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Offline joeconners

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #100 on: October 15, 2012, 12:07:23 pm »
Besides... at that point, what's left to argue?

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #101 on: October 15, 2012, 12:30:41 pm »
Argue about which bar they would meet in after the ballgame.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #102 on: October 15, 2012, 02:00:39 pm »
What grounds would he have to argue it on?

Heck - let the managers watch the replay with the umpires.

Have you seen the reversed home run calls get argued for 3 minutes (or longer)? It's reviewed, reversed, and that's it.

Sorry Joe, but Loveland has a point. Using football's replay as an example,
ask Coach Shaw of Stanford if his RB got in the end zone on the final play of the ND game.
Replay said he didn't.

Replay doesn't automatically kill the controversy. Sometimes, it makes it worse.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #103 on: October 15, 2012, 02:11:15 pm »
What grounds would he have to argue it on?

Heck - let the managers watch the replay with the umpires.

Have you seen the reversed home run calls get argued for 3 minutes (or longer)? It's reviewed, reversed, and that's it.

Sorry Joe, but Loveland has a point. Using football's replay as an example,
ask Coach Shaw of Stanford if his RB got in the end zone on the final play of the ND game.
Replay said he didn't.

Replay doesn't automatically kill the controversy. Sometimes, it makes it worse.

Shoddy excuse... it exists to help get the call right... 99% of the time they get it right on replay...

Not putting it into place just because they MIGHT screw it up twice is... a stretch.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #104 on: October 15, 2012, 02:17:21 pm »
What Method said.

Besides - the Stanford - ND call is a completely separate beast. It was ruled that the play was whistled dead. Once the whistle blows, it doesn't matter what transpires after that. The play is dead.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #105 on: October 15, 2012, 02:22:15 pm »
I'm not making an excuse not to do it. I don't think Loveland was either.
I think we're both simply stating that the idea of replay ending controversy or arguments with the umpire is false.

It won't necessarily speed up games, and depending on how implemented will just extend them.
How many replays does each team get to ask for? If it's up to the umpires, what constitutes a reviewable play?


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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #106 on: October 15, 2012, 06:04:46 pm »
I think that the fans should be able to request that a call be reviewed by throwing sh1t on the field.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #107 on: October 15, 2012, 07:11:24 pm »
Only if they don't have a video screen at the ballpark.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2012, 07:25:57 pm »
Thumbs up or down and someone counts.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2012, 08:02:56 pm »
Thumbs up or down and someone counts.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2012, 10:00:55 pm »
I have been a WSox die hard for 48 years. I will still root hard for them till the end.

But I may be converting to another team, only to deal with the pain Friday night gave me. I think the amount of pain you face following a team increases the loyalty you have towards them. So Cubs loyalty is finally understood.

This from the Trbune


For those of you not following the baseball playoffs, the way the Washington Nationals lost the fifth and deciding game of their division playoff series against the St. Louis Cardinals certainly ranks right up there with the most fan-disappointing defeats in sporting history.
 
The Nats were leading 6-0  after three innings   But the Cards chipped away and, finally, with 4 runs in the top of the 9th, took a 9-7 lead and won the game.
 
Aggravating factors for shell-shocked fans:
 
1. Expectations.  The Nats held the best regular-season record in either league.
 
2. Precedent. TV announcers told us that no team in baseball history playing in a do-or-die game had ever come back from a deficit  greater than 4-0.
 
3. A local history of baseball futility:  Cub fans arguably have it worse -- no World Series victories in more than 100 years. But Washington's various MLB teams have won just one Series, in 1924, and the Senators/Nationals have an even greater tradition of wretchedness.
 
4. Whiplash. This was no slow-motion fade down the stretch, like the 1969 Cubs or the 2012 White Sox, but a roller-coaster plunge from high to low. When the Cardinals had 2 out and just 1 runner on base in the 9th and were still trailing 7-5, history said they had just a 4 percent chance of coming back to win the game.
 
It was so bad that I felt terrible for Nationals fans even though I paid almost no attention to the team all year.
 
Bill Barnwell at Grantland captured the feeling:
 
There were five different two-strike pitches in the ninth inning, in which the Nationals had a chance to finish the game with a victory.....I'll remember the game-winning hit, though, until the day I die. When Kozma singled through the hole into right, the entire crowd went silent. So silent, in fact, that the screams of celebration from the Cardinals bench were easy to hear in the upper deck. ....I've never heard anything like that in a lifetime of going to games....
 
