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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1000 on: July 30, 2013, 09:52:54 pm »
Sounds like Peavy to Red Sox is almost a done deal.   At least according to BBTN.

They also said we are getting Jose Iglesias in the deal, which means #10 may be out the door.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1001 on: July 30, 2013, 10:37:48 pm »
Nothing official, and the twitters and message boards are all over the place (all over the nation moms are making meat loaves for their basement denizens), but now it seems we get Avisail Garcia (interesting dude) and 3 lower level minor leaguers.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1002 on: July 30, 2013, 10:50:42 pm »
Well, I got the 3 team deal part right...

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1003 on: July 30, 2013, 11:16:03 pm »
Other 3 minor leaguers are Jeffrey Wendelken, Francellis Montas, Cleuluis Rondon.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1004 on: July 30, 2013, 11:50:14 pm »
Supposedly no cash to Boston in the deal.   Assuming they will use that money next year for high-priced top 5 draft pick + huge international money allotment.    If so... looking like a good deal.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1005 on: July 31, 2013, 08:22:11 am »
I like the return. Give up Peavy, get 4 prospects (including Avisail Garcia, #74 on BA's preseason top 100).

Garcia (RF, 22, AAA): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=garcia001avi
Lots of hitting potential. All-star-upside (per BA), with average defense in RF (again, per BA). I don't like his low walk rate, but his power is great. They call him "Mini-Miggy" in Detroit for his resemblance to Miguel Cabrera.

Jeffrey Wendelken (RP, 22, A): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=wendel000jef
Drafted last year in the 13th round, so he's basically had the equivalent of 1 full season. Numbers so far look decent. 82 K's in 86 1/3 innings across two half seasons in Rookie / A ball. Future bullpen arm, it looks like.

Francellis Montas (SP, 20, A): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=montas001fra
Numbers make him look like a power arm (96 K's in 85 1/3 innings as a starter in A ball). ERA looks pretty putrid this year. Looks like a "project" arm.

Cleuluis Rondon (SS, 19, Low A): http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=rondon000cle&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.typepad.com
OK numbers. Zero power so far, but he's 19 years old at 6'0" / 155. Looks like another "let's just see how this kid grows" kid.

Garcia is ML-ready (could step in if/when Rios is traded), and the other 3 are young, low-minors guys. Seems our system has had a lot of success lately developing arms, so I've got hope for Montas and Wendelken. No idea about Rondon.

My only knock on Garcia is his walk rate, but I like his numbers otherwise, and I liked what I saw of him last fall when he played with the Tigers.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1006 on: July 31, 2013, 09:53:05 am »
Cleuluis?

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1007 on: July 31, 2013, 09:59:21 am »
I was wondering what was in this for Detroit, but looks like JHONNY Peralta is going to get suspended, so Iglesias steps in.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1008 on: July 31, 2013, 12:22:34 pm »
Other 3 minor leaguers are Jeffrey Wendelken, Francellis Montas, Cleuluis Rondon.

MSF?
 

Excuse me while I puke. Two more hitters who never walk and K too much. Neither pitcher excites me. Bad trade.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1009 on: July 31, 2013, 01:08:37 pm »
i agree with MSF....

how is that the best we can get in a rough trade market? i get that we saved 20 million... Avisail sucks... hes dayan only from Venezuela.

we should have agreed to take on a bit of the salary and gotten an A level guy like polanco.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1010 on: July 31, 2013, 02:42:58 pm »
I don't agree with the "take on some money to get a better prospect" angle.   Is a "better prospect" worth $10 million, especially when that $10 million could be used to sign a top 3 draft pick and international players?

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1011 on: July 31, 2013, 03:00:53 pm »
I like the money angle,  for next year it is pretty key to rebuilding.

IMHO, I think the sox did well considering Peavy's salary and injuries

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1012 on: July 31, 2013, 03:09:51 pm »
Well this deadline sure ended in a dud. I was looking forward to seeing what Rios, Ramirez, and even Lindstrom might bring back (while also shedding all that salary).

Bit underwhelmed with the Peavy deal but it seems most people think very highly of Avisail Garcia and think the Sox did well in this trade. Keith Law wasn't thrilled with the trade, but he doesn't seem to like anything the Sox do.

