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msf · « **Reply #1725 on:** May 30, 2014, 11:11:12 pm »

Quote from: Method on May 30, 2014, 07:43:53 pm

We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.

You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell

How could I forget him, Mitchell is the worst of all the bad picks we have make lately.

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #1726 on:** May 30, 2014, 11:33:35 pm »

Quote from: msf on May 30, 2014, 11:11:12 pm

Quote from: Method on May 30, 2014, 07:43:53 pm
We've had an obsession with 2 sport stars as draftees for a long long time now... perhaps we get lucky and KW moves onto new ventures in life and we can get a new philosophy on hitters to draft.

You left out my favorite 1st round pick in recent years... Jared Mitchell

How could I forget him, Mitchell is the worst of all the bad picks we have make lately.

That pick of Mitchell really hurt.

It was really important to "draft someone who reminds you of a young Kenny Williams" and pass on a kid who, so far, has turned out to be "the next Mickey Mantle".

BlackSox · « **Reply #1727 on:** June 01, 2014, 07:05:32 pm »

They may have missed (badly) on Mitchell, but they sure hit gold with Sale.

msf · « **Reply #1728 on:** June 02, 2014, 07:42:08 am »

You got that right.

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #1729 on:** June 25, 2014, 03:35:34 pm »

Closing Time: The last days of Belisario

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/closing-time--the-last-days-of-belisario-162340788.html

SoxRule · « **Reply #1730 on:** June 25, 2014, 04:27:28 pm »

From that article:

Last year's Chicago closer is no bargain, either. When it comes to the carnival experience, Addison Reed is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Sure, he's converted 17-of-20 save chances, if you want to frame it that way. But he's also carrying a 4.18 ERA, he's allowed eight homers in 32.1 innings, and he's been scored upon in 15 of 33 appearances. Nothing is ever easy with this guy.

Reed's third blown save came Tuesday against Cleveland, though the Snakes eventually won the crazy game in extra innings. Reed generally is around the plate, but two walks hurt him in this meltdown. Arizona doesn't have immediate incentive to push Reed out of the ninth, but keep in mind the closer did have a tired arm not long ago. Brad Ziegler, stay fresh.

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #1731 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:23:14 pm »

Quote from: SoxRule on June 25, 2014, 04:27:28 pm

From that article:

Last year's Chicago closer is no bargain, either. When it comes to the carnival experience, Addison Reed is Mr. Toad's Wild Ride. Sure, he's converted 17-of-20 save chances, if you want to frame it that way. But he's also carrying a 4.18 ERA, he's allowed eight homers in 32.1 innings, and he's been scored upon in 15 of 33 appearances. Nothing is ever easy with this guy.

Reed's third blown save came Tuesday against Cleveland, though the Snakes eventually won the crazy game in extra innings. Reed generally is around the plate, but two walks hurt him in this meltdown. Arizona doesn't have immediate incentive to push Reed out of the ninth, but keep in mind the closer did have a tired arm not long ago. Brad Ziegler, stay fresh.

Addison Reed is no Mariano Rivera but I think we all would agree that the White Sox would be better off having Reed as their closer than have Matt Davidson suck at Charlotte.

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #1732 on:** June 25, 2014, 06:26:03 pm »

In case Loveland missed it .....

....also from that article:

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• We'll close up shop in reverse fashion, double back to a starting pitcher who's a little under the radar. Jose Quintana was superb over seven crisp innings (6 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 8 K), scoring his first win in a month. The 3.69 ERA and 1.32 WHIP might not look like much to you, though some of the advanced metrics are in his corner (3.08 FIP). He's also nudged his ground-ball and strikeout rates up slightly.

It's a shame the schedule won't play nicer: he's at Toronto this weekend (nope), then up against Felix Hernandez (on paper anyway) the next turn. Just remember we had this talk: I still think Quintana's pitching better than his surface stats, and I expect he'll help us at some point later this summer.

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #1733 on:** June 25, 2014, 08:17:05 pm »

Andy, I'd rather have the hope of Davidson turning it around than to have a closer that maybe blows just a few less games than our current closers). Didn't that article say they Reed has given up runs in half of his games? Reed will also become too expensive once we get good again.

ISF · « **Reply #1734 on:** June 26, 2014, 09:27:35 am »

Hindsight is 20-20. I didn't like parting with a young closer, but we were getting a highly thought of 3B prospect in return. Given the inconsistency of bullpen arms in general, you do that move every time and take the risk. I really thought Jones or Lindstrom would step into the closer role and do fine.

ISF · « **Reply #1735 on:** June 26, 2014, 09:31:20 am »

Downs DFA'ed:

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/06/white-sox-designate-scott-downs.html

aka Loveland · « **Reply #1736 on:** June 29, 2014, 04:55:07 pm »

I never said Q doesn't pitch well or have a good ERA. I said the team loses more games than it wins when he pitches, and he often pitches just poor enough to lose. No clue why, just one of those things. You can post all the little articles you want my opinion won't change a line was crossed in the last couple months. Others have crossed the line, sometimes I end up wrong but I am usually right. Remember when we all were told on this forum that Josh Fields would become the next big thing just give it time?

