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Offline josephc

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #300 on: September 27, 2011, 12:26:08 pm »

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #301 on: September 27, 2011, 12:49:45 pm »
if he doesn't go as far as promising 7 championships, he won't talk himself out of anything in Miami

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« Reply #302 on: September 27, 2011, 12:55:15 pm »
Despite being named interim manager, Joey Cora was told by Fukkhead Williams to not come to the ballpark.  Don Cooper is your interim manager.

Kenny acted like a pud last night during the presser, and looks like an even bigger one today.   

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« Reply #303 on: September 27, 2011, 01:01:48 pm »
And what two minor leaguers Blackie? Better be something decent, at least off their 40 man roster.

Reports have it as Osvaldo Martinez (SS prospect who took a couple bullets in a drive by a few years ago) and some schmoe.

More on Oss-vie here:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-sox-will-reportedly-receive-two-players-for-guillen-20110927,0,1662373.story

And here:  http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/09/white-sox-expected-to-acquire-osvaldo-martinez-for-ozzie.html

He probably takes 11's spot.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #304 on: September 27, 2011, 01:16:18 pm »
Despite being named interim manager, Joey Cora was told by Fukkhead Williams to not come to the ballpark.  Don Cooper is your interim manager.

Kenny acted like a pud last night during the presser, and looks like an even bigger one today.

Really classy KW.  i'd bet a paycheck if KW was fired he wouldnt be wanted by any other franchise

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #305 on: September 27, 2011, 01:31:08 pm »
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i'd bet a paycheck if KW was fired he wouldnt be wanted by any other franchise

Why? Just like Jim Hendry will probably get another GM job somewhere (even though you don't hear about teams lining up for him now), I'm sure KW would land on his feet with another team, too.

You can say if Ozzie didn't have a strong Hispanic following in Miami that the Marlins may not be clamoring for him either.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #306 on: September 27, 2011, 04:07:59 pm »
I am really depressed over this mess.... i'm going to miss Ozzie.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #307 on: September 27, 2011, 05:21:56 pm »
Even more so if KW isnt canned too

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #308 on: September 27, 2011, 07:11:03 pm »
I am really depressed over this mess.... i'm going to miss Ozzie.

Not me. He was God-awful managing the club this year, and it was because he didn't like his GM.
Absolutely unprofessional. Do your job.

Assuming KW is planning on hiring Sandy Alomar, Jr. this is a positive for the ballclub.
Coop and Baines are back. Works for me.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #309 on: September 27, 2011, 07:31:16 pm »
God aweful managing Rios? or Pierre? or Dunn? maybe Peavy? or the amazing Stewart...

He was given a team that had 6 starting pitchers... after the trading deadline he had 4.

Maybe... just maybe if we had a GM that dropped dead weight from the roster, instead of holding onto it to prove he was right in making the acquisition the manager wouldn't be put in those situations.

IMO the problem with this team wasnt how it was run on the field... but how it was put together, and its KW that spent 124 million on that mess of a roster last season.

One can give him a pass on a lot of deals... and if you end up weighing the rest it still ends sharply against him, and thats only with the 40 man roster... not much talent on the horizon either.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #310 on: September 27, 2011, 07:49:18 pm »
No, ISF pretty much nailed it:

He was God-awful managing the club this year, and it was because he didn't like his GM.
Absolutely unprofessional.


Again, no fan of KW's recent deals (Dunn, Hudson, Swisher, Rios, Sox looking like the losers of all of those), but Ozzie was horrible this year, almost as if he was deliberately sabotaging the season.

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« Reply #311 on: September 27, 2011, 08:33:01 pm »
Sounds like you all except Method are giving KW a pass and blaming Ozzie for this season. If you are going to fire the manager for his production on the field you cant give the man who assembled the team a free pass. Get rid of his butt too.

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« Reply #312 on: September 27, 2011, 09:09:12 pm »
No, ISF pretty much nailed it:

He was God-awful managing the club this year, and it was because he didn't like his GM.
Absolutely unprofessional.


Again, no fan of KW's recent deals (Dunn, Hudson, Swisher, Rios, Sox looking like the losers of all of those), but Ozzie was horrible this year, almost as if he was deliberately sabotaging the season.

I think thats bull$h1t. KW gave ozzie a 25 man roster and he player those players. Why does he have to be handcuffed with a 23 man roster?? Why cant KW admit a mistake or 3 and cut one of the players he wants benched so badly?

Ozzie didnt put in a claim on a96 million dollar contract for a sh!t  ball player like rios. According to the popular opinion on this board... Rios has great talent but a 2 cent head... and thats Ozzies fault... a new manager is somehow going to make him a great player... perhaps the new manager is just going to make his 18 million dollar CF a bench player and KW wont say a word about it.

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« Reply #313 on: September 27, 2011, 09:17:41 pm »
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God aweful managing Rios? or Pierre? or Dunn? maybe Peavy? or the amazing Stewart...

For as bad as he started off Juan Pierre has been the least of this team's problems this year. And except for Rios and maybe Edwin Jackson, KW assembled a team that should have been good enough to win this awful division. Dunn and Peavy were 2 players any GM would've taken on. Dunn's season has been so bad that you almost have to assume is a fluke. I'm not a huge fan of Peavy but he did have major surgery (something KW could not have forseen or prevented) so you can't really blame KW for that one either. It's possible that both guys come back in a huge way next year.

