www.chicagonow.com/soxnet/2016/03/making-sense-of-the-adam-laroche-situation/
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Surprisingly well put:
http://www.chicagonow.com/soxnet/2016/03/making-sense-of-the-adam-laroche-situation/
Nice, thanks
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Today's cuts: Matt Davidson, Leury Garcia, Carlos Sanchez, Tommy Kahnle, Jason Coats.
Among those still in camp but on the roster bubble are first basemen Travis Ishikawa and Jerry Sands, outfielders J.B. Shuck and Jacob May, pitchers Scott Carroll, Jacob Turner and Phillippe Aumont and catcher Hector Sanchez.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-carlos-sanchez-matt-davidson-white-sox-cuts-20160329-story.html
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Today's cuts: Matt Davidson, Leury Garcia, Carlos Sanchez, Tommy Kahnle, Jason Coats.
Among those still in camp but on the roster bubble are first basemen Travis Ishikawa and Jerry Sands, outfielders J.B. Shuck and Jacob May, pitchers Scott Carroll, Jacob Turner and Phillippe Aumont and catcher Hector Sanchez.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-carlos-sanchez-matt-davidson-white-sox-cuts-20160329-story.html
Trib article claims two roster spots left. Cross off Hector Sanchez as I don't expect the White Sox to carry three catchers. Figure 13 hitters/12 pitchers break camp. Hitters are: Abreu, Lawrie, Frazier, Saladino, Rollins, Jackson, Eaton, Milky, Avisail, Navarro, Avila. That is eleven so it leaves two open spots. I'm guessing J.B. Shuck and Travis Ishikawa make the 25-man roster. Shuck is good defensively and proved he could hit off the bench last year and Ishikawa over Sands since Travis is a lefty and has considerable more experience as a first baseman to backup Abreu.
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I thought I read one of the beat writers say that Shuck has already made the team.
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Shucks, I hope so, nice pinch hitter
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J.B. "what the" Shuck
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I kind of figured Ishikawa would get the last spot, given that he is a lefty. And, as Ang pointed out, he is a "legit" 1b back up, although I think any infielder could play 1B.
Sands has to clear waivers to go to AAA, correct?
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Yep, Ishakawa has best experience. Sands can go, he is a AAAA player.
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Chuck Garfien @ChuckGarfien 52m52 minutes ago
Robin Ventura says Jimmy Rollins will start at SS on Opening Day. Tyler Saladino get some starts this year to keep Rollins fresh.
Saw this coming. Rollins has had a great spring, though.
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according to Daryl Van Schouwen, the Sun-Times White Sox beat writer.......
Travis Ishikawa will be assigned to Charlotte with Jerry Sands making the 25-man roster. Explanation is Sands is out of options and is already on the 40-man roster while Ishikawa was signed to a minor league contract and is a non-roster invitee to spring training so he doesn't have to clear waivers.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/cuts-paint-clearer-picture-of-white-sox-roster/
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I see Q is warmed up and ready for the season.
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I see Q is warmed up and ready for the season.
Just getting the bad ones out of his system
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I bet statistically speaking he will have a great season again this year.
I bet when we are 2.5 games out on august 1st against the division leader he will give up 9ER in 2.1ip. We wont recover.
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right and on August 2nd Love will prove her point once again.
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Shes more into first week trends... look for her to make the move within the next 2 weeks.
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Any interest in adding this guy as the 25th man instead of Ishikawa or Sands if he's released?
http://tinyurl.com/BackupFirstBaseman
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Think we'd need more power from a back up 1bman than Loney provides.
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White Sox “aggressively pursuing” Miguel Gonzalez:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/white-sox-as-marlins-blue-jays-interested-in-miguel-gonzalez.html
Hairston, Lombardozzi, Cleto – They Gone:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/minor-mlb-transactions-33116.html
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Sands chosen over Ishikawa for the 25th spot on the opening day roster:
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-notes-danks-shifting-batting-order-avi-garcia/
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"Today's Game - 2016" topic now open.
This topic will be locked on Sunday April 3rd at approximately 11:50PM and will re-open again in February 2017.
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this topic is now re-opened
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Strange to go into a season with the motto "We wanna suck".
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They'll probably have 80 wins.
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Is Charley Tilson the new Carlos Quentin?
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/tilson-out-10-days-with-stress-reaction-in-right-foot/
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He's got a bum foot; I can relate. That puppy probably will probably "dog" him the rest of his athletic career. Who's next?
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White Sox notes: Avisail Garcia, Geo and Gio, Moncada
http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/white-sox-notes-avisail-garcia-geo-and-gio-moncada/
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wins this season probably will be very few so no need to waste them on a spring training game.
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get the wins out of the way now, as JJ used to say.... let be comically bad this year... who is our competition for #1 pick?
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#Beer
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Fuzzy photo. Pretty sure it shows the Sox winning. Didn't we battle the World Champions to a tie yesterday
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the above photo shows the Mariners beat the White Sox 8-1 in Glendale.
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Can't edit to purple 3 days later huh....
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Heh
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Roughly four weeks until opening day... cool.
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Hey, we are only a game out of first place:
http://www.espn.com/mlb/standings/_/seasontype/pre
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tweet from Scott Merkin:
White Sox optioned RHP Chris Beck, RHP Tyler Danish, OF Willy Garcia, RHP Brad Goldberg and LHP Giovanni Soto to Triple-A Charlotte....
White Sox optioned C Alfredo Gonzalez to Double-A Birmingham. Reassigned LHP Aaron Bummer and RHP Blake Smith to Minor League camp.
https://twitter.com/scottmerkin
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word I hear from Arizona is Giolito doesn't throw hard - 90-92. No where near advertised.
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You'd think that would be verified / cross-checked via scouting. Dead arm, maybe?
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It was pretty well known before the trade...
The word was that he had mechanical issues that we could fix... the reality is that he was overthrowing before TJ and has never regained the velocity he had before TJ.
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Kopech = BP arm; Giolitto = bust. Lopez = BP arm.
Basabe and moncada are our hopes from those 2 trades... and i dont think moncada will deal with major league breaking pitches on a regular basis.
We went for high cieling athetic players like we always do. When will we learn to go after ball players instead?
If boston didnt want to give up andrew benitiendi... they shouldnt have gotten chris sale.
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For the love of God, stick Danny Hayes in the OF and release Avisail Garcia already....
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this topic now closed. It will re-open in early February 2018.
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For the love of God, stick Danny Hayes in the OF and release Avisail Garcia already....
love reading old quotes, LOL!
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Not sure I'm wrong. Avi had a BABIP-generated career year. Even other Execs know that, which is why no one is offering anything for him.
On the other hand, when healthy, Hayes has been a .380 OBP, .840 OPS guy. Consistently.
I'll be happy to be proven wrong about Avi, I just don't think I am...
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Avi was good sll year. Might be a career year but he will continue to hit
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Worth a watch:
http://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/video/micd-white-sox-camp-don-cooper
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White Sox @ Dodgers today at 2:00PM (Central)
WS radio broadcast on WGN.
No WS TV but Dodgers TV on mlb.tv.
Here's the link to TV: https://www.mlb.com/tv/g533795/v327b4d45-6b9d-4a32-a71f-3fc4bb4d73f8#game=533795,tfs=20180223_200500,game_state=preview
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Uh oh:
Micker Adolfo strained elbow ligaments, sidelined indefinitely. Undergoing MRI to determine extent of tear.
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-dodgers/2018/02/23/533795#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=533795
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Ugly, ugly game. I ended up turning it off as the 10th Dodger run crossed the plate in the 4th. I turned it back on in the 9th to get a screen grab of the final to post here. One positive of this game was Charlie Tilson getting some playing time and getting a hit. Hopefully he didn't hurt himself. ;D
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If spring training results mattered, Jordan Danks would be in the Hall of Fame.
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Borchard too
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White Sox @ Mariners today at 2:00pm (Central)
Radio and TV broadcasts are Mariners feed, No WGN.
Link to mlb.tv video: https://www.mlb.com/tv/g533809/v857ce2ea-e890-4df5-836a-88faff766905#game=533809,tfs=20180224_201000,game_state=live
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Game about to start. Gordon Beckham in the starting lineup at second base for the Mariners. Charlie Tilson in CF for the White Sox.
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-mariners/2018/02/24/533809#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=533809
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-white-sox/2018/02/25/533826#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=533826
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A's @ White Sox today at 2:05PM (Central)
Michael Kopech on the bump.
No WS radio broadcast.
WS TV is a web exclusive at whitesox.com
Here's the link to TV: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/athletics-at-white-sox/c-1874979183
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Jake Burger injured in the bottom of the 3rd inning running out a groundball. Looks like he caught a spike and went down about 25 feet short of 1st. Don't know the extent of his injury but he was helped to his feet and carted out.
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-jake-burger-exits-with-injury/c-267303650
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left achilles tendon injury for Burger: https://twitter.com/richardjustice/status/968238626059337728
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/968239160510345216
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What a drag
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/athletics-vs-white-sox/2018/02/26/533847#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=533847
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Not a good Burger and Fry day.
Fry gave up 4 in the 9th before Danish got the 1 out save.
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coming back from surgery on the Achilles is a real ****. Pray he doesn't need it.
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Not a good Burger and Fry day.
Fry gave up 4 in the 9th before Danish got the 1 out save.
Well, after a burger and fry, why not have a danish?
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/02/jake-burger-diagnosed-with-ruptured-achilles.html
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White Sox @ Cubs today at 2:05PM (Central)
Carson Fulmer on the bump.
WS radio broadcast on WGN-AM.
TV is on WGN. Unfortunately it's a CNLBC broadcast team.
Here's the link to TV: https://www.mlb.com/tv/g533858/vdf450a44-5b05-4135-abb9-b07d9b1a9c69#game=533858,tfs=20180227_200500,game_state=preview
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https://twitter.com/Burgatron13/status/968531668628680704
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Link to video webcast of today's game: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/rangers-at-white-sox/c-1874979283
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First Gio start.... i hope he does well.
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rangers-vs-white-sox/2018/02/28/533880#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=533880
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Jon Heyman
Scouts are absolutely raving about chisox prospect Luis Robert. That team has more 4-star prospects than anyone. (Yanks, padres, braves just behind)
Nice
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He has a chance to be special.
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Link to video webcast of today's game: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/brewers-at-white-sox/c-1874979583
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/brewers-vs-white-sox/2018/03/06/533967#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=533967
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Hector Santiago, Rob Scahill & Jeanmar Gomez are the 3 non roster invitees who should make the team - Santiago should be the 5th starter (**** Fulmer, let's see if he can get his ERA under 5 at AAA) & Gomez & Scahill seem to be decent relievers who can be flipped mid season.
Unfortunately the 40 roster is at 39. What to do?
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Hector Santiago, Rob Scahill & Jeanmar Gomez are the 3 non roster invitees who should make the team - Santiago should be the 5th starter (**** Fulmer, let's see if he can get his ERA under 5 at AAA) & Gomez & Scahill seem to be decent relievers who can be flipped mid season.
Unfortunately the 40 roster is at 39. What to do?
