Author Topic: 2024 White Sox / Sox Management (Read 175502 times)

WshflThinking · « **Reply #400 on:** September 20, 2011, 01:00:49 pm »

He was a Cub fan but owned the board. When WC went under and the board was no longer his then it no longer interested him to come here.

Method · « **Reply #401 on:** September 20, 2011, 01:26:08 pm »

User stats show hes posted here 5 times... he rarely posted on the other board... and the other board was run by Dave23.... JBN and sailor were just admins for us when it started up...

WshflThinking · « **Reply #402 on:** September 20, 2011, 03:06:58 pm »

The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board

JhonJeter0112358 · « **Reply #403 on:** September 20, 2011, 03:36:00 pm »

Baseball Prospectus picked the Sox to go 79-83. That would be pretty cool if they nail it. Gotta good chance too.

Not such a great season for close races, but still might be some excitement for the WC in both leagues. Jeez, there's St. Louis again! Thought their season was over.

josephc · « **Reply #404 on:** September 20, 2011, 04:59:06 pm »

Quote from: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 03:06:58 pm

The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board

Sailorgirl owned the first board.

After the first (or second?) major meltdown, Dave23 started the "backup board" that eventually became the full-time one... I think.

msf · « **Reply #405 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:10:01 pm »

Quote from: JhonJeter0112358 on September 20, 2011, 03:36:00 pm

Baseball Prospectus picked the Sox to go 79-83. That would be pretty cool if they nail it. Gotta good chance too.

Not such a great season for close races, but still might be some excitement for the WC in both leagues. Jeez, there's St. Louis again! Thought their season was over.

What did they predict for Minnesota?

msf · « **Reply #406 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:13:28 pm »

Quote from: BlackSox on September 20, 2011, 11:38:33 am

A very Rogersian look at the Next Sox manager, complete with some wacky suggestions:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/chi-your-morning-phil-guillen-la-russa-red-sox-20110920,0,2632183.story

Way to mess up the managers name Phil, jeesh, Ewing, cripes, you just called him McEwing in the same sentence.

It would not be that much of a stretch for Reinsdorf to ask him to manage for one or two years before turning the team over to Joe McEwing, the Sox’s Triple-A manager and a La Russa favorite from Ewing's playing days in St. Louis.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #407 on:** September 20, 2011, 05:17:14 pm »

For my two cents worth. I wouldnt be surprised if Gardy either quits or was fired. If so thats who I'd go after

dazed63 · « **Reply #408 on:** September 20, 2011, 10:15:46 pm »

I'd take Gardy.

The problem he would find is the Sox system does not teach fundamental baseball.

The base running mistakes alone would give him a heart attack.

Joshpr · « **Reply #409 on:** September 21, 2011, 11:52:36 am »

Quote from: joeconners on September 20, 2011, 04:59:06 pm

Quote from: WshflThinking on September 20, 2011, 03:06:58 pm
The board was owned by Sailergirl JBN's wife so technically he owned and operated the board

Sailorgirl owned the first board.

After the first (or second?) major meltdown, Dave23 started the "backup board" that eventually became the full-time one... I think.

I think sailor found worstcrossing when the cubbune boards changed format and everyone left cause of it and unbearable host George. So they go way back to the cubbune boards. ( I loved shoe's battles with Irv on the cubbune boards)

Sophist · « **Reply #410 on:** September 22, 2011, 11:46:17 am »

Quote from: dazed63 on September 20, 2011, 10:15:46 pm

I'd take Gardy.

The problem he would find is the Sox system does not teach fundamental baseball.

The base running mistakes alone would give him a heart attack.

You would have thought with all of Ozzie's talk about playing the right way that the system would get engineered to respond, and produce players who could play Ozzie's way. But when you develop so few players for actual major league spots on your roster, and Ozzie keeps playing guys like Rios no matter how far his head is up his ass, why should they bother to teach fundamentals.

Maybe a guy like Gardy would come in and say "here's what you need to change with player development to keep me from having a heart attack . . "

Toker · « **Reply #411 on:** September 22, 2011, 12:09:31 pm »

Sure, but would KW listen to Gardenhire, or anyone else?

SoxRule · « **Reply #412 on:** September 22, 2011, 12:51:52 pm »

I think KW would listen to someone he respects, yeah. I don't think he respects(respected) Ozzie. I think, and I'm only guessing here, he didn't like the way Ozzie mouthed off ALL the time, how his kids mouthed off all the time, and how Ozzie always seemed to have this air of entitlement about him. Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.