Besides that, who else? Beckham has regressed but is that Kenny's fault too? Remember, he wanted to fire Greg Walker but the chairman undermined him. And if you want to bring up Juan Pierre, KW wanted to get rid of him also but someone else undermined him and wanted to keep him. Who was that? Oh yeah, Ozzie Guillen.

But it was KW who made killer deals in getting guys like Tadahit Iguchi, Matt Thornton, Johnny Danks, Phil Humber (who carried this team for the first several months) and several others I'm sure I'm not thinking of right now. Has he swung and missed on deals? Hell yeah. Name a GM who doesn't? But I'd rather have a guy swing and miss because he's aggressive than someone who never takes any chances. How boring would that be? Not to mention we'd probably become the Pirates.

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« Reply #314 on: September 27, 2011, 09:27:59 pm »
That leaves the likes of a Buddy Bell, Class AAA Charlotte manager Joe McEwing or former Sox catcher Sandy Alomar Jr.

Well, since Alomar is the only ex-Sox currently coaching at the ML level, he gets the job by default.

Wrong my friend... How about Dave Martinez ?

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« Reply #315 on: September 27, 2011, 09:36:44 pm »
For some reason I think Davey Martinez would make a helluva manager. I will go with him. Plus, he and KW can talk about who has scored more of the players' wives/GFs.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #316 on: September 27, 2011, 09:50:07 pm »
I'll take the prican to manage. I hear dave is highly regarded.

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« Reply #317 on: September 27, 2011, 09:59:37 pm »
Yes, Ozzie was given Rios and Dunn. He was also given De Aza and Lillibridge.
No one put a gun to Ozzie's head and told him he had to bat Rios clean-up. Nor did they tell him to pinch-hit Dunn for Lillibridge against a lefty. It was Ozzie's job to figure out the lineup. He decided to try and show KW up instead of win ballgames. Again, unprofessional.

Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo, Brent Morel and De Aza all look like young guys who should be starting next year.
Lillibridge looks to have arrived as a super-utility guy. Quentin was a KW get. Beckham still has the potential to be a player.

Pitching wasn't the problem this year, nor does it look to be going forward. Without the drama, this club has the talent to succeed.



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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #318 on: September 27, 2011, 10:07:08 pm »
Agreed

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #319 on: September 27, 2011, 11:59:00 pm »
He decided to try and show KW up instead of win ballgames.

It certainly seemed like that was the motivation for some of his managerial moves, though we'll never really know for sure.  But there sure as heck was no other logical explanation in the vicinity.

And again -- Method, Wshfl, et.al., who mistakenly assume that I'm backing KW just because I'm criticizing Ozzie -- the guy has made some bad deals in the past two years, but this article doesn't really make him out to the problem child in the Sox family:

http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7028479/chicago-white-sox-gm-kenny-williams-says-was-willing-step-down

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #320 on: September 28, 2011, 12:01:31 am »
For some reason I think Davey Martinez would make a helluva manager. I will go with him. Plus, he and KW can talk about who has scored more of the players' wives/GFs.

Heh, ya think Ryne Sandberg will join his coaching staff?

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« Reply #321 on: September 28, 2011, 08:20:56 am »
Yes, Ozzie was given Rios and Dunn. He was also given De Aza and Lillibridge.
No one put a gun to Ozzie's head and told him he had to bat Rios clean-up. Nor did they tell him to pinch-hit Dunn for Lillibridge against a lefty. It was Ozzie's job to figure out the lineup. He decided to try and show KW up instead of win ballgames. Again, unprofessional.

Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo, Brent Morel and De Aza all look like young guys who should be starting next year.
Lillibridge looks to have arrived as a super-utility guy. Quentin was a KW get. Beckham still has the potential to be a player.

Pitching wasn't the problem this year, nor does it look to be going forward. Without the drama, this club has the talent to succeed.

To that I disagree. Not with the likes of Done and Rehose and the likes of Peavey and Humber. And since any decent pitcher on the farm is just trade bait for KW I am not sold we have 4 great starters. Buehrle isnt likely back with a raise in order. Floyd hasnt matured. Danks is very inconsistant. PV cant stay healthy.

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« Reply #322 on: September 28, 2011, 09:18:03 am »
Heh, ya think Ryne Sandberg will join his coaching staff?

You know, I hear snickering allusions to this story from time to time. There have gotta be some details out there. I shall search.

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« Reply #323 on: September 28, 2011, 10:07:42 am »
Buehrle isnt likely back with a raise in order.

I fully expect Buerhle to be re-signed.

I also expect Danks to be traded, and Sale to replace him in the rotation.

Buerhle/Floyd/Sale/Peavy/Humber is likely to be the rotation in April 2012.


Pierre will not be re-signed. De Aza and Lillibridge make him expendable.

I don't think AJ will be back either.


CF   De Aza
SS   Ramirez
1B   Konerko
RF   Quentin
DH   Dunn
RF   Viciedo
C     Flowers
3B   Morel
2B   Beckham

Bench

Rios, Lillibridge, Castro, Kuhn

That is an awfully young lineup with potential to be very productive.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #324 on: September 28, 2011, 10:21:17 am »
Heh, ya think Ryne Sandberg will join his coaching staff?

You know, I hear snickering allusions to this story from time to time. There have gotta be some details out there. I shall search.


Try searching on "Cindy Sandberg's corn cob dress"

 

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