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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1300 on: April 13, 2014, 09:56:21 pm »
You know that Rizzo was with the White Sox and at least partially responsible for the Frank Thomas signing. Did the bad blood start then when Rizzo left?

The bad blood started on July 30, 2010 when he reneged on the Edwin Jackson for Adam Dunn deal.  The White Sox would have never traded Hudson & Holmberg for Jackson if Rizzo didn't tell KW/RH that he'd trade Dunn for Jackson. 

The 2010 White Sox needed offense as Mark Kotsay was their primary DH.  KW/RH expected Dunn to be a big upgrade and add some needed punch for the August-October push to make post-season play.  Rizzo's last minute screw job lead them to scramble to acquire Manny Ramirez from the Dodgers and we all know how that worked out.  At the time of the Jackson trade, the White Sox were in 1st place, a couple of game ahead of Minnesota.  The Twins ended up winning the division by 6 games. 

It also didn't help that, while Jackson pitched fairly well, Hudson was lights out for Arizona, a 7-1 record with a 1.69 ERA in eleven starts.

Mike Rizzo also tries to take way more credit for the White Sox drafting Frank Thomas than he ever deserves as Rizzo was an area scout at the time.  His territory was the Upper Midwest (Iowa, Minnesota, Western Illinois & Wisconsin). Not only was Frank a well known talent to all of the MLB teams, he didn't play in the midwest as Frank was from Georgia and went to Auburn.  Rod Fridley was the White Sox area scout for Georgia in 1988.  GM Larry Himes and Director of Scouting Al Goldis made the decision to pick Frank with input from Asst. Scouting Director Steve Noworyta and National Crosschecker Dan Monzon.






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« Reply #1301 on: April 14, 2014, 09:09:30 am »
You know that Rizzo was with the White Sox and at least partially responsible for the Frank Thomas signing. Did the bad blood start then when Rizzo left?



No, bad blood started during that trade that did not happen. Rizzo left under good circumstances, got a great offer from a diff. org.

BTW, yes, I would trade Beckham if we can swing it. Semien is going to be a much better player IMO.

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« Reply #1302 on: April 27, 2014, 12:03:28 pm »

•The White Sox might prefer not to trade John Danks, who they have signed to a reasonable contract through 2016. But Adam Dunn is set to become a free agent, and the team has plenty of potential replacements for Alexei Ramirez and Gordon Beckham, so Chicago could deal any of those players at the deadline.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/04/rosenthal-on-white-sox-johnson-cruz.html

I would have no problem with trading either Beckham or Ramirez at the deadline. Frankly, we ought to trade Ramirez now while he's had a hot start.

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« Reply #1303 on: April 27, 2014, 05:41:01 pm »
I would prefer not to trade Ramirez, personally.

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« Reply #1304 on: April 27, 2014, 06:36:09 pm »
I would prefer not to trade Ramirez, personally.

Same here. He might have finally matured and is a big attribute as a SS.

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« Reply #1305 on: May 15, 2014, 12:23:52 pm »
While I think we have or could get adequate replacements for Ramierez, I think his relationship and leadership for the other Cubans on the team ought to put him in the no trade category.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1306 on: May 15, 2014, 12:46:28 pm »
I know its a sin to say this... but with the rangers rotation falling apart... if Sale is ok... we should really consider selling him for a kings ransom rangers are one team that will pay for a pitcher of Sale's caliber.

With Jose Fernandez going down.. i am not sure how long before Sale has TJS at this point.

Getting a package of something like Odor, alfaro and profar for sale might be possible. doubt they would trade Gallo but he'd be a tremendous asset as well. If Aiken or Rondon fall to 3 in the draft, i really hope the consider moving Sale to finish the offensive overhaul.

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« Reply #1307 on: May 15, 2014, 01:58:37 pm »
Gallo, HS teammate of Johnny Field. I am going to say now I do not think Gallo makes it. Maybe as another Olt, homers and Ks.

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« Reply #1308 on: May 15, 2014, 02:10:35 pm »
Boooooooo.....

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the minors.  See Matt Davidson, oh I forgot. We can't.

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« Reply #1309 on: May 27, 2014, 10:43:50 am »
Red Sox are looking for cheap help in CF, might be a good opportunity to unload De Aza.

Pirates DFA'd Vin Mazzaro. Mazzaro has performed this year, I'd take him for our bullpen.

