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Title: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 10, 2011, 04:17:33 pm
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Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 11, 2011, 08:33:51 am
This is the key topic of them all!!!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 12, 2011, 05:33:30 pm
Charlotte lost 5-2 this afternoon. Gaby Hernandez with a poor start. Pen did a good job. DeAza had 2 doubles and scored twice, but he struck out 3 times as well.
Probably plenty that can do the job better than these guys are. However, I think Ozzie is a lot of the blame. Everything he is touching right now is going to hell. He needs to settle on a rotation of these pen guys, he must think he is LaRussa or something.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 13, 2011, 05:40:28 pm
Charlotte lost 5-2, Peavy went 6 innings, 8 hits, 0 walks, 2 ER, 4 Ks. He allowed a homer. He threw 72 pitches, 55 of them strikes. I would say he is ready. Harrell gave up 3 in relief. 2 hits for Gallagher including a homer. Danks had 3 hits. No one else got a hit.
Winston-Salem, Game #1, won 3-2 in 10 innings, Serafin started and gave up 2 runs over 4. The pen then shut them out for 6 innings. Taylor Thompson got the save. Mitchell was 1-3 with a HBP. After the HBP Gac hit a 2-run homer.
Kannapolis won 8-3, Buch with 6 real nice innings. Trayce Thompson had a 2 run homer, his 2nd on the year. Seems to be hitting, but he is at .185. 2 perfect innings for Addison Reed.
Charlotte down 2-1 in the 7th, Peavy went 6 innings, 8 hits, 0 walks, 2 ER, 4 Ks. He allowed a homer. He threw 72 pitches, 55 of them strikes.
"Stuff" and command-wise, I'd agree.
The only reason he's down there at this point is to build up stamina.
I'm guessing if we see Humber lit up tomorrow, we'll see Peavy sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 14, 2011, 09:11:27 pm
Charlotte lost 3-1, Marquez was wild but still did ok. Bruney pitched a good inning. Get him up here and release Pena. Or send down the guy we have not used yet. Jeesh.
Kannapolis won 9-5, Upchurch started and went 3, they need to stretch him out, he has been relieving for some odd reason. Chase Cooney went the middle 3 and got the win. Not sure I want a guy named Chase on my team. Miguel "Mickey" Negron did not fare so well as a pitcher in his 2nd outing. Silverio and Schumaker stay hot, Thompson was 1-4 with a walk.
Kannapolis won 5-3, Petricka dominant in his 5 innings. Looks like Evenson, the SS, got HBP and left game. That will hurt. 3 hits for PG Blanke, the catcher. He had 2 doubles and a triple.
Mitchell is playing for less than three weeks after being out for a whole year.
It's way too early to judge him a bust.
Have you ever thought about changing your username to 'The Cynic' or 'Doubting Thomas'? They seem far more appropriate than 'Wishful Thinking'. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on April 18, 2011, 05:31:40 am
Mitchell is playing for less than three weeks after being out for a whole year.
It's way too early to judge him a bust.
Have you ever thought about changing your username to 'The Cynic' or 'Doubting Thomas'? They seem far more appropriate than 'Wishful Thinking'. ;D ;D ;D
NO, probably no more so than you have to change yours to Andy McFailed ;D ;D ;D
But then again you may be right about it being early to judge Mitchell. His game at LSU was based on speed and taking long counts and doing a lot of walking. INOW he had batting issues even in college. This injury hasnt cleaned up his deficiencies he has had. I believe even if he manages to make the big leagues it will be a very long journey and most likely wont be in a White Sox uniform.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 18, 2011, 01:46:28 pm
Sundays games.
Charlotte lost 8-3, Dolsi started and got hit around. Viciedo and Milledge both under .200.
Birmingham lost 7-2, Nevin Griffith went 4 wild innings but only 1 run. Lowe was clobbered in relief. 2 doubles for Phegley as he crosses over the Mendoza line.
Winston-Salem won 9-0, Bayne has yet to give up a run yet this year, he went 7 superb innings. Shirek went final 2. 2 hits, including a double for Mitchell, also a walk. Martinez and Gac are doing a good job hitting this year thus far.
I loved the Mitchell pick. He was looking great until he got hurt. Speed power and patience. Still think he makes it
I liked him too. Still rooting for him, but I'm not that optimistic.
I didnt really care for the pick. I didnt think he would ever hit MLB pitching. I still wonder. Eventhough I have serious doubts I do hope the kid isnt a bust. I am just not sure he can make an impact in the big leagues
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 18, 2011, 06:24:53 pm
yet you think Phegley can?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 18, 2011, 08:54:54 pm
Charlotte down 10-5 in the 7th, Hynick with a bad start, Whisler with a real bad relief outing. 3 hits and 2 RBI for Viciedo.
Winston-Salem blew late lead and lost 7-4, Doyle gave up a lot of hits, no walks, thus he managed to get thru 5. Mitchell with 2 doubles, a run scored and RBI.
Kannapolis won 11-7, poor start for Arroyo, pen has picked it up however. Trayce Thompson with his 4th and 5th homers among his 4 hits, Ross Wilson also had 4 hits, and Silverio and Shoemaker stay hot.
Kannapolis won 6-5, another good outing for Petricka (who won pitcher of the week in the SALLY league last week). He was vultured out of the win. Thompson 0-4 with 2 Ks. Blanke and Ross Wilson had good games.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 20, 2011, 09:52:47 pm
Hey MSF...
Since we've been thanking websites recently and lovelands fashion sense... Thanks for taking the time to keep us informed on the minors... (minor thanks to blacksox for always filling in for MSF's absences)
I might look at the links 20% of the time.. your comments on whats pertinent... are appreciated and read every time!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 20, 2011, 09:53:34 pm
Hey MSF...
Since we've been thanking websites recently and lovelands fashion sense... Thanks for taking the time to keep us informed on the minors... (minor thanks to blacksox for always filling in for MSF's absences)
I might look at the links 20% of the time.. your comments on whats pertinent are appreciated and read every time!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 21, 2011, 07:54:11 am
not a ton of stuff to report on, we really have a lack of talent, but I still get into it, probably moreso than for our big league club anymore. Thanks
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Joshpr on April 21, 2011, 09:34:20 am
Were gonna be bad for a long time
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 21, 2011, 08:31:17 pm
Charlotte won 6-4, Marquez pitched a nice 7 innings. Carter got the save. DeAza sparked the offense again, he is off to a good start.
Birmingham came back to win 6-5. Leesman with a real bad outing. Bullpen pitched 8 shutout innings, Infante with the save. Phegley hit a 3-run homer to tie it in the 9th, he hit another homer to win it in the 11th.
Winston-Salem lost 7-6.Santiago with a lousy start after being staked to a 3-0 lead. Mitchell had 2 hits, including a triple. and had 2 RBI, Wilkins has 2 hits including his 2nd homer, he is coming around real well and skipped Kanny level. Martinez is just raking after 2 years of being hurt.
Winston-Salem, Game #2, won 3-2 on a Mitchell walkoff homer. Serafin started, so-so, Reed did well in his first High A ball appearance. Kussmaul having a nice year, another one of those undrafted FA pitchers the org seems to find.
Kannapolis, Game #1, won 8-7 with 2 in bottom of 7th, Moran clobbered again. Upchurch and Ballinger have been real good in the pen this year. Trayce Thompson, 1-4, Silverio stays hot, Blanke getting hot.
Kannapolis, Game #2, won 8-7 with 2 in bottom of 7th again! Not a great start for Buch, but ok. Jacob Wilson is another one doing well out of the pen for Kanny this year so far. Thompson 2-5, Blanke had 4 hits including his 2nd homer, 3 hits for Black who is also getting hot of late.
Winston-Salem lost 14-7, Doyle with bad start. Up against the "Rat", Mr Rasner who used to be a Sox. Also, ex-Illini WR Kyle Hudson had a good game for the opposition.
Kannapolis won 13-6. Petricka got hit a bit but went 6 good innings. Trayce Thompson, we are going to like this kid. HBP to lead off the game, comes back up in the 2nd and hits a 3 run homer. He was 3-4 with the HBP. Drew Lee continues his hot hitting since joining the club.
If you mean Mychal Thompson, the ex-NBA PF/C, then yes Trayce is one of his sons.
BTW, Mychal Thompson is Bahamian, not puertorican. :)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Joshpr on April 26, 2011, 10:19:42 pm
I know it's spelled crazy like that, word corrector changed it. And lol on the puertorican thing, actually I didn't know Thompson was from the Bahamas
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 26, 2011, 11:11:54 pm
**The Chicago White Sox promoted right-handed pitching prospect Addison Reed from Low-A Kannapolis to High-A Winston-Salem, where he threw two shutout innings of relief on April 23rd. He now has 10 innings pitched combined at the two levels, giving up four hits, one run, one walk, with 14 strikeouts. Drafted in the third round out of San Diego State last year, Reed closed in 2009 but started last year in college. The Sox seem to think he'll advanced more quickly as a reliever, due to outstanding command of his low-90s fastball, slider, and curve. His arsenal is diverse enough to start, but he throws harder when used in the bullpen. Personally, I'd use him as a starter until he proves he can't handle it, but he could reach the majors within a year as a reliever.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 27, 2011, 08:03:48 am
The "other" pitcher we traded with Hudson to DBacks for Edwin
• Low Class A South Bend lefty David Holmberg (Diamondbacks) struck out a career-high 12 batters in seven innings of work. He allowed two runs (both unearned) on four hits and took the loss because his Silver Hawks teammates scored only one run.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 27, 2011, 08:06:10 am
CHICAGO—Considering that the White Sox dealt with an array of relief problems during the first two weeks of the regular season, it might not be long before former starting pitcher Anthony Carter gets a shot to display his talents.
Carter, 25, has embarked on his second season as a reliever at Triple-A Charlotte and hadn't allowed a run in his first two appearances for the Knights while striking out three in four innings.
Carter's acceptance and adapting to relief after four minor league seasons as a starter could help him advance.
"I didn't have to preserve myself so I could go six innings," said Carter, who signed as a draft-and-follow as a 26th-round pick out of Georgia Perimeter College in the 2005 draft. "I was out there for one or two innings, and whatever I had in the tank was what I put out there."
Carter made a strong impression in spring training but was blocked out of a veteran bullpen. The coaching staff, however, was aware of his success for Team USA in the Pan Am qualifying tournament last fall and in the Arizona Fall League.
Carter credited Double-A pitching coach J.R. Perdew and pitching coordinators Kirk Champion and Curt Hasler with helping him make a smooth transition.
"He didn't look at it as a demotion," Champion said. "He looked at it as an opportunity. So that was the first hurdle he had to clear. He started being more aggressive and becoming more of a 'I'm coming at you' mentality rather than as a starter where he's moving the fastball around and changing speeds, He really took to it. He was never afraid to throw inside as a starter.
"He takes the mound with confidence because he knows he's prepared and doesn't think about being a reliever instead of a starter."
CHI-LITES
• To replace Jerry Krause as their director of international scouting, the White Sox will train several evaluators—including Dominican academy coordinator Rafael Santana, Dominican scout Guillermo Reyes and Venezuelan scout Amador Arias—in the "White Sox way," general manager Ken Williams said. Those scouts will work with amateur and pro scouts and prepare in case a worldwide draft becomes part of the next Basic Agreement, Williams said.
• Third baseman Jon Gilmore and shortstop Tyler Saladino were in extended spring training recovering from hand injuries. Gilmore could resume playing by the end of April, while Saladino was expected to return in May.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on April 27, 2011, 08:19:13 am
how could Carter be any worse than Pena?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 27, 2011, 08:24:12 am
Carter not doing too well in AAA yet. I would bring up Kinney or Bruney if we needed someone.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Sophist on April 27, 2011, 03:26:57 pm
"the White Sox will train several evaluators—including Dominican academy coordinator Rafael Santana, Dominican scout Guillermo Reyes and Venezuelan scout Amador Arias—in the "White Sox way,"
Given the problems they've had with international player recruitment, is this a good idea?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 27, 2011, 03:57:29 pm
LOL, yeah, good question
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 27, 2011, 05:58:18 pm
Charlotte lost 8-5, Dolsi took the loss. Charlotte appears to have a good bullpen. Viciedo hit another homer among his 2 hits, but he had 2 errors in RF too. Danks and Lucy also homered.
Winston-Salem lost 4-2, Santiago with a so-so start. Homers for Wilkins and Martinez, Martinez is still over .400. Mitchell had a double with 2 Ks in 4 ABs.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on April 27, 2011, 07:22:58 pm
I wouldn't object if they brought up Nunez and dumped Pena
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 28, 2011, 08:43:31 pm
Charlotte won 6-3. Hynick started and got the win. Kinney and Bruney are both sitting in the pen with 0.00 ERA, we have some tough pens in our org. Flowers had a 3-run homer off Millwood among his 2 hits. Gallagher had 3 hits. DeAza had 2.
Birmingham won 5-3, Nevin Griffith with the start and 1st AA win. Remenowsky and Infante are really tough in the pen for this team. Kuhn with 2 hits, he is a hitting machine this year. Gilmore back, DHing, 1-3 with a SF. Marrero had a good game
Kannapolis, Game #2, won 3-1, however in a rain shortened 6 inning game. Buch with the CG, nice start. Thompson 0-2, but HBP to leadoff the game and score their first run. Shoemaker and Ross Wilson had good games, Drew Lee stays very hot.
Harrell you're ticket to Chicago is waiting for you
I sure hope not. I doubt we see Harrell back on the Sox. He pissed them off this spring, and he is not doing much. I would rather see Kinney or Bruney.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Joshpr on April 28, 2011, 09:22:33 pm
Anybody is better than Pena
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on April 29, 2011, 06:58:58 am
I see ...... the ABP theory
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 30, 2011, 12:29:14 pm
Charlotte won 6-5 in 10 innings. Peavy went 5+ innings giving up 7 hits, 3 runs, 0 walks, 8 Ks. McPherson had the game winning homer among his 2 hits. Flowers had another homer and 2 walks. Danks hit another homer too to tie it in the 8th.
Birmingham won 1-0, Zaleski went 7 very nice innings, Remenowsky went the final 2 for the win, Phegley drove in game winner in bottom of 9th after Short had doubled.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 02, 2011, 07:18:31 pm
Charlotte is down 5-4 in the 2nd, looking like a real shootout. Marquez throwing his slop out there tonight. Escobar hit a homer, Gookie Dawkins hit his 6th, Gookie for Gordon.
Birmingham just started, I see KWJr still hitting leadoff at under .200 while Kuhn moved down the lineup to make room for him. Nepotism at its best. Leesman with the start
Charlotte lost 18-12. Marquez throwing his slop out there tonight as did the pen. Escobar hit 2 homers, Gookie Dawkins hit his 6th and 7th, Gookie for Gordon.
MSF, looking forward to getting a top 5 pick in next year's draft?
What, and take another Beckham, no thanks
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 04, 2011, 05:01:08 pm
Beckham is our Corey Patterson
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 04, 2011, 05:15:13 pm
Brent Morel is our Joe Borchard. oh wait, Joe Borchard was our Joe Borchard.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 04, 2011, 06:39:32 pm
we got nothin, no good Major Leaguers, our prospects suck and never pan out. I am done. Cannot take it anymore. Cripes, we trade for a perennial 40-homer per year guy, and he goes to absolute ****. Course he had appendicitis and we put him out there too soon. Trade for Peavy and force him to play too soon, likely **** him up too. Gotta love it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on May 04, 2011, 06:58:06 pm
So you are saying that if we had any good prospects down there they would be on the trade market for more busts.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on May 05, 2011, 05:33:48 am
We're screwed for the foreseeable future! Whoopee!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on May 05, 2011, 10:20:13 am
Brent Morel is our Joe Borchard. oh wait, Joe Borchard was our Joe Borchard.
I'm actually not worried about Morel. I remember Robin Ventura's grand debut. Morel has figured it out at every level, and his approach is conducive to adjusting. Beckham is much more of a concern, because he seemed to have it figured out in the second half last year. Morel was expected to need some time, guys like Rios, Dunn and Beckham were supposed to be carrying the load right now. At least Rios is starting to show life.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 05, 2011, 12:28:42 pm
At least Rios is starting to show life.
"Mourning" Phil says Rios has been nursing a bad big toe. If true, me no happy that he's been trying to play through it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on May 05, 2011, 12:31:26 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on May 06, 2011, 03:52:18 pm
What talent?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 08, 2011, 04:46:02 pm
In a Winston-Salem win today, Jared Mitchell was 0-5 with 5 Ks. Now that is a prospect!!!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on May 08, 2011, 05:12:46 pm
Careful that might get the ire of Shoeless. Cant speak badly of Mitchell like that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 08, 2011, 06:47:12 pm
gee... a failed two star college player drafted in the first round by the wsox... color me shocked.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 09, 2011, 10:37:33 am
Our OF of the future, Mitchell was 0-5 with 5 Ks, Thompson 0-4 with 4 Ks and Danks, who used to K more than either one, but they are even worse than he was. What an org I tell ya, what a franchise. May as well get contracted from the league, we will never be able to compete.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 10, 2011, 12:32:18 pm
**Another outfield prospect who missed all of 2010 is White Sox '09 first-rounder Jared Mitchell. Unlike Pollock, Mitchell is seriously struggling this year, hitting just .205/.250/.385 in 117 at-bats for High-A Winston-Salem, with a horrible 6/46 BB/K. He was always raw for a college guy and while he always struck out a lot, he also drew walks at LSU and in Low-A. That has completely left him this year. He's also stolen just three bases in six attempts, and while the word is he hasn't lost the speed he had before his horrible ankle injury last spring, it sure isn't showing up in the numbers. He's in a very deep slump currently, 6-for-40 (.150) in his last 10 games, with 20 strikeouts.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on May 10, 2011, 02:11:26 pm
Boy Shoe will get you for that. He will tell ya that Mitchell isnt a bust.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 10, 2011, 03:07:39 pm
He did have a year off... not going to call him a bust till we see what he does the rest of the year... but its not good to see him struggling quite this much... esp when guys like pollock seem to be pushing the rust off a lot faster.
If he ends the season on a 6-40 with 20Ks streak hes a bust for sure.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 11, 2011, 01:26:39 pm
Sox minor leaguers have been playing well since I quit posting their boxscores. So I am not going to jinx them. I would like to see the following under the links topic however, if Andy sees this. Can you link this rather than the link you have for posting minor league scores, or in addition to. Thanks
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 13, 2011, 07:11:27 pm
remember this guy, also in the Swisher trade to the A's besides Gonzalez and Sweeney, in fact this kid was the one that was rated our top prospect
Post-Tommy John surgery Fautino de los Santos thrived after moving to the bullpen last season. The 25-year-old earned his promotion by striking out 14.5 batters per nine innings for Double-A Midland this season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 13, 2011, 07:14:45 pm
• Jared Mitchell, cf, White Sox. Mitchell hasn't been able to catch up to Carolina League pitching yet after missing the 2010 season with a torn tendon in his left ankle. The 22-year-old is hitting just .202/.243/.372 through 129 at-bats with high Class A Winston-Salem and has had severe problems making contact. Mitchell has struck out 50 times, tied for the most in the minors, while drawing just six walks in 137 plate appearances. He's also struck out at least once in 20 consecutive games. Mitchell struck out 13 times this week while hitting .160/.160/.320 (4-for-25) with one home run and one double.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on May 15, 2011, 12:45:04 pm
When is Remenowsky going to get a shot? Sick numbers at Birm.
Also, Dayan hot, and Danks quietly having a very good season. Flowers has bounced back well too.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 15, 2011, 07:17:13 pm
Expect Viciedo back by Tuesday if Teahen goes on the DL.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on May 15, 2011, 10:26:10 pm
Teahen has a strained oblique... its worse then he originally let on...
Or better, as your opinion may be.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 16, 2011, 10:33:52 am
Org now +9, nice week. We were down to +1 the last time I checked and were sinking fast, so I quit putting up the boxscores. We had a nice week, in fact Sunday we went 4-0.
Charlotte is on a roll and now only 2 under .500, Birmingham is 4 over, W-S is 2 under and Kanny is 9 over and in first place.
Charlotte had real nice weeks from Danks and Viciedo. Their pitching seems to be coming around too, Harrell had a nice start, Marquez has been good and the pen has been solid all year.
Birmingham just makes me scratch my head, KWJr is the weak link in the lineup, yet they continue to lead him off. The fastest guy in the org, Greene, is hitting almost .300 and really hot of late. Marrero having a good season and Kuhn is staying over .300. Infante was untouchable for them, he just went to Charlotte, but Remenowsky has been superb. Starting rotation has been good except for Nevin Griffith, might be time to release him.
At Winston-Salem Mitchell is struggling, but he had a big 2-run homer in the 9th the other night to push a game into extra innings that W-S won. He just needs to start improving, I still think he has a chance. The guy had a great eye in college, you just do not lose that. Saladino just got off DL and is going to be a good SS, Wilkins is doing well after skipping Low A ball. Martinez has been real hot this year after 2 years of injuries and barely any playtime. Their rotation is good, all 5 doing well. Addison Reed and Taylor Thompson solidify the pen.
Kannapolis is the real surprise. Trayce Thompson is the biggest story, not hitting great yet, but he is hitting with some power and not striking out at an alarming rate thus far. Shoemaker having a solid year as is Silverio at 3B and Russ Wilson at 2B. Drew Lee is hitting a ton and playing 2B a lot too. Blanke is probably our best C option in the minors. Pitching has been good, now that Moran is back in closer role rather than starting. Heidenreich and Buch are doing quite well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 16, 2011, 01:07:41 pm
Haven;t had time to look at the box scores lately, but i sure hope Viciedo has been playing in LF some lately.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 16, 2011, 01:28:22 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 19, 2011, 03:36:56 pm
White Sox vice chairman Einhorn will be joined by Daryl Boston as the club's representatives for this year's Draft. Boston, who currently is working in his 11th year as the organization's Minor League outfield instructor, was the inaugural White Sox top pick under the current ownership regime. Boston was taken with the seventh pick overall in 1981, and reached the Majors in 1984 with the White Sox.
Draft Central
The White Sox do not have a first-round pick this year, with their 23rd selection overall going to the Washington Nationals as a result of the free-agent signing of designated hitter Adam Dunn. But when the White Sox make their first pick at No. 47, in compensation round A for Arizona's signing of closer J.J. Putz, Einhorn and Boston will be introduced and make the announcement of this particular selection.
Live coverage of the 2011 First-Year Player Draft begins with a one-hour preview show on Monday, June 6, at 5 p.m. CT on MLB.com and MLB Network, followed by the first round and supplemental compensation round. MLB.com will provide exclusive coverage of Day 2 and 3, featuring a live pick-by-pick stream, expert commentary and Draft Tracker, a live interactive application that includes a searchable database of every Draft-eligible player.
You can also keep up to date at Draft Central and by following @MLBDraft on Twitter. And get into the Draft conversation by tagging your tweets with #mlbdraft.
Reps for other teams also have a White Sox connection. Roland Hemond will be there for Arizona, Ralph Garr for the Braves, Roberto Hernandez for the Rays and Roberto Alomar for the Blue Jays.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on May 19, 2011, 04:29:17 pm
The White Sox released center fielder turned left-handed pitcher Miguel Negron, according to Matt Eddy of Baseball America (on Twitter). The 2000 first rounder struggled through seven relief appearances at Class A, walking more than he struck out and posting a 6.23 ERA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 20, 2011, 12:49:44 am
I'll bet whoever our first pick is... its a college pitcher or a 2 sport position player.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 20, 2011, 05:47:09 am
Lastings Milledge ejected after involvement in fight during the Charlotte Knights 10-2 win over Toledo.
The Charlotte Knights rode three home runs and another strong pitching performance from Lucas Harrell to a 10-2 win Thursday night against the visiting Toledo Mud Hens. The Knights have won six of their past seven games and 10 of their past 14.
The Knights pounded out 10 runs off 12 hits, including three home runs in the seventh inning off reliever Lester Oliveros. With two outs in the inning, Eduardo Escobar hit a solo homer to left center. Two batters later, Dayan Viciedo hit a two-run homer to right field for his team-high 34th RBI. Michael Restovich hit the final home run.
Harrell (3-2) pitched 51/3 innings, allowing two unearned runs, and struck out four.
We need to promote Milledge and have him teach Pierre how to get ejected.
Yet another reason we need to have Karma points reinstated.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on May 20, 2011, 10:46:49 am
What combination of words in the same thought, like night and day, Milledge and karma.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 20, 2011, 11:56:32 am
Krama can be bad too... so i dont get that last post... that would be negative points for you wshfl!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on May 20, 2011, 12:03:12 pm
Gee, Viciedo hit a two-run homer. Imagine that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 01, 2011, 01:06:04 pm
FYI,
For Wishful, Phegley has steadily improved this year, and some of the pitchers are giving him a lot of credit for the type of game he is calling. He might have a chance after all.
Mitchell with a walkoff 2-run double last night, he has been real hot of late, walking more and striking out less. Despite his average he must have about 3-4 game winning hits now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 01, 2011, 01:14:41 pm
Anything else interesting happening down on the farm? Been too busy to check lately.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 02, 2011, 08:01:00 am
For Wishful, Phegley has steadily improved this year, and some of the pitchers are giving him a lot of credit for the type of game he is calling. He might have a chance after all.
Thats great to hear. TYVM
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Post by: msf on June 02, 2011, 02:41:35 pm
Anything else interesting happening down on the farm? Been too busy to check lately.
The teams are doing ok. Trayce Thompson is up to 10 homers and also 10-12 doubles now, still hitting about .225, but they moved him from leadoff to #3 spot. Mitchell doing real well of late, as mentioned above. Doyle pitching very well at W-S, Petricka was our best at Kanny but he is now on DL, not sure how bad he is?? Barons finally moved KWJr out of the leadoff slot, but they continue to play him every day despite his .175 average, a guy who goes to all their games says he is the most unathletic player he has ever seen in AA. Said he is worse player than Jordan was. Runs like he has a piano on his back (I can relate to that).
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Post by: BlackSox on June 06, 2011, 09:42:35 pm
Sox take a "toolsy" outfielder with their first pick. Keenyn Walker.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 06, 2011, 09:43:54 pm
switch hitter from Central AZ CC
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Post by: ISF on June 06, 2011, 09:49:08 pm
Probably Greg's son. Do Kenny and Ozzie have any more kids that can waste roster space in the minors?
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Post by: the Law on June 06, 2011, 11:56:15 pm
Hey guys. Here is the info on our first pick. Baseball America's 92nd Ranked Prospect
Keenyn Walker, of Central Arizona JC Walker was drafted in the 16th round out of high school in Utah in 2009 and last year at Central Arizona, in the 38th round. Scouts have always been intrigued by the 6-foot-3 switch-hitter with standout tools and impressive athleticism. The raw tools don't always translate on the baseball field, however, and he didn't even start regularly last year. This year is a different story. Walker has performed well with wood and he should get more than the $250,000 he reportedly turned down out of high school. Walker has more power from the right side, but his lefthanded swing is more pure. He's mostly a gap hitter with above-average speed, so he profiles as a good defensive center fielder. He has the speed to hit at the top of the order, but needs to cut down on his strikeouts. If he doesn't sign, Walker will head to Utah.
Also Brian Goodwin (our unsigned 16th round pick from 2009) went #34 overall.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 07, 2011, 07:00:47 am
Sounds like a stretch for where we were picking, whattya think Law?
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2011, 08:52:21 am
Sounds like we are continually searching for a CFer. How many drafts in a row does this make?
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Post by: josephc on June 07, 2011, 09:08:44 am
Sounds like we are continually searching for a CFer. How many drafts in a row does this make?
In the first round, you mean?
It's the first since Mitchell in '09, who was the first since Brian N. Anderson in '03.
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Post by: josephc on June 07, 2011, 09:12:36 am
We also picked Jordan Danks in '08 (5th round?) and Trayce Thompson in '09 (2nd)
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2011, 09:39:42 am
And the question you have to ask yourself is which one of all of those guys mentioned has made it to the big team and played like the player we drafted? If they were we wouldnt continue to keep searching.
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Post by: josephc on June 07, 2011, 09:49:55 am
And the question you have to ask yourself is which one of all of those guys mentioned has made it to the big team and played like the player we drafted? If they were we wouldnt continue to keep searching.
You could say that about any player, really.
I do think that we should be trotting out Lil'Beast in CF every day, moving Rios to one of the corners.
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2011, 10:28:15 am
Rios played RF in Toronto. I dont have a problem with that. That would correct the defensive liability in RF. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: josephc on June 07, 2011, 10:52:09 am
Rios played RF in Toronto. I dont have a problem with that. That would correct the defensive liability in RF. ;D ;D ;D
Figured you'd take it there....
I'd like to bench Pierre, shift Quentin to LF, and move Rios to RF.
...but let's not cloud MSF's thread with any more "old guy" talk....
"old guy" talk? Now watch that stuff. That'd make my blood pressure rise to unsafe levels.
But back to the issue you brought up. Moving Quentin back to LF has already been tried and proven to be a failure. Quentin in LF isnt an improvement over Pierre defensively. That was proven last year. And Pierre lately has been decent both with the bat and in the field.
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Post by: josephc on June 07, 2011, 12:08:21 pm
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Post by: msf on June 07, 2011, 01:51:42 pm
Thanks for posting the draft info, I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2011, 02:30:49 pm
No problemo.
More from our friends at Future Sox:
5 (171): Scott Snodgress, LHP, Stanford The Sox have taken four pitchers in a row, and three of them project as relievers. Snodgress, like McMillen, was solely a reliever this year. 31 IP, 4.65 ERA, 38 K, 28 BB, 27 H. Similar stats as a sophomore. 6-5, 210. Velocity fell back to low 90s this spring. Has good curve and change. Confidence being mentioned as a problem in scouting reports.
6 (201): Marcus Semien (heh), SS, R/R, Cal Hit .272/.362/.394 with 27 BB and 36 K in 213 AB this year as a junior. 6-1, 190. 8/13 in stolen bases. .328/.400/.497 as a sophomore. Initial guess would be he didn't like the new metal bat rules this year in college ball. Solid defender, BA says he might need to move to 2B though. Hit .302 with 18 2B, 43 BB, 31 K in 222 AB. in the Northwoods League, a good wood bat league, last summer. Cal player bio
7 (231): Kevan Smith, C, R/R, Pitt Two-time first team Big East and two-time All Big East Tournament team. 6-3, 240. Hit .397/.465/.675 this year as a senior. OPS .900+ in his three years as a starter. Big power bat with football background. Could stay at position. BA says profiles well as a backup. Pitt player bio
8 (261): Ian Gardeck, RHP, Angelina JC (TX) Local kid from Crystal Lake South High School. 6-2, 215. BA ranks him No. 171 overall prospect. Profiled as first rounder before bad spring. Started college career at Dayton. Redshirted in '09. In 2010: 27.1 IP, 5.93 ERA, 25 K, 25 BB, 26 H. Mid 90s fastball and potentially plus slider as a reliever. Started pitching as a junior in high school, needs to improve mechanics. Alabama commit.
9 (291): Matthew Lane, LHP, Northwest Florida State College
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Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2011, 03:12:37 pm
9 (291): Matthew Lane, LHP, 6-5, 195, NW Florida State Coll. 8-5, 2.17 ERA, 92 K, 34 BB, 79 H in 99.1 IP this spring. 6-5, 195. Outside BA's top 100 Florida prospects. Pitched for Mississippi State as a freshman in 2010: 12 IP, 5.25 ERA, 9 K, 12 BB, 13 H.
10 (321): Benjamin O'Shea, LHP, 6-5, 255, Santa Fe CC (FL) 3.03 ERA with 98 K, 15 BB and 57 H in 65.1 IP this spring. BA ranks him the No. 49 prospect in Florida. Typically sat in the upper 80s, but his frame obviously gives hope for a velocity bump. Good change, mediocre curve. Maryland commit.
11 (351): Blair Walters, LHP, 6-0, 200, Hawaii The college senior makes it three LHP in a row. Reliever. 4.14 ERA, 34 K, 17 BB, 42 H in 41.1 IP. As a junior: 35.2 IP, 7.07 ERA, 35 K, 12 H, 47 H. Transferred to Hawaii after two years of JuCo ball. Throws a hard sinker in low 90s, needs to develop secondary pitches.
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Post by: Joshpr on June 07, 2011, 04:02:45 pm
The guy we picked in the second round scouting says his fastball is mid 90's... Watch him be at 88 when n he gets to rookie league
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Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2011, 04:19:25 pm
12 (381): Andrew Virgili, RHP, 6-2, 205, Lynn U. (DII) 2.35 ERA, 94 K, 25 BB, 86 H in 95.2 IP (14 starts) as a junior this spring. Struggled in two years of JuCo ball before transferring to Lynn. Lynn player bio
13 (411): Chadd Krist, C, R/R, 5-11, 199, Cal That makes three Cal Bears drafted by the Sox today. Hit .306/.386/.444 with 27 BB and 32 K in 216 as a junior this spring. Struggled as a freshman but hit .344/.422/.609 as a sophomore. BA says strong arm with good agility behind the plate and is a hard worker. Defense sounds solid, but the bat is the question mark. Cal player bio
14 (441): Mark Ginther, 3B, R/R, 6-3, 200, Oklahoma St. Hit .292/.337/.517 with 16 BB and 34 K in 236 AB as a junior this spring. .320/.369/.569 as a sophomore (notice the trend yet? bat changes killed offensive numbers this year). Big power bat with good athleticism and arm strength. Also pitched and played football in high school. BA says could have been taken in top three rounds out of high school, but needs to improve his approach at the plate. Too aggressive. Ok State player bio (says he's a Cubs fan). MLB.com's scouting video
15 (471): David Herbek, SS, R/R, 6-1, 180, James Madison Hit .362/.443/.672 with 15 HR, 24 BB and 30 K in 229 AB this spring as a senior. 13/17 in stolen bases. BA says he has a chance to stick at SS. Big pop from SS. JMU player bio
16 (501): Chris Bassitt, RHP, 6-5, 205, Akron The fourth-year junior made 28 relief appearances for the Zips this year. 1.42 ERA, 48 K, 15 BB, 24 H in 38 IP with 7 saves. Throws a low 90s sinker and a slider from a 3/4 arm angle.
17 (531): Collin Kuhn, OF, R/R, 6-0, 195, Arkansas Another fourth-year junior and another four-year college player. Hit .282/.370/.466 with 22 steals in 24 attempts. Hit .336 with 15 HR as a sophomore. Good speed, but weak arm.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: boatdrink on June 07, 2011, 04:44:21 pm
Crap. I saw "walker in shock" in the link and thought we finally canned our hitting coach...
Blah.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2011, 05:11:03 pm
I cant remember the last switchhitter we had in the organization.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2011, 05:42:21 pm
18 (561): Bryan Blough, RHP, 6-1, 190, Kennesaw State BA says fastball 88-92 with a decent slider. 3.61 ERA, 84 K, 20 BB, 94 hits in 84.2 IP this year as a senior. 10.29 ERA in 28 innings as a junior after two years at JuCo. Kennesaw player bio
19 (591): Kevin Vance, RHP, 6-0, 205, Connecticut Vance is another reliever in the White Sox draft class. 1.57 ERA, 31 K, 6 BB, 13 H in 28.2 IP. The junior is the closer on the UConn team that won the Clemson Regional last weekend. Low 90s fastball, but inconsistent velocity. BA says good curve and decent change. 19:5 K:BB in 18 IP with a 0.50 ERA in the Cape Cod League last summer. UConn player bio
20 (621): Martin Medina, C/1B, R/R, 6-0, 195, Cal State Bakersfield Hit .287/.362/.478 with 26 BB, 37 K and 9 HR in 209 AB. The junior also pitched and struck out 45 in 33.2 IP this year out of the bullpen. Bakersfield player bio
21 (651): Joe De Pinto, 2B, R/R, 6-1, 190, USC The senior hit .300/.409/.379 with 9 steals this spring. Similar numbers throughout his career. USC player bio
22 (681): Blake Drake, RHP, 6-7, 195, Indiana St. The Sox probably got some looks at Drake when scouting Jacob Petricka last year. The senior made four starts and 22 relief appearances as a senior. He struck out 37, walked 21 and allowed 50 hits in 49 innings for a 4.78 ERA. BA ranks him the No. 15 draft eligible prospect in the state of Indiana. Indiana State player bio
23 (711): Mike Marjama, C, R/R, 6-2, 205, Long Beach St. This is the fourth catcher the Sox have drafted. Hit .290/.329/.378 as a junior after two years at JuCo. BA rates him as the No. 99 prospect in Southern California. LBSU player bio
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Joshpr on June 08, 2011, 05:32:47 pm
Read somewhere he's compared to Devon white?
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Post by: msf on June 08, 2011, 05:36:02 pm
I had comparisons to Daryl Boston, you know, Boston is like KWs best pal.
J/K on the comparison to Boston.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Joshpr on June 08, 2011, 06:59:02 pm
Bastage!!!! You just gave me nightmares!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 09, 2011, 01:52:41 pm
Looks like Jon Gilmore got promoted to AA.
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Post by: msf on June 09, 2011, 04:46:30 pm
he's been there all year, just on the DL then off for a week, and then back on. Got hit in the wrist with pitches both times.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 09, 2011, 04:49:28 pm
My Duh. Thought he started with the Dash, and just assumed...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2011, 04:54:04 pm
nah, his year has been a waste. We have had more guys get hit in the wrist. BA, not that it mattered, Beckham, Quentin twice. One thing bother me about Trayce Thompson, he gets a lot of HBPs as well.
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Post by: ISF on June 13, 2011, 01:33:28 pm
Poreda DFA'd. Interesting write-up on other 2009 prospects and their fates here:
The White Sox claimed lefty Leyson Septimo off waivers from the Diamondbacks and optioned him to Double-A, tweets the team. As the team with the fewest players on their 40-man roster (36) the Sox had plenty of room to make the addition. Meanwhile, Arizona's 40-man count drops to 38.
Septimo, 25, has a 6.37 ERA, 6.7 K/9, 7.6 BB/9, and 0.3 HR/9 in 29 2/3 relief innings at Double-A this year. Prior to the 2010 season, Baseball America ranked Septimo 26th among Diamondbacks prospects. The former outfielder was converted to the mound after the '07 season and can touch triple digits with his fastball, according to BA. The White Sox currently have a position player conversion success story in their own bullpen, closer Sergio Santos.
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Post by: ISF on June 14, 2011, 11:44:32 am
The D'Backs have acquired right-hander Gaby Hernandez from the White Sox, reports the official Twitter feed of the Reno Aces, Arizona's Triple-A affiliate. Hernandez had a 7.69 ERA in 11 starts at Triple-A Charlotte this season and he has a career ERA of 5.76 in 81 Triple-A games.
Arizona is Hernandez's fifth organization in 17 months. He was a Mariner, a Red Sock, and a Royal within a little over a month's time in early 2010, and then he was dealt to the White Sox last March. Hernandez was originally taken in the third round of the 2004 amateur draft by the Mets.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 14, 2011, 12:57:04 pm
Red Sock
Shame shame shame on whoever wrote that.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 14, 2011, 01:12:54 pm
But if it annoys even one "Red Sox Nation" deuche, it will have been worth it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 15, 2011, 09:07:05 am
Org is back up to +8 in the minors now. Had a good week.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 20, 2011, 08:45:48 pm
Erik Johnson pitched three good innings in the CWS the other day:
Yup gotta showcase him before the trading deadline
Nope, he'll be an everyday player once he comes up. Kenny and Ozzie will want that bat in the lineup.
They had a golden opportunity with the Danks injury but didnt opting for a AA LH pitcher.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 26, 2011, 02:07:54 pm
Its been pretty well publicized hes not being brought up due to the service time game... so i dont think they missed any sort of opportunity...
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Post by: BlackSox on June 27, 2011, 01:01:12 pm
A conspiracy theory of sorts has the White Sox intentionally leaving top prospect Dayan Viciedo at Class AAA Charlotte until some unnamed date this week to ensure he won’t eclipse a full year of service time.
That, in turn, would allow the Sox to delay Viciedo’s free agency by a year.
One source scoffed at the logic, considering Viciedo accumulated only 83 days of major-league service last season and couldn’t become a free agent until amassing the required six years.
That is a long, long ways off.
“There is no magic date next week,” the source said Saturday. “I have seen some of the speculation out there, but a lot of it is based upon not having a full understanding of the rules.”
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Post by: Sophist on June 27, 2011, 03:42:51 pm
fangraphs had a report on players' prime years. Can't remember the specifics, but their conclusion was that, basically, pitchers should come up as soon as they are even close to being ready. Prime years were something like 21-27. For hitters, it was actually older, more like 24-30. The super-2 thing is not an issue, but Kenny may be very closely looking at the value Viciedo may have in 2011, and thinking why waste a year toward free agency, when he may just be getting in his prime then.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 27, 2011, 03:56:45 pm
If he is, that's the wrong thing to look at. With improvements needed and no money to spend, he has to look at the farm.
Pierre's VORP tells us that any schmoe would be better than he.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 27, 2011, 04:16:23 pm
VORP doesn't measure heart, BlackSox, you bastard.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 27, 2011, 04:35:49 pm
VORP doesn't measure heart, BlackSox, you bastard.
But it does measure "grindiness".
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 27, 2011, 05:10:31 pm
hahaa, drongo. . . .
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 28, 2011, 02:34:05 pm
In April 2010, the White Sox signed pitcher Dylan Axelrod — nephew of agent Barry Axelrod — to a minor league, free-agent contract, probably for organizational depth.
But they may have found themselves a player. The 25-year-old Axelrod recently moved up to Triple-A Charlotte, where he's made 2 starts and allowed 2 earned runs in 13⅔ innings with 13 strikeouts against 2 walks and a 0.951 WHIP.
“He's dealing right now,” said Jake Peavy, who saw Axelrod at Charlotte. “He's throwing about 93 (mph) and locating. He's going to pitch in the big leagues.”
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Post by: msf on July 01, 2011, 04:34:15 pm
Thanks Dude.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 04, 2011, 08:41:44 am
Twins and Indians just signed very high profile kids from Latin America. I think the Indians OF was from Venezuela. Our org just keeps slipping further and further behind.
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Post by: msf on July 06, 2011, 01:27:18 pm
That SS from California that we took with in the 5th round or so, Marcus Semien, he is good. Hitting well out of the shute, although he has made 3 errors. But he is contributing right away at Low A ball with Kannapolis. Maybe our worst Great Falls team in a long time, Bristol is so-so.
Glad to see Dan Black contributing at Kanny too, he had not done much since we drafted him out of Purdue. He and Shoemaker having solid years at Kanny.
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Post by: WshflThinking on July 06, 2011, 03:26:12 pm
Shoemaker is supposed to be very good.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 08, 2011, 02:21:15 pm
The URL says Boston, the story says Houston. So the curtains don't match the drapes, as it were. But there you have it.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 08, 2011, 04:37:57 pm
we release the stiff yet felt he was good enough recently to pitch for the big club
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 13, 2011, 09:23:21 pm
Mitchell finally starting to get it I think, still Ks a lot but his last 10 games
OBP .465 Slg .714 OPS 1.179
Now hitting .235 for the season, does not sound that great but this guy was down in the .170s not long ago. 2 more hits tonight too, both doubles. Showing extra base power and also seems to get big hits, several game winners.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on July 13, 2011, 10:25:22 pm
Give him a week or so and he will drop back down. We'll just send Walker down to visit him.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 13, 2011, 11:14:48 pm
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Post by: Sophist on July 16, 2011, 10:48:55 pm
Quote
Now hitting .235 for the season, does not sound that great but this guy was down in the .170s not long ago.
Sounds like he's been prepared appropriately for a career as a White Sox.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 01, 2011, 03:21:48 pm
Everyone knows KW has a son playing in AA, the worst player on the team, hitting below .200 for the season and one poster on SoxTalk who attends all the Barons games says the kid runs with a piano on his back (I know how that is).
Now, we picked up Tyler Williams, his younger son, who was just released by DBacks after 24 ABs in Rookie League with 20 Ks among them. This is really getting ridiculous. I am ready to can KW, I cannot stand nepotism. I understand very few minor leaguers make it, but give one a chance that has a slight chance of making it.
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Post by: Method on August 01, 2011, 03:57:17 pm
Its Ozzies fault.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Sophist on August 01, 2011, 04:12:49 pm
In all fairness, the kid runs much better without the piano.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 05, 2011, 11:40:47 pm
The Jared Mitchell Watch:
thru games of August 5, 2011
Team League AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB K SB CS OBP SLG OPS
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 06, 2011, 06:27:25 am
They need to call the kid up so he can work with Walker. He couldnt be worse than Rios
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 07, 2011, 10:39:10 am
After a terrible start, Jared Mitchell is starting to regain his batting stroke that made him a first-round pick of the Chicago White Sox in the 2009 draft.
Mitchell had a nine-game hitting streak end Friday night for Class-A Winston-Salem in a 10-0 victory over Frederick. Mitchell batted .353 with four doubles and one triple and stole four bases during the streak.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 07, 2011, 01:38:03 pm
Saw that but he is still only batting .239. We'll see what the rest of the season holds for Mitchell, but at least he seems to be getting better. Shall we send Walker down to help him?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 09, 2011, 09:27:02 am
Saw that but he is still only batting .239. We'll see what the rest of the season holds for Mitchell, but at least he seems to be getting better. Shall we send Walker down to help him?
The kid missed all of last season. He dug himself a very large hole with a sub .170 avg for a long stretch. Getting his average up to .239 is actually quite impressive considering where he was.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on August 09, 2011, 09:48:44 am
he is doing a lot better... pretty sure he was sub .100 for the first month of the season
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 09, 2011, 12:46:11 pm
Didnt I say he seems to be getting better? Somebody miss that?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 09, 2011, 07:24:59 pm
Sounded like you were dinging him to me when you said he was "just hitting .239"
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 09, 2011, 10:07:38 pm
Well .239 doesnt exude confidence, so I took a wait and see approach by saying lets see how he finishes up the rest of the season. You need to stop reading things into what I say..
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Post by: msf on August 10, 2011, 12:17:42 pm
sure thing cap'n.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 21, 2011, 07:26:51 am
Was out all week on the annual fishing/camping trip.
Trayce Thompson has been en fuego, up to 22 or 23 homers, must have hit 5 in the past week.
Sox once again were last on money spent on draft, ugh. I just do not understand it, that is where KW could get some names to trade for proven players. Have just never understood how ownership cannot recognize that. I realize many do not make it, that is why you trade them more often than not.
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Post by: BlackSox on August 29, 2011, 10:01:40 am
Are we going to have three playoff teams this year, msf?
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Post by: msf on August 30, 2011, 09:32:09 am
Are we going to have three playoff teams this year, msf?
Looks like we could. We are under .500 as an org, the 2 rookie league teams hurt us. Amazing we can do this with the org we have, just think if we drafted for talent.
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Post by: msf on September 09, 2011, 06:49:44 pm
Birmingham made playoffs and won game #1 last night.
Great Falls starts their playoffs tonight.
Kannapolis lost out by 1 game on the final day, bummer.
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Post by: BlackSox on September 10, 2011, 03:18:30 pm
Thanks for the update. Wasn't W-S also in 1st place? Did they choke? I know, Google it....
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Post by: msf on September 11, 2011, 08:50:31 am
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Post by: BlackSox on September 16, 2011, 12:12:01 pm
Finally, some good news for White Sox fans. The Sox’s rookie team in the Pioneer League wrapped up a title last night. The names to remember from that team appear to be Blair Walters and Kevan Smith, both of whom were unheralded picks in the 2011 draft.
On September 29, 2011, Donny Lucy said "F u c k you and your schit-ass team White Sox".
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on September 30, 2011, 04:09:57 pm
Too bad for Donny. He did everything you could have asked of him during his cup of coffee here.
No future for him here now that Flowers is establishing himself. We have better options for backups in the system.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 30, 2011, 04:14:21 pm
How and where did Phegley end up?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on September 30, 2011, 04:21:05 pm
AAA. Threw out 43% of basestealers.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 30, 2011, 04:46:57 pm
Did he hit?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on September 30, 2011, 05:19:43 pm
Looks like Phegley spent most of the season at AA Birmingham hitting .242. Not all that much power. At least he had a successful season and is going to play AFL ball for the Solar Sox
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 02, 2011, 11:18:34 pm
I thought he was going to be the next Daryl Boston.
+1 for the correct spelling of his first name...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 03, 2011, 06:39:31 pm
I'm disappointed. I thought he was going to be the next Daryl Boston.
I was believing that the only one disappointed would be his mother.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 20, 2011, 01:47:08 am
Evaluating Sox prospect Terry Doyle (http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/whitesox-talk/post/Evaluating-Sox-prospect-Terry-Doyle?blockID=579926&feedID=10338)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 20, 2011, 10:19:42 am
on the other Sox site they say that is BS. The guy from B'ham says he sits at 92 and he is 26. He is dominating AFL thus far, normally a hitters league. Kloess doing well too and Nevin Griffith finally had an outing w/o walking anyone.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: boatdrink on October 20, 2011, 04:49:59 pm
Shocking news...
Sox likely to hire an ex-Sox to manage AAA Charlotte:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 26, 2011, 01:09:35 pm
"Something to post"
Pitcher Charlie Leesman, infielder Tyler Kuhn and outfielders Jordan Danks, Brandon Short and Justin Greene are among the players who would be eligible for the Rule 5 draft on Dec. 8 if they're not placed on the 40-man roster by Nov. 18
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 6:40 p.m. CDT, October 27, 2011
MESA, Ariz. — Knowing how painful it has been for White Sox fans to watch opponents steal bases with great frequency, Michael Blanke hopes to get an opportunity someday to put a stop to that with an admittedly unorthodox style.
Blanke, 23, is trying to polish the rest of his defensive skills in the Arizona Fall League while displaying a strong arm that has caught the attention of Sox officials.
rest of story: http://www.chicagotribune.com/site/newspaper/sports/ct-spt-1028-white-sox-chicago--20111028,0,7434136.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/site/newspaper/sports/ct-spt-1028-white-sox-chicago--20111028,0,7434136.story)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 05, 2011, 07:19:32 pm
The Arizona Fall League Rising Stars Game is being shown live right now on the MLB Network and mlb.com. It just started as we're in the bottom of the 1st inning with no score. Only one White Sox prospect is on the team, pitcher Terry Doyle.
rosters for both teams: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111101&content_id=25857742&vkey=affililiate&c_id= (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111101&content_id=25857742&vkey=affililiate&c_id=)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 20, 2011, 08:41:17 am
This club just kills me
We keep two kids protected from Rule V draft and we have about 4 more open slots on 40 man. We protect Deunte Heath (ok, he has a good arm, but...) and Charlie Leesman, a good LHP with some control problems.
We do not protect Terry Doyle, arguably our best minor league pitcher and he just tore up the AFL, with sub 2.00 ERA, hardly anyone does that. Sure, he throws 88 tops, but criminy, give him a chance. Also unprotected was Kuhn, the hitting machine in AA. He had a chance, seriously, he could be a decent player. We also left Jordan Danks unprotected, but that is ok, he did have a decent year in AAA and is our best defensive CFer in the org, but that is ok.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on November 21, 2011, 11:39:41 am
If our minor league system is as crappy as everyone says, I don't see the problem. These guys s&ck anyway.
I will be pissed if we lose Kuhn though. He was my guy out of that draft. Can he really be any more s*cky than Beckham's been?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 22, 2011, 05:42:02 pm
I bet if we put Kuhn at 2B next year we might even forget about Beckham. He has not impressed me one bit yet.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on November 23, 2011, 12:12:36 pm
I say, do it. Beckham has not shown much in a long time. Pitchers adjusted to him and he hasn't been able to counter them.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: boatdrink on November 23, 2011, 12:27:16 pm
I'm still cutting Beckham some slack... he was mentored by Greg Walker for cripes sake.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2011, 12:32:11 pm
Isnt Walker the hitting coach for Atlanta? He cant be that bad of a coach if the Braves hired him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: boatdrink on November 23, 2011, 12:35:38 pm
Yeah, he's so good that they found the need to hire Scott Fletcher as an assistant hitting coach to help out...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 23, 2011, 03:38:12 pm
Good point
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on November 23, 2011, 03:44:29 pm
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Yeah, he's so good that they found the need to hire Scott Fletcher as an assistant hitting coach to help out...
Look, when a monster hitter like Scott Fletcher becomes available as a coach, you've GOT to jump at that chance to hire him.
I mean, Fletcher could CRUSH the ball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2011, 05:44:14 pm
Yeah it definitely means you are a bad hitter if you arent hitting a homer each time you come to the plate.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on December 02, 2011, 04:45:59 pm
I sure hope this improves what we have done thus far
The White Sox and Blue Jays have hired new personnel to lead their international efforts.
The White Sox have hired Marco Paddy as a special assistant to the general manager in charge of international operations. Paddy had been Toronto's director of Latin American operations the last five years, during which time the Blue Jays signed Cuban shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria, Venezuelan righthander Henderson Alvarez, Venezuelan catcher Carlos Perez and Venezuelan righthander Adonys Cardona, among others.
The Blue Jays were one of the most aggressive teams on the international amateur market this year, signing Mexican righthander Roberto Osuna, Venezuelan outfielders Wuilmer Becerra and Jesus Gonzalez, Dominican shortstop Dawel Lugo and Venezuelan righthanders Manuel Cordoba and Jesus Tinoco.
Chicago's international program has been decimated in recent years due to a kickback scandal. Three former White Sox officials—former director of player personnel David Wilder and international scouts Victor Mateo and Jorge Oquendo Rivera—were fired in 2008 and have since each pleaded guilty to one count of mail fraud. In a November 2010 indictment, the government alleged that the three received approximately $400,000 in kickbacks from around 23 players from December 2004 through February 2008.
The White Sox had hired Jerry Krause to run their international scouting in April 2010, but Krause left the organization a year later to take over as a special assistant in Arizona. The White Sox have been among the lowest spenders and least productive teams in the international amateur market in recent years.
The Blue Jays have replaced Paddy with Ismael Cruz, who had been with the Mets as their supervisor of Latin American operations and now will be Toronto's special assistant to the GM in charge of Latin American operations. During Cruz's time with New York, the Mets' notable Latin American signings included Jenrry Mejia, Ruben Tejaad, Jeurys Famillia, Wilmer Flores, Cesar Puello, Jordany Valdespin and Juan Urbina.
The Mets' former director of international operations, Rafael Perez, left the organization last month to become Major League Baseball's new director of Dominican operations.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on December 03, 2011, 05:19:54 pm
That move is already paying off. Or maybe its part of "Kenny's Master Plan for 2016"
The White Sox signed Jefferson Olacio, a 17-year-old Dominican left-hander who stands 6-7 and figures to become a monster as he grows. His velocity has jumped from the 70s to the low-90s in three years and projects to the mid-90s, maybe high-90s. He signed for $125,000.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on December 03, 2011, 05:21:52 pm
I sure hope this improves what we have done thus far
So you're saying you are onboard the Paddy Wagon?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on December 04, 2011, 05:36:29 pm
Not sure I follow. I guess I am ready to rebuild if that is what you mean. If we keep Danks, Floyd and Peavy can start 30 games I think we can contend with small tweaks, assuming Dunn does something. Rios is a lost cause, he should just be released.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on December 04, 2011, 06:23:44 pm
I'm already preparing myself for losing another favorite Sox in Danks... KW is going to sell high. esp with the new compensation rules.
If we do trade him hope it involves the yankees and montero.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on December 05, 2011, 07:53:11 am
While Danks has been a favorite of mine, he sure hasnt developed into that #1 pitcher and sure stopper. This past season soured me on Danks. His little brother is a goner too.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on December 06, 2011, 01:25:58 pm
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While Danks has been a favorite of mine, he sure hasnt developed into that #1 pitcher and sure stopper. This past season soured me on Danks. His little brother is a goner too.
Well, Danks a lot.
Couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on December 12, 2011, 12:30:57 pm
I loved his work in "Pulp Fiction" and the under-rated "Hi-Life":
the Sox have signed left-hander Eric Stults to a minor league contract, according to Baseball America. Stults, 32, has a lifetime 8-10 record and 4.93 ERA over parts of five seasons with the Los Angeles Dodgers and Colorado.
And here's the punch line:
Stults pitched a four-hit shutout against the Sox on June 25, 2008, at Dodger Stadium while pitching for the Dodgers.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on December 12, 2011, 12:46:18 pm
So, it's almost like he's an ex-Sox. Makes sense to me...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Sophist on December 13, 2011, 12:46:23 am
the new Matt Thornton, when we trade him for some failed first-rounder high pedigree pitcher who Coop'll be in charge of fixing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2011, 05:37:15 am
Did you see this article msf?
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New CBA Will Bring Sweeping Changes To Talent Acquisition
By J.J. Cooper and Jim Callis - December 20, 2011
Peace has been declared in major league baseball for another five years. Now teams and players will see if it brings prosperity.
Baseball's new Collective Bargaining Agreement ensures the sport will have more than 20 years without a single labor stoppage. That's great news for anyone who remembers the disaster of the canceled World Series in 1994. But in the initial hours after the new CBA was announced, scouting directors and other front-office types weren't basking in the glow of a new deal.
The new CBA will assure the most significant changes since the secondary drafts were eliminated in 1987. And the initial reaction was quite negative from many in the industry as scouts (and agents) feared that restrictive luxury tax rules would make it more difficult to sign top talent. But as more details have emerged, many teams seem to have come around to at least some of the changes.
more at: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2012/2612723.html (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/news/2012/2612723.html)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on December 22, 2011, 09:10:22 am
Yes, I sure did. I read it in the latest BA I think.
Going to be really hard to get draft picks for a player in the future, he is going to have to be a very highly paid players (avg of top 140 salaries in the league is what he has to be offered for arbitration to be eligible for picks.
One thing I do like. If Buehrle is whatever the equivalent of a Type A player, and we trade him mid year, that team that traded for MB will NOT be eligible for draft choices. The player HAS to have played the entire previous year with a team to be eligible for compensation.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on January 11, 2012, 04:44:00 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on January 11, 2012, 05:52:40 pm
Good to see.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 11, 2012, 10:11:02 pm
Wow, not an A1 prospect, but a decent one. Just freaking glad they understand how important it is to have good young talent, makes trading much easier.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on January 12, 2012, 07:14:03 am
Is it time to jump on the Paddy wagon?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 12, 2012, 09:20:55 am
heh, might be.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on January 13, 2012, 09:00:58 pm
The White Sox have agreed to sign catcher Damaso Espino to a minor league deal that includes an invitation to MLB Spring Training, MLBTR has learned. The 28-year-old posted a .292/.347/.381 line in 224 plate appearances for the Dodgers' Triple-A affiliate in 2011.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on January 13, 2012, 09:32:17 pm
Um, you left off the exclamation point there Black Sox.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on January 15, 2012, 10:01:54 am
The Sox continue to aim high.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 15, 2012, 02:37:30 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on January 19, 2012, 09:54:01 am
Requires a subscription.....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 19, 2012, 10:12:16 am
I figured it did. Just want to obey the rules. Cannot paste them in here like I used to. Sorry to Metodo ahead of time, heh.
Not a lot in it. Said our prospects is not the worst in the majors, but likely bottom 4-5. That Molina kid we got from Toronto, he made our #2 slot behind Reed. He was projected to be 18th for the BJs. Put that into perspective.
Reports on Mitchell sound encouraging.
Just not much good written on anyone. They seem to think Reed is overrated. They do like Blanke, the young catcher, think he will bypass Phegley for sure.
#1 Reed, #2 Molina (trade with BJs), #3 Castro (trade with SD), #4 Trayce Thompson, #5 Petricka, #6 Keenyn Walker, #7 Marinez (for Ozzie), #8 Saladino, #9 Silverio and #10 is Martinez (also in Ozzie trade).
So Mitchell did not make top 10, but yet they seem to think he will be just fine.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on January 19, 2012, 10:14:00 am
What do they project Mitchell's upside to be?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 19, 2012, 10:19:25 am
One of the questions and answers from the chat.
Ben (Leland Grove): How big of a tumble did Mitchell take on your top 30 this year, and how troubling is his K rate?
John Manuel: OK, thanks everyone. Here's a good place to start. Mitchell fell into the 15-20 range. For me, he gets a pass on this season. His K rate is obviously an issue, but talking to a couple of scouts about him this year, I got two different ways to look at the same guy. He is inexperienced—no other way to put it. This was his first year playing baseball full-time and playing baseball in July and August. Every other year he'd either been playing football or been hurt (2010). So the fact he hit .134 in August, you don't write it off but you put it in context. Second, he still showed that he could turn on velocity (talked to a scout who saw him hit a HR off a 96 mph fastball). So the bat speed is there; he has some patience. The Sox will need patience with him. He may not be a regular until age 26-27, and that's if everything works out.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on January 19, 2012, 10:36:51 am
Any news on Thompson...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 19, 2012, 12:04:18 pm
Here was his report on the page I already posted a link earlier.
Scouting Report: Thompson has the ability to hit long home runs to all fields, thanks to his strength and the loft in his stroke. The length in his swing limits his plate coverage, and combines with his lack of pitch recognition to lead to frequent strikeouts. His 172 whiffs tied for fifth in the minors in 2011. Thompson has worked hard on his center-field defense, which some scouts say is better than his bat. His strong arm is a weapon and should play in right, where he'll likely wind up. He's slow out of the batter's box but has average speed when he hits his stride. He shows good instincts on the bases and in the outfield.
The Future: He may have repeated low Class A, yet Thompson will be just 21 when he advances to high Class A Winston-Salem in 2012. He has the highest offensive ceiling in the system but will have to cut down his strikeouts considerably to reach it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 23, 2012, 02:39:41 pm
Prospect Q&A: Thompson has tools Chicago's Class A outfielder comes from family of athletes By Andrew Pentis / Special to MLB.com / 01/23/2012 10:00 AM ET
If and when Trayce Thompson reaches the Major Leagues, he can expect something closer to sighs than surprise within his own family. For as high as his ceiling is in baseball, he grew up under the same roof as middle child Klay (Golden State Warriors) and older Mychel (Cleveland Cavaliers), each following in the footsteps of father Mychal, the top pick in the NBA's 1978 Draft.
Like his basketball-playing bros, however, Thompson, the White Sox's second-round draftee in 2009, is well-regarded. Bumped from MLB.com's list of top 10 Sox prospects when Chicago acquired pitchers Nestor Molina, Jhan Marinez and Simon Castro in three offseason deals, Thompson was ranked fourth in the organization by Baseball America earlier this month; the publication cited him as the system's best power hitter.
Thompson batted .241 at Class A Kannapolis in 2011, his first full, injury-free pro season, collecting 24 home runs, 36 doubles and 87 RBIs. "He is a young player, but just the way the ball comes off of his bat is different from than some of the other guys at 20 years old," White Sox assistant director of player development and scouting Del Matthews told MiLB.com last October.
Coming up on his second month of offseason workouts in Southern California, Thompson spoke with MiLB.com after visiting a San Juan Capistrano hitting complex run by former White Sox and 12-year MLB veteran Craig Grebeck. "It's 85 degrees out right now," Thompson bragged. "All California guys have a little bit of an advantage over guys around the country; we should come into Spring Training in midseason form."
more at: http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120106&content_id=26278354&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb (http://www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120106&content_id=26278354&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 08:23:13 pm
White Sox farmhand Mitchell remains confident By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/25/12 1:44 PM EST
CHICAGO -- At some point around 4 p.m. CT on Friday afternoon, featured players from the 2012 White Sox will be introduced to the SoxFest crowd at the Palmer House Hilton in downtown Chicago.
As the names of Adam Dunn, Paul Konerko, John Danks and Jake Peavy are called and they make their way up to the stage, Jared Mitchell will be cooling down in Tampa following another intense offseason workout. There was a time, when Mitchell was selected by the White Sox with the 23rd overall pick in the 2009 First-Year Player Draft, where the organization quite possibly believed Mitchell could be in Chicago with much of the rest of the active roster this weekend.
He came to the White Sox after splitting time between football and baseball at LSU, but the left-handed-hitting outfielder had five-tool success story written all over him. One serious ankle injury and one subpar 2011 showing later, and Mitchell now is trying to shake loose the bust label so often attached to highly touted prospects who don't quickly rise to the Majors.
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120125&content_id=26461620&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120125&content_id=26461620&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 08:29:35 pm
Reed cracks list of Top 100 Prospects Dominant righty reliever hopes to close for White Sox in 2012 By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 01/25/12 10:00 PM EST
CHICAGO -- By the time the 2012 season comes to an end, rookie Addison Reed just might be saving games as the White Sox closer.
In the interim, the talented right-hander saved the White Sox from being shut out from the 2012 MLB.com Top Prospects List, released on Wednesday. Reed checked in at No. 100.
This year's edition of MLB.com's Top Prospects list has expanded from 50 to 100 players. The annual ranking of baseball's biggest and brightest young talent is assembled by MLB.com's Draft and prospect expert, Jonathan Mayo, who compiles input from industry sources, including scouts and scouting directors.
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120124&content_id=26453060&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120124&content_id=26453060&vkey=news_cws&c_id=cws)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 08:41:22 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 26, 2012, 08:46:11 pm
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Breaking down MLB.com's Top 100 Prospects
By Jonathan Mayo / MLB.com | 01/25/12 10:00 PM EST
MLB.com's first Top 100 Prospects list is now, as they said in "Mission: Impossible," out in the open. Now the fun is just beginning.
The whole purpose of this kind of list is to get people talking, arguing, pushing and shoving. OK, not that last part. But every year this list has come out -- just 50 in seasons past -- the debates and comments have been passionate, to say the least.
Arguments are bound to start right at the top. There was general consensus about who the top three prospects are among the scouts polled for the rankings. Matt Moore, Bryce Harper and Mike Trout were the top three on nearly everyone's list. But there was no consensus on the order; that deck could be easily shuffled in any way and an argument could be made for whatever came out.
more at: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120125&content_id=26460152&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb (http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120125&content_id=26460152&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on February 01, 2012, 11:48:14 am
Kenny signs yet another guy who sucks but did well against the Beloved:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on February 09, 2012, 10:32:53 pm
Keith Law has consistently been bad pressing the sox farm system. For example, he just listed his own top 100 prospect list and in listing Addison Reed number 97, he added that we traded Segio for 50 cents on the dollar.
But read this on his brief bio
"Keith Law, formerly the special assistant to the general manager for the Toronto Blue Jays, is the senior baseball analyst for ESPN Insider."
What a conflict of interest! He gains a respected reputation as a supposed independant writer evaluating deals and prospects, but then if he can overvalue his team's prospects (Toronto has 4 in the top 59)., and under value other team's prospects, he helps his clients, and former clients, who might re-hire him. And who knows when in his former position with the Jays, he may have blown his analysis on the guy we got back.
Keith Law ought to be called outta here.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on February 09, 2012, 10:46:27 pm
streeeettttttccchhhhhh
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 10, 2012, 12:14:47 am
Sox sign former star QB Mustain to minor league deal
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 10:23 p.m. CST, February 9, 2012
Mitch Mustain's college career as a quarterback didn't pan out, but the Chicago White Sox apparently like his right arm.
The Sox have signed Mustain, who came out of Springdale, Ark., as one of the top high school quarterbacks in the nation, to a minor league contract. Mustain will report to spring training on March 8, according to a story published Thursday at nwahomepage.com.
Mustain, 23, hasn't pitched since high school, but he told a reporter he threw 90 mph during a tryout last month in front of a Sox scout. Mustain told the Los Angeles Daily News in October of 2009 that he was considering pursuing baseball but never pitched for the Trojans' once-successful baseball program.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-sign-former-star-qb-mustain-to-minor-league-deal-20120209,0,2409569.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-sign-former-star-qb-mustain-to-minor-league-deal-20120209,0,2409569.story)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 10, 2012, 08:31:52 pm
Best of showcase: Dominican Republic’s Jairo Beras and Venezuela’s Franklin Barreto stand out
By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports - Feb 5, 4:22 pm EST
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic – In a crowded restaurant where pop music drowned out the nighttime television broadcast of the Caribbean Series, where David Ortiz’s belly laughs outworked the pop music, and where a presidential candidate’s rolling speakers outdid them all from the streets outside, perhaps the best young baseball prospect in the country buried his hands deeper into his pockets and stared at his puppy dog feet.
I’d been here for two days, I told him, and though I spoke a language he didn’t yet understand, he looked up with curiosity.
I’d watched him take batting practice, watched him in two games, and while admittedly might have missed an inning or two wandering the grounds of the New York Mets academy in Boca Chica, I told him I’d never seen him make an out. The Venezuelans pitched around him or he hit a line drive that bored through a relentless wind.
more at: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtFQsAP4OhsmhlY7CYIaDewRvLYF?slug=ti-brown_jairo_beras_franklin_barreto_showcase_020512 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtFQsAP4OhsmhlY7CYIaDewRvLYF?slug=ti-brown_jairo_beras_franklin_barreto_showcase_020512)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 10, 2012, 08:35:23 pm
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New showcase for top Dominican and Venezuelan prospects brings structure and order to scouting
By Tim Brown, Yahoo! Sports - Feb 5, 2:13 am EST
BOCA CHICA, Dominican Republic – When they built their baseball complex a short drive from downtown Santo Domingo, a thrill-a-minute ride east along the shoreline on Autopista Las Americas, the New York Mets sought to preserve the area’s native sensibility.
So just beyond the warning tracks, and at the ends of paths that lead away from the grounds, and brushing against the walls of the charming two-story dorms and classrooms, papaya and mango trees still stand against bracing sea winds. Palms line the walks. Shade soothes the batting cages.
According to Rafael Perez, who as director of the Mets’ international operations led the efforts to design and construct the academy and now heads Major League Baseball’s Dominican office, the idea was to create a facility that would impose on neither the land nor its people.
more at: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-brown_dominican_venezuelan_showcase_draft_020412 (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-brown_dominican_venezuelan_showcase_draft_020412)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 04:40:31 pm
MLB pushed through significant changes to its draft in the most recent Collective Bargaining Agreement, and commissioner Bud Selig says the changes aren't done.
While discussing the state of the game in an interview with Baseball America on Tuesday, Selig indicated that making international players subject to a draft process—whether that means folding them into the current draft structure or creating a separate international draft—is in the sport's future.
When asked if a worldwide draft is inevitable, Selig said, "It is inevitable. I would like to see it. We have made some significant progress to that end. When we went to the draft in 1965, it was to create a more level playing field. We've done that, and the same thing will have to happen internationally."
The motivation behind the first draft was also to control spending, and baseball has sought to do the same internationally as bonuses have steadily increased in recent years. Similar to the rules now governing the domestic draft, baseball's new labor agreement includes rules limiting how much a team can spend each year on international players, with stiff penalties in place for teams that exceed their spending cap.
more at: http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/news/2012/2613020.html (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/news/2012/2613020.html)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 04:51:36 pm
San Francisco’s Kyle Zimmer Generates Early Draft Buzz
by Aaron Fitt - Feb. 23, 2012 4:45 pm
Just a week into college baseball's season, scouts in the West are starting to chatter about San Francisco junior righthander Kyle Zimmer as a legitimate early candidate for the No. 1 overall pick. Expect scouts to flock to USF on Friday for Zimmer's matchup against dogged Missouri junior righty Eric Anderson.
USF's season opener at San Jose State last week was originally scheduled for 6 p.m. at San Jose Municipal Stadium, but the San Jose Giants were reseeding the field so the game had to be moved to Blethen Field and rescheduled for 2 p.m. That allowed the multitude of scouts who were in the area to see Stanford ace Mark Appel that evening to get a look at Zimmer first.
He did not disappoint, and we received multiple glowing reports after his outing.
"His first pitch was 97, the next was 98. He never threw a pitch under 93, and the first 22 pitches were all strikes," a National League area scout said. "He clearly jumped to the front of the pack for being 1-1 (the first pick in the first round). He has the best curveball in the area, and he's an 80 athlete. We're not talking about a guy that just has good stuff. He's an off-the-charts athlete—as good an athlete as you can get."
more at: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/02/san-franciscos-kyle-zimmer-generates-early-draft-buzz/ (http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2012/02/san-franciscos-kyle-zimmer-generates-early-draft-buzz/)
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 23, 2012, 05:09:50 pm
Came across this video while looking for info on 2012 college baseball. It's from the Cape Cod League this past summer. Is this Hunnie's son?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFuSmzZqNUc
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on February 24, 2012, 10:11:13 am
Video adds 10-15 lbs to one's appearance, so everyone be nice now.
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Post by: BlackSox on February 24, 2012, 10:41:52 am
heh, "Big Hunnie" is back...
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Post by: msf on February 27, 2012, 11:12:42 am
Johnny Field is her son, plays for Arizona or ASU, he started most of last year, playing LF. Has a chance.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 03, 2012, 06:46:55 pm
Sox prospect Thompson follows his own path Power hitter from an NBA family dreams of major leagues
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 3:38 p.m. CST, March 3, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — There are schedules of the Los Angeles Lakers, Golden State Warriors and Erie BayHawks posted in several rooms at the Thompson home in Ladera Ranch, Calif.
And a White Sox spring training schedule, which stands out as much as Trayce Thompson does from his father and two older brothers.
"My father likes to keep track of us, and my mom does what she can to see us," Thompson said Tuesday. "It's crazy, but we're all chasing our dreams, and I couldn't be more proud of my brothers. I'm thankful for my parents."
The youngest Thompson, 20, quit following in the footsteps of his father, Mychal, 57, a Lakers announcer who began his 12-year NBA career as the first overall pick in the 1978 draft, and brothers Klay, 22, a rookie guard for the Warriors, and Mychel, 23, who started the season with the Cavaliers before joining the NBA Development League's BayHawks. After his junior year of high school, Trayce chose to pursue a baseball career.
more at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0304-white-sox-chicago--20120303,0,5720946.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0304-white-sox-chicago--20120303,0,5720946.story)
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 12, 2012, 09:36:59 pm
Mustain has arm, but does he have what it takes to impress Sox? Former high-profile quarterback gives pitching a shot
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 7:23 p.m. CDT, March 12, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. — Mitch Mustain thought something was strange Friday night at his hotel before his first professional baseball workout.
"I kept looking at my watch and finally realized how anxious I was, and then remembered every time I was in a hotel on a Friday night, we had team meetings at 7 p.m.," Mustain recalled Monday.
That's the first of several transitions for Mustain, 24, who is pursuing a pitching career in the White Sox organization after once being billed by some ahead of Tim Tebow as the top high school quarterback in the nation and not playing baseball since his sophomore year at Springdale (Ark.) High School in 2004.
Reviewing game plans and eating pizza on Friday nights before SEC and Pac-10 games have been replaced by morning drills, long toss and baseball-specific arm strengthening exercises.
By Mark Gonzales Tribune reporter - 11:38 a.m. CDT, March 31, 2012
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- The Chicago White Sox added depth to their minor league outfield Saturday by signing Conor Jackson to a minor league contract and assigning him to Triple-A Charlotte.
Jackson, 29, was recently released by Texas. Jackson is a career .271 hitter who has played for Arizona, Oakland and Boston over seven major league season.
Prep baseball superstar, possible first-round MLB pick, dies of mysterious apparent suicide
By Cameron Smith | Prep Rally – 9 hours ago
One of the nation's top baseball prospects, a bright student headed to Vanderbilt, was found dead along the side of a Tennessee road on Tuesday after an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, sending shockwaves throughout the Volunteer State baseball community.
As reported by the Jackson Sun, the Nashville City Paper and a variety of other Nashville-area news sources, Parsons (Tenn.) Riverside High ace Stephen Gant was found dead in Perry County shortly after the local sheriff's office had been called about a man walking up and down the road with a gun threatening to commit suicide.
"We found the body of Stephen Gant about 30 feet from the roadway with a gunshot wound," Perry County Sheriff's Office Chief Deputy Nick Weems told the Sun. "We do believe at this time that it was self-inflicted; however, we will continue to investigate to look at other possibilities to make sure it was suicide."
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Post by: josephc on April 05, 2012, 07:20:47 am
holy crap.... that's awful.
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Post by: msf on April 05, 2012, 07:57:32 am
Have you heard about the guy trying to get a new vehicle out of Carl Pavano? Says he was Carl's boy toy back in high school. Contacted Carl's sister with demands of a new SUV I think. And this is the guy who was with Alyssa Milano???
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Post by: BlackSox on April 05, 2012, 10:19:38 am
Your Opening Day starters for the Baby Sox:
Charlotte: Charlie Shirek (long-time Sox minor-leaguer; late round '07 pick) B-ham: Nestor Molina ("can't miss" guy we got for Santos) Kanny: Blair Walters (11throunder from last year's draft)
W-S starts tomorrow.
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Post by: aka Loveland on April 05, 2012, 10:20:54 am
Baby Sox. Heh
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Post by: msf on April 06, 2012, 07:38:58 am
Barons lost 3-2, Molina took the loss, 4 IP, 2 runs. 2 run double by Mitchell in the 9th got us close.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 12, 2012, 10:45:45 am
What's happening in the minors? A lot of "meh".
Charlotte 3-4 B-ham 3-4 W-S 2-3 Kanny 3-4
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Post by: msf on April 12, 2012, 02:39:54 pm
Yep, pretty blah thus far.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 13, 2012, 02:53:23 pm
("borrowed" from the BBF)
Keith Law's Top 10 players for this coming June's Rule 4 draft:
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#1 Byron Buxton CF 6-1 175 Appling County HS, Georgia
Analysis: There's a broad consensus around Buxton as the best player in this draft and a legitimate No. 1 overall pick, as he earns comparisons to a number of other players drafted in that top spot. He has all tools, an 80 runner on the 20-80 scouting scale with an 80 arm (reportedly 95-98 mph off the mound last week) and big future power. But he's playing against poor high school competition in rural Georgia and has yet to homer this spring, so he's not without his risks.
#2 Mike Zunino C 6-2 215 U of Florida
Analysis: A true catcher who has an unorthodox style at the plate but hits, uses the whole field and has power is a pretty valuable commodity, and he carries less risk than the three high-upside pitchers ranked right behind him. Most scouts seem to think he doesn't get past Seattle at No. 3.
#3 Mark Appel RHP 6-5 215 Stanford U
Analysis: The stuff is there, and the results are better, but the lack of deception in his delivery combined with a habit of leaving pitches (especially his changeup) up in the zone make him more hittable than a guy with this stuff should be.
#4 Kyle Zimmer RHP 6-4 220 U of San Francisco
Analysis: Zimmer has less of a track record than Appel but as much velocity with a better present breaking ball. He's a former position player who fields his position well but isn't as advanced a pitcher as Appel is. His velocity was down in his last start, sitting 91 mph and topping out at 93, which bears watching this upcoming weekend.
#5 Carlos Correa SS 6-4 190 Puerto Rico Baseball Academy
Analysis: On track to be the highest-drafted Puerto Rican player in history as an athletic 17-year-old who projects to hit and hit for power but probably ends up at third base in pro ball. For comparison, he has more offensive upside than Francisco Lindor, who was drafted with the eighth pick last year in a stronger crop. Correa's also a dark horse to go No. 1 overall.
#6 Kevin Gausman RHP 6-4 185 LSU
Analysis: He's up to 99 mph on a pretty regular basis with an above-average changeup, but he's showing only a fringy curveball when he'd probably be better suited to throwing a slider.
#7 Deven Marrero SS 6-1 194 Arizona State
Analysis: He's really struggling at the plate this year, not just in terms of results but he is showing a lack of effort that has the area scouts confused since Marrero's makeup was always one of his strengths. I still see a plus defender at short who'll hit for average and has a high probability of being a decent big leaguer. I've heard Pittsburgh at No. 8 might be his floor.
#8 Albert Almora OF 6-2 170 Mater Academy (FL)
Analysis: One of the best defensive center fielders to come out of the high school ranks, Almora has great feel for hitting and a simple swing with the potential to hit for power in the future.
#9 Max Fried LHP 6-3 170 Harvard-Westlake HS, CA
Analysis: Owner of perhaps the best left-handed curveball in the draft with a very competitive nature and good feel for pitching that helps him pitch above his grade-55 fastball.
#10 Matt Smoral LHP 6-8 225 Solon HS, OH
Analysis: The Solon, Ohio, product is out for the spring after suffering a stress fracture in his foot while pitching on a makeshift mound on a football field a few weeks ago, but scouts have seen enough of his easy 60 fastball/60 slider combo that I think he'll go in the top-20 picks even without giving scouts more looks before June.
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Post by: msf on April 14, 2012, 09:13:14 pm
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Post by: Fury on April 15, 2012, 07:48:35 am
Nice OBP so far.
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Post by: msf on April 15, 2012, 09:03:31 am
Thompson hit his 2nd homer yesterday. So he and Mitchell are doing their part thus far.
Doyle was horrible last time out, but yesterday he threw a nice game. A kid at Kanny came out of no where (well he did K 58 dudes in 35 IP in relief at Great Falls last year, but he has had 2 nice starts at Kanny. He throws hard, his name is Kevin Vance.
That CF we took the other year (might have been last year), Keenyn Walker, is a K machine, but he did go 5-5 the other night to get up to .300. Another hot bat at Kanny is 1Bman Leighton Pangilinan, who took care of "personal problems" and has really stepped it up a notch. Does that mean he was a doper?
Kuhn continues to hit, he just does not have a great glove I guess, I would like to see him replace Beckham, but Beckham does play a nice 2B. Instead of Lilly playing late game D for Viciedo, why not let him play for Beckham a bit. Morel has come around the last couple games, guess he had a big, big Sac the other day. We need guys who can do the little things. Rios is the guy who does not deserve to be in the lineup, or even on the team IMHO
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Post by: BlackSox on April 15, 2012, 01:38:14 pm
Thanks for the update.
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Post by: Method on April 15, 2012, 06:43:52 pm
I'd like to second that last post... although personal problems... implies he liked some weed on the side...
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2012, 09:06:40 am
Implies family problems to me
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Post by: Fury on April 16, 2012, 02:16:51 pm
Damn dopers. Execute them!
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 16, 2012, 02:29:57 pm
interesting thought
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 17, 2012, 03:48:29 pm
Selection order for 2012 Draft announced Houston to make first pick, followed by Minnesota and Seattle
By Jonathan Mayo / MLB.com | 04/17/12 1:08 PM ET
The rules dictating how teams can go about signing Draft picks may be much different thanks to the most recent collective bargaining agreement, but how things will operate during the 2012 First-Year Player Draft remains largely the same.
Major League Baseball released the Draft order for the event on Tuesday, officially putting the Astros on the clock with the first pick. It is the third time Houston has had the No. 1 overall selection, having done so in 1976 and '92. Floyd Bannister and Phil Nevin went on to be quality Major Leaguers, so the Astros will hope history can repeat itself in June.
Some of the names being mentioned as potential top picks are such college pitchers as Stanford's Mark Appel, LSU's Kevin Gausman, the University of San Francisco's Kyle Zimmer and Texas A&M's Michael Wacha; Florida catcher Mike Zunino; and Georgia high school outfielder Byron Buxton. Read about all of them on MLB.com's 2012 Draft Top 50 list.
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Post by: msf on April 17, 2012, 09:27:00 pm
Stole this post from SoxTalk, somebody named Sickels said this.
*It's early, but Chicago White Sox outfield prospect Jared Mitchell may have resurrected his status as a prospect. Drafted in the first round out of Louisiana State in 2009, he missed all of 2010 following a horrific ankle injury. He returned in 2011 but was less than effective for Winston-Salem in the Carolina League, hitting just .222/.304/.377 last year with an obscene strikeout rate, 184 whiffs in 477 at-bats.
2012 looks completely different. Playing for Double-A Birmingham, Mitchell is hitting .333/.490/.564 through 12 games, with three doubles, three triples, 11 walks, and 12 strikeouts. He's still fanning too much for comfort, but is drawing more walks and showing more pop this year. He is also reportedly playing better defense in center field after struggling with his routes last year, probably an after-effect of the injury. Right now, Mitchell looks more like the player the White Sox thought they were getting when they drafted him. Even last year, his work ethic and drive to succeed were never in question.
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Post by: msf on April 17, 2012, 09:27:19 pm
NA
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Post by: Method on April 17, 2012, 09:42:12 pm
That would be some great news... we do have 3 open outfield spots on the big club right now...
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Post by: WshflThinking on April 18, 2012, 06:13:27 am
Haha. I've been saying that for some time. Good to see I have company
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Post by: msf on April 21, 2012, 07:38:55 am
Charlotte lost, but Stults went 5 shutout, he is doing well as a starter.
Barons won 10-0, Molina with 7 shutout innings, 2 hits and 5 RBI for Mitchell, and he hit his first homer (he has 4 triples already)
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Post by: Method on April 23, 2012, 08:44:51 pm
Castro w a nice start yesterday only one walk 6K's over 8 ip.
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Post by: msf on April 24, 2012, 07:51:52 am
OAKLAND - Chicago White Sox minor leaguer Charlie Shirek was named the International League pitcher of the week for April 16-22.
Shirek, 26, allowed one run in 13 innings covering two starts for Triple-A Charlotte. Shirek pitched six shutout innings against Durham on April 16, and then threw seven innings of three-hit ball against first-place Gwinnett on Saturday.