Carlos Rodon will probably start the season on the 60-day DL which will open up one spot on the 40-man roster. Gregory Infante hasn't made an appearance in a ST game so he's likely to be dropped from the 40-man roster so there are the 3 spots you're looking for.
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What is wrong with Infante? I thought he had a good year last year, is it an elbow or shoulder?
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What is wrong with Infante? I thought he had a good year last year, is it an elbow or shoulder?
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White Sox's Gregory Infante: Dealing with injury
https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/white-soxs-gregory-infante-dealing-with-injury/
from: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-michael-kopech-escapes-jams-notes-20180303-story.html
Easing back in: Reliever Gregory Infante has been slowed by shoulder inflammation but should throw a bullpen session Sunday or Monday.
The right-hander appeared in 52 games with the Sox last season and is in the mix to secure a spot in the rebuilt bullpen. Manager Rick Renteria said it is “too early” to determine whether Infante will be ready for opening day March 29 in Kansas City.
“If we can get him to go full tilt and get him some work on the side and maybe on the back fields to see where he’s at, there’s no reason to believe he can’t work himself back,” Renteria said.
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Link to video webcast of today's game: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/reds-at-white-sox/c-1874979683
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-white-sox/2018/03/07/533980#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=533980
Luis Robert's GW grand slam: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/971548350016303104
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Infante looks like he'll get a DL stint followed by a rehab, but I doubt he'll be cut, can't designate for assignment a guy on DL.
Rodon could be put on 60 DL, hard to believe minor surgery will keep him out for a whole year - still think the Sox aren't telling the truth about Rodon
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Nate Jones has been good thus far.
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today's split squad games:
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link to web video of this game: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/royals-at-white-sox/c-1874979883
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link to web audio of this game: https://www.mlb.com/rangers/live-stream-games/2018/03/08
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No chance of a repeat of an "all Garcia outfield" this year as Willy Garcia was released. This move also opens up a spot on the 40-man roster.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/972158944826159104
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Does Ryan Cordell have a real shot of making the team now?
Jordan Stephens pitched well, if they move him to the pen & he stays healthy I think he'll be a valuable asset. In today's game starters tend to be the big horses, the "smaller" guys like Stephens pick up some velocity working only as relievers.
Why has Leury Garcia been playing so much at ss and not in center? I want him to start in center - if not him then Cordell.
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Luis Robert injured. Expected to be out for 2+ months:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/972502742240514049
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White Sox injury list:
https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/972515533995126785
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White Sox outfielder Nicky Delmonico suffers partial shoulder separation
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-notes-20180311-story.html
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another day, another injury
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Thanks again, Theo:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/972958936319037444
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I loved Quintana but Eloy looks like a future superstar. I can't remember ever being more excited about a White Sox prospect of this caliber. If both he and Robert hit their potential, look out!!
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Cease so far 1ip 7 pitches 7 strikes. 2 ks.
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I was at Camelback this past weekend. I've now seen Eloy in three games counting last year at a Winston Salem game, and he homered in all three games. It was particularly sweet against the Cubs at Sloan Park with a loud and boisterous crowd that suddenly groaned. ;D
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I was at Camelback this past weekend. I've now seen Eloy in three games counting last year at a Winston Salem game, and he homered in all three games. It was particularly sweet against the Cubs at Sloan Park with a loud and boisterous crowd that suddenly groaned. ;D
Sounds like someone's pining for season tickets....
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latest roster moves: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/973944686984466432
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Some news on Giolito
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/lets-watch-lucas-giolito-look-very-good/
When we traded for him, my real big concern was that the FB was not back, if he has resolved that issue over this offseason and is really back to 95 (hope hes back to the 95-97 range as season goes on), that could really help turn this rebuild around faster then expected.
Giolito, Kopech and Cease have all looked really good so far, and we haven't even been treated to the guy i thought would be the best Hansen.
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White Sox LF Nicky Delmonico says shoulder injury was ‘just a scare’
https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/delmonico-says-hes-ok-after-collision-in-outfield/
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Giolito, Kopech and Cease have all looked really good so far, and we haven't even been treated to the guy i thought would be the best Hansen.
And then there's Carson Fulmer. Yuck.
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the thought of Fulmer making the team is just insane.
I hope both Fry & Bummer start at AAA, the 2nd lefty in the pen should be Ross.
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Fulmer needs to go to the BP already... he can make it there and probably excel.
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most important thing for a BP guy is control, something Fulmer doesn't have.
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i think he can command 2 pitches well... i think his real problem is getting through the order more then once...
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well, this spring he hasn't been able to get thru the order once.
he was horrific at AAA last year, it wasn't a fluke. If you think he should be moved to the pen try it at AAA.
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I do, and if i was incharge he'd been there a year ago. I hope the sox move him to the BP now.
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I do, and if i was incharge he'd been there a year ago. I hope the sox move him to the BP now.
Honestly, I do not think he is a big league pitcher, at either starter or pen.
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I think he will eventually figure it out. He has a big league arm, but he has bad mechanics. I'd send him down and give him a couple of months as a starter, and if he still sucks, then move him to reliever.
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He was reallly good his last few starts last season
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Lopez needs to go to the BP too. We need to identify guys who will not be good starters and convert them to the BP. The arbitrage in actual value vs trade value for good BP arms is so great... it should be exploited all through the rebuild.
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Way too early to put Lopez in the bullpen. I still think he projects to a top of the rotation starter.
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I don't see top of rotation, but he's a serviceable #3/4.
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Turn him into a sure fire bullpen arm now!
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Turn him into a sure fire bullpen arm now!
You are nuts.
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Turn him into a sure fire bullpen arm now!
You are nuts.
I'm really not... He can be our Andrew Miller... that has a lot of value in today's game. All the souting reports doubted his ability to start... He still has no legit 3rd pitch. move him to the BP now and max value.
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Aside from "the guy pitching the ninth inning of a spring training blow out", who is Robbie Ross Jr?
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Ross is a lefty reliever who has pitched decently for Texas & Boston, hurt most of last year. kinda short at 5'11
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/977229127731302401
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link to web videocast of the game: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/mariners-at-white-sox/c-1874980583?partnerId=sf86243119&sf86243119=1
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link to web videocast of the game: https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/white-sox-at-dodgers/c-1874980683
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White Sox Spring Training 2018 has concluded. I'll leave this thread open until Saturday then it'll be locked until early February 2019.
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/luis-alexander-basabe-will-have-hand-surgery/c-304171440
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So, anyone planning on coming out to AZ this spring?? Boat is officially an AZ resident.😎
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Yay!!! Boat is in the house!!!
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The White Sox lost two split-squad games on Saturday. A 6-5 loss to the A's and a 7-6 loss to the Dodgers.
Good to see they're already in mid-season form.
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Bernardo Flores = my guy
He's bringing it today!👍
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Aaron Bummer sucks. That is all.
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Boat!
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Drink!
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So, anyone planning on coming out to AZ this spring?? Boat is officially an AZ resident.😎
Maybe now I might think about it. I am so tired of the snow. Most I have seen in my life I believe. About 30 inches just last week. Piled so high everywhere you cannot see anything. Oh well, my choice to be here so I have to take it. 35 years in Minny and this is the worst winter for snow and cold. The norm is definitely something I can take.
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Jimmy Lambert loads the bases in first but gets out of jam.
We need someone like Lambert to step up this year.
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Our left handed relief pitchers have really been putrid so far.
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I see Ian Clarkin is pitching for the cubs. I missed the last waiver claim.
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Merkin thinks Carson Fulmer makes the 25 roster. Hard to believe anyone could think that, tho we do have front office idiots.
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Isn't he out of options?
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no, still one left.
I don't think it will matter that the Sox threw away an option on him, he ain't making it.
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Fulmer blows. Can't even mop up the Rangers in garbage time.👎
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https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/c-2523327683?partnerId=sf99740233&sf99740233=1[/img]
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Rodon named Opening Day starter.
Fulmer & Bummer sent to AAA.
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Dunning going to meet Tommy John
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https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/white-sox-add-alcides-escobar-minor-league-deal-release-brandon-guyer
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1109121956236935169
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Brandon is back...
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/white-sox-re-sign-brandon-guyer.html
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topic now locked. Will re-open in February 2020.
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topic now open for Spring Training 2020
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https://twitter.com/camelbackranch/status/1231264236300406784
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White Sox 7, Reds 2
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-reds/2020/02/23/604346#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604346
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Fulmer - 1 inning 3 walks.
nothing has changed.
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White Sox 2, Dodgers 2
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-dodgers/2020/02/24/605022#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=605022
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Fulmer - 1 inning 3 walks.
nothing has changed.
I have gone back and forth several times on this dude, wanting to keep him and then wanting to release him. He just cannot throw enough strikes. He will be a good reliever some day when he gets command, if that ever happens. We cannot wait for it. I like several others over him, Ruiz and Cordero to name 2 of them.
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He will never succeed. Too many opps
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Fulmer - 1 inning 3 walks.
nothing has changed.
I have gone back and forth several times on this dude, wanting to keep him and then wanting to release him. He just cannot throw enough strikes. He will be a good reliever some day when he gets command, if that ever happens. We cannot wait for it. I like several others over him, Ruiz and Cordero to name 2 of them.
Maybe not Ruiz, heh
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White Sox 6, Mariners 5
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/mariners-vs-white-sox/2020/02/27/604252#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604252
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1233174476562534400
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link to the live stream of the game:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/cle-indians-vs-chi-white-sox
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White Sox 8, Injuns 3
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/indians-vs-white-sox/2020/02/28/604253#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604253
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1233519595543236610
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my guy Mercedes hit a grand salami. Go Yermin.
Palka still has not regained his 2018 form.
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So who's buying into Yermin-Mania? I know his defense is sub-standard (except his arm), but is he forcing Sox Brass to trade McCann? Or is this just a bunch of spring training smoke from a 27 year old career minor leaguer?
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So who's buying into Yermin-Mania? I know his defense is sub-standard (except his arm), but is he forcing Sox Brass to trade McCann? Or is this just a bunch of spring training smoke from a 27 year old career minor leaguer?
The kid can hit, all I have ever heard was his defense was poor. Be 26th man and pinch hit at times? I would rather keep McCann, even have heard Zavala mentioned as backup, yuk.
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Yeah, I think I'd like to hold onto McCann as well... nothing wrong with great depth. Just say no to Zavala. Yermin could be a DH option if EE gets hurt.
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Yeah, I think I'd like to hold onto McCann as well... nothing wrong with great depth. Just say no to Zavala. Yermin could be a DH option if EE gets hurt.
Agreed.
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Yermin fits perfectly as 26th guy on roster - C, 1B, DH. Hitting is way more important than defense for your 26th roster spot.
no one has suggested he relace McCann.
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All Yermin, all the time. Garfien agrees with me. Perfect 26th man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCu_zmBDg8M
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Agree with Bill!
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Yermin fits perfectly as 26th guy on roster - C, 1B, DH. Hitting is way more important than defense for your 26th roster spot.
no one has suggested he relace McCann.
I do not think Collins or Zavala can replace McCann. Those are the two that worry me when folks say trade McCann for a prospect or a reliever.