At the end of the night, I found myself downtown in a bar with my friends. The one Nats fan in our group was more despondent than most, and we led him over to the jukebox to play some appropriate music. Most of his selections didn't last long. "Everybody Hurts" was cut off by the bartender after a minute. "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" faded out somewhere around 90 seconds. What did make through, though, was the Johnny Cash cover of "Hurt." By the time the chorus rolled around, in fact, the half of the bar that was adorned in Nats attire had joined in and turned it into a sardonic, wistful sing-along. 
 
So what other memorable collapses in sports rival this one?

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #111 on: October 17, 2012, 07:53:43 am »
Verlander's "show" in the all-star game has quite possibly cost his team home field advantage in the world series.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #112 on: October 17, 2012, 08:50:31 am »
Who cares... he's basically carried them to the WS. 8-1 to end the regular season. and now 3 dominating starts in the play-offs.

I know MSF will disagree... but he is by far the best player on that team... even with miggy on there.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #113 on: October 17, 2012, 08:53:22 am »
99% of the time I take the every day player. But Verlander makes that very, very tough to do. But I will stick with my plan.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #114 on: October 17, 2012, 09:35:38 am »
Who cares... he's basically carried them to the WS.

Woah, settle down. Didn't mean to offend you. I don't disagree in the slightest that Verlander is the best player on that team. Hell, he's one of the very best players in the game. But it is still nice to have home field advantage for any series and I just found it ironic that Detroit could very well have had that if Verlander didn't want to show off.
 
I think they're still very capable of winnig the world series regardless and who knows if the AL would have won the all star game even if Verlander was at his best that day....just pointing out the irony, is all.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #115 on: October 17, 2012, 09:47:02 am »
I think the talk of him showing off is a tad over-stated... he had an off day against an all-star squad.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #116 on: October 17, 2012, 09:48:30 am »
What Method said.

Plus, does home field advantage actually give you anything?

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #117 on: October 17, 2012, 10:22:25 am »
I think the talk of him showing off is a tad over-stated... he had an off day against an all-star squad. 

He stated after the game that he was putting on a show for the fans:

"I was able to laugh at it right away," Verlander said after leaving the game. "Obviously, you don't want to go out like that, but I had fun. That's why I don't try to throw 100 (mph) in the first inning, but this is for the fans. It doesn't usually work out too well for me."

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"I know this game means something and you don't want to give up runs, but we're here for the fans," Verlander said. "I know the fans don't want to see me throw 90 and try to hit the corners."



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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #118 on: October 17, 2012, 10:29:33 am »
Regardless, does home field advantage in the WS even matter?

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #119 on: October 17, 2012, 10:42:54 am »
I think this Tigers team is clicking so well right now that no, it probably does not matter. However, at the time of the all-star game I would say that it did. For most of the season the Tigers were a much better team at home than on the road. Not to mention that it lends to the possibility of extra home games and thus extra revenue for your organization.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #120 on: October 17, 2012, 10:44:28 am »
Regardless, does home field advantage in the WS even matter?

I typically think it does. Especially for dome teams, like the Twins had a serious homefield advantage with the noise they generated in 1987 and 1991.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #121 on: October 17, 2012, 10:52:18 am »
I think this Tigers team is clicking so well right now

A little props to the Sox for that, I'd say.

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #122 on: October 17, 2012, 02:06:27 pm »
Who cares... he's basically carried them to the WS. 8-1 to end the regular season. and now 3 dominating starts in the play-offs.

I know MSF will disagree... but he is by far the best player on that team... even with miggy on there.

Insane.  Cabrera is the MVP of that team.  Best hitter in the game how was at his best in the second half.  Scherzer was every bit as good as Verlander down the stretch as well. 

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #123 on: October 17, 2012, 02:09:08 pm »
I believe Verlander was 8-3 to finish season.  Scherzer 10-2

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Re: MLB Playoffs / World Series - 2012
« Reply #124 on: October 17, 2012, 02:19:31 pm »
Scherzer was good at the end as well... But Verlander did it all year long, and finished very strong, just went 130 pitches yesterday for a win.

Scherzer crumbled at the end of the year with a dead arm... only went 2 innings one start, 4 the one after. so far in the post season hes pitcher 5 innings vs 24 for verlander.

Max did well at the end of the year... but hes not in Verlander's league, might get there in a couple years.

Cant argue that miggy didnt have a great year... i just hink verlander is a better player and the one i'd rather have imbl.


 

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