Shirek is 3-1 with a 3.38 ERA with 19 strikeouts and four walks in 24 innings.
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Post by: josephc on April 24, 2012, 11:45:52 am
a southsidesox.com piece on a Nestor Molina start a week or so ago.
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Post by: msf on April 25, 2012, 08:46:35 am
Mitchell may be ready sooner than we thought. Last night he goes 1-2 with 3 walks, he had 3 runs scored, his league leading 17th RBI and also stole his 5th base just for **** and grins. .447 OBP and is slugging .515
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Post by: josephc on April 25, 2012, 08:56:35 am
I'd like to see what his numbers are halfway through June. I hope it's not just a hot start before the league catches up.
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Post by: msf on April 26, 2012, 02:51:48 pm
3 more hits for Mitchell today, including his 5th triple, to lead the Barons to a 10-2 win. Molina went 8 2/3.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 26, 2012, 04:18:23 pm
Journeyman Catcher Damaso Espino off to a hot start, I see.
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Post by: msf on April 26, 2012, 09:23:24 pm
Mitchell 2-4 with a double and run scored in the nightcap, also won by the Barons.
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Post by: Fury on April 27, 2012, 09:10:43 am
Mitchell will be on the big club next year, if not by the end of this year.
I have high hopes for the '13 Sox.
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Post by: msf on April 27, 2012, 09:38:28 am
One of our kid pitchers is not so hot anymore. I had hopes for the young Brazilian Rienzo, he has gotten better as he progressed thru the system each level. He is out for 50 games (or is it days)
tested positive for metabolites of Stanozolol, a performance-enhancing substance. Rienzo, 23, was 3-0 with Class-A Winston-Salem with a league-leading 31 strikeouts.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 28, 2012, 07:03:31 am
(http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/p/sp/ap/de/fullj.49389ba18c571d6cbff8001b22933de9/ap-201204261823662145613.3.jpg) The Associated Press 2012-04-26
FILE - In this April 18, 2012, file photo, Winston-Salem Dash starting pitcher Andre Rienzo throws to the Myrtle Beach Pelicans in the second inning of their minor league baseball game in Myrtle Beach, S.C. Rienzo,a Chicago White Sox pitcher prospect from Brazil, was given a 50-game suspensions after testing positive for performance-enhancing drugs, the commissioner's office announced Thursday, April 26, 2012. There have been 36 suspensions this year under the minor league drug program.
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Post by: msf on April 29, 2012, 05:56:24 pm
Kids been playing well, now 6 over .500
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Post by: BlackSox on May 07, 2012, 02:17:02 pm
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Post by: Method on May 09, 2012, 10:53:47 am
That really sucks... we need a starter to step up. Quintana did well.
When do we just throw in the towel... and really rebuild for a couple years... spend money in the draft...
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Post by: Fury on May 09, 2012, 11:26:05 am
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When do we just throw in the towel... and really rebuild for a couple years... spend money in the draft...?
Probably never, as long as your friend and mine -- Kenny Williams -- is at the helm.
I actually think things could fall into place for next year.
But I see no point in watching any more games this season. We know how this one will turn out.
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Post by: msf on May 09, 2012, 04:08:22 pm
Molina was only up for one start, even if he threw a no-hitter, with Quintana called up, they moved Molina and Petricka up a level respectively and let them start. They got a schmoe to start for W-S off schedule, and then sent everyone back the following day.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 11, 2012, 11:04:08 am
Infielder Drew Garcia and outfielder Justin Greene were promoted from Double-A Birmingham to Triple-A Charlotte. Garcia, a switch-hitter was batting .316 with 26 RBIs and finished with a 13-game hitting streak for the Barons. Greene was batting .329 with 10 RBIs and was promoted with a 10-game hitting streak.
Also, this is considered a very weak draft. From the Callis article:
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"This is one of the most volatile, erratic and weak drafts I can remember," an American League front-office executive said. "The college position players have got to be the weakest group in 20 years. I've had some veteran guys tell me it's the worst ever."
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Post by: msf on May 22, 2012, 04:34:11 pm
Interesting, Terry Doyle was sent back to us by Twins after they selected him in Rule V draft. He had a bad 1st start for Charlotte, since he has been real good, store this off SoxTalk
Since his first start:
51 IP, 37 hts, 14 er, 12 bb, 51 k
2.47 era
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Post by: msf on May 24, 2012, 11:25:13 am
Reading some pre-draft stuff to get familiar with some of the names. I see a Jesmuel Valentin is considered a 2nd rounder in the draft, he plays 2B for a Florida Academy team, but only in deference to the top HS SS in the draft. He is Pornstache's kid, and I like what I read about him. Built like his father and a strong line drive hitter. Pitcher of him with his father (who is managing a minor league team for someone) and there is no longer a stache on his face.
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Post by: 4nek8 on May 24, 2012, 01:35:17 pm
I'm still trying to wrap my head around "Jesmuel"...
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Post by: aka Loveland on May 24, 2012, 01:52:33 pm
I'm still trying to figure out what he and his father are doing in a pitcher.
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Post by: msf on May 24, 2012, 02:08:20 pm
oops, good catch. Picture.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on May 25, 2012, 09:23:16 am
I'm still trying to wrap my head around "Jesmuel"...
You google Jesmuel and almost all of the results are him!
It's slightly better than Jizzmuel at least. Ew. Sorry.
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Post by: 4nek8 on May 25, 2012, 02:08:02 pm
Fredzekiel may have already been taken, Jhon.
Back on topic, I'd like to see the Sox call up Doyle. Look at his career stats, W-L is mixed but his ERA has rated acceptable to impressive at every level he's pitched. Looks like he could be one of those Moyer/Buehrle types.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 29, 2012, 06:27:27 am
(http://www.milb.com/images/2012/05/28/rtYPRVOp.jpg) Terry Doyle is sixth in the International League with 56 strikeouts. (Britney Roper/Charlotte Knights)
Doyle takes no-hitter into eighth White Sox prospect allows a double five outs shy of history
By Robert Emrich - Special to MLB.com - 05/28/2012 7:08 PM ET
About the only thing that could stop Terry Doyle on Monday was a cramp.
Doyle allowed a one-out double in the eighth inning to Matt Carson, spoiling his no-hit bid, as Triple-A Charlotte beat Rochester, 4-1, on Memorial Day.
Doyle, who exited after the base hit, struck out three and walked two. A 37th-round pick by the White Sox in 2008, he threw 50 of his 82 pitches for strikes and retired 11 straight before the double.
"I think I just threw a lot strikes early in the game and got the hitters to be a bit more aggressive. I exploited that late in the game," he said.
While warming up to open the eighth, Doyle (4-3) suffered a cramp in his left leg. He stayed out there to start the frame following a conference with Knights manager Joel Skinner, but didn't think it affected his pitching.
"I called out the coach to let him know I didn't know how much longer I could go out there," the 26-year-old right-hander said. "He gave me a shot to finish out the inning and get the no-hitter. I tried to make a good pitch and Carson got a good piece to get a double."
OF Courtney Hawkins from Carroll, Tx HS. Did a back flip in the studio, wowza. Strong looking kid, fast and lots of power.
Poor pick. Should have gone with RHP Michael Wacha from Texas A&M or rolled the dice and picked Lucas Giolito RHP from Harvard-Westlake HS. But I guess neither of them fits KW's pattern of drafting African-American outfielders with our 1st round pick.
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Post by: the Law on June 04, 2012, 08:09:09 pm
Last time the White Sox took a HS kid in the first round was Kris Honel in 2001 so I was pretty surprised by the Hawkins pick. Hawkins has the most raw power of any prep prospect in the draft. I anticipate a high K rate early in his career but overall I like the pick.
Was expecting Texas A&M RHP Michael Wacha and hoping for Duke RHP Marcus Stroman
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Post by: Method on June 04, 2012, 08:43:52 pm
More power then Buxton?
hate that twins got Buxton... hate it!
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2012, 08:47:39 pm
Last time the White Sox took a HS kid in the first round was Kris Honel in 2001 so I was pretty surprised by the Hawkins pick. Hawkins has the most raw power of any prep prospect in the draft. I anticipate a high K rate early in his career but overall I like the pick.
Was expecting Texas A&M RHP Michael Wacha and hoping for Duke RHP Marcus Stroman
I doubt he has more raw power than Joey Gallo of Bishop Gorman HS (NV). Gallo hit a 443-foot HR into the centerfield bleachers at Petco Park last year during the Perfect Game All-American Classic.
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Post by: Method on June 04, 2012, 11:39:57 pm
Barnum appears to be a bit of a reach... BA had him at 155 on their board. Hawkins was 15... Considering Floyd and PEavy are about done with their contracts would have liked to see them snag Stroman since he was still around.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2012, 12:01:34 am
Barnum appears to be a bit of a reach... BA had him at 155 on their board. Hawkins was 15... Considering Floyd and PEavy are about done with their contracts would have liked to see them snag Stroman since he was still around.
I agree. I would have preferred the White Sox swoop in steal Jorge Soler away from the northside. Then use the 13th pick on a pitcher. This way you get a young Cuban outfielder AND a top pitching prospect.
I'm figuring at best, Hawkins is at least 4 years away from the 25-man roster and Barnum is 5 years away. Better to draft an advanced college pitcher and try the same route that they used with Sale in 2010. Quick sign with the promise of fast track like Sale, bullpen in the minors and advancement to the majors in September if the White Sox are in contention. Drafting two HS players might just signal that KW doesn't believe they can win this year.
As far as Barnum, he's an older HS player. He's already 19 and ESPNHS posted earlier this spring:
from February 10th:
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8. Keon Barnum, 1B, King (Tampa, Fla.) Barnum is a man-child at 6-foot-4 and 225 pounds and generates good bat speed and big power from the left side of the plate. The swing path, which creates good loft, is natural, suggesting he’ll hit for power, but he has problems making consistent contact. He's committed to Miami, but he has a chance to go in the first 100 selections to a team that believes they can teach him to hit for average.
from March 16th:
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STOCK DOWN
Keon Barnum, 1B, King (Tampa, Fla.) Barnum is hitting for average and power early on but is not showing a consistent ability to recognize and adjust to the breaking ball. Since he's already 19, Barnum has less developmental time ahead of him than most prep draft prospects and is limited to first base defensively, so he has to show even better at the plate than if he offered defensive value. He does possess plus bat speed, and the ball jumps off his barrel, but he's slumped a bit early this season.
But we'll see. I'm skeptical about these two picks as I would be if the Bulls draft two white guys next month. Sort of seems like JR and KW are sensitive that the White Sox have no african-american players on the 25-man roster and the % of african-american ballplayers in MLB is dropping each and every year.
I'll be more than happy if these two kids prove me wrong by developing into fine MLB players for the White Sox.
I'll save you the time & effort JhonJeter:
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Post by: msf on June 05, 2012, 07:07:27 am
I knew Andy would whine when we took the 2nd Black kid.
Analysts on MLB liked both picks very much. 2nd kid compared a lot to Howard from Philly. I like that we finally went for hitters. I read an article that said we were going to rely on our Latin America scouts for our middle infielders. We will load up with pitchers today, and Laumann has a knack for this.
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Post by: ISF on June 05, 2012, 10:10:52 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on June 05, 2012, 11:14:08 am
Hah!! If Iv'e seen that one before I don't recall.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: the Law on June 05, 2012, 12:29:29 pm
Pretty happy with the 2nd and 3rd round picks but I'm partial to college guys.
2nd - Chris Beck - RHP - Georgia Southern. Great summer last year but scouts weren't as impressed this spring and his velocity was down. Went 6-7 3.91 ERA and 10.31 K/9.
3rd - Joey DeMichele - 2B - Arizona State. Offensive minded 2B. Pac 10 batting champ as a sophomore in 2011. Some question his ability to remain at 2B.
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Post by: Method on June 05, 2012, 01:06:23 pm
3rd rounder is a 2bman just to make MSF look bad... i think KW reads these boards...
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2012, 03:57:42 pm
I knew Andy would whine when we took the 2nd Black kid.
Analysts on MLB liked both picks very much. 2nd kid compared a lot to Howard from Philly. I like that we finally went for hitters. I read an article that said we were going to rely on our Latin America scouts for our middle infielders. We will load up with pitchers today, and Laumann has a knack for this.
The main problem I have with the two picks is the earliest they'll reach the majors is 4 years from now. Using your first two picks on high school players is an acceptable plan for teams that suck and are in complete rebuilding mode (aka Cubs) or teams with loaded farm systems with MLB ready talent in Double-A or higher. The White Sox don't fit in either category.
Chris Sale, and probably Jake Peavy, will pitch less than 170 innings this season. Who's going to pick up the slack? It would've been nice to draft a college pitcher who could follow the path that Sale did in 2010. I'm guessing the White Sox will be needing another arm or two in mid-August to help in the AL Central race. A pitcher like Duke's Marcus Stroman might have been a better choice for the 2012 White Sox.
IMO, KW using BOTH of his first round picks on HS players indicates that he doesn't think too highly of the White Sox chances to win this season. I could more easily accept the Keon Barnum pick if the 1st pick was used on an advanced college pitcher. However, Barnum's high strikeout rate versus high school pitching causes some reservations. It's not like his HS team played in an elite conference facing top talented pitchers and regularly traveled to tournaments to play against top rated teams. Schools like Bishop Gorman HS in Las Vegas do this all the time.
I'm hoping Courtney Hawkins proves me wrong and ends up being the next Mike Trout and not the next Jared Mitchell. We'll see.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 05, 2012, 04:44:59 pm
I don't follow Andy. Are you suggesting there is a college pitcher who would help the team THIS year? I think we have plenty of arms in the system to help this season. And, I also think KW will go trade route if necessary. I'm guessing he is very bullish about our chances this season, at least to make the playoffs
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2012, 05:01:43 pm
I dont get it either when experts were saying the college talent wasnt very good to begin with and with a slip of the tongue KW said we were in rebuilding mode. Lauman who has been very successful at plucking talent out of the college ranks didnt think the talent was good enough to draft high either. I am however surprised we didnt go for a 3Bman or a catcher early as opposed to another OF.
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Post by: msf on June 05, 2012, 06:09:52 pm
I agree with Shoeless. I think we were allowed to go for HS kids, as we have the arms in AAA and AA that could help if we need them. Not sure a guy like Stroman could do what Sale did. I think our org really needs to reload, good to start now while we are sort of a hot name again. Also, very signable, especially the 2nd rounder, so we might save some money for later picks. It is a different draft. Those college pitchers wanted max slot money.
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Post by: Method on June 05, 2012, 06:14:18 pm
3b is fine.. Morel is sicky now... but me thinks he still has good potential long term.
Would really have prefered they didnt take a guy like Barnum... but i am fine with it... I like the switch to high upside HS players...
Seems KW was constantly getting college players he could move up quickly or trade away... atleast this way we can see if the scouting staff managed to pull a gem out.
Comparing Hawkins to trout is a stretch... trout was known for his ability to make contact...
I think Comparing Hawkins to Heyward would be more appropriate... his swing is a little long from what i saw in the vids blackie posted...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 05, 2012, 07:26:12 pm
The pitcher we took in round 2, I think that is correct, Beck, was preseason top 10 draft pick. Had a tough Sr season but did real well in Cape Cod league. Sort of like Daniel Hudson when we took him a few years back. Hudson was not top 10, but maybe a 1st rounder, and dropped to us at 5 if I recall. I love how our staff works with kid pitchers, I think we have as much success as any org in developing young pitchers (when we have something to work with).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 06, 2012, 12:49:11 pm
Stolen from SoxTalk. Methinks they are taking too many 1B (one is too many).
1. Courtney Hawkins OF Carroll, Tx 1c. Keon Barnum 1B Tampa, Fla 2. Chris Beck RHP Georgia Southern 3. Joey DeMichele, 2B Arizona State 4. Brandon Brennan, RHP Orange Coast College, CA 5. Nick Basto SS Archbishop McCarthy HS 6. Kyle Hansen, RHP St. Johns, NY 7. Jose Barraza C Sunnyside HS, Fresno CA 8. Zach Isler, RHP, Cincinnati 9. Johnson, Micah 2B Indiana, IN 10. Hardin, Brandon RHP Delta St U, MS 11. Eric Jaffe, RHP, UCLA 12. Stoner, Zach Boylan Catholic HS, IL 1B 13. Thompson, Derek John A. Logan College, IL LHP 14. Bucciferro, Anthony Michigan St U, MI RHP 15. Jordan Guerrero, LHP, Moorspark Highschool, CA 16. Abraham Ruiz, 1B, Arizona State, AZ 17. Sammy Ayala, C, La Jolla Country Day HS, CA 18. Thomas McCarthy, 3B, Kentucky, KY 19. Alex Williams, 1B, Louisiana Tech, LA 20. Zachary Voight, SS, New Mexico State, NM 21. Adam Lopezm RHP, VMI, VA 22. Cory McGinnis, RHP, Auburn, AL 23. Kale Kiser, CF, Nebraska, NE
I am surprised to see only one catcher in that list
Me too, since there's TWO of them on the list.
I missed pick #7. Seems like catcher is a hard position to find these days
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on June 07, 2012, 01:56:15 pm
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Seems like catcher is a hard position to find these days
You can usually find him behind the batter and in front of an umpire.
Just trying to help.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 07, 2012, 03:44:25 pm
That kind of help I dont need
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 07, 2012, 08:37:20 pm
Doyle took a no-no into the 9th tonight, ended up going 8 1/3, giving up 1 hit, now 6-3 with 2.83 ERA
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on June 07, 2012, 08:51:17 pm
Bring him up, the Sox could use him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 07, 2012, 10:53:53 pm
Harry would love #7
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 10, 2012, 12:19:18 pm
Twelfth-round draft pick Zach Stoner has forgone entry into Southern Illinois University to sign with the Sox, according to The Southern Illinoisan. Stoner was a catcher at Rockford Boylan High School who hit .461.
Twelfth-round draft pick Zach Stoner has forgone entry into Southern Illinois University to sign with the Sox, according to The Southern Illinoisan. Stoner was a catcher at Rockford Boylan High School who hit .461.
Thats an interesting catch. According to the list above it has Stoner as a 1Bman not a catcher. Thats good news. We need a young catcher in the pipeline
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 11, 2012, 12:49:01 pm
Sounds like we are going to sign a ****load of players here soon.
They drafted a lot of college seniors, no? What the heck else are they going to do, get a real job? :-)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 11, 2012, 01:42:49 pm
White Sox finalizing deal with Barnum High-school first baseman selected with No. 48 pick
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 06/11/12 2:01 PM ET
CHICAGO -- Keon Barnum, selected by the White Sox in the Compensation Round A portion of the 2012 First-Year Player Draft as compensation for free agent Mark Buehrle going to the Marlins, will sign with the White Sox for $950,000 according to a baseball source and MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo.
That $950,000 is just below the assigned pick value of $1,052,500 for pick No. 48. The left-handed Barnum, who checks in at 6-foot-4 and 225 pounds, will be looked at as a first baseman but possibly could see time in the outfield and was in Arizona on Monday for his physical.
This talented high-school player has drawn comparisons to both Fred McGriff and Ryan Howard. During a conference call last week to talk about Barnum and Courtney Hawkins, the organization's top pick at No. 13 and also a high-school selection, White Sox director of amateur scouting Doug Laumann indicated Barnum's negotiations would be quick.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 11, 2012, 08:28:33 pm
The White Sox saved a total of $143,600 under their slot values on the four signees (Barnum, DeMichele, Isler & Johnson).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2012, 09:31:49 pm
Good, they can use what they save on the picks outside the top 10. Every little bit helps.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2012, 09:39:30 pm
Charlie Leesman, the LH starter for Charlotte, went 7 innings in the 4-2 win. He is now 7-4 with 2.42 ERA, that along with Doyle 6-3, 2.83, Axelrod, 5-3 2.53 and Charlie Shirek 6-3 3.87. Nice rotation thus far. Need a 5th, Zaleski not cutting it. Dan Johnson hit his 15th homer tonight
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 12, 2012, 08:35:36 am
Sounds like we have some good arms ready to bring up in case of an emergency or trade off the major league roster. I am disappointed with both Humber and Floyd
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 12, 2012, 09:36:17 am
Axelrod should probably be here now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 13, 2012, 01:11:55 pm
Pitcher Thomas Royse, who missed all of last season because of elbow surgery, will start at Advanced Rookie Great Falls.
Mitch Mustain, the former Arkansas and USC quarterback, will be used as a reliever at Advanced Rookie Bristol.
ST. LOUIS -- Courtney Hawkins, who was taken with the 13th overall selection in the 2012 First-Year Player Draft, has agreed to terms with the White Sox, as confirmed by two sources to MLB.com.
The 18-year-old from Carroll High School in Corpus Christi, Texas, reportedly will sign for the recommended slot bonus of $2.475 million, pending a physical to take place Monday in Chicago. The White Sox made a high school player their top pick for the first time since 2001, when right-handed pitcher Kris Honel was taken out of Providence Catholic High School in New Lenox, Ill.
Hawkins batted .437 with 11 home runs, 39 RBIs, 56 runs scored, 17 stolen bases, a .580 on-base and .874 slugging percentage in 36 games with the Tigers this season. He also posted a 5-2 record with a 0.96 ERA, 57 strikeouts over 36 1/3 innings and had a velocity ranging from 92-96 mph when he pitched Carroll to a regional championship. But Hawkins' future is in the outfield.
Wonder why he's on Kenny's pay-no-mind list? Did he steal Kenny's lobster?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 15, 2012, 10:28:14 am
I really wonder where Hawkins will begin his career? Great Falls or Bristol.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 16, 2012, 10:54:13 pm
Bristol I bet
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 21, 2012, 04:21:52 pm
MSF, you might want to bookmark this link for future reference:
Nice page showing all the 2012 White Sox Draft picks along with their signing dates and links to their minor league stats. White Sox have signed all of their picks in rounds 1 thru 10 (eleven players).
He's clearly trying to fool some of the people all of the time.
I can't believe no one's played a lameass Barnum reference as I just did. You guys pretty much suck.
heh, way better than my idea of checking to see if we have Bailey in the minors...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 22, 2012, 08:56:27 am
Metodo, not one iota. I do not miss the work or the people honestly. I never fit into IBM, I am not a good white collar worker. Still not doing any part time work, been too busy travelling. Went to Minocqua, Wi with my son last week and played a professional disc golf course (where I have stayed before with Mrs MSF). Rained all day our first day, only got 25 holes in (27 hole course). The next day it was beautiful out, we played 88 holes. Remember now, this is all in the woods, and quite the walk up and down terrain. We were both so sore, I am finally getting over it a week later.
Was in Illinois the week before visiting bros and sisters in Kankakee area. Canada fishing trip coming up in August. 2 good concerts in next 2 weeks (Tedeschi/Trucks band at the Zoo and then Wilco here in Rochester).
So I am not lacking on things to do. I do look at want ads once in a while, but not sure who wants a part timer who may take off on a whim. Thank goodness the Mrs likes her job, heh.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 22, 2012, 09:18:51 am
heh, here's something I didn't expect to read in 2012:
"(Omogrosso) is better than I've ever seen him," [Sox farm director Buddy] Bell said.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 22, 2012, 09:22:06 am
Something else I didn;t expect to see:
International League South Club W L PCT▼ GB Home Away L 10 Streak Charlotte Knights (CWS) 43 32 .573 - 23-14 20-18 6-4 W1 Gwinnett Braves (ATL) 37 38 .493 6.0 22-19 15-19 2-8 L6 Norfolk Tides (BAL) 35 40 .467 8.0 22-19 13-21 7-3 W2 Durham Bulls (TB) 33 42 .440 10.0 17-18 16-24 6-4 W1
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Post by: BlackSox on June 22, 2012, 09:23:37 am
W-S won the first half division title. B-ham and Kanny... not so much.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 22, 2012, 11:40:05 am
Org is something like 15 games over .500. A very big surprise. Omogrosso has never stayed healthy for an entire year, interesting to see how he does, 99 MPH as a sidearmer?? (he may even be a submariner).
Deunte Heath and Bruney appear to be folks who can help. Heath was highly rated Braves prospect until arrested for solicitation. Bruney has lost a ton of weight, and now starting. Said he is throwing like 5mph harder than last year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 22, 2012, 06:38:52 pm
I should have mentioned Barnum hit homers in both ends of the DH last night, had singles in both games too. Started out tonight with a single and RBI, 6 now in this 4th game for Bristol.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 22, 2012, 06:54:12 pm
Chrissakes, Barnum is now 2-2 with yet another dinger. He now has homered in 3 straight games (missing only on opening night).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 22, 2012, 07:21:31 pm
Chrissakes, Barnum is now 2-2 with yet another dinger. He now has homered in 3 straight games (missing only on opening night).
I'll be tickled pink if either or both Barnum & Hawkins prove me wrong. However, I won't start getting my hopes up until they do well in Double-A or better.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 22, 2012, 07:51:02 pm
Barnum got some good press in the tampa area when he committed to Miami.
by the reports he had a real good work ethic.
Hate that we drafted a 1bman... but if his bat/work ethic work out who cares what position he plays....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 22, 2012, 08:46:13 pm
Jesus Christ, do you guys even give a shiite about what happens with the big league team? Or is bus league shiit the only thing you wank on. . . oh yeah, all of these "prospects" are key, but the percentage of them that get beyond the Lucky the Wonder Dog Delivering Balls to the Umpire and Here Comes the Tossing of Squishy Stress Balls Into the Crowd By The Actual Team are like, tiny. Man I hate minor league massturbation.
I love randomly ranting.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 23, 2012, 08:46:24 am
ah luv the kids
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Post by: BlackSox on June 23, 2012, 11:21:58 am
"massturbation"
Methinks you just invented a new word. "Excessive figurative wanking by the masses".
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Post by: ISF on June 23, 2012, 12:46:23 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 28, 2012, 07:21:05 am
Phegley seemingly having a good year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 02, 2012, 07:18:46 pm
Second baseman Joey DeMichele, the Sox's third-round pick in the June draft, was promoted to Class A Kannapolis after batting .348 in 46 at-bats at Advanced Rookie Bristol.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 06, 2012, 03:32:37 pm
Thanks, had not seen that yet. The kid I am anxious to see throw is Deunte Heath, I think he may have it.
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Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on July 06, 2012, 03:38:58 pm
That's a sweet looking minor league park they have down there btw. It's right in there with all the NCAA Museum (yawn) and a cool little area with ponds and such. Indianapolis seems like a pretty cool place but I only spent a day there.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 09, 2012, 01:08:26 pm
Stolen from Soxtalk:
Jim Callis @jimcallisBA RT @BAHighSchool: #WhiteSox signed Sammy Ayala for $258,800. Calif HS C went in 17th rd. Physical w/ plus arm, good pop. #mlbdraft
That leaves 2 unsigned from the top 32 rounds: #13 #15
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 09, 2012, 01:27:45 pm
If I had guessed, we would have signed the kid drafted 13th, and this Ayala kid would have not been signed (he was considered a tougher sign). Anyways, cool, this Ayala kid is a pleasant surprise. Still think we might sign the Thompson kid (13th rounder from John A Logan CC).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 11, 2012, 11:03:18 am
•The Dodgers acquired minor league infielder Osvaldo Martinez from the White Sox for cash considerations, Dylan Hernandez of the LA Times tweets. Martinez, 24, had a .178/.221/.229 batting line in 230 plate appearances for Chicago's top affiliate this year. The White Sox acquired him last fall in the deal that sent manager Ozzie Guillen to Miami.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 11, 2012, 11:35:30 am
Wow. All kinds of bad news today.
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Post by: WshflThinking on July 11, 2012, 03:33:10 pm
Haha
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 12, 2012, 07:38:57 pm
Is Wilder still in the org helping with the draft? Here is a pic of our 17th rounder we just signed, Ayala.
32nd round pick Steve Nikorak was 'promoted' from Great Falls to Bristol despite hitting only .207 to cover for the injuries to Keon Barnum and 3rd baseman Corey Thompson (31st round pick):
After a decent start, 1st round pick Courtney Hawkins has gone cold. BAvg. has dropped to .234 with a 8 to 1 K to BB ratio. He has K'ed in 30% of his plate appearances.
2012 MLB Draft signing deadline is today, Friday July 13th, at 5:00pm (ET).
White Sox draftees still unsigned include 11th round pick RHP Eric Jaffe, 13th round pick LHP Derek Thompson, and 15th round LHP Jordan Guerrero. Nine other White Sox picks starting with the 25th round still remain unsigned too.
Someone's asleep at 35th & Veeck Drive as the White Sox have yet to update their list of signees on their own site.
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Most in the fold
After Friday’s deadline to sign draft picks, the Sox have 28 of their first 29 picks under contract and 32 of their 41 picks overall. Left-hander Derek Thompson of John A. Logan College (13th round) did not sign.
I'm disappointed the White Sox didn't sign freshman LHP Derek Thompson from John A. Logan CC. I saw him pitch when he was a junior in the 2010 Class 2A State Championship game at Silver Cross Field in Joliet. He was impressive as he scattered 6 hits as his Teutopolis HS Wooden Shoes team upset the, then undefeated (40-0), Harrisburg HS Bulldogs 5-1 to win the Illinois Class 2A State Championship. He also was pretty impressive at the plate that weekend as he went 5 for 7 with 3 runs scored and 4 RBI as the lead-off hitting CF/P for the Wooden Shoes. Thompson was chosen 1st team Class 2A All-State in both his junior and senior years as his Teutopolis HS team won back-to-back State Class 2A Championships. Would have liked to see him in our system even though he topped out in the high 80s as a HS senior.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 14, 2012, 04:34:56 pm
Always love it when I get a Teutopolis Wooden Shoes reference...
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 14, 2012, 04:42:39 pm
Mark Gonzales @MDGonzales Sox sign Luis Castillo for $450K, according to Brian Mejia of Dominican Prospect League. Described as dead pull hitter, runs well for size
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Post by: WshflThinking on July 17, 2012, 08:01:37 am
Link doesnt work
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 17, 2012, 08:37:31 am
Luis Castillo, a third baseman from the Dominican Republic, has agreed to sign with the White Sox for $450,000.
Castillo, 16, is 6-foot-2, 205 pounds with a sound righthanded swing and plus power. Castillo played in the Dominican Prospect League and trained with Carlos Hernandez, who is known as "Cambo."
Earlier this month the White Sox also signed 16-year-old Dominican shortstop Johan Cruz, who some scouts considered one of the better shortstops on the island for July 2.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 17, 2012, 08:55:39 am
I see Miguel Socolovich made it up to the Orioles 25-man roster and pitched in that game last night where Twins scored 19. Socolovich was one of the 2 pitchers we got from the Red Sox long ago when we traded Aardsma to them. He had been a nice long man in our pens in AA and AAA the past couple years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 25, 2012, 08:32:00 pm
Axelrod went 5 innings vs Yankees AAA squad this evening. 1 hit is all he gave up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: boatdrink on July 25, 2012, 10:36:44 pm
No long face, then?
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Post by: msf on July 26, 2012, 08:57:26 am
heh. I betcha Axelrod hates Blacksox for bringing that up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 26, 2012, 09:09:56 am
Great Falls won the 1st half season in the Pioneer league, so that goes along with Winston-Salem doing same in the Carolina league. In AAA, Charlotte has a 7 game lead, they do not have half seasons in AAA. So it looks like once again that 3 out of our 6 teams will be in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 26, 2012, 10:10:02 am
Knights fans want their pitchers back. Probably were glad when Crain was activated and we traded for that goofball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 26, 2012, 10:11:42 am
They have a helluva pen down there actually. Might be better than some major league teams.
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Post by: BlackSox on August 02, 2012, 03:12:59 pm
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Post by: msf on August 04, 2012, 08:06:45 am
No Andy, not a thing. I expected him back this week, but they have been rained out almost every day. All I have heard is "shoulder"
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Post by: msf on August 04, 2012, 08:21:07 am
Santiago made his first Minor League start since being sent down. He K'd the side in the first, pitched 3 innings, 2 hits 0 runs and 5 Ks. Bruney followed with 2 scoreless innings as well.
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Post by: msf on August 04, 2012, 08:27:26 am
Andy, Barnum was in the lineup for their DH last night, but of course it was cancelled, 12 rainouts for them since the 1st of July I think.
I see a kid who played last night vs Great Falls has the name Socrates Brito. Hope he pronounces it So-Crates.
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Post by: msf on August 08, 2012, 03:31:26 pm
Hector Santiago went 5 shutout innings in the 2-1 Charlotte win this afternoon. 3 hits, 3 walks and 3 Ks.
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Post by: BlackSox on August 14, 2012, 04:38:43 pm
•The White Sox have agreed to terms with Dominican right-hander Victor Done, according to Ben Badler of Baseball America. The 16-year-old Done has a good delivery and throws a hard fastball and sharp curveball, reports Badler, who adds that the South Siders have "significantly increased" their international presence over the past year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on August 14, 2012, 04:54:44 pm
Dunn and Done.
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Post by: Fury on August 14, 2012, 06:06:03 pm
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...the South Siders have "significantly increased" their international presence over the past year.
Now THAT'S good news.
It's probably pronounced "Doe-nay."
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 15, 2012, 01:09:19 pm
The White Sox have signed Jose Lopez to a minor league contract and assigned him to their Triple-A affiliate, according to the International League transactions page. The Indians released the utility man over the weekend.
Lopez, 28, hit .249/.272/.366 in 224 plate appearances for Cleveland this year while playing first, second, third, and right field. He has already appeared in one game for Chicago's Triple-A squad in Charlotte, picking up three hits including a double
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Post by: BlackSox on August 22, 2012, 02:37:14 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 22, 2012, 04:31:20 pm
Yeah, Sanchez took promotion to AA real well. He is who made Kuhn expendable. Mitchell has been almost solid in AAA since his promotion. Trayce Thompson has been en fuego since promotion to AA, Keenyn Walker has held his own in High A ball, and the kid from Texas, Hawkins, has torn up Low A ball since promotion a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 23, 2012, 08:39:40 am
Zach Stewart vs Charlotte tonight, he is 3-4 with a 4.15 ERA since we moved him.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 25, 2012, 04:28:03 pm
The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball announced today that three Minor League players have been suspended following their violations of the Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.
Detroit Tigers Minor League outfielder Darren Driggers has been suspended for 50 games without pay after testing positive for a metabolite of Drostanolone. The suspension of Driggers, who is currently on the roster of the Gulf Coast League Tigers, is effective immediately. Chicago White Sox Minor League shortstop Carlos Gonzalez has been suspended for 50 games without pay after testing positive for metabolites of Stanozolol. The suspension of Gonzalez, who is currently on the roster of the Dominican Summer League White Sox, is effective immediately.
Seattle Mariners Minor League right-handed pitcher David Pauley has been suspended for 50 games without pay following a second violation for a drug of abuse. The suspension of Pauley, who is currently on the roster of the Triple-A Tacoma Rainiers of the Pacific Coast League, is effective immediately.
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Post by: WshflThinking on August 26, 2012, 06:01:36 am
At least MLB is finding this stuff. But sooner rather than later somebody will make the stuff using a masking ingredient that will make it undetectable. There will always be cheaters.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on August 26, 2012, 06:03:04 am
....not that I agree with cheating.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 28, 2012, 12:25:54 pm
Not so good for Winston-Salem in High A ball. Erik Johnson was cruising, hit a bad inning. Courtney Hawkins is amazing. Homer in High A ball playoffs. This kid is just out of HS. Looking like a real quality player thus far.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 05, 2012, 10:46:51 pm
Erik Johnson was cruising, hit a bad inning
He had a damned fine year in his first full year of pro ball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 05, 2012, 10:49:11 pm
Hawkins is still 18, and did quite well across 3 levels of the mInors since getting drafted in June. A Guy To Keep An Eye On.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 07, 2012, 09:07:33 am
Charlotte won game 2, now up 2-0 in 5 game series. Raced off to a huge lead and held on late. That pitcher we hammered is one of the top rated kids around.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 09, 2012, 10:21:48 am
Thanks for the updates!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 09, 2012, 10:41:11 am
Charlotte's next series will be vs the Pawtucket Red Sox, they beat the Yankees AAA team. I imagine we might have a Zach Stewart sighting. They start play on Tuesday
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 09, 2012, 08:27:39 pm
Charlotte off til Tuesday (was that a band name?)
Winston-Salem evens things up in their series 1-1, keep an eye out for these two bullpen kids, Vance has been real good all year when not starting, and Taylor Thompson has always been one of my sleeper picks.
Charlie Leesman won't be joining the White Sox for the rest of the 2012 season:
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Charlotte lost ace pitcher Charlie Leesman for the series with what appears to be a torn left ACL. Leesman had an MRI on Wednesday and was on crutches in the clubhouse.
“He should be ready to go in spring training,” manager Joel Skinner said.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on October 01, 2012, 12:53:24 pm
•The White Sox finalized the signing of Dominican shortstop Johan Cruz with a $450K deal. Cruz, a 6'1" right-handed hitter, was the club's only pickup from the July 2nd class of this year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on October 11, 2012, 10:32:21 am
Razzball on the Sox minor Leagues.
2013 Minor League Preview: Chicago White Sox October 10, 2012 by: Scott Evans Category: Fantasy Baseball Prospects
Organizational Talent Rankings via Baseball America 2012 (30) | 2011 (27) | 2010 (23) | 2009 (16) | 2008 (30)
2012 Affiliate Records MLB: [85-77] AL Central AAA: [83-61] International League — Charlotte AA: [63-76] Southern League — Birmingham A+: [87-51] Carolina League — Winston-Salem A: [61-78] South Atlantic League — Kannapolis
Arizona Fall League Players — Salt River Rafters Andre Rienzo (RHP); Santos Rodriguez (LHP); Salvador Sanchez (RHP); Taylor Thompson (RHP); Carlos Sanchez (2B); Andy Wilkins (1B); Trayce Thompson (OF)
Graduated Prospects of Note Addison Reed (RHP); Jose Quintana (RHP); Hector Santiago (LHP)
The Run Down The MLB Divisional Series are still raging and, for most, it’s a little early to start digging into 2013 previews of any sort. Alas, we have a schedule to maintain here. As usual, we’ll ease you into these team-by-team minor league previews, starting from the bottom, and working our way toward the more compelling organizations as we approach Opening Day 2013. So, here we are in the cellar: the Chicago White Sox. And believe me, it doesn’t get any lower than this. Perhaps, though, it’s unfair to bash the Sox for their lousy farm system. Owner Jerry Reinsdorf and President Kenny Williams have consistently approached their organization from a MLB-first perspective — they don’t spend much in drafts and their player development systems are lagging. But the White Sox aren’t ignorant to these flaws; they just don’t care. They’re a principled franchise, and they’re reasonably successful in what they do and how they do it. Frankly, I don’t endorse this baseball operations model — it kinda goes without saying that I’m a prospecty, build-from-within sort of dude. But while I watch other organizations tiptoe the line between development-first and MLB-first organizational philosophies, I must admit that it’s refreshing to see Sox standing their ground, flippin’ the bird to all the Keith Laws out there.
Removed the top 10 prospects list so you click on the link below... and ang doesnt beat me up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on October 11, 2012, 10:45:36 am
for all the criticism the system gets, I'm pretty happy with the quality and quantity of young players, from Reed, beckham down to the recent draftees. Too bad Morel has flamed out
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on October 11, 2012, 11:11:37 am
I'm not... last all-star position player we got out of our system was?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on October 11, 2012, 11:23:45 am
I'm talking about the current crop of young players. So, unlikely any would have been an all-star by now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on October 11, 2012, 11:45:26 am
Like an All-Star pick is any reflection of how good a player is. What a croc...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on October 11, 2012, 12:00:10 pm
Like an All-Star pick is any reflection of how good a player is. What a croc...
Generally... yea it is. you can argue some are not deserving of the spot, when compared to other players... but we've really had zero success with above avg home grown hitters in the last 5-6 years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 11, 2012, 12:29:09 pm
Homegrown... alright with me Homegrown... that's the way it should be Homegrown... it's a good thing Plant that bell and let it ring
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 11, 2012, 12:33:39 pm
heh
We should not be 30th, we still have some quality. Oh well, we showed em this year and hopefully Omogrosso becomes a quality reliever and can help us next year if Myers is let go. I can appreciate the way the Sox do it, but still think drafting better would help enable trading, maybe we could have gotten Greinke instead of Liriano at the deadline.
Go A's
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on October 11, 2012, 12:34:14 pm
Blackie: pushing the boundaries of subjects that fall under the "Down on the Farm" umbrella.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 15, 2012, 02:08:47 pm
Nice article on our farm kids, basically who had the best years for us at each position.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 15, 2012, 04:16:12 pm
Thanks for posting. Sanchez & Snodgrass have me intrigued... the rest, meh.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 15, 2012, 07:24:22 pm
I like those 2, I always liked Taylor Thompson, I like Trayce Thompson and I like Semien.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 18, 2012, 09:16:23 am
Sox cut about a dozen minor leaguers, most of them rookie ball. One player further up the chain we finally released was Jon Gilmore, what a stiff. The guy just never made it, struck out too much and did not know what to use a glove for. He was the big name in the Vazquez trade in which we got Lilli, Flowers and a minor league LH named Santos Rodriguez, who is in AA or AAA now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on October 18, 2012, 04:01:07 pm
That's too bad. I hope someone picks him up, my friend Jessie is married to him. She used to be one of the skating teachers where my son took lessons.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on October 18, 2012, 04:43:49 pm
"I like Semien"
I bet you do
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on October 18, 2012, 05:21:40 pm
Ten guys saw it and all ten were tempted to respond, but only Shoe actually goes ahead and does so...
Group-thanks, Shoe!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on October 18, 2012, 06:28:31 pm
I know ya'll were waiting for me. It had to be done
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 18, 2012, 06:55:48 pm
Bastages. Never even crossed my mind. Guess I pronounce it differently.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 23, 2012, 12:44:38 pm
White Sox right-hander Andre Rienzo, a skinny Brazilian who was suspended for PED use in the spring, has been as impressive as any pitcher at the start of the Arizona Fall League. He has combined a mid-90s fastball and a high-80s cutter to strike out 10 in seven innings without allowing an earned run. He could jump from Double A to the big leagues next spring. …
Thompson shows room for growth Sox prospect relishes polishing all facets of game in AFL
By Mark Gonzales, Chicago Tribune reporter - 4:24 p.m. CDT, October 27, 2012
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — Based on Trayce Thompson's 6-foot-3, 195-pound frame, Salt River manager and former major league All-Star third baseman Matt Williams is impressed with the White Sox's 21-year-old prospect.
"I look at him from the back, and I say, 'OK, 20 more pounds, and that's (Giancarlo) Stanton,' " said Williams, referring to the Marlins' slugging outfielder who hit a career-high 37 home runs in 2012.
In addition to filling out his frame, Thompson is polishing various facets of his game in the Arizona Fall League, which has served as a tough challenge for him after a successful summer.
"The competition has been good," said Thompson, who was hitting .154 in 26 at-bats for Salt River after hitting 25 home runs and driving in 96 runs at Class-A Winston-Salem and Double-A Birmingham before receiving a promotion to Triple-A Charlotte for the playoffs.
"The toughest thing is not playing every day. Everyone here is used to playing every day. But you get your work in on the days you don't play. This is probably the most prestigious (offseason) league, so it's great."
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 31, 2012, 10:50:57 am
Beckham better watch out. Carlos Sanchez is starting to get hot in AFL. He is now batting 5th in their lineup (the 1st place team) and is up to about .280 with an OBP over .400 and he also stole his 8th base already.
Also, Trayce Thompson been much better of late, even laid down a sac bunt to get Sanchez into scoring position last night for winning run. Rienzo went 5 innings, 3 runs and 6 Ks. His ERA is 2.70.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on October 31, 2012, 01:06:20 pm
I would have no problem moving Beckham back to 3B and inserting Sanchez at 2B.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 31, 2012, 03:31:46 pm
I would have no problem moving Beckham back to 3B and inserting Sanchez at 2B.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on October 31, 2012, 04:08:08 pm
Beckham gets at least one more year, IMO. He's shows flashes of promise at the plate but can't sustain it.
Hawk pointed out during last season that once Beckham learns to "feel" hitting instead of thinking about it, he's going to click. Claimed that was also when Konerko took his offense to the next level.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 31, 2012, 04:20:42 pm
I like the fact Sanchez is a switch hitter.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 31, 2012, 06:21:05 pm
I agree with 4nek... Beckham gets one more shot.
Besides, we have bigger problems to address, namely 3B and Catcher. The former being the area where Hahn really needs to hit the proverbial home run.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 31, 2012, 08:53:29 pm
I am ok with Beckham, he has some power, gets his fair share of RBIs at bottom of order and plays a really nice 2B. He also would play a nice 3B.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 01, 2012, 09:32:16 am
If you want to give him another shot, I'd suggest that maybe you don't want to be changing positions on him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on November 07, 2012, 01:02:53 pm
Minor League free agents -- some familiar (and funny) names int here:
Brett Tomko & Felix Pie are (were) still in baseball?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 08, 2012, 09:13:52 am
Wow, Tomko is 39 years old, hanging in there. He's played for pretty much everyone at this point. Scott Elarton, 36, trying to make a comeback.
Jack Cust- I remember him having his moment in the sun.
Hey, there's Canadian Mark Teahen!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on November 08, 2012, 12:23:33 pm
Forgot we had Conor Jackson. He should get a look in LF if we move Vicedo to 3B. Thought Jackson was supposed to get some time at 3B in Minors too, before he got injured.
Jackson is a bat we could use if he's healthy.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 08, 2012, 01:59:08 pm
Conor Jackson is AAA fodder.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 08, 2012, 01:59:28 pm
Conor Jackson is AAA fodder
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on November 08, 2012, 02:18:02 pm
Jackson is better than AAA fodder. He's just been injured.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on November 08, 2012, 02:22:36 pm
He's no all-star, but we don't need one of those. He's a guy who, when given 500 abs in Arizona, was generating 15 HRs, 70 RBIs, a .290 AVG and a .370 OBP, on average.
I think that's probably better than what Youk gave us this year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 08, 2012, 03:43:10 pm
Those are better than Youk numbers easily. He was not that good at Charlotte, a hitters park. Maybe he is still hurt? I liked him at Arizona, but maybe that dry air aided his stats a bit?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on November 09, 2012, 08:49:58 am
Could be any number of things. I'd just like to see them give him a long look in ST. If he's right, we've got ourselves a cheap in-house solution and money that might have gone to that position can go to C or P.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 09, 2012, 09:10:00 am
Sounds plausible. But you dont want to be looking for talent come March if it doesnt work out.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 09, 2012, 02:41:25 pm
I don't think Conor Jackson is in their plans for 2013. If he was they would have called him up when the rosters were expanded on September 1st.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 12, 2012, 11:21:33 am
Baseball America top 10 Sox prospects
1. Courtney Hawkins, of 2. Trayce Thompson, of 3. Carlos Sanchez, ss/2b 4. Erik Johnson, rhp 5. Keenyn Walker, of 6. Scott Snodgress, lhp 7. Andre Rienzo, rhp 8. Keon Barnum, 1b 9. Jared Mitchell, of 10. Chris Beck, rhp
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 12, 2012, 11:23:08 am
Best tools, easy there JJ, not something to get excited about
Best Hitter for Average Carlos Sanchez Best Power Hitter Courtney Hawkins Best Strike Zone Discipline Tyler Saladino Fastest Baserunner Keenyn Walker Best Athlete Courtney Hawkins Best Fastball Jeff Soptic Best Curveball Kevin Vance Best Slider Erik Johnson Best Changeup Charlie Leesman Best Control Nestor Molina Best Defensive Catcher Miguel Gonzalez Best Defensive Infielder Carlos Sanchez Best Infield Arm Juan Silverio Best Defensive OF Jordan Danks Best Outfield Arm Jose Martinez
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 12, 2012, 11:29:09 am
Most of the top 10 you know about, here is the one pitcher who really excites me. #4, Erik Johnson.
Background: White Sox coaches were thrilled when Johnson arrived at their Arizona complex in 2011, with one saying, "This is what we're looking for." After he recovered from shoulder fatigue in spring training that delayed his 2012 season until June, Johnson posted a 2.53 ERA in 17 regular season starts and took a no-hitter into the sixth inning in the first round of the Carolina League playoffs.
Scouting Report: Johnson uses his strong build to throw a low-90s fastball that peaks at 96. His slider is a potential plus pitch with depth and bite, and his curveball is nearly as good. He's still learning to add and subtract from his changeup, which lags behind his other pitches. He worked diligently on his changeup during instructional league, with club officials encouraged by the results. Johnson has refined his mechanics since signing, which has paid off with some extra velocity and improved control late in the 2012 season. He still needs to prove he can hold up over the course of a full season.
The Future: White Sox scouts compare him to Curt Schilling, though realistically Johnson's ceiling is more as a No. 3 starter. A lack of pitching depth was an issue for Chicago down the stretch in 2012, and it has no starting pitching prospect with as much upside as Johnson. He could open 2013 in Double-A and compete for a big league rotation spot in 2014.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on November 12, 2012, 11:45:57 am
easy there JJ, not something to get excited about
This is the bus leagues topic so there's not much likelihood of that happening even if you posted Alyssa Milano pics.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 12, 2012, 12:21:13 pm
heh
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on November 12, 2012, 05:35:04 pm
Lack of pitching depth? It's the one thing the org has is a ton of quality young pitchers.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 12, 2012, 07:50:54 pm
I think you have been reading a bunch of hype.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on November 13, 2012, 12:32:24 pm
I think we should get us a bunch of AAAA players and try to catch lightning in a bottle.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on November 13, 2012, 12:36:45 pm
It's looking like Jared Mitchell, for all the hype and buildup a few years ago, is going to be another one that won't make it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on November 17, 2012, 01:31:52 pm
AZ Fall League Championship is on MLBtv in 30 minutes. Team with Sox guys is playing. Chance to check out Sanchez.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 17, 2012, 02:08:18 pm
He had a nice fall, almost hit .300, let AFL in SBs and drove in quite a few runs.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 17, 2012, 03:49:40 pm
Last I checked, Salt River was down 4-3 in about the 4th or 5th inning. Sanchez was 2-2 with 2 runs scored and a SB. Santos Rodriguez pitched a scoreless inning in relief.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on November 18, 2012, 08:23:00 pm
any chance Sanchez makes the team out of ST?
We might just have a killer rotation of Sale and Peavy are healthy. I think Santiago could be very good. Too bad Morel was a bust.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 18, 2012, 08:41:03 pm
I think he can be our 3Bman, but we will not get power from that position if that happens.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 18, 2012, 08:46:40 pm
We were second I think in HR's, even if Sanchez hits only a couple, we would be still around 200 HR's, but better defense and speed, and OBP.
I'd prefer we aquire Rendon from the Nats for Floyd and ? Morel?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 19, 2012, 09:02:49 am
Rendon was on the same AFL team as Sanchez. Sanchez actually played 2B for the most part. He played 3B a lot during the season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 19, 2012, 07:53:07 pm
Juan, do you really think the Nats part with Rendon? I think they might since they locked up Zimmerman
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 19, 2012, 07:58:48 pm
The only negative thing I see about Rendon is he is a Boras client. It would surprise me to see the Sox go after Rendon.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 19, 2012, 08:56:48 pm
The Nats are interested in Gavin, as they want another veteran starter, Zimmerman won't move to first for at least three years. They will either resign LaRoche for 2-3 years, or if they don't sign him, move Morse to first.
They are desperate to get to the WS next year, cuz half the area is still pissed off over shutting Strass down.
They also see Rendon as a risk because he's injury prone, but they know he could be a very big star.
I agree with the Boras concern,, but it's time to try and work with the guy. The Nats did, and have signed Strassburg and Harper, and Rendon.
Tigers have reloaded big time this off season, and I'm in favor in getting whatever we can in young talent.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on November 19, 2012, 11:09:28 pm
That Strasburg situation is still laughable. There were a handful of other ways to go if they were worried about limiting his innings that didn't involve ending his season in August. Serves them right for pi$sing away a shot at a title.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 20, 2012, 08:20:28 am
That Strasburg situation is still laughable. There were a handful of other ways to go if they were worried about limiting his innings that didn't involve ending his season in August. Serves them right for pi$sing away a shot at a title.
One of the most absolute worst decisions I have seen in MLB was that GM for the Nats sticking with that stupid plan. He outta be fired.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on November 21, 2012, 08:42:20 am
The Nats are interested in Gavin
Juan, have there actually been rumblings that the Nats have Gavin on their radar or is this just your opinion knowing that the Nats want another veteran starter?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on November 21, 2012, 07:29:57 pm
The White Sox signed catcher Bryan Anderson and left-hander David Purcey to minor league deals
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on November 21, 2012, 11:30:18 pm
Juan, have there actually been rumblings that the Nats have Gavin on their radar or is this just your opinion knowing that the Nats want another veteran starter?
Rule,
Yes, on Nat chat rooms, and also from someone I know who has some access to inside info. Gavin also is from the area. The O's I'm told are also interested.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2012, 08:06:45 am
I wonder what the O's could offer that would be interesting.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2012, 08:08:19 am
If I were fishing for a catcher or a 3Bman, I wonder whats available?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 23, 2012, 09:02:50 am
Won't get their 3Bman, Machado is going to likely be a star. Maybe they have another 3Bman, but I do not think so.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on November 23, 2012, 10:10:41 am
That is what I was asking. So who does have an up and coming C or 3B that might be worth trading Floyd?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on November 29, 2012, 07:55:14 am
Thanks, Juan.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on November 29, 2012, 01:16:25 pm
Not only has the White Sox spent more on international signings, Paddy is also in the process of hiring five new scouts to help the White Sox cover more ground in the international game.
“Unfortunately, it's going to take some time but we have to start somewhere,” Bell said. “Because of what happened a few years back you become a little paranoid about the system. We are all in now.”
Hector Gimenez is in the midst of another huge offseason.
Gimenez, who is projected to be the White Sox backup catcher behind Tyler Flowers, carries a .307/.385/.521 slash line with seven homers and 28 RBIs in 140 at-bats in Venezuela this winter.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 12, 2013, 10:51:18 am
Hector Gimenez is in the midst of another huge offseason.
Gimenez, who is projected to be the White Sox backup catcher behind Tyler Flowers, carries a .307/.385/.521 slash line with seven homers and 28 RBIs in 140 at-bats in Venezuela this winter.
Well, that sounds promising. The guy has always hit, wonder how good he catches it, as he has played other positions too.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on January 12, 2013, 05:41:21 pm
The report I saw unless I somehow misread it said he he only had those ABs in the minors. This report says he was our AAA catcher in Charlotte. I thought he was somehow injured those 2 years. It sounds like he is much farther along in his development than I thought eventhough I had never heard of him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 12, 2013, 06:20:59 pm
We picked him up as a minor league FA last year, it was his only year in our system.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Joshpr on January 12, 2013, 10:56:41 pm
I think Ruiz was a roider, anyways he plays for my mayaguez Indians down home. Who signed Dan Johnson? Wish we would have given him a shot..
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 13, 2013, 08:56:57 am
Johnson has not signed with anyone yet. Sounds like he is not in our plans however.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 21, 2013, 08:14:55 am
Chicago White Sox Signed: RHP Tony Pena Jr., LHP Steven Evans (released by Twins, July 24), 3B Nick Giarraputo (New Jersey (Can-Am)) Draft pick signed: OF Jason Coats (29)
Tony Pena Jr.'s second career as a righthanded pitcher has taken him through the Royals, Giants and Red Sox organizations prior to settling with the White Sox this month. (You may recall that Chicago took a chance on another converted shortstop in ’09 when it signed Sergio Santos.) Pena garnered attention in the Dominican League, where he led the league with 11.4 SO/9 and ranked fifth with a .195 opponent average, while throwing to his brother Francisco, a Mets farmhand. Tony helped pitch Cibao to the playoffs, where he notched an 11-3 SO-BB ratio in 13 2/3 innings.
A Texas Christian senior, Coats was not subject to the signing deadline. His ’12 draft scouting report reads in part: "(Coats) set a school record with 99 hits in 2010 before turning in a strong summer in the Cape Cod League . . . (but) his righthanded swing got longer and his pitch recognition regressed (in 2011), and he dropped to the Orioles in the 12th round . . . Coats could be a slighty above-average hitter with average power . . . He fits best in left field with his fringy speed, arm and defense. He missed the Mountain West Conference tournament with a sprained right knee."
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on January 29, 2013, 04:20:02 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 29, 2013, 07:45:21 pm
Good
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on January 30, 2013, 03:28:27 pm
The White Sox signed right-hander Andrew Brackman, Eddy reports (on Twitter). The former first round pick posted a 6.71 ERA with 6.4 K/9 and 6.0 BB/9 in the Reds' minor league system last year. Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/01/minor-moves-delcarmen-delaney-pettit-brackman.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook#FHFGcCec0sEAJUGe.99
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on January 30, 2013, 04:38:11 pm
there was nothing "more to read" at that link, arrssehole
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 30, 2013, 09:02:56 pm
Was 1st rounder for Yankees, had one terrific year, his 2nd, then lost control. Went FA after 4 years and had a horrible year last year. 6 foot 10 inch dude, so he is one tall reclamation project.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 07, 2013, 01:33:06 pm
(http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/board/attachments/ootp-mods-rosters-photos-quick-starts/257411d1339033740-2012-draft-pick-photos-baseball-cards-courtney_hawkins.jpg) Hawkins eager to flip script on MLB arrival Five-tool prospect motivated to speed through White Sox system
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 3/10/2013 9:48 P.M. ET
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- The following scene opens with Courtney Hawkins as a starting outfielder for the Chicago White Sox.
Now, remember this is just an artist's rendering. The highly touted prospect's Major League reality looks more like 2015 or possibly even late 2014.
Hawkins steps to the plate, in his first big league at-bat, and launches a 420-foot drive into the left-center field seats at U.S. Cellular. Hey, if it's a hypothetical situation, it might as well be a good one.
As Hawkins rounds the bases with a smile on his face, he crosses home plate, celebrates with his teammates and now has a decision to make.
To backflip or not to backflip?
That question was posed recently to the team's top pick from the 2012 First-Year Player Draft (13th overall) after a day of workouts at the White Sox Minor League mini-camp. Hawkins flashed a $2.475 million smile, representing the slotted bonus he received, probably thought briefly about his perfectly executed backflip before being interviewed on Draft night in June, and then showed the wisdom of a seasoned veteran with his response.
"You have to ask Kenny Williams, Buddy Bell and Rick Hahn. That's up to them," said Hawkins, MLB.com's top-ranked White Sox prospect. "I'm not doing anything without their permission."
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 23, 2013, 11:24:47 am
Doesn't look like there's much going on down on the farm.
Charlotte blows, and has sucky pitching. The only guys hitting are Jordan Danks, Gallagher, and Phegley (sort of). Jared Mitchell ain't hitting for sh*t.
The other three teams are all around .500.
At B-ham, one of the few bright sports is Erik Johnson. Trayce Thompson and Keenan Walker ain't hitting for sh*t.
Winston-Salem has had some good starting pitching, with the exception of Bryan Blough, who in fact does blow. Chris Beck hasn't given up an ernie in 3 starts. On the bad side, Courtney Hawkins is Dunn-esque, with 5 HRs and whole lotta outs.
Kanny: Myles Jaye, a kid we got in the Jason Fraser trade last year, is off to a great start (he sucked last year). MSF: who is this Jason Coats kid? Did we draft him last year? He seems to be doing well so far.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on April 23, 2013, 11:41:49 am
Why is Thompson at AA? I thought we moved him to AAA last year?
This is Walker's first year at AA I believe. Let's see how he's doing in a month or two. Same with Mitchell at AAA.
I thought I had seen a couple lists that had Johnson as our best pitcher in the farm system. Is there anybody that is projected ahead of him?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 23, 2013, 02:39:14 pm
Doesn't look like there's much going on down on the farm.
Charlotte blows, and has sucky pitching. The only guys hitting are Jordan Danks, Gallagher, and Phegley (sort of). Jared Mitchell ain't hitting for sh*t.
The other three teams are all around .500.
At B-ham, one of the few bright sports is Erik Johnson. Trayce Thompson and Keenan Walker ain't hitting for sh*t.
Winston-Salem has had some good starting pitching, with the exception of Bryan Blough, who in fact does blow. Chris Beck hasn't given up an ernie in 3 starts. On the bad side, Courtney Hawkins is Dunn-esque, with 5 HRs and whole lotta outs.
Kanny: Myles Jaye, a kid we got in the Jason Fraser trade last year, is off to a great start (he sucked last year). MSF: who is this Jason Coats kid? Did we draft him last year? He seems to be doing well so far.
Coats was drafted in the 29th or 31st round last year. He was highly thought of as a Frosh/Soph, did very well with wooden bats in summer leagues. His Jr year he did not fare too well and then got a bad knee and had it operated on. From Texas A&M or Tech or one of them shitty schools in Texas. Could be a pleasant surprise.
Of those you said suck, Keenyn Walker has a chance. He gets on base a lot, via walks and hits. Real worried about Hawkins, they are pushing him way to hard. He is striking out something like 60% of his ABs, worse than Dunn does.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 23, 2013, 02:42:04 pm
Why is Thompson at AA? I thought we moved him to AAA last year?
This is Walker's first year at AA I believe. Let's see how he's doing in a month or two. Same with Mitchell at AAA.
I thought I had seen a couple lists that had Johnson as our best pitcher in the farm system. Is there anybody that is projected ahead of him?
Thompson only played in AAA due to their season lasting longer. He needs to play AA first IMHO. Mitchell has already been sent down to AA, he is toast. Thompson maybe will make it, doubtful however.
Johnson is one of the top 3 rated pitchers in our system as of now, he and Snodgress and and Chris Beck. Maybe Castro could be thought of. Molina sucks real bad and is on DL already. We got nothing for Sergio Santos.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 23, 2013, 02:44:46 pm
Thanks, MSF.
Why is Thompson at AA?
The recently-demoted Jared Mitchell needed a friend.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 23, 2013, 02:46:48 pm
The recently-demoted Jared Mitchell needed a friend.
Thompson/Mitchell/Walker, that is 8 Ks a game for opposing pitchers and that is just our Barons starting outfield.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on April 23, 2013, 03:37:09 pm
Boy, these last few posts have been depressing. It's bad enough that the big league squad is a hot mess....there ain't nothing to look forward to either.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: PeteWard on April 23, 2013, 04:08:54 pm
That's why the Big Club needs to suck for a few years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 23, 2013, 04:59:08 pm
Why is Thompson at AA? I thought we moved him to AAA last year?
This is Walker's first year at AA I believe. Let's see how he's doing in a month or two. Same with Mitchell at AAA.
I thought I had seen a couple lists that had Johnson as our best pitcher in the farm system. Is there anybody that is projected ahead of him?
Thompson only played in AAA due to their season lasting longer. He needs to play AA first IMHO. Mitchell has already been sent down to AA, he is toast. Thompson maybe will make it, doubtful however.
Johnson is one of the top 3 rated pitchers in our system as of now, he and Snodgress and and Chris Beck. Maybe Castro could be thought of. Molina sucks real bad and is on DL already. We got nothing for Sergio Santos.
The drafting of Mitchell because he reminded them of a young Kenny Williams instead of using the pick on Mike Trout who went to the Angels will haunt this organization for the next 15 years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 23, 2013, 05:15:56 pm
That's why the Big Club needs to suck for a few years.
The problem is unless you get lucky and ALL your top picks pan out (like Larry Himes did with the drafting of McDowell+Ventura+Thomas+Fernandez), it takes 6 to 9 years of constant sucking to build a contender. See the Nationals and Rays for examples. The Royals have sucked for a significant time frame and they still are question marks if they are real contenders this season. The Pirates have suck for over a decade and still with constant top 5 picks over all that time they still are non-contenders.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 23, 2013, 05:32:22 pm
That's why the Big Club needs to suck for a few years.
The problem is unless you get lucky and ALL your top picks pan out (like Larry Himes did with the drafting of McDowell+Ventura+Thomas+Fernandez), it takes 6 to 9 years of constant sucking to build a contender. See the Nationals and Rays for examples. The Royals have sucked for a significant time frame and they still are question marks if they are real contenders this season. The Pirates have suck for over a decade and still with constant top 5 picks over all that time they still are non-contenders.
Like Joseph said, if we had been spending money on the draft, we would have more youngin's to play or better yet, trade for proven players. I agree with Pete Ward, I am ready for a rebuild, even if it takes 5-10 years. As Blackie said, just release chodes like Dunn and take it in the shorts for a while. I gotta think Wise would give us more than Dunn does.
Andy, you like to complain that we did not take Trout. I doubt we would have even if we had passed on Mitchell. How many other teams passed on Trout. Cannot put that one on KW, altho you are correct, Mitchell reminds most of a guy like KW when he played.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 23, 2013, 09:24:08 pm
I got one more big complaint. Sox finally unloaded KW Jr in the offseason, traded to Rockies, yet to play over there, maybe they wised up and released him.
However, we now have Tyler Williams, an even worse player and yes another one of KWs kids, taking a prospects spot at 3B in Kanny. This guy is horrible, Ks almost as much as Dunn, has a worse average and today had 3 errors that cost us a game. He has 7 errors already this year. Just release the chode.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on April 24, 2013, 08:13:59 am
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Just release the chode.
And his father too.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on April 24, 2013, 02:51:01 pm
At least Kenny would be actively trying to figure out what to do at this point. Rick Hahn appears to be dead.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 24, 2013, 02:56:01 pm
Sounds like there's another Tyler in the mix! Would love to see the Sox field a team of Tylers!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on April 24, 2013, 03:02:50 pm
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Would love to see the Sox field a team of Tylers!
Yeah, hey, let's try JOHN Tyler out there... even though he's been dead for 150 years, he'd be better than some of the tools on the field now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Fury on April 24, 2013, 03:04:29 pm
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At least Kenny would be actively trying to figure out what to do at this point. Rick Hahn appears to be dead.
You don't think Kenny is involved in this team at all now? He had a role in assembling this so-called "product" on the field.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on April 24, 2013, 03:17:30 pm
John Tyler
Interesting you mention this, and it's now a bit old, but as of January 2012, Tyler still had two grandsons alive! Doing the math, Tyler was a stud.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 24, 2013, 06:02:43 pm
"Blake Tekotte" would be so much better if it were "Tyler Tekotte."
I hereby nominate a forum-wide name change to "Tyler Tekotte"
heh
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2013, 02:07:50 pm
Hawkins joins list of injured Minor League prospects
ARLINGTON -- The 2013 White Sox injury woes have not been limited to the Major League level.
Jared Mitchell, the team's top pick in the 2009 First-Year Player Draft, already was sidelined by a strained right oblique as part of Double-A Birmingham. And now Courtney Hawkins, the team's top pick in the 2012 First-Year Player Draft and 13th selection overall, left Wednesday night's game for Class A Winston-Salem with a left shoulder strain after diving for a ball in the outfield.
Hawkins, 19, will undergo an MRI exam on Friday in Winston-Salem and then be evaluated by White Sox doctors in Chicago early next week. The club's No. 1 prospect, according to MLB.com, had seven homers in 79 at-bats for the Dash but also was hitting just .177.
Keon Barnum, who was taken 48th overall in the 2012 First-Year Player Draft as a supplemental round selection, injured his left knee as the White Sox were ready to send the first baseman to Class A Kannapolis. Barnum had March surgery for a right hamate bone fracture and was working his way back.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 05, 2013, 08:24:05 am
Class-A second baseman Micah Johnson and outfielder Jason Coats were named to play for the North Division team in the South Atlantic League All-Star game on June 17 at Lakewood, N.J. Johnson is hitting .319 with 46 stolen bases. Coats is batting .283 with 32 RBIs.
Johnson is intriguing, fast, has pop and hitting very well. I want to compare him to Tim Raines at this point. But he also has 18 errors already as a 2Bman. Move him to LF now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 05, 2013, 12:03:57 pm
Hey.... Birmingham is in first place! Woo Hoo!
Doesn't look like they have much hitting, but they have some pitching.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2013, 01:09:10 am
Meet Tim Anderson, Chicago White Sox First Round Draft Pick
By Jacob Long | Yahoo! Contributor Network – 3 hours ago
With the 17th pick in the 2013 MLB First-Year Player Draft, the Chicago White Sox selected East Central Community College's Tim Anderson. Anderson is a speedy shortstop who led NJCAA Division II baseball in batting average and on base percentage at .495 and .568, respectively. His .879 slugging percentage placed second in the league while his 41 stolen bases placed fifth.
While the numbers are gaudy, it is worth taking them with a grain of salt as the level of play in Mississippi-based junior colleges is not exceptionally high. How did Anderson, a first round caliber talent, end up at an unheard of junior college program? He missed both his sophomore and junior high school baseball seasons due to an injury and his basketball team's state title run. This means he is rather inexperienced, but also that his recent rise to prominence was due to lack of exposure, not a flash in the pan after years of poor play.
The most obvious concern, nonetheless, is his overall lack of experience and the fact that he has not matched up against other players of his caliber on any consistent sort of basis. Given his relatively young age and this inexperience, look for him to start at rookie level ball where other high school players and less well-regarded college players often fill out the rosters. The bigger question will be whether his short season this year will be good enough for him to be ready to play at the A level next season; otherwise, he will have to spend half the season in extended spring training waiting for the rookie ball squads to start up after the draft.
Anderson was widely considered the second-best shortstop in the draft after J.P. Crawford, who was taken the pick before by Philadelphia. He is a tough player to predict for the experts because he was not a highly-regarded prep prospect and was still more or less off the map after his solid freshman season at East Central. Most uncertainty results from concerns about his competition. In my opinion, he was a more exciting and safer prospect than Crawford, but many others would disagree.
The obvious best tool for Anderson is his speed. He was successful in 41 out of 47 attempts at stolen bases this season and was a perfect 30 for 30 as a freshman. While he is not necessarily a freak speed-wise, it is a huge asset and he could become a 40 stolen base player at the next level. Expect the White Sox to push him aggressively on the basepaths as they have with prospect Micah Johnson, who has 47 stolen bases in 55 games at A-level Kannapolis. For the near term in the minor leagues, do not be alarmed if Anderson does not have a tremendous success rate as he steals because it is customary to push a young basestealer to really push the boundaries to learn his own limitations.
Defensively, reviews are mixed. While there are no reports that his defense is poor, his arm strength is commonly cited as a potential cause for a move to second base or the outfield. He is generally considered a solid defender with an average arm that needs more repetitions at a high level before conclusions can be drawn about his defense. At the least, he appears to have the athleticism and baseball skills to become a great centerfielder.
At the plate, White Sox fans will be relieved to hear that Anderson's contact tool is solid. While the caveat as with everything else is the level of his competition, it is highly unlikely that Anderson becomes a high strikeout player. He has the potential to become a very high contact player and has done a good job of putting the ball in play and letting his speed do the work in college. As you may have noticed with his high slugging percentage, both his speed and a little bit of raw power make for quite a few extra base hits. Time will tell whether his power will project as he is only 6'1" and 180 pounds, but he should at least avoid Juan Pierre territory when it comes to power.
Overall, the White Sox did not stray far from their draft philosophy with Anderson. He is raw and athletic, as have been many recent draft picks. On the bright side, however, he will be a player that can make contact and plays a premium position at shortstop. His style of play would suggest that he has a high floor, but the level of competition he has seen makes me hesitant to call him a high floor player. His ceiling is fairly high though, as he could be a decent fielding shortstop with flashes of power, a high on base percentage, and a good deal of stolen bases.
Interview with Tyler Danish: http://throughthefencebaseball.com/2013-mlb-draft-interview-with-rhp-tyler-danish/33438 (http://throughthefencebaseball.com/2013-mlb-draft-interview-with-rhp-tyler-danish/33438)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 07, 2013, 06:55:44 am
Tyler Danish?
Now THAT's a 2013-Sox-worthy name.
Also, another "toolsy" "raw" "athletic" guy in the first? No thanks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 07, 2013, 07:22:24 am
You forgot two sport...
Why do we keep wasting these first round picks on toolsy two sport guys... just dont get it.
guessing cubs board is in full melt down since they passed on Gray for Bryant.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2013, 10:34:05 am
A flute without holes, is not a flute.
A donut without a hole, is a Danish.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 07, 2013, 10:37:29 am
Not too thrilled with either of those picks, ugh.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 07, 2013, 10:54:08 am
A donut without a hole, is a Danish.
And Happy National Donut Day to you sir! Just had a a couple (well only couple halves) of Do-Rite donuts. They might be the best donuts I've ever had. One was with Valhrona chocolate, the other with Meyer lemons. If you're ever in the Loop folks. . .
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 07, 2013, 11:18:41 am
I'm not sure we even win the best name contest for the 2nd round:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 07, 2013, 11:24:01 am
Meh - both Gosuke and Katoh are pretty common names (especially Katoh, though it's often spelled "Kato" in English).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: JhonJeter0112358 on June 07, 2013, 11:26:32 am
I don't think anyone is going to dare to quote Inspector Clouseau on a banner in these PC times. "Katoh, my little yellow friend".
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 07, 2013, 12:40:30 pm
White Sox take OF Jacob May, Coastal Carolina, in Round 3:
Over the years, Coastal Carolina has produced some solid Draft talent, some going as high as the second round. Whether May, the son of former big leaguer Lee May Jr., goes that early remains to be seen. May is a speedy, switch-hitting leadoff type. He has plus speed to steal bases and to run down balls in center field. The rest of his game still needs to be developed. He has some bat speed, but has to do a better job of making consistent hard contact. With improved jumps and routes, he'll be an above-average defender, though he can outrun mistakes now. The top-of-the-order and center field skills, not to mention the Major League lineage, will surely have many teams interested.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2013, 01:09:22 pm
White Sox take OF Jacob May, Coastal Carolina, in Round 3:
Over the years, Coastal Carolina has produced some solid Draft talent, some going as high as the second round. Whether May, the son of former big leaguer Lee May Jr., goes that early remains to be seen. May is a speedy, switch-hitting leadoff type. He has plus speed to steal bases and to run down balls in center field. The rest of his game still needs to be developed. He has some bat speed, but has to do a better job of making consistent hard contact. With improved jumps and routes, he'll be an above-average defender, though he can outrun mistakes now. The top-of-the-order and center field skills, not to mention the Major League lineage, will surely have many teams interested.
Jacob is Carlos May's great-nephew.
video of Jacob May: http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?topic_id=40395496&content_id=26137339 (http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?topic_id=40395496&content_id=26137339)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2013, 01:24:08 pm
White Sox 4th round pick: Andrew Mitchell, RHP from TCU
6'03" 205lbs DOB: 11/09/91 | A big and strong right-hander who had a solid sophomore season in TCU's rotation, there's little question about Mitchell's arm strength. His power stuff enabled him to strike out 11.8 hitters per nine innings and to keep them to a .198 batting average against in 2012. His fastball will sit 88-92 mph and he has a downer type curve to go with it. Mitchell is very durable, but he's going to have to improve his command -- he also walked 5.38 per nine -- and show an ability to throw a third pitch to remain a starter and stay high on Draft boards. If he does end up in the pen, expect some upticks in velocity from the right-hander.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2013, 02:04:15 pm
White Sox 5th round pick: Thaddius Lowry, RHP from Spring HS (TX)
6'04" 215lbs DOB: 10/04/94 | Lowry was looked at primarily as a catcher before his fastball velocity spiked last year. He has touched 96 mph this spring, but more regularly throws around 90 mph. Listed at 6-foot-4, 210 pounds, Lowry has excellent size for a right-hander. That and his inexperience on the mound lead scouts to think he will be able to sustain higher velocity down the road as he gets more comfortable as a pitcher. Lowry also throws a slider and splitter, but both are still in their nascent stages. He aggressively attacks hitters and is viewed mostly as a thrower, but there are some signs he is beginning to get a better feel for pitching. Lowry is committed to Texas Tech.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2013, 02:11:57 pm
Hunnie's son was just drafted by Tampa Bay:
Johnny Field Arizona (AZ) 2B R/R JR 5'10" 195lbs DOB: 02/20/92 | Field has always been a fan favorite at Arizona because of his great performance and all-out style of play. He has played in both the outfield and second base in college, with the latter being his most likely long-term position. Field has soft hands and good range at second and could be an above-average defender there. At the plate, he has a very good feel for hitting and uses the whole field well. He has also shown decent power at Arizona and it could be average down the line. A team that believes in his college performance will give him a chance during the Draft.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 07, 2013, 02:20:29 pm
Awesome!
Congrats, Hunnie, wherever you are!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 07, 2013, 02:30:53 pm
Yes, congrats indeed. That is awesome.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 07, 2013, 02:46:50 pm
Hes only a junior right?
I'd guess he'd go back to Arizona for another year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2013, 02:51:44 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 07, 2013, 03:15:11 pm
I would think Field would sign. 6th round pick, doubt he would improve on that. Decent money, sign a contract that will pay for the remainder of your college. Their team had a tough year, he likely wants to move on.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2013, 03:30:57 pm
White Sox 7th round pick: Trey Michalczewski, 3B from Jenks HS (OK)
6'03" 210lbs DOB: 02/27/95 | Michalczewski plays shortstop at Jenks, but will almost certainly move to third base as a professional. He has a good approach at the plate and his bat speed allows him to let the ball get deep in the strike zone before starting to swing. Listed at 6-foot-3, 195 pounds, Michalczewski already has good size and projects to have good power. While he is probably destined to move to the hot corner, he is a solid defender with a strong arm and should easily make the transition. Michalczewski is committed to Oklahoma.
White Sox 8th round pick: Chris Freudenberg, LHP from South Mountain CC (AZ)
6'03" 195lbs DOB: 06/19/93 | Freudenberg began his college career at Central Arizona Junior College last year before transferring to Arizona Christian that spring. He then moved onto South Mountain this year. Despite all the upheaval, Freudenberg managed a breakout season this year. He throws in the upper-80s to low-90s with a clean, easy arm action. Freudenberg's velocity dipped late in the season, likely as a result of a heavy workload that included starting and relieving. Freudenberg also throws a curveball and cutter. He will need to add a changeup and fill out his 6-foot-3, 195-pound frame to remain a starter as a professional.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 08, 2013, 01:36:00 pm
We took a couple of HS catchers last year, I do not mind not taking one, seems like a lot of catchers are converted infielders too.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2013, 01:49:23 pm
19 rounds and counting. Still no catcher. While the teams with the MLB All-Star catchers don't pass on the position as the Braves, Giants & Twinkies have each drafted three and the Orioles have picked 4.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2013, 02:01:12 pm
Finally with their 20th round pick the CWS draft a catcher - Dillon Haupt. A 6'05" 225lbs Senior from the University of San Diego. He's the 55th catcher taken in the 2013 MLB Draft.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 08, 2013, 08:43:16 pm
We had to take the easy to sign toolsy two sport star, Division 2 SS... really wish we'd taken Denney in the first... or second for what we saved on the going with the easy to sign 1st rounder.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 08, 2013, 09:05:04 pm
He's the 55th catcher taken in the 2013 MLB Draft.
As Piazza once was
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2013, 09:22:58 am
I have a little more faith in Laumann and our drafting team, this SS sounds like a better prospect than any of those previous outfielders we have taken the previous years. Not a KW-like player. They call him 2-sport player, but he has not played since HS correct?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2013, 11:14:45 am
•ESPN's Keith Law broke down the first ten rounds of each of the American League clubs. You should check out the entire piece for all the details (Insider subscription required). •Law praised the White Sox for prioritizing upside in its first-round selection of shortstop Tim Anderson, though he was less high on the club's drafting of pitcher Tyler Danish (who Law says "has the worst arm action I've seen in this draft class") in the number 55 slot. Likewise, Law was underwhelmed by third-round center fielder Jacob May but felt that the Sox' fourth-round chioce, Andrew Mitchell, could be a steal if he can develop an effective third pitch.
Per MLBRUMORS
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 09, 2013, 03:20:11 pm
This hurts... heh...
The Orioles have acquired first baseman Seth Loman from the White Sox for cash considerations, MLB.com's Scott Merkin tweets. Loman was hitting .223/.324/.471 for Triple-A Charlotte.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2013, 04:07:55 pm
Thank goodness, eventually Black and/or Wilkins needs a shot at AAA as the 1st Baseman, they are likely fodder, but Loman was for sure.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2013, 06:42:55 pm
For all the bashing I have done of late, here is some tremendous news. Coutney Hawkins has been en fuego since coming off the DL, he hit another homer today.
Counting today, his 10th game, he is 12-35, with 5 HRs and 15 RBIs. Also 4 doubles and a triple, so 10 of his 12 hits are of the extra base variety. He has 13 Ks, but that is much better than his 60% K ratio before he got hurt.
12 homers and he has missed close to 30 games.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 11, 2013, 11:37:31 am
That is good news. Would be nice to have a first rounder not be a bust.
SoxTalk says that Tyler Danish has signed.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2013, 11:45:42 am
They have about 1/2 dozen signed on their post they use for that purpose. #10 and #11 supposedly, and #21 and #22. At least one other.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 12, 2013, 10:02:48 am
Looks like the signng of the great Tim Anderson is imminent...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 12, 2013, 01:05:10 pm
White Sox Sign First-Rounder Tim Anderson By Zach Links [June 12 at 12:32pm CST] The White Sox have signed first round pick Tim Anderson to a deal worth $2.164MM, according to Jim Callis of Baseball America (on Twitter). The shortstop out of East Central Community College in Dectaur, Mississippi is advised by Reynolds Sports Management.
Anderson ranked 25th among draft prospects according to MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo. Baseball America ranked him as the draft's No. 26 prospect, while ESPN's Keith Law ranked him 37th. His $2.164MM deal matches the exact slot recommendation for the No. 17 pick.
Mayo writes that Anderson's speed is his best asset, noting that he should be a base-stealing threat with occasional power to his pull side. All three evaluations feel he has a chance to stick at short, though BA notes that average arm strength could force him to move.
Anderson is the sixth first-rounder from this year's draft to sign with his team. Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune first reported that the two sides were nearing an agreement.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 12, 2013, 04:35:43 pm
Sox seem to be getting better at this, they lowballed their 9th and 10th picks on their signing, and used the 250K they saved on getting the one kid I did not give them a chance at. Trey Michalczewski is a HS SS who committed to Oklahoma, and is supposed to be quite a stud and likely going to move to 3B. Nice move Mr Hahn and Mr Laumann.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 13, 2013, 01:06:48 pm
•One of the fastest players in the draft didn't waste much time in putting his name on the dotted line. The White Sox inked third-round pick Jacob May to a $525K deal, tweets Callis.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 13, 2013, 01:47:11 pm
•One of the fastest players in the draft didn't waste much time in putting his name on the dotted line. The White Sox inked third-round pick Jacob May to a $525K deal, tweets Callis.
•One of the fastest players in the draft didn't waste much time in putting his name on the dotted line. The White Sox inked third-round pick Jacob May to a $525K deal, tweets Callis.
A lot of the geeks gave us crap for taking May. He was ranked #203 by Baseball America and we took him with 91st pick. But I like these kids who are from the lineage, his grandpa is Lee May from the old Red Machine, and his dad is Jr, who played over 10 years in the minors (not sure he ever played in bigs). Heard he was fast, but one of the fastest in the draft, wow, had not heard that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 13, 2013, 03:36:04 pm
•One of the fastest players in the draft didn't waste much time in putting his name on the dotted line. The White Sox inked third-round pick Jacob May to a $525K deal, tweets Callis.
A lot of the geeks gave us crap for taking May. He was ranked #203 by Baseball America and we took him with 91st pick. But I like these kids who are from the lineage, his grandpa is Lee May from the old Red Machine, and his dad is Jr, who played over 10 years in the minors (not sure he ever played in bigs). Heard he was fast, but one of the fastest in the draft, wow, had not heard that.
..and his great uncle Carlos was The Sporting News Rookie of the Year Award winner in 1969.
Last week the White Sox also drafted in the 36th round Mark Parent's son. Hopefully he successfully makes the move to catcher as we don't need another .208 hitting 1B/DH in the organization.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 14, 2013, 09:14:12 am
Sox have now signed all but 2 of their 1st 11 and of that 2 I am pretty sure Danish is signing soon. They got the steal of the 4th round, Andrew Mitchell signed for slot money. Supposed to be a stud on the mound. The 5th rounder is a HS kid from Texas, was a C, we are going to have him pitch, Thaddeus Lowry, and we signed him for a bit over his slot.
Sounds like we have a couple hundred thousand over the slot. Hope we spend them signing more of the kids we took later on and overspend on them. We have done that already with the 11th rounder. We need the 19th rounder (a CF from U of Louisville) and the 33rd rounder, a LP from Texas who is committed to Oklahoma. Octavio Rodriguez is his name.
This seems to me to be the best drafting we have done in quite some time. Mr Hahn had a plan.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 14, 2013, 10:02:09 am
•The White Sox have signed fifth-round pick Thaddius Lowry for a $400k bonus, Callis tweets. The right-handed Texas high-schooler has flashed upper-mid-90's heat. The Sox went $90.8k above slot to ink the converted catcher.