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link to the live stream of the game:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/live-sd-padres-vs-chi-white-sox
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Padres 3, White Sox 1
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/padres-vs-white-sox/2020/03/02/604254#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604254
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As @ White Sox
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link to the live stream of the game:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/oak-athletics-vs-chi-white-sox
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A's 6, White Sox 5
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/athletics-vs-white-sox/2020/03/03/604255#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604255
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White Sox 5, BrewCrew 1
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-brewers/2020/03/04/605219#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=605219
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Roxkies @ White Sox
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link to the live stream of the game:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/col-rockies-vs-chi-white-sox
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White Sox 7, Rockies 6
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rockies-vs-white-sox/2020/03/05/604256#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604256
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White Sox @ the Nort'siders
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White Sox 6, Nort'siders 3
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-cubs/2020/03/06/604160#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604160
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Royals @ White Sox
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link to the FREE live stream of the game:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/kc-royals-vs-chi-white-sox
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White Sox @ Padres
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link to the live stream of the game. you must be suscribed to mlb.tv to view:
https://www.mlb.com/tv/g605900/vff246f7a-dfd0-467e-beb7-2fef3594f85d
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White Sox 5, Royals 4
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/royals-vs-white-sox/2020/03/08/604257#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604257
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White Sox 6, Padres 0
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-padres/2020/03/08/605900#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=605900
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Jacob Lindgren could be ready for a return to the majors this year.
Yermin with another HR.
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Reds @ White Sox
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link to the FREE live stream of the game:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/cin-reds-vs-chi-white-sox
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White Sox 3, Reds 3
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-white-sox/2020/03/09/604258#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604258
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1237156873507180544
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Rangers @ White Sox
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link to the FREE live stream of the game:
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/live-tex-rangers-vs-chi-white-sox
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Rangers 9, White Sox 2
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rangers-vs-white-sox/2020/03/10/604259#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=604259
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White Sox @ Rockies
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I see Mercedes & Zack Collins were optioned to AAA.
Who's the 26th roster guy then?
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Cheslor Cuthpert I will bet. Maybe Delmonico.
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I'm guessing it will be a rotating cast of characters, probably based on need.
Whenever I see the name Cheslor Cuthpert, I always think of Elisha Cuthbert.
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Cheslor Cuthpert I will bet. Maybe Delmonico.
Probably neither of these two since they're currently not on the 40-man roster. Plus there is no open spot on the 40-man roster.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/roster/40-man
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/roster
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joey c?
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joey c?
I don't think so. Probably just a bot or a spammer as (s)he joined, made a post within a few minutes of joining and hasn't returned to the site since.
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What Andy said.... I had nothing to do with that.
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Gotcha. Anyhoo, nice to see ya, JC.
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Gotcha. Anyhoo, nice to see ya, JC.
Hosanna, Heysanna, Sanna Sanna
Hosanna Heysanna Hosanna
Hey J.C., J.C,
Won't you smile at me
Sanna Hey Superstar
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See what 12 years of parochial school got me. Jeesh.
Our entire high school got to go across the avenue to the theater, likely one class at a time, I think each class was 200 or so. Was actually a pretty cool movie with all the tunage. Plus an afternoon out of school and then listen to the nuns talking about it for the next month in class.
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Let the sunshine in
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Let the sunshine in
We just saw a movie with Dennis Hopper and Kiefer Sutherland, "Flashback", this fits right in with that.
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The #WhiteSox have announced the following 44-man roster for the club’s 2020 Summer Camp, which is scheduled to begin Friday, July 3, at Guaranteed Rate Field.
The White Sox will announce additional players who will be invited to join the taxi squad in the near future.
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1277617956109930502
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I took the liberty of unlocking this topic, so I could post this:
https://whitesoxpride.mlblogs.com/white-sox-announce-2021-spring-training-broadcast-schedule-8e41001903c3
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you beat me to it as I was planning to unlock this thread tonight as pitchers & catchers are scheduled to report starting tomorrow.
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Heh, I was able to figure out how to unlock a thread, but couldn't figure out how to re-name it.
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Heh, I was able to figure out how to unlock a thread, but couldn't figure out how to re-name it.
to re-name a thread you go to the very first post of the thread and modify it.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1362054263627743232
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https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/1362112292922482689
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was hoping to see the Sox sign a Ryan LaMarre type of AAAA player. These guys can help a team during the long grind of a season.
OF Nick Williams is the closest to that type of player. His Wikipedia page seems to indicate he's a bit of a head case, getting benched repeatedly in the minors for not hustling & refusing to take responsibility. Also supposedly is really bad defensively.
But he's flashed talent hitting & is a left handed bat & has MLB experience.
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was hoping to see the Sox sign a Ryan LaMarre type of AAAA player. These guys can help a team during the long grind of a season.
OF Nick Williams is the closest to that type of player. His Wikipedia page seems to indicate he's a bit of a head case, getting benched repeatedly in the minors for not hustling & refusing to take responsibility. Also supposedly is really bad defensively.
But he's flashed talent hitting & is a left handed bat & has MLB experience.
Tim Beckham is in AAA, he is a type that could help at some point if injuries occur.
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dunno, Beckham (31) was caught juicing Aug 6, 2019 & suspended for 80 games. No one signed him to a minor league deal last yr so he's been out of baseball for a while.
A good AAAA player is between 27 & 31, a seasoned vet - tons of pro ball games played and a demonstrated consistent playing level. A Ross Gload type. LaMarre hit .303 for the Sox in 2018. Something Beckham has no chance doing.
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This spring training I'm going to really want to see a good chance given to three players. These are Micker Adolpho, Gavin Sheets, and my living legend hope, Mercedes. The way I see it, this spring training and 2021 season is their CHANCE to make a major league ball club somewhere by their showing.
Needless to say, right field pencils out to be a big hole in the line-up for the White Sox offensively as far as I am concerned and I hope that Adolpho and Sheets take it as their great OPPORTUNITY to take advantage of this weakness as it is there for the taking. Adolpho is a physical specimen who has had some bad injuries along the line and he has failed to impress thus far. Well, life isn't fair in baseball and his time table is about up to prove himself. He needs to hit but again, the guy in front of him that is penciled in is maybe the weakest starting right fielder in the AL for any team.
As for Gavin Sheets, I think that he will hit and hit with power from what I have seen. He also has an advantage hitting from the left side. Whether he can play right field is the question. IF he can, which is a big IF, he may be the future left handed bat in right field for the Sox.
Mercedes? Are you kidding me? This guy can be a legend in Chicago. I'd love to be his agent:)!!! Just pencil him in at least as the right handed DH for starters and let him mash. WHen he makes the team, buy him the biggest baddest Mercedes available for him to cruise Chi town in. The guy just has the gift of easy power and ability to see pitches early. I love the guy:)
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Abreu to report late after positive COVID test
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jose-abreu-tests-positive-for-covid-19
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Chicago White Sox: There are a few new faces in the White Sox clubhouse this spring -- Lance Lynn and Liam Hendriks (and a returner in Adam Eaton) -- but a focus in camp still will be on the system’s top prospects, namely the big four. Nick Madrigal has the most Major League experience of the group and is slated to move back into his spot at second base, though he might have to wait until next month to get going as he recovers from offseason shoulder surgery. Michael Kopech has his eyes on a return to the Majors, where he last pitched in 2018, following Tommy John surgery and an opt-out from last year’s campaign. Garrett Crochet is very much in the bullpen mix after jumping to the Majors in his Draft year. The prospect who might be most closely watched, however, is top talent Andrew Vaughn. It’s no secret Chicago has an opening at DH, and while Vaughn played multiple positions at last year’s alternate site to get out of Jose Abreu’s shadow, he would slot in that lineup spot quite nicely given his plus combination of hit and power tools. Manager Tony La Russa joked that Vaughn is in No. 1 position to be the club’s DH, adding he’s tied with many others for that claim. Expect all four to get plenty of Cactus League work as they attempt solidify their places with the American League Central contenders.
https://www.milb.com/news/toolshed-spring-training-camps-to-watch
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Vaughn hit .253 at Low-A & .252 at high-A in his one and only minor league season. Color me skeptical that he's ready to jump all the way to the majors right now.
Ditto on Kopech making the roster after missing 2 complete years.
How about Jake Burger? He hasn't played in a pro game in 3 years! He's our 2021 DH candidate!
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Vaughn hit .253 at Low-A & .252 at high-A in his one and only minor league season. Color me skeptical that he's ready to jump all the way to the majors right now.
Ditto on Kopech making the roster after missing 2 complete years.
How about Jake Burger? He hasn't played in a pro game in 3 years! He's our 2021 DH candidate!
To me, neither Kopech or Vaughn are critical to the success of this team next year. Whether either makes the major league roster or not doesn't really influence the over-all success for the team. If either or both or them make it via performance, then great, if not, they have many other bats and arms to go with this season.
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Burger calls first game in 3 years 'special'
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jake-burger-plays-first-game-in-three-years
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I don't see alot of guys out there that fit the description. You're certainly not going to find one that hits .300.
Maikel Franco and Jedd Gyorko are closest and both are RH. I suppose we could sign Yasiel Puig...
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Vaughn hit .253 at Low-A & .252 at high-A in his one and only minor league season. Color me skeptical that he's ready to jump all the way to the majors right now.
Ditto on Kopech making the roster after missing 2 complete years.
How about Jake Burger? He hasn't played in a pro game in 3 years! He's our 2021 DH candidate!
To me, neither Kopech or Vaughn are critical to the success of this team next year. Whether either makes the major league roster or not doesn't really influence the over-all success for the team. If either or both or them make it via performance, then great, if not, they have many other bats and arms to go with this season.
I agree. Vaughn has to really win the job, he has proved nothing yet. Kopech may be in the pen and if so I think he can help. Rather see him start in AAA however as a starter.
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Didn't get to see the first three innings but that sure was a nice four run rally that they had in the 4th inning. Started, of course, by my future fan favorite, Mercedes with his roped double down the left field line. The guys that followed him in that inning looked impressive stinging the ball also. Robert hit a massive blast way foul then had a nice double later in the at bat. Good stuff. The 6'8" Sox pitcher loaded the bases in the bottom of the inning with no outs, then really settled down and got the next three guys easily with a infield fly ball and two strike-outs.
It was fun and my kids ordered the ball ball package for me so I am set for the season:)
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1366847069240057858
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/gameday/rangers-vs-white-sox/2021/03/02/641540#game_state=final,game_tab=,game=641540
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Andrew Vaughn gets the seal of approval from José Abreu:
https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1366934604796542982
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Been trying to figure out the 26 man roster. Even if we assume Kopech & Jose Ruiz don't make it I still count 14 pitchers on the roster. I think this is one too many. Only 12 position players would mean the bench would be Engel, L. Garcia, Mendick & a back up catcher. No 3rd catcher & no DH.
i'm fine with Leury as DH. Engel is in a RF platoon. Gotta have a backup catcher & utility infielder.
I think 14 pitchers would be a mistake, but I don't see who you would or could send down unless Rodon beats out Lopez for the 5th starter. (can Lopez even be optioned?)
The pen of RHP Hendricks, Marshall, Foster, Heuer, Cordero & LHP Bummer, Crochet & Fry seems set.
Anyhoo, I'd like the Sox to carry only 13 pitchers so they could carry a DH or a 3rd catcher/DH (Mercedes if Collins is the backup or Mercedes/Collins if Lecroy is the backup catcher).
