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Re: The World Today
« Reply #100 on: May 06, 2011, 11:48:03 am »
Yes, please.

I bet no one can do it without calling him a misogynistic/xenophobic/homophobic corporate puppet.  Yawn.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #101 on: May 06, 2011, 12:37:52 pm »

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #102 on: May 06, 2011, 12:42:48 pm »
Consensus seems to be that Cain won the debate and boosted his case.

Santorum did well, but needs to polish his presentation.

Johnson is not a viable candidate.

Paul is entertaining but takes too many wild ass positions.

Pawlenty is just bland. The word I'm going to use is gravitas. He lacks it.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #103 on: May 07, 2011, 03:20:41 am »
 This sounds scary. From Newsmax:

Al-Qaida's online statement also urged Pakistanis to rise up against their government to "cleanse" the country of what it labeled as the "shame" inflicted upon the nation because bin Laden was killed in Pakistan.

With Al-Qaida in control of Pakistans nuclear arsenal, the world is in for big trouble.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #104 on: May 08, 2011, 11:25:31 am »
ISF...

I'll respond to the gitmo BS.

They knew for a fact that bin laden had a private courier... and were even more sure after the shiek repeatedly denied even his existence after being water-boarded over 100 times...

I'm sure we could get you to admit you love the cubs and sleep with sheep every opportunity you get if you were subjected to that kinda torture.  Doesn't mean the admittances are true.

His denial of the existence of the courier was more telling then most other things they got from him.

Information that one gets from such tactics is NOT reliable.

Absolutely LOVE the right spinning away that gitmo got this done.







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Re: The World Today
« Reply #105 on: May 08, 2011, 11:33:56 am »
On a different note. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is my new personal hero in Congress for his calls to end aid to Pakistan... about time SOMEONE in our government call out for an end to the aid we give the Pakistanis'.

Bin Ladin built a 1 million dollar compound with 18 foot walls 8 miles from one of the biggest and most prestigious Pakistani military bases/academies and they knew nothing about it... what a load of crap.

GOP leadership continues to erode their credibility in terms of national security. Boehner should pay more attention to his colleague from cali.

Within a decade Pakistan will be the largest threat to global stability, if they are not already there.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #106 on: May 08, 2011, 05:23:22 pm »
On a different note. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher is my new personal hero in Congress for his calls to end aid to Pakistan... about time SOMEONE in our government call out for an end to the aid we give the Pakistanis'.

Bin Ladin built a 1 million dollar compound with 18 foot walls 8 miles from one of the biggest and most prestigious Pakistani military bases/academies and they knew nothing about it... what a load of crap.

GOP leadership continues to erode their credibility in terms of national security. Boehner should pay more attention to his colleague from cali.

Within a decade Pakistan will be the largest threat to global stability, if they are not already there.

Pakistan is already unstable. They are ripe for an Al-Qaida takeover.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #107 on: May 08, 2011, 08:51:59 pm »
The Lefty tweak of the day...


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Re: The World Today
« Reply #108 on: May 09, 2011, 11:29:57 am »
Pakistan is already unstable. They are ripe for an Al-Qaida takeover.

Ah... no. Al Qaida isnt that big of an organization... the Paki's have their own brand of crazy.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #109 on: May 09, 2011, 11:30:23 am »
The Lefty tweak of the day...


LOL

What a joke... what poilcies is that? where did they find bin laden? Iraq?

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #110 on: May 09, 2011, 01:35:59 pm »
Detainees held in CIA "black sites" and at Gitmo gave up the initial pieces information used in tracking down OBL's courier.   Obama campaigned on closing those "black sites" (which he has) and Gitmo (which he hasn't).

Seems pretty obvious to me.

For me, the only part that's debatable is if the EITs used on KSM and others also played a role.  I don't think that question can ever be answered 100% either way.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #111 on: May 09, 2011, 01:38:36 pm »

What a joke... what poilcies is that? where did they find bin laden? Iraq?

I'll bet it will soon be common knowledge that Afghanistan was started by President Obama.
You've already said interrogations at Guantanamo had nothing to do with finding Bin Laden.
Apparently, it was all Empty Suit's mystical powers.

In other news, Empty Suit hasn't deviated one inch from Bush policy in Iraq, escalated Afghanistan
and entered us into an action in Libya despite the fact there was exactly zero threat to the U.S. from that country.
All of this from the candidate that ran as the anti-Bush. Mr. Nobel Peace Prize.




