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boatdrink · « **Reply #350 on:** August 27, 2011, 11:11:58 pm »

I think it's time for any season tag lines to go away. They're almost never accurate and always lame. You listening, Brooks?

BlackSox · « **Reply #351 on:** August 28, 2011, 04:40:28 pm »

It's foolish to market "winning"... something beyond their control. They should market things they can deliver on, like "fun" and 'entertainment".

Oh, wait...

JhonJeter0112358 · « **Reply #352 on:** August 29, 2011, 09:28:44 am »

FOOD! We have it! It's not bad!

Fury · « **Reply #353 on:** August 30, 2011, 05:31:57 am »

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AkcIPAAHCHItjdg6al95pEMRvLYF?slug=ys-accuscore_mlb_playoff_projections_082911

We still have almost a 5 percent chance. C'mon, folks.

ISF · « **Reply #354 on:** August 30, 2011, 09:01:39 am »

Quote from: Fury on August 30, 2011, 05:31:57 am

We still have almost a 5 percent chance.

Winner.

"White Sox Baseball: We have a 5% chance"

BlackSox · « **Reply #355 on:** August 30, 2011, 09:11:48 am »

There’s growing suspicion the curtain is about to close on either manager Ozzie Guillen or general manager Ken Williams — or maybe both.

A major-league source told the Sun-Times that the fragile relationship between Guillen and Williams is now beyond repair.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7354760-419/ozzie-guillen-sounds-off-on-season-ken-williams-marlins.html

Fury · « **Reply #356 on:** August 30, 2011, 10:29:40 am »

Quote from: BlackSox on August 30, 2011, 09:11:48 am

There’s growing suspicion the curtain is about to close on either manager Ozzie Guillen or general manager Ken Williams — or maybe both.

A major-league source told the Sun-Times that the fragile relationship between Guillen and Williams is now beyond repair.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/7354760-419/ozzie-guillen-sounds-off-on-season-ken-williams-marlins.html

I still think Ozzie is a decent manager and I think he'll win another ring, somewhere.

That said, I wouldn't have a big problem with both Kenny and Ozzie being gone.

But if only one of them is ousted, I hope it's Kenny.

josephc · « **Reply #357 on:** August 30, 2011, 10:38:32 am »

...so if Ozzie gets traded to the Marlins, who could we expect to get in return?

Method · « **Reply #358 on:** August 30, 2011, 11:02:01 am »

I hope that its kenny that gets to the unemployment line and not ozzie.

BlackSox · « **Reply #359 on:** August 30, 2011, 11:51:03 am »

If only one goes, I too wish it were Kenny. Lately I've been thinking I wouldn;t miss Ozzie too much, but I fear for who they would hire in his stead.

Method · « **Reply #360 on:** August 30, 2011, 12:10:28 pm »

Greg Walker.

PeteWard · « **Reply #361 on:** September 10, 2011, 04:50:14 pm »

Peavy shut down for the year.

Guess we are officially "All Out!"

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #362 on:** September 10, 2011, 07:08:03 pm »

Quote from: joeconners on August 30, 2011, 10:38:32 am

...so if Ozzie gets traded to the Marlins, who could we expect to get in return?

I'd be sad to see Ozzie go, but an Ozzie Guillen & Carlos Quentin trade to the Marlins for Mike Stanton would help me quickly get over it. However, I don't think the Marlins want Ozzie that bad that they would make the trade.

Realistically, if Ozzie has to go, I'd settle with left-handed outfielder Logan Morrison for Ozzie. Straight up. No Quentin included in the deal. I'd trade Quentin elsewhere this off-season to help reduce the payroll as I'm expecting him to receive around $7.5M from arbitration in the off-season. Morrison is a younger, left-handed version of Quentin who would provide power if Dunn doesn't bounce back next season. BTW, Logan Morrison is the player the Marlins sent down to the minors last month not because of his performance but because they didn't like his 'tweets' on twitter.

Mike Stanton's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/stantmi03.shtml

Logan Morrison's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/morrilo01.shtml

Carlos Quentin's stats: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/q/quentca01.shtml

Method · « **Reply #363 on:** September 10, 2011, 11:06:38 pm »

First and foremost, managers are not like players... Ozzie can flat out refuse the trade.

The idea that they would give up even Neifi Perez for a manager thats on the bubble at his current job is fantasy at best.

WshflThinking · « **Reply #364 on:** September 11, 2011, 06:50:19 am »

Why would he refuse the trade? He doesnt want to enter the last year of his contract. Why would he hurt JR by not agreeing to the deal? He has been legislating ro go to the Marlins, like its his long lost love he wants to recapture. He likes the punch and judy style NL ball.

ISF · « **Reply #365 on:** September 12, 2011, 03:09:53 pm »

Rosenthal has a source familiar with the thinking of Ozzie Guillen who has recently dropped his predicted chances of the manager returning to 50-50.