And I don't think Ozzie respected KW either, possibly for similar reasons. The difference is I don't think Ozzie would really respect any GM with the Sox.

Both really need to go.

boatdrink · « **Reply #413 on:** September 22, 2011, 01:31:12 pm »

Quote from: SoxRule on September 22, 2011, 12:51:52 pm

Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.

Yep. Loyalty to a fault.

JR, KW, OG - all need to go.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #414 on:** September 22, 2011, 01:33:32 pm »

It really wouldnt make me sad if Ozzie goes too, but KW has to go. You already have Hahn ready to step in. I wouldnt wait till Hahn finds another job elsewhere

Method · « **Reply #415 on:** September 22, 2011, 01:59:24 pm »

Quote from: SoxRule on September 22, 2011, 12:51:52 pm

I think KW would listen to someone he respects, yeah. I don't think he respects(respected) Ozzie. I think, and I'm only guessing here, he didn't like the way Ozzie mouthed off ALL the time, how his kids mouthed off all the time, and how Ozzie always seemed to have this air of entitlement about him. Like he could whatever he pleased because he's a Sox icon and JR loves him.

And I don't think Ozzie respected KW either, possibly for similar reasons. The difference is I don't think Ozzie would really respect any GM with the Sox.

Both really need to go.

I dont think KW respects anyone other them himself... hes comes of as being berry barry arrogant... not that ozzie is much different. I'll bet Ozzie will respect a GM that doesnt draft **** talent...

We're talking about getting Gardy here... Twins have been successful because they always have SOMEONE in the minors at every position to step in... this year not so much but years past they've always had that... what do we have at SS? how about 2b? 3b? cf? lf? rf? C? not much... not much at all. and that falls on the GM.

SoxRule · « **Reply #416 on:** September 22, 2011, 03:02:55 pm »

Quote

I'll bet Ozzie will respect a GM that doesnt draft **** talent...

I bet that won't make a difference.

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #417 on:** September 22, 2011, 10:06:11 pm »

Hudson, right now, remains the only young player we've traded who looks to be a bad giveaway. And while he had potential, he certainly hadn't lit up the world with the Sox

How can you forget GIO?

Sophist · « **Reply #418 on:** September 24, 2011, 01:17:31 am »

If you have an aggressive GM who's always trading prospects for guys who can help now, then losing two prospects who turn out great is not so bad. Especially if, to be fair, you acknowledge that Kenny relieved other teams of players like Danks, and Floyd, and even Quentin.

That said, he probably feels so free to trade all his prospects because he's go devalued the system.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #419 on:** September 24, 2011, 08:44:29 am »

If you have an aggressive GM who's always trading prospects for guys who can help now, then losing two prospects who turn out great is not so bad. Especially if, to be fair, you acknowledge that Kenny relieved other teams of players like Danks, and Floyd, and even Quentin.

What have we won with them? We havent been to the post season in the last 3 years.

BlackSox · « **Reply #420 on:** September 27, 2011, 04:56:42 pm »

Coop & Baines got re-upped. The rest -- adios amigos!

WshflThinking · « **Reply #421 on:** September 27, 2011, 05:19:52 pm »

Then it looks like the new manager will be from in house, not outside the organization. A new manager would want his own people

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #422 on:** September 27, 2011, 05:39:10 pm »

Quote from: WshflThinking on September 27, 2011, 05:19:52 pm

Then it looks like the new manager will be from in house, not outside the organization. A new manager would want his own people

A new manager rarely gets to name all his own coaches.

Usually a GM picks at least one coach that he knows and trusts to report any 'problems' back to him. For example, Don Cooper, was a KW pick, not a Ozzie hire. Even well established managers rarely get to name all their own coaches as Larry Rothschild was a Jim Hendry hire/loyalist and not chosen by Cubs manger Lou Pinella as the pitching coach.

In the vast majority of MLB clubhouses, at least one coach is or was considered a 'spy' for the GM when he was first hired.

4nek8 · « **Reply #423 on:** September 27, 2011, 05:44:53 pm »

Good call on those coaches. Those are the only two worth anything.

Sophist · « **Reply #424 on:** September 27, 2011, 06:23:32 pm »

are you sure its the actual Baines and not the Baines statue that got retained?