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Jace Fry is out until May.
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-royals/2021/03/03/642168#game_state=live,lock_state=live,game_tab=box,game=642168
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Pretty good fight going on now with Collins and Mercedes battling for a roster spot. I love this kind of story. Two different guys from two different backgrounds. One a number one draft pick and another out of a very poor country. Now they are at the moment when they've got to put it all on the line if they want to be a major league player. Both are hitting the crap out of the ball thus far. Collins had a dinger and Mercedes had two hits and two ribbies yesterday. If nothing else, I think if one of these guys gets cut(don't know where there options stand) or both for that matter, I think some team will pick them both up and they might stick for another team.
I latched onto Mercedes as soon as I saw him take BP so I am biased and would love to see him in Chicago as a DH/C. Any other year and he would be a sure thing for his bat alone but this roster is full of really good hitters. Its going to be interesting.
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It’s going to be Lucroy.
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It’s going to be Lucroy.
Roster limit is no longer 25 players. It's set at 26 and expands to 28 in September. So it's likely three catchers make the opening day roster. Grandal, Lucroy and either Collins or Mercedes. Providing their spring performances are close, I'm guessing it's Collins over Mercedes as a teams' former 1st round draft pick usually get priority over a Rule 5 draftee. Front offices bend over backwards to justify their past drafting of their #1 picks.
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Except Tony has indicated he would rather not take 3 catchers. Loveland reads and knows all about the roster expansion.
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Except Tony has indicated he would rather not take 3 catchers. Loveland reads and knows all about the roster expansion.
Heh
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Except Tony has indicated he would rather not take 3 catchers. Loveland reads and knows all about the roster expansion.
Then Tony is an idiot.
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It’s going to be Lucroy.
Could be. But I think that they will end up with three catchers even with what Tony said. I watched Mercedes through a bullet from his squat position to second base to get a runner who had a great jump. He has a GUN of an arm to do that. The throw was a bee bee such that the pitcher stood up it would have nailed him. The transfer of the ball from his glove to his hand was terrific. I hope that somebody saved that piece of film because it was textbook.
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López, Crochet dazzle in Cactus debuts
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/reynaldo-lopez-garrett-crochet-cactus-league-debuts
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Nice to see Lopez and Crochet do well and of course, my future fan favorite Mercedes drive in three with a rocket double . One thing about this guy is that he really doesn't strike out much for a power bat guy. The guy he reminds me of in that regard is Jimenez. If the pitch is in the strike zone normally, they will get a piece of it and they also will take a walk. Both these guys although they have different swing style have excellent hand eye coordination.
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Watching Giolitto yesterday brought a smile to my face. This guy is as close to a perfect form pitcher as it gets in my mind. Everything he throws is from the same hand position. His stride is totally controlled and balanced. Then he controls the spin of his pitches extremely well. Now he's developing another pitch with a slightly different spin on it.
When I see Giolitto, I think about the other young pitchers that the Sox have. To me, he is basically a lesson plan for them. Looking at Lopez pitch a couple of days ago, it look based on his short stint, that he is shortening his delivery and is controlling his lower half a lot better than he did in the last couple of years. IF he can continue to do this, he may be a pleasant surprise because all of his pitches move.
I guess Cease is going to throw today. Look forward to seeing that and to see where Cease is after being coached up a bit by Katz.
Going back to Giolitto. I think that with all of the talk about signing guys to new contracts, I would love to see the Sox lock him up. He has a delivery that should be good to maintain throughout his career and should be a mainstay for the next 5-7 years. I don't see arm problems in his future. His only flaw? I would like for him to occasionally buzz the airport so to speak and not let the hitters get comfortable at the plate. But that's always been my philosophy for all pitchers ever since I was a kid:)
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I know they are gushing over Vaughn, but he needs more ABs in minors. Let him warm up in AAA.
Should carry Lucroy at least until Collins, shows he can handle backup C.
Kopech should either make roster in bullpen or go to AAA to stretch out so he can displace the inevitable failure at #5.
Preferably the latter.
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Is it too early to call Burdi a complete bust? He's gotten pounded every time he's gone out & he's developed control problems now.
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Is it too early to call Burdi a complete bust? He's gotten pounded every time he's gone out & he's developed control problems now.
Yep, I do not think he will ever have success. Ball is just too flat, does not matter how hard you throw and not having command just makes it worse.
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Injury really set him back.
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Injury really set him back.
....and also set back his older brother Nick. It's a shame as they are both livelong White Sox fans and grads of Downers Grove South HS.
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Another roped double and RBI by Mercedes and he hit one against the wind to the track in left center in his first AB. I now believe that he will stick He doesn't strike out and loves to hit with men on base. I also think that Vaughn has won a spot on the roster when camp breaks. He is very balanced and will take a pitch to right field when he needs to. As I see it, LaRussa will give Abreu 3/4 of the action at 1b with Vaughn getting 1/4 and have Grandal get 2/3 of the catching while Vaughn getting 1/4 of the DH and Mercedes getting 1/2 with the remainder split between Grandal and Abreu.
Looking back at last season, I believe if Mercedes took EE's place in the Sox line-up that he would have had stats similar to Jimenez except for the BA. His power and RBI numbers are for real. He has an amazing ability to see the end point of the pitch and still make adjustments to always get a piece of the ball at the last minute.
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It will be interesting to see. He has continued to hit in ST, so I like that he may get a shot. Better than trading prospects for some guy who might or might not contribute. I always love to see the kids get their chance. Mercedes has plenty of ABs in minors, Vaughn not so much. But if LaRussa wants em, I can't argue with him.
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It will be interesting to see. He has continued to hit in ST, so I like that he may get a shot. Better than trading prospects for some guy who might or might not contribute. I always love to see the kids get their chance. Mercedes has plenty of ABs in minors, Vaughn not so much. But if LaRussa wants em, I can't argue with him.
I agree. The thing about Vaughn is that he really looks comfortable at the plate. Very balanced. He also has a pretty simple swing with a lot of power. Don't know yet about his power to the opposite field but he showed me the ability to take a pitch to right field if they shift on him which is good. That is one of the great aspects of Abreu at the plate and it keeps the defense honest. Too bad more hitters don't do this because the GOs occur by the dozens when player hit hard hit balls right at the guy playing in short right field(lefties) or try to pull everything to the left side(righties).
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With Grandal still not playing in ST games, I'm pretty sure Lucroy will make the Opening Day 26-man roster. Larussa will want to break camp with a catcher with significant MLB experience. Provided he continues his good spring, Yermin has two big things going for his making the Opening Day roster over Vaughn. One is Yermin is already on the 40-man roster and Vaughn is not. So no one needs to be dropped from the 40-man if Mercedes is on the 26-man roster. Case two is Service Time. Delaying Vaughn's promotion for 40 days or so means his eligibility for both salary arbitration and free agency are pushed back a year. That's providing no significant changes to those systems are made in the next CBA.
Edited to add: Lucroy is a non-roster invitee so one spot on the 40-man will needed to be cleared for him. If Vaughn makes it too, two spots need to be cleared.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1369741583944359940
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With Grandal still not playing in ST games, I'm pretty sure Lucroy will make the Opening Day 26-man roster. Larussa will want to break camp with a catcher with significant MLB experience. Provided he continues his good spring, Yermin has two big things going for his making the Opening Day roster over Vaughn. One is Yermin is already on the 40-man roster and Vaughn is not. So no one needs to be dropped from the 40-man if Mercedes is on the 26-man roster. Case two is Service Time. Delaying Vaughn's promotion for 40 days or so means his eligibility for both salary arbitration and free agency are pushed back a year. That's providing no significant changes to those systems are made in the next CBA.
Edited to add: Lucroy is a non-roster invitee so one spot on the 40-man will needed to be cleared for him. If Vaughn makes it too, two spots need to be cleared.
I don't see the positives regarding Lucroy at all. He's a creaky 34 year old catcher. Didn't play in 2020 and hasn't hit worth a lick since 2016. He wa signed to a minor league contract so yeah, if they want some defensive "insurance" if Grandal goes down, then by all means bring him up then. But no way should he make this roster ahead of Mercedes or Collins. Mercedes is a beast with his bat and Collins has shown he can hit. Coach them to be better defensively. But making Lucroy some kind of dependable fill-in as a starter for Grandal is questionable reasoning.
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https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1369741583944359940
Thanks for sending that, Andy. Katz is clearly a hands on coach and I loved the portion of the video where they talked about bringing Lopez' curveball back which they said was his best pitch when he was in the Nats organization. I also was watching his over-all pitching motion and it appears to be much more balanced than it has been in previous years. Still can't wait to see what Cease looks like when he pitches.
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With Grandal still not playing in ST games, I'm pretty sure Lucroy will make the Opening Day 26-man roster. Larussa will want to break camp with a catcher with significant MLB experience. Provided he continues his good spring, Yermin has two big things going for his making the Opening Day roster over Vaughn. One is Yermin is already on the 40-man roster and Vaughn is not. So no one needs to be dropped from the 40-man if Mercedes is on the 26-man roster. Case two is Service Time. Delaying Vaughn's promotion for 40 days or so means his eligibility for both salary arbitration and free agency are pushed back a year. That's providing no significant changes to those systems are made in the next CBA.
Edited to add: Lucroy is a non-roster invitee so one spot on the 40-man will needed to be cleared for him. If Vaughn makes it too, two spots need to be cleared.
The Sox have demonstrated not a lot of sense in there roster/option moves.
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THought you guys would be interested in this tidbit I saw today. Apparently Patrick Mahomes was a lot more than a high school football player. He was also all state in basketball and this:) And while Texas is known a lot for their high school football, I can tell you with personal experience that their baseball is excellent also:)
Mahomes tosses no-hitter, outduels Kopech
By Chris Parry, cparry@tylerpaper.com Mar 11, 2014 Updated Jan 30, 2020 Comments
WHITEHOUSE — As Patrick Mahomes strode to the mound to begin his warm-up tosses for the seventh inning, Cake's "He's going the distance" blared on the loud speaker from the press box at Wildcat Field.
That is exactly what Mahomes did, overcoming two walks to get out of the inning with two strikeouts and complete a no-hitter in a 2-1 win for Whitehouse over Mount Pleasant on Tuesday afternoon.
"Coach came up to me (during the seventh) and said ‘You look tired, I don't know if I am going to let you go,"' Mahomes said. "And I just said, ‘I got it. I can finish it off.'"
The last strikeout was Mahomes' 16th to go along with four walks.
But the Texas Tech signee was only one half of this marquee matchup. The other was Mount Pleasant senior and Arizona signee Michael Kopech. Professional scouts lined the area behind home plate, going two or three rows deep — all with radar guns fixated on deliveries from two of the most talked about pitchers in the state of Texas.
And neither disappointed.
Mahomes got the no-hitter, but Kopech was equally dominant, allowing two unearned runs on two hits with 12 strikeouts.
"Me and Pat knew we had it coming into this game and he pitched a heck of a game," Kopech said. "It was a battle and we both knew it was going to be a battle. And he's a great hitter too, so I thought if anyone was going to get a hold of one, it was going to be him. And I wanted to get a hold of one of his too, but he beat me every at-bat today.