•Fourth-round righty Andrew Mitchell of TCU has signed with the White Sox, tweets Callis. According to Callis, Mitchell has one of the draft's most impressive curveballs and has touched 98 on the gun, making him a "steal in the 4th." Mitchell's $413k bonus is exactly slot.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 14, 2013, 06:46:30 pm
Another update on Hawkins. Since the post that I bragged on him a week or so ago, he has gone something like 1-24 with a ton of Ks, and last night was 0-5 with 5 Ks. Ouch, that is really **** poor.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 16, 2013, 06:01:23 pm
Someone asked if the "money to finish college" bonus money is counted towards bonus allotment. No is the answer, I stole this off of SoxTalk
QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jun 16, 2013 -> 01:27 PM) * Does the new CBA still allow a team to pay for college costs for high school signees? If so does that count against a teams bonus allotment?
Yes, and no it will not count against the pool value. I believe Michalczewki's contract has the future tuition stipulation as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 17, 2013, 10:24:40 am
It's week-old news, but:
•The White Sox reinstated left-hander Leyson Septimo from the 60-day disabled list and outrighted him to Triple-A Charlotte, according to Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune (on Twitter). The 27-year-old allowed eight runs in 14 1/3 innings for the South Siders last season and has a 5.17 career ERA in the minor leagues with 10.6 K/9 but a whopping 7.6 BB/9.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 17, 2013, 02:41:44 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 21, 2013, 04:53:35 pm
Tumminia bringing game to new lands White Sox scout seeking funds for more global youth camps
By Benjamin Hill / MLB.com - 06/21/2013 10:11 AM ET
It may be our National Pastime, but baseball has become a global sport. Last season, Major League Baseball featured players from five continents and 20 countries, but this global gathering still has plenty of room to expand. Just ask Chicago White Sox scout John Tumminia.
Tumminia, a resident of Newburgh, N.Y., has spent decades watching the game's top talent on amateur and professional ballfields located all over the United States. He currently scouts at both the Minor and Major League levels, having recently returned from a jaunt through the Class A Advanced Carolina League. But though he can converse at length about the premier prospects to be found at locales such as Winston-Salem or Myrtle Beach, these days his focus is on a country that has never produced a professional baseball player and isn't likely to any time soon: Kenya.
And that's the point. Motivated by a desire to give back to the game that has provided them their livelihoods, Tumminia and a loose cohort of fellow scouts, executives, coaches and former and current professional players are teaming up to teach baseball and donate equipment to youth in underserved areas who otherwise wouldn't get the opportunity. They've previously traveled to the Monte Plata province of the Dominican Republic and South Dakota's Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, and this October a seven-person contingent is planning to bring their operation to Kenya. The trip, organized in conjunction with the charitable Bread and Water Foundation, will bring equipment (largely donated by Major League organizations) and baseball and softball instruction to approximately 500 children.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 23, 2013, 02:18:28 pm
Erik Johnson promoted to AAA, first start today, throwing a shutout thru 5 innings. 3 hits, 4 walks, 6 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 24, 2013, 10:56:54 am
•The White Sox have released lefty Daniel Moskos from Triple-A Charlotte, according to the International League's transactions page. The 27-year-old posted a 4.97 ERA with 8.7 K/9 and 4.7 BB/9 in 29 relief appearances for the Knights. Those numbers are right in line with his career marks in 122 innings at Triple-A. Moskos, who was the No. 4 overall pick by the Pirates in the 2007 draft, has just 24 1/3 Major League innings under his belt -- all with the Buccos in 2011.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 24, 2013, 01:54:35 pm
1st rounder Tim Anderson, starting at Kanny and not one of the Rookie League teams, has been doing quite well, especially with the thought that they are pushing him pretty quickly. The other kid doing well is the 7th rounder steal we got in Trey Michalczewski. He is hitting well, fielding well at 3B and taking walks at a nice clip for a kid out of HS.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2013, 02:20:23 pm
cool, thanks for the update
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 24, 2013, 02:55:13 pm
I forgot to mention that Trey M is playing at Bristol. They are starting him out where they should (not that I have a problem with Anderson starting out at Kanny, I like that they have him and Micah Johnson playing together and batting in first two slots in lineup. Tons of speed.
One other player who has really come on of late at Birmingham is Trayce Thompson, has his average up in the .260s already after a poor start. 9 homers and 40+ RBIs in a not hitters park, that is impressive as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 02, 2013, 10:26:11 am
The White Sox signed outfielder Micker Zapata for $1.6MM, according to Ben Badler of Baseball America. Zapata is a 16-year-old right-handed hitter who was born in the U.S. Virgin Islands and trained in the Dominican Republic for the last few years. BA ranked him ninth, while MLB.com had him second.
Zapata "has the best raw power in Latin America," wrote Badler, as well as an above-average arm and bat speed. Badler noted that the White Sox were pushing hard to sign him. The Sox have a bonus pool of $2,168,300.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 02, 2013, 11:21:58 am
We sure have a glut of OFs. Mitchell, Thompson, Walker and Hawkins, though Mitchell looks like he is washing out and Walker will likely follow. Then we have Micah Johnson who is absolutely tearing up the South Atlantic League (he is an former IU player and a speedster to boot). He has 20+ errors already at 2B, going to likely have to move to OF. I see him as a future Tim Raines, he has pop, speed and seems to be the real deal. Then we have this years #1 draft pick, Tim Anderson, already with 10 errors at SS in about 20 games. Maybe he settles down, but the lack of a power arm might move him to CF. Last year we signed Hanleth Otano as our big sign from Latin America. Now this guy.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2013, 03:16:12 pm
The White Sox signed outfielder Micker Zapata for $1.6MM, according to Ben Badler of Baseball America. Zapata is a 16-year-old right-handed hitter who was born in the U.S. Virgin Islands and trained in the Dominican Republic for the last few years. BA ranked him ninth, while MLB.com had him second.
Zapata "has the best raw power in Latin America," wrote Badler, as well as an above-average arm and bat speed. Badler noted that the White Sox were pushing hard to sign him. The Sox have a bonus pool of $2,168,300.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 02, 2013, 05:12:44 pm
8 Birmingham Barons made the Southern League All-Star team, and Trace Thompson was not one of them, although he is having a great season thus far in my opinion.
Now that Engel has been inked, the Sox have signed all of their top 32 picks, and 36 of 40 overall.
I know they like to draft on signability, but can you remember the last time we got all of our top 30? Seems like every year 1 or 2 get away.
We have never done that, I know one year we got our top 20 or 22. Typically we only signed 1/2 of the 50 draftees, the draft is now 40 rounds. I would guess we have signed as many in other years when there were 50 rounds, but never the top 32.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 03, 2013, 11:26:53 am
Ya know, I had heard we signed Danny Hayes, out 13th rounder, after Oregon State finished up the season, but yet to see him on a roster.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on July 06, 2013, 08:03:14 am
Fan Graphs on Wilkins.
Andy Wilkins, White Sox (Triple-A)–Wilkins doesn’t have the eye-popping numbers of Muncy or Allie, but he has pretty solid ones of his own–he hit .286/.388/.477 in Double-A before a promotion last week–and the advantage of being the only upper-minors-tested player on this list. The 24-year-old was repeating Double-A in putting up the above statline (he hit .239/.335/.425 there last season), but he’s always had an intriguing package of 20+ homer power and good strike zone control (career 283/191 K/BB).
Wilkins gets excellent leverage out of a relatively short, simple swing, which is how he manages to hit for power without selling out for it. Here’s a long homer of his I witnessed in May:
Wilkins also provides a solid presence defensively around the bag, which doesn’t mean much in the world of fantasy baseball, except for the fact that it will give Robin Ventura one less excuse to keep Wilkins out of the lineup.
Paul Konerko has sputtered to a very poor season this year, and could be reaching the end of the line. If Wilkins can put together a hot month in Triple-A, don’t be surprised if he makes his Chicago debut later in the year. He likely will never be an elite player, but he could provide league-average production at the first base spot and work well as a stopgap or complementary/situational fantasy asset.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aFketJH2rI
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: whitesox dope on July 10, 2013, 02:09:39 pm
Sox out scouting Da Region.
White Sox scout Ryan Dorsey wasn't looking at anyone in particular, but noted the advantages of having this game so close to Chicago.
“Being the home team, you definitely want to cover your area better than anyone else,” he said. “You don't want to miss guys in your own backyard. This is my first time out, so I'm glad I got to make it over here and check these guys out.”
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 03, 2013, 05:00:18 pm
Yes, Jacobs has been impressive. I hear he is not so fast and not a good OF, so likely a LF only guy.
Avisail is going to prove me wrong, 3 hits last night including a homer. 4 RBI as well. I want him in RF however, they were talking about CF. Unless we are keeping Rios.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 05, 2013, 02:33:27 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 05, 2013, 08:31:48 pm
Charlotte Knights leading Lehigh Valley 8-3 after five full. So far, Avisail Garcia is 3 for 3, two singles, a triple, a bases loaded 3-2 walk, two runs scored and 3 RBI. Former White Sox fan favorites Mike MacDougal & Josh Fields are members of the Iron Pigs and were in the lineup tonight for Lehigh Valley.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 05, 2013, 09:11:07 pm
Back in college, I was in a band called The Iron Pigs... we did Black Sabbath covers...
We used to open for War Man @ Mabel's on Monday nights.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 05, 2013, 09:48:51 pm
Final in Charlotte: Knights 8 Iron Pigs 5.
Duante Heath picks up the save with 2⅓ scoreless innings of relief. Avisail Garcia ends up 3 for 4 with 2 singles, a triple, a base-loaded aalk, two runs score and three RBI. He popped out to 1st on his last plate appearance. Knights' RFer Travis Ishikawa was 2 for 5 with 3 RBI including a 2-run HR off of Mike MacDougal.
Latest suspended minor leaguer is White Sox bench coach Mark Parent’s son
Aaron Gleeman Aug 30, 2013, 11:51 AM EDT
Once a week or so MLB announces minor-league suspensions for performance-enhancing drugs and they usually do so as close to 5:00 p.m. as possible. I’m sure that’s just a coincidence and has nothing to do with trying to get the news out there after baseball media has checked out for the day.
Anyway, yesterday the five o’clock suspensions included a trio of minor leaguers and none of them warranted much attention at first glance. However, it turns out that former 36th-round pick Nick Parent, a rookie-ball catcher in the White Sox farm system, is the son of White Sox bench coach and former big leaguer Mark Parent.
Nick Parent received a 50-game suspension for the anabolic steroid Stanozolol, which you may remember from Rafael Palmeiro’s positive test in 2005. Parent is a non-prospect, hitting .113 in rookie-ball. His dad played in the majors from 1986-1998, including briefly being teammates with Palmeiro on the 1996 Orioles.
Mark Parent gives the standard excuses for his son's actions (e.g. trying to lose weight, didn't know what he took, etc.): http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08-30/sports/ct-spt-0831-bits-white-sox-red-sox-chicago-20130831_1_sox-mark-parent-catcher (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-08-30/sports/ct-spt-0831-bits-white-sox-red-sox-chicago-20130831_1_sox-mark-parent-catcher)
Mark Parent says son has to pay consequences: http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/22260549-574/mark-parent-on-son-he-has-to-suffer-consequences.html (http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/22260549-574/mark-parent-on-son-he-has-to-suffer-consequences.html)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 03, 2013, 05:37:02 pm
SS-2B Marcus Semien was the Southern League (AA) MVP despite spending the past couple months in AAA. This kid has a real good chance, he has pop in his bat for a middle infielder, maybe he takes over 3B next year?
2Bman Micah Johnson was on the post season All Star team for the Carolina League, and led all minor leaguers with 84 steals.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 03, 2013, 08:04:55 pm
SS-2B Marcus Semien was the Southern League (AA) MVP despite spending the past couple months in AAA. This kid has a real good chance, he has pop in his bat for a middle infielder, maybe he takes over 3B next year? 2Bman Micah Johnson was on the post season All Star team for the Carolina League, and led all minor leaguers with 84 steals.
Everyone said almost the same things about Carlos Sanchez last year. What happened to him?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 03, 2013, 08:22:24 pm
Sanchez has no pop in his bat, hitting about .240 in 1st full AAA season. I liked Semien better than Sanchez even prior to this season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 03, 2013, 08:41:33 pm
MSF Check your posts last Fall, one example is 581, you were highly on Sanchez's wagon. There were others (Jeremy Reed Deja Vu)
But I don't disagree with current assessment
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 06, 2013, 02:08:03 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 06, 2013, 02:09:25 pm
MSF: Is Chris Bassitt a prospect? Seems to have had good numbers this year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 06, 2013, 02:19:09 pm
Yes, Bassitt appears to have a good shot. He was from small town in Ohio and missed by many, he has filled out and supposedly throws hard, mid 90s. Needs better control but he should be in our top 10 or 15 prospects.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 06, 2013, 02:21:24 pm
Another young one will start for Birmingham, Chris Beck, in only his 2nd season has gone from High A ball up to AA and kept his ERA under 3. His K ratio has even improved after promotion. People thought he was being pushed up to far when they let him skip Kannapolis, but he earned his promotion after a good 2/3 season at Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 06, 2013, 02:26:49 pm
In that Barons win last night, Trayce Thompson had 2 hits, 2 runs, 2 RBI, a solo homer and a SB. He had a blistering 1st half, poor 2nd half. Was good to see him come through.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 06, 2013, 09:59:30 pm
Another young one will start for Birmingham, Chris Beck,
Yeah, i was shocked when I saw that Beck was in AA already. I haven't been paying much attention this year.
I seemed to recall that he was drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round last year, and only played rookie ball last year. In my search to confirm, I found this:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 06, 2013, 10:03:39 pm
B-ham up 7-0 in the 9th.
Beck labored with 91 pitches through 5.0 IP, but still gave up nil. Molina follows up with 3 tight IPs. Trayce with 3 more hits.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 07, 2013, 08:41:20 am
I was ready to have them release Molina, but as a reliever he has been much better than as a starter. Yep, Beck was a 2nd rounder, highly thought of prior to 2012 draft but then struggled that year in college and he dropped. At one time he was a top 10 guy (top 10 in entire draft). 2 more hits for Trayce Thompson along with 3 RBI. Nice time to get hot. Plus we are beating the Coo.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 08, 2013, 11:38:40 pm
B-ham pissed away their 2-0 series lead.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on September 09, 2013, 01:03:22 pm
•The White Sox outrighted reliever Jhan Marinez to Triple-A Charlotte, according to MLB.com's transaction page. Marinez posted a 6.11 ERA with 8.4 K/9 and 5.1 BB/9 for Charlotte in 2013. He had big-league cameos with the White Sox in 2012 and Marlins in 2010. The White Sox acquired him from Miami when they sent Ozzie Guillen to the Fish after the 2011 season.
It took five game but the Birmingham Barons finally won their Southern League (AA) semi-final series vs. the Tennessee Smokies (Coob affiliate). Nestor Molina picked up the win in relief in a 7-4 victory.
Birmingham will now face the Mobile BayBears in a best-of-five championship series starting Wednesday night.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 10, 2013, 10:59:59 am
Molina with another decent bullpen outing, I was almost ready to call him history a month or so ago.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 10, 2013, 05:41:06 pm
Nice that they pulled that game out, was nice beating the Cubs farm team out. I guess Trayce Thompson ran into the wall making a grab and was pulled from the game. Did not sound bad last I had read.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 11, 2013, 09:04:49 am
Great Falls won the 2nd half of their league, sweeping Helena the final 4-5 games of the season to set up playoffs between same two teams. Helena proceeds to sweep Great Falls 2 games to 0 to win the 3 game set and go on to the championship series vs other division.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 11, 2013, 04:17:26 pm
Southern League Championship sereis starts tonight. It's a best of five series.
Birmingham Barons @ Mobile BayBears tonight at 7:00PM (Eastern).
Free audio broadcast of the game will be available at:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 11, 2013, 08:26:13 pm
up 3-0 in the 4th, Bassitt with another very good start.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on September 11, 2013, 11:04:37 pm
Bassitt with another very good start
My guy! The Hound!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 11, 2013, 11:36:16 pm
(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/1/8/0/60329180/cuts/DSC05040_lojzj2g4_r3tm2tf4.JPG) Cody Puckett gave the Barons an early lead with a two-run homer against Archie Bradley in the Barons' Game 1 win over Mobile. (John Shadrick)
Barons Get Statement Win, Lead Finals 1-0 Chris Bassitt tosses 5.2 scoreless IP as Barons defeat Mobile 8-3 in game one of the Southern League Championship Series
By Nick Dobreff / Birmingham Barons - 09/11/2013 11:20 PM ET
The Birmingham Barons delivered a decisive statement Wednesday night, picking up an 8-3 win over the Mobile BayBears in game one of the Southern League Championship Series in front of 2,673 fans at Hank Aaron Stadium.
The Barons put the pressure on top Minor League Baseball prospect Archie Bradley early, getting a leadoff walk by Michah Johnson after a nine pitch at-bat. Cody Puckett followed, working the count into his favor at 2-0 before crushing a two-run homer to left field and giving the Barons a 2-0 lead.
The lead would grow to 3-0 in the fourth on a two-out double down the third base line by Brandon Jacobs. Dan Black, who singled to leadoff the inning, motored to third base and was waved home by manager Julio Vinas. The relay throw beat Black to the plate but his ensuing collision with catcher Rossmel Perez jarred the ball loose as home plate umpire Ryan Goodman called him safe at home.
Starter Chris Bassitt cruised through the first three innings, allowing just one hit and striking out two but ran into his first trouble in the fourth, allowing two hits and a walk to load the bases. He would recover his composure with a strikeout against Ryan Court to end the inning. He ran into similar trouble again in the sixth, allowing two more singles and a walk to load the bases with two outs for Dustin Martin. But again, Bassitt was able to bear down, striking out Martin swinging to end the threat.
The Barons chased Bradley from the game in the sixth, getting a leadoff single by Mike Earley and a ringing RBI triple by Tyler Saladino into the left-centerfield gap. After a walk to Brandon Jacobs, Mike Blanke brought home Saladino with a base hit to left. Blanke would be the last batter Bradley faced as he was removed in favor of Steve Garrison. Micah Johnson greeted Garrison with an RBI base hit to center, pushing the Barons lead to 6-0.
Bassitt retired the first two batters in the sixth but a base hit by Ryan Court and a pitch count near 100 forced Vinas to go to his bullpen. Bassitt allowed just six hits and struck out seven over 5.2 shutout frames.
Reliever Kevin Vance finished off the sixth inning and tossed two additional shutout innings before a pair of errors by Micah Johnson led to three unearned runs in the ninth. David Cales retired the final batter of the game to preserve the 8-3 win.
Puckett led the Barons offense on the night, going 3-for-6 with a run scored and two RBI while four other Barons recorded multi-hit games.
The Barons will look to take a commanding 2-0 series lead tomorrow night as RHP Chris Beck takes the hill against LHP David Holmberg. First pitch is scheduled for 7:05 PM CDT.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 12, 2013, 07:56:07 am
The Hound. Good one, I like that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 12, 2013, 09:55:02 pm
In game #2 of the championship series, Birmingham Barons lead 8-2 going into the top of the 9th at Mobile.
Game three is scheduled to be played tomorrow night @ 7PM (Eastern) in Birmingham.
Games 4 & 5 (if necessary) will also be played in Birmingham.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 12, 2013, 10:00:53 pm
Chris Beck with another nice start, out-dueling Holmberg, the LH we threw into the Edwin Jackson deal when we sent them Hudson. Holmberg was a 2nd round draft pick for us one year, a HS kid out of Fla
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 12, 2013, 10:08:46 pm
Game Two Boxscore: http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_09_12_biraax_mobaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb&sid=t247 (http://www.milb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?gid=2013_09_12_biraax_mobaax_1&t=g_box&did=milb&sid=t247)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 13, 2013, 08:39:29 am
Getting Ryan Kussmaul back for the bullpen late in the season has helped the Barons a lot, since Kevin Vance hit the wall the past month. Also, looks like Cody Winiarski is a legit bullpen candidate as well in the future. Look at Kussmaul's stats in his career for the Sox. Undrafted FA who does not throw hard but all he does is get folks out and he has a great BB/K ratio.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 13, 2013, 09:10:24 am
In the Tennessee series The Hound and Beck gave us a 2-0 lead, just like the current series. Now we need some decent outings from our other starters, who have been struggling so much the 2nd half of the year. Snodgress made All Star team, but has not done well since. Arroyo also has struggled. Good thing we have a dynamic pen.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 13, 2013, 11:01:28 pm
Forget about a sweep as there will be a game four in the Southern League championship series as the Mobile BayBears shutout the Birmingham Barons 6-0. The Barons lead in the best-of-five series two games to one.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 17, 2013, 12:59:48 am
Like the Tennessee series, the Barons drop games three and four but win game five to capture the 2013 Southern League Championship Series over the Mobile BayBears.
(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/0/4/0/60752040/cuts/DSC07605_tya449lo_0ltr5lzo.JPG) The Barons clinched the 2013 Southern League Championship with a 4-2 win over Mobile. (John Shadrick)
Barons Cap Magical Season With Championship Championship returns to Birmingham for first time since 2002 after 4-2 win over Mobile
By Nick Dobreff / Birmingham Barons - 09/16/2013 12:03 AM ET
A season to remember ended with a champagne celebration in Birmingham as the Barons captured their first Southern League Championship since 2002 with a 4-2 win over the Mobile BayBears in Game 5 of the Southern League Championship Series at Regions Field.
For the third game in a row the BayBears jumped out to an early lead scoring two runs on a Nick Evans single to center in the first inning against starter Myles Jaye (1-0, 5.14). Mobile would end up loading the bases in the inning but couldn't capitalize further as Garrett Weber grounded out to end the threat.
Micah Johnson's stellar postseason continued in the bottom half of the inning with a leadoff solo home run against Mobile starter Bradin Hagens (0-1, 9.00), cutting the lead to 2-1.
The Barons delivered what proved to be the decisive blow in the second, scoring three runs to take a 4-2 lead. Tyler Saladino walked and Mike Blanke singled to lead off the inning before advancing a base each after a sacrifice bunt by Keenyn Walker. A wild pitch by Hagens brought home Saladino and sent Blanke to third while tying the game at 2-2. With two outs, Johnson came through again with an infield single scoring Blanke. Johnson would advance to second on a throwing error by the second baseman Mike Freeman and scored on a base hit by Cody Puckett.
Jaye, who was making just his third start at the Double-A level, settled in after his rocky first to throw 4.0 shutout innings. He was removed in favor of reliever Ryan Kussmaul with a 4-2 lead prior to the sixth inning after allowing just two runs on five hits over 5.0 IP.
Kussmaul, who missed much of the season with a finger injury, came through with a dominant relief appearance striking out six batters over 2.2 IP to preserve the Barons' lead into the eighth inning.
Cody Winiarski came on and recorded the final four outs including a strikeout of Keon Broxton to end the game, setting off a frenzied celebration on the field and in the stands as the Barons celebrated the cities first championship in 11 seasons.
Micah Johnson was named the MVP of the Southern League Championship series after hitting .450 (9-for-20) with a home run, six runs scored and four RBI. In the postseason, he led the team with a .368 (14-for-38) average, 12 runs scored and seven steals while collecting seven RBI and seven walks.
Blanke and Puckett each finished with two hits apiece, capping stellar postseasons for both players. Blanke finished second to Johnson with a .324 (11-for-34) average while catching all 10 postseason games. Puckett hit .295 (13-for-44) and had a key two-run homer against Archie Bradley in Game 1 of the Finals.
The Barons won two decisive game fives in the postseason including a 7-4 win against the Tennessee Smokies in the Division Series. The Championship was the 14th in franchise history and the 7th since the formation of the Southern League in 1964.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 16, 2013, 09:40:42 am
The Rays will send minor league left-hander Sean Bierman to the White Sox as a part of this summer's Jesse Crain trade, according to Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (via Twitter). Another player will also go from Tampa Bay to Chicago in the trade and it is likely to be finalized tomorrow.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 19, 2013, 08:24:07 am
The White Sox are splitting the Glendale club in the Arizona Fall League with Twins and some other team or two. That team is in 1st place after about 10 games and playing pretty well. The Sox have quite a few hitters and pitchers on it.
Hitters: Micah Johnson is doing quite well thus far, speed and power in this dude. I think he is going to be a real good one. Marcus Semien is not off to a great start, but I like this kid. Brandon Jacobs (OF we got from BoSox for Thornton), couple homers already, but he Ks a bit. Jared Mitchell is not hitting, but he walks a lot. heh
Pitchers: Steve McCray is 2-0 in 2 starts and yet to give up a run. Had a real nice year in AA, struggled in AAA. Kevin Vance has been unscored upon in 4 relief appearances. This guy was really doing well in AA until the last month or so. He might be the closer for this AFL team. Charlie Leesman has not given up a run either in 3 relief appearances. Chris Bassitt has also not been scored upon in 3 relief appearances.
I like all 4 of the pitchers, I give them all a chance to contribute to big league club someday. I like Johnson and Semien a lot, but not the two outfielders.
Here is a link to their stats. http://mlb.mlb.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&sid=l119&cid=454
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 19, 2013, 11:18:32 am
Chris Bassitt has also not been scored upon in 3 relief appearances.
My guy! The Hound.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 22, 2013, 08:07:15 am
By Colleen Kane Tribune reporter - 1:07 p.m. CDT, October 22, 2013
Chicago White Sox prospect Stephen McCray was named the Arizona Fall League pitcher of the week.
McCray, a 26-year-old right-hander, is 2-0 with a 0.00 ERA and four strikeouts over 6 2/3 innings for the Glendale Desert Dogs in the AFL. He was perfect in a four-inning start last week against Salt River, retiring 12 straight batters on 38 pitches and recording two strikeouts.
McCray, a 16th-round pick in the 2010 draft, is 28-22 with a 3.52 ERA in the minor leagues. He split the 2013 season between Double-A Birmingham and Triple-A Charlotte, compiling a 10-11 record and 3.74 ERA in 24 starts and four relief appearances.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 29, 2013, 09:52:29 pm
Keith Law has been a thorn of the Sox for years as most of you know
So, I checked back to the 2010 draft and he characterized it as the Red Sox being the best and White Sox the worst.
You be the judge
Boston Red Sox: The Red Sox could shatter records for total signing bonuses in one draft if they sign all their picks, although they'll probably make some exploding offers and see who accepts first. They grabbed first-round talent Brandon Workman in the second round and potential first-round talent Garin Cecchini, who blew out his ACL and missed most of the spring, in the fourth. Third-rounder Sean Coyle has a great, simple swing and gets that "ballplayer" tag that short (5-foot-7) middle infielders always seem to get, although word before the draft was that he wanted nearly $2 million to forgo UNC. Kendrick Perkins is a big, athletic, very raw center fielder committed to Texas. Adam Duke was up to 95 mid-year with an above-average curveball but his velo tailed off at the end of the spring; he's committed to Oregon State. I could go on -- it's a class full of expensive, high-upside high school guys with a few safer college players mixed in.
Chicago White Sox: There's not much to like here. Second-rounder Jacob Petricka is the best player the Sox took, a tall right-hander up to 97 who has flashed an average curveball, while third-rounder Addison Reed is a command right-hander; both project as starters for now. Fifth-rounder Andy Wilkins is slow of foot and bat, while tenth-rounder Ross Wilson took several big steps backward this spring with the bat; two scouts I know called him "undraftable." Fourth-round pick Matt Grimes is committed to Georgia Tech; he's up to 92 with a pretty quick arm.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on October 30, 2013, 08:10:18 am
He also didn't think Chris Sale was all that great when he was drafted.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on October 30, 2013, 01:23:11 pm
Or was he not very high on him because it was the White Sox who drafed him? :o
There's a reason he now works in the media instead of for a MLB team. I doubt it's due to higher pay, so I'm guessing no MLB team wants to hire him. Probably because there are better choices to hire for analyzing talent.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 01, 2013, 11:27:10 pm
White Sox, Cubs minor leaguers each suspended 50 games
Tribune report - 11:40 a.m. CDT, November 1, 2013
Chicago White Sox minor league right-handed pitcher Nicholas Blount and Chicago Cubs minor league shortstop Elliot Soto were each suspended 50 games by Major League Baseball for violating the minor league drug prevention and treatment program.
The suspensions are effective at the beginning of next season.
Blount tested positive for an amphetamine. He is currently on the roster of the rookie-level Great Falls Voyagers of the Pioneer League.
Soto was banned after a second violation for a drug of abuse. He is currently on the roster of the Class-A Daytona Cubs of the Florida State League.
The 23-year-old Blount was a Sox ninth-round selection in this year's draft. He was 4-4 with a 3.18 ERA and two saves in 16 games, including nine starts, with Great Falls.
Soto was a 15th round pick in the 2010 draft out of Creighton. He batted combined .219 in 84 games at class A Daytona and Double A Tennessee in 2013.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on November 15, 2013, 11:26:30 am
The White Sox have signed corner infielder Alex Liddi to a minor league contract, Mario Salvini of La Gazzetta dello Sport reports (confirmed by FOX Sports' Jon Paul Morosi). The Italian-born Liddi was designated for assignment by the Orioles in September and he was outrighted off the team's 40-man roster. Liddi has a .636 OPS in 188 Major League PA with the Mariners since 2011 and he has posted a .272/.337/.459 slash line in 3734 career PA in the minors.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on November 15, 2013, 03:01:32 pm
Heh, didn't see it here. Posted the same dang thing in trade rumors topic.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on December 06, 2013, 03:56:52 pm
Making room on the roster...weeding the garden...
•The White Sox have outrighted outfielder Blake Tekotte and infielder Mike McDade, reducing their 40-man roster to 37, according to Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune (Twitter link). The 26-year-old Tekotte hit .226/.306/.355 with one homer (his first in the Majors) in 36 PAs for the Sox in 2013. He hit .236/.319/.389 in 338 Triple-A PAs. McDade, 24, batted .250/.313/.371 in 428 PAs between the Triple-A affiliates for the Indians and ChiSox in 2013.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on December 13, 2013, 08:59:00 am
If this Nieto kid can catch at all and show promise, keep him. Get rid of Dunn (even tho he is a LH hitter and has power, Dunn does not help this club that much at all) and keep this kid as a 3rd catcher for the future. We have squat in the minors for catchers. If he does not show promise then just send him back to Wash.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on December 19, 2013, 11:00:29 pm
Interesting study reported in a blog
A few years ago, a blogger named Scott McKinney conducted a study on the success rate of Baseball America's annual listing of the top 100 prospects. Using a similar methodology to McKinney's original work, Matt Perez of Camden Depot has updated the study with recent seasons.
Here's a link to Matt's results. A couple of excerpts:
These are similar results to the ones seen in Scott's study. Three out of every four pitching prospects fail and two out of every three hitting prospects fail. About 70% of all prospects fail. The difference between hitting and pitching prospects has decreased but is still reasonably large.
Not surprisingly, players ranked in the top 20 fare much better than those rated lower. The prospect hounds do a good job of identifying the top prospects. In fact, Baseball America has apparently done a better job in recent years at this. Matt grouped players into three levels of results: Bust, Success and Superior. Here are the rates of Superior results by year:
The biggest difference has been in the success rate of top-20 pitching prospects, possibly suggesting that teams are doing a better job of protecting the health of young pitchers, Baseball America has done a better job of identifying the best pitchers, or pitching prospects have simply gotten better (possibly with the help of steroid testing and the banning of amphetamines). As Matt writes:
It also seems to indicate that pitching prospects ranked from 1-20 have shown significant improvement. In 1990-1993 they succeeded only 15% of the time but from 1994-2002 they succeeded 40% of the time and in 2003-2006 they succeeded more than 70% of the time.
Anyway, check out the whole post for more data. If you love prospects, it's a good reality check.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 20, 2013, 12:13:36 am
A few years ago, a blogger named Scott McKinney conducted a study on the success rate of Baseball America's annual listing of the top 100 prospects. Using a similar methodology to McKinney's original work, Matt Perez of Camden Depot has updated the study with recent seasons.
Here's a link to Matt's results. A couple of excerpts:
These are similar results to the ones seen in Scott's study. Three out of every four pitching prospects fail and two out of every three hitting prospects fail. About 70% of all prospects fail. The difference between hitting and pitching prospects has decreased but is still reasonably large.
Not surprisingly, players ranked in the top 20 fare much better than those rated lower. The prospect hounds do a good job of identifying the top prospects. In fact, Baseball America has apparently done a better job in recent years at this. Matt grouped players into three levels of results: Bust, Success and Superior. Here are the rates of Superior results by year:
The biggest difference has been in the success rate of top-20 pitching prospects, possibly suggesting that teams are doing a better job of protecting the health of young pitchers, Baseball America has done a better job of identifying the best pitchers, or pitching prospects have simply gotten better (possibly with the help of steroid testing and the banning of amphetamines). As Matt writes:
It also seems to indicate that pitching prospects ranked from 1-20 have shown significant improvement. In 1990-1993 they succeeded only 15% of the time but from 1994-2002 they succeeded 40% of the time and in 2003-2006 they succeeded more than 70% of the time.
Anyway, check out the whole post for more data. If you love prospects, it's a good reality check.
Awful hard to check out the whole post for more data when you don't include a link to it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 20, 2013, 12:19:47 am
BTW, here's the link to the blog you C&P: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/43074/a-study-on-success-rate-of-prospects (http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/43074/a-study-on-success-rate-of-prospects)
...and here's the link to the data: http://camdendepot.blogspot.com/2013/12/death-to-tinstaapp-updating-mckinneys.html (http://camdendepot.blogspot.com/2013/12/death-to-tinstaapp-updating-mckinneys.html)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 22, 2013, 02:30:16 pm
White Sox get personal with Draftee interviews Chicago chatting with six players who might be chosen with team's No. 3 pick
By Scott Merkin / MLB.com | 12/20/2013 2:55 P.M. ET
CHICAGO -- The White Sox are getting to know their potential top picks in the 2014 First-Year Player Draft beyond scouting reports, the on-field eye test and game video.
With the third selection overall in hand, the White Sox have done personal interviews with left-handed pitcher Carlos Rodon, right-handed pitcher Jeff Hoffman and shortstop Trea Turner. A meeting with right-handed pitcher Tyler Kolek has been scheduled for January, a meeting with shortstop Jacob Gatewood is set for February and a meeting with right-handed pitcher Tyler Beede will take place at a date yet to be determined.
All six of these players have been projected no lower than the Top 6 or 7 by MLB.com's Jim Callis and Jonathan Mayo during their first Mock Draft. It's a process the White Sox never delved into as extensively before when they drafted lower in the first round.
"So far it has been great," said White Sox director of amateur scouting Doug Laumann, who has been part of the meetings with White Sox assistant scouting director Nick Hostetler. "I haven't done it much in the past, at least at this time of the year, because when you are picking low, the pool is too big to narrow down. But so far it has been a good deal. Everybody seems receptive. They know what's at stake for them. They put their best foot forward as well."
"As far as picking that high and being able to limit to a few, for us it was vital to try to get to know them. Try to get a little bit of history on the personal side, rather than on the field side," Hostetler said. "I don't know if it so much gives an indication in a 30-minute to an hour meeting of exactly who they are as a person. But it gives us some familiarity with them and them with us."
These informal interviews take place at a location of the player's choice, whether it's in the coach's office for Rodon or at the respective stadium's pressbox for Hoffman and Turner. Laumann understands that coaches and family advisors will set up some sort of parameters or restrictions as an individual player's work toward the season transfers into high gear.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on February 11, 2014, 09:00:41 pm
Keith Law just came out on ESPN Insider with his top 20 prospects who will make an impact in 2014. Eric Johnson is number 4, Matt Davidson number 10, and Marcus Semien number 13, Says Marcus is better than Beckham now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on February 11, 2014, 09:03:06 pm
They should just go ahead and deal him and put Semien in the starting lineup
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on February 12, 2014, 07:59:27 am
Keith Law is praising the White Sox' system? Wow, that's a change!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on February 12, 2014, 08:50:52 am
Keith Law is praising the White Sox' system? Wow, that's a change!
I almost fell over when I read that he was praising our prospects.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on February 12, 2014, 10:52:35 am
agreed! not sure if that is a good or bad thing
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on February 12, 2014, 12:46:34 pm
not sure if that is a good or bad thing
Heh, I almost said the same thing in my post.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on February 12, 2014, 09:19:47 pm
I just read the Law article again and noticed at the end he said if he considered foreign players as rookie prospects, he would place Tanaka as number 1 and Abreu as number 2. So we really have 4 of the top 15 now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on February 25, 2014, 02:10:01 pm
In addition to my guy "The Hound" (Bassitt), here's another young arm that bears watching this year (two Chrises, wow):
By Jesse Sanchez / MLB.com | 3/19/2014 2:19 P.M. ET
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- The White Sox reassigned six players, including catcher Josh Phegley, on Wednesday, cutting their Major League camp to 38 players.
Phegley, right-hander Andre Rienzo and lefty Eric Surkamp were optioned to Triple-A Charlotte, while infielder Andy Wilkins and right-handers Chris Beck and Cody Winiarski were reassigned to Minor League camp.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 20, 2014, 10:09:33 am
Farm system is already -13 games. Cripes, not a lot of help down there at this time. Wish our pitching staff would solidify soon. Kinda worried it won't.
Micah Johnson is tearing up, Trayce Thompson and Courtney Hawkins are both playing well. Not much else to discuss.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 26, 2014, 03:54:02 pm
MSF,
Scott Carroll hasn't pitched since 4/19. Is he hurt, or is he getting called up to pitch with the big boys tomorrow?
Also, Hanson had a nice start last night. 5.0 IP, 0 hits, 6 Ks, 2 BBs.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 26, 2014, 08:31:35 pm
Scott Carroll is indeed getting the call up to start tomorrow's game. He'll be making his major league debut. Someone is going down after tonight's game, expect it'll be either Putnam or Petricka.
Also since Carroll's not on the 40-man roster, someone will have to be dropped from there too. Will it be Nestor Molina or Eric Surkamp?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 26, 2014, 09:40:42 pm
Prospect Perspective: Pitcher Scott Carroll on the Tommy John Process
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 27, 2014, 01:18:59 pm
No word yet on who is dropped from the 40-man roster to make room for Scott Carroll.
I would assume they'd put Avi Garcia on the 60-man DL at some point; that would create a roster slot.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 27, 2014, 01:19:44 pm
One minute too late....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 27, 2014, 02:25:03 pm
Never understood why a guy like Garcia was not put on the 60-day list in the first place.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 27, 2014, 08:16:37 pm
MSF, where is my guy Chris Bassitt? Doesn't seem like he has pitched yet this year. Still in Extended Spring Training? I don't recall his getting hurt.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 28, 2014, 08:01:41 am
On the DL, do not think it is anything serious however.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 28, 2014, 12:44:48 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 28, 2014, 02:31:19 pm
Blackie, some dude on SoxTalk said Bassitt will be back maybe as soon as this next weekend.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 28, 2014, 07:00:29 pm
Cool, thanks
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 29, 2014, 11:33:07 am
little write-up on AA 1bman Rangel Ravelo (Great name)
Rangel Ravelo, 1B, Chicago White Sox (Profile) Level: Double-A Age: 22 Top-15: N/A Top-100: N/A Line: 81 PA, .371/.506/.629, 2 HR, 15 BB, 11 K
Summary Nobody’s hotter at the plate. Formerly an interesting sleeper, Ravelo is now undoubtedly a prospect.
Notes I spotlighted Rangel Ravelo in the offseason in this writeup as a player to keep an eye on despite the fact that he was a first baseman who boasted only seven homers in four professional seasons. I had a few reasons (read the article for more depth on them) for this belief. First, I’d seen him display plus power (see here and here). Second, his natural strength and max-effort swing seemed conducive to more power than his numbers showed. Third, despite the aforementioned swing, Ravelo’s natural hand-eye coordination had consistently allowed him to barrel the ball, strike out at low-teens rates, and hit for a high average (.312 in High-A last year). Finally, I felt the former third baseman had enough athleticism to give it a go at his previous position, thus easing his offensive requirements.
The White Sox organization doesn’t seem to agree with me on that last count, playing Ravelo exclusively at first base for the second straight year, but he certainly seems to be coming through in proving my other assertions correct. He’s off to a blistering .371/.506/.629 start, numbers that speak for themselves. Most notably, after jumping from typically-poor walk rates to an excellent 12.3% last year, he’s up to 18.5% so far in Double-A, while maintaining his typically strong 13.6% K-rate. Clearly, he’s maintaining his gains in batting eye against advanced pitching–even with the small-sample caveats, his days of 4-6% walk rates seem unlikely to return.
Over his last ten contests, Ravelo’s hitting an unthinkably-hot .536/.690/1.000 with two homers, seven doubles, three strikeouts, and eleven walks. That’s utter dominance, and it may signify that he’ll be moved up to Triple-A at (or even before) midseason, putting him in striking range of the big league club at age 22. It remains to be seen what the White Sox want to do with him positionally, with Jose Abreu entrenched at first and Matt Davidson and Marcus Semien as young third base options, but Ravelo’s bat may be major-league relevant sooner than even I would have expected. Ravelo won’t maintain these numbers, but his overall success is less a fluke than it is the reflection of a very talented hitter who’s maturing quickly. It’s time to get him squarely on the radar.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 29, 2014, 04:34:05 pm
SoxRule, did you see Carlos Rodon has slipped from his #1 ranking for the draft. Some HS kid in Calif is now 1, and a HS from Texas is in our slot, #3. Rodon still #2, but his FB has slipped noticeably this year. He has been getting hit.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 29, 2014, 05:57:13 pm
Rondon did really poorly to start the year... but his last couple starts have been really good.
Last one was CG 6 hit 1 er 2bb and 15Ks.
I hope sox dont pass on him because bora$$ is his agent... i think if we can get him at #3 after a half bad year it'd be fantastic.
I hope we stay away from Kotek... Aiken would be fantastic but i doubt he falls.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on April 30, 2014, 07:53:21 am
I did see that about Rodon, MSF. Like Method said, though, I hope the Sox select him if he's available. Still, there seems to be some nice arms in this draft that hopefully we end up with a good one either way.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 30, 2014, 11:13:10 am
Yeah, if he is throwing better now I would prefer a college pitcher over a HS pitcher.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 30, 2014, 11:15:05 am
With Appel doing so poorly this year i hope Astros go for the high cieling HS pitcher in Aiken. Marlins wont take a Bora$$ client either i dont think... they like HS pitchers... so chance Ronson could fall to 3!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on April 30, 2014, 11:26:45 am
If I remember correctly when Kenny was GM, there were a few times the Sox did deal with Boras and in those instances it was Hahn that worked on those specific deals. So it's very possible they select a Boras client if they feel he's clearly the best bet!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 30, 2014, 01:30:46 pm
Lets hope Rule is correct. KW is still around, and I know he and Boras did not like one another. Seems like Boras also had a problem with Reinsdorf if I recall.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 30, 2014, 03:49:59 pm
I can see the Sox offering Borass similar deal as we gave Chris sale... we'll call you up this year and start your service time clock ASAP if you dont hold out and act like a child... he might go for it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 30, 2014, 05:03:06 pm
Good point Metodo.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 30, 2014, 05:17:34 pm
I can see the Sox offering Borass similar deal as we gave Chris sale... we'll call you up this year and start your service time clock ASAP if you dont hold out and act like a child... he might go for it.
The potential problem with drafting Rodon isn't Scott Boras. It's the abuse of Rodon's arm by his college coaching staff. While starters only pitch once a week in college, Rodon's last four appearances had him throwing 132, 115, 134 and 114 pitches. How soon will his arm fall off after the draft?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on April 30, 2014, 07:15:36 pm
I wonder how his mechanics are....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 30, 2014, 07:25:21 pm
Rodon had back problems but those were in high school.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 07, 2014, 10:55:42 am
Erik Johnson pitching today for Charlotte. Went 6 shutout his previous start. Thus far today, 3 innings, 3 Hits, 1 ER, 1 BB, 3 Ks. If Noesi and Carroll keep doing ok I would not rush Johnson back. We can release the guy who started the year in our rotation, already forgot his name. The one who is not ready off his last season surgery.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 07, 2014, 08:02:55 pm
Saw the knights last night in Charlotte. Nice ballpark! Tommy Hanson threw 6 shutout innings, but was lucky and hit hard. Never could top 87. Sanchez was impressive, no one else was, other than Phegley throwing out two would be stealers. Odd that Jarod Mitchel was the first base coach.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 07, 2014, 09:37:13 pm
Sorry to hear about Hanson, he had better report on SoxTalk, but I trust ya. Was hoping maybe eventually he may be ready for the bigs again. Charlotte does not have much of a team, but neither does Birmingham or Winston-Salem. Kanny is only team doing ok. Org has lost 20 more than it has won thus far.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 07, 2014, 10:16:37 pm
msf, who are you hoping we get in the draft?
I hoping it's Aiken
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 07, 2014, 11:32:50 pm
And Charlotte contributed a dozen of those 20
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 08, 2014, 07:34:18 am
Juan, not sure. HS pitchers worry me, the percentages of those that make it is not that good. A college pitcher may be best but Rodon and all his pitches worry me as well. So I am really not sure at all.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on May 08, 2014, 12:26:59 pm
As questionable as the top pitchers are, I'd go with Alex Jackson. Would be nice to develop a fixture at C.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 08, 2014, 01:15:57 pm
HC catcher? at 3?
take the high cieling p instead...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 08, 2014, 01:32:06 pm
Never take a HS catcher early, never. A Buster Posey from college is one thing. Sox would get crucified if they took a catcher. We will go with a pitcher, no doubt about it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 08, 2014, 04:15:31 pm
With Jeff Hoffman's most recent setback and White Sox general manager Rick Hahn's stated desire to draft a college pitcher, what does Chicago do with its No. 3 overall pick? I can't imagine the White Sox passing on whomever of California high school left-hander Brady Aiken, North Carolina State lefty Carlos Rodon or Texas prep righty Tyler Kolek falls into their lap. -- Nick D., Chicago
With Hoffman out of the running, there are three clear candidates to go at the top of the Draft: Aiken, Rodon and Kolek. The White Sox might prefer a college arm, but I haven't seen where Hahn has said anything that makes it seem like he's set on one. I agree with Nick that they'll just take whichever of the big three remains on the board.
If Rodon goes to the Astros at No. 1 or the Marlins at No. 2 -- and I think he probably will -- that would leave righties Aaron Nola (Louisiana State) and Tyler Beede (Vanderbilt) and lefties Kyle Freeland (Evansville), Brandon Finnegan (Texas Christian) and Sean Newcomb (Hartford) as the top college arms available. And while all of those guys are talented, and Nola likely will be the first starting pitcher from this Draft to reach the Major Leagues, I also can't imagine the White Sox ignoring the higher upsides of Aiken and/or Kolek.
Chicago has a history of drafting high-ceiling players in the early rounds and hasn't had much success taking college pitchers in the first round in the past decade. The White Sox scored big when Chris Sale unexpectedly dropped to them at No. 13 in 2010, but they missed badly on Lance Broadway ('05), Kyle McCullough ('06) and Aaron Poreda ('07).
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Post by: msf on May 12, 2014, 09:21:52 am
My guess for our #1 draft pick. RP Aaron Nola from LSU.
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Post by: Method on May 12, 2014, 10:50:07 am
booooooooooooooooooo
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Post by: ISF on May 13, 2014, 03:27:21 pm
Huascar Ynoa, the younger brother of A’s righty Michael Ynoa, could land also land a seven-figure bonus and has been scouted by White Sox vice president Kenny Williams and GM Rick Hahn. The Red Sox have also been tied to Ynoa, and some sources of have told Badler that they expect the Twins to be involved as well. One scout told Badler that Ynoa has the tools to be a frontline starter but lacks consistency. Badler points out that his older brother’s $4.25MM signing bonus from Oakland reduces some of the urgency for Ynoa to sign immediately on July 2
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Post by: aka Loveland on May 15, 2014, 02:18:31 pm
I have no clue why Yona's older brother signing for 4.whatever million world reduce the urgency for him to sign. Are their parents making them share the money?
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 15, 2014, 07:17:02 pm
The Charlotte Knights game is a rainout so Chris Sale's rehab start will be tomorrow. Sale will pitch game one of a doubleheader. In the minors, doubleheaders are two 7-inning games.
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Post by: msf on May 16, 2014, 09:51:55 am
Keith Law's latest mock draft. We may get lucky on one of the two HS pitchers, as both Astros and Marlins may go for less spendy pick so they can use money on other rounds too. I took the top 5 that he listed, since Coo are 4th and Twinkies 5th
1 Brady Aiken SCHOOL: Cathedral Catholic HS, San Diego, Calif.HT: 6-4WT: 200POS: LHP Analysis: I keep hearing the Astros are down to three names: Aiken, Carlos Rodon, and Alex Jackson, with local product Tyler Kolek likely on the outside of that final set. The decision may come down to money -- they'd like to repeat their successful 2012 strategy, where they save $2 million or so on the top pick and reallocate the money to later picks (they have No. 37 and No. 42 this year) to acquire more first-round talents who slid into the sandwich/second because of their bonus demands.
2 Alex Jackson SCHOOL: Rancho Bernardo HS, San Diego, Calif.HT: 6-2WT: 210POS: C Analysis: The Marlins are on the same three names as Houston, plus Tyler Kolek, but the word around town is that Miami is focusing heavily on bats throughout the draft. The Fish have the most money in their draft pool of any team this year, with extra picks at 36 and 39 as well as their regular pick at 43, and could do just what Houston wants to do, cleaning up with as many as four first-round talents if they play their money right.
I've also heard them with Bradley Zimmer, but I think he's a tweener for them -- probably not as good as their best options at No. 2, and clearly long gone before they pick again.
3 Tyler Kolek SCHOOL: Shepherd (Texas) HSHT: 6-5WT: 250POS: RHP Analysis: The White Sox want one of the big three arms, so even though early favorite Jeff Hoffman is on the shelf after Tommy John surgery, they'll still get someone they really like. The bet here is that they'd do better financially with Kolek than with Carlos Rodon, but I wouldn't rule out the latter. Everything I'm projecting here is about probabilities, or possibilities, not certainties.
4Carlos Rodon SCHOOL: N.C. StateHT: 6-4WT: 235POS: LHP Analysis: This is close to a dream scenario for the Cubs, who'd love Rodon or Brady Aiken, would like Tyler Kolek, and will otherwise have to choose from the next tier; Jeff Hoffman's injury hurt them more than it hurt any other club, and that was just driven home further when Erick Fedde blew out his arm. (The Tommy John epidemic has crept into college baseball, too. Potential 2016 first-rounder Matt Krook saw his elbow spontaneously combust this spring.)
If all three of the top arms go before the Cubs pick, their mix will include Alex Jackson, Michael Conforto, Aaron Nola, and at least a half-dozen other possibilities, with even a rumor about Max Pentecost on a huge under-slot deal.
5Nick Gordon SCHOOL: Olympia HS, Orlando, Fla.HT: 6-1WT: 170POS: SS Analysis: The Twins have been heavy on Gordon, Alex Jackson and Aaron Nola this spring, with Gordon considered the most likely choice. He would add some needed middle-infield strength to a system that's long been stronger in the outfield. There's also a rumor they'd like Jacob Gatewood on a discount, but it's not out of the question they could try to grab him on an over-slot deal at No. 46.
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Post by: Method on May 16, 2014, 12:41:03 pm
I really dont think sox will pass on rondon... thats a cater to cub readership mock draft where they get the top arm in the draft at 4.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 16, 2014, 01:50:54 pm
I really dont think sox will pass on rondon... thats a cater to cub readership mock draft where they get the top arm in the draft at 4.
I agree that the White Sox won't pass on Carlos Rodon in he's available with the third pick and it's hard to believe that the Marlins would pass on Rodon if he's there at #2.
While Rodon now lives in N.C. and he's a Boras client, Carlos Rodon is a Cuban-American who was born in Miami. Drafting Rodon would give them two Cuban starting pitchers (the other is the injured José Fernández) to help increase their attendance. The Marlins need some more Cuban-American star players to market their team in south Florida.
P.S. method it's Rodon not Rondon.
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Post by: Method on May 16, 2014, 02:44:45 pm
I keep messing that up! i will remember from now on.
Marlin's have worked hard on getting cuban players it seems... so i think you are correct they would take him if he was there before us... my dream scenario is where Astros take home town boy Kolek, Marlins take BPA in Rodon and we get Aiken!
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Post by: ISF on May 16, 2014, 02:46:24 pm
Spelling police...
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 16, 2014, 02:52:33 pm
not the spelling police but just a friendly reminder to method who's been playfully mocked on the BBF for referring to Carlos Rodon as Rondon.
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Post by: msf on May 16, 2014, 02:53:19 pm
I agree with the entire Rodon to Miami connection. How could they pass that up? Guess only if they are too cheap.
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Post by: Method on May 16, 2014, 10:08:43 pm
Andy is 100% right... i have a bad track record of getting certain spellings in my head and not letting them go... Rodon / Rondon is one for sure.
Do wish he falls to 3 somehow... i think coop could work some magic with his inconsistencies in delivery and the stuff is pretty hard to ignore... I'd be very happy with Aiken or maybe even Freeland...
Not so sold on Kolek... i think he might be my least favorite of the big arms that are available...
Almost hope Freeland falls to the 2nd and we get him there.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 17, 2014, 02:29:43 pm
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Post by: Method on May 20, 2014, 04:24:40 pm
why arnt they insisting we'd skip him so he goes to the cubs... makes no sense...
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Post by: msf on May 26, 2014, 10:03:24 am
Never seen our org with such a dismal record. All 4 minor league teams are at least 6 or 7 under .500 and as a whole they are -44. That is worse than I have seen it in the past 5 years for sure. Ugh.
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Post by: msf on May 27, 2014, 03:32:45 pm
ISF, you might have been correct that the HS kid Jackson will go in top 5. Sounds like most will move him from catcher, ala Nats with Harper, so he can play quicker. His bat sounds like best bat in the draft. I forget that catchers nowadays are more athletic than the typical 1960s-1990s catchers, thus able to move to the outfield.
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Post by: SoxRule on May 27, 2014, 04:13:06 pm
Never seen our org with such a dismal record. All 4 minor league teams are at least 6 or 7 under .500 and as a whole they are -44. That is worse than I have seen it in the past 5 years for sure. Ugh.
Would you trade Sale for the Cubs' top 3 prospects: Baez, Bryant and Almora? Would the Cubs even make that trade?
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Post by: Method on May 27, 2014, 04:16:55 pm
Cubs would hang up after you started with Bae
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Post by: msf on May 27, 2014, 04:37:41 pm
I would not do it. Baez is not doing so well this year. Bryant looks like a stud. Almora, meh.
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Post by: Method on May 27, 2014, 05:55:50 pm
Saw on fangraphs chat that Baez is heating up... 1.3xx ops last 10 games... he's still young for AAA gotta give him some time to adjust...
exciting potential esp as a MI.
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Post by: Method on May 27, 2014, 07:01:32 pm
I am sure i have mentioned this before.. but i love the Wsox emphasis on the change up for their prospects...
this is from fangraphs... link has some great vids as well.
J.B. Wendelken, RHP, Chicago White Sox (Profile) Level: High-A Age: 21 Top-15: N/A Top-100: N/A Line: 59.1 IP, 64 H, 30 R, 50/9 K/BB, 3.94 ERA, 3.51 FIP Summary This converted reliever has shown some positives and negatives in his first year as a professional starter.
Notes J.B. Wendelken was acquired by the White Sox from the Red Sox as part of the Jake Peavy deal. I’ve already written about the other two prospects that went from Boston to Chicago in that move–flamethrower Francellis Montas and shortstop extroardinaire Cleuluis Rondon–this year, and Wendelken…well, doesn’t quite carry the excitement of Montas’ mid-90s gas and above-average slider or Rondon’s acrobatic defense, but he does show enough to reveal why White Sox brass would have wanted him in the first place.
A nondescript thirteenth-round pick out of junior college in 2012, Wendelken worked as a reliever in his first two professional seasons, dominating the New York-Penn League in 2012 and turning in a solid 2013 mostly at the Low-A level. The White Sox liked him enough to move him to starting this year with High-A Winston-Salem, and as his numbers show, he’s taken to it reasonably well, cutting his walk rate to 3.6% while maintaining a 20% strikeout rate. At 21 and in High-A, he’s certainly not too old to be a prospect, too.
As the title of this article implies, Wendelken’s big weapon right now is a monstrous changeup that features zone-crossing fade. And when I say zone-crossing, I mean zone-crossing:
More to the article below... i didnt want to exceed the limit on posting words from an article!
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Post by: SoxRule on May 28, 2014, 07:59:39 am
Cubs would hang up after you started with Bae
Lol, that's what I was wondering. But what's crazier -- the Sox trading Sale for prospects or the Cubs refusing to trade Baez for Sale? Baez may be a future stud but he also might end up being just a good player. Sale is a stud and pitching is the name of the game....as well as something the Cubs have very little of.
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Post by: Method on May 28, 2014, 09:32:18 am
They just arnt in a possition to want to pay for a stud pitcher... shoot they wont resign shark... and are looking to trade him away... why would they go get a stud starter if they dont want to keep the one they already have...
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Post by: SoxRule on May 28, 2014, 10:32:22 am
shoot they wont resign shark... and are looking to trade him away
I agree and think it's a dumb move. But he's 30 yrs old and may start declining by the time the Cubs are supposedly going to be winning again. Whereas Sale is still young and getting better. But I still think they should be keeping their good pitchers instead of trading them for unknowns.
I understand wanting to get younger and more cost-controlled but they're taking it to an extreme, especially since they believe they'll have tons of money pouring in once the renovations are done and have the hotel bringing in revenue. The 5 yr plan is going to turn into a 10 yr plan and they'll still have to rely on luck for all this work out.
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Post by: Method on May 28, 2014, 10:44:50 am
They are going the Tampa Rays route... be really bad for 5 years and stack up a ton of prospects before you go for it... its working slowly for the Astros as well...
just a really miserable way to rebuild.
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Post by: msf on May 28, 2014, 01:57:11 pm
Is that pitcher the Astros took #1 last year doing well?
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Post by: Method on May 28, 2014, 04:41:21 pm
Appel?
no.. he had a massive drop in velocity this year... down to 88mph... right now hes back in extended spring training after being shut down for a couple weeks.
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Post by: Method on May 28, 2014, 04:45:46 pm
looks like he is almost done with extended spring training.. and FB velocity is back.
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Post by: msf on May 28, 2014, 05:00:14 pm
That is the guy, thanks.
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Post by: SoxRule on June 02, 2014, 01:15:27 pm
Appel had a disastrous outing:
The good news for the Astros is right-hander Mark Appel, the No. 1 overall pick in last year's First-Year Player Draft, was throwing with good velocity, averaging 95 mph, in his return to the rotation Saturday at Class A Advanced Lancaster.
But giving up 10 runs on hit 10 hits, including three homers, in only 1 1/3 innings of work was certainly not what the Astros anticipated seeing from the 22-year-old. Appel walked a batter and struck out two as the JetHawks lost, 16-13, to Rancho Cucamonga.
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Post by: msf on June 02, 2014, 03:55:57 pm
Yuck. Someone mentioned it is too bad the Astros did not take Bryant and leave Appel for the Coo. That would have been nice. Oh well, not to dwell on it.
BTW, Erik Johnson walked 8 guys in his 5 inning start yesterday. Got the win. Still throwing about 3-5 MPH slower than last year and now he appears to have lost the strike zone. I would say knucklehead, but he did go to Cal, he has to be somewhat on the ball.
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Post by: Method on June 02, 2014, 06:21:30 pm
Appel was asked to only throw fastballs.. and nothing else last night... so that might explain why he did so poorly.
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Post by: Method on June 02, 2014, 07:07:09 pm
on a different note... how mad would we be if we had a guy hitting that well at AA, in a pitchers league (bryant) and he wasnt even being considered to be moved up.... he is looking to be a monster.
Goldschmidt at 3b... or RF and up in majors now...
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Post by: Method on June 02, 2014, 07:35:55 pm
Lot of rumors that the Marlins are going to take Jackson... that means one of Rodon or Aiken falls to 3rd... i really really hope we dont pass on rodon for sign-ability issues...
If the scouting staff doesnt think he can do it.. i will more then defer to their judgement...
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Post by: BlackSox on June 02, 2014, 10:35:58 pm
I am actually looking forward to the draft, to see what happens. It's kind of fun having he third pick (aside from the being sh*tty the year before part).
What's with the "signability" issues with the NC State guy? He's a college guy, and can't do much better than the third pick. Where's the leverage?
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Post by: SoxRule on June 03, 2014, 08:16:30 am
It's kind of fun having he third pick (aside from the being sh*tty the year before part).
My thoughts exactly!
how mad would we be if we had a guy hitting that well at AA, in a pitchers league (bryant) and he wasnt even being considered to be moved up.... he is looking to be a monster.
He is certainly looking like their best prospect now....better than Baez. If he keeps hitting this way they'll have to promote him to AAA at some point this year. Maybe get a taste of the bigs in September.
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Post by: msf on June 03, 2014, 08:43:06 am
I am actually looking forward to the draft, to see what happens. It's kind of fun having he third pick (aside from the being sh*tty the year before part).
What's with the "signability" issues with the NC State guy? He's a college guy, and can't do much better than the third pick. Where's the leverage?
People are just scared due to Boras being his agent. Boras does not need leverage.
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 03, 2014, 09:27:08 am
I will be watching what happens in the draft. My feelings are we need the best RHP we can get. While I realize taking the best available is the best way to draft avoiding Boras and taking a RHP would be better for the organization. We are already overloaded at the major league with LHPs. Better balance would be better. That said I would prefer the big RHP out of Texas. I believe whoever is selected by the Sox will likely be on a fast track to the majors.
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Post by: Method on June 03, 2014, 01:34:03 pm
Latest draft rumor is that Marlins have agreed to a pre-draft deal with Jackson... and will be taking him at 2...
That means one of Rodon or Aiken will be there at 3!
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2014, 12:01:03 am
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Post by: SoxRule on June 05, 2014, 08:34:37 am
What time does the draft start today?
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Post by: msf on June 05, 2014, 09:22:31 am
The First-Year Player Draft begins with the Draft preview show on MLB.com and MLB Network tonight at 6 ET. Live Draft coverage from MLB Network's Studio 42 begins at 7 p.m., with the top 74 picks being streamed on MLB.com and broadcast on MLB Network. MLB.com's exclusive coverage of the second and third days will begin with a live Draft show at 12:30 p.m. ET on Friday.
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Post by: SoxRule on June 05, 2014, 09:25:23 am
Thanks!
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Post by: Method on June 05, 2014, 09:51:51 am
6? so i have to work today... i was hoping it was at noon...
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Post by: SoxRule on June 05, 2014, 12:33:19 pm
As Blackie mentioned the other day, it's kind of exciting having the #3 pick. The Sox don't get this opportunity very often -- they cannot mess this up!!
Part of me is a bit jealous knowing the Cubs will have a top 3 pick again next year (and could possibly get #1). ;D
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2014, 06:23:48 pm
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Post by: Method on June 05, 2014, 06:39:21 pm
FANTASTIC!
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Post by: msf on June 05, 2014, 06:47:52 pm
Just hope we can sign him at close to the recommended slot. Do like we did with Sale and promise to move him quickly in exchange for a close to slot money.
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Post by: Method on June 05, 2014, 06:59:03 pm
Really happy we didnt cheap out on the pick.. they could have decided to go underslot.. glad they took BPA.
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Post by: SoxRule on June 05, 2014, 06:59:47 pm
Thanks for sweeping us last year, Cubs! That, my friends, was pretty darn exciting!
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Post by: Method on June 05, 2014, 07:02:31 pm
some folks on cubs board were 100% sure sox would pass on rodon... no way they take a borass client...
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Post by: msf on June 05, 2014, 07:02:44 pm
I would not like the Cubs pick if I was a Cub fan. They did what many expected us to do, try to go under slot and use extra money next round.
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Post by: SoxRule on June 05, 2014, 07:43:42 pm
I've already heard from a few of my friends who are cub fans and they hate their pick.
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Post by: aka Loveland on June 05, 2014, 08:12:44 pm
Drats!! I missed it.
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Post by: whitesox dope on June 05, 2014, 08:31:48 pm
Rule he is the catcher from IU he's good ( better than Phegley) but not worthy of a #1 The coob is trying to spread their draft money around so he is prob cheap for a #1 as MSF said
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Post by: msf on June 05, 2014, 08:46:04 pm
Like Jeter said a while back, if we got him, wished his name was Rodan. But we can call him that anyways.
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Post by: josephc on June 05, 2014, 09:07:43 pm
I'm OK with calling him Rodan.
Great pick! Just sign the damn kid!
Keith Law on BBTN just said that his slider is a "plus" pitch as it is today. I wonder if they'd consider calling him up like they did with Sale in his draft year....
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 05, 2014, 09:12:09 pm
Well I didn't think they'd take Rodon. I actually felt Kolec would fall to them
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2014, 09:13:12 pm
Just hope we can sign him at close to the recommended slot. Do like we did with Sale and promise to move him quickly in exchange for a close to slot money.
I think all this talk about Rodon being a tough sign because he's a Boras client is BS. As long as they offer him the slot money plus or minus 5% or so, he should be an easy sign. The slot money for the third pick is $5,721,500. Rodon allegedly is looking for $6M which falls within the 5% above slot value range.
Rodon has very little leverage. IMO, less leverage than a HS player. Rodon's choices are to sign and have a fast track to the majors, maybe reaching the 25-man roster within two months of signing (like Sale did). I'm sure Hahn & Co. will point out to him the fast track opportunity that was offered to Sale and the fact that the persent 25-man roster has only one lefty in the bullpen. They'll probably also inform him that the White Sox are NOT an organization that has a history of playing games with their prospects of slow call-ups to prevent "Super-Two Status" or delayed call-ups to prevent their MLB Service Time from starting.
Or Rodon can take his chances by going back to N.C. State, stay healthy, play another year for a coaching staff that some say overused him and play for N.C. State that underachieved and will lose two of their 3 best hitters (shortstop Trea Turner & catcher Bret Austin) to the draft. For what? The potential to move up a max of two spots in next year's draft for a max $2M more signing bonus? That risk is too much for too little of a potential reward. Take the $5.5-6M now and get on with your career. The big money reward is when you reach 6 years of service time which will take at least a year longer if you go back to NC State.
All the talk last year was the successful g@mble Mark Appel made by going back in the draft to go #1. However people fail to realize that Appel signed for $1.4M BELOW slot with the Astros. He actually signed for less that the Cubs gave the #2 pick (Kris Bryant) who signed for the #2 slot value. College seniors have even less leverage than those who come out after their junior year. Appel was 'successful' because he moved up 7 spots. Carlos Rodon, if he goes back to NC State, can only move up a max of two spots.
Rodon would be a fool to return to NC State if the White Sox offer him at least $5.4 million.
My prediction: Rodon signs no later than three weeks from today.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2014, 09:15:41 pm
Conor Gillaspie's brother (Wichita State's switch-hitting first baseman Casey) goes to the Indians with the #20 pick.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2014, 09:20:29 pm
Nick Burdi, the closer for Louisville and a graduate of Downers Grove South is dropping in the draft. The consensus was that he would be drafted by Detroit with the #23 pick. Sure hope the White Sox select him if he's still on the board when they pick in round two. He's considered a possible fast track to a major league bullpen guy.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2014, 09:58:29 pm
White Sox pass on Nick Burdi. BOO! Instead they take Spencer Adams.
Adams is the dreaded "three sports HS star that should get better as he concentrates only on baseball".
White County HS (GA) RHP R/R HS 6'3" 171lbs DOB: 04/13/96
An elite athlete, Adams is a three-sport star in high school. The same athleticism that allows him to throw down dunks on the basketball court has helped him develop into a coveted right-hander. Adams' fastball sits in the low 90s and tops out at 95 mph with excellent life. His sharp slider is his best secondary offering and has the potential to be a swing-and-miss offering. His changeup and curveball give him two more pitches that have the chance to be average or better. Adams, a Georgia recruit, has a loose, easy delivery and repeats it well. His long, lean build leads scouts to believe he could add more velocity as he gets stronger and focuses solely on baseball.
Slot value for the overall 44th pick is $1,282,700
video of Spencer Adams: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v32371893/draft-report-spencer-adams-hs-pitcher (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v32371893/draft-report-spencer-adams-hs-pitcher)
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Post by: whitesox dope on June 05, 2014, 10:01:32 pm
He gone to the twins, looks like coob going cheap again
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2014, 10:14:24 pm
In their final mock draft, Jim Callis had Spencer Adams going to the Dodgers with the #22 pick and Jonathan Mayo predicted Adams would be chosen with the #34 pick by the Dodgers. So I guess The White Sox got a 'bargain'.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2014, 10:16:28 pm
He gone to the twins, looks like coob going cheap again
Cub fans are going to rue the day the Ricketts clan bought the team from the Cubune.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 06, 2014, 01:07:28 am
Adams is the dread[ed] "three sports HS star that should get better as he concentrates only on baseball"
Kenny Williams still gets to make one pick per draft.
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Post by: msf on June 06, 2014, 07:47:37 am
Andy, I thought Rodon and Boras want a 6M dollar bonus as well as a contract. At least that is how I read it in the Baseball America. If he gets what they are asking for the Sox would be left with 1.6M for the rest of their picks. Lets home that bonus is flexible.
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Post by: Method on June 06, 2014, 10:19:55 am
Last chance outlaws major league contracts for draft picks... bora $$ can want but he won't get
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2014, 12:24:43 pm
With the third pick in round three of the 2014 MLB First Year Draft the Chicago White Sox select.......
Showing no ill effects from 2012 Tommy John surgery, Fry joined fellow lefty Ben Wetzler to form two-thirds of Oregon State's very effective weekend rotation in 2014. Fry uses deception and pitchability to allow his average stuff to play up. His fastball will top out in the low 90s, but it has a good amount of sink and tail to it. He'll add and subtract from his curveball to give hitters different looks, and his changeup often features good sink. He attacks hitters well, though he can get into trouble when he doesn't keep his stuff down in the zone. Fry may not wow scouts with plus stuff, but guys who perform well, especially in a conference like the PAC-12, tend to do well on Draft day.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2014, 01:25:20 pm
I watched about 15 NC State games this year on watchespn.com and like what I saw in Brett Austin. However I was hoping he'd fall to the White Sox in round 5. Would have preferred the White Sox draft Chris Oliver a RHP from U. of Arkansas who the Phillies picked four spots after Austin. Maybe drafting Brett Austin will make a Rodon signing more likely.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2014, 01:38:02 pm
Couldn't be happier to be apart of a great organization with the @whitesox! #Southside
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2014, 01:44:35 pm
With the third pick in round five of the 2014 MLB First-Year Player Draft the Chicago White Sox select.......
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bpd8QKfCIAANKT7.jpg)
Zach Thompson, RHP University of Texas - Arlington (TX)
RHP R/R JR 6'7" 210lbs DOB: 10/23/93
Thompson is fairly new to pitching, but already has the plus velocity that many scouts look for. Thompson’s fastball will sit in the low to mid 90s and touch 96 mph but comes in straight too often, especially when he leaves it up. He also throws a changeup, curveball and slider, and all three will need a good amount of development in pro ball to become consistent weapons. He does have decent command of his pitches and has shown a willingness to go right after hitters, which could help his stuff play up. Although raw, especially for a college arm, Thompson should intrigue teams with his frame and arm strength.
It hasn't been easy to see Peter on the mound, as he didn't pitch as a freshman and worked just 22 1/3 innings the past two seasons as a part-time closer. In those brief looks, he has shown a swing-and-miss fastball that sits at 92-94 mph and tops out at 96. He's not a big guy, but he has a quick arm and a reasonably sound delivery. Peter shows signs of a decent breaking ball and has the competitive edge to develop into a late-inning reliever. Like most two-way performers, he prefers playing everyday to pitching, so the team that drafts him may have to send him out as a second baseman and make him a full-time pitcher down the road. Peter is a prospect as a second baseman, too, though his ceiling is more as a utilityman than as a regular. He handles the bat well, lacks pop and is an average runner, so he'll probably fit toward the bottom of a pro lineup. He has a strong arm and is a surehanded defender who made just two errors as a junior.
Thanks for the updates, Ang. Lots of college guys.
probably figuring that with the drafting of Carlos Rodon there won't be much money left to pay HS talent "overslot" money to get them to turn down college scholarships.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 06, 2014, 04:04:40 pm
the draft experts on mlb.com are saying this just might be a "slot money saving pick" willing to sign for $10K or less which would enable Chicago to allocate the "saved" money to signing Rodon or Spencer Adams. Though they also said he had some real impressive numbers this year for LIU.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2014, 04:51:18 pm
With the third pick in the 9th round of the 2014 MLB First-Year Player Draft the Chicago White Sox select.......
Clark was a reliever for the first two years of his college career, including a season spent as Kent State’s closer. He moved to the front of the rotation this spring and was effective in his new role. Clark’s stuff got better as the season went on. His fastball sits in the low-90s, occasionally touching 94 mph. His slider is his best secondary pitch and he also throws a changeup. Listed at 6-foot-3, 215 pounds, Clark has the physical build of a starter. But he’ll need to improve his changeup and refine his control to remain in the rotation as a professional. A return to the bullpen is always possible as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2014, 07:22:20 pm
The talking heads on mlb.com were surprised when the White Sox made their 10th round pick. Said Jake Jarvis was committed to Texas A&M and would be a tough sign. Looks like they may be wrong if a recent tweet gives a hint:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 07, 2014, 03:42:23 pm
The 14th rounder is one of the few HS kids taken. He is supposed to be "unsignable" and supposed to be a good one. Lets get it done on that front. Rodon, #2, #3 and this #14 and I will call it a good draft.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 07, 2014, 08:59:09 pm
Actually former '60s & '70s Athletics/Reds/Brewers/Cardinals pitcher Ed Sprague, Sr.'s grandson and son of former '90s & '00s Blue Jays/Pirates/Padres/Mariners/Red Sox/A's third baseman Ed Sprague, Jr. Jed's mother is U.S. Olympic Gold Medalist Kristen Babb. Babb won the gold in Solo synchronized swimming during the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2014, 10:18:03 pm
I heard bits & pieces of a Rongey interview with Doug Laumann about 6:30pm tonight on WSCR while I was driving to the grocery store. Pretty honest interview in which Laumann said the draft is too long and there really isn't enough potential major league talent to last anywhere close to 40 rounds.
Then when I came home and looked at the last few rounds I see he is right and thought the White Sox were mailing it in as their last three picks were two Chicago HS inner-city kids that played in the White Sox ACE program and a Canadian JC kid that has been drafted three straight years and has fallen in the draft each year.
Even their 37th pick Jed Sprague is a stretch. Yes he has good bloodlines with both his father & grandfather being former baseball players who played over 10 years each in the majors and having a mother who won an Olympic gold medal too. However he hit .283 this year as a HS senior and .248 as a junior. Those are numbers that usually don't get you any interest by a NCAA D-III college baseball program or a JUCO program, let alone drafted by a MLB organization.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 08, 2014, 09:16:28 pm
Looking at the draft... i am pretty happy... we need to sign our top 15 thought...
Like the push for college pitchers, MIs and Cs. couple of OFers no CI till round 21 and thats good.
Must signs are #2 #3 #10 #14 #15 and obviously #1.
Couple of hidden gems in recent pitching conversions who have good size/athletic ability... i think we drafted really well, comes down to getting them all signed... if we can sign our top 15, this is a HR draft.... #14 is gong to be the hardest with Jake Jarvis at 10 being another tough sign.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 09, 2014, 09:43:01 am
With the third overall pick in the draft, the White Sox drafted lefty Carlos Rodon, and 105 picks later, in the fourth round, they also drafted his catcher at NC State, Brett Austin. Austin is a big fan of his current, and perhaps future, teammate, MLB.com’s Scott Merkin reports. “I’m going to branch out and say he could be like a Clayton Kershaw one day,” says Austin. “It’s bold to say, but I’ve heard someone say he’s the best amateur pitcher they’ve ever seen over the last 20 years. And me catching him for the last three years, I’ve kind of started to believe that, too.”
Looking at the draft... i am pretty happy... we need to sign our top 15 thought...
Like the push for college pitchers, MIs and Cs. couple of OFers no CI till round 21 and thats good.
Must signs are #2 #3 #10 #14 #15 and obviously #1.
Couple of hidden gems in recent pitching conversions who have good size/athletic ability... i think we drafted really well, comes down to getting them all signed... if we can sign our top 15, this is a HR draft.... #14 is gong to be the hardest with Jake Jarvis at 10 being another tough sign.
We are going to sign Jarvis if we have not already. The 2nd rounder has signed, Adams, supposed to be a great athlete for a pitcher. Front end starter capabilities. I think we have signed about 10 kids already.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 09, 2014, 08:56:53 pm
link!
I am excited about adams.. even though he is a 3 sport athlete...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on June 09, 2014, 08:59:00 pm
In round 18...with 4 wins over two years and a 5.18 ERA....Tanner Banks
getting De Oca now would really be fantastic... as a kid thats had TJ before i'd think he would be an easier sign then has been indicated so far...
Brewster is the other one i'd love to see signed soon...
I also thought since he had TJ surgery before he would want the money in case it reoccurs. Can he make it thru 3 years of college w/o reinjuring it??? Big chance to take.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2014, 07:51:04 am
Metodo, here is a list of whom we drafted, the ones in BOLD are the ones we have signed thus far
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 10, 2014, 11:32:05 am
Thanks MSf.
I'd read recently on fangraphs that pitchers who have TJ before age 19 have a rather high incidence of having a 2nd TJ... so De Oca should take his 700K if we offer it and run to the bank.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2014, 01:12:22 pm
I'd read recently on fangraphs that pitchers who have TJ before age 19 have a rather high incidence of having a 2nd TJ... so De Oca should take his 700K if we offer it and run to the bank.
Another kid we took, Adam Choplick, is a 6-9 LHP from Oklahoma. He has already had 2 TJ surgeries. Choplick, we could have some fun with that name.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 11, 2014, 07:50:52 pm
According to SoxTalk, we have already signed 30 of our 40 picks. All but 4 are top 30 picks -- two whom are still playing, and of course, the Big Two (Rodon and Montes de Oca).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 11, 2014, 08:47:18 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 12, 2014, 12:59:54 pm
Just remember, some of those top 10 picks are not your ordinary top 10 type players. At least 4-5 of them would have been round 20-30 players if not for the fact we wanted to underslot them and they agreed, so we took them early. We are laying all our eggs into the top 3 picks this year. Which I understand and do not have a problem with. Just do not expect a lot from some of these early round guys.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 12, 2014, 04:15:13 pm
msf now that you made a prediction there probably going to be pretty good ;)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 12, 2014, 04:50:05 pm
as we all know too well Juan.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 13, 2014, 12:30:13 pm
The White Sox have acquired outfielder Matt Tuiasosopo from the Blue Jays in exchange for cash considerations, the Jays’ Triple-A affiliate (Buffalo Bisons) announced on Twitter (h/t to Richard Griffin of the Toronto Star). Toronto claimed the out-of-options Tuiasosopo off waivers late in the spring and then outrighted him to Triple-A. The 28-year-old has a .206/.289/.271 slash in 242 plate appearances on the year for Buffalo.
Tuiasosopo ? isnt that the guy that cat fished Manti Te`o?
Some sort of relative of that guy, I think a cousin.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 14, 2014, 07:40:00 pm
The White Sox appear to have saved $385.6K with their round two-through-ten amateur draft signings, tweets Jim Callis of MLB.com. That would free the club to commit up to $6,107,100 to Rodon, the third overall selection of the draft, without incurring any penalties.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 10, 2014, 12:22:24 am
[moving Rodon discussion here from Around Baseball page 116]
The White Sox have agreed to terms with No. 3 overall pick Carlos Rodon on a bonus north of $6.45MM, reports Jon Heyman of CBS Sports. The slot value of the No. 3 overall pick is $5.7215MM, so his bonus will be more than $700K over slot. Jeff Gravley of WRAL-TV tweeted earlier today that Rodon is traveling to Chicago today for a physical, which will take place tomorrow. He is expected to join the Class-A Advanced Winton-Salem Dash, according to Gravley.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 10, 2014, 12:33:53 am
bonus north of $6.45 million
Hopefully "north" means under the Ang-cited number ($6,582,385) where we lose a draft pick for next year. No money left for anyone else, I am guessing. Not for Choplick, and certainly not for De Oca. But that's cool... Rodon is in the fold.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 10, 2014, 08:37:15 am
No Choplick, damn, was looking forward to that name.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 10, 2014, 08:45:40 am
From SoxTalk, to funny
Some careful stalking of Twitter seems to reveal that Rodon has dumped his (White Sox-supporting) girlfriend just before he sealed his bonus. Dude is ice cold.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 10, 2014, 02:15:05 pm
according to Baseball America, White Sox & Carlos Rodon/Jeff Boras agree to a bonus of $6,582,000:
Sox are delaying his assignment - giving him some time to build up his arm strength again - and Hahn hints in the article he may end this season in the bullpen.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on July 12, 2014, 05:59:56 pm
Also, I can't help but notice he's signing with his right hand. Does that mean that he (or somebody else) intentionally taught him to pitch left handed?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2014, 08:06:02 pm
Also, I can't help but notice he's signing with his right hand. Does that mean that he (or somebody else) intentionally taught him to pitch left handed?
Or it could be a genius trick instigated by the evil Scott Boras to leave room to eventually challenge the legality of the contract if Rodon lives up to his hype. Boras will then claim in court or arbitration that Carlos Rodon signed it with his 'wrong' hand and thus the contract should be declared null and void and Rodon should immediately be declared an restricted free-agent without compensation. ;D
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 13, 2014, 12:53:17 am
Boyer, the evil genius that he is, actually told Rodon to hold the pen with his right hand just for that shot... just to f*ck with the message board people.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 13, 2014, 08:00:40 am
well, he went to NC State. Likely just makes an X for his name. I could do that opposite handed as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on July 13, 2014, 06:21:00 pm
I'm not sure what you are implying about the NC state there MSG... but considering he picked Borass as his agent... its probably true.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on July 13, 2014, 10:18:25 pm
Heh. Method went and stole my next sticht. Now I'll have to type out Mono-Sodium Glutamate. Drats.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 14, 2014, 02:22:20 pm
The White Sox have released right-hander Henry Rodriguez, the team announced. Rodriguez just recently signed a minor league deal with the Sox but posted a 21.60 ERA, three strikeouts and a whopping eight walks over 1 2/3 innings with Triple-A Charlotte. That lack of control has been the story of Rodriguez’s career, as the righty has recorded a 6.4 BB/9 over 150 1/3 Major League innings with the Marlins, Cubs, Nationals and A’s over six seasons in the Show, though his high-90′s fastball has helped him record 151 strikeouts. This is the second time Rodriguez has been released this season, as the Marlins already cut ties with him in June.
Would be nice if Adam Lopez was back as well. Both were supposed to be back by AS Game. We have a lot of SP on the DL. Bassitt, Lopez, Leesman, Hanson, Cose (going to miss entire year), Montas, McCray, and Matt Lane (also missing entire year).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 22, 2014, 01:21:50 pm
(UPTOWN CHARLOTTE, NC) - Charlotte first baseman Andy Wilkins, who hit two home runs in Sunday's game at BB&T Ballpark -- his second two-homer game of the week -- was named as the International League's Batter of the Week for the period from July 14-July 20, as announced by the International League of Professional Baseball Clubs, Inc. earlier today. The award is the second for Wilkins in his career. He earned International League Batter of the Week honors last season for the period of July 15-21.
Wilkins had a wonderful week at the plate for the Charlotte Knights, who took three of four games from the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders in a shortened week due to the All-Star Break. A native of Tulsa, OK, Wilkins hit .647 (11-for-17) with seven runs scored, one double, five home runs, and eight RBIs over the four-game series. Wilkins has enjoyed hitting against the RailRiders and owns a .618 batting average (21-for-34) with 12 runs scored, four doubles, one triple, seven home runs, and 14 RBIs over eight games against the club this year.
Nestor Molina has a 0.57 ERA over his last 15.2 innings. He's given up five hits, walked one, and struck out ten over that span.
He and Sergio Santos were basically crap for crap eh?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 24, 2014, 07:36:53 pm
Wanted to mention the farm teams have been much better of late. We were a combined -50 or damn close to it with our AAA, AA, Hi A, Lo A, and 2 rookie league not that long ago. I think those same 6 teams were only -29 after last night. I am not counting the Dominican Summer League team (tho they have been better of late too).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 25, 2014, 03:31:22 pm
Birmingham has some serious offense...
Name OPS
Christian Marrero (OF) .926 Jared Mitchell (OF) .887 Micah Johnson (2B) .880 Rangel Ravelo (1B) .870 Kevan Smith (C) .839
I didn't include Martin Medina (C) or Dan Black (1B) for lack of ABs. Black is OPSing .908 and Medina is at 1.020. Smith needs to work on his defense but he is looking like a future replacement for Flowers. Johnson should replace Beckham by next year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 25, 2014, 03:36:31 pm
Looks like Johnson and Black are at AAA now. Both OPSing in .700s there. Mitchell sucked at AAA, which is why he is at AA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 25, 2014, 04:21:00 pm
Not convinced Smith is replacing Flowers. Too bad Phegley cannot catch, his hitting seems to be decent again this year, about .280 with 15 homers and quite a few ribbies. I am guessing we keep Flowers, and Phegley is his backup. Smith to AAA. Nieto to AA.