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« Reply #1310 on: May 27, 2014, 02:10:36 pm »
I like our pen right now. Petricka and Webb belong in the bigs. Putnam has been pleasant surprise. Not sure who I would cut. I still like Belisario as a set up man, has Thornton-itis as a closer. Downs is our only LH. Guess Guerra or Carroll could be cut. I would like to see what Guerra can do. Carroll could be released to take on Mazzaro I guess.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1311 on: June 21, 2014, 12:09:21 pm »
From last week...


The White Sox have announced that they’ve acquired outfielder Michael Taylor from the Athletics for pitcher Jake Sanchez. Taylor, 28, played sparingly for the Athletics in 2011 through 2013. He posted a .243/.357/.385 line in 258 plate appearances for Triple-A Sacramento this year and is a career .275/.367/.436 hitter at the Triple-A level. Sanchez, 24, had a 2.80 ERA with 9.7 K/9 and 2.1 BB/9 for Class A+ Kannapolis. The White Sox purchased his contract from the independent Joliet Slammers last year.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/minor-moves-wilton-lopez.html


Basically, we took a guy from the independent league and turned him into a AAAA OF. I would normally poo-poo that, except there are a couple teams, including the Phillies, that could use a AAAA OF to upgrade their OF. I'd also say there is evidence to suggest Taylor > De Aza.

Kudos to Hahn.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1312 on: June 25, 2014, 01:52:53 pm »
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Mariners would be in playoffs if postseason started today. They're expected to talk with White Sox if Dunn, Ramirez, Viciedo available.

Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
White Sox in last place now, and -- if they decide to sell -- have four bats to possibly move: Dunn, Beckham, Ramirez, Viciedo.


If Dunn and Viciedo are available? I would have to think both are very available!! I don't understand why Seattle would want Viciedo in that spacious ballpark, but hell, if they have something semi-decent to offer we should be listening.

I'm a little torn on trading Ramirez. But if he could bring some really good pieces back....again, have to listen. Just not sure who we have to step in and play a good SS. Our defense is bad enough already.

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« Reply #1313 on: June 25, 2014, 02:01:17 pm »
Most likely to happen:   Beckham to the Blue Jays


Least likely to happen:  Adam Dunn anywhere

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
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« Reply #1315 on: June 30, 2014, 02:58:43 pm »
An Astros database was hacked an internal discussions from last year's trading deadline and offseason trade proposals were leaked. Interesting stuff. Hahn was trying to get Jason Castro:

I spoke with [White Sox GM Rick Hahn] today. They have definite high interest in Castro. He said they have four untouchable players - Sale, Quintana, Abreu and Garcia. Other than that, they would consider anything. He said they have had some inquiries about Santiago, Reed, Jones, and may consider moving Viciedo.

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« Reply #1316 on: June 30, 2014, 03:01:22 pm »
How could Abreu have been an untouchable player at last year's deadline?   

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1317 on: June 30, 2014, 03:37:22 pm »
Oops, that quote was from 10/31/13....not the trade deadline. Sorry, forgot to include the date.

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« Reply #1318 on: June 30, 2014, 03:55:33 pm »
Oops, that quote was from 10/31/13....not the trade deadline. Sorry, forgot to include the date.

...and Jose Abreu signed with the White Sox on October 29th so the 'leaked e-mails & reports' could be real.


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« Reply #1319 on: June 30, 2014, 04:00:14 pm »
According to some of the reports I've read, the leaked info is believed to be legit.

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« Reply #1320 on: July 04, 2014, 01:35:57 pm »

The Mariners and Giants are among the teams who have talked to the White Sox about acquiring outfielder Dayan Viciedo, ESPN Boston’s Gordon Edes reports.  The Mariners have considered sending righty Brandon Maurer and another player to Chicago in exchange for Viciedo, while the extent of the Giants’ interest in the Cuban slugger isn’t known.

Viciedo has struggled to a .242/.294/.404 slash line over 326 PA this season, hitting nine homers and producing only an 89 wRC+.  He has roughly $1.4MM remaining on his contract for this season, and he is controlled through 2017 as a Super Two player.  Viciedo is still just 25 years old and posted some big power numbers in the minors, so a change of scenery could help, though moving from hitter-friendly US Cellular Field to pitcher-friendly parks in Seattle and San Francisco doesn’t seem ideal for a batter looking to realize his potential.