"He put up a fight for me and he came out on top today and I respect him a lot."
In Mahomes' three plate appearances the senior was 0 for 2 with a walk and two strikeouts. Kopech struck out in all three of his at-bats versus Mahomes.
Both pitchers were regularly reaching 90-plus miles per hour while mixing it up with enough off-speed pitches that left both teams' high-powered offenses befuddled.
"We were so excited to see (Kopech); to see a kid that throws that hard is just going to make us better in the long run," Whitehouse coach Derrick Jenkins said. "But there is no doubt in a big game (Mahomes) is going to step up and throw the way he did today. Never any doubt.
"He's just a big-game guy. He's a kid where you know when it's on the line and someone is trying to best him, he's going to take care of business."
Whitehouse (13-0) stayed undefeated with another win later in the day against Princeton, 10-3. Mount Pleasant dropped to 8-6.
Mount Pleasant head coach Aaron Pearson said despite the loss it was a great game for neutrals with a playoff atmosphere.
"You don't get this at many places in the nation where you have the two guys we had throwing today," Pearson said. "You have 35-40 scouts in the stands and everybody got their money's worth. It was a good game."
Mahomes fanned the first six batters he faced, many of them on 3-2 counts. Meanwhile, the Wildcats scratched out a run in the bottom of the first. Mahomes reached on a lead-off error and courtesy runner Tanner Roach eventually came home to score on another error.
Mount Pleasant tied the game in the top of the third; using back-to-back walks to start the inning and push across a run on a wild pitch. Cullen Grubbs walked, went to second on a walk to Christian Moulton and both runners moved up on a sacrifice bunt by Connor Gage.
The wild pitch brought home Grubbs on a close play at the plate. With a runner still at third, Mahomes struck out the next two batters to end the inning.
Both pitchers were throwing no-hitters through four innings until Whitehouse's first hit plated the game-winning run. The inning began with Jake Parker reaching on an error. A walk to catcher Rex Swinney put runners at first and second.
Kopech struck out the next batter but then Caleb McNulty put down a sacrifice bunt. Parker raced to third and took a long turn toward home, waiting for Kopech to throw on to first and give him a chance to potentially go home. Only Kopech faked a throw to first and came back to third to get Parker in a run-down and eventually an out for the second out of the inning.
Whitehouse courtesy runner Brennan McDaniel moved up to second during all of this along with McNulty to first on the fielder's choice. With two outs, Eric Munoz turned on a pitch and hit a liner past third into left field. McDaniel raced around to score, narrowly crossing home plate before McNulty was thrown out at third trying to advance.
The one-run cushion was all Mahomes needed. He struck out the side in the sixth and took care of business in the seventh for the second no-hitter of his varsity career.
"I've pitched my whole life and this is maybe my fourth one," Mahomes said. "I was throwing good the first inning, but I just tried to contain myself (with all of the scouts watching) and manage my energy, so I could complete the whole game.
"When you have a team as good as I do, I know that if I pitch well and give up one or two that we are going to get the win."
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Nice outing for Giolito. But Tyler Johnson, having a horrid spring, gives up 3 late in 3-2 loss. Burdi goes 1 scoreless inning despite allowing 2 hits and a walk.
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I'm afraid Mendick has played himself off the team.
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For whatever reason, the old post below keeps getting attached to the replies that I am trying to make to other posts. This one is about Zach Burdi. I disagree with the iea that Burdi is a failure. I don't see it that way. He really hasn't had a lot of innings since he came back to establish himself and when he is right, his pitches border on the unhittable. He's not going to make the big team and will be sent down or traded. But he will make it to the majors.
THought you guys would be interested in this tidbit I saw today. Apparently Patrick Mahomes was a lot more than a high school football player. He was also all state in basketball and this:) And while Texas is known a lot for their high school football, I can tell you with personal experience that their baseball is excellent also:)
Mahomes tosses no-hitter, outduels Kopech
By Chris Parry, cparry@tylerpaper.com Mar 11, 2014 Updated Jan 30, 2020 Comments
WHITEHOUSE — As Patrick Mahomes strode to the mound to begin his warm-up tosses for the seventh inning, Cake's "He's going the distance" blared on the loud speaker from the press box at Wildcat Field.
That is exactly what Mahomes did, overcoming two walks to get out of the inning with two strikeouts and complete a no-hitter in a 2-1 win for Whitehouse over Mount Pleasant on Tuesday afternoon.
"Coach came up to me (during the seventh) and said ‘You look tired, I don't know if I am going to let you go,"' Mahomes said. "And I just said, ‘I got it. I can finish it off.'"
The last strikeout was Mahomes' 16th to go along with four walks.
But the Texas Tech signee was only one half of this marquee matchup. The other was Mount Pleasant senior and Arizona signee Michael Kopech. Professional scouts lined the area behind home plate, going two or three rows deep — all with rada
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This is what is going to happen.
Grandal will never be the same and will have recurring knee issues - all while McCann excels for the Mets.
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9th inning blown save by Liam Hendriks
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/cubs-vs-white-sox/2021/03/15/641628#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641628
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9th inning blown save by Liam Hendriks
Yeah. Good for the guy who hit that home-run. That ws one for sure that he will remember. As for that game, I was impressed by the recovery that Steiver made after giving up the two runs. He looked sharp in the next two. You know, when we look at starting pitchers, sometimes they do give up runs early like Steiver did but then they right themselves and pitch good games afterward. Fans should not regard spring training spots for starters the same as for relievers. The two mind sets are a lot different. A lot of times pitchers reach the mound and something changes for them, Maybe they had great command when they left the pen but something is different when they enter the game itself. Frequently it is the mound itself or the rubber. Maybe it is the adrenalin as it kicks in.
To me a lot depends on the pitchers landing spot. Some of the things that I used to go over with my pitchers is sort of like yard work, namely to carve your own landing spot for yourself before you throw your first pich. Same thing applies to your position on the rubber. Maybe the guy you are pitching against sets his up different from yours so take care of that "gardening" for yourself. Pitchers are flaky in general as a rule and sometimes it is the little things like manicuring a mound that can really screw them up.
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-padres/2021/03/16/641977#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641977
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White Sox’ Carlos Rodon almost perfect in first Cactus League start
Rodon showed himself to be a top contender for No. 5 spot in the Sox’ starting rotation.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/3/16/22334863/white-sox-carlos-rodon-almost-perfect-in-first-cactus-league-start
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https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-padres/2021/03/16/641977#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641977
I said before the new season started that Rodon could be one of the biggest keys for the pitching staff. I love the guy's mechanics and having two quality lefties in the rotation means a lot in series. Someone mentioned maybe moving him up in the rotation to balance it better. I think that is a good idea for a bit later in the season but with the off days and bad weather always happening early, it probably won't happen in the first month.
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don't know what's wrong with Reynaldo Lopez. Got a million dollar arm but stinks. He doesn't deserve to make the team.
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don't know what's wrong with Reynaldo Lopez. Got a million dollar arm but stinks. He doesn't deserve to make the team.
• Reynaldo López allowed two runs on four hits during three innings of relief while striking out two Tuesday.
“I was able to make those adjustments from my last outing, and it was a good day. I’m on a good track,” López said through interpreter Billy Russo. “We’re working on my glove movement. Hitters were paying attention to what I was doing with my glove, and we corrected that.”
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/carlos-rodon-strikes-out-4-padres
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Dodgers 4, White Sox 3
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/dodgers-vs-white-sox/2021/03/17/641963#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641963
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White Sox 9, Royals 7
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/royals-vs-white-sox/2021/03/18/641607#game_state=live,game_tab=box,game=641607
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Mariners 7, White Sox 6
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-mariners/2021/03/19/642003#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=642003
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players with more than 13 at bats - the only guys hitting .300 or better this spring are LEURY, MERCEDES, ZACH COLLINS & NICK WILLIAMS.
not good.
I know it's only spring but the Sox have been horrible.
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White Sox 6, Indians 2
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/indians-vs-white-sox/2021/03/20/641698#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641698
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AZ D-Backs lineup: https://twitter.com/Dbacks/status/1373652186031292419
NO White Sox broadcast today but D-Backs broadcast is available on Fox Sports Arizona.
For those who don't have access to Fox Sports Arizona and want to watch the game live @3PM, here's a link to the telecast:
http://buffstream.io/mlb-streams/arizona-diamondbacks-live-stream
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White Sox 4, D-Backs 4
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-d-backs/2021/03/21/642152#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=642152
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Barring injury, today's outing by Carlos Rodón should secure him a spot in the starting rotation. On the flipside, Reynaldo López should get ready to start the season in Charlotte. Especially since he still has options.
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I agree about Rodon and Lopez. I think that right now, Lopez is what I would call "in between". I think that he is working very hard on his delivery and just needs to get comfortable and confident in it. I also do think that hitters are picking off what he is throwing still. Rodon right now looks like he's 100% back and looks very good out there. He is a classic left hander from the old days. When he is on I love to watch him pitch.
Watching the game yesterday, I again came away impressed by Mercedes. That single that he hit in the 9th was a great piece of hitting. He had two strikes on him and the pitcher threw a great slider with late break right at his hands. It was a pretty much unhittable pitch with his normal swing. Instead, he moved his hands in and steered the ball into short right field driving in two runs. This is something only a really good hitter does.
I'll tell you this. He is making LaRussa's decision for him, I think. Tony needs this guy in his line-up. I also have got to say that Collins looks a lot better contact wise at the plate and both he and Mercedes will take a walk. With Grandal still ouchy,I think there will be three catchers on this team.
As for Vaughn. Forget the notion of sending him down or his not being ready. The guy oozes confidence when he is up at the plate and just flat out know how to hit. Yeah, major league pitchers will find his weakness and he will struggle but this kid is STRONG(did you see the last home run that he hit on a pitch that was way up and chest high?). He crushed that ball and not many guys can do that to a baseball like that.
I know that they are not scoring a lot of runs but I think that you really need to take a look at what these guys individually are doing to get ready. When they get their real line0up in place, this team will knock the hell out of the ball. And I can't be more optimistic about the pitchers.
My concerns: Grandal's knee. Engel's hammy. It doesn't get said a lot but Engel really is an important member of this team. Madrigal looks bad at second base defensively and his arm looks weak. If there is one guy on the team that MAY be a major disappointment to me it is him. I wouldn't be shocked if they send him down to work on his strength. After all, he is really still recovering from surgery and may not be ready.
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I agree about Rodon and Lopez. I think that right now, Lopez is what I would call "in between". I think that he is working very hard on his delivery and just needs to get comfortable and confident in it. I also do think that hitters are picking off what he is throwing still. Rodon right now looks like he's 100% back and looks very good out there. He is a classic left hander from the old days. When he is on I love to watch him pitch.
Do you think Lopez would be better off in AAA as a starter, or would he get more out of working with Katz and putting in his time as a reliever? If the reports about Katz working well with him are true (and expected to continue), then I feel like that should be prioritized.
Realistically if he were to be thrown into the rotation it would be as a fifth starter anyways, so it wouldn't be lowering the bar too much to expect 4~5 innings out of him for a few starts after 1~3 inning outings from the bullpen.