I wish we would go after Suzuki. That dude might be the best defensive catcher I have ever seen. Not sure of his throwing % on steals, but he saves so many runs for the Twins with his blocks, simply amazing. He is a better hitter than I had thought too.
Most likely our next catcher will come from a trade.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 25, 2014, 09:49:21 pm
msf
Suzuki is streaky check his stats from year to year. I'm not as down on Flowers as many are. He's a good catcher defensively, hitting just under 240, will end up withy 10+ homers, which is about average for MLB catchers. And no way I see Nieto go way down to AA ball after batting 260+ and being a left handed catcher. I think about Phegly vaguely
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 25, 2014, 11:59:12 pm
Rangel Ravelo
Had to look him up. Sixth round pick in 2010, out of HS. Guessing that since he is playing 1B, he is a guy without a position in the Bigs. Trade fodder?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 26, 2014, 07:32:11 am
Juan, I agree with you on Flowers. He has won a bit of me back over. But man, those Ks. I think they would like Nieto back in the minors to work on overall game. He has not been in AA yet, that is why I would guess that is where he goes. He has only played A ball until this year, which makes his .260 impressive.
Blackie, Rangel Ravelo is going to be a good hitter, if he comes up with some power he may be an Ordonez type hitter. Tons of doubles, does not K much, walks a lot. Just has to find a position. Was a 3B when we drafted him but they moved him to 1B. Hate to trade a hitter like this Blackie, he is still young.
I would like to see them move Micah Johnson to LF and try Carlos Sanchez or Marcus Semien in Beckham's spot next year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on July 26, 2014, 10:38:59 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 26, 2014, 02:29:15 pm
Charlotte goes up against Dylan Axelrod in Game 1 of their DH today. heh, should be a lot of whinnying and foot stomps with snorts coming from the Charlotte dugout.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 29, 2014, 07:41:12 pm
Blackie, your boy The Hound is starting for the Barons tonight vs Cubs AA team.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 31, 2014, 08:13:08 am
19 Ks for W-S pitchers in that game. Rodon has had some walk issues, but one of the runners who scored was on due to WP on a strike 3 swing. Just needs to get his control.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on July 31, 2014, 01:47:22 pm
Complete amateur observation here....
Does his front foot positioning look any different here?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 01, 2014, 12:18:28 pm
Criminy. Once we give up on this season, we need to release Dunn and let this kid hit for a couple months. Likely not going to make it, but ya just never know.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 07, 2014, 11:57:36 am
3 scoreless innings for Rodon in his start for Winston-Salem in High A ball. 2 hits, 1 BB, 3 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 10, 2014, 06:06:26 pm
•The White Sox have released right-hander Shawn Hill from Triple-A Charlotte, according to the International League transactions page. The veteran 33-year-old pitched to a 4.81 ERA with 4.2 K/9 and 1.4 BB/9 in 58 innings for the Knights after being acquired in a minor trade with the Blue Jays back in June. Hill last saw the bigs in 2012 with Toronto, and he has a lifetime 4.69 ERA with 5.6 K/9 and 2.8 BB/9 in 242 Major League innings.
The White Sox’s plan that can make Carlos Rodon an elite pitcher Dan Hayes, CSNChicago.com Insider Aug 11, 2014, 11:47 AM EDT
Carlos Rodon’s plus fastball and elite slider are probably enough to get him by in the majors in the estimation of one talent evaluator.
But a month into his professional career the White Sox and their top prospect have made the improvement of Rodon’s changeup one a priority.
Rodon — the third overall pick in June’s amateur draft — believes command of his changeup will make him a better major leaguer, whenever the White Sox decide to make that happen.
The left-handed pitcher out of North Carolina State is already viewed as a great talent: MLB.com rates him the No. 22 prospect in baseball while ESPN’s Keith Law ranked him No. 10 last month. Baseball America’s JJ Cooper unofficially has Rodon rated between 40-45.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 11, 2014, 06:50:40 pm
would anyone trade Rodon for Baez?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 11, 2014, 08:38:05 pm
No.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on August 12, 2014, 07:55:37 am
For Baez, no!
For Bryant...that's a tough one if we're talking player for player straight up (no one else involved). We really need another big time hitter. Of course, we really need more impact pitching too, so that's tough. Maybe it just seems like Bryant is so much more talented because of the insane hype surrounding every Cubs prospect. I haven't heard quite as much about Rodon since we drafted him. There's no "Rodon Watch" going on like the "Core Four" or "Future Five".
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 12, 2014, 09:29:47 am
Bryant will move to the OF where he will be less valuable. Still likely a big power guy but pitching wins WSs. I'll take Sale, Rodon, Quintana, Abreu, Eaton, Garcia over their core 6 all day long.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on August 12, 2014, 09:54:19 am
Putting Garcia and Eaton is a losing affair.. first 4 i'd take though.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 12, 2014, 04:03:02 pm
Huh? Eaton will get better, and he's already a nice leadoff hitter. Garcia is going to be a stud.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 12, 2014, 04:05:59 pm
He would have been promoted a couple of days earlier but it took time to get all thirteen letters of his last name properly sewed on the back of his new W-S Dash jersey. ;D
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on August 12, 2014, 05:23:19 pm
I like Eaton a lot... but he is hurt a lot. his OPS this year at 770 is his higest iirc.
Avisail might be a stud... but someone with his walk rate is more likely to not make it then make it to stud lvl...
no confidence in players that K 5X the amt they walk.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 12, 2014, 06:48:46 pm
What Method said about Avisail.
Also, permission to call the kid Trey Malphabet?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 12, 2014, 09:19:48 pm
Saying this is Eaton's highest OBP ever is meaningless as this is only his first full season. His minor league OBP was even higher. In 2012 in AAA ball he his .381 with and OBP of .456 and OPS of .995. In 2012 with the D'backs his OBP was .383 over103 at bats.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on August 13, 2014, 09:36:29 am
Players on the DL have a .000 OBP....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 13, 2014, 03:47:52 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 17, 2014, 08:47:20 pm
Rodon has been promoted to AAA. Stoney said three starts and then up with the big boys, in the bullpen, in September.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 17, 2014, 08:48:34 pm
Oops, guess I should have read the "2014 Sox Manglement" thread before posting.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 25, 2014, 06:52:37 pm
White Sox top prospect Carlos Rodon dominated Sunday in his second career start for Triple-A Charlotte. Rodon pitched four innings and struck out eight batters, including five of the last six he faced. Less than two months after signing as the third overall pick in the draft, Rodon is already pitching well at the highest level of the minor leagues.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 27, 2014, 10:00:04 am
MSF - any idea where that young international kid the Sox signed last year is playing?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 27, 2014, 11:33:44 am
Which one? Micker Adolfo? He is playing with the Sox entry in the Arizona Rookie League. I am guessing that is the one. He was known as Micker Zapata at one time too.
Which one? Micker Adolfo? He is playing with the Sox entry in the Arizona Rookie League. I am guessing that is the one. He was known as Micker Zapata at one time too.
that's the guy. pretty good numbers for a kid who should be in HS.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 29, 2014, 10:30:44 am
Here comes the Hound Dog
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 01, 2014, 01:28:12 am
Now that the regular MLB season is over and the draft order is set, the mock drafts are starting. This one has the CWS picking another LHP. Will they be the first team to have a 5-man lefty rotation? Guess that's better than drafting another "reminds you of a young Kenny Williams". Daz Cameron, predicted to be the #2 overall pick, is the son of former White Sox Mike Cameron.
Now that the regular MLB season is over and the draft order is set, the mock drafts are starting. This one has the CWS picking another LHP. Will they be the first team to have a 5-man lefty rotation? Guess that's better than drafting another "reminds you of a young Kenny Williams". Daz Cameron, predicted to be the #2 overall pick, is the son of former White Sox Mike Cameron.
Has the Twins taking a SS with #6 pick, they just took Flash Gordon's kid this year as a SS. Highly doubt they turn down pitching for an infielder.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on October 01, 2014, 11:11:32 am
Way to early wish... Brendan Rogers falls to the Sox.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 11, 2014, 08:36:58 pm
Keith Law says
The White Sox's farm system looks like it's the strongest it's been since I started ranking and evaluating systems for ESPN in 2008, with four likely top-100 prospects, including right-hander Francellis Montas who hit 102 mph in an instructional league game last week. Acquired from Boston in the Jake Peavy trade, Montas has developed very quickly into a potential front-line starter -- because, you know, the White Sox need another one of those -- working 94-98 on Thursday night with a plus slider at 87-90 that has curveball shape because his arm slot is high. His changeup wasn't as good Thursday as scouts who saw him in instructs said it was; you could really see him work to turn the pitch over and slow his arm to get the pitch right, and if I see that, hitters will, too.
He's built like ... well, Bartolo Colon is the only guy built like this in the majors, so let's say a "young Bartolo Colon," with a mature body and very thick hips and legs. He's coming off a knee injury that ended his year but moved well when he had to make a play in the field. He's nowhere near as advanced as Carlos Rodon, and there's still a chance he ends up in relief, but the White Sox have such a good track record with arms that I wouldn't rule him out from starting unless disaster strikes.
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Post by: msf on October 14, 2014, 08:43:28 am
Tony Graffanino has a son who is a helluva ballplayer. Just finished HS in Arizona, going to Univ of Washington to play baseball. Pretty good SS. Likely a pay site article but not sure.
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Post by: msf on October 17, 2014, 10:24:56 am
You all remember Hunnie I assume, her son Johnny Field had a great year in the Tampa Bay Rays minor leagues. The outfielder ended up with a .300/.376/.488 line with 36 doubles, 8 tripes, 12 homers, 58 RBI and 23 steals. In Baseball America issue 1421 it lists him as one Ray minor leaguer to keep your eye on. Pretty nice year, congrats Johnny and Hunnie.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on October 17, 2014, 08:04:48 pm
msf, you underemphasized how good a prospect he is. He got this award
Rays Minor League Honors: Player Of The Year Johnny Field
Prior to Friday evenings game against the Chicago White Sox the Tampa Bay Rays announced their 2014 Minor League Award Winners.
FieldThe organizations Minor League Player of the Year was awarded to centerfielder Johnny Field. Field was the Rays 5th round pick in the 2013 draft out of the University of Arizona and opened the 2014 season with the Rays Class-A affiliate Bowling Green Hot Rods.
With the Hot Rods he appeared in 82 games and after batting .290/.367/.461 with seven homers and 18 stolen bases was promoted to the Rays High-A affiliate Charlotte Stone Crabs where he played the final 40 games of the season batting .320/.396/.547 with five homers and five stolen bases.
Read more at http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/johnny-field-earns-top-honor-in-rays-system/#8BTr1zofs30XprbS.99
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Post by: msf on October 18, 2014, 08:27:37 am
msf, you underemphasized how good a prospect he is. He got this award
Rays Minor League Honors: Player Of The Year Johnny Field
Prior to Friday evenings game against the Chicago White Sox the Tampa Bay Rays announced their 2014 Minor League Award Winners.
FieldThe organizations Minor League Player of the Year was awarded to centerfielder Johnny Field. Field was the Rays 5th round pick in the 2013 draft out of the University of Arizona and opened the 2014 season with the Rays Class-A affiliate Bowling Green Hot Rods.
With the Hot Rods he appeared in 82 games and after batting .290/.367/.461 with seven homers and 18 stolen bases was promoted to the Rays High-A affiliate Charlotte Stone Crabs where he played the final 40 games of the season batting .320/.396/.547 with five homers and five stolen bases.
Read more at http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/johnny-field-earns-top-honor-in-rays-system/#8BTr1zofs30XprbS.99
In Baseball America another player won Minor League Player of Year for the Rays. Either way, nice season.
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Post by: Shoeless on October 21, 2014, 05:28:48 pm
another great start for Montas. Could be a huge steal. Bassitt also pitching well and Anderson on fire. The HS kid we took second had a great start to professional ball. We're finally reloading.
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Post by: msf on October 21, 2014, 07:15:53 pm
Bassitt celebated getting to go back to the bullpen. He loves the pen. He may be a big piece of the pen in 2015.
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Post by: BlackSox on October 22, 2014, 11:17:40 pm
Nice! Weird that The Hound says he prefers the bullpen over starting, but what the hey, "know thyself" as they say.
msf, does Kevan Smith have a chance to be something? How is his arm/defense?
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Post by: msf on October 23, 2014, 06:45:59 am
I think his defense and arm are fine. His biggest problem was his age, old for most of the levels he has played in. Bigger guy, like Flowers I would expect.
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Post by: ISF on November 04, 2014, 02:08:01 pm
A's claim Taylor Thompson off waivers from Sox. Outright Bryan Anderson to AAA:
The Athletics announced that they have claimed right-hander Taylor Thompson off waivers from the White Sox and outrighted catcher Bryan Anderson to Triple-A. Anderson will be able to elect minor league free agency.
The 27-year-old Thompson got his first taste of the Major Leagues this season with the White Sox but allowed six runs in 5 1/3 innings. A former 44th-round draft pick, he pitched well at Triple-A this season, posting a 2.14 ERA with 10.4 K/9 and 4.4 BB/9 in 59 innings of relief.
Anderson, also 27, received one plate appearance with the A’s this season and has had four brief cups of coffee at the Major League level. He owns a .206/.261/.270 slash line as a big leaguer, having appeared with the Cardinals, White Sox and A’s. In parts of seven seasons at Triple-A, Anderson is a .261/.336/.400 hitter.
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Post by: msf on November 04, 2014, 02:47:28 pm
Not a big loss, but I always did like the kid. He was a 44th rounder or some late round like that. I remember putting draft pick info out on one of our older forums and when it got to him I recalled he was a tremendous HS pitcher in Alabama but decided to go to Auburn and he just got lost in the shuffle there. He never had a real good year at Auburn despite the "big" arm. So I remember giving him a long shot to make our club some day.
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Post by: BlackSox on November 11, 2014, 03:12:34 pm
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Post by: msf on November 11, 2014, 03:59:31 pm
I have not honestly gone over the entire list. I saw on SoxKids board that one guy liked Carlysle as well as one other Met reliever who was on the list. I would think their could be some relievers to be had, but hell, lets get big leaguers, we got plenty of money to use.
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Post by: Method on November 13, 2014, 11:33:14 am
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Post by: ISF on November 14, 2014, 12:50:52 pm
I would have definite interest in bringing Shaun Marcum into camp on a minor league deal. Let him compete for the rotation but plan for a spot in the bullpen. Oliver Drake would be another one to look at. Cheap bullpen help.
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Post by: BlackSox on November 17, 2014, 01:48:28 pm
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Post by: ISF on November 20, 2014, 02:49:36 pm
After clearing some roster space, the White Sox have made several promotions, per Colleen Kane of the Chicago Tribune (via Twitter). The team has purchased the contracts of righty Frank Montas, infielders Rangel Ravelo and Tyler Saladino, and catcher Kevan Smith
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Post by: ISF on November 20, 2014, 02:50:44 pm
The White Sox have designated reliever Ronald Belisario for assignment, Paul Sullivan of the Chicago Tribune reports on Twitter. The club also claimed lefty Onelki Garcia from the Dodgers and outrighted outfielder Jared Mitchell, per the Tribune’s Colleen Kane
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Post by: BlackSox on November 20, 2014, 03:16:21 pm
Oh no! We might mght lose jared Mitchell in the Rule V draft!
...Not :-)
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Post by: ISF on November 20, 2014, 04:01:33 pm
They've updated the article to include information on each of the 3 players. Regarding Garcia:
Garcia is an intriguing pick-up for Chicago. The 25-year-old has only limited big league experience, but has already racked up over a year of service time due to injury. But he has one solid season under his belt in the upper minors, back in 2012, and his live arm was intriguing enough that Baseball America rated him the Dodgers’ ninth-best prospect heading into 2014 in spite of his having undergone an elbow procedure. As BA wrote, the Cuban has a big fastball and good curve with plenty of upside if he can improve his control and add polish.
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Post by: msf on November 20, 2014, 04:05:44 pm
I read an LA writeup on this, they really hoped to sneak him thru and get him to AAA. All the NL teams and 4 AL teams passed, they thought they had it made, the Sox took him. Maybe the Sox are onto something.
msf, you underemphasized how good a prospect he is. He got this award
Rays Minor League Honors: Player Of The Year Johnny Field
Prior to Friday evenings game against the Chicago White Sox the Tampa Bay Rays announced their 2014 Minor League Award Winners.
The organizations Minor League Player of the Year was awarded to centerfielder Johnny Field. Field was the Rays 5th round pick in the 2013 draft out of the University of Arizona and opened the 2014 season with the Rays Class-A affiliate Bowling Green Hot Rods.
With the Hot Rods he appeared in 82 games and after batting .290/.367/.461 with seven homers and 18 stolen bases was promoted to the Rays High-A affiliate Charlotte Stone Crabs where he played the final 40 games of the season batting .320/.396/.547 with five homers and five stolen bases.
Read more at http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/johnny-field-earns-top-honor-in-rays-system/#8BTr1zofs30XprbS.99
The ABL.TV links work the best and if you want to watch the game LIVE, Perth Australia is 14 hours AHEAD of the Central Time zone (U.S.) so, for example, the Saturday Jan. 3, 2015 doubleheader between Brisbane & Perth starts at 1:00PM local time which translates to Friday January 2nd at 11:00PM Chicago time. Brisbane is 16 hours ahead of Chicago time and Sydney is 17 hours ahead of Chicago time so watching the games on-demand is probably the best option for most of us.
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Post by: BlackSox on January 10, 2015, 07:16:35 pm
Sox sign some AAA fodder, while mlbtraderumors makes an egregious mistake:
The White Sox have re-signed outfielder Michael Taylor and signed third baseman Andy LaRoche, Baseball America’s Matt Eddy tweets. Chicago acquired Taylor from the Athletics last June, and the 29-year-old hit well for Triple-A Charlotte down the stretch to finish the year with a .275/.371/.437 minor league line in 512 plate appearances. LaRoche, a former top prospect with the Dodgers and Pirates and the brother of current White Sock Adam LaRoche, spent most of the past two seasons with the Blue Jays’ Triple-A club in Buffalo, where he hit .248/.309/.396 in 2014. The White Sox also signed first baseman Chris Jacobs, a 26-year-old who played for Class A+ Rancho Cucamonga in the Dodgers system last year.
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Post by: aka Loveland on January 11, 2015, 01:05:47 pm
heh
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Post by: ISF on January 12, 2015, 04:53:47 pm
So the LaRoches are the new Danks...
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Post by: ISF on January 15, 2015, 10:50:52 am
The White Sox have signed their former first-round pick, Brian Anderson, to a minor league deal, tweets Bruce Levine of 670thescore.com. Anderson, who doesn’t receive a camp invite, has been out of pro ball since 2012 but has a .273/.337/.454 batting line at Triple-A and also dabbled with pitching from 2010-12, totaling 31 innings with a 1.74 ERA between the minor leagues and independent ball.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on January 28, 2015, 09:20:31 pm
Keith Law just released his latest ranking of farm system strength
12. Chicago White Sox
They've added four players within the top-120 range of prospects in the past 24 months, via the draft and one trade, and they didn't give up any of those premium guys to add Jeff Samardzija this offseason. Although the system still isn't deep in average prospects, it is in the best shape it has been since I started ranking organizations seven years ago.
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Post by: Shoeless on January 28, 2015, 10:52:41 pm
Amazing. Hahn has been great
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Post by: msf on January 29, 2015, 08:35:48 am
Tigers are 30th. Twins were 2nd. White Sox are #12. Kansas City and Cleveland are 15th and 16th respectively.
Twins have two big ones coming off injuries, Buxton and Sano.
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Post by: BlackSox on January 29, 2015, 09:41:39 am
Robin Ventura calls White Sox prospect Courtney Hawkins most improved
By Colleen Kane - March 21, 2015, 6:43 PM
GLENDALE, Ariz. – White Sox manager Robin Ventura said Saturday he doesn’t think any player in spring training has made more strides than outfield prospect Courtney Hawkins.
Hawkins had a big day Saturday at Camelback Ranch, hitting a two-run, walk-off homer off Royals reliever Brandon Finnegan for a 6-4 Sox victory over the Royals. He also hit the game-tying, two-run homer in the seventh.
“All the strikeouts that he has had (in the past), but I think his confidence has grown here to where he’s seeing pitches,” Ventura said. “Today he gets down 0-2 with the chance to drive somebody in -- and that’s a big league pitcher that he’s facing. For me he has just made huge strides. Attitude-wise, everything is right where you want it to be.”
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Post by: msf on March 21, 2015, 08:38:10 pm
I have a boner.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 22, 2015, 12:00:17 am
John Sickels ranked Hunnie's son as the #19 rated Rays prospect. Sickels describes Johnny as "Undersized gamer-type with multiple skills, Adam Eaton-style possibilities."
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Post by: Shoeless on March 22, 2015, 02:37:20 pm
Just watched his two bombs. Kid has some serious power
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on March 22, 2015, 03:05:48 pm
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I have a boner.
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Just watched his two bombs. Kid has some serious power
So does Viciedo. Didn't stop him from getting DFAed.
Hawkins has had a very good spring training. I'll give you that. However, it's just spring training.
While Hawkins is only 21, he needs to produce at least three good months in Double-A for me to get excited about his future. He's been stuck in the Carolina League (High A-ball) for three seasons putting up mediocre numbers. #ThreeGoodWeeksMeanVeryLittle #Relax
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Post by: 4nek8 on March 22, 2015, 05:42:20 pm
The real question, msf: Have you ever NOT had one...?
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Post by: BlackSox on March 22, 2015, 06:58:42 pm
When one gets to be MSF's age, there are two rules: never trust a fart, and never waste a boner.
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Post by: msf on March 24, 2015, 07:30:48 am
Just watched his two bombs. Kid has some serious power
So does Viciedo. Didn't stop him from getting DFAed.
Hawkins has had a very good spring training. I'll give you that. However, it's just spring training.
While Hawkins is only 21, he needs to produce at least three good months in Double-A for me to get excited about his future. He's been stuck in the Carolina League (High A-ball) for three seasons putting up mediocre numbers. #ThreeGoodWeeksMeanVeryLittle #Relax
I know Andy, and I agree. All it takes is two words to get me back to reality, Buddy Bradford. No one hit in ST like that dude did.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 08, 2015, 11:38:54 pm
The latest 2015 MLB Mock Draft has the White Sox drafting Mike Cameron's son Daz with the overall eighth pick:
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Post by: msf on April 11, 2015, 09:06:11 pm
Rodon got the win 4-2 today, he went 5 and struck out 9. Asencio with 2nd save, that guy looks like best closer we have had in minors in some time. Bet he helps us as a setup guy in bigs yet this year.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 19, 2015, 07:15:23 pm
Rodon is getting called up, he's going to the bullpen initially.
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Post by: Method on April 19, 2015, 07:25:45 pm
Whoo hoo!
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 19, 2015, 08:04:46 pm
In more news, while its to early to get excited. Eric Johnson is 2-0 with a 1.13 ERA at Charlotte.
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Post by: josephc on April 20, 2015, 07:35:26 am
Note - one game was in relief.
No walks so far. That's encouraging, considering his control issues last year (4.6 BB/9 in AAA, 5.7 BB/9 with the Sox). He's traditionally had pretty decent control, at least from a walk rate perspective (~2.5 BB/9 in 2012~2013)
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Post by: SoxRule on April 20, 2015, 08:12:23 am
How nice would it be if Erik Johnson can take a step forward this year and be brought back up to the ML team. We can conceivably be rid of both Danks and Noesi in a few months and replace them with Rodon and Johnson. Then we just have to hope Quintana gets his act together but this rotation would still be light years better than what it currently is.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 20, 2015, 10:41:48 pm
(UPTOWN CHARLOTTE, NC) - Carlos Sanchez -- the International League's leader in batting average with an impressive .485 mark -- was named as the IL Player of the Week for the period of April 13-19, as announced by the International League of Professional Baseball this morning. Sanchez, who began the season in Chicago with the White Sox, has hit safely in all seven games he's played in this season with the Charlotte Knights.
A native of Maracay, VE, Sanchez appeared in six games for the Knights last week and hit a stunning .536 (15-for-28) with six runs scored, four doubles, six RBIs, and one stolen base. The 22-year-old slick-fielding infielder is currently tied for second overall in the IL in hits (16), ranked third in on-base percentage (.500), and fourth in slugging percentage (.606).
Originally signed by the Chicago White Sox as a free agent on May 6, 2009, Sanchez owns a career .287 batting average over seven Minor League seasons (504 games). He hit .293 (128-for-437) with 60 runs scored, 19 doubles, six triples, seven home runs, and 57 RBIs for the Knights last season in 110 games. He led the 2014 Knights in triples and stolen bases (16).
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Post by: msf on April 21, 2015, 07:17:39 am
He has been a hitting machine.
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Post by: msf on April 21, 2015, 07:19:39 am
We also had the pitchers of the week in the Carolina League (James Dykstra threw a no-no) and in the Sally League (Jordan Guerrero, a LH, has been dominant).
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Post by: Shoeless on April 30, 2015, 10:14:44 am
any good news on the Farm?
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Post by: msf on April 30, 2015, 10:41:09 am
Best start for the org down there in years. 2 over .500 now, after a slow start. Pitching carrying the org thus far, but some guys are hitting.
Danish is 3-0 in AA at Birmingham and an ERA in the upper 2's. Dykstra is 3-0 at Winston-Salem with a real good ERA, has a no-hitter as well. He did leave with a back spasm in his last start.
Charlotte is getting good bullpen work from guys like Cleto and Phillips. Asencio has 6 or 7 saves. He would be my first addition to the club tho it would mean opening up a 40-man slot. Erik Johnson is doing very well, as good as two years ago thus far. Kyle Drabek had a nice first start and goes again tonight.
Trayce Thompson is hitting even tho he is K'ing way too much. Mitchell should be released, he stinks. Coats promoted to AAA and hitting well. Might be our best hitter other than Tim Anderson. Coats plays corner outfield.
Tim Anderson is doing well, but not walking. 3 errors thus far, not horrible for a kid. Sanchez is settling down, he was over .400 but low .300s now.
Montas was doing so-so at AA, has not pitched in 10 days and no one is talking. Not on DL or anything like that. Wierd.
Jace Fry, the LHP we drafted last year out of Oregon State, leaped to W-S to start the year and is doing real well.
Jordan Guerrero, we took him back in 2012 out of a California HS and have brought along slowly. He is a LHP and doing very, very well at Kannapolis. He and Andre Wheeler, another LHP, have potential.
Matt Davidson, the 3B dude we got for Addison Reed, is recovering from his horrible past year. He had 2 2Bs and a HR and 6 RBI the other night. Hitting about .260 with power. I had written him off, but he has a chance again.
Courtney Hawkins showing power at AA but struggling with average and the Ks. Not likely to pan out.
Jacob May, a very fast CF and son of former big leaguer Lee May, is over .300 at Birmingham and replaced Anderson as leadoff hitter. Anderson went to the 2-hole.
Adam Engel, another very, very fast and athletic CF is doing real well at Winston-Salem. Over .300 and stealing lots of bases. They compare this kid physically to Mike Trout, but he has not shown much power. Seems to be hitting more extra base hits this year. I like his potential.
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Post by: Shoeless on April 30, 2015, 03:03:35 pm
Good stuff MSF. keep it coming
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Post by: msf on April 30, 2015, 03:32:51 pm
oh I plan to
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Post by: BlackSox on May 03, 2015, 10:10:30 am
Thanks MSF
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2015, 04:43:15 pm
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/10026/10026-431990Fr.jpg) (http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/72767/72767-311Fr.jpg) Jared Mitchell - he gone! Released to make way for the signing of Tyler Colvin:
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 05, 2015, 03:43:04 pm
(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/8/4/6/122248846/cuts/Carlos_Sanchez_kmnaw6g9_bv3clcyd.jpg) Sanchez Wins IL Batter of the Week Charlotte Infielder Earns Second Award This Season
(UPTOWN CHARLOTTE, NC) - Carlos Sanchez -- who is currently leading the International League with an impressive .407 batting average through 20 games -- was named as the IL Batter of the Week for the period of April 27-May3, as announced by the International League of Professional Baseball Clubs, Inc. this morning. Sanchez earns the IL honor for the second time already this season. He was named IL Batter of the Week for the period ending April 13-19 after hitting .536 over that six-game stretch.
A native of Maracay, VE, Sanchez had a remarkable week at BB&T Ballpark during the team's seven-game homestand. He hit .484 (15-for-31) with seven runs scored, five doubles, two home runs, seven RBIs, and three stolen bases (seven games). On Friday, he went a perfect 5-for-5 at the plate -- becoming the first Knights player to accomplish that feat since Ray Olmedo did so on July 17, 2012. A night later, he went a perfect 4-for-4 with two home runs (one from each side of the plate) and a career-high seven RBIs. Sanchez reached base in 10-straight plate appearances and had a hit in nine-straight over the course of that two-day span.
The 22-year-old slick-fielding infielder is currently first in batting average (.407), first in hits (37), first in total bases (53), tied for first in doubles (10), tied for first in extra-base hits (12), and fourth in slugging percentage (.582). He has hit safely in 18 of 20 games he's played in this season with the Charlotte Knights.
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Post by: msf on May 07, 2015, 03:44:31 pm
The Birmingham Barons, our AA team, was down 6-0 after 7 and scored 4 in the 9th and 3 in 9th to take a 7-6 lead, but Johnny Field hit a 2-run double for the game winner in the bottom of the 9th. Tough loss to a kid we all sort of know.
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Post by: msf on May 11, 2015, 10:57:02 am
Drabek starts tonight for Charlotte, against Mr Ed, er I mean Dylan Axelrod.
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Post by: msf on May 11, 2015, 11:05:20 am
This ex Olympic skater, Eddy Alvarez, is turning into quite the ballplayer. They already have him in Kannapolis, and he is old for the league, but experience-wise it is appropriate. He has walked 3 more times already today and in 29 games has 21 walks and 25 Ks. He is hitting .318 after his 3 walks and hit in first 4 ABs today. He has scored 20 times and has 16 RBI from leadoff slot. He has 3 steals today to now give him 10. He is playing well defensively at SS. His OBP is about .450 and he is slugging over .500
We have Anderson and Rondon ahead of him in AA and High A, not sure where he goes from here, but he can play up a level. Maybe move him to 2B or 3B.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 11, 2015, 06:42:04 pm
Hey Dylan, why the long face?
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Post by: msf on May 11, 2015, 07:27:11 pm
This isn't a Royce Ring situation. There is speculation that since he has 4 different MLB caliber pitches he can be converted to a successful #1 or #2 starting pitcher. If they take him at 1.8 (or if he's drafted earlier) it's because the team thinks he'll can easily make the transition.
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Post by: msf on May 16, 2015, 07:13:15 am
This isn't a Royce Ring situation. There is speculation that since he has 4 different MLB caliber pitches he can be converted to a successful #1 or #2 starting pitcher. If they take him at 1.8 (or if he's drafted earlier) it's because the team thinks he'll can easily make the transition.
I like the kid, but I do not want to spend the 8th pick in the draft on him.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 16, 2015, 02:14:58 pm
Was Donn Pall the last Illini player drafted by the White Sox? IIRC, Pall was drafted somewhere in rounds 20-25.
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Post by: msf on May 16, 2015, 03:59:10 pm
No, we took a guy who had been a QB on Illini Football team. Lavery I think was his name.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 16, 2015, 04:29:03 pm
No, we took a guy who had been a QB on Illini Football team. Lavery I think was his name.
Tim Lavery? He was drafted in 1999 by the team on the nort'side.
I just looked it up and Donn Pall was the last Illini player drafted by the White Sox. The highest regular June draftee was John Ericks who the Cardinals took at 1.22 in 1988. He was a bust for the Cards and they released him 4 years after he was drafted and before he reached the majors. The Pirates signed him and he eventually had three mediocre seasons for them on the major league level in the late '90s.
Not too many former Illini ever performed well in MLB, There's HOFer Lou Boudreau and Kenny Holtzman and a few 'good' players like Darrin Fletcherm Tom Haller, Hoot Evers and Scott Spiezio. Otherwise a whole lot of mediocre and disappointments:
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Post by: msf on May 16, 2015, 04:38:26 pm
Lavery did pitch in our system I believe. Yep, the cubs drafted him. My bad there.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2015, 04:10:21 pm
(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/4/8/2/120178482/cuts/johnson_erik_full1_zy384l57_fcv5osqa.jpg) Johnson Deals Knights Past 'Riders 5-2
(MOOSIC, PA) - The Charlotte Knights scored five runs on 12 hits - including a two-run homer by Tyler Colvin - behind a dominant performance by RHP Erik Johnson to win the rubber match against the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders, 5-2, on a chilly morning at PNC Field.
The Knights offense got to work early, tallying three hits in the top of the first inning including a Matt Davidson RBI-single to give Charlotte an early 1-0 lead.
After Matt Tuiasosopo doubled to lead-off the fourth inning, Tyler Colvin extended the advantage to three runs with his first home run in a Knights uniform. Drew Garcia would then single and score on a Jason Coats double to give Charlotte a 4-0 lead. The double extended Coats' hitting streak to 11 games.
The run support was more than enough for Knights starter RHP Erik Johnson (4-3, 3.96), who turned in his best performance of 2015. The former second-round pick (2011) set season-highs with 7.0 innings pitched and 9 strikeouts - one strikeout shy of his career high - while scattering six hits and allowing only one run to earn his fourth win of the season. The nine punch-outs also tied LHP Carlos Rodon for the highest single-game total by a Knights pitcher this season.
Dansby Swanson, SS of Vanderbilt, goes #1 to the D-Backs.
The Astros with the compensation pick for not sign Brady Aiken choose Alex Bregman, SS of LSU, with the #2 pick.
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Post by: Method on June 08, 2015, 06:36:44 pm
Colorado with the best pick so far.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 07:00:15 pm
Carson Fulmer drafted by the White Sox with their only pick tonight. Peter Gammons, the Andrew Jackson look-a-like, loves the pick. Says Fulmer is 'obsessed with being the best and the White Sox get the best college pitcher two years in a row"
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 08, 2015, 11:23:38 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHBzhb2VIAII6UW.jpg)
Day one of the draft is over. Only 1,141 picks to go.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 08, 2015, 11:34:44 pm
Carson Fulmer drafted by the White Sox
He just threw 120 pitches in a blowout against the Illini the other day.
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Post by: josephc on June 09, 2015, 05:59:29 am
A powerful right arm out of Vanderbilt? What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by: msf on June 09, 2015, 08:16:19 am
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Post by: SoxRule on June 09, 2015, 08:40:42 am
Fulmer is a great pick and I know you can never have too much pitching and all, but the Sox are sorely lacking some impact hitters in the system. At some point we need to learn how to develop hitters too. As illustrated in the past few years, we haven't had the best track record in trading for hitters.
White Sox get the best college pitcher two years in a row
This is why I'd say it's already getting too late to get back into the race this year so may as well just play for another top 10 draft pick next year. Let's replenish the system as much as possible if the season is already toast.
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Post by: msf on June 09, 2015, 10:31:37 am
Ah, you got me there. Prior only went to Vandy one year, then transferred to USC, so your choice is much better.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 02:35:06 pm
live mlb.com streaming of the draft: http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v134303483/2015-mlb-draft (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/67565098/v134303483/2015-mlb-draft)
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2015, 03:08:17 pm
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Post by: msf on June 09, 2015, 07:08:03 pm
Frankie Montas threw a 7 inning no-hitter vs the Cubs AA farm team earlier today.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2015, 02:21:29 am
Other than Carson Fulmer, I'm not excited by the players the White Sox drafted Monday & Tuesday. Definitely doesn't look very good that only 2 out of the 8 players the White Sox have drafted so far have video and a short blurb on the mlb.com site. Lack of video/write up usually means not highly rated before the draft. And the player not named Fulmer, his video & write up is mostly negative.
White Sox draft Jackson Glines a CF from the University of Michigan. Last time they did that was 20 years ago when they picked Brian Simmons in the 2nd round. Hope Glines succeeds as Simmons turned out to be a bust.
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Post by: msf on June 10, 2015, 07:41:52 am
Glines has a chance, very good with the wood bat in the Cape Cod League. The pitcher from Rice had TJS on his elbow 2 years ago and had a pretty decent year, was real good prior to that. He might come back. But other than that you are correct.
I am hoping that we went cheap from 4-10 so we can have extra money to pay off some hot shot HS kid in a later round.
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Post by: josephc on June 10, 2015, 08:06:54 am
Hopefully you're right.
I'd hate to see us go cheap on draft day again.
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Post by: msf on June 10, 2015, 09:37:41 am
Yep, I am not holding a lot of hope that we spend on a HS kid.
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Post by: msf on June 10, 2015, 01:49:58 pm
When you just know anything at all can go wrong.
Sox playing Cubs in AA again at the Cubs park. A sprinkler went off overnight and flooded the park, but they started the game anyway. Tim Anderson, easily our best offensive prospect, leads off with a walk. A single by hitter #2 has Anderson round 2B, gets a leg injury and barely crawls back to the bag. Game postponed due to poor field conditions. No idea on extent of injury, likely blew out a groin or something. Lets hope not real bad.
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Post by: msf on June 10, 2015, 01:52:25 pm
Baseball America rated the parks. I think Charlotte has the #1 minor league park now, that is the Sox AAA team. The Birmingham park in #1 in the Southern League I believe and the Winston-Salem park is #1 in Carolina League. Kannapolis park is the only one not highly thought of.
Dave will correct me on the Barons rating if my memory is wrong, I tossed the issue the other day. ;D
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2015, 03:07:30 pm
I was looking at the UIC Flames baseball site trying to find some more info on the White Sox 9th round pick (Ryan Hinchley) when I noticed that on their roster is a red shirted sophomore from Bishop Gorman HS in Las Vegas with the last name Field. Clicking on his bio his brother is Johnny Field. Who knew Hunnie's younger son is playing college ball in Chicago?
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Post by: msf on June 10, 2015, 03:09:52 pm
Wow, nice find.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2015, 03:19:25 pm
They're thru 30 rounds and it's somewhat surprising that of the 28 picks of the White Sox, only two of them are high school players. Almost half of them (13 out of 28) are either college seniors or 5th year seniors. That could lead to big $$$ savings on their meager draft signing pool of $5,347,500 (6th lowest in MLB). Hope this means they're planning to break the bank on international signings this year.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2015, 03:37:02 pm
The White Sox first HS pick (6th rounder Corey Zangari) says he was promised an overslot bonus from the White Sox:
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Zangari said he is ready to transition to first base and leave both catching and pitching behind. Armed with a fastball that can touch 98 mph, Zangari lacked control on the mound.
“They pretty much wanted me as a first baseman the whole time,” Zangari said. “I like playing first, and it helps me get off my knees. I’m ready to put pitching behind me. It’ll always be in my back pocket just in case something happens, but for right now I’m going to let it go.”
He said Tuesday the White Sox had planned to take him earlier in the draft, but they needed pitching. Chicago drafted Clemson left-hander Zack Erwin and Rice right-hander Jordan Stephens in the fourth and fifth rounds.
Zangari said he was promised a higher bonus than the sixth round slot but would not reveal the amount.
Drafted a 6'9" 270 lbs. RHP named Taylore Cherry in the 32nd round from UNC. He's not listed on the 2015 Tar Heel baseball roster. He was listed on their 2013 & 2014 rosters.
Injury? Left school? Ruled academically ineligible? Quit team? Kicked off team?
In the January 2015 Early MLB Draft Rankings he was listed at #180: http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/1/12/7528383/early-2015-mlb-draft-rankings (http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/1/12/7528383/early-2015-mlb-draft-rankings)
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2015, 07:01:23 pm
Looks like the White Sox were all done drafting after round 35 as their last 5 picks were all HS players including Jerry Reinsdorf's grandson with their last pick. Joe Reinsdorf isn't listed on the New Trier HS varsity baseball roster so he might not have ever played on the HS team. What a joke. Round 36 pick has at least a write up but I doubt he's signing a contract. Round 39 pick was a player from their inner city Elite team that will go to college instead of signing this year too.
this link has a comment on each pick: http://www.chicagonow.com/future-sox/2015/06/futuresox-draft-tracker-2015/
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Post by: Method on June 10, 2015, 07:23:18 pm
This draft is just... wow horrible.the white sox have made me jealous of the bleeping astros.... the ASTROS... wow is their draft team, management so much better run then ours... that's including the Aiken/Nix mess-up of last year.
Can we give Robertson/Melky anything else we bought back for a semi reasonable draft?
I just don't get it with the wsox and the draft... this is the one time to get good cost controlled players... the relative cost of a high $$$ draft and a cheap draft is only a few million... the impact is massive... why do we keep doing this ****?
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Post by: msf on June 10, 2015, 08:04:58 pm
I have been complaining about this for years upon years.
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Post by: Method on June 10, 2015, 09:07:50 pm
Its really demoralizing... really really demoralizing.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2015, 09:46:17 pm
Looks like the White Sox were all done drafting after round 351as their last 5 picks were all HS players including Jerry Reinsdorf's grandson with their last pick. Joe Reinsdorf isn't listed on the New Trier HS varsity baseball roster so he might not have ever played on the HS team. What a joke. Round 36 pick has at least a write up but I doubt he's signing a contract. Round 39 pick was a player from their inner city Elite team that will go to college instead of signing this year too.
Its really demoralizing... really really demoralizing.
Every team in baseball knows the draft is the best way to build a team, yet we continue to ignore it. We get one good pick and we are happy. Cheap, cheap, cheap...
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 12, 2015, 04:58:06 pm
White Sox draft updates:
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Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 4m4 minutes ago #WhiteSox fourth-rounder Zack Erwin has also signed. Of their 38 picks, Sox have signed 26, including 14 of first 15.
Note on above tweet: Only player not signed of the first 15 picks is Carson Fulmer. His team is still competing in the CWS so he can't/won't sign until Vanderbilt season is over.
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Chris Cotillo @ChrisCotillo 42s42 seconds ago
#WhiteSox sign 5th-rdr. Jordan Stephens (142) for $300K + $50K in scholarship money. Under slot by $80.4K.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 12, 2015, 05:03:07 pm
(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/9b59e64ab1deebd509ffbc45e712b9194843a73c/c=238-0-3362-2343&r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/Nashville/2015/02/10/B9316197208Z.1_20150210181743_000_G0T9U1JTU.1-0.jpg) Notes from the Carson Fulmer conference call
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Post by: ISF on June 16, 2015, 12:17:49 pm
A little more:
White Sox fourth-rounder Zack Erwin will receive a slot bonus of $508K, Callis reports. The Clemson lefty was the 117th name on BA’s list, calling him a good athlete with the potential to harness three above-average offerings. Chicago also agreed to terms with sixth-round pick Corey Zangari, a power righty, for $510K, Callis adds. He works in the upper nineties when he’s on, per BA, but is inconsistent. He also has some promise as a hitter, though he likely won’t be able to catch (as he has as an amateur) and would profile as a first baseman.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 20, 2015, 12:41:04 am
Heh. Never was much of a fan of her work.
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Post by: josephc on June 23, 2015, 11:00:50 am
Any updates on Tim Anderson's status?
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Post by: Method on June 23, 2015, 11:06:21 am
yea. he sucks.
6 to 1 K to BB rate in AA.
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Post by: msf on June 23, 2015, 12:15:00 pm
Hitting around .300, just started getting more doubles lately to improve his SLG percentage. Stealing lots of bases, making some errors (not horrible, not great). Walking more his last 100 ABs than his first 100.
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Post by: josephc on June 23, 2015, 12:48:12 pm
So not injured?
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Post by: msf on June 23, 2015, 02:14:16 pm
No, he missed a couple games with that injury, just a groin or something.
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Post by: msf on June 24, 2015, 09:32:15 am
Time for an update on the former Olympic speed skater we have playing SS at Kannapolis.
Eddy Alvarez went 1-2 in the SALLY League All-Star game last night, he played 2B I think (did not start).
He continues to get on base heavily, stealing lots of bases, however, his defense has been shaky (not that rare at this level).
Hitting .293 in 250 or so at bats. 17 doubles, 4 triples, 2 HRs, 47 runs scored, 32 RBI (that is a lot for a leadoff man), .417 OBP and .419 SLG to give a very respectable .836 OPS. 28 for 34 in steals. 52 walks to 53 Ks (I love this). 20 errors on defense thus far.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 24, 2015, 04:00:30 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIO9roLUMAAOhH1.jpg)
White Sox prospect Tim Anderson captures All-Star Game MVP
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Post by: msf on June 27, 2015, 07:00:58 am
Erik Johnson shut down the Twins AAA farm team (with Aaron Hicks and Osvaldo Arcia in the lineup) to win 3-1. His ERA is now down to 2.78 and striking out more than a batter per inning. He has really come back around to a potential starter. Aaron Albers with a shut out inning in relief.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 27, 2015, 01:09:49 pm
Erik Johnson shut down the Twins AAA farm team (with Aaron Hicks and Osvaldo Arcia in the lineup) to win 3-1. His ERA is now down to 2.78 and striking out more than a batter per inning. He has really come back around to a potential starter. Aaron Albers with a shut out inning in relief.
It's Matt Albers not Aaron.
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Post by: msf on June 27, 2015, 02:02:21 pm
Oops
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Post by: BlackSox on June 30, 2015, 05:09:17 pm
Good news about EJ.
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Post by: msf on June 30, 2015, 05:47:02 pm
You got Dave23 all excited. He thought it meant the Cubs found a sucker to take Edwin Jackson off their hands. ;D
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Post by: BlackSox on June 30, 2015, 10:05:12 pm
How 'bout that Chris Curley! Heh.
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Post by: msf on July 02, 2015, 08:58:43 am
Sox have spent 2M of their allotted 3.4M (or something close to that) on two players thus far. Franklin Reyes is an OF with lots of power, but he has the lowest speed rating I have ever seen, it is laughable, like 25 out of 70. They also say he has no range in the field. Cripes. He got 1.2M. Fernando Tatis Jr is a SS with little power. Expected to move to OF or 2B. His father was a ballplayer. Heady type. He got 700K.
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Post by: msf on July 02, 2015, 09:00:14 am
Meanwhile the Dodgers got one kid for 16M, and several others for 2M apiece and are on others. They, like many other teams, will go way over slot and take the meaningless penalty. Of course the Sox would never go over a limitation would they.
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Post by: SoxRule on July 02, 2015, 09:29:24 am
Franklin Reyes is an OF with lots of power, but he has the lowest speed rating I have ever seen, it is laughable, like 25 out of 70. They also say he has no range in the field.
So he's an eventual DH?
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 02, 2015, 10:16:33 am
The White Sox are adding a slick-fielding son of a former Major League player and power-hitting outfielder to their system.
According to industry sources, the White Sox agreed to an $825,000 signing bonus with shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr., ranked No. 27 on MLB.com's Top 30 International Prospects list, and a $1.5 million bonus with outfielder Franklin Reyes, ranked No. 30. The club did not confirm the agreements.
In accordance with the Collective Bargaining Agreement, each team is allotted a $700,000 base and a bonus pool with four slot values based on the team's record in 2014 for the international signing period, which started on Thursday. Chicago's overall pool total for this year's signing period is $3,443,000.
The son of former Major League infielder Fernando Tatis, Tatis Jr. has a strong arm and fluid actions on defense. The right-handed hitter has displayed raw power to his pull side and has a knack for barreling up the ball. What's more, his repeatable swing has impressed evaluators. On defense, he could end up at second base or third base.
Scouts like Tatis Jr.'s makeup and mature attitude.
The younger brother of Franmil Reyes, who plays in the San Diego Padres organization, the 6-foot-3, 235-pound Franklin has shown raw power and a plus arm in showcases and games. He profiles as a right fielder and could end up at that position.
Reyes has a big body and big potential.
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Post by: msf on July 02, 2015, 11:52:06 am
Much more upbeat than what I have read
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 03, 2015, 06:40:02 pm
(http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv23/K_M_A_2/CWS/CFulmerCWS_zpscljvq93p.png) First-round pick Carson Fulmer signs with the White Sox for his full slot value of $3,470,600
North Carolina State infielder Logan Ratledge discovered the full extent of it, however, particularly for a college senior going through the current draft system.
Seniors have always been considered budget-minded draft picks because they have no amateur leverage left; it’s pro ball or nothing. But they have become essential commodities under the new draft rules, a way for teams to stretch their draft signing budgets. Signing a senior for $5,000 when his draft slot is valued at, say, $160,000, yields a savings of $155,000 that can be applied elsewhere. And the savings add up with more seniors.
A few clubs took this approach in 2012, the first draft held under the new rules. The process has been refined since then and many more clubs have adopted it, especially when they draft players considered tough signs higher in the draft.
Seniors know the system, but even if they’ve been drafted before, it’s hard to be prepared for the process. It’s a process that sees the players simply as assets, and as a result, the players are often treated poorly.
Coming off a fall shoulder injury, Ratledge had controlled his controllables all spring. Two-thirds of the way through the season the 5-foot-11, 192-pounder moved over from second base to shortstop, defending capably and helping push the Wolfpack to a strong finish.
He finished the year batting .329/.431/.558 with 10 homers and 11 stolen bases, leading the team in all those categories.
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Post by: msf on July 07, 2015, 09:32:53 am
Minor League update
The org is +8, which for the Sox is really good. I think the Twins are better than +50 so keep it in perspective.
Charlotte is 11 games over .500 and 1/2 game out of 1st in AAA. They do not have split season champs like the other levels in minors. Davidson still Ks too much, but he has walked over 40 times and has a knack for RBIs. Johnson has hit about .300 since being sent down and is stealing some bases. Not sure how his defense at 2B has been. Saladino at SS is only hitting .250, but I like him, seems to get lots of RBIs and steals a lot of bases. Leury Garcia is still hitting well, but we know about him, ugh. Trayce Thompson has reduced his Ks but his average is starting to tumble.
The Knights are winning mostly due to SPs and Relievers. Drabek has been pretty good, not getting wins, but he has ERA under 3.00. Brad Penny is doing ok, but not striking out anyone. Erik Johnson has been real good. Beck is on DL, not arm related if I recall correctly. Their pen has been awesome. Phillips is closing the most, made the AS team (he is a LH). Cleto has been good, still gets wild tho. Albers has been real good in his 7 innings (he appears ready to return to the Sox).
Birmingham is +3 for the year, but 8-2 in 2nd half and in 1st place. Again, pitching is the best part of this team. Montas has been really good when he has been healthy, 1 no-hitter and plenty of other dominating starts. He just needs to get in shape. A kid we got from Orioles for De Aza has been pretty good at AA. Mark Blackmar and he is RH starter. ERA about 3.30. The other kid we got in the trade, Miguel Chalas, has been solid at Birm and since promotion to Charlotte. Myles Jaye has been real good, we got him in a Toronto trade with Webb a couple years ago. I am not sold on Jaye however. Tyler Danish is only 20, young for AA. He has been good and bad. ERA about 4.40 and has been hit around more of late. In the pen, the Wendelken kid they got with Montas and Avisail Garcia for Peavy has been real tough out of the pen. They started him last year to let him get some innings in, this year he has done real well out of the pen.
Jacob May was playing CF and hitting .300 but has been out a month or more now. Not sure what his ailment is. He is not due back for a couple more weeks either. Hawkins is hitting around .250 and has shown ability to drive in runs. Anderson at SS is the real deal. Scouts impressed with his D this year and he is hitting over .300 now and starting to show extra base power. Tons of steals as well. A sleeper for me is their 1Bman, Danny Hayes, who we drafted out of Oregon 2 years ago. Guy just gets on base via hits or walks. No power, but might be type of player where it will come around.
Winston-Salem is -7 overall, but 6-5 in 2nd half and sitting in 1st place. Jake Peter, a 2Bman we drafted out of Nebraska 2 years ago, is doing very well. Hitting 2nd in lineup and getting lots of big RBIs and doing all the little things. Trey Michalczewski, a 3B, started well, was hurt a bit and been slumping of late. CF Adam Engel is who I thought will be a good big leaguer, but his average is now down to .239. Too bad, physically compared to Trout. He has 30 steals and some pop in his bat and is supposed to be a great outfielder.
Pitching at W-S, hmmm. Dykstra, meh. Heidenreich, 2nd time around with us, doing well, but old for this league. Jace Fry was doing pretty good, but he is undergoing his 2nd Tommy John surgery. Jake Cose is an arm I like. He has returned from missing all last year and seems to be doing pretty well. Jordan Guerrero is a young LH who was lights out in Kanny, but been hit some since promotion. A young HS draftee that we are moving up slowly.
Kannapolis is -2 on the year, but 4-7 in 2nd half making them the only team not about .500 since mid year. Alvarez, the SS, is hitting .289 and has 37 steals and just seems to keep playing well. Errors are adding up, but he is in first full season of baseball in years. He is the only guy worth discussing on this offense. Rodon's catcher, Austin, started hot but down around .230ish.
Thad Lowry has been a pleasant surprise for Kanny. A HS catcher we drafted to pitch and he is having a real nice season. Spencer Adams, the HS pitcher we took after Rodon, is also very solid thus far. In the pen is a kid named Trexler whom the Sox like for his arm. He has been so-so, something dominant out of the pen, other times gets hit hard. Hopefully working on other pitches when getting hit.
Great Falls is in first place after 15 games. Jake Jarvis, a young 2B, has been good. CF Frank Califano, a draftee this year, leads off and gets on base and is supposed to be very fast.
Arizona is also in 1st place after a dozen or more games. Lots of Latinos whom we have signed the past couple years are there and appear to be doing ok.
Even our Dominican Summer League team is doing better this year.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 08, 2015, 11:16:52 pm
Most excellent summary; thanks MSF!
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Post by: Shoeless on July 09, 2015, 09:59:44 pm
Where does keith law rank the system?
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Post by: msf on July 13, 2015, 06:42:34 pm
Nate Jones pitched a scoreless inning last Friday in the Winston-Salem game, allowed a hit. Started for W-S tonight, went 1 inning, same result, just a hit allowed. Baby steps.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 14, 2015, 09:39:08 am
Cool. I almost forgot about him.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 14, 2015, 09:46:46 am
Looks like Kyle Drabek is doing well at AAA. I forgot Brad penny was there -- his ERA is under 4.
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Post by: msf on July 14, 2015, 11:44:52 am
Yes, both Penny and Drabek doing well. Not dominant like Erik Johnson however. Zach Phillips is a good LH reliever thus far, taken over closing.
All the levels have had tremendous pitching of late. We are like 15 games over .500 now, and were below .500 not that long ago.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 14, 2015, 01:21:21 pm
How 'bout that Myles Jaye?
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Post by: msf on July 14, 2015, 01:27:18 pm
Not sure what to think of him. I gave him no chance at all going into this season. Maybe its his name, but I did not like him. He seems to be proving me wrong, although this is year 2 in AA.
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Post by: 4nek8 on July 15, 2015, 09:07:06 pm
That's an easy name not to like, IMO, msf... :-)
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Post by: BlackSox on July 15, 2015, 09:22:36 pm
Maybe its his name, but I did not like him.
Heh, now I am totally rooting for him to make it. My guy!
Though i agree... "Myles"?
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Post by: aka Loveland on July 15, 2015, 10:13:23 pm
Myles Standish was one of passengers on the Mayflower and served as a leader in Plymouth Colony. I think it is a fine English name.
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Post by: msf on July 16, 2015, 06:33:04 am
I absolutely hate the name Myles. Played city league basketball against a chode named Myles, we did not get along on the court.
His last name is just fine.
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Post by: msf on July 16, 2015, 06:35:43 am
Myles Standish was one of passengers on the Mayflower and served as a leader in Plymouth Colony. I think it is a fine English name.
Myles Standish was a name in an REM song as well. Being English does not help him much in my opinion, freaking limey.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 16, 2015, 07:11:06 am
I thought Mr. Standish spelled his first name "Miles"... shows what I know...
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Post by: msf on July 16, 2015, 07:31:18 am
He probably did. Still sucks for a name however, heh
I can still picture the Myles (Miles) I knew, as he guarded me with his beady eyes. What a wierdo!!
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Post by: msf on July 16, 2015, 07:34:57 am
Oh, and I hold a lot of respect for other folks named Myles, like Miles Davis the musician.
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Post by: msf on July 16, 2015, 09:23:50 am
Interesting post from FutureSox
Tim Anderson is #44 on Keith Law's top 50 prospects list:
44. Tim Anderson, SS Age: 22 | B/T: R/R | Height: 6-1 | Weight: 185 Currently at: Double-A (Birmingham)
It's the Shawon Dunston starter kit: not quite Dunston's arm strength (which might be the best ever for a major league shortstop), but similar range, quickness, bat control, foot speed … and reluctance to take a walk. Anderson came into pro ball with less baseball experience than most players, and he's actually a little more patient already than Dunston ever was, so the comparison isn't totally fair to Anderson. But it does give you a rough idea of what kind of player Anderson can be even if he doesn't make any significant improvements.
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Post by: ISF on July 16, 2015, 10:46:38 am
Montas being called up for Friday.
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Post by: PeteWard on July 16, 2015, 04:28:39 pm
All Mi(y)les are inherently unlikable:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0144197/?ref_=tt_cl_t4
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Post by: msf on July 17, 2015, 08:33:31 am
ok, you got me there. I read entire bio on Jack Cassidy and searched for Miles and Myles, finding neither for any of his roles. What am I missing?
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Post by: PeteWard on July 17, 2015, 01:14:52 pm
Check his filmography. He played the unlikable and dastardly Miles Mellough in the Eiger Sanction.
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Post by: msf on July 17, 2015, 02:42:12 pm
So much for my search on that page, I have even seen that movie a couple times, too long ago to recall him however.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 17, 2015, 04:23:34 pm
MSF...Jacob Morris?
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Post by: msf on July 17, 2015, 05:01:25 pm
He was an OF the first couple years, quite a bit of power but struck out a lot (don't all our prospects, christ) and had trouble hitting .240.
He converted to being a pitcher and has pitched all year with Kannapolis, quite a tough league to start out in. He has done more than well, and if you could remove about 3-4 appearances he would likely have an era under 2. He and another reliever at Kannapolis, Brad Salgado who was a SS for 2 years, are both doing very well in their first full seasons as pitchers (might be Salgado's 2nd season).
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Post by: WshflThinking on July 19, 2015, 02:48:04 pm
So how long does Montas last before being sent back down? I have missed a lot of action but haven't heard of him even pitching in Chicago
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Post by: msf on July 19, 2015, 03:17:21 pm
He lasted 1 day, that is all he was called up for. Since we had a DH, we got a free 26th man for the day and we called him up in case Danks got hammered and we needed long relief.
He is starting for Birmingham in a game that just started a bit ago.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 19, 2015, 09:15:33 pm
Birm won 11-3. Montas 5 innings, 2 hits , 1 walk 8 Ks. Can Delmonico play? 3b
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2015, 07:53:12 am
Delmonico may be able to play 3B, although his D is not supposed to be good. I have not noticed problems with errors, but maybe he does not get to anything. He has to be doing ok, the way Birmingham is ripping up the league of late, he has to be doing his part.
Wait til they get their CF May back, he just started rehab in rookie league with Zona Sox. He missed over a month or 2 with concussion problems after he and Anderson (SS) had a collision.
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Post by: josephc on July 20, 2015, 08:08:19 am
Concussions suck. Could be out for awhile.
I had one back in April and still haven't felt right.
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2015, 08:26:10 am
I really had no idea that a concussion could knock a guy out of the lineup for months. Sure, a guy like Morneau who had several and had them as a youngster too I believe. So it is much more of a problem than I knew.
How did you get concussed?
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Post by: josephc on July 20, 2015, 08:36:28 am
Playing pickup hockey.
Just an inadvertent collision... but I never saw the guy, whereas he saw me at the last second. Ended up smacking the back of my head against the ice.
I still get headaches if I overexert myself or get extremely stressed out. I'm also on meds for it - those help, but the side effects ("blah"-ness) suck as well.
The more you've had, the more susceptible you are, and the longer the recovery (typically), so yeah - guys like Morneau will be more prone to longer recovery times. I would venture to guess that May likely has had a couple in the past.
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2015, 09:06:15 am
Thanks for the info compadre.
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Post by: josephc on July 20, 2015, 09:14:42 am
Yep.
That said, you could be out for an extended period on your first concussion as well. I've had to go through a lot of concussion recognition training through USA Hockey and the Michigan governing body for hockey. Per Michigan law as a coach, I'm held criminally liable if I suspect a player has suffered a concussion and I let him/her participate without a written doctor's note.
They are now training us all that the recovery time for a concussion is "2 weeks to never."
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2015, 09:22:57 am
Jeesh
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Post by: Shoeless on July 20, 2015, 09:55:20 am
I had a bad one in HS. They found me walking the halls after a guy cold cocked me. Hit me side of the head then I hit the wall. I did the old pull the chair out when he was sitting down at lunch. Guess it pissed him off.
Never been the same since. you guys can attest to that.
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2015, 10:33:07 am
Wondered how you got that head injury, knew you could not have been born that way, hideous.
;D
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2015, 02:08:17 pm
Spencer Adams, the 19 year old 2nd round choice from last year, was promoted to Winston-Salem and threw shutout ball for 6 inning of a 7 inning DH game (thus he was called up for one start and went right back to Kanny). 4 Ks, 1 BB and 3 hits allowed.
He is 6-4 at Kanny with 3.43 ERA and 50 Ks and 10 BBs in 76 innings.
So far so good. Thad Lowry is another youngster in the Kanny rotation. HS Catcher that we took as a pitcher (he threw some in Texas HS). I think 4th or 5th round last year. He won today to go to 10-5 with a 3.92 ERA.
Yency Almonte (we got from Angels for Beckham) appears to have a nice arm too, giving them 3 good young arms in rotation to go with Heinenreich and Brennan, the vets.
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2015, 02:59:53 pm
Cripes, I mixed up Heidenreich and Brennan as Kanny pitcher, they are both with W-S. There are no veteran starters at Kanny, heh.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 20, 2015, 04:32:06 pm
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Post by: Method on August 01, 2015, 10:34:54 pm
Why do they do this ish to me???
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Post by: aka Loveland on August 01, 2015, 10:37:10 pm
Hahaa!! I so agree. Good gracious we are going to have to see him in September. Gag
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Post by: msf on August 02, 2015, 07:48:01 am
So now we have Viciedo and Avisail, twins!! (at least Avisail robs a homer now and then I suppose)
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Post by: BillSharp on August 19, 2015, 04:49:14 pm
don't want to be a wet blanket, but beware the good starts of Saladino and Thompson.
Thompson's minor league batting average is .241, his best year was this year when he hit .260 at AAA.
Saladino's minor league average is .261. He hit .255 at AAA this year.
Good news:
Erik Johnson won again last night, he's ready to come back to the majors, hope to see him in September. His only weakness I can see in his numbers is his walk rate is a bit high.
Catcher Rob Brantley we picked up on waivers last winter. Interesting player, 3rd round draft pick got to the majors quickly for Miami in 2012 & 2013. He's hit for average at AA & AAA - well over .300, but lacks power. I expect the Sox to give him a chance next year. Should be a September call up as he's already on the 40 man roster.
Until this year I thought catcher Kevan Smith was a prospect. Minor league average .290, but he's only hit .259 at AAA this year.
Davidson is hitting .207. He's a wasted spot on the 40 roster. What a terrible trade.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 19, 2015, 04:59:46 pm
By the way, I agree with Min, put Micah Johnson in as the DH, he & J. B. are the best hitters we have for that spot. No point in playing LaRoche.
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Post by: msf on August 19, 2015, 05:49:41 pm
I like Brantly. Tampa Bay was very high on him but he got hurt or something. He tore up AA, is doing well in AAA. He should be our starter next year if we fail to sign a FA or trade for a Catcher.
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Post by: msf on August 19, 2015, 05:52:44 pm
don't want to be a wet blanket, but beware the good starts of Saladino and Thompson.
Thompson's minor league batting average is .241, his best year was this year when he hit .260 at AAA.
Saladino's minor league average is .261. He hit .255 at AAA this year.
Good news:
Erik Johnson won again last night, he's ready to come back to the majors, hope to see him in September. His only weakness I can see in his numbers is his walk rate is a bit high.
Catcher Rob Brantley we picked up on waivers last winter. Interesting player, 3rd round draft pick got to the majors quickly for Miami in 2012 & 2013. He's hit for average at AA & AAA - well over .300, but lacks power. I expect the Sox to give him a chance next year. Should be a September call up as he's already on the 40 man roster.
Until this year I thought catcher Kevan Smith was a prospect. Minor league average .290, but he's only hit .259 at AAA this year.
Davidson is hitting .207. He's a wasted spot on the 40 roster. What a terrible trade.
Agree on Davidson, agree on Thompson (no way he just "got it" this year) but I think Saladino has a chance, mainly due to being a contact hitter and not a swing and miss kind of guy. He might be able to be a decent hitter, and his OBP should improve with experience. It always has.
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Post by: BlackSox on August 20, 2015, 12:46:47 am
Thanks to Craig Wilson, I pretty much always beware good starts by schmoes.
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Post by: ISF on August 20, 2015, 08:19:00 pm
DBacks designated Reed, so it's not like we gave up anything for Davidson.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 21, 2015, 12:48:38 am
DBacks designated Reed, so it's not like we gave up anything for Davidson.
You can probably claim theWhite Sox actually got the better of that trade since the D-Backs ended up paying Addison Reed $5.4 million over two seasons while Davidson is making minor league money (around $65K @ year for being on the 40-man roster but with no MLB service time). Also Davidson's 'suckiness' has been in Charlotte while Reed stunk up the joint in the majors.
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Post by: msf on August 21, 2015, 07:09:09 am
Does not matter, we COULD have gotten something better for him. Davidson did win best glove for 3B in Charlotte, but he was supposed to be a hitter without much D. Turned out the opposite is true.
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Post by: josephc on August 21, 2015, 07:24:08 am
Andy's "History" notes today made me look up Yency Almonte, the kid we got back in February as the PTBNL in the Beckham deal last August.
Seems to be doing pretty well in our system. Combined 3.63 ERA between Kannapolis and Winston-Salem in 119 innings (mostly as a starter).
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Post by: msf on August 21, 2015, 07:31:03 am
He has steadily improved as the year has gone on as well.
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Post by: josephc on August 21, 2015, 07:42:59 am
More evidence that this org., for whatever reason, is really good at developing pitching talent.
Hitters? Not at all.
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Post by: msf on August 21, 2015, 08:45:05 am
I know that they try to keep their pitching coaches together with good minor league contracts. Guys like Hassler, Dotson, and now Thiggy have been around a long time. Then there was the one that the Bosox hired away from us, he was supposed to be the best, Nieves or something like that.
Hitting coaches? Seems they do not do the same. KW just has the wrong philosophy and he was too stubborn to change when the other GMs started looking more for contact and OBP (ballplayers) rather than just a great athlete who could hit the ball a long way.
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Post by: josephc on August 21, 2015, 09:46:29 am
Yeah... It's all about OBP. Higher OBP --> fewer outs given away --> more opportunities to score runs. It's not rocket surgery.
I've always said to combine the "big data" analysis with the scouting "eye test," and get a complete picture of the player you're looking to draft or develop. Rather than just relying on the "eye test," why not use both? Identify an area where he's struggling (for example, a lot of pop flies to the opposite way leading to low BABIP), and give that information to the hitting coach to help correct an approach or tweak mechanics.
Yes - a lot of the things that can be identified by stats can be ID'd using the "eye test," but sometimes you're so focused on looking for one thing that you miss the bigger picture of what a player's doing.
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Post by: josephc on August 21, 2015, 09:50:56 am
What I don't understand, though, is how hitters who come to our org. suddenly lose their ability to hit an f'ing baseball.
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Post by: Method on August 21, 2015, 09:53:26 am
Yeah... It's all about OBP. Higher OBP --> fewer outs given away --> more opportunities to score runs. It's not rocket surgery.
That brings up a fun antidote from work... my boss is a bit older (82) and often says "its not rocket science or brain surgery" some of the younger folks in the office complained to HR that its demeaning...
so he's been walking around telling folks "its so easy a dumb ass can do it"
i cant wait to be old, its going to be epic.
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Post by: msf on August 21, 2015, 11:33:24 am
It's not so bad.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 21, 2015, 01:35:41 pm
Yeah... It's all about OBP. Higher OBP --> fewer outs given away --> more opportunities to score runs. It's not rocket surgery.
That brings up a fun antidote from work... my boss is a bit older (82) and often says "its not rocket science or brain surgery" some of the younger folks in the office complained to HR that its demeaning...
so he's been walking around telling folks "its so easy a dumb ass can do it"
i cant wait to be old, its going to be epic.
Ask any teen, college student or anyone age 25 or under, you're already OLD method. 82 and still working? Unless he owns the company, doesn't he know he's depriving a recent college grad of meaningful employment and the people under him from advancement?
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Post by: Method on August 21, 2015, 01:47:10 pm
he is our Executive VP... he does not own the company... but he made our owner a LOT of money over the last 30 years... as such our owner (who is himself 71 years old) gives him a lot of latitude in what he does. Plus he's somewhat of a legend in our field.
He also continues to make well into 7 figures annually now... why retire? He is the kid of person that will probably pass away at his desk... or if he is forced to retire his health will fall off drastically. I think working is keeping him alive.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 21, 2015, 03:38:07 pm
Jared Mitchell, Keenyn Walker, Courtney Hawkins, Keon Barnum
all throw away 1st round picks. Fields, Borchard. the draft futility goes back a long way.
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Post by: PeteWard on August 21, 2015, 03:50:11 pm
my boss is a bit older (82)
Method trying to make MSF and I feel good
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Post by: msf on August 21, 2015, 04:38:23 pm
I was 2nd oldest in our fishing group of 9. I remember being one of the three youngest back in the day!!
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Post by: BlackSox on August 22, 2015, 03:09:29 pm
People complaining to HR because a guy says "it's not brain surgery or rocket science"? WTF is wrong with those people?
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Post by: dave23 on August 24, 2015, 01:51:54 pm
Further evidence of the ongoing pussification of America...
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Post by: Method on August 24, 2015, 02:44:55 pm
They are all young... very young...
They are somewhat correct... he's a bit of a jerk and does regularly demean his employees...
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Post by: PeteWard on August 24, 2015, 06:50:01 pm
Tell them not to take jobs at Amazon.
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Post by: Method on August 24, 2015, 07:06:20 pm
old people arnt allowed to work there... it might work out better for them.
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Post by: aka Loveland on August 24, 2015, 10:27:15 pm
Currently working on a project with Amazon, and I can believe every word of that NYT piece. There is No One left at Amazon from the sister project that was completed 3-years ago. Every single item has to be explained to them again, and they do seem to work hours and hours to make it happen, but it is a crazy way to ruin a business. With no experts you are constantly paying to relearn the same info. Stupid
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Post by: ISF on August 26, 2015, 06:16:42 pm
The John Mayberry Jr era is over...
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Post by: msf on September 10, 2015, 06:07:27 am
Winston-Salem won game 1 of their best of 3 playoff game in the Carolina League. Beat the Cubs team 4-2. Carson Fulmer started and went 3 (that is the most they have let him go thus far) and a LHP named Clark went the next 5. This Clark kid had a great year. He might be someone to watch.
Mee-how-chess-key hit a 2 run homer in the 1st and Keon Barnum went solo for back-to-back shots.
They play again tonight.
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Post by: msf on September 10, 2015, 08:02:15 pm
Winston-Salem down in the 6th tonight, 3-0 and the Cubs pitcher has a no-hitter going.
Looks like there may be a game 3.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 11, 2015, 02:09:31 am
(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/0/6/4/148600064/cuts/Recap_MW_Thursday_FINAL_cruh724d_itqgbbk5.jpg) Pelicans outlast Dash to force Game 3 in SDCS Winston-Salem plated two in ninth of 4-3 loss at Myrtle Beach
In the SDCS finale, the Dash will send Brandon Brennan (3-4, 3.55 ERA) to the bump against fellow right-hander Jonathan Martinez (9-2, 2.56 ERA). Catch all of the action on wsdash.com/broadcast and the TuneIn App beginning at 6:45 p.m., with first pitch at 7:05 p.m. MiLB.tv will also carry the games with the Myrtle Beach feed and broadcasters.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 12, 2015, 12:42:05 am
Read the article again. About half-way down you'll find:
Quote
Soon, Papiro would stage a tryout with the White Sox at Centro Olympico. The improved Marte dazzled. But Starling’s first buscone, Lucas, heard that Papiro was promoting him to Chicago and arrived at the field, enraged that his player had been stolen.
“The White Sox scout offered me $70,000,” Papiro recalls. “And then almost at the same time, Lucas arrived with a gun.”
As Starling watched in shock, Papiro stood his ground with Lucas, telling him that he had squandered his chance with Marte and to leave the boy alone. No shots were fired, but the White Sox scout pulled his offer and hightailed it out of Centro Olympico.
“I was scared, and I was crying,” Marte says, “because that was my opportunity, and I did not know if I would get another one.”
Papiro believed there would be others. Two weeks later, he set up a tryout with the Pirates’ Rene Gayo. Marte had already played for Gayo four times and not been signed, so, to him, the proposition felt hopeless.
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Post by: msf on November 21, 2015, 06:21:37 pm
Engel wins MVP of the AFL. 1st player to hit over .400, .403, since CJ Cron did it 3-4 years ago. Engel is a CF, very fast and athletic, great arm. Has it all, except for big power. In AFL he walked more than he struck out, that had been his week spot thus far. Walked enough, but struck out a lot. Lets hope it sunk in.
My favorite comparison of him I see all the time is Mike Trout, without the power. But he did show more power this year, hit a lot of gaps and can hit it out.
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Post by: BlackSox on November 23, 2015, 10:20:20 pm
Forget it, his first name is Adam.
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Post by: msf on November 24, 2015, 08:43:37 am
heh, do not like that name eh?
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Post by: BlackSox on December 29, 2015, 02:04:13 pm
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Post by: msf on December 30, 2015, 07:19:04 am
So hard to predict this stuff Blackie. When I was a kid in school I used to do this type of thing during the offseason when I was bored in class.
Take AAA OF for instance, hard for me to believe Hawkins will not be there. Some have him in AA since he was hurt most of the season, but the Sox like to push prospects.
I could rip this guys choices apart, but he likely would be closer than I.
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Post by: BlackSox on January 08, 2016, 03:33:59 pm
With the ink dried on the Ian Desmond signing by the Rangers, the 2016 MLB Draft order is finalized. The White Sox have 3 of the top 50 picks - #10, #26 (Samardzija comp) and #49 - and the 7th highest draft pool total of $9.4166 million:
As long as we don't hear this phrase on draft day, they should do fine:
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Post by: msf on March 03, 2016, 07:04:14 am
Oh man, you hit the nail right on the head.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 03, 2016, 04:21:29 pm
From Today's Game:
Jacob May played well this spring. I imagine he'll be the centerfielder at AAA this year. maybe mn, can give us a run down of the Charlotte roster. (BillSharp)
Ishikawa at 1B, Sanchez at 2B, Anderson at SS, Davidson at 3B. OF would likely be May, Coats and Leury Garcia (or Dan Fields), possibly Hawkins though he has not earned it. Catcher would be Hector Sanchez and Kevan Smith.
Starters likely are Eric Johnson, Beck, Carroll, Turner. Not sure about a 5th, I think Danish would stay down in AA. Maybe Terrance Marin.
Pen would have Kahnle, Aumont, Webb, Blake Smith, Josh Wall and Miguel Chalas. Maybe Peter Tago. (msf)
I read a blurb on SoxNet that Spencer Adams was pitching the opener for Winston-Salem and has been throwing much harder after putting on 20 pounds. 94-96. I am not putting too much pressure on this kid, but am hoping he becomes our Jim Palmer. Great athlete like Palmer was, built like him, rarely walks anyone. Big, big stretch but you gotta dream sometimes. (msf)
Sweet. I was just going to ask you about "a guy to watch". Besides Fulmer.
I'm also curious to see what Zach Erwin and Jordan "Jody" Stephens can do in their first fulls years (both at Kanny?). They both seemed to do well in limited time last year.
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Post by: msf on April 03, 2016, 05:00:34 pm
LOL, we traded Erwin in the Lawrie trade I think.
Stephens could be a guy too. Adams should not really be a surprise, highly thought of 2nd rounder behind Rodon. Folks all thought he was a sure 1st rounder.
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Post by: Method on April 03, 2016, 06:22:01 pm
Dont talk about spencer... lets not jinx it...
Had not read he'd put on 20 lbs... sounds like great news!
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Post by: BlackSox on April 03, 2016, 08:26:15 pm
LOL, we traded Erwin in the Lawrie trade I think.
You are right. Motherfuck, I should have remembered that. I was so devastated by the loss of JB Wendelken, I blacked it out. F Erwin.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 04, 2016, 12:13:30 am
(http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/97895/97895-24685082Fr.jpg) Gonzalez signs Minors deal with White Sox
Miguel Gonzalez's deal does NOT include an opt-out clause (which is usually pretty standard for veterans getting minor league deals)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 10, 2016, 06:56:17 am
3 days in a row of win one and lose 3, the org affiliates are now 3-9 to start the season. Danish looked bad, Fullmer walked 4 in a row and gave up a granny. Pitching has been unsettling up to now down there. Early yet
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 19, 2016, 04:46:13 pm
The White Sox have inked righty John Holdzkom to a minor league deal, as Robert Murray of Baseball Essential reported on Twitter. The towering 28-year-old, a client of the Ballengee Group, was designated for assignment and subsequently released by the Pirates earlier this season. Holdzkom came out of nowhere in 2014 with Pittsburgh, dominating at Triple-A and then allowing just two earned runs on four hits and two walks while striking out 14 opposing batters in nine MLB innings. But he struggled with his control at the highest level of the minors last year while battling through injuries and a loss of velocity. Chicago will hope that Holdzkom can get back on track and re-discover the mid-90s heater that made him such an intriguing independent ball find for the Bucs.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 23, 2016, 12:36:35 pm
MSF, what do you think of Jason Coats?
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Post by: msf on April 23, 2016, 05:51:38 pm
I think he should be up getting the at bats that Avifail is getting. Coats does not walk much, but he is a solid hitter and defender. Can play RF better than average I would guess. One of those solid RBI guys. Does not K a ton, he might K 100 times over a season, but not 200.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 23, 2016, 07:28:39 pm
I think he should be up getting the at bats that Avifail is getting.
That's pretty much what I was thinking when I asked. I'd give Avi two weeks to show me something; if not, cut bait.
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Post by: msf on April 24, 2016, 06:36:24 am
Avi is really bad.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 27, 2016, 09:46:14 am
With Kevan Smith put on the DL, we called up Charlotte's other catcher, Hector Sanchez.
I know one of the guys from AA moved up to Charlotte (Omar Narvaez). But I haven't followed every move. Did both B-ham guys go to Charlotte, both WS guys move up to B-ham, and both Kanny guys move up to W-S? If so, who catches at Kanny, a couple of rookie ball/development guys?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 27, 2016, 06:02:35 pm
The other catcher in AAA was on the DL, and is also an outfielder. He will catch at Charlotte with Narvaez. The guys name is Vinny Rottino, and no, I am not shitting you. Barons have a great pair of names as their two catchers, O'Dowd and Dowdy. They moved an org guy to backup at Win-Sal, O'Connell, and I think Kanny stayed as it was.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 27, 2016, 08:00:07 pm
Vinny Rottino
I think he was Frank Zappa's drummer for awhile.
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Post by: msf on April 27, 2016, 08:55:20 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 28, 2016, 08:06:59 am
The 4 org teams in action thus far, A, high-A, AA and AAA are a combined 18 games UNDER .500 thus far this season, that is really bad. Charlotte, the AAA club, is 9-11 for the best record of the 4 thus far.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 28, 2016, 02:15:35 pm
As long as the major league club is in 1st place, I don't care what the W-L record of the minor league clubs are this season. It's sure better than the reverse situation of having 'winning' minor league affiliates and a losing major league club.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on April 28, 2016, 03:18:04 pm
What Andy said.
As long as the prospects are developing and progressing properly, W-L is just a nice bonus.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 28, 2016, 03:18:19 pm
Of course the big club is most important, but for those of us who like to talk about the farm teams, I think a little lamenting about status of said teams in this thread is okay.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 28, 2016, 04:55:42 pm
Of course the big club is most important, but for those of us who like to talk about the farm teams, I think a little lamenting about status of said teams in this thread is okay.
That's right Blackie, you tell those guys, F em. heh
I just wish some of the guys would do better so we could trade them for something we may need.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: 4nek8 on April 28, 2016, 06:08:39 pm
I think a little lamenting about status of said teams in this thread is okay
"Deja Vu" by Crabsby, Waills, & Gnash
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 28, 2016, 10:20:43 pm
Tyler and Spencer with impressive starts tonight
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on April 29, 2016, 07:26:21 am
I guess my point is that minor league wins and losses don't necessarily correlate with big league success or player development. If a minor league team is winning on account of the veterans, but the kids are struggling,....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 29, 2016, 08:37:53 am
I agree with you. I just like to see my teams win and the prospects pan out so we can trade and get major league value for them. I want our minor league teams to win as well, I know it does not mean squat for the big picture.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 02, 2016, 06:20:41 pm
The 2016 MLB Amateur Draft is about six weeks away. In the latest MLB mock draft Jim Callis has the White Sox picking Zack Collins a catcher from the University of Miami, while Jonathan Mayo predicts the White Sox to draft Braxton Garrett, a high school LHP from Florence, Alabama. Garrett is a Vanderbilt commit so the White Sox would probably have to pay overslot to sign him if they draft him:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 02, 2016, 06:53:15 pm
I am not a fan of taking catchers in the 1st round, they already talk that Collins may move to 1B. Taking a 1st baseman in Round 1, better not. Get a pitcher, college or prep.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 02, 2016, 08:25:20 pm
This is going to be our last year picking high for many years (heh), let's get another high-end pitcher.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 02, 2016, 08:35:16 pm
Fulmer could be nearly ready in a month I bet. He is getting better and better.
We really got lucky that two clubs passed on Rodon, one guy did not sign (the LH kid who went #1) and Kolek is going for surgery.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 02, 2016, 10:48:44 pm
We should've taken Schwarber.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 03, 2016, 06:38:05 am
LOL, no freaking way. I will take Rodon. Schwarber is a man w/o a position. He can hit the crap out of the ball, but lets wait and see.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2016, 10:37:01 am
I think BlackSox was being sarcastic and forgot to use the purple font.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 03, 2016, 10:44:57 am
Most likely, but I wanted to say that anyway.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 03, 2016, 02:44:19 pm
Heh.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 03, 2016, 09:54:37 pm
msf, my new guy is Nick Basto. Yeah, I know he can't field, but I like the way his hitting has been progressing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 04, 2016, 06:32:09 am
It is about time, the guys on SoxTalk are not big fans of his at all. One talked to a scout once and nothing good was said about Basto. But the dude might be finally putting it together, I remember Mikey Morse taking some time to become a hitter. The two Nick's, Basto and Delmonico are hitting the hide off the ball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 05, 2016, 07:57:34 pm
AA Birmingham game.
Johnny Field leads off for Montgomery in the 1st and walks, then proceeds to steal 2B, then 3B and then home. They have like 6 or more steals in 2 innings off Guerrero/Dowdy.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 05, 2016, 10:33:55 pm
The Montgomery Biscuits?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 06, 2016, 06:23:04 am
There is a jam band that I enjoy hearing, the Disco Biscuits.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 10, 2016, 10:19:58 pm
My guy Nick Basto got called up to AA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 11, 2016, 06:45:15 am
Engel was sent down to High A, he was struggling big time in AA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 11, 2016, 11:59:30 am
Fulmer pitching today, 3 scoreless, but his command is still not there yet. Walking too many guys, but coming along quite well. AA ball is considered the best, and many times we take the guy from AA straight to majors. We did it with Fernandez, Frank Thomas, Ventura, Buehrle, etc...
Fulmer pitching today, 3 scoreless, but his command is still not there yet. Walking too many guys, but coming along quite well. AA ball is considered the best, and many times we take the guy from AA straight to majors. We did it with Fernandez, Frank Thomas, Ventura, Buehrle, etc...
...and Scott Radinsky went from A-ball to the majors.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 11, 2016, 03:21:08 pm
Rad even went from Low A, Appleton. I think a guy named Jones did it later, he did not make it thru the year. Terry Forster and Goose Gossage both made it out of the Midwest League too.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2016, 01:49:13 am
boy, that was a terrible start by Fulmer.
Jake Peter moved to OF, wonder if his defense at 2nd sucked.