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« Reply #112 on: May 09, 2011, 01:39:02 pm »
That is some outstanding spin there. Let me give it a try.

The massive drone campaign over the last 18 months tracked down bin laden... having a president that made a campaign promise to go after bin laden and get him came thru, vs one set on fighting daddies wars in Iraq!

May i ask what these initial pieces of information were? or where you got that news? i havent had a chance to catch up all the news from the last 12 odd days.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #113 on: May 09, 2011, 01:41:16 pm »

What a joke... what poilcies is that? where did they find bin laden? Iraq?

I'll bet it will soon be common knowledge that Afghanistan was started by President Obama.
You've already said interrogations at Guantanamo had nothing to do with finding Bin Laden.
Apparently, it was all Empty Suit's mystical powers.

In other news, Empty Suit hasn't deviated one inch from Bush policy in Iraq, escalated Afghanistan
and entered us into an action in Libya despite the fact there was exactly zero threat to the U.S. from that country.
All of this from the candidate that ran as the anti-Bush. Mr. Nobel Peace Prize.

Going into Libya was the right thing to do... it was either that or watck about 500K people be slaughtered. Funny how the right can defend Iraq to this day when there was no reason what so ever to go into that mess.

Obama inherited both the messes in Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps if bush had done the right thing in Afghanistan to begin with instead of diverting resources to Iraq we'd have been done with it by now.

All hail Bush the doer of no wrong.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #114 on: May 09, 2011, 01:42:01 pm »
That doesnt even bring up the fact that Bush started a war in Iraq with ZERO exit strategy...

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #115 on: May 09, 2011, 01:43:13 pm »
That doesnt even bring up the fact that Bush started a war in Iraq with ZERO exit strategy...

Actually, I believe Empty Suit is adhering to GWB's exit strategy.

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« Reply #116 on: May 09, 2011, 01:43:59 pm »
Which is? none...

Hes forced to stay the course since we have no other choice... cant just pull up and leave now.

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« Reply #117 on: May 09, 2011, 01:51:47 pm »
Going into Libya was the right thing to do... it was either that or watch about 500K people be slaughtered. Funny how the right can defend Iraq to this day when there was no reason what so ever to go into that mess.

No, it wasn't. Unless of course you are saying that GWB going into Iraq was the wrong thing to do because you think we should have gone in when he attacked the Kurds back in the day. How about Sudan? Niger? How do we decide which people shouldn't be slaughtered?

At the time of the Iraq invasion, everyone, including Clinton, Kerry, Harkin and all of the heroes of the left believed Saddam had or was trying to build WMD. Unless you're saying that wouldn't be a threat to us, I'd say it's significantly different than National Buffoon's Libyan vacation.


Obama inherited both the messes in Afghanistan and Iraq. Perhaps if bush had done the right thing in Afghanistan to begin with instead of diverting resources to Iraq we'd have been done with it by now.

All hail Bush the doer of no wrong.

By the time Empty Suit took office, the Iraq surge had done its work. A surge Empty Suit said was the wrong decision in a war Empty Suit said was lost. All he's done since is follow GWB's script. I suppose we should forget that and just chalk up Iraq as an Empty Suit victory though.

GWB did plenty wrong. And there's the difference. The right can say that. The left wants a halo around Empty Suit's head.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #118 on: May 09, 2011, 01:56:31 pm »
Which is? none...

Hes forced to stay the course since we have no other choice... cant just pull up and leave now.

You really need to brush up on your reading. Before Bush left office he had an agreement (SOFA) with Iraq that U.S. forces would withdraw at the end of 2011. An agreement Empty Suit is honoring.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/22/world/africa/22iht-troops.4.15557880.html

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« Reply #119 on: May 09, 2011, 02:07:01 pm »
GWB did plenty wrong. And there's the difference. The right can say that. The left wants a halo around Empty Suit's head.

No way Jose. I think we are stuck in Afghanistan too, much like the Russians were.

If killing Bin Laden is the beginning of the end of Afghanistan, it wont work. Obama cant just say that our goals for Afghanistan are complete and pull all the troops out.

