Author Topic: White Sox - Trades and Rumors (Read 105811 times)

Shoeless · « **Reply #2800 on:** February 22, 2019, 05:49:02 pm »

I did not like Harper...lots of OF options in minors, I don’t think he ages well, gonna be over $300 mil

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #2801 on:** February 22, 2019, 08:20:49 pm »

Quote from: AndyMacFAIL on February 19, 2019, 03:05:17 pm

$50 million more total gross but spread out over a contract that is two years longer. Net is considerable less when you consider the difference in state income taxes as currently IL is 4.95% and California is 13.5%. Playing for the Padres means 81 home games and 10 road games in LA and 9 road games in SF this year. That's 100 games out of a total of 162 subject to the higher CA tax rate. The White Sox play 7 total road games in CA (4 in Anaheim & 3 in Oakland). 100-7=93 more games per year at a 8.5% higher state income tax rate. 93/162 = 57.4%. $300 million x 57.4% x 8.5% = $14.65 more in state taxes. So basically $35 million more net but you become a free agent again at 36 years old instead of 34 years old. If he's still a productive in demand player at the end of the contract, a 34-year old should get a better deal than a 36-year old free agent. That's also not taking into consideration that being a superstar pro athlete playing for a Chicago-based team is more in demand than the same player playing for a smaller market like San Diego. Hell the '85 Bears players are still making $$ endorsement deals in Chicagoland.

Maybe it's the weather but honestly you expect Manny to live in Florida in the off-season and summer in Chicago is just as good and maybe better than summer in San Diego. Maybe he preferred the softer media and less pressure of San Diego versus the attention he'd receive in Chicago. He won't be scrutinized in SD like he would be in Chicago. Chicago is a sports crazed town while SD is not. Heck the Padres are the only major sports team there as they have no major pro football, basketball or hockey team.

Andy, I read somewhere that Manny could avoid a good amount of the extra CA taxes if the Padres take a portion of the $300 million and give it Manny as a signing bonus, in which case he pays no state taxes as a Florida resident.

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #2802 on:** February 22, 2019, 08:26:18 pm »

Quote from: Shoeless on February 21, 2019, 11:28:42 pm

How many WS have the Nats won? What huge contract did the Cards, Royals, Cubs, Astros do to fuel their WS titles? Interesting that the Phils, who are uber aaggresive, also passed.

Nats haven't won any WS, but I sure enjoyed 7 consecutive years of being division favorites, with another 3 or 4 years ahead to look forward too. Plus four division championships. Compare that to the WSox last 7 years, and that we have only been in the post season four times since 1960.

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #2803 on:** February 22, 2019, 08:31:34 pm »

Quote from: Shoeless on February 22, 2019, 05:49:02 pm

I did not like Harper...lots of OF options in minors, I don’t think he ages well, gonna be over $300 mil

Agree on Harper not aging well. I would have offered a very high high AAV for 6 years.

BillSharp · « **Reply #2804 on:** February 23, 2019, 05:43:35 pm »

Heard Hahn on the radio say the reports that the Sox weren't offering an opt-out were fake news, completely untrue.

BillSharp · « **Reply #2805 on:** February 24, 2019, 07:41:27 am »

Sox take a flyer on Ervin Santana w/ a minor league deal. He couldn't pitch after surgery on his middle finger last year, problems gripping the ball & getting the right spin on it. Fact that Sox were only team interested looks bad.

msf · « **Reply #2806 on:** February 26, 2019, 07:16:52 am »

Quote from: aka Loveland on February 22, 2019, 02:31:48 pm

Machado was not a good fit - which is why I preferred Harper. He doesn’t hustle, he isn’t going to turn that on simply because he signed a big contract, it is likely going to get worse. How is that a good fit for a young team? If he didn’t want to come here why would you want him??? I am not going to whine that he wasn’t offered enough to satisfy his ego, as Andy pointed out the taxes alone made it a comparable deal.

Let it go.

I am seriously ok not getting either.

Method · « **Reply #2807 on:** February 26, 2019, 12:30:38 pm »

Quote from: ISF on February 22, 2019, 03:24:17 pm

Quote from: Method on February 20, 2019, 02:50:25 pm

Have you ever looked at Nolan's home and away splits? 320/374/609 with a .290 iso at coors; 263/318/469 with a .206 iso on the road.

Rockies are also apparently working hard on a extension for him.

Like blackie said, we had a golden opportunity to get this done and we failed...

Of course Arenado's numbers are better at Coors. Everybody's are.
Extrapolate his numbers in games outside of Coors and you still get a guy that's going to hit 30 HRs, drive in 100 runs and OPS about .800.

Arenado is not going to get Machado money, because GMs are well aware of the splits. he is also older than Machado.

Cheaper, less years, all-star numbers...I'm good with it.

BREAKING: Third baseman Nolan Arenado and the Colorado Rockies are finalizing an eight-year, contract extension worth more than $255M, league sources tell ESPN. Deal includes an opt-out after three years, would give Arenado the largest per-year salary of any position player.

Method · « **Reply #2808 on:** February 26, 2019, 12:31:28 pm »

Machado contract is already a bargain... and harper has yet to sign. Watch goldy sign something like 6-190/200 as well.