Thought of Gossage as a guy who jumped from low A to the show
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 12, 2016, 06:14:11 am
Jake Peter is ok at 2B, they are playing him everywhere, trying to make a utility man out of him. I imagine DeMichele is better defensively, so he won the 2B job. Peter has played a lot of OF, a lot of 1B, as well as 2B and 3B too I think. You know Jake Peter was a pitcher quite a bit at Nebraska and has a real nice arm, so I am guessing he could be good at 3B or corner outfield.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 12, 2016, 06:15:48 am
Jake Peter moved to OF, wonder if his defense at 2nd sucked.
Thought of Gossage as a guy who jumped from low A to the show
I should look it up, but I think Bart Johnson also went from A ball to the bigs. Sox did that often with good young arms, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Personally I like it, use those arms before they get worn out.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 12, 2016, 02:25:28 pm
Jake Peter moved to OF, wonder if his defense at 2nd sucked.
Thought of Gossage as a guy who jumped from low A to the show
I should look it up, but I think Bart Johnson also went from A ball to the bigs. Sox did that often with good young arms, sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Personally I like it, use those arms before they get worn out.
In 1969, Bart Johnson went a combined 20-4 in Rookie & A-Ball before being called up to the major league team in September where he was 1-3 in 4 games (3 starts). Johnson's promotion wasn't for the "pennant drive" as that White Sox team lost 94 games and finished in 5th place in the AL West, 4 games ahead of the first year expansion Seattle Pilots. Johnson then spent 1/2 of 1970 in the minors (AA & Tripe-A) and half the year in the majors.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 12, 2016, 03:45:08 pm
Thanks Andy, so he sorta fits the description, he just had to go back down for a bit.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 14, 2016, 07:29:38 pm
Joan Baez pitched against Kanny tonight. She did not make it out of the 4th.
The White Sox selected Zack Collins (catcher - University of Miami) with the overall #10 pick in tonight's MLB Draft.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 09, 2016, 07:14:33 pm
Lefty, good hitter, takes walks, might stay at catcher.... sounds okay to me.
Miami still alive in the college playoffs. They play tomorrow at 11:00am on ESPNU.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2016, 07:38:53 pm
Konerko moved to 3B then to 1B after being drafted as a catcher. I expect this kid to end up at 1B. Slow behind the plate is the word, fringe arm as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 09, 2016, 07:51:56 pm
Yeah, unless you're dynamite behind the plate like a Posey or Wieters and can make it without your bat, I'm expecting a part-time catcher (at most)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2016, 08:38:19 pm
With the 26th overall pick the White Sox pick a local kid. A pitcher who went to Downers Grove South H.S. Zack Burdi. Zack is the closer for the University of Louisville.
With the 49th overall pick, the White Sox choose 6"7" RHP Alec Hansen for the University of Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 09, 2016, 10:35:07 pm
Hansen has crappy stats
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 09, 2016, 11:28:56 pm
But he is also the "Bizzaro Lance Broadway", which I like. Instead of a "high floor", which the old scouting director preferred, Hansen has the highest ceiling of anyone available at #49... but an equally low floor. A boom or bust, 'Coop can fix 'em' pick. These picks are rolls of the dice, might as well pick the ones with the highest potential payoff. So, WTFN?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 10, 2016, 01:03:36 am
people who bet against the odds lose.
If you go to the track do you bet on the longshots?
I'd rather bet on someone who has proved he's good, rather than hope a little fairy dust will turn a bad player into a good one.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 10, 2016, 07:40:44 am
I wonder how quickly Burdi will climb the ranks.... Looks like other than fastball command, he's got a great fastball + a good slider, and even his changeup sounds like it's a workable pitch.
I half wonder if they drafted him for 2016.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2016, 08:20:09 am
Not crazy over Burdi either. He can throw 100 mph, but so can his brother and he is still in AA with the Twins, in his 5th year I think. Maybe this kid can start as well, they say he has a breaking ball and changeup, so he will maybe start to begin with, if for no other reason than to get innings/pitches as he proceeds.
2nd rounder, Hansen, was projected to maybe be top pick or at least top 5 pick prior to the season. Ended up averaging 7 BBs per 9 innings with Okla and was eventually removed from rotation. Ended up making it back into rotation, but all in all a disappointing season. He has the arm but he has problems repeating his delivery yet, he is gangly (6-7)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 10, 2016, 08:38:23 am
What is their collective signability?
I'm wondering if they're targeting some high-ceiling players in later rounds....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2016, 08:45:06 am
All are signable. Hope we can save a bit on each so we have money left, but we will draft some real no-names in rounds 5-10 and save big there and start taking chances on kids starting in 11th round.
Look at this report on Hansen, they say Hansen, Burdi and Pint were the pitchers with the best pure stuff.
Hansen's 2016 season has been as many twists and turns as a Shonda Rhimes drama. The season began with lofty expectations. Hansen did strike out 11 in a magical early-season start against UCLA but his control troubles and ineffectiveness culminated in an outing against Texas Tech where he gave up four runs while recording only two outs. He was banished to the bullpen and didn't return to the rotation until early May, but he marked his return with six scoreless innings against Kansas State as he struck out nine. Other than Riley Pint and arguably Louisville reliever Zack Burdi, Hansen has the best pure stuff in this year's draft class. Hansen can sit in the mid-to-high 90s with his fastball, and on his best nights he'll flash a plus curveball, slider and changeup. But those moments have been few and far between. Hansen's medical history could also give teams' pause. He had an elbow injury in high school, did not pitch on the summer circuit last year and was shut down during fall ball with elbow soreness.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 10, 2016, 09:43:03 am
atleast no 2 sport stars... but its an under whelming draft so far. esp when you spend pick 26 on a RP.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 10:35:30 am
Not crazy over Burdi either. He can throw 100 mph, but so can his brother and he is still in AA with the Twins, in his 5th year I think. Maybe this kid can start as well, they say he has a breaking ball and changeup, so he will maybe start to begin with, if for no other reason than to get innings/pitches as he proceeds.
2nd rounder, Hansen, was projected to maybe be top pick or at least top 5 pick prior to the season. Ended up averaging 7 BBs per 9 innings with Okla and was eventually removed from rotation. Ended up making it back into rotation, but all in all a disappointing season. He has the arm but he has problems repeating his delivery yet, he is gangly (6-7)
Nick Burdi was drafted by the Twins in 2014 and started his pro career in July 2014. He was drafted by the Twins out of high school (24th round in 2011) but didn't sign. Instead he went to Louisville where he was the closer for three seasons. Zack took over as the closer for Louisville after Nick went pro.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 10, 2016, 10:45:15 am
Does this mean his Miami U career is over, and he's bailing on the playoffs? Fine by me if so, just curious.
No his college career isn't over. "Agreed to terms" isn't the same as "signed" and either side can still back out of any deal. Just ask the Baltimore Orioles about their dealings with Dexter Fowler four months ago.
Edited to add: Zack Collins' Miami Hurricanes team plays Boston College later this afternoon in Coral Gables. The game will be telecast on ESPNU starting at 4:00PM CDT. The game is also available on the internet at watchESPN.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2016, 12:02:14 pm
Not crazy over Burdi either. He can throw 100 mph, but so can his brother and he is still in AA with the Twins, in his 5th year I think. Maybe this kid can start as well, they say he has a breaking ball and changeup, so he will maybe start to begin with, if for no other reason than to get innings/pitches as he proceeds.
2nd rounder, Hansen, was projected to maybe be top pick or at least top 5 pick prior to the season. Ended up averaging 7 BBs per 9 innings with Okla and was eventually removed from rotation. Ended up making it back into rotation, but all in all a disappointing season. He has the arm but he has problems repeating his delivery yet, he is gangly (6-7)
Nick Burdi was drafted by the Twins in 2014 and started his pro career in July 2014. He was drafted by the Twins out of high school (24th round in 2011) but didn't sign. Instead he went to Louisville where he was the closer for three seasons. Zack took over as the closer for Louisville after Nick went pro.
Thanks Andy, I was looking at a Twins 2011 draft list that was in the Minny Trib and saw Burdi was on it. Bad assumption, I knew he went higher that the 20-something slot that he went in 2011.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 12:26:25 pm
The White Sox third round pick (#86) is Alex Call, a 5'11" outfield from Ball State University. Callis says he’s a good defender in center with good speed. A bit off the board pick. Call hit .358 at Ball State this season with 13 homers. 29 walks, 29 strikeouts, 243 at-bats.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 01:19:17 pm
The White Sox 4th rounder (#116 overall pick) is Jameson Fisher, a 6'2" LHH outfielder from Southeastern Louisiana University. He was a catcher before having labrum surgery on his right shoulder. He missed 2015 due to the labrum injury. He hit .424 with 1.250 OPS in 2016.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 01:38:58 pm
With the pick just before the White Sox in the 4th round, the Detroit Tigers selected U of Louisville RHP Kyle Funkhouser. He's from Oak Forest, IL and is a lifelong White Sox fan. Fourteen months ago Funkhouser was speculated to be a top five pick but he struggled in May 2015 so he dropped to the Dodgers in last year's draft with the 35th pick. He turned down the Dodgers last year when his slot value was $1,756,100 for the #35 overall pick. This year he's the #115 pick with a slot value of $516,200 and has no more NCAA eligibility so no bargaining power. Bad g@mble for him and his agent Scott Boras. Another player screwed for listening to Boras. Hope he's smart enough to ditch Boras this time as he "lost" over $1.2 million listening to advise of Scott Boras.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 10, 2016, 02:54:39 pm
The White Sox took Fresno State right-hander Jimmy Lambert in the fifth round. The 21-year-old Lambert was 10-2 with a 3.13 ERA as a junior, with 78 strikeouts in 97 2/3 innings.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2016, 04:56:20 pm
Some guys that will get 10K to sign and the rest of that slot will be used for picks after the 10th round.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 05:03:35 pm
9th rounder (#266 overall pick) was Max Dutto, a LHH shortstop from Menlo College in California. He transferred to Menlo after struggling for three seasons at U. of California. 2016 stats - .276/.456/.594.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 05:28:22 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckn5kWNUYAAH_U8.jpg)
10th round selection (#296) was Zach Remillard a 6'1" RHH 3B from Coastal Carolina University. Remillard is a SR, 6-1, 200 pounds. Hit .348/.399/.632 in 16'. Played through injury during 2014 season and had TJ surgery that summer. As a senior he has no leverage and probably will be signed below his $157,900 slot value if he wants to play with a MLB organization. Only other choices are independent ball, grad school or a real job.
Coastal Carolina University is still alive in the NCAA tourney. They face LSU in the Super Regional in Baton Rouge, LA in a best-of-three starting Saturday night at 8:00PM CST. Game one is scheduled to be shown on ESPNU.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 05:55:30 pm
Draft over for the evening. Will resume tomorrow morning. So far, 11 picks in 10 rounds. Only one HS player taken by the White Sox.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 05:59:56 pm
How many, if any, White Sox front office, ownership, coaches, personnel, investors or ex-players' offspring, grandchildren or relative will be drafted after round 30 this year by the White Sox? Include Chicago White Sox ACE program grads in the total too. I'm guessing two which is possibly the over/under in Vegas. ;D
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2016, 06:03:51 pm
Just 1 this year. Drake LaRoche count?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 07:00:02 pm
In the first inning of the BC/UofMiami Super Regional, Zack Collins struck out swing on 3-2 with no one on and two out. Second time up, he killed the first pitch for a three-run HR to right. Both ABs were against Justin Dunn, the Mets 1st rounder (#19 overall pick). It was only the 2nd HR allowed by Dunn this season. Game start was delayed due to weather. They're in the bottom of the third, game is on ESPNU.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2016, 08:05:13 pm
Third time up, Zack Collins strikes out swinging again. This time on a 2-2 pitch with two on and no outs.
Fourth time up, Zack Collins walks on 4 pitches leading off the bottom of the 7th with Miami up 6-3.
Bottom of the eighth, Zack Collins bats for the 5th time. With runners on 1st and 2nd with one out, Collins walks again on 4 pitches. Next batter is HBP. The one after hits a grand slam on the 3-2 pitch. Miami leading 12-3 after eight full.
Zack Collins pulled from the game after 8 innings. Boston College rallies for 4 runs in the ninth but not enough as Miami takes game one 12-7.
I grew up in Midlothian, which is right next to Oak Forest. Went to school with some kids named Funkhouser - wonder if Kyle is related to one of them?
Personal: Born Kyle James Funkhouser on March 16, 1994 in Palos Heights, Ill. Son of Dennis and Laura Funkhouser. Has two brothers, Matt and Joe. Majoring in finance. People with the greatest influence on his athletic career are his parents who have always kept him on track and helped get him into baseball. Hobbies and interests include sports, video games and music. Favorite movies are Remember the Titans and The Sandlot. Favorite TV shows are SportsCenter and Pawn Stars. Favorite athletes include Derek Jeter, Derrick Rose and Brian Urlacher. Favorite cereal is Cocoa Puffs. Favorite candy bar is 3 Musketeers. Favorite foods include deep dish pizza, hot dogs and grilled chicken. Favorite teams are the Chicago Bears, Chicago Bulls, Chicago Blackhawks and Chicago White Sox. Favorite restaurants are Olive Garden and Portillos. Was spelling bee winner from third grade through fifth grade. Mom Laura played college volleyball at Indiana State.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2016, 05:55:26 am
Typically teams throw away 6-10 or similar rounds where they have a slot. They then offer a kid a 10K to play pro ball (the kid is not ever going to pan out) and pool up the rest. Once round 11 starts a team gets a standard amount to spend on each choice (10K or 100K, cannot recall). But if you saved money in later top 10 rounds you can maybe add to the standard amount and steal some kid away from college or whatever. I would not worry about who we picked in those rounds.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 11, 2016, 11:46:11 am
Typically teams throw away 6-10 or similar rounds where they have a slot. They then offer a kid a 10K to play pro ball (the kid is not ever going to pan out) and pool up the rest. Once round 11 starts a team gets a standard amount to spend on each choice (10K or 100K, cannot recall). But if you saved money in later top 10 rounds you can maybe add to the standard amount and steal some kid away from college or whatever. I would not worry about who we picked in those rounds.
Only the first ten rounds have "slot values". For any pick after round 10, the signing bonus limit is $100K. If you sign a player from round 11-40 for more than a $100K bonus, the overage is charged against your total slot allotment value. If you sign a player selected from round 11-40 for less than $100K, you don't get to use the money "saved" to balance the overage from another pick.
The White Sox total slot allotment value for this draft is $9,416,600. This figure is for draftees round 1-10 and any signing amount over $100K for any draftee from round 11-40. The White Sox are allowed to go up to 5% over the $9.4166 million figure without losing any future picks. There is a fine for exceeding the $9.4166 million, but the loss of future draft choices don't come into play until you exceed your total slot allotment value by more than 5%.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2016, 01:36:33 pm
Thanks, basically what I was trying to say. I would say #11 is one they might pay more than 100K to. He was a dominant reliever using FB and changeup. Became a starter and was so-so his Jr season. He could be a fast mover in the pen is the word analysts are discussing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 11, 2016, 03:53:20 pm
plsyers with White Sox connections drafted this week:
Shortstop Brandon Bossard from Nazareth Academy in Illinois taken in the 31st round by CWS. He is Roger Bossard's son. He's committed to Heartland Junior College (IL).
Shortstop Grae Kessinger from Oxford High School in Mississippi taken in the 26th round by the Padres. he is the grandson of former White Sox player/manager Don Kessinger. He's an Old Miss commit.
Former White Sox DH Ken Griffey, Jr.'s son, Trey, drafted by the Mariners in the 24th round. Trey hasn't player baseball since HS. He's a WR on the University of Arizona football team.
Catcher Tyler Gordon from Simeon Career Academy (Chicago) drafted by the White Sox in the 38th round. He's a "graduate" of the White Sox ACE program (inner city baseball travel team) and is committed to Prairie View A&M.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 11, 2016, 05:35:19 pm
How many, if any, White Sox front office, ownership, coaches, personnel, investors or ex-players' offspring, grandchildren or relative will be drafted after round 30 this year by the White Sox? Include Chicago White Sox ACE program grads in the total too. I'm guessing two which is possibly the over/under in Vegas. ;D
BINGO! I hit it on the head. Two draftees by the White Sox - the "Sodfather"'s kid and an inner-city catcher from their ACE program.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2016, 06:27:37 pm
Good job. Kessinger's grandson might not be bad, committed to Ole Miss.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 12, 2016, 07:10:02 am
Two interesting posts from SoxTalk
The White Sox went with a lot of high upside, tough signs in the later rounds. Their 26th (Farrar), 34th (Shirley), 35th (Acton), 37th (Kaplan), and 39th (Lavey) all have strong commits to big programs. It makes me wonder if they cut some deals with some of the college players they took earlier so they would have extra cash for the later rounds…
I know you're just hating on Bossard because the White Sox are known for nepotism with draft picks (I can't believe this isn't a Matt post I'm replying to), but Bossard is a real prospect. Real good shortstop, strong arm, good speed, baseball junkie type. He was a decent high school pitcher, too. Could throw upper 80s.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 12, 2016, 02:11:46 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkxchtCUgAAh7Vi.jpg)
Zack Burdi is now available to sign a pro contract. He ended his college career by giving up a walk-off pinch hit grand slam to a freshman backup catcher as the Gauchos of UC Santa Barbara eliminate Louisville and moves onto the College World Series in Omaha.
Looks like Burdi will fit right in with the 2016 White Sox bullpen.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: dave23 on June 13, 2016, 09:30:08 am
Kessinger is a better glove than bat now, and most likely in the future as well. Thomas Dillard was the best bat from that Oxford (MS) team, a switch hitting catcher with power from both sides. They'll both end up at Ole Miss.
Funkhouser is from Chicago, and lists his favorite restaurant as Olive Garden?! WTF?!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 13, 2016, 10:38:52 am
Funkhouser is from Chicago, and lists his favorite restaurant as Olive Garden
He must be from the South Side.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 13, 2016, 04:13:59 pm
Man, Olive Garden, that would be really, really far down towards bottom of my list here in Rochester. I doubt I would ever even go there again.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 13, 2016, 04:22:37 pm
in all fairness, when i first moved out and went off to college, the olive garden soup and salad lunch was on the menu about 4 days a week.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 13, 2016, 06:44:36 pm
Recent White Sox draftee (2nd round - #49 overall pick), Alec Hansen, signs for his full slot value ($1,284,500). Amazing that a 5.40 ERA and losing your rotation spot still gets you full SV. Guess it could have been worse, they could have paid 5% overslot or more to sign him:
Edited to add: Just noticed he's from Loveland, Colorado. Does aka Loveland know him or his family?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 17, 2016, 05:13:36 pm
from whitesox.com:
6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed C Nate Nolan. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed RHP Ben Wright. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed OF Alex Call. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed 3B Brady Conlan. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed SS Mitch Roman. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed SS Sam Dexter. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed 1B Anthony Villa. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed RHP Lane Hobbs. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed 3B Zach Remillard. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed LHP Michael Horejsei. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed RHP Jake Elliott. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed OF Aaron Schnurbusch. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed OF Jameson Fisher. 6/16/16 Chicago White Sox signed free agent RHP Aron McRee to a minor league contract.
http://m.whitesox.mlb.com/roster/transactions
http://m.mlb.com/draft/tracker/#!ft=team&fv=cha
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: PeteWard on June 18, 2016, 11:26:46 am
Hansen family must have photos of Kenny and his lobster
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 18, 2016, 12:16:16 pm
I got dibs on Jameson Fisher as my guy.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 18, 2016, 12:51:52 pm
Good choice Sharp, he just needs a position, not sure he is an OF. DH or 1B. He was a catcher but labrum surgery (some shoulder problem maybe rotator cuff?) might have taken care of that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 18, 2016, 08:52:00 pm
The White Sox have agreed to terms with nine of their Top 10 selections from the 2016 #MLBDraft. Full list:
Round 1 pick (Zack Collins), Round 10 pick (Zach Remillard) and Round 27 (Mike Morrison) are from colleges that are still competing in the College World Series in Omaha so they're not eligible to sign until their teams' seasons are over.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 20, 2016, 02:01:31 pm
White Sox 10th rounder Zach Remillard had a good night for Coastal Carolina. Two hits (a double and a triple) in 4 ABs and both RBIs in their 2-1 win over Florida. Coastal Carolina's starter pitched a complete game so their closer, who is the Sox 27th rounder Mike Morrison, didn't get into the game. Coastal Carolina next plays TCU in a winner's bracket game tomorrow night at 8:00PM (Central) on ESPN.
Miami vs. UCSB in an elimination game at the College World Series right now on ESPNU.
White Sox first pick Zack Collins homered to RF on a 2-out, 1-0 pitch in the top of the 1st giving Miami a 1-0 lead. The UCSB Gauchos didn't wait long to tie it in the bottom of the 1st. Game still tied at 1 after three full. Collins due to bat 2nd in the top of the 4th for Miami.
Edited to add: With one-out, UCSB walks Collins on four pitches. Not one of them anywhere close to the strike zone.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 20, 2016, 04:36:40 pm
The U. of Miami Hurricanes season is over as they were eliminated today by the Gaucho's of UCSB 5-3.
Miami's Zack Collins was 2 for 2 (HR & single), 2 walks and 2 RBI in the game. He can now officially begin his negotiations with the White Sox. If previous reports were correct, you can expect him to sign by the weekend.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 20, 2016, 06:48:53 pm
Thanks for the updates, Ang!
MSF, any of the top signed picks playing at Kanny?
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Post by: msf on June 20, 2016, 08:05:02 pm
Not thus far Blackie. Burdi and Hansen are with Arizona, who I consider the lower of the two Rookie Teams, Great Falls being the other. So that surprised me. But those two should be at Kanny soon. Call and Fisher likely will be up to Kanny soon too, both at Great Falls. Fisher is doing real well and even has two stolen bases and he is playing the OF.
There is one kid at Kanny, they put Cruz, their SS on DL. Max Dutto, 9th rounder, went to Kanny to fill in.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 20, 2016, 08:21:53 pm
Not thus far Blackie. Burdi and Hansen are with Arizona, who I consider the lower of the two Rookie Teams, Great Falls being the other. So that surprised me. But those two should be at Kanny soon. Call and Fisher likely will be up to Kanny soon too, both at Great Falls. Fisher is doing real well and even has two stolen bases and he is playing the OF.
There is one kid at Kanny, they put Cruz, their SS on DL. Max Dutto, 9th rounder, went to Kanny to fill in.
7 - Bernardo Flores: Signed for $200,000 (slot is $214,900), per Jonathan Mayo (MLB Pipeline). 8 - Nate Nolan: Signed for $170,000 (slot is $181,100), per Mayo. 9 - Max Dutto: Signed for $10,000 (slot is $159,100), per Mayo. 11 - Ian Hamilton: Signed for $101,800, per Mayo ($1,800 hit to pool).
Pat Cashman (30th rounder) is ticketed for the starting rotation at Great Falls.
Edited to add: Looks like earlier reports that Cashman was going to Montana were incorrect. He's listed on the roster for the AZL White Sox who play at the White Sox spring training site in Glendale:
http://www.milb.com/roster/index.jsp?cid=1997
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Post by: BlackSox on June 20, 2016, 10:41:32 pm
So, Dutto gave up $140K in order to play Big Boy Ball right away?
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 20, 2016, 10:49:53 pm
So, Dutto gave up $140K in order to play Big Boy Ball right away?
Yes. He wasn't considered 9th round talent but the CWS drafted him there with the intent to use the $149.1K "saved" from his slot value to be able to sign their 6th round pick (HS shortstop from PR). Probably had the deal prearranged with Dutto before they took him.
Glendale White Sox (AZL) off to an 0-3 start. Zack Burdi made his pro debut in relief last night. Burdi pitched a scoreless inning giving up a lone hit and struck out one.
Plainfield North grad Pat Cashman is off to a bad start. He came in relief looking for a save but picked up a blown save and the loss in Monday's opener. Cashman gave up two runs and three hits without getting an out. Last night he pitched the inning after Burdi. Pat gave up two runs, one earned, on two hits.
Cashman's pro line so far in two appearances is: 1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, .556 BAA, 5.00 WHIP, 27.00 ERA with no wins, 1 loss and a blown save.
Luis Curbelo the 6th round shortstop from PR, is 0-4 with three strikeouts.
Somebody needs to inform Tigers GM Al Avila that drafted seniors have no leverage and should be offered well BELOW slot. He signed Kyle Funkhouser for $750K, which is $223,800 above his slot value. Still even with the generosity of Tigers' management, Funkhouser signs for $1 million less than he was offered by the Dodgers last year. Another happy Boras client.
This year's College World Series Championship round will be the Arizona Wildcats vs. the Coastal Carolina Chanticleers. Two White Sox draftees play on the Chanticleers - 3Bman Zach Remillard (10th rounder) and closer Mike Morrison (27th rounder).
The Championship round (best of three) starts Monday night at 6:00PM (Central) on ESPN.
Let's go Chanticleers!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 26, 2016, 09:17:37 am
Wow, that would be quite a story
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 26, 2016, 01:41:35 pm
Somebody needs to inform Tigers GM Al Avila that drafted seniors have no leverage and should be offered well BELOW slot. He signed Kyle Funkhouser for $750K, which is $223,800 above his slot value. Still even with the generosity of Tigers' management, Funkhouser signs for $1 million less than he was offered by the Dodgers last year. Another happy Boras client.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 26, 2016, 08:46:23 pm
Fulmer had his best outing so far
IP H R ER BB SO HR Carson Fulmer (W, 4-8) 7.0 2 0 0 2 7 0
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 28, 2016, 07:32:25 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmD7QW6WEAAYxf1.jpg)
Right-hander Carson Fulmer, the Sox’ No. 8 overall pick in the 2015 draft and their top prospect, was selected to play for the U.S. team in the Futures Game on All-Star Weekend in San Diego.
Fulmer has been far from lights out this season, pitching to a 4-8 record and 5.28 ERA with 75 strikeouts and 44 walks over 75 innings at AA Birmingham. He had one stretch of four starts with eight, five, one and seven walks but has been better of late, averaging two walks in five starts since. In his last outing against Mobile, he pitched seven scoreless innings with seven strikeouts and two hits and two walks allowed.
Jim Thome, special assistant to the GM, will serve as the U.S. hitting coach, and Sox minor league field coordinator Kirk Champion will serve as bullpen coach.
Sox pregame instructor Luis Sierra will be the bullpen coach for the World Team. Arizona League White Sox manager Ever Magallanes will be the first base coach.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 28, 2016, 07:37:39 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl_EyCCWEAAGtju.jpg)
Courtney Hawkins batted .500 (9-18) with 2 HR and 9 RBI in four games.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 29, 2016, 10:14:28 am
I love how Charlotte has been in first place for the last couple weeks, despite having a losing record.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 29, 2016, 11:10:34 pm
The rubber game of this year's College World Series was postponed due to weather. Game will be played Thursday at 12:00PM (Central) and telecast live on ESPNU. Let's Go Chanticleers!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmLB4VBWYAAT1D0.jpg)
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Post by: msf on June 30, 2016, 04:49:11 pm
Chanticleers win 4-3, CWS Champions. Wowza
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 30, 2016, 11:35:04 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmP1fknWcAAF4lc.jpg)
Zack Collins wins Johnny Bench Award as Nation's best Catcher!
stats on Gonzalez: http://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.cgi?id=gonzal004alf
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 02, 2016, 09:26:46 pm
Two outstanding starts in a row for Carson
Player IP H R ER BB SO HR Carson Fulmer 7.0 3 0 0 4 5 0
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 02, 2016, 11:34:08 pm
24th round pick 3rd baseman Brady Conlan is hitting like crazy at Great Falls.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 06, 2016, 05:14:06 pm
Zack Burdi made his first appearance at AA & couldn't get anyone out - 4 walks, 1 hit.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 06, 2016, 07:26:29 pm
Had not walked a batter in his last 4 or 5 appearances
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 06, 2016, 08:23:58 pm
Guessing Burdi had the jitters
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Post by: BlackSox on July 06, 2016, 10:17:16 pm
Birmingham has that effect on new guys (heh)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 06, 2016, 11:32:50 pm
Zack Burdi's older brother Nick (Twins 2014 draftee) had a similar experience in his pro debut for Cedar Rapids. Nick entered the game in the 9th with a 4-0 lead and ended giving up 4 runs on 4 walks. They pulled him after the first 4 hitters.
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Post by: msf on July 07, 2016, 07:28:36 am
Glad it was ankle and not the knee.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 08, 2016, 05:27:08 pm
Justin Morneau went 1-4 (a triple) yesterday for Charlotte but it was far from enough as the Knights lost 15-3. Scott Carroll was bad but Tyler Danish and Matt Purke were "lit up like Christmas trees":
video of Morneau's triple: https://twitter.com/MiLB/status/751266264518103040
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2016, 09:08:08 pm
(http://www.milb.com/assets/images/9/9/2/169265992/cuts/fulmer960_maz1074n_chr82w2j.jpg) Southern notes: Fulmer learns from setbacks White Sox No. 1 prospect working on correcting early control issues
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Post by: msf on July 15, 2016, 07:44:36 pm
Collins hits a 3-run homer and is 2-3 midway thru his first game for Winston-Salem (High-A)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 16, 2016, 01:32:47 am
I see the sox now have 30 yr old relief pitcher Ryan Webb at AAA. He was pretty good with Cleveland last year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 18, 2016, 01:40:00 am
msf, is Toby Thomas on your prospect radar?
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Post by: msf on July 18, 2016, 08:32:40 am
Not really, they have never touted him. I know in his first couple years he walked even less than Anderson. He also has a bit of pop in his bat for a little guy. I have always liked him, he seems to at least know how to play the game and seems to get timely hits.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 19, 2016, 10:44:41 pm
The 2016 MLB Draft set a record low for unsigned picks in the first 10 rounds. Just two players—No. 41 overall selection Nick Lodolo, picked by the Pirates, and seventh-rounder Tyler Buffet, taken by the Astros—failed to sign.
BillSharp, this kid just keeps impressing, up to .285ish, 30 or so doubles, quite a few rbi and he is walking a bit now, more than previously.
Also, the RF Mason Robbins, hitting over .300, lots of doubles, starting to show some pop. Great arm in RF and has above average speed they say, tho he does not look like he would and he does not steal. They say he barrels the ball all the time.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 29, 2016, 12:36:17 am
yeah, this has definitely been a breakout year for Robbins.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 30, 2016, 02:20:20 pm
Top White Sox Prospects, Midseason 2016 - Full List
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 11, 2016, 12:55:21 pm
Looks like Alfredo Gonzalez the catcher we somehow got from Houston is the real deal, a true prospect. Last year he played at low A, High A & double A and hit at every level. This year he was doing nothing at AA for Houston when we got him & he's been great for Birmingham.
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Post by: josephc on August 12, 2016, 09:42:37 am
Looks like his production a) was artificially bogged down in the Astros system with an abnormally low BABIP (.217); and b) is artificially propped up right now with an abnormally high BABIP (.363). Then again, his 2015 season had a BABIP of around .400....
A couple of nice indicators are that he is striking out less since coming to Birmingham, but is also walking less.
Not sure if I'd consider him a real prospect, though admittedly I haven't seen any scouting reports on him either.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 12, 2016, 12:59:59 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 15, 2016, 09:41:59 pm
L Garcia is having quite the year at Charlotte. I'd like to see them test him out as a super utility guy for next year. Plays OF and IF.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 16, 2016, 07:24:35 am
Hitting over .330. Hard for me to forget that last year he had the worst season hitting in the bigs since some dude in the late 1800's I think. That is pretty bad. He deserves a chance however someday, if not with us then someone else. He would be better than either Garcia. He can play OF and INF.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 16, 2016, 10:36:14 pm
Hitting over .330. Hard for me to forget that last year he had the worst season hitting in the bigs since some dude in the late 1800's I think. That is pretty bad. He deserves a chance however someday, if not with us then someone else. He would be better than either Garcia. He can play OF and INF.
That was two years ago, but don't look now, Carlos Sánchez is having an even worse season than Leury had in 2014:
Andy, msf is correct, L Garcia is hitting over 330 this year.
You're misreading my correction.
I wasn't questioning Leury's great season was this year. MSF wrote L Garcia's BAD year was LAST year. It wasn't in 2015, it was two season ago (2014) and Carlos Sanchez's 2016 is on track to be even worse than L Garcia's 2014 White Sox stats.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 21, 2016, 04:45:24 pm
Alec Hansen (2nd round) struck out 13 in 6 innings at Great Falls.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 28, 2016, 03:06:41 pm
this article is from 2 1/2 years ago but worth reading. I'm sure aka Loveland will find it interesting: ;D
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Post by: msf on August 29, 2016, 01:26:52 pm
Just a bit of encouragement.
Carson Fulmer started and went 5 no-hit innings on Sunday, with 0 walks and 5 Ks.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 02, 2016, 03:47:44 pm
Arizona Fall league:
pitchers - Goldburg, Clark, Cooper, Walsh, all relievers.
position players - Zack Collins, Michalezwski (bum), Hayes (bum), Hawkins (big bum)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 02, 2016, 07:14:25 pm
I still like Hayes, I think he is a hitter, like that kid that plays RF for Winston-Salem, Mason Robbins. Hayes was doing well before he hurt his core muscle. I like all 4 of those relievers. I agree with Hawkins. Not real sure on M-ski, he is young for AA, so maybe, but I expected much more by now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on September 02, 2016, 10:09:04 pm
Hayes turns 26 this month. Last yr. in AA he hit .248 with 58 rbi. This yr. in AAA he has hit .251 with 42 rbi. The most HRs he's hit in a season is 11.
He's minor league roster fill. Compare his stats to Coats, no comparison, & Coats is considered just a fringe prospect.
Danny Black was a better player.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 03, 2016, 07:47:44 am
Do not agree with you on Black. Hayes was looking at 20 or more homers this year, he walks a lot so has a good OBP. If he had not gotten hurt he was looking really good, like he finally added the power they were looking for. His average dipped quite a bit after he got hurt and they decided to sit him for the year. He is also an outstanding 1st baseman defensively. Black was a minor league hitter, Hayes could be more than that.
I also like Coats. They leave him out there for 500 ABs he will outperform Avi
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 04, 2016, 09:06:44 pm
The Charlotte Knights beat the Gwinnett Braves tonight 7-1 to take over 1st place in their division by a half a game. Charlotte's record is 65-78 and Gwinnett is now 64-78. With another win tomorrow over Gwinnett, the Knights would qualify for postseason play as the International League South Division champs. If Gwinnett wins on Labor Day, the Braves advance to the playoffs even though they will have played one less game due to a rainout. The Gwinnett/Pawtucket rainout game of June 1 will not be made up.
The Durham Bulls are in third place, one game back of the Knights but have been eliminated from playoff contention. Hunnie's older son, Johnny, is the CFer and lead-off hitter for the Durham team. His 2016 minor league numbers are .274/.323/.454 with limited power. I don't think Tampa will add him to their 40-man roster this off-season. He's not considered to be one of their top 30 prospects. So expect him to be Rule-5 Draft eligible in mid-December (like his old high school & college teammate Joey Rickard was last year).
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 05, 2016, 07:08:06 pm
Gwinnett Braves beat the Charlotte Knights 6-2 which ends the Knights' 2016 season.
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Post by: BlackSox on September 06, 2016, 04:53:40 pm
Blake Smith called up, added to 40-man.
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Post by: msf on September 06, 2016, 05:39:07 pm
Good for him, he has done ok this year, not outstanding but serviceable. Former OF in the Dodgers org, maybe his 3rd or 4th year pitching I think. Was taken as a Rule V pick this past year but returned to us during ST.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 06, 2016, 06:08:23 pm
Smith actually pitched a little better at Charlotte last year. He didn't turn to pitching until he was 25.
Hey, min, do you put Adam Engel on the 40?
Coats better be called up.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 06, 2016, 08:45:32 pm
Glad they didn't promote Burdi and saved a 40-man roster spot for this off-season.
Since he's already on the 40-man roster, they should have promoted Carson Fulmer though as this bullpen is pretty worn out. Could have decided to use Fulmer for emergency situations or for blowouts only.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 06, 2016, 09:24:41 pm
Totally agree, another front office fu
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 07, 2016, 08:05:05 am
Smith actually pitched a little better at Charlotte last year. He didn't turn to pitching until he was 25.
Hey, min, do you put Adam Engel on the 40?
Coats better be called up.
Yeah, I call up Coats (and I see they did)
I also would put Engel on the 40-man. Not sure he will ever pan out, but the kid has way better talent than many of the others the front office seem to like (Hawkins, Barnum).
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Post by: BillSharp on September 08, 2016, 07:03:08 pm
Eddy Alvarez, the Olympic speed skater, started off really slow at AA, regrouped & ended the season at AAA. He should be top of the prospect watch (non- pitching) at AAA next year. He and the catcher we got from Houston.
AA will get all the guys from this years Winston-Salem team - which had some decent hitters & Zack Collins will probably start at Birmingham. I guess AA will be the team to watch next year.
The guys from this years draft from the 3rd round on will be at high & low A ball next year.
This year's minor leagues was a disappointment mostly because the pitching really stunk - I mean all the highly ranked pitchers sucked pretty badly.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 08, 2016, 09:09:44 pm
Yep, every level stunk it up with their pitching (except Great Falls, they won the league ERA I think, pitching coach is ex-minor leaguer, Zaleski
It is different, usually our pitching is and our hitting sucks, this year both happened.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 26, 2016, 02:13:01 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtSu2kQXgAEd323.jpg)
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Post by: BillSharp on October 12, 2016, 02:38:06 pm
Looks like the Sox changed the pitchers they've sent to the AFL.
roster now has: B. Clark, Nolan Sanburn, Colton Turner & (get this) Louie Lechich.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on October 12, 2016, 03:23:36 pm
Louie had a nice year on the mound. Ah luv converted hitters in pitching roles. He pitched quite a bit at Univ of San Diego in college.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 13, 2016, 09:21:31 pm
Lechich only pitched 15 innings this year.
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Post by: msf on October 14, 2016, 07:13:06 am
He was an outfielder until after the midpoint of the season. Then he switched to pitching (there was talk at draft time that he might pitch rather than hit (or not hit). He pitched for Glendale in the AFL yesterday. 1.1 perfect innings with 2 Ks.
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Post by: msf on October 19, 2016, 07:44:09 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on December 07, 2016, 04:55:12 pm
MSF: I'm counting on you to keep an eye on these new guys next year, and provide regular updates on how they are doing. :)
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Post by: msf on December 07, 2016, 07:47:47 pm
Yes sir commander!!
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Post by: BlackSox on December 08, 2016, 11:05:28 pm
Thanks! ;D
Charlotte is going to have an interesting rotation next year.
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Post by: msf on December 09, 2016, 06:40:29 am
These new guys make Fullmer look like crap. He is likely a bust. With that delivery he cannot replicate his motion, always going to have control problems.
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Post by: Method on December 09, 2016, 07:33:35 am
Gio and Fulmer are likely the same player :(
Fulmer might be just fine in the BP.
I hope we convert some of these arms into STUD BP arms and sell them off for position players.
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Post by: msf on December 09, 2016, 01:59:00 pm
Gio is quite different. He has the perfect motion and has not had trouble with control. Fulmer is herky jerky and cannot repeat delivery. Giolito does it picture book, like Mark Prior did, and we know how that worked for him. Gio does not have monster calves however.
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Post by: msf on December 09, 2016, 02:00:05 pm
I think Lopez would be a nice closer. Let Burdi and others set him up. But Lopez is likely going to be in the rotation.
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Post by: BlackSox on December 14, 2016, 11:46:59 am
More minor league fodder:
The White Sox have added outfielder Caleb Gindl on a minors pact, Eddy further tweets. Despite showing some promise upon reaching the majors in 2013 with the Brewers, Gindl fell off badly in each of the ensuing two seasons.
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Post by: msf on April 11, 2017, 06:19:11 pm
Hunnie's son just hit a leadoff homer against Lopez and Charlotte is down 1-0 right away.
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Post by: msf on April 14, 2017, 06:19:37 am
Minors are really sucking. 8-23 record over the 4 teams and Charlotte has the best record at 4-4. Worse than it has ever been record-wise.
In AAA: Gioloto lost again with his 2nd poor start. Moncada has been hitting well, still striking out a lot but he also walks a lot, has been impressive. Lopez had a good 2nd start despite the loss. Danny Hayes is hitting well too. Burdi is doing pretty good. Fulmer with 1 good start and 1 poor start. Danish had a nice start. Willy Garcia has been the best hitter besides Moncada.
In AA: 2 dead weight hitter that need to be released. Courtney Hawkins and Keon Barnum, yuk. Mason Robbins is the only guy hitting (keep an eye on this guy, all he does is hit, has gap power and is an outstanding RFer with a great arm). Adams is 0-2 pitching but has a 3.86 ERA. Kopech struck out a bunch in his start but took a loss, was not a quality start per se.
In Hi A: Collins is hitting well. Basabe is starting to come around after slow start, had 2 hits last night and threw a runner out at 3rd. Tanner Banks has two great starts.
In Lo A: Hansen has a nice start and a bad start. Dunning has been really good, had 13 Ks in 8 innings and 1 run last night but got a ND. Thus far he is the most impressive of the 3 pitchers we got for Eaton.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 14, 2017, 09:01:33 am
Thanks for the update!
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Post by: msf on April 15, 2017, 08:18:11 am
They went 1-3 again last night, Kanny won the one. 9-26 now. Kopech could not make it out of the 4th inning due to walking 5 guys by that time, only gave up 1 run but had thrown over 75 pitches, they have him on a pitch count
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Post by: msf on April 17, 2017, 06:10:55 am
Teams went 2-1 yesterday, first day all season the org minors had more wins than losses (and only a couple days where they went 2-2)
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Post by: ISF on April 17, 2017, 12:21:53 pm
Hayes is my guy. Has had a .380 OBP at every level he's played. Dunning was the best P we got from Nationals.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 18, 2017, 12:59:32 pm
Dunning has looked good, going again today. I think Lopez will be, especially if we put him in the pen. I have always liked Hayes too. Great 1Bman defensively and gaining power as he matures. Always had a good eye and made good contact.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 19, 2017, 06:12:41 am
Charlotte lost a couple days ago with Burdi giving up 3 in bottom of 9th w/o recording an out.
Last night, Charlotte led 3-1 going into bottom of 9th. Burdi let first 2 guys on and I was shaking my head. Lo and behold he Ks the next 3 hitters. Learning to be a closer.
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Post by: Method on April 19, 2017, 08:00:55 am
How is Giolessito doing?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 19, 2017, 08:56:43 am
Not too good thus far. He was wild last time out. He goes today, his 3rd start. 7.56 ERA in first two starts (both were meh outings). Some say his FB is down to 92-94 but others say the Knights gun is a couple MPH slow. Who knows.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 19, 2017, 09:58:26 am
I've been reading that his velocity is down for about a year now... probably him and not the gun.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2017, 08:39:19 pm
Landon Lassiter finally played at W/S. Must of been hurt.
Booker (cf) & Roman (2b/ss) have been lights out at Kannapolis.
Giolito looks like a lemon.
last years #1 pick has me most worried, simply not hitting.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 20, 2017, 12:34:24 pm
Lassiter was released just before the season started, brought back due to lack of hitting at Winston-Salem
Giolito looked good his first 5 innings, then he hit a wall. Folks at SoxTalk said it was best he looked and that he is learning new delivery. Guess we will see. Still happy with that trade, Lopez could be lights out in the pen IMHO and Dunning is starting out real well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 20, 2017, 12:35:17 pm
Collins has no one in the lineup around him. But I agree, not hitting. His defense has been outstanding however. Both those are unexpected.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 23, 2017, 10:22:21 am
Org went 3-0 yesterday, first perfect day. Now 25-40 on the season. Slowly improving. Not hitting at all anywhere except a guy here and a guy there.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 23, 2017, 11:46:19 am
Kanap seems to be the only team that hits a bit. surprised that Peter & Alvarez aren't hitting a lick at AA, especially since they both played a lot at AAA last year.
Zack Collins and the pitching at AAA & AA are the big disappointment.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on April 25, 2017, 03:11:25 pm
Nicky Delmonico, 3B/1B, Chicago White Sox (Triple-A Charlotte)
In what was a heated spring competition to become the team’s designated hitter versus right-handed starting pitching, the White Sox went with the known commodity, former Phillie Cody Asche, over fellow lefty batters Delmonico and Danny Hayes. But with Asche’s subpar big league track record—he posted a .669 OPS in 371 games before the Phillies non-tendered him this past offseason—he wasn’t going to enter the season with much of a leash. And after a 2-for-35 start with the White Sox, his opportunity could be coming to and end.
Delmonico, a former 6th round draft pick of the Orioles who was traded to the Brewers in 2013 and released prior to the 2015 season, resurrected his career with a breakout 2016 season with the White Sox (.837 OPS, 17 HR, 30 2B between Double-A and Triple-A). While he fell short of making the 2017 Opening Day roster despite an impressive spring, he has continued to make noise down in Triple-A, where he’s slashing .328/.397/.492 after a 10-for-18 week in which he walked twice and struck out just one time. The 24-year-old will get a shot at some point in 2017 and it wouldn’t be a surprise if it happened before the end of April.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 26, 2017, 04:08:15 am
don't know what to think about Delmonico, seemed to finally learn to hit last year at AA.
Min, know what happened to little Mike Horejsei?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 26, 2017, 01:34:43 pm
I asked about him on the other site, someone said he is hurt. Not sure why not on a DL however.
I am not big on Delmonico, not sure why. Just a gut feeling I guess.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 26, 2017, 09:18:00 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 01, 2017, 11:02:43 am
Quote from: AKA Loveland
What "other site" MSF? Hurrrrmph!!!
Hey, I have been retired now for 6 years, all I do is take care of a deer herd in the woods behind our house. So I need a place to go to read about the Sox, and that site has a ton of young dudes trying to impress one another. Ya have to read thru the BS but there are some good posters with some interesting stats (the new crap that I have never learned, like Joey uses). There is not enough activity on this board, so I have to go there to get my fill.
You should post more Love, I miss chatting :-)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 02, 2017, 12:38:16 am
I'd like to see Tanner Banks moved up to AA soon.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 02, 2017, 09:01:15 am
The org has been playing a bit better the past few weeks.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 02, 2017, 09:30:59 am
Anyone know what's going on with Hunnie's son? Last game he played was when he homered to help beat Charlotte back on April 11th. He was replaced in the 7th and then went on the DL the next day. A google search shows no info on his injury or expected return time. Nor is there any info on the Durham Bulls site.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on May 02, 2017, 11:42:19 am
Anyone know what's going on with Hunnie's son? Last game he played was when he homered to help beat Charlotte back on April 11th. He was replaced in the 7th and then went on the DL the next day. A google search shows no info on his injury or expected return time. Nor is there any info on the Durham Bulls site.
He was just activated today. Maybe Big Hunnie opened up a can of whoop ass on Johnny for that homer?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 09, 2017, 02:27:49 am
wow, Giolito really sucks.
Micker Adolfo may finally have learned to hit.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 09, 2017, 09:06:42 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 09, 2017, 08:12:37 pm
Not before June 15th... i believe that is the date for an extra year of control.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 10, 2017, 03:24:40 pm
The way I understand it, they need to keep him in the minors until May 15th to get the extra year before arbitration. However, he would still run the risk of being a "Super Two". The longer he stays in the minors, the better the chance he is not a Super Two.
They may as well wait a bit; he is still only 21, could use more plate appearances, and needs to cut down on the strikeouts.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 10, 2017, 03:39:37 pm
Wait until the All-Star break to bring him up unless Frazier is traded or injured before then.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 11, 2017, 04:06:34 pm
A weird game last night in Durham, N.C. Hunnie's son was pressed into duty as a pitcher as the Durham Bulls went into extra innings. He ended up the losing pitcher as he gave up 3 runs in 1 1/3 innings. The "pitcher" who replaced him on the mound was another Durham position player. He was charged with 7 runs in 1/3 of a inning. He was replace by another position player who walked two but got the final out in the top of the 11th. The Columbus Clippers still had relief pitchers available and they ended up needing to use two of them as Durham scored 6 runs in the bottom of the 11th but Columbus held on to win 13-9.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 23, 2017, 11:10:55 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAhb1qbXYAE4VL6.jpg)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 23, 2017, 05:08:06 pm
this does not look like a 19 year old. (http://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20170522/SPORTS/170529659/AR/0/AR-170529659.jpg&updated=201705222131&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 23, 2017, 06:33:23 pm
this does not look like a 19 year old. (http://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20170522/SPORTS/170529659/AR/0/AR-170529659.jpg&updated=201705222131&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder)
Even though that was the pic the Daily Herald posted above their article, it's not a photo of Luis Robert.
It's one of the reasons I didn't use it in my post with the link to the Daily Herald article. You would have known that if you read the reader comments at the end of the DH article.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 23, 2017, 07:13:27 pm
Tough luck for Nick. He's a great kid. I first saw him pitch when he played on the 9-year old Downers Grove Longshots travel team which his dad Bob managed.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 27, 2017, 05:04:19 pm
so Black Hickman has moved from catcher to pitcher.
You mean Blake Hickman and not Black Hickman even though he is African-American. He made the switch from catcher to full-time pitcher while at the University of Iowa.
so Black Hickman has moved from catcher to pitcher.
Pitcher for our org all along. There was a Mike Hickman drafted the same year as Blake. He was a catcher. Blake (not Black) has always been a pitcher, or planned on it before being sidetracked by arm injury. Even Kannapolis had it wrong on their roster, amazingly. I wondered the same thing and a guy on SoxTalk straightened me out. What threw me off the most was he was both a pitcher and catcher at Iowa.
Cripes, I should have looked one post down.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 01, 2017, 06:05:16 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBRFvJ6XYAA0FeY.jpg)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 02, 2017, 05:44:17 am
Micker hit another homer last night.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 02, 2017, 09:18:38 pm
(http://www.csnchicago.com/sites/csnchicago/files/styles/third_1__desktop_large_2x_/public/2017/06/01/white_sox_minor_league_players_of_the_month_may.jpg?itok=a7ujRGPw×tamp=1496353029) White Sox recognize top prospects for May Kopech named Pitcher of the Month; Adolfo takes player honors
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2017, 08:34:14 pm
(https://milb.bamcontent.com/assets/images/3/4/8/87097348/cuts/Rodon_60bchz1l_zinafilu.jpg) Rodon to start opener of Tuesday's doubleheader for Winston-Salem
The 2017 MLB Rule 4 Draft starts in five days. There are a number of mock drafts out there and the consensus is the White Sox pick Vanderbilt OF Jeren Kendall. Sure hope they're wrong as reading this description of his abilities the words "a young Kenny Williams" and "Jared Mitchell - Part 2" unfortunately entered my head:
I'm kind of hoping U of Virginia 1Bman Pavin Smith falls to the White Sox. He has 12 HRs this season with only 8 strikeouts. It would be nice to have a LH power hitter that doesn't strike out in the lineup.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2017, 08:56:23 am
The 2017 MLB Rule 4 Draft starts in five days. There are a number of mock drafts out there and the consensus is the White Sox pick Vanderbilt OF Jeren Kendall. Sure hope they're wrong as reading this description of his abilities the words "a young Kenny Williams" and "Jared Mitchell - Part 2" unfortunately entered my head:
I'm kind of hoping U of Virginia 1Bman Pavin Smith falls to the White Sox. He has 12 HRs this season with only 8 strikeouts. It would be nice to have a LH power hitter that doesn't strike out in the lineup.
Yep, no more KW types please. You sure you want a 1Bman? In past 15 years only 3 or so 1st round picks that were 1Bmen have panned out and none of them were a Will Clark or a Frank Thomas.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2017, 01:10:45 pm
Yep, no more KW types please. You sure you want a 1Bman? In past 15 years only 3 or so 1st round picks that were 1Bmen have panned out and none of them were a Will Clark or a Frank Thomas.
That's easy to say when there has only been two college 1st basemen (and three HS 1Bman) drafted in the first 30 picks in the last 8 drafts combined. Of those five draftees, C. J. Cron & Casey Gillaspie were the college 1Bmen and Christian Yelich was one of the HS 1Bmen.
I'll admit, it's against the current trend of not drafting 1Bman in the first round but Pavin Smith is a pure hitter that rarely strikes out. If you look at Smith's college stats, his BA, BBs, HRs, OBP and SLG have increased in each of his three seasons while his Ks have dropped each year. A player that hits the ball when he swings at the pitch - now that would be nice to see in the White Sox lineup in the near future.
Besides, there isn't a 1Bman listed in the White Sox top 30 prospects according to mlb.com. Like I've said for the past five years or so, screw the "best athlete available with a potential high ceiling" and instead draft the "best baseball player". If there's a "better baseball player" than Pavin Smith still on the board when the White Sox pick, then draft him but Jeren Kendall, he of the 25+% K rate (72 strikeouts in 286 plate appearances) isn't it. A 25% K rate from a third season college hitter should raise red flags. Especially a player that doesn't have the "two-sport athlete" excuse.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2017, 08:07:38 am
Good points. I would rather him than an OF who Ks 1/3 of the time.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 12, 2017, 04:06:40 pm
Remember Bryce Montes de Orca? He was the H.S. pitcher the White Sox drafted 3 years ago but didn't sign. He dropped in the draft (14th round) due to injury but was considered to have 1st or 2nd round talent. He wanted $1 million to forgo his scholarship to Mizzou and sign but Scott Boras demanded all of the remaining White Sox pool money plus the maximum overage for Carlos Rodon. Well, Bryce is back in the draft, wasn't picked tonight and it'll be interesting if the Sox re-draft him. He was rated the 146th best prospect this year by Baseball America and MLB.com has him at 89.
http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft-preview/
https://www.mlb.com/draft/tracker/undrafted
Here's an article on Bryce from three years ago when he was drafted by the White Sox:
The University of New Mexico has had three players taken in the top three rounds of the regular June Draft in its history, none of whom have played a game in the big leagues. The most recent is 2013 first-rounder D.J. Peterson, and while Gonzalez won't approach Peterson's spot at No. 12 overall, he has the chance to be the highest-drafted Lobos player since then. Gonzalez is a talented two-way player for New Mexico, one who will bump 90 mph on the mound. But his future is undoubtedly in the outfield, where he has the athleticism to stay in center field for a while. He has a tick above-average speed, sometimes showing plus, with very good range in the outfield and an average arm to go with it. His defense plays up because of his instincts. He's hit for average throughout his college career and has more walks than strikeouts, with a firm understanding that his job is to get on base. There is some pull power there, though it's not a huge part of his game. Gonzalez gets high marks for his makeup and competitiveness on the field. Scouts do pause a bit because of the lack of success of New Mexico hitters at the next level. But Gonzalez has the skill set that should translate to being a good fourth outfielder on a championship-caliber team or an everyday center fielder in other lineups, with a comp to big league outfielder Ender Inciarte.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 13, 2017, 01:05:53 pm
Keith Law's latest (subscription required) has the Cubs selecting CFer Luis Gonzalez out of the University of New Mexico. Gonzalez is a college hitter with the kind of approach the Cubs love (58 walks, 32 strikeouts) and he has put up big numbers, albeit in a hitter friendly environment. Gonzalez is hitting .361/.500/.589 with 8 HRs. He also has stolen 32 bases in 32 tries over the last two seasons. He's not a burner but he has the OBP skills and above average speed, so he can potentially fill the Cubs leadoff void, especially with top leadoff prospect DJ Wilson struggling this season and then getting hurt. There is a question of whether Gonzales can stick in CF, but as we have noted in the past, Wrigley Field can be friendly to CFers because of the shorter gaps. Baseball America ranks him 87th...
Henzman overcame Tommy John surgery as a high school junior in 2013 to make an immediate impact as a freshman reliever at Louisville two years later. After an inconsistent 2016 season, he turned down the Mariners as a sophomore-eligible 31st-rounder and has taken over from White Sox first-rounder Zack Burdi as the Cardinals' closer. Henzman tied for the NCAA Division I lead with 16 saves entering the regional playoffs. When Henzman keeps his 90-95 mph fastball down in the zone, it's almost impossible for hitters to lift. His changeup has similar action, behaving like a splitter, and grades as a plus pitch at times. His cutter climbs into the upper 80s and is an effective third offering. Henzman blitzes the bottom of the strike zone and has permitted just one homer in three college seasons. He could move quickly through the Minors as a reliever, but he also had success as a starter in the Cape Cod League last summer and could get a shot in that role. He has enough pitches to work out of the rotation, though he'd have to prove he could maintain his velocity with a heavier workload.
http://www.gocards.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=6781
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCOH4ToXoAAbuRw.jpg)
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 13, 2017, 01:19:38 pm
I'm hoping Evan Skoug the catcher from TCU is still there when the White Sox pick in the next round. He's a local boy as he's from Libertyville, IL Baseball America has him ranked the 78th best draft prospect.
After pitching just 7 2/3 innings as a freshman in 2015, Johnson emerged as the closer for South Carolina and the U.S. collegiate national team last year. He also struck out 11 in a complete-game five-hitter in his lone college start in the NCAA regional playoffs and some scouts thought he might be able to handle a move to the rotation full-time. The Gamecocks have plenty of pitching depth, however, so they've kept him in the bullpen. Johnson is well equipped to handle the late innings. He operates with a 92-97 mph fastball that reaches 99, and while it doesn't feature a lot of life, he commands it well. He backs it up with a hard slider that peaks at 85 mph with nice bite when it's on, though it gets slurvy at times. Johnson has the makings of a changeup, though he doesn't use it much as a reliever and will have to refine it if a pro team decides to deploy him as a starter. Though he has the athleticism to handle a shift to the rotation, that may be less likely to happen after he missed six weeks this spring with a sore arm. When he returned to the mound in mid-April, his fastball sat at 93-97 mph.
Baseball America ranked him as the 78th best draft prospect and MLB.com had him at #48. Getting him at pick #207 could be a steal!
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from MLB.com:
Scouts rated Skoug as a top-three-rounds talent as an Illinois high schooler in the 2014 Draft, but he plummeted to the Nationals in the 34th round because he was set on attending Texas Christian. He immediately batted cleanup for the Horned Frogs and helped them reach the College World Series in each of his first two seasons. He slumped horribly in the first third of his junior year, hurting his chances of becoming the first TCU position player ever taken in the first round, though he did rebound and shared co-Big 12 Conference player of the year honors. Skoug's offense definitely grades out better than his defense. With his compact left-handed swing, impressive strength and good bat speed, he drives the ball to all fields. He's similar to 2016 Angels first-rounder Matt Thaiss, with Skoug offering a little less batting average and a little more power. Thaiss shifted from catcher to first base as soon as he turned pro, and while Skoug is better behind the plate, scouts believe his limited athleticism and quickness may force him to make the same move. He's an adequate to average defender whose quick release helps him get the most out of his fringy arm strength. He earns praise for his work ethic and leadership skills.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 13, 2017, 04:43:58 pm
With their 9th round pick (#267 overall - slot vale $143K) the White Sox select Craig Dedelow, an LHH OFer from Indiana University
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca4IBLAWcAEsnD8.jpg)
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from MLB.com:
Dedelow, who was drafted in the 34th round by the Pirates last year, traded average for power during his senior season with Indiana. The 6-foot-4, 194-pound outfielder hit just 12 homers in his first three years for the Hoosiers before breaking out with 17 bombs in his final year. His 51 RBIs were a career high, but he hit just .254. He can play all three outfield positions.
He's a senior so he has no bargaining power and they probably overdrafted him to use some of his SV on one of their other picks. He's also from the Chicagoland area - Munster, IN.
With their 10th round pick (#297 overall - slot value $134.4) the White Sox select JB Olson, a RHP from the University of Oklahoma. He's another college senior with no signing leverage so hopefully some of his slot money will be used on another draftee.
Though Kincanon posted a 5.24 ERA this spring at Indiana State, he possesses an intriguing arsenal that continues to attract scouts. The Dodgers drafted him in the 29th round out of Triton (Ill.) JC last year and he'll go in the single-digit rounds this time around. He helped his cause by allowing a total of two runs in four April starts, though he faltered down the stretch. At his best, Kincanon works at 92-94 mph and can touch 97 with a heavy fastball that misses bats and generates groundouts. Both his slider and changeup can flash as plus offerings, and he has shown the ability to get swings and misses with each of them. He lacks consistency, however, and there are days when he's hittable and quickly runs up high pitch counts because he doesn't command his stuff. Kincanon will get the opportunity to make it as a starter in pro ball but will wind up as a reliever unless he improves his ability to locate his pitches. His already impressive stuff should play up a bit in shorter stints, giving him a chance to become a high-leverage bullpen option.
Kincanon is a local kid - from Riverside, IL - went to Triton CC before Indiana State.
http://www.gosycamores.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4327
https://twitter.com/the_cannon27
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2017, 12:01:26 pm
White Sox draft picks rounds 12-15:
Rd Pick Player School Pos B/T Class Player Info 12 357 Justin Yurchak SUNY - Binghampton 3B L/R JR 6'1" 204lbs DOB: 09/17/96 13 387 Tate Blackman Ole Miss 2B R/R JR 6'0" 185lbs DOB: 09/07/94 14 417 Alex Destino South Carolina OF L/L JR 6'2" 215lbs DOB: 10/24/95 15 447 Tyler Frost Gonzaga University CF L/R JR 5'10" 183lbs DOB: 11/21/95
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2017, 12:19:32 pm
some White Sox scout must love Louisville. Their 16th round pick is the 3rd player they chose this year from the school:
Indiana State is another one they hit hard beside the Ville. Omogrosso and a couple of minor league outfielders, one being Shoemaker, were from there. And the pitcher this year. Spread over some years, but they seem to go back.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2017, 12:53:11 pm
You asked about Illinois recruiting earlier, their top assistant left for the Ville 3 years ago, then they replaced him with another guy who left after 1 year to be head coach at NW.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 14, 2017, 01:31:52 pm
It'll be interesting to see if any Illini players are drafted. I first saw their 1Bman Pat McInernery when he was 10 years old playing for the Oak Brook Little League® and their travel team. He was like Babe Ruth versus the competition. He had a great career at Benet Academy too. Hope someone takes a shot on drafting him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2017, 01:47:47 pm
Jeez we've drafted like 11 straight college seniors - one even a 5th year player. not good.
After round 15 or so, the 'better' HS players and college Juniors left on the board more often than not decide to go back to school rather than sign since $100K is the max they can be offered without penalty to the drafting team. Any overage over $100K is charged against the drafting team's pool total. That's why you see so many college seniors as they have no college eligibility left and thus no bargaining power. The college seniors only choices are: wait out a year and go to grad school, sign with an independent league, sign with the MLB organization that drafted them or get a real job.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2017, 03:33:01 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 14, 2017, 05:55:43 pm
Disappointment of this draft is going to be passing on Carlson in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2017, 07:14:56 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuTncQ_IYAEwn4U.jpg)
Bryce Montes de Orca was the White Sox 14th round selection in the 2014 MLB Draft. He didn't sign because he wanted $1 million to give up his scholarship to Mizzou and Scott Boras demanded all the remaining pool money plus the acceptable penalty for Carlos Rodon. de Orca was drafted today by the Washington Nationals in the 15th round (overall pick #463). It'll be interesting to see if he signs since any amount over $100K will be charged against the Nationals total pool money. He'll probably go back to Mizzou for his senior year and hope for a big season for the chance to get paid REAL money.
Wonder who his 'advisor' (AKA future agent) is? Hope it's not Boras as he screwed him 3 years ago.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 14, 2017, 07:32:53 pm
Disappointment of this draft is going to be passing on Carlson in the 2nd.
I'm not sure Sam Carlson will sign with the Mariners unless they offer him significantly above his slot value. He was rated the 15th best prospect by MLB.com. 15th pick slot value this year is $3,588,200 and he was taken 55th where the slot value is $1,206,900. That's over $2.35 million less than he expected. I'm pretty sure more than one team asked him prior to the draft what it would take to sign now and they thought it was unrealistic or he wouldn't have drpped to #55. I'd be surprised if he accepts less than $2 million from Seattle and that is $800K over slot value. He might just take that Florida scholarship and try again in three years. Or better yet go to a top tier JUCO like Chipola and have the chance to re-enter the draft in each of the next two years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 15, 2017, 10:22:57 am
According to the transaction page on WhiteSox.com, the White Sox signed ten draft picks and one undrafted free agent. Their signed picks are from the 3rd, 5th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th and 29th round. The undrafted free agent pitched in the Frontier League for the Windy City ThunderBolts.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 20, 2017, 10:51:48 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCxlyH2VYAAeWo_.jpg)
Michael Kopech of Class AA Birmingham is the North Division starting pitcher for tonight’s Southern League All-Star Game in Pensacola, FL. Kopech’s Barons teammate Jordan Guerrero joins him on the North All-Star squad. Guerrero was named Southern League Pitcher of the Week for the period of June 12–18. The lefty recorded his first career complete game and shutout on June 13 vs. Mobile, allowing two hits in a 7–0 victory. He leads the Southern League with 88 strikeouts, two more than Kopech.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 20, 2017, 11:00:55 am
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/5efbeb30b70b127038b115301f24cb567953c5d3/c=410-0-4839-3330&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/2017/02/13/Springfield/Springfield/636225967093840742-Burger2.jpg) White Sox reportedly agree with 1st-rounder No. 11 overall selection Burger in line for $3.7M signing bonus
According to the transaction page on WhiteSox.com, the White Sox signed ten draft picks and one undrafted free agent. Their signed picks are from the 3rd, 5th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th and 29th round. The undrafted free agent pitched in the Frontier League for the Windy City ThunderBolts.
Wow, #'s 1,3,8,9 all signed for well under slot. Skoug gonna get his money?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 21, 2017, 07:43:08 pm
According to the transaction page on WhiteSox.com, the White Sox signed ten draft picks and one undrafted free agent. Their signed picks are from the 3rd, 5th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th and 29th round. The undrafted free agent pitched in the Frontier League for the Windy City ThunderBolts.
Wow, #'s 1,3,8,9 all signed for well under slot. Skoug gonna get his money?
I do not think he deserves over his slot. He had a not so good year. Defense is not good either.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 21, 2017, 07:52:50 pm
I see our #2 pick, Gavan Sheets, signed for $700 k over his slot. Did he deserve that?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 22, 2017, 06:37:16 pm
I see our #2 pick, Gavan Sheets, signed for $700 k over his slot. Did he deserve that?
Not in my opinion.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 22, 2017, 08:53:14 pm
looks like sox signed everyone except those playing in the CWS.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 22, 2017, 08:55:26 pm
I imagine the Abbott kid will be going to college on a water polo scholarship & playing for the Sox in the summer.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 23, 2017, 02:07:30 am
Zack Collins now hitting .215 in A ball. Another 1st round bust.
the great Basabe also hitting .215 in A ball.
Alex Call hasn't played in over 2 months. He must have a major injury Sox are hiding.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 23, 2017, 07:24:02 am
Should have taken sam in the 2nd. And taken the penalty to get him signed!
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 24, 2017, 11:06:00 pm
An ugly game tonight for Charlotte. Dane Dunning's older brother Jake had a Shields-like performance. He faced ten batters. He didn't get anyone out and all 10 scored in the 4th. Hunnie's son hit a 3-run homer in the 4th off of Matt Purke as the Durham Bulls kick the Knights butts 17-3.
Zack Collins now hitting .215 in A ball. Another 1st round bust.
the great Basabe also hitting .215 in A ball.
Alex Call hasn't played in over 2 months. He must have a major injury Sox are hiding.
I agree that Collins is a bust. I did not like that pick, just cannot pick a catcher in the 1st round unless he is Buster Posey or someone like that. At least this year we seem to be taking guys who make contact, we wasted a lot of good draft picks on guys who swing and miss too much.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 28, 2017, 02:53:27 pm
Dane Dunning's older brother Jake released by the Charlotte Knights:
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Post by: ISF on June 30, 2017, 12:33:19 pm
Disagree about Collins. He is flashing power and good strike zone judgement. I think it highly unlikely he's a .210 hitter long-term. My questions on him relate to the defensive side of the ball. Can he be good enough defensively? Pitch-framing, throwing out basestealers, blocking the plate, calling a game...if he can do those things well, the bat will be above replacement level.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 01, 2017, 01:40:13 am
you're right, he's not hitting .210 - he's hitting .208.
it's A ball & he didn't hit last year.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 01, 2017, 08:45:53 am
ex Sox Rob Brantly back with Charlotte after cut by Louisville despite hitting .298. Wonder what the story is.
Poor Charlie Tilson has stress fx in his foot. Jeez, snakebit.
Alex Call finally back, on rehab assignment in Arizona rookie ball.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 01, 2017, 01:43:57 pm
Poor Charlie Tilson has stress fx in his foot. Jeez, snakebit.
I don't get their reasoning for starting Tilson off this season on the major league 10-day DL before transferring him to the 60-day DL. They should have sent him to Triple-A and DLed him there. By putting him on the MLB roster, he's accumulating MLB service time so if he ever recovers and amounts to something, he'll be arbitration eligible and reach free agency a year earlier than necessary. The MLB DL status also guarantees him a MLB salary (though I'm sure his is the MLB minimum of $536K). By having him on Charlotte's roster they would have save over $450K in salary for the year (a player in Triple-A in his second year on the 40-man roster makes $82,700 salary for the year) .
The only reason I can see for their action was to not lose an option year on him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 01, 2017, 11:32:36 pm
Andy, Tilson went on the DL while on the major league 25 roster - I think there's a rule prohibiting the Sox from taking him off the roster until He's healthy and gone thru a rehab stint - which Tilson has been unable to do.
This is why guys who have Tommy John surgery aren't taken off the MLB roster & put on a minor league roster.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 02, 2017, 07:33:32 am
Mn, what the heck happened to Corey Zangari?
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Post by: msf on July 03, 2017, 07:40:50 am
you're right, he's not hitting .210 - he's hitting .208.
it's A ball & he didn't hit last year.
The difference between .208 and .210 is, statistically speaking, negligible. Again, his BB numbers indicate his average will be better and the bat will play at higher levels. He OPS'ed .786 between 2 levels last year and is currently at .761 this year. Our current catchers are at .677 and .601. So they could promote him tomorrow and he would be the best hitting catcher on our roster.
There is no valid reason for giving up on a player with his draft pedigree after a year and a half. Especially at the C position, where many players peak later.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 03, 2017, 01:04:34 pm
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Post by: BillSharp on July 03, 2017, 06:17:12 pm
Iowa, I'm not giving up on Stewart - just accepting the reality that he has been a terrible disappointment - just like Fulmer appears to have been another bad pick - esp. as Ian Happ was picked by the cubs just after the Fulmer pick.
I accept the reality that the sox scouting is the laughing stock of baseball. Dice it any way you want - a .206 BA is what it is even with rose colored glasses.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 07, 2017, 01:24:17 pm
For baseball players on the roster bubble, it's like they live in a revolving door
...and there is no mention on the University of Louisville baseball website on their return to college for next year.
...and Lincoln Henzman's twitter feed has a link to his instagram page showing him signing his pro contract:
https://twitter.com/lhenzz17
...and here's a photo of Kade McClure signing his pro contract:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDczAq9VoAQmaw0.jpg)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 09, 2017, 12:44:02 pm
Well, that Jake Burger kid can apparently hit...
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Post by: BillSharp on July 09, 2017, 06:11:55 pm
thanks Andy, the 2 pitchers from Louisville are not listed as signed on the draft list at the Sox MLB web site for some reason.
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Post by: msf on July 10, 2017, 09:16:35 pm
Andy, McInerny signed with a team as a NDFA, he is doing quite well. Hit his 5th homer thus far this evening against AZL White Sox in the 1st inning. Here are his stats
"Rick Hahn deserves a lot of credit for the moves he’s made in rebuilding the White Sox, and the team certainly has a brighter future now than they did at the end of last year. That said, there’s also a pretty clear pattern emerging among the guys the White Sox have acquired; the perceived upside outstrips the actual performance record right now. Put simply, the White Sox have repeatedly bet on guys whose hype isn’t quite yet supported by actual performance." ...
"Obviously, there are risks with every prospect, and saying that a bunch of them are going to fail isn’t breaking news. But it’s notable that the White Sox have landed risky prospects even by prospect standards, and the performance records of the guys Hahn has been acquiring don’t yet match up with their prospect rankings. For these deals to work out as well as the White Sox hope, their player development system is going to have to take some raw materials and turn them into polished big leaguers."
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 21, 2017, 11:35:49 am
Just ridiculous. Pretty universal from people who follow prospects that its the best in baseball. Would love to read what they wrote about Alcantara, Soler, Schwarber, Edwards, Baez and Contreras.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on July 21, 2017, 12:04:39 pm
i think its spot on. we went after high ceiling guys... that are going to be boom or bust.
Cameron doesnt think very highly of Schwarber, didnt like Soler either. He is a fan of baez for his defensive abilities.
All the prospect guys i read agree with cameron's assessment. Jeff Sullivan, Eno sarris, Baseball prospectus. all believe we went for boom or bust players. They all have tremendous tools, but also have some serious flaws.
Soler is exactly who i see in Moncada, guy who has all the tools and crushes it in BP, but will struggle against major league breaking balls.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 21, 2017, 01:21:05 pm
Just so wrong and not logical at all. Almost all these guys are high floor. You think Kopech is All-Star or bust? No chance he is solid .#3 type?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on July 21, 2017, 01:33:17 pm
his floor isnt #3 starter, its a guy who never finds the plate and ends up in the BP.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 24, 2017, 03:29:50 pm
Since joining the #WhiteSox, Eloy Jimenez is hitting .452/.514/.806(!). Now hitting .301/.378/.543 as a 20 year-old in A+. That will work!
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Post by: josephc on July 25, 2017, 10:14:16 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 28, 2017, 03:28:34 pm
In his first 50 ABs in Kanny, Jake Burger hit .360 with a 1.038 OPS.
Nice early returns...
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Post by: aka Loveland on July 28, 2017, 05:49:20 pm
Here you go farm geeks. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.talkingchop.com/platform/amp/2017/7/19/15995240/atlanta-braves-chicago-white-sox-minor-league-system-comparison#ampshare=https://www.talkingchop.com/2017/7/19/15995240/atlanta-braves-chicago-white-sox-minor-league-system-comparison
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 29, 2017, 09:44:26 am
Wow, interesting.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 29, 2017, 10:01:49 am
After a very bad start Jake Peter finally got his BA to .270 in AA & was promoted to AAA where he's been tearing the cover off the ball.
He's got a future.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 29, 2017, 10:18:24 am
Like Peter, Olympic skater Eddie Alvarez ended last year at AAA, but was demoted back to AA this year. And like Peter he started off in a terrible slump. He's only gotten his BA to .234 but has been promoted to AAA anyway.
Before this year I always thought he was a good bet to make it as a utility inf., a Greg Grebeck type, but this year has been a real setback & at his age he really couldn't afford a bad year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 29, 2017, 01:19:48 pm
Interesting piece but the guy shows his ignorance of Sox prospects when he pegs Lopez as a future reliever
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on July 30, 2017, 08:34:16 pm
Sam Carlson signed for 2 million... Sheets signed for the same... We really passed on the wrong player.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 01, 2017, 03:06:43 pm
Just a Bit Outside - Prospects who just missed our Midseason Top 30
Sam Carlson signed for 2 million... Sheets signed for the same... We really passed on the wrong player.
Hilarious. You, the ace prospect evaluator, have already decided Sam Carlson would have been the better pick. What in Carlson's THREE WHOLE INNINGS of AZ Rookie League professional baseball experience helped you come to that conclusion? The .364 BA against or the 1.33 WHIP? LOL
BTW, ANYBODY who decides any player was the "wrong pick" before the player was released or at the minimum has spent 15 months in the minors is jumping to conclusions and tryng to justify their initial bias.
Sam Carlson: http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=672277#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL
Guy outside the top 30 is on the big league roster. Amazing
Three guys outside that ChicagoNow FutureSox top 30 list are now on the active roster. - Goldberg, Delmonico & Bummer.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 02, 2017, 08:52:43 am
Yeah, the analysis by the Braves fan isn't terrible, but there is no way you can rate a 20-30 prospect over a guy that is already contributing at the mlb level. The whole point of being a prospect is that you MIGHT do that.
Braves probably still have a tad bit more depth, but we've added Gillaspie and Puckett since that writing. We have more top level prospects and the depth is similar. I just don't see the argument for Atlanta at this point.
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Post by: Method on August 04, 2017, 08:15:30 am
Sam Carlson signed for 2 million... Sheets signed for the same... We really passed on the wrong player.
Hilarious. You, the ace prospect evaluator, have already decided Sam Carlson would have been the better pick. What in Carlson's THREE WHOLE INNINGS of AZ Rookie League professional baseball experience helped you come to that conclusion? The .364 BA against or the 1.33 WHIP? LOL
BTW, ANYBODY who decides any player was the "wrong pick" before the player was released or at the minimum has spent 15 months in the minors is jumping to conclusions and tryng to justify their initial bias.
Sam Carlson: http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=672277#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL
It isnt about my ACE prospector status, it was industry concesus that sam was a top 20 pick... he fell to us in the second and we passed for someone that we reached on.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 04, 2017, 12:39:52 pm
Midseason ranking of MLB's Top 10 farm systems After major prospect haul at Trade Deadline, rebuilding White Sox lead list, followed by Braves
Sam Carlson signed for 2 million... Sheets signed for the same... We really passed on the wrong player.
Hilarious. You, the ace prospect evaluator, have already decided Sam Carlson would have been the better pick. What in Carlson's THREE WHOLE INNINGS of AZ Rookie League professional baseball experience helped you come to that conclusion? The .364 BA against or the 1.33 WHIP? LOL
BTW, ANYBODY who decides any player was the "wrong pick" before the player was released or at the minimum has spent 15 months in the minors is jumping to conclusions and tryng to justify their initial bias.
Sam Carlson: http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=672277#/career/R/pitching/2017/ALL
It isnt about my ACE prospector status, it was industry concesus that sam was a top 20 pick... he fell to us in the second and we passed for someone that we reached on.
My 2 cents worth, rather have Carlson than Sheets, not that I mind sheets.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on August 05, 2017, 07:31:05 am
MSF = concise
Andy gave us about $4 worth
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 05, 2017, 01:55:01 pm
My 2 cents worth, rather have Carlson than Sheets, not that I mind sheets.
Sure you prefer Carlson as he's from Minnesota. ;D
I've noticed it'll be three weeks on Tuesday since Carlson last appeared in a game. He's had two appearances for a total of three innings pitched for the Mariners Arizona League team since he signed.
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Post by: msf on August 05, 2017, 08:47:12 pm
Had not heard that, he has a younger brother who is one of the highest rated kids in his class, which is maybe 2020 or 2021. I would guess he is either hurt or they shut him down due to innings, but doubt he threw that much in the HS season, they do not play a ton of games up here.
I do like him since I am in Minny, but mainly due to hearing so much about him.
Hard to tell if hurt, they never put folks on the DL in rookie leagues, since they have such large rosters they really have no need to shelve someone and pick up someone else. So my normal means of checking on things of this nature are not working. I will keep my eyes and ears open.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 06, 2017, 12:29:22 am
msf, interesting pitching line at Kannap tonight
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Post by: Shoeless on August 06, 2017, 08:34:38 am
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Post by: BlackSox on August 06, 2017, 10:51:39 pm
The Three Horsemen?
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Post by: Shoeless on August 07, 2017, 12:20:49 am
Good one but add Lopez and Dunning for the five
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 09, 2017, 09:34:33 pm
Saw Winston Salem in Frederick MD tonight. Eloy looked tremendous in each at bat, Seby Z also looked good on offense, but not on D. Yrizarri looked good. Zack C did not play. and finally, AJ Puckett looked like crap the first two innings, but then totally turned it around and looked great his next two innings. I think he just came off of the disabled list.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 09, 2017, 10:44:22 pm
Bring up Eloy!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 09, 2017, 10:50:37 pm
I'm beginning to think Eloy may be the best guy we got in all the trades. Who really knows, but I got a good feeling about him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 09, 2017, 11:07:28 pm
Juan, can you tell us anything about any of the other Dash pitchers - Hasler, Hamilton or Foster?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 10, 2017, 11:57:57 pm
Micker on fire. HR #16.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 11, 2017, 09:35:30 pm
Sharpie, I left the game after Hastings pitched, he looked mediocre.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on August 14, 2017, 07:39:43 am
Delmonico has "it". And I never remember any of you farm heads talking about him. I'm I'm claiming him btw. My first guy since Crede
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 14, 2017, 09:14:29 am
Delmonico has "it". And I never remember any of you farm heads talking about him. I'm I'm claiming him btw. My first guy since Crede
You need to discuss this with Aaron Rowand, who announced during tonight's game the same thing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 16, 2017, 09:22:08 pm
Eloy Jimenez homers to RF in his first at-bat at Double-A. #WhiteSox
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 16, 2017, 09:23:15 pm
Lucas Giolito tonight vs. Toledo: 6 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 7 K, 96 pitches.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 16, 2017, 09:23:45 pm
Zack Collins with a 407-foot solo home run at Double-A. #WhiteSox
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 16, 2017, 09:25:58 pm
Eloy Jimenez doubled to deep CF in his second at-bat. The exit velo was 109 mph. #WhiteSox
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 16, 2017, 11:33:54 pm
Sox have a 17 year old catcher in the Dominican league whose numbers are really impressive - Klyder Sanchez.
Sox have a lefty reliever at AA named Kyle Kubat who interests me. Undrafted out of college, signed by KC, plays 2 years for KC, gets traded to Sox this spring & is promoted twice. Career minor league stats good.
22 yr old Luis Martinez finally seems to be having a good year - it's only at Kannap, but it may be a sign that his former elevated prospect rating weren't so crazy after all.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 16, 2017, 11:57:48 pm
Love, Delmonico was drafted by Baltimore. He was traded to Milwaukee. He was cut by Milwaukee. He only has a career minor league average of .257.
Last year I noted that he appeared to have finally learned how to hit. This year, noting a fairly good start, I admitted that I really was perplexed on how to judge his prospect status. I wish he were a better fielding 3rd baseman - it would make him so much more valuable.
my sister-in-law also thinks he's hot.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on August 17, 2017, 01:19:12 am
Haha. I didn't say whether I think he is not or not.the lack of tats though.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on August 17, 2017, 01:04:41 pm
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Post by: Shoeless on August 18, 2017, 07:16:07 am
3 more hits for Eloy
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Post by: BillSharp on August 24, 2017, 11:40:00 pm
Grant Massey pitched again and won, wonder if he's being moved to the mound.
I suspect Jimmy Lambert has something wrong with his arm.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 25, 2017, 07:05:37 am
Massey has been amazing, he is not a bad ss/2Bman either, but that is two real good efforts out of the pen in extra innings. 3 shutout innings last night.
I have never thought that much of Lambert, but maybe he is ailing. 5-5 last night for Burger, cycle. His 5th hit was a bunt single
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 26, 2017, 09:59:44 am
Kopech, Banks & Luis Martinez pitching tonight.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 29, 2017, 12:51:00 pm
Collins OPSing 1.109 since promotion to Birmingham...more walks than Ks...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 29, 2017, 03:23:57 pm
Needed more ABs at A balll
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Post by: BlackSox on August 29, 2017, 07:15:37 pm
Burger (or Burgs, as I call him) with another homer tonight.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 29, 2017, 09:57:05 pm
Eloy 3 hits. .368. We'll likely see him next season
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 29, 2017, 10:34:20 pm
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/AzFallLeagueLogo.jpeg) Covey, Polo, Foster among White Sox AFL crew
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 30, 2017, 06:28:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/KI1kgVf.jpg)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 31, 2017, 12:51:41 am
look at Kopech's stats - one thing sticks out like a sore thumb - his walk per 9 innings is over 4.5 not only for this year, but for his career.
That's bad. Giolito exhibited the same problem.
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Post by: msf on August 31, 2017, 12:24:43 pm
Nah, when he is on, Kopech is almost untouchable. You look at his last 10 starts, no where even close to that number of walks. In fact, 19 walks in last 10 starts. 1.9 per. 65 walks in 24 starts. Jesus Bill, where you getting your numbers?
What worries me is that his walks per 9 is really consistent thuout his career.
Giolito's W/9 at AAA this yr was 4.13.
Yeah, ok. They will need to improve that number, if they stay in the bigs the consistency of umpiring helps some in that, but still up to the pitcher to gain that control. Kopech is what, 20? 21?, color me not concerned. Giolito I think has a chance to be a good rotation guy, like a Floyd. If this new pitching motion continues to work as he gets more and more comfortable maybe he becomes better than a Floyd, hard to say. He has the stuff. Lopez is one I would like to see in the pen, either closing or setting up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 31, 2017, 03:41:12 pm
I dunno, I'll give Lopez every chance to start. I really dislike the present team because the starting pitching is so crappy. You wanna go to the playoffs on a regular basis - starting pitching is the key.
I'm hoping Burdi comes back strong & this Burr guy becomes another power arm in the pen.
I actually am every optimistic about the relievers we have in the minors.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on August 31, 2017, 08:46:39 pm
I dunno, I'll give Lopez every chance to start. I really dislike the present team because the starting pitching is so crappy. You wanna go to the playoffs on a regular basis - starting pitching is the key.