Oh well, keep on losing and try for that top pick!

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1013 on: July 31, 2013, 03:21:03 pm »
I'm hoping some team is dumb enough to claim Rios when they put him on waivers in August.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1014 on: July 31, 2013, 03:49:31 pm »
We better use the money we are saving. That is my biggest worry. Not impressed with Mr Hahn thus far, dang it, really want to like him. We should have plenty of money to pick up some bats in Free Agency this year, since it appears we are not going to blow this team up.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1015 on: July 31, 2013, 04:35:55 pm »
depends on if they spend that money blackie. I dont see JR opening the wallet for draft picks... we'll get the 10th best toolsy two sport outfielder with the 3rd pick to ensure he's below slot.

avisail is really a flawed player... and i dont have much confidence of a hitting prospect turning it around in our system.

If brewers can get a guy like delmonico for f-rod... we aught to be able to get something better then avisail garcia for Peavy.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1016 on: July 31, 2013, 08:16:27 pm »
I'm happier with the deal, than with how I would feel today with no deal done.

Shedding $20 million in pay is a huge part of this deal, and if we spend that on acquisitions, free agents, draft picks, we win, even if Garcia folds. If we don't spend it then Garcia and some of the throw ins have to make it.

Having Peavy here for 1.5 years, on a last place team, paying him $20 million would be the biggest loser.

Hahn took the best he got offered.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1017 on: July 31, 2013, 08:38:43 pm »
I'm happier with the deal, than with how I would feel today with no deal done.

Shedding $20 million in pay is a huge part of this deal, and if we spend that on acquisitions, free agents, draft picks, we win, even if Garcia folds. If we don't spend it then Garcia and some of the throw ins have to make it.

Having Peavy here for 1.5 years, on a last place team, paying him $20 million would be the biggest loser.

Hahn took the best he got offered.

I like it even less now... can understand them wanting to save the 14 million he's due next year... offer to pay half his salary this year.. or all of it for a top tier prospect. for next year you still save the 14 million... or roughly double what this years #1 signed for.


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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1018 on: July 31, 2013, 09:17:09 pm »
For me I'm not going to get hung up on what could or should've happened ( I was not in the room so some things mentioned may have been discussed)

But I do know that the team has only about $60 mil committed for next year which basically cuts this year's payroll almost in half. So that is a whole lot of flexibility. Now if they could've gotten rid of dunn's salary

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1019 on: August 01, 2013, 08:25:05 am »
I was hoping we dumped more than Peavy. Count me disappointed

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1020 on: August 01, 2013, 08:43:09 am »
The good news is that with how crappy the guys are that we're trying to dump, they're sure to clear waivers, thus clearing way for them to be traded.

There's still more (or less??) hope.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1021 on: August 01, 2013, 08:47:37 am »
50M for Free Agency would be nice. That is several good players, do not have to get the most expensive guys, just guys better than, say Keppinger?

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1022 on: August 01, 2013, 12:16:11 pm »
just guys better than, say Keppinger?

Somewhere, several months back, I told you guys not to underestimate the Sox' biggest off-season move to land this guy.  Nostra-friggin-damus.

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Re: White Sox - Trades and Rumors
« Reply #1023 on: August 01, 2013, 01:27:08 pm »
If brewers can get a guy like delmonico for f-rod... we aught to be able to get something better then avisail garcia for Peavy.

The past few days Twitter was loaded with reports of how Hahn's asking price for Peavy was extremely high and there were those bogus leaks of teams being out on Peavy in order to drive the price down. One thing I kept thinking through all that was how other GM's are viewing Hahn. He's a rookie GM and the others thought if they play chicken the rookie will cave.

Hahn may have caved a bit with Peavy, who knows, but I wonder if the other deals weren't made because he had to show the other GM's that he means business and can play hardball with the rest of them. If so, he may have set a good tone by telling other teams he won't get bullied into making bad deals.

Epstein is said to have ice in his veins and is extremely patient so he will not back down from the price he sets for his players. Other Gm's know that and they cave to him. But how do they know that? From experience. So hopefully Hahn will be taken seriously going forward.

Of course, everything I just said may not be even close to the way things played out.....just speculating.

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« Reply #1024 on: August 01, 2013, 02:32:51 pm »
That would be ideal.

 

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