Just my two cents....
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White Sox 7, Giants 2
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/giants-vs-white-sox/2021/03/22/641632#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641632
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Merkin predicts opening day roster, Mercedes not on it.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-2021-opening-day-roster-prediction
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Lopez really needs to be sent down. The Sox no longer are a team that can let a guy struggle in the majors until he figures it out. I'm against putting him in the pen, he still has too much potential as a starter - he's got the arm.
Last year I argued my head off about Mercedes making the roster. I hated the signing of Adam Encarnacion & wanted Leury & Mercedes to DH. I STILL want Leury & Mercedes to DH - Leury can spell Madrigal who would be a perfect DH for this team.
Vaughn still needs to play above A ball & the Sox don't need to throw away a year of control over him - that would be INSANE. If he rakes at AAA you can call him up.
If the Sox act stupidly and start with Vaughn as DH there is NO reason for Mercedes to make the team.
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Lopez really needs to be sent down. The Sox no longer are a team that can let a guy struggle in the majors until he figures it out. I'm against putting him in the pen, he still has too much potential as a starter - he's got the arm.
Last year I argued my head off about Mercedes making the roster. I hated the signing of Adam Encarnacion & wanted Leury & Mercedes to DH. I STILL want Leury & Mercedes to DH - Leury can spell Madrigal who would be a perfect DH for this team.
Vaughn still needs to play above A ball & the Sox don't need to throw away a year of control over him - that would be INSANE. If he rakes at AAA you can call him up.
If the Sox act stupidly and start with Vaughn as DH there is NO reason for Mercedes to make the team.
Both Vaughn and Mercedes should be on this team. Both these guys will rake. The Sox should carry three catchers and Mercedes should be one of them. The odd guy out should be Lecroy. Next to Abreu and Eloy, the guy that I have the most confidence in for driving in runs is Mercedes. If anyone should be sent down right now as far as I am concerned is Madrigal. Let Mendick and Leury split the 2nd base job until Madrigal is healthy. His throwing arm is still weak and clearly need to build himself up both in the field and in the batters box.
With Engel injured, they are talking about Hamilton being added. If he takes the a position over Mercedes or even Collins, they are stupid. The odds of Hamilton winning a game for them with a stolen base as a pinch runner or a game saving catch in the outfield are not close to the chance the Mercedes DHing or catching in 2 out of 3 games and driving in runs.
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I agree with Sharpie, Lopez is a puzzle. Sometimes guys with great "stuff" can't seem to harness it. Probably best to figure it out in the minors.
Has Engel really turned into something? I look forward to finding out once his hammy heals.
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I agree with Sharpie, Lopez is a puzzle. Sometimes guys with great "stuff" can't seem to harness it. Probably best to figure it out in the minors.
Has Engel really turned into something? I look forward to finding out once his hammy heals.
Yeah. Me too. I was watching the Sox game against the Mariners and the Mariners broadcasters were interviewing Mike Cameron who had a lot of interesting things to say including how he tried like hell to get even with the Sox for trading him. He did a great job of it also with four home runs in one game for example. Anyway, Engel ran from first to home on a hit and Cameron just said "damn, that guy is FAST". HE also said that Engel must be the fastest guy in the league watching him run like that. It was too bad that the kid got hurt on a freak play with that catch and throw from center field.
No question that I love stories like that of Engel and hopefully Mercedes who clawed their way onto a major league roster(Engel at least) and became important to a team.
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Ugh. Bird hates defense.
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White Sox 3, Cubs 1
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-cubs/2021/03/23/642176#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=642176
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Ugh. Bird hates defense.
Heh
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Looking at the Sox pitchers as a group, I think that the progress that a lot of them have made has to be credited to the new pitching coach, Katz. Last year I was shouting to the damned TV about some of their lower body mechanics, including their landing spot. Mostly I am talking about Rodon, Cease, Lopez and to some extent Huerer, Steiver, Burdi, and a couple of others that I can't remember the names of right now. Too often pitchers become enamored with their throwing arms and whip the **** out of them when throwing a baseball. Kopech was one of those guys when he first came up also. I can't tell you how many bad arms resulted from bad lower body mechanics that I have seen in guys pitching in college, high school and even earlier.
Kudos to Katz and compliments to the pitchers who have listened to him. Look now at their mechanics as a group. No more flopping around like a fish being landed in a boat. Even Giolitto can be used as an example. In his last game he rushed his lower body, landed left of his landing "spot" and the pitch ended up in the dirt low and away. He immediately realized what he did. You could tell that he was talking to himself on the mound and he very quickly fixed the problem by himself. I've said that Cease can be an ace someday on a staff and thus far, his progress is looking good. Rodon looks also that he has fixed his lower body mechanics to me and that should take care of most of his control issues as well as easing the stress on his shoulder.
I didn't know what to make out of Giolitto's interaction with Katz and how much Katz made him into a very good pitcher. I know know. Perhaps the White Sox should give Giolitto and extra bonus for bring the attention of the White Sox to Katz. So far so good:)
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White Sox closer Liam Hendriks
dealing with kidney stones
https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/3/24/22348833/white-sox-closer-liam-hendriks-dealing-with-kidney-stone
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Jimenez hurt his shoulder playing defense today. Could be serious. When is that guy going to learn to stop doing dumb stuff in the outfield?
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Jimenez hurt his shoulder playing defense today. Could be serious. When is that guy going to learn to stop doing dumb stuff in the outfield?
The sad part is he had no chance to catch that HR ball. Time to take his fielders glove away from him and burn it. Make him the full-time DH.
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A's 14, White Sox 4
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/athletics-vs-white-sox/2021/03/24/641757#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641757
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Jimenez hurt his shoulder playing defense today. Could be serious. When is that guy going to learn to stop doing dumb stuff in the outfield?
I know that I am going to be in the minority on this opinion but that's okay. To me, that wasn't dumb stuff. Tony told reporters that he had told the team that he wanted them to play like they would if the season had started so what would you have Jimenez do? He did everything right on that fly ball. Saw the track, slowed down, felt the fence, THEN he screwed up at the end. Instead of grabbing the top of the fence and using his right arm to help lift himself up he somehow draped his arm over the fence and hurt it coming down.
My point is that this shoudl be TAUGHT by someone in the organization if the player hasn't learned it in the minors. Boston, for example, was a good outfielder in his day. What about Adam Engel or Hamilton taking both Jimenez and Roberts(who is bad at the wall himself BTW) and show the young kids how to do this? To me, this stuff should be taught to outfielders in the minors because these young Cuban and third world country players don't make it up to the majors on their fielding prowess, right? They HIT THEIR WAY out of their countries.
I will be absolutely sick if Jimenez is really hurt. With Engel already out for a bit, this would be a really tough blow if they lost Eloy. Hopefully he just strained things but I didn't like how his arm was draped coming off of the field:(
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https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/03/eloy-jimenez-torn-pectoral-muscle-five-six-months-white-sox.html
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Can Andrew Vaughn play left field? If not, welcome Billy Hamilton to the opening day 26-man roster.
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White Sox 9, Reds 4
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-white-sox/2021/03/25/641603#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641603
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**** Eloy, what a loon.
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Ugh. Bird hates defense.
Bird doesn't like weanie armed no hit back-up catchers who fill up roster spots. Lucroy should have retired two years ago. He's a broken down guy trying to hang on to a nice career.
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**** Eloy, what a loon.
I blame LaRussa and the coaching staff from the minor leagues on up. Neither Eloy nor Roberts know how to play at the wall and that is on the coaches to work with them on. LaRussa also went on record to tell his players that he wanted them to play the remainder of spring training like they would do when the real games start. That was mentioned on several broadcasts that I heard on the spring training broadcasts. To blame a player for hustling is crap as far as I am concerned. Not teaching a player a facet of the game that he should learn, is the coaches and managers fault. And..... if LaRussa doesn't want Eloy to try and climb a wall, TELL HIM THAT. That is LaRussa's job.
I think that this is a shame. When Eloy comes back, his days as an outfielder are over for sure and it is too bad. He is an athlete and was poorly trained in his career as a fielder. I expect stuff like that in Latin America but there is no excuse in the minor and major leagues in the US.
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White Sox 7, BrewCrew 5
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-brewers/2021/03/26/641556#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641556
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White Sox 8, Rockies 2
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-rockies/2021/03/27/642095#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=642095
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White Sox 8, D-Backs 4
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/d-backs-vs-white-sox/2021/03/28/641563#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=641563
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This is my stab at the White Sox opening day roster:
Pitchers(12)
Starting Pitchers( 5) : Giolitto, Kuechel, Lynn, Cease, Rodon
Relievers(7) : Kopech, Crochet, Heurer, Bummer, Foster, Hendricks, Marshall
Starting Players:(9) : Moncada, Anderson, Madrigal, Abreu, Vaughn, Robert, Eaton, Grandal, Collins(DH)
Reserve Players: (5): Mercedes, Garcia, Mendick, Williams, Hamilton -- a catcher, two infielders, and two outfielders basically
I think, in Tony's plans, he will used Collins and Mercedes as a DH combo initially and see how it works out with Vaughn in left field. When Engel is ready, he'll replace Hamilton. I kind of was disappointed that Sheets didn't get any chance to show what he could do in right field. Hopefully, he will hit the ground running in 3A but he has to be very disappointed. Tony's all about winning a championship but a spring training like this one is really tough on young talented players
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Lucroy was released today. So Mercedez likely has made it. We picked up Jake Lamb, who they say is likely to make the roster too. Plays 3B and 1B. Maybe he will DH some too. Had a couple big years in Arizona, made all star team in NL one year.
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Lucroy was released today. So Mercedez likely has made it. We picked up Jake Lamb, who they say is likely to make the roster too. Plays 3B and 1B. Maybe he will DH some too. Had a couple big years in Arizona, made all star team in NL one year.
The Lamb move really surprised me. With him added, I think Mendick will be the last roster cut. I like Mendick and he is probably one of the better all around infielders defensively in baseball and expect him back at sometime in the season.
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Rockies 2, White Sox 1
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/white-sox-vs-rockies/2021/03/30/644215#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=644215
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White Sox finish spring training 2021 with a 12-12 record. Acceptable since earlier in the spring their record was 1-8. Not that a won-loss record in the spring means anything but it's nice to go into the regular season with a winning momentum.
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The big plus to me that came out of spring training was the quality displayed on all five of our starting pitchers. I said early on that, to me Rodon could be a major key to this team going forward. I based that on my opinion that having two good left handed starters during a season means a lot to a team during a season because lefties disrupt hitters used to facing righties all of the time.
A lot of Sox fans are excited with what our offense is likely to produce. I am also but I am more excited about the right now depth and quality of our pitching from top to bottom. It is pitching that really carries a team during a long season and is also crucial come play-off time. Good pitching shuts down good hitters most of the time. To me, the Sox entered spring training with two big question marks and they were named Rodon and Cease. Yeah, it was just spring training, but I sure liked what I saw in the 4th and 5th guys in the rotation.
