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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #250 on: September 20, 2011, 09:24:41 am »
I don't think we need to be sold.  We should be encouraging an investor coup to remove Reinsdorf from the chairman's seat...

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #251 on: September 20, 2011, 10:31:16 am »
Oooohhh, mutiny.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #252 on: September 20, 2011, 12:57:06 pm »
Aye Aye Captain

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #253 on: September 20, 2011, 01:05:33 pm »
How is JR the problem?  Payroll is top 8 or so in baseball. 

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #254 on: September 20, 2011, 01:11:32 pm »
So why is it top 8? And there lies the problem, not the manager.

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« Reply #255 on: September 20, 2011, 01:55:31 pm »
I concur with Shoeless.

  JR paid up, the GM failed entirely.   

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #256 on: September 20, 2011, 02:16:27 pm »
Yeppers... which is why KW is the one that should get his walking papers... if they want to clean house and dump Ozzie for Logan thats fine too... but at the minimum we GOTTA rid ourselves of KW and go back to drafting decently.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #257 on: September 20, 2011, 02:37:49 pm »
Agree.  When it comes to supporting Williams, it's no longer IKWIT but I QUIT...

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #258 on: September 20, 2011, 05:07:11 pm »
I don't think we need to be sold.  We should be encouraging an investor coup to remove Reinsdorf from the chairman's seat...

That would be just fine.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #259 on: September 20, 2011, 10:18:00 pm »
JR gave KW the "blank check" and he f'd up bigtime.

Also isn't part of his job description to be building a strong minor league system?

Ozzie has run his course with his mouth!!

Send them both packing.

Maybe Gillick would like working on the Southside instead of the Northside.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #260 on: September 26, 2011, 04:27:03 pm »
Rumours, courtesy of some guy on local sports yakker "The Score" (WSCR AM670).

 - Ozzie met with Reinsdorf over the weekend and told him he wants to go to the Marlins.   JR is happy to accomodate him as long as the Marlins pay up in some form.

 - Cooper stays, Cora & Walker are gone.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #261 on: September 26, 2011, 04:32:02 pm »
I'm okay with if that happens.  You could even say that I'm "all in"...

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #262 on: September 26, 2011, 04:35:38 pm »
Ah luv me some Don Cooper, but we've got to give a new skipper his choice of assistants.  If the new guy wants Coop to stay on, then it's a win-win.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #263 on: September 26, 2011, 05:08:33 pm »
I tells ya, make him the BP coach and let the new manager bring in a real pitching coach.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #264 on: September 26, 2011, 06:03:11 pm »
I hope this also involves giving KW his walking papers....

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« Reply #265 on: September 26, 2011, 06:11:08 pm »
I don't think that's going to happen--given his loyalty to both guys, the fact of Ozzie leaving is a big big deal.  So I think it means just the opposite.   Kenny's won the power struggle, and this is about as big a chance as you get in one offseason.


My hope is that KW keeps on giving Rick Hahn more control, so that eventually Hahn becomes GM and Kenny kicks himself upstairs.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #266 on: September 26, 2011, 06:32:37 pm »
I dont want kenny in the org anymore... totally not the way i wished this'd played out.


We can only hope he's willing to cede more and more control to Hahn.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #267 on: September 26, 2011, 06:49:20 pm »
http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7023269/chicago-white-sox-ozzie-guillen-meets-owner-jerry-reinsdorf-comes-away-nothing

Sounds like Ozzie wants a raise and a new contract... JR's comments make it out to be Ozzie's choice if he wants to leave, but is open to the idea.

Effectively... Ozzie is gone...

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #268 on: September 26, 2011, 07:03:39 pm »
What I am hoping doesnt happen is that Rick Hahn finds a GM job elsewhere because Kenny is blocking his path upward

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #269 on: September 26, 2011, 08:43:47 pm »
In piecing together what little I've heard, whether it be radio guys or a friend of a guy, is that:
 - KW doesn't want to be "kicked upstairs", it's either "I'm GM or I'm fired"
 - Ozzie can't work with Kenny anymore, and told the chairman "get rid of that **** Kenny or let me go to FLA"
 - JR prefers they work together, but knows he has to choose one or the other, so he chose the payroll-handcuffing bastard Kenny Williams

FWIW.

At least the first part of the off-season will be interesting.  The rest will just be depressing.

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #270 on: September 26, 2011, 08:51:32 pm »
Ugh.   

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #271 on: September 26, 2011, 09:12:58 pm »
"Know-It-All Joe" Cowley says tonight is Ozzie's last game as the White Sox manager:

http://www.suntimes.com/7895136-417/ozzie-guillen-out-managing-last-white-sox-game-tonight.html


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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #272 on: September 26, 2011, 09:32:43 pm »
In piecing together what little I've heard, whether it be radio guys or a friend of a guy, is that:
 - KW doesn't want to be "kicked upstairs", it's either "I'm GM or I'm fired"
 - Ozzie can't work with Kenny anymore, and told the chairman "get rid of that **** Kenny or let me go to FLA"
 - JR prefers they work together, but knows he has to choose one or the other, so he chose the payroll-handcuffing bastard Kenny Williams

FWIW.

At least the first part of the off-season will be interesting.  The rest will just be depressing.

well, I said Ozzie was gone to FL, and that KW walks on water.   I think it gets ugly if KW continues to let his ego make decisions

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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #273 on: September 26, 2011, 09:53:57 pm »
Yes, you did.  And yes, it will.


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Re: Trades and Rumors
« Reply #274 on: September 26, 2011, 09:58:35 pm »
before the game against the Blue Jays that Guillen was traded to the Florida Marlins for two minor-leaguers

http://www.suntimes.com/7895136-417/ozzie-guillen-out-managing-last-sox-game-tonight-sources-say.html

 

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