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« Reply #120 on: May 09, 2011, 02:16:30 pm »
No, it wasn't. Unless of course you are saying that GWB going into Iraq was the wrong thing to do because you think we should have gone in when he attacked the Kurds back in the day. How about Sudan? Niger? How do we decide which people shouldn't be slaughtered?

Sure back in the day... way way way back in the day when lord god reagen was incharge. When GWB went it the no fly zone was protecting the kurds just fine.

So in the rights world GWB is awesome for going into iraq but going into Libya was a mistake... what a joke.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #121 on: May 09, 2011, 02:18:13 pm »
vs one set on fighting daddies wars in Iraq!

Hey, that's Fury13's line. It is classic though. That Oliver Stone movie was pretty entertaining actually.

Elsewhere, will someone PLEASE post a negative shot at Herman Cain?

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« Reply #122 on: May 09, 2011, 02:44:11 pm »
If killing Bin Laden is the beginning of the end of Afghanistan, it wont work. Obama cant just say that our goals for Afghanistan are complete and pull all the troops out.

Sure he can.  Our mission in that country was to bring the perpetrators of 9/11 and the government giving them safe haven to justice. We've done that. Time to come home.

Continuing to chase Al Qaeda and/or the Taliban all over that country is not a mission. Al Qaeda is a global operation with cells in many countries. Don't need 100,000 troops in Afghanistan to make country safe. Putting a tiny fraction of that amount on our own southern border would have more positive impact on our national security.

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« Reply #123 on: May 09, 2011, 02:59:30 pm »
So in the rights world GWB is awesome for going into iraq but going into Libya was a mistake... what a joke.

No. In hindsight (it being 20/20), going into Iraq was a mistake. That doesn't change the fact that at the time, there was no way to simply say it was or wasn't the right call. If GWB doesn't go in, and 2 years later Saddam has a nuclear/chemical arsenal at his disposal, would you have said "But that's ok, not acting on the intel was the right move?"

Your justification for Libya isn't that we should learn from history, but rather, that since the GOP President made the wrong call based on intel he had that pointed at a possible threat, we should rejoice and encourage Empty Suit making the wrong call based on no indication whatsoever that Gaddhafi is interested in being a threat.

If during ESOTUS' 16-hour siesta, Bin Laden had left the compound and found his way to a different safe haven, and the mission inside Pakistan ended up a failure, would you have called ESOTUS a f*ck-up, or would you have said he made the right call based on the intel available?

Just curious.

Sorry, I don't play that. That isn't what ESOTUS campaigned on and it's not what he was given a Nobel for.

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Re: The World Today
« Reply #124 on: May 09, 2011, 03:13:45 pm »

May i ask what these initial pieces of information were? or where you got that news? i havent had a chance to catch up all the news from the last 12 odd days.

From the AP...

Shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, detainees in the CIA's secret prison network told interrogators about an important courier with the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti who was close to bin Laden. After the CIA captured al-Qaida's No. 3 leader, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, he confirmed knowing al-Kuwaiti but denied he had anything to do with al-Qaida.

Then in 2004, top al-Qaida operative Hassan Ghul was captured in Iraq. Ghul told the CIA that al-Kuwaiti was a courier, someone crucial to the terrorist organization. In particular, Ghul said, the courier was close to Faraj al-Libi, who replaced Mohammed as al-Qaida's operational commander. It was a key break in the hunt for in bin Laden's personal courier.

"Hassan Ghul was the linchpin," a U.S. official said.

Finally, in May 2005, al-Libi was captured. Under CIA interrogation, al-Libi admitted that when he was promoted to succeed Mohammed, he received the word through a courier. But he made up a name for the courier and denied knowing al-Kuwaiti, a denial that was so adamant and unbelievable that the CIA took it as confirmation that he and Mohammed were protecting the courier. It only reinforced the idea that al-Kuwaiti was very important to al-Qaida.

If they could find the man known as al-Kuwaiti, they'd find bin Laden.

The revelation that intelligence gleaned from the CIA's so-called black sites helped kill bin Laden was seen as vindication for many intelligence officials who have been repeatedly investigated and criticized for their involvement in a program that involved the harshest interrogation methods in U.S. history.

"We got beat up for it, but those efforts led to this great day," said Marty Martin, a retired CIA officer who for years led the hunt for bin Laden.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hzn2dQHiUZBXHeHm6Lv78Uz6SwAA?docId=aaf5f9e12731497d8a3147a0e47899d4




 

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