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #2809 on:** June 06, 2019, 04:39:36 pm »

Alright with Craig Kimbrel to the nort'siders a done deal pending a physical, let's START some rumors.

How about closer Alex Colomé to the Brew Crew for OF Corey Ray. Maybe even offer to include up to $3 million if they include their #9 prospect LHP Aaron Ashby in the deal. Corey Ray has been a big disappointment since being the overall #5 pick three years ago but he is a Chicago kid and one of the prized graduates of the White Sox ACE program.

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=641999#/career/R/hitting/2019/ALL

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=676879#/career/R/pitching/2019/ALL

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/ct-spt-corey-ray-brewers-haugh-20180224-story.html

Fair proposal or is it too much?

BillSharp · « **Reply #2810 on:** June 07, 2019, 07:11:33 pm »

Sox made a waiver claim:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/chicago-white-sox

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #2811 on:** June 20, 2019, 02:08:53 pm »

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White Sox could be quiet at Trade Deadline; Abreu staying put?

June 20: The White Sox have made some strides this season, playing .486 ball (35-37) after going 129-195 (.398) over the previous two seasons. However, the club is likely still at least a year away from seriously contending, and it isn’t likely to be among the top buyers this summer.

That said, Chicago might not be a major seller, either. MLB Network insider Ken Rosenthal writes in an article for The Athletic (subscription required) that the club may prefer to keep players such as catcher James McCann and relievers Kelvin Herrera and Alex Colome to make a push next season. Each of those players is under control through 2020.

Jose Abreu can become a free agent this offseason, but according to Rosenthal, general manager Rick Hahn has said the first baseman is "very likely" to remain with the club.

As a result, it could be a quiet Trade Deadline for the White Sox.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rumors-trades-and-signings

ISF · « **Reply #2812 on:** July 01, 2019, 04:18:27 pm »

I highly suspect Colome will be traded. Everyone needs bullpen help right now and Colome and Felipe Vasquez are probably the best two on the market.

shawnabner · « **Reply #2813 on:** July 01, 2019, 05:06:20 pm »

I won't be surprised to see them trade Colome, but I suspect that they keep him. They control him for another year and I think they fully plan on competing in 2020. I think they keep Abreu too.

msf · « **Reply #2814 on:** July 02, 2019, 06:43:31 am »

I sure hope so.

Shoeless · « **Reply #2815 on:** July 02, 2019, 09:48:04 am »

Hope they keep? I agree. You’re not getting a top 50 prospect for any of our guys so stay on track for next year.

msf · « **Reply #2816 on:** July 02, 2019, 01:00:59 pm »

Quote from: Shoeless on July 02, 2019, 09:48:04 am

Hope they keep? I agree. You’re not getting a top 50 prospect for any of our guys so stay on track for next year.

Yes, keep

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #2817 on:** July 02, 2019, 09:14:33 pm »

Its possible that the Nats would trade Carter Kieboom a top 50 guy for Colome.The are back into the race and desperately need bullpen help.

I'm not sure Kieboom is a need for us given we have Moncada Anderson and Madrigal.

Shoeless · « **Reply #2818 on:** July 02, 2019, 11:13:08 pm »

I’d take Kieboom and then deal Anderson

josephc · « **Reply #2819 on:** July 03, 2019, 08:11:09 pm »

I say trade Colome.

Relief pitching is a fickle commodity. You have unknown guys coming out of nowhere to become dominant each year, and the markets won't get any hotter than during the regular season. You're going to get an inflated value out of relievers by contenders who just need that one extra arm to get themselves over the hump.

I think there are enough arms out there during the offseason that you can bring in a half dozen low-risk / high-upside guys and hope that one sticks.

BillSharp · « **Reply #2820 on:** July 05, 2019, 12:08:48 pm »

Why did we trade a solid young starting left handed hitting catcher (Narvaez) for Colome if we just use him as trade dead line material?

msf · « **Reply #2821 on:** July 05, 2019, 01:12:34 pm »

Quote from: BillSharp on July 05, 2019, 12:08:48 pm

Why did we trade a solid young starting left handed hitting catcher (Narvaez) for Colome if we just use him as trade dead line material?

He can hit, I give him that. Now, does the pitching staff miss him? Is he calling a good game? Stopping the running game at all? That was some of the rap on him. I saw a rating of all MLB catchers last year that played a certain amount. I think there were about 150 ranked and he was like 144 or 148 as a defensive catcher. Actually that may have been for framing, he was like the WORST framing catcher in baseball last year. Think about that. Does not help the staff out a lot.

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #2822 on:** July 05, 2019, 06:58:20 pm »

And, whether we trade him for a top 50 prospect this year or next, I’d make that trade again a thousand times.

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #2823 on:** July 25, 2019, 12:23:58 pm »

Ivan Nova: Trade Candidate?

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/ivan-nova-trade-candidate.html

BlackSox · « **Reply #2824 on:** July 31, 2019, 10:50:44 am »

Weird trade:

Nate Jones plus international slot compensation & cash considerations goes to Texas; we get a could schmoe low-level pitchers.