Not surprising. He still continues to chirp about "having to play" Dunn. GM and Manager need to be on the same page. It's clear Ozzie and KW are not.
Time for a change, and Ozzie needs to go first. He can take Walker with him.

If Dunn sucks next year and team continues to underachieve, KW goes and Hahn takes over GM duties.

Method · « **Reply #366 on:** September 12, 2011, 04:34:15 pm »

IF ozzie goes... KW better be right there with him, Ozzie isnt doing the one running the farm system and the ML team into the ground with bone head moves.

ISF · « **Reply #367 on:** September 12, 2011, 04:59:37 pm »

Quote from: Method on September 12, 2011, 04:34:15 pm

IF ozzie goes... KW better be right there with him, Ozzie isnt doing the one running the farm system and the ML team into the ground with bone head moves.

I get that our depth sucks down there. But we're running a lineup onto the field right now that includes Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo and Alexei Ramirez.

The rotation includes John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Zach Stewart, with Sergio Santos and Chris Sale in the bullpen.

That is alot of young, homegrown talent that started in our farm system, be it FA from Cuba, trades or draft.

Hudson, right now, remains the only young player we've traded who looks to be a bad giveaway. And while he had potential, he certainly hadn't lit up the world with the Sox. His resume to that point included 28 Ks to 20 BBs and an ERA near 5. Jake Peavy without the control.

The Rios and Dunn FA contracts are albatrosses at this point. Still think Dunn 2011 mirrors Swisher 2008. Fluke bad year.

Method · « **Reply #368 on:** September 12, 2011, 07:23:26 pm »

We gave hudson all of 10 starts before trading him away.

KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.

The list of Craptastic moves made by KW is very very long and they some have been very very expensive.

Ozzie isnt costing the team millions upon millions and still running one of the worst farm teams around and a ML roster riddled with lousy contracts.

SoxRule · « **Reply #369 on:** September 12, 2011, 07:56:51 pm »

But Ozzie has been working on a team with a large payroll and KW has given him a team built to compete. The fact that some of these guys come here and completely fall apart is telling. And that is on the coaching staff.

Sophist · « **Reply #370 on:** September 13, 2011, 01:05:33 am »

Quote

I get that our depth sucks down there. But we're running a lineup onto the field right now that includes Gordon Beckham, Brent Morel, Tyler Flowers, Dayan Viciedo and Alexei Ramirez.

The rotation includes John Danks, Gavin Floyd and Zach Stewart, with Sergio Santos and Chris Sale in the bullpen.

That is alot of young, homegrown talent that started in our farm system, be it FA from Cuba, trades or draft.

Well . . . of 10 guys, only 4 actually started in the Sox' farm system. And of the other six, only two have spent significant time in the farm system, and by "significant," I mean one year of pitching (Santos). That doesn't sound like homegrown talent: it's mostly the Coop effect.

Beckham spent one year in the system, and it's looking like maybe they screwed up on him and should have kept him down longer. If Morel's OPS stays over .600 for the rest of the year, I'll count him as a success. Sale may be really good, but he barely got a cup of coffee in our system: a great draft pick: yes. but not a testimony to player development. Viciedo: yes. Flowers, though obtained through trade, has spent significant time in the Sox' system.

All-in-all, this is really really bad. And I think Ozzie should go, and Kenny should stay, but my biggest complaint against Williams is that he mainly uses the draft and the minor league system as trade fodder. It's great that he tends to get better value in return for his trades, but it's his deliberate negligence of player drafting and development that puts our player development in the same league as the Cubs.'

WshflThinking · « **Reply #371 on:** September 13, 2011, 07:54:57 am »

All-in-all, this is really really bad. And I think Ozzie should go, and Kenny should stay,

Right so he can trade all our young players and draft picks for more Rios and Peavey type players. Uh, no thanks, hes gotta go. If that pompus POS stays this team will blow.

dazed63 · « **Reply #372 on:** September 13, 2011, 11:08:42 am »

Kenny is always in "win now" mode.

That has gotten him one WS and one other playoff win.

josephc · « **Reply #373 on:** September 13, 2011, 12:06:55 pm »

http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/9/13/2422125/its-greg-walker-time-for-the-last-time

Basically a quick summary of why Greg Walker should be canned.

4nek8 · « **Reply #374 on:** September 13, 2011, 12:50:00 pm »

KW also traded for the amazing Juan Pierre.

I will not sit here idly and have Juan Pierre's name sullied. What's the knock on this trade? He cost the Sox a few games with some careless errors early on and he's apparently lost a step in his baserunning. Even so, the guy has hit .280, stole 90 bases, and played a decent LF in his two years here. Plus he gives %110 percent in everything he does.

And as skeptical as I was about him after listening to Jeter and his Cubfan buddies, he's been a positive to this franchise.