This isn’t the first time Seattle has been linked to Viciedo, as the M’s and Sox explored a swap during Spring Training.  The Mariners are still looking for some outfield power, as while Michael Saunders (RF) and James Jones (CF) have mostly locked down everyday roles, former top prospect Dustin Ackley has contributed only a .640 OPS while getting the bulk of playing time in left field.  Since all three of these players are left-handed batters, Viciedo would add some balance from the right side.

Maurer, who just turned 24 yesterday, has a 6.51 ERA in 37 1/3 IP (seven starts and three relief outings) for Seattle this season.  A 23rd-round draft pick in 2008, Maurer has recorded a 3.79 ERA, 8.4 K/9 and 2.7 K/BB rate over 389 minor league innings.

Brandon Belt returns from the DL today, leaving the Giants with an ideal regular lineup of Belt at first base, Michael Morse in left and Hunter Pence in right.  If Viciedo were to go to San Francisco, then, it would be as a bench bat and DH option for interleague games in AL stadiums.  Viciedo has graded out as a below-average outfielder over his career, so it’s hard to see him getting much playing time in the spacious AT&T Park outfield.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/mariners-giants-interested-in-dayan-viciedo.html

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« Reply #1321 on: July 08, 2014, 08:57:19 am »

The White Sox are willing to move second baseman Gordon Beckham, reports Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports, but Jose Quintana isn’t available (Twitter link). The 27-year-old Beckham opened the season on the disabled list and had a strong month of May after being activated, but he’s cooled since that time and is hitting .248/.302/.395. He’s under team control through 2015 and is earning $4.18MM this season after avoiding arbitration for the second time this season. It’s not entirely surprising that the team wouldn’t move Quintana, as he just inked a five-year, $21MM contract extension in Spring Training. He’s in the midst of his finest season in the Majors to this point, having posted a 3.20 ERA with 8.0 K/9, 2.6 BB/9 and a 47.6 percent ground-ball rate.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/chicago-links-beckham-quintana-garcia-samardzija.html

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1322 on: July 08, 2014, 09:05:48 am »
Apparently Hahn doesn't buy into the "our bullpen sucks because of Jose Quintana" theory either.

For the record, I've seen plenty of examples of pitchers who always pitched under their competition, or over their competition. Jack Morris is a great example of a pitcher who always did just enough to win. Our own Jack McDowell was another.

The caveat is that you have to be in the game to have that opportunity. The Jacks finished what they started. The were able to control their own destiny.
Quintana, in this day and age of pitch counts and TJ surgery, does not.  Watching Ronald Belisario blow the lead you left with is not a curse, nor is it a sign you pitch under your competition. It is a sign your GM doesn't want to eat his contract and probably can't find a taker for trade.


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« Reply #1323 on: July 10, 2014, 07:56:22 pm »

The White Sox have acquired righty Bobby Doran from the Astros, reports MLB.com’s Brian McTaggart (via Twitter). Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle reports that shortstop Jeffry Santos is headed to Houston (Twitter links). Doran, 25, has pitched in the upper minors since 2012, working as a starter and out of the pen while compiling a 3.83 ERA at the Double-A level and 4.90 mark at Triple-A. He was taken in the fourth round out of Texas Tech back in 2010. The 21-year-old Santos is old for his current Arizona Rookie League club, where he’s posted a .295/.483/.386 batting line in 60 PA.


http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/angels-release-rich-hill.html

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« Reply #1324 on: July 17, 2014, 02:29:43 pm »

The White Sox have made a series of transactions at the minor league level, according to a tweet from its Triple-A affiliate Charlotte Knights (h/t to MLB.com’s Scott Merkin). The team has added righty Chien-Ming Wang on a minor league deal. Wang, who has thrown at least 27 MLB innings over each of the last three seasons, was recently let go by the Reds after opting out of his deal.

Meanwhile, the Reds have acquired righty Dylan Axelrod from the White Sox for an as-yet unknown return. The 28-year-old threw 128 1/3 innings last year for Chicago, including 20 starts, but managed only a 5.68 ERA with 5.1 K/9 and 3.0 BB/9. He currently sports a 4.50 ERA through 88 frames at Triple-A on the year, logging 7.8 K/9 versus 3.7 BB/9.

The White Sox also released Deunte Heath, a 28-year-old righty who has tossed 9 2/3 MLB innings over the past two seasons. Heath will evidently be signing with a Japanese club after posting generally excellent numbers at the Triple-A level over the past several seasons.




http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/white-sox-sign-chien-ming-wang-trade-dylan-axelrod-to-reds.html

 

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