Losing Jimenez was a huge loss. To me, his bat is irreplaceable. But that, I think, will be countered by what is to me an unexpected improvement in our starting pitching going into the season. I think that the Sox will not score as many runs on the average as they would have with Jimenez out of the line-up. I projected him for .300 BA 40+ Hrs and 120 Rbis and a contender for MVP going into the year. You don't begin to replace that with any two guys let alone one. But I think that Sox will be among major league leaders in over-all pitching and could still win it all.
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I've got a question. Why is there not any real discussion on this site? I've tried to get some thoughts out there but no one seems interested. Am I wasting my time?
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you're not rude enough.
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The big plus to me that came out of spring training was the quality displayed on all five of our starting pitchers. I said early on that, to me Rodon could be a major key to this team going forward. I based that on my opinion that having two good left handed starters during a season means a lot to a team during a season because lefties disrupt hitters used to facing righties all of the time.
A lot of Sox fans are excited with what our offense is likely to produce. I am also but I am more excited about the right now depth and quality of our pitching from top to bottom. It is pitching that really carries a team during a long season and is also crucial come play-off time. Good pitching shuts down good hitters most of the time. To me, the Sox entered spring training with two big question marks and they were named Rodon and Cease. Yeah, it was just spring training, but I sure liked what I saw in the 4th and 5th guys in the rotation.
Losing Jimenez was a huge loss. To me, his bat is irreplaceable. But that, I think, will be countered by what is to me an unexpected improvement in our starting pitching going into the season. I think that the Sox will not score as many runs on the average as they would have with Jimenez out of the line-up. I projected him for .300 BA 40+ Hrs and 120 Rbis and a contender for MVP going into the year. You don't begin to replace that with any two guys let alone one. But I think that Sox will be among major league leaders in over-all pitching and could still win it all.
I agree 100% with that.... with Lynn on the last year of his deal, I wonder if Hahn would risk it and go all-in on a trade candidate to replace Jimenez’s bat.
To me Vaughn in the lineup as a 1B / DH would have been acceptable had Eloy’s bat still been in the lineup. Now, with that huge hole that Eloy has left, I don’t think we have the latitude to live with such an unknown as Vaughn in the lineup (let alone patrolling left field).
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The big plus to me that came out of spring training was the quality displayed on all five of our starting pitchers. I said early on that, to me Rodon could be a major key to this team going forward. I based that on my opinion that having two good left handed starters during a season means a lot to a team during a season because lefties disrupt hitters used to facing righties all of the time.
A lot of Sox fans are excited with what our offense is likely to produce. I am also but I am more excited about the right now depth and quality of our pitching from top to bottom. It is pitching that really carries a team during a long season and is also crucial come play-off time. Good pitching shuts down good hitters most of the time. To me, the Sox entered spring training with two big question marks and they were named Rodon and Cease. Yeah, it was just spring training, but I sure liked what I saw in the 4th and 5th guys in the rotation.
Losing Jimenez was a huge loss. To me, his bat is irreplaceable. But that, I think, will be countered by what is to me an unexpected improvement in our starting pitching going into the season. I think that the Sox will not score as many runs on the average as they would have with Jimenez out of the line-up. I projected him for .300 BA 40+ Hrs and 120 Rbis and a contender for MVP going into the year. You don't begin to replace that with any two guys let alone one. But I think that Sox will be among major league leaders in over-all pitching and could still win it all.
I agree 100% with that.... with Lynn on the last year of his deal, I wonder if Hahn would risk it and go all-in on a trade candidate to replace Jimenez’s bat.
To me Vaughn in the lineup as a 1B / DH would have been acceptable had Eloy’s bat still been in the lineup. Now, with that huge hole that Eloy has left, I don’t think we have the latitude to live with such an unknown as Vaughn in the lineup (let alone patrolling left field).
Maybe not. I think though that the Sox will wait and see how it plays out with Vaughn in left field. I'm glad they didn't rush a decision to bring in another outfielder free agent or make a trade right away. I'm guessing that Vaughn will do okay in left field. It is the easiest position for anyone to play for starters and Vaughn doesn't strike me as an overly athletic guy who is going to try and extend himself defensively. Offensively, I think he is going to do well and he's my pick for the AL rookie of the year.
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you're not rude enough.
My wife would tell you differently:)
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I've got a question. Why is there not any real discussion on this site? I've tried to get some thoughts out there but no one seems interested. Am I wasting my time?
We all know one another quite well by now. Seems we have discussed a lot of what you are trying to discuss. I have said my piece on a lot of those thoughts and you do not agree. I am just shy of 65 years old, you will not convince me of some of your takes and I will not convince you of some of my takes. If you want discussions on some of these type things then maybe SoxTalk is more your type of forum.
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See what we mean about you not being rude enough?? MSF always makes me giggle.
Loveland is infatuated with defense and Bird seems to hate the glove, so....
Although It is possible I am still pouting about James McCann, including that Hahn ever signed Grandal in the first place.
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Alright Bird,
What good is pitching without defense and what possible good are three freaking catchers who supposedly can hit but apparently are unable to catch the ball. Ever.
Good thing Mercedes made the cut. You want to dialogue? Go for it.
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Just wondering what the issues are with Grandal’s defense.
I remember the one extremely boneheaded play where he ignored a relay throw and let it go through his legs, but what else has he done besides not being James McCann?
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He constantly has passed balls - last night’s was on top of Madrigal’s error and at the worst moment. He has Folke-like timing.
Loveland is calmer this morning. This should probably be in the Today’s Game thread and Andy might come give me a ticket. I put it here because all Spring slash lines are posted as the only value considered, then, first game of the season —> WHAM! Lost due to defense.
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See what we mean about you not being rude enough?? MSF always makes me giggle.
Loveland is infatuated with defense and Bird seems to hate the glove, so....
Although It is possible I am still pouting about James McCann, including that Hahn ever signed Grandal in the first place.
I am amazed at the reputation Grandal had coming over from the NL. He sure has been a letdown defensively.
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I've got a question. Why is there not any real discussion on this site? I've tried to get some thoughts out there but no one seems interested. Am I wasting my time?
We all know one another quite well by now. Seems we have discussed a lot of what you are trying to discuss. I have said my piece on a lot of those thoughts and you do not agree. I am just shy of 65 years old, you will not convince me of some of your takes and I will not convince you of some of my takes. If you want discussions on some of these type things then maybe SoxTalk is more your type of forum.
You're 65? You're still a young rooster, buddy:) I'm turn 76 in June. I change my mind about things quite a lot in stuff that isn't really important like baseball. As for Sox Talk, I tried that and didn't like the way they "moderate" the board. Too much censorship and a-holes there to bother with. I like to hear different thought and information about things along with different perspectives. And yeah, I like to argue like fans do. I love baseball. I was good at it and good as a coach. So, MSF, that's what I think and would enjoy to hear what you have to say on any baseball topic except for maybe the politics which have taken over sports in general.
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Alright Bird,
What good is pitching without defense and what possible good are three freaking catchers who supposedly can hit but apparently are unable to catch the ball. Ever.
Good thing Mercedes made the cut. You want to dialogue? Go for it.
I think, first of all, that Grandal is a better than average defensive catcher. HE is , for sure, rated that way by most experts who do that kind of rating stuff. He also is a top rated offensive catcher in the game and one of certainly the top five over-all at his position. As for Mercedes, he has one of the best throwing arms and baseball transfer from glove to hand that are in the game as far as I am concerned. His problem is framing more than anything. Besides, he isn't going to probably catching much. HIs big plus is his bat which I THINK could be a big factor going forward. We will see.
I know this, I would rather have a catcher in my line-up that can hit instead of a guy who is an easy out like the majority of back-up and even starting catchers are. Grandal in the middle of a line-up is HUGE and LaRussa knows this because he knows the pressure that guys like he and Moncada place on the other manager and his relief pitcher decisions.
I am very much more concerned with Madrigal at second base. To me he is a below average defender with a below average arm. IF he doesn't hit over .300 and have on OBP of .350 or better, I'd say that the Sox may just have to hope that someone in their organization out of the talented youngsters there does develop. Madrigal has limitations. They can hope he develops better defensively and maybe his arm will strengthen but he will be pressed to be better than an average over-all 2nd baseman in my opinion.
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Glad I fell asleep and missed the defensive implosion.
Bird, you want to get a rise out of Loveland? Post something about how starting the season 1-4 doesn't mean anything. :)
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Glad I fell asleep and missed the defensive implosion.
Bird, you want to get a rise out of Loveland? Post something about how starting the season 1-4 doesn't mean anything. :)
LMAO
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I've got a question. Why is there not any real discussion on this site? I've tried to get some thoughts out there but no one seems interested. Am I wasting my time?
We all know one another quite well by now. Seems we have discussed a lot of what you are trying to discuss. I have said my piece on a lot of those thoughts and you do not agree. I am just shy of 65 years old, you will not convince me of some of your takes and I will not convince you of some of my takes. If you want discussions on some of these type things then maybe SoxTalk is more your type of forum.
You're 65? You're still a young rooster, buddy:) I'm turn 76 in June. I change my mind about things quite a lot in stuff that isn't really important like baseball. As for Sox Talk, I tried that and didn't like the way they "moderate" the board. Too much censorship and a-holes there to bother with. I like to hear different thought and information about things along with different perspectives. And yeah, I like to argue like fans do. I love baseball. I was good at it and good as a coach. So, MSF, that's what I think and would enjoy to hear what you have to say on any baseball topic except for maybe the politics which have taken over sports in general.
Cantankerous sort eh? Yeah, you will fit in. Pete Ward on here is older than me as well, so 3 of us who can talk Sox in the late 50s thru late 60s. Love is just a young lass, but she knows her baseball and she loves her defense. Myself, I am more of a pitching/defense guy than an offense guy, but I know you need to balance that. Take the mid 60s White Sox, such good starting pitching and bullpen (I loved Bob Locker) but they struggled to get a guy on the backside of the AL Batting Average baseball card. Only went down to about .240 and we maybe had 2 guys over that.
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I don’t care what Grandal is rated defensively - stats are never the whole picture - I have eyes and clearly he has defensive lapses. This is something one may put up with in a rookie/60 game season 2nd baseman but not the veteran who received the largest contract in team history. His place was to bring a veterans calm to the situation, not ratchet it up.
Do you know what happens when you follow stats with no human in-game context applied against the stats? Removing Blake Snell.
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Bob Locker! Great middle reliever. Was master of the sinker if I recall.
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I don’t care what Grandal is rated defensively - stats are never the whole picture - I have eyes and clearly he has defensive lapses. This is something one may put up with in a rookie/60 game season 2nd baseman but not the veteran who received the largest contract in team history. His place was to bring a veterans calm to the situation, not ratchet it up.
Do you know what happens when you follow stats with no human in-game context applied against the stats? Removing Blake Snell.
No, stats are not the whole picture and I am not saying that he is great defensively. But, over-all, I think that he is good and is certainly one of the better all around catchers in the game. I am watching today's game and watched him hit right handed and simply move his hands in a intentionally coach a really good change-up into right field for a hit while moving the runner on first to 3rd. That hit pretty much set up what followed in terms of run production. Grandal frames pitches better than anyone in the game and is loved by his pitchers for it.
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Still wildly overpaid.
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Bob Locker! Great middle reliever. Was master of the sinker if I recall.