I'm hoping Burdi comes back strong & this Burr guy becomes another power arm in the pen.
I actually am every optimistic about the relievers we have in the minors.
Is one of those guys Fulmer?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on September 01, 2017, 03:00:19 am
no! don't like Fulmer at all.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 01, 2017, 08:32:43 am
Fulmer is a bust, no two ways around it. He cannot even be a reliever in my opinion.
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Post by: Shoeless on September 02, 2017, 01:43:30 pm
Kopech. 5 innings, O walks, 7 Ks, 2 runs
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Post by: BillSharp on September 03, 2017, 11:52:34 pm
Winston - Salem - Dale Dunning threw a 1 hit 7 inning shutout with no walks.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 04, 2017, 10:41:26 pm
for the first time this year I looked at the standings in the minor leagues -
Charlotte - last in their division Birmingham - last in their division Winston/Salem - 2nd to last Kannapolis - last in their division
What the hell?
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Post by: Shoeless on September 05, 2017, 06:44:31 am
Kann won first half
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Post by: msf on September 05, 2017, 08:12:21 am
for the first time this year I looked at the standings in the minor leagues -
Charlotte - last in their division Birmingham - last in their division Winston/Salem - 2nd to last Kannapolis - last in their division
What the hell?
All 7 Twins affiliates made the playoffs in their respective league. Also, Great Falls lousier than normal, however the Zona White Sox and the Dominican Summer League White Sox teams were better than usual
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 05, 2017, 09:23:50 am
Braves and Sox are top 2 systems. Their MiLB teams all suhked.
Dunning...19 Ks, 3 hits, 2 runs, 2 Ws over last 13 innings.
Sure he does. He throws a lot of pitches, never gets deep into a game. Closing or setup might make him concentrate better and make better use of his pitches. I think he throws hard enough and typically a guy adds a bit to his FB when relieving.
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Post by: Shoeless on September 05, 2017, 05:04:15 pm
I'll bet he never closes
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Post by: Method on September 05, 2017, 08:31:29 pm
Hes got command of a FB and change that say he can close. I think he'll do well in that role.
Hansen might end up being the best of that bunch.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on September 06, 2017, 10:16:26 pm
I disagree about R Lopez, he will be a solid starter, but on Henson, here is what K Law says "Hansen still has a ways to go in terms of command, but he already has made substantial progress since the White Sox drafted him in the second round 15 months ago, enough that if we redid that 2016 draft he'd probably go among the top 10 picks."
So while the screw up on F Tatis hurts, Henson offsets that. You can't win them all.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 07, 2017, 03:20:28 pm
Forget that Kopech is only 20. Think he becomes the ace
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on September 08, 2017, 10:21:19 pm
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Post by: msf on October 20, 2017, 07:42:49 am
Lost 5-1
Fry had one perfect inning in relief, Polo went 0-4 again, Mendick was 0-4 and Zavala went 2-3.
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Post by: SoxRule on October 20, 2017, 01:10:00 pm
Thanks Theo for Eloy. Hope you enjoyed Q tonight. I know Loveland did.
Before last night Q had been pitching verywell. No matter what he does for the Cubs I am happy with the trade. I know Eloy hasn't proven anything yet but I would be very surprised if he were a complete bust. He's looking like a hitting monster so far and if that does translate to what we think he could be in MLB, I would not regret this trade one minute. The Sox need some serious thunder in the lineup and Jimenez looks like he will provide it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on October 23, 2017, 02:51:49 pm
My burning question is does Eloy make the starting lineup in April of 18? I sure wouldn't be shocked. I think he is good enough but I wonder if the Sox want to push the rebuild that fast.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on October 23, 2017, 02:56:40 pm
No way. If for nothing then due to service time games and to prevent him from being a super 2. end of may or june at the earliest.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on October 23, 2017, 02:57:22 pm
I hope we keep purging the payroll this coming here. 2018's FA class is epic. Would love to add a Machado/Harper/Kershaw to the rebuild.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: SoxRule on October 23, 2017, 03:29:08 pm
Would love to add a Machado/Harper/Kershaw to the rebuild.
The Sox will have a ton of money to spend but they're not handing out mega million contracts to any of these players. They don't have the type of payroll to be able to sustain it long term or cover it up if ends up being a mistake. It'll be the usual teams that will hand out those crazy contracts that will end up being an albatross in a few years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on October 24, 2017, 08:45:29 pm
Would love to add a Machado/Harper/Kershaw to the rebuild.
The Sox will have a ton of money to spend but they're not handing out mega million contracts to any of these players. They don't have the type of payroll to be able to sustain it long term or cover it up if ends up being a mistake. It'll be the usual teams that will hand out those crazy contracts that will end up being an albatross in a few years.
I think you are short sited. Thinking about it more... offer one of them 200 for 5 years.
For harper/Machado its worth it based on their age. For Kerhsaw its worth it to have the best baseball player on any planet in this universe.
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Post by: Method on October 24, 2017, 08:54:11 pm
FYI altuve disagrees with my view on bestest player possoble.
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Post by: SoxRule on October 25, 2017, 08:08:18 am
I will be more than happy to be wrong. Letting ourselves dream for a moment, if the Sox were to splurge I would want it to be on Machado. Harper's a **** and although Kershaw is the best pitcher on the planet handing out mega contracts to pitchers is just too risky. They can break down at any moment and never be the same.
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Post by: msf on October 25, 2017, 08:21:11 am
I will be more than happy to be wrong. Letting ourselves dream for a moment, if the Sox were to splurge I would want it to be on Machado. Harper's a **** and although Kershaw is the best pitcher on the planet handing out mega contracts to pitchers is just too risky. They can break down at any moment and never be the same.
Agreed
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Post by: Method on October 25, 2017, 09:07:01 am
Not saying give Kershaw a 10 year deal. But 4 years I'd do.
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Post by: Shoeless on October 25, 2017, 01:09:19 pm
I will be more than happy to be wrong. Letting ourselves dream for a moment, if the Sox were to splurge I would want it to be on Machado. Harper's a **** and although Kershaw is the best pitcher on the planet handing out mega contracts to pitchers is just too risky. They can break down at any moment and never be the same.
Agree. Machado. OFers can be found.
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Post by: PeteWard on October 25, 2017, 06:01:13 pm
I will be more than happy to be wrong. Letting ourselves dream for a moment, if the Sox were to splurge I would want it to be on Machado. Harper's a **** and although Kershaw is the best pitcher on the planet handing out mega contracts to pitchers is just too risky. They can break down at any moment and never be the same.
Yup, he already has a bad back. Expect his future performance to decline unless he starts juicin'
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Post by: BillSharp on October 27, 2017, 12:16:50 am
Zavala 2 fer 4, HR
Mendick 2 fer 4, HR, SB
Foster with win.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 29, 2017, 10:57:06 am
Charlie Tilson made an appearance in the AFL, 0 FER 4.
Mendick 1 fer 4, 2 rbi
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Post by: ISF on November 03, 2017, 02:35:59 pm
Kershaw is not taking a 4 year deal...
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 03, 2017, 07:07:27 pm
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Post by: Shoeless on November 28, 2017, 03:51:34 pm
Decent review it how could he posibly know Robert is overrated?
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Post by: Method on November 28, 2017, 04:42:16 pm
I think he was saying more that Roberts is over-ranked in the charts.. wants to see him play more before he's made a top 25 prospect.
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Post by: Shoeless on November 28, 2017, 05:39:01 pm
Guess that is fair
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Post by: msf on December 04, 2017, 01:49:57 pm
Johnny Field considered among top outfielders available, and he can play CF. Jordan Guerrero is considered top LH pitcher available. Jake Peter did not make the list.
Do you have an update on Zack Burdi’s recovery? When is a realistic time to see him in the majors? — Mike, Oak Lawn
The hard-throwing Burdi underwent Tommy John surgery July 27 and Hahn said late last month that the 22-year-old right-hander is “progressing just fine.” Hahn went on to say that it is conceivable Burdi could begin ramping up his throwing by the All-Star break and that a “nice goal” would be to have him pitching without restrictions by spring training of 2019.
The Sox will not rush the Downers Grove native who was their first-round pick (26th overall) in the 2016 draft, but if his recovery goes according to plan, Burdi could have a role as soon as the 2019 season.
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Post by: SoxRule on December 12, 2017, 04:06:28 pm
For those who still might think Hahn did not do well in his big trades last year:
Chuck GarfienVerified account
Peter Gammons on White Sox prospect haul from Nationals a year later: "I thought that was amazing. To get three big-time arms. The trade with the Red Sox was really good. There are guys down below in that trade that are going to still end up helping them."
Of course, just about all the responses from around baseball last year were very, very high in their praise for what Hahn did. Not saying this is going to work out in the end like we all hope but it will not be due to incompetence, that's for sure.
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Post by: josephc on December 12, 2017, 04:48:11 pm
I meet Elise Christie of the UK once, her legs were like tree trunks. I can see why he's so fast.
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Post by: ISF on February 11, 2018, 12:23:06 pm
IMO, Hansen is too low. I can see Burdi being a ? after surgery and Collins hasn't shown enough with the bat yet, although he heated up a bit 2nd half.
A little surprised not to see Burger, but I think he'll be on that list soon enough. I probably have him ahead of Collins and Burdi right now.
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Post by: BlackSox on February 15, 2018, 09:12:52 am
Future Sox looks at our plethora of bullpen prospects:
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Post by: Method on April 16, 2018, 09:21:39 am
Thats a fun read!
Any of you sign on with theathletic? Very impressed with their coverage so far.
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Post by: Method on April 16, 2018, 11:21:33 am
Lincoln Henzman – Chicago White Sox A closer in college, the 2017 fourth round draft pick is easy to overlook. However as MLB.com described him:
“Henzman has the three-pitch mix to make it in the rotation. When he keeps his heavy 90-95 mph fastball down in the zone, batters struggle to lift it, as evidenced by his 2.3 groundout/flyout ratio during his debut. His changeup has similar action, resembling a splitter and grading as a plus pitch at its best, while his cutter reaches the upper 80s.”
He continues to show groundball stuff, with a 59.5% groundball rate over his first two Single-A starts. He’s also showing swing and miss upside (22.2% O-Swing%) and pinpoint control (1 BB over 12.0 IP). He is 22-years old (he’ll turn 23 in July), so you could argue he’s simply old for the level. Still, he owns a 2.04 GO/AO since being drafted with 27 K vs. 10 BB. If he were pitching in a shallower system he’d likely garner more attention, but don’t make the mistake of overlooking.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 18, 2018, 07:20:30 am
Mn, any idea what happened to Tanner Banks?
What about Louie Lechich?
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Post by: msf on April 18, 2018, 08:14:35 am
Lechich was released. Banks is down with the Great Falls guys in extended ST along with Hasler. Hasler is a system guy, he will be promoted after someone gets injured. I wonder if Banks is thinking of becoming a coach or something. Not sure why he is there. Here is a great webpage with lots of info. page down and see transactions too. Some guys moving from DSL to Arizona Rookie League, some new International signings.
Joel Booker: someone to watch or just a schmoe off to a good start?
Lots of guys hitting at W-S.
Doubt he makes the bigs, but you never know. Better than a fodder player for sure. Fast, good D in CF, hits well. See if he improves with the bat enough to make it.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 18, 2018, 03:52:24 pm
Hasler has pitched in AAA this year. Lechich had a 2.45 ERA in high A ball last year - his first as a pitcher & they cut him?
Banks pitched well at high A last year also.
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Post by: Method on April 18, 2018, 08:42:31 pm
Eloy reports to AA tomorrow.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 19, 2018, 12:23:05 am
Zack Collins now hitting .071.
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Post by: msf on April 19, 2018, 07:03:53 am
Jury out on giving up all hope - it's pretty clear he was a bad pick. .067 BA jeez.
At least Seby can hit - tho he supposedly sucks defensively.
Everyone used to say AJP was bad defensively, Seby still has a chance, at least he can swing a bat. Collins has walk rate of 30%, only thing he does well.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 20, 2018, 11:14:48 am
Seby's poor defense is always mentioned in scouting reports - when Juan went to a Winston Salem game last year his eyeball report was good hit/bad defense. But it's much easier to improve the glove than the bat, and he definitely can hit.
Zack Lewis is an interesting story. drafted by the pirates in 2014 in 33rd round, goes to little Wabash Valley C.C. here in Illinois. Signs as a free agent last year. Does well as a starter in rookie ball, now a reliever at Kannap. & still doing well.
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Post by: msf on April 22, 2018, 09:12:23 am
Seby's poor defense is always mentioned in scouting reports - when Juan went to a Winston Salem game last year his eyeball report was good hit/bad defense. But it's much easier to improve the glove than the bat, and he definitely can hit.
Zack Lewis is an interesting story. drafted by the pirates in 2014 in 33rd round, goes to little Wabash Valley C.C. here in Illinois. Signs as a free agent last year. Does well as a starter in rookie ball, now a reliever at Kannap. & still doing well.
The two relievers I have very high hopes for are Ian Hamilton, now at Birmingham (AA) and Tyler Johnson, now at Kannapolis (Low A). Both throw hard.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 22, 2018, 01:34:32 pm
Kade McClure had another really good start at Kannap, wonder why he never gets any attention?
I love the name - it sounds like the star of a 1960s western.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 22, 2018, 01:55:28 pm
pen guys I would include - Burr, Morrison, Elliot & Foster.
Ben Wright is on the restricted list - what does that mean?
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Post by: msf on April 23, 2018, 05:47:11 pm
pen guys I would include - Burr, Morrison, Elliot & Foster.
Ben Wright is on the restricted list - what does that mean?
Not sure on Wright, a lot of times that means the kid retired and we keep him on a list for a while, although that might be Suspended more than Restricted. Maybe PEDs?
I liked Foster, but not so sure he has enough stuff. Elliott just does the job, not sure why they seem to not like him as much as some others.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2018, 12:12:33 am
Foster was unhittable until the AFL, I suspect arm troubles.
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Post by: msf on April 24, 2018, 07:19:34 am
Foster was unhittable until the AFL, I suspect arm troubles.
He is a guy who "retired" for a while last year and then ended up deciding to play again. Makes one wonder how much he really wants it.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2018, 11:04:05 am
the lefty cornhusker, Kubat still intrigues me, wasn't drafted, basically given to us by K.C., he must not have a future, but damn, his stats are good, career whip 1.01.
He did really well at AA last year & he's back in high A Ball - don't get it.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2018, 11:20:56 am
in the off-season Sox signed 2 starting pitchers as minor league FAs :
Matt Thomshaw at AA - he had a good season last yr at AA (13-6) and really should be given a shot at AAA;
Donn Roach at AAA who's had major league time with a few teams including the chubbies. Last year he was in the Korean League & had a shy high ERA.
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Post by: msf on April 24, 2018, 12:41:48 pm
the lefty cornhusker, Kubat still intrigues me, wasn't drafted, basically given to us by K.C., he must not have a future, but damn, his stats are good, career whip 1.01.
He did really well at AA last year & he's back in high A Ball - don't get it.
I agree on Kubat, must not throw hard, but all he does is gets folks out. I think with some trades that got us minor leaguers guys like Kubat, Tomshaw etc... just started out a league lower. We had some crowded staffs. Elliott repeating Low A is another head scratcher.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 25, 2018, 12:44:04 am
Guys from last years draft doing well at Kannap - Rivera, ss, Tampa; Blackman, 2b, Misssissippi; Frost, CF, Gonzaga.
Yerchak who swung the bat so well last year, can't hit this year.
Starters Parke (South Carolina) & Rigler (Kansas State) have good numbers, both are lefties.
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Post by: msf on April 25, 2018, 05:50:32 pm
Guys from last years draft doing well at Kannap - Rivera, ss, Tampa; Blackman, 2b, Misssissippi; Frost, CF, Gonzaga.
Yerchak who swung the bat so well last year, can't hit this year.
Starters Parke (South Carolina) & Rigler (Kansas State) have good numbers, both are lefties.
I like Rivera. Wish Frost would take a walk, yet to do so I think. Yurchak coming around after a very slow start. He and Luis Gonzalez were raved about for how they work the counts in their at bats.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 25, 2018, 10:19:15 pm
Would really like to see some production from Gonzalez, 3rd round draft picks need to come thru.
Especially since Call & Fisher from the 2016 draft have been bummers.
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Post by: msf on April 26, 2018, 07:30:45 am
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 01, 2018, 09:21:57 pm
Another great stat, as of tonight Fernando Tatis Jr hitting .177 after 100 ab's. and 34% strike out and 6% walk rates!
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Post by: Shoeless on May 01, 2018, 09:41:31 pm
Cubs better win another WS
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Post by: SoxRule on May 02, 2018, 09:13:04 am
And again, Thank you Theo:
@ChuckGarfien
Have been hearing great things about White Sox prospect Matt Rose. What's he done today for @BhamBarons? He's 3 for 3 with 2 HRs and 6 RBIs. Barons were down 7-0. They now lead 9-7.
12:36 PM - 30 Apr 2018
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 02, 2018, 02:51:39 pm
Baseball America updated their top 100 list for may... how we do?
Eloy 4, Kopech 11, Hansen 55, Robert 56 and Dunning 79, oh and Tatis Jr 9
No Cease?
Until his last start he was semi-struggling. Not surprised as he has shown tendency to implode if something goes bad. This last game he never had that happen, finally.
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Post by: msf on May 04, 2018, 07:51:58 am
Yep, and Elliott gets a save after Solórzano almost blows big lead. Another homer for Adolpho (Player of Month in Car. League) and another for Basabe, who has earned his way back to Top 100 consideration. He is just hammering the ball and taking lots of walks too.
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Post by: Shoeless on May 04, 2018, 09:09:44 am
MSF: huh? ERA of 2. 36 Ks in 26 innings. 15 hits. 12 walks. He’s a top 50
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Post by: Shoeless on May 04, 2018, 09:11:15 am
You only see negatives. If they wanted to avoid facing Eloy so much, how was Zach able to have a walk clip of more than 25%?
you still want Moncada sent down?
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Post by: Method on May 05, 2018, 08:41:45 am
I think moncadancould have used the last 6 months in the minors. He should have been up this August. His K rate has gone UP to 37% this year...
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Post by: BillSharp on May 05, 2018, 09:18:18 pm
Another good start and win for lefty John Park at Kannap.
If we had kept Moncada in the minors last year & brought him up about now this year we would have secured an extra year of Sox control. I think it's a pity we didn't.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on May 05, 2018, 10:13:54 pm
Another good start and win for lefty John Park at Kannap.
If we had kept Moncada in the minors last year & brought him up about now this year we would have secured an extra year of Sox control. I think it's a pity we didn't.
Smart thinking! let's keep him down another five years and we have five more years of team control. Fangraphs has him as #28 in WAR in all of Baseball.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 05, 2018, 11:06:38 pm
you'll regret losing him as a free agent when he turns 28.
you're like those idiot cub fans who demanded that Chris Bryant start the season with the cubs in 2015. everyone now knows it was the only intelligent/rational move to keep him on the farm for the 1st 2 weeks of the season.
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Post by: Shoeless on May 06, 2018, 02:57:59 pm
Despite missing the first 11 games of the season, Eloy Jimenez is tied for the Southern League lead in home runs with 6. Has 19 RBIs in 17 games.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 06, 2018, 05:07:33 pm
you'll regret losing him as a free agent when he turns 28.
What you're missing sharpie was that Moncada first was brought up by the Red Sox in 2016 and failed, then idiot like cub fans wanted him up with the white sox, at the beginning of last year but the sox, just like the cubs with Bryant, sent him down until he tore it up at AAA. It's only real idiots that would have kept him down yet another full year. No one was arguing that last year when Moncada came up,
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Post by: BillSharp on May 06, 2018, 10:53:17 pm
wouldn't have kept him down for another full year, just the last 2 months of last year & the first 4 weeks of this year, he'd be playing in the majors at this point.
And he didn't "tear it up" at AAA last year - that's been my point all along, he played half a season at AA & half a season at AAA and his numbers were pedestrian.
I was arguing this last year.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 07, 2018, 02:20:02 am
For the record Moncada started 2016 in A ball, played only 45 games in AA & hit .277.
In 2017 he played 80 games in AAA & hit .282.
Rob Brantley, Cody Asche, Jake Peter & Willy Garcia all had higher batting averages at Charlotte.
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Post by: msf on May 07, 2018, 07:41:44 pm
For the record Moncada started 2016 in A ball, played only 45 games in AA & hit .277.
In 2017 he played 80 games in AAA & hit .282.
Rob Brantley, Cody Asche, Jake Peter & Willy Garcia all had higher batting averages at Charlotte.
That is one weak list to argue with. He may not have been ready, but he is a stud, get him up and get him the best coaching you got and let him play against the best. Do not want that done with everyone, but Moncada proved his worth. He will cut down on Ks in the future, but still he is playing above WAR while learning with and against the best. How can that be bad? I also say let Jiminez skip AAA, like Frank, Robin, Alex Fernandez, Cameron, Chris Young, and the list goes on. Not done as much anymore, likely due to teams trying to keep kids in minors longer for maximum ownership. **** on that, if we become good cause these kids are good maybe we will be the "lit" place to play by then.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 07, 2018, 07:54:11 pm
Bonanza guest star Kade McClure had another good start at Kannap - 7 innings 2 unearned runs 9 ks.
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Post by: msf on May 07, 2018, 08:42:34 pm
Amazing how well all 5 starters are doing for Kannapolis. McClure, Henzman, Parke, Rigler and Bottenfield. The last two are a real surprise.
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Post by: Shoeless on May 07, 2018, 09:29:37 pm
Last 10 Games for Eloy Jiménez 🔥 April 26th: 2-5, 2B, RBI April 27th: 1-4, RBI April 28th: 1-4, HR, 4 RBI April 29th: 1-5, HR, 3 RBI April 30th: 2-5, 2B May 2nd: 2-5 May 3rd: 2-5, 2B May 4th: 3-5, HR, 2B, 3 RBI May 5th: 2-4 May 6th: 2-3, HR, 2B, 2 RBI
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Post by: BlackSox on May 08, 2018, 08:41:50 am
Eloy by August.
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Post by: Method on May 08, 2018, 08:45:17 am
so far this year he has improved his K-BB rate from last year (15.1 vs 11.3). last year was a small sample size in AA, but if he can keep this up for a couple months, promoting him makes sense.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 08, 2018, 03:49:59 pm
Our old pal Phil Rogers looks at some potential Sox draft targets:
Thank you your Darkness, I had not seen that. Not sure who I want. If Singer is there you gotta take him.
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Post by: Method on May 08, 2018, 06:32:42 pm
Shane Mc!
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Post by: Shoeless on May 08, 2018, 09:57:23 pm
First AB. Eloy. Bomb
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Post by: BillSharp on May 09, 2018, 12:36:43 pm
Dylan Covey pitched a real good game at Charlotte & picked up a W.
Jeanmar Gomez got the save - don't know why the Sox haven't called him up for a look see, his era is 0.96. Considering how bad our pen is it's a puzzle.
Mason Robins sent to Charlotte, only played in 5 games at AA.
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Post by: ISF on May 09, 2018, 01:35:11 pm
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 09, 2018, 01:54:09 pm
(https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/sites/csnchicago/files/styles/article_hero_image/public/2018/02/27/0227_jake_burger.jpg?itok=19REr6N3) White Sox prospect Burger reinjures Achilles Third baseman expected to be sidelined a year by second injury
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Post by: BillSharp on May 09, 2018, 05:55:47 pm
All the happy talk is bullcrap, the Achilles is always a bad injury and Burger's is obviously really messed up.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 09, 2018, 11:49:38 pm
middle infielders who took a step up last yr were Danny Mendick & Mitch Roman, tho both seemed to tire out in September.
Mendick (AA) started slow but is now at .274 with 6 hrs. Roman is playing mostly 2b this year at winston salem & is hitting .310.
Roman's team mate at short is that Yrizarri guy (21) we bought from Texas last yr. He's blossomed with the Sox hitting .295 last yr at W/S and .282 this yr. Why we got him for a song baffles me.
Michelcjewski is still only 23 & is FINALLY starting to hit at AA, playing 3rd and 2b. He's battling for playing time on a team with Flete (2b) who we got from the cubs & Rose (also Cubs) who is playing 3rd & 1b this year. We really need to cut Barnum to free up some playing time.
Remillard & Ti'Quan Forbes are battling for PT at W/S at 3rd and also playing some at 2nd, Remillard is better, but Forbes is younger.
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Post by: msf on May 10, 2018, 06:52:14 am
middle infielders who took a step up last yr were Danny Mendick & Mitch Roman, tho both seemed to tire out in September.
Mendick (AA) started slow but is now at .274 with 6 hrs. Roman is playing mostly 2b this year at winston salem & is hitting .310.
Roman's team mate at short is that Yrizarri guy (21) we bought from Texas last yr. He's blossomed with the Sox hitting .295 last yr at W/S and .282 this yr. Why we got him for a song baffles me.
Michelcjewski is still only 23 & is FINALLY starting to hit at AA, playing 3rd and 2b. He's battling for playing time on a team with Flete (2b) who we got from the cubs & Rose (also Cubs) who is playing 3rd & 1b this year. We really need to cut Barnum to free up some playing time.
Remillard & Ti'Quan Forbes are battling for PT at W/S at 3rd and also playing some at 2nd, Remillard is better, but Forbes is younger.
I really like how Yrizzari and Forbes are coming along. I like Roman and Mendick too. Agree we need to cut Barnum, let Rose play 1B fulltime. I thought we got Yrizzari for some cash that was to be used for International players. Texas wanted to go after Ohtani and we provideded them with some for Yrizzari and we bought that reliever from Seattle, Thyago Vieira, and we also bought Ryan Burr from Arizona. All 3 purchased with money from our International spending fund, as we blew our wad on Robert and cannot spend much for 2 years.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 10, 2018, 08:47:53 pm
What's impressive about Battenfield's start - 8 innings, only 82 pitches. Considering the 10 ks that's really amazing.
He has been quite good. Was a reliever last season in his first half season.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 11, 2018, 06:41:02 pm
Former Sox Jason Coats hit a HR off Kopech tonight.
Jason missed all of last yr after TJ surgery.
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Post by: msf on May 11, 2018, 06:50:46 pm
Cease got hammered tonight
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Post by: msf on May 11, 2018, 08:02:56 pm
Kopech fell apart in the 4th. He and Cease both stunk tonight.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 11, 2018, 09:40:45 pm
Kopech, Cease & Clarkin all blew tonight.
Cam Seitzer rose from the dead & pitched tonight at Kannap.
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Post by: msf on May 12, 2018, 06:57:11 am
Parke left after his 1st inning, not sure if hurt, was not ejected.
Ruiz, the former Catcher in the Padres org who converted to pitching last year I think, promoted to Birmingham and went two scoreless. He was closer at Winston-Salem.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 13, 2018, 02:51:50 pm
Sox sign 2b Johnny Giavotella & sent him to AA. I remember him playing for KC & the Angels.
Sending him to AA is kinda weird when crap like Juan Perez is getting playing time at AAA.
Guessing Perez gets released when Rondon reports back to AAA. Or maybe the ice skater gets axed. Giavotella is likely buddies with Getz, so he will sit in AA until there is an opening above or elsewhere.
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Post by: msf on May 14, 2018, 02:43:15 pm
Kanny was up 9-3 after 6 today, lost 14-12, pen blew a win for Bottenfield who pitched well.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 15, 2018, 04:28:08 pm
seems we have a lot of bad Latin pitchers in A and Rookie ball. Nin, the guy who lost today seems to be one of the decent one's despite having been cut from the Philles org (despite decent #s). Something tells me he must be a real jerk.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 16, 2018, 12:11:43 am
biggest surprise in minors this year, for me, has to be Dylan Covey. I just assumed he was a complete bum, but he's having a very good year at Charlotte this year.
Covey - 2.33 ERA, 1.22 WHIP
Kopech - 4.86 ERA, 1.32 WHIP
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Post by: BillSharp on May 16, 2018, 01:34:20 pm
Stephens with a good start at Charlotte, 6 IP 6 H 0 W 2 runs.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him this year.
Clarkin got bombed again.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 16, 2018, 02:40:18 pm
At AA, Jameson Fisher up to .277, Mendick uo to .288. I'm rooting for these guys.
Seby Zavala, Matt Rose & Flete all in terrible slumps.
They keep playing Barnum for some reason.
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Post by: msf on May 16, 2018, 07:54:12 pm
Hear anything on Hansen or Puckett? That neither has played this year is troubling to say the least.
Last i'd seen Hansen was supposed to be throwing in the BP in extended spring training, believe that was around may 1st when Robert reported there as well. But i have heard or read nothing about either of their status's since that time.
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Post by: Method on May 17, 2018, 02:57:57 pm
May 9, 2018 • 1 min read UPDATE May 9, 2018, 6:21pm
Hansen (forearm) will continue to gradually build his arm back up to speed after throwing a bullpen session earlier this week, Scott Merkin of MLB.com reports.
Hansen has been sidelined since early March due to forearm soreness but was able to resume a throwing program in April and appears to be nearing a return to game action. It's expected that Hansen will toss a few more bullpen sessions in the coming days, and may require a couple games in extended spring training before joining Double-A Birmingham.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 17, 2018, 03:58:34 pm
Hear anything on Hansen or Puckett? That neither has played this year is troubling to say the least.
As Method said about Hanson, he is starting to throw. It was a strange thing in his forearm that occurred in high school as well. So he had gone through it once before and they think they have it all squared away.
Puckett had TJS on the elbow. He will miss this entire season.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 18, 2018, 07:54:47 am
Kopech, Dunning & Cease all pitch tonight.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 18, 2018, 02:03:25 pm
In the Trib today they said Hansen is "making progress at extended spring training, pitching bullpen sessions".
Also, Robert is "close" to joining Winston-Salem.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 18, 2018, 02:06:11 pm
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Post by: BillSharp on May 19, 2018, 10:44:50 pm
Carlos Rodon rehab start at Kannap
5 IP 3 H 1 R 0 W 6 K
65 pitches, 42 strikes.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 26, 2018, 03:40:12 am
Fulmer at Charlotte - 5 IP 3 H 1 R 6 W.
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Post by: msf on May 26, 2018, 07:32:49 am
Blackie, I know the Charlotte roster shows Smith as active, but I saw he played on 22nd and went on DL after that game, Austin came off the DL and has caught games since.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 27, 2018, 01:34:06 pm
okay, thanks. Must've gotten re-hurt.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 27, 2018, 08:26:31 pm
last year's 11th round pick Will Kincannon from Indiana State finally made an appearance this year. He finished another strong start by Blake Bottenfield.
the hitting at AAA & AA has been pretty bad overall this year.
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Post by: Shoeless on May 27, 2018, 09:26:41 pm
But most of the guys we want to be doing well are. Collins looks like a big leaguer.
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Post by: msf on May 28, 2018, 05:58:52 am
But most of the guys we want to be doing well are. Collins looks like a big leaguer.
Collins, Jiminez, Adolfo, Rutherford, Basabe, Sheets are all producing, although a few have been slumping (the 4 from Winston-Salem). There may be some surprises. Ti'Quan Forbes is really surprising me. Pretty high draft pick for Texas and he did not do much, but he seems to have figured it out, over .280 now, although not a lot of power. If his D is good he may be a good 3B candidate.
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Post by: msf on May 30, 2018, 04:36:30 pm
Collins 2-4 with a walk today, couple RBI. I love that he is making me eat crow, we have an abundance in the back woods here so keep hitting dude, I can keep eating.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 30, 2018, 09:33:40 pm
If he keeps this up, and improves his defense, he'll be ready in 2020 - please dear god don't rush him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 31, 2018, 12:34:06 am
the batting averages at Winston Salem have really dropped. Gavin Sheets is on the DL fur some unknown reason.
The manager at W/S seems to dislike Mitch Roman for some reason.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on May 31, 2018, 05:55:08 am
Collins should be ready for a mid season callup next year, assuming he keeps progressing
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 31, 2018, 07:05:42 am
you're still talking about a career .240 hitter. He'd better progress.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 31, 2018, 08:11:38 am
the batting averages at Winston Salem have really dropped.
My guys Basabe and Booker has been struggling lately
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 31, 2018, 12:41:46 pm
Some 18 yr old named Jesus Rodon stuck out 5 in 2 innings of work in the opener of the DSL.
How many Rodon/Rondon people do we have? At least 4.
3 I think. We have Carlos (LP), Bruce (reliever) and Jose (infielder). We released Cleuluis (SS) last year and we released George (reliever) a couple weeks ago.
Nope, 4 is correct. You were right. Forgot Jesus, the pitcher in the Dominican Summer League.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 04, 2018, 10:53:02 am
picking a 5'7 middle infielder with the 4th pick is risky. nothing against the guy, just stating an obvious fact.
What's the obvious fact? That he is short? That short players aren't good?
Altuve, Pedriora, Ramirez,
I read an article a few months ago talking about shorter batters having a great advantage because of the smaller strike zone for pitchers, and the quicker swings from shorter arms.
I like the pick
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Post by: Shoeless on June 04, 2018, 09:11:39 pm
Why risky? He is a hittng machine with fantastic plate discipline.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 04, 2018, 10:09:35 pm
Steele Walker drafted in the second round. Cool name, if anything.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 04, 2018, 10:12:19 pm
shorter batters having a great advantage because of the smaller strike zone for pitchers
Steele was projected as a 1st round guy Nice value pick in the second.
surprised they picked him as I was expecting them to draft Alek Thomas, the son of White Sox conditioning director Alan Thomas. Alek Thomas ended up being drafted by the D-Backs who chose him at #63.
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Post by: BillSharp on June 04, 2018, 11:56:27 pm
it's a risk because it's rare. Name the number of 5'7 guys taken in the top 5 of the draft.
yeah, didn't think so.
But, I've seen a one handed pitcher play well & a fat kung fu panda kick ass so I'm not counting him out.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 05, 2018, 12:15:51 am
"I ain't an athlete, lady. I'm a ballplayer."
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 05, 2018, 01:19:23 pm
7 players on Kannapolis make All-Star team in Low A ball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 05, 2018, 01:35:38 pm
Wish we had taken Libatore at 4.
Madrigal is a nice change of pace, a college player who makes contact.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 05, 2018, 01:45:08 pm
Sox take Lency Delgado in the 4th. HS SS, 19 years old and already at 6 3, 210 lbs. Not very highly rated.
We left a fantastic collect pitcher in Tristan Beck on the board (went 5 picks later to Angels). He was hurt last year but appears to be pitching very well recently for Sanford. He flashed a great CB and Change up.
Round 5 is another reach in Jonnathan Stiever.
Kumar Rocker, cole wilcox and Nader De Sedas are all on the board (all expected to be hard signs). Zack Hess would have been an easy sign here out of LSU he's a senior and has no leverage. Much better pick then Stiever.
First 3 picks were all really good value picks. Singer would have been prefered in the 1st. Steele was rated 25-30th and we got him in the 2nd (pick 46). Konner our 3rd rounder was rated between 55-63 we got him at 81.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 05, 2018, 02:24:40 pm
Love the Madrigal pick. Hitters hitters hitters
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 05, 2018, 02:42:30 pm
Madrigal was probably a top 5 bat... Singer was arguably the #2 pitcher on the board. Not sure why he fell so far.
Rays have absolutely CRUSHED this draft.
Getting Singer and Shane Mc with pick 17 and 31 is phenomenal.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 05, 2018, 02:51:13 pm
Makeup is what brought Singer down.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2018, 03:06:18 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 05, 2018, 08:31:59 pm
Madrigal is the best hitter in the draft. Sox had him 1 overall. Of all players. Not like these guys havent been scouted extensively. Pretty sure the Sox have a better clue than anyone here
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2018, 09:08:45 pm
Someone in the White Sox organization must be a big Larry King fan as they drafted his younger son in the 37th round. The Sox drafted King's older son Chance last year in the 39th round. At least there was no Reinsdorf grandson this year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 07, 2018, 11:17:52 am
2018 Chicago White Sox Draftees
(https://i.imgur.com/8iln3II.jpg)
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Post by: BillSharp on June 08, 2018, 04:58:41 am
AAA - Roach 7 IP 5 H 0 ER
A - Battenfield 6 IP 4 H 1 ER
I see Brad Goldburg was traded to Arizona.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2018, 05:52:10 am
The guy who has most surprised me is Zach Thompson. He was drafted out of HS in Texas by us a few years back, maybe a 5th or 7th rounder. Big tall kid who throws hard. Has been a starter all along and just never put it together consistently. Good start followed by two bad ones etc... They finally put him in the pen this year, starting out as a long inning guy, and he has done so well he is the ace setup guy now in the pen. ERA is down to 2.01, not walking many anymore and striking out a good number. He may really be someone who makes it. He and Hamilton and Burdi will all have good chances of making the bullpen in time.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 09, 2018, 08:19:15 am
ACE setup guys is the new major market inefficiency, the Josh Haders of the world. get 2-3 of them in your pen and shut the game down after the 6th. Brewers are 28-0 so far this year when leading after 6 innings.
Looking over the draft, i am really happy with the first 2 picks. Steele looks to be a steal, not just a big raw power guy but has a good hit tool. Likely better prospect then Burger right now.
Konnor doesnt turn heads with the radar gun, but appears to command 3 pitches really well and is fairly young for his experience level (still only 20).
4th round pick looks to be our Kenny Williams this year, he is described as "athletic, but slow down the line with a long swing that takes a while to get through the strike zone". yuck. he is also old for level, he turns 19 next month.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 09, 2018, 09:39:22 am
the gamble on Pilkington is that he will recover the lost velocity.
the 4th round pick is the guy that Sox scout in Florida was crazy about.
Zack Thompson was a 5th round pick way back in '14 - Texas Arlington I believe. before this yr the only noteworthy thing about him was height. I was wondering if he would be protected from the rule 5 draft after this year. probably not as he's still in A ball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 09, 2018, 08:09:18 pm
Yrizzari has 15 errors already. yikes!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2018, 04:50:18 pm
House deserved the ax, Adams didn't deserve the promotion.
After 3 consecutive fabulous starts I think he did. Also, not there's much of a difference between AA and AAA.
He's next in line, been hot for 3 starts as you said. I have no problem with it. Like to see what he does, he still has a shot. Stephens is kicking butt right now in AAA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 13, 2018, 10:42:24 pm
Don Roach picked up another W, he's been pitching real well at Charlotte.
Charlotte's best hitters have been Mason Robbins & Eddie Alvarez. whoda thunkit.
Tanner Banks won again at Winston Salem. He and Kyle Kubat are too old for high A ball, they both deserve a shot at AA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 14, 2018, 07:00:01 am
Don Roach picked up another W, he's been pitching real well at Charlotte.
Charlotte's best hitters have been Mason Robbins & Eddie Alvarez. whoda thunkit.
Tanner Banks won again at Winston Salem. He and Kyle Kubat are too old for high A ball, they both deserve a shot at AA.
We have a glut of pitchers, not many left that are release-able, sure was good to see House go. Banks and Kubat are not real prospects either.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 14, 2018, 07:10:47 am
Tomshaw or Banks.
Walsh or Kubat.
these are easy decisions IMO.
doesn't mean they'll succeed, but everyone deserves a chance to fail.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 14, 2018, 09:02:58 am
Whats up with Dunning?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 14, 2018, 09:47:31 am
3.22 ERA, 1.33 WHIP Dunning's K per inning good, walks & HB raise his WHIP, so I guess he needs to refine his control a bit. Nothing really stands out as a worry.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 14, 2018, 11:50:30 am
In 3 innings Kopech walked 8, hit 2 batters & threw 5 wild pitches.
I can honestly say I've never seen a box score like that!
Kopech must be a mental midget to do something like that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 15, 2018, 07:30:55 am
How is benintendi doing?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 15, 2018, 07:11:18 pm
Our DSL team sucks (2-10). At least they seem younger than usual.
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Post by: PeteWard on June 15, 2018, 07:38:24 pm
Kopech must be a mental midget to do something like that.
Maybe he was trying something new!
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Post by: PeteWard on June 15, 2018, 07:44:34 pm
Last few years I lived in Chicago I bowled in a league. There was an 82 year old gentleman who bowled on another team. Great guy but obviously a little older than the rest of us and was past his bowling prime. I remember once we were bowling against his team (who were mostly young guys like us); he hit his leg on his approach and the ball went right into the gutter. His teammates immediately let out a collective, good-natured groan. He waited till they stopped then said
"hey, I was trying something new!"
Ever since then I have used that line when I screw something royally up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 15, 2018, 10:28:55 pm
Fulmer 5.1 IP, 7 H, 6 W, 1 WP.
How the hell did he only give up 2 runs?
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Post by: BillSharp on June 15, 2018, 10:56:12 pm
Min, you got a web page listing the Sox draft picks & whether they've signed?
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 15, 2018, 11:09:00 pm
Last few years I lived in Chicago I bowled in a league. There was an 82 year old gentleman who bowled on another team. Great guy but obviously a little older than the rest of us and was past his bowling prime. I remember once we were bowling against his team (who were mostly young guys like us); he hit his leg on his approach and the ball went right into the gutter. His teammates immediately let out a collective, good-natured groan. He waited till they stopped then said
"hey, I was trying something new!"
Ever since then I have used that line when I screw something royally up.
heh
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 16, 2018, 06:31:07 am
Thanks Andy, same one I would have mentioned. Last I knew, out of first 32 picks (likely not signing anyone after that round) we have NOT signed: 1, 2, 3, 12, 14 and 22. 3 or 4 of those still playing in CWS, 12 and 22 are not, not sure about 3.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 16, 2018, 11:18:17 am
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Post by: BlackSox on June 18, 2018, 03:03:15 pm
Over on Soxtalk, they posted a tweet claiming the following promotions after the all-star break.
Cease, Basabe, Call, Booker up to Birmingham
Eloy, Hamilton, and Seby up to Charlotte
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 18, 2018, 04:17:13 pm
There will be more than that. Thus far, only one transaction done, Barons released Nick Basto (Deserved to be released but no more than Keon Barnum, KWs pet.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 18, 2018, 10:15:52 pm
Sox released last yr's 25th round pick, CF Jose Garcia who hit .429 in rookie ball last year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 19, 2018, 08:55:50 am
I wont be happy until they release Thompson
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 19, 2018, 09:09:57 am
They probably will when Avi Garcia some back, which should be soon.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 19, 2018, 10:43:57 am
3rd round pick Konnor Pilkington is pitching for Mississippi State University right now in the CWS on ESPN 2. He gave up a run in the first.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 19, 2018, 01:55:07 pm
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Post by: msf on June 20, 2018, 08:17:03 am
Collins won Southern League HR derby, he also went 1-3 with a walk in the All Star game. Jiminez went 1-3, Mendick went 2-4, Zavala was 1-2 I think. Dunning pitched well, as did Hamilton. I did not know Ruiz made AS game, must have been a late addition as we only had 6 on the team originally. Ruiz got hammered in the 9th to let game get out of reach.
In Carolina league, Cease pitched well. Flores pitched a scoreless inning. Foster gave up a run. Booker hit a leadoff HR, drove in 4 runs and was the MVP of the game. Basabe did not get a hit if I recall correctly.
In Sally League, Battenfield gave up a run in his inning. Elliott went 1+ scoreless. Blackman hit a homer. Laz Rivera had a couple hits. Dedelow was 1-1.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 20, 2018, 06:03:28 pm
Arkansas beat Texas Tech 7-4 at the CWS. White Sox 14th-round pick Davis Martin was the losing pitcher. Texas Tech drops into the losers bracket where they'll play Florida Thursday night in an elimination game.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 21, 2018, 05:15:01 pm
This is why I think Cease is better than Kopech or Hansen or any of our other pitching prospect, in fact Dunning might be my 2nd favorite after Cease
"Heading into the season, his first full year with us, the focus was: every fifth day, a full season's worth of innings," said Getz of Cease. "He's more or less forced our hand. He's really come on; he's pitching with four pitches, four-plus pitches. He's commanding the ball, very mature kid. And he's certainly ready for the next challenge at Double-A."
I will save SoxRule the trouble, "thanks Theo"
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 21, 2018, 09:46:11 pm
My guy Booker 4-5. ;)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: WshflThinking on June 22, 2018, 10:16:26 am
My favorite too is Dunning. I am hoping he is improving and moving up to the next level.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 24, 2018, 07:40:51 am
Possible bad news, Dane Dunning left last nights game in the 3rd inning, appeared to be an elbow. Fry has had two of them.
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Post by: ISF on June 25, 2018, 01:51:59 pm
I think all of our pitchers have 2 of them... :P
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Post by: BillSharp on June 26, 2018, 09:39:23 pm
Fulmer 4 IP 4 H 5 ER 6 WALKS
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 27, 2018, 12:55:16 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 28, 2018, 02:15:36 am
Donn Roach - 9 - 2, 2.65 ERA.
guy was a former compensation B draft pick, maybe he's learned to pitch at age of 28?.
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Post by: WshflThinking on June 28, 2018, 11:23:26 am
Thanks Andy, I was just about to post that same article. The prognosis seems to be better than surgery but if he doesnt improve it could result in surgery later I suppose :(
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Post by: ISF on June 28, 2018, 03:11:54 pm
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Post by: BillSharp on June 28, 2018, 10:00:23 pm
how the **** did Laz Rivera last to the 28th round? He wasn't even drafted after his junior year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 29, 2018, 07:00:56 am
The kid can flat out hit. Robert was 4-6 last night, up to .300. The guy who has had a good season, lots of RBIs, is Rutherford.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 29, 2018, 03:03:57 pm
LHP Jordan Guerrero promoted to AAA, OF Alex Presley released
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 29, 2018, 04:43:44 pm
Going to see the Dash tonight against the Frederick Keys
Will let you know later how the boys looked.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 29, 2018, 06:57:02 pm
5 runs in two innings, that is good. Although Hickman is giving em right back. Let me know about the SS, Laz Rivera, all he does is hit and get on base. Also, Rutherford with 2-2 already, he has been hot since they did not put him on the All Star team. Wish they were starting Henzman and had kept Hickman in the pen.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 29, 2018, 09:50:51 pm
What a great game to see! What the box score doesn't show you was that even all the outs made by the Dash were hard hit. Laz Rivera in particular hit the ball hard even though he only got one hit. Others who impressed the most were Ti'Quan, Blake, Gavin, Luis G., and Remillard.
Pitching sucked though.
Sat behind Gavin's family, Dad Larry Sheets kids were in WSox gear.
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Post by: BillSharp on June 29, 2018, 10:32:21 pm
I see Logan Taylor was released earlier this month - 16th round 2017 Louisville. He hit well last yr.
I have no idea why Henzman was used out of the pen after his promotion to W-S.
Jimmy Lambert picked his first win in AA.
Is Kade McClure ever coming off the DL?
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 29, 2018, 10:49:28 pm
I see Logan Taylor was released earlier this month - 16th round 2017 Louisville. He hit well last yr.
I have no idea why Henzman was used out of the pen after his promotion to W-S.
Jimmy Lambert picked his first win in AA.
Is Kade McClure ever coming off the DL?
I read somewhere that he was hitting his innings limit, and the club decided to use him out of the pen the rest of this year and be back to starting next year.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 29, 2018, 11:22:33 pm
Sox come to terms with 2nd- and 3rd-rounders
The White Sox agreed to terms with second-round pick Steele Walker and third-round pick Konnor Pilkington. Walker is an outfielder from Oklahoma, and Pilkington a left-handed pitcher from Mississippi State. The club has agreed to terms with nine of its top 10 picks. Only first rounder Nick Madrigal, who wrapped up his college career Thursday with a national championship at Oregon State, remains unsigned.
I see Logan Taylor was released earlier this month - 16th round 2017 Louisville. He hit well last yr.
I have no idea why Henzman was used out of the pen after his promotion to W-S.
Jimmy Lambert picked his first win in AA.
Is Kade McClure ever coming off the DL?
Henzman pitched relief at Louisville I think, does not have a ton of innings under his arm. I think they worry a bit about it and are maybe limiting his innings? Hickman has not had a lot of innings since turning pro, missed one who year. Even tho maybe he ends up a reliever they want to start him to get him some innings. Only way for me to think of it cause Hickman has not done much and Henzman has.
I think McClure may be out all year? Not positive. Pretty sure it was his knee.
Logan Taylor must have gotten in some trouble. They did not release him until June 2nd, about a week or two before season at Great Falls started. He hit well last year, but we have outfielders coming out of our ass so not a big deal to me.
Lambert keeps impressing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 30, 2018, 06:56:00 am
I see Logan Taylor was released earlier this month - 16th round 2017 Louisville. He hit well last yr.
I have no idea why Henzman was used out of the pen after his promotion to W-S.
Jimmy Lambert picked his first win in AA.
Is Kade McClure ever coming off the DL?
I read somewhere that he was hitting his innings limit, and the club decided to use him out of the pen the rest of this year and be back to starting next year.
Just saw your post. Same thing I figured, his innings were getting up there.
Thanks for info from W-S, couple questions. Could you tell if Laz Rivera is a real SS? He has made 4 errors already since promotion, but could be a lousy infield cause Yrizarri had about 15 or more. How about Forbes, he has really had a good year considering what he did since being a pretty high draft pick out of HS by Texas.
Did not get to see Robert, eh? I really like what Rutherford has done, he has really turned it on with more power since they slighted him for the AS game.
I see Madrigal will report to W-S in 2 weeks. He is supposed to sign soon if not already and someone in authority said he would be in W-S in 2 weeks and I will use that assumption. Not sure where they plan on playing him. With Rivera, Yrizarri, Forbes, Mitch Roman and Remillard they have plenty of good infielders. I suppose Madrigal will take over for Roman at 2B. I would rather see Madrigal at Kanny. They need help anyway.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 30, 2018, 02:46:01 pm
I like Roman, I think he's a prospect, no power, but so what.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 30, 2018, 06:37:31 pm
I like Roman, I think he's a prospect, no power, but so what.
I like him too, that is why I want Madrigal to start out at Kanny rather than W-S.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 30, 2018, 07:01:33 pm
So what's the story on Davis Martin (Texas Tech)? He gonna sign?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 30, 2018, 11:17:36 pm
When Bernardo Flores was drafted - 2016, 7th round, USC - as a 20 yr old lefty, I thought it a throw away pick as he kinda stunk in college. The Sox pitching coaches seem to have worked wonders with him. He just pitched another nice game at AA.
Also drafted in 2016 - 3rd round, Louisville - was a guy named Drew Harrison by Atlanta. They cut him earlier this yr & the Sox picked him up. He won tonight at Kannap.
I like this Johnson guy, relief pitcher out of Rhode Island, drafted 21st round this year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 01, 2018, 12:02:05 am
I'm surprised the White Sox signed Nick Madrigal for a full slot value bonus. I expected the holdup in quickly signing their #2 pick (Steele Walker) was the need to use some of Madrigal's slot value money to cover Steele's bonus as Steele received $443+K over slot value. The first three overall picks (Casey Mize, Joey Bart & Alec Bohm) all signed for below slot value, anywhere from $469.6K to $1.0925 million. Caey Mizee, the consensus number one and the actual overall #1 pick, signed for just under $600K below his slot value. Would have been nice to sign Madrigal for $400-500K below slot to have some extra money to have the flexibility to entice their #14 pick Davis Martin (P-TexasTech) or one of their later round HS picks to sign with the White Sox.
Madrigal received over $560K more than the player drafted just before him (Alec Bohm). Madrigal also was the only one of the top overall six picks to receive the full slot value signing bonus. Who was his agent? Was it Scott Boras?
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Post by: Method on July 05, 2018, 05:09:28 pm
He was #1 on Sox board... so its ok.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 07, 2018, 03:25:10 am
Fulmer got rocked again, die hards need to accept he just sucks.
Cease won his 1st at AA.
Tanner Banks won again.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 07, 2018, 09:50:02 am
Fulmer blows. Cease was dominant
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Post by: msf on July 08, 2018, 07:42:43 am
We signed Davis Martin for 5K over slot, used extra money from some of our savings to sign 33 rounder, 3B Bryce Bush from somewhere in Michigan, a HS player rated in top 400 prospects (college and HS). Kids on SoxTalk make it sound like a steal. 2 other HS kids left who were drafted in the mid 30 rounds who are highly touted. We have about 300-400K left to spend. We got Bush for 290K. He was a Mississippi or Mississippi State commit.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 08, 2018, 11:01:04 am
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2 other HS kids left who were drafted in the mid 30 rounds who are highly touted. We have about 300-400K left to spend.
The signing deadline has passed. Teams had up to July 6th to sign their draftees who still have college eligibility left (basically HS draftees, JUCO draftees and college juniors draftees). Players who have exhausted their college eligibility have until one week before 2019 draft to sign. The White Sox was fortunate in signing 34 of their picks. It would have been nice to also sign the two HS catchers they drafted in rounds 34 and 36 (Alec Valenzuela & Adrian Del Castillo) but you can't sign 'em all.
Four 1st-rounders (all HS draftees) failed to sign:
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Post by: BillSharp on July 08, 2018, 01:19:58 pm
Sun Times article says Sox released Donn Roach so he could sign with a Japanese team.
Would rather have him than Volstad.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 10, 2018, 01:04:59 am
Gavin Sheets has his BA up to .292 at W-S. I always thought he'd be a low BA, high K power hitter based on his college #s. If he keeps making contact like this, he'll be much more valuable than I could of dreamed. The thing I likes about Madrigal was he is a low K contact hitter. I want players who put the ball in play.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 10, 2018, 01:07:06 am
Jimmy Lambert pitched a gem at AA. I can't figure him out. So inconsistent.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 10, 2018, 06:22:15 pm
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 10, 2018, 09:06:52 pm
Not that bad of news, we knew this was a strong possibility in spring training. The good news is that he got 290 strong at bats this year, and will be back very early next year. Plus he's not a pitcher, so he can start next year at DH if not ready.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 10, 2018, 09:54:40 pm
Yep. Just want to see Luis and Eloy finish healthy
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Post by: BillSharp on July 11, 2018, 11:14:16 pm
Tanner Banks made 1st start at AA - 6 IP 5 H 3 R 1 W 10 K.
the #s look better than the 3 runs allowed.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2018, 01:20:07 pm
Injuries nagging top picks
Nick Madrigal, the White Sox top pick in the 2018 MLB Draft and the No. 4 overall selection, has played one game for the organization's Arizona Rookie League team as he battles through a sore hamstring he had upon arrival.
"Understandably, if you know the kid or at least know of the kid, you understand why he was continuing to grind through that," White Sox general manager Rick Hahn said. "He was trying to win a national championship, and then showed up to us, wanted to keep playing through it, which we shut down.
"He's progressing nicely. He'll likely be back in the lineup with the Arizona affiliate hopefully by this weekend, if not sooner, and then go from there to [Class A] Kannapolis once he gets his rhythm back."
Second-round pickSteele Walkercontinues to be held out by an oblique strain he sustained during his college season with Oklahoma.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 13, 2018, 11:36:45 pm
Cory Zangari hit 3 homers at Great Falls tonight,
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Post by: BillSharp on July 15, 2018, 02:02:21 am
Kopech & Lambert with good starts
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Post by: msf on July 15, 2018, 09:33:10 am
Hey BillSharp, I see Roman is hitting cleanup of late. Right behind Rutherford. With all the other guys ailing or having been promoted he has really been coming on. He and Rutherford are two guys who have impressed me more than I anticipated. Put Collins in there with them too.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 15, 2018, 02:29:38 pm
winston salem has guys that can hit, even with the promotions & injuries. Must be a fun team to play on.
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 15, 2018, 09:47:46 pm
winston salem has guys that can hit, even with the promotions & injuries. Must be a fun team to play on.
Saw two winston salem games this year, and that team is having lots of fun, especially with Omar V as manager (third base coach as well). I think he will be our next manager.
Also went to the Futures game today, Bassabe and Cease looked great!! I think Bassabe is going to be a star
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Post by: BlackSox on July 15, 2018, 11:40:26 pm
I think Basabe is going to be a star
Welcome to the Basabe Bandwagon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP3XaAqDwZ0
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Post by: Shoeless on July 16, 2018, 09:57:08 am
Basabe turned on a 102 mph fastball for his HR
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 16, 2018, 01:20:04 pm
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Post by: BlackSox on July 17, 2018, 12:42:35 am
Los Dash were on local TV tonight. Turned it on in time to catch the bottom of the the 10th; they were down by two, but you just knew they'd come back and win (which they did).
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Post by: Shoeless on July 17, 2018, 04:38:33 am
Wow. They were down 5-0
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Post by: msf on July 17, 2018, 07:30:51 am
Los Dash were on local TV tonight. Turned it on in time to catch the bottom of the the 10th; they were down by two, but you just knew they'd come back and win (which they did).
Yep. the catcher, Gonzalez, pitched top of tenth for us, gave up 2. Laz Rivera hit a 2 out grand slam in bottom of 10th, to give Gonzalez the win!!
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 17, 2018, 09:59:23 pm
Madrigal 3 for 4 with a walk and double today at Kanny. No K's in 17 pro at bats so far.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 17, 2018, 11:03:21 pm
Stud. Eloy 5-15 with 2 doubles and HR since returning
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Post by: Method on July 19, 2018, 08:40:14 pm
My guy Hansen really struggling with control this year.
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2018, 07:08:25 am
Now another pitcher may have gone down. Lambert, in AA now and been doing so well, left the game after two scoreless innings last night. He is the one who increased fastball by 3-5 mph this year and has been really tough.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 20, 2018, 08:55:01 am
Control always been a bit of an issue with Hansen but coming off injury not surprised he is struggling right now
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Post by: BillSharp on July 20, 2018, 03:56:29 pm
Saw that about Lambert - he was taking a step forward this yr - Sox have had the worst luck with injuries on the farm this yr.
BTW, heard anything on McClure?
Lost season for Hansen.
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2018, 04:17:03 pm
Saw that about Lambert - he was taking a step forward this yr - Sox have had the worst luck with injuries on the farm this yr.
BTW, heard anything on McClure?
Lost season for Hansen.
Good news is Lambert only likely out 2 weeks. Not a bad oblique injury. Not sure on McClure, he was a knee correct? Maybe they are going to hold him out until Fall League. I agree with Hanson, he is sorta starting over. But he retired last 10 batters in order last night after a rough, wild start. I think he will be ok, but this is one reason I take Cease over him as my top pitching prospect. I also take Kopech over Hanson.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 20, 2018, 08:39:10 pm
blackie, how the hell do I find that page on the Sox web site?
I think he is using the filters on the stats page to get a page like he is getting. I looked quick, not sure where he gets the prospects value from, but I bet it is there somewhere.
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Post by: msf on July 23, 2018, 06:27:08 am
Great Falls lost but so did Missoula, so GF clinches a playoff by winning the first half of their division in the Pioneer League. So Winston-Salem won theirs, Great Falls wins and Kannapolis had it won before they choked their final week. Teams in the org (not counting White Sox and the DSL team) are like 30 games over .500. Been a long time since our system has won like this.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 23, 2018, 01:55:26 pm
Eloy named IL batter of the week: https://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball/status/1021416575331708928
Tanner Banks named SL pitcher of the week: https://twitter.com/SLeagueBaseball/status/1021424962106724354
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 23, 2018, 02:00:59 pm
Alec Hansen 7 walks 2 wild pitches in 1.1 innings.
Steve Blass disease without a doubt. This guy is completely screwed up.
Heh. Came here for this hot take. Love that it's here.
I am really saddened by his collapse. He was my guy.... I'll have a chat with the lad.
Maybe just needs a kick in the ass. Wear your boots.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 30, 2018, 10:40:46 pm
Another Ebomb. .396
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Post by: BillSharp on July 30, 2018, 10:49:42 pm
Hate being a Debbie Downer (really I do hate it), but the 2018 draft looks to me to be a real bad draft for pitching.
I like relief pitchers Andy Perez (8th round - LHP) and Nick Johnson (21st round - RHP), but that's about it.
CF Ian Dawkins (27th round) hit for high average in college & continues to do so. OF Logan Sowers from Indiana (28th) is hitting.
Most interesting guy may be Bryce Bush (33rd), only 18, but playing like a prospect.
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Post by: Shoeless on July 30, 2018, 10:52:31 pm
Way too early
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Post by: BillSharp on July 30, 2018, 11:15:04 pm
yeah, but looking at their college #s & how they've done so far I've just got a strong impression.
Perez & Johnson just seem to have the best chance right now.
Ian Dawkins, for a guy drafted so late, just seems to be a guy who has a chance.
And a guy like Bush isn't a typical Sox draft pick - 18, highly regarded, yet the Sox didn't spend much to sign him. And the Sox have a terrible history with high school kids. So it'll at least be fun to follow him over the next few years.
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Post by: ISF on July 31, 2018, 01:56:29 pm
Don't think this has been mentioned, but Fulmer was removed from Charlotte rotation. He's a bullpen arm now.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 31, 2018, 10:35:31 pm
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Post by: SoxRule on August 06, 2018, 10:25:16 am
Theo is one of the best executives in baseball but man did he get fleeced on that deal. And yes, I will say that even without Eloy or Cease having played one major league game yet. The potential for those two, whether it works out or not, was worth way more than Quintana. Quintana was a very good pitcher for the Sox but that type of package should go for someone like a Sale or Scherzer or one of the more truly elite pitchers.
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Post by: Method on August 06, 2018, 10:51:32 am
Kopech with only 4 BB's in his last 31 innings. 7IP, 2ER, 8K, 0BB yesterday.
We got fleeced in the Sale deal... so it worked out. The returns on the two deals were reversed.
Should have told Dombrowski, No benintendi, no sale.
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Post by: Shoeless on August 06, 2018, 03:15:13 pm
Huh? Moncada and Kopech?
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Post by: Method on August 06, 2018, 05:39:45 pm
Moncada has shown no improvement in 600 pa in majors... He still can't recognize a breaking ball... Hrs and sb be damned. He's one soft streak from a Mendoza line player.
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Post by: Method on August 06, 2018, 05:40:32 pm
Have not had a chance to dig into it.. but according to pops moncada has a clear loop in his swing... Betcha the Sox can't fix it.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 06, 2018, 05:46:05 pm
And for some reason, even tho he's right handed, Moncada can't hit from the right side - his splits are horrific.
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Post by: Method on August 06, 2018, 06:05:57 pm
Its really bizzare... I understood the argument last year, that we need to call him up... i did not agree with it, but i understood it.
Now we are 600+ PA into this... there has been no improvement, he's worse across the board from when he got to the majors. I have to admit my viewership is down from 40ish games to 10ish games a year. From what i have seen in highlights and in my limited viewing. The kid cannot recognize a breaking ball at all... he's making it on physical talent and guessing.
If he'd shown some improvement over this time... it would be ok... but the numbers are generally getting worse over time, almost as if major league pitching is adjusting to him, but he is incapable of adjusting back (hard to do when you are guessing).
He's gotten worse across the board, now batting 222/305/400 after hitting 231/338/412 last year.
Wrc of 93 this year... all the while just wowing us with 24 errors in the field. But he has NOTHING to learn in AAA.
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Post by: Method on August 06, 2018, 06:25:00 pm
Not sure if this chart will post well.
Season Team wFB wSL wCT wCB wCH wSF 2016 Red Sox 1.0 1.0 -0.2 -0.4 -0.8 2017 White Sox 5.3 2.7 -0.1 1.5 -5.4 -0.5 2018 White Sox 5.8 -3.3 -1.7 -0.9 0.4 -1.0
Those are opponent pitch values for Moncada... he's gotten better at hitting FB's this year... note he now has negative pitch values against the Slider, Cutter, CB... He has gotten a lot better against changeups, that is some good news!
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Post by: Shoeless on August 06, 2018, 10:28:20 pm
His numbers at same stage of Baez are essentially the same. Not sure he will be hitting 30+ hr but he is still quite young
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Post by: Method on August 06, 2018, 11:02:45 pm
Not.even.close.
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Post by: Shoeless on August 07, 2018, 08:04:33 am
Javier Báez: 567 PA .242/.289/.404, 20 HR, 5.1 BB%, 31.2 K%
I know defensively there is a world of difference, but Shoe is right on comparing them like this. Now, can he improve like Baez, probably not. He seems to be a bit lazy. Guess we will find out. He will be just fine, just likely not an MVP type and likely not a 2nd baseman.
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Post by: Method on August 07, 2018, 09:18:29 am
Woo!
Fun with numbers... Javier baez first 229 PA over 52 games led to a slash line of 169/227/324, by the time he got to the 162nd game he was hitting 273/314/423.
Moncada has gone down hill... Baez got better. Baez had huge K problems but still managed to make contact. Moncada does not make contact.
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Post by: ISF on August 07, 2018, 01:09:47 pm
I'm not against sending him down, but who do you replace him with? I also wonder what he's going to see at AAA that helps him that he won't see in MLB. We're not going anywhere this year, so hitting coach in Chicago should be working with him on those things.
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Post by: Method on August 07, 2018, 03:20:13 pm
He needs repetition... just lots and lots of repetition in learning pitch recognition... and he can do that at AAA vs accruing service time and doing poorly in the majors. Its going to crush his confidence.
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Post by: Shoeless on August 08, 2018, 09:55:09 am
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Post by: BillSharp on August 08, 2018, 10:28:04 am
Gavin Sheets should be ranked higher on that list - Burger lower, Berger has a devastating injury.
Steele Walker has stunk so far, so I don't know why he's ranked high.
Bernardo Flores should be ranked higher - he's had a breakout year.
Hamilton needs more love.
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Post by: Shoeless on August 08, 2018, 11:09:25 am
Flores will be in rotation in 2 years
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Post by: Method on August 08, 2018, 09:20:07 pm
Roberts 2-4 lat night with 2 SB. need him to finish strong after an almost lost season. we can add him to Shoe's 2020 All Pro list.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 12, 2018, 09:02:50 am
I'm intrigued by Devan Watts, the guy we signed after Atlanta cut him. 23, drafted in 2016. Great #s in 16 & 17, pitched in high A & AA last year. He's been great at Winston-Salem for us since we signed him.
It doesn't make sense. I'd like to know the back story.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 17, 2018, 09:01:14 pm
(https://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/179942/179942-11510075Fr.jpg) Dedelow continues to deliver White Sox prospect goes from college walk-on to full-season star
I'm intrigued by Devan Watts, the guy we signed after Atlanta cut him. 23, drafted in 2016. Great #s in 16 & 17, pitched in high A & AA last year. He's been great at Winston-Salem for us since we signed him.
It doesn't make sense. I'd like to know the back story.
Braves system too deep with pitchers, Watts was doing fine there but too many were better. I also like what the two LHs have done, that we traded Intl money for, Frare (AAA) and Schryver (High A).
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Post by: Shoeless on August 19, 2018, 02:29:09 pm
Kopech up. Starts Tuesday
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 19, 2018, 03:00:07 pm
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Post by: BillSharp on August 19, 2018, 03:05:47 pm
Great! One year of service time thrown away. Brilliant, the Sox are run by geniuses.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 19, 2018, 04:52:52 pm
Somewhat surprised by this move especially since Kopech wasn't on the 40-man roster. This only makes some sense if they move "Big Game" James in the next few days. Even then Kopech is only 8 innings shy of his career high in total innings pitched (136.1). Figure their innings cut off for him is a max of 160 so I really don't expect him to make more than 4 or 5 more starts this season before they shut him down for the year.
I thought if anyone would be promoted it would be Eloy since he's actually (a) had the better season, (b) was already on the 40-man and (c) there is no "wear and tear" on a bat unlike a pitcher's arm.
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Post by: aka Loveland on August 19, 2018, 09:15:43 pm
Boooo!!!!
Plus I just got finished telling my daughter he wouldn’t get called up this year.
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Post by: Method on August 23, 2018, 11:23:07 am
This coming years draft will have 2 expectional bats in the draft. We are firmly out of contention for either.
I'd really hoped we lucked into Bobby Witt Jr. Hinds is the other big name bat, but his commitment to LSU is pretty firm. Witt will likely skip college.
Read a recent report that placed Witt with a 60 across the board on scouting profile.
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Post by: Method on August 23, 2018, 11:24:57 am
This coming years draft will have 2 expectional bats in the draft. We are firmly out of contention for either.
I'd really hoped we lucked into Bobby Witt Jr. Hinds is the other big name bat, but his commitment to LSU is pretty firm. Witt will likely skip college.
Read a recent report that placed Witt with a 60 across the board on scouting profile.
If the season ended today, the White Sox would pick #3 so the White Sox are not necessarily out of contention for one (or both) of them. There is still 9 1/2 months left until the draft. Some players will rise and some will fall in their evaluations in those 9+ months. Players ranked 1-2 (in your mind) now aren't necessarily 1-2 after the 2019 HS and college seasons.
Twelve months ago, Seth Beer's name was thrown around as the possible overall #1 pick but he fell to pick #28 and the eventual overall #1 pick (Casey Mize) shot up the rankings after his solid junior season. Brady Singer and Brice Turang were both considered top three picks twelve months ago but fell to pick #18 & #21 in the draft. In 2013, Kris Bryant moved up from a late 1st round projection to overall #2 pick after a monstrous junior season. Carlos Rodon was a consensus overall #1 pick that fell to the White Sox at pick #3 in 2014. Also not every organization follows the same draft philosophy. Some prefer to draft college bats or arms over HS players with their top picks.
Jonathan Mayo doesn't even have Rece Hinds in his top 7 picks as his 2019 mock draft has him going on the 8th pick: https://www.mlb.com/news/early-2019-mock-mlb-draft/c-280269044
So anything can (and probably will) happen between now and the June 2019 Draft. The guys listed at the top of the draft prospects list TODAY are not necessarily going to be the same names picked in the top 5 on draft day.
Personally, right now, I'd be tickled pink if Nick Madrigal's old teammate (Adley Rutschman, catcher, OSU) ends up the White Sox's first choice this coming June.
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Post by: Shoeless on August 23, 2018, 07:06:29 pm
He’s the guy I want
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Post by: ISF on August 28, 2018, 01:03:26 pm
We should probably find a position for Romy Gonzalez to play...
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Post by: msf on August 28, 2018, 02:37:32 pm
We should probably find a position for Romy Gonzalez to play...
Just read he has had an elbow problem. It is better now and he has played 5 games in CF recently. Now that arm is healthy I guess we will see if he returns to infield or stays in the OF. Dude can hit.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 29, 2018, 01:42:56 am
Alec Hansen walked 7 in 3 innings down in A ball.
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Post by: ISF on August 29, 2018, 02:38:13 pm
Improvement...
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Post by: BlackSox on August 30, 2018, 09:25:31 pm
MSF: Your guy Zach Thompson worthy of a 40-man add & a Sept call up?
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Post by: msf on August 31, 2018, 09:13:45 am
I think so. 40-man for sure, callup does not matter. But we sure need a bullpen. Tired of our starters doing well and getting nothing for it.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 31, 2018, 11:59:12 am
Burr was called up instead of Hamilton because he needs to be on the 40 roster this Fall, Hamilton doesn't.
Guys at AAA needed to be rostered - Zevala, pitchers Adams, Stephens, Frare, Guerrero.
At least Thompson from AA.
Sox are going to have to designate for assigment or just release a lot of guys this Fall. I'd start by clearing out the bullpen.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 31, 2018, 12:07:42 pm
I think that 6 does it. I doubt Mendick needs to be rostered tho I like him as a player.
Brennan finally has seemed to put it together, but he's too old & has been a 4th round bust for too long.
Danny Dopico is just minor league roster fodder.
Min can correct me if I'm wrong
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Post by: BillSharp on August 31, 2018, 12:23:13 pm
Forgot Kodi Medeiros! that makes 7.
Sox won't protect Banks, I actually hope someone picks him and gives him a chance.
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Post by: msf on August 31, 2018, 12:46:08 pm
I think that 6 does it. I doubt Mendick needs to be rostered tho I like him as a player.
Brennan finally has seemed to put it together, but he's too old & has been a 4th round bust for too long.
Danny Dopico is just minor league roster fodder.
Min can correct me if I'm wrong
Dopico not fodder. Might have best stuff of our minor league pitchers, 4 quality pitches, finally showing some command. The staff likes him.
Guerrero can be left off 40 man, he is just a guy, nothing special. If real tight for 40 man, even Stephens can be left off. Right call with Mendick and Brennan, they do not need to be on 40 man even though I like them both.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 31, 2018, 01:27:55 pm
Forbes eligible for rule 5, but I hate putting A ball players on roster like we foolishly did with Adolfo & Basabe last year.
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Post by: msf on August 31, 2018, 04:31:04 pm
Doubt anyone would take him. Leave him off. I think we need to hang onto Rivera, see how he does in AFL.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 04, 2018, 01:10:53 am
Madrigal went 4 fer 4 at W-S.
He's ready to start at AA next yr.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 04, 2018, 03:22:30 am
Kodi Medeiros BB/9iP 4.38. Career 4.60
Pretty bad.
Alec Hansen BB/9 - 10.34
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Post by: BillSharp on September 05, 2018, 10:07:44 am
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Post by: Shoeless on October 03, 2018, 08:35:21 pm
I think he is fast AND uses his speed well
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Post by: BillSharp on October 04, 2018, 09:00:23 am
he has a 65 run grade tool, good but compared to others mentioned with 75 & 70 grades not elite. But his Spd score is tops.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 09, 2018, 02:39:10 pm
AFL starts today. I know each MLB team is supposed to only contribute 6 players to a team, but the Glendale roster lists 7 Sox. The additional guy is Min's guy Danny Dopico.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 09, 2018, 07:19:36 pm
In the first game of the AFL, the Glendale Desert Dogs lost to the Peoria Javelinas 8-7. Luis Robert went 1-4 and walked, scored twice and had an RBI. Laz Rivera went 2-3 with a double and a single, scored once and also had an RBI. He was also hit by a pitch.
For the pitchers, Zach Thompson pitched a scoreless 2/3 of an inning, giving up one hit. Zack Burdi also pitched 2/3 of an inning allowing one hit, but gave up 3 unearned runs. Danny Dopico pitched one inning and allowed 2 earned runs on two hits.
Tanner Banks and Luis Basabe are also on the team, but did not see action today.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 09, 2018, 11:42:46 pm
Thompson & Dopico threw a wild oitch, Dopico hit a batter
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Post by: Method on October 10, 2018, 06:03:21 pm
welcome back Shawnabs!
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Post by: shawnabner on October 10, 2018, 06:31:29 pm
Thanks Method! I've been around, but mostly been lurking. I haven't posted in awhile.
Glendale Desert Dogs record dropped to 0-2 after a 7-4 loss to the Peoria Javelinas this afternoon.
Luis Robert started at DH and went 1-5 with a strikeout. He was the only Sox minor leaguer to see action today.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 12, 2018, 11:29:13 am
The Glendale Desert Dogs' record dropped to 0-3 yesterday. They blew an 8-1 lead against the Surprise Saguaros and lost 10-9.
Basabe made his AFL debut and went 0-3, but did have a walk and a sacrifice RBI.
Luis Robert went 2-5 with 3 runs scored and an RBI. He is hitting .286 through 3 games.
Laz Rivera went 0-4 with a walk. He is also hitting .286 for the AFL season.
The Glendale Desert Dogs gave up 12 hits and 16 walks, but thankfully none of the White Sox prospects were involved in that meltdown.
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Post by: msf on October 12, 2018, 06:57:51 pm
AFL starts today. I know each MLB team is supposed to only contribute 6 players to a team, but the Glendale roster lists 7 Sox. The additional guy is Min's guy Danny Dopico.
Looks like I put kiss of death on Dopico.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 12, 2018, 11:37:20 pm
The Glendale Desert Dogs dropped to 0-4 on the season, this time losing to the Surprise Saguaros 4-1.
Luis Robert appears to be seeing action every day. Today, he went 1-3 with a run scored.
All the Sox pitching prospects saw action today.
Tanner Banks pitched the 4th and 5th innings without giving up a run. He gave up 2 hits and a walk, but did notch 2 K’s.
Zack Burdi pitched a scoreless 6th inning, walking one batter and striking out one batter.
Danny Dopico started the 7th inning and recorded 2 outs, but not before giving up a run on two hits, a walk, and a hit batter. He also threw a wild pitch. His AFL ERA is 16.20.
Zach Thompson recorded the last out in the 7th inning and the first two outs in the 8th inning, but not before giving up a double and a wild pitch. He was pulled from the game with his runner at 3B and the new reliever gave up a walk and a single, which scored Zach Thompson’s base runner.
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Post by: Shoeless on October 13, 2018, 10:03:21 am
Thanks for the reports Shawn!
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 13, 2018, 11:57:13 am
(https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/sites/csnchicago/files/styles/article_hero_image/public/2018/10/10/0722_eloy_jimenez.jpg?itok=LeLp_rA1) Eloy sparkles as White Sox continue rebuild No. 3 overall prospect ascended to International League, thrived
The Glendale Desert Dogs dropped to 0-4 on the season, this time losing to the Surprise Saguaros 4-1.
Luis Robert appears to be seeing action every day. Today, he went 1-3 with a run scored.
All the Sox pitching prospects saw action today.
Tanner Banks pitched the 4th and 5th innings without giving up a run. He gave up 2 hits and a walk, but did notch 2 K’s.
Zack Burdi pitched a scoreless 6th inning, walking one batter and striking out one batter.
Danny Dopico started the 7th inning and recorded 2 outs, but not before giving up a run on two hits, a walk, and a hit batter. He also threw a wild pitch. His AFL ERA is 16.20.
Zach Thompson recorded the last out in the 7th inning and the first two outs in the 8th inning, but not before giving up a double and a wild pitch. He was pulled from the game with his runner at 3B and the new reliever gave up a walk and a single, which scored Zach Thompson’s base runner.
Thanks shawnabner
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Post by: shawnabner on October 15, 2018, 07:20:30 pm
You're welcome, Shoeless and MSF!
The Glendale Desert Dogs are marching towards futility perfection, dropping their game to the Mesa Solar Sox 8-0 this afternoon. This drops the Desert Dogs record to 0-5.
Laz Rivera was the only White Sox prospect who saw action today. He went 0-4, dropping his AFL BA to .182.
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Post by: msf on October 16, 2018, 10:02:58 am
The Glendale Desert Dogs are marching towards futility perfection, dropping their game to the Mesa Solar Sox 8-0 this afternoon. This drops the Desert Dogs record to 0-5.
Laz Rivera was the only White Sox prospect who saw action today. He went 0-4, dropping his AFL BA to .182.
So strange. I saw that the Brewers, Yankees and Dodgers along with Baltimore were the 4 teams combining with us. Not only losing, but getting killed. Thought for sure we were going to be good.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 16, 2018, 09:29:22 pm
In the AFL the Desert Dogs lost again. Basabe 1 hit & caught stealing.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 18, 2018, 02:13:42 am
The Desert Dogs lost to the Scottsdale Scorpions today 2-1, dropping their AFL record to 0-7.
Basabe led off and went 2-4, raising his AFL BA to .273.
Laz Rivera went 1-4 with 2 K’s, but did score the Desert Dogs only run. His AFL BA is .200.
Burdi pitched a 1-2-3 seventh inning with two K’s. His AFL ERA is still 0.00.
Dopico got the last 2 outs in the 9th inning. In the 10th inning, the teams begin the inning with a runner starting at 2B. Dopico pitched out of that jam, only giving up an intentional BB. To start the 11th inning, Dopico is removed from the game, but he must have inherited the runner who starts on 2B to start the inning because the next reliever ended up walking three batters and Dopico ended up with the loss on an unearned run. Crappy score keeping aside, Dopico pitched well, lowering his AFL ERA to 8.10. Dopico also had 3 K’s.
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Post by: Shoeless on October 18, 2018, 08:24:33 am
Cripes. Wonder if Luis is hurt again
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Post by: shawnabner on October 19, 2018, 12:13:06 am
The Desert Dogs record dropped to 0-8 this evening as they lost to the Salt River Rafters 2-1 in 10 innings.
Basabe went 0-3 with a walk, dropping his BA to .214.
Zach Thompson pitched a perfect 9th inning, picking up two K’s, lowering his ERA to 2.45.
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Post by: BlackSox on October 19, 2018, 12:08:18 pm
Desert Dogs are tanking to get the top draft pick next year
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Post by: Shoeless on October 19, 2018, 01:02:59 pm
Ha!
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Post by: shawnabner on October 19, 2018, 09:52:57 pm
The Desert Dogs won! They beat the Rafters 1-0, improving their overall record to 1-8.
Laz Rivera went 1-3, improving his BA to .222.
Tanner Banks started the game and threw 4 shutout innings. He gave up 3 hits and no walks. He also had one K. His overall ERA is still 0.00.
Zack Burdi pitched a perfect 1-2-3 ninth inning, giving up 3 FO’s. His overall ERA also remains at 0.00.
After playing every game the first week, Luis Robert didn’t play at all the second week. I haven’t seen any thing about him being injured.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 20, 2018, 11:47:33 pm
The Desert Dogs one game winning streak is over. They lost to the Solar Sox 11-8.
Basabe went 2-4 with an RBI and a walk, raising his AFL BA to .278.
Laz Rivera went 1-4 with an RBI, raising his AFL BA to .227.
Dopico pitched 1.2 innings of shutout baseball, allowing no hits and one walk. He also struck out two batters. He lowered his ERA to 5.40.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 21, 2018, 06:47:23 am
Dopico also threw 2 WPs, one of which allowed a run to score.
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Post by: aka Loveland on October 21, 2018, 08:02:29 am
Solar Sox is a cool name.
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Post by: Method on October 21, 2018, 05:55:21 pm
The White Sox have signed infielder Enoy Jimenez, 17-year-old brother of Eloy Jimenez.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 21, 2018, 09:17:30 pm
The White Sox have signed Enoy Jimenez, the 17-year old brother of White Sox prospect Eloy Jimenez.
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Post by: SoxRule on October 22, 2018, 08:22:30 am
So Eloy can't be that mad at the White Sox for holding him down if he didn't talk his brother out of signing with them! ;D
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Post by: BillSharp on October 22, 2018, 04:54:34 pm
Zack Thompson pitched 2 innings, faced 6, struck out 5.
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Post by: Shoeless on October 22, 2018, 05:57:58 pm
Wow. Nice. Robert took BP so ok
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Post by: shawnabner on October 22, 2018, 06:39:12 pm
Break up the Desert Dogs! They are on a roll after winning 2 out of their last 3, improving their overall record to 2-9. Today, they defeated the first place Peoria Javelinas 6-2.
Zach Thompson pitched to the minimum 6 batters over the 5th and 6th innings, getting the first batter to fly out and then struck out 5 batters in a row! Nice! His overall ERA improves to 1.59.
Luis Robert returned from a week long vacation and singled in the second inning and later scored, lined out in the third inning, flied out in the fifth inning, and struck out in the seventh inning. Robert's overall BA is .286.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 24, 2018, 03:21:22 pm
The Desert Dogs were soundly beaten by the Javelinas on Tuesday by a score of 8-1. The Desert Dogs record dropped to 2-10.
Basabe led off and went 0-2, but did draw two BB’s. His overall BA is .250.
Laz Rivera hit second in the lineup and had one hit (a double) in four at bats. He also scored the only Desert Dogs’ run. His overall BA is .231. Rivera also committed an error, which led to one unearned run.
Burdi had mop up duty and pitched a scoreless ninth inning, maintaining his 0.00 ERA. He did allow one hit and tallied one K.
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Post by: BlackSox on October 24, 2018, 04:13:25 pm
Encouraged by Burdi.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 24, 2018, 07:01:09 pm
This afternoon, the Desert Dogs surprised the Surprise Suguaros with a run in the bottom of the ninth to win the game 3-2. The Desert Dogs' record improved to 3-10.
Laz Rivera went 0-3 with a walk. His BA dipped to .207.
Luis Robert had went 1-3 with a double and a run scored. His BA improved to .292.
Danny Dopico pitched 1.2 innings of shutout baseball. He gave up a hit and also hit a batter, but did record two K's. His ERA improved to 4.05.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 25, 2018, 10:19:45 pm
Glendale won
Laz Rivera 4 fer 6 (.286)
Banks started & gave up 3 in 4.2 innings
Thompson picked up his first save with 1.1 innings of scoreless ball - (1.29 era)
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Post by: msf on October 26, 2018, 09:42:52 am
Banks got the win as well, now 2-0
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Post by: Shoeless on October 26, 2018, 03:48:06 pm
Love Banksy
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Post by: msf on October 26, 2018, 08:23:14 pm
The Desert Dogs defeated the Solar Sox 9-8 in 11 innings, improving their record to 5-10.
Luis Robert was the only Sox prospect to play. He went 2-6 with a run scored and an RBI. His BA is up to .300.
Robert had the game winning single in the bottom of 11th.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 27, 2018, 05:58:27 pm
Glendale won again.
Laz Rivera 1 fer 5, 2 rbi
Dopico - 1 scoreless inning, but walked 2.
Dopico's problem is definitely control. Walks, WPs & HBs way too high.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 28, 2018, 11:06:20 am
The Desert Dogs record improved to 6-10. In the AFL West, they trail the first place Peoria Javelinas by 4 games. The Desert Dogs have an off day on Sunday. This week, they play two games against the 8-8 Scottsdale Scorpions, two games against the 9-7 Salt River Rafters, and one game against the 10-6 Peoria Javelinas. Saturday, October 3rd is the Fall Stars Game.