Let it also be noted that I have been harping on the Reed/Davidson trade failure for some time now.

SoxRule · « **Reply #1737 on:** June 30, 2014, 08:30:13 am »

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 9h
Best pitcher for a Chicago team in '14: Jose Quintana, according to WAR on @fangraphs. Ahead of Samardzija, Hammel, Sale (had DL time).

Jose Quintana could become Doug Fister circa 2011: Very little trade hype, then he gets traded and helps a team win its division.

Can't see the team trading Quintana. If Rodon is as good as advertising we could have a really nice 1-2-3 next year.

msf · « **Reply #1738 on:** June 30, 2014, 09:32:03 am »

Yeah, we do need to hang onto him. He is consistently decent, even if the team manages to win less than half his starts. I also think he will keep improving.

ISF · « **Reply #1739 on:** June 30, 2014, 10:53:31 am »

The team loses more games than it wins in general. Last year we were horrible and Quintana was 9-7. Would that everyone else in the rotation had won as often.

Holding Quintana to a higher standard just because he receives less run support is a bogus way of judging talent.
If Sale got Quintana's run support he'd be under .500 too.

SoxRule · « **Reply #1740 on:** June 30, 2014, 11:43:23 am »

The Cubs don't win when Samardzija pitches either even though he's pitched pretty well. And Theo is supposedly asking for a huge haul for him.

aka Loveland · « **Reply #1741 on:** June 30, 2014, 02:29:53 pm »

Why bother keeping a W-L record for pitchers at all then if the only thing that matters is ERA? Tell Mr. Ryan that his 300+ wins are nice and all but not that important and a bit over-rated. (The actual number over 300 hardly matters so I am not going to look it up.)

What about the quality in a player who holds the opposition to 1 run when his team scores 2, and manages to do it over and over again. Isn't that what W-L tracks besides just run support?

ISF · « **Reply #1742 on:** June 30, 2014, 07:36:03 pm »

Apples and oranges. Ryan played when no one knew what a pitch count was. I bet Quintana would have more wins if he had been left in instead of being pulled for Ronald Belisario and crew. You do not get to dismiss the fact that you have already said that it doesn't matter to you that the bullpen has blown a bunch of his games, it's his fault he leaves tied or with the lead and the bullpen blows it.

http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/today039s-game-2011-(1)-22/?message=23876

http://sox.createaforum.com/general-discussion/today039s-game-2011-(1)-22/?message=23877

aka Loveland · « **Reply #1743 on:** June 30, 2014, 08:26:22 pm »

I did not click on those links, nor will I. I hope you enjoyed the stroll down memory lane though.

I will, however, paraphrase what I have said in the past. For some unknown and unquantified reason this team very often loses games when Q starts. Personally I am tired of it, let him pitch just good enough to lose elsewhere.

Juan pizzarro · « **Reply #1744 on:** June 30, 2014, 11:13:20 pm »

Love, your arguments are baseless and you refuse to see them.

Q was 9-7 last year on a team that won 63 games. This year he is 5-7 on a team close to that same winning percentage. Then you blame him for what happens after he leaves the game if the bullpen blows it.

ISF · « **Reply #1745 on:** July 01, 2014, 06:53:59 am »

Exactly.

aka Loveland · « **Reply #1746 on:** July 01, 2014, 09:07:59 am »

Right, now you get it I didn't lay out a statistical defense of my whipping boy. I simply said that the team loses games when he pitches and I am tired is it. I don't have to offer a statistical defense for why I don't like him anymore.

My favorite player ever is Chet Lemon. Hardly the greatest of all time but my favorite. I don't have to offer a statistical defense for that either.

BlackSox · « **Reply #1747 on:** July 01, 2014, 09:59:19 pm »

While I don't agree with Loveland's assessment of Quintana, I enjoy her lambasting of "the other Q". "You go girl", as they say.

ISF · « **Reply #1748 on:** July 02, 2014, 10:27:38 am »

The White Sox have released righty Mitchell Boggs from Triple-A, reports Dan Hayes of CSNChicago.com (via Twitter). The move will clear space for the addition of fellow reliever Henry Rodriguez, who signed a minor league deal recently, as Scott Merkin of MLB.com reported on Twitter. Boggs struggled to a 9.50 ERA in 36 innings with the Sox’ top affiliate this year, while Rodriguez was utterly unable to throw strikes consistently during his tenure with the Marlins.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/07/phillies-outright-sean-osullivan.html

AndyMacFAIL · « **Reply #1749 on:** July 02, 2014, 02:26:26 pm »

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while Rodriguez was utterly unable to throw strikes consistently during his tenure with the Marlins.

Unable to throw strikes? He'll fit right in with this White Sox bullpen.