Yes, he had a great sinker. He spent a year or two in Nam when he was in the minors, came back, made the roster and had a couple exceptional years. Hurt his arm and that was that back then. He set up for Wilhelm and Eddie Fisher who did closing.
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Bird of Prey,
we've talked out a lot of topics here. For example last year during spring training I was arguing that Mercedes not only should have made the team but that he and Leury should be given the DH slot. I was livid over the Encanarcion signing as it seemed to me a repeat of a mistake the Sox made over & over. I also argued that Grandal was wildly overpaid & that Steve Cishek would have an off year due to 2 years of overuse as a Cubbie.
Not a lot of Sox controversies this year, only baseball controversies: rule changes, how the juiced ball effects the game etc. How the season pans out & how La Russa manages the team will produce plenty of discussion.
Also the minors always used to provide a lot of messaging here & we haven't had any minor league activity for quite some time.
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I've got a question. Why is there not any real discussion on this site? I've tried to get some thoughts out there but no one seems interested. Am I wasting my time?
We all know one another quite well by now. Seems we have discussed a lot of what you are trying to discuss. I have said my piece on a lot of those thoughts and you do not agree. I am just shy of 65 years old, you will not convince me of some of your takes and I will not convince you of some of my takes. If you want discussions on some of these type things then maybe SoxTalk is more your type of forum.
You're 65? You're still a young rooster, buddy:) I'm turn 76 in June. I change my mind about things quite a lot in stuff that isn't really important like baseball. As for Sox Talk, I tried that and didn't like the way they "moderate" the board. Too much censorship and a-holes there to bother with. I like to hear different thought and information about things along with different perspectives. And yeah, I like to argue like fans do. I love baseball. I was good at it and good as a coach. So, MSF, that's what I think and would enjoy to hear what you have to say on any baseball topic except for maybe the politics which have taken over sports in general.
Cantankerous sort eh? Yeah, you will fit in. Pete Ward on here is older than me as well, so 3 of us who can talk Sox in the late 50s thru late 60s. Love is just a young lass, but she knows her baseball and she loves her defense. Myself, I am more of a pitching/defense guy than an offense guy, but I know you need to balance that. Take the mid 60s White Sox, such good starting pitching and bullpen (I loved Bob Locker) but they struggled to get a guy on the backside of the AL Batting Average baseball card. Only went down to about .240 and we maybe had 2 guys over that.
Bob Locker was a terrific relief pitcher. His fastball had a natural sink to it and had hitters fishing out of the zone to hit it. And going back in time also, remember when Goose Gossage and Terry Forster first came up? They were basically the fore-runners to the two young studs, Kopech and Crochet, that the Sox have now. Both Gossage and Forster threw about as hard as anyone in the game back then and I remember that Forster was also a pretty good hitter when he got the chance. Of course, the Sox didn't have many good hitters back then and sometimes Forster would pinch hit:)
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Take the mid 60s White Sox, such good starting pitching and bullpen (I loved Bob Locker) but they struggled to get a guy on the backside of the AL Batting Average baseball card. Only went down to about .240 and we maybe had 2 guys over that.
You mean like the 1967 team, when Berry and Buford led them in BA at .241???
Of course, that was the era when pitching in general dominated baseball and Gene Bossard maintained a swamp in front of home plate at Comiskey.
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I don’t care what Grandal is rated defensively - stats are never the whole picture - I have eyes and clearly he has defensive lapses. This is something one may put up with in a rookie/60 game season 2nd baseman but not the veteran who received the largest contract in team history. His place was to bring a veterans calm to the situation, not ratchet it up.
Do you know what happens when you follow stats with no human in-game context applied against the stats? Removing Blake Snell.
Of course stats are never the whole picture, but they give you additional information that you may not have known was important. Way back when in the mid-2000’s when we always had these debates, the big debate was framed in terms of the player’s overall value with the bat (namely batting average vs. OBP vs. OPS vs. RBI). Now I think a lot of that has settled across the league a little bit. There are still teams that value the traditional “counting stats,” but more and more teams have accepted player valuation using the “new” stats (OBP, wOBA, WAR, etc.) for overall player valuation as the norm.
Over a 162-game season, that makes sense to a point... but how do you balance that with the attention to detail? Basically, do you want the perennial MVP candidate who’s a choker, or a David Eckstein / Darin Erstad type of “extra grindy” player? Where is the balance?
The modern application is where I get really excited about the stats - identifying player performance patterns relative to certain situations and using that information to adjust a hitter’s approach, pitch selection, etc. Basically the statistics are just complementing the same intuition, wisdom, and scouting reports that have been used throughout the game of baseball. In addition to the game being played by bigger, faster, stronger, and more precise players now than ever before, there is more information available, so these adjustments are happening faster and faster on all sides and even on smaller and smaller level... things like spin rate on pitches, for example, that can be monitored to help drive conversations between pitchers and coaches to look for mechanical adjustments or to check in on how a blister is really healing up.
For the record, I am extremely disappointed that McCann wasn’t retained. McCann should have been starting 2/3 days behind the plate, Grandal the other 1/3, and Grandal taking on a majority of his starts at DH / 1B. Give Vaughn time in AAA.
Oh well - happy for McCann. In the meantime, we need to find a reliable backup C.
As a side note, the Angels broadcast noted that 6 of our last 9 first round draft picks were on the opening day roster (Crochet, Vaughn, Madrigal, Collins, Rodon, Anderson). That ought to make MSF at least a little pleased.
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Still wildly overpaid.
They all are over-paid. Looking at the silly amounts of money that they paid Tatis and Lindor let alone the contracts for some of the pitchers in the game, it is crazy what these guys make. All of these guys are one missed step, a blown out shoulder, or just taking their money and getting fat and uninterested away from screwing the team that is paying them this obscene amount of money.
Baseball is the last sport that I follow except for a love of hockey which is best watched in person. I've stopped watching basketball and football because of the politics that have entered it and the attitudes of many of the players in it. I quit watching baseball or going to games for awhile when the last players strike occurred. But I still loved the game itself and when I retired early, I got big time involved in coaching and teaching the game and that more than anything else got me back into an interest of major league baseball again.
I just hope this decision of Manfred about removing the all-star game from Atlanta isn't an indication that baseball is going to follow the sad road that the other major sports is traveling. If it does, then I will be done with baseball also and will maybe get back into coaching and teaching the game at the high school level. Its in my blood and I love it and I've got to say, I love the Latin American players and their stories a lot!!
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I've got a question. Why is there not any real discussion on this site? I've tried to get some thoughts out there but no one seems interested. Am I wasting my time?
We all know one another quite well by now. Seems we have discussed a lot of what you are trying to discuss. I have said my piece on a lot of those thoughts and you do not agree. I am just shy of 65 years old, you will not convince me of some of your takes and I will not convince you of some of my takes. If you want discussions on some of these type things then maybe SoxTalk is more your type of forum.
You're 65? You're still a young rooster, buddy:) I'm turn 76 in June. I change my mind about things quite a lot in stuff that isn't really important like baseball. As for Sox Talk, I tried that and didn't like the way they "moderate" the board. Too much censorship and a-holes there to bother with. I like to hear different thought and information about things along with different perspectives. And yeah, I like to argue like fans do. I love baseball. I was good at it and good as a coach. So, MSF, that's what I think and would enjoy to hear what you have to say on any baseball topic except for maybe the politics which have taken over sports in general.
Cantankerous sort eh? Yeah, you will fit in. Pete Ward on here is older than me as well, so 3 of us who can talk Sox in the late 50s thru late 60s. Love is just a young lass, but she knows her baseball and she loves her defense. Myself, I am more of a pitching/defense guy than an offense guy, but I know you need to balance that. Take the mid 60s White Sox, such good starting pitching and bullpen (I loved Bob Locker) but they struggled to get a guy on the backside of the AL Batting Average baseball card. Only went down to about .240 and we maybe had 2 guys over that.
Bob Locker was a terrific relief pitcher. His fastball had a natural sink to it and had hitters fishing out of the zone to hit it. And going back in time also, remember when Goose Gossage and Terry Forster first came up? They were basically the fore-runners to the two young studs, Kopech and Crochet, that the Sox have now. Both Gossage and Forster threw about as hard as anyone in the game back then and I remember that Forster was also a pretty good hitter when he got the chance. Of course, the Sox didn't have many good hitters back then and sometimes Forster would pinch hit:)
I almost quit being a Sox fan when we traded Gossage and Forster for Steve Zisk. Zisk was good but left after 1 year. Forster ate himself out of the league but Gossage was an animal. I loved young hard throwing kids like those 2, Bart Johnson, Jason Bere, Scott Radinsky.
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Take the mid 60s White Sox, such good starting pitching and bullpen (I loved Bob Locker) but they struggled to get a guy on the backside of the AL Batting Average baseball card. Only went down to about .240 and we maybe had 2 guys over that.
You mean like the 1967 team, when Berry and Buford led them in BA at .241???
Of course, that was the era when pitching in general dominated baseball and Gene Bossard maintained a swamp in front of home plate at Comiskey.
Yes. thanks.
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l almost quit being a Sox fan when we traded Gossage and Forster for Steve Zisk. Zisk was good but left after 1 year. Forster ate himself out of the league but Gossage was an animal. I loved young hard throwing kids like those 2, Bart Johnson, Jason Bere, Scott Radinsky.
(https://soxnerd.files.wordpress.com/2019/02/img_3599.jpg?w=474)
Richie Zisk. "The Polish Prince". The 1977 Southside Hit Men. Zisk was more than just "good" in his 1 year with the White Sox. .290/.355/.514 with an OPS of .869 and an OPS+ of 134. 30HRs and 101 RBI. He was an All-Star Game starter and placed 14th in the MVP voting. Cheap ass Bill Veeck got all that for $64K and let him leave for free agency where he signed with Texas for $312,500. BTW, Gossage & Forster also left for free agency after only playing one season in Pittsburgh. Gossage to the Yankees and Forster to the Dodgers.
https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/white-sox/remember-guy-richie-zisk
https://soxnerd.wordpress.com/2019/02/06/all-about-birthday-boy-richie-zisk/
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It's time to close and lock this topic. It will reopen again in early February 2022.
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Good to see Keuchel is in mid season form
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Happy "new year"! Good thing there's no distractions at this year's camp. :)
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Sox are not capable of having it any other way.
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It is just plain embarrassing
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Spent a long weekend in Glendale taking in 3 ST games 3/1 - 3/4.
Most positive takeaway I can give you is Soroka looks like he might be our ace when we inevitably trade Cease. Ks and ground balls...his stuff is quick and has plenty of movement.
We have 0 hitting depth. Top 5 guys better stay healthy and hit.
Montgomery is huge. He makes Moustakas look like a dwarf.
If I had to pick a RF starter today it would be Mark Payton...
Quero is better than any catcher we'll go to Chicago with. We should start Chuckie Robinson. At least he can throw guys out.
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Not that I've been paying super-close attention, but I am intrigued by Soroka and Nastrini. And making Crochet a starter should be fun theater.
With Getz going for defense over offense with the schmoes he brought in, seems to me we are going to lose a lot of 3-1 or 4-2 games this year.
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I am so glad Getz is a glove guy, I take back everything I said.
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I see a lot of 7-1 losses, given the state of the pitching staff.