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Post by: shawnabner on October 29, 2018, 06:59:09 pm
The Desert Dogs lost to the Scorpions 7-5, dropping their overall record to 6-11. Their magic number to be eliminated from the AFL playoffs is 9.
In five at bats, Luis Robert lined out, grounded out, reached on an error by the 3Bman and later scored, FO to LF, and homered to CF. His overall BA dipped slightly to .286.
In four at bats, Laz Rivera lined out to SS, struck out swinging, singled to LF, and lined out to RF. His overall BA also dipped slightly to .273.
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Post by: Shoeless on October 29, 2018, 09:19:54 pm
Luis having a solid AFL
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Post by: shawnabner on October 31, 2018, 12:26:32 pm
On Tuesday, the Desert Dogs blanked the Scorpions 3-0, improving their record to 7-11.
In five at bats, Basabe went 0-4 with 4 K’s and also walked once. His overall BA dipped to .208.
In four at-bats, Luis Robert had an RBI single to RF, another single to CF, walked, and struck out. His BA improved to .316.
Zach Thompson pitched the ninth inning and gave up a lead off triple, but then struck out the next three batters to strand the runner and pick up his second AFL save. His ERA is 1.13.
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Post by: msf on October 31, 2018, 02:00:38 pm
On Tuesday, the Desert Dogs blanked the Scorpions 3-0, improving their record to 7-11.
In five at bats, Basabe went 0-4 with 4 K’s and also walked once. His overall BA dipped to .208.
In four at-bats, Luis Robert had an RBI single to RF, another single to CF, walked, and struck out. His BA improved to .316.
Zach Thompson pitched the ninth inning and gave up a lead off triple, but then struck out the next three batters to strand the runner and pick up his second AFL save. His ERA is 1.13.
I think Robert had a single in first that scored the first run. So game winner, heh
I like this Thompson kid ever since they put him in the pen.
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Post by: BillSharp on October 31, 2018, 06:30:28 pm
We really need a scouting report on Thompson.
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Post by: msf on October 31, 2018, 06:34:15 pm
Tall glass of water, about 6-7. Throws hard, max around 96. Not sure on breaking stuff. Has been lights out since moving from rotation to pen. Seems like the kind of kid that really needed that change and has a real good shot at making it next year if he starts out well in AAA.
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Post by: msf on October 31, 2018, 06:38:13 pm
Dopico with another nice outing, ERA down to around 2.60 or so now. He, Banks and Thompson are doing really well.
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Post by: shawnabner on November 01, 2018, 02:02:59 pm
On Wednesday, the Desert Dogs defeated the Rafters 12-6 in 10 innings, improving their overall record to 8-11. This marks the first time this season that they don't have the worst record in the AFL after passing the Surprise Saguaros (7-12). Still a longshot to catch the first place Peoria Javelinas (13-6). Their magic number from being eliminated from the playoffs is 7.
In 6 at-bats, Laz Rivera went 1-5 with a walk and an RBI. His overall BA is .265.
Tanner Banks started the game and pitched 5 innings. He gave up 5 runs, but only 2 of them were earned. He gave up 8 hits, no walks, and struck out 6 batters. He also had a wild pitch. His ERA is 4.91.
Danny Dopico pitched 2 scoreless innings in relief, giving up one hit, no walks, and striking out 4 batters. His ERA improved to 2.79.
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Post by: BlackSox on November 01, 2018, 08:24:30 pm
Zach Thompson is earning (securing?) a spot on the 40-man
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Post by: shawnabner on November 01, 2018, 11:54:59 pm
On Thursday, the Desert Dogs were smoked by the Rafters 14-3, dropping their record to 8-12.
In four at-bats, Luis Robert had an RBI single to CF (stole a base and scored), singled again to CF, PO to 1B, and walked. His BA improved to .341.
No other White Sox prospect played.
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Post by: Shoeless on November 02, 2018, 08:45:15 am
Robert had a second SB and threw a guy out at third. Pretty darn impressive AFL for him.
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Post by: msf on November 02, 2018, 04:41:07 pm
Robert had a second SB and threw a guy out at third. Pretty darn impressive AFL for him.
Yes, he has really gotten hot of late, kicking some ass.
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Post by: msf on November 02, 2018, 04:57:38 pm
Well hell, Thompson imploded and lost the game today.
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Post by: shawnabner on November 03, 2018, 01:34:45 am
The Desert Dogs lost to the first place Javelinas 3-1. It was a pitchers duel through five scoreless innings. Then Zach Thompson came on to start the sixth and promptly gave up 3 hits (2 of them were doubles) and two walks in 0.2 innings, giving up all three of the Javelinas runs. Thompson’s ERA soared to 4.15. The Desert Dogs record fell to 8-13, seven games behind the Javelinas. Their magic number for being eliminated from the playoffs is 3.
Rivera and Basabe each went 0-2. Rivera’s BA is at .255 while Basabe’s BA dropped below the Mendoza line to .192.
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Post by: shawnabner on November 04, 2018, 01:19:14 am
The AFL West defeated the AFL East this afternoon in the AFL All Star Game 7-6.
Luis Robert was the only Sox prospect to see action and he went 0-4 with two K’s.
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Post by: BillSharp on November 05, 2018, 04:47:34 pm
Glendale won 9 to 5.
Basabe 1 fer 2, 3 walks, stolen base (.214)
Robert 2 fer 4 (.356)
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Post by: msf on November 06, 2018, 07:43:19 pm
Well, I think neither Thompson nor Dopico deserve to be put on 40 man roster. No one will take them in Rule V and if they do they will not make that team and we can take them back if we want.
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Post by: BillSharp on November 06, 2018, 10:11:16 pm
disagree on Thompson
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Post by: shawnabner on November 07, 2018, 11:26:57 am
Yesterday, the Desert Dogs were whipped by the Saguaros 10-1. The Desert Dogs record dropped to 9-14.
Luis Robert had two singles in four at-bats, raising his AFL BA to .367.
Laz Rivera went 0-3, dropping his AFL BA to .241.
Danny Dopico pitched mop up duty in the ninth inning of a blowout game and gave up one earned run on 3 walks. He did record one strikeout. His ERA is still respectable at 3.38, but he definitely has exhibited some control issues in the AFL that he will need to resolve.
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Post by: Method on November 08, 2018, 10:23:00 am
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Post by: shawnabner on November 08, 2018, 11:21:11 am
The Desert Dogs dropped a 6-4 contest against the Solar Sox on Wednesday. The Desert Dogs records dropped to 9-15. They have been mathematically eliminated from AFL post-season play as the Peoria Javelinas have clinched the AFL West.
Luis Robert went 1-4 with a walk. His one hit was a solo HR (see Method's post above). It was his second HR of the AFL. His overall BA is .358.
Tanner Banks started the game, but didn't do well. He pitched 1.2 innings and gave up 5 ER's on 5 hits and a walk. Two of the hits that he gave up were HR's. He also had a wild pitch. His ERA ballooned to 5.19.
Zach Thompson pitched the fifth and sixth inning and gave up no runs while allowing one hit and one BB. His ERA is 3.38
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Post by: BillSharp on November 09, 2018, 05:24:16 pm
Roberts went 3 fer 4 today (.386) - His AFL stats a real relief after a pretty bad year in the minors.
Dopico walked 3 in 2/3rds of inning. He just can't throw strikes.
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Post by: msf on November 09, 2018, 05:49:27 pm
Robert had a couple minor injuries this season. Now he is healthy. He is en fuego, SB too. Dopico is really struggling. Thompson has bounced back a bit. Still not worried about 40 man, I highly doubt anyone would keep him on 25-man roster if selected in Rule V.
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Post by: Shoeless on November 09, 2018, 08:32:35 pm
Yep. His injuiries really slowed him down. He may be a July callup
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Post by: BillSharp on November 09, 2018, 11:46:05 pm
A July call up would be stupid, he hasn't even played in AA yet. He has a little time at high-A where he performed poorly.
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Post by: msf on November 10, 2018, 07:56:37 am
A July call up would be stupid, he hasn't even played in AA yet. He has a little time at high-A where he performed poorly.
Agree with Bill. No rushing kids anymore, please. Start him in AA (maybe even High A), if he does well, promote to AAA. Similar track as Eloy this year. Poorly is a bit harsh however, he just did not perform up to his ability. Not like he stunk.
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Post by: Shoeless on November 10, 2018, 01:28:50 pm
He was friggin hurt. He’s a stud
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Post by: msf on November 10, 2018, 05:44:25 pm
In Friday game when he had the 3 hits
Infield single, steals 2nd, advances to third on a sac fly but decides to take home plate as well
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Post by: shawnabner on November 10, 2018, 06:03:14 pm
In the Desert Dogs 5-3 loss to the Scorpions, Luis Robert went 0-4 with a K and Laz Rivera went 0-3 with a K.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on November 10, 2018, 09:02:37 pm
In the Desert Dogs 5-3 loss to the Scorpions, Luis Robert went 0-4 with a K and Laz Rivera went 0-3 with a K.
Basabe 0-4 too, he has been horrid. Thinking he is not going to make it.
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Post by: BillSharp on November 11, 2018, 05:56:45 am
IMO Basabe has always been the most overrated guy in our minors. His career minor league BA is .248.
Still young, if his defense is good he could be a bench player.
Laz Rivera has been the guy who has been a disappointment in the AFL this year.
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Post by: Shoeless on November 11, 2018, 01:40:35 pm
Good tweet:
#WhiteSox Luis Robert has collected a 14-game hit streak in Arizona.
As one scout told me, “If you ever want to feel completely inadequate as a human being, go stand next to Luis.”
@TheAthleticCHI
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on November 12, 2018, 05:32:58 pm
Glendale won:
Roberts 0 fer 4
Thompson 1.2 IP 1 H 1 W 0 R ('292 ERA)
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Post by: shawnabner on November 12, 2018, 11:57:07 pm
Is Burdi hurt? He hasn’t pitched in the AFL in a couple of weeks.
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Post by: BlackSox on November 13, 2018, 04:16:53 pm
I think the shut him down for the year.
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Post by: BillSharp on November 13, 2018, 10:54:51 pm
Basabe & Rivera both 1 fer 4, Roberts 1 fer 5
Min's guy Dopico gave up 3 runs in 1 inning (6.57)
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Post by: shawnabner on November 14, 2018, 05:00:59 pm
The Desert Dogs lost to the Rafters 4-3, dropping their record to 11-18.
For some reason, a .178 hitting Basabe was batting leadoff and went 0-4 with 3 K's, but did manage a walk.
Robert hit cleanup and went 1-4 with a K. He did score a run. His BA is .324.
Laz Rivera hit ninth and went 0-4 with 2 K's. His BA is .215
Tanner Banks started the game and pitched 5 strong innings, giving up 1 earned run on six singles, two walks, and 1 K. His overall ERA improved to 4.43.
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Post by: BillSharp on November 14, 2018, 05:42:05 pm
Robert also had 2 stolen bases, 2nd then 3rd.
His BA has dropped 30 pts since I praised him.
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Post by: msf on November 15, 2018, 12:02:09 pm
Min's guy Dopico gave up 3 runs in 1 inning (6.57)
More like 60 points. He was at .384 after his 3-hit game. Now at .324
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Post by: shawnabner on November 15, 2018, 06:43:55 pm
The Desert Dogs took down the Rafters 4-2 this afternoon. Their record improves to 12-18.
Basabe hit leadoff and went 1-5 with a single and a K. He did get a SB and scored a run. His BA is now at .180.
Zach Thompson notched his third save of the AFL by pitching a scoreless ninth inning. Although he did allow one walk, he allowed no hits and lowered his ERA to 2.70.
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Post by: Shoeless on November 16, 2018, 04:43:50 pm
Robert is a frigging stud. Face of org for next 15 years
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Post by: BlackSox on November 30, 2018, 06:58:48 pm
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Post by: BillSharp on February 18, 2019, 07:09:04 am
hey, DJ Peterson & Donn Roach are back in the Sox org & are non-rostered invitees.
Peterson was actually decent in AAA last year. Roach had smoking stats for half a year at Charlotte before the Sox let him go to Japan. Wonder how he did in Nippon ball.
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Post by: BlackSox on February 18, 2019, 11:39:37 am
Parker Rigler retired, Nolan Brown cut. Liked both.
Min, is AJ Puckett still in the organization?
There are 5 outfielders listed on the AA roster who need to start, WTF?
Have not heard of Puckett getting released. Still probably hurt. Lots of guys not on rosters yet, not really showing who is on the DL (or whatever the hell they call it now). I see 4 OFs on the Barons right now on the website. All 4 will start, Rutherford, Booker and Gonzalez. Adolfo will DH until his arm is healthier. Basabe will be on the DL for a while. Not sure where Fisher is, not sure I care.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 04, 2019, 11:55:04 am
Yeah, Adolfo will DH, but Basabe will not be on the DL for long, so you've got Rutherford, Booker, Gonzalez & Basabe fighting over 3 spots.
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Post by: msf on April 04, 2019, 03:20:16 pm
I bet Basabe goes up to the Knights when he is ready. Maybe not, but rather see him up there playing to keep letting these guys play.
I saw on the Baron website, under transactions, that AJ Puckett was put on the 60 day injured list, Dunning was put on the 7 day one (that is strange).
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Post by: msf on April 04, 2019, 03:26:41 pm
Mike Morrison was released, shoot, he had a nice season last year. Must not have thrown hard enough for our staff who seem to depend a bit much on how fast a guy throws the ball.
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Post by: msf on April 04, 2019, 04:30:53 pm
Couple other pitchers who were released. Blake Hickman and Drew Harrington.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 04, 2019, 11:32:09 pm
Morrison was the closer on Coastal Carolina, that Devan Watts was cut too & he did well last year.
Kubat still at high-A!
Who starts at AA - Roman or Michalczewski?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 05, 2019, 02:44:24 am
Brad Goldburg was cut by Arizona. He had an era under 2.00 in AA last yr but walked 25 in 36 innings.
He had the stuff, just never mastered his control.
Wonder how our own minor league Steve Blass is doing?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 05, 2019, 06:35:53 am
Luis Robert w 2 hr last night.
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Post by: Shoeless on April 05, 2019, 08:52:30 am
Zach Collins hit 2 too
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Post by: BillSharp on April 05, 2019, 07:18:24 pm
Taylor Varnell
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Post by: Juan pizzarro on April 06, 2019, 08:56:58 pm
Madrigal 0-7 with 2 k's
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Post by: msf on April 07, 2019, 08:06:49 pm
I do not care for Roman or Michalczewski.
Another 3 run homer for Robert today. 3 homers and 10 RBI in 4 games. He will not be there after April.
Hamilton got hammered in his 1 inning today, 5 runs. Bullpens all thru the org sucking big time. Burdi with an oblique?
Kubat is just a guy, nothing to get excited about.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on April 07, 2019, 08:52:57 pm
Agree on Robert. He might even be in Chicago by July
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Post by: msf on April 08, 2019, 07:54:29 am
Agree on Robert. He might even be in Chicago by July
he just has to stay healthy. Had a HBP yesterday, those have sidelined him 2 seasons in a row. He is just killing it right now, as is Collins. Our pitching in the minors has been borderline atrocious.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on April 08, 2019, 06:27:46 pm
Good lord. Robert 2-2, double and a bomb
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Post by: msf on April 09, 2019, 08:02:04 pm
Finally some good starts by the pitchers tonight. Cease goes 5 innings, 3 hits, 0 walks and 5 Ks, 73 pitches, leaves with 4-0 lead and gets the win in a 7 inning game (DH with Covey going in game 2, yuck)
At W-S Christian Castillo goes 5 solid innings, 1-1 in that game in the 9th. Robert finally met his match, 0-5 with 2 Ks.
At Kannapolis McClure goes 4 innings, 3 hits, 1 unearned run, 2 walks and 7 Ks. Nice. They are up 3-1, but was 1-1 when he left.
Also, Hanson threw 1 perfect inning in relief. He now has 2 shutout innings in 2 relief appearances. Baby steps but so far so good.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on April 09, 2019, 10:02:50 pm
Thanks for the updates fellers!
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Post by: msf on April 10, 2019, 08:07:42 am
Covey (3ip), Thompson (2ip) and Vieira (2ip) combined on a 1-hit shutout to make it a DH shutout for Charlotte. Collins hit a 2 run homer (his 4th) in bottom of 6th for the first runs in a 3-0 win.
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Post by: Shoeless on April 10, 2019, 10:44:55 am
Kan and WS in afternoon tilts
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Post by: msf on April 10, 2019, 01:56:42 pm
Kanny lost 2-1, W-S lost 4-1, I think those were the scores. LuRob did not play.
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Post by: msf on April 12, 2019, 07:21:17 am
Another big LuRob game. 3-5, 2-run homer, a triple, 3 runs scored, 2 RBI. Birmingham still not hitting but they threw up a 5 run 8th to beat Cubs AA team 5-1 after being no-hit most of the game.
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Post by: msf on April 14, 2019, 07:23:46 am
Robert was 2-5 with an RBI Friday in a 6-3 loss, then went 3-4 with double and triple and 3 runs scored last night in a 4-0 win. Collins, in AAA, hit his 5th homer, another 3-run shot.
BillSharp, I need to start getting on the bandwagon for Kubat, I liked him at first, then sorta let the reports change my mind. All he does is pitch well. He started in the 4-0 shutout for W-S
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on April 14, 2019, 11:03:51 am
Pretty old for his league. Gotta hope Cease Kopech and Dunning work out. Not much else down there
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 14, 2019, 03:08:50 pm
not saying Kubat is a real prospect, just don't understand why they keep refusing to promote him to AA. As I've said before everyone deserves a chance to fail.
BTW, have you seen the BP collapses at Winston-Salem? They could use Morrison.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 15, 2019, 08:28:40 am
not saying Kubat is a real prospect, just don't understand why they keep refusing to promote him to AA. As I've said before everyone deserves a chance to fail.
BTW, have you seen the BP collapses at Winston-Salem? They could use Morrison.
Yep, bullpens have not been good.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 16, 2019, 10:55:01 pm
I think Cordell as he's not in Charlotte's lineup tonight and Delmonico is. And, tomorrow's game is at 1 pm Eastern time.
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Post by: Shoeless on April 17, 2019, 08:25:21 pm
Good catch. And I prefer Cordell. Renteria needs to stop the moronic righty lefty carp
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 17, 2019, 11:22:18 pm
3 great starts tonight by Flores, Battenfield & Varnell.
Stephens another bad start at AAA. He's blowing his shot.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 17, 2019, 11:29:53 pm
Zack Thompson demoted to AA.
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Post by: BillSharp on April 17, 2019, 11:40:55 pm
Charlotte's carrying Pitcher Jacob Lindgren on it's DL. 2nd round pick in 2014, a real stud who made it to the Yankees in 2015. Only pitched 7 innings in 2016 at AAA & hasn't pitched since. Has had 2 TJ surgeries.
Wonder what the story is on him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 18, 2019, 08:36:51 am
Is Jay ready to come off IL?
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Post by: BillSharp on April 18, 2019, 11:18:24 am
Does anyone even know what's wrong with Jay?
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Post by: Shoeless on April 18, 2019, 11:31:35 am
I think Flores will be a solid 4 type starter for a long time
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Post by: Shoeless on April 18, 2019, 11:33:22 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 24, 2019, 11:18:39 am
Taylor Varnell was already 23 when drafted last year -29th round, Oral Roberts.
That's a really old draft age. But he is a LHP.
He may replace Tanner Banks as a Sharpie favorite in the minors. Hopefully he'll continue doing well & get a mid season promotion from low-A to high-A.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 24, 2019, 12:30:06 pm
(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*UAtwPI33tLa-he4hY2zRmA.jpeg) Carolina notes: Kubat keeps 'em guessing White Sox prospect finding success with four-pitch mix for Dash
Mn, hear anything on Tyler Johnson? Been on the Injury List all season.
He was not supposed to be out real long, expected to be back before Burdi I thought.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 25, 2019, 04:50:55 pm
Tonight Cease tries to continue his hot start at AAA, Medeiros tries to turn around a horrid start at AA & Pilkington tries to continue his good start at Low-A.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 25, 2019, 07:09:17 pm
After 3 innings, he has allowed 5 hits, 3 walks, 4 K5 Runs with 3 earned. Losing 5-2. 2nd poor outing in a row.
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Post by: BlackSox on April 25, 2019, 09:01:27 pm
Almost time to call up Cease. He faced adversity... checked the next to last of Hahn's boxes.
How 'bout that Pilkington?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 25, 2019, 09:28:59 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 26, 2019, 08:16:27 am
Cease has now had a couple not-so-good outings in a row. Guess last night they dinked him to death but he did give up a homer and walked his share. He is not ready
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on April 26, 2019, 09:02:36 am
Ks are still good. He needs 5-6 more starts
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 28, 2019, 12:00:07 pm
If Mendick gets called up I suppose we call him the Dickman.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 29, 2019, 04:02:50 pm
Matt Foster & Alfredo Gonzalez promoted to AAA. I like Foster tho he's never mentioned on the prospect lists - his stat line has always been bueno. Gonzalez joins a very crowded catching corp at Charlotte.
I'm worried about Hamilton, since his car accident he's stunk.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 29, 2019, 04:29:53 pm
Matt Foster & Alfredo Gonzalez promoted to AAA. I like Foster tho he's never mentioned on the prospect lists - his stat line has always been bueno. Gonzalez joins a very crowded catching corp at Charlotte.
I'm worried about Hamilton, since his car accident he's stunk.
Birmingham short 2 pitchers and an OF, need to get some folks signed or promoted. Micker Adolfo on the DL with shoulder or elbow problems (reason he missed half of last season). Been just DHing and was just slowly working his arm into shape.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on April 30, 2019, 08:07:14 am
Robert double shy of cycle. Nothing more to learn at W-S. Get him to AA and Steele Walker to WS. I would promote Madrigal too
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Post by: Shoeless on April 30, 2019, 01:05:26 pm
Got my wish
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Post by: BlackSox on April 30, 2019, 01:11:17 pm
Nice work, Shoe.
Burdi also to AA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 30, 2019, 01:30:23 pm
A lot of good promotions. Steele Walker to High A to replace Robert, Kyle Kubat with a shot at AA again, Nin to AAA.
Spencer Adams to IL and Walsh promoted from AA to replace him.
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Post by: Shoeless on April 30, 2019, 01:56:28 pm
Intrigued by Matt Foster. Some very impressive numbers. Some evolving pen guys...Fullmer, Foster, Hansen and of course Burdi. Still have hopes for Fry and Bummer.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on April 30, 2019, 03:20:47 pm
I like that list. Fulmer can be good reliever especially if he can improve his command. Foster is like Kubat, both who BillSharp likes, they just get the job done. Hansen taking babysteps and being successful. I like Fry especially and Bummer can still help I think. Burdi is sort of the key. I look for him not being 100% this entire year and next year really having his stuff back.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 30, 2019, 06:22:42 pm
I thought of Hamilton as the key. His numbers were better than Burdi's or anyone else. It would be so Sox like for him to get into a car accident & derail his career.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on April 30, 2019, 08:41:49 pm
Cease with a strong outing. 6 IP 5 hits, 2R, 1 BB, 11 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: PeteWard on May 01, 2019, 11:25:18 am
"It would be so Sox like for him to get into a car accident & derail his career."
That's what happened to me. Neck and back injury from a car accident and I was never the same
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 01, 2019, 05:11:29 pm
"It would be so Sox like for him to get into a car accident & derail his career."
That's what happened to me. Neck and back injury from a car accident and I was never the same
Is that how Pete Ward got the back problem? Did not realize that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 01, 2019, 11:17:16 pm
Kubat went 7 scoreless innings in 1st start at Birmingham, but the Baron's bats are ice cold this year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 04, 2019, 11:11:50 pm
Hamilton was brought in the 9th with a 4 run lead at Charlotte & promptly gave up 5 runs.
There is something seriously wrong with him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 05, 2019, 07:49:14 am
He sucks.
Burdi gave up a 3-spot in 1 inning for the Barons. All our young hard throwers are sucking big time.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on May 05, 2019, 11:14:15 am
Robert 4-5 with double SB, CS
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 06, 2019, 01:50:42 am
Jake Elliot was just promoted to AAA for some unknown reason.
Charlotte also added former Marlin LHP Justin Nicolino.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 06, 2019, 07:09:39 am
Elliott was likely just promoted for a day or two until things settle down in AAA, they were likely shorthanded two pitchers last night.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 09, 2019, 12:51:31 am
Mendick started slowly this yr., now he's hitting .278 & playing SS, 2B, 3B & OF. Looks like he could be a decent utility guy.
Jameson Fisher couldn't buy a hit at Winston-Salem, suddenly he's up to .279.
The lack of hitting at AA is shocking considering how many highly rated prospects we have there.
Too many of our pitchers aren't developing at all, many regressing. The case of Brandon Brennan makes me suspect that our pitching coaches suck. When I read the reports on our prospects what strikes me is how few are rated as having decent curves.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 09, 2019, 12:53:04 am
Charlotte signed Ivan DeJesus Jr.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 10, 2019, 03:28:54 pm
Nick Johnson (Rhode Island) pitched at Great Falls last yr & had a 0.90 ERA. For some reason he's still at Great Falls. Crazy.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 11, 2019, 01:52:57 pm
Blake Battenfield promoted to AA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2019, 03:56:15 am
Paulo Orlando is back in the Sox org. with Charlotte.
He had one really good yr in 2016 with the Royals.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 12, 2019, 08:32:55 am
Cease with another blech outing.
Bush at Kanny been moved to outfield and he has been doing well. Gonzalez, who did well at GF last year, finally came up to Kanny and is hitting very well. Zangari not so much.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2019, 11:33:27 am
the move to OF seems to have helped Bush's hitting, but I'm against it. 3rd basemen are so much more valuable than OFs. Moving him to OF destroys his value to the organization.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 12, 2019, 01:45:42 pm
We will find a 3Bman, he likely was not really one. He might be one of the 4-5 prospects in the OF, its his bat that is the difference maker.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 13, 2019, 11:05:17 pm
Pilkington got his first start at Winston-Salem & was bombed, walk-a-palloosa.
At AA I see Banks (3.07) has been moved to the pen & Paulino put on IL. Starters now Lambert, Flores, Kubat, Battenfield & Madeiros.
When Paulino returns I'd throw Madeiros to the back of the pen, he stinks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 15, 2019, 12:40:14 pm
Ian Dawkins now .347 BA at Kannap. He was a month shy of his 23rd birthday when we drafted him last yr in the 27th round out of Sacramento State. That's pretty damn old. Remember looking at his college stats & noting he always had a high BA. He should get a promotion soon
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Post by: BillSharp on May 16, 2019, 06:53:42 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on May 18, 2019, 05:04:13 pm
As we watch Nolan Gorman work his way up the minors... Remember we took madrigal.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 21, 2019, 07:58:00 pm
Good to see JB Olson back at Kanny. Been out for a year or more due to TJ Surgery. He was expected to move fast. Had success at Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 29, 2019, 07:02:33 am
Birmingham was down 2 with bases loaded and one out in bottom of 9th last night when Luis Robert hit a game winning 3-run double. He went 4-5, raising average in AA to .303 and his OPS is .889. He had 2 doubles, scored a run and drove in the 3. Had a caught stealing, his 6th, he needs to work on that art.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 29, 2019, 10:30:29 am
If he keeps it up, any chance he sees the bigs this year? I'm guessing they will play the service time game with him, too.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 29, 2019, 10:41:03 am
It's the wsox way. But I hope they won't being him up but for 10 odd at bats in Sept... Like moncada got w Boston a few years back.
Then keep him down long enough for a 7th year next year.
All he'd need to do is sign a team friendly 8-year contract like Eloy did this spring. His family would be "set for life" and there would be no service time worries. Some would argue he & his family should already be "set for life" as his signing bonus was $26 million two years ago.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on May 30, 2019, 12:51:58 pm
Guessing this is what happens. He could be a generational talent. He’s the starting CF next season. Get him up here for 3 months to learn
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 30, 2019, 10:46:39 pm
Kyle Kubat doesn't seem to be having any adjustment problems with AA. I'll never understand why he was kept in A ball for so long.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 03, 2019, 06:31:26 pm
Vaughn? Maybe he can hit, but he' a short 1B-man. Not sure about this.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 03, 2019, 06:51:27 pm
I like it. Garvey was 2 inches shorter. He is a good fielder. They say if any player in this draft is going to hit .300 and 30 homers year in and year out it is this guy.
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Post by: msf on June 03, 2019, 07:12:14 pm
A little more on Vaughn. How long has it been since we had a real good defensive 1Bman, now I am not saying this guy is Mientkewitz or anything like that. But Frank, Pauly and Abreu. I will take my hat off to Pauly who improved immensely, but still had his shortcomings. Mike Squires might be the last guy who could handle the glove really well, maybe Jim Spencer, not sure I recall him being anything great. So a good 1Bman who can save some infielders a couple errors a season maybe? Who can hit .300 and 30 dingers?
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Post by: aka Loveland on June 03, 2019, 07:15:17 pm
I love the glove!!!! Color me happy!
And I miss Mike Squires.
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Post by: BlackSox on June 03, 2019, 07:18:46 pm
If Love & MSF like it, then I like it.
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Post by: aka Loveland on June 03, 2019, 08:22:25 pm
If we had a like button I would like Blackie’s post! Never mind, I never like anything. I forgot.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 03, 2019, 08:54:46 pm
Guessing this is what happens. He could be a generational talent. He’s the starting CF next season. Get him up here for 3 months to learn [/quote
The service time game doesn't bother me, and in fact I like it. It was bargained for and it allows us to have the player for nearly 7 years instead of 6. But for pitchers I don't play that game because most of them are past their prime after 6 years.
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Post by: msf on June 03, 2019, 09:19:54 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 04, 2019, 02:08:11 am
QUESTION: have the Sox ever drafted a pitcher out of high school who made it?
If yes, who was the last one?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 04, 2019, 06:07:29 am
As Andy pointed out rece was on the board. But can easily turn into Hawkins part two. Lots of swing and miss in his game. But he was one of the premier hs power bats of the draft.
Thompson was rated I. The 49-89 range.
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Post by: Method on June 04, 2019, 06:10:15 am
he's a unrated college senior with no leverage as his college eligibility is over, so this pick is probably a stretch & a definite money saver as a good portion of his $394.3k slot value will be saved to sign one of the HS players they chose earlier
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2019, 02:49:04 pm
6th round pick: Avery Weems, University of Arizona, 4YR-SENIOR, LHP 6'2" 205lbs
another unrated college senior with no leverage as his college eligibility is over, so this pick is probably a stretch & a definite money saver as a good portion of his $296.4k slot value will be saved to sign one of the HS players they chose earlier
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2019, 04:16:04 pm
four more 4th year college seniors:
7th round: Karan Patel, U of Texas - San Antonio, RHP, 6'0" 215lbs
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 04, 2019, 05:04:35 pm
Ouch. Lots of punted picks.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2019, 05:27:25 pm
That make six straight 4th-year seniors drafted. Those three HS picks (Thompson, Dalquist & Beard) must have demanded serious $$$$ over their slot values to forego their college commitment.
Who is Andrew Vaughn's 'advisor'? I hope it isn't Scott Boras as he'll demand the $7.22 million slot value plus the 5% overage of the White Sox total SV to sign him. Just like he did with Carlos Rodon.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 04, 2019, 05:52:23 pm
Hope not... but 6 straight punted picks is really discouraging after a great start.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 04, 2019, 05:57:48 pm
Mean while indians grab college junior Xzavion Curry... he has an electric arm.
How is it that teams with far smaller budgets then ours (rays, indians, A's) have no problem spending big on prospects and do it routinely. meanwhile... we're punting away this may picks to sign 3 HS arms.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2019, 06:05:33 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 04, 2019, 06:06:58 pm
Here is indians 7th rounder - https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1104359245166841857
Bill was asking the other day why none of our pitchers have good CBs, because the dodgers/rays/astros/indians drafted them all... and we're too stupid to pick up on league wide trends.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2019, 06:08:36 pm
Mean while indians grab college junior Xzavion Curry... he has an electric arm.
How is it that teams with far smaller budgets then ours (rays, indians, A's) have no problem spending big on prospects and do it routinely. meanwhile... we're punting away this may picks to sign 3 HS arms.
it's TWO HS arms and a CFer that "reminds you of a young Kenny Williams" LOL.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 04, 2019, 06:31:27 pm
What I've seen about his hit tool. He's a pitcher he just won't figure that out for another 6 years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2019, 09:52:32 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2019, 11:44:12 am
It's Day 3 of the MLB Draft. So it is that time for the White Sox to waste draft picks on relatives of their ownership group, their employees and TV talk show hosts. Also time to waste picks on players from their Amateur City Elite (ACE) program who have no intention of signing now.
I put the over/under on these vanity picks at three.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2019, 12:27:15 pm
The White Sox make their first ACE program pick already in the 16th round.
DJ Gladney, a 3Bman from Illiana Christian HS who committed to play at Eastern Kentucky University. They better sign him as they normally don't make their "vanity & reward" picks until rounds 30+.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2019, 12:41:14 pm
Former White Sox RHP Scott Ruffcorn's son was just drafted by the Reds in the 18th round.
Jason Ruffcorn is a 6'1" 194lbs RHP from the U of Oklahoma.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2019, 02:31:43 pm
The White Sox pick college 5th year seniors in rounds 24 & 25. Jakob Goldfarb U of Oregon catcher/of and Hansen Butler a RHP reliever from the University of North Carolina. Those guys have no leverage and are usually offered $5-10k as a signing bonus.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2019, 05:03:24 pm
38th round: Emmet Flood, Glendale CC (AZ), RHP 5'10" 175lbs
(son of a White Sox employee. His father is the minor league clubhouse manager in AZ)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 05, 2019, 05:10:11 pm
can't remember a more disheartening draft. After Vaughn we picked a couple of risky HS pitchers & a HS speed demon who can't hit.
Then we draft a bunch of 4th year college players & several 5th yr seniors.
We picked some junior (3rd year) college players with our picks in the teens, but how good can they be if they lasted that long. Signability for juniors after the top 12 rounds is always a question. We picked a guy in the 17th round out of Georgetown - why should he give up his scholarship at Georgetown for less money than the scholarship is worth?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2019, 05:21:51 pm
can't remember a more disheartening draft. After Vaughn we picked a couple of risky HS pitchers & a HS speed demon who can't hit.
Then we draft a bunch of 4th year college players & several 5th yr seniors.
We picked some junior college players with our picks in the teens, but how good can they be if they lasted that long. Signability for juniors after the top 12 rounds is always a question. We picked a guy in the 17th round out of Georgetown - why should he give up his scholarship at Georgetown for less money than the scholarship is worth?
...and don't expect to sign their 34th & 35th round HS picks as they are baseball commits to two highly rated baseball programs (Missouri State and Texas A&M).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 05, 2019, 05:23:24 pm
complete list of the 2019 White Sox MLB Draft selections:
We picked a guy in the 17th round out of Georgetown - why should he give up his scholarship at Georgetown for less money than the scholarship is worth?
IIRC, in the current CBA drafting teams are allowed to guarantee college tuition & expenses reimbursement to their picks if they sign now and continue their education in the off-season or after their pro-ball careers. Those tuition & expenses are not charged against their signing bonus limits or charged against the teams' total slot values.
So Jeremiah Burke has the option to sign with the Sox and they can offer to pay for his remaining undergraduate tuition & expenses to complete his degree at Georgetown if he finishes school in the off-season +/or when his playing career is done.
Jake Burger, if he's smart, should have completed his degree this year while he's rehabbing and recovering from his surgery. Carlos Rodon should too if he's not already finished his degree from North Carolina State. Same holds true for Dane Dunning as he completed three years at U of Florida when he was drafted.
Any player who signed after their college junior season should take advantage of a program that allows them to complete their degree for no charge.
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edited to add the info on the current MLB scholarship program:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 06, 2019, 04:12:56 pm
White Sox #18 prospect Jimmy Lambert, who is on the Birmingham Barons 7-day IL, was in the crowd today at Wrigley watching his younger brother make his MLB debut pitching for the Rockies against the nort'siders. Peter Lambert went 7 full in a 3-1 win for Colorado.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 12, 2019, 06:51:39 pm
My guy Kubat with another great start last night at B-ham. My guy Basabe is back from his DL stint. Madrigal tearing it up in AA so far; Robert basically saying he's ready for another promotion.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 13, 2019, 03:00:27 pm
In that Birmingham win last night Burdi got the save. I think it is his 3rd in a row. He and Hansen are coming around slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 13, 2019, 06:06:15 pm
Noticed Varnell on IL. I've never seen so many pitchers in Sox minors hurt/disabled.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 13, 2019, 07:10:56 pm
I agree, seems like 4-5 at each level.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 13, 2019, 10:51:05 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 14, 2019, 03:54:56 pm
Great Falls' season starts today.
It still blows my mind that Nick Johnson hasn't been promoted to A ball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 14, 2019, 04:36:54 pm
Yeah, I do not get that one at all.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 15, 2019, 02:44:08 pm
Cease with another bad game last night/
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 15, 2019, 03:54:10 pm
He has not been good of late. Good Twins AAA lineup tho, some major league hitters on that team. Cease was throwing hard but no command. Only 1 strikeout in 5 innings and 3 or 4 walks. He would get killed up here doing what he has been doing the past 3-4 games he has started. Kopech went through a period like this in the 1st half of last season and then really turned it around.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 16, 2019, 10:50:32 am
White Sox: Konnor Pilkington, LHP (No. 19) – 6 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 7 K (Class A Adv Winston-Salem) Pilkington, 21, carried a no-hit bid into the sixth inning for the Dash before finally giving up a two-out single that also plated a run. He bounced back against the next batter to record a swinging strikeout on three pitches, tying a bow on a one-hit outing in which he threw 98 pitches (56 strikes). The 2018 third-round pick out of Mississippi State continues to pile up whiffs in his first full season, as Saturday’s performance gives him 76 punchouts in 58 1/3 innings (11 starts) between two levels. He’s also pitched to a 3.09 ERA, while holding hitters to a .163 average.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 16, 2019, 11:42:14 am
Like this kid
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 16, 2019, 11:53:53 pm
I see that Cleveland picked up Jordan Stephens off waivers from the Sox.
Where they will magically make his h Elite spin rate cb into a high lvg reliever that throws that pitch 40% of the time. I'm sure we tried to get him develop a change to be a starter instead...
Sox still have not figured out how to draft or maximize talent they have through analytics. It's really hard to watch esp when a cash starved teams like the Ray's and Indians set the curve.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 21, 2019, 09:57:03 pm
Cease with another bad game.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 22, 2019, 11:05:04 am
(https://i.imgur.com/rqxgG2x.jpg) Toolshed: Midseason MiLBY leaders Robert, Gore, Rays system on track for award-winning seasons
Last yr's 6th round pick, Cody Heuer, was moved to the bullpen this year and has blossomed. He's already at AA & seems to be holding his own.
He stunk last yr as a starter.
I like Heuer, they say he throws very hard.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 24, 2019, 08:41:14 pm
Battenfield, Parke and Henzman all in AA, they were 3 of the 4 starters who seem to have been coming up together, all doing pretty decently for not being highly rated. McClure is right behind them after losing a year to a knee injury. He may be the best of the 4, doing really well in High A since his promotion.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 25, 2019, 12:15:05 am
Henzman 4th round, McClure 6th, Battenfield 17th Parke 21st. That Reigler guy who was the 5th starter quit baseball.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 25, 2019, 12:21:14 am
Will Kincanon from Indiana State also seems to be having a break-out year out of the pen at Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 25, 2019, 06:28:24 am
Will Kincanon from Indiana State also seems to be having a break-out year out of the pen at Winston-Salem.
Yep, I like him too. He is getting a better chance with all the relievers like Burdi, Johnson etc.... on the DL.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 25, 2019, 11:57:52 am
the problem with Kincanon, Dopico, Vieira, Fulmer, Fry etc., is they walk too many people. Pen guys are called upon to hold the lead or give their team a chance to catch up & that's really hard if you're walking people.
It's why I've liked Foster, he may not be great, but at least he's not giving it away with walks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 25, 2019, 05:15:51 pm
White Sox sign their 2nd round pick Matthew Thompson:
the problem with Kincanon, Dopico, Vieira, Fulmer, Fry etc., is they walk too many people. Pen guys are called upon to hold the lead or give their team a chance to catch up & that's really hard if you're walking people.
It's why I've liked Foster, he may not be great, but at least he's not giving it away with walks.
Good point.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 26, 2019, 04:27:17 pm
No $$$ left to try and entice one of the HS draftees to sign as Andrew Vaughn gets full-slot value:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 26, 2019, 04:38:32 pm
The White Sox need a new salary negotiated as the first 6 overall picks have agreed to sign (3 of which were HS draftees that had the leverage of college) and Andrew Vaughn is the ONLY one to get full-slot value:
https://www.mlb.com/draft/tracker
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 26, 2019, 05:45:25 pm
Those HS kids weren’t going to college
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 26, 2019, 06:04:23 pm
But they had the leverage. Vaughn wasn't going back to college either. A $500K under slot savings would have probably gotten them one of their HS picks to sign.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 26, 2019, 07:39:40 pm
Andy, I read what you posted & it says of the top 7 drafted 6 have signed with 4 of the 6 signing at slot value & 2 slightly under.
Mn, can you explain the cash limits on the 1st 10 rounds & what's different with the bonuses after the 1st 10 rounds - how they're counted differently?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 26, 2019, 08:15:31 pm
Andy, I read what you posted & it says of the top 7 drafted 6 have signed with 4 of the 6 signing at slot value & 2 slightly under.
Mn, can you explain the cash limits on the 1st 10 rounds & what's different with the bonuses after the 1st 10 rounds - how they're counted differently?
You get money slots for the first 10, 1st round being highest of course and 10th round still decent. Round 11 through round 40 they are allowed 125K and can use any of the money saved in the first 10 rounds to entice a couple with 500K etc.... Now every pick from 11-40 does not have to get 125K, many only get 2.5K or 5K, but that savings cannot be used towards any other pick.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 26, 2019, 08:37:49 pm
can use any of the money saved in the first 10 rounds to entice a couple with 500K etc.
Thus the strategy of blowing picks in rounds 5-10 on bum seniors that you can sign for $20K?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 27, 2019, 12:12:41 am
Tyler Johnson pitched an inning at W-S. Good to see he's back.
Dylan Covey pitched a couple of innings at Charlotte. Hard to believe but the Sox need him in the rotation.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 27, 2019, 07:33:16 am
can use any of the money saved in the first 10 rounds to entice a couple with 500K etc.
Thus the strategy of blowing picks in rounds 5-10 on bum seniors that you can sign for $20K?
Correct
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 27, 2019, 10:19:28 pm
Anyone know why Cease only pitched 1 inning tonight?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 27, 2019, 11:14:25 pm
Cut short due to extended rain delay.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 28, 2019, 02:57:57 pm
3rd pick Dalquist signed. $2m
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: shawnabner on June 28, 2019, 04:14:40 pm
Ryan Burr and Jimmy Lambert each had Tommy John surgery on Tuesday, according to Scott Merkin.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: shawnabner on June 28, 2019, 04:43:34 pm
Burdi out for the rest of the year with a torn patellar tendon?!?! I guess that's better than having arm issues, but he's proving to be quite injury-prone.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 28, 2019, 05:37:41 pm
Good Lord! So many injuries to pitchers.
Still wondering what happened to Hamilton & that guy we got from KC, AJ Puckett.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: shawnabner on June 28, 2019, 06:11:32 pm
Ian Hamilton suffered multiple facial fractures when hit in the face by a line drive a few weeks ago and will miss the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 28, 2019, 07:36:17 pm
:'(
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 28, 2019, 10:10:03 pm
Never seen anything like it. Burger out too
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 28, 2019, 11:28:52 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 29, 2019, 03:26:18 am
Vince Arobio spent 2 yrs in A ball basically stinking.
This yr he goes from low-A to High-A to AA. Wonder what turned it around for him?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on June 29, 2019, 09:40:26 am
Farm went 7-1 last nite. Only team to lose was GF
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on June 30, 2019, 01:14:19 pm
Cease being called up to pitch on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 30, 2019, 01:29:34 pm
In his last 4 starts Cease has allowed 16 earned runs in 17 innings.
Only the Sox front office would consider this the right time to call him up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on July 01, 2019, 04:15:06 pm
Well, those numbers fit right in with our rotation so...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 01, 2019, 08:51:09 pm
Covey with rehab start at Charlotte - 4 IP 0 H 0 W 6 K
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 02, 2019, 06:45:40 am
Gavin Sheets leading SL in RBIs.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 02, 2019, 08:34:32 am
Sheets isn't the HR hitter we thought he was when drafted.
the Barons seem to have shaken off their team slump. Rutherford in the .260s now, Rivera in the .240s.
Noticed that C Yermin Mercedes career BA is over .300. We got him in the minor league part of the Rule 5 draft a couple of yrs ago. He's 26 hitting the cover off the ball in AAA. Why isn't he considered a prospect? He deserves to be on the Sox more than Collins.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 02, 2019, 09:17:23 am
They should look at Mercedes like the Twins looked at Astudillo. The guy can hit, likely can catch as well as Collins altho they say Mercedes is brutal on passed balls, but he can throw guys out who are stealing.
Birmingham is a tough place to hit HRs. Sheets has 9, pace for 15-20, that means he could hit 20+ in the bigs. Maybe he will gain more power too, seems to have a good eye and seems to have a clutch bat. Pretty good numbers after the start he had.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2019, 07:40:33 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 02, 2019, 09:03:37 pm
Today was the start of the international league signings, and out of the top 30 we signed none, sand it seemed like all the picks were in random order. The yankees got the #1 guy who is supposed to be the best international signing of the past decade. That decade included Soto, Eloy, Moncada, Robert. and Acuna.
The new rules limit the payments in total per team, the WSox had over $5 million to spend, which was an average amount compared to other teams.
Given that this draft/signing period is as important as the draft last month, if not more, why did we do nothing??????
Does anybody know what the rules are? Is it just a free for all???
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2019, 09:06:26 pm
I like Tatis and Sanchez. Looks like they spent over $3mm and can still sign thru next June 15.
You might be right. It looks like the different prospect rating sites have vastly different rankings on international prospects. Probably because there is much less scouting and videos than here in the states. Also most of these prospects are very young.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 03, 2019, 09:03:56 pm
The SS we took, Sanchez, was the #5 prospect last year. Not sure what happened that he dropped out of top 30. I know his bat is weak, but his defense, arm and speed are big time attributes. Lets see if he can learn to hit a bit.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 03, 2019, 09:39:23 pm
Fernando Sr says Elijah has better stills than Jr.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 04, 2019, 09:17:02 am
Keep an eye on Zangari, right now at Kan. Still just 22 and has been set back by multiple injuries. He likely has no future with Sox as he is very similar to Vaughn
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 04, 2019, 11:39:01 am
Keep an eye on Zangari, right now at Kan. Still just 22 and has been set back by multiple injuries. He likely has no future with Sox as he is very similar to Vaughn
Quite different players actually though, correct? Zangori is a big tall dude, used to be heavier, will hits lots of homers and has decent eye but Ks a ton. Was a hack at 1B his busiest season. Best comparison for Vaughn, in my opinion, is Steve Garvey. Short white dude with power, good hitting knowledge, will be good defensively and maybe become really good.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 05, 2019, 08:12:24 pm
Thanks, Ang, for posting that SSS piece. I now have a new guy: Luis Ledo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZrRS261Edw
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on July 07, 2019, 11:39:46 am
Robert promoted to AAA
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 09, 2019, 08:58:14 am
The org (7 minor league teams counting the DSL team) is now -1 on the season. We were about -15 or less than a month ago. Been real good lately, considering all the pitchers who have been out that is an accomplishment.
Birmingham itself has this for an injured list, just showing pitchers.
Starting pitchers: Dunning, Flores, Lambert, Puckert and Paulino.
Relief pitchers: Burdi
At Charlotte they have Frare, Hamilton and Adams (Lindgren too, but he is in Rookie League getting a few innings in, been 2 years since he got hurt with Yankees.)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 09, 2019, 12:53:33 pm
Kind of amazing. Add Micker, Burger
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 11, 2019, 01:26:31 am
AAA All-Star game:
Ryan Goins 1 fer 2,
Connor Walsh 1 IP 2 ER
how Connor Walsh made it to the AAA All-Star game is a mystery.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 11, 2019, 07:18:12 pm
Luis Robert in his first AAA game tonight. 3rd inning, Charlotte already up 9-2. Robert, batting leadoff and playing CF (Engel moved to LF and out of leadoff slot). Flew out first time up, Sac Fly to tie the game at 2-2 his 2nd inning. Grand Slam his 3rd time up in the 3rd inning. 5 RBI already. Bring this monster up!!!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 11, 2019, 08:32:23 pm
2 bombs! The next Clemente
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 11, 2019, 08:36:31 pm
Wowza, a solo shot his time up after the Grand Slam. Amazing
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Juan pizzarro on July 11, 2019, 09:00:07 pm
Just realized we are seriously missing left hand bats in our future contending WSox
All righty hitting starters C- McCann 1B- Vaughn 2B- Madrigal SS- Anderson LF- Eloy CF- Robert DH- Abreu
All we have is Moncada, and utility guys in Leury and Yolmer, and maybe back up catcher in Collins
No good left hand hitting OF free agents next year
This is why we are trying AJ Reed, and hope Palka, Rutherford can get things going.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 11, 2019, 11:59:41 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on July 14, 2019, 05:35:57 pm
Lelyn Sosa is doing some nice things. I've read some great things about his defense. His contact skills were already good and appear to have improved some. Might not have a lot of pop long term, but GG SS with a 300/340/450 looks to be the ceiling.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 14, 2019, 07:45:07 pm
Sosa just went on IL today
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 15, 2019, 12:20:43 am
Sosa's only hitting .239 at Kannap, but he's only 19, so not a cause of concern.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 15, 2019, 01:28:01 am
Luis Robert completes 1st weekend in Triple A with another hit and his 1st stolen base
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 31, 2019, 12:49:40 pm
Vaughn with a 3-run homer to make it a 4-3 deficit in the 7th. Still down 4-3 in bottom of 9th, man on 2nd and 1 out.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 31, 2019, 02:00:17 pm
What’s the story on Perez. Pretty good relief numbers
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 31, 2019, 02:21:21 pm
Perez (8th, 2018) & Sousa (10th, 2018) have been very consistently good since entering the org. consistency is rare with young pitchers.
BTW, what the hell are the Sox doing with their 2nd & 3rd round draft picks (the H.S. pitchers)? Aren't they going to play at all this year? WTF is the story.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 31, 2019, 02:33:55 pm
What’s the story on Perez. Pretty good relief numbers
I assume you mean Wilber Perez, walking guys but striking them out more. Great ERA. Went from DSL up to Kanny this year, quite a step and he is handling it. We got him from the Brewers last year on one of our trades with them.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 31, 2019, 03:17:38 pm
I thought getting Wilber Perez from the Brewers was a good trade. His DSL #s were great. He's a real skinny guy so he can fill out & get stronger.
BTW, our DSL team has not only gotten better this year, it's gotten much younger. There are actual prospects down there.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 31, 2019, 05:55:20 pm
What’s the story on Perez. Pretty good relief numbers
I assume you mean Wilber Perez, walking guys but striking them out more. Great ERA. Went from DSL up to Kanny this year, quite a step and he is handling it. We got him from the Brewers last year on one of our trades with them.
No dummy, Andrew Perez
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 31, 2019, 06:34:26 pm
I like Wilber better
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 31, 2019, 09:50:43 pm
Wood?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 31, 2019, 10:34:43 pm
Min, you know anything about Cameron Simmons OF Virginia. Think I read somewhere that his college career was ruined by injuries.
Guess he was real good as a soph, then got hurt and never made it back to where he was. Just a guy, doubt he becomes anything.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 02, 2019, 05:06:38 pm
The guy to watch is Jacob Lindgren
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 02, 2019, 08:39:38 pm
Agreed. Before his injuries he was awesome, big time Yankee up and comer.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 02, 2019, 08:42:19 pm
JB Olson is another intriguing one. He had TJ surgery and been about a season and a half now since he got hurt. I have always believed first year back from TJ surgery you are not all there, struggle for that year. The 2nd year is when you are back, sometimes better than before. He got save tonight, striking out all 3 batters he faced. First really top notch appearance for him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 02, 2019, 11:00:29 pm
Robert 2-4, bomb. Yawn
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 03, 2019, 08:06:26 am
7th in AAA in what, 3 weeks? He was called up around the 11th or 13th of July. Mercy
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 03, 2019, 06:49:44 pm
7th what?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 03, 2019, 08:28:05 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 05, 2019, 07:24:43 pm
Walker can hit. Not so sure about Gonzalez
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 06, 2019, 09:33:07 am
I was very high (up) on Gonzalez coming into this year. Did not expect him to struggle so badly. Walker seems to adjust better, but AA is the league I want to see him in, that seems to be the level that separates the players into good or not so good categories.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 08, 2019, 07:58:19 am
there's a guy named Sam Long (LHP) starting for Kannap today, 18th round pick of Tampa in 2016. played in the Ray's system in '16 & 17 and did well, then got cut in the spring of 2018 & didn't play ball last year.
I always wonder about guys like this, where their performance doesn't justify their getting cut. I've always suspected that clubs get rid of guys who are ****, guys they just don't want in their organizations - bad eggs.
Course if a guy with great talent is a turd he's cut slack, but a borderline guy is just not worth it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 08, 2019, 06:48:47 pm
there's a guy named Sam Long (LHP) starting for Kannap today, 18th round pick of Tampa in 2016. played in the Ray's system in '16 & 17 and did well, then got cut in the spring of 2018 & didn't play ball last year.
I always wonder about guys like this, where their performance doesn't justify their getting cut. I've always suspected that clubs get rid of guys who are ****, guys they just don't want in their organizations - bad eggs.
Course if a guy with great talent is a turd he's cut slack, but a borderline guy is just not worth it.
Have not read a lot on this kid, but have never seen a negative word about attitude or being a jag. Guessing he just got cut due to numbers (of pitchers ahead of him in prior org, not due to his numbers). Sometimes missing a year with an injury makes an org forget about you if you were not a high profile guy at any time.
(other than that ordeal with the chicken and Jobu)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 09, 2019, 08:28:13 am
Good night for relievers. A Perez and D Perez both did very well, as did Kinkanon. But especially Tyler Johnson has been looking very good of late in AA, Heuer closing in AA and Lindberg now up to High A and he dominated once more. All 3 of those could be in our pen by next season. Lindberg and Heuer could be a studs.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 09, 2019, 08:35:09 am
Adolpho hit a homer in just his 2nd game for the Sox in the Arizona League.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 09, 2019, 03:56:05 pm
Lindgren, Lindburg flew the Atlantic & made smelly cheese.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 10, 2019, 12:19:45 pm
Spelling is not a strength of MSF. Good to see Adolfo back.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 10, 2019, 04:52:19 pm
Hey, with only 5th grade education before I went to work in the mines!! I try hard.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 14, 2019, 01:27:47 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 15, 2019, 03:51:32 pm
MSF, what do you think of John Parke, pitcher at B-ham? Pretty good stats for a 21st round pick.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 16, 2019, 02:21:59 am
Re: Parke - looking at his stats one thing stands out - a low K rate.
Of that group (Battenfield, Hentzman, McClure) that came from the same draft class Parke right now looks the best. His performance at AA is really, really good. But his K rate is a red flag.
I generally like guys who pitch to contact, usually means enough movement to prevent solid contact. Tommy John never K'ed a lot of guys, but his sinker meant lots of ground balls.
Parke's line last night was 7 innings 2 Ks. That seems common with him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 16, 2019, 02:26:54 am
BTW, I gotta give a hand to Zack Collins, he's hitting .286 at AAA now. He came into the year with like a .238 career BA. I never thought he'd hit for a respectable BA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 16, 2019, 09:18:27 am
Collins has been en feugo since he got sent down; supposed fixed a hitch in his swing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 16, 2019, 09:57:41 am
MSF, what do you think of John Parke, pitcher at B-ham? Pretty good stats for a 21st round pick.
I have always liked Parke, not great stuff, but I think he keeps hitters off balance. Hoping he can be a Buehrle light. He is about the only starter who has stayed healthy through his 3 years.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 16, 2019, 09:58:28 am
BTW, I gotta give a hand to Zack Collins, he's hitting .286 at AAA now. He came into the year with like a .238 career BA. I never thought he'd hit for a respectable BA.
Yep, Collins has impressed me, never expected that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 16, 2019, 06:13:01 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 16, 2019, 07:02:33 pm
Luis Robert was 0-5 with a "golden sombrero" (4 strikeouts) in this afternoon's Knights 5-4 loss. Guess this shows he needs some more work on his hitting in day games before he's moved up to the majors. Nick Madigral hit his first Triple-A HR (an inside-the-parker). Zack Collins with two more hits including a two-run homer. Yoán Moncada made his first re-hab appearance as the DH.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on August 19, 2019, 03:37:21 pm
If calling up kopech atthis point last year was a good idea. Then it's a great idea to call up Robert. We always rush our prospects... Now it appears we have one that is literally on 🔥 and no chatter to have him called up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 19, 2019, 05:06:40 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 20, 2019, 09:41:44 pm
Another day, another home run for Luis Robert to go along with a single and a walk in a 2 for 4 performance. Madrigal and Moncada each with three hits in the Knights 9-3 win.
Avery Weems (6th round Arizona) looks like the only guy we drafted who can pitch.
What about Butler and Cronin, at Kanny and holding their own. Milto and Roper at Great Falls, Caleb Freeman now at GF.
Not a ton of success but far from being only 1 guy. Thompson and Dalquist getting a small taste, no sense pushing them.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 25, 2019, 09:08:25 pm
Butler will be 24 in October, Roper will be 24 in Nov. Rooting for Cronin & Freeman, but neither has pitched much. I think Milto does have bullpen potential.
Most importantly, Weems is the only starter in the bunch.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 27, 2019, 05:07:49 am
rehabbing in Arizona with Dane Dunning:
Kopech, who will be a vital part of the White Sox rotation in 2020, also is there after Tommy John, along with fellow pitchers A.J. Puckett, Andre Davis, Jimmy Lambert and Ryan Burr, as well as infielder Jake Burger, the White Sox top pick in the 2017 Draft who is working his way back from a pair of left Achilles tears.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 01, 2019, 08:23:36 pm
Anyone know anything about Jonathan Allen? Late pick this year but just promoted to WS and had 2 bombs
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 02, 2019, 02:43:58 pm
He is ok. I figured he got the promotion because he is more of an org guy than a true prospect. But he appears to know what to do.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 02, 2019, 04:55:53 pm
Why org type?
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Post by: msf on September 02, 2019, 07:14:35 pm
He has not done much and where he was drafted that is typically what they do with these types. If they went off stats he would not have been the one promoted. He was coming up to be the 4th OF, they like to leave their starters down to keep playing every day.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 02, 2019, 08:39:12 pm
Following in the footsteps of the 1964 Philadelphia Phillies, the Charlotte Knights choked away a playoff spot by finishing 1-8 in their last nine games. Call-ups have not been announced yet but expect Zack Collins and maybe Charlie Tilson +/or Daniel Palka and a couple of pitchers that are already on the 40-man roster. I don't expect them to promote anyone not already on the 40-man roster including Luis Robert unless he signs an Eloy-type team friendly contract in the next few days.
http://m.mlb.com/cws/roster/40-man/
http://www.milb.com/roster/index.jsp?sid=t494
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 03, 2019, 01:56:07 pm
Zack Collins, Daniel Palka and Dylan Covey recalled from Charlotte. Danny Mendick added to the 40-man roster and promoted to the Whie Sox.
Eloy had a helluva lot more total pro at bats. Not even close. I like em both. Robert had a 30/30 in his first full season in the minors. Pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 04, 2019, 09:05:07 pm
Robert slumped last couple weeks. Might be a bit worn down..,three teams, three cities, three apts in 3 months. He may have also been trying to do too much to get promoted. Robert hitting .290 is like Madrigal hitting .450
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on September 04, 2019, 10:50:06 pm
O don't get me wrong. I love Robert as a prospect. But as Min says, this is his first full season in the minors. Yes, Eloy had much more minor league experience. Robert needs that experience.
These are all arguments demonstrating why those clamoring for Roberts to be called up are dopes.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 04, 2019, 11:40:14 pm
Robert should be our starting CF next April
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 04, 2019, 11:54:34 pm
...if he signs an "Eloy-type contract" during Spring Training. Otherwise he'll start the season in Charlotte and we'll see him in Chicago in early May.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 05, 2019, 03:46:18 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EDtuBYCX4AEJOvL?format=jpg&name=900x900) Robert named MLB Pipeline Hitter of the Year
Cuban right-hander Norge Carlos Vera and the Chicago White Sox are in agreement on a deal for a $1.5 million signing bonus that the sides expect to make official when the new international signing period opens July 2. Vera, 18, pitched for Cuba's national team in June against the New Jersey Jackals of the independent Can-Am League and defected after that start. Scouts have compared Vera's ability to that of a high-school pitcher that would go in the draft's second round, commensurate with the bonus the White Sox are set to give him. He's a projectable 6-foot-4 whose fastball sits in the low-90s and has been up to 97, with a slider and changeup that helps his profile as a potential third or fourth starter.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on February 09, 2020, 07:56:56 pm
He was expected to sign for quite a bit more, but his Velo in the showcase was down.
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Post by: Shoeless on February 09, 2020, 08:21:34 pm
97-98?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on February 09, 2020, 09:17:18 pm
He's hit that before... But did not get there in his last showcase.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on February 10, 2020, 03:40:58 pm
Still a very good signing. 19.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on February 11, 2020, 12:16:32 pm
Yuck, not a reliever. I want Howard, the Chicago SS or a starting pitcher, preferably HS.
Howard was a member of the Chicago JRW Little League team that had their LLWS U.S, Championship title forfeited . I'm hoping for Arkansas OF Heston Kjerstad or LHP Reid Detmers from the U. of Louisville.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 10, 2020, 07:14:59 pm
Kjersted went #2
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 10, 2020, 08:13:56 pm
Ed Howard, Jr. drafted by the nort'siders with pick #16.
So glad the White Sox continue to invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in their ACE program to develop future pro baseball players for OTHER MLB organizations. The CWS have NEVER drafted one of their own ACE program players in the first 6 rounds of the draft. But then again, looking at the list of ACE program players drafted by MLB, not one of them has reached the majors. However, Alec Thomas (the son of White Sox conditioning coach) will do so in the very near future for Arizona:
(https://i.imgur.com/26aDM6H.jpg)
BTW, Ed Howard was one of those out-of-boundary players that got the Jackie Robinson West Little League team disqualified after they "won" the 2014 LLWS U.S. Championship. He lived and went to school in Lansing which is far from the the JRW LL boundary area.
What a total f****** s*** pic. Abel was out there. And we took the lh addison reed.
....more likely Royce Ring Part Two. I sure wish Detmers had lasted one more pick.
I'm skeptical with this selection but we'll see. I'll trust the professionals who are paid to make the picks. Maybe he'll follow in Chris Sale's footsteps. I'm doubtful, but hope springs eternal.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 10, 2020, 10:04:09 pm
100-mph fastball is just one of the attractions of pitcher Garrett Crochet, the 1st-round draft pick of the Chicago White Sox: ‘I’m definitely living out a dream right now’
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 11, 2020, 10:32:05 pm
3rd round pick not on anyone's board, not expected to be drafted.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 12, 2020, 02:23:54 am
4th round pick had TJ surgery last month.
I think the 3rd & 4th round picks were low value guys who won't be offered much $, the money saved going to sign the second round pick.
5th rounder may have a yr of eligibility left (past TJ surgery), but turned 22 in January so he has no leverage, more money saved for the 2nd round pick.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 12, 2020, 05:24:01 pm
I think the 3rd & 4th round picks were low value guys who won't be offered much $, the money saved going to sign the second round pick.
5th rounder may have a yr of eligibility left (past TJ surgery), but turned 22 in January so he has no leverage, more money saved for the 2nd round pick.
Story on the 3rd rounder, he was mainly an everyday player until this past season when he made change to mound. He did so well that he is committed to Louisville, who has a very good program. Yes, he is a money saver, but hopefully better than I originally guessed. #5 is, as you mentioned, not too bad either. First year back from TJ surgery and he started out real well before the season ended. Auburn known for decent pitching.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 13, 2020, 03:33:39 pm
Sox signed their top two picks today. Crochet got full slot, and Kelley got way-over-slot as expected.
Nice, I like getting 2 of the top 15 guys in the draft, especially with both being pitchers. I know I was anti-Crochet prior to the draft, hopefully the talk about him being a starter in time holds up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Method on June 22, 2020, 05:30:27 pm
If he's a starter its a much better pick. still upset we passed on Abel.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 27, 2020, 06:03:57 pm
Nice to see us spending on a guy like Kelley, the anti-Mitchell....
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 27, 2020, 10:56:33 pm
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/02/13/PCCT/126da639-fc5c-4c9a-a6f0-a6646aa13c3f-2816237002_BBH-Refugio_Tab_-1.jpg?width=540&height=&fit=bounds&auto=webp) White Sox sign RHP Kelley, 2nd-round pick
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on August 04, 2020, 01:21:39 pm
My guy Basabe got DFA'd. Fare thee well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 04, 2020, 02:11:19 pm
he never should have been put on the 40.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 04, 2020, 04:04:28 pm
He was a big disappointment to me, thought he might be better when we got him in the deal, never progressed.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 19, 2020, 09:49:59 pm
(https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Large/Baseball/224646/224646-14710564Fr.jpg) How Luis Robert landed on the Chicago White Sox’s radar — when he was 15 years old: ‘There’s a guy down here, he’s got a chance to be special’
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 20, 2020, 03:26:06 pm
All 40 spots on the 40-man roster are now filled:
Date Transaction
11/20/20 Chicago White Sox claimed RHP Emilio Vargas off waivers from Arizona Diamondbacks. 11/20/20 Chicago White Sox selected the contract of 3B Jake Burger from Birmingham Barons. 11/20/20 Chicago White Sox selected the contract of RHP Tyler Johnson from Birmingham Barons. 11/20/20 Chicago White Sox selected the contract of 1B Gavin Sheets from Birmingham Barons.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on November 21, 2020, 10:42:23 pm
putting Jake Burger on the 40 is insane, he hasn't played in a minor league game in a couple of years. No chance in hell he gets picked in rule 5. he just needed protection in the minor league portion.
Glad Johnson rostered.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 23, 2020, 05:58:47 pm
so do the Sox lose any of it's minor league teams?
yes
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on December 11, 2020, 10:31:02 pm
explain.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 11, 2020, 11:07:57 pm
They lost one minor league team. Actually the whole Rookie Advanced Level has been eliminated by MLB as the affiliated minors will now have five levels instead of six. Short-season Rookie Advanced Pioneer League Great Forks Voyageurs is out as a White Sox farm team. They will now become an independent team, non-affiliated with MLB, like the Schaumburg Boomers, Joliet Slammers, Windy City ThunderBolts, Chicago Dogs, Gary SouthShore RailCats, etc.
The MLB Draft is shrinking also from 40 rounds to 20 rounds. The draft also moves to mid-July.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on January 17, 2021, 10:52:03 am
Information that I have read also said that the Sox signed a kid Vera who is a right handed pitcher for something like $1.5M along with some other Latin players including 4 or 5 from Venezuela including a short-stop and a catcher. The influence of the great defensive shortstop of all time, Luis Aparicio, is still out there I believe:)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on January 17, 2021, 04:48:44 pm
That only mentions Vera and Cespedes. They signed about 6-8 other guys, a couple for nearly 1/2M each. One is a 3Bman and another pitcher. There is some posts over on SoxTalk with a bit on each player.
Vera has hit 97 on the gun recently and his father was a pitching legend in Cuba.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 17, 2021, 06:38:58 pm
Yoelqui Cespedes and Norge Vera will receive $2.05 million and $1.5 million respectively. 3B Quezada will sign for around $525K. Prominent Venezuelan signings: Guariman, a catcher around $475K0, outfielder Dario Barrero $350K and righty Adrian Gil for $250K
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 17, 2021, 06:40:15 pm
Yoelqui Cespedes and Norge Vera will receive $2.05 million and $1.5 million respectively. 3B Quezada will sign for around $525K. Prominent Venezuelan signings: Guariman, a catcher around $475K0, outfielder Dario Barrero $350K and righty Adrian Gil for $250K
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on January 17, 2021, 09:32:35 pm
Yoelqui Cespedes and Norge Vera will receive $2.05 million and $1.5 million respectively. 3B Quezada will sign for around $525K. Prominent Venezuelan signings: Guariman, a catcher around $475K0, outfielder Dario Barrero $350K and righty Adrian Gil for $250K
I like the approach that the White Sox have done with these Latin players. Sure, not all of these guys are going to make it put based on past experience some of them will. The best thing is that they are HUNGRY. the lion's share of these guys have been very poor their entire lives and will bust their asses off to make it. I think that on the average, the Latin kids are hungrier to make it than American kids and in a lot of cases just need some structure to handle their development as well as keep them off of the "juice" and allure of what goes on around them in the states.
I've had the occasion during my former coaching days to have a team that have played against teams from the DR, Mexico, Venezuela, and even Cuba in various Big League baseball sponsored youth tournaments. In general terms, the great majority of the teams which we played against were very poor equipped and kind of lacking defensive-wise, some were pretty much smaller than their American opponents. But they were fun competitors, all wanted to SWING THE BAT and RUN their butts off:) They also, appeared to be having more FUN playing baseball than a number of American kids did.
In some of these tournaments, the American teams would actually given the foreign teams used equipment, bats and balls, and pass the hats amongst the people watching the games to help the teams out while they were here. It was really fun for me when I got the chance to do this. My coaching specialty is pitching and some of the tournaments had clinics in which American coaches, including local high school and even college coaches would help these kids with advice and critique. One thing I found out, though, was baseball has its own unique language that is universally understood.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on January 19, 2021, 03:33:57 pm
Be interesting to see if Colas waits until next January...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on January 19, 2021, 03:53:26 pm
Supposedly he will wait, he must really want to be a White Sox player
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on January 19, 2021, 09:57:53 pm
Supposedly he will wait, he must really want to be a White Sox player
I just hope like hell, that there are no "shenanigans" going on if you know what I mean. Some very interesting stuff goes on in some of these locales:)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 24, 2021, 01:42:47 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: PeteWard on February 08, 2021, 10:08:24 pm
Why does Madrigal still get listed as a prospect? I now they didn't play an actual whole season and he missed a bunch with that shoulder injury but isn't he a "seasoned veteran" now?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 09, 2021, 12:48:24 am
In MLB, a "prospect" is a player than still qualifies as a "rookie". Madrigal still has "rookie status" for the 2021 season so he still is considered a "prospect". Once a player reaches the minimum PAs, IP, or active days on the 25-man roster they lose their "rookie status" and stop being considered a "prospect". Madrigal didn't reach the cutoff point in 2020. Michael Kopech still qualifies for "rookie status" even though he was credited with a full year of service time while he was on the DL for the entire 2019 season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on February 09, 2021, 08:00:40 pm
This is what I learned today.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 09, 2021, 08:50:49 pm
more on rookie status:
Quote
A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit.
A player must have rookie eligibility to be considered for any MLB rookie awards -- such as the American League or National League Rookie of the Year Award -- or appear on any MLB Pipeline prospect lists.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on February 28, 2021, 07:04:14 pm
I'm hoping Cespedes can help by the end of the year. He has more experience than Vaughn, but I kinda doubt it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on March 20, 2021, 07:51:22 pm
crazy baseball rule changes for the minors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJr1tzSDg2s
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 08, 2021, 12:08:18 pm
(https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Cards/Baseball/60237/60237-3555462Fr.jpg) The on-field prank that got a catcher released 'My heart's beating. I can't believe I'm doing this. I'm committed.'
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on April 29, 2021, 06:08:28 pm
(https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20200714/sports/307149895/AR/0/AR-307149895.jpg&updated=202007142109&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80) White Sox will send Jake Burger to Triple-A Charlotte amid other aggressive minor-league assignments
(https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20200714/sports/307149895/AR/0/AR-307149895.jpg&updated=202007142109&MaxW=900&maxH=900&noborder&Q=80) White Sox will send Jake Burger to Triple-A Charlotte amid other aggressive minor-league assignments
I love underdogs hence my giant hope for Mercedes for a couple of years. I also rooted hard for Rodon because of his physical set-backs. Now my rooting goes out to Burger. Everyone on a couple of other boards I was on for awhile gave up on this guy, called him a bust and a loser and why? Because he was a bit flabby and got badly injured twice. Personally, I like semi rotund guys who can pitch or hit. I'd much rather see them than roided up muscle bound yoyos who can't:)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on April 30, 2021, 12:05:48 am
Anything else interesting in that athletic.com article besides Burger?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on April 30, 2021, 10:43:44 am
Anything else interesting in that athletic.com article besides Burger?
We'll never know, huh?
....or you and Sharp can sign-up for the 7-day free trial and then possibly spend $59.99 (5 bucks a month) to subscribe to TheAthletic.com for a year to view all their ad-free sports reporting.
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Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 03, 2021, 04:10:11 pm
Yoelki Cespedes not on the list. Probably will start in the AZ Rookie League:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 05, 2021, 09:58:45 pm
I remember the off season and in spring training when the subject was what the Sox do with right field. A number of people argued that an aging and injury prone formerly decent right fielder named Eaton was just fine. I said that Eaton was not going to be much better than the guys that the Sox had last year. Most of the argument assumed that right field wasn't a priority nor was the outfield in general.
Well, we have seen the mother F***ER of all bad fortune fall on the outfield haven't we and it while hindsight is 20-20, I think that it was a dumb move not to upgrade our outfield and assume Eaton was going to be the answer. Now we have a first baseman playing left field, a and two guys in Eaton and Hamilton that are barely hitting their meager weight and a barely adequate reserve assuming a starting role in way too many line-ups. By the way, how about that attempted bare hand stab at a ball in right center field? What the hell was that about.
I'm done with Hamilton. I'm done with Lamb. I'm done with anyone not named Sheets coming up to the major league to play the outfield. Eaton should be a part time player against certain pitchers mainly left handers. He obviously is worn out due to age and previous injuries. He's gassed and no longer a viable starting player. Hahn need to take charge of this roster and act like a guy who sees that this roster right now is not a championship roster. Starting some guys named Lamb, Hamilton, Garcia is ridiculous. Especially when guys like Grandal and Abreu are in the middle of the order and not hitting worth a crap. Maybe these guys know that if they don't drive in the runs, nobody hitting after them will do it
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 06, 2021, 12:13:38 am
Battenfield picked up a W with 5 shutout at AA. liked that group - McClure, Henzman, Battenfield & Parke from the 2017 draft. All at Birmingham except 4th round pick Henzman who has been lost in the organization ether.
My guy Tanner Banks picked up a win at AAA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 06, 2021, 12:14:00 am
White Sox's Yoelqui Cespedes: Waiting on visa issues
Cespedes will head to Double-A Birmingham once some visa issues are resolved, Jim Callis of MLB.com reports.
The younger brother of Yoenis Cespedes is currently in extended spring training, but he will head to Double-A for the start of his age-23 season once that gets resolved.
Nobody said Eaton was “fine.” We all said that Hahn was probably done acquiring RFers, no matter what we wanted/ thought.
Not sure of who here was happy about the Eaton signing honestly.
You're probably right. Before this season I was messing around on a couple of other boards and there were guys who liked Eaton and thought that it was a fine notion to bring him in. I just know that I was arguing with anyone who thought that he was an upgrade.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on May 06, 2021, 09:49:54 am
Nobody said Eaton was “fine.” We all said that Hahn was probably done acquiring RFers, no matter what we wanted/ thought.
Not sure of who here was happy about the Eaton signing honestly.
You're probably right. Before this season I was messing around on a couple of other boards and there were guys who liked Eaton and thought that it was a fine notion to bring him in. I just know that I was arguing with anyone who thought that he was an upgrade.
To be clear, Eaton IS an upgrade over 2020.
That doesn't mean he's adequate... it's just a scathing indictment on the RF situation in 2020 to state that Eaton is an upgrade.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 06, 2021, 12:03:29 pm
Nobody said Eaton was “fine.” We all said that Hahn was probably done acquiring RFers, no matter what we wanted/ thought.
Not sure of who here was happy about the Eaton signing honestly.
Correct. I did not want Eaton but once we got him we were done with OFs
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 06, 2021, 12:11:51 pm
We've gotten off-track here.
This is "Down on the Farm" so let's stay on topic and take the Eaton discussion to the appropriate topic (2021 White Sox/Sox Management).
Bird of Prey I know you're new here but post your thoughts in the appropriate topics. These threads are not "free flow" but are topic specific.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 07, 2021, 01:12:20 pm
Our minor league teams are off to a scintillating 3-9 start. Not much pitching down there. Even our so-called studs struggled. Just their first time out, but there appears to be a pall over our teams this year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2021, 01:57:04 pm
Our minor league teams are off to a scintillating 3-9 start. Not much pitching down there. Even our so-called studs struggled. Just their first time out, but there appears to be a pall over our teams this year.
"It's all TLR's fault" [/sarcasm]
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 07, 2021, 03:59:45 pm
Nobody said Eaton was “fine.” We all said that Hahn was probably done acquiring RFers, no matter what we wanted/ thought.
Not sure of who here was happy about the Eaton signing honestly.
You're probably right. Before this season I was messing around on a couple of other boards and there were guys who liked Eaton and thought that it was a fine notion to bring him in. I know that I was arguing with anyone
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 07, 2021, 04:01:15 pm
Our minor league teams are off to a scintillating 3-9 start. Not much pitching down there. Even our so-called studs struggled. Just their first time out, but there appears to be a pall over our teams this year.
I never cared about win loss records for minor leagues. And its just started.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 07, 2021, 05:12:53 pm
Our minor league teams are off to a scintillating 3-9 start. Not much pitching down there. Even our so-called studs struggled. Just their first time out, but there appears to be a pall over our teams this year.
I never cared about win loss records for minor leagues. And its just started.
Well, I follow them and I care.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 07, 2021, 06:02:45 pm
The purpose of the minor leagues is for player development. Both for the major league team and for use as a future trade commodity. While won/loss records don't matter to the parent club, they don't want the players to get comfortable with losing.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 09, 2021, 06:20:09 pm
Burdi gave up 4 runs in top of 9th today for Charlotte, Tyler Johnson has been putting gasoline on the fire in every game he has been in. Burger hit a homer for Charlotte, his first hit this season.
Birmingham has been playing well the other 3 teams not so much.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 10, 2021, 10:10:57 am
Strange trade. Arizona League Dodgers trade RP Jacob Gilliland to the Arizona League White Sox. First of all, you never see that listed like the minor league clubs trade, it would have been LA to Chi. Just looked very different. Gilliland was 32nd round draft pick in 2018, spent the rest of that season and 2019 in the Rookie League. Decent stats. Dodgers must have had too many pitchers for their roster and since Sox and them share the Arizona facility the Sox took him.
Strange trade. Arizona League Dodgers trade RP Jacob Gilliland to the Arizona League White Sox. First of all, you never see that listed like the minor league clubs trade, it would have been LA to Chi. Just looked very different. Gilliland was 32nd round draft pick in 2018, spent the rest of that season and 2019 in the Rookie League. Decent stats. Dodgers must have had too many pitchers for their roster and since Sox and them share the Arizona facility the Sox took him.
It's probably a situation where the Dodgers "loan" Gilliand to the AZL White Sox team. Gilliand remains the "property" of the Dodgers organization but will play for the Sox farm club this season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 10, 2021, 06:17:26 pm
Strange trade. Arizona League Dodgers trade RP Jacob Gilliland to the Arizona League White Sox. First of all, you never see that listed like the minor league clubs trade, it would have been LA to Chi. Just looked very different. Gilliland was 32nd round draft pick in 2018, spent the rest of that season and 2019 in the Rookie League. Decent stats. Dodgers must have had too many pitchers for their roster and since Sox and them share the Arizona facility the Sox took him.
It's probably a situation where the Dodgers "loan" Gilliand to the AZL White Sox team. Gilliand remains the "property" of the Dodgers organization but will play for the Sox farm club this season.
That is probably correct
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 12, 2021, 07:47:41 am
Neither guy is hitting for average but it was nice to see Burger at Charlotte get his 2nd homer and Adolpho at Birm get his 2nd as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 12, 2021, 07:48:17 am
Battenfield with nice start for Birm again. 5 shutout innings, 0 walks and 9 Ks
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 12, 2021, 10:23:01 am
I had to look that guy up.... 17th round pick in 2017.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 12, 2021, 10:24:41 am
Our minor league teams are off to a scintillating 3-9 start. Not much pitching down there. Even our so-called studs struggled. Just their first time out, but there appears to be a pall over our teams this year.
I never cared about win loss records for minor league
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 12, 2021, 10:25:55 am
Neither guy is hitting for average but it was nice to see Burger at Charlotte get his 2nd homer and Adolpho at Birm get his 2nd as well.
Sheets is off to a good start and looking good in the process. I think he has a chance to make the big club.
I'm jumping on the Sheets bandwagon.
I've always liked the potential of this guy who unfortunately for him had been kind of forced down by the fact that the Sox had Abreu, Vaughn and others already manning or earmarked for first base. But he was a high second round pick and I like his balance at the plate, plus he is a lanky potential long ball hitting left handed hitter.HE really didn't get much of a chance in spring training because they wanted to give Vaughn as many at bats as they could and he didn't get many starts in right field either and I think they made a mistake in not doing that.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 12, 2021, 05:09:48 pm
from Scot Gregor's twitter feed:
Reynaldo Lopez activated and is starting for Class AAA Charlotte tonight. Had May 2 surgery on both corneas to correct vision issue that was causing blurred vision.
Burger with his 3rd homer. 3-20 on the year, all homers, heh
Ron Kittle II?
He did go 2-4 yesterday with a single and double. Sheets had two hits including decisive RBI single, Burdi had perfect inning with 2 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 14, 2021, 01:16:57 pm
that Bilous guy from Coastal Carolina had his best start ever - 5 IP 10 K 2 H 1 R (Winston-Salem)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 14, 2021, 01:24:23 pm
The kid Thompson had 5 shutout innings for Kanny.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 14, 2021, 01:33:41 pm
Thompson, Dalquist & Kelley are the H.S. kid pitchers the Sox have invested high picks with after the Sox ignored H.S. pitchers for a long time. It'll be interesting to see if any make it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 14, 2021, 05:01:02 pm
All 3 in the rotation at Kanny. This was first start any went more than 3 innings. On pitch counts early.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 15, 2021, 02:47:22 am
Kanny had a no hitter thrown at them. 0-10 now. they really stink.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 15, 2021, 06:02:11 am
Kanny had a no hitter thrown at them. 0-10 now. they really stink.
Thurs night they got 6 in the 1st with 1 single, 1HBP and about 7 walks. Led 6-0 after 5 and Thompson went out. Was 6-3 in bottom on 9th but of course they gave up 4.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 15, 2021, 06:26:29 am
Isaiah Carranza, we took in 12th round of 2018 draft, missed the end of 2018 and missed 2019 due to Tommy John surgery. He was out of Azusa Pacific in Cal and the brass was very high on him. He is starting at W-S this year, last night he went 5 shutout innings giving up just 1 hit. Another decent chance to go along with Thompson, Dahlgren and Kelley. Bilous, Battenfield, McClure, Parke and maybe Henzman are all older and have outside chances of making it.
1 hitter who has struggled for a long time since we took him is Luis Curbelo, plays infield, mostly 3B. 6th rounder in 2016 and all of a sudden he is hitting the ball a ton at W-S, to go along with the SS Sosa, an OF Destino and 2B Cruz and become the Spanish Armada at Winston-Salem.
Pilkington at Birm had his 2nd nice start in a row. If he has regained some of his velocity, that he lost (not hurt) for a year or two. He was highly rated as a frosh/soph in college, projected to be top 10 pick, then had an ok Jr year and fell down to 2nd or 3rd round when we took him. Has pitched steadily for us, gotten a lot of innings but not been terrific.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on May 15, 2021, 08:51:37 am
Nice to see what can happen when you draft based on talent and not JUST upside or “talent floor.”
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 15, 2021, 09:23:01 am
I was trying to remember the Carranza story. We picked him knowing he needed TJ surgery if I remember correctly.
While Joel Booker is no longer a dark horse prospect, my long shot prospect is now Ian Dawkins, tho it looks like he will struggle for playing time this year at Birm. They really need to ship Min's guy Granite to AAA & clear out some of the wasted space at Charlotte.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 15, 2021, 01:54:33 pm
I was trying to remember the Carranza story. We picked him knowing he needed TJ surgery if I remember correctly.
While Joel Booker is no longer a dark horse prospect, my long shot prospect is now Ian Dawkins, tho it looks like he will struggle for playing time this year at Birm. They really need to ship Min's guy Granite to AAA & clear out some of the wasted space at Charlotte.
Yes, Carranza and Sox were honest with one another. We let him sit for 2 1/2 years and now he is finally pitching live.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 15, 2021, 02:45:34 pm
Giolito and Cease were both known to need TJ surgery before they were drafted by the Nats and the Cubs. That's why they dropped in the Draft from their earlier pre-draft rankings.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 15, 2021, 05:13:29 pm
Dalquist gets start today and leaves after 3 innings and 44 pitches. 3 hits, 0 walks and 2 Ks. His longest and best start by far. Up 1-0
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 16, 2021, 12:56:05 am
Kannap finally won a game. Their best hitter at this point is AJ Gill. A guy we signed last summer as a undrafted FA out of the baseball powerhouse Aurora college.
AA: Parke 5 IP 2 H 1 R at AA. Carlos Perez is clearly the best catcher prospect we have in the minors. He needs to be put on the 40 after the season.
AAA: Don't know about his defense, but Marco Hernandez has proved his bat is major league quality. Shame he doesn't play center. If Fry comes back healthy then Nik Turley is a trade commodity, left handed relief pitchers always seem to be.
Is it my imagination or are there more minor league Free Agents in the organization this year? The Zach Muckenhirms of the world seem to dot the rosters. (welcome back Peter Tago)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 16, 2021, 10:54:38 pm
thought Taylor Varnell had a breakout 2019. Sox have moved him to the pen & kept him at high-A ball. Don't get it.
Battenfield 5 IP 3 unearned runs, ERA now 0.60
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 17, 2021, 06:31:09 am
Varnell has done ok, he has split between starting and the pen. I know he had one nice start and then went long in the pen twice at least. They have a lot of slop in AA and AAA, would be nice to get rid of some of them.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 17, 2021, 08:28:44 am
just don't call my guy Tanner Banks slop!
tho it's probably a good description of what a soft tossing lefty throws.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 21, 2021, 07:04:59 pm
Lambert with a nice 3 inning start tonight. 5 Ks, and just 1 hit, a homer. Burger and Mahtook hit homers for Charlotte, up 2-1. Sharp's guy Tanner Banks now in.
Dalquist went 3 good innings, up 4-2
Davis Martin with a no-no through 5 for W-S
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 21, 2021, 08:19:58 pm
I love to hear about Thome working with him. Thome and Konerko seem to me as two of the best all around power hitting studious hitters in my memory and have to be great to learn from. It is terrific to see Sheets understanding what guys like this did and learn from it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 22, 2021, 02:06:39 pm
video is a few months old, but worth watching:
From Minors to Majors: Developing the White Sox Pipeline
White Sox Assistant General Managers Chris Getz and Jeremy Haber join Len Kasper to discuss the future of the White Sox young stars. They go over the development and hopes for Garrett Crochet, Andrew Vaughn, Jake Burger and more. Hear about the White Sox system from the architects who helped build it.
link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd7-nItfKeo
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 22, 2021, 07:23:55 pm
Kelley with 3 shutout innings with 4 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 23, 2021, 06:38:13 am
Burger with a double and homer. Burdi with 2 shutout innings, walking 3 but striking out 4. I think he has had 2-3 shutout outings in a row. Burr blew the save however. Stiever left after 1 inning in which he gave up two runs. Watch, he will probably be our next Tommy John surgery candidate.
Kanny lost despite Kelley's start. Jose Rodriquez did get 4 hits including a homer and 2 doubles. MLB.com picked top hitting prospect for each team, Rodriguez got it for the White Sox. Now hitting .324, OPS .898. I think he is better at 2B than at SS, but plays both
Adolpho up to .278 and showing some power, Battenfield with 5 innings allowing just 1 run. Good year for him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 23, 2021, 10:09:19 am
Burger with a double and homer. Burdi with 2 shutout innings, walking 3 but striking out 4. I think he has had 2-3 shutout outings in a row. Burr blew the save however. Stiever left after 1 inning in which he gave up two runs. Watch, he will probably be our next Tommy John surgery candidate.
Kanny lost despite Kelley's start. Jose Rodriquez did get 4 hits including a homer and 2 doubles. MLB.com picked top hitting prospect for each team, Rodriguez got it for the White Sox. Now hitting .324, OPS .898. I think he is better at 2B than at SS, but plays both
Adolpho up to .278 and showing some power, Battenfield with 5 innings allowing just 1 run. Good year for him.
I expect Burdi to come up at any point when a reliever goes down. I think that he has closer in his future.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 23, 2021, 08:23:43 pm
Rutherford & Burger with 3 hits, Rutherford now .317.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 24, 2021, 10:53:54 am
Clearly Burger is showing why the Sox drafted him. He is a very strong young man with power to all fields. He has a pretty simple swing also. Its nice to see him make it back after his two severe injuries. Hope he keeps it up.
Edited to correct mistakes in the use of the quote feature. BoP you don't need to overuse the quote feature especially when you're replying to the last post. Stop it please.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 24, 2021, 12:48:22 pm
Bird, you put your response in the previous quote again.
It should be quote followed by response, not response in quote.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 24, 2021, 03:51:27 pm
Clearly Burger is showing why the Sox drafted him. He is a very strong young man with power to all fields. He has a pretty simple swing also. Its nice to see him make it back after his two severe injuries. Hope he keeps it up.
Edited to correct mistakes in the use of the quote feature. BoP you don't need to overuse the quote feature especially when you're replying to the last post. Stop it please.
oops. I do like to show what has been posted that I am responding to, however. I think it produces context to the reply. Others may disagree but that is how I want to do it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 25, 2021, 07:04:02 pm
Sure, I stick up for Thompson and then this happens
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 25, 2021, 07:09:34 pm
One sleeper arm, Bilous, promoted to AA, making start for Birmingham tonight, down 1-0 after 2, has 3 Ks.
Was hoping McClure was that big sleeper arm, all the stories of him throwing so much harder etc... build my expectations up. He had a line in the boxscore that takes all year for a pitcher to recover. Gave up 9 ERs without getting out of the 1st inning I think.
Battenfield so far is holding onto a good start.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 25, 2021, 09:41:34 pm
Engel 1 for 4, HR
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 25, 2021, 11:14:38 pm
One sleeper arm, Bilous, promoted to AA, making start for Birmingham tonight, down 1-0 after 2, has 3 Ks.
Heh, add an 'i' in the middle, and you have one great name for a reliever.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 26, 2021, 01:25:25 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 26, 2021, 02:33:03 am
Did Yoelqui Cespedes get kidnapped?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 26, 2021, 07:43:19 am
New word for me Blackie.
Cespedes still yet to get his paperwork done to play ball in the States.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 26, 2021, 03:10:24 pm
Hamstring pull for Eaton. Come-on...Bring up Sheets please:)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 26, 2021, 10:09:11 pm
Engel 2 for 4, double, stole a base, made an error.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 26, 2021, 10:25:53 pm
We're set okay right now. After all, we have Garcia and Hamilton to play center field:(
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 27, 2021, 06:42:22 am
Sheets was pulled out of the game last night after 2 At Bats, I bet he gets called up if Eaton goes on IL
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 27, 2021, 06:46:59 am
Nice outing for Lambert, 3 innings, 3 hits, 1 run, 2 BBs and 6 Ks. He is coming around a bit, slowly but surely. Burdi 1 inning with 3 Ks. Sharp's man Tanner Banks gets ripped.
At W-S, Davis Martin goes 5 innings, 3 hits, 2 runs and 10 Ks with 0 walks
McClure working on lowering that ERA, goes 5 innings, 4 hits, 1 run, 1 walk and 9 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 27, 2021, 09:01:10 am
Just read that Sheets has had 4 errors already in LF (it said LF, not RF, thought he played RF).
I guess he played 1B last night, made a nice catch on a foul ball and ran into the fence and fell over it. So he likely got pulled because he got hurt rather than getting called up. Sounds like Eaton day to day anyway.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 27, 2021, 09:30:35 am
We're set okay right now. After all, we have Garcia and Hamilton to play center field:(
I would love to have a comparison of our five bench position players against the rest of the league. Lamb, Collins, Mendick, Hamilton, and Garcia have to be at the bottom of the hitting stats in every category. Its awful.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 27, 2021, 09:33:13 am
Just read that Sheets has had 4 errors already in LF (it said LF, not RF, thought he played RF).
I guess he played 1B last night, made a nice catch on a foul ball and ran into the fence and fell over it. So he likely got pulled because he got hurt rather than getting called up. Sounds like Eaton day to day anyway.
I just looked up the Charlotte Knights web site and it showed that Sheets had three errors charged at 1b and one error in left field. I may be that if they bring him up they want him to learn left field before sending him up. Gives them more flexibility.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 27, 2021, 11:50:18 am
Charlotte playing early today, up 4-1 in the 2nd. Neither Sheets nor Engel in the lineup. Engel has hit well this week, he may be coming up to hopefully replace Lamb.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 27, 2021, 12:29:37 pm
Jace Fry starting a Charlotte rehab assignment today.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on May 27, 2021, 12:33:17 pm
One sleeper arm, Bilous, promoted to AA, making start for Birmingham tonight, down 1-0 after 2, has 3 Ks.
Heh, add an 'i' in the middle, and you have one great name for a reliever. <snicker>
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 27, 2021, 01:16:38 pm
Jace Fry starting a Charlotte rehab assignment today.
He has one inning in, 1 BB with 2 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 29, 2021, 06:14:08 am
4 hits for Goodwin and Sheets, 3 hits each for Rutherford, Beckham and Hernandez. 25 hits for Charlotte in 17-5 win. Engel 2 more hits, he has hit since he started playing, now at .417
Barons lost. Parke started and took the loss. Only hilite for me, Hansen with 2 innings, 4 Ks and 0 (zero) walks. Amazing. Not that he will ever turn it around but he has had 7.2 innings in a row now w/o giving up a run.
Dalquist with another **** poor start
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 29, 2021, 10:35:11 am
Hopefully Eaton is back with the big club on Monday.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 29, 2021, 11:23:03 am
Hopefully Eaton is back with the big club on Monday.
Engel too, heh
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on May 29, 2021, 07:37:28 pm
I think Engle will never be back.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 29, 2021, 07:51:19 pm
I'm expecting Engel to be back Monday. Joining the team in Cleveland for the doubleheader. That two-hit two RBI performance in the 1st game for Jake Lamb just might have saved his roster spot. Don't be surprised if Mendick is sent down to Charlotte when Engel returns.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 29, 2021, 09:07:05 pm
I'd send Ruiz down.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 29, 2021, 09:42:48 pm
Ruiz is out of options I believe.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on May 29, 2021, 10:12:58 pm
...and with no scheduled off-days until June 7th and two doubleheaders within a three day span (a total of 11 games in 9 days), it would be foolish to add a position player while dropping a pitcher from the 26-man roster.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 29, 2021, 10:54:05 pm
You're right and they have a double header coming up with Cleveland so it'll probably be Mendick sent down. Hopefully they can take the game tomorrow before they start with Cleveland. Beating probably the worst team in the league is a good thing at this time because all wins count the same and you have to take wins when and where you can get them. This is going to be a difficult series with Cleveland coming up.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 30, 2021, 06:35:20 am
I saw an ex-Sox, Tyler Danish, pitched against Birmingham last night, Angels signed him and he has pitched twice now really well. He really bombed out after he left the Sox as a minor league free agent. Always liked the kid, good to see him get another chance.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on May 30, 2021, 11:31:20 am
Hopefully Eaton is back with the big club on Monday.
Engel too, heh
Heh.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 30, 2021, 03:05:48 pm
Wonder if Burger is going to get any work at 2nd base? I've been following him and he has gotten his BA up to around ,280 and is still hitting the long ball. With Moncada being a vacuum cleaner at 3B unless he gets traded for a LOT, Burger will need another position or be himself traded. If I were the Sox, I'd give him some time at 2nd base and see what happens. Then they would have some options for trading Madrigal or opening more eyes about the versatility of Burger as a trade possibility. The Sox also seem to have a few guys in their minor league system that can swing the bat and play second base.
I am not dissing Madrigal by the above. He's okay but I think that his ceiling is what we are seeing right now.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 30, 2021, 03:27:41 pm
I want to hang onto Madrigal, the kid can hit. 4th triple today, leads the league. Burger is a big body to be playing middle infield.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 30, 2021, 03:33:53 pm
I want to hang onto Madrigal, the kid can hit. 4th triple today, leads the league. Burger is a big body to be playing middle infield.
I'm greedy. I want options to make the team better. Also, there are some pretty big second baseman out there right now. Burger also has lot quite a bit of weight since drafted and injured. He lost something around 40 pounds as a matter of fact.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 30, 2021, 05:33:03 pm
He is still a big boy. He is a good 3Bman but I would suspect he does not have necessary range for middle infield. You need to be strong up the middle on defense and right now we are when we have Robert, all except Catcher it appears.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 30, 2021, 05:45:22 pm
Stiever knocked out after 2 innings.
Jace Fry with 1 perfect inning, striking out 2. Now in 2 outings he has 2 scoreless innings, 1 walk and 4 Ks.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 30, 2021, 07:08:49 pm
He is still a big boy. He is a good 3Bman but I would suspect he does not have necessary range for middle infield. You need to be strong up the middle on defense and right now we are when we have Robert, all except Catcher it appears.
They won't know if they don't try him at second base. ANd Madrigal is not a good defensive second baseman. His range is okay but his arm is below average. Also, in a good offensive line-up he is a number nine hitter. He may develop as a good two hole hitter if he learns to take a pitch to allow Anderson to steal a base. The two hole hitter is a very important guy in the line-up. My ideal two hole hitter for the present White Sox team is Moncada looking forward.
Bottom line, its a nice "problem" to have when you have a guy, a former number one draft pick and a former number two draft pick(Sheets) raking in 3A with the big club in first place in their division:)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 30, 2021, 08:05:03 pm
Good Lord Bird. It's a miracle Burger can still play 3rd after 2 Achilles tendon surgeries. Even when drafted the scouts questioned his ability to stay at 3rd. Right now Burger has a total of 69 minor league games under his belt. He needs to play and get experience & not experimented with at shortstop, catcher, pitcher whatever.
You might as well propose Mercedes as the answer to our centerfield problem. (please don't get any ideas)
ION, Kannap is 2 and 22. they may be the worst team in the minors.
AAA: Sheets - .326 Rutherford - .306 Burger .280 the best of the vets is Marco Hernandez - .365
the pitching at Charlotte generally sucks, shame we threw away Ian Hamilton.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 31, 2021, 09:11:24 am
I just disagree. Good baseball organizations primary purpose on the minor leagues is "developing" young players to be major league players. Nothing else is close. Second base is by far the easiest position in the infield to play also. So why not let them see if Burger can play it? Certainly Madrigal is not defensive whiz at second base. Why lock Burger down to 3rd base? Give him and the White Sox some options for him.
Its the same thing with Sheets. He was drafted in the 2nd round as a first baseman. Well, with Abreu and Vaughn ahead of him there will be no spot for him so they talked to him about playing outfield which certainly is more of a need and he is doing well at 3A. The same thing should be done with Burger. It is just good sense for an organization to consider.
Look, for example, what they did with Moncada. They put him at 2nd base and he struggled. They moved him to3rd and he thrived. Now, maybe Burger can[t hack it at 2nd base either. But no one knows that yet because it hasn't been asked of him to do it. As for his size being a limiter of him, there have been some pretty big second baseman in baseball history. The Twins have a huge guy at second base right now and he does fine. Then there is always Bobby Grich as an example.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on May 31, 2021, 10:35:47 am
2nd base is shortstop for left handed hitters. MLB isn't little league.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on May 31, 2021, 11:42:00 am
I guess I just think Madrigal is going to be one helluva player. I must hold him in higher regard than the rest of you. Maybe because I rarely see a game, rely on highlights for the most part on mlb.com. I know his struggles in the field are a concern, but he does not have a ton of pro ball under his belt. I see him being much more reliable and steady in the field as he matures. His arm is not so good so 2B is the only place he can play. But he is going to hit and he will hit with more and more gap power. He is walking a bit more this year already. He leads the league in triples last time I checked. He has a decent amount of RBIs considering where he hits in the lineup. As far as I am concerned 2B is in good hands (pun intended).
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on May 31, 2021, 01:46:09 pm
Kind of nuts to suggest Burger to go to 2B IMO... especially before Moncada.
It's not like Moncada was moved to 2B as an "experiment." That was his natural position coming up, and it wasn't until 2019 that he was moved to 3B.
Granted, he wasn't really playing well at 2B, but he may have a better go of re-learning 2B now that he's more established and comfortable at this level.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 31, 2021, 04:23:37 pm
2nd base is shortstop for left handed hitters. MLB isn't little league.
Nope. It is the easiest by far of all of the infield spots to play. The shifts make it somewhat more difficult but it is way easier than the other positions.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 31, 2021, 04:28:35 pm
I guess I just think Madrigal is going to be one helluva player. I must hold him in higher regard than the rest of you. Maybe because I rarely see a game, rely on highlights for the most part on mlb.com. I know his struggles in the field are a concern, but he does not have a ton of pro ball under his belt. I see him being much more reliable and steady in the field as he matures. His arm is not so good so 2B is the only place he can play. But he is going to hit and he will hit with more and more gap power. He is walking a bit more this year already. He leads the league in triples last time I checked. He has a decent amount of RBIs considering where he hits in the lineup. As far as I am concerned 2B is in good hands (pun intended).
I just think that his ceiling is mediocre to average second baseman. He doesn't have any range or throwing arm and will never have any power.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on May 31, 2021, 04:35:52 pm
Kind of nuts to suggest Burger to go to 2B IMO... especially before Moncada.
It's not like Moncada was moved to 2B as an "experiment." That was his natural position coming up, and it wasn't until 2019 that he was moved to 3B.
Granted, he wasn't really playing well at 2B, but he may have a better go of re-learning 2B now that he's more established and comfortable at this level.
I have no problem with Moncada moving back to second base and batting 2nd in the line-up. This, of course, is just spit balling. I just think that Burger provides potential impact next year.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 01, 2021, 02:00:13 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 02, 2021, 08:34:23 am
Engel 0-4, Jace Fry 1 inning, 2 BBs and 1K, Burger with his 6th error.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 02, 2021, 10:59:22 am
Remillard at AAA now, .295 at AA .316 at AAA. combined OBP is .451.
Dawkins sent back to Winston-Salem & gets 3 hits in 1st game.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 03, 2021, 08:07:38 am
Lopez went two innings, 2 runs on 2 hits, 4 BBs and 3 Ks. Engel 1-4 with a run scored. Burger 1-4 with an RBI, Sheets 0-4 with an RBI.
Pilkington had 3 innings of perfect ball going with 4 Ks before game was suspended. Barons had gone up and down in their 2 innings as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 03, 2021, 06:16:36 pm
Birm leading that suspended game now 5-2 in the bottom of 7, Kubat likely gets the win with 3 decent innings. Adolpho now up to .247 and hit his 7th homer, if the guy could get healthy I would like to see what he could do in another year or so.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 04, 2021, 08:46:04 am
Birm leading that suspended game now 5-2 in the bottom of 7, Kubat likely gets the win with 3 decent innings. Adolpho now up to .247 and hit his 7th homer, if the guy could get healthy I would like to see what he could do in another year or so.
Adolpho is pretty much coming to the end of his rope as a player unless he suddenly discovers a good batting approach. The Sox sent him a pretty good message when they sent him down to 2A. He'd better improve pretty dramatically I think offensively.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 04, 2021, 02:07:28 pm
Birmingham has a nice pitching staff.
Pilkington 2.35 ERA Battenfield 2.52 Bilous 2.57 Parke 3.38 Only cowboy Kade McClure is struggling at 6.33. Henzman has been on the IL/DL all year.
In the pen Kincanon is on the IL/DL which has given minor league FA Ofreidy Gomez (25) a chance to shine - 1.08 ERA, .78 WHIP. LHPs Perez and Sousa continue to due well out of pen as they have since being drafted in 2018. Big Jake Elliot has been steady.
A milb FA Emilio Vargas started 4 games, .276 ERA then was put on something called the development list and no longer appears on the Barons roster. Weird.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 04, 2021, 02:30:22 pm
4 days after being put on Bereavement list I found this
Dominican Republic activated RHP Emilio Vargas.
when looking at https://www.milb.com/player/emilio-vargas-642496
So I think he is going to pitch in some series for the Dominican Republic and maybe we let him take leave for it??
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 04, 2021, 02:31:46 pm
Parke had a 6 inning 1 hitter last night, his first real nice start. Barons are our best team down in the minors. Them and W-S.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 04, 2021, 04:24:07 pm
So I think he is going to pitch in some series for the Dominican Republic and maybe we let him take leave for it??
The WBSC Baseball Americas Qualifier for the Olympics is going on right now in West Palm Beach, Florida. It's a 8-team tournament and the top two teams left qualify for the Olympics in July. We down to 4 teams: USA, Canada, Dominican Republic & Venezuela. Former Sox Todd Frazier, Edwin Jackson, Jon Jay and David Robertson are on the USA roster. USA plays Canada tonight in a Super Round game. Game starts at 7pm ET on ESPN+.
Former White Sox minor leaguer Eddy Alvarez is also on the USA team. With a win tomorrow vs. Venezuela, Team USA qualifies for the Olympics where Eddy Alvarez will be one of the few athletes in history to compete both in a Winter Olympics (2014 Silver Medalist in short track speed skating) and a Summer Olympics (baseball).
Stiever with 6 nice innings in a 4-0 win. Jace Fry went 1 inning and Burdi also went 1 inning. Fry now has 5 games with 5 IP, 0 hits, 4 BBs and 7Ks.
Those three guys mentioned all have major league up-sides. Main things with each of them is delivering pitches under pressure consistently as well as staying healthy. I really like Burdi's potential but it is on him to get the mindset that a closer or set-up guy needs. Not every person has that in him. The ability to lock out all of the noise and pressure while on the mound is very difficult.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on June 06, 2021, 12:32:18 pm
I've given up on Burdi. Stiever finally had a good game. Best starter at AAA is that vet Mike Wright (2.10 era) a former 3rd round draft pick. Fry walking 4 and hitting one batter in 5 innings is a worry.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 06, 2021, 02:55:11 pm
After 4 innings Charlotte leads 3-0. Lambert is dealing. 4 IP, 1 H, 3 BBs, 5 Ks. Sheets 2 run homer for 2 of our runs
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 06, 2021, 07:48:42 pm
I've given up on Burdi. Stiever finally had a good game. Best starter at AAA is that vet Mike Wright (2.10 era) a former 3rd round draft pick. Fry walking 4 and hitting one batter in 5 innings is a worry.
Its a matter of confidence and repeatability of a delivery more than anything else. Burdi has terrific stuff and Stiever just needs innings to build up his strength. I think that what gets lost quite a bit in this season is the fact that these minor league players have missed an entire season and a half of playing and those who are coming off surgery are in a worse position yet. Plus, the minor leagues started much later than the major league season.
One of the pluses for the White Sox in all of what's happened thus far is that their pitching staffs both in the majors and minors are in great shape. This isn't true in a lot of cases for a lot of teams. Some of it is luck but I'll take it what ever it is. Right now, top to bottom, I'll take our starting staff and bull-pen over any in baseball. And by a fair amount. There are four guys who are legitimate "aces" in Rodon, Cease, Lynn, and Giolitto who on any given day can absolutely shut another team down. Add in the great specialty weapons of Crochet and Kopech and with two unhittable guys in the back end of the bull-pen, this team. pitching wise, is set-up for major damage in the play-offs.
I'm still critical and worried about the outfield and over-all offense and that will not change until they do something about it. I don't want them to assume that both Jimenez and Robert will come back this season and be the players that they were before injury. I think that they should assume that they won't and make the decisions necessary to win the World Series without Jimenez and Robert.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 08, 2021, 08:06:21 pm
2 more scoreless/hitless innings for Fry tonight. 1 BB and 2 Ks
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2021, 07:21:23 am
Lambert is leading AAA pitchers in strikeouts per 9 innings, around 17. He has struck out 30 in 16.1 innings.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 09, 2021, 10:09:40 am
Lambert is leading AAA pitchers in strikeouts per 9 innings, around 17. He has struck out 30 in 16.1 innings.
He showed okay in his call-up outing. He really, I think, needs to focus on his location. You can get away with stuff in the minor leagues but when you miss in the big leagues it can really cost you. He really may be lost in the number game with a lot of great to good pitchers ahead on him in the pecking order. This, however, doesn't mean that a pitcher like Lambert and others cannot make the major leagues. He may be part of a trade package down the road. This may be Steiver's path also?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 09, 2021, 11:03:53 am
This Bailey Horn fella could be someone to keep an eye on:
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 09, 2021, 11:57:06 am
Yes, Horn has outdone all 3 of our supposed young studs: Thompson, Dalquist and Kelley
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 09, 2021, 12:14:57 pm
The Kannapolis Cannon Ballers has some "legacy" off-spring on its roster. SS Brandon Bossard is the Sodfather's son and bench coach Pat Leyland is the son of Jim Leyland. Third baseman DJ Gladney was a member of the White Sox Amateur City Elite (ACE) travel program.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 11, 2021, 12:51:14 am
(https://www.baseballamerica.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/CWS-Plate-900635-300x211.jpg) 2021 Men's College World Series: Super-regional schedules, previews
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 11, 2021, 06:53:10 am
Burdi came in the bottom of 9 in a 2-2 game. Gets one out then gives up walk-off homer. Burger 0-4, not often he does not get a hit. Sheets 1 hit and run scored.
Dalquist with a really nice start. Goes 5 innings, 2 hits, 1 unearned run, 2 walks and 7 Ks. Best start for him thus far, adjusting to the jump. Homers by a couple of the young hitters Ramos and Gladney.
Parke with a rare poor start, Hansen is a can of gasoline and it is time to release him. Still cannot find the plate, its been 4 years since his great season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 12, 2021, 08:37:09 am
Fry went 1.1 innings last night, 3 hits, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K and almost blew the lead for Wright, but Schryver got the save and Charlotte won. Burger 1-3 with a double a run and a SF RBI. Sheets was 1-3 with a BB and a run scored. Rutherford all the way down to .255 now, he stinks.
Birmingham also wins, Battenfield now 5-0, Adolpho with his 8th homer, Romy Gonzalez (the SS) hit two homers and also now has 8. Gonzalez may be a player.
W-S lost
Kanny won.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 12, 2021, 09:25:40 am
Kanny won.
That's a rarity
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 12, 2021, 12:02:45 pm
Since they were 2-20 they have gone 5-6
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 12, 2021, 07:00:28 pm
Its the development of the players that is important.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 17, 2021, 04:01:12 pm
Scott Merkin tweet:
Jared Kelley, the No. 1 White Sox prospect, per MLB Pipeline, had some elbow soreness after a side session following his previous start on May 22 for Kannapolis. The White Sox were cautious and quieted the soreness before he continued throwing.
Doctors are confident there were nothing more than minor inflammation and per the White Sox he is now asymptomatic and has begun throwing again in an attempt to build him back up and then get him back into games. More in today's notes on http://whitesox.com.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 17, 2021, 04:21:37 pm
Someone in the Sox brass is reading our board and taking advice from Bird.
Jake Burger is starting at 2B tonight for Charlotte. Last night he hit his 7th homer, a 3 run job, and also had a double with another RBI. He had been slumping prior to that and dropped below .250
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 17, 2021, 07:37:46 pm
Tim Beckham, former big leaguer playing at Charlotte for the Sox has hit his 5th homer in 3 nights. 2 each of the last 2 games and this one tonight. 9 total now for Beckham who started real slow, up to about .240 now. Burger hit his 8th, a two-run shot. Mikey Mahtook hit one as well, just wanted to say that name, makes me grin.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on June 18, 2021, 09:29:16 am
Just read that Burger started his first game at second base yesterday. Good for Chris Getz and the White Sox staff. The decision was made before Madrigal got hurt and just makes sense in terms of players being able to have different avenues to the major leagues. It used to be that 2nd basemen were smaller guys but not always. Bobby Grich for example was a big guy and there were others. And several teams have pretty big guys playing 2nd base. It is good for both the team as well as the player because scouts will see what a guy can do over-all and not be pigeonholed into a position
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 19, 2021, 09:53:32 am
Tim Beckham played 2B for Charlotte last night, went 2-4 (up to .252) with his 6th homer in 4 games (10th overall). This is the guy who may eventually get called up to play 2B.
Burger 2-3 as the DH, had a triple and a run scored.
Stiever took the loss giving up 4 homers in the process.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 19, 2021, 10:20:43 am
Probably makes sense to give Beckham a shot before the trade deadline.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 19, 2021, 11:51:31 am
The problem for Beckham is the 40-man roster is full. So someone needs to either go on the 60-day IL or removed from the 40-man roster to be able to promote Beckham. I guess Alex McRae would be the first to go but remember they already have five players on the 60-ay IL (Jimmy Cordero, Jace Fry, Nick Madrigal, Eloy Jimenez and Luis Robert) and movement back onto the 40-man must be made when they are ready to return.
https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/roster/40-man
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 19, 2021, 04:20:05 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on June 21, 2021, 01:56:48 pm
Konnor Pilkington looks good at Birmingham.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 24, 2021, 06:56:18 am
Burger, playing 2nd for the 3rd time, went 4-5 with his 9th homer and 13th double. .295/.338/.582 and 29 RBI
Only concern, in 146 ABs, he has 9 walks and 40 Ks.
His bat will play in the major leagues, missed over 2 entire seasons, almost 3, jumps from low A to AAA and has more than held his own. Lost a ton of weight too but still a big kid.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 24, 2021, 01:39:03 pm
Micker Adolfo hit a walk-off solo shot in the bottom of the 9th, his 11th homer, in the Birmingham win last night.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 24, 2021, 02:29:27 pm
Encouraging about Burger & Adolfo
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 26, 2021, 06:27:57 am
Wow, a horrible stat
Carlos Rodón, who started Friday, is trying to become the second White Sox first-round Draft pick since 1990 to make the All-Star roster. He would join southpaw Chris Sale, who was an All-Star from 2012-16, each year he started for the White Sox.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 27, 2021, 12:00:20 am
Yoelqui Cespedes hit his first homer as a member of the @WSDashBaseball in Asheville tonight.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 27, 2021, 10:18:25 am
I think Yoelqui has been hit by 4-5 pitches after his first few games. Must stand pretty close to the plate. One game he was hit 3 times.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on June 28, 2021, 01:39:03 pm
Any idea on ticket information for the Arizona Rookie League Sox?
Nothing on the website... next step is to call Camelback Ranch, but can't do that right now from an airplane...
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 28, 2021, 02:32:45 pm
I tried. Will look a bit more. Best I could find was
AZL White Sox Camelback Ranch Complex 10710 W. Camelback Rd. Phoenix, AZ 85037 Manager: Ever Magallanes Coaches: Felipe Lira, Gary Ward, Luis Silverio Telephone: 623-302-5200 Fax: 623-302-5334
but that is just a phone number.
I did see something that was a twitter address or a facebook page or something
@ACLWhiteSox (they call it ACL now, instead of AZL, stands for Arizona Complex League, go figure.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 28, 2021, 02:34:37 pm
It was Twitter, saw the little bird up in the corner, here was an example of the Rangers
Go follow our new Arizona Complex League team account, @ACLRangers !
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 29, 2021, 11:10:08 pm
Jake Burger went 4-4 to with a double and two walks for @KnightsBaseball, Yoelqui Cespedes hit three doubles in a four hit night for @WSDashBaseball and Bryan Ramos and Jose Rodriguez each had multi-hit games for the @Kcannonballers. Fun night!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 30, 2021, 09:14:21 am
Burger had a homer, double and 2 singles besides the 2 walks. It was his 10th homer
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 30, 2021, 09:19:13 am
The guy impressing me is Yolbert Sanchez. We signed him maybe 2 years ago. Folks all in an uproar due to some experts saying he would never hit good enough, just a glove guy. I realize he is older than most at Winston-Salem, but he is now hitting in the 3 spot, showing some power but hitting consistently and driving in runs. 2 hits and 3 RBI last night. Up to .288 now
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on June 30, 2021, 11:45:58 am
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 30, 2021, 08:20:18 pm
Cespedes hit that homer earlier in game. Down 4-3 in the 8th he leads off with a bunt single to 3Bman. Scores tying run a bit later on a hit by Sosa (the SS who is also on a long hot streak) after Sanchez moved him over with a single. Quite a few real good players coming out of that team this year. The signings from Latin America are really starting to pan out.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BlackSox on June 30, 2021, 08:26:46 pm
The signings from Latin America are really starting to pan out.
Yay!
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on June 30, 2021, 08:41:48 pm
The signings from Latin America are really starting to pan out.
Yay!
At W-S we have Sanchez, Sosa and Curbelo at 2B, SS and 3B respectively. Cespedes in the OF eventually, just been DHing as adjusting to pro ball.
At Kanny we have Rodriguez at SS (might be our best hitting prospect in the system) and Polanco at 3B is pretty good, missed a lot with injury but has been hot since activating him. Ramos at 3B (might be our 2nd best hitting prospect in the system). Mieses (OF) and Mendoza (1B) are doing well here but struggled when they were trying to start them out at W-S.
Of course in AA we see Adolfo having a nice year, but he has to make the team next year or he can go elsewhere. Still Ks too much, about 35%
Need some pitchers from there doing better.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 01, 2021, 01:26:20 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 01, 2021, 08:22:28 pm
Hope we do not take Fabian, wonder if he is Fabio's brother?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 02, 2021, 08:12:04 am
Charlotte lost 7-6. Stiever took the loss. Burger did not play, hmmm
Birm won 4-1, Bilous goes 5 innings, 1 hit, 1 BB and 6 Ks for the win.
W-S got drilled 16-3, but Cespedes hit his 3rd homer (went 1-4) and Yolbert Sanchez was 2-4 with a homer and 2 runs scored. Horn was lights out on the mound for Kanny, but in his first start for W-S he went 1/3 of an inning and gave up 7 runs. Ouch
Kanny also got beat up, 10-2, 2 hits for Ramos.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 02, 2021, 05:21:54 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 03, 2021, 03:24:08 pm
Charlotte won last night, 4-0, Jimmy Lambert went 5.2 innings, 2 hits, 3 BBs and 8 Ks. This kid is going to be a decent pitcher, do not want to trade him. Need to keep Lambert, Burger and Sheets.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on July 04, 2021, 10:01:49 pm
TiQuan Forbes promoted to AAA.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 05, 2021, 11:25:36 am
White Sox Minor League Update: July 4, 2021
The organization was only able to get one win (the Cannon Ballers) but some prospects, like Yoelqui Céspedes, had big days
Hunnie's son Johnny was released by the K.C. Monarchs of the American Association on June 26th after hitting .198.
Since then he signed with the High Point Rockers of the Atlantic League of Professional Baseball on June 30th, He's gotten off to a good start with his new team playing CF, batting leadoff and hitting .308.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 11, 2021, 12:21:24 pm
...with the 22nd overall pick in the MLB Draft, the Chicago White Sox select:
Colson Montgomery, SS, Southridge High School (IN)
Montgomery is 6-foot-4 and 190 pounds. The left-handed hitter is committed to play baseball at Indiana and there could be a spot on the basketball team waiting for him. He has a strong history with wood bats and is a very physical athlete. His body has drawn comps to Corey Seager at the same stage of development. Montgomery has the potential to hit for average and power. He’s a present shortstop that likely transitions to third base in the future. He’s 19 years old already, which will be an issue for some clubs.
vdieo of his selection: https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1414401923260747782
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on July 11, 2021, 10:54:02 pm
Love the pick
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2021, 12:16:58 am
Day 2 of the Draft kicks off today at 1 p.m. ET with the start of the second round and will continue through the completion of Round 10, exclusively on MLB.com, with MLB Network providing live look-ins and coverage during All-Star Monday. There will be one minute between picks today.
The Draft concludes with rounds 11-20 on Tuesday, starting at noon ET, with no delay between selections, all heard on MLB.com.
...with the 57th overall pick in the MLB Draft, the Chicago White Sox select:
Wes Kath, 3B, Desert Mountain High School (AZ)
Kath is a shortstop currently that likely moves to third base as a professional. He’s the best prep position player from the state of Arizona and he’s had lots of success with wood bats and during the Area Code Games. The left-handed hitter really attacked the baseball this year and showed a more aggressive approach. Kath has a plus arm and solid hands and should be a good defender at the hot corner.
Wes Kath was rated No. 34 on the Top 250 Draft Prospects list by MLB Pipeline.
When was the last time the Sox drafted a high school kid who made it.
Been racking my brain but can't come up with a name
You mean 1st rounder? or any round? Bassitt was a 4th rounder. Danish was a 3rd or 4th rounder. Been quite a few. If just talking 1st round, that is understandable, we very rarely take one. Hawkins is one I recall that busted, we just hardly ever take a HS kid.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 12, 2021, 01:36:43 pm
Harold a long time ago was a HS pick who made it. Danny Goodwin we took 1st round, didn't sign and went 1st round to Angels 3 years later. He made it. I will see if I can find a list
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 12, 2021, 01:39:36 pm
List
https://www.espn.com/mlb/draft/history/_/team/chw
Hawkins was 2012, last HS kid. before that 2001 with Kris Honel from New Lenox, Ill. 2 years before that was P Jason Stumm from a HS in Washington. In 1994 Catcher Mark Johnson.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2021, 01:46:52 pm
...with the 94th overall pick in the MLB Draft, the Chicago White Sox select:
Sean Burke, RHP, University of Maryland, Junior.
Burke is a 6’6″ 230 pound righty that has pitched in the B1G. He’s had uneven results but his stuff is pretty good and he has starter upside. Sean Burke was rated No. 75 on the Top 250 Draft Prospects list by MLB Pipeline.
Ouch, in 1985 we took C Kurt Brown out of some high school. It was the 5th pick. Barry Bonds went as 6th pick to Pirates.
not as bad as selecting OF Jared Mitchell, "reminds us of a young Kenny Williams", with the 23rd pick in 2009 while leaving the Angels to select Mike Trout.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2021, 02:15:33 pm
...with the 185th overall pick in the MLB Draft, the Chicago White Sox select:
Taylor Broadway, RHP, Ole Miss (MS), 5th year Senior. 5'11" 205lbs
(185th overall), White Sox: Taylor Broadway, RHP, Ole Miss Broadway returned to Ole Miss with his extra year of eligibility after the pandemic wiped out the 2020 college season. Back with the Rebels, he starred, making 30 appearances on the mound and leading the SEC with 16 saves to go along with his 4-3 record and 3.44 ERA. The right-hander, the son of former professional bowler Danny Broadway, was a two-way player at junior college before arriving in Oxford.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 12, 2021, 05:12:13 pm
Outfielder Eloy Jiménez has been transferred from @WSDashBaseball to Charlotte to continue his major league rehab assignment. Welcome to Charlotte, Eloy!
Eloy Jiménez has been transferred to Charlotte to continue his rehab assignment.
Might we see him back with the big club some time next week?
I doubt it. Eloy was transferred to Charlotte because Winston-Salem ended their homestand. Charlotte just came off the road and is starting a 6-game homestand. Got to help your own farm clubs boost their attendance and revenues by sending him there. W-S will be back home on July 20 thru July 25. Expect him back there for that homestand too. Only way I see Eloy returning to the White Sox before July 26 is if he's knocking the cover off the ball in the minors and some position player on the Sox gets hurt.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 13, 2021, 01:42:49 pm
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 16, 2021, 11:19:10 pm
9th-rder Gil Luna signs w/@whitesox for $10K (pick 275 value = $152K). @ArizonaBaseball LHP is a senior sign w/FB up to 94 and big 12-to-6 CB. Future reliever. @mlbdraft #whitesox #MLBDraft
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 17, 2021, 06:26:39 am
Foster with an inning last night, 2 Ks. Fry went 1.1 innings and no runs as well. Grullon hit his 2nd homer in 2 games. Eloy did not play.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 17, 2021, 01:13:33 pm
Luis Robert is taking some live BP and getting some light outfield work in Arizona. Probably a couple weeks away from a minor league rehab assignment, barring anything unforeseen.
9th-rder Gil Luna signs w/@whitesox for $10K (pick 275 value = $152K). @ArizonaBaseball LHP is a senior sign w/FB up to 94 and big 12-to-6 CB. Future reliever. @mlbdraft #whitesox #MLBDraft
Sox have a habit of picking guys after the first couple of rounds who they can sign for nothing in rounds 5-10. There's some kind of cash limit for guys you draft in the first 10 rounds. They then use the money saved to sign guys they want above slot. Min, knows more about it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 20, 2021, 05:43:19 pm
1st-rder Colson Montgomery signs w/@WhiteSox for $3,027,000 (full pick 22 value). Indiana HS SS, has a Corey Seager look to him as a 6-ft-4 lefty hitter with a chance to hit for avg & power. Talented hoopster too, Indiana recruit. @MLBDraft
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 21, 2021, 11:35:09 am
White Sox: Bailey Horn, LHP (No. 23), High-A Winston-Salem
Horn turned in his best High-A start since getting called up on July 1, tossing three hitless innings with five strikeouts in Winston-Salem’s 6-0 shutout of Jersey Shore. The 2020 fifth-rounder worked around three walks to prevent any runs from scoring, setting the tone for the rest of the night. Across two levels, Horn has a 5.09 ERA with 43 strikeouts through 35 1/3 innings.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on July 22, 2021, 09:42:02 am
Yolbert a much, much better hitter than projected thus far. Showing some extra base power and way better average than I expected. Improved from last year very much. He, Sosa, Polanco and Rodriguez give us 4 real nice middle infielders and we just took those 2 HS kids in 1st and 2nd rounds. Should solidify our middle infield in the minors.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 22, 2021, 04:02:46 pm
I Know The Minor Leagues Are A Complete Joke, But This Is A New Level: It Actually COSTS Money To Play For The Athletics
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on July 28, 2021, 10:33:10 am
Yermin with a start at 1B last night for Charlotte.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 01, 2021, 02:39:13 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6DlKmsXIAEN0uo?format=jpg&name=small) New York Mets don't plan to sign top pick Kumar Rocker because of concerns with physical exam, sources say
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 01, 2021, 04:18:36 pm
The 2021 MLB Draft signing window has closed. Mets fail to sign overall #10 pick Kumar Rocker. Mets will receive the #11 overall pick in the 2022 MLB Draft as compensation.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 01, 2021, 11:36:51 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCuSiQO9UWw
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 02, 2021, 03:02:54 am
Charlotte signed RHP Kyle Crick, 28, overall pick 49 in 2011. MLB career stats 3.51 era, 1.32 whip. MiLB career stats 3.35 era, 1.49 whip.
171.2 MLB innings.
Don't know anything about him, but those numbers are pretty good.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 02, 2021, 02:48:32 pm
with Madrigal gone Yolbert Sanchez has become an important prospect. I can see him talking over at 2nd base in 2022.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 03, 2021, 07:39:44 am
Cesar Hernandez is going to play 2B for us next year I think. Yolbert has shown a bat this year, but he is not jumping from AA to the majors next year, no way. Maybe 2023, but he would have to beat out Sosa and Rodriguez to be in the bigs.
The way this franchise is going I think if we let Cesar walk that we will spend for a 2Bman. Like Baez or Story or some big name.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 03, 2021, 08:20:32 am
you're right, I meant to say Yolbert in 2023. He'll be in AAA next year.
The rest of the middle inf. prospects like Sosa, Polanco & Rodriquez are at least a year behind him in development.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 03, 2021, 09:00:27 am
Yeah the system is pretty barren now that the big prospects have graduated.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 03, 2021, 09:49:06 am
really intrigued by Yolbert Sanchez this year. Signed out of Cuba with reputation of being a great fielder, questionable bat - hit .297 in the DSL in 2019 age 22. Thought it was a bad sign that at 22 Sox had him in the DSL.
Well he turned 24 in March, hit .286 at high A got promoted & is hitting over .400 at AA. (Combined .309 for the year.) If he hits at AAA next year I see no reason why he doesn't make the team in 2023.
Sox have a serious lack of pitching in the minors.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 03, 2021, 12:49:53 pm
I agree that Yolbert has been a big surprise with the bat. Rodriguez may be a league behind him, but he has the top rated bat in the system by most folks.
Very poor pitching throughout the system. No one even having a good enough year to get excited about.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 03, 2021, 03:03:52 pm
White Sox agreed to terms with RHP Tyler Johnson on a 2022 minor league contract. Released last week.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 05, 2021, 06:53:15 pm
Cespedes with his 6th homer and 9th SB tonight so far, 2-2 early on and that brings him up to .273, quite an improvement after a very poor start.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 06, 2021, 09:57:40 am
last November, in anticipation of the Rule 5 draft, the Diamondbacks took pitcher Emilio Vargas off the 40 roster and the Sox grabbed him off waivers. In February the Sox took him off the roster and assigned him to the minors when no one claimed him.
He's a 6'3, 220 RHP, 24 turns 25 in a week. He wasn't activated by Birmingham till June 11 as it seems he was playing for the Dominican Republic.
He's 5-1, 2.58 era at AA. Last night he pitched 5 innings, no runs, 1 hit & 12 Ks.
He's the only pitcher that has really stepped up this yr. (tho Kade McClure has lowered his era to 3.82 after a bad start at Birmingham.)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 08, 2021, 07:24:47 am
Taylor Varnell went 6 IP 2 H 1 R, no walks 6 Ks for Birmingham last night. (2.77)
For some reason he's never been considered a prospect.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 10, 2021, 06:36:27 am
Our first 2 draft picks are producing at Arizona in the ACL. Small sample size of 3 games
Montgomery playing SS, batting leadoff with a .300 average. Had 2 hits and a run scored last night.
Wes Kath playing 3B, hitting 3rd in the lineup, with a .417 average with a homer and 3 RBI. He has been really hitting the ball. His first time up last night with men on 2nd and 3rd and no outs he scorched a liner to 3Bman. So he could be looking even better.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 10, 2021, 07:38:27 pm
Jose Rodriguez promoted to Winston-Salem.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 10, 2021, 09:00:43 pm
Sheets lead Charlotte to 3-2 win with a homer and a double.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 10, 2021, 09:03:05 pm
Sosa to AA. Dominguez to AA, Rodriguez to High A, McClure to AAA, Parke to AAA, Silven to High A, Simas to Kanny.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 10, 2021, 10:08:18 pm
(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1425280821049630720/tSkxcmto?format=jpg&name=small) Knights Beat the Jumbo Shrimp 3-2 on Tuesday Wright Tossed Six Solid Innings & Sheets Homered & Drove In Two
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 11, 2021, 08:14:16 pm
Rodriguez in first game for Winston-Salem last night went 0-4 with the Golden Sombrero. Tonight he is 3-3 with a grand slam and 5 RBIs thus far.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 11, 2021, 08:19:05 pm
Romy Gonzalez has been playing SS most of season for Birmingham. Now with Yolbert Sanchez and Lenyn Sosa manning the middle infield Romy has been playing 3B. Hit his 17th homer tonight.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 11, 2021, 08:20:24 pm
Grandal is at Birmingham tonight, had a hit first time up and is now 1-2
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 12, 2021, 11:13:29 am
Looks like Luis Gonzalez is heading to the San Francisco organization
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 12, 2021, 01:01:44 pm
Looks like Luis Gonzalez is heading to the San Francisco organization
No real loss as he only had one option year left. He had nowhere to play on the team next season with Eloy, Robert, Vaughn, Engel and Sheets ahead of him. Brian Goodwin is also arbitration eligible and not a free agent for 2022 if they want to keep him on the team. Plus they saved near $200K in salary by releasing him over re-calling him and placing him on the MLB 60-day DL. Would have been nice to trade him and get a prospect back but he had no real trade value as 28 teams passed on him before the Giants claimed him on waivers.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 15, 2021, 09:39:42 am
Norge Vera, who we signed this offseason, has been called the top prospect in our system. Pitched his 1st inning in the Domican Summer League and struck out all 3 batters, sitting at about 98mph.
Our 5th rounder, a HS kid out of Nevada, Tanner MacDougal, got his first inning in also for the Arizona Sox team. He pitched an immaculate inning, 3 Ks on 9 pitches. Our 3rd round pitcher Sean Burke started that game and also had a scoreless inning.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 15, 2021, 07:34:17 pm
Romy Gonzalez has been playing SS most of season for Birmingham. Now with Yolbert Sanchez and Lenyn Sosa manning the middle infield Romy has been playing 3B. Hit his 17th homer tonight.
Romy Gonzalez (U of Miami) hit his 19th HR tonight (.265 BA). I didn't think him a prospect before this year, but he's earned it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 15, 2021, 09:55:33 pm
Mercedes went 5 for 6 with 2 HRs for Charlotte tonight.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 16, 2021, 11:50:31 am
Mercedes went 5 for 6 with 2 HRs for Charlotte tonight.
And Sheets is pounding the ball as well and on a tear. Meanwhile we have two of the worst hitting players in all of baseball in Lamb and Collins on this team and contributing not a damned thing. Its crap and whoever is making those decisions is losing games for this team.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: ISF on August 16, 2021, 03:29:00 pm
Burdi DFA'ed. Wright promoted. Engel on IL. Foster down to AAA. Burr is back.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 18, 2021, 08:49:55 pm
Jake Burger off the IL at Charlotte.
Grandal caught & had 3 hits.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 18, 2021, 09:55:11 pm
Still waiting for the reason why we have Collins and Lamb on this team? Are these guys driving LaRussa around town after the ball games?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 21, 2021, 06:40:15 am
Romy Gonzalez promoted to AAA. First player for Birmingham to have 20 homers and 20 SBs since ARow. Thought Chris Young did it, was he before or after ARow?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 21, 2021, 04:02:20 pm
Looks like Romy hit 2 HRs in his first game at Charlotte.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 21, 2021, 04:05:23 pm
Romy Gonzalez in his Triple-A debut goes 2 for 4 with 2 homeruns and five RBI. The second HR was a walk-off 3 RBI in the bottom of the 9th.
two videos of the walk-off: https://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball/status/1429178177830723584 https://twitter.com/KnightsBaseball/status/1429168119977754636
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 22, 2021, 08:05:13 am
Rodriguez has been tearing up at Winston-Salem since promotion. Yolbert Sanchez same after getting to AA, and now Romy at AAA. Our middle infield support is coming along very well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 22, 2021, 08:48:17 am
I seriously wonder if the lack of a minor league season last year actually had a positive impact on some of our hitters.
Getting the opportunity to focus intensively on specific things in a non-game and more controlled environment could be beneficial to some.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 22, 2021, 12:39:49 pm
Could be, this is one of the best year for hitters in our minors in some time. Our pitching is another story.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 22, 2021, 03:04:06 pm
Caleb Freeman is developing into a real bullpen prospect.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on August 23, 2021, 07:36:48 am
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 23, 2021, 08:38:42 am
Not sure what the going rate for someone like a Ketel Marte would be, but yeah - we have a lot of guys who are blocked. They'll probably be serviceable bench guys, but they deserve a shot at an everyday job. Could be good trade bait to try to pry away an upgrade for RF.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 23, 2021, 08:45:15 am
Also Marte is a FA at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 23, 2021, 04:39:28 pm
and the trading deadline is passed & no waiver deals anymore.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 23, 2021, 09:37:25 pm
and the trading deadline is passed & no waiver deals anymore.
hahn's decisions were solid ones. Tony screwed this **** up when he didn't bring up and keep the minor league sluggers instead of the dead wood on the bench
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 23, 2021, 09:44:46 pm
Kenny & Hahn have the final say on the 26-man roster not the manager. The manager determines who plays and who sits in the game but doesn't get to pick the roster.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 23, 2021, 09:49:29 pm
Kenny & Hahn have the final say on the 26-man roster not the manager. The manager determines who plays and who sits in the game but doesn't get to pick the roster.
Don't believe that for a minute. Tony is in charge and has been the entire year. The 40 man roster is Hahn's but not the 26 man roster. That is pretty much the way it works across baseball with experienced autocratic Managers.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on August 26, 2021, 07:40:05 pm
The @WhiteSox are considered the favorites to sign Oscar Colas and Erick Hernandez, Nos. 5 and 28 on the Top 50 International Prospects list: https://atmlb.com/3yuXTst
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 27, 2021, 11:25:11 am
Not sure what the going rate for someone like a Ketel Marte would be, but yeah - we have a lot of guys who are blocked. They'll probably be serviceable bench guys, but they deserve a shot at an everyday job. Could be good trade bait to try to pry away an upgrade for RF.
Its true that young prospects can be traded for a proven young but veteran player. However, when you talk about young players, there is an objective to make the major leagues for the organization that signed them and the good ones work their butts off to make it. This is why I am not happy with sending Sheets down and why Burger isn't up on the big club right now. With a 9-10 game lead for a long time in their division and with also no apparent urgency to win the best record in the AL, then to me it is screwed up to hold these two guys in 3A where obviously they are beyond being challenged. CHALLENGE THEM and give them a chance. If they fail, they fail but to me, it is once again STUPID to keep them there and not know really what their value is.
If this was a close race to the play-offs, I could see a viable reason to do what they are doing sort of. But Lamb and Collins are worthless. They aren't going to get better than what they are. Any talent evaluator can see that. This stuff about Collins having anykind of trade value is ludicrous and Lamb may hang on for another year in the major leagues as a fill-in for a bad team but that is it.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 27, 2021, 11:28:32 am
You have to love what Hahn and company are doing long term. Getting excellent prospects from Cuba, DR, and South American countries, drafting high critical middle infielders and pitching prospects out of high school and college. Its a great plan.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 27, 2021, 11:50:38 am
about time the org put $$ into the minors on a consistent basis.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 27, 2021, 01:50:23 pm
Burger (.302) and Sheets (.298) are not outclassing their opposition at AAA. Having no minor league season last yr screwed both these guys. Not playing for 3 yrs has to have seriously retarded Burger. Sheets was such a mediocre prospect he wasn't even invited to Schaumburg last yr. Let them play every day, send them to a winter league. Burger can take Lamb's spot, Sheets can replace Goodwin.
Good to see Marshall on rehab, people forget how valuable he was the last couple of yrs. But I don't think he can help us this yr.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 27, 2021, 07:15:10 pm
No way I let go of Cespedes.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 28, 2021, 10:37:16 am
Burger (.302) and Sheets (.298) are not outclassing their opposition at AAA. Having no minor league season last yr screwed both these guys. Not playing for 3 yrs has to have seriously retarded Burger. Sheets was such a mediocre prospect he wasn't even invited to Schaumburg last yr. Let them play every day, send them to a winter league. Burger can take Lamb's spot, Sheets can replace Goodwin.
Good to see Marshall on rehab, people forget how valuable he was the last couple of yrs. But I don't think he can help us this yr.
What are you talking about? Burger and Sheets are hitting home runs and driving in beau coup runs while hitting .300 Calling Sheets a "mediocre prospect" is funny. Burger was the best hitting prospect in the draft and Sheets was a #2 prospect who got lost in the shuffle because of the drafting of Vaughn. These are not some kind of bench players. They are young guys who will be major league starters. IF not for the White Sox then for some other team.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on August 28, 2021, 03:28:19 pm
didn't say Sheets IS a mediocre prospect, said he "was" after his uninspiring 2019 yr at AA. This explains why he wasn't invited to Shaumburg.
Re Burger - can you name another player who never played above A ball missed 3 yrs then was major league polished & ready? It's never happened before. (Roy Hobbs doesn't count)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 28, 2021, 04:06:09 pm
Josh Hamilton comes to mind.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 28, 2021, 04:07:10 pm
Technically had a cup of coffee in AA i guess…
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 29, 2021, 06:04:43 am
didn't say Sheets IS a mediocre prospect, said he "was" after his uninspiring 2019 yr at AA. This explains why he wasn't invited to Shaumburg.
Re Burger - can you name another player who never played above A ball missed 3 yrs then was major league polished & ready? It's never happened before. (Roy Hobbs doesn't count)
Uninspiring at AA, he led the Southern League in RBIs, just did not hit a ton of long balls. He was really good.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 29, 2021, 07:15:15 am
Charlotte was shut out 4-0 in 1st game, in 2nd game down 4-0 in bottom of 7th, Sheets hits a solo shot to get them started, ends up with Mendick hitting a 3-run walk-off to win it 5-4
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 29, 2021, 02:15:37 pm
didn't say Sheets IS a mediocre prospect, said he "was" after his uninspiring 2019 yr at AA. This explains why he wasn't invited to Shaumburg.
Re Burger - can you name another player who never played above A ball missed 3 yrs then was major league polished & ready? It's never happened before. (Roy Hobbs doesn't count)
Whatever you meant is fine. But to say or imply that both Sheets and Burger are not top baseball prospects is just not reality. I don't care that Burger missed three years. I don't care that you say that Sheets had an "uninspiring' year in 2019. I see what I see and both Burger and Sheets are killing the ball and have all season. There are no finite rules for becoming a major league player. a guy doesn't have to sit a certain amount of time in a minor league just because a lot of other players have done it. Robert didn't. Jimenez didn't. Abreu didn't. Neither should Burger and SHeets.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on August 29, 2021, 02:32:18 pm
Development is not linear.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on August 29, 2021, 06:11:17 pm
No, it isn't. But I refer you to Malcolm Gladwell's book "Outliers."
I have it on my reading list (too many books on that list now)…. That said, just because you’re not playing doesn’t mean you’re not able to work on other aspects of your game.
Highly improbable to be successful under the circumstances that Burger’s been in, but he’s done nothing but prove himself so far this year.
That said, part of me thinks that we should sell high on him.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on August 30, 2021, 11:37:32 am
Burger has four home runs in his last three games and Sheets hit a home run in their last game that was won by a walk off home run by Mendick.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on September 03, 2021, 08:09:57 pm
At ACL Sox game right now. Pretty fun. Free entry. Good way to kill some time if you have a late flight to catch
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on September 03, 2021, 08:21:16 pm
Montgomery hitting 2nd
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on September 04, 2021, 12:18:32 am
If you’re ever in Phoenix with some time to kill, check out an ACL game. Free to attend… basically just you, some players’ families, and scouts at the game. Super low-key affair, as far as the off-field stuff goes. Camelback Ranch opens up a set of bathrooms for fans to use… apparently shared use with the visiting team.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 04, 2021, 08:14:34 am
Cool
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 04, 2021, 10:44:43 pm
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Easy. Kopech. Moncada. LuRob
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on September 05, 2021, 12:04:08 am
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Easy. Kopech. Moncada. LuRob
Those three are not prospects. They are major league experienced players. Burger and Sheets are the most major league ready players in their system. Both can be starting position players next season. The off season will prove very interesting.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 05, 2021, 10:56:59 am
Elite minor leaguers. I would say Cespedes is or will be. Jose Rodriguez would be the other, surprised he is not higher on our top 30 but the folks like pitching all those young high draft pick pitchers who have not earned those slots.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 07, 2021, 10:08:39 am
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Easy. Kopech. Moncada. LuRob
Those three are not prospects. They are major league experienced players. Burger and Sheets are the most major league ready players in their system. Both can be starting position players next season. The off season will prove very interesting.
Right. We have no elite prospects currently
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Shoeless on September 07, 2021, 10:09:53 am
Elite minor leaguers. I would say Cespedes is or will be. Jose Rodriguez would be the other, surprised he is not higher on our top 30 but the folks like pitching all those young high draft pick pitchers who have not earned those slots.
Cesp struggling. Jo Rod could well be soon.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on September 07, 2021, 11:37:28 am
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Easy. Kopech. Moncada. LuRob
Those three are not prospects. They are major league experienced players. Burger and Sheets are the most major league ready players in their system. Both can be starting position players next season. The off season will prove very interesting.
Right. We have no elite prospects currently
Funny.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on September 07, 2021, 06:16:05 pm
Well, our prayers for an elite prospect have been answered.
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Easy. Kopech. Moncada. LuRob
Those three are not prospects. They are major league experienced players. Burger and Sheets are the most major league ready players in their system. Both can be starting position players next season. The off season will prove very interesting.
Right. We have no elite prospects currently
Funny.
Why?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on September 09, 2021, 09:44:19 pm
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Easy. Kopech. Moncada. LuRob
Those three are not prospects. They are major league experienced players. Burger and Sheets are the most major league ready players in their system. Both can be starting position players next season. The off season will prove very interesting.
Right. We have no elite prospects currently
Funny.
Why?
Because they do have elite prospects is why:)
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 10, 2021, 05:54:11 am
Sox hottest pitching prospect as of now, taken out of mlb.com article on each teams hottest pitching prospects. Tough finding a Sox one.
White Sox: McKinley Moore, RHP (No. 25) Moore didn't win a game and posted a 7.95 ERA in three seasons at Arkansas-Little Rock before the White Sox drafted him in 2019's 14th round, and he continued to battle the strike zone early in his pro career. After posting a 5.53 ERA in his first 24 appearances this year, he has allowed just two runs with a 14/1 K/BB ratio in 10 innings during the last month. Armed with a 93-98 mph fastball and a mid-80s slider, he has a 4.54 ERA with eight saves and 56 strikeouts in 37 2/3 innings between Low-A and High-A.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on September 10, 2021, 09:27:39 am
Caleb Freeman is a better prospect than Moore.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 10, 2021, 12:57:33 pm
Most likely, maybe even hottest, which is what this was for I think
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 10, 2021, 05:37:30 pm
Noticed that Zack Collins with his 0 for 5 last night is now hitting .172 at Charlotte. He can kiss his call-up goodbye unless Zeby or Grandal go on the IL
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: aka Loveland on September 12, 2021, 11:37:41 am
Can we lay off the quote feature?
Just make your point. I am making mine without choosing to quote the examples.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: PeteWard on September 12, 2021, 04:35:40 pm
Anybody else know what Loveland is referring to?
;D
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on September 12, 2021, 05:21:33 pm
The org has a lot of players that need to be moved soon. Maybe no elite guys right now but guys like Sheets, Burger, Adolfo, Cespedes have value. Put together a package and go get Ketel Marte
Please define "elite guys".
Easy. Kopech. Moncada. LuRob
Those three are not prospects. They are major league experienced players. Burger and Sheets are the most major league ready players in their system. Both can be starting position players next season. The off season will prove very interesting.
Right. We have no elite prospects currently
Funny.
Why?
Because they do have elite prospects is why:)
Really? Who? Which Sox prospect is ranked in anyone’s top 25?
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: josephc on September 13, 2021, 12:56:49 pm
Really? Who? Which Sox prospect is ranked in anyone’s top 25?
I think the next insanely nested quote, I'm going to take editorial liberties to delete the "inside" quotes to resemble my post here.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: BillSharp on September 14, 2021, 11:02:12 am
Arizona -
1st round pick Colson Montgomery .256 BA, 0 HR.
2nd round pick Wes Kath .220 BA, 3 HR.
18 yr old 3b Wilfred Veras .304 BA, 4 HR.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 15, 2021, 07:40:45 pm
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Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: msf on September 16, 2021, 07:10:39 pm
You missed Terrell Tatum, he just got promoted to Winston-Salem. Veras appears to be very good, and Quezada in the DSL as well.
Title: Re: Down on the Farm
Post by: Bird of Prey on September 20, 2021, 12:05:36 am
Former White Sox number one pick Zack Burdi was just put on the Il by the Baltimore O's 3A affiliate. Since being released by the Sox, he only pitched two total innings for the O's and their affiliate. Its too bad. He had a good turnaround in August with Charlotte but it looks like what I suspected when they released him. He has arm problems once again.
I got to thinking about Burdi as I watched the minor league pitching shuffle that has taken place this season. I put Burdi in the same class as Huerer as far as good stuff goes and if healthy, he'd be better than the bottom of the pen guys the Sox are throwing out there now. I also wouldn't mind the Sox trying to get Huerer back but I think that is a bridge too far so to speak:)
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 20, 2021, 11:58:25 am
To set the record straight, Zack Burdi was not released by the White Sox. He was claimed on waivers by Baltimore after the White Sox removed him from their 40-man roster.
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Post by: Bird of Prey on September 20, 2021, 06:03:03 pm
Neat.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 26, 2021, 11:41:56 am
Burger down to .273 at Charlotte.
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Post by: Bird of Prey on September 26, 2021, 12:18:42 pm
Hopefullt Burger will learn to play 2nd base on a winterball team this offseason.
Maybe but I doubt it. I think that he will be traded. I say this because if he were going to learn to play second base, they'd have been playing him in 3A
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Post by: BillSharp on September 30, 2021, 04:57:45 am
It's been said before, but it would be smarter to put Moncada at 2nd and Burger at 3rd. I'm sure Moncada will stay at 3rd tho with Burger's future as a 3rd/1st baseman and DH.
I see Sheets and Burger being sent to Arizona. Sheets needs to become a Right fielder & Burger needs to continue the conditioning which has saved his career.
AAA -
Burger .275 Adolfo .245 Rutherford .251
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Post by: msf on September 30, 2021, 06:24:33 am
Adolfo hit well in AA, held his own in AAA although struck out a ton. He has to be kept on big league team or he will likely be taken by someone. He just does not really fit in well, would think Cespedes would be a better candidate after we see what he can do in a full AAA season.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 30, 2021, 11:14:18 am
At the time Adolfo and Basabe were put on the 40 I told everyone here it was an insane move.
I hope Adolfo still has an option left.
BTW, Adolfo only hit .249 at AA this year.
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Post by: msf on September 30, 2021, 12:06:46 pm
Adolfo is out of options.
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Post by: msf on September 30, 2021, 12:08:30 pm
It's been said before, but it would be smarter to put Moncada at 2nd and Burger at 3rd. I'm sure Moncada will stay at 3rd tho with Burger's future as a 3rd/1st baseman and DH.
I see Sheets and Burger being sent to Arizona. Sheets needs to become a Right fielder & Burger needs to continue the conditioning which has saved his career.
AAA -
Burger .275 Adolfo .245 Rutherford .251
Good post and recommendations. The White Sox have some big decisions to make in the off season regarding Burger, Sheets, and Vaughn. They will need to decide where these guys will play next year. I'm not worried about Vaughn hitting wise. He's just in a slump. Perhaps a rotation between Sheets, Vaughn, and Abreu next year at one-third time at DH duty while playing their respective positions, makes sense to me.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on September 30, 2021, 02:23:15 pm
msf
Do you have a list of which White Sox prospects need to be added to the 40-man roster or be subject to the Rule 5 Draft this December?
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Post by: msf on September 30, 2021, 05:26:57 pm
Not off hand Andy. But I will take a look around. I would be interested in that as well.
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Post by: msf on September 30, 2021, 05:34:44 pm
Here is a list I found
The guys in the top 30 are Jason Bilous, Kade McClure, Lenyn Sosa and Luis Mieses.
Mieses and McClure maybe should be protected, Mieses for sure. Mieses is about a 6-4 RF who has tools. This year the power finally showed up. McClure supposedly throwing very hard but his numbers do not show that he is really a guy to keep. Might have to go back to roping cattle.
Sosa I say no since we have better on way up behind him like JRod, Polanco and the kid we drafted this year #1. I like Bilous, but cannot see us losing him in the draft.
Guys like Romy G and Burger were added already during the season.
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Post by: BillSharp on September 30, 2021, 08:10:00 pm
I'm a big fan of Mieses as a prospect, but there is no way in hell he's ready to spend a year on a team's 26 man major league roster. No way he needs to be protected by the major league portion of Rule 5.
Indeed, none of the guys listed by msf needs to be 40 rostered - none are good enough right now to make a major league roster. (Sosa is probably the closest
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Post by: BillSharp on October 06, 2021, 11:13:45 am
Sox AFL roster -
White Sox (Glendale): Yoelqui Céspedes, OF (No. 2); Jose Rodriguez, SS (No. 9); Yolbert Sanchez, 2B/SS (No. 15); Caleb Freeman, RHP (No. 21); McKinley Moore, RHP (No. 25); Johan Dominguez, RHP; J.B. Olson, RHP
Having Dominguez and Olson on the roster shows how weak our system has become.
What MLB.com comments:
The younger brother of Yoenis Céspedes, Yoelqui has similar tools and signed for $2.05 million in January before batting .285/.350/.463 with eight homers and 18 steals in 72 games between High-A and Double-A. Rodriguez has at least average tools across the board with some sneaky pop and reached Double-A at age 20. Sanchez is one of the system's better defenders, and Freeman and Moore are hard-throwing relievers.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on October 18, 2021, 10:29:37 am
MLB to require teams to provide housing for minor league players starting in 2022
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Post by: BlackSox on October 25, 2021, 09:59:19 pm
Thanks, msf. Should be fun to watch the progress of Céspedes, Rodriguez, and Sanchez next year... guessing all could sniff AAA next year if all goes right.
Holding out hope Freeman somehow gets it together.
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Post by: Bird of Prey on October 25, 2021, 10:37:43 pm
Thanks, msf. Should be fun to watch the progress of Céspedes, Rodriguez, and Sanchez next year... guessing all could sniff AAA next year if all goes right.
Holding out hope Freeman somehow gets it together.
I watched Freeman awhile ago on video and he does have excellent stuff. Once again, he is one of those guys that really need a good teacher to drum in his head the mechanics of a sound delivery. You just never know about who can make it or not in the major leagues.
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Post by: msf on November 13, 2021, 08:28:19 am
I thought Cespedes progressed well as he moved up in the system during the season, but he is getting his ass handed to him in the Fall League, down to .182
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on November 19, 2021, 11:33:17 pm
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on December 30, 2021, 01:11:54 pm
(https://www.tcdb.com/Images/Large/Baseball/268072/268072-17402109Fr.jpg) Alek Thomas hoping to carry hot 2021 finish into 2022 Already a top prospect, Alek Thomas has all the momentum in the world heading into 2022
Alek Thomas is a Chicago kid. Played for Mt. Carmel High School. He grew up in the White Sox clubhouse as his dad (Allen Thomas) iswas the White Sox director of strength and conditioning. He also played, and starred, for the White Sox Amateur City Elite (ACE) Program. The Sox passed on him in the 2nd round of the 2018 draft. They took Steele Walker instead who the White Sox eventually trade to Texas for Nomar Mazara.
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Post by: Shoeless on January 02, 2022, 08:57:31 am
Bad miss
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Post by: BlackSox on January 07, 2022, 02:03:31 pm
César Prieto sounds like a potential solution to the hole at second base. Sounds like he may be a two-years younger and possibly better version of "Nicky Two Strikes". The White Sox should ask their "Cuban Crew" (Abreu, Grandal, Moncada and Robert) to speak with him about joining the organ-I-zation. I can't think of a better recruiter to convince Cuban talent to join a team than Jose Abreu.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ThbpEiT8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAFGtUPhbZM
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 11, 2022, 07:42:06 pm
tl;dr: Juan Uribe wants his son (currently eligible to be signed as part of international pool this year) to sign with the Sox.
I loved Uribe as a player. He was a big part of that championship team.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on January 25, 2022, 10:19:58 pm
(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/NCRtEW5uIKVsEizqfrB6FSy_lX4=/0x0:920x613/920x613/filters:focal(362x201:508x347):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/70430642/69040.0.0.jpg) White Sox reach a deal with coveted Cuban outfielder Oscar Colas
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Post by: josephc on February 01, 2022, 07:33:17 pm
That article makes it sound like Hansen bought into his own hype....
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on February 02, 2022, 02:06:53 pm
The White Sox new Director of Minor League Operations is the daughter of Shawon Dunston. She replaces Grace Guerrero Zwit who retired after 40 years with the White Sox. Nicky Delmonico rejoins the White Sox but this time as a minor league hitting coach:
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Post by: BillSharp on April 28, 2022, 12:38:25 pm
Yolbert Sanchez is 5 for 10 since his promotion to AAA.
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Post by: Shoeless on April 29, 2022, 06:43:23 am
Launch Mendick. Bring up Yolbert
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Post by: BillSharp on April 29, 2022, 09:11:52 am
launch Bummer.
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Post by: white sox dope on May 05, 2022, 09:26:43 pm
mendick back
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Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2022, 05:27:52 am
not a lot on the prospect scene this year. Pitching is especially depressing.
AAA Yolbert Sanchez (middle inf) still the top prospect, he has no power, is a singles hitter but will take a walk. if he continues to hit (.327) we'll see him this year.
Carlos Perez is our best catching prospect - .297/.327/.574 He has 7 homers and 7 doubles leading the team in both categories. he doesn't walk
OF Blake Rutherford (25) and inf. Zack Remillard (28) hitting well but no one else is. Romy Gonzalez has disappointed (.217) and is currently on the DL/IL.
Pitching is poor.
Johan Dominguez at 26 looks like he's become a minor prospect. Lincoln Henzman (4th round 2017) is attempting a comeback after not playing last yr. Lefty reliever Zach Muckenhirn continues putting up good numbers (1.64 era) after doing the same last year at AA (1.77 era)
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Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2022, 05:43:21 am
AA
top prospects disappointing - inf Jose Rodriguez .235 & OF Yoelqui Cespedes .238
inf Lenyn Sosa .357/.438/.580 (6 HR) has stood out.
pitching pretty much sucks.
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Post by: msf on May 12, 2022, 12:20:20 pm
Dominguez just had Tommy John surgery in the past month
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Post by: BillSharp on May 12, 2022, 11:02:57 pm
I've never thought much of Davis Martin, didn't think much of him at Texas Tech & he just hasn't been good in the system. He seems to have turned it around this year. He pitched 6 innings of shutout ball at AAA tonight.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 26, 2022, 01:25:11 am
there's a left handed OF at Winston Salem named Duke Ellis. Drafted in the 20th round out of high school, went to Texas U instead of signing. Hit .281 at Texas, didn't play as a freshman, only played 17 games as a senior. Sox signed him as an UFA in 2020. Didn't play in 2020 - probably hurt, explains the 17 games as a senior.
Played 73 games at Winston Salem last year, hit .200.
This year at Winston Salem .341/.417/.897.
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Post by: josephc on May 26, 2022, 10:07:25 am
there's a left handed OF at Winston Salem named Duke Ellis. Drafted in the 20th round out of high school, went to Texas U instead of signing. Hit .281 at Texas, didn't play as a freshman, only played 17 games as a senior. Sox signed him as an UFA in 2020. Didn't play in 2020 - probably hurt, explains the 17 games as a senior.
Played 73 games at Winston Salem last year, hit .200.
This year at Winston Salem .341/.417/.897.
14 walks in 139 plate appearances (>10% BB rate) and seemingly making very good contact as well. Track record of a high walk rate (20%ish in college, 10%ish since turning pro) Wonder when he gets the call to Birmingham...
If nothing else, great baseball name.
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Post by: BlackSox on May 27, 2022, 11:13:44 am
If nothing else, great baseball name.
Heh.
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Post by: PeteWard on May 27, 2022, 04:08:00 pm
"Didn't play in 2020"
Suspect you can blame that on our little friend, SARS-CoV-2?
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Post by: BillSharp on May 27, 2022, 04:17:02 pm
kinda doubt it. 22 yr old athlete wasn't really at any significant risk.
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Post by: BillSharp on May 28, 2022, 10:22:03 pm
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Post by: BillSharp on June 25, 2022, 09:44:46 pm
Colson Montgomery promoted to Winston Salem. Deserved promotion.
Duke Ellis still hitting .300, has 27 stolen bases.
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Post by: BillSharp on June 29, 2022, 05:35:11 am
AA Birmingham -
Jose Rodriquez had a horrid start to the season, has got his BA up to .251. He's still only 21.
LH OF Tyler Neslony hit .355 at AA after we traded for him last year & is hitting .321/402/988 this year. He really should be at AAA.
LHP Fraser Ellard was an 8th round pick last yr & is holding his own at AA (3.09 ERA)
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Post by: BillSharp on June 29, 2022, 05:56:33 am
Winston Salem Dash -
Oscar Colas .312/.368/.868 Duke Ellis .309 with 29 stolen bases
Sox picked up a 22 yr old SS from the Cardinal's organization in a minor league waiver claim named Moises Castillo. .280/.388/.711. no power, will walk, supposedly a decent glove.
Luis Mieses (22) still a prospect .276/.323/.748
Cuban Bryan Ramos, only 20, .267 with 11 HRs.
Tyler Osik is hitting over .300, but is DHing mostly and not catching.
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Post by: aka Loveland on June 30, 2022, 01:52:38 pm
Oscar Colas is evidently unhappy with the Sox right now.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 01, 2022, 10:19:30 pm
tonight at Charlotte:
Martin (L) 4.2 IP 2 H 2 R 1 W 8 K 1 HR
2 runs in 4.2 innings is nothing great, but only giving up 2 H 1 W with 8 Ks meant he had good stuff.
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Post by: msf on July 02, 2022, 06:41:41 am
Jose Rodriguez finally coming around.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 05, 2022, 01:26:08 pm
Appreciate the updates, Bill. Not much time to follow the minors this year.
Why hasn't Colas been promoted?
Duke Ellis - great baseball name
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Post by: msf on July 05, 2022, 04:40:26 pm
Colas does not have a lot of playing time the past couple years. Sox typically promote guys half way thru a season, AS break is usually about the time. Maybe Colas blew his chance for that happening by being a baby about it. He has a couple guys ahead of him in Neslony and Cespedes (although Colas has surpassed Cespedes in my mind thus far).
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Post by: BillSharp on July 06, 2022, 03:15:13 pm
Cespedes has been a major disappointment.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 27, 2022, 12:48:54 am
seems to be a lot of minor league undrafted FAs. suppose cutting down the number of rounds in the draft will do that.
Winston Salem has a L hitting OF out of Iowa in the big ten named Ben Norman. He went undrafted in 2021 after playing in the collegiate summer MLB draft league. Sox signed him Last November. Played a few games in Arizona, then sent to Winston-Salem in June. Holding his own - .267, 6 HRs.
but he's already 24. Covid reaction screwed a lot of people's hopes and dreams.
BTW, that other FA Duke Ellis now has 39 stolen bases at Winston Salem.
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Post by: msf on July 27, 2022, 06:19:35 pm
Ben Norman could be a steal, not so worried about the age though I would rather he be younger. Ellis has a chance too. Signed a LHP out of one of the Texas universities as an UDFA, he signed with Stanford out of HS, stayed there 3 years I think, went to A&M I believe and was 2nd team AA. Jake Palisch is his name
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Post by: BillSharp on July 31, 2022, 08:43:41 am
sox website says we've only signed our 1st round pick. We only have until Monday afternoon to sign drafted players.
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Post by: msf on July 31, 2022, 04:41:51 pm
All 20 have signed
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Post by: BillSharp on July 31, 2022, 05:23:28 pm
last Nov. the Sox signed Tony Womack's son who went undrafted in the 2021 draft. Alsander Womack, like his dad, is a 2nd baseman. He's at high-A Winston-Salem and hitting .297.
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Post by: BillSharp on July 31, 2022, 07:11:24 pm
Jared Kelly pitched 6 scoreless innings at Kannap, his ERA is down to 3.14.
of the 3 high school pitchers the Sox drafted with high picks he seems to be the only guy who may pan out.
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Post by: msf on August 01, 2022, 12:19:23 pm
The young Womack is quite stocky, but he is getting the job done!!
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Post by: msf on August 01, 2022, 12:20:16 pm
Thompson has had a pretty good season, I would say Dalquist is the only one struggling. Both are very young for High A ball.
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Post by: Shoeless on August 01, 2022, 02:19:51 pm
No one talks about Ramos. He is younger than Montgomery and been at high A all season.
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Post by: msf on August 03, 2022, 08:28:41 am
He has improved his K rate quite a bit, showing a bit more power. Seems to be able to play 3B, he may be a player.
Colas, Ramos, Mieses, J Rodriguez, Kath (maybe), Gladney (needs to knock down the Ks), Montgomery, Lenyn Sosa, Norman and Cespedes (maybe) are all good prospects. Maybe add in Yolbert Sanchez.
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Post by: msf on August 03, 2022, 08:29:34 am
Thompson to AA, Norge Vera to W-S, Bilous to AAA. Moving some arms around
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Post by: msf on August 03, 2022, 01:56:47 pm
One other player I overlooked. Tyler Osik, a C,DH,1B type, his father played in the majors. Hitting a productive .312 and actually hit for the cycle today in their 8-0 win. Norman got his 9th homer among 2 hits and now hitting .314
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Post by: BillSharp on August 06, 2022, 03:32:44 am
Declan Cronin was a 36th round draft pick in 2019 out of Holy Cross. He's moved up to AAA in his 3rd minor league season. Career era 3.85, WHIP 1.27. Relief pitcher, only started 1 game in the minors.
Nothing stands out. 6'4, 225 RHP. I'd love to see him pitch to see what kind of stuff he has.
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Post by: josephc on August 22, 2022, 10:29:56 am
A bunch of players promoted to AA Birmingham, including Duke Ellis, Colson Montgomery, etc.
Basically they're going with an expanded roster in Birmingham, activating / de-activating guys on a rotating basis. The idea is to give players (like Montgomery) a mix of higher-level competition and instruction.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 27, 2022, 04:11:32 am
Duke Ellis stole 2 bases at AA last night. he has 52 for the year.
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Post by: msf on August 27, 2022, 06:02:36 am
Mieses might be the sleeper of all the prospects.
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Post by: BillSharp on August 27, 2022, 08:30:13 am
always liked him. my question is his fielding. was a cf, now a corner OF and 1B man.
BTW, what happened to Caleb Freeman?
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Post by: msf on August 27, 2022, 09:51:58 am
Never seen Mieses play 1B. He is about 6'5", late growth. Seems to be ok in either corner of the OF, not a Clemente or anything like that. Just seems to get RBIs.
Freeman, not sure, I never liked him much. They do not have many young pitchers I like.
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Post by: PeteWard on January 19, 2023, 04:15:31 pm
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 16, 2023, 04:08:17 pm
White Sox 1st round pick signs for $588K under his slot value. Hopefully that's enough of a savings to allow them to sgn George Wolkow, the 17-year old from Downers Grove North High School.
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Post by: aka Loveland on July 19, 2023, 09:23:09 pm
So depressing. I don’t spend much time thinking about it - but how on earth are we back here again. Good gracious.
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Post by: msf on July 20, 2023, 07:12:19 am
It is depressing. Such a poorly run franchise. Poor scouting, poor coaching throughout the org. Patience is getting thin, I know it is going to be a while until we get new ownership, that is the only thing that can turn it around and it will take time.
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Post by: AndyMacFAIL on July 21, 2023, 11:31:18 am
The White Sox have signed or agreed to terms with 19 of their 20 draft picks. Only 12th-round pick (#359): Mathias LaCombe, RHP, Cochise College has not yet agreed to terms. The White Sox have until 5 p.m. ET on Tuesday, July 25, to come to terms with all of its Draft selections.
Info on Mathias LaCombe: A native of France, LaCombe was a product of Pôle France Baseball de Toulouse and has played for the French National Team. LaCombe came to the United States and pitched in 2023 for Cochise College, a two-year school in Arizona. The right-hander has some arm strength, with a fastball in the 90-95 mph range. His 77-83 mph slider is inconsistent and he varies the length and shape to it. A good athlete and competitor on the mound, he got better in a starting role as the season came to a close. He's committed to Louisiana-Lafayette if the Draft doesn't work out.
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Post by: BlackSox on July 31, 2023, 07:19:49 pm
MSF, anything going on in the minors of note (besides our AAA & AA squads totally suck and our #1 prospect has been hurt most of the season)?
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Post by: msf on August 02, 2023, 11:18:47 am
Supposedly Montgomery, who has been real good since he started playing, is going to be a top 10 recruit across the board. I did not like returns we were getting in the trades, but MLB.com rated the top 40 prospects traded at deadline and Sox have of them.
C Quero, from Angels, is 4.
LHP Eder from Marlins was 5. Nastrini, the RHP from Dodgers, is 7. Bush, the LHP from Angels, was 11.
Lee, the catcher from Astros, is 22. Leasure, the RHP from Dodgers, is 36. Carela, the RHP from Yankees, is 38.
So somebody liked our returns.
Really no one else to talk about down there. Leasure blew his first save attempt big time yesterday.
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Post by: josephc on August 02, 2023, 02:16:35 pm
The pieces we gave up indicate "we're retooling," but the pieces we got back in return indicate "we're rebuilding."
I hate this front office.
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Post by: msf on August 02, 2023, 08:29:25 pm
The entire front office from owner down to the managers/coaches is a joke.
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Post by: PeteWard on August 03, 2023, 07:25:33 pm
So I don't actually watch most of their games. What's the buzz on Grifols? Is he a bad manager or a manager of a bad team?
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Post by: BlackSox on August 14, 2023, 06:28:18 pm
Both.
I went to a game a few weeks ago and instead of coming on to the field to Thunderstruck, they came out to Jakkity Sax.
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Post by: aka Loveland on August 23, 2023, 06:44:16 am
I concur. Both
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Post by: msf on November 06, 2023, 07:58:28 am
In Arizona Fall league All-Star game Colson Montgomery his a homer while going 2-2 to gain MVP of the game. Eder, the pitcher we got for Burger got the win going 1 inning. The kid really faring well there that we got from the Dodgers is that relief pitcher Leasure. He has been tough all Fall and striking out a ton of hitters.